Crime in Sports - #68 - Pumped For Murder - The Brutalness of Bertil Fox

Episode Date: May 16, 2017

This week, we look at a man whose outer perfection masked an insecure, angry, and very dangerous inside that eventually earned him the harshest sentence in CIS history. He was a prodigy at his profession, but his brain didn't seem to grow with his body, leaving the circumstances perfectly set up for violence, and tragedy. This is a hilarious tale of strange people, doing strange, and ridiculous things, that ends in severe violence. Our kind of story!Eat a dozen eggs, inject yourself with steroids, and commit a double murder with "Brutal" Bertil Fox!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And it was amazing because if you look up, like they have the list of convicted criminal athletes on Wikipedia, you can look that up. It's the most incomplete list ever. He's not even on there. It's just the ones that were in the fucking newspaper that people were like, I'll jot that one down. He robbed three banks.

Right. This was pretty high profile. This should have been a lot more high profile. Yeah, he got shot in jail. Like, that's interesting. I'm sorry. That's a wild story. After being warned and pepper sprayed and then a warning shot, he kept going.

If you haven't listened to Patrick Coté yet, get your ass back there and listen to it. Holy hell. But tonight, oof, boy, do we have a wild one tonight. Good. This is, we're going to go back into another world. We haven't been in this world for about 45 episodes or so. Is it that long? It's been that long since we visited bodybuilding.

Oh, great. Was that the Vegas chopped up girl? Yeah, Craig Titus and his wife chopped the girl up and tried to set the car on fire. Stop trying to fuck more than one woman. Unbelievable. Well, shit, she was involved too, the wife. That's true. She's in jail too.

And Ann Johnson, we even gave her contact info for jail if you're looking for a date. She'll go along with anything. Yes. These are the funniest stories to me, these bodybuilder stories. And I will make sure not to say weightlifting because we got some shit last time. Weightlifting is a competitive event to see how much weight you can lift. Bodybuilding, it doesn't matter what you've lifted. It's just what you look like.

So that's a different thing. It's a sculpting thing. It's a posing. It should just be called posing. That's really what they're doing. It's bodybuilding. The money is in the posing. The trophies are the creepiest fucking things ever. Oh, man.

So let's do this into a tale, into a big, giant cauldron of violence and lack of self-confidence and homoeroticism. Pose it nicely, James. This is the most homoerotic episode ever in the history of the world. I have made some music for when one particular man speaks, so we're going to introduce a new segment that we'll never use again, probably, called The Gayest Man on Earth, I believe. And we have nothing against gay people at all. The fact that this guy doesn't think he's being gay is the funniest thing ever.

That's what's funny about it. And gay sex is hilarious. And as we've gone over before, it's hilarious. So let's get right to it with our friend of the week here is Bertil Fox. Bertil Fox. It looks like Bertil, B-E-R-T-I-L, but it's Bertil. Everyone pronounces it Bertil. So I'm going to actually pronounce it correctly.

Have that. I'll bet he went by Bert. Did he go by Bert? He just went Bertil. Everybody called him Bertil. Or Foxy. Everyone called him Foxy. Especially the bet he went by Bert. Did he go by Bert? He just went Bertle. Everybody called him Bertle. Or Foxy. Everyone called him Foxy. Uh-huh.

Especially the homoerotic guys. Yeah, yeah. He especially called him Foxy. Foxy was born on January 5th, 1951. He's born down in the island of St. Kitts. Oh. Down in the West Indies in the Caribbean. Yeah.

Beautiful island. Yeah. It doesn't get any nicer than that. Mai Tais and fucking pina coladas. Yeah. We'll get into his childhood here. But when he grows up, he grows up to be a stout guy. He's 5'8".

So he's your height. But he is 245 pounds of solid muscle. I mean, not an ounce of fat on the man at any time. Just jacked to the moon. I can't explain how muscular this guy is. I'm about 167 right now because I've been working out. Good for you. Not bragging.

Totally bragging. But to be that big, I'd just be eating constantly. I'd be fat as shit. I wouldn't even be able to get that big just with muscles. How do you do that? I have no clue. To be this stature and be that fucking wide. Well, you have to be genetically gifted, I think, too, is the thing.

I think probably his genetics are slightly better than yours, I'm going to say. Maybe. Mine, too. He eats like a farm of chickens every day. He does. His diet, we'll get into it. It's insane. So many chickens have to die for him to get that big.

So, yeah, he's from St. Kitt. Like I said, the island is nicknamed Sugar City. Okay. They nicknamed the whole island Sugar City. Sounds so sensual. Okay. It's a British Empire colony. Okay. They nicknamed a whole island Sugar City. Sounds so sensual. Okay. It's a British Empire colony. Okay.

Still a colony to this day, thankfully for him, as we'll get into later. Yeah. When Bertle was one, his family moved to London with him. They didn't leave him behind in tickets. His family moved. They left him by himself. He survived. He had to learn to fend for himself at a very young age.

Started eating a lot of fish, and that's how he got so lean. First, he learned how to walk, and then he was like, okay, now that I can walk, I'm going to support myself. He grew up in Kilburn in North London. Kilburn is a high population of black people from the Caribbean. That's like the neighborhood. It's the black Caribbean neighborhood, apparently. I don't know if it is now, but it was in the 60s and 50s and 60s. Grows up with both parents at first, has a normal childhood.

He's a very skinny kid, real skinny, wiry kid. He's one of those kids, athletic, skinny, wiry dude. By age 14, his father dies. Oh, no. Bertel's father dies, and it's left his mother and his siblings and him. Bertel at 14 tries to take over the role of breadwinner, but the only jobs you can get at 14 are manual labor. You're not going to get a job like, oh, OK, yeah, you can run our bank.

Come on in. There's your corner office. We were just looking for a CEO. This is so convenient. What do you think about interest rates right now? That's not coming up for you. I don't think at all coming up for you. Interest rates make me crazy. I love talking about finance. Don't you love it? Isn't it the best? So instead, he gets manual labor jobs, but he found them to be way too physically demanding for him. Surprise. Because he's a skinny 14-year-old kid that shouldn't be doing manual labor work.

This is not 1875. So it's a different thing here. He begins working out because he wants to be stronger. He's tired of being a weakling. He wants to work. There are pictures of him looking. I can't. It looks Photoshop, but it's not.

He looks so young. He looks like he's 10. But I know he's not. I know he's like 13, 14. Yeah. But he looks like he's 10 and he's jacked. Really? Ripped.

Every muscle popping off of him. He looks like those ads that you'll see on the internet that'll be obviously photoshopped, like child's face on a body. Even he's ripped after taking this pill. That's what it looks like. Some bullshit supplement ad?

Yeah, it looks ridiculous, but it's actually him. He's ripped. It's insane. He's shy about it at first he didn't want anyone to know he was training he didn't he was just shy he's he's a shy insecure guy and we'll get into that that plays a large role in his crime okay uh here uh he's still skinny and narrow-shouldered too as a small child's 14 50 and we know what what those little shoulders do to bodybuilders it makes them them fucking crazy. It makes them crazy. That's like ask Sally McNeil's husband.

Your shoulders are not developed enough. Episode 7, Sally McNeil. Get into your shoulders. Get into your shoulders. Episode 8, one of those two episodes. Love shotguns and a—love steroids and a pistol grip shotgun. That's it. The Ballad of Sally McNeil.

The worst Valentine's Day ever. The worst Valentine's Day ever. That chicken burnt to a crisp. Terrible. Terrible. You're going to need to listen to that episode. So dry. And we have to go over a lot of the bodybuilding stuff because our old episodes have a lot less people that listen to them than our newer ones.

It's like less than half the old episodes have. So we have to explain something you've already explained. Get back in here though. You should really do that. So he's shy, like I said, skinny, whatever. He works out with an older cousin of his and a friend of his named Phil Taupin, who he grew up with. And we'll talk to Taupin a lot over the course of the show here. He's not our guy.

That's not our guy. Ah, damn it. That sounds like a guy like that. What he does, it's amazing. He's an older guy now. He's probably 50-something in this video that I saw in this documentary, but he's still jacked. He's not ripped, but he's still jacked and big, and you can tell he keeps the ball down and works out. You better keep on it because you're going to get fat as shit if you stop.

That's the thing. So he's still not in 22-year-old shape, but for a 50-something-year-old guy, you're like, Jesus Christ, he's pretty big. Not too shabby here. Topping, oh my goodness. There is so much homoeroticism, and this isn't the guy I'm going to play the song for. Okay. But he even says something, and this isn't even part of it. He says, quote, we both loved the sport very much.

He must have been just as crazy as I was about muscle. From the time I was a kid, I was always crazy about it, you know, intrigued at having big muscles and looking at guys with great big muscles. He was the same. So that's the least gay thing that'll be said all day. The least gay. Bertel gets very, very much into the bodybuilding scene in London. He kind of found a home there because he's not from there from there.

His parents are immigrants. I mean, it's part of the British Empire, but they're still considered immigrants. He's, you know, he's he's trying to find a place for himself. His dad died. I don't think he was hanging out, had a lot of friends. He was mainly working and working out. And so and as a guy, I didn't have a dad forever. So I know what it's like to like not have your dad.

But that's got to be something like super special and super that ruins you because he had his dad. Yes yes and it was a normal childhood he enjoyed his dad right yeah and then his dad's gone and now he's got to be a man without him like that's got to really fuck you up and he was trying to you know work manual labor jobs being a real man right absolutely uh burtell gets very much into the scene people can see the uh potential in him because he's 14, 15 and they're like, wow, look at how he just, he touches

weights and muscles pop out. He's one of those guys, if he looks at weights, he's going to, his triceps are going to throb. He's just one of those guys. He hangs out at all the premier gyms in London. Everybody's welcome everywhere. Everybody likes him. Meets a bunch of bodybuilders that he looks up to. Maybe lusts after.

We're not sure. We're not positive. But he meets Arnold Schwarzenegger. There is a video, and I have quotes from it later on. There is a video from the early 80s of Arnold Schwarzenegger sitting right next to Berndl saying what a great person he is and what a great guy he is and how much he loves him. It's hilarious. And California voted for that guy.

They're like, this guy was a governor and he's sitting there. He's an actor. He's not a judge of character. I guy. They're like, this guy was a governor, and he's sitting there. He's an actor. He's not a judge of character. I'll say not. No, definitely not. So, yeah, he also meets Rick Wayne. Rick Wayne is a big professional bodybuilder and a famous guy, and he's from St. Lucia, which is near St. Kitts. And he's one of these guys that Bertel really looked up to.

Rick Wayne is our guy who we're going to play this music for. He's black. He's from St. Lucia, St. Lucian. Now, Wayne was a professional bodybuilder in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Tons of competitions. He was 1964 Mr. Europe. He was second in the Mr. Universe in 1964. Wow. First in 1965 in Mr. Universe. In 67, he won Mr. Universe and Mr. World. Wow. 69, he won Mr. Universe.

You know, he was Mr. World in 1970. He was killing it. He was amazing. And you look at him, too. He was jacked. He's a good-looking guy. He also, too, nowadays, he got out of bodybuilding in 74 was his last competition, and he got into politics, and he wrote books on bodybuilding and politics.

He has a show on the radio in St. Lucia that's a political show. Yeah, yeah. So he began writing regularly for, like, bodybuilding magazines, especially Joe Weider's magazines. Joe Weider will get it. He's the silver-haired, middle-aged white man of the group here. Okay. And we've had a few people somehow still ask us again about the silver-haired, middle-aged white man of the group here. Okay. And we've had a few people somehow still ask us again about the silver-haired, middle-aged white man.

That's the guy who, no matter what someone does, will happily help them get away with it if it makes them money. Right. That's that guy. In short, it's an abler that benefits. To the detriment of society, usually. That's what it is, basically. We have definitions for all of this.

That's great. Always. So Joe Weider has a muscle empire that we'll get into, but he writes for his Muscle Builder magazine and Flex magazine in the 70s and 80s. He also wrote for Muscular Development magazine in 1994, 95. He's written all these books, Rick Wayne. This is great. He's unbelievable. He's written It'll Be All Right in the morning women of the olympia

muscle wars pose down muscle talk with the champs is the subtitle of that one and uh foolish virgins oh i don't know what that one's about what does it say that women won again uh as written by a man women women of the olympia that's hilarious miss olympia competition written by a dude yeah because well i don't think empowering doesn't feel like he has a lot of interest in them in There he is. The Miss Olympia competition. Written by a dude. Yeah. Empowering. Doesn't feel like he has a lot of interest in them in that way, as we'll get into here. Also wrote, arms and shoulders above the rest, the body men, the body men two. Oh, boy.

It needed a sequel. I didn't like the way he left it off. It was a real cliffhanger. So he really, I'm glad he listened to the fans on that one. Too much character development, not enough closure. Yeah. And also three more reps, exclamation point. Oh, God.

He did that one. He does three more when you're tired? Fuck you. Three more. Now, that's not the funniest thing he ever did, too. He wrote all that stuff. He was also a recording artist. Oh, God. He was also a singer.

Unbelievable. The link to the discography was actually to an expired domain name. GoDaddy didn't re-up it? Called RickyWayneUniverse.com That's available now if you want anybody named Ricky Wayne out there wants to talk about the universe. But I

found it. I found, I hunted this shit down. We'll post it on our social media. You gotta hear the song. He had a, I guess a mild hit. I don't know if it's a hit. He had a song in 1960 called quote hot chickaroo. Oh my God. Oh Jesus. I heard it. That's the one. That's this guy. I'm sitting next to my mother-in-law and my, and myfather, and I played it. And they go, what is that? That's catchy. And I was like, it's just some shit song, and I can't wait to find out the real one. I sent it to Jimmy, and I'm like, I won't tell you why, but this song plays into our story. You're like, I can't wait to hear that.

It's such like a beach song. It's so knockoff Elvis. It's just knockoff Elvis. Well, it almost kind of sounds very beach. Like Blue Hawaii. Yeah, Beach Boys kind of shit. Kind of, but his voice, he sounds like he's trying to be like Elvis-y sort of. It's like this mix of like-

Chickaroo. Hot Chickaroo. It's Caribbean Elvis. And in the song, he is clearly trying not to have an accent. You know what I mean? It's like he's trying to enunciate everything. Hot chickaroo. Hot chickaroo.

Good God. Isn't that great? Hot chickaroo. Yeah. It's like what a guy that's closeted in the 50s says about women when he's like, that's what they call them, right? Hot chickaroo. Like a guy now would be like like i realize vaginas are sexy i don't think you

like vaginas at all i don't think you find them sexy at all when you hear like somebody describes something and you're like i don't think they've even ever seen that you know you know how when it when that vagina looks like a looks like a looks like a kiwi and you're like what mother what are you talking about unbelievable man so but then he makes you a question like have i really looks like a kiwi, and you're like, what? I don't know. Unbelievable, man. But then he makes you a question like, have I really even ever seen a vagina if it looks like a kiwi? I don't know. What he's talking about.

Like when you cut it open or like when it's out? I haven't seen enough vaginas apparently. I don't know what's going on here. I've got to get me a hot shikaroo and have her show me. Hot shikaroo. Hey, hot shikaroo, get over here and show me your vagina. I want to look at it and make sure it looks like a kiwi. What a stupid fucking phrase.

Hot chickaroo was produced by a guy named Joe Meek. It was apparently a- What year did it come out? 1960. Okay, so it's relevant. Relevant? It's relevant. It's-

For its time. You could tell they were like, what's hot right now? Right. Beach shit and Elvis. Right. We're going to do Elvis at the beach. Let's do it. Get in the fucking studio. Make up a word about women.

Hot chickaroo. That sounds good. That sounds like a very 50s word. Hot chickaroo, that one. I'll tell you. And then you order a steak and a scotch for lunch. You know what I mean? Smoke three cigarettes.

Pretending to be a man. Yeah, you smoke while you eat. That's what it seems like. Yeah, smoke while you chew on a rare fucking steak absolutely so yeah wayne would become a mentor to burtell so this is his mentor hot chickaroo guy okay we have uh a quote here work out to that fucking song the way do you hear what he posed to at one of his wow this is so homoerotic. It's so funny. This is so fun. My girlfriend, Sarah, who does our social media,

say hi to Sarah if you get on our social media and also co-host PS, I hate this movie with me. She came in the room while I was watching this documentary that I got some

of this info out of and there's just... She stood there for like 10 seconds and goes, what the fuck are you watching? It's just oiled up guys flexing to music and she was like, what are you watching? It's just oiled up guys flexing to music.

And he was like, what are you watching? James, why is your dick out? I'm like, look, yeah. Look, I'll put my dick away when I'm getting ready, all right? I got to get into the heads of these guys, and I have to be completely gay to do that. So we are going to introduce our music for when Rick Wayne speaks. That's hard. Rick Wayne. That's hard to say. We are going to introduce our music for when Rick Wayne speaks. That's hard. Rick Wayne.

That's hard to say. That's good. We are going to introduce our music. It's sexy. Let's get our sexy music playing. There. Oh, isn't that sexy, Jimmy? You like that, don't you?

Okay, let's get it going now. Should I put my dick away? Put your dick away. Put your dick away. Let's play it. Here he says about Birtle. Okay. Rick Wayne says, quote, it seems like I've known Birtle ever since he was a baby. When I was competing

in my heyday in London, Birtle was about 14, 15, but a 14, 15-year-old that everybody talked about. Here was a guy that seemed to be born to be a bodybuilder. Black bodybuilders, it's generally accepted, have a problem with calves. Few black bodybuilders start off with good calves. This is something

we always said that the white guys were born with, the propensity to have great calves. Bertl had good calves, always. His proportions were impeccable. Yeah. He's essentially the Mike Piazza of bodybuilding. Yes, he is the Mike Piazza. That's the least gay thing he says.

The opening. Everything else he says, you're like, did he just fucking say that? Is he no? Isn't there a guy next to him going, I don't think that's what you mean. That sounds kind of racist. I've seen some basketball players with unbelievable calves.

It's true. I've actually heard this. I had a, I have a friend of mine who's actually also from St. Lucia, oddly enough. Really? Yeah. He's also from St. Lucia and he was a big workout nut and, you know, get himself all jacked up and that he

would come in and bitch constantly. Really? Going, fuck it. No matter what I do, my fucking calves, man. I can't get my calves. Can't get my calves. He would say that shit too. He's like, black dudes have shitty calves.

What? It's like a thing in the black weightlifting community that they have shitty calves. I don't know that. I don't see. I've seen some basketball players with crazy calves. I never look at a black guy's calves, to be honest with you. Well, whenever they're like panned from the back of them when they're at the free throw line, you see those softballs in the back of their legs yeah yeah those are the crazy i don't

know what it is but yeah apparently black bodybuilders have terrible calves i don't know what it is someone's fascinating it's not us saying it we don't know i don't know what fucking calves anybody has and i don't really care to be honest with you but apparently according to a black bodybuilder that's been a thing in their world forever fascinating interesting so a bodybuilding judge an old irishman named ivan dunbar, said that Bertle was a very shy young man. He was easily embarrassed. He says, quote, what he didn't know and certainly wasn't aware of, but other people, when they looked at him, they saw a potential champion. So that's what he was, a shy kid that was just kind of, you know, still like kind of embarrassed that he was working out.

And everyone else was like, holy shit, this guy could be Mr. Universe. And he's just like, I don't know. Maybe he just felt bad because he had great calves. I think that's what he is. He was just kind of. Everybody else has these shitty calves. I don't want to make everybody feel bad. They got to work out in pants all the time.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. He wraps towels around his legs to work out. He's like, no, no, you don't want to do it here. You don't want to see these. It's going to make you feel bad. Now we have Taupin. He just towels around his legs to work out. He's like, no, no, you don't want to do it here. You don't want to see these. It's going to make you feel bad. Now we have Taupin. Phil Taupin, his friend, said, quote, Bertl was gifted genetically like very few people are.

I've never seen another bodybuilder grow that fast in my life. Never. I mean up to now. Every year Bertl was bigger than the year before. He was a freak bodybuilder. I mean he wasn't just like a guy who, hey, he worked out. He was decent. He was a phenomenon as a bodybuilder.

Like that's how good he was. That how i'm good it's not a skill that's how jacked he was i guess would be the thing you'd say it's not like oh that's how good he was in basketball yeah or like you worked on a skill he was dude he would pose and like no one could pose like him that's a weird thing i don't know that's a weird thing to say so it's not really a skill so much as it is a thing that you have i mean i. I don't fucking know. It's so strange to be good at it. But it's really all it is is just genetics in terms of can your body turn into what you need it to turn into. You're doing the same thing everybody else is doing. You're just turning into something better.

It's your genetics. It's your, I assume, your work ethic too. Whether you can, you know, you have to diet exactly the right way and work out exactly the right way. Not go to birthday parties and eat the fucking cake. Not eat the cake. Not eat the French fries. You have to be that guy right way and work out exactly the right way. Not go to birthday parties and eat the fucking cake. Not eat the cake. Not eat the french fries. You have to be that guy. Guys are so good.

I know. But Bertl, he's at home in the bodybuilding world. Late in homosexuality and all. He doesn't care. He's into it. Chicken and eggs all day. That's it, man. Bertl, he is on an insane diet, by the way, speaking of that.

Insane diet that we'll talk about. How many calories has he taken in? He eats 10 meals a day. What? At this point in time. He's just shitting and eating all day. How many calories has he taken in? He eats 10 meals a day. What? At this point in time. He's just shitting and eating all day. How does he have time to work out? I don't even know how.

That's what I mean. His shits have to be. He can't even shit. It's got to probably shit out in the yard because it's not going to go down the toilet. He just shits wherever the bench is. He's just shitting all over the bench. I mean, what is he? It's probably like a fucking.

It's got to be so dense. The size of someone's forearm. And it's got to be dense. And dense. That's what I mean. what is he? It's probably like a fucking... It's got to be so dense. The size of someone's forearm. And it's got to be dense. And dense. That's what I mean. So dense. How does he not blow his asshole out with these things? Probably four inches wide and dense.

Coming out like a... So terrible. Man, coming out like a missile. So fast. Coming in hot. And his muscles, his abs are so strong. Oh, he could fire it right out. He could probably hit you from across the room with that thing.

He could blast it through a wall. Oh, my God. He's fucking toilets up. probably hit you from across the room with that thing. He blasted through a wall. Oh, my God. He's fucking toilets up. Watch out for Birtle if he's shitting, boy. He'll blast it through a porcelain sidewall in a second. Absolutely. Also, too, his workouts are sick. He's known his nickname.

He has a nickname. His Brutal Birtle. Yeah. And his nickname is Brutal Birtle because of his workouts. And because nobody's clever enough to think of anything else. They couldn't think of anything else. They're dumb as fuck. Everybody just said he does the most

brutal workouts and he became brutal brutal. That was it. Nobody works out like him. Or they saw what he did to the toilet and they're like, that dude's brutal. Yo, you see the hole in the wall? Brutal. Little cats and everything. He brutal. They went through both sides of the

drywall. We'll detail the workout actually in case anybody wants to duplicate it out there. I'm going to give it a shot. You should give it a shot, Jimmy. I'm going to the gym now. I'm working out crazy now. Well, you will last about the first three reps of this, probably, and then you'll die, I would think, and your spine will snap and you'll fall over.

I'd love to hear it. You'll be about the size of a birdle shit laying on the ground. So he's doing that. He also begins taking a ton of steroids too at this point because it's one thing that you can be in shape and you can be jacked, but you cannot be Mr. Universe level, every muscle bulging out of your body

unless you're on steroids. Without it, yeah. You have to have it. Let's not. For a long time, we'd see people, and this is in every sport. I remember as a kid when the steroid scandal hit wrestling because they had vince mcmahon on trial and all that i remember sitting with my friends

going like going through all the wrestlers being like well that guy's not on steroids well that one's probably not on they were all on fucking steroids yeah we were like a macho man's not on steroids yes he is yeah macho man weighs a buck 75 when he wasn't on steroids like that's what brett hart we're like bre Brett Hart's not on steroids. Yes, he was. He has to be. Look at their chest and their abs. They have to be to look like that.

We're like Roddy Piper, wasn't? Yes, he was. You see him after steroids? He's half the size. I mean, guys like that and in baseball too. Look, that guy's not on steroids. Yes, he was. He had 50 home runs one year of his career.

Every other year he had 12. Probably on steroids. Brady Anderson. That one was for Brady Anderson. Luis Gonzalez, you son of a bitch. Yeah. Brady Anderson's the most obvious example, Mr. I think it's Luis, because he went for legit 2001 when they won. He had

like 48 or something, or 52. It was crazy. 57. 57? As a matter of fact. Okay, the very next year he had like 14. Yeah, yeah, but he was also getting old. Brady Anderson had like... I don't want to hear getting old nine months later. No, no. He had 12 a year, Brady old. Brady Anderson had like... I don't want to hear getting old nine months later. He had 12 a year, Brady Anderson. He was a leadoff hitter.

Luis would hit 22 or something before that. He was a leadoff hitter, and then he hits 51 one year? Are you fucking kidding me? At the number one spot? It's an unnecessary home run. Yeah, so these guys are definitely on steroids. They're all jacked to the moon. 1969, he competes in the Mr. Britain Contest, the NABBA Mr. Britain Contest.

NABBA is the first, and this is what they say on their website, it's the first and original competition, competitive bodybuilding association. Formed in 1950, NABBA's first Mr. Universe Contest was won by Steve Reeves, who actually went on to play Hercules in a shitload of Hercules movies. Yeah. If you're a mystery science theater fan, there's a few of them that he's in that are on there. Like all these shit, terrible Hercules movies. He didn't speak English. Was there a good one?

You know what I mean? But these were like low budget, like 50s, 60s, like sci-fi. They were terrible. They made Godzilla look quiet quality. Like they were really bad shit. Any Godzilla movie's bad. They're all terrible. Top bodybuilders who won the Mr. Universe title include Arnold Schwarzenegger, who won four times.

Wow. Arnold Schwarzenegger's a big Mr. Universe guy. That's awesome. In the late 60s. I think he was 68, 69, 70. So amazing. Yeah, he was great back then. Bill Burr has the best bit

ever about him. Every piece of his life and showing just how amazing he is. He really is everything that every man should ever want to be. The guy's amazing. He is.

And everything. He also like groped a shitload of people. Yeah, but he never fucks up. That wasn't great though. That wasn't, well he groped a bunch of people. Yeah, but he didn't get caught.

He got caught. That's all I know about it. It doesn't hurt him, though. You know what I mean? No, no, that's true. It never hurt him. That's one thing. It never hurt him.

The only thing that hurt him was when he fucked an ugly housekeeper. That's the only thing that hurt him. And it still didn't really hurt him. I didn't see the housekeeper.

I can't make a judgment on her looks. She was not a gorgeous woman. Arnold, I will say this. For a guy that came to America from somewhere else barely speaking English, he did okay. He crushed it. He killed it. He did okay.

He became a movie star and a governor and you name it. And married a Kennedy. Those are ridiculous goals to have. And he was Mr. Universe on top of it. Silly as shit. He beat that. Yeah. So this 1969 NABBA tournament here, competitive competition, I guess, meet, I don't know what

the fuck you call these things. He wins Mr. Britain Jr. first overall. Really? So he's the junior Mr. Britain here. Not too shabby. 1970. He's a junior? Competes in it again.

No, he's not a junior. But by title, he's a junior. He's a junior. I think there's like junior, and I think there's like pro and amateur. And he's an amateur, so I think that's junior. Gotcha. I think he's a junior. He's a junior. I think it's I think there's like junior and I think it's like pro and amateur. And he's an amateur. So I think that's junior. I think that's the way it works. That's how he got his junior status. That's how he got his junior status. There's a junior

in here somewhere, guys. No matter where it is, we'll figure it out. We'll find a goddamn junior. We'll hunt that son of a bitch down and we will get him. 1970 competes again. He's first again. So two years in a row. Also by 1970, he has a girlfriend, and he's living with her, and they start having kids by 1970, which he's 19 years old, going on 20. He has a son named Sean.

Never really sees Sean much. He's at the gym. That's what it is. Ruining toilets. Destroying them. Clogging them. Imagine that gym. They probably didn't even have toilets. They probably just had like a giant sinkhole. It's a it is. Toilet. Destroying them. Clogging them. Imagine that gym. They probably didn't even have toilets.

They probably just had like a giant sinkhole. It's a trough. A giant sinkhole with a really strong, you know, like a shop vac suction in it. It just goes down there. If you shit on the other side of the room, it'll take it away. Water just constantly running to try to soften it all up. You have to. You have to. There's special chemicals.

It's a disaster. We're so gross as hell. This is gross. So he never sees his son. He does financially support his children, but he doesn't pay any attention to them whatsoever. We talked to his son later. Not me. I didn't talk to him, but he was spoken to in this documentary.

And his son was just basically like, yeah, you know, it's tough to be a dad and it's tough to have a dad who's all around and going everywhere. And he didn't really he basically felt like he wasn't wanted. And at the end of this interview, the kid says, like, he's like, look, you know, like, you know, my parents, maybe they weren't ready. My dad wasn't ready. He's like, maybe if you're not ready to have kids, like maybe don't have kids that young or maybe not at all. And I'm like, maybe not at all. I'm like, thank you.

Stop having fucking kids, all of you. How does that guy get it? He figured it out because he's a victim of this shit. He's a victim of it. I agree. I want you to want it. I want you to fucking want it. I want you to have two dogs that you've treated like children, like an asshole, put stupid hats on them and everything, but you've trained yourself.

You already have a fucking room ready. Otherwise, I don't care. Pills, condoms, get your fucking tubes tied, snip your ball sacks otherwise i don't care pills condoms get your fucking tubes tied snip your ball sacks i don't give a have a fucking junkie punch you in the stomach a couple times a month i don't give a shit don't have kids unless you want them unless you've actually thrown a birthday party for a plant that's the only way you get to have a kid sick of the shit unless you're one of those people who are just like we just want one so bad and we have everything ready and there's already a college fund, then feel free.

We've got a room painted. Yeah. Otherwise, no. And it's all the most up-to-date shit. Oh, man. So at the same time, this is 1970, he's winning these competitions. He's getting famous. He's getting a big, but it pays no money.

No. It pays no money at all. It's nothing. It's worse than comedy. It's way worse than comedy. It's way worse than comedy. It takes way much more time. Yes, comedy takes way much more time. We don't have to eat 10 meals a day to do comedy.

I've got to eat 10 meals today. I've got a show tomorrow night. That doesn't work at all. I need paper and a pen. That's it. The more hungry and miserable I am, the funnier I am. So it actually works. It's actually a good thing.

Don't let us be too successful because then I'll not be funny anymore. Then I'll quit. I'll quit and it'll'll not be funny anymore. Then I'll quit. I'll quit and it'll suck. Give me some money, I'll quit. That's the way to keep them doing it. They need the money. That's what it is. So he is working a regular job.

At the same time, he's working as a driver for the London Underground, the subway, I guess that is down there. He's like a subway driver. That's what he is. He's a subway conductor. That's his job. And he does that at night and he's working out and doing the competitions during the day you will pay your your transit fee for sure if that man's behind the wheel yeah what do you have giant fuck ticket you're like yeah there it is go ahead i got two jesus christ

i got two yeah here i bought an extra just in case you need one i got one for you let somebody else on for free oh no i won't go in the bathroom after you've been in there. Don't worry. So working out is his passion, though. And his friends say he bitched about the London Underground job like crazy. He would say that, quote, he hates running around the tunnels like a rat. Running around the tunnels like a rat. And he said, I can't wait just to get out of here.

The trains are too light. They're not even a challenge to bench press anymore.'m trying i pushed a couple over and i was like man i tried to do some isometric shit on the side everything's so light or down here so light and the bathrooms just do not handle what i have to offer them uh but his friends also said that he just said he's just gonna keep this job he just had his eyes on the prize though i'll give him that yeah he didn't just say i'm not gonna work he went in he worked and he's just going to keep this job. He just had his eyes on the prize, though. I'll give him that. He didn't just say, I'm not going to work. He went in, he worked, and he's like, look, I'm going to do this until the bodybuilding thing takes off,

and I blow up and make lots of money, and then I'm never coming back to this shit. That's what he said, and he was, you know, his friends were like, he might actually be able to do that. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that.

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Yeah. They're a little... I mean, the people at my gym, they're just... Like, you can see that they really focus on it. They're some weird fucking guys. They're weird. And back... They're weird now.

Yeah. But even now, like, regular people go to the gym. Right. And they don't, like, work out to get jacked, but they go to... Back then, regular people didn't go to the gym. Yeah. Like, you'd to get jacked, but they go to. Back then, regular people didn't go to the gym. You'd go walk around your block if you wanted to exercise or something. You didn't go to the gym unless you were a bodybuilder. Period. Like Susan Powder or

something at home. You didn't be like, I'm going to go get some cardio done at the gym. That's not what you did. You just got to jog around the block if you wanted to do cardio. So they were considered weirdos back then. Especially back then. They were like, what are they doing? They're eating all this food. They go to a place and congregate.

That's bizarre. And eat food and work out and pose and stare at each other. And this is before CrossFit. Yeah, this is what I mean. Working out was not just cool for, you know, a soccer mom. This was like only you had to be a weirdo to work out. And then to work out like this, you had to be extra crazy, basically. So Ricky Wayne, let's fire up the music.

Awesome. We got a Ricky Wayne quote here. Oh, boy, here we go. This one isn't that gay, but it's funny. But we're still going to play the music because everything he says is good. Here it goes, the music. Boom. Quote, we didn't care that there were people who thought that we were freaks or had security problems.

They don't know. Most of them are just unfit, skinny little runts. They are getting their rocks off, these little skinnies picking on the big guys. That the big guys have no brains and that they're just insecure, bloated people. What is he even talking about? He's got nicknames for guys that don't work out.

Skinnies. Little skinnies. The little skinnies. The little skinny punks. I'm telling you guys. Then he goes on. Let's fire up the music again because this is extremely gay. Ricky Wayne.

In another quote here, he says, quote, let me tell you this. There's an orgasmic feel and a long-lasting orgasmic feel about working out and your endorphins and your muscles pump up with blood. So only we can explain to you what it feels like to go to the gym and pump up. Let them laugh. They will never know. That's the same quote that Arnold gave in that documentary where he's like, when I work out, I calm. So it's like calming when you work out.

It's fantastic. What all of these fucking weirdos say. I wonder why we think you're weird. I don't know. You're basically having the same experience as watching a woman undressed, you creep. You're shitting cinder blocks and saying weird things about your blood and orgasm. And then jerking off to your 100-pound barbells, you weirdo. It's so strange.

But in 1971, he wins Mr. Britain again. Mr. Britain, the NABBA junior, and he's number one. Also, Bertel wins Mr. Europe junior number one so look at him he's a junior look at that now like I said he earned the nickname brutal to his workouts and wow his workouts let's talk about his workouts

at this moment in time this is what they're saying a typical workout might look like and this is like what he did here I don't know what any of this shit means I'll tell you if I know. If you know. Okay. Easy bar curls, six sets, six to eight reps, 200 pounds weight.

No idea. Max weight. Incline dumbbell curls, six sets, six to eight reps, 80 pounds max weight. That's where you're laying inclined. Yeah. Dumbbell concentration curls, six sets, six to eight reps, 60 pounds max weight. No fucking idea. Barbell preacher curls.

I don't know if that's if you grab a little boy and pull him toward you. Six sets, six to eight reps, 155 pounds max weight. One-arm cable curls, six sets, six to eight reps, 60 pounds max weight. Lying extensions, six sets, six to eight reps, 200 pounds max weight. Lying extensions, six sets, six to eight reps, 200 pounds max weight. Bench dips, six sets, six to eight reps, 135 pounds on legs. Oh, my God. Max weight. Do you know what that is?

That's when you take two benches, you put your feet up on one, you put like a plate of weights, whether it's, what did you say, 150 pounds? Which one is this, bench dips? Yeah. 135 pounds on legs. 135 pounds. You put that on your thighs and you you dip down oh i saw him doing that that that sounds that's crazy that's putting a teenager on

your lap and doing i'm doing that it's not holy shit it does that's i mean everyone like marveled at this uh one arm dumbbell overhead extension six sets eight to ten reps, 60 pounds max weight. Oh, God. Push downs, six sets, eight to ten reps, 250 pounds max weight. And one arm push downs, six sets, eight to ten reps, 100 pounds max weight. Good God. Holy shit. That's so much weight. It's fucking insane. That's pushing huge amounts of weight around the room.

That's crazy. It says, yeah, Bertle Fox's, I wrote this part down here, Bertle Fox's arms, the ability to do chins with over 200 pounds strapped to his weight. What? Curls with nearly 300 pounds and slow concentration curls with 100 pound dumbbells just to show how powerful his arms were. It sounded like you just said he was doing chin-ups with 200 pounds wrapped around his waist. 200 pounds strapped to his waist. What the fuck? And then doing curls with 300

pounds i'm doing like 10 chin-ups with my just my body weight and it fucking hurts yeah no he's 235 plus 200 pounds that's what i mean 435 pounds upward it's fucking nuts is it not nuts this is the craziest thing i've ever heard in my life and that's why everybody was like in awe of him because they're like genetically clearly he's superior. And then on top of that, no one works out like him. No. He's brutal. Look at what he's doing. That's ridiculous.

It's wild. On top of all of this, to, you know, fuel this, he eats 10 times a day, like we said. Of course, yeah. Eats 10 times a day. Here's a little story from a guy who went to see him. It was a reporter that went to talk to him and spend a day. Here's a little story from a guy who went to see him. It was a reporter that went to talk to him and spend a day with him. And he gets to the hotel room and he was stuck

in a hotel room, basically needed to order some food. It was the morning. He orders 12 poached eggs. And he wants a dozen poached eggs. And that's one meal. Yeah, that's a start. That's a start of a meal. And the restaurant at the hotel that he called for for room service they laughed at him and hung up on

and so he's like well what the fuck dude like and he called back and they thought he was joking they just kept hanging up on him and so finally his manager uh don't make me come down there and his manager gets on the phone with him and and the manager says quote telephoning room service i explained that I was speaking on behalf of one of the world's top bodybuilders, that he existed on a very high-protein diet, and that he required straightaway 12 lightly poached eggs. After a brief interchange, they assured me that the order was on its way. Bertel grunted and nodded his head in semi-approving fashion. He's like, I'm going to eat that shit. There was an article called Fox on the Run, and it's like a day with Bertel grunted and nodded his head in semi-approving fashion. He's like, I'm going to eat that shit. There was an article called Fox on the Run. It's like a day with Bertel Fox.

It's like 1984 or something. It's all stories like this. It's this and then him being like, well, if you've got to find me a gym, I'm just going to go find some shit to lift. I'm just going to go lift a bug real quick. Literally, he's like, if you don't find me a gym, as soon as I'm done with these eggs, I'm just going to go out and find something to lift is what he said. Like, I don't care. Go lift a chicken coop and find me some poached eggs because I've got to have these eggs. I don't give a shit.

I'll go, yeah, that's the thing. All you would have time to do is work out and eat. It's like when you hear people back in the day, they're like, that guy smoked five packs of cigarettes a day. It's like, how? That's all he did. How much time did he have? That's all he did, just chain smoke. You'd have to have one lit constantly.

That's why I don't, when I see i see these people that are like jacked like that i'm just like i don't i don't envy you i don't have time for that i admire that you've got your life together in a fashion that that's all you do and you're proud of it you've got your shirt off and stuff good for you but look i got shit to do i don't i can't be at the fucking gym all day long i'm not i'm and that's why when when they have this this this uh i don't know preconceived notion of what a woman's supposed to look like, it's like, yeah, but that woman does that shit all fucking day long. That's all she does is build herself for sex or to be uber. Sex for, yeah.

That's how she feels good, to look like that? But she has no time to do fucking anything else. So stop admiring that. Some people are like that. Get to a point where you feel good. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, well for him, he only felt good when every last vein in his body was

popping out. My point is you should never know that you feel good doing that at that point. You should never know how good that feels. Because you're at a point that's all you fucking do. Where you're calling room service and ordering 12 poached eggs. That's a ridiculous lifestyle. That's ridiculous and that's just to start yeah then he's gonna work breakfast then he's gonna go eat more that's his snack before breakfast he's gotta go eat a bunch of

chicken breast i'm kind of envious because i can't eat a bunch of steak drives me nuts i can't eat eggs i shit everywhere within three hours of solid bricks no it's like it would go through a screen door and not touch a wire. Well, that's a shame. That's much different. That's the grossest thing we've said so far, I think. We've had horrible murders that weren't that gross, my friend. That is terrible.

I can't eat eggs. Anyway. Poor Jimmy can't eat eggs. And poached eggs are amazing. They're my favorite ones. Well, he likes them. Twelve of them at a time. That's crazy.

That's just to start. That's so much food. That's just to start, though. And how do you... Like, thinking about looking that on a plate, that just so much food. That's just a start, though. Thinking about looking that on a plate, that's so much eggs. Where do you even start with that thing? I figure he just puts them in a big pile and just sticks his – he doesn't even hold – he just holds his fork like a four-year-old. It's got to be gross.

Yeah. He just digs in and nails it. Yeah, with his hand. You make a fist around the handle? Nah, nah. That's what he's doing. That's it, man. Like a four-year-old. Like a four-year-old. That's it. So he's on the handle. Nah, nah. That's what he's doing. That's it, man. Like a four-year-old.

Like a four-year-old. That's it. So he's on this diet. He's doing that crazy shit, insane fucking workout that even the bodybuilders think is crazy. And 1976, he's competing again. He wins Mr. Britain again. This time, not the junior category. This is the pro category this time.

I think he was waiting for Ricky Wayne to stop doing it, maybe. Yeah. That's a possibility. He was doing Universe. Then he also enters and wins Mr. Europe. He's first in the medium category. I don't know if that's... He's about a medium, that guy. He's 5'8". That's medium.

That's medium. I don't know. We're medium guys. Medium. And also, he's the overall winner. So he's best in show, I guess you could call it. He wagged his tail and shook his ass. He's a Duchamp, we say. Everybody liked him, yeah. He started competing in the Mr. Universe competition, something we know here in 1976.

Like I said, Arnold was Mr. Universe, 68, 69, 70. He is Mr. Universe. He comes in second in the Mr. Universe that year in his first competition in the medium category again. Now, Mr. World, he wins. This is an AAU event, not the basketball tournament, people, but something else. He wins Mr. World. Also at the Mr. Worlds, he's first place in the most muscular category. My God.

And he wins the medium category as well. He was the shit. He was the shit. In short, he was the shit. He was the shit. He also was very insecure about, like I said, where he was from. Yeah. That's fair.

He wants to be British, damn it. I'm British. I'm not an Islander. Yeah. He even says he just wants to be considered British. He once said, I'm 100% British. I think I act and I talk like an Englishman, not someone from the West Indies. Okay.

I don't know what that means, but- The West Indies are amazing. There's a lot of people from the West Indies that are worth a shit what that means. The West Indies are amazing. There's a lot of people from the West Indies that are worth a shit. They don't eat 12 poached eggs down there. You know what I mean? They can't afford them. They pay with them.

Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. I would like two shirts. That will be seven poached eggs. Yeah, I'm telling you, man. Now, in 1977, Mr. Universe, the amateur competition, it's a close competition between Bertl and another bodybuilder. Last name is Newberry. Now, this Newberry was more experienced.

He'd been around a while more, and he was kind of the favorite, even though Bertl was the up-and-coming. He's the guy who's the most talented, obviously. Bodybuilders describe, this is a couple of them describing New newberry and it's the gayest thing i've ever heard here's this one guy this is not ricky wayne we'll get to ricky wayne in a second here he says quote newberry looked very good very sharp very muscular very classical beautiful package but uh i'm getting goose pimples now just thinking about it that was a grown man and he said it just like that, like longingly. He stopped. He went, but, uh, I'm getting goose pimples right now just thinking about it.

Thinking about his classical beautiful package is getting goose pimples. Know what you're saying. Be aware of what the fuck you're saying into a camera. Self-awareness goes a long way. Into a camera. Wow. So during this competition, Bertirtle is insanely popular. Yeah.

He just comes out and he's just, I mean, he's jacked. It's just ridiculous. During the judging, because they're all waiting there. They have the top five guys on stage. The crowd starts chanting for him. Like the crowd is chanting. For a bodybuilder. Wait till you see later on.

They get up in the middle of his pose. It's like he'll do a pose and half the crowd jumps up like standing up. He gets a standing O for a fucking. Like a guy did it. Not even at the end of his thing. He'll turn and hit a pose and people jump up like a guy hit a three-pointer with two seconds left. They're like, oh, shit. Oh, my God.

Like they got money on the game. It's fucking unreal. I don't know what constitutes that. It's like when people get really excited about dancing. They're like, did you see that? I'm like, I don't know if that was good or not. I don't know if dancing is good. I don't know what constitutes that. It's like when people get really excited about dancing and they're like, did you see that? I'm like, I don't know if that was good or not. I don't know if dancing is good. I don't know what dancing is good.

He didn't fall down. So, yeah, I guess that's good. That's amazing. Yeah. During this, the judges, during this, the crowd started chanting beef, beef, beef, which means pose. It means flex, I guess. Beef it, Birdle.

Show us the beef. Beef it, Birdle. Beef it. Because they want him to keep posing during the show because that's how they can't get enough of seeing him pose. So creepy. That's how they're all interested in his classical package. That's all I know.

They all got goose pimples. Man, they want him to pose and show off his beautiful package. So then the crowd, all of his supporters rushed the stage and they're like on top of the judges to get close to Birdle to chant at him more. What the fuck? So the judges are super uncomfortable and they're like on top of the judges to get close to burdle to chant at him more what the fuck so the judges are super uncomfortable and they're scared like they're like well he's got a winner else they're gonna kill us basically we're surrounded by people screaming and chanting it's like a comedy contest posing yeah that's what it is this is a popularity contest yeah but they said what are we gonna do what else are we gonna do so mr universe winner

number one overall amateur in the amateur division. He wins 1977 Mr. Universe in the medium category, and he's also the overall winner. I mean, he should have probably won anyway, but he was winning no matter what. His calves were killing it. Fucking calves, man. I'm telling you. So he wins that. While this is going on, this is 1977, he's still working for London Underground.

Really? He's going through all this. He's still driving the train. he's still working for London Underground. Really? He's going through all this. He's still driving the train. He's still got the same job. Yeah. He's got a nine to five job or a nighttime shift or whatever. Yeah, whatever shift. He's going in for an eight hour shift, coming out, eating a dozen poached eggs, working

out like a madman, shitting a brick through a wall and going out there and posing for people. It's the craziest thing in the world. Also, at this point, too, he's still got his girlfriend. They're still not married. They've been together for a long time. And they now have three kids. Jesus.

Three kids, two girls and a boy, not married, which, whatever. Not much money for him in the bodybuilding. So, like I said, London Underground. The elite level, there's money in bodybuilding, apparently. But not at the amateur level. He's still a dumb musclehead. That's it. Yeah, with a classically beautiful package.

I like how people are like, muscle heads can be brilliant guys, too. It's like, this guy worked for the railroad. It's true. He was working on a train. He was driving. It's not so much that he can take a fucking wrong turn. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's not Dolph Lundgren who got a scholarship to MIT.

Right, exactly. You know what I mean? That's a muscle guy who is brilliant. Brilliant. This guy's not brilliant at all. No, he's not brilliant. He's pretty, he seems like an idiot, honestly, when you're talking to him. He can't make a wrong turn.

He drives a fucking train. So you don't get much money in bodybuilding, but you do get groupies. Yeah. That's one thing you do get is groupies, and he enjoyed the groupies. He loved the groupies. He's got abs, this fucker. Oh, he's ridiculous. Physically, he's perfect.

I mean, and he's a good-looking guy, too. Like, in the face, he's a handsome dude. not an he's not a ugly guy with big muscles like he's not tall flown no he's a handsome cat this guy like he's a especially for the 70s he's a handsome dude man so he's going out with all these women bodybuilding groupies everywhere girlfriend and three kids at home london underground at night he's got a lot of going on man so much that's a lot of time that he's invested in all of this shit you know I mean like he doesn't have a free minute in the day no he doesn't I don't know how the hell he does it honestly I don't know how you could I don't understand it's kind it seems like you'd just be constantly going where you'd just be like good god enough I need a week off I'm gonna go eat some Cheetos yeah and you know

just kick it with the I want to stop eating all these fucking eggs. I can't do it anymore. Right. So he's – at this point in the late 70s, I think it's 79, he's offered a contract by Joe Weider to move to America and be a bodybuilder. Now, Joe Weider is the creator of the Mr. and Ms. Olympia. They started out – the Weiders started out their nutrition empire in 1936 wow 1936 they're considered to be the first sports nutrition company ever so like they're the first ones are like take these supplements it'll make you bigger like they're the first ones the

gatorade people or some shit the first no no well that's that's a that's for anybody right this is for like bodybuilding just get bigger just to Just to them. Just cater to them. Absolutely. They were the creators of some kind of shit, nutrition bars called Tiger's Milk. They're still around. I know. That's what I mean. And they're still, which I assume is where- They're in every fucking convenience store in the country. I assume that's where Always Sunny got Crow's, what was it?

Crow Milk or Crow- I don't know. Fight Milk. Fight Milk is what Always Sunny had. Watch Always Sunny. What's wrong with you? I i'm sorry it's fucking hilarious uh but yeah they were they created those and all sorts of other products like that they had like the earliest line of like supplement foods and things like that they really from the 30s from the 1936 they started weeder nutrition unbelievable

talk about being ahead of the curve yeah you know what i mean they were way ahead of the curve they knew also too this guy is a like a fitness publication mogul. They have, Jesus Christ, they started out in 1953 with these publications called Your Physique, and that became Muscle Builder, and then Muscle and Fitness is what's out still now. That became that in 1980. Also, Mr. America, Muscle Power, Shape Magazine, Fit Pregnancy. Oh, my God.

Oh, Mr. America, Muscle Power, Shape Magazine, Fit Pregnancy. Oh, my God. Oh, boy. Men's Fitness, Living Fit, Prime Health and Fitness, Fitness Cooks. Oh, my God. Fitness Cooks Magazine, Senior Golfer Magazine, and finally Flex. All this shit. Wow. All this shit to read. And they started Flex also.

They started Flex also. That's the most popular one, obviously. That's the big one. Yeah, I've read a ton. You have no idea how much Flex I read for this shit, read. And they started Flex also. They started Flex also. That's the big one. Yeah, I've read a ton. You have no idea how much Flex I read for this shit, dude. I know so much Flex. So terrible. I could tell you Flex writers. Like, oh yeah, he's good. That guy's good.

That guy gives a shit. He knows a classically beautiful package when he sees one. That guy, he's solid, man. Also, wrote books, including The Weeder System of Bodybuilding in 1981. So they were like the standard, you know,builder guru mogul guys. There's a hilarious article I found too, and I was reading it when I'm studying the Weiders here and I'm researching the Weiders.

And the article is like, has the devil brought Joe Weider success? And I'm like, what the fuck is this? What? I thought he was like a criminal or something. I'm like, oh, this will be interesting. Turns out it's not what that was at all. It's an article that is only there to push a different magazine to Christian weightlifters. And they're saying like, yes, the devil did help Joe Weider.

But, you know, Psalms so-and-so says this and this and that. So when you're working out, it's like, what are they fucking talking? Like they literally were like, okay, these weeder guys have had this shit locked down for 50 years. How do we crack this market?

We have to call them the devil. Let's see what I'm going to do because no one's going to believe this shit. They got pregnant women reading their shit. Pregnant women. They got every person.

And senior golfers. Senior golfers. They're like, you still need to work out too. Yeah, everyone. I don't know if that was just for seniors.

I don't know what it was. They're just aiming at every person on earth. Back then, you'd put out a shitload of magazines and that was the thing. I don't know if that was just for seniors. I don't know what it was. They're just aiming at every person on Earth. Back then, you'd put out a shitload of magazines, and that was the thing. I remember Larry Flint, he had like 70 magazines or something. Yeah, and that was up to the 90s. That's ridiculous. It was everything.

You could do that every fucking week or every month, depending on the publication. And it's not just shit. He'd have window treatment monthly and shit. I mean, he had all sorts of basic magazines. Not just all tits, James. No, not just all tits, Jimmy. Not just all titties. Now, at this point, around the time he's offered the contract, he meets a woman named Kim.

Now, Kim is kind of one of the groupies, I guess you could say, but she really comes at him hard. She's a smart one. She's a smart lady, and she has kind of a goal for him and she reels him right in. And within three months, Berto leaves his girlfriend and three kids and marries Kim. Three kids couldn't get him to marry the girlfriend. No.

And within three months, he's married to this other woman. Ladies, that shows you're right there. I'll tell you right now, when a guy says they're not ready to get married or they don't know, no, no, no. They're not ready to marry you. Run away. Run away from them. That's it.

Run away. Because if they really liked you, we'd get married. We don't give a shit. Guys aren't like that. No, they're really not. So honestly, yes, when we find the right one, we will marry them. Yeah. So if the guy says not right now, I'm not right.

You're not the right one. Right. Move on. Seriously. That's a tip from the crime and sports guys for you to help your life. Kim is very savvy business-wise. She wants him to take the contract and wants to move to America. And I think she's smart, too.

She's like, I'm moving to America, too. Shit, I've got a big contract. Go to America. Let's get the fuck out of here. It's cloudy. It's cloudy. It is, because all the bodybuilders all lived in California by the beach. Yeah.

That was the big thing. Muscle Beach over there in Venice. That's exactly right. Anyway, he puts it off at first. He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't want to move. He's uncomfortable with it. He says he likes being in his own little world. He's British through and through, remember?

Through and through, damn it. British. 1979, he's not even amateur anymore. He's pro Mr. Universe. He wins Mr. Universe in 79. Now he's won three Mr. Universes straight. bad man badass uh kim the whole time tries to convince burtled to go to america uh ricky wayne our buddy a hot chickaroo guy here with our awesome music he signs with he signed with weeder also he's one of the weeders bodybuilders yeah and apparently these bodybuilders these bodybuilding federations or whatever you want to call them, they hire all these guys. They have them under contract. It's not like they're

like, we're having a competition. Everybody sign up and then you sign up. They have their own stable of bodybuilders and then they do these competitions and that makes the promoter money. That makes that stable look good. Yeah, that's what it is. But it's weird because I've read several articles. I don't know how much like this it is, but I've read several things that basically say bodybuilding is the same as wrestling. It's you're going to get further in these contests. You're going to go farther if you if you're like a draw. If you have the personality also that makes the company money, then you're going to miraculously win competitions, even if you don't have the best body that day. Same thing with everything. It's one of those things.

Well, no, basketball, whoever has the most points wins. Okay. You know what I mean? In terms of the contest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like wrestling where it's like they're not going to go out and wrestle and whoever wins is the intercontinental champion.

They go, you're going to beat him. And that's it. Because your personality, more people buy tickets to see see it by pay-per-views and shit it's the same thing basically uh with this so rick wayne has been tasked with talking burtel into uh get into coming to america by weeder weeder said get him we were getting into the gay sex you know him it's coming don't worry uh ricky says ricky says uh this one isn't that gay we'll we'll hold off on the music for right now ricky says about this whole thing trying to convince burtell he says quote burtell gave me every possible reason why he didn't want to go to america gave me all those english cliches

america is too much of a rat race the guys are too much into making money it's racist he's a black guy and he's more at home in his little pool in London. That's what he was saying. He's like, I don't want to go to America. It's racist in my neighborhood. Everybody's like me. It's fine. He's right.

He's not wrong, especially in 1979. It was bad. It was fucking horrible. So yeah, I don't blame him. But in California, actually California still, it was pretty shitty. LA was very racist. It's still not great. We had riots in the 90s for fuck's sake. Yeah, this isn't great.

Okay, good. You're thinking, Bert. You're thinking now maybe it's not good. But if you want to make money and not work for the fucking London Underground, get over here and pose, asshole. Get over here and stand still on a beach. Yeah, you can poach an egg just- People will throw money at you.

Yeah, you can poach an egg just as easily in California as you can in London. Get over there. With cleaner water, probably. I bet. Yeah. 1980 at the World Championships. This is the WABBA. It's a European bodybuilding league that was formed in 1976.

It was kind of new. Birtle takes second place in that. Ricky decided, Ricky Wayne, hot chickaroo himself, decided to stop trying to convince Birtle to sign. He's like, Birtle's not going to do this. He's going to give me the same run around every time. Fuck it. I know who I can talk to, though.

Kim. Uh-huh. Kim likes business. Kim's smart I know who I can talk to, though. Kim. Kim likes business. Kim's smart. I'm going to talk to Kim. And he finds an ally with Kim. Ricky says that within two weeks of talking to Kim, Burtle was signed with Weider. So he could talk to him for two years. She's in her pants.

And she just, I don't know if she has something on him. She got him. He knocked up a woman three times, never married her. Within three months, he married her. And then within two weeks, he got him. She got him convinced that America is the place to be. There is something amazing in her pants. Yes, even when his gay sugar daddy idol couldn't convince him.

You know what I mean? I don't know if it's his sugar daddy. It's his gay idol. I know that much, but either way. Yes, she has control. I want to see it. It's probably has control i want to see it it's probably amazing i want to see it's got diamonds on it yeah she's probably like 60 years old right now but still i think if it was that great then it's still at least mediocre i'm sure yeah this

is we're talking like whatever i still want to see it we're fascinated we're talking about brutal birdle he probably they did not so great anymore assume so. Jesus, imagine what he did and shit all over the walls. It's awful. His workout was brutal. I can't imagine what his sex life was. He's just bench pressing her as they go. It's got to be like that, tossing her around. Just slamming her down on it.

Yeah, just moving her around. He's got weights on her thighs. Then he's got a dumbbell off the side of the bed. He's like, hold on, baby. I got to get on top. I got to switch hands. He straps weights to her to lift her up and down. I think maybe that's what it is.

Yeah, I'll get you against the wall, but put these around your waist first. So he signs with Weider, and he moves to California with Kim. New life. Kids, fuck them. Leave the kids behind. I'm going to get the fuck out of here. But he's got to go make a living, so that's fine. Ricky says, Ricky, our guy, Hot Chickaroo says, quote, in reflection, I wish I had never persuaded Bertil Fox to come to America.

All right. Because things get a little weird here. All right. He starts competing in Weider competitions right away when he gets over here in 1981-ish, 82. These are all IFBB competitions. That's the league that was founded by Ben and Joe Weider. Actually, in Montreal they did it. It's the International Federation of Bodybuilders.

Okay. The 1981 Grand Prix Belgium, the IFBB Grand Prix Belgium. Bertel comes in fifth, which whatever. These are, you know, it's a circuit now. More competition in California. More competition, and it's not exactly, I don't know if it's on the up and up or what the deal is here. And everybody from around the world

congregates there to compete. So the competition is stiffer, I'm sure. And personality counts, as we're going to get into in a minute here. The calves don't fucking matter here. Exactly. Weeder made all these promotional videos for Birtle, like, you know, the Birtle workout and shit like that.

And so you would have all these videos. And in the beginning of one of these videos, we have an Arnold Schwarzenegger sitting next to Bertl on a bench, looking young as shit, Arnold, too, because it's like 81. And he says, quote, from day one when I saw Bertl compete in London at the Mr. Universe contest and he became this big sensation, which in the mid-70s I was a big admirer of his, simply because he represents the traditional bodybuilder and strong man i think he is the new bodybuilder he is like the big time of the day you know that was the worst arnold accent i was not i will not do a fucking arnold i'll do everything else i will not do a fucking worst arnold impression ever sounded

exactly like james betty i am not a hack so i do not do arnold schwarzenegger in any capacity even joking around on a podcast. I like it. Because if you do Arnold in public, you are a fucking hack. Just to let you know, you are a hack. Fuck, if you do it for your friends, it's fine. If you do it in any comedic capacity on stage or into a fucking microphone, kill yourself. Fucking kill yourself.

It's been done a million times, it's over. There's a lot better impressions than you two, guaranteed. You're essentially just doing an impression of somebody else that does a better impression listen to Pablo Francisco and then go am I as good at that am I as good as him at it probably not you're not stop shut the fuck up and go away never do it again so yeah he's over there 82 the night

of the champions an IFBB tournament he comes in second Mr. Olympia 1982 he's in second. Mr. Olympia, 1982. He's finally in the Mr. Olympia. He comes in eighth in that in 82. In 83, he's in the Grand Prix Sweden. He comes in fourth in that. These are all IFBB tournaments.

He comes in second in the Grand Prix Switzerland. God, this has got to be depressing to him. Yeah. He's used to killing it. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the thing. And so we get to, and this is the main Prix Switzerland. God, this has got to be depressing to him. Yeah. He's used to killing it. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the thing. And so we get to, and this is the main one here, we get to 1983 in Munich. It is the Mr. Olympia contest.

Fucking Germany. And this is Bertl's year to win it. This is going to be the year that he wins it. He comes out on stage. Second he walks out, the fucking crowd erupts like it's insane like a like a sporting event the super bowl winning quarterback just came out of the tunnel it's insane they go i mean people stand they're like holy shit there's people standing and like i said every time he hits a pose they're like yeah like screaming it's like whoa i't get over this. But he comes out to the huge applause.

He's got a smile on his face and the curtains dropping behind him. They like to cover the backdrop. And the music starts up. And what do you think he's, what do you think is playing besides Hot Chickaroo? What do you think is playing? I have no idea. He begins. In what year?

1980? 83. Was it some Michael Jackson? No, no. No? No, no, no. No. He begins to flex, and as he begins to flex, sexual healing comes on.

No way. When I get that feeling. And he's fucking flexing, and the crowd's going, yeah. And he's just- Sexual chocolate. Just banging it. And he's fucking flexing away. It is the most homoerotic thing I've ever fucking seen in my life.

Literally. I was like, am I gay? What am I doing? I think I like guys now. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. What the fuck? I went and I told Sarah, I'm sorry, I have to leave you.

I need a guy who eats 12 poached eggs at a time. I just slow-talked to sexual healing and a black man posing. Glistening. Like, it's been gay. And we've said a hundred times over this, we have less than no problem with fucking gay people. I've officiated a gay wedding.

I don't care who you fuck. It's great. I couldn't care less how you come. But I will laugh at it. It's been gay up to this point. It's been one of our gayest episodes up to this. This is now gayer than Liberace blowing John Travolta at this point. That's what this is now.

This is the gayest thing I've ever fucking encountered. So people are standing to applaud. It's so funny how crazy they're going. He's flexing. He's flexing. He's not doing anything. That's literally all he's doing is squeezing his muscle. It's ridiculous, man.

So he's the favorite to win. The crowd is, you know, I mean, they're like, he's the guy. So much talent. Oh, my God. So he's the favorite to win. The crowd is, you know, I mean, they're like, he's the guy. So much talent. Oh, my God. They put the final five on stage and the judges do their thing and they announce they go from fifth down and they announce fifth place is Birtle. Yeah. He does not look fucking happy at all. He goes from smiling to he's like, he's like, fuck just happened to me.

You see the look on his face. What the fuck just happened? The dude hands him the trophy and he like shakes his hand but he's looking at him like yo man seriously i'm fifth like he is pissed the crowd erupts into booze i mean it's a it's that's all it is is booze it starts out like oh burtell but then like they see he's pissed and they're just i mean it's loud and they're pissed off and it's wild man somebody had bad sex to that song and that yeah the judges hate that song and that's one of the judges hates that song fuck marvin gaye i'm glad his dad shot him i think this is around the time his dad

shot him probably three ish yeah uh so the birdle's just pissed off you can tell he walks away everyone said that he should have won that year everyone like they're like oh no he won that year that's ridiculous that he came in fifth not even second fifth. Fifth. You know what I mean? So, Bertle, pissed off about this, starts mouthing off about competitions and talking shit in the press and pissing a lot of people in the bodybuilding world off. And for that, we have our first In Their Own Words. Oh, boy. In Their Own Words, quote, you know, your whole future depends on those five or ten little guys that lie to you.

Your whole fate relies on them. These guys have never trained. They've never worked out. They don't know what the word diet means. They don't know what it means to diet. You'd see their heads begin to spin. We should be judged by our own peers. A guy would feel a little better to be knowing that he's being put in 12th place by a group of guys, you know,

than some fat guy in a blue jacket that says you should be a little more cut and shit like that. Some fat guy in a blue jacket. That's what he's calling the judges. Wow. Some fat guy in a blue jacket that says you should be a little more cut. This guy never thought about eating greens in his life. Never. Never.

And he's judging me. How dare he? Yeah. How fuck? That's what he's saying. I mean, it's essentially the same as comedy. It makes sense. I mean, honestly, it makes sense.

Why should a guy who doesn't know anything about working out? But I mean, then again, too, you're judging physiques. I mean, do you have to have a physique to judge it? I don't know. But I mean, I think he's saying like, you don't know like, they would know if they worked out. Like, oh, he looks more cut than him, but look at the definition on his triceps. They're bigger. And he's like, bodybuilders look at it a different way.

You're comparing that guy to that guy. That's what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah. But he was saying like, they would bigger, and he's like, bodybuilders look at it a different way. You're comparing that guy to that guy. That's what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, but he was saying, like, they would take other shit into whatever. Now, the judges, there's a judge that we talked to. The judge says that they take personality into consideration. It's not just how you look. Your personality counts. It's like they say how Arnold's personality, Arnold Schwarzenegger back in the day, leaped out at everyone.

They were like, he came on the stage and immediately you were like, whoa, this, you were more, he said you were more engaged with his personality than his muscles. He was like, that's the, he got the crowd on his side like that. He goes, and then he was saying, that's what it is, basically. It's not, you know, it's not about, Birtle thought that he looked the best and he was the most cut he should win, but that's not how it works, basically. Like that's, that's what I said. That's why I said it's like wrestling. It's kind of like comedy,

too, when you do a comedy contest and you've got these people that judge you, and you're like, really, dude, you're going to judge me? You're going to judge what joke I do? You're going to get the restaurant manager to judge me? Okay, that makes sense. Let's do that. He's been on stage. That's good. Yeah, do that. Oh, that guy who quit 20 years ago because he had

no talent? Yeah, get him to judge me, please. Tell me that I'm not funny. Yeah, perfect. Oh, then he's the booker, too. Yeah, do that. Oh, that guy who quit 20 years ago because he had no talent? Yeah, yeah. Let him judge me, please. Tell me that I'm not funny. Yeah, perfect. Oh, then he's the booker, too. Good. Excellent. He can book us afterwards. That's a comedy contest.

That's all the comedy contests, though. We're not specific. We're not like, oh, that guy. It's not that at all. That's the blanket. That's just the blanket that it is. That's how it is. So, Ricky Wayne.

Let's pump up the music. All right. Let's get it going. Mmm, sexy, isn't it? Sexy. I can't wait. Rick Wayne said, quote, he was better than those guys, but he lacked what it required to go out and stand next to him on the stage.

He couldn't handle that. Those people know Bertel was a phenomenon. They know he was better than them, but they soon discovered that Bertel did not have self-confidence. What's this throbbing in my lap? What is that? I'm telling you, man. That's so weird. It's Ricky Wayne.

He's going. Bertel blames this lossbing in my lap? What is that? I'm telling you, man. That's so weird. It's Ricky Wayne. He's going. Birtle blames this loss on racism. This is his thing. A lot of people are saying that Birtle is hard to work with and that he hates white people at this point. That's a thing that's going on. Let's not do the music again for Ricky Wayne here. But Ricky Wayne says, quote, Birtle Fox hated white people.

He just hated them. He always felt like they were trying to use him like a silver-haired middle-aged white man. Weird. They are using him. That's the point. Yeah, he figured it out. The guy was in a sport that was controlled by white people. Joe Weider's white and Jewish.

The people that own the magazines are all white. Joe Weider, he owns everything. Bertle was wrapped up in an inferiority situation where whites were concerned. So he just, he was always, and I don't know if growing up in England was a, I don't know if the, I don't know how that works. I didn't grow up in London. I hope he's not that guy. The one that just pulls that one every time that he's slighted.

You know what I mean? Anytime he feels like he was slighted, he's like, it's because I'm black. Well, I mean, a lot of times that is the case, I'm sure. Yes, yes. Not every time. Not every time. Well, let's let him. Sometimes a loser loses. That's all I'm saying.

Let's let him explain himself here. In their own words. It's perfect for this. In their own words, quote, I have never told him that. I am no bloody racist. You know that. Please, if you write anything from these letters, please put that straight for me. Most of my friends are white, including girlfriends. He was in jail at that point

going, hey, come on. What the fuck? I don't want to fuck a racist. What are you talking about? That's what a racist says. That's what white racists say. That's what all racists say. Most of my friends are that color. That's like a white guy going, I fuck black girls. I've officiated a gay wedding,

but I really don't care. Some people fuck that race because they want to feel like they're doing some good. Yes. Getting back at them. Interracial porn, you know where it is most

outside of the U.S.? Most watched? It's most watched in the South. Yeah, of course. It's the funniest fucking thing. It's like, yeah, you hate them the most because you want to fuck them. That's all it is. And you're embarrassed about it for some odd reason.

And you're afraid that they're better than you. And that's the thing. That's what it is. That's what most of it is, that inferiority complex. And he's so insecure. So sad. It's so insecure, and that's going to be his ultimate downfall. He starts getting nasty with Kim. Incidents of domestic violence, some smacking her around.

There's an incident where he asked her to go to the grocery store to get him things that he shouldn't have been eating. Like he said to one time, go get him two big cans of cashews, which he can't eat because of the salt. He can't have the salt. But it's the good fat. It's the good fat. The protein's fine, but he wanted salted cashews. And she said, you can't have the salt so it's the good fat it's the good fat the protein's fine but he wanted salted cashews and she said you can't have salted cashews so uh he beat the shit out of her for it wow for not getting the cashews taylor swift is soaring high her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans she's broken

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. And now back to the show. So that's what I mean. He's I mean, he's roiding like crazy too. He's roiding. He's angry. He thinks everyone's out to get him. He's on roid rage and he wants cashews. But he's got to realize, he's a 5'8", 250-something pound man. He is a tank and a

cannon for an arm. That's the thing. I don't care if you can throw a punch when you're that big. It doesn't matter if you can throw a punch. Your hand is heavier than a face. That's the thing. He's pushing this poor woman around. It's ridiculous. He would have fits of crying and depression because he was sorry after he beat her up like that because he was having a roid rage.

You feel like an asshole. That's what happens. I hear that constantly with the roid rage shit. The guys will rage out like that. And when you hit a woman, they can't take a punch from a dude. She was a small woman. Even watching girl fights I feel bad. I do too.

It's going to sound terrible but they look so stupid when they get hit. It looks so sad. It does. It's so sad. You're not meant to get hit it looks like. I don't like watching women's MMA fighting. It's hard to watch. I don't like watching like women's MMA fighting. Yeah. It's hard to watch.

It's hard to watch. Cause when they take a punch, I'm like, I don't like that. That doesn't look good. No, I don't want to watch. And I know that, I guess that's sexist, but I, I was raised that you shouldn't see a woman's head get rocked back from a blow to the face. Like that's how I was fucking raised. You know what I mean?

So it's uncomfortable after years of programming. And that's coming from an Italian guy. Yeah, exactly. I was raised by Italian women who were the violent ones themselves. So you don't hit them. I don't like seeing a woman get hit. I've seen my mom get hit and I still feel rage

whenever I see a woman get hit. I'm just like, that's not supposed to fucking happen. It's bad. So he would do this and he'd feel horrible. His friends called him a ticking time bomb, which is terrible when you're a big giant monster. Now, he's training in 1984 for the Mr. Olympia 84 to get

his revenge, and Kim leaves him. Kim takes off. Yeah, he's off in Europe training, and she calls him while he's training and says that she's moving out. He stops training and heads immediately back to California to find that Kim left and took all her stuff.

Oh, no. She's gone. From a man that's already insecure. Yeah, now she's gone. And now he's rejected by the one that he wants. Yeah, Bertel heads to Ricky Wayne's place, goes to see Hot Chicka Roo there. He's very depressed, Bertel. He's talking about not competing anymore for the rest of the year, and he just couldn't get his head into it.

But Ricky encourages him. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Let's play the music but Ricky encourages him. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Let's play the music. Ricky encourages him. This is amazing. I can't. This is so awesome.

All right, here's the music. Let's crank it up. This is Ricky Wayne. I said, come on, and we went into the bathroom with the full-length mirror there, and I had him take his shirt off. Birtle looked absolutely out of this world. I had him doing his most famous pose, whichle looked absolutely out of this world. I had him doing his most famous pose, which was the most muscular

pose. He went from pose to pose, arm shots, back shot, out of this world, abdominals and everything, and doing it aggressive, the sweat pouring down his body. Finally, he toweled himself off and put his shirt on. I said, but you look fantastic.

And then he said, now where's the pussy? And I said, but you look fantastic. That's amazing. That's the guy that craves it. And he can't have it because he feels terrible about it. And the way he says it, I am not far off. He doesn't quite have the throatiness

with it, but the rest of it, the way he says it, arm shots, back shot, out of this world. He doesn't quite have the throatiness with it, but the rest of it, the way he says it, arm shots, back shot, out of this world. He's just like, finally, the sweat pouring down his body. Why was he sweating in his bathroom? From flexing. Right. He was flexing so much, the sweat was pouring off of him.

Aggressive. Jesus. Oh, man. So, Bertl walked into the living room and he said, you know, it's funny. This is his version of I can't quit you. This is amazing. He said, Bertle said to Ricky Wayne, you know, it's funny. I only look that way in your mirror. I don't look that way in mine. He says, you make me feel special.

That's what he said to him. You make me feel special. Maybe if he'd have been there at that pageant he would have won then ricky bent him over spit on his junk and entered him entered him like a fucking champ like a man like an like an aggressive elephant with lots of grunting yep unbelievable so uh anyway burtel and now we're done with that shit uh burtel ends up uh getting a doctor's note saying that he was too ill to compete because of his contract he had to compete.

So he was too ill to compete and drops out of the 1984 Mr. Olympia. Yeah, he's too tired. Way too tired. He shouldn't have stayed up all night flexing in dude's mirror. Yeah, exactly. So I'm reading about this. And there's all these other, like he appears. I found an article about him appearing in an Alabama tournament, basically.

That's probably where he started hating white people. Probably. Just like they do a bunch of little ones. This article had this whole tournament. He wasn't even competing. He was just making an appearance. He was just a draw, basically. He comes to see Bertil Fox, Mr. Universe or whatever.

So I'm looking at this. It's in June 12th, 1984 in the Alabama, the Gadsden Times in Gadsden, Alabama about this boring competition that people I didn't give a shit about. There was some picture of this lady posing. And I'm looking at that and it's interesting, I guess. But I was distracted by the sales. By the sales, Jimmy. I love this. by the sales. By the sales, Jimmy.

I love it. Jimmy, if you are in Gadsden, Alabama, and it happens to be June 12th, 1984, you need to stop by Kmart because you can get a gallon of Glidden Spread Latex Enamel, regular price $16.44, Jimmy, only $11.87. $11.87 for a gallon of paint? A gallon of spread latex enamel. That sounds like paint. They're like $40 now for that. That's a great deal.

You can't paint a living room for $40 anymore. When you have your paint, Jimmy, head down to C&H Office Supplies down at 208 North 27th Street. Because they are offering 20% off all, quote, office gifts and furniture. Whatever the fucking office gift is. And you can call them for, quote, free fast delivery. It's office supplies. Everything in there is the fucking office gift is, and you can call them for quote, free fast delivery. It's office supplies. Everything in there is essentially an office gift. I don't think so.

But finally, now you've got your paint, you're ready to do your thing here. What you really need to do after that is get to Radio Shack. Yeah. Get there because you can get a TRS-80 pocket computer. Oh. With eight bits of RAM. What the fuck is that? It's nothing. What's a pocket computer with eight bits of RAM. What the fuck is that? It's nothing.

What's a pocket computer? It's like a calculator that you can make programs on. Oh, boy. You can make a little programmable calculator. All right, nerds, listen up. It says it is, quote, ideal for business, insurance, math, engineering, finance, science, and more. Solve problems anywhere with this amazing pc4 computer solve problems everywhere i don't know only 69.95 which doesn't seem bad because i found one on ebay yeah now from then

and it's 99.95 wow it's gone up it's valuable 30 more pocket pc yeah it's solving problems out there still apparently if you were a nerd in 1984, that was the shit. You could program things and it was cool. I don't fucking know. But moving on to the 1984 World Pro Championships. He comes in fifth place there. 1986, Mr. Olympia comes in seventh place there. It's sliding. It's going down.

That's so sad. 87, Grand Prix Germany, ninth place. Oh, no. The Knight of Champions, he gets seventh place. Mr. Olympia, 1987, he gets 12th place. Oh, no. The Knight of Champions, he gets seventh place. Mr. Olympia 1987, he gets 12th place. That is last. Really? That's last.

There's 12 in the country, so that's last. Wow. Bertl is asked at this point, what keeps him going when he's not winning anymore? Like, what the fuck? Ouch. What do you keep doing? That is the worst question to be asked when you're an athlete. It is.

He says, in their own words, quote, it's love. It's hard. Bodybuilding is something that I love. That's what keeps me going. Not the fame and all this bullshit walking around like some of these little prima donnas. These little shits will win little contests and they go around like their shit don't smell and things like that. What keeps me going is love. Yeah.

Clearly. I love losing. I love it. Well, you just called everyone little shits and prima donnas and fuck them. And then he's like, but love keeps me going. I love this. I love losing. I love it. Well, you just called everyone little shits and prima donnas and fuck them, and then he's like, but love keeps me going. I love this. I love it. I love everybody. I love everything.

1989, sixth place in the Arnold Classic, sixth place in the Grand Prix Melbourne. He has a classic? He does. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a fucking bodybuilding thing named after him. He did then. That's why he's great. There you go. 11th place in Mr. Olympia.

Fifth place in the World Pro Championships. He's being interviewed in 1990 asking what his plans are for in 91. And he says, in their own words, quote, I don't know. I always find that when you talk about things, they never come true. I'm a very unlucky bloke, unfortunately. And all through my life, you know, I should have been overall Mr. Olympia ages ago. But for some reason, there's always some obstacle in my way. I have a rough idea what I would like to do, but I'll keep it to myself and hope it works out.

He's got a lot of problems. I have no confidence. He's got a lot of problems. He should have bought one of those pocket PCs and solved all these problems. He could have solved everything. Science, math, insurance, ego. It's all in there. It's all there. He ends up not competing at all in 91.

92, 16th place in the Arnold Classic. Oh, God. 9th place in the Pittsburgh Pro Invitational. He is bench pressing 640 pounds at this point. Jesus. 640 fucking pounds. And using that weight to sculpt his body into something amazing. That's not even winning shit.

That's not winning. That's how crazy this is. Comes in 13th in the Ironman Pro Invitational in 94. Yeah. After that, he retires from bodybuilding. Okay. He's done. He's done.

13th place, 12th place, I'm done. He retires and moves to St. Kitts. A guy that's already insecure, he has to retire because he's not winning anymore. His inferiority complex has to be ridiculous. So he moves to St. Kitts, and literally he moved there so he'll be a big shot. That's why he moved there. Because on the island, the island has less than 40,000 people on it. And he's a major celebrity that's from there.

So you're going to automatically be the hot shit of the island if you go there. And he's the biggest one there. Absolutely. So he can fight anybody that's from there so you're gonna automatically be the hot shit of the island if you go there so and he's the biggest one there absolutely so we can fight anybody that's more important yeah and also to he plant he's opening a gym and he plans on training young bodybuilders and like bringing them along and teaching them shit and which would have been a good thing for him honestly but I mean in America we've got in what is it, 60 million? Is that what it is? No, 300 million people. 350 million people. 60 million. What am I doing?

350 million people. And how many people you think there are in this country that are bodybuilders? You know what I mean? 700. Right. That are like at that level. Right, exactly. So then you're moving to a place that has, what was it, 40,000 people?

If the sheer numbers are similar to that, there's like seven people there that are going to pay your gym fees. But he's going to find them and he's going to fucking move them along and make them be their coach like Ricky Wayne did for him. He has seven people that he can be a silver-haired middle-aged white man for. He's going to try. He's going to try his hand at being a silver-haired middle-aged white man.

He buys land and builds a large home in a gym on a hillside. There's nothing anywhere near it. It's just this house sitting on a hillside. He figured out some money somehow. Yeah, he made money with the Weider contracts. He made money with those. He was under contract for a long time.

People are excited to have him on the island. Everyone wants to meet him and talk to him. It's wild. There's an island resident named Denise Williams, and she said, quote, he was this big movie star. He was never in a movie, by the way. Everyone looked up to him as Mr. Universe. Everybody would like to meet this man.

He was like, I would say, one of the top class, but he was not what we thought he was. And now we come to some shit where he wasn't what they thought he was at all. In 1995, he meets a 19-year-old swimsuit model named Leoka Brown. Yeah. He falls hard for her. And he's got three kids somewhere. He's got three. They're, well, they're way gone.

Well, shit, they're in their 20s by now. So, I mean, he doesn't give a shit about them anymore. Kim's gone. Yeah. He meets her, falls hard for her, and he's in his 40s. This is 95. He's 44 years old. He's going to go out with a 19 year

old what are they talking about check yourself like the ego and the insecurity you have to have to think that that's gonna work out is insane uh now ricky wayne has some uh has some thoughts on this yeah and we're gonna play music for this all right ricky wayne says oh here it goes yeah there he's heartbroken here he goes he says quote bodybuilders are like people who are in their prime of their time. When you're as perfect and fit and hard like Bertil Fox, you want a woman close to that. You can only get that with women 19, 18 years old. Bodybuilders are physically orientated. We see physicality.

How many kids has she had? Is she in shape? What turns him on is not that she's a woman. She's a woman in great shape. That's definitely a quote from a gay man. That is latent homosexuality at its finest. Has she had kids? Is it a mess down there?

Is it a mess down there? Is it ugly? It's not that bad, dude. It doesn't ruin them. That's great. That's fantastic. Oh, I don't know. After kids, whatever. After kids, they're not that bad. They're great always. Who ugly? It's not that bad, dude. It doesn't ruin them. God, Jesus. Oh, I don't know. After kids, whatever. They're great always.

Who cares? It's fantastic. Jesus. Are you kidding me? The sun shines from there. Get the fuck out of here with that shit. It's amazing. Leoka is interested in... It's self-moisturizing, first of all, sir. You got anything that's self-moisturizing? We don't. She's interested in a career in modeling. She's a bikini model and shit like that. She does modeling contests and all that we don't. She's interested in a career in modeling. She's a bikini model and shit like that.

She does modeling contests and all that sort of thing. His son, Sean, about her, said that Berta liked her, but he would get mad when she wouldn't listen to him and talk back to him. Because, you know, he probably got some 19-year-old because he figured, oh, I can control her. Right. You know what I mean? She's not going to like that. Yeah. Now, Leoka's mother, Babs, she owned a dress shop on the island called Style and Style,

and she also had a dress shop where they made dresses, like an off-site thing here that we'll visit in a little while. Custom ones. Yeah. She's 35 years old, by the way. The mom is? The mom is. So, yeah. She should be at 16.

He's nine years older than his mother-in-law future. So this is ridiculous. The mother doesn't, the family doesn't like the fact that he's in a relationship with her. Oh, no. Because of the age difference. And they say she's not ready for a serious relationship. She's 19. Especially with a 44-year-old man.

Absolutely. So what does she do? Of course, she moves into his house. Obviously, you got to do that. He told her where to go and what to do. He kept her from visiting go and what to do. He kept her from visiting her family as much as she would like to. Very controlling.

Gets her in that house up on the hill with nothing around it. Stay in there and Rapunzel yourself, basically. Otherwise, she'll meet a 21-year-old dude that's working hard to figure something out in his life. And she's going to realize she can talk to him about music. Yeah. Meanwhile, the other guy, the only thing he knows is fucking Chickaroo. Chickaroo. Chickaroo.

So during one of these pageants, I saw a video of one of these pageants she was in, and she was asked about equality of the sexes on the island. And she said that socially things aren't perfect, but professionally things have gotten better. She said, quote, this is not the dark ages, which unfortunately for her it sort of is as we're going to come up here. People around the island start talking about there's rumors that Leoka cheats on Bertel and that Bertel beats her. Those are the rumors. It's not a great relationship. Bertel called his friend Taupin from earlier that he grew up with, working out with, to commiserate about Leoka.

And Taupin said, quote, when he first met Leoka, she had she he was very keen on her. A few months later, he called me and told me that things weren't all that good and that she's always off doing all these different things. I say to him, why don't you get rid of her? And she said and he said, she's perhaps the only person that knows me inside and out, but I don't know the things she but I don't think she has correct intentions about this relationship. So he's like, why? Because I'm infatuated. That. That's why I don't leave her. I need a 19-year-old. Yeah, I just want her to do everything I say when I say it, and I just want to control

her. So Babs, the mother, is very well loved on the island. Her business does well. They all love her dress shop. People love her dress designs. She tries to get Leoka to leave Bertle. Leoka finally agrees to leave him in 1997 for a white college student. Bertle's pissed.

Oh, my. It's cool that at first he takes a trip to England in September of 97 and he asks Leoka to house sit for him. You know, he still trusts her with his shit. He's like, hey, house sit for me, blah, blah, blah. You know, that sort of thing. He's dropping little subtle clues. I'm going to England. I'm going to go fuck all these other white women yeah yeah he was going to buy equipment

for the gym okay that's what he was doing to purchase equipment for the gym this was pre internet you know good internet connection I don't know what it was like in St. Kitts and he probably couldn't order that much shit on the way heavy gym equipment probably didn't come overseas like that from an online order so that's September 27th, 1997. September 30th, 1997, he returns from England. And on September 30th, 1997, at 10 a.m., there is a 911 call. They use 911 down there, which is weird. It's English, but they still use 911. They do have 999, but also 911 still works. It's like, why have anything else? So the police receive a 911 call saying that there's a shooting in this one district that has a lot of drug activity. So the police figured it was a drug-related crime. And he said that a

domestic shooting was the last thing he expected, the police chief, when they go there. It turns out that what they find is the first double murder in the history of the island. Really? The first in the history. Yeah. Now, we'll get into what happened. I know a guy who has two people he wants to kill. Well, this guy, we'll talk about here what they find.

Basically, we'll talk from Leoka's brother brother has a quote on the whole thing here. Leoka's brother said about Birtle, quote, he couldn't accept the loss. He couldn't accept her not wanting him anymore. And he felt that he had to do something. He felt like if he couldn't have her, why should anyone have her? And so a lot of them are like that. Yeah. What ended up happening was Birtle shows up at the dress shop.

Yeah. And he shows up at the dress shop. Now. And he shows up at the dress shop. Now, there is so many conflicting things here that we'll get into. But he shows up at the dress shop. And what ends up being that he's rich and famous. He's on this island. I did nothing. I can do whatever I want.

He says in court that he came home from England. Bertel testifies. He says he came home from England and found his gun missing from the holster. He said he went to the dress shop to find Leoka and just ask her about it. Got them by accident. So it fucking doesn't matter what the fingerprints are. He said it. Not really a factor.

Right. Do you do you believe he accidentally shot a gun three times accurately? That's the question. His best friend, Edmund Tross, who's the guy who he went to his office and told him about. He testifies in this trial and he says that Fox admitted the killings to him and to an associate without making any claim of self-defense. Truss said, quote, he had shot Leoka and her mother. He said Leoka's mother was pushing him out the door.

At that point, he pulled the gun out and started shooting. And also a seamstress who was at the dress shop also said the same exact thing. Same story. Same story. Seems like that's what happened. That sounds like the one that's more probable, right? So, yeah. So the trial ends and there is a hung jury.

What? Hung jury. Trial ends in a 5-4. The juries are nine people. Ends 5-4 in favor of acquittal, by the way. 5 acquittal. 4 non-acquittal. What in the fuck goes on down there?

Unreal. There's outrage on the island. Yeah. Sort of takes takes them up to this sort of gets them up to date on the domestic violence issue though it kind of moves them forward they start having candlelight vigils it usually takes a body for it takes a body yeah it's true nicole brown i feel like nicole brown changed a lot here it really did oh jay simpson's dead wife i I guess you'd call her. You almost said victim. I didn't know what to call her. I almost said wife, and then I was like, that's a little vague. I should probably say dead wife, whatever.

Anyway, so there's big events for domestic violence awareness now. People are pissed. They want him retried and fucking convicted. They're mad. I mean, if there's anything positive to come out of it, at least some people are talking about changing some shit. That's the thing. That're mad. I mean, if there's anything positive to come out of it, at least some people are talking about changing some shit. That's the thing. That's good. Henry Brown said, quote, the lawyer said, quote, this incident happened

at a time when the country was quite sensitized to violence against women and had formed a view in their minds that frequent violence against women should be arrested. Well, no shit. Yeah, that should be a thing. In a small community like this, with all the women singing one tune, it is very difficult for the men to say otherwise.

So basically what he just said is, look, women are being a pain in the ass, so you can't beat them repeatedly anymore or you'll get arrested. That's what he said. And if you heard his tone, that's what he said. He goes, if all the women are singing one tune, it is difficult for the men to say otherwise. He's like, it might not be right, but that's the way it is. No, that's true. That's right. Yeah. Jesus Christ. otherwise like he's like it might not be right but that's the way it is like no that's true that's right um yeah he's just like he like he just jesus christ he said it like nostalgic like it can't beat women anymore like oh i remember remember how great it used to be yeah i remember

when i was a remember we were kids we used to go swim in that creek and jump off the rope swing wasn't that fun like that's how he talked So now, Birtle's sitting in jail. I mean, Jesus Christ, Joe Weider got nothing out of his contract. He's got three kids that are wandering around. Sean hasn't talked to him. Kim's gotten beat, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Birtle Fox. I'm not sure where he's from or what he does, but his Facebook profile says that he is, quote, that, quote, I'm working to become a better mma fighter and he

posts i mean constantly like every day all day about public about uh about about uh john mizuno who's a democratic politician and current vice speaker of the of the hawaii house of representatives he's pissed at hawaii he he literally no he tweets positive shit about this guy all day long he loves him john mazzuno on this radio on this tv station here's an article about him like i don't know if he's his kid or what the fucking deal is but he loves him holy shit so they do have a second trial thank fuck uh the prosecution really hits the fact this time that he's so muscular and so huge and they say whatever physical tussle that took place, Birtle could have handled it without shooting. It wasn't a problem for him.

Yes. Edmund Truss testifies again in the preliminary trial. They've reached the first trial, this trial. He changed his testimony a little bit here and there. But that kind of happens with prosecutors. Let's concentrate more on this part of what you're saying. Yeah, he says that Fox confessed to the murders because he discovered Fox. Fox discovered Lyoko was seeing another man.

No such man was ever named or came forward in any of this also. They had a surprise witness at the end of the trial who was a woman named Juliska Wallace. Wallace said that she saw Fox with the gun shortly before the shootings. Now, and Fox supposedly told her he was going to kill his ex-girlfriend. The judge did not. Holy shit. Yes, that's big. And the judge didn't allow Birtle to take the stand to refute that at all, which he already testified.

So I don't know. So, yeah, they the prosecutor said that fox was despondent about the end of the relationship and they said he went into a jealous rage brought his pistol there and that's what he did he shot everybody that makes sense which makes sense uh the other employee of the witness named amanda matthews uh she said that uh fox that she did not see fox with the gun uh she did see him speak to lyoka and uh not in an angry tone, but she couldn't hear what was said. And then she saw the mother confronting Fox and she heard the mother said, don't come in here with that. Fox then allegedly pushed the mother and she heard the shots.

And Matthews ran in a bathroom and locked herself in it because she's not an idiot and doesn't want to get shot by people. by people. The defense says basically that she came to the Saturday morning in her brother's car, said she was going to stay at her mother's and said that she had only gone back for her things because she wanted to stay over with her mother until she can figure out what she wants to do with Bertel. Bertel says he helped her pack up her clothes

and all this shit. And then once everybody was gone and she was gone, he said, oh, you have a good one. Yeah, you go move in with your mother. That'd be better for you, you know, because he's such a good guy. Right. He said then he was just looking around and he couldn't find his gun. So he went to the shop to see, hey, maybe if Leoka took it by accident or something and then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I totally didn't tell that girl I was going to kill my ex-girlfriend.

Yeah, I totally didn't tell her any of that. So, yeah, basically he just denies, denies, denies, says that, you know, he just blames it on them. I don't know what happened. And then she took the gun out and she was messing with me. And I just, oh, shit. And I'm the only one that was not shot. Exactly. So he testified to all this.

You know, the cross-examination, Fox fails to answer several really pretty critical questions regarding the whole thing. Like, why did Leoka take his gun from the house? That's number one. Why would she even take take it i don't know the answer to that why would she give them to her mother afterwards why would she give the gun to her mother uh why would somebody struggle with someone who has their finger on the trigger of a gun there's lots of things that he didn't have the answer for he was just like a lot i don't know a lot of holes in this story a lot of holes in these people and yes three holes in the way more holes in this story. A lot of holes in this story. And holes in these people. Yes, three holes in the story. Way more holes in the story than the people, and that's saying something. Now, the problem is the only thing with the prosecution's case is there were no autopsies,

no conclusive fingerprints from the gun. The witness at the clothing store didn't see Fox with the gun before the shootings. And basically, they said he had a tank top and spandex on. And that would have been hard to conceal a handgun. But he could have just put it in his back and you don't see it. So that happens. Look at Eddie Murphy and all the Beverly Hills Cop movies. Every one of them.

Yeah, you never see it. So finally, May 22nd, 1998, there is a verdict. Fox is found guilty of murder this time. Good. And the sentencing there is under automatic guidelines. Okay. The island has an automatic guideline that says, quote, whoever is convicted of murder may suffer death as a felon.

Wow. So he is sentenced to death by hanging. What? Old Bertle Fox. Yeah. Sentenced to death. Two ropes. Death by hanging. That's a hanging big dude that is a big

dude did he get it waiting to fucking sitting in death row fucking waiting to hang imagine that and also to you know shrinking physique and all that he's sitting in that yeah he's getting fat things are horrible he's just sitting in there you know he's miserable fat. Things are horrible. He's just sitting in there. You know, he's miserable. And then one day someone comes in his cell. He's like, who's that? And it's Bobby Colorado, animal trader from Fredericksburg, Texas. And he says. How is it you come to arrive here? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Seriously, what are you doing? Come in, 19-year-old girl. You're 45 fucking years old. What do you think? You're going to have a 19-year-old girl? She's going to worship you or something? Get the fuck out of here. She's going to go find a guy with a dick that works better. Someone who's 20 years old. What's

wrong with you? Your calves aren't bad. I'll give you that. Your calves are alright, but the rest of your life's a fucking mess. You're coming in 12th place in contests. You're hitting people. What the fuck is wrong with you? You need a hot chickaroo. Is that what you need? A hot chickaroo. You know what? Hey, you know what? All these girls, Is that what you need? A hot chickaroo. You know what? Hey, you know what?

All these girls, none of this works out. Rick Wayne's here. You know what I mean? We know he's got feelings for you and everything. But I got to go. The dogs are barking. I got to take them for a walk. And I got to train them.

But, you know, I guess have fun hanging, pals. See you later. Hang around, would you? Poof. In a cloud of marinara sauce, he's gone. Out of there. So terrible. So he will obviously be appealing.

Yeah. And yeah, Fox tell Fox alleges that the judge and the jury at the second trial were biased against him. He said that the four person of the jury was a friend of the family of the murder victims and that two other jurors reportedly complained to the judge regarding this conflict. But the judge refused to intervene. Wow. So we have an in their own words on the whole conviction and waiting to hang and everything like that. In their own words, quote, my conviction was because of an opportunist liar called Edmund Tross, who was supposed to be a friend and his girlfriend, Jules Gowalas, and their greed for my gym business and property. When the incident happened, I had no one to run my gym for me, and I had to keep the gym open because of a small mortgage I had to pay on the premises

because at the same time Edmund Tross but that's another story. Edmund Tross runs his gym for him while he's gone. So basically he has he's going to take this gym over so he has he's saying he has reason to lie because he wants to get his gym. He wants

to take his gym from him. I don't know. You know, whatever. So a friend came to see Bertil in jail. And a friend said, quote, when I went to see him after they put him away, it was so upsetting to me. Because when they let me in, they locked so many doors behind me. He was so sad. You could see the impression on his face that he wanted to cry. So when I came outside, I'd just stand there and I'd shake my head and I'd say, oh, my God, Foxy's finished.

Foxy. Foxy. Foxy killed fucking two women. Yeah. So we have an in their own words here on jail. He says in their own words, quote, everybody here is lonely for freedom. So so am I. I've never been in a prison before. I'm locked up all day.

I come out to shower in the morning and come out to shower at night. I work out in the cell. That's all there is to do. I've never been in trouble in my life. Overnight, I'm a monster. Yeah, you killed two fucking people. That makes you a monster. On May 10th, 1999, he appeals against his conviction

to the Eastern Caribbean Court of Appeal, and they dismiss his appeal on May 10th. October 4th, 1999, their lordship's board grants Fox special leave to appeal against both his conviction and his sentence based on his on the basis of his appeal. Basically, on the basis of the mandatory death sentence is what that is. Now, on October 2nd, 2001, the board dismisses Fox appeal against the conviction and the judgment of the majority of the board is delivered. They deliver the opinion and they hold on to his conviction.

He's definitely convicted. So now they're just doing it on the sentellant of the High Court of St. Christopher and Nevis should be quashed and that the matter should be remitted to the High Court to decide what should be pronounced. So they're kicking it to a higher London court to decide. September 27, 2002, in London, and this is the last stop in the appeal process. It's the high court in London. Fox wins his appeal against the death sentence and he is resentenced to life in prison. Without parole.

Without parole. Gotcha. Now Ricky Wayne, one last Ricky Wayne on Fox not being muscular in jail. Okay. One last time. Let's kick that music, guys. Ricky Wayne. For a long time I was told he worked out in prison. Okay. One last time. Let's kick that music, guys. Ricky Wayne. For a long time, I was told he worked out in prison. Buckets of water and so on.

Makeshift weights. I'm told he doesn't even do that now. That must be a horror. For a guy who always thought no matter how he looked in the mirror, he saw some little guy looking back at him. Imagine what it's like now. Looking at himself, perhaps weighing 165 pounds. That's a man who weighed 235 of muscle. I don't even know if execution can be

worse than what he must be going through right now. I think hanging's worse, yes. It's a man that's like, I stopped hugging to him long ago. Long ago. It's just sad. Now, we also have, and in their own words, in a letter, this sums up everything.

In a letter he wrote to Flex Magazine's chief photographer, Chris Lund. Oh, no. He says, quote, in their own words, quote, I wonder if you remember what you told me when I said that I was going back to St. Kitts to open a gym and build property, etc. You said to me, Bertel, you don't know anyone down there. England is where you spent all your life. My friend, I wish I had listened to St. Kitts to open a gym and build property, etc. You said to me, Bertle, you don't know anyone down there. England is where you spent all your life. My friend, I wish I had listened to you. Sorry about the writing, but the bloody cell is so dark.

There are 14 of us in a cell. There are three on the floor with just blankets. So that's how he's living now. That's where he's living. He's got 14 people, 13 others in a cell. Three of them are on the floor with just blankets. Now, if you love Bertle Fox, you can't go on his website because BertilFox.com is currently for sale. Oh.

So if you want to get a website, talk about him. And if you really love Bertil Fox, you can go on eBay, and there is a Bertil Fox Night of Champions Bodybuilding Muscle Photo in black and white. You can get it for $12.99 plus $3.98 shipping and handling. That's a deal. And that is Bertil Fox. My God. And a weird ass fucking tale of I don't even know what. That's our Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day everybody. He shot somebody's mother. I literally picked this out because I'm like

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