Crime in Sports - #70 - If Opportunities Could Kill... - The Curiousness of Greg "Toe" Nash

Episode Date: May 30, 2017

This week, we dig deep on a story so bizarre, unlikely, and just plain insane, that we weren't sure if it was real for minute. Thankfully, it's real, and its's as much crazy as can be packed ...into one episode. An unknown baseball prospect, from the sugar cane fields of Louisiana, turns out to have more about him that nobody knew, like a lengthy criminal record, that includes everything from the petty, to the truly despicable. It's a story of a man, emerging from the obscure, only to end up infamous. Chop down some cane, learn how to order a pizza, and ruin a good story with the truth with Greg "Toe" Nash!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: crimeinsports@gmail.comDonate on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:25 My name is James Petrigal. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you so much for joining us this week. This is like this story this week, Jimmy. I am more excited than usual. Really? I'm usually excited, but this is one of these stories where I'm like, I didn't even think it was true for half the story I'm reading.
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Starting point is 00:03:56 the craziest goddamn stories i've ever heard in my life it really was that was one of the nuttier stories we had we've had but today's story story here, this is one where I didn't think it was real at first. And I'm not the only one. Really? This is like, many people thought this was a hoax at many different times in his life. Is it on Snopes? It should be, yes.
Starting point is 00:04:17 This is a non-debunked myth. Fantastic. Not a myth, so you could say. It's a guy named Gregory Toe Nash. Toe is his nickname. Oh, I didn't get a nickname like that. Well, his grandmother named him that. We'll get into that in a sec.
Starting point is 00:04:32 But his grandmother nicknamed him Toe when he was three years old because he had a toe. He had huge feet. He's black as black. He's very black. There's no blonde hair. No toe head here. And he had very large feet and she could tell he was going to have even bigger feet. And so she started calling
Starting point is 00:04:48 him Toe. Because she didn't want to name him Dick. And it stuck. Yes. We'll get into this here. Now, he is born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. February 16th, 1982. So he's still pretty young. Around my age. Yeah, he's still a young guy right around
Starting point is 00:05:03 our ballpark here. He moves to, he's just born in Baton Rouge, but moves to Sorrento, Louisiana. Okay. I don't know where that is. No, no one does. That's the thing. It's a town, it's in, I'm going to pronounce this wrong as shit. It's in Ascension Parish, Louisiana.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Okay. The population's about 1,200. Okay. Paris, Louisiana. The population is about 1,200. So it's a very, very small town, about 50 miles outside of New Orleans, middle of nowhere. They count it in the Baton Rouge metropolitan statistical area, basically, when they do it. So it's closer to Baton Rouge than anything else. It's just out in the sticks of Baton Rouge. It's out in the sticks. If you work there—
Starting point is 00:05:42 A lot of people talk without moving their mouth. Yes. If you live there, you probably work in the sugar cane fields. Or you hunt gators. Or you hunt gators. Well, you do that anyway. As I've seen on A&E. You do that anyway.
Starting point is 00:05:53 That's what you do in your spare time or you do it for your career. That's when you come home from the sugar fields. You've chopped down all the cane you can get for that day. You're like, now I'm going to get me a gator for dinner because that's literally- A gator. Oh, I'm not joking. Really?ator these people not only they eat gator as we'll find out later on men play baseball for pay in gator meat what walter what the fuck cooked gator meat in my lifetime that's happening this has happened this happened 10 years ago probably happened yesterday probably
Starting point is 00:06:25 yesterday it's still going on there's so many weird connections to this story man it's so strange that's hilarious uh now uh now toe we'll just call him toe toe here his father charles tootie payton is his name nickname tootie everyone's got a nickname down there i like tootie now tootie i liked tootie man this tootieotie guy's got a really cool – he's this guy – it seems like he's poor. He's from down in an impoverished area. Things don't go his way, as we're going to talk about. And he just seems to be cool with it. He just seems to hang in there, keep his spirit, try to be a decent dad.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Like he's a good dad, this guy. He's a really good dad. He's Steve Martin's family in The Jerk. Yes. That's what this is. That's with less kids. With less kids. Because it's only Toe and his little sister.
Starting point is 00:07:12 And the father and the mother. And that's it. But they're growing up in a shack. We're talking about... Tin roof shack. We're talking about shacks. Like, you would see a shack and... It's wild.
Starting point is 00:07:22 I'm telling you right now. You'll see a shack and they come home from the sugar cane fields now it's you'll see a shack and and they come home from the sugar cane fields and go in things that look like they're condemned ridiculous it's insane down there so at a very young age about three years old right around the time he earned the toe nickname his father bought him his first baseball glove okay okay from like the dollar store it's like a cheap dollar store discount store you know it's not meant to be played baseball yeah when you give a three-year-old he's really not going to catch with it anyway it's just a hat put on his hand and take a picture because that's what he wanted to do he put stuck in his hand took a picture of
Starting point is 00:07:51 him so there's a picture of toe at three years old with a glove on so you know he was dad was a big baseball fan you know like as they go on a little bit later uh there's pictures of him with a wiffle bat in his hand and he's of him as a kid, he's doing something baseball-like. You know what I mean? He would go out at night and play hit balls just to hit them. Shag fly balls with his dad or whatever? Yeah, he would go out with his dad, what they would do. And it's funny, too, because his dad never pressured him, never made him do it,
Starting point is 00:08:22 never said, now get out there and do that because you're going to get off the cane fields. That's how you do it. He just encouraged him, said, hey, baseball's fun. And the kid loved it and just kept playing it. You know what I mean? At the time, too, he's a big uppercut swinger, too, just going for home runs, that kind of thing. Father stuffed an old sock with a rag and threw it around.
Starting point is 00:08:43 That was his ball. And would do it, yeah. He would do it that around. That was his ball. And would do it, yeah. He would do it that way. That was his ball. After that, later on in his teen years, he would get a broomstick and he would go down to the local tavern. He'd go down to the local bar, Toe Wood, and collect all the bottle caps he could from the ground all outside and all that and take it back and have his dad fling bottle caps
Starting point is 00:09:02 at him and he'd hit him with a broomstick. So that was how he was. That's the way they were playing. That's great. Yeah, well, if I can't beat that for hand-eye coordination. Yeah, that's really seeing the ball. If you can see a bottle cap and smash it, that's amazing. Yeah, they used to.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Edgar Martinez was a near Hall of Famer. He was a DH there for the Mariners. He used to have really weird techniques of training. That's why he had a 340 lifetime average where he would get a golf ball and he would have the pitching machine throw golf balls at him. And he would put a dot on the golf ball so he would try to pick up the dot to pick up the spin of the golf ball to train his eyes to do that. That's incredible. So then when he said when he'd see a ball, a baseball coming at him, it would look enormous. And it has the seams so he can see the rotation. And he can see the Rawlings logo on it, too.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Yes, exactly. Apparently that works. Amazing. Yeah, you can train your eyes. So he does this. They're doing that. He loves his baseball, basically. He looks a lot like his dad, too.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Toe is a very not the, how do we put this? He's not the, how do we put this? I don't want to say not the brightest guy, but his actions, they warrant that statement over the course of this thing, without a doubt. But I'm not sure about his intelligence, but he's definitely not educated at all. And we'll find out why. You mean rural New Orleans? Yeah. Rural Baton Rouge?
Starting point is 00:10:22 Very close. That area doesn't have a great education system. It's odd, right? To go out and work the cane fields? No. Yeah, it's very strange. He talks very slow, and he's very simple, and like I said, lack of formal education. That's a Louisiana way to talk, though. Yeah, he's very shy, too, though.
Starting point is 00:10:38 He's just not, and he's a big kid, too. He grows up, when he's done, he's 6'6", 220. He's a big dude. Wow. He's a big dude and jacked. My uncle was a sheriff in Colorado, a deputy sheriff, not the sheriff, deputy sheriff in Colorado. Fucking liar, Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:10:54 He was from Louisiana, and he's an educated man, very educated, very smart man, and he sounds dumb as shit because of the way they sound in Louisiana. It's tough when you do the slow speech and that sort of thing. It's nothing against you guys. It's just the way you talk. I love my uncle terribly. I have uncles that are smart and have heavy New York accents and they sound like morons. So it's the same exact thing.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Exactly. Exact same thing. Any heavy accent makes you sound stupid unless it's British. Put it... Yeah. Well, then Cockney, you probably sound a little dumb too, actually. A New York accent is kind of a rushed speech, though. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:11:25 They're getting through the sentence fast. That's true, yeah. Whereas in the South, it's like, they got all fucking day. Yeah, it's all right here. I got all day to say this fucking sentence. All day. So around eight or nine, his mother leaves the family. She just takes off, which is an odd.
Starting point is 00:11:43 We don't hear that very often. Yeah, that's weird. The mom took off. It's usually the other way around. Yeah, that's weird. The mom took off. It's usually the other way around. Yeah, it's dad. He's got to go make more kids. Mom takes off, goes to Baton Rouge, and never looks back. We did have one. Who was it that was in Texas with his dad because mom had like 13 kids?
Starting point is 00:11:59 Where was that one? Was it Ayala, maybe? No, no, no. It was Antonio. It was fairly recent, too. This guy reminds me a lot of Brian Spencer. Okay. We'll get into. All right.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Remember Brian Spencer? Early 40s of our episodes. Yeah. He was a 41, 42. Brian Spencer, he's a hockey player that they found, like, you know, there was stories about him shooting moose out his window for dinner and shit like that. Like, this is the southern version of Brian Spencer's Canadian upbringing. Dad really gave a shit.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Dad gave a shit. Dad gave a shit. Dad, yeah, the mother leaves, but, you know, the father would go to all the Little League games, and Toe would do Little League and T-ball and all that sort of thing, and, you know, was as big as his father when he was 12, you know. That's so awesome. Yeah, he's a huge shag kid. I wish I was like that.
Starting point is 00:12:40 I know, right? Well, also, I was tall like that, but I'd like to have the athletic abilities and gifts that this guy has here. Yeah, Charles would just come. Charles is his dad. Tootie would just come and watch the game, sit in the bleachers. He was an amazing player, so right away. I just want to be tall for the reason that you never see a tall homeless guy, ever.
Starting point is 00:13:01 You never see that. It's true. The freeways here are littered with people begging for change and they're all my height or shorter there's nobody that's six foot five standing on a freeway overpass it's very a sign that says stranded for like four months you don't see that but i'm excited about that because i don't want to be homeless and at this rate you're gonna be all right yeah i hope i'll be all right figure it out for you but for me i'm fucked if i don't keep the job if i don't keep the bills paid i'm completely i'll be all right here. We'll figure it out for you. But for me, I'm fucked if I don't keep a job.
Starting point is 00:13:28 If I don't keep the bills paid, I'll be on an overpass. He's too tall. We have to give him a job. I'm sorry. He's just way too tall. We need him to stock the shelves. At least that. There's something.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Yeah, I feel like maybe that's it. I'm not sure. We don't have to put him through ladder safety. That'll help a lot. That'll help a lot. So Toe is going through Little League. He's doing his thing, no mother,
Starting point is 00:13:47 you know, having problems in school a little bit that we'll talk about in a moment, but on the field doesn't matter because there's some interesting thing that happens here and a really, really fortuitous little meeting that happens for him. At 1994, he's 12 years old,
Starting point is 00:14:01 he's playing in Little League, he's in the Dixie Youth Tournament, it's in Hammond, Louisiana. At this point, he's 5'10", 140 pounds. He's 12 years old. He's a big, big kid. In this game, he strikes because he's a pitcher. He pitches and hits, and he's good at both.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Because he's big. Yeah, exactly. He's a big kid, and he's just smoking people. He strikes out 17 of 21 batters that he faces. My goodness. And he's throwing a 70-mile-an-hour fastball, which, as you know, in Little League is equivalent to like 100 in majors. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Because it's a shorter distance. So 70 is a lot faster. And he hit two home runs in this game. He's the hero. He is crushing it. Now, you'd think his dad tooties out in the stands and a couple people from the cane fields and all that. But also who was in the stands was a guy named Benny Latino.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Benny Latino is a Tampa Bay Devil Rays scout. Oh, son of a bitch. He's a scout. At this point, he wasn't a scout. He was a former. He's a college baseball player, and he had a knee injury, and he was trying to become a scout. So he was just getting into the scouting game, kind of a part-time scout. And he just found a hero. Yeah's from ham he's from hammond wow and one of his friends was had a kid
Starting point is 00:15:10 playing in the tournament so lucky he loves baseball he's like i'll come watch your kid play and he sees toe and he's like who the fuck is that guy yeah like literally he said who is that like after the game his buddy's like do you see my like, yeah, I watched that hero strike him out 11 times. Yeah, it's absolutely insanity. I mean, he said he was the best Little Leaguer he's ever seen in his life. He said, I've never seen another guy like that. He said, what is his name, Toe? And he just filed it away.
Starting point is 00:15:38 And he's like, I'm going to look for that kid in 5, 10 years. I'm going to look for him through high school because that's a guy. We need that. Yeah, that's a guy that's going to be doing something. high school because that's a guy. We need that. Yeah. That's a guy that's going to be doing something. He can do that at 12. Wait till he's 18. Yeah. Let's see what he does, you know, once he gets some real size under him, some experience
Starting point is 00:15:54 and some seasoning. And nothing to do down here. All he's got is baseball and he's going to figure it out. Some coaching. Yeah. But he has problems, though. Like I said, in school he he has issues he has no issues he well he's expelled from schools for fighting what he's expelled for schools from
Starting point is 00:16:11 fighting uh he's expelled from two schools uh and then finally he goes to like a like a like a reform type school like an alternative school like a you know military type school that they sent you to it's like either this or juvie, and he gets expelled from that. Wow. And so he basically just gets suspended, and after he's suspended, he just drops out. Oh, no. Now, at this point, he's only 15 years old. You need to be 16 to drop out legally in Louisiana, but he just stops showing up, and nobody looks at it.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Nobody keeps up at it, just like that, whatever. Toe said, quote, I was having problems at my house. I took it out on school. So he was just getting in fights. He's an angry kid. Yeah. Which, yeah. You know what?
Starting point is 00:16:50 Yeah. It's a rebellious attitude whenever you got shit going on. And he's hanging out with older kids. Of course he is. He's big. He's big. And they're exactly. He blends in.
Starting point is 00:16:57 He's hanging out with the older kids and they're not doing great. Also, at one of the schools, there were reports in his school records that he threatened a teacher with a knife, which is a bad move. You shouldn't really do that. Wow. So nobody notices that he drops out, so what he does is he goes, he lives in a trailer, a really
Starting point is 00:17:17 shitty trailer with a couple of friends, no phone, no anything, and works the cane fields with his dad. That's what he's doing. Because his dad's working, like, has been working since the mother left. He's been, Toe has been looking after his little sister, Joanna, while his father works a bunch of different jobs trying to make ends meet. He does construction. He works the cane fields.
Starting point is 00:17:39 He's a good dad, and he's just trying to get it done. He doesn't have a lot of time to keep his eye on this kid. And so he starts tearing away and acting like an asshole, which happens if you have no supervision. And you're 12 and older kids influence you. That's going to happen. Absolutely. So at this point, I still feel bad for him. So once we get into high school or whatever, he's dropped out of high school.
Starting point is 00:18:00 He's past 16. By the way, the Toe nickname worked out because he wears size 18 shoes. They should call him Greg. What? Toe is not there. They should call him Greg Femurcock Nash. That's what they should call him. Femurcock.
Starting point is 00:18:15 He is wearing an 18. 18. He fits his foot into a first base glove mitt. That's crazy. Wow. That is a huge foot. The funny part is when he hits, like we said, he's such a good hitter. He doesn crazy. Insanity. Wow. That is a huge foot. The funny part is when he hits, like we said, he's such a good
Starting point is 00:18:28 hitter, he doesn't even use his bat. He just swings his cock around and waits for the ball and just twirls it and bang. That's incredible. It's incredible. You should see it. It's wild. It's quite the feat. It's quite the feat. I'll say that. By the way, all the fluff pieces on this guy, every single one of them
Starting point is 00:18:44 has a pun. Really? Every single one of them every single one of them has a pun. Really? Every single one of them. And none of them mentions a cock. Toes, big feet, you know, F-E-A-T and shit like that. This was the most annoying. Most annoying case to research. This was the most annoyed I've ever been at articles in this case. Every time I'd open a new one, I'm like, oh, you son of a bitch.
Starting point is 00:19:02 Fuck you. Oh, just fuck you. You thought you were clever. And you know the thing is, they didn't repeat them either. They all had to look. They want to make a pun, and they all had to look at the other puns that have already been made, and they were like, no, no, no. I gotta dig deeper. Toe's big feet. Yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 00:19:16 So he's hanging around. Toe, femur cock, is hanging around. He's in Sorrento. He's playing baseball. He's shooting hoops, hanging out, drifting out drifting just you know goes from friend's house to friend's house doesn't really have a set place he's really living people are kind of helping him out that sort of thing uh he says about this let's let's do it in their own words let's fire up in their own words here for how everyone is to him in Sorrento and
Starting point is 00:19:40 why he just kind of goes from back because it it seems like he's just drifting from house to house. And he says in their own words, quote, it's a little small town. I'm going to say that everybody's black down there and kin to you. I was helping them out, and they gave me a few dollars. So you'd go do like odd jobs and shit. And then they'd give them a few bucks and let them stay there. And everybody's kin, which sounds terrible. I don't want anybody to be kin. That sounds awful.
Starting point is 00:20:04 That sounds like you have to talk to a lot of people you don't want to talk to all the time. Everybody's kin? No, thank you. No, thanks. I don't even like my own. No, no. So he doesn't go to high school at all. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Nothing. He drops out in the middle of the eighth grade. But this man made it to professional sports. Well, let's get into it. How the fuck did that happen? That's what I mean. This story is incredible, and it seems fake. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Right now, he's a lost kid, dropped out, working in the sugar fields. How the fuck does he get to going from trailer to trailer, working in the sugar fields with no education, not playing high school baseball, not doing anything, to becoming a professional athlete? That is the trip here. This is insane. And then how does he piss it away? That's the other part. Right. How do you not value that so much that you're like, I've been through the shit.
Starting point is 00:20:50 I don't want to go back to the shit. Well, he apparently doesn't. He has no interest in it. Instead, he sticks around. Now, six years later, this is when he would be 18 years old. This is about 2000. Benny Latino starts looking for him. He starts checking him out.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Now, what he's doing is he's looking in all the like the prospect magazines that they put out. You know, he's looking through that. He starts looking through newspaper articles to see high school results. Yeah. To see his name in there. Can't find him there. Can't find him anywhere. He's looking everywhere to find him.
Starting point is 00:21:26 He went everywhere. He went to, literally was walking around the town, popping his head in the barbershop going, you know a kid named Toe? Big kid, real good at baseball. Literally, that's what he's doing. I mean, it's such a small town. That's a great strategy.
Starting point is 00:21:40 He's going in the schoolyards. He's asking like going to high schools. You know Toe? You know a big guy named Toe? Everything short of going to the dairy and putting it on the milk cartons. Pretty much. He basically was like showing up going, hey, you know a guy, he hit a ball really far when he was 12.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Should be about 18 now. Huge cock. Huge cock. Huge cock. Down to his knees, swings it, hits the ball. Can't wear shorts. Huge cock. Can't wear shorts.
Starting point is 00:22:01 He does. He has to wear jockeys, keep it all locked up. Wraps it around his waist like a belt, keep his pants up. You know the guy I'm talking about. Cock print on his tie. That guy. That guy. So he asks. He can't find him. Finally, somebody says, yeah, that guy.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he plays in this league over here. And he's like, what fucking league is this? So he finds out it's the Sugar Cane League is what he plays in this league over here. Really? And he's like, what fucking league is this? So he finds out it's the Sugar Cane League is what he plays in. And we'll get into the Sugar Cane League in a second here. Isn't Sugar Cane like tall sticks? Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he just like? This field, by the way, the Sugar Cane. Yeah, they're just chopping him down like a machete. I mean, it's like a Harry Belafonte song. It's sad. So he just uses his dick and knocks it all down. So the field they play in is interesting, too, the sugar cane league.
Starting point is 00:22:49 There's no walls. There's no wall. It's just literally the sugar cane. It's like Field of Dreams where it just ends at the corn. Like the green monster is just the sugar monster. That's what it is. It's the sugar monster. You can't go get the ball when you hit it out there.
Starting point is 00:23:02 It's gone. It's in the sugar. It's in the sugar. There's a gator out there chomping on it. Good luck. Snakes. Poisonous shit. Enjoy. I want to play there. That's cool. It sounds fun. So anyway, it's in
Starting point is 00:23:13 Tangapahoa is the Close enough. Fuck it. That's where this field is. Jesus Christ. That is a rough name. That's where this field is. People have described the field many different ways, which is pretty funny because it's been described complete opposite
Starting point is 00:23:30 ways. Like a lot of people said they had a bunch of, basically down the sides of the field they'd have a bunch of people in oil drums cooking shit. Really? Like barbecuing. What? Like when were we talking about bourbon, like the shopping cart jerk chicken? This is oil drum. We had those when I was a kid, the 50-gallon drum.
Starting point is 00:23:46 That was our barbecue. It's just sawed in half, and then there's a great place in there. That's what they're doing. That's awesome. That's what they're doing. This feels so home to me. I'm telling you, man. What this league is, is it's mostly amateurs, but there are some has-beens, but they're has-beens that never were.
Starting point is 00:24:06 They were like, that guy played half a year in single A when he was 20, and now he's 45, and he works at the oil refinery, and he's playing baseball. That's awesome. It's a semi-pro league. This sounds great. It's a semi-pro league because it's kind of like sometimes they might get a couple bucks, but for the most part, the winning team gets like, you know, you get more crawfish and gator. Literally, whatever they brought in to cook.
Starting point is 00:24:27 You get more southern boil. Yeah. It's like, there, you get an extra help and a crawfish today. That's what they were doing. So terrible. It's insane. So, yeah, Benny Latino comes here among these. To see this circus.
Starting point is 00:24:40 To see this circus, this league, this bunch of guys that are, and these guys literally, a lot of them are 40 years old. Some of them never even played. Some of them are just guys who work at the oil refinery or work in the fields and whatever. They played Little League or something and they're half decent or whatever. It's pretty fucking interesting. So Benny Latino, now he's a full-fledged scout for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, a major league baseball team, comes here to see him.
Starting point is 00:25:05 Okay. And at this point, he doesn't even have a toe. He doesn't even have a birth certificate. He doesn't have a social security card. Damn sure no diploma. He's got no documentation that he's a human being of the citizen of the United States. This leads you to so many questions. How bad is Benny's life?
Starting point is 00:25:23 Are the Devil Rays saying, you need to find us a fucking player that's what these guys do and he's just out there just beating feet I've seen a lot on this this is crazy yeah what a life this reminds me of there's an Albert Brooks movie with Brendan Fraser from I go back to this about 1991 I about 1991, I would say. Ah, Brendan Fraser. And it's called The Scout. And it's Albert Brooks as a scout for the Yankees. And he finds Brendan Fraser deep in some Mexican town somewhere where he's like the hero of the town. He throws like 110 miles an hour. They should have tied that in with like Encino Man or Tarzan or some shit. He's always a recluse weirdo. Always a recluse weirdo.
Starting point is 00:26:03 He's always either buried in fucking ice or living underground for 50 years. Or living in Canada. He's a fucking Mountie. Yeah, or he's in Mexico being some. But anyway, Albert Brooks takes Brendan Fraser to New York City and they make a big spectacle out of him. Or he's in Egypt hunting mummies. Yeah, or he's in Egypt hunting. Always a recluse weirdo.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Always. Or he's always an outcast. The school movie where he's the Jewish guy where everybody makes fun of him. The tall, good-looking guy is an outcast. He's always a weirdo and an outcast. Thanks, Hollywood. Very well-spoken, too, which is another people hate that.
Starting point is 00:26:38 That never gets you. Or a rock and roller that hijacks a fucking radio station. Remember Airheads? Oh, yeah, Airheads. Yes, I do remember that. Steve Buscemi. We were going way too far down the fucking... Adam Sandler. Yeah. Ah, so sad. A lot of money in that cast.
Starting point is 00:26:50 It was terrible. A lot of money in that cast now, though. That's funny. Except for Brendan Fraser. He's made a lot of fucking money. Does he generate a lot of money? Dude, he made a lot of money. He was in those fucking goofy movies
Starting point is 00:27:00 in like around 2000. Everything he was in was a goofy fucking movie. He was like George in the Jungle and all that shit. Yeah, yeah. He's been in so many things. Fucking Dudley Do-Right. It's ridiculous. Anyway, moving on.
Starting point is 00:27:09 But that's what this is like. This is like a scout. Scouts have a thing where their job is to find someone that no one else has seen. Right. Because everybody else. There's no scent on them at all yet. No. In 2000, by 2000, everything's computerized.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Everything, there's reports. Everybody's seen everybody. You're not going to find a diamond in the rough. You're just competing with that guy, with the other team to either sign them or you're like, I like him a little better than I like him. You've got to represent your town that you're at and tell them about all the great stuff there to try to entice them to come there. Plus, you have to find the right guys.
Starting point is 00:27:42 But, I mean, it's normally like, is this guy better? We have two top prospects, and I think he's a little bit better, and the other team thinks that that guy's a little bit better, so I'll be the right. This is like, to find a guy in the middle of nowhere like this is like some bullshit from the 40s. You know what I mean? Like, oh, we found him out on the dairy farm, hucking cow shit against a fucking barn. And we said, well, that's some good arm you got there with that cow shit. It's like male league of their own. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:28:11 I was thinking of Geena Davis on the dairy. That's exactly what I was thinking of. I don't know. You connected with me without even saying anything about it. Hilarious. I knew exactly what you were doing there. So anyway, we'll find out what Latino thought of Nash here when we see him, but the Sugarcane League,
Starting point is 00:28:27 here's another sports connection to this. There's a professional athlete involved in the Sugarcane League that runs it. Nash's uncle, his uncle is a former NBA basketball player. Former NBA player? Steve Nash? No, definitely not.
Starting point is 00:28:43 John Hot Rod Williams. Shut your mouth. Remember Hot Rod, the old center? Oh, my God, I have his autograph. Yeah, old Hot Rod Williams, 6'11 center from back in the day. Went to Tulane, and we'll talk about that in a second, too. He was a foul machine. Anytime he got anywhere near anybody with the ball, they're just...
Starting point is 00:28:57 He was a body. Yeah. He was a body. Poor guy. He was like, go get in the way, because he didn't have the skills. But he played in the league for a long time. He used to bring his kids to the pizza restaurant that I got robbed at gunpoint at. No shit.
Starting point is 00:29:09 He used to bring them there when he played for the Suns. And he'd bring them there with Dan Marley and Frank Johnson. And that's in the 90s, right? In the early 90s. In the early 90s. 98. 98, 99. It was after it was done, I imagine.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Okay. But they used to still bring their kids there. Well, he, at this point, in about 2000, I would assume so. He seems like a decent guy, actually. In 2000, he is living in Louisiana. Okay. He's living down in Sorrento. He runs the Sugar League team.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Okay. He's the fucking GM? Well, his team is the Williams All-Stars. Okay. And they even have their jerseys, I saw, as we'll get into later on, have a Washington Nationals W on them, kind of like the Williams. Yeah. He came back to the area when he was done.
Starting point is 00:29:57 He started a construction company, Hot Rod, and also bought a bunch of cane fields. Okay. And he's known for giving money back to the local community. Ah. Trying to help the kids. NBA Pablo Escobar. Yeah, trying to help the kids. It's said that he spent $1 million on this baseball field.
Starting point is 00:30:11 What a guy. Which isn't bad. And that doesn't build you much of a baseball field, by the way. No. It gets you sugar cane for a fucking fence. It gets you sugar cane for a wall and oil drums for the sidewalls. But still, it's somewhere where these guys can go play. And he doesn't make any money off it.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Doesn't really lose any. I think it's just one of those things where it's like- It's a wash. It's a right play. And he doesn't make any money off it, doesn't really lose any. I think it's just one of those things where it's like – It's a wash. It's a right option. And it makes him look good. Right. It makes him look real good. And I think he likes it.
Starting point is 00:30:31 I think he likes sports, and I think that – So anyway, Benny Latino watches toe, gets to the plate, and he pitches too. He's throwing 93, 94 miles an hour on the mound. Oh, my goodness. And he's hitting home runs from both sides of the plate that are going well over 400 feet. What? He's ambidextrous? He's a switch hitter.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Wow. Yeah, he's a switch hitter, which is crazy, too. Amazing. So Benny Latino of this said, quote, I remember in the second inning he hit a home run, a towering home run. As the game continued to play out, he's batting left-handed. I said, oh, look at this. And if it was 402 down the right side, then he hit it 460. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Light tower power was what we called it because of the way it happened. Babe Ruth, the name Babe Ruth got stamped on him. The only guy who had power like that and played in that park, this is in later on, another park, was Josh Hamilton the year before. But this kid was a switch hitter. My God. So he's saying that this guy looks better than Josh Hamilton. This kid was a switch hitter. My God.
Starting point is 00:31:26 So he's saying that this guy looks better than Josh Hamilton, who if you don't know who Josh Hamilton is, Josh Hamilton is a multi-time MVP who hit 50 home runs a couple of times in the majors. He matters. And has a shitload of drug issues and gets kicked out of the league every three years. So Josh Hamilton does all that on steroids. This kid does it on sugar cane. This kid does it on goddamn sugar cane. Right. And just low center of gravity with that dick.
Starting point is 00:31:45 Yeah, that's the thing, man. That's the thing. He's got that dick. It balances him. He's got amazing balance. He must be moving it to the left leg, pant leg, when he bats left. Yeah. And then right for the power.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I think that's what he does. It's got to be, yeah. They say keep your weight on your back foot. Right. And he's like, all right, hold on. Let me switch it. Let me adjust. He's like, all right, now I'm cool.
Starting point is 00:32:04 I can't help but keep it on my back foot now. Let me tuck all this over there. Because I got my femur cock on there. So Benny Latino is impressed, as you might imagine. I'm thinking about this from Benny Latino's point of view. He saw this guy randomly when he was 12. Yeah. Couldn't find him.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Disappeared off the face of the earth. And then he goes to some sugar cane semi-pro with a bunch of fat 40-year-old guys that played high school baseball and finds this. Right. He just followed the footprints with the snake trail between the legs all the way to the baseball field. He must have thought, like,
Starting point is 00:32:41 imagine the jackpot he thought he hit. Oh, my God, I can't imagine. He's going to be considered a genius because no one else knew this guy even exists. Right. So, like, they're going to be like, Benny Latino is the most amazing scout out there. Benny the Bloodhound Latino. That's what they're going to call him. Yeah, Bloodhound found the femur cock.
Starting point is 00:32:56 So, the Devil Rays and Latino decide to bring Nash to their minor league camp in Princeton, West Virginia, to work out in front of the scouting director, Dan Jennings, to see if we can. So lucky. This is amazing what's happening here. But they give him a flight. They give him a plane ticket. He's never been on a plane before.
Starting point is 00:33:15 He knows nothing about it. He had to change planes in Atlanta. So they put him on the plane in Louisiana. That's fine. He gets to Atlanta, and he's got to switch. And Atlanta's a busy airport. And he freaks the fuck out. Oh, I'm sure. He had like a Brendan Fraser and the Scout panic attack.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Like literally this is what Brendan Fraser did in that. Brendan Fraser at the high school in Encino, man. Yeah. Well, no. And the Scout, like he went out on a building ledge because he couldn't take it anymore. Like he needed to be alone and he was all freaked out. This is what happened here. He completely panicked.
Starting point is 00:33:44 He thought he had to get his bags and transfer them to the next flight and he couldn't do it and didn't know how to do it and he went down to the to the luggage thing and his bags weren't there and so he didn't know what to do and he just freaked the fuck out so he he picked out uh he found he found uh hot rod his uncle he found his phone number he had it in his pocket somewhere in his wallet. I thought you were fixing to say he found some bags that were closing up. No, no, no. He's like, I'll just take these. That's theft, son.
Starting point is 00:34:10 These have clothes in them. This will work. There's your first criminal act. I'll just wear this shit here. So, yeah. So he calls Hot Rod and he's freaking out. And Hot Rod, we have a quote. Hot Rod says, quote, he was crying.
Starting point is 00:34:22 It took him, he wanted to come home. It took him a while to calm down. So he just said, never mind. I don't want to do this anymore. Forget it. This air portion is crazy. I can't do it. I don't know what I'm doing.
Starting point is 00:34:31 I want to come home. It's easier just to send me home. So Hot Rod said, chill the fuck out. Yeah. Get on. This is what you do. Don't worry about that. Done it a million times.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Go to the lady at the desk. Go to the guy at the desk and fucking ask them. They'll help you. He just walked him through the whole thing like a good guy would do uh toe says about flying he said quote i always said when i was small i was never getting on a plane oh i always looked at tv and saw plane crashes so he was like freaked out and this was like his nightmare every plane goes up comes down yes so he finally gets to princeton west virginia to do this, okay, to have his tryout or to show off in front of Dan Jennings, the scouting director. And one thing that's impressive here is he's completely out of his element.
Starting point is 00:35:13 He's never been out of this town. He plays in a sugar field for nobody, for it doesn't matter. He's been freaked out on a plane, all this shit. And he steps on the field, though, and wouldn't know it at all. All of a sudden it comes back to him. Wouldn't know it at all. And they said he had a goofy-ass stance, too. Oh, I'm sure he did.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Right-handed, he had his feet real close together. He was kind of standing straight upright like Mickey Tettleton used to do back in the day, like a weird stance. I think he did the weird thing with the bat, but he was just a weird stance, uppercut swing, and they were like, he looks goofy as shit. What are you bringing us? But he's huge. Right.
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Starting point is 00:37:55 middle aged white man extraordinaire. Holy shit. Is this guy silver? Wow. No matter what happens, he's just like, but it's cool. Like it's fucking. No, we don't want to. We'll figure it we'll figure it out we love the kid so he says dan jennings says of him on on the whole toe thing when they get him there he says quote we get him out meet the kid and he starts to take batting
Starting point is 00:38:16 practice he's hitting left-handed and he's depositing balls up over the light poles into the high school field right-handed same scenario majestic high home runs which is blowing them away huge in that area now we have an in their own words about toe and about what he thinks about this whole thing and why he wasn't intimidated and why he just went there he says in their own words quote i just think about playing baseball that's the same everywhere i'm not worried about the things on the field it's the things off the field that can be worrying yeah and we he's got some worries. That's just what's going to happen, boy.
Starting point is 00:38:47 I love it. It's coming real quick, too. Really? Yeah. He blows it that fast? Oh, boy. So Nash, so he's 18 years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:56 He's jacked. He's 6'6". He's 235 at this point. Got the baseball world by the balls. He's the cock of three horses. Yeah. Just amazing. So, yeah, he's hitting balls all by the balls. The cock of three horses. Just amazing.
Starting point is 00:39:07 So, yeah, he's hitting balls all over the place. And Jennings basically, Jennings said, he's pulling out his checkbook at this point. He said, how fast can we sign this guy? And Latino says to him, quote, wait. Wait for a second. Wait until you see this. So he says. Pull it out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:25 So this is when he starts pitching at this point. And so he's got kind of a wild, not really a worked-on wind-up. A wind-up is something that people teach you and you have to really. He's just kind of hucking it out there. It's very personal, too. To each pitcher, they're all different. They're all different. He's throwing 91, 93, 95.
Starting point is 00:39:43 It's going up on the radar gun. And they're like, holy shit. We got a pitcher that hits home runs? Yeah, that's amazing. So that's Babe Ruth is the only guy they can think of like that. So Jennings saw that and he said, okay, I've seen enough. How much does he want? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:57 He just said, how much does he want? Buy him his talent. What can we do here? So they end up signing him at this point. They sign him to Tampa Bay for a $30,000 signing bonus. That's all he gets because he's undrafted. He has no leverage. That's the most money he's ever seen in his life.
Starting point is 00:40:11 And he can't even imagine what $30,000 looks like. And he got it. And he bought his sister, Joanne, some toys. His little sister bought her some toys, bought himself some shirts. And at the advice of his agent now, now he's got an agent. His agent is, anyway, at the advice of his agent, he put the rest in the bank. Now, later on, that's a little sketchy because of what, there's some accusations toward his agent.
Starting point is 00:40:34 His agent is Larry Reynolds, who is former Major League Baseball player Harold Reynolds' brother. Really? Harold Reynolds, who was on ESPN or whatever, Baseball MLB Network, one of those. He played in the league forever and then he's been a commentator for Christ, 20 years now. So that's him. So it's all kind of connected in with this. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:52 So anyway, he's advising him at this point. Now, Latino, Benny, started to look after him, basically. He just wants to make sure to keep this kid kind of, you know. Coddled and protected. And try to groom him. him, basically. He just wants to make sure to keep this kid kind of, you know. Coddled and protected. And try to groom him. Yeah, absolutely. So they would, you know, he'd take him to his house and they'd buy him food, stuff like that. He'd feed him.
Starting point is 00:41:13 I'm sure this kid eats like a horse. Oh, I'm sure. He's got a dick like a horse. I can't imagine his appetite's much less. So, you know, they'd go to the mall and shit like that. And so the one day he takes him to the mall, he lends him $500. Benny Latino lends Toe $500. And dollars and he says quote you will be a major leaguer someday and major leaguers need clothes pick some out he said you got to buy some new
Starting point is 00:41:33 clothes and get yourself yeah he's trying to make him like hey you're going to be a big leader your rope looks silly let's get out of that jethro let's do this shit so at this point in time it starts to get out once they him, it starts being a media thing. USA Today does a story on him. Oh, shit. Next thing you know, there's TV networks calling, Oprah Winfrey's calling, there's book and movie offers coming at
Starting point is 00:41:56 him and all this shit. And he hasn't even played yet. Well, this is, because this is ridiculous. This doesn't happen. It doesn't happen so much that 90% of the major leagues of baseball organizations don't believe he's a real person. They think it's a hoax. That's so great. This has some precedent. There was a hoax. Have you ever heard of Sid Finch by any chance? Anybody out there ever heard of Sid Finch? Sid Finch is a fictional character, but nobody knew that. In Sports Illustrated, April 1st, 1985, April Fool's Day, Sports Illustrated tasked George
Starting point is 00:42:29 Plimpton, who's a writer, tasked him with basically doing a story and accruing all the stories of like sports April Fool's things, like sports prank things for April Fool's Day. Now, Plimpton went around and couldn't really find that many. So he made his own. So he asked the editor, is it all right if I just write one and make one up? And he was like, that's great. Do it.
Starting point is 00:42:49 So he makes up a guy named Sid Finch. OK. And it's called The Curious Case of Sid Finch. Fucking Sports Illustrated. And it's amazing. It's amazing what you get away with pre-internet, right? Right. He says that Finch was raised in an English orphanage, learned yoga in Tibet and could throw a baseball as fast as a hundred and sixty eight miles. Oh, Jesus. It's like sixty five miles an hour more than any human had ever thrown at that moment in time. And people bought this shit. That's the terrible.
Starting point is 00:43:17 I bought it, but they bought it for a reason. OK, because they said he's just signed with the Mets and the Mets went along with it. they said he's just signed with the Mets and the Mets went along with it. He contacted the Mets and the Mets said, cool, the Mets put a locker in between Darryl Strawberry and Lenny Dykstra. Oh, those assholes. Yeah, in spring training
Starting point is 00:43:34 they put a locker right between Strawberry and Dykstra. They had Finch right there and they brought a guy in. It's insane. They brought a guy in to take all these pictures. Wow, they even put a face to it. They put a face to it. They said his 168 mile an hour
Starting point is 00:43:49 fastball. They said when he pitched, he only wore one shoe and it was a heavy hiker's boot. That's all he would wear when he pitched. And people bought this shit. He had never played baseball before, but just picked up a baseball and can throw accurately 168 miles an hour the guy
Starting point is 00:44:05 must be so lopsided to be able to throw that fast his arm is right without warming up too they said you could just get on the mound with one heavy hiker's boot and throw 168 miles an hour no problem how come i never heard this the mets even put out a scouting report like because they have these scouting sheets where they you know when they look at a guy they number he's an eight at this he's a seven at this eight is the highest score you can get in a particular area speed power all that sort of shit so the mets released their scouting report on him and in the highest you can get is eight and in fastball velocity and control they gave him a nine so like this is amazing so oh jesus this is fucking embarrassing it's incredible they said that he was that's what i mean this is but if it's this out there yeah and a team
Starting point is 00:44:53 says it's true like you believe it yeah like people fucking believed it right so you got you gotta think like it's april fool's day you you don't see that on the fucking on the on the cover of the issue. It's April 1st. Nobody picks it up. It just happened that that would... And who gets the credit for this? Does Plimpton get it or do the Mets get it?
Starting point is 00:45:13 It's Plimpton's idea. He just got the Mets. He just kind of... That's like blurting out a great premise and then... Well, he contacted the Mets and orchestrated the whole thing. Okay, all right. They would go along with it. And they were like, yeah, this is hilarious.
Starting point is 00:45:24 They did way more by getting the fucking locker. They gave him a uniform number. He was number 21. Hanging in his locker. 21, Finch. He didn't decide it yet. He'd signed with the Mets but he hadn't decided whether he wants to play baseball or play the French horn.
Starting point is 00:45:40 He couldn't decide. Or possibly golf. He didn't know. I don't know if I want to be a multi-millionaire or maybe just play the fucking French horn. I should give it away. That should be like, this guy's fucking with us, obviously. Absolutely. So they actually bring a guy in to play him, like to take pictures. A guy named Joe Burton, who's a junior high school art teacher from Oak Park, Illinois.
Starting point is 00:46:02 That's who they bring in. He's about 6'4". They take pictures, kind of, you know, looking kind of down and stuff. There's a picture, like, he's kind of in a field, and he just looks like this big, lanky guy. He's got one shoe on. It's ridiculous. They take a picture with him.
Starting point is 00:46:16 This is what I mean. They not only provide the locker, the uniform, they also take a picture with him standing next to Lenny Dykstra, and on the other side of him, the Mets' actual pitching coach, Mel Stottlemyre. By the way, Lenny Dykstra, Episode 7, hilarious. Go back and listen to that. So, yeah, so they have him, like, there's a picture of him talking to the pitching coach.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Stottlemyre and Dykstra, right there. There's his locker. Sure, he's on the team. So this is an amazing hoax, and it turns out it's a goddamn hoax, obviously. That's what people thought this was. Hilarious. They were like, that's this. I mean, that's how you feel at this moment because there's no way somebody throws
Starting point is 00:46:51 95 miles an hour and hits towering home runs like that. From both sides of the plate. No one knows about him. He's never been seen. He played in a sugar cane league in the middle of nowhere and he hits towering light pole home runs from both sides of the plate for 95 miles an hour, but never went to high school.
Starting point is 00:47:08 And never been coached. And never been coached. Has no idea how to do this, yet he's doing it. Learned the game by hitting bottle caps. His dad threw them. It sounds just as ridiculous. Congratulations, Nolan Ryan, for living your entire life dedicating exactly to baseball. And yeah, you succeeded, but it took you, you know nothing about anything else because
Starting point is 00:47:24 that's all you do is baseball no it's but this kid can kill a gator with his bare hands and can hit home runs from both sides of the plate at least chop some cane down i'm not sure about the gator but he can get some cane down but that it's out this story and i told you that whole story just to see how much this sounds no less ridiculous than that it really doesn't yeah so literally all the a lot of the other teams were like, bullshit. Right. They heard the story. They were like, we'll see.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Yeah, right. They're full of shit. Fully once. Exactly. Now the Pirates, he also had a tryout with the Pirates a little bit earlier. They saw him also. But they didn't like, they loved what they saw on the field. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:02 But they had a couple of problems with him. Uh-oh. They knew a couple things about his past that the Tampa Bay Devil Rays did not know about. Really? They just saw him hitting home runs. They just saw money signs. Sign them. Tampa's got nobody.
Starting point is 00:48:13 We need him. Didn't look at that at all. Devil Rays Dan Jennings here says, We do not condone unlawful acts in our organization or our baseball team. Unless they can hit from both sides of the plate. Unless they hit giant home runs. So, yeah, he says about this at the same time, if we knew today what we had, what we'd known when that young man showed up at Princeton, we still would have signed him.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Really? So let's find out what they didn't know. All right. OK, this was what scared off the pirates. Yes, this was in Okay. This was. What scared off the pirates? Yes. This was in 2001. This was happening. What scared off a team literally named after fucking criminals? After criminals.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Exactly. So this all, he went to the tryout in West Virginia, all that. That's 2001. Now, back in March of 2000, beginning in March of 2000, until this starts where he leaves for West Virginia, he's arrested five times in 10 months. Whoa. And this is after he turned 18. Oh, that's not good.
Starting point is 00:49:09 We don't know what his juvenile record was. All we do know is one of the things he got in trouble for when he turned 18 was missing a court date for something that happened before he was 18. So this is, we're catching him midstream. Right. He didn't turn 18 and just decide to start getting arrested. No, absolutely not. So March 2000, he is arrested for driving without a license and marijuana possession.
Starting point is 00:49:31 That's in March 2000. That's not good. That's some Southern boy behavior. That's some stupid kid shit, too. That's like you live in a rural area. You took a guy's car and a little weed in your pocket. I mean, whatever. He's 18 years old.
Starting point is 00:49:42 More than that, he doesn't have a birth certificate to get a license. That's the thing. He's like, I need a license. I mean, whatever. He's 18 years old. More than that, he doesn't have a birth certificate to get a license. That's the thing. He's like, I need a license. I can drive just fine. Documentation, you know, whatever here. Now, in April 2000, April 2000, he is arrested and booked with simple battery,
Starting point is 00:49:58 simple robbery, possession of marijuana, and possession of Valium. Okay. Now it's getting a little worse. That's the next month. Now we're getting into this. That's just a little worse. That's the next month. Now we're getting into this. That's just a month later. That's a month later. Yeah. This is the assault.
Starting point is 00:50:08 According to the police, there was a guy named Chris Onkel, O-N-C-A-L-E, Onkel, I don't know, Onkele, whatever the fuck you want to say. Guy named Chris. He's shit-faced at a party. He gets in a fight with these people and Nash and another individual beat this Chris guy into a pulp. Basically, it happens. What the problem was, the man who was with Nash took this guy's wallet out, took $200 from him, and gave Nash $25 of it. That doesn't seem like an even split.
Starting point is 00:50:42 No, because these are all older guys that use Nash. This is what you get, sir. This is what you get. So, yeah, that's what it is. They asked Nash what happened, and he said that this Chris guy came up and, quote, had some fighting words. And then they all got in a fight, apparently. Heard you got a huge cock. Yes.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Heard you got, yeah, heard your cock's not down to your knees. And he said, damn it is. And he beat him with it. Took it out of his pants. Unmercifully. Unmercifully pummeled him with it uh so now this chris onical on cal guy he's got two black eyes a busted lip scrapes cuts broken stuff here and there you know just how he looks like he got the shit beat up in the fight yeah uh now uh there's a witness that said that the man who was with nash
Starting point is 00:51:21 was the only one who actually hit this Chris guy. But there's conflicting reports. Chris said that both the guys beat him up, basically. They both kicked his ass. But the thing is, the funny part is, later on, he says that he has no hard feelings toward Nash. They were on the same Little League baseball team when they were kids. And he says, quote, about Nash, he says, quote, he doesn't bother me no more. I've seen him a few times. Everything's all right.
Starting point is 00:51:47 I wasn't in the right state of mind. I didn't know where I was that night. He never said he was sorry, but he shook my hand. We're cool now. There's no hard feelings. That's how guys fight. That's how guys fight. That's a man fight.
Starting point is 00:51:57 Especially he grew up with him, whatever. And this guy now is starting to be successful, so it's like maybe I should be friends with this guy and not talk a bunch of shit about him. So I think it's that sort of thing there uh now also too that that never happened the charges never happened from that they never ended up going through because at the time this chris guy was on probation uh-oh and the this fight getting fights that's the thing this fight was a big deal so he just dropped the charges because otherwise he would he goes back to jail exactly it's one of
Starting point is 00:52:23 those things. Now, he... And also, too, he said he wanted to help Nash because he said Nash needs to get out of here, too. They said, are you trying to get... A reporter asked him, are you trying to, like, help Nash get out of here? And he said, quote, this Chris guy, he said, quote, hell yeah, that's what he needs. He needs to get away from the old people that he hangs around with. He's not wrong.
Starting point is 00:52:43 And that's a fact. He does. Now, November 2000, he is booked again on possession of marijuana charges. He can't shake the weed. This was the one. I think he was coming out of a convenience store, and he was doing something stupid, and cops came, and there was some intervention, and best thing you know. They discover weed.
Starting point is 00:53:00 They discover weed. Now, we're getting a little more serious. January of 2001, you have a little issue. Now, he has a girlfriend that he moved in with at this point. They live in a trailer. He is 20 years old. Yep. Or 19 years old.
Starting point is 00:53:17 She is 41. Oh, my God. She's 41. I guess they began seeing each other a while back, too. So she was in her 30s and he's a teenager. This is just like Spellman. We're doing another story about a guy who grew... Slang and dick in the older bro.
Starting point is 00:53:31 Body grew faster than the mind. Older women see it and they, hey, looks like an adult to me. And that's what happens. And it's a small town too, I think, is part of it. No offense to small towns, but this happens a lot. Happens everywhere, but there's not a lot of people there. Who else are you going to fuck? I looked all over this town. You're the one for me.
Starting point is 00:53:47 You're the one, right? This woman, Charlene Suttle, Nash used to play with her and babysit her four kids when he was 16 for a couple extra bucks. And she liked the way he took to the kids.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Father figure. She's like, he can be a dad. So bring him on liked the way he took to the kids. Father figure. Is what it was. She's like, he can be a dad. So bring him on in the house. He can be a dad. Let's start having sex. What do you say? Taste this and see if it's clean.
Starting point is 00:54:13 Yeah. She got mad. Now, also, too, she's white and he's black, which down there in this small town. It's a bit much. In this small town, it's not okay. Like, it's not cool in this small town, and people talk shit, and people, you know. Assholes. It's a bit much. In this small town, it's not okay. Right. Like, it's not cool in this small town and people talk shit
Starting point is 00:54:27 and people, you know. Assholes. It's assholes, exactly. It didn't go well I challenge you to have a baby with somebody of a different race
Starting point is 00:54:36 and tell me that that baby is not the most beautiful fucking thing you've ever seen. Genetic diversity is a good thing. It's great. That's how we cure racism.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Everybody fucks somebody that's not their race and then all children will be beige, and it will be amazing. All children will be beige. Beige babies fix the world. That's it. I'm telling you, my kids are a quarter Mexican, and my daughter is so beautiful. You need genetic diversity. It's good.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Just expand your gene pool. That's what I'm telling you. You need genetic diversity. It's good. Just expand your gene pool. That's what I'm telling you. You have to. Do it. That's the problem a lot of times, too. If you have a small town, there's a lot of genes that are floating around. Right. That's a problem. You get droopy eyes. You get fat necks. You get fat tongues. It's weird. Stagnant gene pool with mosquitoes
Starting point is 00:55:19 breeding in it. It's not great. Just find somebody from a different country and fuck them and make a baby. Do that. It's amazing. So January 2001, this had come to a head. He started, he's not coming home much anymore or around her and all that sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:55:37 And they start having some problems, basically. She said, when he signed with the Devil Rays, he said that he was leaving and not coming back he's like i'm going to play baseball and you and your four kids you and your 41 as 41 year old as can stay here been nice hanging with you uh now the judge slinging all this dick in you yeah uh what ended up happening was she got real pissed off at him of course and came after him with a knife. And we don't know what happened before that. There was some physical, you know, whatever,
Starting point is 00:56:10 I don't know, jostling for position here. She had a knife. I mean, normally I'd say it's never an even fight, but she does have a weapon in her hand. She just saved it with a playing field. But he's 6'6", 235, he's a big guy, whatever. They both end up getting charged with assault in this whole thing.
Starting point is 00:56:23 They borrow a simple battery or whatever it was. Now, the district attorney at this point said, quote, the lady he was living with was the aggressor. He came to get his clothes and she became unglued. So that caused a huge fight. He should have never done that. Like the old Bill Burbitt. Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Look at the shit I did. Exactly. So February of 2001, he is arrested again on account. This is right when they're signing him. They don't know about any of this shit. Like, that's what's crazy. They just signed him, but they don't know. And they didn't know this.
Starting point is 00:56:54 Nope. February of 2001. Unbelievable. I mean, really, looking back, all it is, it's minor drug possession is likely. I'm sure it's not a lot of weed. No, no, it's a little bit. So he's got minor drug possession and a scuffle with a girl. And a scuffle with a dude.
Starting point is 00:57:08 But that looks bad. The robbery looks bad. But in 10 months period, yeah, that's shitty. That's not good. This all adds up and they're like, Jesus. And they haven't even seen his juvenile record. They're like, who are we dealing with here? Who is this psycho?
Starting point is 00:57:17 Who is this guy? So they're a little bit, you know, they're a little bit leery of him. But this is, this does, they don't find out about any of this until a week after they sign. They've already got money invested when they. Yeah, they find out when he's arrested for possession of alcohol under 21. That's when they find out about the rest of it. And the sheriff's deputy from the county or from the parish in Louisiana said, quote, he's got some problems, obviously. This guy's name, by the way, before I go on, I was going to wait until the end.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Can I guess? Boone? You'll never guess this guy's name. It's not Extra Billy or some shit like that? No, no, no. His name, you'd never believe he was down here. But then again, there are a lot of Italians in Louisiana. That was one of the ports we came into first.
Starting point is 00:58:00 All right. This guy's name. Giuseppe? Sheriff's Deputy Tony Bacala. Hey, Tony Bacala. Let me see that license. That guy's name. Giuseppe. Sheriff's Deputy Tony Bacala. Hey, Tony Bacala. Let me see that license. That's so good. Let me see your license and registration.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Hey, you got any capicola in that car? What are you doing? Let me go. You got any prosciutto? You got any mozzarella? It's a routine cold cut check. Get out. I got to check you for cold cuts.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Routine cold cuts. Routine cold cut check. Get him out. got to check you for cold cuts. Routine cold cuts. Routine cold cut check. Get him out. Let's go. Come on. So good. It's like when you come from California, they make sure you have no fruits or vegetables. We may have just found a new character.
Starting point is 00:58:33 Yeah, Tony Bacala. I like Tony Bacala. Him and Bobby Colorado together. They're going to be pals. Wow. Famous pals. Wow. They would be great.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Tony Bacala throwing cold cuts to the dogs. Hey, where am I? Come here, honey. Sit, boy, sit. Get over here. What do you want? A little prosciutto? I'll give you a little prosciutto.
Starting point is 00:58:49 There you go, sweetheart. Yeah, come on. Let's give this duck. He looks like a salami puppy, aren't you? That's right. Beautiful. Unbelievable. He says, Tony Bacala.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Well, it's fucking the fat guy, the brother-in-law, fat guy in The Sopranos. You know, that's Bacala. It's Bobby Bacala. That's his fucking name. That guy, the brother-in-law, fat guy in The Sopranos. You know, that's Bacala. It's Bobby Bacala. That's his fucking name. That's what they call him. So it's a joke. And this is another one. This is a real guy.
Starting point is 00:59:11 It's the legit one. Named Tony Bacala. My stomach hurts. Wow. He said, Tony Bacala said, I need a sandwich. Let me get it. No, he said, he said he's got some problems, obviously. It seems as though
Starting point is 00:59:25 a lot of it revolves around two things drugs and the family friends girlfriend circle that's all there is drugs and everyone you know yeah that's who you get in trouble around what else is there he just has this one little problem with everybody he knows everyone he knows and everything he does it's just that as little things that's's the small minor inconveniences. Yeah. That's Jesus Christ. It's everybody that's ever been in trouble, by the way. Yeah. Everybody.
Starting point is 00:59:50 So that's what everybody does. It's everything and everybody. It's the shit they do with the people that they know. It's fucking ridiculous. So February 5th of 2001, this is right after this, the press comes to the Rays with this and they're like, hey, guys, what do you think of this? And Benny Latino and everybody says that they erred and they should have done a better
Starting point is 01:00:09 job researching Nash. But they, you know, they knew that he had some problems, a quote, but not to the amount or the extent is what they thought. Also, too, we'd like a ball player. That's what it is. That's what we would really enjoy. They didn't care. They're like, he's a freak of nature that we found in the sugar fields.
Starting point is 01:00:26 A fucking DUI or a marijuana possession or anything short of rape and murder. Fuck it. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. They said we stand to plan to stick with this with him through his problems. Jennings said quote, our scouting department fell down
Starting point is 01:00:42 because we should have dug deeper and found out more information. That said, I still would haveouting department fell down because we should have dug deeper and found out more information. That said, I still would have signed this player on his ability. And now we have him in our system and we will stand by this kid and provide him the guidance and direction to help him get his life straightened out, as we do with all of our players. Silver-haired, middle-aged white man, extraordinaire Jennings. But we're going to have a little talk with Mr. Latino about his scouting capabilities. All he's got to do is find the guy that can hit. Then it's the organization that has to do due diligence.
Starting point is 01:01:10 It's not this guy's job to look through police records. It was definitely a sit down with old Toe and threw his rap sheet in front of him. He was like, what the fuck is all that, fella? Why didn't you tell us that? Once they got to West Virginia, then it's all on the team. I brought him here. Here's his skills. If you want them, it's on you.
Starting point is 01:01:26 Figure it out. Me and Hot Rod got him through the airport. It's your fucking problem. Yeah, Hot Rod there, definitely. Now, the next week, this is so funny because we're going to get him straightened out. Everything's going to be fine. He's got all these charges hanging over his head. It's awful.
Starting point is 01:01:41 The Rays didn't know anything about it. Now they find out about it. Within the next week, Nash pleads not guilty. The trial's set for April 24th. But the next day, District Attorney, Assistant District Attorney Ben Johnson decides he's not going to proceed. That's nice. With the whole thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:58 What in the hell is that about? Yeah, it's amazing. He said, quote, a lot of people are calling not only myself but but the district attorney asking for help in this case and using some political leverage. And now it's become high profile. Silver-haired, middle-aged white men swarmed into effect. They started calling small-town district attorneys. Where can we donate some money? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:17 Hey, we got a reelection campaign coming up. We'd like to donate to you. Tony Bacala, we can owe him down there. Maybe he could help you out. Maybe we could all get together. Me, you, Bacala, the whole group, all of us. You know what I'm saying? Throw a little money your way and bing, bang, boom, bada, bing.
Starting point is 01:02:32 The charges disappear. Disappear. So he had five charges hanging over him. And this was on February 5th. By February 13th, he is 100% cleared of everything. No restrictions. Eight days. No nothing. That's how fast eight fucking days. Silver haired middle
Starting point is 01:02:48 aged white men can swing into action and take down a legal system. My God if only OJ still had some athletic prowess. Perfect. It'd be so easy. Eight fucking days. He reports to spring training. He's going to report in a little bit. No
Starting point is 01:03:04 restrictions for his legal deal. Nothing else. They had a hearing in Louisiana, and they put him in a pretrial intervention program rather than prosecuting him. Because that was a felony robbery charge on the one thing. On the boy, on Chris. Yeah, on the Chris thing. Whether he – Chris didn't want to press charges, but it's a felony robbery. So it doesn't mean he can't beat someone up and take their money.
Starting point is 01:03:25 So Nash is going to be on probation for six months, and if he stays out of trouble, record will be expunged. And he can go and pursue baseball and be a fucking hero. Be a fucking hero. Everything's great. You think it's going to work out for him? At this point, he doesn't have to fuck up. No.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Just stay on the straight and narrow, and you can be a hero to all of fucking Tampa Bay. Clear balance sheet. Jennings said, quote, everything is off. He'll be in spring training. I'm scared. No worries. It's fine. I'm so scared.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Everything dropped. Everything's good. Now, the district attorney, Falterman, down there in Ascension County, said he was trying to give Nash a break when he put him on probation. He sure in the fuck did. He did. He said, quote, the whole community wanted to help the kid. People were saying he needs a chance. He comes from a broken home.
Starting point is 01:04:08 He's very poor. It was another side of the track situation. Last year, I was getting letters from his manager, his agent, and everyone who was keeping track of him. He was doing everything he was supposed to be doing. So they were literally bombarding this district attorney with letters from everybody. His agent, even from Harold Reynolds, major scouts. Hot Rod Williams sent one.
Starting point is 01:04:28 You know he did. But the team, I mean, these are powerful, powerful millionaires are sending this guy letters. Now, Ben Johnson, the assistant district attorney, said, quote, I didn't do it just for Toe Nash. I'm not trying to glorify myself, talking about dropping the charges. He said, I see too many youth in our courtroom with the feeling of hopelessness and not getting their share of the American pie. Hopefully, if Toe can turn his life around, maybe he can reach back and save someone else. I initially said I wouldn't be part of the same old system that lets athletes get away with things and slip through the system. But on the other side, I prosecute so many youths that have no hope, no place to go,
Starting point is 01:05:02 no respect for the law or the system. So maybe if we can get one person out of this situation and into a better life, we should. And I'm a big fan of Crime and Sports. I want to contribute to their program. I want to be a silver-haired, middle-aged white man. That's what I want to be. Awesome. That is my role in this world. So he said, now the other Jennings said about the whole thing that he's going to stand behind
Starting point is 01:05:23 him, the head scout, he said, quote, other Jennings said about the whole thing that he's going to stand behind him, the head scout. He said, quote, I've taken this stance. This kid was in a situation, and it's not one he asked for. People say, will baseball give him a second chance? Baseball will give him a first chance. There are two sides to every story. That's what they're saying. So, yeah, they plan on playing him in the outfield while he's waiting to go and play. They send him in the care of Harold Reynolds.
Starting point is 01:05:47 What? Harold Reynolds, the former MLB baseball player and current announcer and everything else, they send him to California to live with Harold Reynolds. He lives with him. It's insane because that's his agent's brother. They're together 24-7. He lives in Brea in California. They work out.
Starting point is 01:06:05 They play baseball. They go to the movies. He said Nash really liked the movie Hannibal. He was very much into that. He recommends it highly. He takes him out, does a bunch of shit with him. Kid from New Orleans in L.A. at this point. This has got to be mind-blowing to him.
Starting point is 01:06:18 With a famous guy. And we'll get into the whole thing, too, of how he introduced him to Tony Gwynn, Barry Bonds, Eddie Murray, all these people. Yeah, his old teammate Alvin Davis, who was a really good hitter for the Mariners in the 80s. All these things. I mean, it's crazy, basically. The whole thing is nuts. He's living a dream. He's living a dream.
Starting point is 01:06:38 They assigned him to extended spring training. They assigned Toe. And then they assigned him to the Princeton Devil Rays rays which is in west virginia where he was before it's in the rookie level appalachian league which is where you start when you've never played baseball kind of organized he actually plays again he plays next to and with uh future major leaguer johnny gomes really who johnny gomes is a good player he's been around a long time and we have some funny ass quotes from johnny gomes too about this whole thing uh he's pitching at his pitching is topping out at 95 miles an hour. He's, everyone's calling him Babe Ruth.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Really? That's what it is. They're all saying he's Babe Ruth. He throws 95, he hits a towering home run, he's Babe Ruth. Big black Babe Ruth. Yeah. So he goes to a single-A rookie ball. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:18 This is when the media, when they actually can see him, they go nuts. Right. He's the natural. They're like, this isn't a hoax. He's Roy Hobbs. That's the thing. Oh, wow. Every article, half the articles are roy hobbs and the sugar cane fields from the natural robert redford in the natural if you don't know out there they're saying just some kid that was hitting you know from a batty car from a down tree that sort of shit they're all it's all babe ruth
Starting point is 01:07:39 by roy hobbs it's fucking nuts and amazing sid, too, is what they compared him to. Yeah, of course. And I compared him to Brendan Fraser. So, you know. While he is in rookie ball, he will have a curfew. He'll have random drug tests. He'll also have tutors at home. And they said he had high aptitude scores in his thing. So he's going to acquire his GED soon, which he never does, by the way. Of course not.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Spoiler alert. Of course not. He never fucking does. He's going to acquire his GED soon, which he never does, by the way. Of course not. Spoiler alert, he never fucking does. He's going to remain on six months probation. Any violation, he's back in Sorrento. Fuck, basically, is what they're saying. Get out of here. Yeah, they're saying that's the deal. Harold Reynolds, major leaguer, says of him, quote, he's off the charts.
Starting point is 01:08:19 He's one of the best athletes I've ever been around. Yesterday, he was playing catch by catching ground balls off the wall. I went, man, you have good hands. Let me hit you some grounders. He said, cool, whatever. I hit him ground balls to third base. The guy can play third base right now. He's a natural athlete.
Starting point is 01:08:33 I'm not making this up. He's legit. My God. So that's a guy who goes on television every day and talks about baseball shit. He knows what he's talking about. Absolutely. He definitely has an educated view of this. Yes.
Starting point is 01:08:44 March 13th, 2001. Here is just an example. I'll give you one example. I gave you one about the toes, big feet. Here's an article in the Daily News in goddamn New York. Okay. This is the article. Quote, raise hope he'll toe line an unlikely prospect has bright future.
Starting point is 01:09:03 That's a lot of the shit we get. I just hung my head in sadness. That is depressing. Somebody was paid for that shit. Yeah. That's depressing. Someone makes money. It's wild.
Starting point is 01:09:13 They'll toe the line. Wow. A little more from Harold Reynolds here. He said, I probably know him as well as anybody in baseball, and he has a great personality. He's fun to be around. He just got caught up in the wrong crowd. I'm around him 24 hours a day. You're not dealing with a kid who's a gang member caught in drive-bys because of loyalty to the gang.
Starting point is 01:09:29 You're talking about Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears. It was the blonde kid who smoked. Or not blonde kid, but the kid who smoked. Kid who smoked, right. Kid who smoked and rode a dirt bike. That made him bad. Yeah, that made him a tough guy. Yeah, but he's so raw.
Starting point is 01:09:42 His talent is extremely raw. He hasn't played organized ball. Like sugar cane. Like sugar cane, baby. Like freshly chopped cane. See that New York Daily News? You could have done that one. You could have done that.
Starting point is 01:09:52 He's raw like sugar cane. So Johnny Gomes, of him, who's a Princeton teammate here. That's not Princeton like the college. That's Princeton, West Virginia. Those are way different places. Entirely different. So he says, Johnny Gomes says of Toe, quote, I mean, he was just like a newborn, like a project,
Starting point is 01:10:09 like you could just build him. He hit left-handed, right-handed, homer, homer, both sides. I mean, no one's hitting opposite field home runs at will in rookie ball. That's amazing. He's in left field just throwing the ball on a line, you know, to home plate. It was almost like, what's Toe going to do today? God, I want that. He's a physical freak, and they're just like, dude,
Starting point is 01:10:24 this guy's got all the talent in the world. Can you imagine being that guy in a big city somewhere and being that awesome? It's crazy, and having that potential future in front of you. Unfortunately, you're dumb as shit. Yeah, that's the thing. Is that a good tradeoff, though? Would you be okay with having that kind of athletic prowess as well as being dumb as shit? I don't think so. No? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:10:45 No? I don't think so. No. Although, you know what? Yes, because those motherfuckers are happy. Yeah, they are so happy. Dumb people are happy
Starting point is 01:10:52 and dumb rich people are the happiest people on the world. Oh, the happiest. Jesus Christ. But the problem is he's going to get ripped off. That's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:10:59 He's going to get ripped off. You know it's going to happen. You know that's going to happen. Well, he's got to make some money. He's got to get in first to get ripped off. Right. Let's find out what he does. What do you think here? What do you think's going to happen. Well, he's got to make some money. He's got to get in first to get ripped off. Right. Let's find out what he does.
Starting point is 01:11:06 What do you think here? What do you think is going to happen right now? So much robbery. How far is he going to go? So much robbery. Did he murder? No, how far in baseball do you think he's going to make it? Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:11:15 He's not going to get in a bat in the majors. He's not going to happen. How long do you think he'll hang around? He's going to be in the minors for quite some time. Two or three years. Okay. 2001 with Princeton. He hits.240 for quite some time, two or three years. Okay. 2001 with Princeton. He hits.240 with eight home runs, which is not bad.
Starting point is 01:11:29 This is only 47 games. So he hit eight home runs in 47 games. And.240, I mean, Christ, he's never played against anybody. He's been playing against oil refinery workers. These are like actual major league prospects. This is the first time he's actually facing a real pitch. That's what I'm saying. So this is great.
Starting point is 01:11:43 I mean,.450 slugugging, 768 OPS. Not too shabby. Hit a triple, 10 doubles. Good stuff. Not bad. I mean, that's honestly not bad. He hit a triple. Yeah, 29 ribbies. He's fast, too. He's got a lot of skills. He's just an amazing athlete. And they're looking at that going with no formal coaching. This is what
Starting point is 01:11:59 he's doing. Holy shit. Wait till we get our hands on him and mold him into a real ball yeah this is going to be wild uh baseball america named him which is like the scouting big magazine named him the number 11 prospect in the league just behind david wright wow who was a mvp of the mets and uh and johnny gomes wow who was another future major leaguer. So that's pretty goddamn impressive. That's great. That's who he's just behind. He said, Nash said of this, Femur Cock Nash said in their own words,
Starting point is 01:12:30 quote, they shouldn't have had all that about me like Babe Ruth and stuff. Mark McGuire and all that. I've got a lot of work to do. It's been really, really exciting, but I'm just here to play baseball. I don't think I'm living a fairy tale. You're wrong. You are, sir. You are living a goddamn fairy tale. Absolutely. Yeah. You're living every fucking kid in Puerto
Starting point is 01:12:48 Rico's dream right now. Yeah. Every kid in the Dominican would kill for this shit now. Every kid throwing a goddamn tomato through a hole sawed in a piece of wood. Yeah. That's what they want is your fucking dream. And you got it, man. You've got it. Now, Larry Reynolds, his agent, said, quote, the biggest adjustment for him was just being out on his own. He's basically gone from Little League to pro ball. The best thing for him to do is jump in the water and start swimming. We're here for him, but at a certain point, he needs to be treated like any other young player.
Starting point is 01:13:15 Now, Johnny Gomes, this is how you say he needs to be treated like any other young player, but this is how not like any other young player he is. Like, mentally, he's just not there. And experience-wise, Johnny Gomes says of him, quote, I remember him saying like he was hungry and like he wanted some food. And we told him to just order a pizza. And he had pretty much no idea what I meant. He answers the door and just grabs the pizza and shuts the door.
Starting point is 01:13:39 He had no idea how that process worked. He was like a caveman, a 21 year old you know on lights and tires and signs and things like that it was weird and he said weird like fucking weird like dude like eyes got big it was he ordered a pizza and didn't pay the guy he just closed it they're like no no you gotta go pay him he's like oh my bad he just ordered hey can you make a pizza arrive at my house uh now toe said about this too short for in their own words, but he said, quote, I never tried to order a pizza from the phone before. They were telling me about all that.
Starting point is 01:14:12 Like, holy shit, that happened. He never had a goddamn phone before. That's the thing. That's so awesome. Now, it's worse than that. It's not just I don't know how to order a pizza. Benny Latino said, quote, he couldn't read. He couldn't write.
Starting point is 01:14:24 He was just ready to function. He just wasn't ready to function in society. With an education and social skills of a kid of about 13 years old. They're saying he's about 13. Just dumb as shit. In a giant body. Well, he just never had an education and didn't do anything. He had nothing that required it.
Starting point is 01:14:39 Everything in his life was catered to what he was doing and the skills he had. Absolutely. He was a nice kid, though. Everybody liked him. Manager Edwin Rodriguez called Nash a model player. He said he's very polite, very well-mannered. Yeah, because he doesn't know anything that's going on.
Starting point is 01:14:56 He's everything you can ever ask for in a player. I've had a pretty honest conversation with him. I said I was going to keep an eye on him on the field and off the field, and I said he's going to have to listen to me and concentrate on baseball. Even when he's not playing, he's into the game. He's been great to work with. I couldn't ask for anything more. So they love him. Minor league hitting coordinator said, quote, he was a good kid.
Starting point is 01:15:15 He did everything we asked him to do. We never had a problem with him. Everybody likes him, right? It's good stuff. I just see him just being like, yeah, yeah, yes, I'll do that. Because he doesn't know how to do the opposite. And it's silver-haired, and it's better than the cane fields. And there are silver-haired, middle-aged men and women everywhere.
Starting point is 01:15:33 I mean, they're all over the place. In West Virginia, he has all sorts of, quote, family, basically, what they're doing. There's a photographer that took his picture for his baseball card and would take him over to her house and give him spaghetti and let him nap on the couch and shit like that, they said. Some girl who's a, they just called her, quote, a 20-something in sunglasses who drove him around in her Honda Del Sol when he wanted a ride with the music loud and his head towering above the rearview mirror, which was a convertible. He just found some girl to hang out with. Hey, your car looks nice and I can fit in it because I can fit my head in there. Yeah. That's what it is.
Starting point is 01:16:06 It's a convertible. That's all. He found a girl with a convertible. He's like, I can fit in that. I can fit in that. Yeah. Not like Harry and the Hendersons where he pokes his head through the roof. And people would like couples from around there would just take him in for meals and
Starting point is 01:16:18 say, hey, make sure to hit a home run for us tomorrow night. It's like this very small town little team and they were all rooting for him and really trying. There was a bus driver that took the players back and forth and he used to watch the games from the bleachers. He said he told Toe, son, you can't flirt with the girls when you're on my
Starting point is 01:16:33 bus because he was trying to flirt out the window with the girls. Shit like that. He's a normal guy. He had a host family, Roy and Ruby Beasley. That's where he stayed. They took him to church on Sunday. They would drive him to Walmart at two in the morning if he asked for it, just to whatever he's bored. Whatever you want. They brought him biscuits before every road trip to take with him. That's nice. Yeah, it's nice. At one point, they took him to the largest house in Princeton, West Virginia, which was a two
Starting point is 01:17:00 bedroom, one bath, 1200 square foot. No, it wasn't. They took him to a mansion. It's a huge mansion with a big sprawling yard and garden. And they pointed to it and said, look there, son, this could be yours someday. That's what they're telling him. They're like, this could be yours. But he was really homesick for his family and his home. So at the end of the season, he goes back home to Sorrento, Louisiana. And I see the way you look on your face. You're thinking bad shit's going to happen.
Starting point is 01:17:26 Roy and Ruby Beasley said about this. Ruby said, quote, we took him out to eat on a picnic, to the mall, to church. He was very quiet. Greg was a follower. He wasn't very mature. He was more like a child that depended on us. I told my husband that if he went back to Louisiana, he'd get in trouble again. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:42 So he goes back to Louisiana. This is, you know, end of 2001. This is after his first full season. Now, on January 22nd, 2002, Femur Cock is arrested. Oh, my God. And this is a bad one. Really? He's charged with statutory rape of a 15-year-old girl.
Starting point is 01:18:00 Oh, fuck. 15-year-old girl. In Louisiana. Yes. Now, this turns into statutory rape, but it doesn't start out as statutory. Really? It starts out as worse than that. First, he's charged with
Starting point is 01:18:11 aggravated rape. You don't want those words together. No. Aggravated and rape sound bad together. That's real bad. They really fucking do, man. They really do. Aggravated DUI is bad enough. Aggravated rape, way worse. Aggravated crime against nature. What? Which we'll get into because he
Starting point is 01:18:28 also there was some sodomy involved in this situation. What? Yes and also in an unrelated case that relates to this but it has nothing to do with this. You'll know what I mean in a minute. A felony theft also. These are not great charges. Aggravated rape felony theft. Bad shit.
Starting point is 01:18:44 He's taken to the parish jail and he's being held on $300,000 bond at this point. That's a lot. By the way, if you have a novelty freak show penis, you should be charged with extra if you sexually assault anybody. Sorry. Novelty freak show penis. Right? That's probably where aggravated came from. They're like, he raped you?
Starting point is 01:19:03 Oh, Jesus. With that thing? I don't know what the legal definition of that would be. It should be something, right? So if convicted of the rape charge, of the aggravated rape and all that, he faces a mandatory life prison sentence for this shit. Not great. District attorney guy we talked to before that helped him so much, Tony Falterman, said that Nash was one of three suspects in a home break-in, so much, Tony Falterman said that Nash was one of three suspects in a home break-in,
Starting point is 01:19:29 which eventually led police to arrest him in connection with the sexual assault, because we'll find out why. What ended up happening is the police responded to a complaint that someone stole a half, a jug, like one of those water, like a water cooler, a water cooler jug, half filled with coins, a pistol, a gun, a fire safe, and an alarm clock. What the fuck are you taking the alarm clock? You have a safe and a gun and a bunch of coins. You can go buy an alarm clock. What the fuck do you need an alarm clock?
Starting point is 01:19:53 Hit the Coinstar. Still, every phone had an alarm back then, too. It's 2002. So they say he did that from a home in Donaldsonville, Louisiana. And some of the stolen property was found at a house in Donaldsville, Donaldsonville, Louisiana, and some of the stolen property was found at a house in St. Amant, Louisiana, and we'll find out where that house was. They reported that they go to this house where they found the stuff, and while they're there, they talk to a 15-year-old girl who says that him and two other men brought the stolen property
Starting point is 01:20:21 to the house. Okay, these are a 19-year-old and an 18-year-old that brought the stolen property to the house. Okay. These are a 19 year old and an 18 year old that brought this, brought the stolen property there and sexually assaulted her. And we'll find out what they did. Cause it's fucking horrific. Now Falterman, the district attorney said, quote,
Starting point is 01:20:35 the local community, the political people, the mayor all wanted to give this kid an opportunity from what I know about him. He had every opportunity to have a productive life in baseball. Basically he's like, don't blame me. Everybody wanted him off. He had every chance. And I and i let him off and this is what fucking happens benny latino said that he thought he could make a difference in his life in nash's life before this he said
Starting point is 01:20:54 quote maybe i was naive but to me he's innocent until proven guilty i can't abandon him now no so i don't know if that's silver-haired middle-aged or if that's just just a friend sticking around i'm sure he looks at him like a little brother by now. Benefit of the doubt until proven guilty. Yes, that's what I mean. And now his old charges are eligible to be made active again, the ones from the year before. And Falterman said, but they really pale in comparison to the rape charges. It's true.
Starting point is 01:21:18 It's like it really doesn't even matter with the rape thing happening here. They said they thought he had been working toward his GED, he heard. They heard about Harold Reynolds. He was out there. Apparently, he was back in Louisiana to have a minor knee surgery. He had to get his knee scoped out or something. And so that's why he was back there hanging out. Falterman also said, quote, he was under very strict probation terms to which he was complying.
Starting point is 01:21:40 He did everything he was supposed to do. And then he just had to come back to Louisiana, ran around with the wrong people. We're looking at a very long prison sentence and he's facing some serious time if he's convicted. Then when he gets out, he may be able to watch baseball, but I don't think he'll be able to play. That's rough. Pretty nice. Well
Starting point is 01:21:57 spoken. I mean, apart from ran around with the wrong crowd and now he's facing... How about ran around with the wrong crowd and did some fucking horrible things? And did some bad shit. Yeah. Now, the double-race spokesman, official media spokesman, said, quote, We are not in possession of all the facts yet, and we have not spoken to Mr. Nash yet.
Starting point is 01:22:15 At this point, we will let the judicial system run its course. He's innocent until proven guilty, so we're just going to let the legal system take its course. All right. The team has no plans to post Nash's bail. We're not bailing him out. We're staying out of this one. Now, while he's in there, his father visits him in jail. And there's a scene because there's a reporter there with the father
Starting point is 01:22:33 and the father is just like blown away and he's back behind the glass. And he says, we have an in their own words that he says to his father in jail about this. He says in their own words, quote, I'm innocent. I didn't rape her. I was over at her house. And yeah, I had sex with her.
Starting point is 01:22:48 I don't know how old she was. I swear I thought she was my age. I didn't rape her. Dad, you know it. So he's like, oh, my God. He admitted to being there. He admitted to having sex with her. You just admitted to having sex with a 15-year-old girl.
Starting point is 01:23:00 Whether or not you knew how old she was. She's 15. She's 15, man. How fucking. Ask. Yeah. Hey, how old are you she's 15 how fucking ask yeah yeah hey how old are you i don't know what's your name how old are you the first two questions you ask a girl yeah if you're that age yeah hanging out but that's crazy uh the father knew you know he didn't believe the father doesn't think he did anything wrong he's like he says you know he said this my kid he
Starting point is 01:23:23 didn't swear he he you know he helps his, he looked after his little sister for years. And he said, quote, I believe you, son. I want you to come back home. Your sister and I miss you. So his father's just like, I don't know, fuck. He doesn't know what's going on here. So March 15th, 2002, Nash is indicted on three felony counts, aggravated rape and the rest. His bond at that point was raised from $300,000 to $500,000.
Starting point is 01:23:47 Because they know he's got it. Because, well, no, not even. He doesn't have it. They just don't want him out, basically. The aggravated crime against nature, it's a felony that covers a variety of sexual misconduct is the way they put it, and that's at sodomy in this case. Now, the other guy was DeLacy Bureau. He was of Prairieville.
Starting point is 01:24:04 He was indicted on the same count, same bond. Oh, my God. So they took turns. They took turns. Let's see here. Oh, Jesus. What ended up happening is she was in the bathroom and Nash knocked on the door and asked if he could have sex with her.
Starting point is 01:24:18 And she said no. And so he broke the door down and they took turns raping her while the other one held her down. Wow. That's her story. That's what she says. They said the two men were at the house. They were drinking. There was this girl and some other people there and they were all drinking.
Starting point is 01:24:36 And then this happened once they were drinking. So terrible. I don't even know what to say. That is fucking. A 15-year-old girl. That is horrific. My God. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:44 I don't even know they they found they found this house with this girl because um another person found some paperwork that with with something that they at their house they found some stuff that they took from the safe and they found some paperwork with this victim's name on it so they called police and said hey i got this person stuff and then it came back wow it's about robbery. And then they talked to this girl and she said, oh, by the way, those guys both raped me also. Nice. So, yeah. Good for her.
Starting point is 01:25:10 What a brave girl. It's true. Yeah, it's true. So they said that, you know, that's what happened. Unbelievable. Yeah. The girl told detectives that she actually saw the safe and the water jug with coins, too. So she's connecting them to that, too.
Starting point is 01:25:24 She's just killing them, this girl. She told police that this all happened after 2 a.m., too. This is like middle of the night. Now, Tony Bacala comes in. Tony Bacala said all three men were drinking with the girl and another female friends at the home. And then when the mother took off for work, she left for work. And that's when the girl went in the bathroom.
Starting point is 01:25:45 They knocked on the door and they ended up doing it. That's what Tony Bacalhau said. Just like that too, I'm sure. It sounds so much scum here with an Italian accent, doesn't it? It does, it does. He kicked the door down. To rape a 15-year-old girl with his friend. What are you doing?
Starting point is 01:26:00 What a monster. What are you doing? And you could have been in the major leagues, you piece of shit. Yep. And they said that her story is that Nash raped her first. Ugh. And then the other one. Not that it matters.
Starting point is 01:26:11 It doesn't matter, but it's still gross. April 4, 2002, he pleads, Toe pleads not guilty to the rape charge. He's still being held on $500,000 bond. His father, Tootie, says, quote, he just wants to go play baseball again. That's where he should be, not in jail. Okay. I'm sure he does. Wow.
Starting point is 01:26:29 Toe's lawyer, Arthur Lehman IV, who's a silver-haired, middle-aged white man extraordinaire with the name Arthur Lehman IV. Good Christ. The fourth? How silver can you be? And that's an ugly shit name, too, to keep naming kids that shit. Arthur? Ugh. Art?
Starting point is 01:26:46 He says, quote, he's doing fine. He's looking forward to the trial so that he can put this behind him and get back to baseball. They're still talking about baseball. These women calm the fuck down. Now, August 30th, 2002. This is interesting here. He is. They reduced the charges as part of a plea bargain. OK, the sentence is, he ends up getting 17 months for all three counts.
Starting point is 01:27:09 Wow. 17 months in jail. And then it's shortened further for credit for time served and good behavior. What? Yes. With a life without parole on the table? Well, they're not sure that this would happen is is exactly what happened, is the problem. So they're like, let's plea bargain with him. We'll get
Starting point is 01:27:28 him in here for something, because he did have sex with a 15 year old girl either way. He admits to that. So let's get him in here for something, but we'll figure it out. Robin O'Bannon, who's the DA on the case, said that the girl had run away from home twice since this incident, and each time she came home she said she got raped.
Starting point is 01:27:44 Okay. Which she might have. That got raped. Okay. She might have. That's the other thing. She might have or she might be a messed up kid who's confused and whatever. Either way he had sex with a 15 year old girl which I don't like to do. She said that each allegation was similar to the one that she made against Toe and she said the DA said we don't know if the allegations are false
Starting point is 01:28:00 but her credibility is definitely questionable. I can agree with that. That's tough. This is the problem with rape and the claims of it. It's like if you were fucking raped, claim it. I'm fine with that. But if you were not, fucking don't. No, absolutely. Because you're an asshole for doing that.
Starting point is 01:28:16 She's 15. I'm not saying this girl. Who knows? I'm not saying this particular one. Yeah, no, but in reality, yeah. Like the girl that claimed rape on that boy that was playing college football, and then he fucking, now he can't play. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:28 Because he went to prison for 10 years. The Duke lacrosse team and all that shit. And that too. It's so fucked. Unfortunately, though, on the other side of it, you get how many girls that get told to fuck themselves when they're saying that they've been raped. Because of people that have it. Right.
Starting point is 01:28:41 Yeah, that's true. So shitty. So we don't know what happened here exactly. District Attorney Tony Falterman, who seems to love this guy, gets him out of trouble all the time, said, quote, I believe there was no intent by Mr. Nash to commit a crime. She could have showed him her ID and he wouldn't have been able to calculate her age with the birth date listed. Wow. He can't fucking subtract now.
Starting point is 01:29:02 He can't subtract. I get that he can't read. He can't add to 18. He can't fucking subtract. Now he can't subtract. I get that. He can't read. He can't add to 18. He can't do it. He can't subtract fucking 2002 from, from, you know, 1987.
Starting point is 01:29:13 He can't do that. That's amazing. Okay. I'm not buying that. No. Now he's stupid. I'll give him that. But 15 is not hard to get to.
Starting point is 01:29:22 That's an easy number to count too. So after all this, he pleads guilty to sex with a minor after that and is released with time served and given a five-year probation. Now, on being released by them, Hot Rod Williams, he's pissed off now at his people, at Toe's people. Hot Rod is. Really? Hot Rod said that he tried to set Toe up with his business people before he signed with the Rays, and he said, quote, but the boy went behind my back and signed with Larry Reynolds.
Starting point is 01:29:51 He's got power of attorney over Greg's money. Where'd it go? I'm the one that bailed Greg out of jail. Larry sent a check, but it bounced. Him and Harold washed their hands of Greg. They don't even return my calls. Everyone wanted to jump on the bandwagon too fast. The book deal, the movie, and then the rape charge.
Starting point is 01:30:06 They distanced themselves from him, and I'm still here. That's my man. I love Hot Rod. Hot Rod. Fuck yes. Hot Rod's got some... He is pissed. He's also got some experience being in trouble.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Hot Rod was at the center of a giant point shaving scandal when he played in college in Tulane. Really? So much so. All this testimony and they charged nine different people with these points shaving and bribe and this big giant scandal. So much that it ruined, that it took down the basketball program. Is that right? Yeah, absolutely destroyed.
Starting point is 01:30:42 Way to go, Hot Rod. Destroyed the best. They got rid of it. They disbanded the basketball program because of this whole thing. He was found not guilty in the end, though, but there was a lot of point shaving involved. What are you going to do? But he knows like, hey, stay cool and fucking, you know,
Starting point is 01:30:56 he's not going to stick to the plan. Yeah, he knows to be accused is whatever. September 30th, 2002, the devil rays, by the way, release him. Of course. They released him. Long before that shit was.
Starting point is 01:31:08 The second the rape charges came down, he was gone. Like sodomy, buh-bye. Buh-bye. Now, September 2002, he's had all these issues. We know all these issues. He at least had sex with a 15-year-old girl, if not forcibly, all that sort of thing. So September 30th, 2002, this just happened. He just got out of jail.
Starting point is 01:31:24 Sources say the marlins have interest in nash oh my miami marlins uh yeah september uh he's released from jail and a day later they're thinking about signing him the next day uh why because my the new miami marlins vice president for player personnel is guess who dan jennings wow so he likes this fucking he really likes the kid uh he said that nash would have to undergo a physical and do all that the full workout before they would consider signing him but they're considering signing him he said quote jennings said quote the last time i saw greg he had a slight patellar tear in his knee and he was walking around on one crutch at the Devil Ray Spring Training Complex.
Starting point is 01:32:05 I'll bring it up to our people, but it's been a year, and he's just been sitting there doing nothing. His skills could have deteriorated. If we were to sign him, it would have to be an organizational decision. First and foremost, we need to determine what his skills are. How about the foremost figure out if he's going to rape anybody else? How about do that? How about ask him, are you done? Are you done banging young girls?
Starting point is 01:32:23 We're slightly concerned about his character. None of that. Not one thing. We're like, his skills on white hair. Is it silver? It's silver. Wow. So Larry Reynolds refused to comment on the Marlins' interest, but he said, quote, there's
Starting point is 01:32:35 some interest out there. We're going to let things settle down a bit. We'll kick it into gear next week. My God. Because he just got out of jail. He needs a ball player. He needs one bad. So that was September 30th.
Starting point is 01:32:45 December 17th, the Cincinnati Reds sign Toe. They sign Femur Cocknash. Wow. That's a lot of baggage to kick around, man. Way to go, Cincy. So they sign him. Minor league deal. You know, your basic minor league.
Starting point is 01:33:00 Yeah, take a flyer on a guy. So they're waiting for spring training to start so he can come back. This guy's the luckiest son of a bitch in the world. No doubt. Comes from nowhere. Not a lucky childhood. No. It's a shit childhood, but has no business.
Starting point is 01:33:13 Paid his penance so that he could do this, though. Has no business being found. Has no business ending up in the maid. Has no business doing any of this. Does all this crime. Gets kicked to the curb. This is the luckiest son of a bitch in the world. If I was him, I would do nothing at night but go home, open a box of Ritz crackers and eat it and drink milk.
Starting point is 01:33:30 I would be so paranoid to fuck this opportunity up if I was him. Wouldn't you? I'd be so scared. I would lock my doors. I don't want anybody around. The only person I'm talking to is Hot Rod, first of all. That's it. And nobody else.
Starting point is 01:33:42 No one else. I don't trust anybody else. I don't have an agent. Talk to Uncle Hot Rod he'll tell you what i what i'm doing that's it unky hot rod's gonna take care of business right now that's all i know because he's had a successful life yeah even though he was in trouble he's had his issues he's got money yeah he's got fucking construction companies and he's a he's a respected guy he's not in prison he's building baseball fields that make him no money he's doing fine that's the guy i want to talk to absolutely so late january of 2003 spring training starts and you know late late february toe gets in a bar fight in louisiana and gets arrested you dumb
Starting point is 01:34:16 motherfucker what are you doing going to bars getting in fights you stupid asshole february 14th the reds release him over the bar fight. So that fast, two fucking months it took him to blow his next opportunity. They void their contract with him. The general manager, Jim Bowden, said they voided it for legal reasons. That was it, but declined to comment any further. We know why, because he got arrested in a bar fight in Donaldsonville, Louisiana. The sheriff down there, a guy named Lieutenant Todd Weber, confirmed it. He said about Toe, quote, he is in our facility and the two charges are probation violation
Starting point is 01:34:52 and second degree battery. So that's that. Back in Donaldsonville, though, going right the fuck back home. Going back there. Don't go home. Don't go home, assholes. Stop going home. Stop it.
Starting point is 01:35:01 Stop. Stay away. Wherever you're from, go there. Run away. Unless you're going to somebody good's house. That's fine. Go visit your grandma. And then stay away from the goddamn bar.
Starting point is 01:35:09 Stay out of the goddamn bar. And stop raping people. Stop raping. Stop punching. Knock it off. Yeah, that too. The Reds said they wanted to give him a chance, but they also included, they're not dumb, they included a clause in his contract stipulating that he had to stay out of trouble with the
Starting point is 01:35:23 law. Good. Obviously. And he did. He covered their ass. Yeah. And yeah, the father confirmed that he had to stay out of trouble with the law. Good. Obviously. And he did. He covered their ass. Yeah. And, yeah, the father confirmed that he got arrested in the fight. So that's that.
Starting point is 01:35:30 Now, February of 2005, not only, by the way, did he get arrested for that, once they took him into custody, they also found him in possession of some drugs. Of course. So he's in possession of marijuana. Of course. And other drugs, too. Really? Yeah, I think he had pills on him.
Starting point is 01:35:50 Pain pills for that knee. Pain pills for that knee. Because we don't fix shit. We just treat the symptoms. That's the problem. That's it, man. So now he's got some shit. He had Valium before, back in the day when he got arrested.
Starting point is 01:36:01 So he's got drugs. He's got the fight when he got arrested. So he's got drugs. He's got the fight violating probation there. He also tested positive for drugs when they tested him because he's on probation. So now he's out of jail. They don't keep him in jail somehow. Hot Rod got him out. That's the fucking ponderous part is that these people go to jail and blow every opportunity they've got, but somehow people are giving them another chance to believe in him to keep getting them
Starting point is 01:36:25 out. They get, he gets them out. And that's what fucking breeds their, their stupid no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and their bullshit behavior because they get away with it. They can't get away with everything. There's no consequence to it.
Starting point is 01:36:39 Why would you not get away with it? You know, what's the difference here? So depressing. It's fucking depressing. So, uh, yeah. March 10th 2005 oh boy march 10th 2005 uh to Nash is arrested again on a probation violation after refusing to leave a woman's residence this uh apparently uh what is that trespassing well police chief Bill Landry said that that a woman called police complaining that he would not leave. He was over there hanging out, and she asked him to leave.
Starting point is 01:37:08 He wouldn't leave. Then when they went to investigate for the complaint, they were told there was a warrant for Nash's arrest because he failed to meet with his probation officer in the goddamn two weeks since he got out of jail. He fucked it up that much already. Unbelievable, man. He needs a two-week window, and he can blow every opportunity ever gets. Yeah, and when the police came to get him, guess what he did? He ran the fuck away.
Starting point is 01:37:31 He took off. The police spokesman here said the officers tried to arrest him. He ran. He was found later and arrested in a wooded area hiding. Now they also added resisting police. that's not a crime resisting a police officer no apparently not so he ends up getting a prison sentence this time boy and uh it's a healthy one really he ends up for this whole menagerie of shit probation this battery everything 10 years oh my god 10 years you You, sir, may fuck off.
Starting point is 01:38:05 No doubt. It's all over. That's your whole prime. 10 years. And he's only 22, but still, 10 years. That's your prime of baseball. You're done. Yeah, you're 21.
Starting point is 01:38:14 Now, Hot Rod, Hot Rod's still close to him the whole time. He says of him, quote, this kind of sums up the whole deal with him. Hot Rod said, quote, Greg's a good kid, but easily led. He has a man's body, but he's a child inside. The friends he follows let them use his car so he'll be beholden to them. One of them's in jail with him right now for shooting a kid in the back with a shotgun, killing him. I try to help the boy.
Starting point is 01:38:36 I get him out of jail, tell him he can do whatever he wants to do, but he just stopped. He lost his space, you know, gave up on life. He's like, what else do you fucking do for the kid? I try. Yeah, but. Did everything I could. He's in jail with a kid that shot somebody. he lost his space you know gave up on life he's like what else do you fucking do for the kid i try yeah but did everything i could he's in jail with a kid that shot somebody that doesn't mean he has to do that no no but he's just saying these are the people he's hanging out with so it's one of those things now so fucking depressing i mean jesus christ that kid how was that kid's fastball how was this i don't think it was very good so that's why he's got that's why he went right into
Starting point is 01:39:03 prison so i mean now this guy jesus I mean, he's he comes from nowhere. His mom left. So you feel bad for that. You know what I mean? His mom leaves him. His dad worked his ass off to make this kid get every opportunity he can get. Even his little sister's like, hey, make something for us for us so we can get out of this goddamn trailer. The devil rays took a chance on him.
Starting point is 01:39:22 Some poor 15 year old girl had to have sex with his fucking novelty penis. His freak show novelty side show penis. The devil rays, the reds. A guy got his wallet taken, beaten severely in a parking lot. I feel bad. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. But not, Jesus Christ, not.
Starting point is 01:39:41 Is there somebody named Toe Nash somewhere? But not, Jesus Christ, not nearly as bad as I feel for Gregory Nash, a director at Autodice in Swansea, UK. It's an electrical electronic manufacturing place. In the UK. Or Gregory Nash, executive vice president at Ovia Health in the greater Boston area. He's a computer software expert and experienced sales leader with over 16 years of sales management experience. He's killing it. Yes, Gregory Nash, president at Seagate Contract Management in Edmonton, Canada. It's a construction company.
Starting point is 01:40:19 Gregory Nash, vice president of general merchandise manager for the Craftsman tool brand. How about that? For Sears and Kmart in the San Francisco Bay Area. Craftsman was just bought by something else. Makes fine tools. Yeah, they do. Not bad at all. Lifetime warranty.
Starting point is 01:40:33 Yes. And Gregory Nash, owner of Orlando Pressure Washing and Orlando Roof Cleaning Splash and Dash Inc. And our Gregory would rather be him, I'm sure of it. Yes, that sounds like a very white trashy job to have there. I own a pool cleaning, roof cleaning company. I'll pressure wash your driveway. I'm going to pressure wash your whole sidewalk there. And he looked like it too in his picture.
Starting point is 01:40:56 Sorry, Gregory Nash, but you looked a little white. He had like the sunglasses on top of his head. Oh, no. Not great. Now, so he's in prison. He's doing all this shit, man. November 13th, he is released from prison after eight years. November of 2013, I should say.
Starting point is 01:41:11 He's released from prison after eight years. So he serves 80% of his sentence, which is pretty good. That's harsh. So now he's had four years out. I love my favorite thing about this whole thing is the second he's out fluff pieces of bound really he's only 32 yeah espn makes a big story about him it's it's a big seven minute segment on sports center it's an outside the lines thing with him oh my god it's a mini documentary the the cameras go with him they forget he was charged with rape at one point?
Starting point is 01:41:46 They mention it briefly, just in passing that he has all these problems. They go to his house where he lives with his dad. Yeah. Dude, this is a fucking shack. Really? It's a shack. It looks abandoned. White trash would be a shame to store their tools and broken down el camino's in there
Starting point is 01:42:05 that's how fucked up it is to store their craftsman tools i'm dead serious they'd be like i ain't put my tools in there like that's how shitty it looks they took him into his room into his room and it's this awful little dingy dingy room he's like this is where i'm staying like this is my joint now he says quote this is it this is where i'm staying at temporarily. Oh, boy. It's not temporary. No, you're there for good. It's so bad. In their own words on this whole disaster from 2014, he says, in their own, there's
Starting point is 01:42:35 tears in the middle of this, too. Really? In their own words, quote, I'm supposed to be on TV right now playing ball. You know, I just messed up. I'm talking about out there, everything out in front of me, just one wrong turn. I really think it's over with, but I mean, but if it is, you know, I just, you know, I got to move on. I still feel like I got it, though.
Starting point is 01:42:54 Oh, my God. One wrong turn? I still feel like I got it, though. Dude, you made U-turns. Yeah, it's unbelievable. You spun donuts on the 405. Like, you were not, that's not one wrong turn, bro. You fucking went off the reservation.
Starting point is 01:43:07 You fucked up. You did like a jump. Yeah. You cleared something. Wow. You took to hazard everything. And then you went the wrong way down the freeway. You're a fucking mess.
Starting point is 01:43:16 It's a mess, man. And even in this documentary, they have Benny Latino going to see him. Really? Because he hasn't seen him in years. So they send Benny Latino to his house. What's Benny say? Benny feels guilty about the whole thing. He's like, if I didn't ever pull them out of this shithole.
Starting point is 01:43:31 Well, what he says in this, you know, whatever, he could have been a better silver-haired middle-aged white man. He said, quote, maybe I could have did a little more, rode down there a little more and picked him up while he was home for those few months. You know, I second-guessed myself a thousand times. So, I mean, he actually has, like, maybe I could have helped the kid in life a little more he blames himself what are you gonna do yeah he threw he did get thrown into a shit situation so benny goes to the shack yeah and like that looks like he's like hey man how's it going it's like obviously terrible great he just got out of prison he had a promising baseball career now he looks like a place that if you lit a match within 50 feet of it it would burst into flames like a fucking sparkler.
Starting point is 01:44:07 Hilarious. Ridiculous. So sad. It's literally one of those wooden shacks with the little small horizontal boards. Really? That are like all the paint's chipped off. It's all frayed in the sunlight. And the wood's gray and cracked.
Starting point is 01:44:20 It's bleached. It's so bad. It's terrible. It looks like, oh, there's a shack in the woods that someone might have lived in 30 years ago. And they live in this fucking thing. Unbelievable, man. So he goes. They hug and all that shit.
Starting point is 01:44:33 They seem to be happy to see each other. Nash seems to like him. Femurcock seems to dig his eye. He doesn't feel bad. No, he seems to like him. He's like, thanks for giving me the opportunities that I fucked up. Yeah, they're happy to see each other. Benny actually asked Toe, man, what could I have done differently?
Starting point is 01:44:46 What could I have done to help avoid this situation? And what is in their own words here is actually pretty goddamn smart, I would say. No, he says, quote, in their own words, quote, I ain't going to lie. Or I ain't going to, you know, never, you know, put you know, he says, you know, a hundred times, you know, like what I did on anybody else. You know, it's just it was me. Just, you know, nobody. It was just me. So he just says, I just fucked up.
Starting point is 01:45:12 That's good. Not your fault. That's the smartest thing he said. Yeah. Fucked up, bro. Like I tried and I just I'm not, you know, whatever. So I appreciated that. Toe at this point is playing in the Sugarcane League again now in 2014.
Starting point is 01:45:26 He's got the Williams jersey on. He's playing on his uncle's team. He's still the best goddamn player on the team. He pops up. They show him. He's just gotten out. He hasn't been playing ball much. He hasn't done anything.
Starting point is 01:45:39 And Benny Latino goes to watch him play just like back in the day, and he's watching him. And they show his first couple swings are kind of awkward when he's being pitched to. They're just kind of like, ooh, that doesn't look great. Then another one, he crushes a home run. I mean, they show this fucking ball flying forever. That's the best statutory rapist to ever play in this league. He crushes it, and Benny turns to the camera and goes, not bad for a guy who hasn't picked up a bat in eight years.
Starting point is 01:46:01 He should be getting ready to end a career right now, not have one that never really began. That's sad. And it is sad. He's saying that as he's rounding the bases with no one watching this game and some gator cooking on a fucking oil barrel. Nobody clapping. No, no, no one's clapping. Like his
Starting point is 01:46:17 teammates are here like, yeah, all right. That's it. That's it. Way to go. There's nobody there. There's no stands, really. It's like a couple of bleachers. Yeah, I mean, they're all like standing back behind the fence like a Little League go. There's nobody there. I mean, there's no stands, really. It's like a couple of bleachers. Yeah. I mean, they're all like standing back behind the fence like a Little League game. It's fucking crazy. Johnny Gomes, as we remember from before, he says, quote, I'm sure if this story happens again in the near future, I bet the kid's going to have a handler. You know, that stop sign doesn't get put up until there's a car accident.
Starting point is 01:46:42 Toe was that car accident. That's brilliant. Toe was that car accident. Yep. brilliant. Toe was that car accident. First I didn't know where he was going, and then I'm like, oh shit, he just nailed it. Talk about fucking summing shit up. The stop sign doesn't get put up until the car accident. Yeah. So you would think that Toe's done, right?
Starting point is 01:46:58 Yeah, think about that. Every stop sign everywhere, it's there because there's blood in the intersection. So you would think, okay, Toe's learned his lesson. Everything seems fine. sign everywhere. There's a reason why it's there. It's there because there's blood in the intersection. So you would think, okay, Toe's learned his lesson. Everything seems fine. February 2nd, 2015. Toe is a wanted man. Oh, my God. The parish sheriff's office reports that Toe, that old femur cock who is a tier one sex
Starting point is 01:47:20 offender, has failed to register as a sex offender. Basically, he reported to the sex offender office division on November 4, 2014 to complete his proper registration required, which is fine. Then when detectives, they go out and actually check on these people, they went out and did a compliance check and the address he put down, which was 3250 Robinson Lane in Donaldsonville, but were advised that he no longer lived there. And he did not notify. He didn't update the registry.
Starting point is 01:47:48 You have to notify everything you do if you're a sex offender, I think. We keep tabs on you fuckers. Absolutely. Thank fuck for that. So February 22nd or February 27th, 2015, it's two weeks later. He is arrested on a Friday evening at somebody's house off Highway 937. Again, he tried to run from police, and they caught up to him. These are on suspicion of charges, including failure to register as a sex offender,
Starting point is 01:48:13 flight from an officer, drug paraphernalia, distribution or possession of a drug without prescription. So he's a prescription without prescription. Yep. So his prescription drug again. Distribution or possession with intent to distribute. Schedule one controlled substances. Simple criminal damage to property. Trespassing. Oh my God. An unauthorized use of a movable.
Starting point is 01:48:36 That's a lot. You stole someone's car too. Yeah. That's a fuck load of shit. That's not good. He didn't just forget to notify them that he moved. Right. That's a whole lot more.
Starting point is 01:48:44 That's a litany of charges. That's too much. Yeah, it's so bad. He's booked into the parish jail. They didn't set a bond right then for failing to register as a sex offender. That is a felony charge. Yeah. And the minimum sentence for a first offense is two years.
Starting point is 01:49:00 Two years. There. Maximum 10 years. So that's where he is now. So that's where he is now. Yeah. Maximum. So he's going to be years. There. Maximum 10 years. So that's where he is now. So that's where he is now. Yeah. Maximum. So he's going to be there.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Yeah. He's stuck in there. Now, if you love, love, love, love Toe Nash, you can't get enough of Toe Nash. I'm telling you guys, you can go on eBay where there's a signed, autographed, 8x10 photo of him in a Devil Rays uniform taking batting practice. Oh, boy. For only $9.99 with free shipping. That's a ripoff. That is a ripoff.
Starting point is 01:49:30 You could get his autograph for nothing. I'm sure of it. You could get it for some coins in a jug. It's no problem. You could get it for a letter to him in prison. Probably. That's it. Yeah, I'm sure he'd be happy to hear it.
Starting point is 01:49:39 He can't fucking read it, though. That's the problem. He'd have to get somebody to go, where do they want an autograph? All right. He wouldn't be able to read the fucking record. So that is toe Nash. My God, dude,
Starting point is 01:49:48 did I tell you that was like one of the wackier stories ever? Like it doesn't seem true. Not just wacky. It's fucking terrible. It's terrible. It's terrible that all of that happened and none of us know it. First of all. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:59 And second of all, that it fucking happened. It happened. That's awful. It's insanity. Now I have to thank a listener actually for that probably six months ago yeah i don't remember who but six months ago somebody sent me a message saying hey you know about this guy that's all it was yeah and i just wrote his
Starting point is 01:50:18 name down on my list and started reading about him right about like oh my uh yeah so i said this is fucking insane. This is too much. I didn't really even get the full scope of it until we actually did the whole story. And I'm researching the whole thing. I'm like, oh, my God. I thought it was just one rape charge. And not that that's just.
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Starting point is 01:51:26 it. That feels fucking incredible. But to get the actual donation and monetary gain at the same time, it's above and beyond you can't understand because the story that James has to tell you. Yes. And I'll tell you right now. I mean, picture a medieval village. Okay.
Starting point is 01:51:43 Picture a medieval village. And picture there's two guys. We'll just say they're guys because they're guys in this story. Two guys. They're making swords and horseshoes. They have a great little blacksmith shop. They're so sweaty. They're working hard.
Starting point is 01:51:54 There's fire. They're bashing the shit with a big hammer. It's so hot in there. But they're working hard and they're working through the night. Smelting. Smelting. Do you know what it smells like in there? They're working hard.
Starting point is 01:52:04 They're working through the night to make the highest, the most important thing to them is that these swords and these horseshoes are, to them, the best. Best quality that they can do. Possible. They don't want to put out one subpar horseshoe because it will kill them because it drives them nuts. So they do this. They put out all of these horseshoes, right? And then somebody comes to them and they say, I know somebody. I know a bunch of people who would love to buy your horse, your, your, your, you know,
Starting point is 01:52:31 your, your swords and your horseshoes. Right. They would love to do it. And so we're going to, I'm going to connect you with those people. And these guys are like, that's amazing. Yeah. Thank you. That we're going to make money for our swords and horseshoes because right now we're making
Starting point is 01:52:42 them, but it's like a labor of love. We're hanging them up in the shop and people are coming. And once in a while someone will buy one, but they're mainly just going, hey, nice horseshoes and then walking away. Those are great. So this is so much better. And they feel like they really feel like they have the best quality horseshoes. I mean, there's a lot of other horseshoe shops.
Starting point is 01:52:59 There's so many. Sword shops. They know it. There's 250,000 of them. No, and they respect them all too. And they think they're better than my favorite horseshoe. Right. They know it. But 250,000 of them. No. And they respect them all, too. And they think they're better than my favorite horseshoe. Right. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:53:10 And they think they're better than last horseshoe on the left. Right. They think they're better than that shop, even though that's a great shop. Right. And they love that shop. They think they're better than. The dollop of horseshoes? Have you seen that one?
Starting point is 01:53:19 Even the sword and horseshoe. That shop down at the end. And they respect all these shops. They do. They go around. They admire their work. Right. But they, they think, and they respect all these shops. They do. They go around, they admire their work, but they think they make just as good a work as this.
Starting point is 01:53:28 But these people, you know, the owners of these shops are sitting in beautiful homes and they have gold and purple robes. Stained glasses and shit. Riches.
Starting point is 01:53:37 It's amazing. Pimp cups. Right. They're wearing, it's like in Goodfellas, they're wearing it. Where's my money? And so these two humble sword and horseshoe makers, they just ask, well, we're doing well too.
Starting point is 01:53:53 Why don't – where are all these people buying our horseshoes? Like we see we're sending you the horseshoes and the swords. They go out. And they go out and people say they like them. But then we're not – we don't have anything for that. There's no money for the horseshoes. Once in a while, someone will come back and go, I really love this horseshoe. You know what?
Starting point is 01:54:09 I love this horseshoe so much. My horse is so happy with it. I'm going to throw you a couple extra shillings, you know, just because I think you deserve it because I'm so happy with this horseshoe. But the money that they should be getting, the shillings they should be getting from the people who bought the horseshoes to begin with. They're not getting that from them. The people disappear with the horseshoes.
Starting point is 01:54:27 It's true. They come back for more horseshoes and swords, and then they don't come back with the shillings for the other ones. That's the thing. It's crazy. It's just going out. Nothing's coming in. It's crazy. So the only way these two fine blacksmiths can survive, the only way they can make it,
Starting point is 01:54:41 is if people come back happy with their sword, happy with their horseshoes, and give them a few extra shillings in appreciation of their hard work and their effort. way they can make it is if people come back happy with their sword, happy with their horseshoes, and give them a few extra shillings in appreciation of their hard work and their effort. So that's what it is, basically. That's why we appreciate your Patreon and your PayPal donations so, so, so fucking much. Because you grateful people are fucking amazing. They are amazing. And Jimmy has a list of these amazing folks right now. Firstly, Linda Prast.
Starting point is 01:55:06 Yes, Linda. We love you, Linda. She heard us say that we love Dairy Queen cheeseburgers because they are superior to all cheeseburgers. They are. And Linda sent us gift cards to go get cheeseburgers. We're going to eat the shit out of some cheeseburgers, man. That's what we're going to celebrate. I love it. That was my favorite email that I got this week. That's amazing. To go get cheeseburgers. We're going to eat the shit out of some cheeseburgers, man. That's what we're going to celebrate. I love it.
Starting point is 01:55:26 That was my favorite email that I got this week. That's amazing. I got it a couple weeks ago, but I didn't see the actual gift card. I was like, is she fucking with me? And then I got an email confirming that that email went to the wrong mailbox, and so we now have our cheeseburgers. Oh, that's great. That's so awesome.
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