Crime in Sports - #83 - From Failure To Murderer - The Evasiveness of Kenneth Eriksson

Episode Date: September 5, 2017

This week, we navigate a dark path of deception, thievery, drugs, and just plain vile murder. A man that ran from his problems, his whole life, including joining another country's military to outrun authorities, and creditors. And it only got worse from there, culminating in a horrific scene, in a Thai hotel room, followed by a manhunt, and an attempt at the death penalty. This story is so crazy that it has to span over 3 continents!!Grow up in a town that Ikea named furniture after, steal anything that isn't tied down, and try to survive a Thai prison with Kenneth Eriksson!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at...patreon.com/crimeinsportsCheck out or site: truecrimecomedyteam.comAll web support by Web and Writer webandwriter.com or Facebook.com/webandwriterContact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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exactly how much it keeps us going and for what reason it keeps us going because uh we have some shitheads to talk about terrific uh besides that hope you enjoyed last week's Cody East episode. Was that guy an asshole from day one or what? That was just a mess. Unbelievable. From the moment he came into any kind of public eye to really current day. We have today, this is by far and away the most difficult episode I've ever had to do research for. Blows everything else out of the water.

Not even close. Not even close. This guy did nothing in a country that ever spoke English. Ever. That's helpful. So everything I found was in other languages and had to be translated. And when you translate things, especially from Swedish, it doesn't just come out in a normal sentence.

It's like a word jumble where you have to go, okay, there's eight words and they make a sentence somehow, but they're not in the right order. Make this word salad. So you just have to put it together and go, okay, that sort of makes sense. Here's a Caesar salad, but if I change them around, it's a cob. So what the fuck? It's so difficult. Oh, God. It's so difficult to track.

And the last country he ends up in where this one crime at the end is just it's crazy how hard this was so any confusion anything if i repeat myself it's because i might have written it down in my notes three times because i thought i was saying one thing and then i said something else and i haven't slept for three days but still let's do it it's a crazy crazy crazy story unlike anyone we've ever covered before. It's the story of Kenneth Erickson. Okay. That is Erickson spelt in a very Scandinavian way.

It is E-R-I-K-S-S-O-N. Oh, boy. Erickson, yes. That's bizarre. A lot of those in the States exactly spelled like that. Why is it spelled like that? Because he's from Sweden. He's born in Sweden.

Because he's a fucking Viking. He's a Viking, all right. Where do you see his Viking behavior? He pillages this guy, boy. He's a pillager. All right. This story, the other thing here, this story, very little sports in this story. We will be done with sports in 10 minutes, and we're going to be moving on to nothing

but assholery and nickery and fuckery, as far as the eye can see. Like I said, he's born in Sweden. He's from Kramfors. K-R-A-M-F-O-R-S. I am not even going to apologize for mispronouncing Swedish shit. You know we already did. No idea. I know we have listeners in Sweden.

We have actually a decent amount of listeners. We apologize. We will fuck up every name, every city name, every everything. We really do apologize. We really do apologize. But if you're hearing us, you probably don't speak perfect English, so you're probably like, you know, it's the same thing. You're going to translate us a little off. We're going to

translate you a little off. We'll work on it. They probably think we're funnier than we are. Probably, yeah, just because we're idiots. Like we ask of all of our foreign cases, anyone from there, we do ask that you find our ignorance charming. That's what we ask every time. We beg you. We beg you to find our ignorance charming.

We're trying our best. I'm not even going to speak for James, but I'm a fucking idiot. I wouldn't say you're an idiot. I'm not an idiot, but we're trying hard here. I give my best effort, which sometimes is valiant, other times is not. We try our best. We really do. Sweden, in case you don't know.

They often say that about the kid that's last at everything. He's trying his best. He's trying so hard. That's me. That's us. Sweden, if we talk about it here for a second, if you don't know where Sweden is, because most people in the States probably couldn't pick Sweden out on a map. I know people in the States that can't pick New York out on a map.

So Sweden, I wouldn't even ask. It's in the middle of a bunch of countries, right? That's a good way to put it. And it's kind of a— Want me to tell you where it is? It's in the middle of shit. Like Europe, you mean? Right. But I mean like there's countries surrounding it. It doesn't have a coast. You're right. I'm trying my best. It's in the middle of shit. Like Europe, you mean? Right.

But I mean like there's countries surrounding it. It doesn't have a coast. You're right. Okay. Let's see. It's north of the UK. Okay. So you see the UK.

It's north of the UK, off to the northeast of the UK. It is off. It goes. It's right between Norway and Finland. Okay. Norway and Finland and Sweden kind of have their own little, I don't know, it's not a peninsula. It's not an island. I don't know what the hell it is. They're always neutral.

It's the Scandinavian. They have no problems with anybody. That's the Swiss. Oh. That's the Swiss. But that's fine. Sweden is. Sweden, they're dicks.

They're not neutral. Sweden's fucking with people. Sweden makes. Yeah, they're fucking with me. They build the IKEA shit, right? They do. And we'll get into that. That's what it is.

They are not nice. They are not fucking neutral. They're fucking jerks. They're putting shitty furniture that I can't put together with a tiny goddamn Allen wrench. They're driving college kids fucking nuts. They actually, this town, there's actually an Ikea couch named after it. Cramfors is actually the name of an Ikea couch. It actually absolutely is.

Can't build it at all. It's impossible. Sweden, if we talk about it, it's actually a kingdom. It's the kingdom of Sweden. I did not know that they were a kingdom. They have a king right now. They have Karl, I guess, 16. Of course it's Karl.

Karl 16 Gustaf. So I assume Karl Gustaf the 16th or the 16th Karl Gustaf or Gustaf 16 Karl. I have no fucking idea what water they put words in there. There's a 16 in that shit somewhere. Carl Gustav and 16. He's a junior fucking multiplied. Multiplied 15 times over. He is the king of the nation.

I don't know how much real power the king has. They also have a prime minister at this point. So they have that. He's the king of Ikea. He's the king of Ikea. He is. He's the one of Ikea. He's the king of Ikea. He is. He's the one who says make the Allen key smaller. Make them scrape their knuckles

when they're turning it in the corner of that table. I don't want it deep at all. No. Short, shallow. Both sides are equidistant from the joint. I would also like it if I would also like it if there is absolutely no room in the corner to turn the Allen key.

I want them to turn it a quarter inch, pick it up, put it back in, turn it another quarter inch, and repeat several hundred times until that screws in. He's a junior's junior's fucking, so many juniors junior. That's son of a bitch. There are only 10 million people in Sweden. Really? There are only 10 million people in Sweden, which is like barely like New York. That's like New York City. Yeah.

That's like such a small population. But everybody's got an Ikea desk. And so we're probably all feeding them. No, their total GDP for 2016, estimate of their GDP is $517 billion. That's fucking Ikea. That's a gross domestic product. That's all it takes to keep that shit afloat when we elect republicans they cut that from like you know they cut that out of park budget preschool programs like before breakfast that's nothing that's no money at all

we cut that from shit in our budget and this is like that's their that keeps their whole country not only their whole country that's their gross domestic product. That's their GDP. That's all of the shit moving. Everything. Yeah. That is crazy. That's a very thin-oiled machine. That is, but they only have 10 million people. It's like two Phoenix over there. We live in Phoenix. There's about 5 million people. There's seven in Arizona. Yeah, there's five of them are here. So that's like

two Phoenixes, basically, is the entire country of Sweden. It's a nice-looking country, too. It really is. It's a pretty-looking country. I thought it was nice-looking. The Alps?ps oh that's swiss again that's swiss again you really want them to be swiss no hot chocolate make some great cheese no chocolate they don't make watches there none of that shit none of that i think they do make chocolate in sweden but still it's not the chocolate you're thinking about in swiss if you picture a little snow globe with a mountain town the thing on the top top, not here. Not here. Switzerland.

Another place. Early 12th century, it became the Swedish kingdom. That's when it really was established. It was early 12th century. So that's, we're talking the 1100s. Yeah. And now it's Sweden. It's not very old then.

No, it's really not. A thousand years. Well, because shit was conquered and this and that. And so it's that actual kingdom. It's not actually, that's's to have a thousand year old kingdom that hasn't been knocked over 12 times since then is actually not too shabby. Pretty impressive.

Yeah, it's not bad actually. This Kramfors is a small town. It's a nice little town, but it's way out. It's not in a city. This is like a rural area. There's about 6,000 people in this town. So that tells you right there.

It's a tiny little Sweden town that they name Ikea Couches after. This is like a- Find a murder that happened there. We can cover it on our other podcast. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, really. This town? We could, too.

We covered on small town murder, which you should also be listening to. It's pretty interesting here, this whole thing, because this is the exact opposite of Ron LaFleur in Detroit. Yeah. You know what I mean? This is the exact opposite of like Ron LaFleur in Detroit. You know what I mean? Like this is the absolute polar opposite. If you, I swear to God, it's like if you turned it over, like upside down, and what's on the other side of the coin?

It's this guy. Ron LaFleur's the head and this guy's the tail. And the other side of the country, too. Or the world, I mean. Other side of the country. Yeah. Again, I'm trying my best. He's trying.

He started, Kenneth, Kenneth Erickson, back to him away from Sweden, started playing hockey because this episode's a hockey player. Hockey is our sport here. Very little hockey in it, though. Started playing hockey as a seven-year-old. Oh. Yeah. It was a talented, people play hockey from a young age.

Hockey's one of those sports, it's because you have to skate. Right. Once you can learn to ice skate, you're in. You have to know how to do it well enough to where you're not even thinking about the skating part. Right. So it's one of those where you kind of have ice skate, you're in. You have to know how to do it well enough to where you're not even thinking about the skating part. It's one of those where you have to start at a young age. It's not like you can't just jump in in 11th grade and be like, hey, I can play hockey now.

That shit doesn't work. I know hockey players back east. They all played from the time they could walk. They stuck skates on them and pushed them out there. But when rollerblades came out, if somebody was 15, you'll fall the fuck over for months and months and months before you figure that shit out because they're awful right blades well it's the same terrible it's essentially

ice skating without ice it is it is and also just if you want a homosexual i was gonna say if you wanted to feel a little less masculine also that's the other thing you could do there to do that get a fucking skateboard poser oh god i was a skateboarder when I was like 13, 14, and I used to hate those fucking rollerbladers. Because they'd go to skate parks and get in the way. They're attached to your feet. You're just jumping up in the air and landing on your feet. That's easy. The old joke is, what's the hardest part

about rollerblading? It's telling your parents you're gay. Oh, yes. The old when you were a kid. I remember that from high school. Yeah. And it still makes me laugh because it's just stupid it's very said nothing against anybody gay or anything like that it's not what we're saying it's a stupid it's a stupid sport the joke is as stupid as the sport it's so stupid that sport it really is i used to get it's not a sport it's just an activity but i remember getting

so angry going because they'd land stuff and be like yeah and it's like you landed on your feet wow that's pretty impressive try landing on your feet also with a board that's not attached to you with wheels right could have fallen off at any time while you're in the air and get the board to land on the wheel there you go and stay on it that's not attached to you bizarre yeah that can even fucking happen i don't get that either that goes for snowboarding too right it's fucking attached to your feet right i'm sorry as a skateboarder i look for snowboarding too. It's fucking attached to your feet. I'm sorry. As a skateboarder, I look at snowboarding and go, that looks easy as shit compared to skateboarding. I see them do jumps

and I'm like, half the battle is keeping the board on your feet. Put some tape on that shit. Put some sandpaper tape on it and try to fucking grip. Anyone who's ever skateboarded, when you ollie or when you do anything, the hardest part is landing on the board. That's the hard part. It's not getting the board off the air, off the ground.

It's just landing on it. That's fairly easy. If that part is already taken care of, you're pretty much fucking done at that point here. So this kid here, Kenneth Erickson, 7-year-old little Swedish boy playing hockey. His teachers actually remember him and say he was a very nice boy. He was very quiet. He was actually small for his age at the time. He had dreams of becoming a hockey player.

He wanted to become a hockey player. He was a good young player, won a lot of trophies. He did that sort of thing. As a runt. As a little runt, yeah. And he grew into his size. He ends up being a bigger guy than that. But he ends up by 19, by the age of 19, he is actually considered a talent.

And he's actually being looked at by teams. And, you know, as we've gone over with these hockey episodes here, they look for these. It's kind of like you can recruit in the middle of nowhere and just go find some kid in the, you know, rural Sweden. You find a toe somewhere. That's what it is here. He ends up playing for, as a team, it's Cramfors Allianz, but it's Cramfors Alliance seems to be the translation that I got. Cramfors Alliance, but I don't know because it's Swedish. So if I fuck anything up on the Swedish stuff, I seriously apologize.

But it's Cramfors Alliance. That's his hometown team. They played in the second division of the Swedish hockey system. So I assume it's kind of like soccer, like we've gone over soccer, and they have the different, you know, they have this league and then that league. Right. And I think it's that sort of thing. He starts in the second division, though.

Yeah, he starts in the second, but it sounds like soccer to where if your team is lousy, it gets dropped down to another. I love that rule. Yeah, they kick you out, and they get a better team in the division, and you sounds like soccer to where if your team is lousy, it gets dropped down to another. I love that rule. Yeah, they kick you out and they get a better team in the division and you're like a minor league team now. You're a third tier team now or whatever. I think that's a cool ass rule. It's a great rule. The Browns would be playing Pop Warner teams in a parking lot on a Saturday afternoon.

The Browns would have started football this week because college started today. Yeah, exactly. Not even college. They'd be playing like a group of 13-year-olds. I want like kids from Juvie that are like 13 that they're trying to give them something to focus on. Kids with a blade in their sock. Exactly. Playing the Browns because that's what they deserve.

Playing like guards versus inmates fucking rules. Yeah, exactly. That's amazing. That's what I want for the Browns because that's what they deserve. They cut their quarterback real quick. They cut their quarterback this week who's terrible also. It's like a homeless man getting cut from fucking collecting cans. That's what it is.

No, sorry. We don't need you down here on the team anymore. We're okay over here. We got something else. We'll make a fucking running back quarterback. We don't care. Yeah, we will do it. We don't have to pay you $16 million. And they still do. They still have to pay him $16 million this year. That's bananas. still have to pay him $16 million this year.

That's bananas. That's nuts. So he's in this town, nice little town. He's playing hockey. This town was a, all through the 1900s, it was a forestry. That's all it was. It was forestry, forestry, forestry. They were big into that. And the local lumber mill shut down in the 60s.

Oh, shit. In the town when he was born. Yeah. And the town when he was born. And the town really kind of went in. They'd be fucking churning shit out today for Ikea. That's it, man. They'd be making so many bed frames. Maybe they are now. But this at the time, it was a lumber mill.

It was a lumber processing because they would, I guess. Article board. Fuck yeah. Yeah, let's trim it down, smash it together. Yeah, this was actually, they were taking actual trees down in the area. So I don't think Ikea would have used actual wood. Yeah, they ran out of trees. Yeah, they would use whatever shredded paper that came out of the back and glue that into

a board and make a fucking thing out of that. I just threw some cardboard in the recycle bin here. That's what they want. Yeah, make me a nice bed frame out of that. Give me something super flammable. I need a dresser. I need a combustible and impossible as fuck to put together. It's for my child, too, because we could have that be combustible.

As unsafe as possible, please put that in my kid's room. Please, please. I'm going to put a lamp on it. Something hot. Something, damn it. Keep everything warm away. No, don't put your cocoa on there. So in this town, it's way high north, so it's got long winters.

These are long winters. It's very cold there. It's dark late, shit like that. Very little light. Not like Alaska, but it's shorter days, long winters. What are the kids going to do there besides play hockey? Hockey's the shit. Hockey's the shit.

The creek is frozen over. It's like living in Wisconsin, basically, except even colder, I think, or at least shittier. And whiter people. More rural, somehow. Somehow whiter than Wisconsin. I don't know. I think Wisconsin could give Sweden a run for. And whiter people. More rural. Somehow. Somehow whiter than Wisconsin. I don't know. I think Wisconsin could give Sweden a run for its money. Fuck yeah.

They're definitely fatter anyway, I'll tell you that much. Wisconsin hates it when we fucking rail on them. There is more white people per pound in Wisconsin than there are in Sweden. I'll say that much. I don't even know if I said that right, but you get my gist, Dan. You know what I'm saying. I don't think you said it right. Not at all. But I fucking get it.

You get what I'm saying. More per pound. Really do. More pounds per capita. More pounds per capita. Absolutely. Oh, God, Jesus. That's so funny.

So Kenneth plays all through his young years. He's in the middle of the way. They go out to the ice rink because there's nothing else to do, or you just go out to, I don't know, the pond or the parking lot probably. You could probably ice skate on over there. I have no idea about Sweden and exactly how their shit is set up. I've got nothing. I've got nothing on that. So he ends up, growing up, too, it is his dream to play for Cramfors. Play for the Cramfors Alliance.

What the fuck else is there to do? That's his hometown team. That's all he wants to do. By the way, Cramfors Alliance, if you are a longtime crime and sports listener, you may remember all the way back to, I believe, episode 32 with a guy named Mike Danton. Oh. Mike Danton, when he was on his comeback from the whole murder thing, was playing for Cramfors Alliance in 2012. And we'll find out they may have crossed paths.

Oh, shit. It's fucking possible. Really? This is crazy. This is crazy. I never thought we'd get any more Mike Danton references. But how out of all the tiny shits, a 6,000 person town in Sweden. He wound up on the same team possibly.

What a small. Well, definitely the same team possibly. What a small... Definitely the same team, but maybe the same time. That is amazing to me, by the way. That's bizarre. Incredible. That's wild. This is the early 80s. Kenneth is playing for them.

He played... Dan played in 2012, but still. You have a king that's a junior that many times over. It's bound to have some fucked up things going on. Oh, people are going to be fucking messing up like crazy. Fuck-ups are flocking to that place. Oh, my God. I'm sure they are.

I'm sure everybody the 16th is messing up all over the place here. So he plays for this team, which it's weird that it's like a dream to play there because they're not a real, you know, they're not a prominent team. It's not like you're playing for the Red Wings or something here. You've never heard of it unless you're listening to Crime and Sports. Be honest. That's the thing. Or you live in Sweden and you live close to Cramfors. That's all there is to it.

They're in the second division of the Swedish hockey system, like we said. Ericsson, he's pretty good, but the team sucks. This team is terrible. He's considered one of the better players on the team, but he is terrible. The team is absolutely awful. They're so bad they drop into the bottom half of the league when he's playing. And he starts playing, I believe, on the team when he's 17. By 19, he's starting to get better and be a good player.

And it's at least what I got from the Swedish translation. I have no fucking idea, to be honest with you. But I'm pretty sure that's what we're talking about here. By the time he's 19, they go from being a second division team, like when he started, to being a fourth division team by the time he's 19, they go from being a second division team like when he started to being a fourth division team by the time he's 19. He's so distraught by this. Yeah. But he doesn't want to leave, really. That's the other thing here.

Most of the players who are any could play at all were leaving this team left and right to get away from this shit. They suck. But nobody wants to play for them. No, it's home for them. And also, too, I don't think he's not that great to where there's a lot of people clamoring for him. And a lot of people wouldn't have seen him on this team, especially if they suck. So he's got limited options. And he doesn't really know what to do. So what he ends up doing is, at 19 years old, he just stops playing hockey.

He just quit. He just quit. We suck. We suck again He just quit. We suck. We suck again. I quit. I tried. We were okay when we started. It was my dream to play for this team.

And three years later, we're so bad, I don't even want to be on the team anymore. That's brutal. We suck. And it's not going anywhere for us. And I assume, too, you probably, as you drop down divisions, you're dropping down interest. You're dropping down interest in the people. Probably the people who are coming to see the games are dropping down, which also attendance means your paycheck is probably a lot farther down the line than you'd like it to be at that point. So there's a lot of factors here.

So he decides he quits hockey, and now he's got to figure out what the hell to do. And it's weird, too, because a lot of our guys, a lot of them have some success. When they quit for that for a minute or at least six months, they have a few bucks in the bank. They go back to like their hometown and they buy a BMW and they go around and do some coke with people. Splurge a little bit. Splurge a little.

Run out of money. Treat yourself. Run out of money. Work at a local convenience store and end up homeless like robbing people and shit. Start the slow walk down the ladder of drug use, usually. It's from coke to meth. We just named Daryl alums. That was like eight people's stories all wrapped up into one.

What do you do? Well, he doesn't even have a lot of money. He's unemployed. He's got no money. He's got no education because he started playing hockey as a teenager. Really, school wasn't a big thing. What's he going to do? What's he going to do? What's he going to do?

He's got to decide what he's going to do. We have an in their own words on why he quit to begin with. So let's do an in their own Swedish words here. I love it. In their own words, quote, if I could not play at the top level with my home team, it got it. I don't know what the fuck that means. I assume that's a weird translation. That was a fun word sound. It got it. I don't know what the fuck that means. I assume that's a weird translation.

That was a fun word sound. It got it. I don't know what that means. I figured that means he quit, I guess. He's gone. Instead, he gets a job at a place called Nordwin. Nordwin besides El Pas. I don't know what the fuck that is. I'm not sure.

It's in Cranfors, so he's happy about that. And apparently this is actually a good job. The company he works for manufactures hydraulics so that, you know, and it's near the hockey arena too. So he's got to look at that every day. Yeah. And he goes in to make hydraulics. He's got to go look at it.

Making hydraulics for the fucking. What could have been. For that. What's the fucking thing called? The ice sweeper thing? Zamboni. Zamboni. He's making Zamboni hydraulics.

I was going to say Stromboli. He's making Stromboli. Jesus Christ. He's making hydraulics for the Stromboli, James. He's making hydraulic Stromboli. You know what? I've gotten a lot of recipes from my grandmother. I'm trying so hard.

I've gotten a lot of recipes from my grandmother, but that, I have to go home. She's getting old now. She's 89, my one grandmother. I have to go home because she's getting old now she's 89 my one grandmother she makes an amazing hydraulic stromboli i have to ask her the recipe for her hydraulic stromboli because it's incredible really it's wild it melts in your fucking mouth so he's making hydraulics over there all day and they're bringing that fucking zamboni out with broken parts and he's got to make the shit for that thing and try to live his dream of hockey through building a Zamboni. That's all he can do.

That's his shit now. That's it. That's all he can do. So what he does here, here is his plan besides the Zamboni hydraulics, okay? You almost said Stromboli. I almost said Stromboli. You got it in my mind. I ruined it.

He becomes a referee, a hockey ref. I mean, that's something. That's not bad. a hockey ref i mean that's something that's not bad if you're in a good league that's not bad ron lafleur tried to be an umpire a couple episodes ago he failed this guy can skate yeah what the hell so he becomes actually a respected official how about that they like him it's the whoa man anger man lands domicile club anger men's land anger men anger man's land anger man Angerman's land? Angerman lands. It's literally spelled Angerman lands. Oh, boy. One word.

That's your place. Domicile. That's my place, man. I love it there. That's my joint right there. I run that place. I have a t-shirt. It's great.

They're domicile club. He also becomes the treasurer of the referees association. Oh, that sounds like that's a bad thing. Well, yeah. In our show. That sounds like that could end bad thing. Well, yeah, in our show. That sounds like that could end terribly. In our show, yeah, that's never going to end good. So he's a referee, but he starts also, he likes the finer things.

He likes the finer things. He has the tastes and the attitudes of a really successful professional athlete while not being a really successful professional athlete, which is never good. That's not good. It's not good. He has apparently he really likes expensive clothes. Yeah. He likes really nice things, nice watches, nice everything.

I do too. Nice shoes. But he has to have it. And let's have an in their own words, an in their own Swedish words on exactly what he needs to have here. In their own Swedish words, quote, borgen, borgen, borgen. No, sorry. That's not what he said. I'm sorry.

I would love it if he talked like the Swedish chef, though. That's the quote they had. In their own Swedish words, quote, if I had something, that would be the best. For example, I never had shoes that cost less than $1,000. I was constantly trading and I was constantly receiving offers from banks and finance companies about new credits. I think something happened then. I'm wearing $16 shoes as we're talking right now, and I feel like a piece of shit now. Never had under $1,000 shoes.

Never had under $1,000 shoes. My God. It gets worse, too. It gets way worse here. So he's really, he's looking for everything. He also says here, we're going to do, because there's like two more in their own words. Let's do another in their own words real quick on this whole thing. Quote, would I have something such as a Charles Lindbergh watch, then I bought it and paid with my American Express card.

One day, I bought it and paid with my American Express card. One day, I bought it and paid with my American Express card. I had debt everywhere and owed over half a million. Half a million. Half a million just in... In debt. Just in clothes and watches and shit. He's got shit. Yeah, just shit laying around.

Yeah, not anything he didn't like, you know. Wow. It's not even a drug problem. Yeah. He's just like to piss money away. It's not even like shit you can sell, like a house, that you can get that money back and pay it off. No, he's just like, he thinks he's just like a, he's like hood rich is what he's doing.

Like, yeah, that's right. He's like Ron LaFleur when he robbed the grocery store for $1,600 in 1959. He's like, yeah, buddy, I got it all. I'm going to go get so much bubble gum with this. It is. So he needs money. So where can he get money? Where does he have access to money?

Oh, no. Let's see. Possibly where. He's a treasurer. I'm a treasurer of a referee's organization. I know what I'll do. They've got at least 60 bucks in there. I'll steal 38,000 kronar from the cashier box thing that the referee association had.

The petty cash? that the Referee Association had. The petty cash. Their petty cash, basically. And I will run away to Rio de Janeiro in 1991 to get away from the cops. For 36 grand? So he doesn't steal it to try to pay back his creditors. When I was reading this at first, I'm like, oh, he's going to pay back his creditors. And I'm like, wait a second.

No, he's going to Rio. He just said, I'm going to steal his money and go fuck off in Rio somewhere. That'll last you, like, I can't imagine. Not long. No, he's going to Rio. He just said, I'm going to steal his money and go fuck off in Rio somewhere. That'll last you like, I can't imagine. Not long. No. Four months. So he does this. The police, you know, they say that he's wanted for embezzlement.

There's a warrant for his arrest for embezzlement. But it didn't matter to him because he also had, not only was he wanted for embezzlement, he had apparently, you know, pissed off some unsavory underworld characters with his deaths because he was borrowing money from people. And he did start to dip into drugs just a little bit. His coworkers, he's borrowed money and shit from his coworkers. And so, I mean, he was in a bad spot, this guy here. Once the warrant comes out for his arrest, he drives to Denmark and then goes to Germany from there to try to avoid the police scrutiny.

Drives to Germany and then gets on a plane to Brazil, like we said, and ends up in Rio. And he hides out in Rio. He's basically, okay, he's trying to obviously lay low. Right. But he needs to party. Yeah. And he needs to be in the center of attention he needs to flaunt cash right he needs to do this shit if he doesn't what the fuck good is this

why did i do this why did i do this at all what's the point he's not like he's gonna go okay now i'm fine i'm gonna go down to rio i'm gonna get myself a nice retire on 36 grand get myself a nice conservative one-bedroom apartment don't need anything anything fancy. I'll get a hot plate. I'll just make some ramen at night. It's fine. I'll be good. I'm going to take it nice and easy. There's an antique shop down the street.

I'm going to work there. No. I get a feeling that's not how this shit's working out. Fuck no. No. He's just partying, doing his thing, going all over the place. How did they not notice, too, that he's so fancy wearing $1,000 shoes as a fucking referee? Didn't anybody go, you're making more than the players here?

What's going on? It's ridiculous. So, yeah, he's down there. He's in Brazil, which doesn't seem like the best place for a guy who's a complete idiot and likes to party and act like a jackass wherever he goes. He doesn't know what to do. He's down there for a few months. He spends basically a winter down there pissing away all the money he stole and trying to figure out what to do next. I like this guy.

Yeah, he's a trip. He's a problem. Wait until you get to later. He's a definite problem. This guy, whoa. Our final crime here is brutal. Our final crime. Our final crime.

There's several, trust me. And it's brutal. Well, we're already done with sports. Yeah. It's over. Hockey's over, guys. Grace is there. Check's several. Trust me. And it's brutal. Well, we're already done with sports. Yeah. It's over. Hockey's over, guys. Grace is there. Checked out.

Done. So, Grace, in case you were wondering, partying in Rio is Grace. Because I can't even call Grace on the career. We'll just say stealing that money, getting away. He must have felt great when he stepped off that plane in Brazil. Fuck yeah. Pocket full of money, free from all that shit. In South America rather than Sweden holy shit you can see

women here I'm already tan look there's an ass holy shit it's not covered in a snowsuit this is terrific my god he must have been in heaven so he's trying to figure out what the hell to do descends those steps from the plane with the hardest boner

he's ever seen you know he was just chest out feeling great about thousand000 shoes kicking in the sun. He walked down those fucking steps hunched over trying to hide the boner. He didn't want to be a creep. He's got $36,000 in his pocket. Is that $36,000 in your pocket or are you just happy to see all this ass? Actually both. Both, as a matter of fact, actually.

Yeah, I like the asses, but this $36,000 is making me... Did I show you my shoes? $1,000. $1,000. I've never had $1,000 shoes. Have you? The fucking crazy part is that he can only afford 36 pairs of shoes at this point in his life.

And it's over. He's essentially living my life, because I've got $16 shoes. Yeah. That's all I can afford, too, is about 36 pairs of these. No shit. And then I'm broke. And I don't know what the hell a kroner is either. I don't even know what the translation is.

I don't know how much that is in fucking Rio. I don't know either. And that's what I mean. I didn't look up the kroner to Rio money. I don't know what that is to Brazilian money. I don't know what the shit that is whatsoever. So he's asking a friend. He's got a friend in Brazil somehow.

And he tells him that uh he can basically do he knows how he can get him out of this okay he said i can get you out of this here's what you need to do and he gives him a plan and he says uh this will get the authorities off your back you'll make some money you're going to travel the world you're going to do some shit okay listen this is what he tells sounds illegal it sounds like it sounds like he's trying to get like make him a sex worker it really does it sounds like he's trying to make him a sex worker. It really does. It sounds like he's trying to sell him into the black market.

How's your butthole? Yeah, right? Instead, this is 1991. He flies back to Sweden, stays in Cramfors for a minute, okay? Just for a short time, just I would assume to scam some money out of his parents or something like that. And then he heads to France. Show up at the office, you know? Yeah.

Just be like, I'm here, everybody. Hey, guys. How you doing? Just act like nothing happened. Yeah. Punch in and shit. Why are you so tan? Yeah.

Just punching in. Hey, guys. How you doing? Yeah. Wow, dude. What's up with that? You look amazing. Everyone here is completely pale.

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Kenneth comes back. He travels from Cramfors. You know where he goes? France. What? You know why he goes to France? No. This is an interesting thing.

He goes to France to join the French Foreign Legion. What? Yeah. We've never had that turn in a story before. And he's a criminal. He's wanted. We've had sports and crime, and now he's going to join the military. We've never had that happen before, ever.

He's going to join the military of a country he's not even a national of. Well, it's the French Foreign Legion, and most of them are made up of foreign fighters, actually. That's why they do it. Well, this is something I just learned. I feel like I should have known that at some point in my life. Well, I'm going to tell you a little bit about the French Foreign Legion in a second. I can't wait. His father, Lennart Erriksson, is his father.

His father, we're going to talk to quite a bit later on, because his father's funny as shit later on. Translated from Swedish, he makes me laugh, this guy. I don't know why. Like, the things he says. He says, quote, as a young man, he talked about the Legion. I did not get it. I did not get it then.

I could never believe he would go that way, he says, because you wouldn't think he would with being that fancy and everything. He's fancy. They don't have nice shoes, those guys. No. God damn no. French Foreign Legion, we'll give you a thing here. It's established in 1831.

I never thought it was that old. It's a military service branch of the French Army. It's created for foreign recruits willing to serve in the French armed forces. It's kind of a way to expedite citizenship also. You can go there, you fight for them, you go join their little army, and then you get to be- Happy birthday. Yeah. It's also open to French citizens, but the French citizens are only about 24% of the recruits. Their whole thing is they're trying to build a unit out of people from different places so that's their whole thing and they seem to do a decent job out of it yeah they seem to do a

decent job out of it it's it's uh it's actually it's part of the french military but it's the only unit of the military that doesn't swear allegiance to france i certainly hope they don't have a cash box they keep somewhere laying around for weapons or something because this guy's gonna fucking steal it. But they actually pledge allegiance to the Foreign Legion itself. Sounds a little dangerous, too, to have that cash box made up of all different countries' money. Oh, God, it's a mess, man. So you can fucking hop, skip, and jump all over the fucking globe.

Forget about it. French citizenship may be applied for after three years of service. So that's how you can be a foreigner, show up there, join the French Foreign Legion, you can be a citizen in three years. That's great. That's not bad. Also, any soldier who becomes injured during battle in there immediately becomes a French citizen. Really? Yeah. If you're injured fighting for them, you're instantly a French citizen.

Don't worry. We never fight shit because we're a bunch of pussies. Yeah, don't worry. They actually fight a lot, these guys. They send those ones and keep their good soldiers at home. They do a lot of work with the UN, the Foreign Legion. They'll go and do a lot of these guys. Really? They send those ones and keep their good soldiers at home. They do a lot of work with the UN, the Foreign Legion. They'll go and do a lot of UN peacekeeping. We're going to talk about

a couple of those here. As of 2008, they had members from 140 countries in the French Foreign Legion. In 91, 92, 93, 95, they're fighting in they fought in Rwanda. They evacuated French citizens and foreigners in Rwanda in 91.

They were in Cambodia and Somalia. Good Christ. Ninety three. Sarajevo, Bosnia, Herzegovina. Yeah. Ninety five back in Rwanda. Ninety six Central African Republic. Ninety seven the Congo. Good grief. They send them through all the shit.

Yeah. They're in all the shit. They really are. They really do fight a lot. That's horrible. Yeah. It's pretty wild. He takes about two months to train in France, and then he's part of the French Foreign Legion. He had to cut up his credit cards to be accepted because they knew about his shit, so they were like, we don't want you. You can't do it more while you're here. We'll take you, but you can't do it also more.

That's not going to work at all. So they know. Oh, they know. They're quite aware. They know they know about him yeah this is to try to clean the slate okay this is like i'll join them yeah i'll get away i'll go there you go you don't have to worry about me i'll be i'll be in the french military you don't have to worry and they were like okay get the fuck out of here then which is great i wish we could do that just go fight for that would be wonderful if we could just that's brilliant if we had shitty people and we're like go fight for it. That would be wonderful if we could just. That's brilliant. If we had shitty people and we're like, go fight for, you know, Chile's military. There you go. That's your freedom.

Get to knock yourself out. Figure it out. Come back and you're good. You can be a citizen over there while you're at it. Oh, that too. Yeah. Enjoy. So he gets a new identity also.

They give him a new name completely. What'd they give him? Not Kenneth Erickson. He is Charles Eminger now. Charles Eminger. He gets a new identity, new card, everything. I guess he's a parachute guy. He's second REP, and that's an acronym.

I don't know what that stands for. We have a thing in here. They asked him if he's ever served. He says that he's been in battle twice. He's been in the Congo. That's where he fought both times when he was in battle. Also served in Sarajevo. He says he's killed in battle.

Never with his hands, though. Only with a gun. Some sort of explosive weapon. Yeah, some sort of actual combat. He wasn't going around snapping necks or anything like that. He's no Rambo. He's no Rambo, this guy, but so far, you know, at least he joined. Buddy rifled through their fucking pockets.

I bet he did. But fuck, he's fighting in Congo. That's ballsier than I'm doing. I don't think they have pockets over there. No, that's true. There isn't much in them if they do. No, they really don't. It's the Congo. Now, it turns out he got Charles Eminger because they do, for some reason, you get a new name and identity when you join the French Foreign Legion.

They just rename you. It's like, you're here. I guess it's because you're going to be a French citizen afterwards. They give you like a- A French name. A French name. They're adopting you. Which is so weird.

When you adopt a kid, you get to rename him, don't you? I mean, I think so. Yeah. If you want to. It's so strange, though. I got want to. It's so strange, though. I got to say. It's so strange, man. It's so strange.

So he's in there for eight years of total, being Charles Eminger. He's a paratrooper. It's the foreign parachute regiment he's in. He's a paratrooper. He's fighting combat missions, like we said. He worked with NATO forces in Sarajevo. Yeah. And all of this time, he's free and clear of his embezzlement charge. He's fighting combat missions, like we said. He worked with NATO forces in Sarajevo. Yeah.

And all of this time, he's free and clear of his embezzlement charge. So, I mean, that's – but he serves nine years in the – he would have done less time in prison. I mean, he's in nine years fighting in crazy African countries and places like that. It's crazy. But they always – everybody there said about him that his athletic prowess and his physical discipline for being a hockey player served him super well. He did really well, and they were very impressed with him in combat. He's a good guy to have. And in France, those guys all smoke like crazy. They can't run.

Yeah, no, it's true. It's true. They eat a lot of desserts and shit. They're all chubby. I don't know. I haven't got a clue. The Swedes, I don't know what they do. Honestly.

I'm talking about French. That's why the French are impressed with them because they eat a lot of dessert. Dessert is their fucking favorite meal of the day. It is, but they're still very thin over there.

It's a very strange thing. Yeah, they have a high fat diet, but they're very thin. It's the smoking. Kids, go out there and smoke. Have a pack. It keeps you thin. Trying to lose

that extra five pounds? Have you considered cigarettes? It could help you. But don't quit because you will get fat pack. It keeps you thin. Trying to lose that extra five pounds? Have you considered cigarettes? It can help you. But don't quit, because you will get fat again. Because then you'll blow right up. In a second. No problem. No problem at all.

So he's there. He would brag about, like, to his old friends. He would brag about the Congolese people he killed. Oh, don't do that. He would sit there and talk about, you know, during combat missions, he killed a bunch of people. Oh, God. Yeah. I guess his old friends didn't really know how to react to that. He would sit there and talk about, you know, during combat missions, he killed a bunch of people. Oh, God. Yeah.

I guess his old friends didn't really know how to react to that. Yeah. They were like, oh, so you don't like hockey anymore. They were like, I thought we were buddies and we played hockey together. Now you're talking to me about killing Africans. That's creepy. This is very strange. But all the Foreign Legion guys loved it.

They thought he was great. Yeah. They're like, yeah, this fucking guy will kill anybody. Yeah. Sweet. We love it. So he's in France. He's in there eight years.

So it's like 99 he leaves the French Foreign Legion. He takes his old name back also. He takes his old name back, uses Kenneth Erickson again. Now he's free to – now he's not wanted. Yeah. It's, you know, nothing is hanging over his head, waiting, nothing. It's just— Super good now. Yeah, everything's great.

He can say, yeah, when I'm a combat vet now, he's in a country where he just fought for. Everything should be fine. He gets a security guard job. He works—first of all, who the hell is letting this guy guard shit, number one? Second of all, like, that's such a tough job. It is. Second of all, that's such a tough job. It is.

After actually killing people and now you're going to go do that? I can't imagine doing that. No, it's insane doing this. This is in Marseille? Marseille? No, it's not Marseille. It's a different spelling. That's Versailles you're thinking of.

The Palace of Versailles. God damn it, I'm dumb. Where they had the treaty. I'm trying so hard. You know what? This is France and Sweden. We're just saying. We're fucking idiots today.

Sorry. Because this is like, I don't know shit about hockey. I know a little bit about more. I know more about hockey than I do about Sweden and France. We'll put it that way. I love that place, Marseille, though. It's beautiful. It's beautiful there. He's guarding Brink's trucks.

Oh. So he's guarding armored fucking trucks. So this guy is like, that's, first of all, for a guy who's known, who's got an embezzlement charge on his record. He's got a problem. When there's money around and nobody's touching it, it will be his. Hey, guard this truck full of money. All truck full.

I need you to watch the money that nobody else is watching. Be careful because it's cash, too, so it's just untraceable. It just disappears so fast. It just goes and people could spend it and we'd never know. If you put it in your pockets, we'd have no clue. We'd have no clue. So really, you just want to do that. Please just keep an eye on it.

Keep. In case somebody tries that. Please. Now, for this job, he did have to falsify uh he did have to falsify his records yeah he did he did have because they wouldn't have hired him french foreign legion or not if he's got an embezzlement charge uh yeah no uh so he works there for four years four years goes without incident no. No fine. He's fine. Sounds like he's fucking planning it.

All around the city for four years. Yeah. He does not contact his family at all either. That's weird. He stays away from his family. He stays away from everything. Yeah. He said his friend was gone.

He said that his best friend disappeared to Africa. And after a while, it just, life felt like he was just kind of wandering on his own. Yeah. And he just was, I guess, working with that. He was fine with that. Boulevard of Broken Dreams playing in his head all day long. Goddamn Green Day song. It's almost out at this point, so he's really thinking about it. Maybe he wrote it. Yeah, that's what happens. Possible hockey player, Brinks truck guy, foreign legionnaire. And he wrote Green Day's Boulevard of Broken Dreams. I walk a lonely road.

He walks a lonely road, this guy. He really does. While he's doing all this, though, he's still him. That's the thing. He's still him. He still sees $1,000 shoes and starts drooling over them. So he's like, you know what? It's still in his head.

I'm kind of looking at these shoes here. So what he would start doing is he'd start charging up the old American Express card. Oh, shit. He'd start just skimming a little bit off the trucks. Yeah. Let me take a little cash. They're not going to notice this.

It's a truck full of money. How would they know? A few hundred bucks. No one's going to notice. But they do notice. And also, too, not only do they notice, American Express doesn't take too long.

Can't fuck around with American Express. They're not like Visa. American Express wants full payment every month. Right now. Kiss my ass. He's not paying shit. They're pissed off. So they're starting to do this.

And also, too, the Brinks people are starting to investigate him for the little skimming. He's starting to hear rumors about, hey, you know, they want to question him. They want to talk to him about a couple of things. So he's like, shit, what can I do? What can I do? I don't know what to do. Fess up, go to jail, fucking pay it back. Or you can steal as much money as you can carry, which in this case is about 50,000

euro off the truck that he's guarding. And you can take off and flee to Thailand. Jesus. Where else would you go, Jimmy? That's where I'd go. Wouldn't you go? I don't know. I'd find the country with the least fucking people and the least money.

Best extradition laws going on. Yeah, that too. But yeah, you'd find the cheapest. Well, it's pretty cheap to live in Thailand. For 50 grand, you better find something super cheap because you're not fucking old yet. No. So 50,000 bucks. So now he's been to Sweden.

He's been to Rio. He's been back to France. And now he's moved on to Thailand. This guy's a fucking mess. He's over there. He's got $50,000 in his pocket. He'd never even been to Thailand before. What?

Never even. He's never been there. And he's like, I'm just going to show up and I'll figure it out. Shit, I'm going to live there, goddammit. What he did, too, this is crazy also. This is what he claims, and there's nothing disputing this, but there's also nothing to prove it. He says that he met a Thai family while he was there that had fallen on hard times. Yeah.

And he said, quote, I wanted for once to do something good. So he claims he gave them the whole $50,000. Sure he did. Or just about all the $50,000 is what he said, which I don't know about that. That seems, why would this guy do that? You know what I mean? And if somebody just shows up with 50 grand to give to you, you're not going to have any questions? Yeah, that's ridiculous.

It's nothing. What a ridiculous thought. He literally was on a Brinks truck in April of the year before. He steals 50,000 euros. This was literally, he was going from one place to a department store, or he was coming from a department store with the money, and he just never arrived where he was supposed to be. Ended up taking a little side track to the airport.

That's where he's going. He just dumps the Brinks truck in the rental return lot. Yeah. And they're not going to have any fucking questions, you dipshit. Nope. He's fine. What an idiot. He's going to the airport. That's where he's going. He just dumps the Brinks truck in the rental return lot. Yeah. And they're not going to have any fucking questions, you dipshit. Nope. He's fine. What an idiot. He's good.

He's so dumb. He's a fucking moron, this guy. All that he thinks there's a country called Merseye somewhere. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to go to the- Can I get a one-way ticket to Merseye? There's no such thing. What are you talking about? Sorry.

Did you mean Versailles? Is that what you're saying? Like the palace? What are you talking about? Sorry. Did you mean Versailles? Is that what you were saying? Like the palace?

So he says, we have it in their own words here on the whole thing with the family and the money. He says in their own words, quote, I felt I wanted to help a family I met there. I wanted to do something good for once. I gave them the money. Yes. He says that he only has 12,000 baht left. Oh, boy. I guess that's the Thai currency. That's Thai money. You betcha. Yeah, he has 12,000 baht left. Oh, boy. I guess that's the Thai currency. That's Thai money. Yeah, he has 12,000 baht left.

That may be enough for two weeks, then the money's over. And that's like two euros, by the way. Yeah, that's nothing. That's nothing. That's enough to buy like a couple of boys and, you know, some chicken on a stick over there, I feel like. That's all. Two boys. Well, that's what people go over there for.

They go there to fuck little boys. I was just waiting for you to hit it because it's hilarious. Anyone who goes to Thailand, if you say you're going to Thailand, I am suspicious of you. You're fucking children, I feel like. I'm going there for business, I'll bet. These are business fucking boys. Or at least enslaved Eastern European girls that they shipped there or some shit or some like Korean girls they captured.

Or boys with breast implants that are trying to be girls. Cambodian women that were sold to them or something. I feel like something like that. You know, that's what you're there for. Stop it with the I'm going for a bank. No, you're not. Yeah. It's you're going on a bank retreat to go fuck boys.

That's all you're doing. That's all you're doing. So this is while this was going on. I don't know how much all you're doing. That's all you're doing. So while this was going on, I don't know how much money he spent doing this to fucking boys and just going all around. But he went around. He was staying in several hotels. He was moving all around the different cities in Thailand to try to avoid

the law. Capture. Capture. They're looking for him. This is all through 2004. In early 2005, he heads to the city of Pattaya. P-A-T-T-A-Y-A. Sure. Sure. I don't know how you pronounce that in Thai.

Pattaya. We'll say if it was on a menu, that's how I'd order it. Right. Pattaya. I'll have the Pattaya chicken, please. I'll have the Pattaya soup. I'll have the Pattaya lady boy. Let's go.

Yes, spicy. Yes, go ahead. This is 100,000 people live in this city. So it's like a smaller city, but it's still a city. Yeah. But this is where he kind of settles in. Okay. He definitely does it.

Now, we have to discuss at this point Thai prostitution. Okay. We should probably talk about that. Let's do it. Okay. In this city and most of Thailand, technically, strangely enough, prostitution is actually illegal. Is it illegal? It's actually illegal.

I can't believe that. It's odd that people would go to a country specifically to do something that's illegal. That makes no sense. It's legitimately known worldwide as where you go to pay for sex. Yes. But I guess like Vegas. Like Vegas. But here, I don't think they'll look down on you.

Here, whether you paid for a 12-year-old boy or a 21-year-old woman, I feel like you're looking at the same over there. They don't care. They don't judge, I feel like, over there maybe is the problem. So he's over there, but it's tolerated there. That's the thing. It's tolerated. The cops aren't looking to bust prostitutes.

It's technically illegal. And if they want to mess with you, that's something they can mess with you for. I feel like their whole economy might crumble without it, too. Because there's so much actual tourism for sex there. That's the thing. They need it. People come there for the—you come for the 12-year-old boys, you stay for the restaurants and the museums. You know what I mean?

That's what happens. You've got to draw people in with something if it's 12-year-old boys or the finest museums in the museums. You know what I mean? That's what happens. You got to draw people in with something if it's 12-year-old boys or the finest museums in the world. You come for the young cock and you stay for the bot or whatever. Yeah, that's it.

The pitaya chicken. You come for the pert pink assholes and you leave. You stay for the... You stay to go out to the theater district. Pert. P theater district Pert Pert is the funniest name I don't know where that came from

funniest word ever that's so funny it's like when somebody says Kurt like when somebody's really pissed and they're like you were so Kurt yeah I like that I giggle at that word just as much as I do with Pert Pert and Kurt

so just short one syllable words with hard consonants, start and ends, and then Jimmy's all over it. And I'll die laughing. I don't care how serious the conversation is. He's like, holy shit. Anything? Anything at all? He does not care. I'll giggle my balls off.

That's hilarious. That is true. Pert pink assholes. A couple of hard – well, that also had, you know, alliteration. It flowed very nicely. It was artsy, I got to say. I was going, it's my finest moment as an artist, really, right there. But this, apparently, Pattaya is, this is the place you want to go if you want some prostitutes.

If you're looking for sex workers to treat horribly for a small amount of money. Come get the Pattaya pussy. This is the way to do it. The Pattaya Pert Pink. Come on down. That's it. Get you some pink squish down here at Pattaya. Oh, man, that is rough, man.

God, that's nasty. Pink squish. Jesus, that's worse than Pert Pink. Worse, Jimmy, worse. All right, go on. So this one article I was reading, this guy that was a, he had been to Thailand and back

and he was saying a friend, a bunch of friends of his in university went to Pattaya once and they said, quote, it's amazing what a couple thousand bot can buy you in Pattaya. Oh, I'm sure. Meaning people.

Yeah, I'm sure. It's amazing that you can get like six people for that. Like, they'll just pull up a pickup truck like you're picking up migrant farm workers from Home Depot, only they're dropping off sex workers to you. It's fucking ridiculous, man. Unbelievable. So now he's there. What do you think?

He's not going to be sampling the local trim? Of course he is. What are you kidding me? This is why I'm saying this whole... Well, it's the local attraction. This is what I'm saying. This guy had 50 grand? Right. Bullshit.

This guy, and he gave it all to a family? He blew through it in like a week. So he went from city to city, and now he's got prostitutes all over him. I'm sorry. This guy, there's no way he is yeah he he's leaving because he can't come anymore that's what's going on he's just like i'm burning all the time all the time yeah and it's not even from like you know stds it's just sore it's just raw i've worn three layers of skin off it's not you know? It's as pink as those pert assholes. That's right. God damn it. So,

he starts, Kenneth starts going to prostitutes there, obviously. Yeah. You mean Charles. Yeah. Charles, Mr. Kenneth, what the fuck? Kenneth Erickson. This asshole. So, also, too, he's a white guy with money, and so he's walking around, and he's really white. He's

Swedish, so, I mean, he's white as shit. So, they see him, and they're like, he's probably here to party. He's here for assholes. So, yeah, he's walking around, and he's really white. He's Swedish. So, I mean, he's white as shit. So they see him, and they're like, he's probably here to party. He's here for assholes. So, yeah, he's here. Everybody, turn around and show him, guys. Everybody. Everybody. Where's our pinkest?

Line him up. Head down as far as it goes and spread those cheeks, boys. Let's do it. There's a white guy coming. He's got cash in his pocket. I think he's Swedish, for Christ's sake. Wow. He's either Swedish or from Wisconsin.

Either way, bend him over. That's what I'm saying, man. Swedish or from Wisconsin. He doesn't smell like cheese. We're going to go with Swedish. He knows how to put together Ikea, so he's very valuable. We need him. We need him.

So February 13th, 2005, Kenneth goes. He's on Pattaya's Walking Street. It's a part beachfront tourist. You know, it's part beach, part restaurants, bars, shit. You walk around, get hammered, get robbed, I'm sure. Knocked in the head, left in an alley. It's that type of joint. So he's doing this February 13th, 2005.

It's also known mainly as an open-air February 13, 2005. It's also known mainly as an open-air flesh market, basically. It's also known as fun during the day and dangerous as fuck at night. Yeah, you go there, you can find some prostitute, you can find whatever you want, basically. Drugs, the whole deal. So he finds himself a young

lady. Yeah, he does. He finds himself a young lady. They go back to the hotel together. They go back to the hotel together. They go back to the Siam Bayview Hotel on Second Road in Pattaya in Thailand there. So he takes her back. They're back at the hotel. We find out exactly what happens here. But at some point, they're on the fifth floor.

This is in the afternoon, by the way. This isn't the middle of the night. When they get back there, a bunch of the hotel guests start hearing noise and, by the way. This isn't the middle of the night when they get back there. A bunch of the hotel guests start hearing noise and screaming from the room. Okay. Bad sign in a hotel with a prostitute. So he leaves the hotel. He leaves his room by himself and comes back a few minutes later, you know, 20 minutes later, with two nylon suitcases that he bought near the hotel.

So he goes in the place. There's two people. Comes out. There's one. And then he comes back and needs suitcases. Two suitcases. So maybe he's packing up all his things. He's got a lot of stuff.

He's been buying knickknacks like crazy over there. You have no idea. Okay. He ends up – what he does is he then takes the bag, which a witness named Michael Nyman said looked really heavy as he struggled to drag the bag through the hotel lobby. While he's doing this, this Michael Nyman guy is standing there watching him. It's like the – it's about 7.30 p.m. at a hotel. It's a busy time. People are checking in and shit. People are coming in, not leaving. He's dragging this big, heavy bag out, big, heavy black bag, dragging it through the lobby,

like weaving it, like getting around hotel guests. Excuse me. Excuse me for a second. He moved that box. Pardon me. Get by here. They're like, oh, sorry. Excuse me.

Coming through. He's just dragging it through there. This guy watches him take it outside to a taxi that was waiting. Yeah. The taxi driver had to help him get the bag into the car because apparently it was very heavy yeah this bag and it's only one bag but it's bigger than two suitcases yeah so how did that happen that's weird super weird right uh one thing though not only did this tourist see it but also to the uh there is

surveillance which is hilarious the surveillance video because because I've seen it. It is funny as shit, watching this idiot drag the suitcase to the fucking hotel. He needs the Benny Hill music, dragging it through the people. It is asinine, watching this idiot. It's so stupid here. So he's doing that. They go out. He ends up going to a local drug dealer. He gets some meth.

Yeah. And he comes back to the room, hangs out. Yeah. Nobody ever hears another word. Everything's fine. And he comes back to the room. Hangs out. Nobody ever hears another word. Everything's fine. That was February 11th. Nobody hears another word. Everything's good. People are happy. They're all happy until February 18th,

2005, about a week later, when a guy named Rungset Tanrung. Sounds good to me. That's a handle right there. Tanrung. Sounds good to me. That's a handle right there, bro. Tanrung? Tanrung. T-O-N-R-U-A-N-G.

Tanrung. Yep. Yeah. Rungstat Tanrung. So, I don't think I've ever pronounced... That doesn't all go together. Thank God he doesn't donate to our Patreon or anything, because you would destroy that name doing shoutouts.

I will fuck that name up. Boy. I'll do it all backward. Yeah, absolutely. It'll sound the same. It doesn't donate to our Patreon or anything because you would destroy that name doing shoutouts. I will fuck that name up. Boy. I'll do it all backward. Yeah, absolutely. It'll sound the same. It doesn't matter. You can call him Tonrong Rungstat. I don't think anyone would know the goddamn difference.

That's it. Tonrong. I thought that. Now, Rungstat I thought was a first name. That's not a first name? What the fuck? He's a member of the hotel staff. He's like a construction fixing general maintenance

groundskeeper, that sort of thing. He's working on a wall in the back of the hotel outside. I guess he's got a tin of zinc. Do you know anything about construction? I don't know what a tin of zinc would be used for. Generally use that when you got a sunburn, right?

Yeah, maybe that's what it is. Maybe he was putting it on his... I was thinking for construction purposes. I'm like, I don't know what you'd use there. But, yeah, zinc would be more for that. Apparently he was throwing it away, and so he threw it, just tossed it up. Threw it into the bushes. Into some bushes. Like, fuck, I'll prune those later.

Yeah, screw this. I don't care. I'm the one picking it up anyway. But after a minute, he was like, I'm going to leave garbage around the hotel. Because I think he thought, too, if anybody saw me do that, I'm going to get in trouble. I'm the groundskeeper. I can't be littering. So he goes to retrieve it.

And at this point, he bends down to retrieve it. And right out of the undergrowth there, he sees a head sticking out of a bag. Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Yeah. This is a head. A head he sees sticking out of a bag. Just a dead head looking at you.

I would fucking yell. I think if I was bending down. Oh, my God. Yeah, if I'm bending down to pick something. Someone said, hey, there's a dead body here. And I was like, oh, shit, okay. And I braced myself. And I saw it.

I think I'd be okay. But if I drop something. But if you're going to pick up your zinc. I'm like, I think you're on my zinc. Holy Jesus Christ, there's a head here. God damn. God damn. Where did that come from?

I feel like people always find a foot first. There's always like a foot sticking out. I don't know. Sometimes a hand. Sometimes a hand, a finger. This is a head. It find a foot first. There's always a foot sticking out. Sometimes a hand. Sometimes a hand, a finger. This is a head. It's never the head. There's a head popping out. You never find that head.

If it was looking at you, too, you'd be like, oh, Jesus Christ. You'd run away. Oh, my God, I'd die. He smartly calls the police. He calls the police. Thank God he didn't leave that zinc there. It's a Patrice joke. He's like, i will never litter

in my life because if i throw dr pepper can over a hedge my luck it lands on a dead white lady and now they got my can with my fingerprints on it around a dead white lady you end up like wee bay from the wire when he left his orange slice can by a pay phone after they shot keema that's what happens they trace it back to him he's runs to Philly, but he can't stay in Philly forever, so he's got to come back. They end up arresting him. Life in prison for Weeby. Motherfucker. Life in prison.

That's right. And look what happens to his son, Naaman. He turns into a mess in the streets. Goddamn Naaman. But then he gets arrested. But it's okay, because he gets adopted by Bunny Colvin and everything's fine. I'm going to figure this shit out. God damn son of a bitch.

I'm going to watch that show. Last time we saw Naaman, he was in the National Debating Society rather than being Wee Bay's shitty drug dealing kid. Get it. I need help. Watch the wire. Son of a bitch. Anyway, so Patrice doesn't want to be the Dr. Pepper rapist.

No, and it's true. It's smart. Yeah. So this guy, he goes and retrieves it. I was lucky that some kid was like, hey, free zinc. All right. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. So this is at 5 p.m. So this guy, he goes and retrieves it. I was lucky that some kid was like, hey, free zinc. All right. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

So this is at 5 p.m. on February 18th. He calls an inspector, a police lieutenant colonel. I love saying these names. Holy shit. Tiddypoong is his name. Yeah. His name is Tiddypoong Sookteen. That's a high ranking son of a bitch that has to go out and investigate this shit.

Yeah. He doesn't have an officer somewhere? Well, he's the titty pong. He's got to do it. Maybe that's his title. I inspect the titty pong. There's a stripper somewhere with that same name. Oh, God, yeah.

You know it. You know it, man. So they look a little deeper. It's a naked body. Yeah. It is in not only nylon suitcases, but it's also wrapped in plastic bag on top of that afterwards and taped and all that sort of thing. So it is secure. Yeah.

Except for that head. Yeah, except for that head that was sticking out. It was covered by shit. They didn't just dump it on the side. It wasn't just dumped over there. It's a landscape area people are rarely in. Yeah. The bag had been taped around the feet area of it and like the midsection of the body.

It was torn open. Inside, they found, because that's how they found it, it got torn open. I don't know if it was animals or something. It got torn open and the head was there. They find the naked body of a 30 to 35-year-old woman. Oh, boy. She had dark skin, shoulder-length curly hair, many tattoos on her body, including a large rose on her belly and a snake and a rose on her chest.

Oh, boy. Classy. Yeah. Each of her, not that there's anything wrong with that, but each of her fingers. She's a dirty girl. Each of her fingers and toenails had been painted a different color. Oh. So she's like trying to.

She's fun. Trying to get you some attention. She's a fucking party. I think she's trying to get attention with the other hookers. She's got to be like, hey, look at me. You know what I mean? I'm fucking crazy.

Let's do this. This is my display window. This is what I got here. So also, too, this poor woman, her head had been smashed. Oh, fuck. And yeah, her head had been smashed. She'd been stabbed on the left side,

a whole bunch. And they estimated she'd been dead for anywhere from three days to a week at the time when they found her. Because you never know with the way she was wrapped, decomposition and all that sort of thing. Yeah. So that poor staff guy that had to find that guy was like, I was just trying to fix a fucking wall, man. Jesus Christ, dude. What the hell? So they start, obviously, start questioning, trying to figure this out.

Police Colonel Samnook Changate. That's actually not that bad. I'm sure that's not how you say it, but Changate's a good one here. He starts interviewing, I think it's a he. I don't know if Samnook is a male or female name. I'm not positive, to be honest with you. Could be a gal. Possibly.

Yeah, possibly. She could have been a sex worker last week in Thailand. Yeah. And now she's Sam Nook the fucking what is she? An inspector? He's a police colonel. Oh, she's a colonel. Jesus.

They find one witness, one of the residents near the hotel in the neighborhood around there. This isn't the guy from the lobby that's dragging it through. This is another guy reported that a few days before that, around 2 a.m., he saw a, quote, a burly white guy. Call it a burly farang. What the hell is a farang? I don't know.

F-A-R-A-N-G. I feel like that's an insult. I feel like that's a white guy, like a Northern European guy. And he says it with disdain, whatever a farang is. Burly farang. It's not a good thing. Yeah. Burly farang carrying a large bag.

But he said at the time he thought nothing of it, just a guy carrying a big bag. Who knows? But the police at this point are thinking that this girl that died is probably a prostitute working on Beach Road, but probably a freelance prostitute, too. They don't even think she has a pimp because no one's been looking for her. So that's the type of thing here. They're trying to positively identify her. She sustained a number of knife wounds in the left shoulder area, along with the head being smashed in and several other injuries.

Police at this time believe that two people are involved in the murder, but they don't have any leads apart from these, you know, a couple of witnesses that said that they saw that they would often see her, the woman described to them, the dead woman, often seen, quote, fighting with other transients. Jesus. So she's just bum fighting. Jesus Christ, man. Wow. Fuck.

Unbelievable. Who fights with transients often? Like, I don't think I've had. Who often sees them fight? Oh, that's her again. There she goes. There they go. Those transients often? I don't think I've had – It's not often she sees them fight. Oh, that's her again. There she goes. There she goes. Transients.

They always got something to fight over, those transients. Let me tell you something. She's not even a transient. She's just out there boxing the bums. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. She's kind of a transient too.

She's a street walker type of person. She's kind of in and out. Yeah. Yeah. She's Aladdin. That's what she is. She's a street rat. Yeah.

Now, one person they'd like to talk to, because after talking to everybody, they found out that a Swedish guy bought two nylon suitcases in the shop right by the hotel. And so they're like, hmm, that's interesting here. So they're trying to figure that out. What they did, they figured out that he had to cut the suitcases in half to put the body in. Yeah, to do it that way, then tape it all up and put plastic around that and then tape that so it stays together.

Good God. That was how he packaged this poor woman here. The same day that she disappears and she's gone is when Kenneth checks out of this hotel. He didn't really check out. He just kind of disappeared. So the Thai police would like to talk to him. Talk to the guy that checked in, bought some bags, and disappeared. And disappeared and fits a description of the guy in that video dragging a big thing

that could possibly be a body in there. Yeah. So the Thai police put pictures of him and they put the video. They post that everywhere. Local news channels are running it in Thailand. And they're saying everywhere, too, if we catch this guy and he's convicted, he's at risk of the death penalty. Oh, shit. Down there.

They're not fucking around down there. You can't kill prostitutes down there, apparently. They do not take kindly to that. Prostitution is illegal, but you definitely cannot kill them. Don't you kill one. Boy, you're going down. We'll get you. Which is how it should be.

Right. You get to tell a mess. No. Yeah. She's trying to do you a favor. That's right. You know what I mean? Be nice.

It's a victimless crime. Now we've got a victim. She. Don't mess. No. She's trying to do you a favor. That's right. You know what I mean? Be nice. It's a victimless crime. Now we've got a victim. She is definitely a victim. The police think they know what happened. Yeah. Yeah, they think that he cut the suitcases apart and packed the body and pulled the one head in. It's so crazy too he had to have the he the way he did it too like it concealed it concealed that it was two suitcases so it looked like he was just dragging

one big bag with a bunch of shit in it like oh this is a heavy bag yeah i'll just drag it through right it's really weird like he he must have went up there and this isn't a hotel room like there's blood to hatch this plant all by himself he's got it she's got a smashed head and stab wounds too he's got to be cleaning up blood how am i gonna fit her like this guy bursts into action you know what i mean he'd been staying in that in that hotel since august of the year before the august they know who's been there like that yeah and there's gonna be blood all over the fucking place he's been there for five months and then he disappears the day she's gone after he's been seen it's not terrific uh no No, it's a little weird.

They talked to a bunch of people around there. He had been claiming to other people he talked to that he had about six regulars that he would buy, prostitute-wise. He had six regular Thai prostitutes. And that Michael Nyman guy, the guy who saw him dragging the body through the lobby, he said, quote, he always came up with new women. So he was saying it was just, he's always got new prostitutes. I want him to be Michael Neiman like from Neiman Marcus. Michael Neiman, yeah. I want him like flying around the world

banging little boys. You want that? I want us to crack that story right now and ruin that story. Take down Neiman Marcus because of his underage pink purred asshole fucking in Thailand. His whole fetish for pink-purred assholes. Oh, God, that'd be horrible, man.

That'd be horrible. So the police search through hotel rooms, and they search his hotel room. They find blood traces, even though he cleaned up pretty well, apparently. But if you stab someone and bash their head in, you're going to find something. Now, also, they're looking for Kenneth. So what they're doing here, they're asking about him, and other people talk, like we said, about Michael Nyman. A few other people talk about his

love of the prostitutes. He also, too, a guy named Benny Carlson, who is a Swedish police officer in the Bangkok embassy, is also helping the police try to find him. They gave the Thai police gave a photo to him, and he said he's going police try to find him yeah they gave the type the Thai police gave a photo to him and you know he said he's gonna try to look for him what he does

what Kenneth does while this is going on he calls the hotel to like see if he has any messages or anything and his ham staying in that room where you guys found blood he's a he has no idea like hey I'm just just checking in doing my thing that's and so he but he also knew he told them he was leaving thailand on thursday okay he tells them i'm taking the fuck off i don't know if he was saying forward my shit or what he was trying to do here so they're on a hunt for him now now that they know that he's planning on leaving there's swedish police officials there that came from sweden yeah there's people from the embassy there's thai police

everybody's in here. They're checking flight. Man. This is a manhunt. Yeah. Oh, then they're checking. They got to check for two names. Yeah.

They're checking for flight manifest for everything going anywhere. Yeah. They're checking for Erickson. They're checking for Eminger. And there has like three other suspected names that they've heard he's used. They're questioning witnesses. They're trying to find anything. Yeah.

After a little bit, they determined that he couldn't have left for Sweden because there's just no record of him going anywhere, flying out of anywhere. So they stay in the city. They're staying concentrating on the city of Pattaya. They're looking about him everywhere. Everyone is told to keep an eye out for him. That's a big deal in both Thailand and Sweden. The media account is crazy. They even like talk about, they even pull his bank account details to tell everybody

financial shit. They're going deep. Look for this guy. Now, what he does is he meets a journalist. Yeah. He finds a journalist and he wants to get his side of the story out before he goes to court. What?

Before he gets, turns himself in. So he meets a journalist. He doesn't deny he kills her. Yeah. But he says he can't explain why she started to scream when they were in the shower together and he just wanted to shut her up. He said he was under the influence of drugs.

He said he was on a lot of meth. He said it was an accident and he's afraid the Thai police will kill him on the spot if he turns himself in. So the person who interviews him says that he looks super tired and nervous and just a mess when they showed up. They meet in like a restaurant. Because he's a meth addict.

He's a meth addict. I mean, he's a meth addict wanted by the police in Thailand. Meth, the Gatorade of murder. Always. It is the Gatorade of murder. And not only that, you're in a foreign country. Jesus. You think the cops are going to kill you.

And you're also paranoid because you're on fucking meth, you jackass. So yes, meth is the Gatorade of murder i think that's from small town murder we did that so that's we're crossing over our sayings now you're catching i'm sure somebody's heard it yeah that's true you're catching some shrapnel from another podcast i apologize but that's what it is the gatorade of murder catholics the baptists of the north and uh we're assholes not scumbags there you go now you go. Now you're up to speed. And he's good now. Okay, excellent.

So I forgot about that. I should have said that when he's done with the Foreign Legion. He's good now. That's when he's good. I think I hit it back there. I don't know. I don't know if you did or not. I don't remember, and I'm good now, but it's fine.

So he says he has information about the murder of a 35-year-old woman. He's just like, yeah, we know you have information. That's why we're looking for you yeah he wants to explain what happens he said it was never his intention to kill her uh he says he will uh wants a chance to give his version uh because he says if the if the thai police grab him he says i'm convinced the police will kill me here i had amphetamine on me he said he met her at the beach. This was 14 days before he was talking about this. He said, yeah, fuck it. In their own words, quote, I had been drinking alcohol and taking amphetamines, but I do not usually drink or take drugs.

The woman followed to the hotel. She was a prostitute, and I have had lot of during my many months in thailand but it has not only been to have sex with but the company she started screaming we went into the bathroom to shower i must have done something because she started screaming but i still do not know what made her so scared that's that's his that's his explanation i don't know i got hookers and i'm on meth and it should happen now she's dead uh he says that she hugged him in the shower. And he said that he hugged her back, but she slipped and fell into a bathroom window. And it broke. The window broke and she slipped over, is what she said.

Cut up her shoulder. That's what she said. Smashed her head open. It was crazy. Yeah, it was a suicide. It had to have been a suicide. That's all it is. That's total suicide.

She had enough. If I've ever seen a suicide, this's all it is. That's total suicide. She'd had enough. If I've ever seen a suicide, this is the one here. That's a good way to do it. Yeah, she said he slipped over. She said, or Kenneth said that she was terrified. He said she screamed loudly and she took a glass jar and smashed it on his right foot. Fuck. Is what she said.

He said that he just wanted to get her quiet. All I could think was to make her stop shouting. So he says, at this point, the journalist says that Kenneth shows the journalist with his hands how he took her neck. So now he's like demonstrating it, like a murderer sitting

in front of you demonstrating. This is how I choke the life out of this poor lady here. So he says, quote, I dunk my head in the floor, dunk and dunk. Suddenly I saw how life just disappeared from her. Then I understood what I was doing. Oh, boy. That's what he said.

So, yeah, obviously. Once she died, I realized I just killed her. Once she's dead, I realized I was a murderer. I was like, look at this. She's dead. If you keep oxygen from a brain for a while. It's crazy. People die. Somehow. Somehow's dead. If you keep oxygen from a brain for a while. It's crazy. People die.

Somehow. Somehow. Super. The life comes out of them. It's super weird. The whole thing is super, super strange. So he said he panicked. He said he said he he called the police, but they didn't answer.

So he didn't call back. As you said, they just because that's what you do. You call the cops. They never pick up. That's they never pick up. They got they got crimes to solve. They're famous what you do you call the cops they never pick up that's they never pick up they got they got crimes assaults they're famous for it you call the cops you're like now later we'll get to that it's probably not an emergency uh so he said he in a panic he decided to get rid of the body he said he first uh swept the body into the two blags bags put the two torn nylon bags over the body dragged the body through the hotel's reception. He said he understood that the video surveillance system was on, too, but he said he just didn't

have a choice. He had to take it out. And he calls that mistake unforgivable, is what he said, like as a mistake of disposing of a body. You don't want to get caught on camera with the body, generally, is one of the things. That's unforgivable. Not when you kill somebody, but when you try to dispose of it. That's the

unforgivable part. Yeah. This is the other thing, too. He's assisted by a taxi driver to dump the body. I was going to ask you that earlier, but I didn't want to get too far. Because it's right by the hotel. What he does is it's crazy. He literally

wow. He grabs the body, gets the cab driver, puts it in, has him drive around the block to the back of the hotel, then has him take it out and dump it in the bushes. And this taxi driver is like, yeah, cool. He gave me a tip. It's fine. When you said that

they found him on premises, I was like, it's not a far taxi ride. Like you get in the car. Where are we going, Two Hoss? Just in the alley. Around the back. Can you take me to the alley? You've got a fucking bag. I need more help with that bag, too, by the way.

Yeah. My back's killing me. I just drug that shit downstairs, man. Yeah. Well, let's see what else he did. Let's see what he did from there. We have it in their own words. In their own words, quote, I dragged the body into a tree trunk a little farther away at

another bush. I threw a bag of clothes with her clothes. So that's what he did. He moved her to another bush and then threw her clothes. Here's the shit, bitch. What about if I just put her in a tree? No, okay, I better put her over here. Can't get her up there.

I'll just put it here. And here's her clothes. And just threw her clothes on there, too. He said he then returned to the hotel. He didn't know what to do. Four days later, he said he passed the spot where he dumped the body. And he said the police stopped him. And he said he saw that several police officers were there.

So he's got to be shitting. He's walking by to see if the body's still there. That's the other thing, too. He's like, it's still there? Yeah. Let me check on that. He didn't just like, well, never going to think about that again. He's like, hmm, where's that body?

He said that he saw several police officers were there. He was told that they found a body at that point. So once they found the body, I don't know if he thought they were never going to find it right behind the hotel in the bushes. But he said once they found the body, he decided it was time to fly out of there. Got to get out. I got to get out. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about our sponsor, Blue Apron.

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That's blueapron.com slash crime. Blue Apron, a better way to cook. And now back to the show. He says he took the bus to Bangkok to get out. He said the police stopped him at the bus station when he arrived in Bangkok. He said he knew that if they looked at his passport, they'd have taken him. They'd have seized him, but they just let him go. So he's gonna go high so he went back to uh he went back to they won't say where he was yeah the reporter obviously

just said he's somewhere in thailand at this point he's just afraid he keeps expressing how afraid he is to turn himself into the thai police he doesn't want to get shot and just he says i don't want to get shot and just disappear yeah says they'll just take me and throw me away somewhere. Probably not likely because you got the Swedish embassy in front now. Calm down. So they talked to his father, Leonard, who we talked to earlier. He's convinced that his son is prepared to take the sentence and like a man. OK. That's what he says.

He says the interview that his son did, Kenneth did with the newspaper, the Expressen is a call for help. Yeah. He says he knows what he did was wrong. Kenneth does. The father says, quote, to me, it's proof that he wants to do something and is willing to accept the consequences of what he has done. He hopes his son will

read his appeal, maybe online from a computer somewhere. He says his quote to his son is, quote, give up, hand yourself over to the authorities. If you are afraid of the Thai police, contact the Swedish embassy and ask them to accompany you to the police. Me and your sister are willing to do anything to support you. I love you.

That's what he says. Do nothing that aggravates your situation. Exclamation point. Don't kill anybody else. Don't kill anybody. Don't piss anybody off. Go to the Swedish embassy and fucking go from there, asshole, which makes sense. Then they ask him, quote, your son has told how he brutally killed a woman.

How do you feel about it? Oh, great. He says, quote, I think it's horrendous. She must have a family or relatives who mourn terribly. The father has not heard from the son for more than 10 years. So, yeah, because he hasn't heard from his son. So this guy now, now his father's got to go in Thailand to do fucking newspapers, hasn't talked to him in 10 years.

He owes Brinks $50,000, stole money from the American Legion, killed a process, or from the Referee Association. American Legion. From the Referee Association. Right. Steals money from referees, kills shitloads of people in the Congo, brags about it. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. Especially the American Legion.

I feel bad for all these people jimmy especially the american legion i feel bad especially for them but not not nearly as bad as i feel for kenneth erickson these are all exact spelling really i could have had a million k's and all that shit two uh one k two s's that's what this is what it is kenneth erickson assistant building inspector at uh the municipality of uh&TO in the Raysborg area of Finland. I do feel bad for him. It's civil engineering. Kenneth Erickson, a controller at the University of Gothenburg. Kenneth Erickson, a detective chief sergeant of police in Finland.

What the shit. Absolutely, man. And finally, the one I feel the most bad for because I had to sift through everything. If you search for this guy, 90% of it's about this guy coming up. Kenneth Erickson, a Swedish-born World Rally Championship driver. So he's a famous Swedish athlete. I hope that guy fucked up so we can cover him, too. He didn't, actually.

He drove for Subaru, World Rally Team, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, and some vodka company. And he's got a few searches. He's got to deal with this shit. Thank God Skip Bayless doesn't cover hockey. Yeah, that fucking son of a bitch. Don't get me started, Jimmy. We're higher than him on the ratings. That's all I care.

Yeah, beating him feels so fucking good. Frosty-haired douche. So anyway, I have a worse rant than Skip Barrowless locked up for podcasting. But anyway, yeah, this poor Kenneth Erickson. If you search Kenneth Erickson Sweden, you're getting him pretty much exclusively. You have to really search for this guy. So March 1st, 2005, Kenneth walks into the Swedish embassy in Bangkok and says he wants to turn himself in to the Swedish embassy. They hand him over to the Thai police.

He shares his account of the night in question with them. He says after leaving, basically he says he picked her up. Erickson picked her up down at the beach there. They went to the hotel, got high, and got prepared to do some nastiness. They were in the shower together at the time because they were going to shower first and then get down. That's when she he says that she hit him and ran looking for his wallet. So he got out of the shower and ran after her and confronted her. He said that Erickson says that she can.

She threatened him with a shard of broken glass from the jar she threw down. Yeah. And Erickson said he rushed her and got her in a headlock. And he says, according to him, that the woman's neck snapped and it asphyxiated her. And he said it killed her immediately. But her head was smashed and she had a bunch of stab wounds. No, that's accounted for.

Also, usually prostitutes don't get clean to get dirty with you and then rob you. Like, they would take you falsely. Yeah, that's the thing. So this is all very, very crazy here. This is a bit hazy. So November 2006, he's going to, this is later on, he's been sitting there for a while, it's for a year, or for, you know, a little over, a little less than a year. Yeah.

He has the whole court, goes to court, Thai court. a year. He has the whole court, goes to court, Thai court. He is actually, he is found guilty of causing another person's death, causing another's death. It's not murder. It's a different thing. It's this sentence here. He's sentenced to imprisonment. We'll get into the actual prison sentence. But this here is, this is actually better for him. This is not murder would get you, can get you the death penalty, whereas this won't. They ruled that he murdered the prostitute

in the hotel room. And he says in court, he acknowledges he killed the woman, but he says it's inadvertently, he was under the influence of drugs and alcohol, and he's trying to throw himself on the mercy of the court. The court sentences him to 10 years and eight months.

They sentence him. What a deal. But they have the sentence. They cut it in half. So it's 10 and 4 or 5 and 4? Because he acknowledged the murder. What the shit? That is crazy.

Thailand, what the shit? You've got to wrap your fucking laws up. And nine months that he spent in custody awaiting the sentence is time served. So that counts toward that, too. So basically, four and a half years he's going to do here. Yeah. Wow. Unbelievable.

Let's find out what he says about it. In their own words, quote, I think it's nice that the court finds that I did not intend to kill someone, but it was an accident. Wow. I think it's nice. I think it's nice. It's really good. That's what he told the press. I don't think there's ever been a criminal in the history that after his sentence

I think it's nice. I think it's nice that they did that for me. It's really a nice deal. I feel welcome here now. I'm feeling better about myself. I think it's nice. I'm going to nice that they did that for me. It's really a nice deal. I feel welcome here now. I'm feeling better about myself. I think it's nice. I'm going to get out and I'm going to really do some great things for the community. I really am.

I'm going to do excellent things, which we'll get to that. Don't worry. Oh, my God. Don't worry. I think it's nice. You don't think he wants to give back, Jimmy? Come on. This guy's a saint over here.

All right. He says he won't appeal the verdict and he'll be. No, because he thinks it's nice. Yeah. And he and he'll apply as soon as possible to be able to serve a sentence in Sweden, if possible, if you can get to go there. The prosecutor, the prosecutor over there has a month to appeal because they can appeal the whole thing, too, and try to get it worse.

So we'll talk about prison in Thailand for a little bit. You ever been to a Thai prison? Never. Neither have I. Yeah. So we'll talk about prison in Thailand for a little bit. You ever been to a Thai prison, Jimmy? Never. Neither have I. Yeah. So he's in Thai prison. The situation over there is not great, as you might imagine. Thai prison would probably be shitty.

I imagine it smells. It's very tough. Basically, he has to bribe the prisoners with cigarettes to treat him better. He's also to a foreigner foreigner, which is not great. He doesn't speak the language. And so they're talking about trying to extend the prosecutor appeal. The prosecutor is still pushing for more prison time or the death sentence. Yeah.

So they want to appeal there. It happens. They take it up again. The former prosecutor who had been assigned is replaced with a new one. The other prosecutor accepted the sentence of five years, four months. But now this new one wants to, you know, wants to show who he is here. He wants to go, oh, hell no. Yeah.

There's some Swedish guy. Let's fucking kill this guy. This will make me look better. This guy's thinking, well, he acknowledged he killed this woman and he even hid the body. So we have a pretty good chance here about the prison. He says in their own words, quote, the prison I'm sitting in is, according to others, probably the worst in Thailand. I'm not being subjected to physical violence, but mentally it's tough to be here.

This is what he wrote in a letter to his family in Sweden. So January 2009, he's still sitting in this prison. He's waiting for this new trial, not knowing what's going to happen from it. The prosecutor says it was way too mild that he got this sentence and he should get the death penalty. It was nice. It was nice of him. It was very sweet, honestly. Very, very sweet.

He says he's written to the Swedish people to try to help him with the situation. He wants to get the trial over with. He's trying to get somebody to speed this up so he knows what the hell he's doing. He's sitting over there going, am I here forever? Are they going to kill me? Are they going to send me back to Sweden? What the fuck is going on here? So they're trying to, there's a relative of his in Sweden is sitting there and he's getting letters from him and there are presses talking to him.

And he says, quote, because he was sentenced to imprisonment for another's death, it is not reasonable for him to sit and wait more than two years for a new trial. That's of assassinated murder. That's the new trial. So he's like, he says the laws differ. But in Sweden, such an event would probably be classified as murder. Yeah, assassinated murder. It's so weird. And with the translations, it's so damn ridiculous.

Yeah, he's while he's doing this, he says there's no physical violence there. But there's I think he's saying that for his family because there's a here's a description of what happens here. This is from the actual Thai prison officials to some journalists. What happened to him? What's going on with Kenneth in prison? He sleeps directly on the cement floor. Oh, fuck. And is chained to shit around the clock. Uh, he's chained, uh,

the, uh, the one person who was a Swedish, uh, embassy person said, quote, he's completely broken, uh, completely broken. It's really sad. Another inmate said the same thing. Like this guy's completely broken the chair to sell with him. Now he goes to, when he went to a, uh, different part of the prison. His friend said, quote, it's hard to get in touch with him. He's just crying and talking about killing himself. He describes – this friend describes the conditions as unbearable. He said that Kenneth has been placed in the worst part of the prison.

He said he sits in a big cell, which is more like a giant cage with iron bars with over 1,000 other prisoners in there. But it's only four and a half years. It's nice. It's nice. It's great. Cell is divided into different sections. Guards are armed with automatic weapons, which is crazy that they bring automatic weapons in there. In his department, Kennett's, there's about 150 people, obviously watched all the time.

That's where he spends his days. There are 150 people. They have two toilets. Oh, no. Two toilets. And they're not like, you know, like a nice toilet. There are two holes in the floor. That's what they do in Asia. They're so full. Two holes in the floor to share with 150 people. Twice a day, there's access to water in a common wash basin. And that's the only way they can wash there's no showers or anything like that uh common wash basin so you're like splashing water on your asshole yeah that's it that's all you can do after you shit in a hole that you know has shit all around the rim of it yeah there's shit everywhere it's crazy man it's you know it's going to be, it's all over. People aren't having great aim when they're shitting into a hole.

His first night, apparently he got beaten really badly. Apparently the woman he killed had friends in the prison that knew her. I'm sure she did. Yeah, they said, quote, a big bunch whipped on him and took all that he brought with him, a bag of soap and shampoo.

So that was it here. And apparently he's, you know, like they said, he's a well-trained soldier and he's actually pretty tough guy. He's a hockey player and all that. But there was like 30 guys. Yeah. It doesn't have a chance. He said he could have managed some of the guys, his friend said.

But, you know, he couldn't have done all of anything. Yeah. It's ridiculous here. And also, too, he was asleep when they attacked him. They waited for him to fall asleep and attacked him. He never feels safe. And this is anything. When he goes in the visitor room to meet his lawyer in prison, he's watched by five armed guards with automatic weapons.

He's shackled around the ankles. He has a 20-centimeter chain, which is very short to walk. Yeah, it's crazy, man. Yeah, those chains are built for ladyboys, not for six-foot-something Swedish guys. Not for big Swedes here. Yeah, he said he got a wound in his foot, and it became really infected in there because it's gross in there. Walking around on the shit floor.

Oh, God, there's shit everywhere. There must be just fecal matter all over that place. They have double high barbed wire fences with the razor wire on top, which is pretty normal, standard, at least in America. They say, there's a quote here, quote, on the outside it looks modern, but on the inside it's like coming to hell. It's not clean. The prisoners are sleeping right on the dirty cement floor. Some have blankets, but Kenneth only has a water bottle as a pillow. That's how he's living.

And every time you move that crackle. Oh, yeah. Good God. I don't think it's like an arrowhead. Maybe he's got like a refillable, I would imagine. He would hope so. Give him one of these. He said the bad food leads to lots of diarrhea.

I'm sure. All these people have shitty, you know, just shits like crazy. Mosquitoes spread diseases. And they have no penicillin in the hospital. Really? In the prison also, yeah. It's, wow. You must apply for it.

What do you get, just some Tylenol? You have to apply for penicillin, and it takes at least one or two months before it arrives. So if you have anything that you need penicillin for, you're just going to die. You're dead from it anyway. You're either going to get cured or die, either one. He said the worst part's the mental stress. He's not told when his new trial's going to be. They filed for it, and it may take 18 months, may take, they don't have any idea.

It's crazy. It's nuts. You know he's looking every day at his watch or whatever the fuck timepiece they've got there. God damn. And looking back in his memory and going, if I wouldn't have taken that 50 grand off that bring straw. They made a sundial out of shit, I think. And a floor shit. There's a floor turd.

If I just didn't need thousand dollar shoes, I could be working at the... I would not be here. I could be making hydraulic fucking strombolis over there in Sweden. What the hell's going on here? We said, this is crazy, there's a police interview – there's a prison interview with him. They do an interview with him in prison.

He said that if he pled guilty, if he pleads guilty to the new trial, he'll have a life sentence. And if he pleads not guilty and goes to trial, he could risk the death penalty. So that's the – same option as like over here they've given him. He also says that 3 million baht would set him free immediately because the legal system will prevent any witness to show up at the hearing and he'll automatically be set free. So basically what they're saying, it's like an open form of bribery over there. They're saying, too, if you can gather 3 million baht,

we can just pay these people off and then that's it. We can go home. Yeah, that's fine, too. You can do that. 3 million baht. If he pays 1 million baht bot and this is like a standard thing this is like it's like a pricing sheet if he pays one million bot he has to serve two years and then he can be set free so this is like it's just like months like buying your way

out of the civil war or something uh he says he's fighting the it's it's hard to fight the legal system in thailand because you know they'll kill you quickly is one of those things they're they scared of it. And if they don't, the mosquitoes and the disease they carry with them. Yeah, the diarrhea and everything else. This is fucking bananas. It really is, man. He says, it's so funny, too, because he's still trying to say, like, I didn't even really

do anything. He says that the lady died more or less on her own instantly. Right. Just on her own. More or less. Her neck just snapped. And then her head smashed in and she stabbed herself a bunch of times. It happens. I'm starting to think this isn't nice.

Yeah, no shit, right? It says he can be transferred to Sweden as long as there's no final judgment on him. He cannot be moved to a better prison in Thailand. His father said he's super pissed off at how the Swedish embassy has handled this whole thing. They said they call there. They write the embassy. They promise. They tell him that they'll promise they'll find out what happens in the appeal and they'll listen.

But then he never gets an answer. They're laughing every time they hang up that phone. That was his dad again. He asked if we could get him out. It's him again. Jesus Christ. You got a better chance of putting that futon together, you fuck. Yeah, get the Allen key, asshole.

Oh, my God. Then he says, the father says that he's adapted reasonably to prison life. He said, quote, he is good at the prison camp because he is calm, the father said. He's not calm. He's not calm. He's getting beaten to sleep in a water bottle. He's dying. He's doing terribly.

Terribly. Also, too, he cannot work in the prison. Foreign prisoners may not work. Really? To get the, yeah, all they have to do, he cannot work in the prison. Foreign prisoners may not work. Really? To get the – all they have to do – he helps and builds – it says he builds football plans. I don't know what the fuck a football plan is. Maybe he's making hydraulic strombolis again. Yeah.

Yeah. Football plans or is – oh, he's also a judge when the Thai players play soccer. OK. That's what he can do. So he puts together like the games and then he watches. But he can't work. He the Thai players play soccer. Okay. That's what he can do. So he puts together the games and then he watches. But he can't work. He's not allowed to work. Yeah.

And the press service states that assistance was given and attorney's fees for his own lawyer as the death penalty was included in the penalty scale. So basically what they do is they'll get you a lawyer if you're up for the death penalty. It's like their public assistant. Their public assistant. Their public defendant. I think I said something wrong before. Defensor.

The hell is wrong with me today. I cannot speak. I need more sleep. That's all right. So he's just sitting over there in Thai prison, hanging out, watching the soccer game. You know what I mean? And he's just like, what do I do here? Maybe he takes a walk through the prison.

You know, he's wandering around. He sees like a little dark alley in there, just a little. There's a shadow and he looks in there. And you know who he sees? It's Estevez Jones, MMA fighter and 70s blaxploitation movie villain. Estevez Jones. And he says. Motherfucker, how is it you came to arrive here?

Man, what's wrong with you? You'd be killing... Motherfucker. You best not be killing no hoes around my neighborhood. You understand? Them hoes belong to me. I'm Estevez Jones. I run this motherfucker. You understand that, turkey?

He's from the 70s, man. He's turkey. Understand that, giant turkey? Oh, fuck? He's from the 70s, man. Understand that, Jive Turkey? Better not be selling no junk neither. Part of that comes back to me. You sell one thing, you kill a Thai prostitute, you bring a part of her back to me because I own

a piece of that. You understand me? I want the head. I want it on my mantle. White motherfucker. And then poof, in a cloud of a mink coat, he's gone. Estevez Jones. Gold chains and mink coats. Gone.

It's amazing, man. I think I like Estevez Jones. He's fun. Motherfucker. Motherfucker, how is it you came to arrive here? So in 2010, June 2010, he is released from that prison and he's being sent back to Sweden. So June 2010, his friend, a childhood friend named Michael Lund, I think, he said, quote, he called me on July 10th telling me he had been released, but he did not want to tell me where he was.

He was a little worried about how he will be treated after what has happened. Yeah, no shit. He was a little worried about how he will be treated after what has happened. Yeah, no shit. He is free and back. His father says yes, Kenneth is free and back in Sweden. He's planning a new life here. He says that several fucking long hot showers. Long ones. Man, it's gross. He's just

like, I stink like diarrhea so bad. I know I don't want Ty tonight. I see that. It's still on you. It's still on your leg. We'll go out, but we're having Italian. I don't want Ty. I got you don't want tie tonight. I see that. It's still on you. It's still on your leg. We'll go out, but we're having Italian. I don't want tie. I got you a nice stromboli. It's hydraulic. I like those. I can make them. They're good. So his friend here,

the Michael Lind guy, said he regularly kept in contact with him. He says that Kenneth plans to build a new life. He hopes to get a new job. He says he has been previously active as an ice hockey player and referee. I know he wants to start studying and gaining employment and maybe coaching. So if this guy was around, this is two years later, 2012, Mike Danton was playing for his

hometown team. So if he volunteered to help his hometown team two years after he got back, which is completely possible. So possible. So possible. He hung out with Mike fucking Danton. What are the odds those two are ever going to meet? Holy shit. Wow.

How hilarious that he could have warned him and been like, hey, Mike, by the way, if you ever go to Thailand, don't fuck up there. The diarrhea is bananas. Horrific. It's crazy. It is wild shit. It's crazier than chopping up a hooker in a hotel room. Now, he is even crazier than that.

It's so much crazier. Even crazier than cutting two suitcases apart and putting them together. It's fucking nuts. So he was deported from Thailand, obviously obviously which I'm sure he wanted to go. He's completely off the radar. His friends and family will not tell anybody where he lives, where he is. They want him to be left alone. He's very

he feels very well. He's also since he's been back home he's been receiving treatment for a litany of mental health issues. Oh I'm sure. Which I'm sure he got not only from nine years in combat but also five years in a Thai prison sitting on a water bottle

and shitting in a hole. He's probably got permanent physical ailments, too. Well, that, too. And also, too, drug addiction because they still did drugs in Thai prison because they still had them

because I'm sure you can bribe anybody down there for, you know, a million baht gets you out of a fucking... Right. You know, they'll release you. And you have no baht,

but you have a mouth. Put this in it. You've got a mouth, yeah. Do that, exactly. But, yeah, he's've got a mouth. Yeah, I'm going to do that. Exactly. But, yeah, he's hoping to get straight, and he says his dream is to volunteer as a minor league hockey coach. Some of his former teammates. So, God, I hope he played for Mike Denton. I really do.

But that, all that we've explained, is not the craziest shit I found about this guy. There is a B here. There is something here. There is, at abovetopsecret.com. They have a – it's just this crazy conspiracy site. It's all about MKUltra and mind control programs and shit and like assassin control programs and all this crazy shit. Okay. There is an article on here, an article, a big thing that they wrote.

It's like a thesis. Like they have – like you would write for college. It's called the Erickson Files. Oh boy. And they talk about a woman named Sabrina Erickson and her sister Ursula Erickson because they were the focus of a documentary called Madness in the Fast Lane

which had an incident of both of them attempting suicide on a busy road despite the presence of police officers. What the fuck? And the evidence presented by the documentary is ambiguous they say and they think it's a cover story for something more sinister more sinister than being psychologically imbalanced that they are both in fact monarch programmed agents on a failed assassination mission so they were going to kill themselves because their mission

didn't go well because that's what they're supposed to do. It says, quote, I put forth that the two sisters were en route to complete an assassination on a human target in London, and their mission failure resulted in their alter triggering a suicide program. Okay. Okay. Now, the goals of this paper, it says the goals are, quote, that the Erickson sisters are mind controls, that their actions indicate involvement in covert assassination mission, that a cover story was set up to divert attention from further scrutiny.

Objectives are to identify similar cases of assassination in history, to identify their movements and examine the nature of their program motivation. This says, you know, they're named Erickson, but what does this have to do with him? Well, he's involved in this too. What? They have him in there. Swedish murderer that avoided the death penalty, Kenneth Erickson, 46, returned to Sweden after a five-year prison sentence for manslaughter in 2005. They have a little thing here about it.

I'll just go over it quick. They say, quote, her head had been smashed and it was estimated she had been dead for three days. The man who discovered the body, that worker, blah, blah, blah. They talk about all that. Saw a head sticking out of the bag. Now, their, this is, holy shit. This is crazier than anything. Their theory is, quote, while the target might not have been a high profile politician, it cannot be discounted that mind control was involved.

It is important not to forget that most of the public are unaware of such extensive mind control programs and many more could not distinguish one type of polyfragmentation from another. Thusly, it becomes just another news story and soon easily forgotten. What the fuck? They think that a meth head, scumbag con artist meth head. Ex-hockey player. That took too much meth and accidentally maybe killed a Thai prostitute was actually. Mind controlled. A London based monarch, a fucking monarch controlled assassin program that they needed to have a scumbag criminal ex minor league hockey player kill a street transient Thai prostitute.

That's what the government's there for. That's amazing. Wow. If that's your fucking conspiracies man like i like conspiracy theories they're fun but what the fuck does that do for anybody that does nothing holy shit that is kenneth erickson and a crazy story of a dead pride tie sex worker and everything else he's either an ex an ex minor league hockey player who stole and embezzled and then became hooked on fucking meth and murdered a hooker. Or he's a subject of mind control.

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It's ridiculous. Three for the rest of the fucking year. And this is in addition to us having not been paid since February for the fucking ads that we did before that. February. It's fucking September right now. It is fucking September. And we have asked them. And I'm telling you guys this because if you don't give a shit about this, thanks for listening.

Have a good one. Don't let the door hit you. Bye. But if you've been following us for a long time and you know our whole struggle here, okay, let me tell you something. We have begged these people, sell us fucking ads. We need money. We need money. And it's not like you can't sell ads.

Guess what? I looked on the chart and I looked at these motherfuckers' roster. We are their number one motherfucking podcast. Are you serious? Number one. They do not have one person above us, yet they can't sell us ads. They can't sell ads for us. Tell you what, motherfuckers,

there's two things then. Either you are the most incompetent son of a bitches on the face of the fucking earth, and if that's the case, let us out of our fucking contract, or you're doing it on purpose and taking food out of our fucking kids' mouths,

which is even worse, which means I not only want to be let out of my contract, I want to beat the shit out of you also. Either way, that's what's going on. We're getting fucked over hard by these people. Every day. It's true. We make shit. The last dime we got was for February, and that was $200 fucking dollars.

Literally. Yeah. That's what we've made. We made $200 fucking dollars. Literally. That's what we've made. $200 from that podcast total. Not from you guys. Just from sponsors and all the ads you've heard. If you've listened to us, you've heard ads all year. All that shit you've endured.

All that shit. We have been paid a grand total for 2017 about $350. That's the fucking money we've gotten. That's what we're saying. Isn't that kind of them about $350. That's the fucking money we've gotten. That's what we're saying. Isn't that kind of them? $350 for eight months,

eight full months, and ads, and being number one in the fucking ratings and not for nothing, if you add all that up, I make eight cents an hour. I make less than a Thai prostitute that's found in a fucking bag. How does that make everybody feel? James can't even afford the bag to fucking get killed in.

Fuck, I couldn't go next door and buy two suitcases. That's honestly what I thought. If I killed a Thai prostitute, I'd be shit out of luck because I wouldn't have the fucking money to go next door and buy two nylon suitcases to put their dead ass in. Thanks for everything, Dicks. So what we're trying to say is thank you guys for being the only fucking people that treat us properly. The ones that legitimately care. Yes, that care. And then also that feel like people work their asses off and give an entertaining product.

Maybe they should make something off of it. Maybe they shouldn't do it for free and not sleep and work 60 hours a fucking week on these podcasts, which is how much I work on this. I know you work a ton answering people back and doing all that shit, too. It's fucking crazy. It's bananas. It is. The amount of work that goes into these things and the little reward that's given. And that's why we're telling you guys how much we appreciate you.

That's all we're saying is thank you. This is a thank you. This isn't for you guys. That was a thank you. Yeah. That's my thank you. You sounded like a dad telling a kid how much they're a piece of shit. And they're being like, do you understand that I'm telling you I love you. Yeah. That's my thank you. You sounded like a dad telling a kid how much they're a piece of shit. And they'd be like, do you understand that I'm telling you I love you?

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. No, it's not you guys. Because we're not aiming it at you. No, you guys are the best. We're aiming it at the fucking assholes that fuck with us. We're saying if it wasn't for you, we would be fucked and we wouldn't be able to do this anymore. We couldn't do it anymore because I'd have to go, you know, I'd be working some shit job trying to do comedy

on the side and it wouldn't work on this. It just wouldn't work. So thank you guys. You can help us out even more by going to iTunes. As you know, iTunes,

please give us five stars following instructions, following directions. If you would like to make a donation, you don't have to, like we said, but if you feel like

you want to throw us something because we're fucking getting screwed over left and right, or just because you're enjoying the show, that's fine, too. That's the whole point. That's the main point. You can go to patreon.com slash crimeinsports, and you can make that donation.

Or you can go to PayPal and make a one-time donation using our email address, crimeinsports at gmail.com. If you would like to get a hold of us on social media, you can do that on all the platforms, Instagram and Twitter, at Crime and Sports. On Facebook, facebook.com slash crimeandsports. And the aforementioned crimeandsports at gmail.com. Jimmy has a list of some amazing people who are our saviors. They're the people that have found us in a suitcase under a tie thicket and given us money and helped us out so much. So, Jimmy, why don't you hit us with that list of the most wonderful people in the world?

Before we do that, if you want to support us further and you're in the L.A. area, come out to the Hollywood Improv October 7th, the 8 p.m. show. Dan Cummins, James, and I will be there providing you with dick jokes and laughables. So come out and hang with us. Dick jokes aplenty. If you're in L.A. or you have friends near L.A., tell everybody because we want to pack it with crime and sports, small town murder, and time suck fans and friends. Yeah, let's do it, guys. Because you guys are the ones that are going to get us and have the most fun with us anyway. So come do that.

Anybody that's out in Houston, we're thinking about you guys. I don't know how to say that. You sound like an asshole with the thoughts and prayers. Yeah, it's true. Like Joel we're thinking about you guys. I don't know how to say that. You sound like an asshole with the thoughts and prayers. Yeah, it's true. Like Joel Osteen's dumbass. But listen, we really care about you guys and I hope you're all being safe. And like we said in Small Town Murder also, if you're worried about Texas and you're worried about Texas

never bouncing back, don't you worry. In a month's time, they'll be hating Mexicans and everyone will hate each other again. It's perfectly fine over there, so don't worry about it. They're going to other again. It's perfectly fine over there. So don't worry about it. They're going to be okay. They're tough people down there.

That's what it is. Give it two months. The Texans will already be out of the playoffs and Dallas will be fighting. Those fans will be cutthroat against each other. It's a horrible dust bowl. If they can survive that, they're going to plug through this and they're going to be just stronger on the other side. Because that's what Texas is about right there.

You know what I mean? So Chase Malden. Those Texans are tough people. Chase Malden and Chris Imes down there. Fucking keep toughing it out, guys. Yeah, man. We respect the shit out of you guys. Thank you guys for listening.

We really appreciate it. Definitely. Diane McCann, Danielle Auer, Carrie Gibbons, Matt Newberg, Chris Ann Costaldi sent us a nice donation. Thank you, Chris Ann. Python Cricket, for all your cricket needs out in England, they sent us a nice donation. Yes, pythoncricket.com. Meg Dainty.

Melissa Hoover. Was it Hoover? I think it is Hoover or Huber. I can't remember. I can't tell if that's a V that I wrote. I think it's a V. I'm an asshole. Taisha J.

Hey, Why the Face is a pretty good name if you're donating money to us Rachel Powers, Colton Smith Lindsay Dryest or Dreesed or Dreesed, Dreesed, Lindsay thank you Lindsay, James M. Hooper Zach Oberg, Lindsay Harpin You're batting a thousand there Jimmy

Doing great. I'm going to pronounce it every way possible. Jen E Kristen, ah shit Kristen Stukowski. Thank you, Kristen. Nikki Thatcher. Fucking hell. Mary J. Menhir. It's not right.

Just tweet me and tell me I'm an asshole. I know it. Martin Ramsauer. Rebecca Porch. Mike McNamara. Tamsin Hunter. Laura Cole. Michelle Long.

Mark O'Reilly, Monica Robertson, Matt DeFilippo, Alexis DeVries, Fiona Crisp, Dirk Halle, Elizabeth Luby, Matthew, no, it's not Matthew, it's Adam. How did I say Matthew? That's not even close, Jordan. That's fucking terrible. Adam Lemmer, Virginia. Mary Virginia Avery. And Adrian P.

You guys are why we're doing this. You guys are the ones that are listening. You guys are the ones that give a shit. You guys are the ones that are supporting us because fucking I can't tell you the list that's small of people that are. So thank you guys. The list that's long of people that are. You're the best, guys. Whatever.

You get what I'm saying. Thank you all so, so much. If you want to interact and give a shit about calling me an asshole, go to Twitter or Instagram or Snapchat, at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks, and then I'm on fucking Facebook also. Thanks. You guys have been amazing this week. Thank you so, so much. We really appreciate you.

Definitely. You can follow me at JimmyPIsFunny, or if you want to get crazy, try to spell my last name. It's fun. Best of luck. Or you can just copy and paste it from the show description. Make it a drinking game. Come on. Yeah, see how many L's are in there. You don't know. Is there one? Is there two? Maybe there's three. You don't know if one's silent. Guess how many I's, E's, and A's there are.

Come on. You can do it. Either way, do that. Follow us. It's a good time. We've had a blast. This has been a wild story, guys. Thank you. This is really the best part of our week. So we hope that we can provide even a portion of that experience to you guys. I'm telling you guys, thank you so much. Live from the Crime and Sports Studios.

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