Crime in Sports - #71 - The Pirate Of Grift & Plunder - The Audaciousness of Miki Dora

Episode Date: June 6, 2017

This week, we ride the wave of a tale of deception, scamming, lies, and a constant need to commit crimes. He was a brash, dashing, anti-establisment type, with morals that can most favorably be described as questionable, at best. His fraudulence knew no bounds, including stealing the food right out of people's freezers. He was in 10 Hollywood movies, but ended up with Academy Award, not by winning it.... By stealing it. His influence was international, and so were his crimes, causing a worldwide, 7 year manhunt that involved both Interpol, and the FBI. Our kinda guy!!Paddle out, catch a wave, and scam every human being that you encounter with Miki "Da Cat" Dora!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsportsSupport the show by supporting our sponsors:Go to stamps.com & and click on the microphone. Enter the promo CIS for a special offer!!harrys.com/crimeinsports for a special Father's Day offer today!! Best razors. Best prices.Go to proflowers.com & enter the code CIS at checkout for $10 off your order of $29 or more!!Contact us on...twitter.com/crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsportsEmail: [e-mail]/Crimeinsports#crime #sports #murder #kill #police #prison #jail #cops #true #truecrime #trial #guncrime #shooting #gang #drugs #kill #robbery #organizedcrime #fighting #violence #drugdealing #kickboxing #armed #death #investigation #assault #cocaine #felony #federal #standoff #fugitive #fraud #creditcards #surfing #dacat #malibu #king #gidget #frankieavalon #beach #france #academyawards  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I hope you enjoyed that. Did you see his autograph on that baseball card? Yeah, I was. He spelled his name T-O-W. He just, yeah, he just. He's an idiot. He doesn't even know how to spell his own nickname. Well, he's severely illiterate. We knew that.

But he spelled it like Tow Mater, the fucking, the car, the truck, the tow truck. You should be able to spell, he never got why they were calling him that. He was just like, I don't know, man. I drag shit around. I drag this dick around. I'm telling this dick. Dragging my femur cock behind me, leaving a trail in the dirt. That's what it is.

So that tonight, though, poof, guys, wow. Do we have a story today? I can't wait. This guy, best way to describe him. This is one of my equations. I like giving math equations here. And they're my favorite ones. This is Jack Roland Murphy.

Yeah. This is Jack Roland Murphy. Yeah. Plus. Murph the Surf. Plus John Paul Sr., the race car driver who killed multiple women and ran and took off to exotic locations. He's still out there on the lam.

I believe there's still a phone number you can call if you've seen him in the Fiji Islands or anything where he might be. Okay, so it is. So it's Jack Roland Murphy plus John Paul Sr. Murph the Surf was the one that slid down the Venetian blinds into the steel stones. Yes, and then killed women and got out and was considered a good guy. So it. Murph the Surf was the one that slid down the Venetian blinds into the steel stones. Yes, and then killed women and got out and was considered a good guy.

Right. So it's Murph the Surf plus John Paul Sr. divided by Vyacheslav Dotsik. That's what we have here. Divided by psychopathy. Divided by Dotsik. That's exactly what this guy is. So there's no – what is the word I'm looking for? Psychosis, I guess?

Oh, it's plenty of, he's got it all. Let's get into this because it's a. There's no racism. That's what it is. Oh, there's plenty. That's where, that's where Dotsit comes from. Plenty of racism. Multiplied by then maybe?

Oh, you have no fucking idea, Jimmy. This is just. This, this equation board just got squared, I think. This is insanity from start to finish. Let's go. Let's get right into our guy. It is Miklos Sandor Dora Jr. Bet you never heard of him.

A junior. Big fucking shocker. You betcha. Of course he's a junior. God damn it. Bet you never heard of him. Better known as Mickey Dora. Okay.

Mickey Dora. He's a surfer. D-O-R-A? D-O-R-A, like the explorer. Like the explorer. Like the explorer. Mickey, you can see it. It's a surfer. D-O-R-A? D-O-R-A, like the Explorer. Like the Explorer. Like the Explorer. Mickey, you can see it. It's spelled alternately.

He spells it Mickey, like Mickey Mouse a lot of times. And then a lot of times when he thought he was cool, it was just M-I-K-I. That's how he'd spell Mickey. Well, like don't tell me how to spell my name. Right. He is anti-authority just to be anti-authority. You know what I mean? Like he's one of those guys where-

Just a contrarian all the time. Just always a contrarian. Hates everybody. He has many, many, many, many, many, many nicknames. Known as Da Cat is his main nickname. D-A Cat? Da Cat. Yeah.

And this is from the 60s, too. This isn't like, you know... This is the original Snoop. This isn't Da Brat. This is Da Cat from the 60s. Da Brat. The Gypsy Darling. Yeah. Mal Gypsy Darling.

Malibu Mickey. Kung Boo, which I don't know what that is. The Fiasco Kid. I like Kung Boo. That's something you call your girlfriend. Yeah, what up, Kung Boo? She's got a Kung Fu grip. Yeah, but it's BU.

And finally, The Black Knight of Surfing. And these aren't self-given nicknames at all. These are what people call him because he's a fucking maniac. Kung Boo because he's from Malibu. He's the King of Malibu. They called him forever. That's why he's Malibu Mickey. He was the King of 1950s Malibu.

We're going to get into the story because it's insane and it's a travel back in time right up to almost the current time and lots of just craziness here. Problems down the PCH. Oh, God. That's what this episode is going to be called here. Well, we'll come up with something more insulting to the actual, to the subject. You know, man, I'm going to come up with something worse than that. So he was born on the 11th of August, 1934. Oh, my God.

An older gentleman. An older gentleman in Budapest, Hungary. Oh. He was born in. Yes, moved to, he's from Budapest, my God. An older gentleman. An older gentleman in Budapest, Hungary. Oh. He was born in. Yes, moved to. He's from Budapest, this guy. But you'd never know it because he moved. Him and the Gabor's.

That's him and the Gabor's. He moved to Los Angeles with his family in 1935 when he was only six months old. Oh. So he does not remember any. It's not his choice. Any Hungary nights. Yeah. You know, none of that shit at all.

Somebody else brought him to America and gave him a better life. Absolutely. And he fucked up. Those people were Miklos Sr. and Ramona Dora. His mother, Ramona, is actually an American woman. Father Miklos is a real cultured guy. Yeah. He's very cultured.

He was in the army, and we'll get into this in a second. He was in the army in Hungary. He was like an officer, and he's very, like, cultured. He knows a lot about wine, and he knows about art. I was going to say, I'm going with wine. He knows about Hungary. He was like an officer, and he's very cultured. He knows a lot about wine. I was going to say, I'm going with wine. He knows about wine. He knows about art. He's that kind of guy.

He's kind of a highfalutin kind of fella. Ramona is also a classy. She's a classy broad, this Ramona. Classy dame. Yes. She went to Beverly Hills High, actually. So, I mean, she's a California girl. She's a California girl.

Black haired, though, not a blonde. And the father was a lieutenant in the Hungarian whatever the hell. Gotcha. So, you got that now. Whatever the hell. Whatever the hell here. The army or the, I don't know if they have a navy over there. Whatever.

A bunch of guys that sit in a hole and wait to be taken over. The first fucking, I don't think Hungary's known for their military presence, really. They aren't much of a powerhouse when it comes to military might. Not at all. So, Mickey is introduced to surfing by his father in the 1930s. His father, as soon as he got there, started surfing. Really? Yeah.

His father said he wasn't any good at it, but he thought it was fun to just dick around on the water, but the second his son got out there at four years old, he was a natural. It's so fucking scary. Immediately a natural. He said he just had balance and he was just like he was made for it. He was four.

When you start anything when you're four, you know, you're going to get into it. And they lived by the beach and they went there all the time. There's an interview with his father where someone comes in and there's photos of him. And they say they show a photo of Mickey at six years old holding a surfboard in 1940 saying this was his first day on this one beach. It's really interesting though that he was doing this in the 30s.

Surfing wasn't a thing in the 30s and 40s. People did it in Hawaii and that was pretty much it. It just wasn't a thing. There was no culture. There was no movies. There was no Beach Boys. None of that shit existed. Is he Hey Mickey, You're So Fine? Is that the guy?

No, he is not the guy that's Hey Mickey, You're So Fine. They didn't write that about him? I don't think so. It's possible. It's possible. But they would have had to put an asshole. I didn't hear any lyrics like asshole, dickhead, you stole all my shit. Why'd you do that?

Why'd you knock up my sister and then steal my wallet and leave? That would have been more of a lyrics that, lyrics that he would have been here. They were inspired. Yeah. So the father said, quote, I took Mickey to the cove for his first surf at age four. So that's four. That's wild. Four.

But it's interesting. Now, his parents divorced when he's six. And then they remarry. And then they divorce again. So this is kind of tough on Mickey, this whole back and forth and back and forth. Yeah, that's weird. Imagine that if you're a kid, your parents get divorced, which sucks, and then they get remarried, which is the ultimate dream of the divorced kid is your parents get remarried

and you're like, oh my God, everything's whole again. And they're like, no, no, no, no. We changed our minds. We quit. We quit. This isn't going to work out. No, we tried again, but it's still your fault, honey. Yes, we're very sorry.

So the mother, Ramona, she does not spend a lot of time with him. She doesn't. He's mainly raised by his grandmother. He went to military school, actually, because his father went to military school. That's the reason why his father sent him. He didn't send him as a punishment or like, you know, you're being bad. I'm going to send you to military school. You've got to follow in dad's footsteps. No, no. It wasn't even that.

His dad liked military school when he was a kid. He liked military stuff. So he's like, I think Mickey would like it too. He'd have fun in there. So they just sent him. It was wild. He had a hands-on father. His father was trying. They put him in boarding schools and military academies and all that sort of thing. His father

left the country from 48 to 53. so his father wasn't even around. But it didn't matter because Mickey was so into surfing he didn't care. He also was really into food and art and wine, and he liked to play tennis also. He was into that. But surfing was his thing. That was it. And he was a classy guy, too. He dressed real nice when all the other surfers didn't and shit like that.

He was a different guy, too. He dressed real nice when all the other surfers didn't and shit like that. Like he was a different kind of a character. His mother is said to be very doting on him and love him a lot. But she was also extremely narcissistic and very irresponsible and a heavy drinker also. So that's that's the other thing. A girlfriend of Mickey later on said, quote, Mickey felt his birth had been an accident that his beautiful, exotic, unattainable mother hadn't wanted him, and he was in deep pain about it. What? That's what she said. Oh, she said, okay.

Yeah, her next girlfriend. I was like, I hope he didn't say that. No, next girlfriend said that. Because that's weird to say about your mom. She's beautiful and unattainable. Unattainable. She said, quote, I think this was her psychological evaluation of the whole thing. She said, quote, he was deeply drawn to his mother, and he was always trying to get her to recognize and love him.

So, I mean, he was she was always kind of doing something else. Yeah. It was kind of, you know, hey, what the hell? Well, it makes sense that a guy from Hungary got that loves booze and wine and his mom loves booze, that they had a drunken fuck and that created you. That happens. Well, they were also married and divorced and married again and all that. So she, though, she's busy trying to find another husband because back then if you have a

child and you're a woman and you're divorced you better latch on to somebody quick this isn't like now where it's like hey you go out and you know you make it happen you make it happen you'll get a career going and all that this was back then you go and find a guy that beats you less and yeah or more just whatever as long as he pays the bills, I think it was back then, unfortunately, for these fucking women. Now, she ends up finding and marrying a man named Gard Chapin. Gard Chapin or Chapin, he's from Hollywood. He is the best surfer in California in the 30s and 40s.

Really? He's a top-level surfer of California. What's his name? He's the number one guy. Gard Chapin. Chapin. Chapin. His first name is Gard? Gard. G-A-R-D. Okay. California. What's his name? He's like the number one guy. Guard Chapin. Chapin. Chapin. His first name is Guard?

Guard. G-A-R-D. Okay. Guard. What a terrible name. That's an awful name, Guard Chapin. Outside of Hawaii, if you were a big surfer, if you were the best surfer in California, that meant you were the best surfer in the world outside of Hawaii.

Yeah. Because that was the only place people were even surfing. They said that Chapin would angle harder than anybody. They said that everybody thinks he probably harder than anybody. They said that he probably, everybody thinks he probably invented the cutback. Oh. Which is when they, you know, swerve back. Turn around and come back and hit the wave again. Yeah, they do that thing. They said it was probably him that

invented it. A former regular down there, surfer, said quote, he was fantastic. He'd drop his knee to the deck of his board, twist his body, then just whip the thing around. Nobody else could do it. He'd be going north, drop that leg, then he'd be going south. And you're talking about a board that's fucking enormous. Oh, enormous and heavy and everything else.

These are the big-ass long boards. It's made of wood. Yeah, until the late 60s. And God, I know way more about surfing than I ever wanted to. But until the late 60s, these were giant long boards. Ridiculous. And then they went to short boards in the 60s, late 60s. A pointed tip now that are made of fiberglass.

Back then, it was fucking wood and it was rounded. It had three or four fins on it. And you'd have to get one in Hawaii because it's the only place where they... So literally, they'd be like, a guy brought one in from Hawaii. Let's look at it. And they'd all take turns. Flew it on a bomber. That's what it was, man.

They said that Chapin was tall, handsome, funny, loud, also very anxiety-ridden, a lot of ulcers. He was an ulcer person. Yeah, he scared of sharks out there. I would have a shitload of ulcers. Well, probably because he's a massive alcoholic is the other reason why he's drinking his – just drinking away the lining of his stomach. Yeah. Super abusive. Super abusive.

Had a temper. Everybody said he'd go from zero to 60 in two seconds. Everybody said he'd go from zero to 60 in two seconds. Like he, one time, as an example of this, some neighbors on the 4th of July were celebrating what he thought was too loudly. So what he did was, you know, normally you'd go over and you'd say, you know, hey, guys, you know, hey, I'm going to keep it down a little. You may peek your head over the fence. No, he got a shotgun and fired a couple load of buckshot over their heads to scare them. Not into the air.

In their direction, over their heads, going, keep it down, assholes. And by the way, that shotgun's much louder than what they were doing. Fuck yeah. You want to hear loud assholes? Boom. Now keep it down or I'll be louder. And here's another one for good measure. And this is in the city. This isn't like in the middle of nowhere.

This is in Hollywood. Like, you can't be firing a buckshot in the middle of L.A. in a half-decent neighborhood. That's not all right. Another time, wow, he gets super drunk. Of course he does. Oh, man. Gets Mickey in the car with him, takes him downtown. He's shit-faced, gets out of the car, gets a baseball bat from the back seat,

and starts going around up and down the entire block because they just installed parking meters, bashing them all with a baseball bat from the back seat and starts going around up and down the entire block because they just installed parking meters, bashing them all with a baseball bat, taking them out, screaming, quote, communism is taking over. Communism is taking over. Dad's a fun guy. Oh, yeah.

He said to Mickey, he said, quote, Mickey, these bastards want to control everything. Now they want to make us pay money to park on the street instead of bashing them. And Mickey was like, holy shit. bastards want to control everything. Now they want to make us pay money to park on the street instead of bashing them. And Mickey was like, holy shit. Like, what is going on? Yeah, but he took this as like, he took this as an example, Mickey. He was like, okay, you get pissed off at the man.

You lash out. You scream. You yell. You bash shit with a bat. Okay, I get it. And shoot shotguns. And shoot shotguns over people's heads. Like, this is his example of a person who this is, you know. Yeah, that's how you lead your life. You're taking your cue from this guy, which get it. And shoot shotguns. And shoot shotguns over people's heads. Like this is his example of a person who this is, you know.

Yeah, that's how you lead your life. You're taking your cue from this guy, which is wild. Now, at this point, too, he's surfing and he's a teenager and he's a badass in the scene. And when people ask him his name, he uses Chapin. Really? He'll use his name. His name is Mickey Chapin is what he'll use all the time. That's the stepdad.

Well, yeah, because the stepdad is a legendary surfer in the area. So when he goes to the beach and they say, what's your name? And he's like, oh, I'm Mickey Chapin is what he'll use all the time. That's his stepdad. Well, yeah, because his stepdad is a legendary surfer in the area. So when he goes to the beach and they say, what's your name? And he's like, oh, I'm Mickey Chapin. And they're like, oh, shit. He's the first second generation surfer there. So he gets mad respect, and it's kind of one of those things. Oh, you're the kid of that guy that beats the shit out of parking meters? Yeah.

Oh, cool. Cool. Yeah, that's awesome, dude. Yeah, here you go. A bunch of quarters or nickels or whatever they used back then. How's your stomach lining? Yeah. Is he still pounding the sauce, or what's he doing?. Yeah, here you go. A bunch of quarters or nickels or whatever they used back then. Played pennies. How's your stomach lining? Yeah, is he still pounding the saucer? What's he doing?

Beat your mom lately? Yeah. Okay. But Mickey's just a great surfer, and it's just nature. Guard, Chapin, his stepdad, shaped him a board. He made him a board that would work perfect for him. Took him on weekend trips to San Onofre. San Onofre?

I don't know what that is. Never been. Also, he taught him his style of riding waves, which was aggressive and just ballsy and aggressive and attack the wave and all that kind of shit. It wasn't like, hey, just try to stay up. He said, you get in there, you make that wave your bitch. You make it like a parking meter.

The wave doesn't cooperate. You get a baseball bat, you go and you hit the wave with the baseball bat. You treat it like a loud party. You treat it like a loud party or a wife doesn't cooperate. You get a baseball bat. You go and you hit the wave with the baseball bat. You treat it like a loud party. You treat it like a loud party or a wife that's a little lippy. Either one. That's how you treat it. So he basically got both sides.

Mickey gets both sides. He gets the kind of a worldly sophistication, you know, the wine and the art. He gets that from his father, and he gets this rebellious, insane streak from his stepdad. Does he have an accent like his parents? No, he doesn't. He was six months old when he was born. So he's just got like this weird 40s, 50s California accent that's kind of strange. I know people that just grew up around people from other countries, and they talk like idiots.

No, well, his dad wasn't there. Like idiots. Like idiots. His dad wasn't there very much either. He speaks perfect English. It's mainly like, bro, dude. Oh, I'm sure. Hang ten, that shit. These are the guys that came up with all

of this surf shit. All the hacky, cliche like, hey, daddy-o and shit like that. These are the guys who made all these words up. We blame this fuck. Yeah, they invented Gidget, as a matter of fact. We'll get into that in a minute, too. The TV show? the tv show movie yeah that is that comes from these guys wow which is we'll tell you where how the origin of that dog name everybody's yeah everybody that's got a tiny dog they name it fucking gidget yeah that's really annoying i don't know why that is

either people we have an in their own words about his upbringing with the two fathers here in their own words quote my father taught me a gracious way of living while my stepfather showed me how to survive. One showed me how to atone for indiscretions and the other demonstrated how to commit them. So he's saying, like, my dad was nice to me, taught me all the good things, and this guy taught me to be an asshole.

And so I'm an asshole now. Now, he has a friend that he hangs out with, grows up with. From the late 40s. They hang out and surf and just kind of his beach bum partner named Tubesteak. Get the fuck out of his name. He nicknamed himself a slang term. And he's still alive.

What man is 70 years old, 70, 80 years old. Who goes by Tubesteak? He will only answer to Tubesteak. He will not. That's why I didn't even write down his name because I'm like, what does it matter?. Still goes by tube steak. He will only answer to tube steak. He will not. That's why I didn't even write down his name because I'm like, what does it matter? He's just tube steak. When a guy's tube steak, he's fucking tube steak, man. What do you say?

Which tube steak came from back then if you were a show off, they called you a hot dog. Right. They called him a hot dog, which slang for that was tube steak. And now is what people call your dick. So now he's dick. So tube steak said, quote, you like tube steak, And now is what people call your dick. So now he's dick. So tube steak said quote, you like tube steak, don't you?

What an idiot. The best part is we're going to be talking to tube steak like all the time. The second it turns into a slang term for your dick, you drop it forever. Forever. People still call themselves dick. That's true. Never mind tube steak. I'm dick. Okay. Great. Good for you for you so i mean if people

still call themselves dick there's really no hope for any i know any the lack of there's no hope for a stopping of penis theme nicknames it's not gonna happen sorry it's just not femur horrible though why would you people do it you go by richie that's your how bad is that richie you can even get rick out of Richard. Call yourself Rick. That's kind of cool if you're in the 80s. Who cares? It's not better than Dick.

Don't take Dick. So let's see what Tubestake had to say. That's good advice, too. Don't take Dick from anybody. If anyone offers you Dick, you say no. No. You say no and you tell an adult. And if an adult named you Richard, what about somebody?

There's somebody out there whose name is legally Dick. Like, it's not. They didn't even name her Richard. Like, let's name him Dick. Okay. And they didn't know that Richard was the name. His name is just Dick, and he can't get away with it. He's like, fuck.

That's horrible. What do you do if your name's Dick? Like you. Your name is Jimmy. You have no options. You fucking change it. That's what you do. You don't have, like, my name is James, so I can go by James, Jimmy.

You're Jimmy. That's it. You're fucked. You can't even have James. You're just Jimmy. I guess I'm being very hypocritical right now because Jimmy was a cool nickname until Snoop Dogg came around and started calling condoms Jimmy hats, which now he takes a Jimmy. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, but it's only in the context of if there's a condom on it.

That's it. Otherwise, I'd get get your Jimmy out. I've never heard that before. I'm going to suck your Jimmy. Never heard that before, ever. Thankfully. Good. No woman's ever said that.

Everybody, don't start that, please. Never. Please don't. Without further ado, let's hear what Tubestake had to say, shall we? Because we all want to hear from a grown man named Tubestake. So Tubestake said, quote, quote man guard chapin was a notorious drunk mickey seemed afraid of him one day mickey and i drove to guard's house mickey wanted money i'm sitting in the car i hear yelling screaming banging mickey comes running out of running out

and guards chasing him throwing something at him i think guards violence had a big effect on him so he kept him like kind of yeah on edge exactly that would be the he kept him kind of on edge. Exactly. That would be the best way to put it. On edge. If this guy's constantly beating you and you never know if he's going to whip a baseball bat out. Are you still hanging out with people named Tubestake? I will beat your ass.

Well, you never know when he's going to whip a baseball bat out and start beating the shit out of municipal property also, which is very fucking scary. You're like, what happened? He's breaking government shit. He clearly doesn't give a fuck about you. He's going to go attack the statue out in front of the courthouse or some other inanimate object that did nothing to him. He's going to freak. So Mickey attends Hollywood High.

Goes to Hollywood High School. He skips class. It's just a shitload to go surfing because he's like, let's get out of here and go surfing. What do you say? Sure, tube stakes up for it. What the fuck does he have to do? It's like the blonde girl in Back to Summer School. Remember that summer school yeah that she's always staring out the window it's that's what it is yeah these they're that was this man what a good movie what a good that is a good movie it's an 80s movie

it's another 80s movie you need to refer i was gonna i was trying to not say it but i'm like now that's our 80s movie we're gonna be talking about this week it's goddamn summer school what a good movie all right so the footage by the way so i started watching footage because on youtube there's a fuckload of footage of mickey dora surfing in the 50s and early 60s i mean the film 16 millimeter because there was a guy going around uh making for surf films and he made all these surf films he ended up making the endless summer which is a very famous surf film that they still release it once in a while in like IMAX and shit. It's a crazy just this.

They went around the world surfing for one summer, finding the biggest wave. God, your arm must have been so exhausted. But isn't that when they had to do that? No, no, no. I don't think they had the crank then. But it was just it was still a shitty film. But I watched so much of this shit to see him. Guys, I can't begin to tell you how much 1960 surf music i endured

holy fuck it's the same guitar riff really and then they figure out something they all sound like that that dicks dale song every song sounds exactly fucking like that everybody in that back then was named dick somehow god damn everybody tube steak this is dick this is fucking femur cut my ears were bleeding from this goddamn surf music i watched hours of this god and it's everyone and they'll start a new song and i'm like maybe this will be different i'm like fuck no if it's not big deal it's that wipeout song god damn it's not Big Dale, it's that Wipeout song. God damn it.

No, there's a shit. That's a big genre with tons of bands that all sound exactly like that. Exactly the same. So I'm watching him surf. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports for enduring that shit. You watch fucking two hours of surf music. Good goddamn luck with that shit. And those bad bikinis.

Oh, man. So he looked so casual on a surfboard. Really? He looked like there was nothing. Like if you just put a piece of cardboard down on the ground and said, stand on that. And you just looked like, sure, I'm standing on it. Now what? Like that's what he was looking like on a board while he was on top of a wave.

Wow. Just like super just like, man, this is nothing. Yeah. I guess that's what comes from when you do something from the time you're four. Yeah. You're, you know, whatever. But you're pretty good at it. Yeah, I would think so.

So he's surfing a lot. He's holding actual jobs at this point in time in his early 20s intermittently. He's a parking lot attendant. He works in a restaurant called- He's a parking lot attendant? He's a parking lot attendant. He's a valet. Oh, okay.

He's a valet at the brand new Beverly Hilton Hotel, which was brand new at this point. This was in the 50s. This was brand, brand spanking new. Also on Sunset Boulevard, an upscale restaurant called Frischetti. He worked there, and he also worked as a delivery boy for a wine distributor. So he's doing shit that you do when you're 21 or whatever. But he's doing it in the best, most fun place on Earth. And he's surfing.

The climate's beautiful. Yeah. But surfing, it takes over his life to a degree that it's not compatible with having a life where you do something besides surfing. Yeah. Because all he cares about is, well, what if there's a wave and I'm at work? Then what the fuck am I going to do? That's not going to happen.

And he's so far inland in that area, too. Yeah, he's like a comedian, this guy. He's like, well, I can't get a real job because then what if I have to go on the road? What if I get mic time? Yeah, well, then what if someone offers me to go on the road? Then what am I going to do? Because then I have to quit that job anyway. I'll just work at Circle K.

It's fine. I'll just work at 7-Eleven. I'll just drive Uber. No worries. Yeah, I'll just drive Uber. I'll just drive Lyft. I'll just fucking, you know, I'll make everybody suffer. It's fine.

I'll get through and waste all this time in my life. I have no talent. I'll never get anywhere. But still, I'm going to do this for me, you know, because I need to do it. This is my time. It makes me do it. This is my time. It makes me feel better. This is my time. It's kind of like when a woman gets her real estate license except there's no actual money in this.

It's the same type of thing. It's the same type of thing that men do when they're, for some reason, become comedians. They're so far away from the beach. Yeah. He's like, come on. Think about Hollywood. If you're somewhere else in the country or in the world, you think that the beach, the fucking beautiful pump. Yeah, it's like come on you think think about hollywood if you're somewhere else in the country or in the world you think that like the beach the fucking yeah it's nowhere near the beach

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He stops really working jobs for the most part. He starts pretty much existing on handouts from friends and also supporters, people that come to watch him surf. He's a comedian. That's what he is. No, that's what I mean. And I'm saying this. He mirrors it so much. I'm saying this now as a foreshadow for later when things are really like a comedian.

Like now it's just like, oh, he's kind of like a guy. Later on you're like, is this guy a fucking, like seriously, did he have a mic at any point? Like he would have been a comedian now. Like he would have said, fuck surfing. This is the only thing that I can be so miserable at and it'll be better. He's parking cars literally 200 feet from the fucking comedy store at this point. That's it, man. Yeah, that's true.

It's right there. It's right there. So yeah, but it's people are giving him like, you know, they hand a few bucks. They let him stay in a guest room at their house to feed him a couple meals here and there. in a guest room at their house to feed him a couple meals here and there. Also, this is the point where he begins to shoplift and just take shit. Because he doesn't have the money. Not only that, he gets off on it.

He's audacious. He likes to do things where he's like, I could get caught really easily, and it's only a pack of gum, so I'm really not getting anything out of it, but I'm doing it anyway. Even though if I got caught, it would be way worse for me than the it's only a pack of gum, so I'm really not getting anything out of it, but I'm doing it anyway. All right. Even though if I got caught, it'd be way worse for me than the benefit of getting a pack of gum. Right. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Got to do it because this is me. Yeah. Like, that's fucking ridiculous. So he does all of this. He even convinces the surfboard manufacturers to give him as many boards as they want, which he would— Just because he's who he is. Yeah. He'd be like, I'm really good, and everybody comes to watch me on the beach,

so you should give me your board. And then people would like, see, I'm using your board, which he would use like three times and then sell them to people. So smart. So he would just get them from the manufacturer, and he'd end up selling them off for more than they would have sold them for because it's his board now. Because he put his feet on it.

Yeah, so it's fucking hilarious. So this is his first kind of scam that he's running. That's a great hustle. And it's a good hustle. It's not bad. And also, too, at this point in the 50s, friends are saying that he writes up all this elaborate shit, like this investment stuff. Like, hey, let's do this investment and we'll do this and you have to put money in here and I'll put money in here. But in the end, because they have these letters now that he wrote, and in the end all of the terms were very favorable to him.

He was still scamming everybody all the time, trying to get over on anybody possible. Hilarious. Absolutely. He would do that. He'd also shake down, like, young surfers. Really? Like, young kids that looked up to him. Like, teenagers would come, and he'd be like, yeah, boy, boy, boy, give me five bucks.

You know what I mean? Really? Yeah, why don't you come? I'll tell you all about that. Give me five bucks. I need five bucks to get over here, and then I'll tell you all about it. I want to start doing that. He would just do this shit.

Yeah, he should. It's an open mic. Well, comics are like, how do you get on stage there? How do you do that? Podcast and blah, blah, blah. Just be like, come with me. You got five bucks? 50 bucks, I'll tell you all about it.

Yes, it's a little more now. It's not going to be five bucks. But he'd shake them down and they thought it was cool. You know what I mean? There's a writer-director named John Milius who he started making surf films. And he said, quote, Mickey had a tremendous influence on us as surfers. Everybody tried to surf like him and have his grace and his style and cool. He had this cool style too.

Like he rode like with his one arm kind of up in the air, like his front arm up in the air, which people didn't really do back then. That's from him. Like a rodeo cowboy? Kind of, yeah. And that's – he started doing that. And people started imitating that in the air, which people didn't really do back then. That's from him. Like a rodeo cowboy? Kind of, yeah. And he started doing that. And people started imitating that in the 60s. Everybody started doing it because it was him. And he got that from his stepfather.

That's how he rode. So he took his style from his stepfather. Then everybody tried to take it from him. And he gets super pissed off when anybody imitates his style. Just like a comedian. Put your hand down. Wait till you hear what he says. It's so he thinks he's like a comedian.

It's hilarious. He's like Michael Jordan with his tongue out. And he's hear what he says. It's so he thinks he's like a comedian. It's hilarious. He's like Michael Jordan with his tongue out and he's like pretty much Michael Jordan going to all the all the rec leagues around the country and saying put your tongue back in your mouth. Put your tongue back in your mouth. That's my thing. Exactly. So 1955 Mickey and

tube steak. Yes Mickey and tube steak. Isn't that amazing? It's never going to stop being funny to me. The rest of the sentence is even funnier because Mickey and tube steak. Isn't that amazing? It's never going to stop being funny to me. The rest of the sentence is even funnier because Mickey and tube steak, you'd figure, you know, do something stupid. Or Mickey and tube steak jerk each other off or something like that. Mickey and tube steak got clerical jobs at home insurance company in downtown L.A. You didn't expect that one, did you? What's your name, son?

I'm tube steak. Thank you for calling home insurance company. Tube steak speaking. How one, did you? What's your name, son? I'm Tube Steak. Thank you for calling Home Insurance Company. Tube Steak speaking. How can I help you? How may I direct your call? This is Tube Steak. How about the other people who are in? You were speaking to a representative yesterday.

Which one? Oh, Tube Steak. Let me find it. Tube Steak. Please come to the phone. So they get unbelievable. So they get a – I'm going to get a dog and name it Tube Steak.

You should. This is my boy, Tube Steak. So they work there, and this is the time they describe it as, too, like him and Tube Steak both describe it as this is like Jack Webb Dragnet LA. This is like 50s LA. All the men wore hats. This is like 50s LA. All the men wore hats. This is like just before that broke. All right. This is that era.

So it's kind of neat. Tubestake. Tubestake getting you, Jimmy. It's so immature and so stupid. It's fucking funny. And I fucking can't stop. It's an 80-year-old man that wants to be called Tubestake. How can you not laugh at that?

I don't understand it at all. Let it go, old man. Just call be called tube steak how can you not laugh at that i don't understand it at all let it go old man you're not just call yourself john okay so now mickey and tube steak are working at the insurance company of course they are you figure they're gonna get promotions right he's got business cards and everything tube steak's gonna be managing that floor in no time right shockingly they get fired both of them for coming in late pretty much every day. With sand in their shoes. Dripping with salt water and having sand all over them. And they would be doing their thing and literally dripping water and sand onto their work. They're standing on their desk going, what if we did this?

What if we did this? Shut up, tube steak. I think the best way to ride the board is like this. And then they stand. They're doing their fucking stuff in the office. Can you do insurance shit, please? Please? Can you sell a policy?

For fuck's sake. Why don't you fucking do some math? I don't know. There's a chart. Do something. Figure out why. You move your pencil. Make it look like you're busy.

There's no computers back there. So this point, they're like, what do we do? Well, let's just hang out in Malibu. And Malibu was not what it is now. Now Malibu is where movie stars have embedded movies, like Oscar-winning movie stars have giant $30 million homes and all that. And sections of beach that you can't enter. Yeah, this was basically a house here, a house there, and just beach and palm trees. Palm trees and beautiful shit.

You could still park on the side of the highway to go down to the beach back then. That's how other time this was. So what Tube Stake did is, and this is in Malibu, they would tase him in 12 seconds when he started doing this now. He built a shack on the sand from telephone poles and palm fronds. What? That's what he built. It's what he built for himself. So he just said, fuck it, I'm going to build myself a Gilligan's Island, second Gilligan's Island reference, a Gilligan's

Island shanty shack on this beach and just park it here and everyone went, that's cool. I was singing Tom Hanks and Castaway. They would shoot him if he tried that. The first time he picked up a palm frond and tried to lean it against a piece of a telephone pole, they would shoot buckshot over his head like the other guys. There's no telephone poles on the beach, so he had to go knock down some poles and bring it down to the beach.

Shop them up and bring them there. Insane. That's ridiculous. Mickey would be living at his grandmother's house through his early 20s, kind of up until about 1960. So he would commute from his grandmother's house down to there and hang out. Down to Tubesteak, shanty. Down to Chateau Tubesteak, where they would then surf from the beach. Tubesteak recalls.

Let's get a Tubesteak quote, shall we? I love Tubesteak's quote, man. Tubesteak said, quote, we'd burn tires on the beach for warmth and no one cared. What? We'd knock on doors and ask people to let us surf their private beaches and they'd let us. With 18 cent cheeseburgers, cheap gasoline and $3 an hour jobs at Safeway loading fruit from 4 to 7 a.m., you could be a surf bump. Wow. So you could survive.

You could work a three hour shift from 4 to 7 a.m. for three bucks an hour, and that would buy you- Everything you need. Everything you need. You got a shack on the beach. Tire fires. That's how they're staying warm. In Malibu. With a fucking tire fire.

They built a shack and burned tires in Malibu on the beach, and everyone's like, no problem. Ask Brad Pitt if that's okay now. That's cool. Yeah, no worries. Angelina Jolie will have you arrested. That sounds like a great life if you're 20 years old and you just live for the ocean. That sounds like the fucking dream, man. 18-cent cheeseburgers, James.

18 cents. And gas was cheap as shit. Get a cup of coffee for a nickel. It was a fucking great time for that shit. Jerry Queen's cheeseburgers were 18 cents. Oh, man. As long as you weren't black, it's a dream time to be. If you were black or if you had any sort of conscience about how people should be treated, not so fantastic.

But otherwise, just for this. The 30s were amazing. Decent. This is the 50s. The 50s. So one of the women that hung around there, and someone we'll talk to later, but I don't want to quite introduce her yet. She said about Mickey, this is how he would be. He said, and when we'd go to the movies together, he'd sneak in an intermission without paying.

And when we went skiing at Mount Baldy, he'd walk up the mountain rather than paying for a chairlift. So he can't do anything by the book. Even if he doesn't have to, he has to scam. Absolutely. He just has to. It's just in his fucking nature. You pay the money when you can just do it this way. It's in his nature.

It's like the guys with the John Douglas Minehunter FBI profiler guy arrested a gambler. They did a big Super Bowl gambling crackdown in the 70s. And he's sitting in the back seat with the guy. I told this story once before. And he says, you know, you're a smart guy. You can do more. Like what you tell Julia Roberts when she's a prostitute. Like, you seem like a smart girl.

They said, you're a smart guy. You could do more. Like, why are you doing this? You know, why can't we make you stop doing this and it was raining out and said the guy pointed at two drops of water on the window and he said see those two drops which one you think will get to the bottom he goes you can't stop it he goes you could take away every sporting event in the world we'll bet on that it's just we have to bet it has nothing to do with the event we'll bet on that it. Fucking raindrops. And that's what this guy is.

It has nothing to do with what he's getting. It's just built into him. He just needs the rush of that's what he does. He scams. It's just his fucking thing. Now Chapin, Guard Chapin, the stepfather, in 1957 he dies. This messes up Mickey a lot. Even though the guy beat him and everything else, he was still his father figure now. and he was the guy he was looking up to and his surf idol and all this shit

and it was a mysterious death actually um we'll get into this here chapin what they say he gets in a car accident in 1947 and his life kind of hits the shits after that he he's he's injured and he's not doing well chapin guard chap Guard shaping. After the accident, it takes him about a year of convalescence to get his shit together. Really? He was injured pretty bad. They don't have the technology they have now to fix you up after that. And those cars, too. When you get in a car accident with one of those cars, it hurts.

It hurts, yeah. There's no seatbelt. You were flying through the windshield or impaling the steering wheel. And if there was a seatbelt, you weren't wearing it because there was no law for it then. This is the 47. They didn't even think of seatbelts until the 50s. Your body absorbed all the energy because the car wasn't built to. You hit the steering wheel. That's what it was.

I remember the early 50s, they introduced steering wheels that when you push, they gave like three inches. They're like, that ought to do it. That'll do it. That'll do it. That'll save your sternum and ribcage. There you go. Problem solved.

Drive faster. Can we raise speed limits? Can we do that? Is that possible? Cars are safe now. Yeah, let's put some more horsepower in there. Also, too, those cars, they were all steel. They were meant to hit shit and bounce off and be fine.

Yeah. You didn't have to do much body work. No, you didn't. It was just like, bang it out. It's steel. It'll be all right. Yeah. But when your car doesn't take the impact, something else does, and the only thing left is you.

Right in the steering wheel. Yeah. Right through the windshield. Or a steel dash. Yeah. That was the thing. The best thing you could hope for would be to drive into the steering wheel, because otherwise you were going through the windshield and out into the street. So that's a little better.

So after this car accident, he loses his job. He was a cabinet maker and like a maker. He was like a fine – he made really well – he made surfboards. He had a craft. Yeah. He was a cabinet maker and like a maker. He was like a fine. He made really well put that he made surfboards. Yeah. He was a good craftsman. He made wood things. The marriage breaks up with with with Mickey's mom. Yeah. So what guard does drives down to La Paz Mexico at the end of 57 to go skin diving whatever that is. I don't know what skin diving is skin diving. Is that just with a suit and no apparatus. I don't know what skin diving is. Skin diving? Is that just with a suit and no apparatus? I don't know what it is.

I think that's what it is. Anyway, he gets really drunk one night, guard. Gets hammered at dinner. He goes out in a dinghy and says he's going to row out to a friend's boat was his thing, and he was going to go out there and hang out. And he was missing for five days, and then finally at the end of five days, his body was discovered floating in the bay. Wow.

So they don't know if he was just drunk and fell out of the boat or if there was foul play. It's all very mysterious. And Mickey thinks that in Mickey's mind, there's no way this guy's going to fucking drown. He doesn't care how drunk he is. This guy is like a fish basically. He's not going to drown. So Mickey is a little – he's just a little bit upset upset about it and he never quite gets quite gets over the whole thing that's what it is by the way skin diving is just what it's it you have fins and such and an app just like a a goggle

but no apparatus for breathing it's not scuba because there's no self-contained underwater breathing apparatus get it so that's what that's what it is okay well that makes sense skin diving is free diving all Alright. So, and later on in 1969, Mickey would give an interview where he talked about Chapin and what he said there is he said, quote, a unique surfing frontiersman who had a profound influence on my life.

He said also at this point he in the 60s he drops the Chapin from his name and he just goes by Mickey Dora. Really? Because he was going by Mickey Chapin Dora for a while. He was using Chapin as like a middle name and then he just dropped it all together. And he said he felt bad about that later on too, which is strange. Now a friend of his who was a Malibu surfer and kind of a friend of his named Bob Cooper

said that after Chapin's death, he, quote, never saw Mickey laugh spontaneously again, never a belly laugh, an amused laugh maybe or a constructed laugh, but never just a let it all hang out laugh. What a miserable life. So, yeah, he just basically lost all his joy at that moment in time. He's no Wissman. No, he's no Wissman. Greg Knoll, who we'll talk a lot about, Greg Knoll, who ends up making his Decat surfboard,

which becomes a legendary surfboard. That's still legendary. Okay. Uh, he's kind of a legendary guy. Uh, Greg Knoll, he said, quote, when guard died, it seemed like Mickey made a sharp left turn, which he did. Cause now he's all these little scams and shit like that and the cutesy things. But now he starts getting ballsy with things and just treats.

Wait till you get into some of this shit. It's wild. He keeps surfing, Mickey. Goes all over the world. Somehow gets money to go all over the world. People support him. People believe in him. He just basically, they go all, just they go over to find the best waves.

That's what it is. Everywhere. Everywhere. And once in a while, he'll do a competition too. And we'll find out his thoughts on competitions in a little bit. But nine bucks a day, he figured out how to do this yeah no no people are giving him money he's not he's not just robbing people he's not working you kidding me okay no you kidding me this guy's not working for shit so he goes there he goes to hawaii because they have the biggest waves in

hawaii they're known as the tallest waves there um this is the thing about him he does not hang out on the beach after surfing or unless he's surfing. He doesn't do it. The only time you'll see him either not in the water is if he's just resting up to go back out. Otherwise he's not hanging out at the beach. He might kill a little time. He'll go wander over and talk to the guys for a minute but then he'll go back by himself and he's just not really interested in the

whole social aspect of just hanging out at the beach with these people. He says when there's surf I'm totally committed. When there's none it doesn't exist. That's what he's talking about the beach. He people. He says, when there's surf, I'm totally committed. When there's none, it doesn't exist. That's what he's talking about the beach. He's like, there's no surf. The beach is bullshit, and I don't care about it. Who does that sound like, comedian-wise?

If the comedy club's not open, I'm not coming. No, no, but if you're not on, you'll still go hang out. If I'm not on, you won't catch me within 20 miles of that fucking place, and you know it because I'm not going to hang out with people. I don't give a fuck about you people. I don't care. I don't care you know it because I'm not going to hang out with people. That's every headline that there is. I don't give a fuck about you people. I don't care. I don't care about any of you. I'm going to hang out with you.

I don't want to do it. I'm there only if I have to be. And that's what he does too. And if he's there, it's great and he's into it. But if not, mind me, I was kindred spirit with this guy when it comes to that. I was like, that sounds like me with comedy. I might go over and talk to people for a while, but then I'm going to go out by myself, and you can find me if you want to hang out with me. Let me know when

I'm almost on. Yeah, that's fine. That's perfect. Let me know when I'm next. Exactly. Now, he goes to the North Shore, like I said, for these waves in Hawaii. That was the thing. I was thinking, what's the beach there? It's North Shore. Yeah, North Shore, and this was when it was first. I mean, there wasn't, this wasn't, it was the boot town of it. There was nobody there.

It was just the locals, and then he would come in. So nobody even knew? Well, I mean, no, surfing wasn't, it was, there was nobody there. This is the boomtown of it. There was nobody there. It was just the locals. Oh. And then he would come in and- So nobody even knew? Well, I mean, no, surfing wasn't a big thing. Yeah. Unless you were really into surfing, you know, you didn't surf. There was no casual surfers. It was like either you had that lifestyle or you didn't. Yeah.

That was it. It was one of those things. Is this where Pipeline is at? Guys would come in, I'm not sure. Okay. We have an in their own words on the North Shore deal. In their own words, quote, I was one of the first 20 or 15 that rode the North Shore. I don't know.

It doesn't make any difference to me. Who's the best in the world? Who's the worst in the world? I don't give a fuck. I don't give a damn. If people think I'm any good, fine. If they don't think I'm any good, I don't give a shit. I'm there to ride waves and enjoy myself.

That's all emotion and release, and it's all I have. Wow. So, doesn't give a fuck. Go fuck yourself. He doesn't care. He really doesn't care. Yeah, it's so funny. There's an interview with him from a competition at North Shore, and the guy's like, you're

used to kind of riding smaller waves. These are big high waves. And he's like, but I've been watching you out here all week practicing. You're looking pretty good. And he goes, pretty good? I better be better than pretty good. These guys are impossible. The waves are huge.

I don't know what you're talking about. Like, he was just, this poor guy was like, okay. He's like, I don't know what you're saying, but I better be better than good, because this shit, this is crazy. And these guys are good, and I don't know what you're talking about. Like he was just, this poor guy was like, okay. He's like, I don't know what you're saying, but I better be better than good because this shit, this is crazy. And these guys are good. And I don't know. I'm not, he's like, I'm not a local. This isn't my thing. And these guys know what they're doing.

It's so funny just watching this poor guy like, oh, okay. He expected him to just say like, yeah, thanks. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks. I'll try my best. Yeah. It's pretty funny.

Now, an author of a book, Renson, who wrote a book of his that came out later and kind of grew up. He moved to California in 64 and kind of watched Mickey on the beach and kind of was idolized Mickey kind of a thing. He said of his surfing style, quote, the way he stood on his board, it looked like he was waiting for the bus. Like I said earlier, like if you just showed a picture of him like knees up, you wouldn't think he was on a surfboard at all. You just think like he's just hanging out. Pretend you show there's a wave there. He's just like a picture of him knees up, you wouldn't think he was on a surfboard at all. You'd just think he's just hanging out. Pretend you show there's a wave there underneath him. He's just like... He's just a real natural.

He's a real natural, known as the King of Malibu. And at this point, too, late 50s, it's still empty Malibu. This is still the locals and the people from around there. There's a dozen people that go surf, and that's it, if they have it to themselves. Some of the best waves, it's all to them. He's working every scam possible uh every possible scam one of the young surfers that hang that uh hung out there said he's talking about he said quote mike duane and i competed with each other to be ripped off by mickey we'd be like mickey stole my wax yeah well mickey stole my money it was a badge of honor this guy says like what so

the kids were like isn't that cool the cool guy stole my shit isn't that awesome guy totally fingered me what's what are you talking about molested the fuck out of me dude you fucked me in the ass i am gonna be messed up for a long time like years of therapy i'm never gonna be able to love my wife the right way but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. This is terrible. And they're encouraging his fuckery by bragging about getting fucked over by him. Yeah. And there's a Dwayne King, who's the Dwayne they're talking about, by the way, who turned out to be like a high-level banker in Santa Monica, one of these surf bums. He said, quote, Mickey had the freedom we wanted.

No school, no job, no relationships, just surf. And all of our shit. And all of our shit. Well, he says, we paid for his food and gas because we wanted him to keep going. If he could beat the system that was, quote, honest work, then maybe we could beat that one day. We could beat the one that was our families. So they're like, if he can do it, they're living vicariously through him. Maybe I can do it.

Maybe it's possible. They have to show that it's possible. It's like a pyramid scheme of fucking people over, though. It's a pyramid scheme of enjoyment, which is an odd product. But it's a pyramid scheme of like, if we have eight people. It's Joel Osteen. You'll give me money, then you'll feel better, and good things will happen to you. That's what it is.

He's surfing Osteen. Surf Osteen. I love it. That's awesome. He would also teach these kids how to scam, which is the other thing. He'd teach them how to search the crevices in the canyon for where surfers hid their wallets. Really?

When they went out in the water and shit like that. That's hilarious. They'd be like, they hide it here and here. You go in there. I'll go out there. He'd teach them the scams there. How stupid of somebody to put the... Why would you take your wallet into the beach if you're going to go surfing?

Yeah. You got shit in your car, you idiot. I guess, yeah. I don't know how good the locks were. But then they were just like, no one will steal this because it's only a few of us here. Like, we're all in this together. No, he's scamming you, motherfucker. Mickey's in it for him.

Mickey's in this shit for Mickey. And all of your shit is Mickey's shit. Mickey's about Mickey. I'll tell you that right now. One time he showed up at this one guy, Larry, who's one of these like little apprentices, as they call that one of these little shit bags that looks up to him, showed up at this guy's Palm Springs house just in time to borrow keys, borrow the hotel keys. He insisted finger quote. Yeah, he borrowed the keys because that's what they say. For they were they were getting there was teenagers there for spring break. So he borrows the keys that they had to stay in the room and charge expensive meals to themselves,

to these people's parents. Yeah, that's what he's doing. He's getting room service on them. Yeah, he'd said, they say sometimes he'd go to kids' houses, he'd unload all the food from the freezer. Nice, that's smart. He'd just take it all. He'd just put it all in the garbage bag and leave when he'd go hang out at people's houses.

I'll just take all your food now. It's the Grinch that stole Christmas. Not what's cooked. Right. Not like a coffee cake on the counter. He's like, what do you got in there? A ham? I'm going to grab that.

That's cool. I'll have the frost in three days. Don't worry about it. I'll take that on with me. No worries. He's walking down the street carrying turkeys. Yeah. about. I'll take that on with me. No worries.

He's walking down the street carrying turkeys. One of his apprentices said he did it for, quote, he did it all for a simple reason. Freedom. Every guy on that beach wanted to do nothing but surf all day, but only Mickey had found a way to do it. Yeah, by stealing from all of you. Maybe you didn't give him shit. Maybe you could do it. Where's your freezer out there? You're going to put all this shit, Mickey. Oh, yeah. He's probably just going to take it to the beach and cook it on an open tire fire, for Christ's sake. Never mind a shopping cart jerk chicken. We have tire fire ham that we're going to make later.

Tire fire freezer ham. It says, like, Goodyear in the side of the ham. Yeah, he doesn't care. He's like, this is good. Delicious. Unbelievable. It's still got the steel belts in it. At least pull the steel belts out of

the ham mickey oh shit come on well he uses them to tie it up like the little strings well eventually when the tire gets all burned all that's left is the steel so that's just that's the serrated marks on the hand that way you can have lines yeah that's nice like a proper grill marks like a proper grillsman steel You got grill marks. Like a proper grillsman. Steel belt line. Steel belt. Those are nice steel belt line marks you got there. Those are pretty sweet.

Those are crisp. There's a woman named Marsha McMartin that tells us about this and also a guy named Mike Doyle that has these two quotes and he's obsessed with gold. Really? He's one of these guys that's like conspiracy theory guy too. Like he says later on, he's like, I think I'm- Money and gold. He's got a quote later on where he says I think I'm pretty smart. I was the first one to

figure out the JFK assassination and how that happened. He's just crazy. Nobody's figured it out yet, sir. If there's a conspiracy, I mean. Yeah, this Martian McMartin says, quote, I have a photo of him holding up a gold bar and he always traveled with gold coins because he said he needed

something negotiable if he got in a jam. Paper money was no good. What kind of a jam are you in where you need fucking gold coins are the only thing you can get out of it? Bars. He's got bars. Are you like being captured by a wizard? Right.

Or like some sort of medieval witch that's going to put a spell on you if you don't give them gold bars or coins? Is he one of those barbers now that just has the sign haircuts and we buy gold have you seen those barbershops every barbershop barbershop and we buy gold my grandfather owned a barbershop for 40 years i don't think he ever bought anybody's fucking communion pendant ever not once not once don't think it ever happened don't think it ever happened right now it's hilarious. Mike Doyle is another one of these surfer guys. He said, quote, Mickey was always generous with financial advice. One day when we were younger and I was collecting Coke bottles on the beach to turn in for money,

Dora said, quote, buy gold, Doyle. The entire world economy is going to collapse. Buy gold. This was in the 50s. We were far away from collapse. We're in 2017. It still hasn't happened, Mickey. Maybe now buy gold, but not then.

He still lived. This is about the time, 1960, when he stops living with his grandmother, starts trying to move out and scam other people. Now, this is where Gidget comes in. A surfer in about 1958, a surfer, one of the surfers that he hangs out with, not Tube Steak, but another one that's in his little group. All right. There's a girl down there, a woman. No, she's a girl. She's 15 at the time, named Kathy Coner Zuckerman.

And she's a 15-year-old girl. She's a little chick, and she wants to surf. And they're like, get the fuck out of here. And she's like, no, I want to surf. I want to surf. I want to surf. So she keeps hanging around, keeps hanging around. Don't choose to surf, Zuckerman.

Get out of here. Get out of here. So they end up, she hangs out and hangs out. So they end up, she's out and hangs out, so she's part of the crew by whatever. And so they call her a nickname. It's a midget of girl. It's a combination of girl and midget. Get out of here.

That's where it came from? The name Gidget comes from some jerk-off surfer combining girl and midget and going, hey, Gidget, and making fun of her. That's all it was. It was a ball-breaking thing. That's hilarious. Hey, girl midget, get over here. And it That's all it was. It was a ball-breaking thing. That's hilarious. Hey, girl, midget, get over here. And it wasn't tube steak that did it?

And it wasn't tube steak. No. And also, you might want to know, Kathy Coner Zuckerman's father was a screenwriter. Ah. And she came home. Her name is Gidget. What are you doing down at the beach? Your friends.

Hmm, this is an interesting world that I never thought of. Maybe I'll write a screenplay. Fascinating. Maybe I'll write a book, I think, and it turned into a screenplay, which was Gidget in 1959. Interesting. The movie Gidget, which is a huge surf movie about a girl who starts surfing. A girl midget. A girl midget who begins to surf, named Gidget. That is so insulting. Kathy Coner, Zuckerman Bitches, she says, I was a lot tougher than the girl in that movie. They made her out to be weak, and that's bullshit, and I was tougher than that.

But back then, they weren't going to show some chick pulling switchblades out. Do they say that in the movie, Girl Midget? No. No, no. It's hilarious. This is the first time I've ever heard where that word came from. Yeah, I've never heard that either. That's the origin of it.

I feel like I've seen the movie. I don't know. Well, there was multiple movies, and then Sally Field was in the goddamn TV show for years in the late 60s. That was Sally Field's first thing. They never said Girl Midget. Never once. I don't even know if thing. They never said girl midget. Never once. I don't even know if they knew that's where it came from. I don't know if any, beyond the father writing the screenplay, I don't know if anybody else

even knew where it came from. They're like, oh, Gidget's a character. It's just her name. It sounds beachy, I guess, whatever. So that's what they did. So they make a movie, 1959. They make Gidget, which was a monster hit. They should have made a movie about a black surfer named Blidget.

Blidget. That would have been perfect. A black midget surfer. Yes. That would black surfer named Blidget. Blidget. That would have been perfect. A black midget surfer. Yes. That would have been great. Blidget. Coming this summer. Blidget.

I made it a drama. And they don't tell why. No, never. It's like, hey, Blidget. That's terrible. You mean Bridget? Do you have a speech impediment? They never mention it ever.

In the movie, Mickey appears in the film doing stunts. Really? Mickey appears in Gidget doing stunts. Now, after Gidget. Does he have an IMDb? Oh, he has an IMDb. That's awesome. We're going to get into his IMDb.

It's deep, too. Really? He's in 10 movies. What? Yeah, this guy lived quite a life, man. We're going to get into this in a minute. The most popular surf movie ever, maybe. Yeah, he was in every popular surf movie. They'll talk about all the Frankie and Annette movies.

Yeah, I was just going to add to that. Frankie and Annette Funicello, he's in all of them. Wow. So after this movie comes out, this introduces surfing to the popular culture. Yeah. This blows surfing up. Way to go, girls. The day after this movie comes out, there's a million kids at the beach with surfboards.

Girl power. Bumping into each other and fucking everything up. And now he's pissed. He is livid. Fuck yeah, he is. He's like, I can't even get on the fucking water now. All these kids, and they're all like rich kids and kids from the suburbs and like biker fucking guys start hanging out at the beach.

That's what a ho dad is, by the way. It's a valley biker. Really? That hangs out at the beach and causes trouble. Ho dad. That's what a ho dad is. I don't know. That's what they call it.

I've heard the term ho dad before. I've never heard it. That's what a ho-dad is. I don't know. That's what they call it. I've heard the term ho-dad before. I've never heard of it. That's what it is. Okay. So does he blame his buddy that nicknamed her Gidget? No, he's just pissed. And we have an in their own words on this, the whole, the scene being taken over. Yeah.

He says in their own words, quote, individuals are getting pushed out and the clones are taking over. Masses and armies of them pushing, pushing. So where's the individual lie anymore? He's finished. It's always somebody else. It's not even them. They're copying somebody else, so they're not them.

They're that guy in a film or a motion picture or some magazine they're pretending to be. He's fucking pissed. He hates... He's turned into the guy that's like, he's fucking tacky as shit. That's the internet meme. He's turned into that guy.

Yeah. Did he just dance? Did he just act out a dick joke? I swear to guy. Did he just dance with a fucking hat? Did he just act out a dick joke? Did he just use the mic as a dick? I swear to God. Yeah, that's what he is. He is now. He would be furious about gentrification in New York. He would be furious. Oh, he'd be like, what? This neighborhood

was great. You ruined it. Greenwich Village would blow his head up right now if he saw it. And he would hate hipsters so much. You're not being unique. You're being the same as everybody else. Nice mustache. I like your Volvo, you dick. This pissed him off that he was a stunt double for a teen idol.

It pissed him off. Of course. His ego was. I'm not pop culture. I'm myself. Don't fucking bubblegum pop me. Yeah. An ex-girlfriend of him said, quote, Mickey was as good looking as any actor, but he didn't have the personality and was incapable of diplomacy.

So he's not going to go in and audition for someone. He'd be like, hey, fuck you. I'll do it if I want. It's one of those. So this just, it made him so mad, this whole thing here. It made him so mad at people, he started lashing out at people. One time he used the fin of his board like a knife to chop a swath out of the back of somebody who was in his way. Oh, my God.

Sent him screaming to the hospital, his back cut open, big, huge bleeding out all over the place. Oh, absolutely. With a weapon. That's what it is. He was pissed off and didn't give a shit. And I've seen him on film do, try to kill a guy on film. I saw it while he was surfing. I'll talk about it in a second here.

But people, his surfing is getting better and better and better. Greg Knoll, who's, like I said, legendary board maker and surfer, he says Mickey Dora was probably the purest surfer who ever waxed a board. He had a style that was completely his own. He was remarkable. And that's pretty much everybody. This other guy said, Mickey Dora

personified the rebel surfer, inspiring a generation to defy convention and take off on that wave. He's like Hunter S. rebel surfer, inspiring a generation to defy convention and take off on that wave. He's like Hunter S. Thompson surfer style, except he's a douchebag. Hunter Thompson was pretty funny. So 1961, he does more stunts for Gidget Goes Hawaiian. So he's in that movie, too. It's a paycheck.

And this time, too, he would do contests sometimes. And everybody said there was a big event where he won first place in a big contest and they gave it to him in front of everybody and took it and just threw it in the sand and walked away. What was the just like a trophy? It was a big trophy. Number first place trophy and just chucked it in the sand and walked away and went and surfed more.

I don't care about this shit. He said I don't care about this. It's like you know he voiced his contempt for if a magazine would interview him he would he would talk a bunch of shit yeah but he would always do the interview to talk the shit so it's one of those we're like i don't want to be come here and interview me so i can tell you how i don't want to be interviewed it's one of those things where you're like he's no tony hawk no he knows what he's doing a little bit he's kind of smart with that he'd call people quote

animals terrible people dolts and stupid kids was what He'd call people, quote, animals, terrible people, dolts, and stupid kids was what he'd call all these people. And that's not the worst thing he'd say because he is super racist. And we'll get into that too. Oh, boy. That's where the dots that comes in. We have an in their own words here about the whole surfing and the whole scene when it comes into this and gets to

be mainstream in their own words. Quote, I drop in, set the thing up and behind me, and all this stuff goes over my back the screaming parents teachers police priests politicians they're all going over the falls of my head they're all going over the falls headfirst into the next reef and when it starts to close out i pull the block pick up another wave and do the same goddamn thing wow i don't know what any of that shit means but it seems like he seems vicious that's his that's his release all that shit is gone.

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It falls into the reef. Jesus. Everything's like that. Everything is ultra aggressive, ultra angry, ultra just pushing, pushing, pushing. Just aggro everywhere he can. Alright. Everything. So Annette and fucking Funicello. Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon, 1963. Beach Party, which is their first movie, their first beach movie.

This is when all that started. He plays a character called Beach Boy. It's the first of the series in this one. So we have an assistant professor of history here at USC that taught. He wrote a book about it. It's called The World in the Curl, An Unconventional History of Surfing. And he writes about Dora because a lot of people just for all the bad shit dora does and he does more bad shit yeah all this shit that he does people just

whitewash it and they're just like he's a great surfer and you know whatever like they just don't even like if you read an article of his life they don't even mention any of the bad shit really it's all just like a great surfer everybody respected him crazy guy second generation blah blah blah but this guy has the real thing. He says, quote, existing surf books have presented the heroic side. Dora, dubbed the King of Malibu, was infamous for painting a swastika on his surfboard. This guy was a fantastic surfer, but he was a bigot. He was charismatic, and a lot of people loved him.

But you have to call him out when he's just spouting racist garbage. He's in a movie, though, written by a Jew, and he's got a schwozing on his board. How can he do that? He spray paints it on the board to piss people off. Wow. Because he likes it. A friend of his named Nat Young said, quote, Dora's take has pushed the black man under. He's a supreme racist, always has been.

When I was younger, I believed it was all mirth and that he was just driving. But no, he believes absolutely in white supremacy. Wow. He would not be called Blidget. No, no, no, no. That show would be entirely different, way more. He'd be called Nidget. Yeah, way more offensive name.

I guarantee you he called somebody that before. Oh, probably, yeah. With his friends. In 1963, the Surf Guide guide which was one of the magazine things called him quote the angry young man of surfing number one he was almost 30 at this point which by the way young man very sensitive about his age really these days because back then this was like you had to be young young young yeah so if you were 30 nobody trusted you right i thought you were a cop or something especially as the 60s progressed it was like don't trust anybody over 30

all that kind of shit. He had to be like, when people asked him how old he was, he would have like a two paragraph answer. Like, let me ask you, what does age matter when it comes to this? And you'd have like a philosophical answer and they'd never answer. That's a ridiculous thing to do. Yeah.

He was crazy. Like, yeah, he was like an actress who was an aging actress who doesn't want her IMDb age on there. Something that's just going with the experience as the benefit versus like, listen, I've lived enough to have done all of this, but I still have the idea and mentality of somebody that's 22. Totally. Now, that's the thing.

1963, he does stunts for Gidget Goes to Rome. He's still right there. So he's just on that Gidget franchise. 1964, he appears in the surf film The Endless Summer. This is where a lot of people know him from. This is what we talked about. This is a beautiful film about surfing. The visuals are amazing.

I've seen it because they still play it on movie channels. I don't know anything about surfing and I don't care, but the visuals are breathtaking. Seeing the mid-60s and these guys doing this and the colors are bright and the waves are huge and you're seeing locales all over the world that you'll never see crazy waves off south africa and new zealand it's it's so cool to watch it really is uh but yeah they went around and and did all this type of shit all over they went to new zealand australia tahiti hawaii senegal ghana nigeria and south africa that's for this. Just it was a whole summer where they went. That would be so much fun.

It would be amazing. It was a group of surfers going around just surfing, and this guy's filming it. And that was just their only goal was to go find the best waves. That's cool. So if you're into surfing, yeah, that's the one there. 1964, he's in a film starring Bobby Vinton. So he's getting all the crooners of the 60s here called Surf Party, obviously. I love the description here.

A young girl travels to California with a couple of friends in order to visit her brother, whom she hasn't seen for some time. After they arrive, it doesn't take long for them to get into the swing of things and also attract the attention of the local police sergeant, who is strictly anti-surfing. It's like Footloose, but with surfing. Pretty soon there's a falling out between the local surfers. Footloose, but with surfing pretty soon there's a falling out between the local surfers it's fucking amazing man 1964 he's in muscle beach party yeah which is frankie avalon and annette uh he plays surfer boy and this is local beachgoers find out that their beach has been taken over by a businessman training a stable of bodybuilders those bastards this. This is like breaking two electric boogaloo. It's a businessman who's going to take over the community center,

and we've got no place to break down. We've got to surf. Oh, man. So also, too, we have some quotes about his – we have a little bit about his sexuality and his weirdness a little bit here. He's not gay, but it's kind of weird. He's kind of got some latency to him yeah he they can't everybody called it an unplaceable sexuality okay and it was very

homophobic back then yeah but and he was very very macho but they all said at the same time he was also undeniably effeminate they said uh many surfers thought he was not interested in women because he was only focused on the waves. Some of them thought maybe it was trying to suppress gayness. Maybe he's angry because he's gay? That's possible. Yeah, he might be like Mac from Always Sunny in Philadelphia, which watch Always Sunny in Philly. You son of a bitch.

I will one day. We have a quote here. This is a woman he had a two-year relationship with. She said, quote, his body language was feminine. His wrist action, his long fingers, the way he put his hands on his hips, it was a little bit fey. And so she said – The way he put his – how does a gay man put his hand on his hips? Like that.

Upside down. Damn right. A little upside down. Like Forrest Gump. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So she also said that she described him as being very sexually ineffectual and disinterested. Yeah, except for blowjobs. He loved blowjobs.

As much as to be a eunuch, she called it. What is that? No dick. She basically said he had no sexuality, just didn't care about it whatsoever. No dick? That's what a eunuch is? I just learned something. A dick removed.

A dickless person who once had a dick. He's dickless. Now he's dickless. She called him dickless. She said he just doesn't have a dick and he doesn't care. He's happy to not have a dick. That is awesome. So 1964, he's in another movie playing a college boy. Now he's 30 years old. For those who think young,

that one's called. 1964 again, he's in Bikini Beach with Frankie and Annette. He plays a surfer. Here we go. Here's another one. This is a great description. Some of these movies, man. A millionaire sets out to prove his theory that his pet chimpanzee is as intelligent as the teenagers who hang out on the local beach

where he is intending to build a retirement home. Of course, he's going to take the beach away from them and put a retirement home on. And it's got a chimpanzee in it. And they throw a chimpanzee in it. It's every which way but loose for surfing. That's it. That's exactly what it is. And it's the same movie he was in last time, except they were like, put a chimpanzee in it.

Yeah, they're going to lose their beach, but let's get a chimp. This one's trained pretty good. Who does that? They are so out of ideas. Fuckin' Hollywood. Mickey would continue his scams. He got certified as blind. He literally

got medically certified as blind so he could get free upgrades on flights and take his dog, Scooter Boy, to Baritz in France, south of France there, and to other places. He is ballin'. He would never sign anything. Really? Anything except his golf card.

And he would just generally scam people. He would do like a beer a whole golf bets and then not pay up and shit like that. He will fuck anybody over in any way he can. He's like petty Carl Panzram is what he is. Like he's not going to sodomize you and kill you and leave you in a train car, but he'll steal some shit from you and empty your freezer out. I bet he will do. This is amazing. Yeah. He's 1964.

He's in Burke's Law, which is a TV series. He plays a surfer. This TV series ran from 1963 to 1966. Now, one of the surfers on Mickey said, quote, he basically represented the anti-establishment, kind of represented the voice outside of professional surfing. Mickey represented the lifestyle, and he went on Kind of represented the voice outside of professional surfing. Mickey represented the lifestyle. And he went on to talk about this guy and how Mickey would do anything to keep that lifestyle, whether it's scamming, crime, whatever the fuck it takes. He's going to keep doing that.

He is like Surf Hunter Thompson. I like him. It's the best way to do it. I like him besides the Nazi shit. That part sucks. The racism is garbage. But the fact that he just doesn't care about anybody. It's amazing, right?

And the contempt that he holds for the money that he made in it. Totally. Because it promoted his lifestyle and now everybody wants his lifestyle. He did all these surf movies even though he said constantly that he hated them. But he'd do them for money and he would tell people that he was mocking them by dancing weird in them. He's like, I'll be that scene. I'll just dance funny and I'm mocking the whole thing. It's like he needed the money. 65, he's in Beach by dancing weird in them. He's like, I'll be that scene. I'll just dance funny, and I'm mocking the whole thing. It's like he needed the money.

65, he's in Beach Blanket Bingo. He was in that? He's in that. He played Beach Boy with Frankie and Annette. He's getting that Beach Boy gig down. He actually plays a character with a name, and he plays a character called Mickey in 1965's Ski Party with Frankie.

This one has Frankie, but no Annette. Oh. Yeah, he goes on a college ski weekend. James Brown is in it. What? He plays James Brown and the famous flames appear in the lodge and sing I Feel Good. Oh. So there's a live James Brown I Feel Good in this movie.

He met James Brown. He met James Brown. Probably stole something from him. Probably. I'm sure. 1965, how to stuff a wild bikini that stars annette but no frankie that sounds like a porno yeah it does it does that stars annette but no frankie of course it does he plays beach boy and the plot of this one frankie is on naval reserve duty in tahiti which

sounds so old yeah it's not even funny and doesn't trust annette to stay faithful so he hires a witch doctor to help a witch doctor This is definitely a porno. Yeah, the witch doctor conjures up a floating bikini and stuffs it with Annette, or stuffs it with somebody else and sends her to distract an advertising executive from trying to bang Annette Funicello. Yeah. What a fucking plot. And then it doesn't work, and then he bangs the stuffed bikini and Annette.

That's the porno. Yeah, totally. work and then he bangs the stuffed bikini and that's the porno yeah totally now he's getting like uh he's getting famous in terms of these surf films that he's in these little ones and endless summer and all this like people are noticing him he's standing out from the crowd in these movies we have a quote from a review of one of these movies this is insane man this is the quote quote if you took james dean's cool muhammad Ali's poetics, Harry Houdini's slipperiness, James Bond's jet setting, George Carlin's irony, and Kwai Chang Kane's zen and rolled them into one man with a longboard under his arm, you'd come up with something like

Mickey Dora, surfing's mythical anti-hero, otherwise known as the Black Knight of Malibu. Holy shit. Talk about dropping down and just fucking sucking a cock and juggling the balls and really working it hard. Working it. And Mickey charged him to write that. Absolutely. Oh, my God.

Heard you wrote my name. That's five bucks. That's five bucks. Sorry. Hand it over. That's incredible. Let me open that freezer. Let me see what you got.

In 1965- He charged Muhammad Ali for him to be compared to him. I guarantee it. Oh, shit. over that's incredible open that freezer let me see what you got in 1965 he charged muhammad ali for him to be compared to him i guarantee it he probably did send him a letter sir you owe me money 1965 he mans a desk oh jesus there's a there's a big race riot protest at ucla in 1965 over civil rights and he mans a desk for the anti-civil rights group in the protest. What? That's how racist he is. And after the whole thing, he would later declare that Mexicans are overrunning the U.S.

and said, quote, from now on, I love American Nazis. Wow. In public, he said that. And by the way, every placeifornia is named after something spanish dickhead yeah he doesn't care wow that's fascinating how about los angeles yeah so buena park buena vista all that shit's spanish son san francisco santa cruz every goddamn city in california besides riverside right corona del sol think think about everything that's out there so i'm watching this old film from 66.

It's a surf film thing. It's not Endless Summer. It's something else. And a surfer shot it, and he's narrating it. And there's footage of Mickey. And the guy even narrates this. Mickey, you see the guy. There's a wave, and Mickey's up.

And there's another guy. And this guy kind of passes in front of him and makes Mickey kind of hold up for a second. OK. Two seconds later, you see this guy. And Mickey comes up behind him and cuts his board so it shoots up into the air yeah and misses this guy's fucking head by six inches he tried to take his head off wow he swung his board so it would come up and whack the guy in the fucking head wow knock him out and drown the guy probably so he tried to kill this guy with this giant board and he just missed is it a black guy so no it wasn't black guys aren't surfing in

the 60s that's i don't know if it's not it's true guy? No, it wasn't. Black guys aren't surfing in the 60s. I don't know if it's true. I didn't see one black person even near this fucking beach back then. So then they say he missed him with that one, so they go, watch this, though, and another surfer comes up behind him, so he fucks with this guy and makes him fall. He's like, couldn't get that guy, so I'll get the guy behind me.

He has to stick it to somebody. It's really, really wild. Yeah, the narrator said, quote, What I find interesting is that from this point out, you don't see any other surfers anywhere. On the wave, pulling out, in the lineup, it's just Mickey Dore all alone with his wave and his thoughts. He just cleared everybody out of the water, but everyone was like, leave him. Don't go near him. He's going to fucking kill you.

He's going to kill us all. He's scary. And he says about all this in their own words, quote, it's just because I'm authentic. Most of the time, all you get are clones all over the place. They don't have any completeness. They're not there. There are no individuals. They just copy me or somebody else in the beach who's got moves.

They don't have the antithetical mask that Yates talked about, the one you put on when you discover your completeness. You throw off the one you're born with that your parents gave you, your friends, that the principal gave you. That Yates wrote about. He's a philosopher? He is fucking quoting.

He's very cultured like that. My God. Like his dad cultured him. Cultured him, that's not. He's very cultured. Right. He cultured him up good. That's like Bernie Mac

going to Deaf Comedy Gym being like, oh, y'all motherfuckers leave and like snapping because he doesn't want anybody to do anything like him. It's so weird. Or Chappelle going to a comedy club and doing the same thing.

Everybody get out. Right. So his signature board is released by Greg Knoll's company again in 1966, and for 1966 and 1967, it's the biggest seller in history. Really? Biggest because that attitude is what all those kids want. That's what they're buying is that attitude. It's the biggest seller in history.

They re-released it again in 2001, and again, it was a huge monster seller. One of the advertisements for this board, they made a unique ad campaign for it that spoke to the punk-ass kids, basically, was him being crucified on two of his boards. Oh, God. That was part of the ad. So that spoke to these kids, though, because that's some anti-establishment shit in the 60s. Make the boards into a cross and nail yourself to it. Absolutely. It was the cat model, the cat model.

And the boards around men would sell for about $100. The ones Noel was selling were $100. They sold Mickey's for $165. And it was still the top selling. They couldn't make enough of them. He said, we couldn't make them fast enough. They were just, we'd make them, they were gone. We were just constantly, how do we do it more?

Yeah. I watched an auction from 2013. Yes, I watched 40 minutes of a surfboard auction. Surfboard auction from five, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. There was a 67 model Mickey Dore that sold for $20,000. Whoa.

$20,000. For a surfboard. For a surfboard, because it was an original 67 Mickey Dora surfboard. 67, he goes to Santa Cruz, surfs a little while there. And then in September 67, there's a big contest in Malibu. It's the Malibu Invitational. And it's a big deal. It's like the biggest surfing contest in the United States.

A contest attendee who wrote a book about this said uh, said, quote, he told me years later that he should have won the contest. Quote, I was light years ahead of those kooks. He said, those senile surf judges didn't know what they were doing. So what he did was he rode the last wave and he said he didn't like the wave that he got. So what he did was he rode past the judges and moon them. Whoa. He mooned them.

That's ballsy. and then just left that's ballsy as fuck yeah he just fucking left after that comedy contest and drop and trowel yeah it's like fucking i don't care here's my here's my cock on the front table we have an in their own words about this that's funny he says uh in their own words quote the competitive part of it is all a different ball game a whole different camp from what i'm involved in i don't want to think about it destroys the whole purpose of riding waves. I don't like noises. I don't like crowds.

I don't like bullhorns going off and people giving me orders how to ride, how to do certain maneuvers. I go into contests once or twice a year for the pleasure of shaking up the status quo. What do these people care about your subtle split-second maneuvers, years of perfecting your talents? What the fuck do they know? He's right. Same thing with Birdo Fox when he he said about the judges with bodybuilding.

What does that fat fuck over there know about me doing? What does he know? That guy hasn't lifted a weight in his life. What does he know about my pecs? Right. And all this, it's a comedy also that goes to. Now, Mickey Dora, Greg Knoll said about Mickey, quote, Mickey Dora was the black knight of surfing.

I mean, he did everything possible to piss off society. From the time he got up in the morning to the time he went to bed. His life was designed around just basically doing everything against the laws of nature and man. He was just a unique guy. People ask me what Mickey Dora was like. There's no answer to question that, really. No answer to that question, really.

What's a wild animal like? And that's basically what Dora was. He saw life through a different set of binoculars. But he did smell like a tire fire. He did. That always. A burning ham. Rubber and ham. A mixture. It's weird.

He would tell his friends all the time, quote, don't sell me out. Don't talk about me. He didn't want to talk. I don't know if he was keeping his own thing. I won't say a word. Now, here's what he would do. This is when he gets into really scamming. He would dress up in different costumes to go to different parties.

Like a movie. There was a big yacht party and it was a bunch of Arab guys out there. So he dressed up like an Arab. So he'd go to different parties. Okay. Like a movie. Like there was a big yacht party and it was like a bunch of Arab guys out there. So he dressed up like an Arab. What? So he'd go to the yacht party. He put on an Arab costume, walked right in. Like nobody fucking, nobody said anything. Every weekend they would get addresses of Beverly Hills parties, like their parents

and all that sort of thing. So they'd go from the beach and one guy- It was like a mailing list? No, no. Just like, you know, my parents are going to this party. Because back then adults gathered all the time. There wasn't Netflix. So people got together. Oh, so it's like their parents' parties. Yeah, it's like their parents' parties, fancy parties

in Beverly Hills. And the guy said, quote, Mickey would get in his car in his surf trunks. He didn't even shower. He'd park on the street in front of the party. He'd look at the people going in and figure the dress code out. Then he'd reach into the back of his car for the right outfit. Maybe a stolen tuxedo. Maybe a sports jacket. He'd change

not in the back seat of the car, but right there on the sidewalk. He could get away with it because he was so good looking and his stance was so regal. So he'd just walk in and be like Look at that handsome man's dick. That's amazing. They said he'd walk in and just he'd pull off like, how are you tonight, my lovely

darling? And things like that. And people were just like, oh. Duffy, is that man's dick out? Yes, it is. It's wonderful, isn't it? Let's go inside and have some caviar. Yeah, they said people would, women would come up and try to, you know, try to. Hit on him?

Hit on him. And he would just, they said he had an attitude like, get away from me. I've got stuff to do here. Because he was out there. I'm not interested in you and your vagina. Yeah, he was out there. He was there for a reason. He wasn't just there to fit in.

A friend of his has said, quote, he'd head for the bedroom where the women had tossed their purses. Mickey was a cat burglar. You betcha. And that's what it is. His friend said, quote, he'd go through every purse, take every wallet. His rules were sneak in, never dig dig for anything go for the first thing you see flip it open take the money out and ditch it oceans one get that's what he is he's oceans one and they're like we could do this better yeah uh tube steak says he's back of this he's gonna

be back says quote at a party we crashed in rustic canyon uh he the host had an academy award on his mantle as we were leaving the cops were called. They asked to look in Mickey's car, fine with him. After they left, Mickey has a sly look on his face, and he pulls the Oscar out from under his seat and says they missed it. He stole a guy's fucking Oscar. He stole an Oscar. Holy shit. He would keep a party kit is what he called it in his car,

which was some rocks, glasses, some alcohol, and a bunch of different clothes. And an Oscar. And an Oscar. So he could walk in and he'd just walk right in. You got a tuxedo and a rocks glass. Who's going to say you weren't in the party? He obviously just went outside for a second. It's amazing.

Fought all the publicity while selling boards and collecting money on it like crazy and telling all the magazines that he didn't like publicity while he was interviewing. That's awesome. He's got it figured out. Yeah, he really does. But they also said part of the cat nickname came from his stealing. Yeah. Because he's a cat burglar. Now, the author, Renson, said, quote, he hated being a celebrity except he couldn't live

without being a celebrity. The guy's a walking paradox. If you wanted something from him, he was suspicious. He classified people into people he respected and people he took advantage of. That's awesome. Yeah, and his words on it, in their own words. Apart from the racism, he's awesome. That's the thing.

Yeah, the racism is shitty. That's the part that really drags the whole thing down. Yeah, he's really interesting. He's really Hunter Thompson, but racist. He says in their own words, quote, the systems, communism, capitalism, nothing influences me. I just go straight ahead in my own thinking. That's the way I do it. Now, I don't expect anyone to live my life.

I've said that. It's pretty lonely. A very lonely, bizarre distance. He is. He's asexual. I think that's where I'm at in his head. He doesn't care about sex. He's just in it to be a fucking against the grain guy.

That's it. 1968. He's in The Sweet Ride starring Jacqueline Bissett. Wow. Actually, he's a surfer in that. Another friend of his, Alan Carter, said, quote, Mickey was a paradox. He was reclusive on one hand and flamboyant on the other. He'd get comped with $500 tickets to an A-list party in Hollywood, then give the tickets

away and walk in the back door. He's a wild character. Just to do it. Just because he could. He'd give away the tickets, not even sell them, and just wander in. And then he'd sneak in because that's more fun. Here, take these tickets. I'll see you on the inside.

That's more fun. Don't worry, I'll get in. And he lives like a king in these years, too. He's living, he has money all the time, he's got clothes, he's doing all this shit. No one knows where he's getting money from, too. And it's not just from robbing. They're like, that's not enough. Where is he getting all this money? They all assumed he must have like a rich family member, some kind of trust fund or something.

Like what's up with this guy? But what he would do is he started forging credit cards around this time that financed him. And we'll get into that in detail in a moment here. He releases to this magazine a chart in 1970 that's amazing. It's called the Chart of Cataclysm. And it's the surfing – it's a chart that's like this – we'll post it on our social media. But it's a line going up and up and up and there's all events.

November 22nd, 1962 and Ed Sullivan here and all these like events that go up the timeline. And then when it's like – and then it just goes from tip top in 1970 and it crashes down to nowhere, and it says Cataclysm down the side, and it's got a, we'll post it on our social media, but it's insane and brilliant. Okay. It's one of these where you're like, a very smart, crazy person drew this, and that's what this guy is. What's it about? Just about the surfing.

Okay. About surfing coming from nowhere in the 40s, getting really, really big, and now falling off the cliff is what he's doing. Cataclysm is after Ed Sullivan. Yeah. He says in 1970, I was a little bit smarter and quicker than everyone else, so I've been able to live the way I've wanted to. But I wouldn't recommend it. No. He's got a lot of great quotes like that.

So, yeah, he's doing his thing. He's trying to live his life. He's got all these scams going on. And finally in 1973, he's arrested in California for credit card fraud and fraud for using a bad check to buy skis, uh, skis, skis, skiing for fuck. He loves to ski. Does that really well? Snow skiing or water skiing?

Snow skiing. Snow skiing. He likes it. Uh, they go to the Swiss Alps all the time and ski and shit on other people's d too. Snow skiing or water skiing? Snow skiing. Snow skiing. He likes it. They go to the Swiss Alps all the time and ski and shit on other people's dimes, and he'll do that for a while. So, 1974, he finally goes to court for the bad check writing. He receives three years probation. He pretty much immediately violates the terms of his probation.

Yeah. He decides he's just going to leave the country, because he has a famous quote that he says all the time, quote, no problem is so big or so complicated that it can't be run away from. That's just you can always run away. A woman here, this woman, Linda Q, wanted him to take her with him instead of some other girl. And she said, quote, if you take Marsha, you'll regret it because she doesn't surf and you'll

be this little house boy running around doing stuff for her. But if you take me, I like doing all that stuff. She has this big quote. He's like, fuck me, fuck me. Yeah, because they were going to New Zealand and to South Africa and all these other different places. Jim Kempton's friend of his said, quote, Mickey's mind was criminal even when his gain was minimal. Just like the credit card. So small time is to make you wonder if he was really as crafty as everybody thought.

Also, stealing passports is a slimy thing since it puts the person you do it to in heavy jeopardy. And he was doing that, too. He was stealing passports and selling them. That's shitty. Just doing a bunch of scummy shit. He was selling them? He wasn't even using them? Yeah, selling them, using them, throwing them out, giving them away.

He's just being a dick. Gary Yosh, a friend of his, has said, quote, Mickey had a self-made book about two inches thick of every traveling scam he could think of. He had typed it out like a dossier. He gave it to me once before I had to travel somewhere. He said, read this and you'll see what tricks you can pull. My wife also read it and said, this is terrible. Don't give that to your wife. And his wife said, quote, I don't think he's on solid ground.

He's this master manipulator chameleon type guy. Here's the thing. When you read something like that, you've got to go, I shouldn't tell my wife that I hang out with this guy. That's exactly right. He blew that one. Fucking idiot. You're breaking the man code, you dickhead. Yeah, no shit.

April 11, 1975, a warrant is issued for his arrest. A bail set at $10,000 for when they do catch him because he's broken his probation like crazy. At this point, he's traveling around the world. He went to Berets. He went to New Zealand. He's in Australia. While in Australia, he's horseback riding at a friend's house. It was very nice.

He falls and shatters his arm. Hurts himself pretty bad. That's no good. No. So he goes to Switzerland for a while to get surgery and to rest up. It sounds like a stepdad here. Same type of thing. He ends up settling in France and just staying in France for a few years.

God, it must be so nice. In 1976, Mickey and his girlfriend at the time spent eight months in a Mercedes camper outside of a beautiful old farmhouse in Berets that was being rented by a friend. That doesn't sound great. No. Probably not terrible, though. Yeah. I mean, as far as back then.

I mean, you are in France still. And it's a Mercedes camper. It's not like they're – It's probably not a Winnebago. He was in the backseat of a Pinto. They got an AMC Pacer out there, and they loaded it up with their best stuff. It's not a Volkswagen Vanagon. Mickey was confident that the French would not extradite him, but he was scared shitless of being kidnapped and given to the feds for money because the feds were going around the FBI.

Really? And Interpol were both looking for him. But the FBI was finding friends of his in Europe and offering them $50,000 to turn him in. Wow. So they're offering like real money. That's good cash. Yeah. He's finally tracked down in 1981.

What he would do is there's basically there's a lot pay phones in france in the 70s that were shitty made russian pay phones that could be easily kind of fucked with yeah so you can make long distance calls for free and you could talk as long as you want fucking guy so you would see like a long line of like just like a long line of immigrants waiting by a phone in france that was what they'd call quote a magic phone yeah that's one that's been altered. That's a good name for it. Yeah. And so one guy said, quote, we all use them. But Mickey was a social guy who liked to keep in touch with many of his friends and had

to keep his international business matters organized. Consequently, he used the pay phone in the Basque country a little too often. Whoops. And what he did was he had the St. Sean Deluse. The local police were on the lookout for people doing this, and they were monitoring this phone, and they found Mickey calling on this phone and that he had inserted a metal rod into the coin slot and was arrested for tampering with the phone

because he figured out the way to do this, of course. It doesn't take him long. If there's a scam, he's going to figure it out and do it. So they found him there. They arrested him. So he puts the metal rod in and actuates the spot that makes it think it's getting changed. Yes. And they knew there was something wrong at the phone company because they know how many calls have gone out and how much money's in the box.

Right. And they're like, there's all these long distance calls, but we have no money in the box. This is clear. So they were keeping an eye on it. And when he would come constantly and do it, they were like, let's look at him. And they went and found him doing it. Got it. Boom, he's done. So FBI and Interpol are both after him, like I said. Sure. He says that from 74 to 81, he covered well over 200,000 miles over four continents, 90% of the time reconnoitering the coastal areas of India, Africa, the Far East, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and hundreds of islands.

Unbelievable. That's what he did while he was wanted. He said, only in Europe did Interpol or the Feds ever get close. Only after five passports and millions of taxpayers' dollars wasted on the hunt did I, with a gun pointed at my head, volunteer to return to the USA. They didn't extradite him because France didn't do that, but they pretty much put him in jail and tortured him and said, don't want to go home? You want to stay here?

And so finally he was like, maybe I'll go home. Is this a vacation? maybe I'll go home. Is this a vacation? Maybe I'll go home. He also was, he was hopping trains in Budapest. He would go on the backs of camels in Kenya and Wanderlust. He's a survivor, man. Yeah, he'd just do it. He'd go skiing in the French Alps.

He did jewel thief hunting. He did diamond hunting in Nambia. He'd go looking for diamonds. Namibia namibia i'm sorry namibia i say nambia uh dory he was he would bull he would be like a he would bullshit the casinos in in monte carlo he would hustle people on the golf course in france like he was literally hustling casinos it's crazy he was hunting blood diamonds he's doing all this horrible shit at this point how many people is he robbed in his life? Around the world? Around the world.

All these fucking people. Jesus Christ almighty. His dad's still alive, by the way. Hasn't talked to his dad. Took the other last name. What did he do with the Oscar? That guy's dead. He's been shitty to black people. That guy's poor Oscar's gone. Everybody's wallet's missing. Gidget's got an insulting nickname and she doesn't even know it. And now

Nidget is a thing, too. I feel bad for it. And now Nidget is a thing, too. I feel bad for all these people. And now Nidget is a thing. I feel bad for all these people, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Mickey Dora, a student at Arkansas Tech University. What? Lives in the greater Los Angeles area, apparently working on making computer games. And also, because if you look it up from his real name, I also feel bad for a woman named Dora Miklos, who is his name backwards.

She's a delivery program manager and lead leadership development at IBM. Yeah. And they call her Dora the Explorer everywhere. And also, that is Hungary Information Technology and Services. So that's Hungarian. So yeah, same thing. That's why I feel bad. September 81, there is an FBI file here,

and there was an agent waiting on him in Paris, and this is what he wrote. This is awesome. It says, quote, aware of Dora's hedonistic pilgrimage, I realize he may alter his plans. Mickey was booked onto a flight to L.A. following his promise to return home and stand trial, but he already missed two such flights,

and the agent acknowledges that Dora may again once return to France, given his surf compulsion and legendary lack of responsibility. Elsewhere in this article, in this report, the FBI describes him, the FBI agent describes him as, quote, quintessential, albeit aging, boy of summer on a perennial quest for the legendary ninth wave. Oh, he hates that. Yeah, he hates that shit. He hates that one.

Don't call me aging. I'm not aging. Now we have some great in their own words. Here's an in their own words on French jail. Okay. He says, quote, in their own words, quote, upon entering to the Grand Chateau, I proclaimed my service as an honorable gentleman to do my duty as prescribed by law. The management was so impressed by my presence that they instantly confiscated my luggage, including all of my interesting reading matter, and threw it all in the trash dump. Vitamins and all.

There's one thing I'll tell you for certain. I am not tipping on this trip. Just fucking crazy. And I'm never coming back to France. Yeah, so he spends three months in a really kind of hard-ass French prison, French jail, where they fuck with him constantly and make him want to go home. In September 81, he flies home. Part of the deal is he flies home first class, drinking wine, laughing with the travelers,

laughing it up, being this con artist. FBI agents meet him at the airport. They take him to jail. He gets off the plane with all the other passengers, and they're like, he's got fistfuls of cash, and they're like, we hope you see your dead mother. Yeah, we hope it's okay. Hope your sick mom's okay.

Every passenger that walks by him has a different story. Hope your uncle's okay. Totally. Absolutely. Back in the States, he's got some charges that have accumulated against him. On October 6th, 1981, he pleads guilty to probation violation in California. He's given until they give him three months to turn himself in, to surrender for the sentencing. So they fly him home.

And then they say, you can wait. You can turn yourself in. Hang out for three months. That means he has a lawyer. Yeah. He's given until January 2nd, 82 to turn himself in. They push him from jail to jail to jail for some reason. He's in all these different jails.

Who the fuck's the Oscar? He sent to maximum security Terminal Island Federal Penitentiary in Long Beach at one point here. And he says, a few of the local homeboys were checking me out as if I were a two-bit purse snatcher. One blurted out, oh, yeah, I went to Vegas for the weekend, huh? In my best diction, I replied, no, not exactly. Just took a wee trip around the world. A wee trip. Huh?

Oh, yeah, how long were you gone, man? And I was able to make the triumphant declaration, seven years, my man. A loud cheer burst forth as the guard escorted me to my cell. Like he's a hero because he ran away for seven years. Seven years. Like, yeah, go. That is a wee trip. So we have an in their own words on this little occasion.

In their own words, quote, I have been found guilty beyond any hope by the people of California who have a negative sense of humor. They seem unimpressed by my international status for all my bewildering indiscretions, one of which is being disinclined to do anything which requires effort. And the other great sin of riding more waves than any of the other species in the history of mankind. How about the other one? You stole someone's fucking Oscar, you dick! That too. You stole someone's Oscar

and terrorizing people with his giant fucking swastika surfboard. You stole somebody's purse. You're a thief. Lots of people, not somebody's. You're an asshole. He sent to- All I did was ride waves.

That's it. What a dick. They have a negative sense of humor. I'm trying to ride a fucking wave over here. There's cops just coming into the water and pulling me out for no reason. I want to know whose Oscar he took. God damn it. That would be great.

That would be awesome. I wish I could have Oscar he took. God damn it. That would be great. That would be awesome. I wish I could have got that info. The person would be so embarrassed. No, they're not going to want to tell. I think they'd want it back. They called the police. I hope they got it at some point. I don't think they did. He probably hocked that shit in Mexico or something. He smelted that shit down on a tire fire on the beach. Gold. He's obsessed with gold.

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And now back to the show. He sent to Vacaville Medical Facility for a quote. Vacaville, man. Vacaville, I don't know. What the fuck do I know? It's California. I don't know. What does that make a difference, VACA or VACA? What the fuck do I know?

It's an APOC song, that's all. I don't give a shit. I hate Tupac, by the way. He has like two good songs and a bunch of horse shit. Tupac sucks. He horse shit Tupac sucks yeah Tupac fucking is the most overrated fuck ever I like two of his songs and the rest are bullshit I don't even I couldn't even tell him honestly they're on deep cuts on albums and I'm like that one's all right most of it's just west coast garbage west coast fucking garbage and attempts at pop fuck nuts. I love them. And attempts at pop. Fuck you. Eat a dick, Tupac.

Anyway. Yeah. So I'm from New York, dude. I don't like that West Coast shit, man. So anyway, he goes to the Vacaville Medical Center facility for diagnostic study. And who is Tupac being the fucking authority on pronunciation? Is that where we're at now? All right, go on. He goes back to court where he's given three years probation

and an additional 161 days in county jail. But before he could finish that sentence, July of 82, he's arrested by the federal, by the feds now, for his spending spree from 69 to 72. Okay. He's indicted by a Denver federal grand jury. In Denver? In Denver.

That's where it was based out of, as we'll see. You're skiing that fucker. Well, no, no. In 1969, he had a Diners Club card issued to him. That's what a different time it was. Diners Club was like a real credit card. He altered the expiration date and one digit in the card number and went all around Europe and Asia just spending, spending, spending, spending because it wasn't to him.

Yeah. And you know what else, too, is because it had those like sliders that like copied the card. It was an imprint. There's no computers. There was no fucking magnetic strip on the back that you want. No. He's facing 10 years in federal prison for this one.

That's serious. He ends up plea bargaining for a misdemeanor charge of tampering with his own mail, which I don't know how the fuck you do that. You tamper your own mail. He threw away the Diners Club bills, therefore interfering

with the prompt return to the Denver issuing office. That's the legal explanation. It sounds like he threw his bills away and didn't pay them, which should be not mail fraud. That's nonpayment.

Not tampering with whatever. So July 22nd, 1982, he is sentenced to six months in federal prison, which kind of sucks. You, sir, may kind of fuck off. There's no waves in there, man. Just fuck yourself. He's sent to Lompoc Federal Prison in California. Am I okay on that pronunciation?

Did Tupac talk about that one? Did he say Lompoc? I would figure he'd talk about prison more than anything else. There's more Pelican Bay and that stuff. So December 19, 1982, he's released from federal prison. Now he's out in the streets. He's working a court-ordered job in Orange County to pay off his fines. That is the last thing he wants to do is work a court-ordered job way inland.

Way inland. Way inland to pay off his fines. Holy shit. So now he's sitting there. He's probably sweeping a fucking floor somewhere, just sweeping it up, wondering what's going on. He's like, this fucking sucks. Being asexual. He goes out on the patio to smoke a cigarette to just be so fucking mad. He hears dogs barking, and he's like, what is that?

It's Bobby Colorado, animal trainer from Fredericksburg, Texas. And he says... How is it you come to arrive here? What the fuck is wrong with you? Look at you. You got a goddamn broom in your hand like some kind of asshole. You had the beach. You got all these broads all over you.

Where's the Oscar? Where's your... You stole a fucking Academy Award. We don't know what that was for. I mean, some technical award. Hey, best fucking set design. What's the best makeup? This was probably your best act.

You took it with you. What'd you do? Put it up somewhere? Did you put it in the shack? Did you burn it in some tires? What'd you do, you fucking jerk? What's wrong with you? You had it all. You had it all. Now what do you got? Hold on. I'm sorry, sweetheart. Hold on. My dogs are getting a little... I gotta go now. The dogs. I gotta go feed the dogs. They're a pain in the ass and I think

Sparky has to shit, so I'm going to get going now. You watch your ass, asshole. All right. And he walked away. Just a poof and a cloud of marinara sauce. He was gone. Cloud of dog shit and marinara. He was gone.

Dog shit smelling marinara sauce. So during the 1980s, from there, he moves to South Africa. Spends a lot of time in apartheid South Africa. Really? This is pre-integration. This is black people are eighth class citizens, not even second. He would send letters back home railing about the blacks in South Africa. He fucking hated them. Dude, you're in Africa.

No shit. I don't care that it's South Africa. You're in fucking Africa. No shit. I don't care that it's South Africa. You're in fucking Africa. He said in their own words, quote, they're not like the blacks in the U.S. who will just kick your ass and take your wallet. These MFs are flesh eaters. Give these guys the rights and you'll get white man jerky for export.

Everything is going to hell in South Africa. I'm trying to move to South America somewhere before the blacks take everything. I will give him credit. He did capitalize black. That's nice. He did capitalize black in it. That's nice. He did give them, like, you know, proper noun status at least. Which was, he recognized they were humans at least.

So that's something. But I want to move to South America where there's other people that I rail against. Yeah. But they're not black anyway, at least. Most of them. They're a few shades lighter. Wow. What a dick.

What a complete fucking dick, man. I'm telling you right now. I'm telling you. Beige babies. Beige babies fixes this whole fucking thing. It's going to help. It. What a dick. What a complete fucking dick, man. I'm telling you right now. I'm telling you, beige babies. Beige babies fixes this whole fucking thing. It's going to help. It would help this asshole. So 1999, he's kicking around. Through the 90s, he lived in Mexico for a while. He just says he loves

the southern hemisphere. He doesn't like up north. It's too hot. It's too cold. It's too shitty. Yeah, he's not wrong. It's much easier to steal down there. Everybody leaves their doors open. Yeah. 1999, he's not wrong. It's much easier to steal down there. Everybody leaves their doors open. Yeah. 1999, he's in Morocco for several months where Phil Grace, who's the co-founder of Quicksilver, Quicksilver Surfboards and Clothes and Surf Gear and all that, he grew up in that area

in California, and he's a huge Mickey Dora supporter. Fan. He gives him just money. Really? He just says, you have a salary. You work for Quicksilver. You don't have to do anything. He gave him clothes to wear, gives Mickey clothes to wear in case he wanted to, but he didn't have to.

He didn't have to wear it. He didn't have to mention the word Quicksilver. He didn't have to go make a speech for a product. He just had to go around and be Mickey Dora, and that's it. They make great clothes. And that's it. They do. Very comfortable. And he would say that was it. So basically, this guy just wanted to take around and be Mickey Dora, and that's it. They make great clothes. And that's it. They do. Very comfortable.

And he would say that was it. So basically this guy just wanted to take care of Mickey. He felt bad that he was over there, and he's like, you know. And that way he could say, like, hey, Mickey Dora's working for me. I got him. Yeah, it's kind of a fun thing. Yeah, it's one of those. So early 2001, Mickey is living in France.

So he's living a decent life. He's over there, and he is diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Oh, that's a fucking death sentence. That's a bad one. That's the Patrick Swayze disease. This is the same as, like, the Under Armour guy, like, taking care of Vernon Maxwell. Kind of, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, he gave up on that shit, though.

Pancreatic cancer. I guess it was a really, really aggressive strain of it, too, obviously. He leaves France, where he'd been surfing to and hanging out, and he ends up going home to his father's house, who's still alive. Really? Still fucking alive at this point. His real dad. In Montecito. Yeah, in Montecito, California.

He says he's coming home to die, quote, as gracefully as possible, which is a funny way of putting it, though. Like, as gracefully as fucking possible. I mean, I am croaking and shit um he at one point goes to germany to seek treatment and was told by a doctor there that he didn't really have cancer um he's like you don't have cancer so mickey came back he didn't believe it but he was telling people this just i don't know if it was just one of his weird things he came back telling everyone that he had a hereditary transylvanian blood disease and it wasn't pancreatic cancer um hereditary Transylvanian blood disease and it wasn't pancreatic cancer. Hereditary Transylvanian disease? Like after midnight

I turn into a bat. What the fuck? But Transylvania just sounds like Dracula. Well yeah, that makes it sound like you sucked out someone's blood and now you have a disease from it. It's ridiculous. So during this late 2001, he's keeping in touch with a lot of his old friends. His old friends are calling him.

People are coming to visit him. And on January 3rd, 2002, Mickey dies in his father's home in Montecito. Even his nemesis, his old surf nemesis, you know, loved him. The one guy got a little biblical with the whole shit, which was weird. This guy, Johnny Fane, who was like his number one kind of nemesis back in the day, like his whatever. F-A-I-N? Competition. F-A-I-N. He said, quote, after Mickey passed, for a moment I thought he'd faked his death.

That it wasn't Mickey, that it was someone else. Because you would expect that from him. Maybe he had charges on him. I thought he could pull it off if anyone could. Then Steve Pesman told me it was for real. I told Greg Null that Mickey had died for our sins. He was the Messiah then. He was our Jesus.

He was our Jesus. He died for our, what the fuck? I mean, he did nail himself to two surfboards. He did, he did, if you want to get crazy about it. For him, he was cremated, and his ashes were scattered on the sand, what the fuck is that word? I don't know how to say that. Y-S-I-D-R-O.

Ysidro. Ysidro Trail. I don't-I-D-R-O. Ysidro. Ysidro Trail. I don't know if it was Ysidro. I'm so fucking paranoid about the country. San Ysidro. I don't care anymore. San Ysidro Trail. If it's wrong, go fuck yourself.

It's in California, James. So we have an in their own word. You say that like that means anything. Everything's Spanish there. That's all. That doesn't mean anything. I don't speak Spanish. I don't speak Spanish. That's like saying it's Moroccan, James. You should know. It's all Portuguese. How do you not anything i don't speak spanish i don't speak spanish that's like saying it's moroccan james you should know it's all portuguese how do you not i don't know it all

originated from your fucking language didn't it sort of but i don't speak that well so what the fuck do you want from me what do i look like sitting there doing a podcast the italians come from spanish i don't know it's all one big fucking mess yeah it's all a bunch of inbred shit absolutely so we have one last in their own words here on his whole life i'm summing up his whole life here in their own words quote if you are willing to accept the assertion that surfing is a colossal waste of time then i'll concede i've wasted my life but in better and more graceful manner than any of my two-legged counterpart parts no matter what the cost or consequences so he's I ain't sorry for shit. He stole an Oscar. He's a fucking hero.

He said, I ain't sorry for shit. No, he's not. I did it. I got away with it. Right. Fuck you. And I'd still be doing it if pancreatic cancer didn't get me. Absolutely.

Fucking amazing. The author, Renson, who wrote this book on him that we'll talk about here, he said, quote, I think that Mickey is synonymous with being an enigma and a mystery. And if you actually figured him out, you would take away the essence of what makes him Mickey. He wanted personal freedom. He just wanted to do what he wanted to do. He did not want to sell out and become assimilated. He looked around and the world didn't make sense or it made kind of sense to people with

jobs and lives, accommodations that he just said, I can't do it. He sounds like what Manson wanted to be minus murder. You know what I mean? Like talented. Yeah, yeah. And have people admire him. Fuck everybody and everybody admire him. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what it is. And yeah, he had that thing. He's kind of like a punk rocker. Yeah. Like that's what he is. Yeah, he's like Sid Vicious. Yeah, he's like a punk rock kind of guy. Minus killing himself.

But yeah, we'll still go out and play a show with him because he's got to make a living. Because he's got to pay the bills. Yeah. So May 14th, 2004, Leonardo DiCaprio's production company, Apian Way, optioned the feature film rights to All for a Few Perfect Waves, which is David Rensen's biography of Mickey Dora. Amazing. So they buy that and they're thinking about,

they've announced that they're looking at DiCaprio to play Mickey Dora back then. Because he plays everybody perfectly. Yeah, this never ended up coming. It's options, so it's sitting on a shelf somewhere still, but never ended up happening. You know why? Because Leonardo has a dad bod.

He looks like shit. But he would have fucking, this is a great role. Yeah, it's a great role. Who the fuck wouldn't want to play that? Fucking start dieting, Leo. Oh, Jesus Christ. Any actor would. This is the best role. This is Surfer Catch Me If You Can. This is amazing yeah it's a great role you want to play that fucking start dieting leo god damn it this is any actor this is the best catch me if you can that's i was just gonna say this is surf me if you can that's exactly what i was gonna say next words uh 2008 there's a film released kind of about him called chasing dora uh march 24 2009 uh all for a few perfect waves the aud Audacious Life and Legend of Rebel Surfer

Mickey Dora by David Renson is released on paperback because it was such a big hit and hardcover. There's also Dora Lives, the Unauthorized Story of Mickey Dora. There's a shitload of Mickey Dora books. Awesome. Tons of them. And tons of surf books from that era. I gotta be honest with you, this

was really interesting. So if you're interested in this era, this California early pre-population boom. It's what started it all. It's kind of cool to read these crazy stories. These guys were all nuts. His whole life and story in that time period is what drew everybody to California. Yeah, that's what I mean. And people would, the one kid, Bresnan, or Renson, who moved there, said he moved there in 64 from New Jersey.

And a girl on his block said, well, at least you'll be able to surf. Because they hear the Beach Boys, and you hear all this surf shit, and it's all from this one little tiny area in California. That's the whole culture is this one little place. If it weren't for Mickey, you wouldn't hear shit about the fucking Beach Boys. Kind of true. Nothing. Now, if you love Mickey Dora, yeah. If you love Mickey Dora so much, there's tons of Mickey Dora prints and Mickey Dora this and prints.

And you could buy a surfboard for $20,000 or whatever. Or you can get a nice, cool Mickey Dora T-shirt. It's him surfing a wave. It's like a picture of old film footage. It's a pretty cool-looking shirt on Etsy for $18.99. It's a deal. And you can go on MickeyDora.com. What?

MickeyDora.com. It's just a picture of him now and a message. It says, quote, welcome. We invite you in joining us making this website a permanent online history of surfing legend Mickey Dora. You can help make this happen by donating to our setting up fund at GoFundMe.com. We're sharing your photos and stories of Mickey. No, don't do it. Go fuck yourself. Don't give him any money.

Don't give him a dime. That's Mickey Dora. Holy fucking shit. Was that a crazy story? That's an insane story, dude. It's wild yourself. Don't give him any money. Don't give him a dime. That's Mickey Dora. Holy fucking shit. Was that a crazy story? That's an insane story, dude. It's wild. I can't wait for the movie. Because that's going to be a good movie.

Someone has to make this goddamn movie. Come on, Leo. Get off your fat ass and go make this fucking movie. Yeah, stop being so fat, fucker. Stop it, you bastard. So that's Mickey Dora. If you enjoyed that story, as I hope you did, as I know we did over here. Oh, my God, I love it.

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Stop being a dick. Yeah. And if you... He said the N-word multiple times in quotes that I left out because I can't have me saying the N-word on this podcast anymore. Did you say it? No, I didn't in this because I'm tired. No, but I mean you saw it. Fuck yeah.

Really? You said it all fucking time. Oh my God. Yeah, the line about Mexicans taking over the country, there was more to that. I just didn't need to do it because it wasn't going to be under music and I'm like, you know what?

I don't need this. I don't want to say this anymore. So anyway, do that. Ninja's far enough. That's perfect. So get on there, iTunes. Also, patreon.com slash crimeandsports. You can make a donation to us. We have

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Her name is Amy McConnell. I'm going to call her that because I don because her last name looks like something terrible. Her name is Amy McConnell. I'm going to call her that because I don't know. She looks like an Irish fucking anal taken. Yeah. It looks like if anal was on the McDonald's menu. That's what it looks like. If a leprechaun fucked another leprechaun, I'd give you the McAnals. Right.

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