Crime in Sports - #88 - Flexing His Murder Muscle - The Unthinkableness Of John Riccardi

Episode Date: October 10, 2017

This week, we explore a story without much sports, but with plenty of nasty, lowdown, dirty crime. He was an amateur bodybuilder, a con man, a hustler, a cat burglar, and a cold blooded killer. His obsession with a girlfriend leads him to unimaginable places. Places like stalking, threatening, breaking in & holding a teenager at gunpoint... and worse. So much worse. This story has it all. Tragedy, an idiot, trying to pretend that he's something he's not, and a famous result of the horrific circumstances. It's a wild ride, so strap in!!Give yourself a "cool" first name, threaten complete strangers, and be the cause of untold heartache with John Riccardi!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at...patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] tickets to Crime In Sports LIVE in Chicago on December 14 at http://www.lh-st.com/Shows/12-14-2017+Crime+In+Sports+LiveGet tickets for the LIVE Small Town Murder on the same night athttp://www.lh-st.com/Shows/12-14-2017+Small+Town+Murder+LiveCheck out or site: truecrimecomedyteam.comAll web support by Web and Writerwebandwriter.com or Facebook.com/webandwriterContact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My name is James Petrigallo. I am here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us this week on another exciting edition of Crime and Sports. God, we're excited this week. I do want to say real quick before we get started here, if we sound a little bit different than normal uh we are not in our normal studio this isn't it this is not it no this is a tiny for now on we are no we're in a tiny hotel room in glendale california uh performing with dan cummins of the wonderful time suck podcast which you should listen to it's fantastic uh he is he's fantastic. He's so great.

He's such a great person. He's loaned us his recording. We would not have a show this week if it wasn't for Dan. Our studio's time got completely screwed up, and we had to go out of town to perform with him at the Hollywood Improv tonight. And he gave us a suitcase full of stuff, and he's the best. So listen to TimeSuck do that. But we apologize if we don't sound the same as we normally do i don't know what the acoustics are in this in this

hotel room we didn't have time to test them and we didn't have time to test them we literally have to get this in and get somewhere else it's crazy so uh we're doing the best we can with what we have with what we have and we promise next week back in the studio we won't we won't leave you guys again big announcement here big announcement we gave a teaser last week but december 14th of this year 2017 correct ad yes we of the crime and sports podcast and also small town murder are will be in chicago doing a live show at lincoln hall lincoln hall uh we will do a uh an episode of small, we will do an episode of Small Town Murder and then an episode

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plus we're going to put some visuals into it too, which is a lot of fun. We did it at South by Southwest and it went over pretty cool. It went over pretty well. It's fun. It's a good time.

So it's going to be a blast. We're going to have a good time. We're going to meet everybody, take pictures, and have fun and talk to people. We can't wait. So's a good time. So it's going to be a blast. We're going to have a good time. We're going to meet everybody, take pictures, and have fun and talk to people. And we can't wait. So get online right now. You can get your tickets. What's that address, Jimmy?

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or nothing it's up to you guys honestly we're here and we're gonna put the show out either way but uh we would appreciate it so all that aside yeah jimmy never mind all of that let's get down to business skip the windy city for now skip it i can't wait to be there but right now we have to focus it's gonna be cold we have to focus on some scum right now jimmy let's let's bullseye you know we need this gum is warm it's going to be warm inside it's going to be warm in lincoln hall we're going to get it heated up there uh but this let's get into the crime here uh like i said there's not a lot of uh sports here today now some of this episodes you get a lot of sports and i had a long career we talk about that too stats and this and that this you're getting nothing okay this is a straight this is straight asshole crime from

start to finish all right so this will be fun this is a a little uh aside for us here let's talk about a guy named john alexander ricardi okay okay john alexander ricardi we're gonna know him as dean through the episode here we're gonna call him dean why exactly no fucking idea he's gonna go by dean what the fuck i feel like it's i feel like it's for a reason okay he's born in 1936 this is james petrogallo uh we're gonna call him ted we're gonna it makes no sense uh i i have a theory i have a theory on this okay he's born in 1936 in new york okay uh ricardi he's an italian guy i can relate to this yeah uh it's funny too because i know somecardis, and that's a very common last name.

Yeah. Very, very common last name. But he's born in New York in 1936. So think about when James Dean was popular. Okay. How old was he? Late teens. Around that same time.

Late teens. So that's a cool name if you grew up then. Okay. Dean. Dean? Now, also, he grows up in new york but he moves out to california okay he moves out to california southern california yeah uh so i feel like he's trying to reinvent himself and if you're john i am john the gin from back east day

i worked at my uncle's pizza place so that's not cool. John McCarty. Back in New York, that's like Tom Smith. It's exactly. But if you're Dean and you're in California, you can put a different spin on it. You can be anybody you want. Roll some cigarettes up in your sleeve and buy a leather jacket. Especially if you're a con man. You can really do that. That's the other thing.

If you're a con man and uh you know just a general uh criminal yeah you also might want to have a an alias yeah and be just hey reinvent yourself fuck it have some fun let's have some pretend time what do you say oh for fuck's sake not enough adults are pretending out there jimmy i think that's what we need here there's a little pretend time and old dean here he's pretending okay uh he heads out to venice beach either beautiful yeah nice southern california because he's he's very much into the bodybuilding scene he's an amateur bodybuilder he's very much into that so muscle beach it's a bodybuilding our guy's a bodybuilder so i'll put it that way we're not going to get a lot of sports because

this was in the 70s he's a bodybuilder and he did he's like an amateur bodybuilder and does some amateur stuff amateur competitions but this is not well documented okay mid-70s amateur bodybuilding competitions from 40 years ago and write that down online not a big deal didn't happen it's odd he wasn't he wasn't changing his wikipedia page yeah he doesn't even have a wikipedia page this guy actually, which is interesting. Once posed on Muscle Beach. Yeah, oils himself up very well. Regularly. Gets 100% oil coverage all on his own.

That's a stat, I think, for bodybuilders. That's a good one. I'd be impressed with that if you can get to middling with that. What's your oil coverage? What's your oil coverage, buddy? It's like, what do you bench? What about you? What do you bench?

What do you curl? What's your oil coverage situation? How could you do that? do you bench? What about you? What do you bench? What do you curl? And, you know, what's your oil coverage situation? How could you do that? I spread it on a bed and roll around in it. How else would you get your bag? What are you, 82? I'm 84. We should get together.

You can fill in my, you fill in my 16, I'll fill in your 18, and we're going to be 100%. You can get my spine. That's beautiful. So they're going to take care of each other. It's Venice Beach, and that area, too, all around. He goes to different gyms. He's known as a personable guy too he's he's one of these guys too it's hard to explain all these guys if you're not from back there but like some of these guys some of these italian new york guys they're just talkers yeah and in a way where they're i don't

know what it is they can talk people around in circles it's how they're full talkers yeah and in a way where they're i don't know what it is they can talk people around in circles it's how they're full of shit to fucking protect them but it's not even that he's it's just some it's a weird thing and to people back east that's just an annoying asshole yeah where you're like oh christ this guy never shuts the fuck up but when you go out of that area when people haven't seen it they think maybe the person's dynamic yeah they don't get that they're just never shut the fuck up and they're kind of annoying and they're pretty much full of shit yeah because like i don't know where they're from it's not really nobody's really like that so i feel like there's something to be said about being able to lie to when looking in someone's eyes yeah you know it's it's when i know what the worst but whenever you hear

this and we hear it about killers on both of our shows and all that whenever you hear someone say i believed him he looked me in the eye and told me they didn't do it right that doesn't mean anything and i'm not to anybody it means it shouldn't mean shit to you that's that's that's someone knows they need to make eye contact when they lie right good liars know that and so if someone's a liar they probably are practiced at it and they're going to know that and that's where this guy is zero emotion zero regret doesn't care about anything that's how you fucking get away with a lie that's how you get away with lies so i feel like when you go outside and i like i said i hate to throw my own uh my own people

here under the bus but there's a there's a certain something with that and i i can't stand those guys like i really can't growing up whenever those guys are around i shut down i get just super quiet and i'm just like i just i can't lays over i can't take it like i just it's so fucking annoying when someone comes in and they're loud and not in a fun way no but they're acting like it's a fun way but it's calculated there's something missing inside them and there's a con going and there's a game being played i can't stand that because there's so much of that for them somewhere yeah they're looking at personal just approval of people which is like my dad's like that where he just has to have people like him

and he's a bullshitter yeah when you when you're you got a little of that in you too a little bit yeah genetics genetics are a motherfucker you didn't know your dad till later but genetics are a son of a bitch you don't do it in a bad way though that's the thing he does it to just like just have people love him yeah and you're genuinely interested in people like some kind of fucking weirdo yeah it's super weird. I don't get it. Wow, I don't know where you get that from. It's depressing. I'm like, where's my closet?

I'm not in here. Maybe it's because I'm trying to just make sure that everybody else feels shitty like I do. I don't know what it is. You're feeling terrible? Yeah. Always. Fucking every day. Not you. You're asking people.

How do you feel? Good? Bad? You feel shitty too, right? You hate yourself? Good? Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. people how you feel good you feel shitty too right you hate yourself good tell me tell me tell me uh

this guy here i think he's got a little bit of that a little bit of the the game he can talk and also too he's uh he knows how to he knows how to be scary yeah also he's got this that's the fucking that's another level of of of something missing that you need to not just tell people all about you and and relate to them but you have to make them fear you and that's fucking terrifying that's some gangster shit and back and back on everywhere but this specific type i know very well about that because they're very personable they're very you know they're very gregarious they get along everybody's buddy but then they're they flip on a dime and they're you know they're uh scary yeahious they get along everybody's buddy but then they're they flip on a dime and

they're you know they're uh scary yeah and they can be quiet and scary and it's that's our predator because they're sick son of a bitch that's what it is uh so this guy though he's he's at the gym he's always just hanging out he's a gym rat in the 70s in california which it sounds like probably had a good time you know what i mean before they started shaving i was just gonna say that and just he is knee deep in giant muffs reeking of suntan lotion and uh not even to baby oil back then they weren't even put spf fucking negative 25 just like a magnifying glass of a liquid magnifying that's what they buy liquid magnifying glass you put it on and you have cancer in three minutes. It's great.

And then two weeks or two years later when they realize that that makes... Your body sweat is amplified when you put body fucking baby lotion on. You got to mask that. You got to put that pina colada scent in. That's it. There you go. And smell like a Hawaiian tropic model. And then you smell...

Yes. Then you smell like a Hawaiian whorehouse. And then here you are. Yeah here you are yeah uh yeah with a giant pineapple you want to fuck and this guy yeah and this guy trying to try and a pilf a pilf and uh and this guy trying to bullshit you yeah uh it's funny that this whole uh scene this whole kind of uh bodybuilding scene in the 70s was a real like there there's a clear delineation between people who uh just go to the gym and work out a little bit and want to be in shape and and these like gym rat bodybuilder people isn't it strange too that like if you just go to the gym to work out a little bit and be in shape that it that uh lengthens your life like you go to sometimes make yourself live a little

longer whereas these guys like this shortens it oh god yeah they're doing weird shit to their body that was never intended at all everything they say about uh things in moderation they're not playing especially and including exercise no it is there can't be out there running miles and and and dead lifting a volkswagen and expecting that shit's not going to break your body down that's the yeah you see people i it's so funny like people jog all the time and some of our favorite listeners listen when they jog linda prost hello she's always listening to us while she runs marathons and things like that i don't know what the hell you people are doing out there i really don't understand at some point it's damage it's not helping you you're you're destroying your knees from i'm like a tall guy like i see anything that could hurt your knees i'm like oh you're just gonna mess your knees up

because i've had riding them i've had bad knees since i was 12 so you know growing just destroyed my knees basically too fast so it's i see that and i'm like god what the fuck are you people doing i can't do anything that's not i can't do a sport that's not like or not even a sport i can't i i can't exercise unless there's a competition. Physical activity is great, but I have to have a point. You know what I mean? Like if I was going to ride an exercise bike, you have to be next to me and we have to be racing. Or we have to be like there has to be something like that.

Like I'll play basketball for five hours and that's fine. But I'm not getting on a stairmaster for six minutes because i'm just so fucking bored alone in a room i can't do it there's just no motivation for it and i just after three pumps of it i'm like okay and i'll just wander off somewhere i can't take it on the elliptical that's my gig is that i i get up i want that's how i watched all of it sunny oh good and i did that on the elliptical every goddamn night for three weeks and now it's becoming like a habit that i want to go but at first same thing that it's yeah if there's nothing there's nobody to talk to and there's nothing to watch like i can't do cardio no at all that's not

a that's no i i need i need competition to make it right whether competition or a point or a point either one is fucking either one works for me though otherwise i wasn't watching well good then happy for the elliptical now you get some references maybe i'll maybe i'll do that and watch the fucking wire yeah by the way that that made me crazy everybody hears me uh talk about the wire constantly hbo tweeted at at the podcast and then said we hear wisman sucks we hear you haven't heard the wire yet and i'm like this motherfucker does nothing to earn a mention of any kind he literally does nothing he literally shrugs his shoulders and go i don't know i didn't see it even though you've been telling me for fucking years to watch it does nothing hbo's like hey i am pumping this out to hundreds of thousands

of people every week making fucking references and they're like for two million hey asshole hey this shit bag hasn't watched this yeah it makes me crazy so hey hbo go fuck yourself fuck you hbo kiss my fucking ass reference bullshit ever again fuck you you're getting no wire references i'm not making any larry sanders references sopranos deadwood i had deadwood next it was all lined up for deadwood references once you watch the wire yeah you're got that one. I've watched it too. Yeah, you're never going to watch that either, even though I gave you the DVDs. You're not going to fucking watch it. I've got it sitting there waiting for me. Yeah, so I'm going to make references about that once you finally watch The Wire in 10,

12 years. We'll see. So this guy, back onto this Riccardi here, Dean, he's going to these gyms. And like I was saying, there's a definite delineation because these are the people who are at the gym from nine to five yeah like these aren't the these aren't the evening warriors yeah these are like i was reading a bunch of articles about this culture basically because there's not a lot like i said in terms of amateur in terms of like statistics to give so i'm trying to figure out what this guy was doing

and get in his world yeah and uh there's a there's this reporter who does like you know kind of uh i'm gonna go in and be live this life for a minute. One of those and he was a like under crap. Yeah. Undercover. But not even an expose. Just yeah, just I'm going to go live this. And because it was like a culture. So he's like, hey, it's like a report on this culture. Just see what these people are doing.

People like, hey, they see people working out on Venice Beach all the time and that sort of thing. And this guy was like he said i went to my amazement i walked into gold's gym one morning at 10 a.m and the gym was completely crowded what not a machine not a not a weight to be available nothing available and everyone's like it's not just people dicking off either like these guys are fucking working like there's you know they have a competition tomorrow terrible life and he said i looked around and said to myself does anybody work yeah that's does any of these people work that's what they're doing that's what they're doing they're working

now but if you're not doing competitions and making money which 90 of them aren't you have to be a fucking scammer like this guy all right to live this lifestyle this guy has to be a con artist make money a burglar yeah he's a prolific burglar, this guy. Absolutely like a top-tier cat burglar of the highest order, this guy. Yeah, he's a scumbag. He's a liar. He's a burglar. And there's way worse he is also. It's coming.

This is a fucked-up story involving some interesting people and a surprise that you're going to go, holy shit. So he's spending all day at the gym. All day at the gym. And then spending all night robbing, stealing, really oh he likes the women too he likes women oh yeah come on he likes women he likes out there with a new york accent that's as far he's why do you think he's calling himself dean yeah he's calling himself dean for the ladies yeah john be fine back oh i am john how you doing that's fine for a guy with the ladies hey i'm dean he's gonna be fucking dean it's different uh that's the other thing too like he'll cover up

his accent sometimes and pull that off that's a trick we pull once in a while all right we'll pull that off so you don't know that's an interesting thought though like why do that because because people think of you a certain way when you have a certain accent and prejudice to people from new york but from everywhere any accent it's not just that you hear a southern accent if you hear someone go hey how you doing you're like you're a dipshit whether they're not or that guy he could have been he could be the smartest fucking guy in the world he could have a doctorate in physics and you're a dipshit because you have that accent and same thing with the fucking you someone goes hey how you doing you're like this fucking mook you know

what I mean like Jesus Christ yeah all right with your fucking paco rabban get the fuck back you know what i'm saying like a couple less sprays next time easy on the pump handle guy that sort of thing but uh yeah it is what it is so he's doing this uh he dates a lot of women in the area tons of women he's all over the place dates very attractive women too yeah and think about this in the late 70s here he is over 40 years old he's 42 43 44 he's dating 22 year olds 23 year olds very attractive women models that sort of thing it's la i mean he's out there and in that yeah if you can talk a good game that you've got to have a fucking bank roll to impress a girl and have a good talk a good game too that's the thing his bank roll is uh he he has short bursts of money

he's not a guy who has a big estate and all that but he'll have a pocket full of cash he'll have you know it'll be flashy because he's a fucking burglar and his life comes in scores basically yeah it comes in scores so i mean hey good score last night but also got a party tonight yeah can't see it that's the thing not only that it's it's just it's like you know watch goodfellas you know it's henry hill talking about that old thing it's right it comes in it goes out you're henry you got to keep it going god i love that goddamn movie yeah fairly recently yeah he did a couple years ago yeah for a minute and when you said that too i pictured ray leota ray leota's fine i mean his skin isn't but the rest of him is fine yeah what a piece of shit he's he's fucking dead he's dead he's dead. He's dead, yeah.

But anyway, 1980, he finds a woman that he likes here. He finds a woman. Dean finds Connie. She is Constance Hopkins Navarro is her name. They begin dating about 1980. She goes by Connie. So we're going to call her Connie. How cool is that that her first name has Con in it?

Yeah, right? It's perfect. It is perfect. She's being Connie'd. Yeah, he's going to Connie her good. Connie. How cool is that that her first name has Con in it? Yeah, right? It's perfect. It is perfect. She's being Connie'd. He's going to Connie her good over here. She attended high school. She graduated in 1956. I'm sorry. She graduated in 1960

from high school. She was a swimmer in high school. That sort of thing. They have something from her yearbook, is funny her 1956 yearbook or when she was a freshman yeah uh suppress it's the one of the categories they ask is there's like a little you know everybody has like a answer a couple questions suppressed desire what in 1956 what are you asking that suppressed desire you can't ask 14 year old girls what their

suppressed desire is on paper that's fucking creepy that is the president of the yearbook who can i fuck like which one of these will say that their suppressed desire is i love giving blow jobs and i can't do it i wouldn't possibly i feel like uh i feel like back then it might not have back then you'd just be like, hey, feeling pretty gay today. And everyone would be like, great, good for you, pal. That's good. Well, now you'd say it too. You wouldn't care.

But you would think he's happy to suck cock. That's what he's happy about. Not I'm happy to be alive. Or maybe he's happy to be alive and sucking cock. We're not saying that. I'm sure he's thrilled to suck cock. What we're talking about is just to be happy gay. So the 50s, everything's different.

So suppressed desire might just be thrilled for the sock what do you want to do with your life but you don't want to tell anybody what's you know that sort of thing yeah what do you take into the sock hop you know uh her suppressed desire is to understand algebra jesus so she's a nice girl you know simple here uh her ambition is to be successful in college okay and this is weird expression i don't know why expression it just says i can't do it is her answer it sounds to me like that's 50s america i'm screwed up here i have to wear this poodle on my fucking skirt every day yeah no shit right and i hate it i fucking i'm allergic to dogs is bullshit. She completes school in 1960. She completes school. She works a little bit as a model.

She's a very pretty blonde woman. She's very pretty. You could see her, you know, especially like 60s. You look at her and go, yeah, that's like 60s model looking woman. You know what I mean? Like she has that 60s look. Yeah. Like not like a hippie, but like that mid 60s.

Like she should have go-go boots on type of look. You know what I'm saying? And her name's Constance. And and her name's that's very i'm picturing the guys from fucking trading places constance fry yeah exactly yeah it's awful was that made up for that movie by the way or was that some sort of song that everybody's supposed to know it seems like never fucking we didn't go to boarding school either we've those those were upper crust fuck bags like we talked about fucking last week you know what i mean yeah those were complete douchebag what a horrible song it was yeah those were like don't love it those were those guys where they had pipes

and what did they say at any time anytime you call she's a whore did you just call yes they're calling her constance will fulfill your needs winter spring or fall anybody can fuck her at any time constance and let's see you and we're gonna sing it like in this to the whole lobby of the country club that's that was that was their idea of a joke and also their way of paying homage to a wonderful person not to mention they harmonize like a motherfucker over here it's like a doo-wop group somebody comes in with like a burning oil barrel places it in the middle except for doo-wop groups that are not a doo-wop group they were like a fucking barber or like they had like cardigans on they were like dion's backup band a doo-wop group actually fucking pays respect to people these guys are just being assholes

sweet girl a slut they were dion's backup band singing about run around sue fucking jesus christ holy christ that whining motherfucker that's a guinea another one by the way we had to hide by the way do you guys realize that do you know like look at all the 50s songs you can play a game if you put on pandora put on 50s rock and roll and play black or guinea because every single song is a black guy or a guinea every single one uh and none of them sound like that because they all have very uh white sounding names you know what i mean it's because fucking this bible belt wouldn't buy that shit it's true it's funny but that's greasy guinea or some black guy yeah dion's a and it tre alan alda you know what alan alda's real name is you know what it is alphonse diab? You know what it is? Alphonse Diabruzzo.

That's his fucking name. Alphonse Diabruzzo. I love Alan Alda, but if I ever met Alan Alda, we wouldn't discuss anything about his work or his life. I'd go, hey, Alphonse, what the fuck are you covering up for? I get it when you first started, but fucking what about now? I think you're famous. I think you made it. I think maybe you could go, hey, guess what, everybody?

I'm actually a fucking guinea hardcore italian super italian alphonse dia bruzzo maybe you could have helped you know pave the way for people with names like i don't know petra gallo you fucking asshole i've had to put a menu up every time i've eaten spaghetti because i didn't want you fucks to catch on yeah you son of a bitch you go i don't know what this is how do you pronounce that so connie works as a model like i said she looks like uh a model uh horrible she was uh on the early prices right show actually if she made a couple appearances uh being one of the spokes people like when it first first started yeah they wouldn't use the same people that shitty tv that you're bitten on yeah you would present you yeah there'd be like a washing machine and she would

like put her hand up and down it and smile and go like that she was sexually assaulted by bob barker i'm sure she probably was yes but i don't know if he got uh more saltier as he got older though because this is back in the day we're talking like 19 the early 60s he's dead right he's dead bob barker i'm not even sure if this was that exact incarnation of the show because she was on uh the early prices i'm not sure if it's because that exact incarnation of the show because she was on the early prices. I'm not sure if it's because you know how things change. Who knows if it was like The Tonight Show or had like three shitty hosts and they got Johnny Carson. Actually, they weren't shitty, but they just moved them.

Anyway, then she gets married. Okay. She gets married in the mid 60s. She marries James. James, his name is, but everyone calls him Mike. But his real name is James. What the fuck is with you people? I don't know.

James, Mike. Frederick, we'll call him Mike. We'll call him Mike. It's James Raul, and he goes by Mike, which Raul is way worse than Frederick in terms of being far from Mike. James Raul Navarro, we'll call him by Mike. June 7th, 1967, they have a son. that was her name was constance constance hopkins oh hopkins hopkins and then she marries him so she's navarro they have a son on june 7th 1967 uh david

david michael navarro you might know the name dave navarro holy shit by the fact that he's a goddamn huge famous rock star that kid is this is dave navarro not named after him no no this is dave famous navarro this is actually dave navarro um this baby's penis is eventually going to be in carmen electro and several others uh hundreds of hundreds of others uh dave navarro if you don't know who he is i've probably been under a rock everybody knows fucking dave navarro you're ridiculous yeah you've seen him on tv as goddamn reality shows with tattoos and shit like that jane's addiction uh red hot chili peppers for an album even he filled in there uh but i mean he's like original jane's addiction 1986 he would join that band so one of the one of the quote unquote sexiest men

ever yeah he's one of the he's one of those guys that looks like he's trying to seduce you just standing there you know what i mean and it's in that great skin he's in that facial hair everything about him he's a cool guy yeah he's a he's like johnny depp if he wasn't an ass white right you know what i mean like that's what he reminds me of you know johnny depp could play a guitar worth a fuck like johnny depp yeah he wants to be a musician he's in that fucking band with uh with uh every rock star is a fucking band he's in the band yeah he's in a band him hollywood vampires or some shit yeah they all think the rock stars it's terrible it's terrible athletes think they're this they think that everybody wishes he could be as as handsome and talented as as dave so now that we've drooled over dave navarro for fucking five minutes here uh but yeah dave navarro goes

on to be on the ink master show and all that and uh like we said he's a tattoos too he's very cool a lot of tattoos here yeah he's got a bunch of tattoos he was on that so he's uh anyway he's born in 1967 uh now he's a big star to these um yeah let's find out how he became who he is okay shall we because this this is all tied into dean alexander weird story so far right okay it's coming let's see you're gonna it's all gonna come together. Dave's a happy-go-lucky kid. Yeah. Happy, nice kid. Happy, growing up in Southern California.

I don't think I've ever seen an interview of him where he's angry. No, no, no. But he looks a little gothy. He looks sad. A little emo. He's a little sad looking. A little bit of something under the surface. He's got eye makeup on.

Yeah, you put mascara on a dude. He's had some problems. He's got problems. Yeah, there's something wrong with him inside. Not saying there's wrong to do that, he he's he there's something emotionally that's making the mascara beyond his eyes uh so uh they're married for a bit here uh mike navarro and connie uh they get divorced in 1975 uh her uh david and uh dave and connie's parents are divorced they're divorced they divorced in 1975.

They stayed fine, though. They weren't enemies. They stayed friends. They lived somewhat near each other. She had an apartment with David in West Hollywood. Interesting. And they would basically, you know, they shared custody. So Dave would go over there for a few days. He would go over there.

There was no contention. He grew up in L.A.? He grew up in L.A. Yeah, he grew up in Southern California with a model mom and, you know a guy dad with a stupid name and that's it a stupid nickname and all this talent waiting to be harvested absolutely so they divorced like i said connie and and uh mike in 1975 and in 1980 uh she meets dean okay uh connie meets dean like we said yeah uh and they hit it off yeah uh dean is pretty uh magnetic yeah uh she likes him he's a he's a real handsome guy this guy we sound like we just we love cock but he's a handsome guy he's a bodybuilder he's super muscular he goes by dean

uh you know anything they don't want us to say by the way yeah no it's true does all that calculatedly yeah yeah women fucking though he's true. David Garro does all that calculatedly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Women fucking. No, he's making love to the camera. He knows that. One thing he did that was really cool, far off the subject. I saw he was on some talk show, and he did a thing where, I guess he has people over his house constantly.

He's one of those people. It's always got people coming over, having parties. Yeah, hey, come on over. I'll come hang. And he would do a thing where for a whole year, everybody that came over had to take a picture. He took a picture of them, so he did this kind of a flashbook of all the pictures of everybody

that was at his house for a year. It was the coolest shit, and it was like every famous person on the face of the earth. Ridiculous. Very braggy, but I don't think, I feel like for him, he didn't even look at it that way

because he's so used to those people coming over. He just thought it was, hey, look at all my friends. He has it all there in his head, too. He's just like, I'd like to maybe look at this one day. It's kind of a cool thing. Because, by the way, if you have Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rambo, what the fuck's his name? Sylvester Stallone. What's his name?

Matthew McConaughey. You have all these guys parade through your house. Eventually, you're going to forget that one of those amazing people was there so let's maybe take a picture yeah and look it just looks cool too to have a whole little you know your life and a thing here uh so uh dean comes in here and he seems to have money like i said he's flashy he start he talks about we'll call it alluding basically he's always talking about alluding to mob ties okay you know what i mean like oh you know i'm connected and things like that and uh you know she doesn't know yeah who the fuck he's always talking about alluding to mob ties. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you know, I'm connected and things like that. And, you know, she doesn't know who the fuck.

He's got a New York accent. He's got a Guinea last name. It's possible. He's got a knot in his pocket. He says he's got money. Who am I to say it didn't happen? Yeah, I'm sure he's a gangster. Sure.

Sounds good. She doesn't seem to mind, which you got a young son. You probably shouldn't be bringing a gangster around him. Yeah, but John Gotti's wife is doing pretty well. Plus, he seems like a real nice guy well plus he seems like a real nice guy he treats dave well yeah dave likes him i mean they like each other um he doesn't tell her by the way that he's just a fucking a really good burglar he doesn't tell her that um he has he keeps his own residence too he doesn't like move right in and be like one of those guys he keeps his own apartment the whole time it's hard to move in

that's the other thing too yeah hey i to go burgle for four or five hours. See you in the morning. Show up at 4 a.m. with a rare lamp. With a rare lamp and a ski mask. Right. Like, hey, I had a Faberge egg in the other hand. I was just over at the bank working. You know how it goes.

I was exercising. That's all right. I got to do cardio in the morning. I got to curl the lamp. Roadwork. That's roadwork. You got to go run around. But he stays over Connie's frequently because, you know, whatever.

They're together. During this time, though, Dave and Dean become really close. They become tight. The guy, Dean's really good with Dave. You know, they talk. Dave regarded him as just someone he trusted, you know, a lot. Now, by 1982, their relationship starts to fall apart. Not Dean and Dave, Dean and Connie. The relationship starts to fall apart. Not Dean and Dave, Dean and Connie.

Their relationship starts to fall apart a bit. You know, two years. Like, it's going to happen. Yeah, that was not meant for each other. When you're phony, your shit's not going to stay together. Yeah, you're talking about mob ties, you're a burglar, and you're an asshole at this point. They break up. They get back together.

They break up. It's one of those things. So what you been doing? Oh, you know, same old, same old. That's tough, too, man, because my parents were divorced i remember my mom like having like a boyfriend and this one they break up and then she's upset just talking to my aunt about it and i'm like can we just not can this none of this be an issue right now can we just i'm like nine i don't care what happened on your fucking date okay lady i'm not i don't give a shit i don't know what you mean you had

to pay you know i don't care right like yeah i just to pay. You know, I don't care. Right. Like, yeah, I just, fuck, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to witness all this shit. I just want that Hulk Hogan wrestling figure. Can you get me that and we'll discuss it? Go get me that animal, that stuffed animal that has the chains that it can break its arms. Yeah, do that. What was that one called?

I don't remember. I don't remember either. The animal, the like troll thing that had handcuffs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could put the handcuffs together and then break them apart. I don't remember what that was, but I remember that. It was badass. Yeah.

We had toys that didn't go with anything. No, they're just like a standalone thing. What the fuck was Teddy Ruxpin for? To creep people out? Yeah, they eventually made a fucking TV show about it, but it just read a book

that you were reading. Well, so when you're older and you have a little brother with a Teddy Ruxpin, you can put a Wu-Tang Clan tape in it and watch Teddy Ruxpin sing Bring the Ruckus.

That's why. That's how you could do that. My little brother did not think that was okay. It's essentially a book on tape. It is. It is for kids. Yeah, and it's a, watch teddy ruxpin sing bring the ruckus that's why that's how you could do that i did my little brother did not think that was okay on tape it is it is for kids yeah and it's a i can't read to my kids so i don't have time or i don't have to feel like reading to my kids so here inanimate object this thing is going to pretend to read to you its lips are kind of moving it seems like somebody's mouth opens and closes yeah that's good enough so january 1983 uh connie decides it's over yeah over for good uh he she decides that she's ending this relationship she tells him she no longer

wants to see him but she still talks to him and sees him but she says it's over it's over it's over uh then some weird shit starts happening shockingly uh january 1983 here same month uh there's a guy named george hofer uh he's an executive for an ad agency and he meets with connie to discuss a job they mean modeling stuff they meet it yeah possibly that or even at the ad agency i'm not sure either way he did it's a he's interviewing her about a job opportunity they meet at a restaurant public place that's not like they're in a hotel room or anything uh after the dinner uh they're in the parking lot they part ways uh they shook hands and he gives her a kiss on the cheek which is like kind of normal back then yeah it's kind of like a uh it's a hollywood thing too it's

all and it's a hollywood thing it's an okay now dear i'll see you see you around love it's that sort of shit on the cheek yeah so it's a british accent but whatever whatever now george hofer the brit so it's just a shake hand kiss on the cheek very polite that's it's a polite society thing yeah especially if it's paired with a shake it's very polite i often kiss women's hands i'm kind of washing my hands of that and backing away because it but it looks creepy it looks like a light thing like i've said creepy as fuck like i've said on social media in many places yeah you're like uh calls the waitresses dear years old that's excuse me dear i say it all the time 80 my grandfather used to say that shit it's funny as shit i love it trying to be polite but because

i don't really i don't get social cues sometimes and i don't i maybe i don't know what it is i'm a fucking asshole that's what it is no you enjoy it you feel like you're being going you feel like you're being gallant at that point and and you're doing that sort of deal. So the next day, Hofer, he's in his hotel room. He's going to go back home soon. He lives in Connecticut. He's going to go back home. He's in his hotel room.

He gets a phone call from a guy with a New York accent who says he's Connie's boyfriend. It doesn't say his name. The guy is super fucking pissed off. says he's connie's boyfriend oh it doesn't say his name the guy is super fucking pissed off uh he's in a rage on the other end of the phone yelling at this hofer demanding to know why this guy's kissing his girlfriend why are you kissing my girlfriend oh boy hey asshole yeah this is me yeah how you doing no no you don't need to know who i am connie's fucking boyfriend yeah what are you doing kissing my fucking girlfriend what the shit this guy's some ad executive guy he's not used to this he's like i don't know what the fuck you're talking he said i don't know what you're talking

about it's fine the man on the other end of the phone says uh if if hofer doesn't stop seeing connie he's going to now what do you think i'm going to say here um stab he's gonna hurt hofer right no no he threatens to break her knees whoa i'll break her knees which is a really odd fucking uh uh i kind of like it though it's it's depressed it's super strict it's creative it's super mind fucky it's great what it is it's unexpected honestly you care about her and you want to keep seeing her you're gonna see a fucking cripple not even that i think you're a good person and you don't want to see somebody's legs broken yeah i think maybe it's that what it is that's it's not even about it's you're breaking someone you care about's knees it's so weird but that's a i'm so crazy i'll break her fucking knees

that's the other thing too it's the old bill burr bit that the uh if you fuck with my daughter again i'll beat your mom to death with the family dog like yeah that thing it's it's a it's a complete mind fuck of making you visualize what you're gonna end up looking at i that i think he was just going for crazy i am unstable you don't fuck with me and i yeah this guy whatever he's going after he fucking achieved he got it hofer said oh i am a happily married man yeah i have no interest in connie i she's not interested in me we're not not. I'm just trying to. We're talking about a job.

That's it. Yeah. Everything is fine. Whatever. Conversation ends. He says, all right, let's stay away from my fucking girlfriend. Blah, blah, blah. The next day, Hofer's at the hotel room.

He gets a call again from the same guy. And this guy, hey, asshole, me again. He's like, what the fuck now? I haven't even seen her. I've done nothing. Yeah. What now? This guy's harassing him now he sell he tells hofer that uh he knows hofer's itinerary back to connecticut he has his home address there oh my god he says how would you like it if i paid

a visit to your wife in connecticut he's telling him shit like that hofer again's like dude listen no clue what you're talking about not Not interested. Not romantically involved. Never touched her. Kissed her on the cheek. Goodbye. As a, you know, just a social gesture. Meant nothing. In fact, I'm calling the Connecticut Police Department right now to let them know what you just said.

Well, he said, I'm going home. I'm leaving the next day. He's like, I have no interest in her. I'm not going to see her. You know, I just was going to hire her for a job out there out there i was just interviewed i have no idea what you're talking about uh hofer thinks his rental car was broken into because uh his travel itinerary and his papers and personal information address and all that was in his car and it was jostled about he somebody broke in his car and found out all this information you'd have to be like a burglar to do that like a

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There's different things here uh mid-january as we'll talk about this is kind of when it happens here uh it's got it's pretty it's pretty stalky and especially the way it ends it's it's stalky uh he starts stalking her basically there's a woman named marilyn young who's connie's friend uh and then he she says in mid to late uh january of 83 dean broke into connie's condo and forced her to sleep with him what which is insanely weird i'm not sure if there was uh sex involved yeah but he spent the night next he spent the night holding her and refused her to allow her to read the bed to leave the bed so he basically was like you're gonna fucking snuggle with me and like i'm spooning you it's it that's a big spoon aggressive spooning uh apparently yeah forced spooning which is not i don't know how much i it's something it's something it's definitely

an assault i feel like if you force a woman to do anything physical it's kind of right with you that's pretty rapey i feel like i don't know if it's rape but it's something bad that i wouldn't fucking do personally assault not not crime and sports approved behavior especially breaking in to do that right that's the problem he he broke into the condo and did that he didn't like he kicked the door yeah oh he doesn't kick the door and he's he's smooth he's a cat burglar he breaks in you wait till you see how he breaks into places like that circle suction cup thing yeah to get in no seriously that's the type of shit he is he's like one of those guys snuggling uh so near the end of january uh one time connie's vehicle wouldn't start and it just wouldn't start and all of a sudden he pops

up out of nowhere and he says yeah it's not starting because i fuck with the wires what the shit like i could do whatever i want to be he's just trying to show her that i'm always here i can control your shit i can fuck with your car i can get into your house anytime i want it's it's mental abuse it's stalking it's mental abuse she's very scared her friends here uh carl and janet rasmussen say later on that she was just she was very scared of him from the end of 82 she was upset uh that he wouldn't leave her alone but she didn't want to she didn't want to uh poke him either yeah she didn't want to like she tried to gently brush him off to be like no no it's you

know oh yeah we can still talk because we're still friends because he didn't want he was if she was afraid of him yeah her she was trying to basically make him go away voluntarily and he's got to be enormous he's pretty big he's six foot tall but he's over 200 pounds of muscle he's at the gym every goddamn day and you know he's a violent guy and he's a he's scared anybody who's capable of breaking into someone's house and forcing them to spoon with them is a scary person in my book that's super weird and it's also not a sane person no it's not a sane person here connie asked them to watch her condo like you know keep an eye on it because they're her neighbors uh because she said she thought that she was being followed and that she thought that he breaks in.

She thought that Dean broke into her apartment all the time. Also, I've got a child. Yeah. No, it's true. At one point, this Carl Rasmussen actually confronts Dean about this shit and says that he should be a man and leave her alone. And fucking Connie, she doesn't want to see you anymore.l yeah carl's good shit man he tries he tries carls are always good dudes you never find a carl you don't find a lot of bad cars find a shithead carl they're always true i'm sure someone's gonna tweet at us murdering carls but carl my uncle

carl did some horrible things but yeah yeah your uncle carl is a fucking he's a your uncle's finger in your ass aside right normally carl's most carls are pretty fucking great uh january 31st 1983 connie changes her locks yeah too because she thinks maybe uh he made a key and has a key she doesn't realize that he's a burglar and knows how to get in so gets him in yeah so she changes her key uh she put that in her day planner so that was actually documented uh early february of 83 she uh she agrees to meet with dean to talk about his behavior we need to discuss this shit because i'm uncomfortable she's trying to reason with the man like look you're making me uncomfortable if you like me then why do you want to make me feel uncomfortable let's be cool let's have a seat

and hey adults you leave me alone we can be friends yeah you know everything is fine so uh she said me fearful that's the thing she said and she even said uh she would not meet with him unless it took place in a public restaurant so marilyn young was supposed to pick connie up from the meeting uh from between those two before she got there before marilyn got there he takes out a gun uh and pulls a gun out on connie adult meeting at the at the yeah public place he has a meeting with her in the restaurant talks to her everything seems fine so they walk out together she's not afraid of him at that point and he pulls a gun on her and says you're coming away with me for the weekend oh boy that's what she says uh she was scared shitless and he's an asshole he's cuddling and then he forces vacation he's forcing vacation

it's uh it's weird though he's forcing thingsling and then he forces vacation he's forcing vacation it's uh it's weird though he's forcing things that women normally bitch at men to do right she's forcing her to snuggle and go on vacation it's so fucking weird she's gonna be he's gonna fucking pull a gun out and go go get your nails done now do them get your toes too i want you to be comfortable see this knife i'll jam it in your neck you don't go get a massage you don't get all that shit scraped off the bottom of your fucking feet and make them soft and beautiful. I swear to God, it's not going to happen. Actually, I might do that to my wife. There you go.

The fucking mat outside of the shower is white. My wife got all the white mats for the bathroom, like by the toilet, by the fucking sink, by the shower. Yeah, the, yeah. Like by the toilet, by the fucking sink, by the shower. Yeah, the full set. The only one that's gross is the one by the shower. And she washes her goddamn feet in there and then she gets out and then they're gross still. Go to the goddamn people with the fish and make them eat that shit off.

I don't care what you do. Go somewhere and get that shit scraped off your feet. That's what he's doing. But he's doing it at gunpoint. I'd him just to get him a criminal he's just he absolutely is she agrees to go away for the weekend because she's scared yeah and she says she's going to tarts and cacos that's it we're doing it it's gonna be beautiful go to a resort you're gonna get room service beautiful we're gonna go snorkeling so we're gonna go look at the gold fish under the water yeah so but since they don't even go away uh she she doesn't want to go look at the goldfish under the water. Yeah. But they don't even go away.

She doesn't want to go with him because he was going to go. He wanted to go somewhere. She said, let's just get a hotel in the L.A. area. Let's just get a hotel in the city. She said, you know, that would make her basically feel less likely that. They could have been in this hotel. They might have been right here. Right here. Right here in Glendale.

She thought this was good because it would be hard for him to hurt her and not have anyone hear if they were in a hotel room. If he shot her, people would hear it, which people get killed in hotel rooms all the time. It's a really, yeah, I'm going to kill you when we're done with this. You know what I mean? That's what I figured. That's what happens. We'll stuff you in the mic suitcase. So during the weekend, Connie made telephone calls.

He let her call her friends and family, and she said where she was and who she was with. She didn't say she was, you know, holy shit, get me out of here, call the cops. Everybody said she sounded nervous. But at the end of the weekend, he let her to go home. He didn't kidnap her. He said, okay, thanks for spending the weekend with me. Have a good one. And they parted ways again.

You know, you can buy a hooker for that. That's the thing. Yeah. You don't have to kidnap people. You can pay somebody to do that with you all of her friends and her ex-husband mike that they all thought this was kidnapping yeah they're all like that's kidnapping what he did you say we're going away for the weekend at gunpoint that's not romantic the gun makes it not romantic the only difference is that you're giving her the end date of when your kidnapping is over like if elizabeth

smart heard that her kidnapping was over in a few years uh it still doesn't make a fucking difference no i don't say i don't think that makes it better at all yeah it doesn't no he's still kidnapped yeah it's still kidnapping uh over the next two months he dean will pop up uninvited at restaurants like connie went out with uh and had uh dinners with friends and he would pop up uh she popped he popped up at a dinner at her ex-husband's house at mike's house uh She would get phone calls and people would hang up on the other end. She knew it was him. He would

go to several different occasions. Connie and Marilyn Young were at a gym at a fitness center and he would stand outside staring at her through the window as she exercised. Slow tugging. She's on the Stairmaster. He's out on the sidewalk. Yeah, just tugging away. It's super weird.

He would also make midnight phone calls to Marilyn Young and ask shit about Connie. Call someone up at midnight and be like, what's up with Connie? Why isn't she like me? And shit like that. Super fucking weird. He's just doing shit. Because of what you're doing right now. Red flag, red flag, red flag.

Because this phone call is fucking creepy. That's why. Super creepy. Connie started being so scared she wouldn't go anywhere by herself yeah she would like i'll have friends take will you go here with me because she was scared he was gonna pop up and i don't know drag her away for the weekend at gunpoint uh she had an alarm system installed in her residence uh which she thought would help a lot uh he didn't give a shit uh because he had really good burglary skills and would break in anyway, would bypass the alarm. Just figured it out.

It didn't even matter. In February of 83, Connie invites Dean to a restaurant to have dinner with Marilyn Young and her boyfriend. So at this point, they get him, sit him down at a restaurant. They're like, let's try to treat him like an adult, which I think we're beyond that. But she said that Connie and Marilyn connie and marilyn both said please leave connie alone that's what they this was like a mature plea like look we're all here we're all adults look at us we're having glasses of wine you know you've got the calamari we're adults here you know what i'm saying this is by the way there's a lot of witnesses right now telling

you uh that she's done with you. Yes. There's no way for you to say, she didn't give me any clues. I didn't know. I didn't know it was over. Bullshit. She keeps calling me. Yeah, I don't know, man.

She keeps answering the phone when I'm breathing heavy and telling her that I want to come by and open her up. I want to see what's inside of her. Yeah, things like that. She keeps inviting me back over. You know, I'm going to vivisect her. We'll see how it goes. Marilyn just told you we're all in agreement. She even told us that she doesn't want to see you anymore yeah and marilyn

said he was creepy during this he said he agreed to leave her alone he said yeah i'll leave her alone but she said the whole time he had a weird angry smirk on his face like man i'll leave you i'll leave her alone yeah like one of those like he wants to say some smart ass yeah like he wants to go yeah i'll leave her alone i'll leave her exactly i'm gonna say i'll leave her alone in a fucking box that's where i'll leave her yeah fucking ground that's where i'll leave so after that uh one time she's having dinner or she's having breakfast with her friend sue jory uh and another guy craig spencer when this guy just uh when dean just pops up and sits down just pops up in the restaurant sits down at the table like hey i'm here yeah i'm sorry i'm five minutes late you know that sort of thing how you guys been i've been watching they said he said

nothing what dean didn't say a word he sat down and stared at connie for three to four minutes he popped up out of nowhere uninvited sits down at the table says nothing to anyone and stares at her for three to four minutes that is super creepy real quickly what kind of man is spencer uh yeah hey dude what's your fucking problem fuck is wrong with you well he he does this actually but i mean it's weird anyway uh they were obviously a little creeped out by this whole thing him just sitting there and spencer's like i don't want to get involved i don't he doesn't know these people that's her boyfriend i don't fucking what am i gonna what am i gonna do i just met this i don't know any of these people uh he actually tries to break the silence he just says hey i'm i'm craig how

you doing you know just i'll treat the guy like a normal guy maybe he'll behave like a normal guy which is what people do with psychopaths maybe if i just treat him like a normal so he tries to break the silence tries to introduce himself uh dean reaches up shakes his hand but doesn't say anything or make eye contact with him keeps staring at tammy that connie but he's like yeah yeah shake your hand how you doing i'm rude but i'm not rude i'll still shake it someone puts their hands out i'll fucking shake it but then he gets up this is very odd behavior here uh he gets up he makes uh like a gun gesture with his finger and you know his thumb the gun yeah it does the little gun you know four finger deal and then uh dropped his thumb like you know he

dropped the hammer and then he walked away did that at connie and then he walked away and that was that never said a fucking word what the shit never said a word super strange that's a police phone call i would say hey that was we have what do you say he came and shook my hand and didn't say anything that's a to a public restaurant for 100 silence it's weird it's something you'd want documented yeah but they're not like the police are going to go talk to him he'd be like i went to the fucking restaurant i sat down see you around kidded me what the fuck is that that's the thing and he would have said i don't know i wasn't i didn't know what they were talking about so i stayed and i didn't say anything

and then i left because i was uncomfortable and they would have went oh well i don't know what you're gonna do cops can't get involved but late february connie has difficulty she can't get her sliding glass door open uh to her bedroom the sliding glass door there uh it's there's a balcony right outside it like it's been off the track like something's wrong with she can't get it open so carl i fucking sliding glass doors are terrible especially those 70s ones they'd work for five minutes uh yeah and if you had those later on like they're so bad any tweak in them over the years people tripping over it because dust and rocks and debris and fucking glow so you canpping over it because dust and rocks and debris low so

you can walk over it there's always that lip yeah everybody fucking kicks it it's the worst bends the shit out of the frame so of course it never slides right never so he's a shit design she gets carl rasmussen who we talked about before the neighbor over here and to look at it and he sees that the uh the bulge lat has been damaged. He takes it off and looks at it. And it's basically sawed almost all the way through. Like it's been sawed, this latch. Somebody tried to break into it by cutting the lock. Yeah.

Well, also, where it was, Rasmussen tells her the only way that that could have happened is if someone did it from the inside. From the inside of the bedroom, because it was from the. Yeah. So he said it had to be from the inside. He fixes something and reinstalls it. And, you know, he makes the door work again for her. So he was trying to make it passable from the outside, but he did it from the inside. Yeah, so he could break in easier, make it easier. At this point, she's freaked out.

She's had enough. She writes a letter to him. She's tried talking to him. She sat him down. She brought him out with friends. She tried reasoning to him she sat him down she brought him out with friends she tried reasoning with him she is reasonable and also not reasonable because she should have been running away but it's not her fault though because she just thinks he's just kind of obsessive and also she's nice she's a nice person that's the other thing it's not her fault she writes a

letter to him and she says quote i'm so sorry that you're still so angry and you feel a need for vengeance and punishment you're accomplishing your and you feel a need for vengeance and punishment. You're accomplishing your goal. I feel like a walking dead person going through going through the motion of life, like a small wild animal who knows it's surrounded by a pack of wolves. The smallest sound or movement makes me jump. The sound of the phone ring is now is now frightening. Another hang up. I'm so locked in my own house, afraid of every sound the walls have probably always made

i walk out of my house coffee shop a gym uh looking terror uh until i get into my car and i know the doors are locked and i and i can breathe again until i get out then it all starts over again how long is this going to go on so that is just jesus you're up a plea from it just poor person to pleading please jesus christ uh back then too the stalking wasn't a crime back then too really remember that they just made stalking laws in the 90s i think really stalking yeah you could stalk the fuck out of somebody back then that was fine horrific yeah it was hard you could do there would be like harassment you could file against him and shit like that but like just stalking someone wasn't they there was years women my god women were

trying to get that in because guys were doing this. Like, I'm not doing anything. Why are women surprised that they get shitty treatment still? Like, when this is... Well, they were trying to get it a law. They couldn't get it passed. It's not their fault.

They were like, please make stalking laws. And they were like, nah, he's just being... Nah, he's just... He's romantic. He likes you. Haven't you ever watched a movie? You hate him at first. He keeps showing up.

He keeps showing up. And then you get married at the end that's how it works that's what they thought back then it's like no the boombox thing was it was legal yeah that's that's stalking once she says leave you alone leave her the fuck alone leave people alone for christ's sake so he wrote back okay uh he writes back i can't believe how fucking backward our society was that close crazy yeah no shit he writes back uh my dear i could not possibly apologize enough for any inconvenience i may have caused you i sincerely thought you enjoyed living in fear and being a general participant in a fun game of hide and seek like laser tag without the lasers or the tag this isn't a real letter actually i just made that

up because this dude's a fucking psychopath holy Holy shit. What the fuck is that? What kind of thing? You looked at me like, that shit's real. That sounded in line, didn't it? It sounded normal, though, didn't it? You actually were like, what a fucking nut. You were looking at me like, dude. Yeah, you were like, laser tag.

They came up with that? Fucking Tron wasn't even out yet. No, it's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. And that there, guys, I've never done that before before but that was a tribute only for for letting us borrow his equipment that's a dan cummins move right there he would make something up and it's funny so convincing in the time suck podcast i'm sitting there going no fucking way and then he goes right no way yeah so i did that for dan so there you go that was just thank you dan for

lending us our equipment that her letter was real to him that was 100 real he did not write back he had he had nothing to say i'm sure he just broke up submission so the last week of february 83 he probably had it framed probably a dick uh well we'll find out what he's what he's what he holds dear he breaks into the condo dean does while dave is home sick okay dave navarro yeah he's home sick from school he's supposed to be at school. Now, according to Dave, Connie left for her morning jog, which she did every morning. And Dave heard the sounds of somebody trying to open the sliding glass door to his mother's bedroom. So Dave catches a glimpse of Dean outside on the balcony trying to take the sliding glass door off its track. Oh, my God.

So what Dave does is he goes and hides in the bathroom behind the shower curtain okay he goes and hides because he doesn't know what's going on yeah this poor kid uh then he hears uh he hears dean gets in uh the house he hears dean enter the bathroom where dave was hiding which he must have been scared shitless oh my god so dean leaves the bathroom and goes downstairs. And what he does is he goes and plays back her answering machine. So Dave hears Dean downstairs playing. He's listening to who's calling her. He's talking to her and he's trying to find out what she's doing and all that sort of thing.

So Dave sees that there was a gun on the bathroom floor near the door. He put a gun down there on the floor there, which is crazy. Dean just did. So Dave, what he does is this is kind of smart. Actually, he leaves the bathroom and calls out for Dean and he goes, Dean, mom, or either of you here, someone's trying to break into the house. So he's like, not like, Hey Dean, why are you breaking into the house? What the fuck? He's like, Hey Dean, can you help me? Someone's trying to break in. So it's pretty fucking interesting. So Dean goes upstairs and they go look at the sliding glass door and it's on its tracks fine.

So Dean's like, no, no, no one's breaking in. It's fine. No big deal. Door's on the tracks. Don't you worry about it. So Dave is scared shitless and he's just like, oh, yeah, okay, cool. Like he's going along with it because he doesn't want, what is he going to confront this guy?

He's 15 years old. He's just, he's scared. So he's just going along with it because he doesn't want he's what is he going to confront this guy he's 15 years old he's just he's scared so he's just going along with the whole thing dean sits down on the edge of connie's bed because they're in her bedroom with the sliding glass door and he tells dave that he's very very upset uh about his mom not wanting to see him and uh anymore and he's just really upset and he's telling dave all this shit and he tells dave that he's going to kill himself but he wants to talk to connie first oh boy so this is a lot of pressure to put on a 15 year old kid uh so then dean pulls the uh pulls the gun out from under the bed and points it at dave but he's pointing it at dave saying he's going to kill himself yeah which is a super odd confusing thing to have happen uh dean

then apologizes to dave that he pointed the gun at him and says i'm not going to hurt you at all but then he takes out a pair of handcuffs and handcuffs dave in the bathroom he's handcuffed dave in the bathroom okay uh then dean leaves the bathroom saying that he's got to go deal with his mom i'm gonna go deal with your mom while you're handcuffed to the fucking bathroom and closes the door behind him so now dave's sitting in there knowing that this guy with a gun who's upset and gonna kill himself after he talks to his mom jesus you're scared if you're dave know this about dave navarro no most people don't this is why it's a crazy fucking story and it gets worse okay so uh half hour later connie gets back and dave could hear them arguing and uh and his mother screaming where the fuck is dave where'd you put fucking dave that's her only concern is i don't give a shit about any of this where's my goddamn son because she's a decent

mom uh so they argue for 20 minutes uh at one point dave said he heard the sound of someone being slapped uh we don't know if that's which one is slapped though uh dean comes back to the bathroom after they argue he's sobbing now uh he uncoffs dave and uh begs dave not to tell his mom that he handcuffed him in the bathroom it's like please don't tell your mom i did this because that would freak her out a little bit she's already just somebody's been hit the fight has escalated let's not escalate it further so dean leaves okay days takes off he's done after that fucking episode he leaves i'm going home please don't tell your mom that i handcuffed you it's fine uh now dave was afraid of dean and also kind of didn't know what he should feel like and didn't want to make things worse he's got so many chemicals running through his body god so he

didn't tell her about it nothing which at that point that would have been like okay motherfucker i think she would have called the cops at that point and like he broke into my house and handcuffed my son to a fucking thing that's got to be at least tell her that he that he broke in no he didn't tell her anything he didn't tell her anything he just said i don't know yeah yeah i was upstairs that's it so uh yeah so uh now on february 25th 83 uh connie decides to leave for a weekend because uh she's scared because there's a friend of hers named donnie clap which is a great name for the 70s if you have the name of common vd in the 70s and early 80s that's fucking awesome brutal hey they call him donnie the clap so donnie clap is one of her friends by the way your middle

name is the your name is the hey donnie the clap donnie the clap the clap so he uh warns that uh that dean's astrological signs he's doing her charts over here uh is showing that he's in a rage and he's going to erupt the by the end of this weekend uh so donnie here the the jesus christ the clap he's advising her to leave the clap is like get out of here you're gonna be itchy be itchy. It's going to hurt when you pee. So she says she doesn't even feel safe in her home. So what they do is Connie and Marilyn Young go out of town for the weekend. Okay. Before they leave, of course, Dean calls her wanting to know what she's doing that night, where you're going, what are you doing.

doing that night where you're going what are you doing uh young here marilyn young picks uh goes to pick up connie and dean is standing outside connie's condo staring at them he's just staring at them yeah um according marilyn young said he had a quote very kind of frightened look on his face and when they drove away from him yeah he got in the car and started following them in the car which is crazy he ended up after a mile or so he pulled off but he was just like seeing where they were going uh yeah it was fucking nuts right so she gets off from a weekend away and connie says uh connie decides that herself and dave should stay with her her ex-husband for a little bit yeah stay with mike for a while for protection here uh connie and uh connie and uh david came home to

pick up clothes real quick connie and dave and they found that someone disabled their front door alarm so like they're just they're they're it's how do you not just live in constant fear i know how you could eat or sleep or anything at this point you almost need to change your whole life and move out of state like that's the that's the saddest part of this is that she she has to go she needs to be somewhere else to yeah away from here yeah and they found out later on that uh he was actually inside the condo when they were in there picking clothes he was in there he was in there hiding in a closet oh so this is crazy because uh he ended up uh admitting dean ended up admitting to clap later on when he talked to him about something when i'm sure he said where the fuck is connie uh he told her that he told him that so uh now uh march 1st

1983 uh they're they're staying with mike connie and dave are staying with mike uh there's an an answering machine recorded a telephone call remember back in the day when there was tape before it was voicemail so awful if you pick up the phone yeah it would record your call like if someone said hey pick up it's johnny and you pick up the phone and then it would unless you press stop on the answering machine it would just record your old fucking phone call so that happened and there's a phone call there between connie and an unidentified just a female unidentified person who connie is asking questions about how to obtain a restraining order okay good start yeah not that that's going to stop him from

anything but at least it's a step in the right direction it's documented well documented and he's ordered to be somewhere else yeah she's somewhere uh later that day on march 1st connie goes and meets with an attorney uh who her husband her ex-husband recommended and they discuss how to obtain a temporary restraining order against him so she means fucking business yeah she's done with this yeah absolutely so uh march 2nd 83 whenever the the dates get closer and closer you know bad stuff is happening uh uh connie and marilyn young and uh and sid young who is marilyn's ex husband these exes all have great related they're eating fucking meals together i've never had a meal with my ex-wife not once not fucking once we haven't had a fucking uh a snack together nothing it's so weird share an otter pop nothing no god a

goddamn thing in a you in a you who nope nope i'm sure she wouldn't even like you who jesus christ that's why you gotta get divorced sometimes guys hilarious have priorities a minor you who so uh they're eating breakfast at a restaurant when hey guess who pops up yeah it's dean obviously uh he gets connie to move to an empty table where they could speak he comes over hey come here talk to me for a minute so she's like not doesn't want to cause a scene so she does maybe this is the last time i have to talk to him yeah let's see what he wants uh young can hear marilyn can hear connie yelling at dean about breaking into her home and fucking up her alarm system and dean admits he did he goes yeah you're right i did i'm sorry uh he also said he

admitted did he took something from her home and showed connie a letter that she had written him but didn't send yet oh and he had it in his possession which is super weird and that's so scary that's scary and then he then that well that's scary enough. But if the next line is, quote, there are no locks that could keep me out of any place. That's scarier because that's what he said the next time. And he said, if you wanted to, he could hurt her anytime he wants. He said, I could have and I don't. He also said, quote, I could hurt you right here and nobody would do anything, which isn't true. You're in the middle of a restaurant.

I have a feeling there's there's heroes. There's probably some sort of policy about you know hurting women and you're in the restaurant i would imagine if uh the manager would have something to say at least he would ask you to leave i would imagine at minimum very snotty voice sir yeah sir i am going to have to ask you to leave you may not hit my patron that is not all right so the police are all already on their way because i took the step of calling them before confronting you because i'm terrified yeah so well what he says is also he says he wished connie had already sent him that letter because uh he didn't think that she cared about him until he read the letter once he read

the letter he realized she cared about him and so he then promised that he wouldn't bother her anymore she could return home she doesn't have to worry about him. You know, he was fine. Marilyn said he got up and left. Marilyn said that he looked horrible and scary as if he hadn't slept in a week as he left. Okay. She suggested that he maybe Marilyn talked to him, said, maybe you should go to the hospital. Yeah. Meet yourself. And he laughed at her and walked away.

Yeah. Said some psychotic shit like tomatoes tomatoes are blue that's beautiful yeah he walks he leaves connie decides well i guess it's safe to go home that night her ex-husband mike is like are you out of your fucking mind don't you stay here he said it's safe he breaks into your house and hides in the closet what do you believe in him for you fucking moron but she says no i want to but david they leave dave here dave can stay here with you sure which i'm sure the ex-husband here mike probably said if you want to go i can't stop you you're an adult but you're not taking dave to an unsafe environment she probably agreed you know what fine uh so

march 3rd of 1983 connie's with her friend sue jory uh they're they're gonna cook up later on and marilyn young they're gonna go out for dinner and drinks and you know just general single single gals night here uh marilyn uh her plans change marilyn young and she's unable to come so it's just gonna be sue and connie hanging out later uh that same night dean meets an ex-girlfriend of his named uh stephanie it's a tough last name uh brezza dean okay brisa dean brisen dean uh stephanie brisen dean uh and her friend uh tony natoli uh they're at a restaurant called tampico tillies of course it is okay they're there uh fucking name yeah uh they haven't seen each other dean and stephanie for a long time and she never met connie before but all he does is the whole meal is talk about connie problems

with connie connie connie connie connie connie connie connie uh she said that while he was But all he does is the whole meal is talk about Connie, problems with Connie, Connie, Connie, Connie, Connie, Connie, Connie, Connie. She said that while he was talking about Connie, he was sweating profusely and appeared to be agitated. At one point, he showed showed her a letter that Connie had written him. The one that said, why are you stalking me, basically, and said, you know, she wrote me and he said it, too. She wrote me this nice letter. Right. Like, I'm confused. There's mixed signals. Look look at this letter look at this letter that says i want you out of my life imagine being this poor woman you're like let's see this letter oh oh that's so

sweet she wrote you a letter that's sweet maybe i can help you write something sweet back oh oh my um she says you cause her to fear for her life uh this is way less romantic than i'd hoped like she's probably what the fuck this is not great where's the icy i see trees of grain what the fuck is this stephanie said she was stunned out of all of his descriptions and here's this letter saying how much she loves me uh that about you know she said she was absolutely living in fear and so stephanie said are you she means like without me you know what i mean yeah you know she needs me in her life uh she mentioned that uh connie uh mentioned that he broke into her house and and begged her to leave her alone all the shit from the letter and he

seemed he was like oh what are you gonna do can you believe it she doesn't want to see me read that isn't that sweet stephanie says dean leave her alone and move on with your life she doesn't want you you know what i mean so they leave the restaurant she leaves the restaurant no they leave together no they leave together dean takes her to she's still shaking her head she he takes her to a pay phone yeah and dials the phone and gives it to her she's making he's making her call connie now but she's saying that uh she says that if a boy answered uh she should tell him that dean loved him and if a woman answered she should ask for dave so he's not even calling connie he's calling to tell dave he loves him basically which is a weird thing to do uh but no one answered as a 15 year old if you get that phone call from a weird

woman saying hey dean loves you it's weird that a weird woman saying, hey, Dean loves you. It's weird. That's not helping any at all. Yeah, Dean loves you. Okay, who are you? Thanks. So she called. No one answers.

The answering machine's picked up. And at that point, Dean freaks out, hangs up the phone, and says, that fucking bitch Connie's not answering the phone. So it went from that to him freaking out and calling her a fucking bitch. Wow. Stephanie walks him to his car. She said he opened his trunk for something and she saw a gun in his trunk, which is a bad sign. They say goodbye. And he drives away between about 10 and 1030 p.m.

Now we've gotten down to half hours. See how we went from months to this? Yeah, we went from decades to half hour. As he leaves, she said he seemed angry. But, you know but that was it. Just seemed angry. And he was like, I'll see you later. Basically, they're only about four miles from Connie's house, by the way, at this point. Later on that evening, between about 1030 and 11, Connie's neighbors hear the sound of gunshots and a bunch of muffled thumping.

bunch of muffled thumping and about 15 20 minutes later the neighbor sees a large man who she couldn't identify uh leaving connie's resident residence and driving away in her vehicle it's a bad sign took her car okay so march 4th 1983 the next day uh mike hears from his friend mike the ex-husband that uh connie had an appointment that she didn't show up at and what the fuck and i guess she was supposed to come and see dave or do something with dave too and she didn't show up at. And what the fuck? And I guess she was supposed to come and see Dave or do something with Dave, too. And she didn't show up. And that's not like her. She's reliable. And so Mike goes, what the fuck?

He won't answer. She won't answer the phone either. So he's like, OK, I got to go over there. So he goes over there. He has, you know, he gets in there and he finds Connie and Sue Jory in the house. She finds Connie. She's dead. Stuffed into a second floor linen closet.

Oh, my God. With a pillow over her face. And Sue's body was found face down in Connie's bedroom. Oh, Jesus. So it's bad. There's blood stains everywhere. Blood everywhere. Drag marks.

Bloody drag marks on the carpet. Fuck. That show that Sue's body had been dragged from Dave's bedroom over to Connie's and placed in there. Connie had been shot twice. The first bullet entered the left side of her chest, passed through her lung and exited in her back, which is bad. Second bullet entered the right side of her chest, passed through the aorta and the spine. So, I mean, it's just, that's terrible, man. It was over.

Yeah, he got her twice good. Sue was shot once at close range uh as close as two inches they say uh went through her hand at the base of her thumb so it was a defensive wound she put her defensive room wound entered her jaw area and tore through the carotid artery and went out the back of her neck so she tried to stop it and everything uh which is it's tough bullets recovered from the scene were either a 358 or a 357 caliber and they were consistent with uh being fired from a 338 caliber cult handgun they said when they did the testing condo the condo showed no signs of forced entry the only thing they looked at that was possible would maybe be a

skylight in her bathroom uh that appeared to be a bit askew and slightly off its frame but they said the height of this thing down here they stated they didn't think it was possible for anybody to come in they didn't even uh fingerprint or photograph the cops they said nah no one came from there must have been something else uh connie and sue's purses had been stuffed into a closet in connie's bedroom uh the only things missing from the entire residence were their car keys that's it that's all not a dollar not a not an earring this is far too personal just just the car keys okay uh and bob connie and sue's vehicles were moved uh two blocks away and parked in opposite directions so this was whatever uh on the kitchen counter they found wine glasses

and a glass pitcher uh one of the wine glasses had uh connie's fingerprints yeah and the second glass it was too incomplete for matching the singer the fingerprints uh all the latent prints in the house uh that were lifted uh matched either connie or dean uh all but three of them okay so uh dean's fingerprints they found on a linen closet door where Connie's body was found. So that's pretty damning there. So this is March 6, 1983. She's dead. Very sad.

The cops, they want to talk to Dean. Yeah. A little bit. They're a little concerned here. Sure. They want to talk to Dean and they want to you know put out god they so they put out a kind of a apb here for him and his 1978 ford fiesta which is terrible what a shit car jesus plate number one dlx 102 in case it's still out there but he's not uh he immediately

leaves los angeles yeah leaves his car motorcycle apartment all of his shit just leaves it behind like it never fucking happened like yeah like what'd he take to get out gone he just took off uh in his apartment they find the police find ammunition three handguns a shotgun a box a 38 caliber colt handgun uh uh shells a box for no a box for the actual gun uh they didn't find the gun though and they didn't find any 38 caliber ammunition oh they found other shit uh they also recover four sets of handcuffs uh later in the month in 83 they issue a warrant for his arrest because he's fucking nowhere to be found at all uh dave navarro says quote once they broke up my whole neighborhood was in fear of this guy

i just knew something was going to go wrong no shit yeah uh mid-80s here fbi places ads in muscle magazines yeah like hey if you see this guy because he's a gym rat blah blah blah they stake out gyms literally those fbi agents just you know like where in the world is karma sandy doing elliptical in the gym just looking hey see if we can see this guy just crazy uh he's's added to the LAPD's 10 most wanted list at this point. So this is no shit. And they're trying to find him, too. It's really interesting how they do it. Like his father dies.

Dean's father dies in 1988 in New York. So the FBI has a whole team surveil the funeral in the wakes and all that shit because they figure he might go there. But he doesn't. He didn't even go to his dad's funeral. Didn't go to his dad's funeral. 1989. he might go there but he doesn't he didn't even go to his dad's funeral didn't go to his dad's funeral uh 1989 uh he is featured dean is on an episode of america's most wanted which was a fucking big deal back then nowadays that we have there's a million you know i don't even have cable like it's all internet we were just watching last night live pd they should criminals are the most fucking popular thing to watch in the 80s everybody just

watched tv america's most wanted was the biggest shit in the world it did because there were cops around yeah the tv show cops started cops and america's most wanted was the one they were catching people left and right because it was five was this powerful thing like you rather than rather than have a picture up in a post office somewhere yeah john he's a fucking asshole i always mix them up with joe walsh i both assholes they're both assholes interchangeable john walsh i know his kid got killed i feel terrible for him but that doesn't mean he has to turn into a pompous cunt face i hate that fucking guy get out there and find the criminal how about shut the fuck up yeah shut up show the fucking picture don't make it about yourself you fucking asshole don't make

it about yourself do it in a voiceover i don't give a fuck oh i hate him he's such a dick to him like you find this fucking scumbag i just hate him he would say fucking if it oh yeah he would tv he would he would say the worst thing this guy's a fucking asshole yeah it's just weird and they found and a lot of people too that they've done things about that they were innocent and shit and he was out there people were wanting to fucking get a mob together to kill these fucking people so that type of shit but they did catch a lot of dangerous people the show was a good thing yeah he's an asshole that has nothing to do with anything show's a good thing huge deal now they're talking to his friends here a little bit they're finding hunting down deans friends uh they find his uh kind of a burglary partner of Dean's here, a guy named Samuel Sabatino.

Oh, yeah. They say it's Sammy Sabatino. You know, he went by Sammy. Or Sabatage. I guarantee you he went by Sammy. He's a Sammy and Joey and Jimmy and Pauly. He says that before old Connie died, Dean had told him that, quote, he felt like he was going to kill himself and that he was going to kill her. So that's pretty damning here.

And also after. You ever felt like that? And that and kill both yeah i don't think so you ever feel like i'm gonna kill somebody and then kill and then kill myself that's a that's i've never felt like that it's a far plank to walk yeah that's the thing i've never been like i'm gonna tell my buddy here see how he thinks about it uh like he was you had to feel like that because he had to fucking say it yeah he ends up after a few weeks dean tells Sabatino that he did it. He tells him that he killed them. He says that Dean told him that he broke into the house through a skylight. Yeah. Skylight.

There's only one skylight in that whole fucking house. And waited for her to come home. He said that when she got home, her friend Sue was with her. Connie went upstairs. And that's where Dean was waiting with a gun. They got in a big argument, and he shot Connie. And while they were arguing, Sue Jory came upstairs, and he shot her, too. He told him he used a.38, and he bragged that he hid the weapon right under law enforcement's noses

by putting it under some roofing material on the roof of his apartment on his apartment his own apartment he just put it in the roofing shit and he was like they're not gonna look up buried it in the shingles they didn't even fucking photograph the skylight i don't blame him and the police work was terrible back then for the most part that's why serial killers did so well we're gonna take pictures of that skylight we're gonna have to go up on the fucking roof and all that well this was only like a few years after they started thinking that like profiling was a good idea before that it was the behavioral science and they used to call it the bs unit it's the bullshit unit because that's

bullshit but obviously it's not it's not late 1990 he's featured on america's most wanted again wow they really want this son of a bitch trying this time they also show a composite of a current girlfriend that they believe that he's with uh now she is blonde and pretty striking she's a pretty woman and tall and blonde so she sticks out like a fucking sore thumb every guy on earth is looking at her anyway right so now they go hey is that a criminal and she's got a nice ass here's a composite of her face but in case uh everybody is checking out her ass here's a composite of her ass also yeah there's that too immaculate obviously people recognize her immediately tips start rolling in like crazy uh the fbi is given a possible address by a caller in houston okay in houston texas uh january 4th 1991 fbi agents are surveilling a uh luxury condo in Houston. Okay. They, the agents see, they see Dean come out of the apartment.

They see him get into a Cadillac Elante, just like a little sporty Cadillac. I looked it up. They like 295 horsepower. They were fucking pretty fast little cars. I remember the commercials and be an old person driving quickly through turns. So they watch him take off. They didn't want to have to chase him because they were in like their shitty Chevys. And they're like, if he wants to run, it's going to be messy.

So fuck it. So they just tell him from a distance and they don't want to spook him. They wait for him to return to the con because they figure he'll come back home eventually anyway. So he comes in. He pulls into. They have a parking garage where you pull into. He goes to park. He pulls up into his space.

FBI car pulls in behind him. Yeah. Fucking agents jump out. Guns drawn. Whole deal. Get the fuck out of the car. Whole deal. Like Henry Hill pulling out of the driveway.

Exact same thing. I love it. Gun behind him, whole deal. At that point, there's 10 FBI agents surrounding him as they take him out of there. They said that when they caught him, he was living in a luxury condo. This place was like a fucking luxurious condo uh he had it was in his condo they found tons of cash jewels burglary equipment the shit over a million dollars in jewelry and jewelry alone in the house he's a fucking burglar he's been doing

it right living the high life yeah he's great at it they find out too the fbi says dean is a suspect in more than a hundred burglaries in chicago miami new york and los angeles a hundred he goes for big dollar targets he goes to steal big things he figured out how to be this after killing after killing someone you should have done this a lot i mean he would have still lost stealing my shit he was still killed her i feel like he's crazy. He underwent plastic surgery. Holy shit, he's John Dillinger. Yeah, he underwent plastic. He had his nose shortened, had a mole removed from his face that was distinctive.

Wow. He didn't want to look like him. He wanted to not get caught. They find evidence that shows that he obtained a document showing how to change his identity before the killings. At the end of the month of the killings he applied for a passport under the name of another person okay uh they have all of that paperwork as they're leading him away he's insisting they have the wrong guy what he's like i am not i don't know who you're

talking about my name is bill phala what my name is bill phala i don't know what you're saying it's all my shit inside uh i deal in gold and jewelry it's my business yeah you have the wrong fucking guy okay whips out his driver's license william fayla wow there's my license this is me i don't know what the fuck you're talking about but he also has a briefcase uh-oh inside of his briefcase there's a videotape you know what's on that videotape a murder uh no it's his segment of america's most wanted what an asshole so they're like come on on, Dean. Come on, guy. What are you fucking kidding me?

He taped it and kept it. He taped it and kept it with him in a briefcase. With a handcuff on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's the nuclear football. It's fucking ridiculous. It's prized possession. It is.

So there's an FBI agent, Ralph DeFonzo. He was the guy who really tracked them down and did a lot of the legwork of how to find this guy and collected tips and vetted them and all that sort of thing. He goes to see Dean in jail, and he says, quote, I'm the one who's been tracking you for eight years. Dean says, so what?

That's his response. So DeFonzo says, well, I'll see you later because I'm leaving and you're not, and he walks out. He's like, that's all I needed to know. This guy's an asshole, basically. I like what he said. So what?

What do you want from me? It's like another good fellow. So we're here. One dog's going one way, the other dog's going the other way. And this guy's saying, what do you want from me? It's exactly the same thing. Watch Goodfellas if you haven't. I know you've actually seen that one, so I won't break your balls.

So he's got court coming up he's got an appearance where they're meeting uh the prosecutors to discuss something in april 1991 at a federal court in houston yeah uh they're doing all this they're in the court dean breaks away from his handlers what uh breaks away runs up to the second story out. They're on the 10th floor. He breaks away. Runs over to the 10th story window. Breaks the fucking window out and threatens to jump. So he's on the ledge of the window. Threatens to jump. Where's Kevin Spacey?

We need to negotiate. There's a standoff for 12 hours. What? 12 hours he threatens to jump. This is from 3 o'clock p.m. to 3 o'clock a.m. This guy is on a ledge. There's pictures of him just sitting there in a suit like just like looking down like just fucking miserable uh he's threatening to jump eventually when it started to rain they coaxed him back inside come on dean he's okay it's wet out here it's wet out here he didn't mean it he

wasn't serious he comes in it's uh they put him in a straight jacket at that point, and they fucking take him away. The butterfly nets are out, and he's gone. So what a pussy. He comes in when it starts to rain. Take him back to a fucking just, I mean, imagine that. They take him back to the cell. Imagine as they're walking him away. In a straight jacket.

In a straight jacket, and he's just like, he's just like he's miserable in the straight jacket walking to the car you know what i mean just fucking you know there's reporters imagine the reporters too they've been waiting for 12 hours there's lights flashing there's all this stuff going on and he hears some dogs barking it's very strange he's like i don't know what's going on there they're not looking for me he's like why is there dogs barking? And he looks over, and it's Bobby Colorado, animal trainer from Fredericksburg, Texas. And he says, How is it you came to arrive here?

What the fuck is wrong with you? No, seriously, look at it. Okay, I understand you move out to California, you're going to find the blonde ladies. I get that. I know. Back home, they're all there. Everybody's short and dark. Look at. Okay, I understand you move out to California. You're going to find the blonde ladies. I get that. I know. Back home. They're all there. Everybody's short and dark.

I understand. You're going out here. You're finding blonde women. That's nice. You go from one. You go to the other. What are you doing? Killing him, you fucking moron.

You're breaking in through skylights. You know why you do that? Because she didn't have a fucking dog. That's why I say come to Bobby Colorado. Animal trainer. I'll train your dog. Anybody jumps through the skylight. I'll bite their fucking dick off. She's got a talented kid.

You could have stuck around in that retirement. I got to go now. All right. All right. See you later. Poof. And in a cloud of dog shit and marinara sauce, he's gone. John is, Dean is very confused.

He has no idea what the fuck is going on. This is the thing, too. Think about this. Think about this. If this didn't fucking happen. Yeah. Dave Navarro's an accountant now, probably. Yeah. Honestly. It didn't fuck him up enough.

He has no eye makeup on. You're not gothy with eye makeup. You're just kind of a handsome fucking accountant. He played the guitar before that, but who knows if you'd have the darkness. Been caught stealing now when I was five. Might sound entirely different. The drugs and all that. Because the drugs started after this.

All that shit that brought him down that path. Who the fuck knows what would have happened without this. This created him. You see a gothy, dark. That's what this happened. It's not got people, but that causes that. Yeah. He wasn't like that before.

He really wasn't. So Dean, he hires a guy named Carl Jones, who's interesting. See, there you go. Well, this guy went on to be retained by OJ when OJ killed his wife. And then when OJ brought... So OJ believes Carl's are great, too. He does. When he brought Cochran in to be his main lawyer, Carl was moved to also defending OJ's son, Jason, in an assault case.

So he's part of the OJ team later here. He defended OJ's son because he assaulted his boss at a cafe. Yeah, that whole thing. That's one of the reasons that I believe that Jason was part of it. I'm convinced that Jason's a fucking, that kid's unhinged, bro. Look, man. I don't want to get too far into a different story. I watched the entire OJ trial on YouTube.

I'm not even kidding. It's like four months worth of shit. Like, if you sat and watched it straight, I can't even start getting into this. I'll start talking about what night manager was on at Metzaluna that night when Goldman got off his shift. I can't deal with this shit because I know who the fuck it was. I'm confident with Jason. Okay, go on. So he retains this guy here. In the opening statements, the prosecutors are saying that Dean's motive to kill her would have been proven by all of these stalking.

That is just uncountable documented incidences of stalking. Now, the defense, they're pissed off about the characterization of the relationship with Connie. They're saying, look, there's no stalking at all. What you have here is a genuine effort from a man who loved a woman very much, trying to salvage a relationship that was important to him. That's all they're saying. I don't understand this. He argued that the evidence would show, the defense attorney argued, the evidence would

show that Connie and Dean mutually cared for each other. They called each other all the time in January of 83. mutually cared for each other they called each other all the time in january of 83 he said that uh when uh when dean left for new york in february uh connie became concerned about it and they met uh there wasn't plans to get back together but the possibility was left open to him on that one day they might get back together yeah uh the the council said quote as late as march 2nd which is the day before she died yeah uh connie had not closed the door immediately on closing the relationship uh she said she needed time to assess where i am and what i want yeah that's what a woman says yeah when they're trying to hoping you'll find someone

else while you're out there and leave her a fuck alone uh now they bring sammy uh sammy sabatino into the mix he testifies tells police what he said earlier all that shit he admitted it blah blah blah uh he also on the stand they said well what's your criminal history uh he's had three three burglary related felony convictions and was tense uh was testifying against dean uh in in agreement with a pre with a plea agreement for a reduced sentence he also admitted that he quote that he wanted to, quote, get even with Dean, this is on the stand, because Dean never paid a $100,000 loan to him,

repaid it back to him, and also because Dean had provided information to the FBI that led to Sammy's arrest. Holy shit. So he's like, fuck that guy. Dean's a scumbag. Dean's a scumbag. It's so Sammy,

and they're just having a scumbag pissing contest right now. It's like the Whitey Bulger trial is fucking amazing. Oh, God. Because as Bulger came in when they finally arrested him, him and he and one of his associates were having like a fucking argument. Who's the bigger rat? Oh, God, yeah. In court.

I love when scumbags fight each other. Over who's the bigger scumbag. That's amazing you both suck you're both awful people uh his stepmother dean's stepmother rosemary ricardi testified that soon after the killings here that dean admitted to his father of the homicides now his father died in 1988 as we said so that's not really can't be confirmed uh she claimed the stepmother that in addition to saying this she says that uh she relayed this information to in a meeting with the fbi and only three weeks prior to her testimony uh but she says she says that she

also told them about this in the 80s and no one knew but that's not on record it's only it's only now she also had to deny us uh about she also had to deny writing a story about the killings uh but she also admitted she expressed some interest in writing about uh dean's upbringing and that she thought it would make an interesting book okay which is fucking interesting ideas to make money off of this shit yeah she's kind of an asshole too oh absolutely yeah she's was they're saying she he didn't say that to his dad he didn't call his dad up and go yeah i killed this fucking lady people yeah he's she's saying this because it can't be denied and she's trying she wants a fucking book deal out of

the whole thing and that's she's trying to get attention they also marilyn young and the ex husband mike get on the stand and they testify about uh that's got to be brutal it's crazy right the worst is that marilyn was supposed to be there. Right. Not only that. That's fucking awful. Dave feels insanely guilty. Does he? He feels insanely guilty.

Tell mom about the handcuffing. Yep. He didn't tell mom about the handcuffing. He thought that would have made a difference. And also he says in a way where he doesn't know if he's sad or what. He says it's kind of like a divine intervention thing. Why wasn't I there? Because he said he would have killed me too.

Yeah. He was my dad that night. Because he killed the other two. He would have killed me probably too so i could have been very easily dead if i went over there that night he has to look in the mirror every day and go my mom is amazing for giving me this what i have today yeah not only did she give birth and give me life but she saved my life by giving me to my dad yeah that's true otherwise that's the truth he would be dead too no absolutely mom up as a saint and a hero it's completely true they both testified about the kidnapping her basically for that weekend away they testified there the defense calls two

witnesses to rebuke the stepmother's testimony the first FBI special agent Gary Steger testified that while he was while Dean was on the run being a fugitive, there were 27 reported contacts between Rosemary, his stepmother and the FBI. None of the reports document that Rosemary relayed any information that he talked about the killings to his father. None of that shit. She made that shit up at the end. No.

In 30 times. Yeah. And they keep pretty, pretty close notes on that shit. That would have been something that would have probably been on the, on the report. They're one of the best at documenting. They're good at that shit. Right. Second, also second also he but look listen to this fucking game jesus christ

almighty good god the defendant's second cousin mario ragganese comes in i feel like this guy's mario this guy is fat and has sauce from a recently eaten lasagna dripping down his shirt i feel like it's still under the corner of his holy shit he testified that while dean was a fugitive uh uh that rosemary his stepmom had repeatedly spoken of her desire to write a book about his life about dean's life and had discussions with him and other family members with mario and other family members in order to research his history so mario ragganese he's like this fucking broad over you wanted to write a book you know what i'm saying i got hey anybody got a toothpick i got a piece of sauce i got a fennel seed there

was sausage in that still on my teeth there was a sausage in there i like that but it's a sweet one i got the fennel seeds i don't like that i like that so he's up there he goes he goes to lunch after this shit also too old mario ragganese says that rosemary told him repeatedly that she thought dean was innocent and never mentioned anything about shit to him uh there's hair evidence that the defense presents hair there's uh they did they introduce evidence of two long hair strands that were stuck to uh sue jory's bloody hands when the police processed the crime scene uh now in 83 they had they microscopically examined, but there's no whatever. They concluded that at the time that they were dissimilar to Dean's hair.

They were dissimilar to Dean's hair that they took from one of Dean's hairbrushes. They didn't attempt to match the hairs with Connie, Jory or Dave Navarro. Their hairs. You could have got them anywhere. Get some hairs. Hairs. Stick to your clothes. Right now, I'm in L.A. there are hairs from my dog on this fucking thing and you go oh there's a dog

from phoenix was here no they weren't there's there's much more in this hotel room i'm sure that yeah much more yeah hair everywhere illuminate all this room she said that although the length and color of david's hair at the time of the killings may have been consistent with the hairs found on jory's hands she didn't perform the test match match. She said that David's hair would have changed in the last 11 years and any new match would be unreliable. And this was a time still before you could easily DNA match it. Ninety one. She thinks that they're consistent with hairs that fell out, possibly of one of them, one of the victims. And it was possible that a bloody hand wiped across the carpet could have picked up the strands because they was as she was dragging them.

Anything could happened here. Dean testifies in his own defense. He testifies. He gets up there. He goes, that's how much of a con. He's like, I fucking got convinced. I'll get myself out of this. Hold on.

I got this. I got a great explanation. Here's the questions you asked me. He gives the guy a thing. X me this. X me this. So he testifies. He denies shooting connie he said he felt he did admit that he was frequently depressed and suicidal because of the breakup he also admitted he said that uh

he called connie frequently and he possibly annoyed her he talked about the different encounters that they had at the restaurants and all the weird shit but he had explanations for all of them he denied he was stalking her he just said that that, like, they had some of the same favorite restaurants in the same neighborhood, and her fitness center was along his usual jogging route. So if she saw him, you know, go by the window, that's all it was. One time he said he was in Venice to meet another woman

and to look at a restaurant, and after visiting the restaurant, he walked by Gold's Gym, and a car pulled up he said that connie rolled the window down and asked what he was doing he said they had a nice conversation uh they went off to have lunch uh you know he she said he said they went on she went off to have lunch he went off to have lunch they wound up seated at the next table from each other just coincidence like hey we just we have the same schedule that we belong together all right he said

that he asked connie if she was uncomfortable with him being there at the restaurant. She said no. He's saying I'm a gentleman here. The Joe George Hofer incident, the guy in Connecticut there, the modeling or the agency guy threatened the threatened. Yeah. Called the called at the hotel room. Dean denied following them to the restaurant and seeing them kiss and all that. He said he inadvertently saw them at a table at a restaurant that he and his friend had entered. They just looked at the restaurant. He said he did speak with Hofer over the telephone at Connie's home after grabbing the phone when she received a call. Because he was like, hey, don't fucking call my girlfriend. He said he exchanged angry words with Hofer. Hofer was talking shit back to him. And then he hung up on him my man the man uh he admitted he was jealous dean did but he denied knowing where hofer was saying he said i didn't know his airline information i didn't threaten to break connie's

knees i don't know anything about that that is all crazy he also denied uh he denied they that he kidnapped her for a whole weekend he said that they connie went willingly to a hotel uh he also admitted to meeting uh craig spencer connie and sue jory at a restaurant that was the finger gun incident but he said he didn't he didn't remain mute you later kid yeah he said he didn't remain mute he didn't point to do the the gun pointing thing uh he's that's that's crazy he also said that uh the david's account when he broke into the home, he said that is true. He did, but there was a partially open sliding glass door, and he just came in after no one answered the front door. He said it was open anyway on the second floor.

He climbed up. That's exactly where you go. That's what you do. I'm going to scale this wall quick. Sure. He denied ever pointing a gun at David or handcuffing him. He said instead that he told David to stay in the bathroom because he didn't want to be a witness in case he shot himself that's what he said uh he said uh it's a bad story terrible story he says that connie came home uh she calmed him down and

convinced him not to kill himself uh they talked for a minute and connie went she said connie went to dave's uh dave's bathroom told him everything was fine and that Dean wasn't going to kill himself. He said the day before the killings, he did meet with Connie to discuss the letter she wrote him, but he denied breaking into the home and stealing the letter. She said that he said that it was already sent to me. He claimed he only broke into her house once. That was with the Dave incident with the home alone thing. He also denied telling her that if he wanted to hurt her he could have done so he admitted going out with the stephanie uh brisendine woman at the restaurant at the tampico tillies and discussing uh connie with her he said he couldn't remember if he showed

her the letter uh he did admit that he had stephanie call the home from the pay phone call connie because he was afraid connie would uh would would pick up the wouldn't pick up the phone if she heard uh wouldn't talk if she heard his voice. He denied giving Stephanie instructions to do what if David answered. He also denied having a gun in his car, which doesn't matter because then he went and shot him a fucking minute later, so it doesn't matter. He also said that he didn't go to Connie's condominium that night,

but he was at home during the killings, and he left in the morning on a flight to New York to visit his terminally ill aunt. So he's like, I was sitting home waiting to go on a flight just thinking about my aunt. I mean, it's a great story. He said that his friend, Michael Hammer, I mean, he feels like he can just talk his way out of this shit. He's painting a story of a guy that's just heartbroken. Just a regular old guy, just circumstances. He says his friend, Michael hammerman uh who was dead by

the time he's testifying this uh said he drove him to the airport that day he said he didn't know about the killings until days later when hammerman called him up on the phone and warned him that he was a suspect he's like my connie's dead oh no like what what happened here he said when he learned as a suspect he was a suspect he didn't come back to los angeles because he was afraid of being convicted of a crime he didn't commit wow you know he said he'd have he had prior burglary felonies possession of stolen goods and firearm by a convicted felon this is all his previous crimes that i could not find yeah fucking documentation really oh god no he's nothing famous it's hard there's no press accounts of just some regular guy burglarizing shit so

even knows if that's even true? That's what I mean. Well, he's got, yeah. He's admitting to it on the stand. On court. They probably have a record. Yeah. He said that he acknowledged that he had other uncharged burglaries in several different states.

That's the ones we talked about. He also said that he did have his nose shortened and a mole removed two years after the killings. So he's like, yeah, no, I ran away. That part's true. I hid, but I was all because I was scared. Closing arguments, the defense says that... Would you have your fucking nose shortened to not be convicted of a crime you didn't commit?

That seems really extreme, I think. Yeah, moles removed. Well, who knows? It might have had malignancy. Because he was an asshole. He was a terrible human being. Yeah, he wanted to kill people and not be recognized. So in closing argument the defense council tries to uh tear apart marilyn young's testimony

and says that it's tainted and biased against dean and she's she's painting marilyn young as this evil person the defense lawyer says quote what does your human experience tell you about people if a close friend or family member of yours was killed somebody was charged with the murder you think you might go out of your way to be helpful in the prosecution i don't know maybe subconsciously maybe if you start thinking about little things that you start thinking you should have seen little things maybe you should have told someone that you didn't you start looking and trying to remember things that maybe didn't happen but that seems yeah maybe maybe those incidents were worse than i thought and you start to make yourselves believe it were true which is a good strategy honestly great that said that sounds reasonable but there's

like eight people that all say the same thing the other part is like you're discounting just a friend like you can't discount a son's testimony sons a neighbor an ex-husband right the other guy the dude with the sliding glass door that his wife everybody's fucking seeing this dave's life has been turned upside down because of this man think about how much the waiters in this area know the servers at the restaurants know all of this shit that's what they should want there are some stories here that i guarantee will blow your fucking mind oh definitely no probably not us but other people maybe the defense also argues that connie wasn't afraid of him yeah uh she says the prosecutor can say that she was just too frightened to say no,

that she was just too upset. Well, come on. If a man has threatened to hurt you that bad, and he's threatening to kill you and kill the people around you, are you going to see him 13, 14 times within 27, 26 days? That's a lie. Based on Connie's letters, counsel argued that they had a close relationship.

Not close. If you're stalking and she's begging you not to stalk, that's not close. And she's in fear of her life. She's going to give in a little bit. And there's no stalking laws. There's nothing to tell him to go the fuck away.

No, especially not at the time. So July 29th, 1994, a jury finds old John Alexander Riccardi, old Dean here, guilty of first degree murder of both Connie and Sue Jory by firearm. In the penalty phase, they bring in Sue's daughter. She was 13 at the time her mother was killed.

She testified that her mother was her best friend and that Connie was her godmother and like a second mother who she called Aunt Connie. And she always said if anything happened to her mother, she hoped she could live with Connie and her son Dave because they were family to her. Unbelievable. The whole thing. She's just a heartbreaking testimony. Dave are best friends now. I hope so. I hope Dave keeps him.

I hope he doesn't think he's too big to fucking hang out with her because this poor girl went through a lot. Lost her mom to Dave. Yeah. This poor girl went through a lot. She lost her mom too, Dave. Yeah. She said she wrote a letter to Dean actually after the killing saying, how could you be so selfish to think that you had the right to fuck up everybody's life like this?

Good kid. She went to therapy for six years. She basically said she had to go live with her father and she had a difficult and horrible relationship with her stepmother. And she basically said she spent the next four years after her mother's death uh quote locked in her room just avoiding everything dave was 15 he testified um that the this just completely fucking destroyed his life when it happened he was 15 when it happened uh he says his father was so devastated by all of this happening that he had to take care of his father he was a complete wreck uh he said that dave said himself that he became suicidal uh his father couldn't care for him uh he started to use drugs

he said he started to use you know weed and alcohol and he ended up doing heroin which is you know he used he became a complete junkie and you become a rock star and all this type of shit because someone kills your mother it's that's fucking sad dave says quote i definitely use drugs as an escape uh from the death issue but i also used uh used the death issue to do drugs that night i discovered if i ingest something it's going to make the pain a lot better i picked up a joint and smoked it and realized that it took the pain away i became a full-blown drug addict from that night on the truth is i was just trying to find an escape from all the trauma i had gone through ultimately all those things did was compound the trauma and make my life much, much worse.

So, yeah, he had a tough all of his struggles. A lot of his struggles in the future. All this is based on him trying to put this together. It's very sad. We'll find out how he ended up doing this in the end here because he actually ended up. He's dealing with it in a very good way nowadays. He testifies here in the penalty phase that he's always been afraid of him of dean he often has nightmares about dean he feared that dean would return to kill him and

his father at one point he was scared he also blamed his mother's death on himself because he failed to discuss the incident uh when he broke into the house and handcuffed handcuffed him to the toilet and he said that he wished the defendant had killed him instead of his mother. Wow. So he's fucking guy's a mess, man. I feel bad for him. The defense penalty phase, they bring in a woman named Liz Brooks. She says she's had a friendship with Dean for 15 years and described him as polite and considerate and respectful.

She said she also knew Connie Navarro and Mike Navarro and would often socialize with them. They went out to dinner a couple of times. She said that it appeared that Dean loved both Connie and Dave. She testified that Dave and Dean were very close, like father and son, and when they broke up, Dean and Connie, Dean was very upset and depressed. She did say, though, after a little while of being depressed, that he began to reconcile and come to or he began to come to terms with the breakup. He said he was fine.

And she has kept regular contact with Dean, this Brooks woman, since he's been incarcerated. Also, a guy from a pastor from Hope Chapel in Hermosa Beach testifies for him. Henry Caney says that they became a close friendship and that they were very happy and in love. Connie and Dean and all this horse shit. Right. It's ridiculous, man. He says eventually trouble emerged and he gives that story. He said that he advised Dean to leave Connie alone and get some distance between them with the whole thing. He also described that during the breakup that that dean lost 20 to 30 pounds

dramatically uh he became despondent resistant suicidal and they said all of that was very character uncharacteristic of him and uh he says that he also maintains contact with him even from prison uh he asked that the jury show quote quote mercy toward his brother and he said he loves him uh they also by the way the jury by the way very important yeah they found uh special circumstances in the multiple murders uh that this of the multiple murders but they find that he did commit these murders while engaging the commission of a robbery right therefore they give him the death penalty wow yeah and say take that motherfucker oh yeah that's wow it's for mercy well at this point jesus christ almighty he's ruined several fucking lives

so many people all these fucking people the dave that what's their name the the young girl sue's daughter and what about all the friends though that like felt like they should have fucking done something or maybe i could have done something. How many fucking people's lives are goddamn destroyed by this? I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. But not nearly as bad as I feel for John Riccardi, an account manager at a U.S. vaccine division in the greater Milwaukee area. Yes, the vaccine does something with vaccines. He's better than this guy is what we're saying.

He's a fucking this guy, is what we're saying. I hope he's fucking cured polio. John Riccardi, chief financial officer at Omnibio Pharmaceutical Inc. CFO. CFO. And this company showed, Jesus, I'm insane. This company showed 69.57% earnings growth last year. Wow. Fuck yeah, John Riccardi.

John's killing it. Do your goddamn thing. Way to go, you CFO. Finally, John Riccardi, dean of, this is great because he's got a dean in the title of his job, dean of the Boston University School of Law. So that poor bastard here. Wow. The dean.

The dean. Hilarious. 1999, there's another appeal coming. There's several appeals because it's a death penalty case. Dave testifies. He said, about testifying, he said, quote, I had to face the killer in court last year. dave testifies uh he said uh about testifying he said quote i had to face the killer in court last year this was in 2000 he said it i had to take the stand as a witness and to the left of me were pictures of the crime scene on a fucking board

i had to ask for them to be covered so they left pictures of his dead mom up there while he testified which is fucking horrific which is probably what they the prosecution wanted the jury to see i'm sure or the judge panel because it's an appeal not the jury uh july 16th 2012 uh the uh the court appeals court finds that dean's right to confrontation and due process weren't violated uh by uh because they weren't allowed to they weren't allowed to cross-examine mike navarro about a piece of evidence they were they ruled it and that he couldn't do it uh so they ruled that that's not a big deal there was a tape there was a certain tape and they said that they were questioning the source of the tape sure from the answering machine he taped it from the tape

onto something else and so because there was other shit on the tape so whatever so that was a big deal here but there are juror issues there are issues with the juror there's issues with the juror response things there are jurors who uh there are jurors for jurors who were dismissed uh when they shouldn't have been yeah there was some problems here uh not to get into the because this could we could talk for an hour about jury questionnaires and shit like that but uh basically there were questions of do you think the uh general feelings about the death penalty is it wrong to take a life for any reason blah blah blah that sort of thing like all these different uh deals he wrote the one juror wrote yes in response to a question that asked whether this juror would automatically and absolutely refuse to vote for

the death penalty in any case so So they were dismissed based on those. So basically, they're arguing that there's a bias against the death penalty on here. That's why the prosecution dismissed them. But then the defense is saying, hey, what the fuck? That should be part of it, too. They're part of the population. Also, one person that was dismissed from the jury was dismissed because she loved the death penalty. And they said that wasn't right.

She believed. How did they find that person? She believed the death penalty was, quote, not used enough. She said that she's pissed off that the sentence isn't carried out for many years later. And yeah, so she wrote no, she would not automatically refuse the death penalty. What a vicious lady she is. Absolutely. Another one here, the prosecutor, they claim that they dismissed a black guy for no reason

and they thought the black guy could have helped. They said that the prosecutor claimed his reasons for dismissing the black juror was, quote, was number one, his answers concerning the relevance of a defendant's flight from the scene of a crime. That seems reasonable as a reason number two quote his big earring that was reason number two he went my man's a hustler he's gonna game respect game he's gonna like this guy fuck that and he dismissed him uh yeah that's ridiculous so that was a thing here uh now the court upholds the murder conviction but unanimously reverses the death penalty sentence, ruling that the trial judge wrongly dismissed a prospective juror who had expressed conflicting views on the death penalty.

So now he is sentenced to life without parole at that point. So, yeah, he's in there for life without parole. He's not going to get out. 2013, as part of a film that he's making, Dave went to San Quentin to visit Dean. He's in San Quentin. Yeah, he's in San Quentin. He went to visit Dean, and he said, quote, I happen to have one of those conditions where I'm afraid of something I have to do, is what Dave said.

He's very afraid of this. He says, quote, I don't want to turn this guy into an interesting character. I like a lot of crime television, 48 hours, Dateline, Investigation Discovery. And those are very rarely shown, those stories, as focusing on the impact of the family and friends and emotions and that sort of thing. The fucking aftermath. Yeah, he said they're always focused on the killer, and I didn't want to tell that. So he was happy that he wasn't allowed to record his meeting. The prison wouldn't allow him to record his meeting with Dean.

There's some sort of shit you have to go through. He didn't want to put that guy's story out. He just wanted to tell about his own story. And unfortunately, they overlap. Well, yeah. He said that the meeting ended in an awkward exchange. And he says, quote, I wanted it to make me feel scorn and anger and rage, and it just didn't. It did, however. says quote i just want i wanted it to make me feel scorn and anger and rage and it just didn't it did however uh he just said it just it made him realize that he was just quote some old dude

dying in jail that's it he's like he was nothing nothing more than that i like it uh 2014 the second district of uh second district court of appeals upholds dean's prison term uh after rejecting his attorney's request to overturn his sentence and and dismiss the fucking case 2015 dave releases a documentary navarro releases a documentary called morning son morning is in in morning uh it's got an 8.3 out of 10 on imdb i did not watch it on purpose yeah because i didn't want to be clouded yeah by i don't know i just didn't want to have an emotion that i stick the court documents and raw shit and you'll end up loving dave well i just because he's fucking charming well and i know well i know the story and i feel fucking horrible for him too and i just i didn't want

i don't know i just didn't want to be clouded by it but uh yeah he said that making this film has uh helped him sort out his feelings uh he says about his mom he says quote it's almost been a rebirth of my relationship with her uh in the light of the film he said uh he says about his mom he says quote it's almost been a rebirth of my relationship with her uh in the light of the film he said uh he said my mom my memories of her are no longer shrouded in sadness i think that's partly because i was so close to the events as a child especially uh being in the 1980s those words weren't really thrown around uh domestic violence uh so he said it's just different he said as the words weren were putting thrown around, the wives were, which is exactly. So he just didn't hear about it.

Stalking wasn't a thing either. He said, quote, as we were putting the project together, it dawned on me that that's what I'm talking about. Domestic violence, stalking. Absolutely. That's what he was doing. Uh, 2016, the investigation discovery channel, uh, honors Dave and gives him, uh, an inspire an inspire, a Difference Award.

Inspire a Difference honors. He's the first man to receive the accolade. It's been all women before that. Connie is buried in Westwood Memorial Park in Los Angeles. And Dave has a tattoo of his mom on his left rib cage. If you see a woman standing up like a thin woman standing, blonde woman, that's his mom. That's nice. So if you see that tat, that's what that is uh can't get enough of dean alexander

tough shit because nobody else gives a fuck about this guy and there's no memorabilia or anything available he's a dickhead he's gonna die in prison fuck you dean uh that said holy shit that's a tale wow that's a fucking tale the first two it's a different one for our show i would do a little different this time it's a crazy case no our show we'll do a little different this time it's a crazy case no sports we weren't into this crime crime crime

I can't believe that I didn't know about this when I loved Jane's Addiction weird I loved Jane's Addiction when I was a kid

Dave Navarro's fucking amazing he shreds he's amazing I love Jane's Addiction I never knew that his mom was murdered I didn't know

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