Crime in Sports - #59 - If OJ Simpson Had A Little Brother - The Explosiveness of Tommy Kane

Episode Date: March 14, 2017

This week, we explore a tragic tale of a love story & life gone terribly wrong. He went from a being hero in his community, to becoming what can only be described as a monster. Like many others, he had trouble adjusting to life, out of the spotlight, but not all the others reacted with a life of madness, cocaine, and eventually murder. It's a roller coaster ride of sorrow, and despair. And jokes!! Become a neighborhood hero, do enough cocaine to kill an elephant, and always carry two knives with Tommy Kane!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We really have. We've spanned just the whole gamut of crazy we've covered. And this was like, people were messaging us going, this is a special crazy here. This is something different. I learned a lot, too. I learned what a rooster is. I didn't know that.

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He had some fucking hilarious things to say. He really did. That guy was crazy. If you haven't listened to Dotsick, I swear, as soon as this is over, you go in and listen to Dotsick because it is insanity. It's insanity. But tonight we have a case. We have a guy tonight. This guy kind of pisses me off, too.

It's not even like he... Let's do a math equation, shall we? I like that. Like I like to do sometimes. He is Carlos Monzon plus Ray Carruth divided by OJ. Oh, my God. And we have not covered OJ. Yeah. But everybody knows what he did.

Yes. And it's odd that we haven't – our first episode we made a promise not to do OJ because it's so much out there. And the messed up part is I know more about OJ's case than all of the cases we've had put together. I have literally watched. I will sit at home with my girlfriend, Sarah Hunt, who's on my partner on PSA. I hate this movie. We will sit there and we will watch the OJ trial on YouTube. There is four hundred ninety two videos because we watched the miniseries and then we watched the documentary that just won the Oscar for best documentary. And then we're like, well, the whole trial's on YouTube.

Let's watch preliminary hearings and find out what all the restaurant workers where Ronald Goldman worked. Let's find out their schedules. I know who's the bar manager in 1994 on Sundays at Mezzaluna in Beverly Hills. I'm not fucking around, guys. That's terrible. But for some reason, yeah, we're still not going to do it though because it's been done to death and we like to do the unknowns a little bit or the guys that are just under the surface a little bit. We're like, I remember that

guy kind of, but I didn't know he killed anybody or I didn't know he was a horrible piece of shit. And then we tell you, your childhood heroes are pieces of shit and then we have a good time with it. So our piece of shit tonight is, and I can call him that freely for what he did. I have no problem at all

doing that. I'll call every one of them. We've covered that because they have done some horrific things that are terrible. Disregard for everybody involved. Oh God, and this is pure narcissism. I love it. That's all it is. It's Thomas Henry Kane, better known as Tommy Kane. Tommy Kane,

NFL player, and we'll get into where he came from and everything about him. He started out on January 14th, 1964 is his date of birth. He's born in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. He's a Canadian guy, not like a French, not a Frenchman. He's a black guy in Canada. Comes from an area where it's a lot of like Trinidad and Trinidadian, whatever you want to say, immigrants.

And yeah, there's a lot of immigrants in the area. It's a good place for them to go. It is. It's a rough area, too, though. We'll get into the area in a minute here. He grows up to be 5'11", 180, so not a huge guy, but insanely athletic. Really? Really athletic.

Amazing jumper, fast. Fast, yeah. Really, really solid. Grows up with his two sisters and his mom. His father leaves home at age three. Really? Father leaves at three, which as we've covered before in this, usually when the father leaves early, it's one of two things.

We can never tell if it's good or bad because they either just leave and have nothing to do with these kids and they grow up without any kind of male role model at all or else they stay and beat the holy shit out of everyone within arm's reach. So I don't know which is worse. We haven't figured that out yet, which is more damaging to these children. Either way, it's all damaging. Both seem to suck. Right.

Put it that way. Both seem to not be great. Neither seem to be a good outcome. No, no. So he lives at home with his two sisters, his mom, Shirley, his sisters. I know one of them's name is Karen, and I could never find out the other one's name. So don't know who she is, but two of them. Anyway, he goes to William Dawson High School, William Dawson Secondary School. It's a high school. As a teen, like I said, he played all,

his dream was to play hockey. That was his dream. He's a ghetto dude wanting to play hockey. From the 60s? He wanted to be like the first guy? He's in Canada. Was there a black hockey player back then? Not too many of them, I wouldn't imagine. I wonder if there was any. As a team, he actually played on the same hockey team with Mario Lemieux. No shit. Which, yeah, if you're not a hockey fan, I'm not even a huge hockey fan, but Mario Lemieux's a legend. The best penguin ever. Absolute legend.

Yeah, he's amazing. I mean, the dispute with Sidney Crosby, now I imagine. I'll take Lemieux still. Give Sidney Crosby Hodgkins and see what he can do out there. Let's throw some Hodgkins on him and see if he can still score like Mario Lemieux did. Lemieux had Hodgkins and was playing with him, didn't even care. So, yeah, he hangs out in the Montreal West End Sports Center. It's kind of like a boys and girls club type of thing would be the best way to describe it.

Or YMCA. The neighborhood kids can go there and not get in trouble and play sports and do that sort of thing. It's under the founder of a guy named Bob White, who is apparently a very controversial figure. I'm not sure, but it's weird. A lot of the guys who found these type of inner city programs for kids, a lot of times they're not the most upstanding people that do it.

They're doing it for the kids and they're giving back to the kids. But to begin with. But it's to wash some money somewhere. Well, no, to get in that position of having anything to give back, they had to do something shitty to do it. So it's a lot of times a controversial thing. Also, too, to get these kids to listen to somebody, you have to be somebody that has respect around there to get a bunch of.

Some street cred. Exactly. So that's what it is. You get a guy with street cred, but he can't. You know, that's the problem. Right. He's still a guy with street cred, but he can't, you know, that's the problem. Right. He's still a guy with street cred, so he's, you know, quote, controversial, but the kids like him. So there he goes.

He's hockey, like I said, his first love. He wanted to be a pro hockey player. He also played football and basketball. Really? When he was in high school, he was actually recruited also for basketball, almost played at Syracuse for basketball. Wow. Yeah. Jim Boeheim recruited him, the famous

coach Jim Boeheim, a silver-haired, middle-aged white man of the highest order. They had, what's his name, Dwayne Washington, Dwayne the Pro Washington who played for the Nets. I believe that's his name. They had him at the time. They recruited him and they said they really didn't need both.

They lost interest in Tommy. They ditched Tommy, but they also turned Tommy onto the football coach, Dick McPherson, and said he's a hell of an athlete. You might want to look at him, and so that's how this came all about. He grows up in Montreal, and you would think Montreal, it's Canadian. Canadian, sorry, everybody, but if you're Canadian, you have to understand how the rest of the world looks at you. If you're Canadian, you have to understand how the rest of the world looks at you. You're basically like a front yard with a snowman in it and a friendly woman giving out hot chocolate.

That's the world's image of you. With an incredibly handsome leader, by the way. Good job on that. Good job. You guys did a great job with that guy, and he seems to be like a very good leader. So congratulations. Well, his dad was prime minister also. Really? Yeah.

Why do you know that? I don't know fuck about that. I read too much. I just saw that asshole get off a plane to meet our dickface. And I was like, that's a fucking world leader finally? This isn't political. Anybody who would be in there would be like, that dickface we got. It doesn't matter for Jimmy.

The last president's a dickface too. They're all dickfaces. My point is, this guy gets off a plane and i'm like that's a goddamn leader are you shitting me he looks like he walked off the cover of us weekly he's like they're kennedy basically unbelievable yeah so but we just look at you guys as like nice and we don't picture you having bad neighborhoods you guys are great we don't even picture we know there's bad neighborhoods i know this for a fact we've read a ton and we've done stories of people from Canada, but to us

it's you all grow up like Brian Spencer. Episode 43. You all grow up in a cabin with your own ice rink outside. Dad building a Zamboni. You know, you run your house on kerosene and you shoot moose from the window for dinner. That's literally what Brian Spencer said he did. That's how we picture Canada

even as wrong as that is. I get all my knowledge about Canada from this podcast. That's terrific. I think I do, too. He grows up, like I said, Montreal in the little Burgundy neighborhood, which, again, you wouldn't imagine that would be

a rough neighborhood named after a wine region in France. You know what I mean? Or a soft, lovely color. Yeah, you don't imagine, though, any, because it's French Canada here. You heard about those gangsters over there on the turquoise block, right? Yeah, but you just don't expect it from a region of France. That's going to be tough.

You know what I mean? It's just... The guys from the Champagne district. Where's the Berblanc gang? We don't want to get them in here. That'll be rough. The Champagne district. The Champagne district. I like the Berblanc gang? We don't want to get them in here. That'll be rough. The Champagne District. The Champagne District.

I like that the best. It's a district. It's not a neighborhood. They are fucking rough and tumble fellas. Just popping corks at you. Yeah. So it's a rough neighborhood, like we said. Do it with a knife, too.

They fucking pow. Shoots right off. Yeah, like a- They're not assaulting you with a knife. They're assaulting you with the cork. No, they do it when like- What are they called? A really nice waiter fucking pours a bunch of it down a pyramid of fucking wine glasses.

You always see that with like, you know, like crazy Armenian people partying. Like they're like, ah, and they cut the thing off. Everybody. Like from Armenia. Everybody. Everything's gold and leopard print. They have like a cintar cutting off the top of a fucking champagne bottle. Ridiculous. Like a fat guy pouring it on scantily clad women.

Hilarious. Armenians, I feel like they looked at like real Armenians. And even ones here, because I know some. I feel like they looked at rap videos from the 90s and said that we will do that someday. And they've just kept that goal and that's what they're doing now. Including the Kardashians. That's what I mean.

They're Armenian too. They kept the same shit. Same shit, man. Put our big asses on the screen. Do it. Rub your titties on the glass. Yeah. He said he stopped playing hockey

because he said it was of racism, he said. Well, I would assume that. I'm thinking that. In the 70s and early 80s in canada there might not be a lot of black kids from the burgundy burgundy neighborhood running around on skates so that might have been a thing i'm not sure if we're just neighborhoods it's that shit seems to cost a lot of money the equipment for it does i guess if you're really good someone will help you and he's super athletic so they were like let's get

this get some skates here you can't just strap pillows to your legs and just go out there and start stopping fucking pucks. It's not like basketball where you can get 10 kids in one ball and you got yourself a game. Everybody chips in two bucks and you buy a ball. No, it's not like that at all. Or you order a pizza and get a free ball. You know what I mean? Exactly. Stupid NCAA.

Yeah. Not like hockey. Hockey is very expensive. This area, all the kids are hooligans in this area. All of them. Of course. It's just running wild. Tommy does a lot of street crime in this back when he was a kid.

He's a total hoodlum on the streets. Just a hood. Complete criminal. Starts early. Street crime, fights, burglary, car theft, shit like that. This is when he's in – he said this is all before he's out of grammar school. Really? He's getting in trouble with the law. Not even seventh grade and he's in. He said this is all before he's out of grammar school. Really? He's getting in trouble.

Not even seventh grade and he's already a scumbag. Yeah. I'm not sure how far grammar school runs in Canada, but either way, he's young. Right. He's under 14 and he's doing this. He can't serve life without parole as an adult yet. Yeah. And he's already pulling the dumb shit.

Yep. He gets arrested when he's a kid for breaking and entering, gets arrested for burglary, gets arrested for stealing a car. Those are the ones. He's a bad kid, basically. Some people say he's a horrible kid. Even he has a statement about how he was. But there's a friend of his, a guy named Dean Smith, not the longtime North Carolina head coach, not the basketball Hall of Fame head coach Dean Smith.

Dean Smith sounds like he's from an island of some kind. He's a big, giant, black guy that grew up with him and played some football with him growing up. And he's his buddy, and he talks to him right till the end and everything. We're going to hear a lot from him because he's got some insight on Tommy. All right. He says, quote, there's guys in the neighborhood that did as much as him or more than him that went to prison. He wasn't on that level, but he'd get in fights with guys on the street and steal here and there and that sort of thing. So he's like, yeah, he was a hoodlum basically.

That's it. He wasn't a master criminal or a murderer. But he got in trouble. He got in trouble. He was a jerk off kid. He's also known as a kid to dabble in a little cocaine here and there. Oh, as a kid. Yeah, as a kid, as a teenager.

Well, he's running around the streets, stealing shit, breaking in, getting arrested. What's the difference? Might as well snort a line or two. We have an In Their Own Words. Oh. Growing up. Ooh, In Their Own Words own words this is early coming early today in their own words on growing up quote sure i was in trouble with the law not regularly but i was in trouble and most of the kids most of the kids i was with then are in jail or coming out of jail they weren't good enough athletes or good enough students it's a vicious cycle they have nothing

to do and no jobs and they end up in jail and come out and go back again. That's just the system. That's how it works. It's a Wu-Tang song. Yeah. I mean, that's what happens and it sucks. It's shitty that when you go to jail

you get out and you have fines now and then you have a fucking... You can't pay those. You don't have a job. So I'm going to sell some blow to get those Life back on track if you never have any money to start out with it's hard to get it's hard to get money It's hard to get footing exactly and if you get caught doing something then good you're all the way back behind behind where you started right behind You're and minus $200. Yes Don't collect it kick your ass $200.

Yes. Exactly. It's not just don't collect it. They kick your ass off of it. You've got to pay it. Rip it out of your hand and say, we're taking Baltic too. Fuck heaven. You're like, shit. And then go earn $200 more and pay that too.

Yeah. It's crazy. We'll be here. We'll be waiting for you. It's a shit system, but I get it. It's just- It's a shit system. It fucks poor people.

It does fuck poor people good. And this is in Canada where they're much better to poor people than they are here. If that's what it's like here, whatever he said, multiply by 10 for the U.S. At least if he got a cold, he could go get fucking Medicare. There you go. He's got that going for him. Yeah. Kids here that don't even have health insurance.

Right. People that don't have health insurance. He can still go get some goddamn antibiotics, a little fucking penicillin, and he can clear it right up, but he's still in the system. I hear one cough and I run away. Somebody asked me to play basketball like two weeks ago and I was like, yeah. And then I thought about it. I was like, actually, no.

If something happens, I break my leg, I'll be in debt for the rest of my fucking life. I don't have health insurance, so no. This podcast is fucked because you can't drive with broken legs. I literally don't do things because I'm scared of being hurt because I don't want to be in debt for the rest of my goddamn life. PageOne.com backslash. There you go. Front slash, by the way. Front slash.

Front slash. So he meets a woman or a girl at this point when he's a teenager. He meets a girl named Tamara Shake. Okay. Tamara is a nice girl. She lives with her family. Her family are from Trinidad. They are super strict.

House is traditional. It's strict. They keep her in line. She's like a nerdy girl you know she's like very good in school she's very studious he's gonna get her to blow him well not now not yet she actually likes tommy when they're and she doesn't usually like the kind of thuggish guys but she likes tommy something about tommy all the women in this documentary said when he was younger all the girls like to Tommy. All right. He was a good-looking guy, a slick guy, great athlete, a lot of confidence.

And in that neighborhood, he was like he's going to go somewhere. Everyone else, they're going to jail. He's actually going to go elsewhere, maybe away from Canada possibly. He's going to make it basically. Because Canada, there's a big thing I noticed in Canada, and I know a few Canadians that talk about this too, like Canadian comics and things like that. If you make it in Canada, it's terrific big thing I noticed in Canada, and I know a few Canadians that talk about this too, like Canadian comics and things like that. If you make it in Canada, it's terrific, and they love it.

But there's something about if you go to the States and make it, you are even huger back there. Like, you've conquered the States. Wow. And fuck the States, and you've conquered them, and you're ours, and that makes you a hometown hero. It really is. And they all, they go here for the money, basically.

I mean, I think that's probably like that around the world, too. Like, if you make it big in our city, what the fuck? But if you make it big in the States, you're a monster. It's weird, yeah. But at the same time, be famous. Who gives a shit? It's pretty nice up there. Yeah.

Yeah, I think about that. Yeah, health coverage. I know a comic who is like a god in Canada, and then in the U.S. he's barely known, and he still fights and bashes around here and tries to tour and do clubs and he does little clubs and he does 3,000 seat theaters in Canada. Wow. It's just ridiculous, but he still wants to be a star here.

He is kind of a star. We'll get past that. Anyway, he meets her just trying to get some Canada background. Like I said, she likes Tommy. She has a boyfriend at the time and, you know, things just kind of – they never get together basically. They kind of see each other. He thinks she's cute. He's the one that got away.

Yeah. Whatever. So anyway, Tommy gets to be – It's a love story. This is sweet. It actually – Right now. It's super sweet in the beginning when you hear what happens.

It's amazing. You're like, yeah, this is nice. Like, hey, look at that. This is great. I feel good for people for a minute actually. You root for them. Yeah, Tommy here. Kid from the middle of nowhere, from a shithole.

It's Romeo and Juliet. Yeah. And now he's being recruited to major colleges. Major U.S. colleges, which is a big deal. He's being recruited for football now in the late 80s, in the mid-80s by Miami. Wow. The Hurricanes. Yeah.

With Jimmy Johnson at the helm, who's won a bunch of Super Bowls and national championships. He's a Hall of Famer. Is he a Hall of Famer yet? I believe he is. He should be if he is. He's got rings all over him. I think he got in this year. I think so, too, or last year or something.

I can't keep track of Jimmy Johnson. He's annoying. His hair sucks. I'm going to have to smack him on that gum. He's a common. He's ever coached, too, which doesn't help, but great coach. He's a common. He's like fucking.

He's very famous. He's like the Bears coach. Ditka. Ditka, yeah, where he can't stop chewing on fucking gum. He can't stop chewing on gum. Get the gum out of your fucking mouth, Johnson. Can't stop yapping. I love when Jimmy Johnson, too.

This is what I love about ex-coaches when they are on. Sidebar for two seconds here on a sports thing. Whenever you're watching a pregame show and they're all giving their predictions. Right. And you're like, you know, Shannon Sharp says something. You're like, whatever, dipshit. And somebody else says something, you know, fucking. Take it easy on my Shannon Sharp.

I like Shannon Sharp, but, you know, Howie Long says something and you're like, whatever, cop hair, fucking. Whatever. Yeah, we got that. And then like Jimmy Johnson's on the show, a coach who studied film and knows everything. And he gives you his prediction. And he's like, look, I watched the film. Their secondary cannot hold this guy.

They're going to run this play. It's no problem. And then that shit doesn't happen at all. And you're like. And then he runs all over him all day long. You're like, how the fuck were you? What happened? What if I bet on that based on that information that sounded so convincing and logical,

and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Well, the good news is he's not a coach anymore, so he can just blurt that shit out, and it doesn't matter. He says it so confidently, though. He's like, well, there's no way the run game can get past these two defensive tackles, so that'll be done, so they can't do that. They can't pass. It's going to be 31-0 now. And you're like, no, that guy ran for 140 yards, and it didn't happen like that.

You're an idiot. That's hilarious. Jimmy Johnson is not in the Hall of Fame. No. Okay. Well, good, because he's an idiot on commentary. Fuck him. Anyway, so they're recruiting him.

Like I said, Miami and Syracuse were big powers, too. Syracuse is kind of down a little now, but they were big in the 80s. That was a powerful program all around in the 80s. Orangeman, right? Yeah, even in the 90s when they had Donovan McNabb come out and basketball. That's right. Donovan McNabb did play there. Derek Coleman came out and basketball that's right donovan mcnab did play there derrick coleman came out in basketball like they had some big stars coming out of uh syracuse back in those days uh so he chooses syracuse over miami what uh yeah

we know from our other podcast we did a town near syracuse it's a dump in syracuse it's freezing it rain it snows feet it's fucking horrible but, I'm thinking, because he likes to go back to the old neighborhood. Ah, he's close by. He likes to see his family. Get back over the border. Go back home for a little bit. Miami's a fucking another six hours away. And you can't get any more different from Canada than Miami.

Yeah. That's way different. Oh, look at you. I like this deduction. Yeah. Syracuse is basically Canada. Canada-lite. It is.

Like, I'm from New York. Anything up there, it might as well be Canada. You can have it. It just snows a lot. Enjoy. Knock yourself out. As long as you let us come up there and fish once in a while. That's what people like to do there.

Let us see those falls and we'll be all right. We're fine. Otherwise, whatever. That's the only reason we're keeping it is the tourism of Niagara. That's it. And we have to split that, too. We're like, you don't have that. They got one side.

We got one side. And they have to split that, too. We're like, you don't have that. They got one side. We got one side. And they have Toronto, which is a really nice city. And we have fucking Buffalo, which is the armpit taint of New York. Or of the whole United States. Sorry, Buffalo. I've been there. That peel-the-paint-off-the-wall fucking accent you guys have. Wow.

Wow. I was in there for, I stayed there for a day when we were shooting a documentary. And I walked through this bar. We were eating. wow i was in there for i stayed there for a day when we were shooting a documentary and i walked through this bar we were eating and i walked through the bathroom and the cacophony of nasally it's like it's the weird it's like if you mix chicago and new york together you get this horrible nasally new york accent with a touch of canadian to it terrific oh god i was my teeth hurt my fillings were rattling it's like biting tin were rattling. It's like biting tinfoil. It was just like biting tinfoil.

I was like, oh, God, I've got to get out of this city. Oh, that's awesome. But I've got to say the people were really cool in Buffalo. They were nice and really fun to hang out with and shit. But, man. Good people talk terrible. Good people. I just wanted to put like a filter, like a voice filter in front of them or come out not in that accent.

Like a pillow? Yeah, here you go. No, what's that? Can't hear you, buddy. Can't hear you. You want to breathe probably there, guy. Yeah, here you go. No, what's that? Can't hear you, buddy. Can't hear you. You want to breathe probably there, guy. Yeah, it's down. Keep trying.

So he goes to Syracuse. He plays there for three years. 85 is his, I guess, freshman year. No stats. He doesn't play. I guess they redshirt him in his first year. So he doesn't play at all in 85. 86, starts getting into the offense a little bit.

All right. Starts getting into it offense a little bit. All right. Starts getting into it. Gets worked into the system. He's nasty on the field. He really is. In 86, he played in all 11 games because back then they would play 11 games in a bowl game pretty much would be the standard. He had 19 receptions for 339 yards, which is good in college for a kid who's playing

his first year in college. 19 receptions, 339 yards? Yeah. That's not bad. That's fantastic. He's not a number one receiver. He's a kid who's playing his first year in college. 19 receptions, 339 yards? Yeah, that's not bad. That's fantastic. He's not a number one receiver. He's a kid. How many yards is that?

That's a lot. That's about 330. That's 17.8 per catch. Yeah, that's great. Three touchdowns. Yeah. So you're pulling your weight. Pulling first downs every time you grab a ball. They're looking at him going, hmm, when he's a junior and senior, that's going to be a

guy we can do something with. He's becoming a bigger star. How many touchdowns? Three. Three? That's great. Not bad.'s a junior and senior, that's going to be a guy we can do something with. He's becoming a bigger star. How many touchdowns? Three. Three. That's great. Not bad. Three out of 19 receptions.

I'll take that. Every six catches, he's in the end zone. That's not too shabby. Now, we have, in their own words here on his early life, this is from a later on in an 87 interview that I found somewhere. God knows how. Wow. This was some digging shit.

interview that I found somewhere. God knows how. Wow, this was some digging shit. Whenever we do stories that take place in other countries, the digging is so much harder to do. Like the Russian shit last week, I can't tell you how hard it was to find things about how a guy

fared in a Norwegian court. It was not easy. Americans love to talk shit about people, too. We do. When it's one of our own, we can't put enough websites up about it. No, we can't. But for God's sakes, our networks and our news don't cover it. No. It's just citizens talking shit about somebody.

Just talking shit. That's why Facebook's so big. Horribly uninformed. Just talking shit with no information whatsoever. Just spewing garbage. Guess what I heard? Now, I will spew a lot of shit, and I'll spew a lot of garbage, but I'll fucking look everything up first.

All my shit is backed up. Let you know who we heard it from. Backs, goddammit. That's right. So we have an in their own words on his early life here, and just his being happy of being out of here. He keeps using the word out and into a better environment, and he's proud of himself, because he should be, goddammit.

He worked hard. The burgundy sounds nice, but God damn it, it's not. Not nice. So we have, in their own words, quote, I grew up in kind of a rough neighborhood. I wanted very much to get out, and I'm very happy I got out. You don't have to be an athlete to get out. Education is a way out, but a very tough way out.

Unless you're an A student in every class, you can't get an academic scholarship. Most all the kids there can't afford to get an education in college without a scholarship. So the only way to get out and get a scholarship to the United States, to a college, is to have all A's or else be an athlete. So he's playing it out.

That's a well-stated thing for a guy that's been arrested so many times. Yeah, but he sees it. He's like, look, man, there's a way out. There's two ways out. I'm not smart enough to do it academically. Or, you know, not many people are. But guess who can catch a ball and three touchdowns?

But I'll do it myself. Yeah, I can do this. So 87 in college. Boy, he has a good year. Great year. Also, by the way, in that interview, he said that he was told that he was good enough to play in the NHL. Which I don't know if that's true or not. Fascinating.

I think it's kind of funny that, A, if it was true, it would be hilarious. It would be weird. And if it wasn't true, then it's kind of funny that he would bring that up just to try to show off, which I think is ridiculous. Just to spout something that sounds great. Yeah. Or that was his original pick, his original sport. So you know he wants to tell people that, listen, this was not my second pick.

This was, yeah. I could have been drafted there, but guess who wanted the education? They were racist, so my skills didn't count, basically. If you can't succeed, blame everybody else. Yeah, which, I mean, he is succeeding, so I guess I don't know if that's a thing. I mean, if you can't succeed at the NHL, blame everybody else and then go another way. And then go succeed here. At 87, though, he has a terrific year.

He's the leading receiver on the team. He still has a record for yards per reception that still held at Syracuse. Yeah, it's like 22 yards a reception or 21-7, I believe. Unbelievable. His jumping ability is, like, renowned. Like, everyone says, Jesus, that guy can jump. He's got a crazy vertical leap. Just a great athlete.

I mean, in college, you can dominate as a receiver if you're just more athletically gifted than the cornerback. If you can just get higher than the cornerback to get the ball, then you're going to succeed. And he's fast, too. 87 is when he has his monster year. Huge. 11 games, 44 receptions, which is for a game, which is really good for college, especially in the 80s. It's good in the NFL. It is.

Well, they didn't throw as much. It wasn't all spread offense in the 80s. There's a lot of teams ran the option a lot with the quarterback. Lots of fullbacks. Yeah. It wasn't the same when people were running wishbones. It was way different. But flea flicker was in.

That was a common play. Yeah. A 44 receptions, 968 yards, 22 yards per reception, which is monstrous. That's enormous. And I realize, by the way, that the flea flicker is a throwing play. I get you. I get you. I know. I looked at it little we'll let it pass uh 14 touchdowns which is huge it's the bleeds the nation really it's all of college football with 14 touchdowns and it's a

syracuse record the nearest guy closest to him is 11 in the syracuse record really yeah and the that record will hold for 29 years. Wow. So big deal. It's 14 touchdowns. It just fell. Yeah, it just fell. It was tied, actually. We'll get into that, too, at the end here. He has a four-touchdown game that year, which in college, you have a four-touchdown game.

That's absurd. Yeah. Don McPherson was the quarterback, and he was a really good quarterback. He came in second in the Heisman voting that year. Yeah, huge. All because of him. He was his main target. All because of Tommy, yep. And you know that because when we get to the draft, you can see who's more important in the draft status. 1987, still in this article, Tommy says that it is his goal to

bring his parents out of poverty, both of them, even though his dad left, doesn't care, and into a better place. That's such a nice thing to do. It is. He says he has two sisters, and he said, quote, one's in school and one's on welfare. They're coming out, too. Wow. So he's saying, I'm bringing them out of this ghetto, too. I'm not fucking around here. I'm taking care of my family.

I'm getting out. I'm going to be a role model. Yeah. And he really feels that way. So far, he's a hero. He is. Former teammate, Deval Glover, we'll hear a bunch from him also. He says, quote, he understood where he came from and that he had to be tough in that environment.

But once he reached college where we met him, he seemed to be polished. So even by the time he got to college, he wasn't even doing his ghetto shit anymore. He was having a straight laced type of thing. This guy reminds me so much of OJ. Yeah. So much of OJ because OJ, if you know OJ's backstory, OJ came from a horrible neighborhood, total ghetto. He was

a thug when he was a kid, got in trouble constantly. Same exact thing. Once he got to college, he said, oh, I'm in a different environment and he adapted to that environment, which is exactly what Tommy's a good adapter. Like a sociopath does. You know exactly where I was going i love it exactly where i was going he's just got to blend in so that he's not seen absolutely wait till you hear wait

till you hear exactly how similar he is to oj it's amazing it's like if oj had a little brother it would be this guy the little brother i never had a little chameleon yeah but he can fit into any environment he can fit in he's in a ghetto environment he'll fit in if he's in a higher education he'll fit into that too he's a soci If he's in a ghetto environment, he'll fit in. If he's in a higher education, he'll fit into that too. He's a sociopath. He's in some environment where there's reporters with microphones

and asking questions. He can deliver a fantastic quote. As we saw, well thought out, true, you know, actual,

he sees the world and he can show that he sees it. He's not a moron. Now, 1987 also, the Miami Hurricanes who were his second choice to go, that was their best year ever. They go 12-0 and win the national championship that year.

So he could have been there. That's Jimmy Johnson coaching. Michael Irvin is one of the receivers. I believe The Rock is on that team. If not, The Rock is there the next year. No, he was there that year, I believe. I believe he was too. So, I mean, that's Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

Very famous people are on that team. It's a huge, huge deal. He probably wouldn't have been the number one receiver, though, with Michael Irvin on the team. No, he wouldn't have been. So, that's that. Syracuse themselves, they have a great year. They go 11-0-1. Wow.

That's terrific. Finished number four in the country. They tied. They tied, and it's sad, too, the way they did it. They went 11-0, and then in the last game, it was the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans versus Auburn. They had a 16-16 tie. Damn it. Which sucks.

And they finish at No. 4 overall. Otherwise, they're No. 2. Otherwise, they would have been No. 2. Yeah, Miami was not going to be No. 1 no matter what. But they would have went in No. 2 instead of Florida State and finished No. 2 that year. Like I said, quarterback Don McPherson is No. 2 in the Heisman voting, thanks to Tommy. Yeah. 1988 comes along.

87 was his last year. He played football for Syracuse. But early 80s, finishing out his college education. He's a very good student, too. Really? That's the other thing. He doesn't just go up there and get Ds, either. He does well. He graduates.

What's his degree in? Marketing. Wow. Not even sports. No, he's got a thought in his head about what he's going to do after this sports nutrition or shit like that like a lot of these guys no not a pe degree he got a goddamn marketing degree he's you think wow he's doing so well how well is this guy doing he came from shit i wouldn't know to put this all on track and put this together like this so far this is great he's doing i'm so proud of this guy right now.

Just like everyone was proud of O.J. at USC. They were like, man, look at that O.J. He came from nowhere. Look at him run, boy. He's going to win the Heisman. I swear he's going to be a naked gun one day. I swear we're going to laugh at him as Nordberg. It's going to happen.

He's going to roll down the street on a creepy crawler underneath a car one day. Man, so we're so proud of him. He's come from nowhere. His dad left when he was three. He wants to get his mom and his sisters out of poverty. He's even going to take care of his dad. He's going to take care of him anyway because, God damn it, that's what he's there for. He's going home, too, in the off season.

And when he has time, he's going home to see his family. He's hanging out with all the kids in the neighborhood, like the little kids to be a role model. Like he shows up, they surround him. You don't have to be an asshole. He's on TV. He's on TV. So they go up to him and he's like, hey, kids, he signs autographs. He's telling me you guys staying in school, you know, get your education.

You know, not everybody can catch passes like that. So you want to get out of here. And he's giving him the same speech he gave to the newspaper. Sure. You got to get an education and that sort of thing. So he's really trying. I'm going to be in the NFL, but guess who also has a marketing degree? Because I'm not a dummy.

I figured out how to get through marketing school and actually learn how to market shit. At a real university. Right. This wasn't like Little Burgundy Community College. He went to Syracuse. This is Syracuse. It's upstate New York, but it's still a goddamn good, decent school. I have an orange and blue helmet.

That's right. They're involved in some shit. So you'd think this is going great. You feel so good for him. Also, too, he's being scouted for the NFL. This is it. It's 88. The NFL draft is at the end of April, and so he's getting ready for that.

Fixing to go to a combine. Fixing to go to the combine. He's getting all ready. He's excited. And then April 13, 1988 happens. And he does some stupid, stupid, indescribably stupid shit. Some burgundy neighborhood behavior. This is beyond the burgundy neighborhood.

This is not Canadian behavior, what he does right here. This is strictly U.S. behavior here. This is so un-Canadian of him. Yes. Tommy has a lot of parking tickets in college. Oh, God. A ton of parking, which he's a college kid, whatever. He's a jerk off.

Kids park, and then they, I don't know, they throw the ticket in the back seat, whatever. So there's a lot kid, whatever. He's a jerk off. Kids park. And then they, I don't know, they throw the ticket in the back seat, whatever. So there's a lot of parking tickets. And apparently there's a bit of an altercation as a female officer named Officer Lisa Phelan was about to have his Cadillac towed. Cadillac. By the way, he comes from nothing and he drives a Cadillac. Now I don't like him. No, no, no. Is there a silver haired middle aged white man in his fucking thing? And I don't like him. No, no, no. Is there a silver-haired, middle-aged white man in his fucking thing?

And I can't fault him for accepting it. No, but we've read all of these guys did. You know, we were reading Dexter Manley, and he was like, I remember the day Elvis died. It was the day I got a new Lincoln. The guy just booster gave me the keys. It was on the radio. Absolutely. Yep.

So he's got a Cadillac, which is not – he's a great receiver. You know the boosters hooked him up. This is the 80s when shit was dirty. Like college sports are dirty now when it comes to that, recruiting violations all through the years. But in the 80s, it was – I mean, Wild West, SMU was getting the death penalty with their programs. They were trying to shut that shit down. But the positive part of this is that if you got a car in the 80s gifted to you, it was a piece of shit. The 80s were the worst.

It was a terrible car. That was the worst 10 years for cars. You thought it was a nice car, but it wasn't. It says Cadillac on it, but it's not those big boat nice ones. No, it's the shitty 80s one. They're terrible. No power. No.

No power. Burgundy interior. You know he got burgundy. You know he did. Red leather. He called it Merlot, though. He got me a Merlot. It was white with Merlot interior. You know it was. You called it Merlot, though. He got me a Merlot. It was white with Merlot interior.

You know it was. You know it. I like it. They're about to tow his Cadillac, which you don't tow a dude from the ghetto's Cadillac. No. He's like, hey, I've got a lot of passes for that. Come back here. 14 touchdowns in one season, to be exact.

Absolutely. So he's pissed. Turns out, by the way, he had 19 outstanding parking tickets. Oh, my God. 19. It was on the city scofflaw list. That's why they were towing the fucking thing, because it was like one of those, if you see this car, tow it. See something, say something on this Cadillac.

This asshole is not paying his ticket. Guaranteed. At some point, not for nothing, but if you get five and you keep chucking them and they don't show up and nobody shows up to fuck with you, you'll get to 19. Maybe you're like John Wayne Gacy. I buried three teenagers under the house. Nobody showed up. No one's here.

Nobody knocked. I don't know. Maybe I'll clear out some room under the patio, I guess. I don't know. I think that's what it is. Same thought process. It stinks in here, but nobody's showed up. It's so weird.

So Kane catches her doing this and goes up and starts an altercation with her. What? Goes up. Why are you doing that? It's a police officer and a female police officer at that. Just let it go. Walk away. You can't win in this situation.

Go get the silver hair middle-aged white man coached and get the shit out of him. Whoever got you the Cadillac, call that guy. Say, it's in the impound. Yeah, I'm going to catch some more passes, so you might want to get that, although he's done catching passes now for that. But anyway, Kane ends up fighting with her. There's a scuffle. Actually, like physically?

Actually wrestling with her. Oh, no. Tussling, where he's trying to get in the car. He doesn't know this is a bad idea? No, he wants to get in the car and drive away, so it's not towed, and she's trying to keep him out of the car. As if a cop would do. He shoves her aside because he's an athlete, about to be

a professional athlete. He shoves her aside and she reaches her hand in to try to grab the keys away from him. He closes the door on her arm so she gets hurt from that. Oh no. She is hanging off the car. He drives. He starts driving with a police officer hanging off the car. What drives. He starts driving with a police officer hanging off the car.

What an idiot. Complete asshole. So stupid. She falls off the car. This isn't going to look good in court. No. First of all, you can't do this to any cop, but then you're like, oh, it was a female officer too. What are you thinking, you asshole? She falls off the car. He drives away. She goes and gets in her

patrol car, obviously. She's not going to let that go, I don't think. She chases him down four blocks until he finally pulls over for her. I don't know if he thought, okay, I'm far enough or I'm not going to get towed now or what. She ain't going to chase me this far. She gets him out of the car gunpoint at that point. She's not fucking around now. She is guns blazing

in his face. Get out of the goddamn car. And she doesn't even go near him because she's afraid he's going to start physically assaulting her. So she keeps him at gunpoint as waiting for backup. So now this guy who was doing so well is now standing there at gunpoint in the middle of the street while some woman tries to. It all just went so wrong. That's wrong. That's terrible, right?

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his thought is that what he's saying i guess i'm yeah he's i'm the white whale and he's kind of like like newman on seinfeld he's out of there he's the white whale, and he's kind of like Newman on Seinfeld. He's out of there. He's the white whale. He's going. So he obviously is charged with second-degree assault on a police officer, which is a big deal. Yeah. Because this is literally 11 days before the NFL draft. Jesus. This is not the news you want coming out of anywhere. Right? But he pleads not guilty.

He's released on $250 bail, which seems low for what he did anyway. So, yeah, he's got all that. Ends up, in the end, what do you anyway. But so, yeah, he's got all that ends up in the end. What do you think he got for this? At least a year. He would imagine a suspended sentence, something community service, community service for evading police and hurting one. Yeah. Police officer, second degree assault on a police officer.

He got community. Unbelievable service. And he didn't even serve it. Fuck no. I got got guaranteed somebody signed off he did not serve shit on that and that just shows you with a college town like this in syracuse the college is the town that's what you can get away with it is the city so and if you're the star there you are the star of the city and that place runs on that they all need each other it's a big they're all sucking each other. They're all sucking off each other. Well, not sucking off each other, but they're siphoning off each other's thing here.

I blame silver-haired, middle-aged white man Dick McPherson, the coach. I feel like he had a say in this. He definitely heard something about this. I feel like he was like, let's fix this for you, Tommy. What do you say? So April 24, 1988 is the NFL draft. 1988 NFL draft. It is at the Marriott Marquis in New York City.

That sounds beautiful. It's nice. And this was before it was a huge deal. It was on TV at this point, but it was on ESPN and nobody watched it, basically. It was on a Saturday morning at 7 o'clock or some shit, which they still did until 10 years ago. Remember that? I remember when Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf, that draft. Yeah.

That shit was at like 7 in the morning. I had to wake up to see who got drafted. I was like, what the hell is going on here? Ridiculous. This was the draft. Some shenanigans happened before you woke up. Yeah. That's ridiculous.

That's silly. So this was the draft where a huge bust goes number one. It's a great draft, too, otherwise. Terrific draft. 87? 88. 88 draft. This is when Andre Bruce goes number one to the Falcons.

Goes number one to Atlanta from Auburn, from the school that they tied in the Sugar Bowl that year. So he goes number one. He's a defensive end, crazy athletic defensive end who just basically doesn't work out at all and ends up being a tight end in the end. Was that Vermeule Falcons? No, that was Jerryerry i don't know who i don't remember who was that jerry glanville came in like 90 i'm not sure who was in the late 80s i cannot remember i can see his face after glanville i don't know vermeil falcons wasn't he with the rams and eagles vermeil was rams eagles i don't know where eagles in the early was in the 80s super bowl

with jaworski losing to the raiders, and then he was the Super Bowl champion. And Reeves was after Glanville. Yes, exactly. He was after the giant Shaquan Reeves. Yeah, it wasn't his fault. Whatever. It was going on with the Giants. Anyway, he's a huge bust, Andre Bruce, the number one guy.

He ends up being a tight end later. He's a mess. You don't want to draft a guy number one overall, and if he switches positions, that means you fucked up. Yeah. He wasn't good at what you were doing. You scouted wrong. You fucked it up bad at that point. A lot of other great players in this draft.

Neil Smith is number two overall, the great Kansas City defensive end. He's dead. Is he dead? Not Derek Thomas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Neil Smith's alive. Great defensive end. And he's in the Hall of Fame.

Yes, he's the guy who used to wear the tape on his nose. He was one of the first guys to do that back in the day, wear the tape across the nose like a breathe-right strip. It's scary. What is he wearing? He was huge, man. Sterling Sharp, the terrific, unbelievable Packer receiver who hurt his neck and shortened his career.

Shannon Sharp's brother. He was great. Oh, he was great. And Tim Brown, the Hall of Fame Oakland Raider wide receiver. The Raiders. And longtime punt returner, kick returner. He's a great player, Tim Brown from Notre Dame. So fast.

God, was he fast. Heisman Trophy winner, I believe. Yeah, I believe so, too. I believe he won it, and McPherson was second that year. All right. Also, too, Michael Irvin, number 11 with the Cowboys. Icky Woods doing the Icky Shuffle in the second round. So he's fun.

You might know him. He's about to learn something about dust fucking zombies. You might know a little about Icky Woods from him being on commercials. What is he, spiking a loaf of bread on the ground after he does the Icky stuff? Spikes the cold cuts. Spikes the cold cuts on the ground. Yeah, that's Icky Woods. He's round two.

And he lost a Super Bowl because of one of our other fucking scumbags. Exactly, because of Stanley Wilson. Took it away from him. That's, I think, episode 39. He went back and listened to Stanley Wilson. Also, Thurman Thomas in the second round. Oh, shit. Another Hall of Famer.

One of the best players I've ever seen play. Four-time Super Bowl loser. Amazing. Four-time. But he was great. Yeah, he was amazing. Running back can only do so much. That's true.

Can't take you there. You need some defense. Now, round three, pick 75. That's what happens when you got... Never mind. Why, why? Go ahead. That's what happens when you have a tiny little white fucking receiver.

Oh, and Don Beebe is not going to get you a fucking Super Bowl. No, no. Andre Reid was great, though. They had James Lofton in the early 90s, too. Fast son of a bitch. Andre Reid. God, I love those teams. I loved watching.

They were so good. Early 90s football. I just love it so much. It's so great. It's real football. You can literally go on right now and just click 1989 NFL and watch highlights, watch they have NFL primetimes from then. It's amazing how different the football is. And it's great.

It's so much fun. It's open more. They say it's all open now, but there's not penalties every five seconds then. So the game actually flows. It's really fun to watch. And you can clobber a receiver. That's fucking great. Quarterbacks, receivers, you can do anything you want.

Guy has a concussion, he's back in a play later. I was watching an NFL primetime a while back, and I was actually watching it for, I can't remember which episode, but it was one of our, I think it was Dexter Manley, because Dexter Manley was on the Bucs at this time, and I wanted to see if he was on the highlight reel, and he was. They were like, there's Dexter Manley, and I saw him in uniform, and I'm like, you didn't do anything today. I was like, that's useless, so I watched that for an hour for nothing. I literally watched that for that line and go, okay, not index cards. Worthless. But I saw Tom Waddle, the ex-Bear receiver, little white receiver, get a horrific concussion on a play.

Horrific. Couldn't get up. They had to carry him off the field like on the coach's arms. Came back a play later. They were like, his bell's ringing, but he's tough. I'm like, his bell's ringing. He's tough. He doesn't even know where he is.

He goes, catches a touchdown, gets hit again, lays like he's dead on the turf for a while, and then they pick him up and break him off the thing, and he can't open his eyes, and he's holding his head, and they're like, he's going to have an excedrin headache, but boy, it's worth it. They're like, he's going to have brain damage. That's football. Yeah, he's going to have brain damage, not an Excedrin headache. You just gave him two major concussions in

a four-minute period. That can't be good for you. Jesus Christ. He's going to have lesions on his brain. Totally. So, round three, pick 75. Seattle takes Tommy Cain. Seattle Seahawks take him as a wide receiver. This is right after Pro Bowl cornerback James Hastie and

right before half-decent quarterback Chris Chandler, who you might remember took the 98 Falcons to the Super Bowl. Right. You lose to your Broncos. Yes. So right before and right after, they take him. Did he play for the Cardinals, too? Played for the Cardinals, too.

Yeah, that's right. Played for the Cardinals, played for Atlanta, and also a few picks later, Bill Romanowski, another guy I know you have an affinity for. He kind of can go fuck himself up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a jackass. He's a fucking idiot. He went to the Raiders.

When he went to the Raiders after leaving Denver, they asked him if his move was okay. And he said, the only bad thing was my goldfish died, but the bastard was orange anyway. That motherfucker shit on the Broncos. He's such a dick. Threw his fish. He shit on Denver through his fish. You hold grudges. I don't like him just because he's a dickhead.

Him and his fucking steroid-riddled fucking neck. What a monster. He attacked teammates physically in practice. He's a total asshole. He was. Also, too, later on, picks a couple of good defensive backs, Chuck Cecil and Chris Dishman also from back then. July 12, 1988, he signs with Seattle.

So he's an NFL player now. All right. Third round pick NFL player. Back home in Little Burgundy, the neighborhood, he's the hero. Oh, yeah. I mean, he made it. He made it in the States. He's in the NFL now.

You bet. Forget it. I mean, that's as big as you can be. Right. Continues to come back to the old neighborhood again. Talks to OJ. Talks to kids. This is where he's not like OJ.

This is where OJ didn't come back at all. OJ, that's his whole thing. He was like, oh, not black anymore. Okay, moving on. Like he actually came back to the old neighborhood, tried to help the kids, donated money to charities, did all that. A family friend named Jewel Jones, who's this kind of cool old like island lady. I like her. She's cool.

She says, quote, that's how we saw him, a hero coming out of Little Burgundy in Montreal. So he was representing them to the T. 1988 is his rookie season in the NFL. He tries. He doesn't play much because he's a rookie. Back then, they'd ease you in. They still had Steve Largent and shit back then on Seattle. So calm down, kid.

He plays in nine games. He's banged up a lot too. The beginning of his career is very, very injury-laden. Has a lot of leg injuries, knees, Achilles, ankle, a lot of things that would hamper a fast wide receiver with athletic ability. He plays in nine games, only has six receptions, 32 yards, 5.3 yards a catch, and zero touchdowns. Also gets some concussions that year.

Starts getting some concussions now, too, which is another problem. His ex-teammates bring it up a lot. They're like, he had a lot of concussions. He was a tough guy. Uh-oh. Plays in five games. Again, he's banged up a little. Has seven receptions, 94 yards. A little better on the average, 13.4. Zero touchdowns, though. Again, gets some concussions. Has a knee injury. His Achilles, his ankle, same injuries bothering him again. That's not good. Not good at all.

Now, remember Tamara Shake? Yes. Okay, Tamara. Yes. Runs back into Tamara in the old neighborhood. Yeah, the nerdy nice girl. Runs back into Tamara in the old neighborhood. She has become a very upstanding citizen. She's a bank teller at this point. She's, again,dy nice girl. Runs back into Tamara in the old neighborhood. She has become a very upstanding citizen.

She's a bank teller at this point. She's, again, 22 years old, got a nice job as a bank teller. Right. Making a nice little way for herself out of the bad neighborhood, too. The women liked him. She's not a banker star in America yet. No. Maybe she'll get down here.

We'll get her at a city bank and she'll get rolling. But I don't know. We'll see. Maybe she'll be a hedge fund manager later. Maybe. Maybe. She I don't know. Maybe she'll be a hedge fund manager later. Maybe. Maybe. She'll make it big. The women like Tommy, obviously.

All these women at this point back home. He'd go home and he's the hero. He's got money. He's signed a bunch. He's famous. He's on television. They like each other, Tommy and Tamara. They kind of hang out.

He calls her Tammy. We call her Tammy for the rest of the time. Teammates in Seattle even say that he talks about her all the time with the teammates. So he's smitten with this girl. Really? He's telling his boys about her. He's still going out and sticking his dick in anything he can put it in. But when he comes back.

This is the one he likes. This is the one he's like, I actually dig this girl. I don't want to kick her out as soon as I'm done. I don't care about these trollops, but that one I give a shit. And his friends say it's because he trusts her more than these other women because she's not looking for anything. Right. She's honest.

She's trustworthy. He's known her since she was 16 or 15, so he knows what she's all about, knows where she came from. They share similar backgrounds. They're a good couple. He thinks she's honest and trustworthy, basically. And also, too, she hasn't said shit about his carousing. So she doesn't know about it or she's ignorant of it. I'm going with option A. Either way, she hasn't said shit about his carousing. So she doesn't know about it or she's ignorant of it. Yeah, I'm going with option A.

Either way, she hasn't said shit. So he's going to ride this wave out for as long as possible. 1990, August 6, 1990, there's an article I see where they're talking about Tommy's right knee is hurt. He hurt it in practice in the training camp. Okay. And the team's offensive coordinator, John Becker, tells the press, quote, Tommy was in a lot of pain the other day when we finished up practicing. It's a real concern to me because I'd really like to have him back.

Yeah. So they want him, actually. Absolutely. They're like, look, this kid's got skills, and every time we think it's going to cook, he gets hurt. Right. It's one of those where we're like, ah. We're going to draft pick on him.

Yeah. And we want him to be good. This is year three, too. We need him. 90's year three. Right. So they're like, let's get going here. Use a receiver. is year three we need him 90s year three so they're like let's get going here by year three you want to get some payoff for a draft pick now october 3rd 1990 has a great game on the field terrific game on the field he comes back in 1990 from this injury strong he it's a bad knee injury and he just pretty much ignores it he had surgery the

year before didn't matter he's he's just going forward. Oh, shit. He catches a 63-yard touchdown pass that day, which is a huge deal. Big, exciting play. You know, everybody was looking at him. Anything over 40 is crazy. Yeah, 63 is huge, especially for this kid because I think it's like his second career touchdown, too. Really? So it's a big deal, yeah. 63 that went for a touchdown.

It went for a 63-yard touchdown, yeah. So he's having a great day. He feels terrific. Leaves the game. And he's told that his father died in Montreal. What the fuck? So that's a little less of a good time. At least you don't have to get him out of the ghetto.

No, that's true. Yeah, that's true. You can leave him there now. It's fine. It's kind of a double celebration. He left when he was three, number one. Hey, he's saving some money. Right.

You're saving cash. And you just got a 63-yard touchdown. Kind of a big day. You probably got to pay for the funeral, though, for being honest. But you know what? That's cheaper than a house. It probably is cheaper than a house. And it's a forever home.

It's a weekly check. It's a forever home. You'll stay here forever, Dad. No utilities. Like he's a shih tzu in a fucking forever home. No utilities, anything. It's beautiful. So Tommy, he's told his dad's dead.

Tommy's going to return to the funeral, to Montreal for the funeral and then return back to the team on Friday. This is on a Monday he leaves. This too, this is a weird thing before we get into this quick. This is the time when he was I saw an article in the paper where he was he's roommates with a guy named Derek Fenner who's an old Seattle running back who was just coming back

from a cocaine suspension. They put him with a kid. There's your roommates. Don't put the kid from the ghetto with a guy with cocaine. You put the kid who had a taste for that shit early and now the kid's depressed. Yeah. His dad's dead and his life's kind of a little bit in turmoil. You put him with the guy that does coke. Unreal, man.

So, I mean, I'm looking at this article and it's, you know, him with his dad dead and he's going back and they're talking to him and he's very sad. And I felt really bad for him, obviously, because I'm like, that sucks. His dad's dead and he's trying to do something and he wanted to take his dad out of the whole thing. But then I'm reading this article, but then I got distracted. I got distracted by the ads, Jimmy. The sales. I love the sales so much.

Oh, the sales. In 1992? Oh, yeah, 1990. All right. If you are in October of 1990 and you are in Spokane, Washington by any chance, you need to head down to the Green Thumb on East 16808 Sprague Avenue. You can get a Scott Pellet stove. You know what that is? No. That is the best wood-burning stove you're going to goddamn find.

The best one out there for only $1,599 which is a $300 savings not a deal yeah it's a deal it's a deal also too i could not take my eyes off the huge back to school sale down at dick's jewelry and watch all right dick is laying down the sales let Let me tell you something. It says watch sale with two exclamation points. That's a fucking sale. Back to school sale? Back to school. It's a little late for that.

Kid needs a watch in October. 25% to 35% off everything at West 409 Main Street. So great deals there. And then finally, this. Gentlemen, now ladies, you're going to want to go to this. But guys, you're going to want to go to this with guys. You're going to want to go to this, too, because this is where all the ladies are going to be, right? I'm telling you.

October 3rd, that night, it's a Wednesday night, is ladies night down at the Playfair horse racing track. Ladies get in free admission, baby. Every ladies night is ladies get in free. What is that? Post time is 5 o'clock.

Regular tick. You know how much money they're saving on an admission? Seven bucks. Two bucks is regular. Senior citizens for a dollar. Free parking for everybody, Eric, guys. Free parking.

Senior citizens a dollar or on Wednesdays, they get in free. I got to... If you're a lady. That's so terrible. Otherwise, pony up your buck, asshole. There's your pun. Pony up your buck you're a lady. That's so terrible. Otherwise, pony up your buck, asshole. There's your pun.

Pony up your buck at the horse track. Enjoy. Post time. So 19... Jesus. So, okay, I know the sales are exciting. Oh, Christ. It's tough.

I get it. I was distracted. I was trying to get to Spokane in 1990, but I decided to come record instead tonight. I was going to buy a watch. Dick's watch and jewelry repair was really getting me going. But so 1990, after his dad dies, Tommy buys his mom a house. He buys her a house out of the old neighborhood in a nice area called LaSalle. Much nicer.

Beautiful house. He buys her a nice house. Totally different from where he grew up. Couldn't be more proud. Now he's really done it. He's got out of the shithole. Went to college. Graduated college with a

marketing degree from the ghetto, from fighting and officers and dragging him behind cars and getting arrested as a kid and having all this shit happen to you. He has got out, made it huge enough to come home and say, Mom, you're moving out of this shithole house. I bought

you a brand new one. Imagine how good he felt right there. That had to feel unbelievable, man. Unbelievable. Like your first line of Coke. It's got to be unbelievable. Eyes lighten up. You can hear crackling going on.

And so Tommy at this point, too, he's getting really close with Tammy, too. So he's professional. Everything's coming together. I mean, mine is his dad. Things are coming together. Mine is his dad dying, which he wasn't around anyway. Right.

Whatever. So he's flying Tammy back and forth from Seattle to Montreal on the weekends when she's off of work and just having her come in and out. She does, she even insists on paying for dinner

when they go out half the time. What? That's what kind of girl this is. What a girl. She's not like, she wants him to know like, I'm not after your fucking money. I like you.

I'll pay for my own food. I'm a banker. I got banker money. And she doesn't even have a lot of money, but she's just like, she wants to show, I'm not after your fucking money. I like you. I'll pay for my own food. I'm a banker. I got banker money. She doesn't even have a lot of money, but she wants to show that she's not after anything. I'm a banker. I got 14 bucks an hour. I'm all right. I feel like she knows that girls are after that with him, and she's not a gold digger.

This is good for him. He's finding a nice girl. He should settle down with this goddamn girl. I got my own moose money. Yes, exactly. I got my own money with money. Yes, exactly. I got my own money with pictures of kids playing hockey on it. So 1990, 16 games he plays.

So he plays every game that season, which even if he's injured a little bit, not enough to make him miss a game. So good for you, Tommy. 11 games started. Wow. Now he's a starter for most of the time. 52 receptions, which is a damn fine year. 776 yards, 14.9 per reception very respectable four touchdowns now you're an nfl player you have earned your money now absolutely the team's like oh now we got something we're getting we're getting a return on this this is back when

steve largen's retiring and they're kind of turning the team over and they're like all right we can slide this guy right absolutely 1991 plays. 1991, plays in all 16 games again. So now he's even getting durable. All right. Starts 15 games this time. Two seasons in a row. Yep. Starts 15 games, has 50 receptions for 763 yards and 15.3 per reception.

Not bad. So that's a solid-ass year, man. Two touchdowns, which whatever. Dave Craig was the quarterback and he just sucked. Is that number one receiver you just sucked is that number one receiver you think or is that number two I think he's the number two it's gotta be right yeah well then again with Craig's terrible throwing it might be number one receiver at that point 1991 Tammy is pregnant oh boy she's pregnant they're happy though yeah celebrating those

700 yards yeah he is still messing around with other women like crazy though she's still in Montreal yeah so she comes back and forth and all week he is still messing around with other women like crazy, though, because she's still in Montreal. Yeah. So she comes back and forth, and all week he is just knee deep in, you know, in... Seattle poon. I was going to say in some really sopping wet, moldy Seattle women. You know, they're all humid. Their clothes are damp. They smell like a basement.

But they're there, and he's all over them. I know you don't smell like basements in Seattle, but you got to smell a little musty. I'm sorry. Your pros have to have some residual. It's probably why the majority of them are hipsters because they already smell shitty. That's perfect. Exactly. They already smell musty.

Yeah. He says he loves her a ton. He tells his teammates and everything. He loves her, but he still cheats his ass off because he's a football player. And that's what they do. I mean, that's just the way it is. Tammy either ignores it or is unaware of it, basically. He's going out partying like crazy with the other guys, drinking, women, the whole deal.

Deval Glover, an ex-teammate of him, said this that makes perfect sense. He said, quote, he liked to be his own person, you know, do what he enjoyed doing. He liked being independent. Well, that's great. Who the fuck doesn't? You probably shouldn't get in a relationship then would be my advice. How about don't knock a girl up and... Don't impregnate a woman from your small

town town. That would be the perfect thing to do at that point. Stop pretending like you give a shit about her because you don't. No, but he needs to control her though. Do this whole thing. It's the same thing with OJ. OJ was going out fucking everybody. He had a girlfriend when he killed his wife. He had a girlfriend.

Didn't matter. He wanted to control that one and that one and all of them. All of them. That's the thing. That's what he's like. Everyone blow me. 92 more injuries happen. This is when the ankle and the Achilles really start bothering him.

He plays, starts every game he plays. It's 11 games. Starts them all because now he's in the lineup. 27 receptions, 369 three points 13.7 per catch third three touchdowns a lot of injuries very banged up numbers are dwindling and he was slowed down on the field too he just wasn't the same athlete because his legs were because it hurts yeah and he's got concussions too it hurts and i can't think straight yeah so we have an in their own words about this now this is still he doesn't care he's so happy to be out of where he was he's like i'm still doing well this is basically it he says in their own words quote

i was not only a bad kid growing up in quebec i was the worst kid i was in knife fights i once beat a guy silly with a baseball bat i broke into houses broke into cars stole money i was busted several times the truth of the matter is is that i'm sure I would have wound up behind bars or dead if I wasn't doing what I'm doing right now. Yeah. Yeah. I love that in Canada, that's the worst kid. You have to shoot 30 other students in America to be the worst kid.

You have to wipe out your whole classroom to be the worst kid here. There, it's like, I got in a knife fight and he stole some shit. That's the worst kid. That's hilarious. So, Canada, you're so sweet up there. You have to commit a knife fight and he stole some shit that's hilarious so canada you're so sweet up there you have to commit a horrible atrocity including a school shooting fuck yeah the worst kid yeah you have to outside of that and even then there's competition right you're like he shot 10 kids but that guy killed 12 i don't know let's look at it he goes to knife

fights big fucking deal yeah does he have an ar-15 right no he's this kid shot his mom in her bed and then went to a elementary school and shot 60 kids more kids yeah he's worse by far worst kid here enjoy your knife fights pussy enjoy your knife fights pal man so 1993 goes to seahawks training camp and he has had surgery also again minor surgeries on his knee and on his achilles trying to patch him up. And he's just not athletically cutting it. And in 1993, in training camp, he is cut by the Seahawks. Oh, shit.

He's devastated, as you can imagine. He's got a baby on the way. Not only that, it's his whole identity. Yeah. And also, too, they say, and this is funny, he's never been cut from anything before. Oh, that's a good point. He's always been the best athlete. He's never been cut.

All through school, if you're that good of an athlete, you're not going to get cut. You're the captain of the team. This is the first time he's been rejected. This is the first time he's been rejected by anything. All the women love him. Sports teams take him. The girl he liked from high school, he's, you know, this is the first time where he's like, oh, I've been told no. It's not good for

his psyche. I mean, the only other time he's been told no was by a police officer that said, no, you cannot go away. And he did it anyway. No, you can't park here. Right. With the only other time he's been told no was by a police officer that said, no, you cannot go away. And he did it anyway. No, you can't park here. Right. With the Seattle Seahawks, you can't come into training camp and they go, no, you got to leave.

And he's like, nope, I'll stay. That doesn't happen here. That doesn't work. I'll just slam the coach's arm in the door and drive off. That doesn't work. The only no he had known is no parking. That's the only thing he had been aware of. No parking in his whole life.

And 19 times he told him to go fuck themselves. Yeah, he didn't take that for an answer. You can't go fuck yourself out of this one. Out of being cut. No parking. But he's injured while he is actually injured. Or he's cut while he's injured. So that is a thing where you can take the team to court for a settlement on part of

your salary if they cut you while you're injured because you're not technically allowed to do that. So he actually wins a decent settlement from the Seahawks that gets him through the 1993 year. And he's taking this year off to try to get healthy and make a comeback of some kind of way, shape or form. Still kind of keeping his brain together. Yeah, he's still kind of got it together.

At least enough wherewithal to sue. I feel like, though, looking back on it from now, that was not his idea to sue and then get healthy. No, the union did that for him. The union and an agent. And the agent said, look, get your ass in shape and we can get you back on another team. Because that agent wants a paycheck for getting him on a team. Yeah, the agent probably said, don't sue because you're going to look like a dick later on and the union was like, no, we're

suing. We're suing and you probably need the money, which he does. So 94, he is signed by the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League. Now normally it's guys from here that we've covered have washed out in the NFL and they go, well I could either play for Canada or the Raiders. Remember

how many guys said that? Like three different guys said it's for Canada or the Raiders. Remember how many guys said that? Like three different guys said it's either Canada or the Raiders. I don't know. So he goes back to Canada, which for him is where he's from. That's a positive thing. But it's a downgrade for him. It's a huge hit to the ego. 12 grand a year, too. Yeah, he makes $65,000 a year as his annual salary, which is nowhere near what he was

making in the NFL. Actually, his first year, what he thinks is going to be his first year, he donates his entire $65,000 salary to the West End Sports Center in Montreal, where he came up as a kid. How well is he doing? He said, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the West End Sports Center, so I'm giving my whole salary to the West End Sports Center. That's nice. I don't know what he's thinking because he needs the fucking money.

Not only that, he's got a kid who needs the fucking money. That's the thing. And how do you think Tammy felt about that? You're doing what now? Listen, stop taking care of those kids. Take care of this kid. Exactly. But apparently he still had some dough from the settlement and hopefully maybe in 93 when he got cut, he said, I better save every dime I have from

the settlement because who knows how long it's going to last. We can bridge the gap with this shit and then we'll get to next year and we'll be fine. Totally. So in five games in Canada, he's cut after only five games. Only plays five games. He's banged up. He just doesn't have it. He can't cut it physically anymore. His body is not cooperating.

He doesn't have the same speed. He's just not the same guy. No explosion. He plays in five games, has 10 receptions for 125 yards, 12.5 per and one touchdown, which isn't terrible, but apparently they just didn't see anything. There's no glimmer. Exactly.

They don't go, ooh, there's something there. I mean, it's Canada. You take what you can get. They took Dexter Manley, for Christ's sake. He couldn't even fucking read. He played three seasons in the NFL where they beat the living piss out of you, and he was 5'11". Well, he played five seasons.

But two of them he was banged up quite a bit. He played a little less than two of them. So he played three that he actually worked hard. He's got a lot of mileage on the tires. Yeah, absolutely. A lot of miles on the tires. Now, after this, he's cut from Toronto, leaves there. Where do you think he's going to do now?

What happens in an athlete's life? Where the fuck is Burgundy? Thank you. You know, we all know one of the crime in sports rules, just like the silver-haired, middle-aged white man and everything else is, when things are are going bad at their worst, you do not go home. And he grabbed a he grabbed a birch stick and threw that red checkered scarf on it and hitchhiked it right the fuck back to right back to Montreal. He's not quite Burgundy, but it's Montreal. It's still the hometown.

It's nowhere he knows is where he's got a bunch of friends and running idiots. And where people can get coke. Where people can get coke and where all the ladies love him and know him. And he's still a big deal. So that's why. He gets involved. At first, it's kind of positive. He gets involved in the sports center, in the West End Sports Center. All right.

He coaches all the sports, coaches everything they have to coach. He's all over it. The kids love him, as you can imagine. Well, he played everything. Yeah. And as you can imagine, he's the most famous guy to ever come out of the neighborhood. The kids love him. Absolutely. They're like, oh, my God. He's all over it. The kids love him. Well, he played everything. Yeah. And as you can imagine, he's the most famous guy to ever come out of the neighborhood. The kids love him. They're like, oh, my God.

He's a hero. Yeah. He's in the NFL. You don't know a lot of people in the NFL here. In Canada, there's even less. So, I mean, think about it that way. Look at it that way. So he gets involved there.

Like I said, Tamara has moved up. Old Tammy is a bank manager now. She's doing better for herself. Moved up from Teller. She is actually making the family money. Of course she is. Because he is volunteering and he doesn't, that's all he's doing is volunteering, which is great, but it's not a job. Doesn't pay the bills.

Yeah. He's trying to get his life together basically. He's trying to just figure out what the fuck to do with himself. Did you know Tommy played in the NFL? That phrase does not pay your mortgage. No. He's got to stop that bullshit. It gets your respect from 12-year-olds who want to play some pickup basketball, but they don't take that shit down at the bank, even if she's the manager.

So 1996, late 95, 96, he becomes a radio commentator, here we go. Oh. For the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes. So that is a terrible name for a team. The Montreal Alouettes. I don't even know what that means. That's not even French. It's Canada. They had two teams named the Rough Riders for years. There's fucking eight teams in the whole league, and two of them were named the Rough Riders.

What is an Alouette? I have no idea. Something French, I would imagine. He's let go after one season of commentating. So apparently he wasn't real good at that, apparently, or they wanted to go a different way. Or they needed someone who spoke French. I'm not fucking sure. They let that contract expire.

And we're like, once this shit's over, we'll find somebody else. Who? I don't care. Anybody. Anybody. Yeah, we'll get him. Now, through his football connections in the next year and his marketing degree, as we remember, he's actually a college graduate. Right.

He lands a job at Universal Studios in Orlando doing some marketing work for them. Oh, shit. Makes a bunch of money. I thought you were about to say he's a tour guide. He's a tour guide. He's a stuntman. They're going to fire him out of cannons and shit during the show. He's going to point at the DeLorean and be like, they used that in the fucking movie.

No, no. This is a great job. It's a high-paying, really good job, respectable, and he goes down. He moves down to Orlando and he's got to fly home here and there to see Tammy because she stays in Montreal because she's got a job as a bank manager and she doesn't trust

that this fucking guy won't blow it. So she can't quit her job. She's got to keep her shit together because who knows. Now, after a few months, they're struggling financially a little bit and he quits. He doesn't want to do it anymore. He wants to move back home. He's depressed.

It's not the fucking NFL. Yeah, he's depressed and it's a nine to five job type of thing. It's a suit and tie kind of a thing and he's away from Tammy's, away from everything. He's away from his friends. He's sitting down there in Orlando. The Coke might be hard to come by if you don't know anybody. I don't know. Who knows?

He's having a tough time. So, like I said, they move back after a few months. They're struggling financially, and they have to move into Tammy's mother's house. Oh, no. So now he's gone all the way back down. Oh, my God. So now he's living with his mother-in-law, basically. That's the worst.

That's the worst thing that could happen to you. From an NFL player. Yeah, four years before that. He's as independent as can be. He can pay for things. He can fly people places. He can do things. He feels like he's a big man, and now he's living in his mother-in-law's guest room.

That has got to be the most humbling fucking experience in the world. It really must be. I can't even imagine. Yeah. I don't know how he didn't kill himself right there. He persevered through this. I cannot do marketing. I fucking hate that I got this degree, and now I'm living in my mother-in-law's house.

Kill me now. Lay in a bathtub and open a vein for sure. That's it. But 97, he's plugging along. He's really trying to get into the family aspect of it. He's trying. They get engaged. They get engaged in 97.

As if that's going to be what fills that void of a screaming stadium. Well, I'll have some kids and they'll look at me. At least somebody will give a shit about me. Exactly. So they get engaged in 97. They plan to marry that summer. Now, I don't know if – I can't find Canadian marriage records, but apparently they say they got married. But then later on in an article, she's referred to as his common law wife.

So I don't know if they actually got married or if they just stayed together long enough to call it that. I think they got married. I was told she had a ring. So why would you give a ring if you weren't going to just do it? I don't know. Whatever. Things are going well, though. They move into their own home.

All right. Things are turning around for them. You know, as a family, they're trying to get back on their feet. 1998, they have a second son. So now this is two kids. The first one, she was pregnant in 91. They had a son. So now they have two sons.

Okay. 98. 99. They have a third son. Oh, no. Stop shitting kids out now, Tommy. Let's cut this shit out. Stop it. Let's snip up those pipes, Tommy boy. And, you Oh, no. Stop shitting kids out now, Tommy. Let's cut this shit out. Stop it.

Let's snip up those pipes, Tommy boy. And, you know, something. I mean, congratulations on not knocking up all the other women you were banging on. Three's enough for you, buddy, because you have problems. And let's not get any more. At least they're all with the same woman. That's all I'm saying. That is.

No, he's having them with the same girl. That's for an NFL player. That's top notch. That's fucking amazing. 2,000. They have a fourth child. Oh, God, no. It's a daughter this time

too so you want to have her in the picture that you can mess her up pay for eventually well yeah and also too you can mess her up psychologically and really make her view of the world and men and it really skewed and messed up because you're a jackass right so good job thanks asshole 2000 that was so now there's a 17 year old girl gonna be 18 in a month gonna be unleashed with this horrible father so good luck everybody dean smith the college teammate that we were the old friend that we talked about said quote they probably planned on having kids but i don't think he planned on having that many kids i don't think he was financially ready for four yeah no shit who the fuck is financially ready for four kids that's a guy that doesn't have four kids, and he has probably two, and he's like, fuck four.

That shit's expensive. No, I don't think so. Four kids, you have to be a psychopath. I've got two. I don't want four. Four, double that payment up. You have to be an NFL player to have four kids and take care of them in a decent fashion. I can barely keep track of two.

How do you keep track of four kids? Never mind. They're right three or right in a row. Boom, boom, boom, boom. The other one's like five years older, and then they have them, you know, one, two, and three years old. Like, holy shit. Friends noticed his stress and frustration was growing immensely. Oh, I'm sure.

With not only the family, and he's not sure he wants to have four kids, but on top of that, he's money, too. It's financial problems. He can't get a good job. He can't keep a good job. He can't get – he can't find his way. It's financial problems. He can't get a good job. He can't keep a good job. He can't find his way. It's 2000 now. He hasn't played football in six years. Not just that.

He hates the field that he would have to go into as his fallback. It's not even that he hates the field. He just hates that it's not football. He hates that it's not what he had. There's no glory. There's no glory. Nobody's looking up to him. I go to work.

I come home. I sit in traffic like every other. It's like Ray Liotta at the end of Goodfellas. Here I am to live the rest of my life like a schnook. And he's standing there. I get spaghetti and I get egg noodles and ketchup. It's that. That's what he's doing. Look, I got egg noodles and ketchup. This is bullshit. Hilarious. That's exactly what it is. Finance is super tough. He is extremely depressed at this point it gets bad uh he takes a job in early 2000 early 2001 as a sports marketing manager for a nutritional supplement distributor and he fucking hates it yeah he's miserable as i would sell a no explode or some shit that's terrible he's got to sit at a fucking sweaty stinky gym and sell terrible b complex to

these muscle heads. That sounds like a terrible job. He does it, I think, to stores and that sort of shit and probably gyms also, but it's a nine to five. He's got to get up. He's got to fight the rush hour. He's got to put a tie on. He's got to do the whole thing.

There's no podcast to keep you fucking occupied. No crime in sports. None. He's got nothing. He cannot listen to this at all back then. It's only 2001. Podcast. He's got nothing. He cannot listen to this at all back then. It's only 2001. Podcasts have not been invented. People are wandering around flicking through radio stations like fucking cavemen.

No, no. You guys are smarter. Thank you. So Tommy is hanging around the old neighborhood now. Not just there. He's actually going out and hanging around the neighborhood with old friends and people who've been in and out of prison. Landing on a brownstone in the afternoon and just sitting there waiting.

Yep. And not only that, you could see him with a paper bag, with a beer, with a paper bag. He starts using cocaine again. This is when he gets into cocaine. Oh, no. He likes his cocaine now because he's, I don't know, just feeling shitty about himself. He starts to party really hard right now. Again, don't go home.

Don't go. If things are bad, get the fuck as far away from your hometown as possible. I know you want to go there because your family's there and you're comfortable. Bullshit. Run. That's the problem is that it's comfortable. It's comfortable. Go somewhere that's uncomfortable.

Run away. Run as far as you can. Dean Smith, his buddy here on his drug use, said, quote, he was getting high a little bit and I said to him, I think you're getting high too much you should stop doing that and he told me why are you always telling me how to live my life he's not even listening to his friends now this isn't even tammy being like stop doing coke this is his friend like man you're getting high too much and he's like man fuck you tell me how to live my life i got four kids at home fuck you four kids yeah he's singing billy joel songs to him fucking terrible now family and friends can't

believe he's devolved this far they're like he was their hero he was the person that you would tell your kid if you work hard you can grow up and get out of the neighborhood and be that guy right and instead now it's like you can be that guy now you don't have to do shit you just have to grow up and do coke on the corner and you're that guy. Congratulations. You know, so it's not as good as it used to be for him. They're sad for Tommy. They can't believe it's Tommy, basically. All of them are like, I didn't even believe it was him anymore. It's so sad.

It's insanely sad. 2001, they're fighting Tammy and Tommy. Tammy and Tommy. Oh, that's crazy, too. I didn't even notice that. Yeah, I wrote it. When I noticed it when I was writing shit, I'm like, is that Tammy or Tommy when I wrote something once?

I'm like, I better write Tamara and then I'll write. Yeah. So anyway, Tammy and Tommy, they're mad. She's mad at him because of his party. Yeah. He's out all hours of the night. Yeah. He's she can smell booze.

Yeah. No, he knows he's doing drugs and she can smell, you know, strip club. Yeah. That's sort of a bummer. That's called partying, though, because he's not. No. Partying. Not having coping. That's what that is he's coming home high with with glitter on his forehead right you know what i mean and that's him forgetting yeah i wasn't at the strip club uh she's mad that the kids are seeing him be you know yell at her too because she's

confronting him and he's telling her to go fuck herself and walking away so the kids are seeing this uh she's also sad that he's acting like this in front of them and she's the kids are seeing this. She's also sad that he's acting like this in front of them. And she's the kids are seeing him high and everything else. He's doing exactly what his father did. Exactly. Because this is what fucking kids do. Right. Stay with your goddamn kids and don't beat the shit out of them. It's imprinted forever. Stay with them. Don't beat them. Don't molest them. That's it. Pretty easy. If you have to get divorced, keep up with the fucking kids. Go talk to them. Pick them up a couple of times a week. Hang out with them. Still be a parent. You know, shit like that.

Basics. Go to a park. Throw a football. Fly a kite. Something. It's easy. They agreed to separate in late 2001. They said, let's break up for a minute and let's see if we can work this out.

They're still talking about working it out. Tommy, at this point, gets his own condo. I don't know how the fuck he did that. Fascinating. I'm not sure how he got his own condo, but he had his own condo. And this just means now there's no Tammy there to bitch at him. Yeah. The way he's looking at it, he's like, she's not here bitching at me.

I'll go out all night. I'll hang out. I'll drink. I'll do coke right off the coffee table. All good. Free-range Tommy. Woo-hoo. Free-range Tommy.

He is doing it. Drinking drugs. Quits his job. Stops volunteering. What do I need to do any of that for? Yeah, fuck that. I got it my own place. Do blow. Who cares? I'm telling you drugs, quits his job, stops volunteering. What do I need to do any of that for? Yeah, fuck that. I got it my own place. Do blow.

Who cares? I'm telling you, he quits his job. He stops even volunteering. So he's just pulling himself back. That's it. He's just receiving. It's like an 18-year-old that got out of his parents' house and is just like, fuck it. I'm doing everything I want.

I'm going to flunk out of college in a month and a half. Yeah. And then they go out, and next thing you know, they're back home. Tamara, at this point, she gets sick of of waiting for him and she moves on with her life some of his friends say you know i'd see her out in the club and she'd dance with guys and she was you know not every night or anything but she'd go out and have a good time enjoying herself she's looking yeah she's looking to date other people she's just looking to move on with her life she's been with this guy for over 10 years and he's been a fucking disaster right and then she's had four

kids with him. I think she has really put up with a shitload and earned her right to go try to get a life of her own at this point. Go shake your ass, Tammy. You deserve it. Yeah, go out there. Have a girl's night. Do your thing. So she's doing that.

He gets angry when he finds out from his friends and from people that she's seeing other people. He's like, no, fuck that. I've got to get her back now. What the fuck? But he doesn't stop doing drugs and turn his life around. No. He just gets angry and starts stalking her. That's how he's going to get her back.

Not by actually doing things that would make her attracted to him. He's a bright one, this guy. 48 hours and datelined and snapped. If any of those are anything to prove, this doesn't work, Tommy. No. This is not the way you get them back. This is not the way you get them back. You really have to go about it a little more of a sensitive way. Like I said, say, hmm, not at all. This is not the way you get them back. This is not the way you get them back. You really have to go about it a little more

of a sensitive way. Like I said, say, what do they like? Maybe she wants me to have a job. I'll go get one of those. That'd be good. Hey, maybe I'll stop doing coke. This is great. I'll act like I care about the kids. I'll stop fucking whores. Perfect. This is terrific. Send her some pro flowers and fucking send it over the edge. That's right. Pro flowers.

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So anyway, they're doing their whole thing. He's stalking her. She does not want him back. No. She's just like, I don't want this crazy stalker asshole who's not doing anything I want. I've got nice people. He shows up at her house unannounced. Shows up at all hours of the night.

Shows up at one in the morning. And he can use the excuse of I'm here to see my kids. That's shitty. He's not even doing that, though. He's calling her at one in the morning and being like, who are you with right now? You with somebody? And she's like, what the fuck do you care? I'm with your four kids, asshole.

Yeah, exactly. That's what he's doing, though. He's just like sitting outside of her house, doing crazy shit like that. Cocaine use escalates. Of course. This is he's just doing as much cocaine as he can get his hands on. I'm telling you now, his friend Deval Glover, who we've discussed before, ex-teammate, said, quote, you knew that he wasn't in a good frame of mind, that things were just not working as planned. And he just couldn't find his way.

And he wasn't happy. That's true as shit because it's even more cocaine more alcohol friends start to hear that he's suicidal oh shit too they're starting to talk and say tommy's threatening shit yeah you know we need to keep an eye on tommy he's doing a lot of drugs getting mentally unhinged yeah um so dean smith this friend here said about him and this is insight because he knows the guy. This is perfect. He said, quote, my wife is leaving me. I'm an ex-NFL guy. She's leaving me.

She can't leave me. He's got no job, no money coming in, concussions on top of that, the dope on top of that. You take that with no work. You take that with doing drugs. You take that with depression. You've got a problem. That's like TNT explosives right there in my mind. That's the fucking smartest guy in this whole story so far he's like look you add this shit up i'm yakking off this is

dangerous you can tell that to any psychiatrist and they'll be like we need to get him out now yeah right now that's what i mean and he's not even a psychiatrist this guy is an idiot he's smart he sees things i like this guy October 2003, this is when things are really deteriorating. His friends are super worried about the suicidal thing here. Bad stuff. His drug use is absolutely just out of control. Plateau of, you know, to the moon here. He checks himself into a mental hospital.

Good. Through a doctor to smartest thing he's done so far exactly this is good maybe he'll get some help maybe this is good for him it's not gonna see he was just you know what can i do to get tammy back rather than how can i fix myself and then i'll worry about anybody else and tammy and everybody else once i'm not a disaster that's what happens with these psychotic people though they think that they can just fucking blanket that person that they want with affection and they don't realize that's not how it's done. You go work on you, man.

Go fix you. Because no matter what relationship you're in, it's not going to be healthy. It's not going to be right, and you're going to fuck that up, and you're going to murder somebody. Absolutely. And this is the same exact thing as OJ. OJ didn't give a shit about Nicole, and he wanted to go fuck who he wanted to fuck. But then when he found out she was with somebody, there's a recording of him yelling and screaming where he actually stood outside and watched her fuck her boyfriend. OJ did.

Really? Watched Nicole and her boyfriend go at it. That's awesome. And then he was yelling at her about it the next day. You weren't saying that when you were sucking his dick with the kids in the house. What about that shit? And it's OJ being like, you know. OJ.

OJ. When he gets mad, he gets black it's fucking funny he does he's like listen hurts you gotta get a rental car and then when he gets mad he's like motherfucker i said come here that's like whoa hey what happened i will kick a goddamn door down but that's the same thing like he can't take yeah he doesn't matter if he doesn't want her he needs her to be his it's just under the thumb. It's just under the thumb, man. It's a fucking narcissistic sociopath bullshit. You bet. So he stays in the mental hospital for five weeks.

Wow. That's a long stay. Yeah. That's not a 72-hour check you out. We've got to do some work and put him down. That's a lot of pudding eating. That's a lot of pudding. His sister said, quote, he looked broken.

He just looked broken. Oh, I'm sure he did. Yeah, he did. He was sitting there. He said he was miserable, and he felt like a piece of shit, as I can imagine. He's probably sitting there in a robe with no back to it, and he's like, this is miserable. And he checked himself in so he could leave at any time, and he knew that five weeks was— Yeah, he wasn't committed.

Right. This was like through—he agreed to do it through a doctor. Now, after five weeks, he's released from the psych ward. Tammy moves in or Tommy. I'm see Tammy. Tommy. Tommy moves in with his mother now. Now he's now he's gone all the way back to living with his mom.

He has to feel utterly like a piece of shit. It's the house he bought. Right. That's how I say at least it's a nice place. And it's his house. It's in his name. I mean, he bought it, but he should have put it in her name as we're going to find out. But he buys her the house.

He's living in the house and she is just, the mother is like begging him because he's just around the house drinking and just being a fucking mess of a human being doing drugs. She's telling him that you got to stop doing drugs. He's yelling the drugs aren't my fucking problem. That's not the problem. I just got to figure out how to get Tammy back. She's fucking lying to me. He said that he would wander around the house and wander around the streets, wandering around the streets babbling to himself, just saying she's lying to me. I'm going to kill myself.

Shit like that. Babbling. That's some horribly psychotic behavior. You see those people on the street and you cross to the other side to get the fuck away from them. She's also, the mother is concerned about his drug use because he is using about two grams of coke a day, which is a fucking lot of coke. That's a lot of fucking coke and huge for a guy with no money. And he's on this coke. That's what I was going to say. How the fuck is he getting money for this?

No idea. He's on this coke. He's wandering around the streets babbling to himself, just probably going in whatever storefront he can find. And he goes in one. He's like, that smells good. What's that? It's the shawarma man. And he says, how is it you've come to arrive here?

Why are you here? Why are you coming to my store? You wander. You talk to you. Don't talk to yourself. You scare. You scare everyone. Who the hell is Tammy?

You scare employee. I don't know. Not Tammy. Why? you scare everyone. Who the hell is Tammy? You scare employee. I don't know no Tammy. Why? Your nose, you got stuff all over. Sign say close. Go, you go. No, no shawarma for you. No shawarma.

No, you want, I make for you. You want lamb? I make, I carve little bits for you. It's okay. It's okay. Go. Stop doing the drug. You go now.

You go. And he leaves. But he was, he was the shawarma man for one day. He made him better. He gave him some shawarma. He gave him some tough love. And he had a good day that day. A little bit of love inarma man for one day. He made him better. He gave him some shawarma. He gave him some tough love. And he had a good day that day. A little bit of love in his soul for a second.

He had a great day that day. He was like, you know what? Somebody cares about me. It's the shawarma man. So they start to plan an intervention. Hey, you signed the Seattle Seahawks helmet. You signed. I have jersey.

You signed for me. Yes, I know Dave Craig, not you, but you signed anyway. I have Russell Wilson jersey. I don. Yes, I know Dave Craig, not you, but you sign anyway. I have Russell Wilson Jersey. I don't care if you know not know him. It doesn't matter. You sign. Sign my number 12. You sign 12.

You sign. I am 12th man. See? I make shawarma for whole team. Hey. Anyway, so Mother Shirley starts setting up an intervention for Tommy. She's trying to, let's get an intervention going. Let's try to nip this shit in the bud here.

But none of his crew will really be involved. So the only people that she can get a hold of, she tries to get a hold of Tammy. She's like, the only person he's going to listen to is Tammy, basically. If Tammy says, look, you need to do this, she's thinking maybe, because she's obsessed with Tammy, maybe this will get him. Last-ditch effort. Last-ditch effort. Last-ditch effort. Let's try to save him. So Tammy agrees to attend.

Wow. She agrees to attend. She says she's going to bring one of the people from church with her, the church that he goes to. And it's like a respected church woman that works at the church. She's going to bring her along if maybe that would make it a little more concrete and embarrass him into doing it. Something. Bring some kids, too, goddammit. Well, you don't want the kids in the middle of an intervention because that can get ugly and you're going to be taller.

They're adults, aren't they? No, no. Jesus, these kids are two years old, three years old, four years old. You're right. So the one kid, I think, is 10, the oldest one. You still don't want them at all. Jesus. So they set the intervention date for November 30, 2003.

This is when they're going to do it. Like I said, Tommy now at this point is using more coke than he ever had. The week leading up to this, he's like out of control. Like a psychosis, basically, doing so much coke. Raccoon circles around his eyes. Stanley Wilson Super Bowl, pre-Super Bowl level cocaine use at this point. Former teammate Don McPherson, who was second in the Heisman Trophy, voting to Tim Brown there, as we discussed before, the old Syracuse quarterback.

He says of him, quote, the Tommy Kane I knew is gone. The football player, that friend, he's gone. And there's a different man here. Personally, I don't know how to look at it. That was about the Tommy Kane that I played with in college, and that's not him. Wow. So that's sad. He's like, I don't even know that fucking guy, basically.

He turned into a – he was an upstanding dude that was dependable and now he's a complete piece of shit worst he had was 19 traffic to her parking tickets yeah which is kind of funny almost except for dragging the police officer if he didn't do any of that it was been like you know those teammates would be like you fucking idiot you got 19 parking tickets they would have made fun of them they never showed up yeah i don't. I just didn't pay them. They didn't show up. It's crazy. So, day of the intervention, it's November 30th, 2003. Tamara brings Hilda St.

Louis is her name, a woman from church. That's a great name. Hilda St. Louis. Sounds like the worst porn star ever, doesn't it? Hilda St. Louis. And she's like, ooh, she's in like the hairy section. It's not good. That's ugly. In the stretch mark section, the granny porn area.

Bad shit. Hilda St. Louis. Ugly. But she gang banged 320 people. Good for her. Good for you, Hilda. You make a star out of yourself. You do it.

You get out of little Burgundy the other way you can. So she's a church lady. You ever seen one of those? The gang bang porn? It's so creepy gangbang no i'm not into that i can't i it's it's oh it's like it's like animals feasting i can't i can't watch it it's hilarious because the guy's got to stand there just tugging away waiting yeah and then obviously she's dry so they just come up and like and just glop a dollop of fucking lube and they just bang away until they blast it's hilarious romantic it's so funny very romantic and she's who wants to watch a video where neither person

is enjoying themselves it's not even like one person's right both of them are like this is miserable is someone getting off on that like oh yeah yeah you make a bad you make a face like it hurts and then you make a face like you don't like it yeah do that perfect you make a face like it hurts, and then you make a face like you don't like it. Yeah, do that. Perfect. You make a face like it hurts, and you make a face like you can't believe that you're in a place where 225 guys already can. Yeah. You act like you didn't just jerk off in line with 200 other guys for the last 15 minutes.

You just do that, okay? Can you do that? How do people beat off to that? I watched it to laugh at it. I swear. That's great. So great. So this this isn't so funny. Unfortunately, they still the St.

Louis and Tammy come over to Shirley's house. The mom to intervene with Tommy. He doesn't obviously know this is happening. That's an intervention. Tommy is enraged and they show up really fucking enraged. I can't believe it. That at her insistence and tammy's trying to be cool she's like look you have a problem and we need to help you and it's

you're a good guy and you know people love you and your kids love you and blah blah blah blah he's fucking pissed yeah he grabs her by the arm and drags her into the kitchen okay so gotta get her away from hilda st louis yeah so hilda and shirley are in the living room while they drag into the kitchen, and they think, well, maybe Tammy can talk some sense into them. Yeah, they're just going to have a chat. Yes, until a moment later when they hear Tammy screaming bloody murder in there,

and so they're like, oh, shit, they run in here in the kitchen to find Tommy beating her senseless. Oh, my God. With his fists, beating her in the face and head and dragging her by the hair around the kitchen and bouncing her head off the tile floor. Oh, shit. Smashing her head on the tile floor. This is the mother of his four kids.

Nice fucking guy. So Hilda runs over, the church lady, to try to stop this. As she's running over, he grabs a knife off the counter, a large kitchen knife, and goes to stab Tammy, where Hilda jumps on him and jumps on his arm. And she's lucky she didn't get cut. This lady's brave. No doubt. Hilda's brave.

She's braver than any gangbang porn star. I mean, that's rough. But this is even more rugged. None of those guys have knives. Giant cocks, maybe, but not knives. So she comes over. She actually wrestles the knife out of his hand. Wow.

Which is amazing. It's funny, too, because he must have had some sort of different, like he didn't hit her. He didn't like, he treated her better than the cop did when he tried to get her out of the car. He actually let her take the knife as she peeled it out of his hand, which is insane. I can't believe she got the knife away from him. That's amazing.

But problem is with fucking, knife blocks are a bad idea. Yeah. Okay. Knife blocks are a bad idea. Yeah. Okay. Knife blocks are a bad idea. You need one knife. You don't know if your husband, if your wife is crazy. Have one knife in the house and you decide who's going to be the guy to cut the meat. There are so many murder weapons just sitting right there.

Apparently, yeah, she takes that. He, without missing a beat, grabs another knife. Oh, my God. Out of the block and starts repeatedly stabbing her in the throat. Oh, my God. Stabs Tammy in the throat. stabbing her in the throat. Oh, my God. Stabs Tammy in the throat. In front of the church lady. In front of the church lady and his own mother.

Oh, my God. His own mother and the church lady look on horrified screaming as they try to stop him and beg him to stop. And he doesn't stop. He keeps hacking away at her. Holy shit. She's bleeding out on the kitchen floor. He goes and walks away.

Hilda comes over and comforts her, basically, until the paramedics get there, which is sad as can be. She dies in the hospital. Oh, Jesus. She's dead on arrival at the hospital, which is depressing as can be. Tamara's sister takes custody of the kids, Tammy's sister, because where the hell else are they going to go? So two days later, or the next day, on December 1 2003, Cain is charged with second-degree murder, obviously.

He pleads not guilty because he couldn't have been premeditated because he didn't know she was coming. So it's second-degree murder. While he pleads, they have him all shackled and everything. He does not look like he's in good shape, obviously, in the head or anywhere else. His sister, Karen Desmond, said, quote, both our families are grieving and we'll have to wait for the outcome of everything. So it's just a mess. It's just a fucking mess. We've had he came from nowhere.

He did great. Now we have four kids with no mother. We have all these kids in the neighborhood, too, who have no one to look up to. No hero. No hero. And those kids are going to lose their dad, too. That's what I mean. The kids are going to lose both their parents. No hero. No hero. And those kids are going to lose their dad, too. That's what I mean. The kids are going to lose both their parents.

No hero. Washed out. Fucking Seattle didn't get what they needed out of him. Toronto sure as hell didn't get anything. The Alouettes got a shit announcer that didn't work out. He left the Orlando Universal Studios people completely on the hook. A drug dealer doesn't have their fucking customer anymore. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy.

I feel so bad for all these people. I love it. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Thomas Kane, an engineer at EBL Engineers LLC in Silver Springs, Maryland. Oh, he's got a good life. Yeah. Thomas Kane, an experienced mediator at a law practice at Mediation Services of Central Florida, Inc.

in Orlando, Florida. Tommy could have used him. Doing well? Yeah. Mediation would have been big. A Central Florida, Inc. in Orlando, Florida. Tommy could have used him. Doing well? Yeah. Mediation would have been big. A mediator, yeah. Thomas Kane, Managing Director at Chatsworth Securities, LLC. Oh, that sounds great.

Yeah. Thomas Kane, VP of Global Sales at Virtec Vision International, Inc. in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. That's a great fucking business car from Canada. He's in Ontario, this poor bastard. He's got to really go. You search Thomas Kane, Canada, that's who you're getting. You search Thomas Kane Canada, that's who you're getting. That's who shows up. That's who you're getting.

Him and a murderer. Yeah. Thomas Kane, former art director for advertising that is currently a really, really world-renowned artist that does really cool illusions. Look up Tommy Kane artist. He comes up a lot. Also, too, Tommy Kane, some high school basketball player that went to Tappan Zee High School in Orangeburg, New York.

He graduated in 05. I feel bad for him. He was 5'10", and he played forward. What the fuck are you thinking? You can't be a 5'10 forward. That's all white kids playing that. That's a mess. That's not even a small forward.

That's a disaster. That fucking, in rec league, that's a shooting guard. So he's too tiny to be a forward, and he's got the name of a shitty murderer. So that's terrible. Good for him. So July 2004, it's a preliminary hearing in Quebec Court Justice Joseph Tarasovsky rules that there is enough evidence to warrant a trial for murder, obviously, because two people watched him fucking do it. Tommy's mom testifies. She has to testify against him, which she has to. I mean,

what's she going to do? So terrible, though. She testified that he repeatedly punched Tammy. She said, quote, Tammy was laying down by the fridge. Tommy was bending down on his knees on top of her and he was just hitting and punching her. It was just horrific. And you can't, as a mother, I don't know how you would

want to go over and stab him yourself. This is terrible. This is the worst. This is so bad. On the killing, Dean Smith, his friend, said, quote, he said, what if my kids never want to speak to me again? That's what he said to me. I said to him, that's too late now. You should have thought of that before.

I said, you've got to live with that, Holmes. Yeah. You're not wrong. Fucking yeah. Dean Smith is the smartest guy. Yeah, you've got to live with that, Holmes. Yeah, he called him Holmes. Dean Smith is the smartest fucking guy in the story. No doubt.

Him and Tammy are the two people who have brains in their heads in this whole story. And the other guys, too, I guess. The other players that weren't, you know, in jail for killing their wives. September 8th, 2004. It's a court date to enter his official plea. Yeah. Because he pled not guilty in the original. And now they get all the charges all, you know, settled.

Right. Like a minor who sifted out all the shit. Both the prosecution and the defense, both of the psychiatrists are in agreement on Tommy. They both say that Tommy suffered from such severe depression at the time that he was not fully responsible for what he did. OK. Tommy, with this, the prosecution comes to him with this information because that's their psychiatrist saying that's not going to be great. No.

So they go to him with a deal and he pleads guilty that day. Surprisingly, everyone just showed up in court as a formality to do not guilty and he pleads guilty to manslaughter. Really? Pleads guilty to manslaughter. Prosecutor Lou, now it looks like about Hillier, but I'm going to go with Bouhillier probably. Bouhillier. Fucking Louis Bouhillier in France here or in Quebec said, quote, we did not have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Tommy Kane intended the death of his wife.

And he said that with an amazing suit on. And he said that looking impeccable in a tailored suit. Yeah, so they said because murder needs intent to kill. They're saying if he didn't know what he was doing, he could have not have intended to do anything, which I'd say if you beat someone and stab them in the throat repeatedly, it's pretty

fucking good intention. If you beat somebody, grab a knife, it gets wrestled out of your hand, and you go back for another one. He meant to kill her. While your mother screams, Tommy, no. Don't. Tommy, no. Like, good Lord. It's not even a stranger.

Your mother is screaming at you. This is bad. There are protests all over Montreal about this. Really? People are fucking pissed. Women's groups are pissed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Domestic violence advocates are pissed.

I thought you were saying that people were like, don't put him away. No, they're pissed. No, they want murder. They don't want any of this manslaughter shit. They want him going away for 30 years or something. So in an interview, Ava Shake, the sister who has been watching the kids and raising them, Tammy's sister, who's a great lady for doing this, she said, quote, I'm very disappointed. Someone can beat somebody to a pulp and then slash their throat and it's considered involuntary. These kids have a life sentence. They lost their mother

but he doesn't. So yeah, he doesn't have a life sentence but the kids do is what she's saying. She's not wrong either. Not wrong. I can't argue with this woman's logic. And she's got at least a 15, 16 year sentence to take. I mean, hate to say it like that because she's taking care of kids, taking care of her nieces and nephews, but

that's a huge responsibility. And they're damaged kids. They don't have their parents. It's tough. It's a lot. I don't even mean damaged like you shouldn't take care of them. I mean damaged like they need help. They were just told that their mom's never coming home.

Or their dad's going to be away a while. Like they need therapy. They need help. They're going to be difficult kids. They already knew the dad one day wouldn't be coming home. Probably. Yeah. I assume the mother sat them down and go, look.

Dad's a little fucked up. So October 5th, 2004 is a sentencing hearing. This is when they're all going to plead their case. Tommy cries in court here. He's in a bad place. He says that he didn't remember dragging her by the hair or banging her head or stabbing her and that he was just desperate to save his struggling marriage. That's what he says.

So you stab it? So you stab it. And here's his in their own words on this. This is him in court pleading for his life. In their own words, he turns and says this to Tammy's family, by the way. In their own words, quote, please forgive me. I know you guys hate me, but I'm sorry. I would have never hurt Tammy.

Never. Tammy was the sweetest person. I was going downhill. I couldn't do anything but put my face in a bucket of cocaine until my heart stopped, but it wouldn't stop. So he's trying to, they have no sympathy for you because their sister's dead and their daughter's dead. I mean, you never would have hurt her, but you did, bro.

You actually killed her. You stabbed her in the neck repeatedly. That'll do it. That's the spot. Yeah. That's the spot. It's there and the chest those are the big ones yeah that's generally where there's no fucking coming back from that yeah no i've

jesus christ september or october 4th so they do this this is the whole thing the sentencing hearing will be on november the 5th will be the the sentencing actual sentencing of everything uh november 5th 2004 the judge justice frazier martin who's a superior court justice up there gives a 30 minute speech to tommy before the sentence he laid the fuck into tommy boy can you imagine getting 30 minutes of you shouldn't have killed that guy of a tongue not just that of call i mean it's a tongue lasher it's a this is what's great about being a judge how this is someone who killed their wife, so you really get to say some shit. I would see this.

I can't imagine how great it would feel to do this to someone who killed somebody. I would do this to people in traffic. When I go to a fast food place and they put my napkins on top of my french fries so they get all fucking greasy and useless as a napkin, I want to rip that motherfucker. It has made them soggy because it can't get out because the ketchup's trapping it. Fuck, I thought about this a lot. Okay, moving on. And now the ketchup's all hot.

It's all hot. That's disgusting. It's shitty. It's terrible. The fries are soggy and the ketchup's hot. The fuck am I supposed to do that? Oh, they're all soggy. I want to wipe my hands.

Oh, wait. I can't. Napkin's full of grease. Fuck me. Never mind. I'm going to kill the son of a bitch in the window. That's what I feel. But he instead has a real reason to be mad at someone.

This judge, Frazier Martin, says, quote, he calls him manipulative, narcissistic, and says it was a senseless act by an estranged husband. And then he says, quote, by your act, Mr. Cain, four children are deprived of their mother. The circumstances of the homicide were particularly shocking. You, sir, may fuck off 18 years in prison for you. That's not bad. Which is actually really high for manslaughter. That's pretty good. That's as much as you can pretty much do for manslaughter.

So good. He can fuck right off. What year was that? This is 2004. 2004. Yeah, 2004. He's got at least until 22. Well, let's talk about it.

Okay. So Cain's lawyer, Richard Shadley, called the sentence harsher than usual and said that he hopes to convince Tommy to appeal, basically, even though he made a deal for this. I mean, no. Yeah, just be happy. Yeah. So he's in jail. 2005 through 2008, he is a menace to the staff in jail. Wow.

He's a complete fuck up in jail. He incurred 22 institutional charges. Holy shit, in three years. In the to the staff in jail. Wow. He's a complete fuck up in jail. He incurred 22 institutional charges. Holy shit, in three years. In the first three years in jail. Yeah. In 2008, he was transferred to a different pen, and then his behavior improves. He doesn't get in any trouble at all. So I think it was knucklehead people.

He adapts to where he is. That's the thing. So if it's knuckleheads, he's going to be a knucklehead. He was organized. Well, we'll find out here in a second. But Ava Shake, in 2010, the sister with the children, sues Tommy on behalf of both her sister and the four kids. Oh, this is fucked up.

For child support and emotional damages caused to the kids. I mean, I get it, but this is fucked up. Well, this is bad. We'll see here. Yeah. I already see where this is going. This is fucked up. She sues them for one point two million dollars. During the proceedings, Kane's attorney tries to make an

assertion that Tamara didn't feel any pain during the attack. There's no there's no pain and suffering for Tammy. She wasn't unconscious when she got stabbed the first time. So, yeah, Justice Clement Gascon has a word about this. Good. He says, quote, quote, the surprising assertion that Shake did not suffer any pain prior to the final blow is ridiculous. In the situation at hand, the pain and suffering of the deceased before her death is obvious. She must have realized the eminence of her death

as a result of the attack by Mr. Kane. Her death was not instantaneous. Mr. Kane had to reach twice for a different knife. Yeah. Fuck you, asshole. Exactly. So Quebec Superior Court Judge Clement Gascon awards Ava, not the full amount,

awards her $590,000 for her and the kids. Tommy, to pay this, must sell his mother's house to pay. So this is what I mean. That's where I was going. That's fucked up. They sell the house and that money is transferred to Ava. It's $171,000. That's all he's got.

That's all his mother's got, too. That's it. She's going back to Little Burgundy, too, with the rest of them, with him, too, when he gets out. Kane does not dispute the judgment because he can't, but he does say he's going to— in the lawyer, they say they're going to seek a lower amount because he just doesn't have that. It doesn't matter. The house is already gone. I mean, he has nothing else to sell at this point.

Now, the victim's advocates are coming out here. Yeah. This is a big deal. This is the first time up there where this has happened, where somebody like a victim like this has sued the guy and won from domestic violence. Really? For the kids. This is the first time.

So this is a huge victory. How about that? Yeah. The victim's advocate, Teresa Foster, said of Ava, quote, she's dealing with mixed emotions. She's pleased with it, and it's created a precedent for other women who have to travel that way. But there's no dollar amount that could replace her sister or the mother of the children lost, which obviously. Now, December 1st, 2015, there's a chance of problems, which led you to gaining insight into your offending and cognitive distortions. Your behavior while in custody has been positive, with the exception of you organizing and participating in a football gaming pool.

You were a bookie. He's a bookie in jail. You became a bookie in prison. Yeah. December 1st, still Parole Board of Canada makes the decision to approve Cain for day parole after he completes a series of escorted and unescorted leaves from the penitentiary. Now, day parole there is like work release. What were they gambling with? I mean.

Money. Drugs, money. You got soups. You got. Soups, drugs, everything. Keystone and Newports. What the fuck? That's everything. I'm sure.

So, yeah, this is basically they release you like on work release for six months to make sure you don't fuck up while you're out during the day. And then it goes to full parole because after this, his two thirds of a sentence, which is what you got to serve basically before you're pretty much automatically released, is up at the end of 2016. Oh, my God. So they want to get him at least in the program to where they have some control over what he's doing before they just let him out on parole completely. They want to at least get him in something.

So the day parole will last for at least six months, and he's required to take part in substance abuse programs and any other psychological counseling recommended by the parole officer. He has to do everything the parole officer says. He would be released after, like I said, serving the two-thirds. The psych workup, he has an outgoing psych workup, and, serving the two thirds. The psych workup. He has a site, an outgoing psych workup. And this is what they say. This is to Tommy. Quote, the most recent psychological and psychiatric assessments note that there are no symptoms present indicating a major mental disorder.

Therefore, we deem you a stable at present. Oh, my God. You have no major disorder. So you're stable at present. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Except for the fact that he chopped his fucking wife's neck up. Unbelievable. This is unbelievable.

So, for this release, Tamara's family requests special geographical limitations, at least, barring him from Ontario and Quebec. That's two whole fucking provinces. They have like 13 provinces or some shit. I don't know how many there is, but there's a few. There's like 11 or 13 or some shit. There's less than 20, and he's not allowed to go to two of them. That's a lot.

At least 20%. Yes, and he would also not be able to contact their family, the sheikhs, and the kids, nobody, unless approved by his parole officer, which I don't know why they would. And any contact with the family is completely forbidden. role officer, which I don't know why they would. And any contact with the family is completely forbidden. And yeah. So on November 26, 2016, Syracuse receiver Eda Tawu ties Kane's school record for 14 touchdowns in a loss to Pitt, where the team lost 76 to 61.

Holy shit. What a game. That's a fucking defensive output there. Yeah. So that's Tommy. They didn't even play the fucking defense. Not at all. They didn't even put him on the field.

They just ran plays like in Madden. They just ran without any defense. Like a practice. Practice run, yeah. We'll make the team blitz and then we'll throw long. They just put tackling dummies out there. That is Tommy Kane. He's out there.

Congratulations, Montreal. If you're walking around, watch out for a guy about 5'10", formerly athletic with coke around his nose. Make sure he doesn't have any knives on him. Stay the fuck away. Stay the fuck away. I hope the kids, I don't know, I kind of hope he gets his shit together and actually does something with his kids. I hope they're stable. Or at least pays for them or does something.

I just hope the kids, I don't even know. I hope that maybe the kids shouldn't have anything to fucking do with him. No, stay away from him. Stay away from him. We're going to do the, you just hope the kids... I don't even know. I hope that maybe the kids shouldn't have anything to fucking do with him. No, stay away from him. Stay away from him. We're going to do the you just leave your kids. Don't stay around and beat the shit out of them and make their lives worse. Don't ruin them. No, let's do that. So that's Tommy Kane. Holy shit.

Good God. What a disaster. That made me feel dirty. And that's what I mean. He is like OJ's little brother, basically. That is the OJ little brother. Even right down to the neck stabs. That's OJ's little brother. Right down That is the O.J. little brother. Even right down to the neck stabs, that's O.J.'s little brother. Right down to the murder weapon. It's sick. It's very fucking just sad that he had an opportunity to just keep it on.

He had a marketing degree. He went to college. He got a fucking degree. He could have went out, made 75 grand a year, lived like a normal person. But that ain't a life. He couldn't. He had the ego. That's no life.

Nope. He had to have it all, man. That's no life for an NFL star. Oh, God. He's a star. He's a star, baby. So that's Tommy Kane. person but that in a life he couldn't he had the ego nope he had to have it all man an nfl star oh god he's a star player he's a star baby so that's tommy kane guys if you liked that please go on itunes right now you can do it i know it takes a second but who cares sign in it this just took us you know how much that was i was translating french canadian shit you know how fucking hard that is so get on there i know that that's the doing this is easier than that just go in there

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