Crime in Sports - #77 - A Killer Without Conviction - The Mysteriousness of Jim Dunaway

Episode Date: July 18, 2017

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Oh, James Dunaway. James, otherwise known as Jim Dunaway. Okay. Or Big Jim. Of course. Real creative back. James, otherwise known as Jim Dunaway. Okay. Or Big Jim. Of course. Real creative back in the 50s with the nicknames they were here. And he's white, huh? He's Big Jim.

He's white and he's from the South. Yeah, so he's just Big Jim. Just not clever. And his size, he's Big Jim. Really? He really is. He's born, let's start out where this whole thing started, right at the beginning. Madness begins.

Madness begins September 3rd, 1941 in Columbia, Mississippi. All right. So we're down south here with Big Jim. Yeah. Yes. Father also. He's born and then the Americans get sucked into World War II. That's pretty much it.

Yeah. He's a pre-war baby. Yeah. That's it. Now, he's a huge guy when he grows up and he's huge by the time he's in high school. He's 6'5", 280. Okay. A monster.

In the 50s, that's huge now. That's big now. In the 50s, that's like ungodly. Guys weren't that big back then. You take an offensive line, the average weight of an offensive lineman back then was like 250. That's in the NFL. This kid was in high school at 280.

Is that Godzilla? Yeah, they don't know what he is. This giant southern guy here. And the funny thing is his father's not very big. Really? His father's not a very big guy. Uh-oh. And his mother, well, his mother is repeatedly called, and I mean repeatedly over the course of this whole story.

His mother is repeatedly called big boned. I mean, I was finding newspaper. repeatedly called big boned in every i mean i was finding newspaper i this was the this was the deepest i've ever had to dig for a story by the way for all of this and i knew newspaper articles in the 50s in you know in in mississippi were calling his mother big bone that's hilarious so that's like the most polite way they could say that's a big big woman that he came from that's who he takes after because his father isn't that big. It's one of those. Nowadays, his mom would be on one of those motorized carts in the grocery store probably

or pulled out of a house on a crane. One of those people. That's exactly it. Yeah. She would be like Gilbert Grape's mom. And now, yeah, that would happen over here. What's eating Big Jim? What's eating Big Jim's mom?

Her bones, apparently. So he goes to Columbia High School in Columbia, Mississippi. So born there, high school there, lives there. In high school, he was just, as you can imagine by his size, he's a monster, just tossing kids all around. I mean, back then, kids weren't 6'5", 2'8". So he was just an absolute beast. And this is in high school.

Yeah. He's that big in high school. He actually cut weight for college. They made him shrink down a little bit. They were like, you're a little too big for college. Get down to about 265. They made him lose like 15 pounds because he was pushing the 285 mark in high school. It's illegal for you to play in this league because you're going to hurt people.

You're going to hurt people. Imagine what he was doing to high school kids back then. God damn. These kids were not that size. And he's going to land on them when he tackles them. Oh, yeah. He plays fullback. They put him as a fullback, god damn. And he's going to land on them when he tackles them. Oh yeah. He plays fullback. They put him as a fullback, number one.

Of course. If you're a coach, you're looking at him going, how can I get him the ball? Yeah. In the 50s and 60s, that was a big thing in football. If you had a big guy who didn't even have to be that athletic, just a giant guy, you'd put him at fullback. You'd just give him the ball and have him fall. You could fall forward for

five yards with people hanging off of him and you get five on a carry. That's what they used to do. They did that with him and they said it was when he was bearing down on the line that people were scared to tackle him. Once he gets up ahead of steam too, because a fullback, you're all the way back in the backfield. So you get ahead of steam running and that's some shit there. He also

played defensive tackle where he was just swallowing people up and nobody could run on him because obviously he's a monster, this guy in high school. I can't imagine what he looked like. I wish there was pictures, more pictures of him because I saw a couple of pictures. But I wish there was pictures of him playing football more. I really want like nowadays how we have like good cameras where we can see everything. I want to see him head toward the line and I want to see some kid who's like 5'11",

a buck 75 trying to tackle him. I want to see how is that made, like that Discovery channel thing, showing how they make the giant helmet that has to go on that fuck's head because it's got to be like a Volkswagen Beetle, just chop the hood and trunk. Oh, his head's monstrous too.

And they just weld that shit onto his dome. And balding since forever. Really? Balding since forever. He's one of those guys. He's a giant, huge guy. His body's just busy keeping him alive. It doesn't have time to grow hair.

No time for hair, guy. Sorry. Listen to me. I'm growing this big jowl thing that's hanging down because he's got that by a little later in his life. Hilarious. I'm growing these jowls out. I don't have time for my hair.

Although later on, he will grow an impressive full beard. Really? Really hilarious. A good lumberjack one? It's more than a lumberjack one. It's a dairy farming beard, as we'll get to later. It takes seven dairy farmers to grow his beard. That's what it is.

And then he collects them from all of them because they're scared of him. Here's my beard. Here, Big Jim. Big Jim took my beard. I scalped my chin for you, Big Jim. No problem, Big Jim. It's all right. In high school, he is Here, Big Jim. I scalped my chin for you, Big Jim. No problem, Big Jim. It's all right. In high school, he is known as Big Un.

Un? I don't know. Oh, Big Un. Big Un. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Big Un. Yeah. Big Un.

Like Big One, Big Un. I thought it was because he was done away. It's a southern thing. Like done on. It's a big, it's big. He's not known as a bigun. He's known as bigun. Yeah, that's what they call it.

That's what they call a big ass dude. But it's B-I-G-U-N. Yeah. Okay. Because they're dumb. I thought there was a biggin he's known as biggin yeah that's what they call it that's what they call a big ass but it's big-un yeah okay because they're dumb i thought it was done away later it's just it's it's for them to to just fucking look at it and go oh that's how it's pronounced biggin it's just just how it's written biggin jesus christ i i never thought that for a second holy shit i got a friend it's he's not dumb and the people that nicknamed him aren't dumb it's just they took a southern dumb name and fucking tacked it onto him yeah his name's george and you'd rather go by biggin than george i guess so yeah no offense to the south but if you call someone biggin as their nickname that's pretty fucking stupid i don't know what to tell you sure we have plenty of stupid nicknames in the north too it's just that's particularly dumb it's just how they

pronounce big one yeah biggin yeah yeah that's not the word one right they don't spell one out because then it's tough to spell that's a problem too so we've discovered it all now now we really figured out the whole plan here uh the local paper in 1958 when he's a senior in high school. The local paper has a picture of him. This is crazy, because he's holding up, just hoisting them like they're a dumbbell. A 150-pound kid with one arm and a 135-pound kid with the other arm. Wow. He's holding them in the air. In one arm?

One arm each. Do you know how much effort it takes me to put 135 pounds in the air? I can't do it. This guy just tosses this little kid. One arm each. Do you know how much effort it takes me to put 135 pounds in the air? Yeah. I can't do it. This guy just tosses his little, and he's like smiling with it up, and they're like, there's bigging. Unbelievable. Like, here he is.

I mean, he's the big man of the town. He's like football Lil Abner. Like, that's what he is. Pretty much, yeah. He's just this big baby Huey that they all are very, everybody wants a piece of this guy football-wise. Silver-haired, middle-aged white men come out of the woodwork for this guy. Let me tell you something. In 1959, he's graduated high school now.

He's in high school, too. He won every honor possible. He won all Southern. He was all Big Eight. So any honor you could bestow upon a player. Whatever he played in, he was all that. He was all this. Exactly. He was all Southern, all Big Eight, all everything. He player. Whatever he played in, he was all that. He was all this. Right. Exactly.

He was all Southern, all Big 8, all everything. He chooses. Now, he's got his choice of schools. Yeah. But he's a Mississippi boy. Where's he going to go, you think? Mississippi State. He's going to go to a university in Mississippi.

He's going to Ole Miss. All right. It's got the word Ole in it. You betcha. So he's going there. Biggin goes to Ole Miss. Goes to Ole Miss. That's some lazy shit to call your college, by the way.

Ole Miss. Yeah. Yeah. That's a little. At least Old Dominion puts the goddamn D on the end of it. So anyway, Ole Miss here. Eli Manning, alma mater there. He goes there in 1959. Red Shirts his freshman year is typical, especially back then.

Guys didn't play. That huge. I'm surprised they didn't just throw him in the mix. Yeah. Just throw him in there and have him fall on some people. Yeah, it doesn't matter. He goes – like I said, he's at Ole Miss. They're that huge. I'm surprised they didn't just throw him in the mix. Yeah. Just throw him in there and have him fall on some people. Yeah, it doesn't matter. He goes, like I said, he's at Ole Miss. They're the Rebels.

So they're Ole Miss, and their mascot is a Rebel, and it's a guy dressed in a Confederate uniform. Jesus. Have you ever seen there? It's like a cartoon character dressed in a Confederate uniform. It's the Confederate football team. Is it like Yosemite Sam, essentially? No, no, no.

He's in a Confederate uniform. Oh, my God. Like a legit soldier uniform. Like he's a legit soldier uniform. What the fuck? He's the rebel. Jesus. And he's fighting the Civil War. And he drags slaves out there when they score a touchdown. That's what they do. Every single time.

The whole crowd counts. The whole crowd counts lashes probably down there in the 50s. This is 1960, so that is not far-fetched. It really isn't. That's the sad part. This is Jefferson Davis' favorite football team. He sat home every Saturday and watched them.

Ridiculous. And they get creative. They bring out water cannons and just spray one or two. Yeah, they bring out German Shepherds. It's really fucking ridiculous. One German Shepherd, two German Shepherds. Unbelievable. And we're not far from that, too, because we're going to get into some shit that happened here.

That's pretty close. It's not far off. It's as dumb and almost as bad, put it that way. This year, though, 1960, Dunaway, now he's a sophomore. He moves into the starting lineup. He's getting right in the starting lineup at defensive tackle and offensive tackle. moved him out of fullback now he's not playing doing that in college makes sense in high school because honestly defensive linemen in high school aren't that big so if you're that big you're just busting through doing whatever you want yeah so they make him he's

defensive and on an offensive line of an offensive tackle and he's a badass offensive tackle too he throws people around really really good Ole Miss goes undefeated in 1960 they go 10-0 and one they have one tie it's a mid-season tie against LSU a game that's that was six to six which sounds terrible four field goals and four quarters that sounds awful boring as shit that's a defensive standoff though that's a stand you like defense damn it I guess so that's a defensive standoff that really is because that's two rivals going at it. And there was other games that year they won 47-0.

They were crushing people. They were undefeated. And LSU's a rival too. Those rival games are always closer. You play them once a year. The coaches know each other. They know what they like to do. It's like in football in the NFL. Divisional games like if you're a better, if you're a gambler, you don't bet on divisional games.

No. You avoid those like the play because your shit happens. Because you never fucking know. No, you don't know. Miami gets the Patriots once a year. It's one of those things. It's just divisional games are really funky and you avoid them like the play if you're a gambler.

If you're not, hey, more power to you if you've got the balls enough to bet on that shit. Except for one season. That one season when the Patriots won 16-0, but it didn't matter because the Giants got them. They got them in the end. They got them in the end. And we will talk about another undefeated football team here. We're going to talk about a couple. All right. Now, the Rebels this year, old Johnny Reb here, they were named national

champions by the Football Writers Association of America. So this was their first, like, legit real national title. They had shares of two other national titles, but back then there was no BCS. So it was like they'd had a bunch of polls. They had the coaches' poll, the AP poll, the writers' polls, and they would average them all together. And then they'd make some horse shit up, and they'd give it to the guy who had the best cookout last Sunday, I feel like.

That's all it was. Like, well, that coach made a nice catfish. We're going to give it to him. That's it. I really feel like it's that just arbitrary. It doesn't matter. That year before the bowl games even took place, the bowl games were like after everything back then.

Like now, you know, the bowl games, if you're not a college football fan, which I'm not really either, but I know this stuff, the bowl games, you know, the season ends in early December and there's like three weeks, a month, and then there's bowl games. Right. And early New Year's Day, traditionally, that sort of thing. So they, apparently the two major polls gave the national title to Minnesota before

the University of Minnesota, before the bowls even happened, which is ridiculous. Meanwhile, Mississippi and Missouri were the only two major conference teams that were undefeated that year. So it was one of those. They got a portion of the national title. Very confusing

back then. I don't know how anyone was a college football fan. Nothing was... The games ended in ties. Polls deter... I was like, well, this is all arbitrary. This is all... What happens here? Why does anybody get a trophy? This is stupid. Yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous.

You got a trophy because two out of the three groups of people said that. It's so silly. So that year they end up winning at the Sugar Bowl against Rice, who's not exactly a football powerhouse nowadays. I don't know what they were back then. But yeah, so they had, that's a huge season. He's, you can't be any happier. No. You come in, you're national champion right away. Like, okay,

that's shit. That's terrific. 1961, they come back and Ole Miss finishes the season with a 9-2 record that year. Lose a couple of games. They get a berth in the Cotton Bowl where they lose to the Texas Longhorns 12-7.

And the Longhorns have been very, very good around that time period also. That year their only losses were to Texas in the Cotton Bowl, and they lost a really squeaky close game to LSU, of course. LSU seems to really have Ole Miss's number in 1961. So bet on LSU. And probably now. I'm not sure.

LSU's really good now. Well, I don't know if they are this year. They've been up and down, I know. They've been pretty damn good. Didn't they just fire their coach last year, I feel like? I don't know. I thought they fired. I can't keep up with it, but I feel like they fired their coach.

There's too many goddamn teams. Yeah, because they went up and down, and they shouldn't have fired their coach. I remember people saying that, and I can't fucking keep track. Anyway, moving on. I'm more of a pro guy. 1961, this is his junior year here, the Cotton Bowl year, where they go nine and two. So things are going well for him. Yeah.

I mean, everything's fine. He's like 21 years old. He's a champion. He's doing well. He's bigging. here, the Cotton Bowl year, where they go 9-2. So things are going well for him. Everything's fine. He's like 21 years old. He's a champion. He's doing well. He's bigging. He's doing fine. He's all everything he ever plays.

He finds a girl. Of course. He finds a girl at this point, which back then in the 50s, in 1961, probably especially down south, but everywhere, you find a nice girl when you're 20, 21 years old. You marry her. You start a family. That's what you did back then. There was no, I'm going to get a career and do all that. Not sure about her exact size.

Her name is Naneel Gates. She's known as Nana. So we're going to call her Nana for the rest of the episode because it's easier than Naneel. So Naneel Gates, he marries her. She becomes Naneel Dunaway. She becomes Naneel Biggin. Nana Biggin. Nana Biggin. That's Nana Biggin. You know that's what Naneel Biggin. Nana Biggin. Nana Biggin.

That's Nana Biggin. You know that's what the grandkids call her. Nana Biggin right there. If they don't call his mom that. That's true because she's so big boned, as we're aware, from the constant press coverage. You know she was sitting at home, too, reading all these articles with pride. I'm sure she's cutting them out of her son. And she's like, will they stop calling me fat?

Please. Jesus Christ, I'm doing my best here, for fuck's sake. I raised your all everything right there, by the way. I raise a nice kid. I work hard on the house, the family, I do all this, and every reporter from- Every article says his dad's a very small man, very quiet, keeps to himself. His mom is fat as shit. His mom's fat as shit.

Every journalist from here to the Atlantic, just making a line like Sherman to the sea, has commented on my big bones. This is bullshit. Fuck. Gave this poor lady a fucking complex. She's going on diets. Awful.

Poor woman. The hometown papers stopped interviewing her. They're just like, we can't go look at that fat bitch anymore. Yeah, sorry. She's too big. She's too big. They're like, come on, please. He's like, come on, be nice to my mom.

Jesus Christ. You know, back then it was probably all right to call people, come on, please. He's like, come on, be nice to my mom. Jesus Christ. You know, back then it was probably all right to call people fat. Yeah, sure. Yeah, she's a big fat pig, that one. Don't worry about it. Big boned. She invites people in. She's like, would you guys like anything to eat?

And make a joke. Go ahead. Make a joke about how fat I am. I know I am. But if you're not going to eat it, I probably will. It's probably going to happen. So he marries Nana. Future's bright.

I mean, the future is ahead of these people like nobody's business here. I mean, he's a star. He's got a bright future ahead of him. Now he's got a wife. Everything's going well. 1962 is his senior year at Ole Miss. They win the SEC championship, the Southeastern Conference championship. They finish the season undefeated at 10-0.

Good God. 10-0, God damn it. They are awarded the national champ. This is what I mean. Listen to this. They're awarded the national championship by the Billingsley Report, the Lichtenhaus, and later the Sagarian ratings. Lichtenhaus?

No. No? It might be Lichtenhaus. Lichtenhaus? No. No? It might be Litkenhaus. Litkenhaus? Litkenhaus. That's why I was like, I don't know. These are the writers, obviously, yes? No, these are different polling polls. This is the Billingsley

report, the Litkenhaus and the Sagarin ratings. What the shit? Okay, that's their award of the national championship there, but they're number three in the coaches poll and the Associated Press poll, so they're number three. Okay.

Well, then why do they even have those other ones? That's what I'm talking about. Get the fuck out of here. Listen, Billingsley and Littgenhaus, no one cares, Sagarin. No one gives a shit because your ratings don't matter. They don't go into this decision anyway. No, three of you said that they're the champs. Two of another one said it to someone else, so they're number three.

They're not even number two. They didn't even get second. Yeah, your shit doesn't even count to drive them over the three hump. There's another team in that spot. So, ridiculous. But this here, this is not all joy and rainbows and flowers and glitter on the campus of University of Mississippi in 1962 because this was the whole civil rights movement backdrop here. This actually, ESPN had a really good 30 for 30 about this called The Ghosts of Ole Miss. Really?

It's really, really, really excellent. I suggest anybody who's just really interesting shit and good historical. It doesn't really have anything to do with sports, but it's just a historical thing and really good deal. But this is under the backdrop of this entire civil rights movement because this is 62. This is just pre-civil rights, and Mississippi is where it was heating up. Mississippi burning. Mississippi burning. I mean, this was the battleground for civil rights right here. And there was a student named James Meredith who was being aided by the United States government because the Supreme Court ruled you have to let him in the goddamn public university.

You let the black guy in. Let the black guy in. So the United States government, National Guard troops, everything else were attempting to get this guy to enroll in the university and help him get through and not get killed. And there was giant riots at the school. Wow. They went nuts. And there's tons of footage. And the ghost of Mississippi is crazy, too, because they talked to some of the guys that

were in that riot now. Yeah. And when you talk to it, it's so weird. You talk to an ex-racist? Yeah. Some of them were just like, well, you know, that's what people were doing back then. I don't know. Like, they didn't care. And some of them were just like, I, you know, that's what people were doing back then. I don't know. Like, they didn't care. And some of them were just

like, I don't know what I was, you know, like literally. Listen, you guys are going to show my face. I'm an idiot. I really fucked up. They were like, I don't know what we were thinking, but it was the time. My neighbor Jamal now is a really great guy. I invite him over. He loaned me his Clippers last week. My hedges, look at my hedges. They look

great. Oh, yeah. He gave them right back. He didn't mess them up or anything. So, you know, they're fine in my view. It's all good. The blacks are fine with me. It's no problem. The blacks. I gave him a Midwestern accent there.

But yeah, no problem there. But the people went batshit at this school. They did. They were burning things, setting things on fire. People were getting beaten. And it was horrible. Did we get an opinion of this from Biggin? From Biggin?

No, that's the thing. He stayed out of it completely. He stayed out of it. I'm not taking a side, you guys. I look like a real asshole. Well, most of the players, they just wanted the players to not be involved in anything. They just want everybody to like them. They're clean-cut guys that represent the school very well.

Don't make waves, assholes. Don't make waves. And they were telling, and some of the guys, too, on the 30 for 30, guys that represent the school very well. Don't make waves, assholes. Don't make waves. And there was a lot. And they were telling, and some of the guys, too, on the 30 for 30, there was some of the football players that went to the riots to go see what was going on. Yeah. And that was a big thing because they were told, definitely stay the fuck away from that. Don't even attend. Yeah.

Go away. Be cool. Go home. Have some fried chicken and go to bed. Don't mess it up. Exactly. Whatever the hell we're eating down here in the South, have some grits and go to bed. Yeah, they do. Yeah. The South, they love fried chicken. They will love it. That's terrific we're eating down here in the South, have some grits and go to bed. Yeah, they do.

The South, they love fried chicken. They will love it. That's terrific. I do like some of the Southern food. Looking at death penalty last meals, overwhelming. A lot of fried chicken. Last one is fried chicken. A lot of fried chicken. Overwhelming. Big time. How often do they get

fried chicken in prison? Yeah, it's true. They should probably just give that to them every meal because they love it. Yeah, that's true. And it's not even a color thing, too. This is not racist. Most of these guys are white that we're talking about, the death row guys that are getting the fried chicken. It's really strange. Everybody loves fried chicken.

It's amazing. How the fuck do you not love fried chicken? What's wrong with you? It's delicious and wonderful and crispy and great. So clever to think to put breading in fucking oil and it's amazing. Fantastic. Fantastic. So Jim avoids this. He stays out of it and he won't give any

quotes about it or anything. He just says, I'm just trying to concentrate on football and becoming the best player I can be. He gives him the whole thing. He's named All-American for his troubles. So he is a first team All-American right here. So that's something huge. I mean, that's senior year.

You are three lesser agencies national champion. Well, I mean, you went 10-0. What else can you do at that point? I mean, you did all you could do. That's what I mean. The SEC is a bunch of good teams. What else could you do besides go 10-0? So you've got to walk away with your head held high and just go,

what do you want? I don't know. And you're 6'5", higher than everybody you've got to walk away with your head held high and just go, what do you want? I don't know. And you're 6'5", higher than everybody else. Yeah, your head should be held very high. Yeah, so these riots were not terrific, but he escapes this whole thing, doesn't even think about it. This was before the football season, and it was a thing that kind of the Ole Miss season kind of helped heal the school a bit because they went 10-0. I'm sure not the black guys because I don't think they were playing. A lot of them were on the team

and that sort of thing. So let's not, you know... Give them too much credit. Yeah, it calmed the white people down a bit so they didn't burn any more shit to the ground. We have these people that we have to help take care of now. We have to count votes.

We have extra shit we got to count. Can't set the admissions office off flame. We got all these water fountains to switch over now. Yeah, no shit. But at least our football team's awesome. But they're really good, so that's top notch, and our offensive tackle can lift up two smaller people with one in each arm. So December 1, 1962, I went all the way.

That's the end of the season. We haven't hit the bowl game yet. This is what's odd about this. Now what they do is they have the end of the season. We haven't hit the bowl game yet. This is what's odd about this. Now what they do is they have the end of the college football season, and then they have like three months of poking, prodding, and checking on potential draftees. They have a combine where they time everything they fucking do, and they just make sure that they treat them like a piece of cattle.

Like a piece of cattle. Like a cattle. Like a cow. Like a head of cattle. Like a piece of cattle. Like a cattle. Like a cow. Like a head of cattle. Like a head of cattle. Thank you. A piece of cattle. I'm an idiot. A leg of cattle.

A leg of cattle. They treat him like he's a cattle arm. And so, and then they have a draft in April. So there's like three months. Back then, they did the draft before they even did bowls. Really? They did the draft in the beginning of December back then. I mean, the ratings for college football probably weren't that big back then.

So if they're going into the majors, going into the NFL, maybe that, like, you now know who is going to be in the NFL. Maybe it'll draw more ratings to the bowls. Maybe. I don't even know if it was that because I don't even think they were looking at it so much. That's crazy, though, to put a guy that still has games to play and you're signing him? You draft him. You don't know if he's going to

A, break his leg in a bowl game. Also, too, you kind of want to see who performs well on the big stage. That's kind of a big thing. Like, hey, that quarterback really turned it on when it mattered. Maybe we look at that. Maybe we should have gotten that one instead of this asshole. Although maybe sometimes teams put a little bit too much stock in that. I know in the NBA they talk about owners that watch too closely,

watch the tournament, usually make bad draft picks. Because they see a guy, they fall in love with him over three, four games, and they're a good player for college, but they just fell in love with how gutsy they were or how well they played in college. And they led the team. Maybe the other guys are just gutless as fuck. Yeah, or the lesser competition is another thing.

December 1st, 1962 in Dallas, Texas is the 1963 AFL draft. Oh. This is not the NFL. No. Everybody out there, if you're a big football fan, you'll know this. If not, I'll give you a short history of what the AFL is. AFL began in 1960. NFL is the big monster league. They had a little bit of competition in the 40s. They had the All-America Football Conference. The AAFC began play in 1946, but they petered out in just a few years. One of those things, actually interesting thing about

the AAFC was their kind of perennial champion was the Cleveland Browns yeah and they were uh considered to be you know a really great team no matter what league they played in right and uh after the 1949 season the AAFC because of financial issues obviously disbanded and three of their teams went to the NFL and that's where we got the Browns San Francisco 49ers and the Baltimore Colts, original version of the Baltimore Colts. They all came into the league in 1950. So there's a precedent for a rival league that somewhat competes here. That's so weird, the inception of these teams, how it evolved into what it is today.

Because Baltimore and Cleveland, between those two cities, there's three teams involved in that now today. Yeah, all moving all around. The way it's gone through. And the Niners are still the Niners. Right. I mean, the Browns have been gone and then got the Browns back again. The Browns went from Cleveland to Baltimore to be the Ravens,

and Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis. Yeah. And now Cleveland couldn't fucking just leave well enough alone. They had to have a football team. How do you feel about it now, assholes? How's your team now, guys? Your team eats shit every year. Just be happy that they were gone.

So the league must have, that league, the 40s league, the AAFC, must have got under the NFL skin a bit because briefly in the 40s, between the 49 and 50 season, the NFL changed their name to the National American Football League. Oh, is that right? That's what it was called. But before the season started in 50, they had changed it all back. All their corporate shit, they changed it back to National Football League. They realized that brand means something to people.

Yeah, exactly. All the way back in 1950. What the hell is this National American shit? Where did the NFL go? Why are we using those two words together? That's a good point. It makes no sense. It's so dumb. National American,. Where did the NFL go? Why are we using those two words together? That's a good point. It makes no sense. National American?

We get it. It's national and American. It's the same shit. Just have two conferences and blanket it. One national, one American. They figured that out. Let's do it, man. So the AFL, though, began in 1960.

The AFL was cool. The AFL had a little less talent, obviously, but they, at this point, started competing with the NFL for players. This is when Joe Namath came in and all these guys came in where they were actually competing for players. They said, let's make this a thing. That's awesome. The AFL, too, they tried to make it different. It was supposed to be a more wide-open game. Everything was different.

The teams were different. The cities were different. We'll go through. In 1963, these are the teams that are in the AFL. All of these teams are now absorbed into the NFL, but we had the Boston Patriots back then, the Buffalo Bills, the Houston Oilers, who are now Tennessee Titans, the New York Jets, who started out as the New York Titans in 1960 and then changed their name to the Jets because they thought it was cooler. And it probably fucking was in the early 60s when Jets were like a cool thing.

It still is. Yeah, it still sounds better than the Titans. Their fucking helmet's way cooler than the Titans. Yeah, I like their 80s helmets because I'm partial because I was a kid when they had them, those green plastic looking ones. I like those helmets for some reason. These San Diego Chargers who started out in Los Angeles actually as the

Los Angeles Chargers. The Oakland Raiders. We know where they came from. Kansas City Chiefs and the Denver Broncos. Your Denver Broncos. Who in 1963 were a whomping 2-11-1. They were awful. Really killed it. And they had the ugliest uniforms.

They had the worst striped socks and shit. Yellow and brown. Jesus. There's a great, great, and it's on YouTube actually, but there is a great, I think it aired on HBO or Showtime or something originally. Terrific, like five-part series on the AFL. And I can't remember when the game became color or something like that it's called. If you just look up AFL documentary, it's on there.

It's like a five-parter. So awesome. And they go over the Broncos uniforms in such great detail. The players tried to throw the socks out and they would come back with more. It was ridiculous. I don't remember how they came to them, but I think somebody— They got them donated. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

I think they were just presents that they couldn't fucking shake them anyway because they had no money to buy anything else anyway. So eventually they had a big bonfire, though, and burned all the socks. The team, like, happily threw them on the pile. Like, finally, they're gone. We can stop looking like idiots. When they do the throwback uniforms in Denver wear, I want to cry. It's so embarrassing. The best thing was hearing about people making fun of them on the field.

This is in the early 60s. Guys would be like, yeah, nice socks you got. They're making fun of these guys. So they said they were like, we felt weak. We're out there being made fun of the whole time. We're being bullied. That's what it was. And we're 2-11. Was it 2-11? like, we felt weak. We're out there being made fun of the whole time. We're being bullied. That's what it was. And we're 2-11.

Was it 2-11? 2-11. They're rubbing our faces in the ground and in our fucking own asses while they make fun of our socks. It's ridiculous. But this 63 is really when the league started. The AFL started to want to challenge the NFL as the strong league. to want to challenge the NFL as the strong league or try to at least – we never know whether they wanted to become their own league as powerful as the NFL or if their ultimate goal was merging with the NFL, which that was like –

Business-wise, you want that. You want that or you want to beat the NFL. I don't know. I'd like to be absorbed. If you build anything nowadays, you just want to be absorbed and just – Nowadays. Get out of the fucking business and have a shitload of money. I feel like in the 60s, though though that wasn't the way you did it you wanted to build a business and have a big be the guy

gargoyles are powerful and with a top office that you can see over the city and now you're like that's expensive i'll work out of my home and i'll buy like a couple of outdoor trailers for my team to work in and i'll save every dime possible then, it was like you actually tried to have some pride in what the fuck you did. Stand at the window of your office and cross your arms and every time you laugh, there's a lightning strike. Yeah, exactly. Every goddamn

night, you just stand at your window and giggle to yourself and watch the lightning come down. You have that big office from the Hudsucker proxy. That's what you have there. One of those. So in this draft, we should get to Jim at some point here. In this draft in 1963, Jim is drafted No. 9 overall. Oh, shit.

No. 9 overall, which is the first pick of the second round, because there's only eight teams, by the Buffalo Bills. Is that right? So, yeah, he ends up and gets picked by the Buffalo Bills, but that's not the only team that picks him, because the NFL draft is two days later. Oh, shit. The AFL draft was on a Saturday, Saturday, December 1st, 1962.

The NFL draft, this is how different the NFL draft was than it is now. Now it's a big deal. They make a huge deal in April. It's a primetime event. The top picks. They do the whole thing. It's a TV production. It's one day for one round, the next day another round. It's a primetime event. The top picks. They do the whole thing. It's a TV production. It's one day for one round, the next day another round.

It's a TV deal. Yeah, keeping people around watching in suspense. That's what I mean. This was done December 3rd, 1962, which is a Monday. They held their draft on a Monday. And not at night either. This was like, yeah, Monday, 7 a.m., everybody get on the phone, and we'll all pick our fucking guys. Let's get these guys in order.

Let's do it. That's what they did, because they didn't gather and have a big camp. It was just literally like eight guys in a smoky room going, you're taking Johnson. All right, we're taking Jackson. All right, good deal. That was it. They wrote it down on a piece of paper. Not your guy now.

So this was December 3rd, 62, like I said, at the Sheraton Hotel in Chicago at 11 a.m. Jesus. 11 a.m. on a Monday morning. They had the fucking draft. That's insane. We'll do it over lunch. What do you guys say? Let's do that.

Well, you're not going to do it over lunch because the draft is 20 rounds long back there. Oh, that's right. The draft is seven rounds now. We'll do it over lunch for an entire week. Yeah. Jesus. They do it prime time, and then they just kind of let the next few rounds, the later rounds in the NFL draft now just be on at night somewhere.

But this, 20 rounds long, 11 a.m. Monday morning. Imagine the smoke in that room in round 17. You couldn't see in that room. What's the amount of guys you can have on a roster now? Is it 80, man? 53. 53. It used to be 80, right?

I don't think so. It used to be like a big number. They just trimmed it down to 53. No, it's been 53 forever. You have 53, and then you have your practice squad guys, and I think active day of game, you have 49, I want to say, but you have four that you can activate over the week or not. Back then, you could technically draft almost half a fucking team and cut the rest of them. You cut them all off.

Unbelievable. It didn't matter. Just cut them. Who cares? Yeah, that's what they would do. If you wanted to. Yeah, that's what they would do. If you wanted to take a chance.

Seems like the Browns do that every year now. Yeah, they're pathetic, the Browns. That's fine. We'll take whoever we can get. I saw a list of the amount of quarterbacks they've had, and it's just depressing. So depressing. From like since Bernie Kosar basically left, 95, 94. It's just where every quarterback goes to die.

It's a disaster. Oh, yeah, Tim Couches and all those guys. Oh, that's so depressing. Yeah, it's so bad. Wasn't really great outside of Bernie Kosar, who also wasn't really that great, but he was okay. Better than Mike Pagel, I guess. I guess it's better than Mike Pagel.

So that's an 80s backup quarterback for the Browns. Sorry, guys. I had a lot of football cards in the 80s. I know all these guys. It's fucking sad. I was a big football card collector when I was a little kid. Fuck. So they're 20 rounds long, but we don't need 20 rounds to get to Jim

because the Minnesota Vikings take Jim at number three. Really? So he's the number three overall draft pick in the NFL, which is insane. And the AFL waited until pick nine to take him? Yeah, they were taking different types of guys and whatever, but they really wanted him at three. He was a Minnesota type of guy because you want a big, sturdy guy that can withstand the cold because Minnesota played outdoors back then. Is that right?

Oh, yeah. They absolutely did, and there's some great footage of them playing in blizzards. Guys with two inches of snow on their helmets and stuff. It's awesome. But the Vikings, they were a new team, too, the Vikings. Their first season was in 61. And he looks like a Viking. He looks.

He's perfect for it. Yeah, first season in 61. They thought they had to, too, the Vikings. Their first season was in 61. And he looks like a Viking. He looks. He's perfect for it. Yeah. First season in 61. They thought they had to draft Vikings. No shit. They thought they had to draft actual Vikings. We need a giant guy. Yeah, he's a Viking.

We need a giant white guy with a beard and enough hair to put into sideburns and braids. Yeah, just sideburns. None of the rest of them has any hair, so it's fine. He essentially looks like the guy on the side of the helmet. Yeah, except not blonde. Right. Oh, he's not? No, no, he's a brown haired guy. It's so weird that he got

taken by two of the coldest, shittiest weathered teams in football. It would have been a harder decision if you got taken by Los Angeles and you got taken by Minnesota, but this is like Buffalo or Minnesota, take your pick. Holy shit. Well,

which one has a worse accent? Fuck, they're both the two worst accents ever on the face of fucking earth. Hilarious. Oh, my God. The peel of paint off the wall's nasal. Which one can I not try to shoot myself in? Holy shit. Both of them are identical.

At least they have wings in Buffalo. Sounds good. Signing there. That's where he went? He ends up signing with Buffalo. He went for the wings. He's like, nah, Minnesota, too flat. I think he had a problem with Asians maybe.

I'm not sure. He's from the South. You never know. So now he's drafted on January 1, 1963. He's still in college, obviously. Ole Miss plays. They beat No. 6 Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl. So, I mean, they're 2-1 in bowl games since he's been there.

They lost the one to Texas, but they won two. They got a national championship. About 15% of another national championship, I guess. They had to deal with an enormous historic event at his college. Yeah, that was a big deal, man. So 1962 season, to talk a little bit about Buffalo and what they were doing. By the way, there's a horrible crime here coming up at some point. But this will have to get into who this guy is first.

It's very important. So Buffalo begins to get better at this point. 1962, they're starting to get better players. It's starting to go. Like Jack Kemp was acquired off waivers from the Chargers. Jack Kemp, you might know as a guy who ran for vice president. Oh, is that guy? That's that Kemp.

Same Kemp? Yeah, it's Dole Kemp. I had no idea. That's Kemp. Wow. Yeah, he ends up playing for the Chargers. He played for the Buffalo Bills. I didn't know it was him.

Yep, longtime Buffalo Bill quarterback. He had led the Chargers to back-to-back AFL title hands. All right. Title hands, title games back a couple years before that. Your brain just auto-corrected games to hands? That was wild. My brain actually did that. Your brain just auto-corrected.

Yes. Because if you type games into your phone, it will go to hands. Probably, yeah. That's amazing. That's sad. I'm all hooked up. just auto because if you type games into your phone it will go to hands probably yeah my brain that's amazing that's sad i'm all i'm all hooked i'm tied way too much way too much research is an apple product way too much research jobs look what you've done to my friend oh my god this is scary i'm like a research robot this is turning weird man that just happened maybe someone's i feel like i'm just programmed now you are a product of the machine i am i am i'm in the matrix man 100 did you take the red or the blue i don't

want to know what i don't know i hate the matrix so i'm not sure the bores the fuck out of me i can't believe that just happened to you that was amazing so weird yeah my brain also to literally guys i have slept in the last three days, I've slept maybe six hours total in three days. Your brain's autocorrecting. It shows. Between editing and researching, and I've had my kids, I can't believe words are coming out of my mouth right now.

If you try to say fuck and say duck here, I'm going to lose my mind. Oh, no. If I say, if any ducking does this, yeah, please, kill me at that point. Put one fucking bullet in my head at that point, because I have gone over the deep end, man. That was amazing. Also that year, Buffalo drafted a guy who was supposed to be great, a running back named Ernie Davis. And they thought they could really get him to play for Buffalo because the Washington Redskins, the NFL had drafted him and Davis refused to play for them for some reason. So they were like, we're going to get this guy.

But instead, he actually opted to play in the NFL because the Redskins traded him to Cleveland. Weird part is, though, this guy died of leukemia before playing a single down. Holy shit. He already had leukemia when he was drafted? Apparently so. He died of leukemia. That was it. Never played a down of football, this guy, this Ernie Davis.

Much ado about nothing. Much ado about nothing. Never mind. Glad we lost that hand. I rescind all arguments. Oh, boy. Yeah, never mind. So instead, the Bills get one of the Canadian Football League's best running backs, a guy

named Cookie Gilchrist. Yeah. If you watch those AFL documentaries, you'll get to see Cookie Gilchrist. Cookie Gilchrist is a monstrous, big, giant guy that plays fullback. And he's slow. Named Cookie. And you would not say a word about him being called Cookie. You'd go, okay, Mr. Cookie, sir.

Like, he's a big guy, and he runs people over, and they just show him running. He's not that fast. He's not that athletic. But he's a giant, strong guy, and there's people hanging off him. Amazing. One on his arm, one on his leg, and he's show him running. He's not that fast. He's not that athletic, but he's a giant, strong guy. And there's people hanging off him, one on his arm, one on his leg, and he's just dragging them. He's awesome, this Cookie Gilchrist guy. Great.

Just look him up. Look up a highlight. It's so much fun to watch. So January 31st, 1963, Jim is asked to come back to Columbia. He's still there. He hasn't gone to the Buffalo yet. But he's asked to come and talk to a group of boys about sportsmanship and about sports and being a good citizen.

And this is 1963. So this is, he probably came in, he said bad things about communism, you know, and he said, listen, don't let the Reds get you, you know, like that sort of thing. But I mean, he's a hero. He's just, not only did he grow up in Columbia, then he went to Ole Miss, which is all their favorite team, and then now he is a professional football player. And a spokesman for being a good product of it. This is exactly the guy all these kids want to be.

Yeah. Exactly. Especially in the 60s. He just embodies the South. It's perfect. Yeah. And he could say, I got a nice wife. I got this and that.

And he's successful at embodying the South. Hey, perfect. Everything's good. Yeah. He's, yeah. When he sings Sweet Home Alabama, he means it, God damn it. You believe it. Mississippi, we should say. So we have an in their own words about this is what he said to the kids.

This is his oratory skills or could use a little help. But this is what he says to the kids. He says in their own words, quote, I owe what success I have attained as an athlete to my faith in God. Oh, boy. If you stay with God, he will stay with you. Good night, everybody. I feel like that statement's going to bite him in the ass. That was his speech.

That was his speech. That's all he said? That's it. And he said, thanks a lot. That's how you be a good southerner? And he went and sat down. Be your faith in God. In other words, stay away from them commies.

That's another thing. I feel like they cut that part out of the thing. Then he whistled Dixie all the way back to his seat. That's it. Exactly what happened. They were like, wow, he's good. The kids were impressed, man. So February 28th, 1963, things are getting better and better for this guy.

Columbia, South Carolina has Jim Dunaway Day. What? He gets his own day. He hasn't even had a fucking down in the NFL. Not a down. Already got a day. He made it. He's an All-American.

I don't know. He didn't set any black people on fire in the riots. I would think that would get you less credit down there in the 60s, but I guess not. Jim Dunaway Day. The newspaper on February 13th of 63 said that plans were being perfected. The big parade, big parade quote is at 330. They got his own parade. This is like, I was going to say, this is like in a movie when someone comes back to

their old town, hometown, and they have a big parade. But this is what they're imitating in the movie. In the 60s, they actually did this. Unbelievable. It's kind of like what they did for Tommy Morrison. Remember that? He came back to Oklahoma to his hometown and then got AIDS and denied he had AIDS and died of AIDS, obviously.

Please listen to Tommy Morrison. At least complications of AIDS. At least, yeah, listen to the Tommy Morrison episode. The name of it is his mother had a murder charge. So that tells you exactly what we're dealing with right there with Tommy Morrison. Class, babe. All class, baby. So yeah, big parade.

That's amazing. me more class babe all class baby so yeah big parade big parade at 3 30 followed by a banquet for everybody in the town where buffalo bills coach lou saban will talk his new coach he hasn't even played with yet and uh they're gonna have university of mississippi coaches talk about him huge deal uh at the banquet uh old miss coach named a coach named frank bruiser canard oh boy that sounds like an old-timey football coach. That's a bad man. Yeah. I picture him.

You listen to that fucking guy. You listen to him. He's got a windbreaker on, short shorts, cigarette hanging out of his mouth, holding on to the tackling dummy. Gold-rimmed glasses. Yeah, holding on to the tackling dummy going, come on, you pussies, hit the goddamn thing.

Put your goddamn shoulder in a bunch of little girls. What do you want, your skirts? Nice tackle. Let me go get your skirt. That What do you want, your skirts? Nice tackle. Let me go get your skirt. That's what he says and he abuses the kids. That's Bruiser. Bruiser Canard.

I'm Bruiser Canard. I fought in a ring for 20 years. Frank? Frank Bruiser Canard. You call me Frank, I'll bust your ass. Bruiser right here.

Hit the fucking dummy. Yeah, he hits up. Which one's the dummy dummy? Which one? You are the dummy. Which one? Which one needs to get hit? You are this. Let me tell you. So Canard gets up which one's the dummy dummy which one's you with a dummy which one which one needs to get hit you with this let me tell you uh so canard gets up in front of everybody bruiser

excuse me sorry mr bruiser and says quote jim dunaway is the cleanest cut kid i know that's his whole speech that's his speech jim dunaway not a not big speakers down there jim dunaway is the cleanest cut kid I know. That's it. Don't talk any shit about the kid. He's a good kid. Cleanest cut, and he's got a fucking beard. Nice beard.

And he gets up. Dunaway gets up and just says, you know, he had like a two- Go with Jesus. That's what he said. He was just like, thank you. I love Columbia. And then he was trying not to cry and going off the stage. And it's a big deal for him here.

So 1963, he's been honored. He's had parades. He's talked to the kids. Everything's going fantastically. 1963, he goes to play for the Buffalo Bills. First four games, he plays in all of them but doesn't start. By the fifth game, he is a starter at defensive tackle. They put him right in the lineup because he's enormous.

Physically, he can hang, and he must have been a pretty good player, obviously. All-American, all that sort of thing. The Bills finished that year 7-6-1, which is really good for the Bills, actually, because they were not great before that. They lose to Boston, the Boston Patriots, in the first round of the playoffs. So, you know, that's

a good rookie year. You come in, you have a winning record. You're over.500. You went to the playoffs. You're starting the last 10 games of the season. Like, that has to feel like, all right, yeah, they're going to have more parades. I'm going to have fucking banquet dinners left and right here. This is going down. I got my own fucking day. Yeah, I got a day.

Who else has a day? The Irish. You have to be an entire group to get your own fucking day. Yeah, a whole religion. And it's one dude. It's one dude. There's no Jim Dunaways. There's only one.

One. It's big and day. Cleanest cut kid I know, goddammit. The bruiser told us. I want my own day. This is bullshit. I'll take my own day. Any day of the week, goddammit. The 1964 season comes around. Jim starts all 14 games.

Back then, the NFL season was 14 games instead of 16. He starts all 14 games and is a bad man. He's from everything that said. He's terrific. The Bills linebacker coach back then, Harry Jacobs, said, quote, Jimmy was a really strong guy. He was a big guy, bigger than Tom.

Tom was Tom Sestak, who was another defensive tackle who was known as a huge guy. He was a solid mass in the middle. Back then, you get a big old defensive lineman. Running back goes by. He latches onto him and falls on him. That's the game. He was a mass in the middle. He was a mass in the middle. That was his description.

A solid mass in the middle with its own day. You've got to go around him. He's a planet. And a great public speaker, we might add. Just a terrific public speaker. Top notch. So 1965 season comes around. This is great.

Now, by the way, so he's doing very well. Buffalo ends up going 12-2. 12-2 with him in there. Have they done that since? With Jack Kemp starting. And they end up, Buffalo, this is going to hurt you guys. Bill's fans, it's going to hurt your ears. Buffalo wins the championship that year.

They won the championship. Doesn't that sting a little bit? Especially if you weren't born yet. They win the AFL championship. They beat San Diego 20-7 in the championship game. Not even close. Not a losing effort at the end. That's the first time Bills fans were happy at the end of a season right there.

And one of the last. After a championship game. And one of the last, except for the 1965 season where Buffalo goes 10-3-1. They win the NFL championship again that year. They beat San Diego 23-0 in the title game. Fuck. And that's not even as impressive as it really is. I'll get into the detail here.

Jim has voted second team all NFL that year, too, in his third year in the league. Not too shabby right there. Dunaway, too, from what I understand, he had a big hand in the whole thing, in the defense. He was the anchor of the defensive line. Him and Sestak were terrific. defensive line, him and Sestak were terrific. They were so dominant that the Chargers in this game never got past the Bills 24-yard line. Wow.

They never got in the red zone of the Bills, ever. Wow. San Diego, they had one second-quarter drive where they went from their own 11 to the Buffalo 28, and they tried to kick a field goal, but Dunaway blocked it. Wow. So that's how dominant they were. A legit big hand in it. Look at that. I will tackle you. You kick a field goal. I will getunaway blocked it. Wow. So that's how dominant they were. A legit big hand in it. I will tackle you. You kick a field goal. I will get up and block

it. You are not getting shit on us this game. It's over. That's awesome and impressive. Their coach that year, Lou Saban, is coach of the year. He's an AFL All-Star that year. Is that Nick's dad? No, it's not. I'm like, is that Nick's dad? It's been

said that they're distant third cousins or some shit, but no one knows if that's true. Who gives a fuck? It doesn't fucking matter. Right away, I was like, that's got to be Nick Saban's dad, not Nick Saban's dad. Yeah. So he's coach of the year there. Jim's an AFL all-star, which is like an all-pro. Now you're on like the pro bowl team.

And he's second team all NFL. Can you get any better than that? It's hard to be a bigger star in the NFL. You can't. No, you have a, well, he's in the AFL, but still. I'm in the AFL. He's got a ring. He's got a ring. He's got all this shit. Things are going fantastically for him. Nothing could be better.

I mean, this is almost grace. This is that good. During the 64, 65 seasons, this is how good their defense was with him in the middle. They set a record by holding opposing runners without a touchdown for 17 consecutive games. Wow. Not quarters. That's what they do now.

Quarters. Games. Fucking games. No rushing touchdowns for 17 games. That's insane. I mean, it's probably two seasons combined. Still, 17 games. That's over an entire season. That's more than a season. That's a season and the playoffs. That's crazy. And winning the championship with never letting anybody win.

Well, no rushing touchdowns. So, I mean, there had to be goal line stands where the team was on the one-yard line. They never got in. That's impressive to me. They had to throw it in if they were going to get in. Yeah, they're not running over this line. So now June 8, 1966, the AFL and the NFL announced that they're merging. This is a big deal because this is where we get all those teams I just described.

Everybody goes into the NFL. They all go into the NFL. Basically, they're laying the groundwork for the combined league, which keeps the NFL name, obviously, because it's insanely popular. But it's announced on June 8, 1966, the merger. Under the agreement, the leagues will maintain separate regular season schedules for the next four years and then officially merge in 1970 to become one league with two conferences, AFC, NFC. And but the next four years, they're going to be playing Super Bowls against each other. Not known as Super Bowls back then, just known as the championship game. The big game.

The big game between the AFL and NFL. Fucking stupid. So this is pretty interesting here. 1966 season, we come to this. This is the first year where they're going to play each other in the big game at the end here. He has a touchdown. Jim has a touchdown on a fumble recovery. Really? Stats are

spotty back then. I know he had a touchdown this year and that was his only career touchdown. But once in a while, like some years you have stats for guys and some years you don't. It's very odd. Like the guy that keeps stats got sick and didn't show up. Yeah, like somebody just lost, like, yeah, the paper got burned up in a fire

and somebody shed or some shit like that, you know. This year, Jim has voted first team All-NFL by the AP, and this is All-NFL. This counts for NFL teams, too. This isn't just AFL. Yeah, and he's on the AFL All-Star team, which is the pro-ball team here. And this is where America gets

their big head when they go, I'm the best in the country. I'm the best in the world. Well, nobody else fucking plays this sport, dickhead. No one else is playing it. That's why. No one else plays. It's still the best in the country. Knock it off. Don't worry about it. And probably the best in the world because no one else is playing. So, that happens. Nobody else is trying. That's the other thing. Yeah, no one else is even

trying. This is competing against you, you fucking dick. If you're the guy who's saying, I eat the most chicken livers, no one else is trying. That's the other thing. Yeah, no one else is even trying. Who else is competing against you, you fucking dick? If you're the guy who's saying, I eat the most chicken livers, no one else is trying to eat that many chicken livers. Somebody else probably could. They could. They just don't. They choose not to, really. So in this season here, the Bills are very good.

They go 9-4-1. They go all the way to the AFL championship game again this year. How about that? But they lose to the Chiefs 31-7. And the Chiefs, as we know, would go on to lose to the Packers in Super Bowl I. So if they would have won that game, Super Bowl I would have been Buffalo and the Packers. Buffalo, wow. Would have been Buffalo and the Packers, and Jim Dunaway would have been Super Bowl I.

How about that? Which is crazy. 67 season, Jim's got an interception that year. He gets two fumble recoveries. He's on the AFL All-Star team again. The Bills start to fall apart. They go 4-10 that year. Not great at all.

Start to kind of go by the wayside. People figure out they can pass on them if they don't run. Tons of injuries, too. Kemp is hurt. Guys were hurt, knocked all around. The 1968 season, Jim gets two more fumble recoveries. This guy's the king of fumble recoveries. IFL All-Star team again.

This year, this is insane before we get to the Bills going 1-2. The Bills go 1-12-1 this year, which is terrible. Holy shit. And they had ominous signs before the season even started. They had an offensive lineman who was a rookie that year named Bob Kalsu. Yeah. He quit the team prior to his rookie season to volunteer to return to go to Vietnam. He'd rather be in Vietnam than play for the fucking Buffalo Bills.

Take that, Buffalo. You're like, Buffalo? Nah, Vietnam. I'd rather go take my chances over there. It's warmer. It's warmer over there. It's warmer. It's warmer over there. It's fine. At least there's prostitutes that love you long time.

Yes, exactly. According to Full Metal Jacket. That's what they told me. That's what Kubrick says, and I'll take his word for it. So Calso ends up being killed in action in 1970. Wow. So this guy never came back. He left, never came back.

He's cited as the first professional football player to die in a war during their playing career. My God. So, yeah, that's insane. It's not true, though, because a couple other guys did it, too. A guy named Young Busse and Jack Loomis were playing age when they left to serve in World War II and killed in action. But they were like 38 years old. This is a rookie who left. This is a 21-year-old kid.

He's like, fuck the NFL. This is a rookie who left. This is a 21-year-old kid. He's like, fuck the NFL. This is ridiculous. Really interesting. That year, Jack Kemp was hurt all the time. They were so bad at quarterback with Kemp being hurt. They didn't know what else to do. They converted a wide receiver named Ed Rutkowski to quarterback. That always works out, Cordell Stewart.

Yeah, it doesn't work. They didn't know what else to do. They had another guy named Kay Stevenson. Does that sound like an NFL quarterback to you? And Dan Darrah, who also wasn't great. The result was terrible. The Bills, again, were last. They were awful.

They won 12-1. But what they do get out of that is the No. 1 draft pick the next season. All right. And that scores them, guess who, Jimmy? Jim Kelly? OJ. Oh, is that Jimmy? Jim Kelly? OJ. Oh, is that right? That is OJ Simpson. How about that?

It's very ironic that these two play on the same team together. How about that? You'll know exactly why it's very, very coincidental that they play on the same team. So weird. It's so weird. I can't tell you how weird it is that these two should have played on the same team together. I mean, they're So weird. Really? Like, I can't tell you how weird it is. There's no other teams that have this kind of coincidence. That these two should have played on the same team together.

I mean, they're so similar. It's insane. Besides their looks and backgrounds and everything else, their futures. And their position. Extremely similar. Just so perfectly similar here. They bill select him. First overall draft pick.

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or on Apple Podcasts. 1970 season, three fumble recoveries for Jim. So Jim is a fumble recovering bastard. And he's making it bigger he will recover your fumbles bills go three and ten that year really three and ten by the way since he's been and uh since he's been inserted into the starting lineup and he's fifth game of his pro career he has not missed a start really he has started everything every single one through the 1970 season here yeah so he is a reliable yeah solid

mass in the middle his whole life he's just the shit he's just the shit he's great everything's going well for him uh 71 season jim misses four starts i think he had a slight injuries here but he plays in all the games plays in 14 anyway pills go wow bills go 1-13 this year. Holy shit, what a mess that is, 71. So now it's getting miserable in Buffalo. Now it's 1-13. He's getting a little older. He's getting a little more banged up. Terrible.

But in Buffalo, though, in 126 games with the Bills, which is tied for the third most in franchise history for a defensive tackle, he holds the franchise record for most career fumble recoveries. Still? Still. Wow. Still has it, which every year he's got three. I don't know when fumble recovers fumbles like that.

That's great. So he had a knack for that, apparently. It's very odd here. You just knew how that weird ball bounced. Yeah, it's weird. He knew how it bounced. So he sat in a room and just dropped it. Yeah, or he's so huge he just fell on it and couldn't get out.

That's probably it. Just couldn't get out from under him. Plus, I'm sure back then, too, the pile was— now it's like they do replay to see who had the ball before the pile piled up. Back then, it was just once we pull everyone off, who's got it? And he's the biggest, toughest guy. I feel like he was ripping that shit out of people's hands. Poking eyes, spitting in people's faces.

He's doing all that shit. I could totally see this guy doing it. And then going, put your faith in God, everybody. First of all, let me tell you about the Lord. That's how he got a day, by doing that shit. Right in your face. Let me tell you about the Lord. Now, listen.

Yes, I just rabbit punched you in the nutsack to get the ball out of your hands. Don't worry about that. Let's talk about Jesus. Hilarious. So, before the 72 season, Jim is traded away. Really? Buffalo trades him away. They figure he's some sort of commodity. They were trying to shore up their lineup here. They trade

him to the Miami Dolphins. This guy has a really blessed life in a lot of ways here. Miami that year in 1972 would be the last NFL team to go undefeated. So he plunks down from a 1-13 team to an undefeated team. And he wound up on that team.

On an undefeated team. He wound up on the team. Wow. Worst to the best. Unbelievable. Yeah, they go 14-0 regular season, 17-0 total. Crazy thing here. Nick Bonacotti, that weird fuck.

Yeah, yeah. He's such a creepy face. Inside the NFL all those years. He's so ugly. Don Shula. Him and Lynn Dawson together. Yeah, they had all that. Larry Zonka's on that team.

Mercury Morris. Yeah. This is a bad Paul Warfield. This is a bad-ass team right here. Mercury Morris is maybe the coolest name ever for a football player. That's a cool fucking name. Especially a fast running back like Mercury. Yeah.

Like he's bouncing all over the place. That's awesome. How did a Mercury car not pick him up back then and sign him to name a car after him? They would have sold so many fucking cars. Yeah, he was black though, I feel like, Jimmy. That's a good point. That's a problem. They made a big deal that they used OJ as a national spokesman for something like cars

rather than malt liquor or something, like Billy Dee Williams. They made a big deal. Like, wow, that's a real step up for society. That's clever, you guys. How'd you figure that out? His name is Mercury. He's fast. Actually, OJ did commercials in USC, or after USC, he did commercials, too.

Yeah, he did. He did Hertz Rent-A-Car. Yeah, later, later. But he did, like, local car commercials and shit like that. He probably did some fucking, what are the- Isotoner. Yes, he did those, too. Later on, I think he did that.

No, that was Dan Marino. He might have done it, too. I'm not sure. Marino did it. There was a few guys that did them. Yeah, a few guys that did it. That was one of those NFL teams. Anybody that wants to keep their fucking hands warm.

Oh, Jesus Christ, yeah. So he's pumped after being on Buffalo for all these years. He comes out and starts talking shit. That was a terrible thing to reference, the gloves. He didn't do that. I'm thinking of his trial. You're thinking, yes, you are thinking, yeah. You're thinking of his trial.

I just saw him with gloves on. I was like, he totally did it. No, I didn't. I saw him with gloves half on. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm an asshole. So I'm hanging off. Holy shit, that's terrible.

That's not a commercial, Jimmy. The O.J. Simpson trial, I believe, is where he saw that. I was thinking of Court TV's documentary on that. Which is really fine and perfect, honestly. He probably should do commercials for gloves now. Yeah, might as well. Yeah, he would be good for that. Gloves or something, some sort of blood-proofing.

Fucking Cuisinart knives, fucking anything. Blood-proofing, blood-proof car paint. I'm not sure, something. God, I'm a dickhead. That's so funny. So Jim starts talking shit about Buffalo right away. Right away, yeah. He says he never got proper coaching in Buffalo.

The guy won coach of the year twice because they won, but he said nobody ever told him shit. They're in the same division, too. Miami, yeah. And he said he knew no technique whatsoever. They were just told to use brute strength, he said, in Buffalo and just throw people around. Fucking 70s.

He said Don Shula, much different. Don Shula was teaching technique. He was teaching. He had just different ways. He had a modern coaching style. He wasn't just like, get in there and knock that guy down like Bruiser. He was like, I got some theories and strategy. Yeah, he had some, if we go here, we can drive

them here. And he was a modern day coach back then. He really was. So he comes in. It's a tough thing. He's injured all year long. Really? All year long he's hurt. After the season he ends up having surgery, but we have an in their own words about his injuries here

in Miami in 72 in their own words quote I ruptured a disc in my lower back and had to have it removed it got so bad I couldn't pick up my right leg at all I tried to shrug it off and keep playing but it was no use it's hard to realize you're hurt

when you've never been hurt before. I hope I can make it through this season healthy and do a good job. I was disappointed I didn't make it through last year. So they took it out. What the fuck did they put in there? I don't know. Because you've got to have a disc. You've got to keep the fucking nerves separate.

I don't know. A fucking Nilla wafer? I have no idea. Who are they sticking there? Cadaver disc or something? Shit. You don't know. It's hard to realize you're hurt when you've never been hurt before.

Yeah. No, it's not. I don't know. It's called pain, dickhead. That shit hurts. Yeah, I think he's just like, well, it's just pain. Yeah, but he's always probably in pain. Yeah, hurt to where you can't play.

Right. It's like, huh? What? What are you talking about? Can't lift your leg. I know that feeling. Having a disc ruptured, it is so brutal. And your lower back, too.

It hurts so bad. I have one in my neck. It is so brutal. And your lower back, too. It hurts so bad. I have one in my neck. It is miserable. It's nasty. Having it in your lower back when it's all that lower body extremity stuff, I can't imagine. And he didn't have surgery until after the season. Holy shit. He played all.

That's what he said. I tried to just shrug it off and keep playing. He just said, it'll be all right. He can't lift my leg. He's got to bend down. Yeah. Can't lift my leg, but let me try to tackle OJ as he runs by. That's insanity.

It's wild. So it makes sense. So he fought through it, had surgery after the season. After the 72 season, he said he wants to play again. He said his back is feeling better after surgery. He's ready to come in and do something in 73. He comes in with Miami in 73 in preseason. And apparently what they would do back then is they'd do a 12-minute run. Not a mile run, a 12-minute

run around the track. So if you run a 7-minute mile or 6-minute mile, you're running two. Yeah, so basically he's, you know, he's trying to see, they're just testing everybody. I think they're also, too, they're seeing who's got cardio, who's been smoking two packs a day in the offseason.

It's the 70s. These guys didn't have the same training routines. Who ate cake and shit. Yeah. At the camp, he's the slowest on the team. Of course. He was also the slowest on the team in 72 because he's a gigantic guy. 6'5", 250, 280. He's in his 30s now, too, so he's not going to.

He's going to lose a step. He's going to lose a little step here. A teammate asked him how he did in the 12-minute run, and he said, a snail's pace. Told him that he did five laps at a quarter, so he did a mile and a quarter in 12 minutes. That was what he said. He was like, sorry. I could do that in a wheelchair, I think.

Yeah, that's what he said. Like, it didn't even come close. That's depressing. It's so funny. But same as last year. So, I mean, at that point, doesn't make the team, though. They cut him. What?

NFL career is over for Jim. What? NFL career is over. Butim what nfl career is over but don't worry yeah he finds another great league to hook on to this is hilarious this is the world football league oh no in 74 they came in this was the ragtaggist shit pile of a league ever okay they played in 74 and 75 uh they said they wanted to bring American football to a worldwide stage. They wanted to put teams in Asia and Europe

and all this shit they said. Barcelona and shit like that. But the farthest they got was Hawaii. They put a team in Honolulu. That's not the world, fuckers. No, no. They were a state at that point. They put the Honolulu Hawaiians in Hawaii.

Oh, so clever, too. That was it. That's all they had? That's it. That's all they had? That's it. That's all they had. That's all they had. They're Honolulu Hawaiians. That's so good. Here are franchises that they had. The Birmingham Americans. They turned into the

Birmingham Vulcans. The Chicago Fire. I like the Chicago. Great Chicago Fire. I guess Chicago Wins. They were the next year. They just went the opposite way. What blows out fire? Fire, wind, fire. Chicago Fire, I guess. Chicago Winds, they were the next year. They just went the opposite way. What blows out fire? Fire, wind, fine. Chicago Fire Hoses. We're the Chicago Firemen.

We're the Chicago... It's all right. Fucking stupid. We're the Chicago Water Sprinklers. The Detroit Wheels, which are the best story. We'll get into them. They're hilarious. Florida Blazers, San Antonio Wings, the Hawaiians.

They weren't even the Honolulu Hawaiians. They were just the Hawaiians. They weren't even like a city and a team. They're hilarious. Florida Blazers, San Antonio Wings, the Hawaiians. They weren't even the Honolulu Hawaiians. They were just the Hawaiians. They weren't even like a city and a team. Houston Texans, who turned into the Shreveport Steamer, which is amazing. That's hilarious. Jacksonville Sharks, Jacksonville Express, Memphis Southmen, Memphis

Grizzlies, like the basketball team. New York Stars, Charlotte Stars, Charlotte Hornets. They went to all those in the three years, like the basketball team. New York Stars, Charlotte Stars, Charlotte Hornets. They went to all those in the three years, like the basketball team. Philadelphia Bell, the Portland Storm, the Portland Thunder, and the Southern California Sun. Those are the teams. Jim signs with the Jacksonville Sharks in 74. They started. And that's the World Football League.

And it's just America all night. Jacksonville. Nothing is international about Jacksonville. Nothing is international about Jacksonville. Nothing screams culture like Jacksonville. If they have an international airport, they should change the fucking name of it. Nothing is international about Jacksonville whatsoever, man.

It's as local as you get. It should be called the... International airport. It should be called... I don't give a fuck where you're flying from here. We will not call this internet. I don't give a fuck if you're going to China. It's Jacksonville Continental Airport, period.

Shut the fuck up and get back into the... And we're only calling it continental because the continental breakfast is a joke, too. That's it. Right there. Oh, man. The World Football League, baby. Nothing but class. Fucking assholes.

Unbelievable. So their league, their season starts July 10th in 74, and it started July 26th in 75, which is kind of contending with the Canadian Football League, too. Same type of schedule because of the cold winters. Weeknight football they did. NFL games had Sundays and then they had Monday nights from 1970 on. The World Football League had Wednesday night football games and a Thursday night national TV game.

It's weird. They later got rid of the Wednesday and they went to Thursday night football, that sort of thing. Now, another thing they had that was, this is the funniest thing in this whole shit. Okay. Instead of using a 10-yard chain, in football you see the guys come out with the- Yeah, move the sticks. Yeah, they move the sticks.

Anybody who doesn't know, you'd see the big orange thing. They come out with the sticks and they measure and it's, you know, breath holds is, you know, three inches. Little fingers up. Right. Yeah, three inches. Well, instead of using a 10-yard chain, they used a stick called the dick rod. They used a stick called the dick rod.

I don't even know what to fucking say. That's awesome. About the dick yard. Dick rod. Dick rod. I'm sorry. Dick rod. That's basically, they took two slang words for your dick and chammed them

together and the the well the the inventor of it is named dick rod that's why his last name is dick rod that is terrible that is so bad it's a single 90 inch long stick and that's what it is basically it pivots from side to side you can swing it around do all that shit but uh they they that's what they did it's a big 90 inches 90 inch dick rod it's what they did. It's a big stick called a dick rod. 90-inch dick rod. It's a big dick rod. It's a big dick rod. It's a big dick rod, but that's a first down? The stick swung

down to ground level when a first down was being set and a marker that slid along the shaft. Along the shaft of the dick rod? You can't say that. This isn't a rule book somewhere. This is official text the this is where i got this shit from rule book uh along the shaft was fixed in place to line up with the nearest gridiron line uh it doesn't fucking matter because that's hilarious the major yard lines were

spaced every five yards when that was set the stick was swung back to the upright position uh when the measurement was needed by the officials the dick rod was brought out to the upright position. When the measurement was needed by the officials, the dick rod was brought out to the ball position. No, no, this doesn't say that. Okay. Okay. This is official right here. This is from the rule book. Unbelievable we were such children.

I love this. No, this next... This is ridiculous. This next sentence I'm about to read you has to be on purpose. There's no way a serious person wrote this shit. I swear to God. They wrote this and then they said we're going to have to teach officials this.

How fucking great is this? Okay. Here we go. Okay. Jesus Christ. When a measurement was needed by the officials, the dick rod was brought out to the ball position. The shaft swung down the ground level the marker lined up with the nearest it doesn't even matter unbelievable they said this

wow and this was take that rule seriously dick rods brought out to the ball position and you swing the shaft down that's serious that was That was, there was guys like, look, guys, they argued about that. People said, no, you don't bring the dick rod to the ball position. What do we do with the shaft? You got to swing the shaft. You got to swing the shaft. Wow. This World Football League at first looked like a big success because they were saying

that they were averaging just under 43,000 a game, which is really, that's great. That's more than the better success than the AFL had. But later on, it was proved that their box office numbers were completely full of shit. Two of the teams were inflating them, completely inflating their gates. The Jacksonville Sharks, who our friend Jim Dunaway played for here,

they said that out of the 105,892 fans who attended their first two games, probably something like 44,000 got in for free. Oh, so they're papering the shit out of it. They're just papering the shit. It's like a comedy club that's like, yeah, yeah, no, this guy from this NBC sitcom you've never heard of, he's packing the place. Right.

Packing it. They can't wait to come see him even though they've never heard of him. He's got an email list and he's blasting it out for free tickets. Yeah. The Philadelphia Bell, whose first two home games they had 120,000, 253 fans, admitted that they gave away 100,198 tickets. 100,000 tickets. So they gave away over 80% of the tickets of people who came there. Yeah, it's just that ended up screwing up the league's credibility because they were like, this is ridiculous.

There was franchises messed up within six games of the season. Teams didn't have basic team expenses. For instance, the Portland Storm, their players were being fed by local fans who had sympathy for them. Literally, they were going to people's houses

to feed them dinner. Imagine Tom Brady knocks on some dick from Boston's door and is like, listen, we're broke. They get some pot roast or anything. You got like something cooking. Wow. Tom Brady's here.

It's wicked cool. Come in. Unbelievable, man. So another team, the Hornets, who while they were in New York, they were the stars in New York, their uniforms were impounded because they didn't pay a laundry bill. They literally had to lean on their fucking clothes. Yeah, the Birmingham Americans were not paid for the last two months of the season. Holy shit.

The Florida Blazers went three months without pay and survived on McDonald's meal vouchers. Oh, gross. That's all they had. And the Sharks were not paid for their last six games. So Jim only made money for half the season here. Only two of the teams could actually meet their payroll. The best, the Detroit Wheels. This is my favorite one here.

The Detroit Wheels, they wanted to move. The team had 33 owners. What? They were paying for team expenses out of pocket as they came. They were like, what do we need? We need five grand for the planer. I will here put it on my American Express card. They didn't have anything in place, like a real professional organization.

Like a business? Yeah. They said it was like a club football team playing at a professional level. The team was left several occasions left without uniforms when they didn't pay the cleaning bill, forcing them to cancel practices. Several hotels and airlines went unpaid, and the wheels were unable to fly to games or get a

place to stay without paying in advance because their money was no good. One player was forced to pay a hospital bill for his son out of pocket because the team's insurance was useless. Holy shit. They had health insurance, and it was worthless. So he had to go to the hospital, take his son, and he had to pay out of pocket because the team's insurance was useless. Holy shit. They gave, they had health insurance and it didn't, it was worthless. So he had to go to the hospital, take his son, he had to pay out of pocket because his insurance

wasn't good. I mean, a lot of Americans can... Back then, I don't have any, but back then, that was not a thing. There's a lot of people that are about to feel that same pain pretty soon. Yeah, no shit, like me right now. Lineup fuckers. So, the coaches were unable to film games because they didn't have cameras.

The team at one point, the Philadelphia team, played at one point they ran out of tape for the players' ankles. Oh, my God. That's how bad it was. They didn't have tape. Can't even tape their ankles. Yeah. So this team, another thing that happened funny, John Matuszak, you know who that is? The guy that was as big as him over in Buffalo, right?

Well, no. John Matuszak is... Oh, Tom was the other guy. Yeah, yeah. Tom Stastak. This is John Matuszak, who is sloth and goonies. Oh, Jesus. That guy.

Yeah, this is sloth. This is baby Ruth. That's this guy. I thought that was what a real guy looked like. That's John Matuszak with some makeup. This guy tried to go play for the Houston Texans while he was under contract for the Houston Oilers. And while he was on the field, attorneys for the Oilers sent federal marshals to the stadium. He sacks a quarterback named Tom Sherman, Matuszak does, and he's pulled off the field by the coaches. As he's pulled off the field, he served with a restraining order saying that he could not play another down for the Texans.

So as he's sitting on the bench with the cameras on him, he's waving the document around going, that's why I'm not in. I can't play. They won't let me play. So he wasn't allowed to do that. And they said that he wasn't allowed, a federal judge said he wasn't allowed to play for the Texans and he couldn't play for them until after the 78 season, which doesn't matter because the league folds in 75.

75, Jackson. Leading him to do shit like that? Leading him to do. That's an ass pic of John Matuszak in a teddy bear, and I've never been more scared. What in the? That is frightening. I feel like he did some Playgirl or something, and that is frightening.

Holy shit. The sloth role is not the worst he's ever looked. No. That is awful. This World Bowl, by the way. That's bad. He had some money problems, I think. I think probably.

Yeah. This World Football League, they tried to have the World Bowl. Yeah. You know, their Super Bowl here. And it looked like it wasn't going to take place because one of the teams owed $237,000 in federal back taxes. So the IRS agreed to let them play the game in return for a cut of the game. So literally they were like partners with the IRS for this championship game. That's crazy.

Yeah, it's wild. Both teams were owed money, and the teams only agreed to play if their owners promised to get them rings if they won. Wow. Ridiculous. So Jim plays for Jacksonville Express in 75 because the other team died. The whole thing is constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul. It is. The whole goddamn every day.

It's a big scheme here. That year, actually, Larry Zonka, Jim Kick, and Paul Warfield came from the Dolphins into that league. Not on his team, but into that league. Daryl LaMonica came, who's the old Raiders quarterback there, the Mad Bomber. So, yeah, there you go. Also, too, they tried to get Joe Namath. The Chicago Wins really tried to get Joe Namath, who actually considered it. They even changed their uniforms to look more like the Jets uniforms to get Joe Namath to come there.

He might be more comfortable with a semblance of home. Let's make the uniforms the same. Let's just make them green. That's ridiculous. They rejected him. He ended up going and not playing with them. League folds after 75. Jim's all, but now what do you do?

Jesus Christ. Now you're out. You're out of the league. You're in your 30s. What do you do? What would you do? You used to be everything. Yeah, what would you do?

Commit crimes. Commit crimes. Well, he decides to buy a cattle ranch and produce beef. That's his idea. Not the best idea. In Mississippi. He also says he's going to produce dairy. Yeah.

Becomes a full-blown ranch farm guy. He put everything in. All in. Oh, boy. This is his entire life. I saw in the paper, dude, this was so, God, this was so hard to research this episode. paper that dude this was so god this was so hard to research this episode december 14th 1978 i found in the newspaper in mississippi a post there and like the legal notices section where he posts that all of his all lands owned by james k dunaway are now off limits to fishing hunting and trespassing

oh my god so yeah i found that he just posted that he just just telling everybody stay the fuck away stop fishing in my shit. I got fish to raise? Why does he give a shit about the fish? No fishing, no trees. He doesn't want people on his property, I think. He probably had a lot of people. And if you posted the sign and you posted in the paper, now it's legal and you know.

Everybody knows. Because otherwise, you might not see one sign tacked to a tree. Well, read the paper for me. Now it's in the paper, God damn it. You don't do that shit. Now, June 28th, 1984. So he's been ranching for years now. He's been ranching for eight years.

There's an article all about Jim's ranching. Just this was a woof boy. The government at this point is paying dairy farmers not to produce milk because of an abundance of milk at the time. The prices were going to the shitter. So they were paying them not to do this. And this is an article about how Jim has some time off finally. He played football. He jumped right into dairy.

Not paying on tits anymore. He's got so much time. He's got to take a break. And we have an in their own words about this. Keep in mind, national champion, pro champion, NFL, Super Bowl, everything this guy is. He says in their own words, quote, I've missed two milkings in the past eight years. Once it was to see my son play in the high school all-star football game,

and the other was when Ole Miss played Alabama a few years ago. That was the 20th anniversary of our graduating class. The management and stress on dairymen is a lot more than I thought. There's the milking, and you have to keep something green growing so they'll keep producing milk, and the weather's a gamble to begin with. I'd be better off in Vegas. Jesus. Which made me think of over the top, you ain't got a prayer in Vegas, obviously. I'm like, yeah, you ain't got a prayer here or in Vegas, Dunaway. I'll rip your shitting arm off, mister.

So anyway, yeah, he says when he first got into the beef, the beef was the moneymaker. How hilarious also, too, that he played on a team with a guy that went and then he went to prison because he went to Vegas. That's true. That is true. Maybe you're not better off in Vegas. Way more in common than that. Trust me. Way more in common.

Way more in common than that. Trust me. Way more in common. He says that the beef got expensive and he had to, you know, he had to, rather than the cattle paying the bills, he was paying the cattle's bills. Okay. Is what he said. He said dairy feed went from $135 a ton up to $210 a ton in just a couple years. That's a lot of fucking food.

That's a shit load. Jesus. Milk, do you know, this is interesting here, milk prices didn't go up as much though. And he's a shitload. Jesus. Milk. Do you know what? This is interesting here. Milk prices didn't go up as much, though, and he's a dairy farmer. They went from $10 per hundredweight. What the fuck is that, by the way? I don't know shit like that. Went from $10. If you're selling milk by the hundredweight, not even the measurable.

Like, I don't even know what that is. How much is that in volume? That's not a consumer amount right there. Like, you can't buy a hundredweight. I don't buy gallons, sir. How many gallons is that? You can't buy a hundred weight at the grocery store. It's a hundred gallons. Unhomogenized and un, yeah, that's straight out of the cow. Right. I don't know. Whatever a hundred weight is. That sounds like the measurement of oil though. That's it. Then it only went up to $12 per hundred weight in the last, in the last eight years, but feed went up from one 35 a ton to two 10 a ton. So as you can see, this is a tough deal.

So he's paying a lot more and making the same amount of money. Yeah. All in all, business is sucking, and the government check he's getting, though, for now the government's paying people not to produce. So he said he's decided to scale back his dairy business, kick it a little bit. He said he'll still do it. He likes making his own decisions. He says he also has a boss back at the house, though.

You know, his wife, Nana, obviously. That's his boss back at the house, though. You know, his wife, Nana, obviously. That's his boss back at the house there. He's trying to be cutesy. He hired a man named Hayes. Doesn't even have a first name. He's a southern milker. Doesn't even have a first name. He's a southern milker.

That's just Hayes. Don't worry about him. He'll die out there milking the cows, and we'll just put him right into the big trough. No one will ever notice. Right into the pigs. We'll throw him right into all that tonnage of food.

Just like in Deadwood. No problem. Mr. Woo. Watch Deadwood, Jimmy. So he said he hired Hayes to milk the cows but he can't help but look over his shoulder because that's his business. He's a cowman. Or dairyman, actually. Cattleman. Cattleman. He's a dairyman at this point.

That's how he describes himself, actually. So he's doing all of that. Marchman, actually. Cattleman. Cattleman. He's a dairyman at this point is how he describes himself, actually. So he's doing all of that. March 29th, 1991. He's been 15 years in the dairy business now. I mean, he's a damn dairy farmer. Yeah. He's rocking it. He's inducted into the Mississippi Sports Hall of Fame.

Oh. Along with Harris Stewart, Red Stroud, and Dizzy Dean, the Hall of Fame Cardinals pitcher from back in the day. And he shows up with cow shit all over him. Cow shit everywhere. 1990s, early 1990s here, 93, 92, 93, Jim begins having an affair on his wife. Uh-oh. So much for she's the boss.

Yeah, she's not the boss now. A woman named Linda Robin, he starts spending a bunch of cash on her, too. Like a dad of a dairy guy's. Hey, buddy. Yeah, this is a little crazy. Leads to March 1995. Jim moves out of the house with Nana. It's a wife of 34 years. He's had enough

of her shit. Yep, and he is open completely about that he is going. He's moving in with Linda. Oh, boy. Fuck yourself, lady. I'm going. I'm moving in with Linda. That's it. 95, he files for divorce. He's got kids? Oh, yeah, they have a couple kids. Yeah, boy. Fuck yourself, lady. I'm moving in with Linda. That's it. 95, he files for divorce. He's got kids? Oh, yeah, they have a couple kids. Of course they have a couple kids. Let's find out about those kids in a minute. They're going to come in big time.

He's going to wish he never had those kids soon. And we're going to be thankful that he did. Put it that way. 95, he files for divorce. He says that prior to the separation, they had worked diligently for accumulation of assets consisting of property, equipment, livestock, dairy farm, all this shit.

There's plenty of tits out there that she owns half of. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, she owns half of a lot of tits. Now, when he filed for divorce, he obtained a court order entitling him to sole operation of the dairy pending final resolution. This is just like a temporary thing here. Problem is, at about the same time he leaves the home here with Nana, he pretty much stops

taking care of any of the debts or any of the bills associated with the business. He just stops paying shit and just starts spending money on his girlfriend pretty much. He ends up filing another action for a divorce, a new action for divorce, which is

he's filing one with amended paperwork basically. They determined that his failure to keep up with the farm debts, keeping everything current, was in part due to his utilization of money to further his relationship with his new romantic partner. That's a judge saying that. Like we realize what you're doing here. So they do this. She files – Nana, Mrs. Dunaway files her own counter divorce lawsuit or whatever. At this point, Jim files for bankruptcy. So he's trying to fuck her good here.

He's hiding money. Yeah. She cites a bunch of reasons, including the ongoing affair that he moved out and all that sort of thing. The judge gives her a divorce, gives Nana a divorce on the grounds of his, they call it in court records, uncondoned adultery. Apparently if she said it was okay, it's not adultery. Uncondoned.

I told you not to do that. Damn it. Now it's just considered, what do they call that when they, I'm not going to remember the fucking words. When people get a divorce and they cite. Irreconcilable differences. Boom. Irreconcilable differences.

That's the word. And which basically means he wants to fuck people and I don't want him to fuck them. And we can't reconcile that difference. That's what it means. Somebody fucking somebody here. So what is, what did they call it? Uncondonable adultery? Uncondoned adultery.

In other words, she didn't say it was OK. Because if she said, hey, you can go bang who you want, that's fine, apparently, in the eyes of the court. That's the way I can tell the differences. I would say so. Yeah, that's definitely it. What they end up doing is the judge considers all the assets for equitable distribution. He wants to give everybody some. Also, too, he awards a lump sum and alimony to her, though.

This is the other problem here. What he does is he orders the sale of a parcel of real estate property that they had called the Canterbury House, is what they called it in the documents, in Marion County. He determined to have the chancellor determine this to have a gross value of $290,000, had $146,000 in debt. So they had the net value of $144,000. That's what we're doing here. That's how they're doing the math basically. $72,000 apiece.

Yes. And they said sell that, apply that toward other debts, blah, blah, blah, all this sort of thing. There's a lot of funky math and numbers here. This sort of thing. There's a lot of funky math and numbers here. Anyway, in the end, they award Jim the remaining land in the Marion County thing, the Marion County property, because they sold off a parcel of it. This was the land, fixtures that were actually used in the dairy operation. Yeah.

He gets all of that. Silo, all the machines that suck on the tits, all that stuff. Exactly, everything. So the judge determines the gross value of this property to be $550,000. Jeez, that's all it takes to have a dairy farm? That's it, apparently. Well, this is, yeah, it's still 1995, so it's not that long ago. It still seems fairly cheap. It still seems fairly cheap.

But then also, too, there's a bank loan of $45,000. He's supposed to assume responsibility of that. He receives all the farm equipment, livestock. They had a lot in California, $14,000 in stocks, which they also had $14,000 in debts. So that was a wash. Anyway, in the end, they had about a million dollars in shit is what they got that they needed to split up. They split it up to where she ends up getting the property, most of the property except for her little thing here, his little bit that they gave him with the dairy farm on it. They get rid of the marital assets. They give her about $7,500 in attorney's fees.

They give her money, $16,000 to pay back loan payments and repair things on the property that he was supposed to fix but didn't. Jim Dunaway here. He's ordered to pay Nana $1,800 a month in alimony, which is a decent amount, beginning on September 1st, 1997. And also he's supposed to pay her $10,000 to pay for attorney fees beyond that. And he must pay a lump sum of $115,553, which is the difference. It's not that bad for 35 years of marriage, whatever. So he's not happy with this, though. Really?

Clearly. He's pissed? He's pissed. You've been in 34 years with this woman. She got a bunch of the property. Just give her the shit. I completely agree. Or at minimal, buy it back from her.

You can keep all your shit. There you go. Otherwise, you can't just trade and have this girl and this new woman and then just stay and your shit. You don't get to do that. That's not how it works. You don't build a life for that long. You're going to feel some pain.

Right. Let's put it that way. It's going to hurt a smidge. You're going to feel a little bit of pain. That's just the way it works. You're going to feel a prick. I would say so. So 1998, in July, Jim is over at Nana's home, his old home.

She asks him to get his remaining clothes and personal items out of the house. He is overheard by another relative saying, quote, why should I take them all out? The house is going to be mine in 10 days anyway. I'll just have to move them back in. So I'm not taking shit out. She didn't know what that meant. That was a weird thing. This was in like mid-July.

They had no agreement that he was buying the house or any shit. No, they were like 10 days. That doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? It's a very odd thing. Yeah. So July 27th, 1998, which is in the neighborhood of 10 days to two weeks later. Yeah.

A judge, in order to garnish Jim's wages. Oh, shit. Is entered into the Marion County Circuit Court for back alimony and house payments, too. And this is in the amount of $2,250 a month they're going to garnish his check for. It's just going up a bit. So they're banging him. Because it's back pay, right? Yeah, they're banging him for over $25,000 a year on this now.

So it's because he owes some in house payments, back alimony. They're lumping it into this. So that's a good amount. Yeah. In this also, there is a ruling. This is July 27th. There's a ruling in the divorce expected very soon in everything. This was just a temporary thing for the $2,250. That day, though, the order to garnish the wages was filed and this was going down. That day, same day, Jim goes to see Nana at her home.

Uh-oh. We don't know what happened. We have no idea. We do know that he leaves, and later on that night, a relative comes over and finds Nana dead in her half-empty swimming pool. Oh, shit. She is dead, face down, blood is everywhere in her half-empty swimming pool. So she didn't just go for a dip. She didn't go swimming, no.

She didn't go for a dip and drown. It's a half-empty, pool. So she didn't just go for a dip. She didn't go swimming, no. She didn't go for a dip and drown. It's a half-empty, shitty swimming pool. Autopsy results showed that she died from drowning, but was definitely placed in the pool after multiple blunt force trauma to the back of the head, resulting in a skull fracture, bruises on her arms, and bruises on her body. So she clearly slipped and fell down those concrete steps into the pool. She clearly slipped, fell several times, just bounced her way down the pool. She got back up and- And then said, I can still swim. I can do it.

She's like, I got to get down these steps without falling. I'm going to do it over and over and over again. Yeah. The Marion County coroner- Maybe she was definitely skateboarding that pool. Definitely. That's possible. Yeah.

You know what? She was trying to drain it. She's like, I'll just ride the top for now. I saw Lords of Dogtown. That's right. I got to do this. I'm just going to do some grinds on the top, and then I'll dip in when it's all drained. All drowned.

All drowned. All drained. That was the right thing the first time. Marion County Coroner Norma Williams said the autopsy also revealed that she had an open fracture to her skull and was unconscious when she was placed in the water. Oh, my God. So her head is split open, her skull is split open, and she's unconsciously placed in the water. So the way they word it is literally when her assailant placed her in the water.

Yeah. There's no way this is an accident. This is not an accident. Absolutely not. Gee, her ex-husband was there that day, the same day she filed a garnishment to get $2,250 a month from him after all this stuff. Wonder who's the suspect? Can't imagine. I wonder who a suspect would be if you and another guy were murdered in front of your Brentwood apartment

because in a house the guy was paying for in a car that he was paying for that you're driving and all that. I wonder who you would suspect at that point. Who, Colombian drug dealers maybe? This guy can't claim Colombian drug dealers with Nana. I don't think. Some 56-year-old lady. Did she have a handsome house guest that knows how to describe what bonk sounds like? I don't think so.

No Kato Kaelin just going, I don't know nothing, man. It sounded like a bonk. It was like a bump on the wall. My picture moved on the wall. So funny. Yeah. Jim is arrested the next day shocker there uh marion county justice court sharon hartfield sets dunaway's bond at half a million dollars during

his initial appearance wednesday night he's huge i don't know where he's going to get away from you can see him from biggin is not going anywhere biggin ain't going nowhere you know right where biggin is all the time slow as fuck too he can't take them 12 minutes to go a mile and a quarter yeah there's a trail of chicken bones behind him. You can catch right up to him. Trail of fried chicken bones. 12-minute mile and a quarter fucking 15 years ago. He ain't going anywhere.

Oh, God, now forget about it. He's out of shape. He'd get a quarter in 12 minutes. So, yeah, he is, I mean, arrested. It's all over the papers. You know, Buffalo Bill. And this is 98. This is 1998, July 31st. So this is two years after the O. you know, Buffalo Bill. And this is 98. This is 1998, January, July 31st.

So this is two years after the O.J. verdict. Awesome. So this is a Buffalo Bill's O.J. teammate. It's insane. A white Buffalo Bill. That's it. This team is generating some wife killers. It is.

But he wasn't as famous as O.J., so it really didn't get the publicity. It really didn't because O.J. was on commercials. He was a movie star. He's Nordberg. Isotoners. Yeah, isotoners. He really didn't because O.J. was, he was on commercials. He was a movie star for Christ's sake. He's Nordberg. Isotoners. Yeah, isotoners. He's selling gloves, God damn it.

He's getting pushed down the stairs by Leslie Nielsen. He's got a career. He's on a creepy crawler underneath a truck being drug around town. Yeah, this guy,

not at all. So that's how this happens here. Now, in 1998, after this murder, there's, people are, the children, their children, Jim and Nana's children, Jason and Katrina. They start a trend where they are tying black

ribbons around poles, having people do it all over town to show support for the solving of their mother's murder, which I think it's pretty solid. They know, right? Yeah. So he's been charged with murder. He gets officially charged with the murder. And in a few days, they have to take him to the grand jury for indictment. The grand jury fails to indict him on the murder charge. I have no fucking idea.

What the fuck? No idea how they did not indict him. Do they get the same jury from L.A.? What the fuck happened? I can't even begin. I mean, he was... The circumstantial evidence is off the charts. That's unbelievable. It's unreal circumstantial evidence. He was there for

fuck's sake. He was there that day amidst of being there. The same day she tried to garnish his wages, she gets... He's like, somebody must have come after me, bashed her head in and drowned her. Somebody else must hate her more than me. Super weird. I wonder who else she's garnishing. Right. You know what I mean?

So, Jesus Christ. I mean, he's set free from there, and that must have, I guess, I don't know what he's thinking there. Does he think that that's over? I would think, like, I'd be waiting for those charges to get refiled real quick. They're going to find another group of people to put on a grand jury to fucking indict me. They're going to. Yeah.

I mean, he's like, I'll probably get some fresh air. He's like, I'm going to take a walk. Is he dumb enough to think that possibly they can't because of double jeopardy? Does he think that he's- I don't know. I don't think he just doesn't have a choice. They didn't indict him, so he goes home and- He just walks.

He's like, it's like a mile and a quarter to my house. I should get there in about 24 minutes because things are going bad here. And along the way, he's walking. He hears dogs barking behind him. He turns around, and it's Bobby Colorado, animal trainer. And he says, How is it you come to arrive here? What the fuck?

What's wrong with you? What the fuck is wrong with you? What the fuck is wrong? A half-empty pool? Yeah, that's a brilliant strategy. What did you think? The cops were going to come in and go, She must have went for a swim.

Yeah, it's all moldy and green and half empty. It's perfect swimming weather. This is great. She needed a dip. Yeah. How fucking stupid are you? What's wrong with you? You played with OJ.

Did you see what happened? What did you think? They're going to let that go again? And now you're free? You're not going to be free, mister. You're not going to be free. No, no, no. The dogs don't like you.

They know an asshole. That's right. Now get back, Sparky. Let's go. Let's go. They're going to go now. And then poof, he's gone in a puff of't like you. They know an asshole. That's right. Now, get back, Spocky. Let's go. Let's go. They know an asshole. And then poof, he's gone in a puff of marinara sauce. He's out of there.

Puff of dog shit and marinara. Puff of dog shit and marinara sauce. And he didn't like the dogs, Mr. Dunaway. He was very scared of the dogs. So July 28th, his wife is dead, but he still has an appeal in the divorce. He's still appealing because it's to her estate now. Oh, okay. So they're still doing all this.

He's complaining he is strapped with the the bulk of the debt of everything. Yeah. You killed the other person who might be able to take care of that asshole. You know, he said that he filed for bankruptcy. That should have exonerated him from all the terms of all this shit. No, that's not how that works. He says that he's been left with no means of producing the income to service the debt because of the limited profitability of the dairy operation and his inability to borrow

working capital since the real property he intended to use as collateral was awarded to his ex-wife. Okay. This is your fault, dude. This isn't- That's all your fault. And now she can't help you because she's fucking dead because you killed her. No, you murdered the only person that could give you a hand.

Allegedly. Right. Allegedly. Allegedly. can't help you because she's fucking dead because you murdered the only person that could give you a hand allegedly right so allegedly so he argues that you know the he argues all this shit and the judge says no not actually true that's not worth he says uh yeah the the you know the dairy farming was awarded to to him so you could have made money off of that you can't blame her having property on that uh all of the indebtedness was associated with that business, which you're taking care of, so you should have no problem there. The whole deal, none of the assets that were awarded to her were directly used in the dairy operation. So that's it. It's ridiculous that he's even saying this. Basically, they say that he's got living expenses, yes, and they talk about that. They talk about his ability to maintain a reasonably comfortable lifestyle for himself,

pay the relatively large periodic alimony sums of $1,800 a month. All payments are pretty much upheld. They lower the lump sum amount to half of that, but then they also say that you have to pay more because they, through I guess they do like kind of forensic accounting on here. They figured out that he spent $81,881 on his girlfriend during the marriage, $81,000, almost $82,000 on his girlfriend during the marriage. So they were like, you're going to have to pay that path. That's got to go back to spend that money back.

So that's kind of one of those. So they were like they cut it in half, and then they added more on. So it ended up a victory for him, I guess. So on August 6, 1999, he thinks he's scot-free, man. He thinks he's scot-free. He's pissed off about the financial. He's just worried about the money at this point. Yeah, he's worried about that. Well, here you can worry about some more money here.

August 6, 1999, his children, Jason and Katrina, file a civil wrongful death suit against him. How about that. Well, here you can worry about some more money here. August 6, 1999, his children, Jason and Katrina, file a civil wrongful death suit against him. How about that? They pull a Fred Goldman on his ass. Lawsuit also names Jane and John Doe as co-defendants who, quote, aided, abetted, encouraged, or assisted James K. Dunaway to cover up his actions.

So they're saying him and anybody else that he was involved with, whoever we figure out that he was, they don't think he was. But just in case they do it or whatever. Suit claims that Jim was bitter over the divorce settlement. Obviously, the suit says, quote, Naniil Gates Donaway died as a direct result of drowning contributed to by blunt force trauma of the head. When the body was found, she had suffered numerous wounds to the head and arms. According to the Mississippi State Medical Examiners, these findings are strongly suggestive of homicide.

So they have an attorney named Clark Hicks. He says that they hope to get a verdict against him that would give the district attorney more evidence to pursue a criminal charge. That is their ultimate goal, to get him put in prison. They want to, like, out more evidence on this to where they want to show the D.A. that you can pursue this and you just didn't do it right. He said, quote, we're hoping the D.A.'s office will present his case again to the grand jury following the outcome of this case. So September 9th, 1999, Jim officially hands over his property to the first federal bank. They foreclose on him. Yeah.

So now he's got no more dairy farm either. Depressing. He is on a toboggan from grace right now, man. He is firing down that hill from grace. Holy shit. I mean, this is, fuck, I mean, think about the life. He started out so well. It was so great. It was so promising. Now he's

goddamn killed his wife. He killed his kid's fucking mother-licking asshole. This Linda lady that he drug into his little den. I don't know what happened to the goddamn cows that he's been with. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I feel bad for all these people. So bad you feel bad for cows. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Jim Dunaway.

Oh, my God. A retail executive store operation field leadership guy in the greater San Diego area. He is the regional director at Dollar General. Oh, poor guy. Yeah. And he formerly worked at Rite Aid and Dollar Tree also. He loves these cheap stores. He does.

Jim Dunaway, a massage therapist in Phoenix, Arizona. Poor guy. Sorry, Jim. That's why we did you. And sorry. a massage therapist in Phoenix, Arizona. Poor guy. Sorry, Jim. That's why we did you in. Sorry. He went to the Arizona School of Massage Therapy and Community College of the Air Force, which I didn't know they had a community college. How he's got guys wandering in going, ah, dude.

Dude, man. Who are you killing? I was hoping for a hand job. God damn it. Now, the one who I feel the most bad for because he almost got the brunt of this was a sports caster, Jim Dunaway. How about that? A little bit of some role reversal. And it's down south, too.

He has a job in Alabama. Shit. I researched this guy for five hours before I realized it wasn't Jim Dunaway. Wow. Because I just assumed, oh, my God. And I'm pissed. I'm sitting there like, how fuck? This fucking guy killed his wife.

The grand jury doesn't indict him. And they just put him on TV like it's fine? I'm like, what is this shit? You got reverse Skip Bayless. Oh, I was so mad. I was so mad. Yeah, I was. At least I didn't put it on television at first.

I was so mad, dude. So Skip almost ruined another athlete's career. He did. Yeah, yeah. But you almost ruined a fucking broadcaster. This guy's like page three of a Google search, though, because of all of the Jim Dunaway shit. That's depressing. So this poor guy, I read he's a 20-year media veteran.

He's already had a successful career. He was an Alabama native. Oh, jeez. He's the co-anchor on WAIT42 news team. He does the sports. Good for you, Jim Dunaway. I saw him. He seems to do a really good job.

And I feel so bad because I was so mad. And I was like, I had this big race thing. I'm like, so fucking OJ. Yeah, he's whatever. But, you know, and this guy's white, so you can put him right on TV. I'm like, what the fuck, man? This is, you know, the South is ridiculous. And I'm like, no, no, no.

Sorry, South. It's not your fault. This is just some guy who's half the size of him who's calling sports games. Happened to be named fucking Jim. And seems like a really nice guy from everything I've seen. Seems like a good guy. I've seen his Twitter. I think he's at Jim Dunaway.

Follow him. He seems like a nice guy. Say thank you for not killing your wife. Tell him. Congratulations on being a great husband. Yes. And finally, if you're a husband. And finally, a Jim Dunaway music professor at the University of South Carolina,

who only has a 1.3 out of 5 rating on RateMyProfessor.com. Here are three one-star reviews I have to read you quick of this guy because they're awesome. One here, quote, he was horrible at conducting. I think he also, this is asterisk, I think he also, asterisk two. I don't know what that is. It seems like a curse word there also, asterisk two, I don't know what that is. It seems like a curse word there. Shit two, fuck two, I don't think that makes sense. He has loud outbursts sometimes, and when he sang, it made you want to cover your ears.

I do not recommend him for anyone in capital letters. Five exclamation points. Awesome. Next one, one star. Awful. Spelled wrong. With an E? Capital letters with an E.

A-W-E-F-U-L, exclamation point. The worst choir director I've ever had. Totally grades on attendance and class three times a week for five hours is a nightmare to sit through. Next, this is my favorite one. Worst teacher I've ever had. Can't conduct at all. Plus, his teeth are horrible. They will distract

you the entire time. Do anything you can to avoid his class. He's a terrible conductor. Holy shit. That's what everybody else wanted to say when they're saying he's a terrible conductor. Worst teacher I've ever had. Wow. I'm going to tell you why. Because you can't pay attention to what note he's telling you to play

because of his fucking teeth. Fucking teeth in his head. By his baked bean teeth. His fucking Steve Buscemi mouth. Oh, man. God. So the civil trial, back to that, the judge ends up taking away the murder and negligence charges, but they will let the jury deliberate on wrongful death by willful, deliberate, and malicious assault and battery,

which sounds like wordy murder to me. It just sounds like wordy fucking murder. I'm sorry. It really does. Now, his attorney, Wayne Dowdy, unquestionably silver-haired, middle-aged white man here, questioned how the evidence was gathered, said that a family member assisted in the gathering because he found the body, you know, so ridiculous. He said that even though he was arrested, Jim was arrested as, you know, within 24 hours of the death.

He had no marks. He had no bruises. He actually said, quote, this man didn't have as much as one teeny weeny scratch on him. Not one iota of a bruise. Nothing. He said teeny weeny. Teeny weeny. He said in court, in a court of law.

What an asshole. Yeah. He said that the grand juries grand juries can indict with such little evidence like they always say it's a famous thing grand jury will indict a ham sandwich it's like the famous old quote uh but they didn't invite indict him probably because he was also a famous local who knows uh he said uh you know i feel sorry for this family but jim dunaway didn't do it uh his attorney said that yes there was some blood on jim's clothing and personal items that were at his home.

But the DNA tests were inconclusive. So we can't prove that it was her blood. But he had a bunch of shit with blood on it. So that wasn't his because he had no cuts. Not one tiny weenie scratch. Not one Iota of a bruise. So right there, I'd be like, he was all scratched up. That's all his blood.

It's all inconclusive. Wow. He got a kitten. And you know how sharp their fucking claws are. like, he was all scratched up. That's all his blood. It's all inconclusive. Wow. He got a kitten, and you know how sharp their fucking claws are. Yeah, you know how it is. His attorney said that the plaintiffs presented no new evidence against the client. It's the same thing that went in front of the grand jury. He said the only thing they brought forward is that he was seen at her house that day, which he has admitted from the beginning because he had no choice.

Jim testifies. He says that he didn't have to pick up his clothes because the house was going. He didn't say that he said that the house was going to be his in 10 days. He said he admits to being at the house the day he died. She died. We have an in their own words on exactly what he said in court in their own words. Quote, that day I had a very amicable conversation with her. I had no reason to say anything like that.

My appeal and the bankruptcy proceedings were a lot farther off than 10 days, so I wouldn't have said anything like that. You know, there is a much lower burden of proof in civil cases that we know of. The way I always thought of it is like in a criminal case, I feel like in the jury, you got to be like 80% sure. You got to be like, hey, because it's beyond reasonable doubt. So that's about 80%. In a civil case, the judge literally instructs you, if it's 51% this way, that's your decision. That's the one you go with.

That's what you go with. So it's not, you don't have that. You just basically got to give intent in civil. The burden of proof is really, really not there as much. So there's this. But the prosecutor here, the lawyers for the children said, yeah, all that's fine. All that you just said is great, but there's nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence if it's the right circumstances, the way you put it, which I thought was smart. He said that it was ridiculous to say that the bruises and cuts on her body were not caused on purpose because they were saying she must have fell down.

I don't know anything. This guy says, Gunn says, he questioned how she might, quote, might have accidentally been grabbed by the arm or accidentally been hit two or more times in the back of the head with a blunt object. Like, yeah, I would question that, too. In closing, his lawyer said, this is Jim's lawyer. Jim's lawyer said, Dowdy said, make no mistake about it. If the jury finds him responsible, then that's them saying that they think he purposely and knowingly caused her death. That's like a way to get them to not say that he did. Meanwhile, it's the opposite. He's trying to throw some guilt on them.

They're like, OK, we're good with that. No, he's trying to take guilt off of him, his attorney. Right, that's what I mean. He's trying to put the guilt on the jury. Yeah, like, hey, don't do that to the poor guy. He's been through enough. Jurors deliberate for four hours before finally returning a verdict of guilty of the wrongful death. Jurors were nine to three in favor of guilty because you just have to win a majority.

They award the children an amount in the total of $579,112, which is a lot for him at this point. He's just got his property taken from bankruptcy and everything else. We have an in their own words on this from him. And this is interesting because he actually addresses the death here in this in their own words. He says in their own words, quote, I'm extremely disappointed. I had absolutely nothing to do with Naneel's death. I looked both my children in the eye and I told them that.

That's ballsy, I think, right there. Dunaway says he will appeal the verdict, but I, through everything I looked for, could never find one speck of an appeal on that verdict. Never appealed. Never appealed the verdict. Wow. February 19th, 2004, his property, whatever he had left, is auctioned off by the bank. Oh, shit.

So that's gone, completely done, auctioned off by the bank. How's this girlfriend feel about her? I don't think she's around anymore. Big Dairy King. I don't think the Dairy King is dead, my friend. Ding dong, the dairy's dead. So that's over there. May 11th, 2006,

it's the only other time I could see him doing anything publicly, find him doing anything where he was driving. He's at a charity golf tournament in Picayune, Louisiana, driving a refreshment cart with some other guy. Oh, fuck. But they were like doing it for it was like a charity thing. Like he wasn't like there was a job. OK. He was like something to do with some football coach. I want that to be his job so bad.

And they invited him and a bunch of other people and they had him. Didn't people go, can I get a lemonade? Didn't you kill your wife? Where the fuck? Why are you here? What the fuck? There's no half empty pools around here, are there? Poor Naneel is buried at the Foxworth Cemetery in Mississippi down there.

If you can't get enough of Jim Dunaway, Jimmy, you can't get enough of him. You can go to historyforsale.com where you can get a printed card signed in ink. Jim Dunaway, 78, black ink on a 5x3 card, printed card for the 1972 Super Bowl champion Miami Dolphins. So it's a Miami Dolphins logo thing with his autograph. It is $119 on that site, on sale from $140. And that's only because they're the last team that's undefeated. Probably, yeah.

That's the only reason. You think he gets with those guys and corks fucking champagne every year? No, I don't think he's allowed with those guys. I can't imagine that Larry Zonka allows him in there. I don't think so. No way. I don't think Nick Bonacani's having that shit. No, he's not.

No. No. So I don't think Nick Bonacani is having that shit. No, he's not. No. No. Also, if you can't get enough, eBay, you can get a 1965 Topps football card of him on the bills. It's in perfect condition.

1995 plus $3 shipping, which isn't bad for a 1965 football card, actually. Yeah, but I don't know, 20 bucks for a murderer? Oh, no, it's a lot. But it's for a football card from the 60s of anyone you've heard of. That's pretty cheap, actually. It's perfect, too. That is Jim Dunaway. My God.

That is why I said parallel with OJ is remarkable in terms of killing your wife and not going to fucking prison for it. Right. Amazing. Allegedly. Yeah, you don't want to get sued by an asshole. Right. Well, then again, he's so poor at lawsuits, I don't think he'd win anyway. So fuck you anyway, Jim Dunaway, you murdering cocksucker.

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