Crime in Sports - #91 - Like Peanut Butter & Cocaine - The Hardheadedness of Michael Nunn

Episode Date: October 31, 2017

This week, we are buried in a mountain of cocaine, violence, stupidity, arrogance, and just plain crazy. A tough guy turned world champion that could never quite let go of his old friends, neighborhood, and terrible habits. He fights opponents in the ring... and police, girlfriends, wives, family foes, trainers, and even elderly motorists, outside the ring. His tale is a winding road of lunacy, and bad decisions, ending in a prison sentence worthy of a murderer. Right up our alley!!Stuff a kilo down your pants, curl up inside your sister's dryer, and take part in Junior on Junior violence with Michael "Second To" Nunn!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at...patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] tickets to Crime In Sports LIVE in Chicago on December 14 at http://www.lh-st.com/Shows/12-14-2017+Crime+In+Sports+LiveGet tickets for the LIVE Small Town Murder on the same night athttp://www.lh-st.com/Shows/12-14-2017+Small+Town+Murder+LiveCheck out or site: truecrimecomedyteam.comAll web support by Web and Writerwebandwriter.com or Facebook.com/webandwriterContact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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There'll be a commercial for it later on in the show. All that good stuff. But get that all out of the way. Let's clear that out. Clear the decks, Jimmy. Should we do some updates real quick? We do have an update. Let's do that quickly before we move on. The update is we know that Bob Barker's alive. Yes, we know that. He screwed that up twice now. We have killed him twice and he's still out there

screaming for you guys to... He's like 100. It's an honest mistake. I think it's 97 or something. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous that he's still alive, honestly. That's on him. That's on Bob for being alive. He's on borrowed time. Us saying he's dead is just... We're just getting ready. Give it a couple years and it'll be true.

Right, exactly. And the other one is so much fun. It's not really fun. It's actually terrifying for Las Vegas. Yeah, watch out, Vegas. But Kelly Ryan is out. Flying Ryan is out of prison. She's out from Craig Titus episode.

His wife, he and her, together. Oh, yeah, they killed a woman. They definitely killed a woman together. Put her in a trunk and lit that car on fire in a blaze in a desert in Vegas. Hell of a story. Go back and listen. Craig Titus. It is insane.

And she is out. So beware. When you're at the gym in Vegas, you could be working out right next to a lunatic. Someone says, I used to be a fitness model. Run the other direction. Do not get her phone number. She's hot. Don't get her phone number. I've been around. The last 15 years or so have been a little rough fitness model. Run the other direction. Do not get her phone number. She's hot. Don't get her phone number.

I've been around. In the last 15 years or so, I've been a little rough for her. I bet they have. And then get the hell out of there. I guarantee she's still gigantic and ripped. Oh, she probably is, too. She probably is. Just watch out.

It's funny, too, because we had a Craig Titus update last week with OJ. He was working out with OJ. Yeah, that's so weird. Back-to-back weeks, they're both in the news. That episode. Go back and listen to Craig Titus. It's confirmed she is already out. Wow.

It's not even like paperwork is going. She's free. There are no handcuffs. She's not behind bars. Well, let's talk about a fellow here this week. This is a fun one. Let's talk about Michael John Nunn. Okay.

Michael Nunn. Do you know who he is? He's a boxer. No. Not familiar. By the way, it's N-N-U. It's Nunn, N-U-N-N. And you are going to hear a lot of Nunn wordplay with this guy.

Of course. Obviously, his nickname. What's a Catholic Nunn wordplay? No, mainly like Nunn. Like Nunn better. Oh, Christ. Like his nickname is Michael Second Two Nunn. Get the fuck out of here.

That's his nickname, Michael Second to None. Oh, boy. Which, I mean, he got the nickname in the 80s, so it wasn't that hacky yet. But still, it's a little cheesy to be doing it. But whatever. Michael None. Let's get into it here because it's a crazy story. Date of birth, April 14, 1963.

Okay. He's an Iowa kid. Grows up in Davenport, Iowa. Okay. Now, before we get into all his youth, we'll just say he's a lefty. So for boxing, that's going to be helpful. He's a southpaw, which makes him very difficult to fight. No, he was born in the 60s.

Oh, he's a fighter in the 70s and 80s, right? 80s. 80s and 90s. I guess you got a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's not. He's not fighting at 14. No, no, not especially not professionally.

No, no, no. So, yeah, he grows up in Davenport, Iowa. Now, a lot of this, a lot of his youth stuff, a lot of his younger days came from a story called, Jesus, it's a 1989 fluff piece in Sports Illustrated called None Better is the name of it. It's by a guy named Pat Putnam. They did a really good job of chronicling his early life. They really did. So I got a lot of good stuff out of that. So I just want to give them credit for that because they did good work on that shit.

His father, Nunn's father, was gone very early. Knew nothing about his father. His father was having Nunn. His father was having Nunn of any of this shit. He has a brother named Willie and two sisters named Sylvia and Betty. And they're all raised by their mother, I guess, Maddies. M-A-D-I-E-S. I don't know how, Maddies?

Maddies? Maddies? Maddies sounds like an old lady, doesn't it? Maddies. All right, we'll call her Maddies because that's more fun. She works as a nurse's aide, old Maddies does, and the kids kind of start cutting up a bit, that sort of thing. Things were hard in Davenport.

I wouldn't imagine that, but apparently Davenport had some rough streets back then. Some like thug-living streets? Yeah. A friend of his said, quote, Davenport is a place where many kids got into trouble. If Davenport was a place where kids didn't need to look for trouble, it was around the corner. So he was just saying it's always there.

They talk about Michael began fighting on the street at about 12 years old. He didn't need much encouragement for it. His older brother Willie said, quote, Michael would start a fight, but then when the other guy got mad, he'd hang back. I'd tell him if he started something, he'd better finish it. Then he got to liking it. It took about a month. So for about a month, he went from I don't want to get in a fight to, hey, let's get in some fights. This is fun.

So that's the kind of guy he was here. By the time he's like a teenager, if anything happens, if they heard there was a big brawl, they're like, let's talk to Nunn first. He was probably involved in this. They used to call on the street, I guess they called him Wonder Mike. And the rumor is that the cops gave it to him. Yeah. And I wonder what Mike is doing wrong tonight. I wonder who Mike beat up tonight.

I wonder what Mike's doing. Wonder Mike? Wonder Mike. I don't know. He was just known as a real badass around the streets of Davenport. At least the cops were clever enough to come up with something like that instead of using his dumb right. They didn't use a nun pun. That's good.

Good for them. A nun pun. something like that and saying he's dumb right they didn't use a non-pun that's good good for them imagine how many articles were written about him with a non-wordplay imagine how many shitty titled articles i've read from high school to now forget it oh my god ridiculous uh his friend here john haynes who we talked to before what's better known as june bug that's his nickname really june bug awesome let's talk to june got an uncle j as Junebug. That's his nickname. Really? Junebug. Awesome. Let's talk to Junebug. He's got an Uncle Junebug. This is one of his closest friends from childhood.

He said, quote, big guys, older guys would come around to see how tough he was. Police never picked him up at the scene of a fight. It never lasted that long. It was like one, two, or one, two, three, and a kick, and it was all over. Then the police would just go over to his house to get him. But he never spent one night in jail. They talked to him and let him go. Mike was no thief or nothing.

The cops knew that. It was the neighborhood we lived in. You had to fight to survive. Jesus. So that's the type of place it was, and it was just, you know, fight with your fists. At least they weren't shooting each other. That's good. It was just a bunch of kids fighting in the streets, which sounds like—

I mean, that's a fairly safe place to live still. It sounds like Brooklyn in the 30s is what it sounds like. You know what I mean? Like, they're going to go out and fight. There's no weapons or anything. He brought a knife. That's not right. What kind of dick is that?

We're going to have a little meeting. We're going to have a rumble. No weapons, see? Oh, my God. So he's got nothing going on. He starts fucking around, and he does get picked up by the cops a few times. He says he never spent a night in jail for the fights and all that, but he does get picked up for the cops. There's some stupid shit, disorderly conduct, a couple of little drug minor drug things, things like that.

He's an idiot, basically. He's out there fighting in the streets. Obviously, he's a moron. So he's doing what he feels he needs to do. He finds kind of like, I guess, a surrogate father, for lack of a better term, and a guy named Marshall Jackson, who's an older cousin of his. And Marshall Jackson would give him a few bucks. He'd let him use his car. He was kind of his older brother type.

He'd advise him. He'd do that sort of thing. This Jackson said, why don't you start boxing? You like to fight so much. I knew this was coming. You need something to do. It's his idea. Yeah, he said, you could see where he was heading, and I

could see all that raw talent. I told him, you want to fight? Get in a ring. You keep up that fight in an alley, and someday someone's going to shoot you or cut you up bad. Yeah, smart. That's exactly right. So what does he do? He starts fighting. He goes to the Golden Gloves right away. 1982, he is Golden Gloves champ at 147 pounds.

I mean, right away, man. He's 15 years old. He's in there. I'm sorry, 19 years old. Golden Gloves champ right off the bat. 1983, 156 pounds. He moves up. And they all say he's a natural 156 guy.

He wins Gold Glove again. Not too bad. moves up uh he and they all say he's a natural 156 guy uh he uh wins gold glove again yeah not too bad right around this time in the midst of his gold glove winning performances he has a son oh jesus of course he has a son jimmy's gotta have a son he doesn't have his life together he's trying to get it together what do you got to do you got to have a kid should he name a junior what are you gonna name that kid jimmy what are you possibly gonna name that kid, Jimmy? Oh, no. What are you possibly going to name that kid? Fucking Nunn Jr.? Michael Nunn goddamn Jr. Of course it's a junior. What an asshole. He will never make a good...

This guy, we have the rules as we've set up. Don't move home. Don't find religion. Don't name your kid Jr. He breaks every one of our rules. Unbelievable. This guy is the crime and sports poster child for stupid actions. Dad abandons him.

It's exactly everything. And then it just falls in line with everything that we know is going to happen. Even like the mother who's like overly, everything. It's ridiculous, man. So 1984, he goes and he fights at the 165 pound level and wins there also. So three years in a row, he's Golden Glove champs. And he's going up. He's a Golden Glove champ.

It's not like he's staying in the same weight class and winning. He's going up, which is so much harder. Absolutely, as we'll see in the rest of his career here. In his amateur career, he was 168 and 8. So that's a lot of fighting. These guys fight so much. Add all this up. Think about that.

You're talking about 176 fights. 176 fights. 176 fights. That's crazy. That's in so many fights. And that's at amateur level. That's at amateur. That's before he goes pro. And how many, if you do that over four years, that's still every like fucking 12 days.

You're having a fight every couple of weeks. Think about that. Think about that. And now when we talk about his whole career and how long some of these fights last, imagine how many shots to the head this guy has taken. It's insane. He has, in 1984, he goes to the Olympic trials. He's asked, he's not comfortable fighting at 165.

He won the gold gloves, but that's not where he wants to be. He's not a world-class athlete in that weight class. Yeah, and he feels uncomfortable. He can knock the shit out of some dudes in Davenport at that weight class. Yeah, exactly. It's a step up the deal here. You're talking about corn-fed fucking shuckers this is a different thing this isn't fucking they got the shucking Tokyo's best at 156 no this is not the the world beaters this

isn't the professionals isn't Hearns and Hagler those guys you know in this in this division uh so uh he ends up moving up to the 165 at the you know behest of the U.S. boxing officials. What they wanted to do, they had a guy named Frank Tate who actually – Tate – Taint I just called him. I thought you did. Frank Tate. Wow. Frank, the space between your asshole and nuts. Wow.

So the Tate man lost to Nunn. Nunn was having – he was having none of that Tate. None of the Tate. None of the Tate. This is – when they were amateurs, Nunn beat Tate man lost to Nunn. Nunn was having none of that Tate. None of the Tate. None of the Tate. When they were amateurs, Nunn beat Tate. But now they're saying, we want Tate to be our 156 guy, so will you move up to another division so he can be there? So he's not comfortable fighting at 156? He's going to go up to 165?

He's not comfortable fighting at 165. Oh, okay. They're making him fight at 165. He wants to fight at 156. Yes. But they're saying this Tate guy is our 156. He's our comfortable fighting at 165. Oh, okay. They're making him fight at 165. He wants to fight at 156. Yes. But they're saying this Tate guy is our 156. He's our 156. And he eventually wins the gold medal at 156.

So they were right about that. But still, he was heralded the next big middleweight. He's the guy. Anybody who wins a gold in the Olympics is going to have a huge, everyone's going to look at him here. But he beat Taint, correct? He beat Taint when they were amateurs. I just want to call him Taint forever.

Taint's last loss to him came as last amateur loss came to Nunn. Okay. So Nunn is not exactly, you know, he's not exactly a schlub here. So what he ends up doing is he ends up fighting Virgil Hill, Nunn does, for the Olympic trials to try to get in here. Hill defeats Nunn 4-1 in the trials. Then they have, because they have a two thing, two fights, and then Nunn wins 5-0

in a box-off in Las Vegas. Then they have a deciding bout at Caesar's Palace, and Hill ends up getting a quick knockdown of Nunn in the first round, and then the fight goes, and it ends up being 5-0 for Hill. So Virgil Hill ends up going on. What a lot of people were saying about him was as an amateur fighter,

they called him the best two-round boxer in the world on natural talent for the amateur fights. But they were saying they were worried about his conditioning. Going the distance, the decision's going to go to somebody else. They're saying basically he's not going to be a pro here if he can't go 10 rounds. You've got to be able to go 10 rounds if you're a pro here. So 1984, he's dejected. He feels like shit. Yeah. He was, you know, didn't didn't get to the Olympics. He's being told he's not going to be a pro. He's not going to do anything. So where do you go? Go back to Davenport, baby. Not Japan. That's where all the kids from Davenport go when they need a place to go. No, he goes to Davenport, Iowa to look for a job.

That's all he does. Virgil Hill, by the way, went on to win a silver medal in that weight class. So not bad. So they got the right guy. Now, he encountered, in his amateur days, he encountered an old referee named Shurkin. And Shurkin said he was, like like mad at nunn for coming home he said you're not planning a professional career he said he confronted him and said quote what are you going to do and nunn said i'm going to get a job okay and uh shirkin said doing what you're going to

rob banks mug old ladies everything is closing around here there's no work you got three choices stay here and take a chance on going to jail get a a job at McDonald's, or fight as a professional. I've got the right people for you. Just give it three years is what he tells him. Get the fuck out of Davenport is what he's telling him. Get the fuck out of Davenport. Don't go home. No, you never stay there.

Haven't you listened to Crime and Sports? Get the fuck out of there. God damn it. So they found this organization, or Shurken knew of these guys here. It's called 10 Goose Boxing. It's in Southern California. It's eight brothers and two sisters run this whole thing. What's it called?

10 Goose Boxing. Because their last name is. Eight brothers and two sisters. Their last name is Goosen. Got it. So it's 10 Gooses. 10 Gooses basically here. Yeah.

So they said that they. That would be geese. Okay. So they should call it. They should call it 10 Geese Boxing. I'm a fucking idiot. That's okay. Gooses, mooses, it's all fine.

Whatever. So they decided they were playing wiffle ball one day and then said, let's manage some fighters. Let's start a company, which is what I usually, when I play wiffle ball, I end up in a business. Well, there was probably a little bit of a brawl over the score. Well, that or just alcohol. There's a lot of drinking in there like this. You know what we should do? We should totally start a fucking show.

No curveballs. I told you. It's not fair. How did you do that? It has holes in it. So some of these stories are funny. They named a fighter. Their first guy was named Nacho.

He was working at a gas station. And so they had a guy spar with him. And the guy, the first time Nacho got punched in the nose, he got in his car and took off and never came back. So that was their first fight. That's the first guy. That didn't work out. The first guy said, no more. Yeah, next guy.

Now, keep this in mind, because this comes out. Rolls-Royce salesman and boxing. It's very strange. The next guy was a Rolls-Royce salesman. They nicknamed him the Fighting Armenian. He did about seven fights and then decided to go back to selling cars. So, yeah. Boxing's hard and it's not for everybody.

You know what I mean? But let's see what Michael Nunn thought about it. A little in their own words. In their own words. Quote, I thought, what the heck? I wasn't doing anything and he was only asking for three years. If it didn't work out, there was still Davenport. I said, let's go. So he got a

plane to Los Angeles, got a hotel, and met the Goossens. Oh, boy. So he's off and running. Dan Goossen, who's kind of the main trainer there, he said that he was super impressed with him. He signed him for a $10,000 signing bonus, which probably seemed like a lot of money at the time. Dan says about the fighters, different managers getting different fighters, he said, quote, the others got the gold medal winners. We got the gold nugget.

So they think they got the best fighter out of it. Dan moves Michael into an apartment building near his home in Sherman Oaks, California. He said he wanted him near him, not to keep an eye on him, but so he could come over and eat and watch TV and kind of be part of his family. He said they've always been a close family and he wanted Michael to be part of it. family. He said they've always been a close family and he wanted Michael to be part of it. Later, Michael was joined by his fiancée,

Laritha, and their daughter, LaShonta. And they also had they were just married in August at that point. And they also had a son back in Davenport, Michael Jr., with a previous woman, obviously, because he's not going to be with the same woman. He's a boxer.

He can't stick around. Come on. What are we doing here? These are athletes. You think there's a happy ever after? No, there's no happy ever after. There's always a few kids in another city. Right. Always.

It's a very depressing ever after. Just get used to it. It's never going to get better. It's just not. So he's out there. He's training. He's ready to be a pro fighter. Yeah.

And he accomplishes this on December 20th, 1984 at the Showboat in Vegas. All right. He fights John Borman, who is a four and six career fighter, total his whole career, and he's 0-2 coming into the fight. This is not his first win. Okay. Nunn wins by TKO in round one at 226. How many wins does he have after this fight?

Four. No, after this fight? He's got four total, and he he had none coming in, so four. He's four and three for the rest of his career, the fighter he beats. You talking about none or the guy he just fought?

No, the other guy. None? No, the other guy. The one he fought, I just told you. He's four and six career. Right. He's 0-2 coming into this fight.

And this is not the one he fights. This is not the one he fights. This is not his win. No. So how many wins does he have after this fight? Well, he has none. Right.

Exactly. You said after this fight. Right, after this none. Right. Exactly. You said after this fight. Right, after this fight, he still has none. Yes, I'm thinking total in his whole career. What are you talking about, Jimmy? One fight, one fight. I'm leading you to none. Yes, you're leading me to none.

There's going to be so many of those. You got to leave that behind for now. We don't even need to look for them, Jimmy, because they just keep coming. I'm telling you. We just keep... I'm telling you. I'm so aware of the onslaught of nuns coming. I didn't even know that there was a nun there. Wow.

February 8th, 1985. All right. So a couple months later, he's at Caesars Tahoe in Stateline, Nevada, which is not great. No. He fights Ishmael Templos, a 2-9 career fighter. Oh. He's 2-8 coming in, so guess what? After this, he has none more fights.

This is his last fight. How many more fights does he have? None. None. So this is a KO for Michael in round four of six. Okay. So he's 2-0 now. Now, right after this fight, Bob Arum signs him to a contract to promote him.

Bob Arum is a total asshole, the ultimate silver-haired middle-aged white man, a complete dick, known as many boxers call him a thief left and right, known as one of the bigger thieves. One of the worst people in boxing. Yeah, but he signed him. He said, quote, he kept winning, and all my people kept saying he was a stinker. This is Aram talking. He said, but I promoted a lot of Ali fights.

And every time I looked at none, he reminded me of young Ali. Oh, Jesus. A boxer who never came down off his toes. I knew that if the kid ever started to plant his feet like Ali finally did, he would be a hell of a puncher. I told my people to shut up and keep using him. Wow. So he sees something in Michael. He really does.

So all this leads to Michael. He really does. So all this leads to March 26th, 1985. This is at the Country Club in Reseda, California. Oh. This is kind of where. Like a Tom Petty song. Exactly. Yeah, those girls, they love horses.

Right. Live right off the freeway. So this is kind of like their kind of home. This is where the Goosen guys do a lot of their fights. It's in California. It's where they're based at. He fights Robert Wayman Jackson, who was a 6 and 19 career fighter. Jesus.

He lost the last 10 fights in his career. As we've said, 10's enough. You lose 10 straight, you're done. This was his fourth fight of that 10. so that tells you a lot there. It's a KO for Michael at 122 of round one. This is a quick... Ending this career fast.

Mike likes to dance. He's a dancer. He's a... He doesn't mix it up much like that, especially early in his career. So for him to knock you out in 1 minute 22, you have to just be putting your chin out for him because he's going to want to dance a little bit here. That brings him to three and out. Like that Chappelle bit

where you lay your chin out there. Yeah, yeah. Put it right here. Exactly. So April 13th, 1985. Think about how close these are, too. That was March 26th. Now we're into April 13th. All these are like a month, a month, a month. He's at the Showboat Hotel and Casino in Vegas.

He fights Sergio Campos, who is 0-2 career. Really? This is his second fight. Okay. How many wins does he have, Jimmy? None! Ever. Never.

This is a KO in round one again. There was a good Campos, though, wasn't there? Yes. I remember Campos. Was it Uri Boy Campos? I can't remember. Wasn't he a Campos? I just remember you said Campos right now, and I was like, oh, this was a good fight.

No, no, this guy's not a good fighter. This guy dabbled and then said, oh, no, he beat me up good and knocked me out in under two minutes. So never mind. The Campos I'm thinking of, I think, was a lower weight fighter. Yeah, I think you're right, too, actually. I think he fought like Carbohol or something like that. That sounds right. Yeah, Christ, I'd be in the 110-pound range around there.

Yeah, yeah, little guy. The super ultra flyweights. Nobody ever got knocked out. Those fights. No, they could just hit each other forever. They couldn't have enough power. May 21st, 1985, he's back at the country club there in Reseda. He fights J.W. Johnson.

I like him. Who is an 0-1 career fighter. And came in in a cowboy hat. Obviously, he lost. Nobody wins a fight then quits. No. So this is his, you lose then you quit. He was a smart guy, though.

He figured it out right away. I'm not doing this. This is definitely not for me. Goddamn terrible. This is a terrible idea. He's like a nacho. Yeah, he did it on a dare or on a bet. And he's like, this is stupid.

What the hell am I doing? What the fuck was I doing? That guy almost fought in the olympics i saw mma and i thought i could do this i was really confident that guy apparently won a bunch of golden gloves that's why i can't beat him apparently were those gloves made of gold because it felt like it was gold when i got hit me in the fucking face when i got knocked out in the first round felt like he hit me with hard rocks at 257 he got knocked out he almost made it almost made it around so his entire career lasted less than a round jesus that is sad stuff right there five

and oh for michael yeah uh and he's excited he says let's do it in their own words on how excited he is about his life in their own words quote sometimes it's hard to believe it all happened when i lost in the olympic trials i it was over. I had made a little impact. I was the first fighter in Iowa history to go to the Olympic trials, so it was like a big deal. After I lost, I figured it was time to do something else because nobody back home ever really considered being a professional fighter. It was kind of like professional boxing was on another planet and Iowa people were on this one. So that makes sense for him. So he's like, yeah, he's not used to that.

It's not like he comes from a boxing family or anything. So he's like, yeah, he's not used to that. It's not like he comes from a boxing family or anything. So he's like, well, I guess that's that. If they didn't want me, it's like you're a comic. You do a show and you go, I guess I'll go home. And if they book me, they book me. That's that. That's that. It's like doing comedy in Phoenix, too.

It's like I'm out here in Phoenix. Like this fucking matters. Really? Yeah. Comedy is like on another planet. And Phoenix people are on this one. It's on another one. It's on another one.

Yeah. That's exactly what it is. June 27th, 1985, back at the showboat again, fighting Larry Davis. By the way, keep track of all these names. Every fighter he fights is like a random name generator guy. It's just like Larry Davis, Jim Thomas. It's every one of these fucking guys. J.W. Horton or whatever.

That guy sounded like a steakhouse. He did sound like a steakhouse. None of them even sound like real people. First, I wanted to be a boxer. I fought one fight, lost in the first round. I thought to myself, you know what I want to do now? I want to bring the people the highest quality beef on this goddamn planet. Come on down to J.W. Horton's.

We got a. I got myself some of the finest grass fed cattle on planet, and I decided to serve them to the people. This ain't the best T-bone steak. I'll lick your ass. That's my guarantee. You may be able to knock me out, but you can't knock my steak out the box, buddy. Let me tell you that right now. A little fucking, a little slay of sayings.

He says, I tell you what. I tell you what. Let me tell you something. You come on down to J.W.'s Ste. He says, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Let me tell you something. You come on down to JW Steakhouse. Or I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Now, Larry Davis has an 8-17 career record total. He's 6-2 coming in, though, so rather promising coming in, and then it all falls apart.

Perfect. Michael Nunn has a habit of taking fighters that look good, and then after him, they fall apart. Really? That's kind of like how it works. That's awesome. It's a weird thing, and a bunch of our good boxers we've had that with, too. I'd love to be that guy. Wouldn't you?

I'd ruin that guy. Yeah. I fucking ruined him. Remember when you guys thought he was worth a fuck? Look at him after me. Yeah. Look what I did to him. Old Larry Davis gets knocked out, or a TKO in the second round, minute 15 in.

He's 6-0, Michael Nunn is. Okay. July 29th, a month later, back in Country Club, he fights James Ware, who's a journeyman if there ever was one. 22-22-3. And he's 22-18-3 coming in. Slugging it out. So he's got some losses to crew here.

Nunn wins by TKO in the third. It's the seventh. He's 7-0 there. Burt Sugar. Do you know who Burt Sugar is? I remember that one. He's an old boxing journalist with the third. It's the seventh. He's 7-0 there. Burt Sugar. Do you know who Burt Sugar is? I remember that one. He's an old boxing journalist with the hat. We had him in another episode. Yeah, we talked about Burt Sugar.

Any boxing episode, Burt Sugar's going to come up. Where he blew somebody verbally or some shit like that. He's like the foremost kind of boxing expert guy of the last 40 years I guess that talks about it. And he looks like an old-timey reporter. He's just a cool-looking guy. He's got a piece of paper in his head. Yeah.

He said he talks about how quick Nunn was. Yeah. He said, quote, there were times earlier in his career you couldn't hit him with the backside of buckshot. So what is that? I think that means he was quick. What is the backside of buckshot? I don't know why the backside would matter.

I don't know. I've never heard of that. That's definitely like an old timey. That's like a hunting possums kind of a term. You know what I mean? I've heard you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. That I've never heard of that. That's definitely like an old-timey. Right. That's like a hunting possums kind of a term. You know what I mean? I've heard you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. That I've heard plenty. But I've never heard the back side of Buckshot.

Never. You couldn't hit him with the back side of Buckshot. You don't hit anything with the back side of Buckshot. I don't think that. The Buckshot comes at you, you dipshit. I've never heard that phrase before. What a stupid backwards thing to say. August the 27th, 1985, another month.

It's the late 20s there. June, July, August. Back at Country Club again. And Reseda fights Marcos Giraldo. This is the first linker that he fights. All these other guys have been non-linkers. Non-linkers. He's a Mexican guy from Mexico.

66, 28 in one career. 66, 20 in one coming in. Mexico generates a lot of fighters. Oh, God, yeah. They really crank them out. Shithole. Not only a shithole shit not any shithole poor countries generate fighters poor areas generate fighters there aren't a lot

of fighters coming out of bel-air no it just doesn't fucking happen fighting out of malibu trevor watkins it doesn't happen for a reason because it's just not and and it's just affluent you don't you don't have to have to right there aren't any people fight to survive no one has a pocket full of money going i really like to get punched in the face that never happens it just doesn't happen we talked about in another episode why the the new rocky movie was such shit because apollo's kid wanted a box it's like he's rich he's not boxing why aren't you boxing oh because i made my car payment this month yeah because i'm good i don't need the box yeah that's fucking i have food because i'm not hungry. That's what it is.

The shittier the... It's funny. You can look at this country and look at who was good boxers. Yeah. There was good Jewish boxers in the early part of the 1900s. Starving. And then they got better, and then their situation got better, and they stopped boxing. And now they manage them. 30s, 40s, 50s.

Yeah. A shitload of Italian guys. Fuck yes. See any Italian guys now? Not a one. You know what I mean? So now we're going to there. So Nunn wins this fight in round five because the guy's a journeyman.

I think he can hang for a little while. He wins by TKO. Brings him to 8-0. They have him scheduled month, month, month, month. Another month later, September 25th, 85, he's at the showboat again fighting Charles Campbell, another name-generated generic guy. He is 15-1 15-1-1 coming in.

He ends up 18-8-2 for his career. Again, none ruins him. This one goes the distance, though. None wins by unanimous decision in eight, but it goes the distance. This is the beginnings of a problem. He's boring. He's too finesse.

Yeah. People want to see- The knockout shot. Get in there and knock the fucking guy out. And this guy is known as just dancing. They make all sorts of jokes about him. So it's not showmanship dancing. It's just like moving around the ring, trying to be strategic about-

It's all of it. Okay. He's just wasting time. Okay. There's a joke I saw. It was kind of funny, actually. Spoiler alert, he ends up in prison at some point later, like every one of our people does. But he ends up in prison, and there's a joke about it when he first went in.

It's some comments in this article, and this guy goes, I heard Michael Nunn, when he got to prison, he fought the toughest guy he could right away. He danced and shoulder rolled his way to a unanimous decision. He's winning unanimous decisions in prison. On the yard. In the yard. He danced and shoulder rolled his way to a unanimous decision. He's winning unanimous decisions in prison. On the yard. In the yard. He's dancing. So that's the joke on Michael Nottis. He's just a dancer. November 13th, 1985, back at

the showboat, he fights Jorge Amparo, who's an 8-15-1 career fighter. So, again, he's not fighting the cream of the crop here. This one goes the distance again. Really? Nunn wins by unanimous decision in eight rounds. again, he's not fighting the cream of the crop here. This one goes the distance again. Nunn wins by unanimous decision in eight rounds. So he's going long distances with fighters who have no business punching him in the face for that long.

So he's taking a lot of blows too. And that might explain some erratic behavior later, as often does in these cases. So now he's 10-0. December 10th, 1985, he's fighting at the Forum in Inglewood, California. He fights Billy Robertson, another random name. The Forum that the Lakers play at. I don't know. Yes, I think it's a great Western Forum, but I think it's, I don't know if they have a side room or something.

I don't know what it is. A side room. I like that. You know what I mean? Like at a comedy club where you're like, yo, yo, I'm playing the improv. No, you're not. You're playing the lap. Calm down.

Like Madison Square Garden has felt Forum where they held a lot of boxing matches. That's what they wouldn't have. Like when they do Friday night fights back in the day, it wasn't in Madison Square Garden. It was in the Felt Forum, which holds like 5,000 people. I'm playing the Tempe Improv. No, you're not. You're playing Arizona Funnies. Calm down.

Calm down. You're playing the bar next door. So this guy's 10-8 in one career. This is his third to last fight. This guy's a bum that he's fighting this Robertson guy, but he goes 10 rounds. He just goes the distance again. None wins by unanimous decision in 10 rounds. He's like,

I don't know if he's afraid to get hit because they talk about a lot. They had to get him to go, you got to get in there and hit. You got to get in and be aggressive. And he said finally he realized he could get in close and still not get hit because he was quick, but he just didn't realize that. I guess in a street fight, you don't get hit. You don't want to get hit at all.

Well, no, because it's bare fucking fists. You're looking for one or two shots, and that's the whole fight. It's not a matter of, well, if I get in there, he hits me with a jab, it's no big deal. I'll take one to give two. In a street fight, that doesn't work like that. You want to hit somebody in the temple and end this shit. Exactly. So January 28th, 1986, again, once a month,

back at the country club, he fights Alvaro Granillo. This guy, wow. He is, this is his record career. One, 20, and three. How do you get to 20? One, 20, and three. How do you get there?

What in the fuck is going on? I don't understand how you get there. Coming in, he's 0-7-2. He's like, I think I'll fight that guy who's 11-0. That seems like I'll do a good job. Oh, Jesus. And this guy's only win came against a guy named Gilberto Baez, who was 0-2 in his career. Oh, fuck.

He beat a guy that's never won and then got his ass kicked, I'm saying 23 times. By the way, not easy to find shit on boxers who have a combined one win between them. That was not fucking easy. Combined win. Wow. Out of, fuck, how many fights is that? That's 27. That would be 24.

Yeah, 26 fights total. 26 fights total. And one win out of the two. And one of the two guys, one fucking win. They do have three draws between them, too, Jimmy. Yeah, that's a good point. So let's be fair here. Nunn actually TKO's him in round two.

Brings him to 12-0. February 10th, he's back in California fighting Charles Carter, who's 18-9. Nunn wins by TKO in the third round. He's 13-0. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about our sponsor, ZipRecruiter. ZipRecruiter.com. Are you in need of great talent for your business but short on time? Of course you are.

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Go to ZipRecruiter.com slash crime. And now back to the show. March 9th, 1986. He's fighting at Caesar's Palace. And this fight is on NBC. Okay. This is on national television. He's fighting Carl Jones.

He's a 23, 6, and 4 career fighter, 16, 1, and 4 coming in. This is supposed to be a tune-up fight and a display. This is Bob Arum putting him on TV, because now he won a couple fights by knockout. He might be getting his shit together. So he puts him in here, and Nunn is knocked down in the first round, which wasn't what they were looking for out of him. He's knocked down, and then after that has a completely boring fight. Completely dull, dances around the whole deal.

Nunn ends up winning by unanimous decision in round 10. Interesting thing about this fight, Nunn somehow became friends with Michael J. Fox. What? Okay, at this time. I don't know how I have no, they're the most unlikely duo I can... What year is this? 86. This is peak Michael J. Fox. This is the first one.

Huge family ties. He is one of the top five stars in America. Probably in the world. Yeah, back then there was no... Yeah. And somehow this guy is, Michael Nunn is friends with him, right? He has inserted himself into his life. Don't know how.

Well, he's from California now. He's fighting out of California. But still, how the fuck would you make friends with Michael... It's weird. We were in California. We didn't make any fucking friends with stars. Not with Michael J. Fox, anyway. We didn't make...

George Clooney is not calling my house. No. Yeah, it's a shame. Thank Christ. I'd be fucking single. My wife would leave me. So anyway, Michael J. Fox invites his friend Sugar Ray Leonard to the show. Famous boxer and legend Sugar Ray Leonard.

Leonard to show off his friend, Michael Mudd. And Fox and Leonard, they're watching the first round. And Fox says to Leonard, Ray, there's my man, the one in the blue trunks. And literally like three seconds later is when he got knocked down in the first round. And Leonard, as he's like, this is him. and then he falls, and Leonard goes, oh, him? Yeah, he falls nice. That's what he said about him. So that was pretty funny.

Terrific. Afterward, NBC boxing coordinator, a guy named Kevin Monaghan, and an accommodator named Ferdy Pacheco, said that if Nunn wanted more network fights, he needs to be more aggressive. They told him, look, if you want to be on this network, if you want to be on television, you can't go in and dance around. It's boring to watch. Yeah, that's bad for ratings. It's bad for ratings.

It'd be interesting, if nothing else. Michael Nunn has a list of best fighters, like best attributes that fighters have that he talks about in an interview later, and he said that Carl Jones had the fastest hands and fastest feet of anybody he ever fought. That's nice of him to say, I guess. Yeah, his feet. He said the only thing faster than Jones' feet were his hands. So he's like, he was super fast, man. We have an in their own words on this, on how this was an awakening for him.

Yeah. In their own words, quote, that knockdown was the best thing that ever happened to me. It made me more serious. I was getting too cocky. Now I keep my hands out watching the guy all the time. I'll never get lazy in the ring. So he needed that. He needed to get knocked on his ass.

He was fighting a bunch of bums and it was too easy for him. Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, after making a very funny joke about him there, he falls nice, he caught up with him in the dressing room too to give him some real advice. And he said, quote, Mike, you're a wonderful fighter. I like your moves, but you have to counter move.

When you step to the right, the guy coming in, the guy is coming and misses. Hit him four or five times, then back off. Don't take a step and then back up and do nothing. So he was just hesitant. Stop dicking around. Yeah, he was like, okay, I'll get out of the way rather than you need to look for shots, places to take your shots. He said he told me to shorten my steps.

He showed me things I wasn't doing, and he made me a better fighter. So good for Sugar Ray because at this point, they're kind of near the same weight, and he's giving a young fighter advice that he might have to fight someday, so that's not bad. And now his friend Michael J. Fox has the fastest hands in Hollywood. Fastest hands, absolutely. Way faster than Carl Jones. They never stop. Never.

That's a fact. Knock you out in the first round. No problem. He knocks himself out all the time trying to brush his teeth. Oh, man. The only thing faster than his hands are the rest of them. Or his head bopping around. That's depressing.

Sorry, Michael. Sorry, Michael J. Fox. He listens. That's depressing. Sorry, Michael. Sorry, Michael J. Fox. Like, he listens. He's like, oh, it's okay. I can give a shit. May 19th, 1986. Did you guys happen to see all my movies? Yeah.

I'm okay. I'm fine. I'll be okay. They parade me up at the fucking Oscars every year, and I get paid. It makes everyone feel good. Yeah, he does. Somehow.

They're like, my life isn't so bad. That fucking guy is getting paid. I think the people bring him out to feel better about themselves. Yeah, he does. Somehow. They're like, my life isn't so bad. That fucking guy is getting paid. I think the people bring him out to feel better about themselves. Like, look, we haven't thrown him in a garbage heap, even though he's clearly useless to us now. We still keep him around. Look at him. See? He's like a little mascot.

We're good people. We're good people. We keep that guy around. We keep shaky McKenna over here. Oh, my God. We keep him around. We honor him all the time. Somebody has a joke about him with an Etch-A-Sketch that I can't get enough of.

Is it Tosh? I think it's Tosh. I don't remember. There's so many Michael Jordan Fox jokes. It's ridiculous. Poor guy. So May 19th, 86, he fights Felipe Vaca, 33, 16, and 2 fighter. This is about the end of his career.

Nunn wins by TKO in the third round, bringing him to 15 and 0. Next month, three weeks later, he's fighting Randy Smith. Yeah. He's a 29, 33, and 1 fighter. Jesus. The journeyman. Fuck. Nunn wins a unanimous decision in 10 rounds.

Again, going the distance bringing him to 16 and oh all of these men this is so tough all these fights how many blows to the head are you taking uh july 25th a month later he's in vegas fighting charles boston who's a 13 and 4 career fighter again it goes the distance 10 rounds unanimous decision for none he's 17 and oh now next my air in september he's at the Steel Pier in Atlantic City following the diving fucking horse or whatever he's doing at the Steel Pier in Atlantic City. Anything that happens in Atlantic City is just less than. It's always a joke. It is.

It's always a joke. It's always ridiculous. He fights Mike Tenley, who's a non-linker. By the way, he's only fought, this is his 18th fight, he's only fought one linker so far. Really? One linker. And he's 17? One person with a fucking Wikipedia link.

Yeah. And this isn't the guy. He already fought him. This is, he's 22, five in one career, this guy here. That's a good fighter. It's not bad. 19, three in one coming in. And again, it goes the distance.

Jesus. 10 rounds. So think about that. Slugfest. The last few months he's fought, what, 40 rounds I'm looking at here? That's insanity. It's ridiculous. That's nuts.

And also, too, they're going the distance with people that have fought tons of fights, too. Tons of fights, yeah. Going the distance is not a good thing. No, it's the Brain Damage Olympics at this point. They're just pounding on each other. Is he 18-0 after this fight? Yes. He he 18-0 after this fight? He's 18-0 after this fight. He could easily be like 12-6. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Going the distance this many times, you don't want to do that. No, but I mean, he's beaten these guys winning every round. I mean, they're schlubs, but he's just dancing around and trying to not get hit very much. He could easily have taken one in a late round, and he's got a loss.

Anything can happen, man, as we'll find out later with him. October 28, 1986, this is versus Orlando Paulding. He's a 9-7-1 career fighter, so he needed a journeyman to kind of cleanse the palate here. He knocks him out in the first round, 2-0-9. He said, give me somebody that's got a really—I need a glass jaw is what I'm looking for. Someone who just gets knocked over by a strong wind. 209. He said, give me somebody that's got a really, I need a glass jaw is what I'm looking for. Someone I can, someone who just gets knocked over by like a strong wind. Is that possible? I need a guy with a 5 o'clock

shadow. Something. That still smells like beer from yesterday. Can we do that? Is that possible? Do you have anyone who, I don't know, isn't a fighter? Is there anybody, again, who wants to try out the profession? Any Rolls Royce salesman from the Valley who maybe want to come over here and help me out? So this guy

here none knocks him out like i said first round 209 19 and 0 total uh now he's on november 21st the next month again less than a month later he's fighting alex ramos at the country club again he's a linker this guy hey uh 39 10 and 2 career that's good not bad at all 25 4 and 2 coming in uh this fight goes 12 rounds yeah because it's for a title. It's for the vacant California state middleweight title. The most prestigious title in all the land. I'm telling you, Jimmy. State middleweight.

Is that what it was? Middleweight? Yeah. There is a World Series champion. There's a lot of prestigious titles. The Stanley Cup winner. You could win a Wimbledon. You could do a Grand Slam.

He's fighting for state. You could win a Wimbledon. You could do a Grand Slam. He's fighting for state. You could win the vacant California state middleweight title. It's like a high school title. That nobody gave a shit about. I'm going to state, you guys. I'm going to state, guys. How old is he at this point? 26?

All these other titles are... You always hear, he's the world champion. He's the world this. He's not even the country this. He got a letterman jacket for winning this fight. He's not even the intercontinental champion this guy he's got he's got a jacket with a fucking carpet letter on the fucking on the breast that's the belt right it's just a little carpety letter that they right to your skin that's your title so yeah this fight goes 12 rounds, all 12. Unanimous decision for none, but Jesus Christ, 12 rounds.

He's 20-0. Jesus. Yeah, it's afterwards, Dan and Joe, the Goossens here, they sit down with him and they said, look, and they talk and tell him about the TV commenters saying he needs to do better. And he says, we are having a hard time getting you TV fights. They want a little more destruction out of you. You're going to have to start using the things Joe has been teaching you. More firepower, a little less finesse.

Go in there and punch people in the fucking face. Good God. James doesn't want to watch Holyfield fight. No, I don't at all. God damn it. Well, Holyfield doesn't dance. He hugs. Holyfield's a goddamn fucking.

Let me hug you and rub my head on you for a while. Rub my giant stupid head on you. I loved him. So February 6th, 87, he fights Willie Harris, another randomly generated name. This guy here is 21-0 coming in. Oh, shit. Now we got to fight, baby. He's got somebody that's got more wins than him and the same amount of losses.

This is a big deal. He's 20-0 and his opponent's 21-0. Nunn ends up winning by TKO in round six. There we go. Yeah, this guy ends up being 21-2 in his career. Imagine being 21-0, world is your oyster, and then two losses and you're like, fuck it. I don't know if he got hit and had a little brain problem or what the hell. Or a parent passed away and left him some cash so he didn't have to anymore.

Never mind. Fuck this profession. Never mind. So April 4th, 87, Caesar's Palace. He fights Charles Campbell again because he didn't find any more people with generic names to fight. He wins by TKO in round nine. Jesus. These fights are going so long.

Way too long. 20 days later after he fights nine rounds with a guy. Oh, my God. He fights again. Palmer Auditorium in Davenport, Iowa. He's going home. I want to just say this real quick. If you don't think that this is a big deal, think about Conor McGregor fighting two weeks

later after that fight. Yeah. Think about that. He'd be fucking dead. It's not happening. He'd be doing crazy shit like we're going to find out Michael Mundoz later. He'd be running down the street threatening to stab people while he's naked. Exactly. He'd be doing- It's not happening. He'd be doing crazy shit like we're going to find out Michael Mundo's later. He'd be running down the street threatening to stab people while he's naked. Exactly.

He'd be doing— Fucking bananas. Riddick Bowe-type shit like we talked about. Kidnapping families at knife point. You can't— This is not how your brain— It's not healthy. You can't do this.

Your brain has to heal. And he continues this pace up for so long. I mean, it's ridiculous here. So he fights Cecil Pettigrew this night, who's a 41-18-2 fighter. Sounds like a fucking linebacker. He does. Cecil Pettigrew coming at you. Cecil Pettigrew, LSU.

Get on the Cecil train. I'm coming. I can see that guy on Monday Night Football in the corner of my screen streaming that. Cecil Pettigrew. I was going to say Auburn. The U. He's like an Auburn guy to me. I see the U.

I see him being just like- Ohio State? Or no, Miami. Miami, yeah. Okay, I got you. The U. He's like an Auburn guy to me. I see the U. I see him being just like- Ohio State? Or no, Miami. Miami, yeah. Okay, I got you. The Ohio State. He's got a bladeness sock. Auburn.

Says a pedigree, Auburn. He says it through the fucking swelling of his chin. Oh, shit. Terrible. So Nunn wins by TKO in round five. Yeah. He's 23-0. And then he doesn't even take a big break.

July 2nd, he's fighting again. Jose Duarte. He wins by TKO in the second round, 24-0. Also, at this point, he starts getting into a little bit more than boxing. He starts doing things like buying large amounts of cocaine and heroin, that sort of shit. So keep an eye out for that in the future. Holy Christ. He's a fucking trafficker now.

Quite a trafficker. He starts picking up. He's doing it or he's selling it? He's dabbling. We'll figure it out. He's dabbling. He's finding his way in the world. It's very hard to push through all this training. Sometimes you need some synthetic energy. Sometimes I need to jam

a heroin needle directly into my eyeball. Right into my fucking eyeball. I have to. And then I'm like, now punch me. Let's do it. So August 11th, 87, he's at the Bally's in Vegas. He fights Franklin Owens, who's a 5'8 and one career fighter. I'm surprised

more fighters are not heroin addicts because that shit. Well, they are. They're prescription drug users and they're opiate. But I mean, not just not just fucking pills. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm talking about like actual like Dilaudid or some shit, because that stuff makes you feel so fucking good.

Generally, people don't actually do street drugs until they can't afford prescription drugs. Otherwise, if they're going to go, why not? Why wouldn't you go buy it from the store if you can buy it from the store? You know, why am I going to do this shit? That's beneath me. What are we doing here? Why am I going to a steakhouse?

I don't have the money to do that. Now I'm going to have to go on the street corner and buy fucking grocery cart jerk chicken. That's it. Shopping cart jerk chicken, baby. Now, Franklin Owens here should not go this long with Nunn. Nunn should knock the shit out of this guy. Instead, it goes nine of ten rounds. TKO for Nunn in the ninth, but good God, man.

25 fights, that's a lot of fighting. September 11th, 1987, an exact month later, at the Palmer Auditorium in Davenport, he fights Dale Jackson. Another generic name, by the way. Franklin Owens was the last one. I swear to God, that's how they do it. That's how they find fighters for him. They're like, who's got a boring name? That guy.

What's that comedian that did that and then used that as his rapping name? He actually went to the Wu-Tang name generator. Oh, perfect. I forget his name. God dang it. Is the black guy from Parks and Rec, I think? No, it's not Parks and Rec. It's another TV show.

I forget his name. Why am I fucking... Google it. It's a great story. Here's a TV show. I forget his name. Why am I fucking... Google it. It's a great story. Here's a better question. That's good podcasting right there, Jim. What's that thing? I don't remember.

You guys Google it. He did a Wu-Tang name generator and created a rap name, and he's actually a good rapper. Childish Gambino. That's his name. I forget his real name. This guy here, it's 20, 13, and 3. Yeah. He lost the last nine fights of his career, by the way, so that tells you what he is.

What does Nunn do with him, though? What? Goes the distance. Of course. Ten rounds. Why? God damn it. Step in and punch this fucking guy.

They're telling him, punch him, and he's just standing there. What the fuck? He's like, no, no, I got a better idea. Watch this. Yeah, I'm just going to dance around. I don't really want to get hit in the face. Wait until the judges tell you how good I am. Wait.'s just standing there. What the fuck? He's like, no, no, I got a better idea. Watch this. Yeah, I'm just going to dance around. I don't really want to get hit in the face. Wait until the judges tell you how good I am. Wait.

I have plans later. I'm not looking to have a black eye swelling around the face. It's unsightly. Well, dance. I'll throw a shoulder at him. We'll get through this. Don't worry. The judges like me.

I winked at him. Well, you have to hit him a few times. That's fine, because he's not going to hit me at all. So he wins by unanimous decision. Whoopie. 26-0. Now, October 29th, 87, at the Hilton, he fights Darnell Knox, who's 26-1 coming in and won his last 10 fights. So he's ready to fucking rock and roll.

Except. Yeah. They have a little bit of a battle, and Knox does not come out for the fifth round. He stays in the corner, and it's called off in the fifth round. This fight was for the NABF middleweight title, which at least is not a state title. He stayed in the corner like fucking, was it Andrew Gulotta did with

Tyson? Yeah, he didn't come back out for the fifth. Fuck it, I quit. Well, Gulotta had a broken bone in his neck. He did, that's right. He had a reason to. He couldn't move his head. He didn't know that wouldn't happen, though, and neither did his corner neither did anybody in that auditorium they were ready to go get their money back out of his ass

yeah and then he's like then they did an x-ray hold on hold on oh okay there's a reason that you guys uh threw those bottles at fucking security you may have been paralyzed that's right nevermind drilled galato with a hot dog as he leaves the arena yeah man that was terrible that was awful it was he looked like he was just throwing it and everyone's like hey we paid for Never mind. He drilled Gulotta with a hot dog as he leaves the arena. Yeah, man. That was terrible. That was awful. It was. He looked like he was just throwing it. Everyone was like, hey, we paid for this.

Yeah. No. He just couldn't move his head. Listen, you guys. I'm fucking. I'm going to die. You understand? I'm going to be crippled.

Is that okay with you? Jesus Christ. Knox never fights again after this fight. Really? Nope. He had his career 26 and 1. Wow. That's his career record. How many more fights?

This is it. None. So none. That's crazy. He ended his career on a cowardly fuck it. I'm so serious that I'm not going to fight anymore. I'm never coming out of this corner. After this round, no more. They just set up a tent around him and he stayed there for a while.

That was all. He brought his family in. I'm going back to college. Fuck this. He just lived there in the around him. He stayed there for a while. That was all. He brought his family in. I'm going back to college. Fuck this. No, he just lived there in the ring in the corner. He was happy there. I'm just going to live here now. I'm going to live right here in the ring.

Don't make me come out. So 27-0 for, that's funny, they were both 26-0 coming in. How about that? And 27-0 for Nunn, and his career is not over. As a matter of fact, he's fighting January 2nd, 88 at the Country Club there. Fights Kevin Watts, another generic name. 23-7 fighter. Another unanimous decision in round 12.

Good God. So many rounds. Jesus Christ Almighty. March 19th, 1988. Caesars Palace. He fights Curtis Parker. How do they do this? This is crazy. They just keep lining him up, man. He keeps fighting him. He's not slurring his words or anything he's like yeah throw him out there he needs to fight he's 29 he's 28 no coming into this uh this is this guy's last fight

curtis parker none ko's him in round two that's good so early knockout he needed to get that under his belt uh al bernstein boxing expert said quote as a boxer, a pure boxer, he was almost perfect. But he doesn't punch people. He's 29-0. May 31st, back at Country Club, he fights Ron Daniels, another guy with a crazy name. He wins by KO in the second round. This is an 11-11 career fighter he's fighting. That's his 30th win here.

Wow, is shit getting interesting in a second, by the way. July 28th, 88, Caesars Palace. This is for the IBF middleweight title. He fights Frank Tate. Remember Frank Tate from earlier? The Tainter. He's a linker, actually. The Tainter is 41-5 career. That's great. That's a great record. Yeah, he did. He won a silver medal in the Olympics.

So, not too bad. That's somebody you'd be proud of. Tate won the gold. Tate won the gold, yeah. Virgil Hill won the silver. You'd be thankful if that was your grandfather. You'd be like, my grandfather is a bad man. Yeah, he's 41 and 5 and won an Olympic gold medal. Your last name also sounds like Taint. It kind of sounds like Taint, so we're kind of going to call you Taint, whether it doesn't really matter how tough he was. He had a tough grandfather, but guess what?

He's an old man now. He can't punch me for calling you Taint. This is before they made the title fights from 15 to 12 rounds. This is a 15-round fight. They used to have 15-round fights. That's so long. Wow. It only goes nine, thankfully, for everybody's brain.

Were they three minutes also? Oh, yeah. Holy shit. 15, that's a championship fight. 45 minutes of fighting. You watch an Ali fight that goes the distance, that shit is 15 rounds. Jesus fucking Christ. Beating and beating and beating.

How come I didn't know that? You wonder why they drool when they smile, these old guys. Yeah. It's like, gee. You wonder why Ali shook till he died. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. Nunn wins by TKO in round nine.

Yeah. He's 31-0. He says Frank Taint had the best jab of anyone. He said he had a great jab, so I had to stay on top of him from the first round. I won the middleweight championship of the world after a long, hard fight. Yeah. Which he did. November 4th, 88, back at the Hilton in Vegas, he's fighting Juan Roldan.

He's a 67-5-2 fighter. Wowza. Yeah, that's some fighting. That's a lot of fights. That's a lot of fights. Nunn wins by KO in round eight. He's 32-0. He calls Juan the best puncher he ever fought.

He said, quote, he was the strongest puncher I faced in my career. Didn't get to 67 wins by accident, fuck's sake. No, he can punch, man. He is the recipient of the Ring Magazine Progress of the Year Award for 1988. Wow, that's impressive. So I guess kind of he's making progress. That's better than his state title. Yeah, absolutely.

Way better than his Letterman jacket. KO Magazine named him Fighter of the Year for 1988. Wow. So not bad. Maybe because he just fought so many goddamn times. Just on quantity, we've got to give it to this guy.

Now, here's some fun stuff here. March 25th, 89, he's at the Hilton in Vegas. By the way, for this fight, he's going to make $1.2 million for this fight coming up. Holy shit. He fights Sumbu Colombe.

Yep. Great name. Broke the generator with that shit. He fucked it up now. It came out, and he's like, that's just random letters. I don't even know what that is. He's a 57-6-1 career fighter. Nunn wins in absolutely stunning fashion in round one at 128 against a good fighter.

Hits him with a short straight left that just nailed him on the chin, nailed Sambu on the chin, and knocked him cold. It was one of those punches. You see this once in a while in boxing, and it's amazing, where the guy hits him. There's a two-second delay, and then he falls like a tree. How about that? It's that fight. Really?

In the chin, stands there for a second, and then boom. Goes forward? Bang. Nice. It was wild. I love it. It was like one of the timber knockouts, you call them. One of those, man.

It's like the brain rattles for a few seconds. Yeah. And everything's good. He's just frozen. And then it hits the button. It's out. Done. Yeah, it's maybe the stiffness of it makes you up and then down.

So he's 33-0, and that was a huge deal. I mean, that was on SportsCenter. I mean, that's the biggest highlight in the world. Everybody's going, did you see that guy get knocked out? Like, it's crazy. It's on the news. And hitting the chin, too. Like, because you're that guy get knocked out? Like, that's crazy. It's on the news. And hitting the chin, too. Like, because you're throwing a punch forward.

There's a straight left hand. And for them to come towards you knocked out, that's unbelievable. It's something else, man. The next morning, there is a janitor sweeping up the grounds at the Hilton. And, you know, he's got all this shit on the ground. And he's sweeping everything up. And in that, he sees something that looks strange, picks it up. It's a check to Michael Nunn for a million dollars. Get the fuck out of here. On the ground. He's sweeping everything up and in that he sees something that looks strange, picks it up. It's a check

to Michael Nunn for a million dollars. Get the fuck out of here. On the ground in the trash. In the trash. No, just on the ground when he was sweeping he found it. Yeah, just on the ground. He lost his check for a million dollars. What an idiot. I wasn't looking for it. That's the other thing. Just lost a million dollar check. May 29th, 89, that's when that

fluff piece, Nunn Better, comes out that we discussed from earlier. Now, August 14th, 89, that's when that fluff piece, None Better, comes out that we discussed from earlier. Now, August 14th, 1989, let's talk. He's fighting a guy named Iran Barkley. Iran, like the country, Barkley, which is also the name of Charles Barkley's politically charged punk band. I don't know if you knew about that back in the day. It's Iran Barkley. So anyway, let's do it in their own words on this. In their own words.

That's not true, lest anybody believe that. That's absolutely not true. There's people looking up Charles Barkley. They're going, Charles Barkley's in a punk band? No shit, wow. Just so you know, I didn't Google that, but I'm quite confident that it's not true. Definitely not true. That just came out of my ass as we were sitting here.

It's not true. That is me being punchy as shit from not sleeping for two days. Wow. That is the name of Gnarls Barkley's first choice of before he went with Gnarls. He's like, oh, fuck it. I'll drop the air. It's too controversial. So let's have it in their own words.

Fucking Cee Lo. A nun with Barkley here. In their own words, quote, I usually respect everybody I fight, but Barkley has been talking too much about me in the press, and that's going to give me the enthusiasm to punish and destroy him. It shows me that he has the IQ of an onion. I'm going to want to hurt him in the worst way. He's been barking too much. I call him Bark Bark.

Oh, Christ. That's his quote. He has the IQ of an onion. That's impressive. That's a good vegetable. That's a good reference. I've never even thought to call somebody an onion. No, of an onion. Of an onion. That's impressive. That's a good vegetable. That's a good reference. I've never even thought to call somebody an onion. No, not an onion.

He called him, you're as dumb as an onion. As an onion. That would make you pause and go, how smart is an onion? Is that dumb? I guess that's dumb. I guess, yeah. Is it like some kind of Iowa insult? Regional?

I'm not sure how that works. Regional insults. Regional insults. Is that a regional insult there. So for this fight, it's at the Lawler Event Center in Reno. He makes $1.2 million for this fight again. So he's starting to stack it up now here. Starting ones great.

Not too shabby. See, I've always told you, I only need to make $3 million in my life tax-free. He's got $2.4 in the last. That's incredible. He's on his way to4 million in the last... That's incredible. He's on his way to my dream. I'm telling you, man. Ran Barkley here is 43-19-1 for Bark Bark. This fight goes the distance.

So Nunn, he went in there wanting to hurt him in the worst way, and he ended up dancing with him the whole time. His bark was worse than his bite. Oh, James. There you go. That's for you guys. Have fun with that. So Nunn wins a majority decision in 12.

This isn't even a unanimous decision. This was a close fight. So we got a three out of five judges. This was a close fight. 34-0 it brings him to. And Barkley wins a couple of his awards here. Best chin. Two out of three judges, right?

Yeah. here. Best chin. Two out of three judges, right? Yeah. Barkley wins the best chin award here. Everybody wants that one. He said, quote, you could hit the guy with a hammer and he was going nowhere. He hands out Emmys

every fucking fight. This is great. Yeah, I like this. He says, quote, I landed everything I had and he said, is that all you got? Imagine if you're punching, just unloading and they're like, is that all you got, Nunn? Oh, boy. Which, imagine if you're punching, just unloading, and they're like, is that all you got? You're like, holy fuck. This is frightening. I thought that was actually going to explode your face, being honest with you.

I thought your name was the scariest thing about you. I guess not. Fuck. I thought I ran was scary. He also calls him the strongest. He says, quote, for a middleweight, Barkley was exceptionally strong. It was like pounding on a heavyweight. After the weigh-in, he must have gained an extra 20 pounds.

So he's just like this big, strong guy you can't beat. You can't knock out anyway. Now, some interesting shit gets happening here. He's been fighting a lot in the ring. He sure in the fuck has. Well, let's find out what happens outside the ring here. On October 3rd, 1989, it is a goddamn, this is like a Dukes of Hazzard hillbilly throwdown right here.

Yeah, there's apparently a running feud involved with three families. The nuns, obviously. Oh, boy. A family called the Howards and the Baileys are fighting. They're all fighting, and it culminates in violence one day. Yeah. Police Captain Jim Van Fossen, right away when a police captain's involved in a family affair, you know there's problems. He says, quote, the families have an ongoing feud like the Hatfields and McCoys.

There's three of them, though. That complicates it further. And the Baileys. You throw them in there. And the Hatfields, McCoys, and the nuns. Right. Hatfields and McCoys, at least you could be like, what's your last name, boy? Like this one, you're like, my last name's Bailey.

Well, fuck. Are they on the list? Yeah, yeah. Check the list. Who are you feuding with? Everybody. We're fucking fighting everybody out here. Are they on the list? Yeah, yeah. Check the list. Who are you feuding with? Everybody. We're fucking fighting everybody out here. So this is late night on a Saturday night, Sunday morning type of thing.

Victoria Howard, one of the Howard clan, I imagine, reported to the police that Willie Nunn, who is Michael's brother, as we know about, and Raymond Jones, who's one of their nephews, broke windows in her car. Okay. And Raymond Jones, who's one of their nephews, broke windows in her car. OK. So then two of the Bailey brothers, another family, then also reported to the police that Michael Nunn had a gun and pulled it out on them and fired shots into the air. OK. That's worse than breaking car windows. That's bad.

So police showed up. They didn't find any gun. But, I mean, who knows by then. He probably had a gun, let's just say, for later on. I'm going to assume. Probably had a gun. They check that. They find no gun. They don't get with, none is gone by the time they get there.

They don't get with him until later on in the afternoon when he drives up in his car, and so they pull him over because they're looking for him. Sure. They search his car for a weapon. They're trying to find it. A crowd of about 75 people gather around. Among them were the members of all these families. Of course.

So now there's a shitload of cops, 70 people. It's a police situation. So they're all there. None in the presence of the cops while being talked to by police goes after one of the members of the family. So police hold him back. They restrain him. So then at him back. They restrain him. So then at this point, they restrain him.

We got Matt Mady's here, the mother. Yeah. What she does. Wow. Jesus Christ. Mama Nun's a nut too. Mama Nun's. Okay.

Mama Nun has an officer named Roland Myers. Yeah. Mama Nun takes off her high heel and hits him on top of the head with it. With the spike? With the spike opening up a gash in his head. Oh, my God. OK. Mama Nunn's nuts.

Mama Nunn's the craziest one of all. OK. So then Van Fossen, the captain, said, quote, she took her spike. She took off her spike heel and smacked him on top of the head. At that point, Michael said, Nunn said, you're not arresting my mother. And he grabbed the officer's arm. Oh, boy. So now the mother hit the cop with a shoe, busted him open.

He goes to grab the mother. And then Michael Nunn goes, don't touch my mother. And then he starts fighting the cop. Oh, Christ. And he's a boxer. What a fucking disaster this is, man. This is terrifying. What a mess.

According to the report, it said there was a news report that said Nunn threw a punch at the policeman, but Van Fossen said that didn't actually happen because the guy still had his jaw attached to him, I assume, would be why. Because he was still standing upright and breathing. Yeah, yeah. Jones, who was the nephew, was arrested for threatening an officer with a hand axe. Yeah. That's nice. That's a good weapon.

And charged with assault while displaying a hand axe. Yeah. That's nice. That's a good weapon. And charged with assault while displaying a dangerous weapon. Maddy's was charged with assault with injury. Holy shit. Also, someone in the crowd threw a punch at a different policeman. Who had the hand axe? The nephew, Raymond Jones, had a hand axe and was charged with threatening an officer. These people are a menace. This is crazy, man.

Davenport is fucking terrifying. These people are a menace. This is crazy. Davenport is fucking terrifying. At some point in this melee, someone else in the crowd punched a cop and he opened up his head and he required four stitches for it, too. My God. Yeah. So as he's being led away, then Michael Munn's like, no, no, no, I'm all right, I'm all right.

He's asking the cops to take the handcuffs off him and he's telling them, I'm cool, I'm cool. I'm good now. You're not cool. You're not good now. You never were good. You're certainly not good now. This shit is bananas. You're not good now. You never were good. You're certainly not good now. This shit is bananas. You're good now less than any other time.

He's charged with simple assault, which is a misdemeanor. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up

and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um. This is not a so. This is a period.

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And now back to the show. Maximum penalty for all this would be 30 days in jail and $100 fine. Don Goosen, his manager, his hair is turning silver by the moment. He's getting silver-haired middle-aged so hard here. This statement just, his hair turned white like a saw ghost. He said, quote, all I know is- But he matured. He matured immediately. All I know is that none was there as a peac ghost. He said, quote, all I know is he matured immediately.

All I know is that none was there as a peacemaker. Believe me, with all the talk of athletes and drugs and alcohol, I'll take protecting your mom any day. No, no, no, that's not right, actually. He's not protecting his mom against a mugger. He's protecting his mom from being arrested for making for fucking assaulting a police officer. And the reason they were there is because there was reports that you pulled a gun on people

and fired it into the air. Did we forget that part at all? Is that a fucking... It's not protecting, Mom. That's not protecting shit. 1989, he wins Ring Magazine's Knockout of the Year for the... The chin knockout? The timber knockout on Sambu there.

Also, a lot of talk about drug and alcohol use at this point. A lot of talk about his general lifestyle and his choice of idiot friends also. He's got $2 million. And he's back in Davenport. He's hanging out with the same goofballs. Get junior around. Don't move home. He's got a junior and he's moved home.

He's checking them off the fucking list here. And it's happening. March 9th, 1990, in Davenport, the assault charge against him is dropped. Oh, shit. It is dropped. This was the family affair that just happened. Charges against his mother, Mady's, who was accused of assaulting a police officer, and Raymond Jones were all reduced to misdemeanors.

Wow. He threatened officers with a hand axe. Who paid that? A fucking hand axe, Jimmy. Jesus Christ. He ran at him with a fucking hatchet. He had a tomahawk. If you make $2.4 million in Davenport, Iowa, you can just do whatever you want, I feel like.

No, no, no. He was just showing us. He was very impressed with it. The cops were talking about how they collect tomahawks. He was proud of it. I got one. He was super proud of it. It's got feathers and everything.

It's so cool. I'm going to go get it, and I'm going to run at you like I would be charging down a mountain Stand against that wall. I'm going to throw it, and it's going to go right next to your head. No, seriously. I'm good at it. I'm really good at this. It's really excellent.

So they're all reduced to misdemeanors. Threatening a cop with a hand axe and hitting one in the head with a spiked heel that causes blood to come down his head. Whacking an officer with your Louboutin, and you get a $200 fine. That's what they got out of it. $100 fine. $100 fine. That's a big idea. $100 fine. $100 fine. Oh, my God.

Wow. If I get a $100 spare one month, I want to find a dickhead officer that I'm allowed to take a swing at. Just like a bad one. Go to the police. There's always a dickhead. Where's the one that everybody hates? Go to the police station and go, who don't you like?

Who's the asshole? Who's the asshole you guys wish was a barista? Show me. Come on. Who's the guy that tells? I'll make him a barista. Who's the guy that tells on you when you take a little nap in the squad car come on who's the guy oh he's bullshit who's the guy you guys think visits the prostitutes which one i'll find out here i'll whack him with my wife's louboutin and we'll get this day going so he's starting to fall apart now uh fights in the the street. Craziness. Now, late March of 1990, he leaves the Goossens

training camp. They don't see him again until the day before his next fight, the trainer. So they have no idea what the hell happened. Joe Goossens said, quote, he was such a dedicated guy in the gym and then suddenly, without telling anyone, he's gone. I still don't know what he did for those three weeks, but I don't think there was anything good. He looked terrible against Starling. That was the beginning of the slide. I bet I have an idea what he was doing. Maybe a little bit of that white powder shit? You think so?

Drinking his ass off? Drinking like crazy? The Goossens are trying to get a different deal with him because he was unhappy with the financial split of his deal. They offer him an 80-20 split, which is reasonable because they do all the training and all that and promoting. Shurkin, who's that old ref that he knew, said that he was in the office when

the contract offer was made, so he knows they offered him the 80-20. He says, quote, Mike just turned it down. It was what he asked me to negotiate for him. It was just what he asked for. Dan Goosen did everything for that kid, and Mike just walks away. So he's done with them. He just walked away from them. April 14th at the Mirage in Vegas

he fights. This is the Marlon Starling fight. He's a 45-6-1 fighter. This is his second to last fight for Starling. So they train him and promote his fight. Yeah, that's their whole in-house thing. And all they're getting is 20%. That's a pretty decent deal. That's not bad. They're getting a couple hundred thousand bucks out of a fight from this guy.

But he gets to use the ring anytime. He gets to do everything. Go to other facilities. They train him. Yeah, that's a great deal. Medical, all sorts of stuff. What a deal. Training. Yeah.

So, yeah, Mike, this fight goes 12 rounds again. Jesus. Jesus Christ. You look like shit the whole fight. Absolute shit the whole fight. He wins by majority decision in 12. 35-0 now. Later, he said that Starling has one of his awards here.

The award for best defense goes to Marlon Starling. I love these so much. He says, to this day, Starling is still asking for a rematch. He was a crafty little man who was hard to catch cleanly with big shots. I wish Tyson would do this. This is great. Why didn't everybody do this? I don't know.

This is some weird interview I found buried somewhere, and then I just kind of matched it with the fighters. That's brilliant. It's fun. I like it, too. Now, at this point, Dunn is done for good. Dunn is done. Dunn is done. Dunn is done.

Dunn is fighting Nunn. Dunn is fighting Nunn. Jesus Christ. Nunn is done with the Goossens at that point. He enlists part-time help of Angelo Dundee, famous trainer, Muhammad Ali, a million other guys. Angelo Dundee, he's a boxing legend. Now, Nunn is talking about why.

He says, Dan Goossens wanted to take all my money. He wanted too much. I've only got one career. I've got to look out for me. He can always get a fighter, another fighter. I've only got me, which makes sense. All he wanted was 20%, Nunn. Well, that was the new one.

I guess Goossens' share of Nunn's deal was one-third of his purses before that. Oh, Jesus. And then Goosen earned 10% as the trainer, Joe Goosen. Talking about 43%? 43%. That's too much. Yeah, but apparently it says both percentages are pretty standard in boxing. Really?

For a full-service thing. Yeah. That seems like a lot. It takes a lot to make a fighter. I can imagine. It really a lot to make a fighter. I can imagine, but still 43%. Yeah, they said that they wanted to hold on to him and get gigantic paydays

and everything would be great and they could, you know, they agreed to cut their share in half and do an 80-20 split. Floyd Mayweather's out there throwing money around. How is his trainer not doing that? Oh, he should be. His trainer is Freddie Roach. He's fucking laughing his ass off. He's it, yeah. No doubt. Goosen says he doesn't talk about it much, but he's pissed off that he says he's stealing

his money. He's like, that's bullshit. He said, quote, that doesn't even deserve a comment. The reason we're not with Mike is because of his misdirection. The comment is just a part of it. He's terribly misguided. So they just said when he started doing things they didn't approve of, he left the camp because he didn't want to listen to them. He's partying every night.

Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, they're saying he's partying every night. He said we could have just shut up and collected our commissions for as long as it lasted, but we wanted the best for him, and no amount of money will ever cause us to turn our heads in lieu of someone's well-being. Also, we want our fighter to win so that we get paid more. That is also a thing here, yeah. Shurkin is pissed off at the whole thing. He says, I was terribly shocked by the whole thing.

I was Nunn's biggest supporter, and he knew that. Anything he wanted, I made it my business to get it, and the Goossens handled him beautifully. He was like a part of their family. Shurkin went on to say, but when the big money started coming in, so did all his old friends from Davenport. Yep. Guys who weren't boxers. Guys with bad ideas. Scumbags.

Scumbags. Mike is a good kid. Go, hey, you have money. I'd like to start a cocaine trafficking empire. Maybe you can finance it. Mike is a good kid, but he can be led around very easily. They told him we were all no good. Just before the Starling fight, he walked out of the gym and said to me, Bob, I love you, and I haven't heard from him again.

He never called. He won't talk to me. And I'll tell you something. It has just broken my him again. He never called. He won't talk to me. And I'll tell you something. It has just broken my heart. He doesn't call. He doesn't write. I'm a silver haired, middle aged white man sitting here. Just I miss him.

I need a guy. I need somebody to fucking lie about. So conveniently, sometime around here, he is arrested. Oh, boy. Briefly held, but not charged after a he. Jesus Christ. He's in some sort of sort of road rage incident and chases down an elderly motorist no who had side swiped his car and then had to run away

because he was scared of michael yeah uh apparently none pulled him from the car and threatened to punch him in the face jesus uh so they got arrested for that but not charged because he didn't actually punch him luckily right uh october 18thth, 1990, at the Palais Omnisport in Paris. Yeah. He's fighting in France. Only making 600 grand for this one. What? He's got money that's going down.

But he's got a vacation built in. Yeah, that's true. That's true. He fights Donald Lone Star Cobra Curry. Oh, boy. Yeah. Donald Curry, we'll call him here. He's got way too many nicknames.

Lone Star Cobra. That's one name. No, you pick one. Lone Star Cobra. That's one name. No, you pick one. Lone Star Cobra. You either get Lone Star or you get Cobra. He's like, well, I'm from Texas and I'm a cobra. I don't know which to do. Rather than the Texas Rattlesnake, which would be Steve Austin.

So Steve Austin stole this guy's gimmick, man. Holy shit, you fucking hack, Steve Austin. You fucking hack. You thief. Texas Rattlesnake my ass. You're the Lone Star Cobra. And he's like, I can't call myself that shit. Son of a bitch.

Bastard. He's a 34-6 fighter. None wins by KO in the 10th, but looks terrible the entire time. Looks like a shell of himself. Looks like he's washed up. 36-0 and he's washed up. Award time. Award for best skills goes to Donald Curry.

He said, quote, he was wise and sharp. This is a tough one because I came across a lot of good boxers on the way up the ladder. Best overall, he gives to Curry, that he ever fought. I can't get enough of this. The best overall game belonged to Donald Curry. He could do a bit of everything. That's nice. He thought Curry was a bad motherfucker for a guy he knocked out in the 10th round.

Now, March 1991, he hires Terry Landry as his manager. Guess what he does? He's a former car salesman. Holy Christ. Listen to what he sells. Boxing and Rolls Royces, man. Who got his start in the boxing business just a year before that when he sold the boxing promoter

Don King a Rolls Royce at Encino. That's how he got started, by selling some... Just osmosis. I sold the guy who makes boxing matches. He's very wealthy and wanted an expensive car. That's my guy. I can do what you do. I helped him. I figure I'll manage you now.

I know how to do this now. That's perfect. So, yeah, this is who he's hiring. This is what I mean. A fucking Rolls Royce deal. The guy probably told him, I'll get you a deal on a Rolls. And he was like, all right, that's worth it. Holy shit, man.

That's like selling Adam Sandler a Cadillac, and now I'm a movie producer. Every last movie that I get produced. I'm going to produce movies now. Everything I've ever thought of now gets produced. So May 10th, 1991, he's supposed to fight James Lights Out Tony. Remember James Tony? He's kind of a famous guy here. There's a ton of trash talking back and forth.

During the press conference, Nunn went as... I keep laughing at this stupid shit. Nunn pretending to pick fleas off James Toney's head. Oh, my God. At a press conference. That's how... No. That shit got personal.

Like monkeys eating bugs off of each other? Yeah, like he's got fleas. Unbelievable. Like he's filthy and got fleas. So terrible. He's an animal, this guy. Wow. Toney threatened to kill Nunn and, quote, break his bones.

So there's some, you know, there's a little bit of problem here. That'll get you to watch the fight. That's great. That's what they're trying to do. And he's going back to his hometown. It's John O'Donnell Stadium in Davenport, Iowa. He's going back for a display. Yeah.

You know, show the hometown fans, get his next win. He makes 500 grand for this fight. James lights out Tony as a 77-10-3 career fighter. He's been around. He's 25-0 at this point coming into the fight. It is a battle. I mean, it's a battle the whole fight. Nunn is in control, though.

He keeps in control. He keeps in control. He's ahead on all judges' cards entering the 11th round. Everything. The 11th round. Why are we this far? Ridiculous, right? He is winning, though. He's ready to go. He's the winner. He's going to win

until Tony hits him with a left hook in the 11th. That completely screws up everything. It just obliterates him. He rattled him and ends up knocking him down three times in the round. In that round alone. In that round. He couldn't ever gain it back.

He just couldn't get it back. This is the problem. This is the problem. You fucking finished the fight in the fourth and we don't have this, you dickhead. That's right, man. But Tony's a tough son of a bitch. And so Tony ends up winning by TKO. All right.

This brings him to 36 and 1. None. And he wins an award, James Tony. Smartest. I was going to go as sneakiest. No, smartest, actually. And he wins an award, James Toney. Smartest. I was going to go with sneakiest. No, smartest, actually. Yeah, that's true. He says, quote, I have to admit, looking back, James Toney was a smart guy in the ring.

And after the fight, after he got knocked out, he said, quote, one slip up. That's all it takes in boxing. That's true. Which is a good way to look at it here. It's like football. Yeah. It's strategy every time. That's right. August 28th, 1991.

Jesus Christ. His wife here, Laritha, calls Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department saying that he assaulted her. Michael assaulted her in their home on Quail Run Drive at about noon.

They were arguing about problems with their relationship and she said that Nunn slapped her several times. I would call that a paint brushing. Paint brushing his wife. He's pissed off he just lost a boxing match so he goes home and paint brushes his wife. How obvious is that to you? I think that might be

my favorite term. I love paint brushing. Bobby the Brain Heenan gets all credit for that. I mean, fuck man, how obvious is that? But, I mean, fuck, man. How obvious is that? He's angry. I can't beat James Toney. I'm going to beat you, god damn it.

They arrest Nunn, police do, after they noted bruises on her right arm from holding her, apparently. Which would make sense because he's left-handed. He grabbed her with the left arm. He's left-handed. He grabbed her with the right arm, with the left arm. So, yeah, he's being held on suspicion of inflicting corporal injury and is released on $15,000 bail. Layman's term, domestic violence. Layman's term, whooping your wife's ass for no goddamn reason.

Plunting your wife around. Can't do that. Now, November 29th, 1991, there's an article in the LA Times. It's the longest article, title I've ever heard in my life. The title is long? Jesus. It's called, Is the Fire Out? times it's the longest article title i've ever heard in my life the title is long jesus it's called is the fire out former world champion michael nunn fights tonight on an undercard a super middleweight who hasn't been all that super lately that's the fucking title of the

article holy shit guys concise it's an asian fucking zla it's an asian dry cleaner what the fuck is going on is the fire out colon yeah it's ridiculous couldn't you call it just is the fire out is the fire out and put the rest of that shit in the body that sounds fascinating i'm reading let's let's give them half of what we're trying to say just in the title and then if they want to read it they don't really have to the article is his c title yeah no shit ferdy pacheco the guy from nbc there quote, Angelo Dundee is facing a big challenge with Michael Nunn. Technically, he's perfect, but he needs a fire in his gut. I don't know if he'll ever have it.

So now they're starting to question whether this is even worth it, especially now that he fought. He'll fight at 168 pounds tonight, which is a super middleweight division. It's above the 160 that he's been fighting his whole career. They all call it, trainers say it's a division for middleweights who don't like to train anymore. It's the lazy middleweights? Yeah, it's like middleweight plus I had a couple of beers last night and a pretty big sandwich for lunch.

If I would diet, I'd probably be a lightweight. I'd be a lightweight. Nunn says I'll be just as great at 168. I'll rule that division too. Just watch. You just lost great at 168. I'll rule that division, too. Just watch. You just lost, sir. That's a hell of a threat, mister. Yeah.

They keep talking about here, he's missed out on all the money fights. This is the time when Hearns and Hagler were saying he was going to come back, and Leonard was still around, and there was these giant, giant money fights where you could fight Leonard and you'd make $8 million, more than you ever made in your career. Well, it built to what we have today because that division really generates some cash. That's the best, yeah. Fuck, it makes so much money. Back then it was still second to the heavyweights even because you had Tyson and those guys. So that's how great boxing was back then. So fucking good.

That's how great. So fucking good. That's how great. If you take a snapshot of 1987, you could just name 20 amazing classic. That were alive and fighting. Amazing fighters that would just be amazing. So eat that shit, MMA fans that give me shit. Fucking on Twitter was breaking my balls. It's like, dude, fuck you.

Fuck you. If you're out there, go fuck yourself. I don't like your shit sport. Sorry. Sorry. It's just dumb. shit sport. Sorry. Sorry. It's just dumb. It's just not as good. And even if it's great, I don't fucking like it.

I don't have to. Kiss my fucking ass. That's what old-time boxing fans. Guess what? They're close-minded, James. Close-minded. Close-minded. You know what I like?

I like to watch two guys stand toe-to-toe and punch each other in the fucking face for 12 rounds. Watch a fight like that. Watch an old Arturo Gatti and fight. Watch those fights where they beat the living shit out of each other. That's a real fight. Watch the real Cesar Chavez-Meldrick Taylor from the 80s. Watch that shit. You can't punch somebody in the back of the fucking head.

No. You can't kick somebody in the fucking face. No, watch Bo Holyfield. Watch fights like that, and you tell me that that's much more entertaining to watch these guys hump each other on the fucking ground. Anyway, moving on. Go fuck yourself dude on Twitter. Thank you. November 29th, 1991

at the Mirage. I feel so much better now. That's great. Isn't it cathartic? Oh God, I love it so much. I have a good Chicago rant live show, people. Wait for a live show for that. November 29th, 1991 at the Mirage.

This fight here, he's only getting $100,000 for. Oh, whoa. He's falling down the ladder here. How has the mighty fallen? Assault charges. From $1.2 million to $100,000. I would say his management team is not doing him any services here. Yeah, he fights Randall Yonker.

Back to the non-linkers here. He's a 29-6 career fighter. He has 23-1 coming in. This fight goes 10 rounds, but not all the way through 10. None wins by TKO in the 10th, winning him the NABF super middleweight title. Oh, shit. This is a big one. Oh, baby.

Big one against a nobody to make $100,000. Jesus, he's 37-1. Yeah. Big one against a nobody to make a hundred grand. Jesus. He's 37 and one. He is scheduled to go to be to appear in court on December 13th. A couple of weeks after that, we're supposed to go on trial for assaulting his former wife at his home there. The conviction on assault and spousal abuse charges carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail. Jesus. So what does none say about that? He says, quote, so what? So I go to jail for six months, then I get out and fight again.

Who cares? Wow. That's the exact attitude you expect these guys to have. That's the exact attitude he has. I don't give a shit. I'm still rich. Fuck you. September 12, 92, at the Thomas and Mack Center in Vegas. This is for the WBA super middleweight title.

He fights Victor Cordoba, who's a 22-6-3 career fighter. That's a badass name. It's a cool name. It's not bad. Nunn wins by a split decision in 12 rounds. So, distance again, split decision, 38-1. Now, September 30, 1992, he is arrested. Obviously.

This is kind of on the street.'s a there i think this is a near a nightclub area uh he is arrested during a scuffle involving about 50 people shit in davenport always in davenport they got to be like fucking move please god jesus you made all this money get out of here now who lives in iowa with all this money ridiculous iiculous. I mean, who doesn't own Iowa with all that money? They should. At least have so much land and money that people can't live near you. Especially neighbors you hate that your mom fights with. Two families of people that you fucking despise.

Jesus Christ. He is charged with resisting arrest, disorderly conduct, and two counts of simple assault for this melee. Good Christ. He's released from custody after posting $530 of bail. Wow. $530? $530. It's an odd amount, but who knows.

January 30th, 93. So right back on the horse again. Of course. He's at the Pyramid in Vegas against Cordoba again. Yeah. Fight goes the distance again. Again. Unanimous decision.

Holy shit. He's got to stop this. He has to stop it, man. 39-1 for him. February 20th, 93 is at Estadito Azteca in Mexico City. Jesus. Oh, he's fighting Dan Morgan. Back to the name generator.

Jesus Christ. He's a 40-4 fighter career. None wins by KO in round one. All right. Now we're talking. How much money do you make for that? That's not told. Not even fucking.

Probably not a lot, though. Yeah. $530? Yeah. we're talking how much money you make for that that's if i don't need that it's not not told not even probably not a lot though yeah uh this 530 dollars yeah when the hell's the last time he knocked somebody out and anything before the 10th round so that's good uh he's 40 and one now so january 29th 1993 this starts a fun run here uh a smile on james's face right now omaha police police spokesperson sergeant theresa negron said that none was wanted for violating an order of protection from a prior domestic violence situation involving an ex-girlfriend. That's his other, his, Laritha there. This one here, he allegedly harassed her by phone and told her he was sleeping with the mother of her new boyfriend. Oh, God.

That's his way of being like, yeah, well. Is your refrigerator running? I'm fucking your boyfriend's mom. How does that affect her? I don't give a shit about his mom. Okay, good for you. Tell him that and he might be mad, but I'm not going to be mad. Good for your penis, sir.

Yeah, that's terrific. Oh, that's nice. That's terrible. I've seen her. Why would you fuck her? That's the weirdest thing ever. So they're looking for him on this. On that?

They're looking for him. You can't call somebody and tell them you're fucking somebody? She had an order of protection against him. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. That's a problem. And then they also, there's also another issue with him later on, but they're unable to locate him for 11 days. Yeah.

They finally track him down on February 8th. To a motel? No, at his sister's home. They get information that he's there. And she's Joanne, a nun. The sister said she told investigators she didn't know where her brother was. They looked around her house. They didn't find anything.

They left. They came back, though, when they were like, we still think he's here. This time, they really searched the house really well. really searched the house really well, and they noticed that a clothes dryer that they had looked in the first time was now kind of positioned in front of another appliance. Right. So they opened the second dryer

and found six-foot-one Michael Nunn curled up in a dryer. Hiding in a clothing dryer. In a dryer. Hilarious. In a fucking dryer. That has to be the saddest arrest we've ever had on this fucking show.

I mean, apart from Ray Carruth in a trunk with piss bottles. You know what? It's better than a dryer. That has to be the saddest arrest we've ever had on this fucking show. I mean, apart from Ray Carruth in a trunk with piss bottles. You know what? It's better than a dryer. You can fit in a trunk. You can't fit in a dryer. He was like 5'6". He's not a big dude. He's like 5'9", I think. He is 6'1 1⁄2", and he's in a goddamn closed dryer. Imagine when they opened up

that lid. You know how the lid opens? Imagine the light flooding in on him. He's probably looking up all, you got me. Shit, you got me. Then they had to pull him out of there. Come on, Mike. And he's like, hold on. I can't.

How the fuck do I get out of here? I got to dislocate my shoulder to get back out of this thing. Yeah, that's the only way I can do it. I'm sorry. Both of them were arrested. Him and his sister were arrested. Harboring a fugitive, all that shit. She's being charged with accessory to a felony.

Wow. So, yeah. I imagine harboring a fugitive is like a step below accessory to what is the accessory to what? She's accessory to a felony. That's terrible. That's way worse than harboring a fugitive. That's a really

bad charge. I'm saying you did it basically too. You're an accessory. It's the same thing. You're accessory to murder. You're a murderer. You're going to jail forever. That's it. February 26, 1993. It's going pretty well for murderer. You're going to jail forever. That's it. Yeah. February 26, 1993. You know, it's going pretty well for him. He's going to chill out. He's just going to go for a ride and when he does, he's arrested

in Orion, Illinois. Police find two containers of beer and a loaded 9mm handgun in his car. That sounds right. That sounds about right here. He's freed after posting a $100 bond somehow. They said, yeah, both there was beer they think he was drinking out of.

They were open containers. So beer and guns driving around. Now it's at this point where he starts a little business, too. I don't know. I guess he's got shit money problems. He's got to start a business. That's smart. He's got to start investing in something. You want people to start businesses.

Well, they tell you to invest. Every money guy will tell you when you're making a lot of money, invest a chunk of it. Don't just sit on it. No, you've got to make it work for you. So you figure he's an athlete, bar, restaurant. Car wash. That's third on my list. Car wash, maybe.

Or cocaine trafficking. Let's finance a cocaine ring, Jimmy. What do you say? Want to traffic? An airplane and an airfield? Is that what he's getting? Jesus. Not even. He traffics it from chicago so it's not even a big deal he's just doing it through the through the postal system this is when he kind of starts with that according to federal documents we'll say uh april 23rd 1993 at the pyramid again he fights crawford ashley uh he's

33 10 and 1 he had 28 knockouts out of those 33 fights. That's great. This guy's got knockout power. None TKO's him in the sixth. It's 41-1, so not bad at all. Another one of his friends said he's just still, you know, the problem is being in Davenport, basically, is what one of his friends says. One friend says,

quote, most people who grew up in Davenport didn't return. If you look at all the people who made it, they never came back. But Mike, being the person he is with a big heart, loved Davenport didn't return. If you look at all the people who made it, they never came back. But Mike, being the person he is with a big heart, loved Davenport and kept coming back to it even when it wasn't good for him. Tell me that you dug and found who did get out of Davenport and fucking – Don't move. There is nobody. Nobody.

Nobody's from Davenport. Nobody. Don't move home. Right. Don't find religion. Don't name your kid. The list goes on and on. Never. Episode 53, on and on. Never.

Episode 53, you can get them all. Anyway, so December 18th, 1993, he's fighting in Mexico again. He's fighting a Murquay Sosa. Yeah. Fight goes the distance again. None wins by unanimous decision in the 12th round, bringing his record to 42-1. Yeah. February 26th, 1994, this is at, ooh, 42-1. Yeah. February 26, 1994.

This is at, ooh, this sounds fancy. Yeah. This is at the Earl's Court Exhibition Center in London. You have to say that with like a clenched jaw. Yeah, this is Earl's Court Exhibition Center in London. With teeth touching. You never separate the teeth. We're going to London, though, the Earl's Court.

Earl's Court. So he fights Lightning Steve Little. Yeah. He's a 21-13 and 2 coming into the fight. Ends up being 25, 17, and 3. He's a journeyman, but he's a tough son of a bitch. Little's known. There's articles about him.

Like, how did this guy not make it? He was so great and just didn't win fights. Never heard of him. This fight goes, exactly. Neither did I, even. And I, you know, pay attention to this shit. The fight goes all 12 again. God damn it.

Jesus. He's got to stop this. None loses by split decision now. That's not good. Now fight goes all 12 again. God damn it. Jesus. He's got to stop this. Nunn loses by split decision now. That's not good. Now he's losing a decision. Now you're in another level. You went from knocking guys out to now they're going the distance with you. You're winning unanimous. Then you're getting split decisions.

Now you're all the way. You're losing split decisions. This is the reason you knock them out, Nunn. Yeah, and this is the same. This is when he was trying to get fights with big guys, too. This is when he was trying to get fights with big guys, too. This is when he lost the—he was trying to fight Roy Jones Jr. at that point. Yeah, and he says, quote, they offered us $125,000, and Roy was going to get $3 million. So he says there's no way Mike was going to take that kind of money when he was just as good or better than Jones.

Have you seen Roy Jones' song that he put out? Probably not, but it sounds awesome. He has a hip-hop song that is fucking horrific. Oh, of course. And I love it. I love when athletes make hip-hop songs. I listen to it all the time. I fucking love it.

It somehow pops up in my YouTube, probably because my phone listens to me throughout the day talking about criminal athletes, and they're like, we got one for you. By the way, here's a nut nick that made a song i love it how many got jr rider they all have many of these guys and his whole albums it actually sounds good it's not that bad of a song it's just it's hilarious because it's a fucking boxer it's not yeah it's calm down dude uh september 12th 19 stay in the ring fuck face calm down and keep

get your brain damaged and relax september 12th 1994 at the Silver Nugget in Vegas. Couldn't get the golden apparently. No, you got to get the silver one. He's fighting. Jesus. One step above the copper nugget. Pretty much. Yeah, they have the brass nugget below that.

Right above the aluminum nugget. That's terrible. Then it's just the rusty nugget in the bottom. That's outside of Vegas in the desert. Fool's gold out there. Yeah, way out there. Way out there. Right over there at the pyrite nugget.

Past the welcome to Vegas sign. Don't worry, the pyrite nugget. That's over in Reno. Absolutely. Jesus. He's fighting Salvador Maciel. He's returning to the bosom of the non-linker at this point. Getting back into that.

He wins by KO in 56 seconds jesus under a minute he got he must have been pissed at that last fight is all i could think he came in there like i'm gonna fuck this guy up or he's just pissed that he's fighting at the silver nugget that too but i mean after that last fight you lose a split decision a guy you think you should beat he had to to come out, you know, like a Davenport street fight. I'm going to fucking knock you the hell out. His mama in tow with her fucking Louboutin. Shoe, swinging it. Come on, you son of a bitch. As they're walking to the ring. Yeah, that's his entourage.

His mom, he's got a cousin with a hand axe. His cousin Raymond with a hand axe. Police trailing behind. Mama with her lipstick smeared. Jesus Christ. Bloody-headed police following behind. Come back, Mrs. So good. police trailing behind mama with her lipstick smeared jesus christ bloody headed police falling behind come back mrs so good come back mrs nunn so uh december 17th 1994 he's fighting in ecuador yeah this is for the wba super middleweight title against frankie lyles who's a good fighter 32 and 3 career this fight goes the distance again. 12 rounds and none.

Loses by unanimous decision. It's over, right? It's got to be over. It's not looking good for him at this point. This is when it's bad. June 13th, 1995. He keeps doing it, though. This is in Moline, Illinois.

It's the Mark of the Quad Cities, which is now the Tax Slayer Center. By the way, the Mark of the Quad Cities? It's capitalized. M-A-R-K. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck. A mark is a bad thing, by the way. Yeah, it is. This place, we get taken all the time. We fall for fucking everything.

Screwed all the time. The cash register might as well be open. We're complete idiots. We don't even have locks on the doors. It's terrible. He fights Earl Butler, 2014 and 2. Again, non-linker. It's supposed to be an easy fight.

This fight is a warm-up fight, and he goes the distance. Nunn wins by unanimous decision, luckily for him, in 10. July 14, 1995, he's at Arizona Charlie's Decatur in Vegas. Arizona Charlie's in what? We've had this one before. Oh, that's right. Arizona Charlie's Decatur, but it's in Vegas. Right.

It's so fucking confusing. It's so fucking confusing. It could be in the South. It could be in Arizona. It could be Vegas. You never know. It's who knows. That man's running from the law.

Charlie is a menace. I think we've decided that Arizona Charlie was a fugitive back in the day, too. I think we said that. He's a witness protection at the very minimum here. Minimum. He fights Terry B here at the very minimum here. Minimum. He fights Terry B. here. Nunn does, not Arizona Charlie. Okay.

It's a 10-5 fighter, 10-4 coming in, so obviously he loses this fight. Right. Nunn wins by TKO in round three. August 15th, next month, one month later, got to fight more. He's back at Arizona Charlie's. He can't do this this late in his career, either. He's got to stop. No, he's 32 years old at this point.

Calm down. He's fighting Cecil McKenzie, 13-6-1. Nunn wins by TKO in the fourth. October 13th, 1995, Fantasy Springs Resort Casino in Indio. Oh, boy. Which is a gas station fill-up on the way from Phoenix to L.A. in the desert. It's sprawling now, though. It's a shithole.

But when you come over that little hill and you just see these fields of- Why are you here? What is this shit? What would cause people to move here? Sorry. That's what the sign should say. Sorry it's not LA. Sorry.

You thought you were going to see ocean over that hill, didn't you? Sorry. 100 miles to go. Sorry. More desert. The worst place. October 13th, 1995 in India. Like I said, he fights Charles Oliver, who's a 19-8-1 fight.

Nunn wins by unanimous decision. All 10. Goes the distance. Brain fucking damage. Holy shit. That's how you end up in dryers. Yeah, for sure. Getting punched in the head that much.

December 8th, 1995. He's at Foxwoods. This is for the vacant WBO-NABO Super Middleweight title. Yeah, Foxwoods in Connecticut. He fights Iceman John Scully, who is 38 and 11. That guy sounds like a bad man. Unless you've killed 150 people, don't call yourself the Iceman, okay? Sorry, that title's taken.

And also, unless you're killing people in the ring, don't even take the name Scully. That sounds like a bad fucking man. No shit. Yeah, Iceman Scully. That sounds tough tough this fight goes all 12 again uh the nun wins by unanimous decision that is uh 22 rounds in two months that is awful 60 days 22 that's too too too much man uh june 23rd 96 at least he's got six months off here. He's in Houston. Fights Everado Armenta Jr. Wins by TKO in eight rounds. Bring him to 49-3. Eight's too long.

Eight's too long. January 17, 1997 in California. Fights Rudy Nix. Knocks him out. TKO in two rounds. This wins him the NABF light heavyweight title. So he's now moved up to 177. Holy shit. Is this fat or is this in weight?

He's just getting heavier. He's 50 and 3 now. 1997, right after that, he's arrested in Davenport. Shocker. On misdemeanor charges of driving a vehicle with excessively tinted windows and driving with no registration. I mean, I've been ticketed for that. Yeah, yeah.

We got that ticket coming back from South by Southwest. But you didn't get the ticket because you were nice to the police and then they said okay well you guys have a good one you've been driving all this time different reaction from none none instead becomes a verbally abusive oh god refuses to sign the citations and basically tells them to go fuck themselves do that uh so they take him into custody obviously because he's an asshole i apologized profusely and told them I would fix it. And then they let you go. Exactly.

That's ridiculous. 97, May 10th, 1997, in Moline, Illinois, he fights Booker T. Ward. What? That's a name from a, that's like the black name generator. Yeah. You type in, give me something that sounds like a civil rights leader, and pow, that comes out. Booker T. Ward.

That's the Wu-Tang name generator for sure one man uh perfect uh 24 to uh four and two coming in for him uh none knocks him out tko in round seven 51 and three that sounds right uh next he fights july 5th of 97 so he is just fucking fighting and fighting and fighting he fights lonnie horn uh it's a 26 and3 coming into the fight. You, this white guy. Nunn knocks him out in round one. There you go, 52-3. Early 1998.

I knew it just by his name he was going down in the first. Oh, you know he's going down. Lonnie Horn, that guy fucking knows how to iron pants. He knows how to get a pleat straight. He's like, I'll get your crease right. That's what I do. I can iron pants. So early 98, right after that, Nunn is arrested on charges of unlawful possession of cannabis, possession of stolen property, and unlawful use of weapons.

Fun. Police say after they stopped him for speeding, or not stopped him. This is crazy. Okay. Rock Island police. This is in Iowa. They stopped a BMW for speeding and found a loaded 9mm handgun, more than a pound of marijuana and some cocaine. And the loaded gun was registered to Nunn.

As the cops were coming up, as the cops were doing this, Nunn speeds up in his car, slams on the brakes, hops out, and says, everything in that car is mine. Oh, boy. Everything in there is mine. It's all mine. Who was driving? Whoever he had doing this shit. He's like, it's all my shit. Not his stuff.

That's all my stuff in there. That's not over. That's insane. That's not the way a kingpin operates. No, absolutely not. They don't drive up and claim possession of things. No, you don't see Pablo Escobar showing up at an airfield in an airstrip in the middle. Just like Wee Bay's wife and Naaman's mom told him on the wire when he brought his whole

G-Pack home and he was shaking out vials in the bedroom and she said, you don't do that shit. What if the cops come in here? They're going to take the whole place. That's why you have a lieutenant. Watch the wire. So anyway, the car was not registered to him anyway it was registered to someone in peoria illinois uh they were lending it to him i don't know march 21st 1998 can i borrow your car to smuggle a bunch of shit is that cool with you

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Cool. He's fighting for the WBC light heavyweight title. That's cool as shit. We don't have a Muhammad Ali center, do we? Joe Louis Arena in Detroit for a long time. They should have a Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson or some shit. They're not naming shit after Tyson. Max Schmeling's got one? That's badass. They'll name a cell block after Tyson, but they should have a muhammad ali or some shit they're not naming shit after tyson got one that's badass they'll name a cell block after tyson but they might name them so they i'm sure

they've named all sorts of shit after all he's a cool fucking name oh that's cool that sounds like a nazi yeah sounds like a dude that sniffs panties too well he's a guy that uh beat and then got knocked out by Joe Lewis. So there you go. So he fights Graziano You betcha. Rochigiani. And it says he's German. I'm Italian. I can pronounce that. He's not German. If he did, his family came over in, let's say,

the early 30s, we'll say. Somewhere around there. Because that is... Graziano is not fucking German. 41-6 in one career. This fight goes the distance again. 12 rounds. I was going to guess Japanese.

Yeah, you know, he's a tall Dutchman. Nunn loses this fight by split decision at 12. Again, 52-4. That's not good. At this point, he's in trouble because his driver's license has been suspended indefinitely by the state of Iowa for nonpayment of a fine. Oh, boy. Probably for that window tinting thing that happened there. September 4th, 1998, at the Mikosuki Resort and Gaming in Miami, Florida, he fights Glenn does, in 10 rounds, 53-4. May 9th, 1999, Municipal Auditorium in Minot, North Dakota, where dreams come true.

You, Jesse, you're damn right they do. Good God. He fights William Guthrie, who sounds like a country singer right there. 35-4-3, career for him. Nunn wins by TKO in round seven. He's 54-4. him. Nunn wins by TKO in round seven. He's 54-4. January

2001, right after that, a noise complaint is made at an apartment that he's visiting that Nunn is at. The officer recognizes him as Michael Nunn and is aware that there's a warrant against him for failing to appear for not having a driver's license. That's a good cop.

That's a decent cop. Well, they all know him. He moves to a small city and he's a famous guy. They're like, oh, it's this asshole again. He's very good cop. That's a decent cop. Well, they all know him. He moves to like a small city and he's a famous guy. They're like, oh, it's this asshole again. He's very well aware that there's a warrant out too. He's been looking at the bulletin board on his brakes. That a boy. Well, he knows who he is and he's like, Michael, he's got to have something. He looks it up. Oh, okay. Yeah. Good God. There you are.

He tells, the officer tells Michael that he's got to go to the station with him for the warrant. Mike refuses. Of course he does. The officer insists and then Nunn becomes threatening, calling him names, saying he's going to hurt him, and calling himself, quote, a big-time gangster. Oh, boy. You don't brag to the cops that you're a big-time gangster. That's not how that works.

No. Jesus Christ. Nobody says I'm a big-time gangster. Nobody says that. No. Nobody even says that to anybody. If you're a big- gangster. Nobody says that. Nobody even says that to anybody. If you're a big time gangster, everybody knows. I'm hoping the cop translated that into his own words.

But still, you don't tell the cops how important you are in the world of crime. I don't think that's a smart move here. If you matter, everybody knows. After he told him he was a big time gangster, he then tried to attack the officer. He lunged at him, tried to punch him. But luckily, a couple of the people that were his friends from the apartment grabbed him and held him back so he wouldn't be in prison even more. After the situation calmed down, he agreed to go to the station voluntarily with his friend with him. This is what happens every time.

He gets all worked up. He's like, I'm cool. I'm good now. I am good now. All right, put the bracelets on. All right, come on. Let's go. He's like, I'm cool.

I'm good now. I am good now. All right, put the bracelet on. All right, come on. Let's go. July 2001, there's an incident that we don't know too much about this one, but he threatens and flees from police officers, and then he's maced and arrested. So there was some kind of traffic is all I could get out of it, some kind of traffic thing, and he got really threatening, and they ended up having to mace him to arrest

him. And they're like, we're tired of this shit with this guy. He And he got really threatening and they ended up having to mace him to arrest him. They're like, we're tired of this shit with this guy. He's probably got a high heel in his back pocket. Fuck this. July 20th, 2001, he misses a court date for a domestic violence charge. September 2001, an arrest warrant is issued for him after failing to appear in court in July.

These things happen. Yes. So he's been a complete mess. Yeah. Just a disaster so far. Fucking unbelievable. Jesus Christ. It's September 2001. It's a good place to just take a breath for a second. September 11th. And he buildings are falling and he's like, fuck, I got court dates like the world is a different place for dates that I'm not going to go to. No, I think about that. The world is fucking crumbling. Jesus Christ, man. He's sitting around fucking his wife left. He doesn't have her anymore. His family, his mom.

His mom's as violent as he is. He's crazy. God damn it, man. He's just sitting in his house going, what do I do next? And there's a knock on the door. And it's Dexter Manley, interior designer from New York City. Perfect. And he says.

How is it you come to arrive here? What are you doing? Like, seriously, you're just all punchy all the time. That's what I'm understanding. You're just punching people. Why are you punching everyone? Just punch and punch and punch.

You know what, sir? Sir? I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something I've never told anyone before. You, sir, are white trash. You're white trash. Yes, I understand you're black, but that's still white.

Okay, let's go over it, okay? This is the behavior of white trash. Your mom hit a cop in the head because you and the neighbors were fighting. With a shoe. With a shoe. That's white trash, understand? Trailers should have been knocked over. A tornado should have came through That's white trash. Understand? Trailers should have been knocked over. A tornado should have came through with the white trash.

I can smell mayonnaise from here. Do you understand the level of white trash that you are? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's what it is. And don't you judge me, okay? Don't you call me that.

I am not. That's the funniest way mayonnaise has ever been pronounced. Poof. Poof. I am not. That's the funniest way mayonnaise has ever been pronounced. Poof. Poof. In a poof of glitter. Purple glitter. He's gone.

Your gay Italian is my favorite. Oh, I love Dexter Manley, man. God, he's not gay. Not him. You can't judge Dexter Manley. The gay affect on mayonnaise is fantastic. Well, he talks differently than I do, Dexter Manley. I don't know.

He came in, he left. He's not so different. He's not me. I don't know. So, September 29, 2001. All right. He's in Elizabeth, Indiana versus Carlos Bates. How much do you hate mayonnaise? Oh, I fucking hate it so much.

It's the worst thing ever. God, vile, vile substance. It should be outlawed, honestly. Oh, Jesus. If someone puts it on your sandwich without asking you, you should be able to mush it in their face. Fuck. So, well, everything's a little stank. Got some stank onank on Dexter.

He likes to deliver. Dexter really just gives it hell. He's fighting Carlos Bates in Indiana. Wins by knockout in round one at 233. Dexter gave him a talking to, and he's into it now. He's into it. That's what I mean. See, that's all I needed.

Dexter's motivational. So he's 55-4. October 26, 2001, Grand Casino in Gulfport, Mississippi. He fights Kenny Craven, who doesn't matter who he is. None wins by TKO in the sixth. He's 56-4. So that's something now. November 2001, he's charged with driving on a suspended license, interference with official acts, and assault on a peace officer.

Oh, my God. That's a lot. He is apparently, there's a driving thing. Stop driving, number one. Stop it. You know it's suspended. You know it's suspended. You're very well aware of that.

Indefinitely suspended. He apparently had to be told several times to place his hands on the squad car for frisking. They tried to handcuff him, and he stiffened his arms, struggled, and then refused to submit to anything until they repeatedly sprayed him with pepper spray. Like an episode of live feeding. Finally. It's cops. That's all it is. Unbelievable.

Have you ever seen cops? Have you ever seen it? In every episode, somebody's mother hits somebody with a shoe. It's just how it goes. You're white trash. Sorry. Dexter, get out. Sorry, Dexter.

Dexter, you fucking, he pops his head back in. He's so worked up. I don't know what his deal is. All right, Dexter. We're trying to get through this, Dexter. in. He's so worked up. I don't know what his deal is. All right, Dexter. We're trying to get through this, Dexter. Goodbye. We'll get you in about six episodes. We'll see you later.

I guess that's about how many in between. Good deal. He's charged with assault on a police officer. He also made verbal threats. And he told the officers, quote, you see me again, it's on. Oh, boy. So he's saying, I'll see you around. They're like, yeah, we have a gun.

So it's on. And we'll also have handcuffs. We'll just arrest you. And more mace. Lots more mace. Plenty of pepper spray. They give us. They're like, yeah, we have a gun. So it's on. And we'll also have handcuffs. We'll just arrest you. And more mace. Lots more mace. Plenty of pepper spray. They're about to invent the fucking taser.

There's a whole cabinet full of it back at the station. We could just take it and spray it all day. Tell us. This shit's going to expire. Go spray somebody. Spray it up, man. Yeah. So he is then also taken into the county jail where he is, again, verbally and physically aggressive at the jail.

That sounds right. With the booking officers. That's our scumbag. That's our guy. December 8, 2001, he's still fighting. Jesus. Fights in Biloxi, Mississippi. Fights Matthew Charleston.

Wins by TKO in round five. All right. January 23, 2002, Elizabeth Indiani fights Vincent Durham. Goes the distance at this age. He wins by unanimous decision in 10. He's 58-4 total. And that is his career because it is over at this point. That's Grace?

Grace was about 1983, Jimmy. Grace was his first fight on NBC. I was waiting on him going, where the fuck is Grace? This guy never had it. No. He had it, but it's 83. It was his Letterman jacket.. I was waiting on him going, where the fuck is Grace? This guy never had it. No. He had it, but it's 83. I mean, it was his Letterman jacket. I think it was, yeah, when he won the California whatever.

August 6, 2002, he is arrested for possession with intent to deliver at least 500 grams of cocaine. Oh, my God. After an investigation by the Quad Cities Gang Task Force. Sweet Pete. He is arrested at a Davenport hotel with a guy named Mark Liu after an FBI, undercover FBI agent gave Michael one kilogram of coke

for, I guess, Mike agreed, according to everything, Mike agreed to pay $24,000 for the kilo. At the time, he takes the cocaine and shoves it down his pants. He had shorts and a short-sleeved shirt on. Shoves it down his pants and pays – he paid the officer for – the undercover agent $400 as a part of a $1,000, quote, tax for transporting the drugs.

I don't know how that works. That's weird. But anyway, they walk toward the exit. He's got cocaine in his pants and they walk toward the exit. Police are right there. Mike pulls the coke out of his pants and tosses it aside like they don't see him. Reach down his pants, grab a brick of cocaine and throw it to the side. Not mine.

A big throw pillows worth of cocaine. Anything next to your balls is yours. Right. That's definitely yours. That's a thing, I think. You know what I mean? I think that's a rule. Yeah.

If I rub my balls on something, I own it, right? I think so. Definitely what he did. That's how it works. So they had previously met the FBI agent on July 26th to arrange for Michael to sell the kilogram of cocaine. So they set him up. Yeah, for sure. This the kilogram of cocaine. So they set him up for the whole deal. I mean, this is a total deal. The agent told Nunn that he'd have to pay the tax to obtain the drugs,

and that's how they did it, for the transporting. That's why he paid him $400 as part of the tax for transporting it, which makes it sound more legitimate, too, which is good. It also makes it a legit deal. Yeah, it makes it sound like you're not a cop. Like, hey, I want money for bringing that here. But also on the legal side, it makes it a legit deal. You gave money for it.

It wasn't just somebody threw something at you. It wasn't theoretical. He said that the agent here told Nunn that he'd have to pay the tax, like we said, and they also discussed how Nunn was going to be wanting larger quantities in the future. So he's having a whole thing here. He's becoming a drug kingpin. Absolutely. He's a big time gangster. That's right. August 10th, 2002, there's a two and a half hour bail hearing. Jesus. Those don't take two and a half hours. Those take about 20 minutes. No, he's in there. He's got a bunch of his family members there. They have five Davenport police officers and an FBI agent testifying at this whole thing.

They say he's a danger to the community and he shouldn't be released. The whole thing. They also he wants to be released into the custody of his girlfriend. And the judge wants to do a background check on his girlfriend. Sure. And also wants to review the videotape of the arrest to make sure that he's not lying about everything. Then they started going into the police, started testifying about the previous run-ins they've had with him.

This is why you don't go home. Right. There wouldn't be some cop from LA coming out here to talk about this. Obscenity-laced tirades, physical and verbal threats, pepper spray, foot chases. Fuck. Craziness, man. Too much. Too much shit.

They testified that he had handgun arrests and provided a bunch of details. Yeah. Saying that basically his arrests show that he's not going to comply with shit. No, he hasn't learned his lesson. He's 39 years old and he's a fucking problem. Yeah. The prosecutor, Richard Westfall, said, quote, this is not a wake-up call. These federal drug charges are the end of the road.

This isn't like, oh, now you've got to be better. I'm good now. Federal drug charges at the end of the road. This isn't like, oh, now you've got to be better. I'm good now. Nunn the whole time was shaking his head and turning back to his family when he was upset with testimony. Like, can you believe this fucking bullshit? At one time, the judge had to ask for quiet from everybody.

He'd look back and the family talked shit and they were all doing this. It's like, you're in court. Yeah, yeah. You fucking idiot. This isn't like you get to argue your case right now. This is going to tell some facts, and the judge is going to make a decision. You don't get to give opinions right now. Absolutely. And the prosecutor argues that Nunn is a flight risk because he's broke is what they're saying.

He's a flight risk. They said they introduced federal income tax liens totaling over $430,000 against him. So he doesn't have any money. He's got a court-appointed attorney, which is never good. That's a dead indicator that you're money. He's got a court-appointed attorney, which is never good. That's a dead indicator that you're broke. That's bad. And this guy says, well, the fact that he's broke is no indicator that he's going to run away.

No. Actually, he has no money. He's less likely. Yeah. Two officers at one point testified about a November 2000 incident that included a foot chase of his son, Michael Jr., and threats by Michael Sr. as they arrested Michael Jr. So more threats to cops. Wow. Jr.'s a problem, too, of course.

Yeah. He said he wanted to fight the officers, and then he took off his jacket and started, quote, dancing around like he was in the ring. Oh, Jesus. He's literally like, come on, motherfucker, let's do this shit. They tell the story about the noise complaint party where he had to be held back by the other party goers. All these stories here. The macing and arresting in July 2001.

They talk about how he was busted in driving a Cadillac Escalade without a driver's license in 2001. Escalade without a driver's license in 2001. An officer named Jeff Bladel, who was with the gang task force, said that in one incident a witness told police that the boxer kept drugs at another, like he had a stash house there. So they like had his whole operation here. He's got a stash house. He's doing the whole thing. Said that another officer testified in a previous trial, because there's other people involved

and this is a big thing here. testified in a previous trial, because there's other people involved, and this is a big thing here, a witness detailed two trips that Michael made in Chicago in 1997 with him to buy heroin and the second to purchase cocaine. This has been going on for years. This has been going on for a long time. FBI Special Agent John Wellman testified that Nunn was stopped in Henry County in 1993 and arrested for having a loaded handgun that we knew about. He was also another one.

He fell delinquent on rent for a storage facility, and the owners ended up taking control of it, you know, taking over, repowing it. And what was in there, James? Three handguns, including one stolen weapon found in a briefcase in there, of course. There's a woman named Ira Jean Tensley who was convicted and sentenced to 240 months in prison for selling cocaine. She talks about going with them to Chicago on one time, taking two trips. And basically they get back and he would give her some drugs for transporting it, basically.

For her troubles. Yeah, Tensley transported the drugs back to Davenport in exchange for some cocaine, basically. That's how they did it. He ends up putting an end to all this in 2004. This is going on for like two years. Yeah. And then finally, 2004, he decides to plead guilty for cocaine distribution. It's a cocaine distribution conspiracy charge, but he was fighting for a reduced sentence.

So he fights for a reduced sentence. He calls witnesses. Witnesses are called by him. Witnesses are called by him. Witnesses are called by the prosecution. There's testimony, including a hidden video camera in the hotel that showed him entering the hotel, shoving the cocaine down his pants, walking out, seeing the cops throwing the cocaine again. That's a bit incriminating. A little bit. Michael accepted responsibility for buying the drugs, he said, but he says he insists that the deal, he wasn't buying those drugs because he said it was only going to be $400.

He was saying that I said it was $400, and obviously that costs more than $400, so obviously I wasn't buying that shit. They were giving me way too much. Yeah, they were just having me bring it somewhere for them, and it's not me, but the guy who's having them do it's an FBI agent. So, yeah. Anyway, the whole thing. Are they buying it?

They ain't buying it, let's just say here. They're not buying it at all. At the end of it, he says to the judge, quote, you guys haven't shown me nothing. Where are your facts, Mr. Prosecutor? That says he's indignant at the end. Jesus. Cop is also, or the judge is also indignant. He says, you, sir, may fuck off.

He is sentenced to 292 months in jail. Wowza. 24 years and four months in federal prison. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Wow. He agreed to a higher sentencing guideline after considering his long history testimony of him been trafficking drugs for 10 years.

What was his face like when he got that? Right. And likelihood that he probably used a firearm during drug deals, too, which probably charges up a bit. That'll do it, man. So he is gone. That is going the fuck away. 2005. He tries to appeal.

Yeah. He's trying to appeal, saying, I made a deal. And with that deal, I thought I was getting a better sentence. Didn't you hear the part where they said federal drug charges are the end of the road? And yeah, they say, no, sorry. What they tell him is knowingly and voluntarily waived as raving your right to appeal at the plea hearing. They provide him with a detailed explanation of the waiver and all that, and so you can't have a waiver now.

No, it's over. After you've already done it, you don't like what happened. Now, October 15, 2006, Michael Munn Jr. is shot. Oh, boy. That was a fucking right turn. Yeah. He is shot in the thigh at a Wendy's restaurant. Sweet Pete.

In Davenport. What the fuck? Jesus Christ. How the hell? Do they have a story? How the fuck does that happen? He apparently said that he was assaulted by several men and he was trying to flee and he was shot in the leg while he was trying to flee. Yeah, he says that.

He's just trying to enjoy that bottomless chili. Yeah. Well, they end up arresting someone, and they said that he had a revolver and shot him in an effort to rob him and take his money or drugs. He's eating at Wendy's. He doesn't have a lot of money. They were in the parking lot at Wendy's. They weren't eating at the one.

I don't think he can afford the Wendy's. He's got drugs, though. That's bananas. That's the last place I'm robbing somebody at. Oh, shit. Nunn Jrr runs into the restaurant where he falls over and collapses in the wendy's with the thigh bleeding those poor employees call the the police department like great jesus christ uh it struck his femoral artery

oh shit lucky he didn't fucking die yeah he didn't die though uh they then stole his truck also that the shooter stole his truck but they found it about six blocks from the scene. Insult to injury. Wow. So now even his kid's involved. Yeah. So his mom's been wrapped up in his craziness. Yeah.

Right? Kids. He's got his wife in. Junior's life is fucked. Junior's life is fucked. Now he's limping around on top of it. He's got trainers that he fucked over and took there. NBC's disappointed in him. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy.

I really do. Honestly, I do. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Michael Nunn, a South African mining entrepreneur. Oh, Jesus. Didn't expect that, did you? That's a fucking – that's a diamond guy. That's a guy. That's a guy that steals diamonds with his toes and his family gets shot for it.

Well, he makes black kids do it, I think, with one arm, poor kids. He says he has 25 years of hands-on mining industry experience. Okay. And he's ready to go here. Michael Nunn, who is a security and resilience manager at National Savings and Investment in Durham in the UK. Okay. So he does security for a bank.

What's a resilience fucking? I don't know. That's a lot of time. Michael Nunn, store manager at Walmart. I even feel bad for him. And he works at Walmart, and he'd still rather be himself than this other guy. I really feel bad for that guy. He works in Austin, Texas over there.

And finally, Michael Nunn, who is a British ballet dancer, choreographer, and television and film director. Currently directing the film Ballet Boys with a Z. Fantastic. So that's what you got there. In prison, Michael became a Muslim. He found fucking religion. You're goddamn right he did. The bingo cards filled.

And also became a vegetarian. Of course. To lose some of that light heavy weight. He says, quote, I didn't come to prison to get into any problems. I mind my own business and I keep to myself. Do you become vegetarian or vegan? He says vegetarian. I don't know if he knows what

vegan is or what here. He says if he was ever released early, he plans to reside in Las Vegas and start his life over. He says he wants to get out and do something positive and make him better. They asked him, this is in like 2006, if you were released today, would you make a comeback? And he said, it'd be a strong possibility. But if I cannot box, he plans to be involved with the sport in some fashion.

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It's going to be a hilarious night. Two shows, crime and sports, early show, small town murder, late show. We can't wait to see you there, guys. Let's party. Let's do it. May 2007, they charged the shooter of his son, Howard Hines Jr. Of course it's a junior. Of course it is.

A junior on junior violence. Stop it, people. God damn it. He's charged with willfully and going armed with intent. He's arrested, and that's that. Poor Michael Nunn, Jr., never had a chance. 2008, Michael Nunn is at the federal prison in Sandstone, Minnesota. He gets up at 6 a.m.

He's got to be at his job on the paint crew at 7 a.m. Brutal. To paint that, he makes between 12 and 41 cents an hour, depending on the job. Ouch. He says it's not that bad there, because he goes to a bunch of different prisons. He said, quote, this here is kiddie camp compared to the places I've been. So he's fine with that shit. He says he goes to school.

He gets an education. He wants to keep getting more of an education so he can do something when he's 60. He says he gets maybe 25 to 30 letters a month, just fan letters asking him about shit. He says he writes every one of them back. He says, quote, what the fuck else does he have to do? I feel it's my duty. You feel good in that people still think about you. Makes you feel truly blessed.

Makes you want to do the right thing. I don't want people to think of me and say that he was a drug dealer. I don't want to paint the wrong picture for the kids. I want to right my wrongs. You put that in there. Now, 2011, new sentencing guidelines come out. I don't know if you remember that. They rolled back on nonviolent drug offenders, a lot of the crazy long federal sentences like this. This protocol brings that release date down to December of 2019. Okay. Because we're looking at a release date for him. For him?

For him, yeah. On July 18, 2015, he makes a Facebook post. What? He's got a Facebook and a Twitter. We'll get to that. Makes a Facebook post begging for help, that he's uh being abused in the prison uh 90 days with no phone 60 days with no commissary says a guard jacked him up jacked him up called him the n-word twisted his arm around messed him up hurt him yeah um yeah sounds

like what happens in prison i'm gonna say that sounds about right for shit for god that sucks uh petition there's a petition it's ipetition.com for medical treatment for Michael Nunn. He says he's routinely blasted with racial slurs and had threats made to him, and he hasn't been seeing the doctor enough. They will not give him medical care. He needs to be seen by a doctor. God damn it. Somebody please give the son of a bitch a dollar or something.

Fuck. 2015, he brings a civil rights suit against the prison. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. Claiming exactly what I just told you. It's against the officer Patton and an officer Walker, and he's seeking $150,000 in damages from each. They moved him from cell to cell, and he claims that they beat him up and called him names.

Okay. And they said they had to move him from cell to cell because there was a toilet malfunction. And that was that. Basically, nothing happened. I mean, they got cameras in prisons. Like, if something happened, won't they know? They say he pulled away from them. And the guy backed out and closed the door, the officer, because he said that, honestly, he thought the guy's a professional boxer.

And he wasn't going to sit there and fight the guy one on one which makes fucking sense. I'm not going to fight him either. I don't care how old he is. Especially in a prison cell. Christ almighty. Close quarters like that? Fuck that. No thanks. We'll fuck your ass up. He says that his wrist was fractured but there's an x-ray of his wrist saying that he was not fractured.

The bottom line is they watched a video of it. The whole thing's captured on video. The judge said there's no evidence that the officer used the handcuffs incorrectly or caused any medical injury. No, no excessive force. He's fine in their own words on this here. Let's give him a say on this. He says, quote, I've been in prison going on 15 years, but I never intended it to be my home. Just a temporary address.

I need to be home where the real love is, and it will come to pass soon, God willing. And once freedom is given back to the champ, I will do bigger and better things. Oh, boy. Holy shit. When I get my Letterman jacket back. April 29, 2017, his mom dies. Oh, no. She's dead.

She's up there swinging Louboutins in the sky. You know it, man. He's currently incarcerated in the Federal Correctional Institution at Oxford. It's a medium security federal prison in Washington, Wisconsin, scheduled for release in 2019. Jesus. He says the first order of business will be to reconnect with his family. He said he wants to get with his family, his kids, his grandbabies, all his loved ones. And he says, as you know, it will be a wonderful reunion.

They said, will you come back to the Quad Cities to live? He said, Davenport has always been my home. I fucked up there so many times. I need to continue. He said, I have a lot of family and friends there in the Quad Cities. Davenport and Michael Nunn go together like peanut butter and jelly. Did he say that? He actually said that.

No way. Bet your ass. What an asshole. Peanut butter and jelly, if you could put handcuffs around it. Right. He's been in seven prisons since 2004. They move him all around. No way. Bet your ass. What an asshole. Peanut butter and jelly if you could put handcuffs around it. Right. He's been in seven prisons since 2004. They move him all around.

Let's give Dan Goosen the last word here because he knew him kind of the best. He said, quote, it's not that Michael Nunn blew through double-digit millions. It's not a tragedy because he may not go to the Hall of Fame. He was just too good of a man to put himself in that position where he's not there to be able to touch people and touch their lives and make a difference and make them feel special. That's the tragedy. That's what he says. I think there's a lot more tragedy to that. He's a complete fuck-up. I think he's touched enough people. He's touched plenty.

Women, cops, fucking can't get enough of Michael Nunn. You can follow him on Twitter. It's Michael John and Nunn, but N-U-N. Not two N's like his name. One N. Two. Michael John Nunn, too. His location on it reads, Hazleton FCI

number 11772030. I was going to say, are you sure that's not his son? But then he's got the correctional facility. I mean, his son might be managing it for him. I don't know, but he tweets out, all he tweets out is his medical GoFundMe thing every day. Every day? It's constant. He has 19 followers.

And he joined in 2015, so he's not brand new. If you can't get enough even more, you can go to eBay. They have a 1991 AW boxing card. It's $175 with $250 shipping. You can get a signed cover of a KO magazine for him.

Or you can go to Champs UK and get an official program for the Nunn-Marlin-Starling fight. And it's 65 pounds over there on that. That is Michael Nunn. Wow. What a fucking disastrous mess. Can you imagine? And most people, I'm going to go out on a limb and say 99% of the people that are going to listen to this have never heard of this. No, probably not.

Unless you're a big boxing fan, you've never heard of him. And he is a mess. And he fought so much, was so famous in a complete mess and a disaster. A mess. Holy shit. If you like that story, I know what you can do. Yeah? You can go to iTunes.

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So thank you all so much. But the people that came through this week for Patreon to become producers of this show, first and always, big homie Dana Grayson. Dana Grayson. Thank you so much, Dana. Yes. Dana, you're a good dude. Oh, yeah.

Jess Landgren and Christiane Castaldi never stop being amazing either. Thank you both. We love you. We love you. Lisa White, Cody Cargillie, or Cargill, or Cargill, Cargillie. It could be so many things. Cody, thank you. Ann Menhir, Mary Edwards, Emily Irvin, Haley Misseldein, or Misseldeen?

Fucking, are you kidding me? Close, that's close. Misseldeen. Misseldeen. I'm going with Misseldeen. Amy Pohanik. Pohanik. Andrew Wiegand or Wiegand or Wiegand.

Every week I pronounce it and he tells me that I'm wrong. So I'm just sticking with what doesn't work. Sherry Holland. Louisa or Louvisa Sodergren. Charles Glass. Rachel Flaherty. Chris Azcarraga. Why do I always do that?

Every time. Every time. Then you get it right. Yeah. That's correct. Thanks, Chris. Michael Wannop, or Wannop, Kasten Johnson. Kasten. That's definitely Kasten.

Patrick Cunningham, Aaron Tanner. He's terrific. Thank you, Aaron. Really appreciate your support. Jared Hohe, or Hoey, or Hey Now. Hey Now. Hoey. Hoge support. Jared Hohe or Hoey or Hey Now. Hey Now. Hoey. Hogey.

It could be Hogey. Hey Now. Hogey. It could be a lot of things. It could be. It's probably Huffy. Probably. Charlie Huff, the old pitcher, was H-O-U-G-H.

That's Charlie Huff. It's probably Huffy. No, it's H-A-U, though. Oh. It could be so many things. I don't fucking know that. It could be Howfie. Howgie.

Howfie. Ugh. So many things, Jared. Conf howgy howfy oh so many things jared confusing what a horrible last name uh noah wooten holly gaston um mariki mariki bergman mariki bergman i know it's wrong and it doesn't matter i'm never gonna get it right carolyn paul danadu um terry stoudinger stoudinger st Terry Staudinger, it's probably Staudinger, right? I don't know. Sounds good to me. Probably. Yeah, Staudinger. Rob McDowell, Kat Ojala, I think that's right. Ashley Raddatz is on, I believe that's Snapchat. Thank you, Ashley. Jessica Gore, Rania Wilson,

Aaron Tanner, again, I've got him twice in here, Chris Gerke, Lane Jupe, Greg Nelly, Ryan Cantwell, Jennifer McIntosh, Jonathan Houle, Brittany Reeves, Megan Almagro, Jedediah Suntheimer, people say that they love this, and this is punishment. This is so – Punishing for you. It's really – I think that I'm a smart person until I start reading people that like me. They don't make sense. No.

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Leah Egan, who wanted me to, no, her sister wanted me to tell her she can go fuck herself. I think that's how it went. You sir may fuck off. You ma'am. You ma'am may fuck off. She can go fuck herself. I think that's how it went. You sir may fuck off.

You ma'am. You ma'am may fuck off. Gabrielle Rubuccio, Kimberly Ross, Lisa Saputis, Wesley Swims, Brian Johnson, Stacy Van Antwerp, Reasonback, Stephanie Van Antwerp. Thank you. Drop that last one. Diana Ruiz, Michael Bartolomeu, Eliza Gramling, Heather Yarber, Rachel Krause or Cruz, Melissa Silsby, Mary Sellers, Brock Timmons, Michelle Miller, A. Kiefer, Carrie Giglio, Adam Eppinger, Quebec, the town of Quebec loves us. That's fantastic. Whole province.

Yeah, the whole damn thing. They love us. Let's Talk Pods. Go check out their podcast. They donated to us. Thank you guys very much. Lisa Jacobson, Alexia Gordon, Diane Flynn, Laurent Fuss, Ben Larson, and then Lisa Harbin. I don't know if I got you last week, but thank you, Lisa.

You guys, it's really heartwarming to see that long of a list of people that really give a shit. And I can't tell you how much we appreciate it. Thank you all so, so much. Thank you guys, really. It's everything we have. Anything that comes good, like we keep saying, is because of you guys. Thank you, because you guys have done it all for us, and we appreciate it so much. Couldn't do it without you.

That's the truth. And what if one of these fine people wanted to get a hold of a nice podcast host such as yourself, Jimmy? If you give a shit about me and want to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, or Snapchat, it's at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks. Follow, play along. I follow everybody else, too. It's fantastic to have you guys along.

I appreciate it. Yeah, interact. Interact with each other, too. That's fun. Yeah, I love seeing that. That's so cool. And I'm at JimmyPIsFunny. You can find me there.

Or try to spell my last name. Best of luck. See what you got. There's an I in there. Good luck. Find it. But other than that, guys, we're – God, what a great episode. We had a lot of fun.

That was great. And we're going to continue to have fun each and every week. You're damn right. Live from the Crime and Sports studios, we will see you next week. Bye. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.