Crime in Sports - #98 - Violent Lives Bring Violent Deaths - The Ferociousness of Edwin Valero... LIVE from Chicago!!

Episode Date: December 18, 2017

This week, we are LIVE in Chicago at Lincoln Hall, where we are overwhelmed with violence, as we look at a man, so full of rage that not even boxing was enough to get out his aggressions. He ...started young, and only got worse. From motorcycle riding robberies, to violence, assault, and finally a bloody & horrific murder. And thats not even the final, pathetic chapter. This one is wild & crazy, so strap in, and get ready!!Look for street fights from a young age, never wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle, and after you kill someone, make sure not to deny it, with Edwin Valero!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at...patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.comGet all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comFor Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows...BOSTON: Feb 18Crime In Sports:https://www.ticketfly.com/purchase/event/1589056?_ga=2.84751449.1576137293.1510029131-53581790.1510029128&__utma=1.876925325.1510029128.1510029128.1510029128.1&__utmb=1.2.10.1510029128&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1510029128.1.1.utmcsr=yahoo|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=(not%20provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=255437192Small Town Murderhttps://www.ticketfly.com/purchase/event/1589061?_ga=2.53771112.1576137293.1510029131-53581790.1510029128&__utma=1.876925325.1510029128.1510029128.1510029128.1&__utmb=1.2.10.1510029128&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1510029128.1.1.utmcsr=yahoo|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=(not%20provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=255437192DETROIT: Feb 16Stand Up Show w/ Dan Cumminshttps://www.ticketweb.com/event/dan-cummins-james-pietragallo-the-magic-bag-tickets/7823825?pl=magicbagCheck out or site: truecrimecomedyteam.comAll web support by Web and Writerwebandwriter.com or Facebook.com/webandwriterContact us on...twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:19 My name is James Petrigal. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for coming out tonight. We're not going to do any of the normal intro opening stuff. No. with my co-host I'm Jimmy Wissman thank you folks so much for coming out tonight we're not going to do any of the normal intro opening stuff
Starting point is 00:02:29 no yeah Patreon blah blah blah whatever you guys are here that's all good PayPal, Patreon buy a mattress
Starting point is 00:02:36 do it we appreciate it find love on eHarmony all that good shit but anyway besides that look for a new car yes that's yes
Starting point is 00:02:44 a true car I'm telling you guys guys you don't have to be bald yes it's true they'll sell if you have hair they'll sell you a car it's fine let's get started tonight with our our star of the week yeah shall we let's we'll call him this week edwin valero i have no fucking no that is no idea who that is, Jimmy. There you go. Oh, that guy. It's not that guy, actually. It's that guy. There you go. Edwin Valero.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Look at him. What the fuck is that? He's a boxer. He looks like a little trollish, right? He looks like that. Yeah. So you know that little video online, the little guy that dances and then the guy presses stop?
Starting point is 00:03:18 That's what he looks like. Yeah, kind of. Everybody in the room is now going to search for that. They're all going to be on that. Google it. It's a great story. Yeah, he looks like an Incan they brought back from the past and put gloves on him. That's the guy that stops chiseling the calendar.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Yeah, yeah. Fuck it. He's like, I'm not Mayan, Jimmy. Jesus Christ. Ladies and gentlemen, my co-host, Andrew Jackson, everybody. I love it. I love it so much. He's actually known as El Inca because he is an Incan warrior.
Starting point is 00:03:51 And Dinamita, which is dynamite in Spanish. Of course. So that's what he is there, which is kind of like a Mike Tyson ripoff, I feel like. This dude's a badass, guys. I'm telling you right now. This dude is a badass. The badass restarted on December 3rd, 1981. All the way in Meridia, Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:04:08 He's younger than me. He's younger than you. He's younger than both of us. Meridia, Venezuela. You've been there, Jimmy? Been there. Been there. You love it?
Starting point is 00:04:13 Terrible. It's a good place. I've never been. No, me neither. It's terrible. It's a horrible dictatorship and it's an awful place. That's what I assume. And he's super into that, too.
Starting point is 00:04:21 We'll get into this. It is a dictatorship. Oh, yeah. Hugo Chavez. All right. I don't know that. You don't know anything. Okay. We'll get into this. It is a dictatorship. Oh, yeah. Hugo Chavez. All right. I don't know that. You don't know anything. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:27 We're educating Jimmy in both sports, geopolitical things, everything here. This kid grew up tough. Venezuela is not the most affluent country out there, really. He was right in the middle of it here. Basically, he's immediately fighting on the street. That's what he does. He's a street fighter. He's robbing people.
Starting point is 00:04:45 He's got a great... Good family life? No, no, no. What do you think, Jimmy? Out of all of our guys, we got about a 10% good family life ratio on this bad boy? Venezuela, I figure, is just a down-home country place. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Down-home country place. That's where Beaver... It's upsetting to leave it to Beaver, right? Yes. That's where Cracker Barrel is based out of there, Jimmy. That's where it is right there. They make great rocking chairs. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Venezuela, and it was even worse then, but now poverty in Venezuela is between 35% and 65%. So it is poor. That shit is poor. The homicide rate in Venezuela is 88 homicides per 100,000. It's like two here. It's terrible. They're just gunning people per 100,000. It's like two here. It's terrible. They're just gunning people down in the streets. It's awful.
Starting point is 00:05:28 He would tell people. He ends up coming to the States to box. We'll get to that later. But he would tell people about his childhood and about he would hang out with motorcycle gangs and steal shit. And he was just like a thief on the streets. Great. And just being like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's what you do in Venezuela.
Starting point is 00:05:43 I like him. Maybe that's like joining Little League there. I don't know. I'm's what you do in Venezuela. My man. I like him. Maybe that's like joining Little League there. I don't know. I'm not sure. I've never been there. You get a nickname and a scooter. That's it. Here you go.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Yeah. Here you go. Dina, me took it out there and punched some people and delivered this. His father, Domingo, was a truck driver. His mother is Maria Eloisa. That's a nice name right there. Not bad at all. He had a two-bedroom house that he grew up in with his parents and four siblings.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Five kids, two parents, two-bedroom house. That is a lot. It's bigger than my house. Two-bedroom? It was a trailer. Oh, a trailer. Was it divided into rooms at least? One fucking room and then somewhere where my mom and my dad made more kids.
Starting point is 00:06:21 And where were you? One of the kids. One of the kids? You popped out? And then my dad left. Slept at the foot of the bed? Is that what you did there? So it worked out great. That's good.
Starting point is 00:06:30 That's excellent. That's a different show. That is not the right one. I am a mess right now. I have no idea how to work this fucking thing. They love this behind the scenes shit. This is awful. This is not how this normally works.
Starting point is 00:06:44 This never happens. This is not how this works. I've got to find in their own words. I don't know where it shit. This is awful. This is not how this normally works. This is not how this works. I got to find in their own words. I don't know where it is. That's not it. That's not it. What do we got here? It is my favorite music.
Starting point is 00:06:54 It's a fucking nightmare. That was good. How do I get out of here? That was so good. Hey. There we go. There we go. There's some...
Starting point is 00:07:01 Yeah. In their own words, quote, I did not have a normal childhood. It was work, work, work. I gave my mother everything I earned. We had barely enough to eat. The only sport I ever played until I was 10 was marbles. There was never time.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Is that a sport? Marbles. Apparently marbles is a sport. By your definition, marbles is not a fucking sport. I don't think it is. But I think he was... He's sadly mistaken. Yeah, what are you going to do?
Starting point is 00:07:24 It's still going. Stop. Stop. It's over fuckers uh his mom was a dishwasher his dad left at nine of course uh of course yeah so he guess he dropped out of school at nine i didn't think that was even possible like in any country you know what i mean like you're nine fuck it do we have to go pro at marbles i guess that's true that's a big there's a big circuit down there it's pretty crazy it's cutthroat down there it's tough that's where all the homicide rate comes from it's all it's marble gang on marble gang killings it's rough by whatever the fuck you're taking in it's it's the truth man uh at 12 years old he was homeless yeah uh he's living on the streets in venezuela uh not too
Starting point is 00:08:02 not too good obviously that's a bad situation for sure he's he fights on the streets in Venezuela. Not too good, obviously. That's a bad situation. For sure. He fights on the street. He's just a crazy street fighter. He's not afraid of anybody. His first sports really came with taekwondo. He got into taekwondo at 13. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:15 But he didn't have enough money to keep continuing the classes. I was just going to ask that. How do you pay for lessons to do that shit? That was the problem. They kicked his ass out. No, they said, get the fuck out of here. You can't do that. All right. So he got a job at a bicycle shop.
Starting point is 00:08:24 That'll do it. There you go. You can steal bikes. And the right. So he got a job at a bicycle shop. That'll do it. There you go. You can steal bikes. The owner of the bicycle shop was a former boxer. Gotcha. Here we go. All right. He sees that this kid, Edwin, is a rageful little shithead.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Yeah, he's angry. For sure. He's an angry little fuck. He's got a lot of rage. He's tiny, too. He's a little 5'6". He's 135 pounds. He's a tiny guy.
Starting point is 00:08:41 You claim to be 5'7". He claims 5'7". I'm 5'8". You are not 5'8". I swear to Christ. I swear to Christ. He is not tiny guy. You claim to be 5'7". He claims 5'7". You are not 5'8". He is not 5'8". I swear. We will get a measuring tape at this fucking show out in the lobby. I will measure you. You're not 5'8".
Starting point is 00:08:52 You know it. Neither here nor there. So he gets into boxing. So what he would do, he ended up moving into the boxing gym. He just lived there. That sounds great. Which is great if you're a kid like that. She's better than being at home with my wife. She's washing dishes pissed off because dad's gone. That's the just lived there. That sounds great. Which is great if you're a kid like that. It's better than being at home with my wife while she's washing dishes
Starting point is 00:09:05 pissed off because dad's gone. That's the truth right there. So he's fighting on the streets the whole time and he's getting into gangs, of course, too. That's the thing, too. He's got to fight gangs and motorcycle gangs. There was like thief motorcycle gangs, which sounds like an awesome movie, doesn't it? Like a gang of ten. Fuck Vin Diesel.
Starting point is 00:09:22 This sounds much better. Especially because they're 12. That'd be even better. A gang of 12-year-old motorcycle thieves. That would be amazing. The size of Mickey Rourke at 12 years old, though. That's perfect. Same face. Grizzled smoke.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Same face. Got the voice. Son of bitches. Do that here. So he becomes a boxer very quickly. At around the same time, though, about 12, 13, that he starts boxing, he also gets into cocaine, which is, of course, obviously. Once again, plenty of progression.
Starting point is 00:09:48 It's a natural progression. We are talking about like late 80s, early 90s South America. So I think cocaine was, you know, it was like sweet and low. One day you're playing marbles. It's just on the table. How do you take your coffee? Rocks in it? You like rocks?
Starting point is 00:10:02 Okay. One day you're playing marbles and you're like can we grind these down? Let's grind this down. Yeah, let's do this up here. But he gets he's good though. It doesn't matter. In all this
Starting point is 00:10:11 Fucking sweet and low? What? Go on. Cocaine. The sweet and low of South America. Perfect. There we go.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I think we found a t-shirt, folks. Let's do that. Let me see. Come into it. Oh my God, man. Oh's do that. What do you say? Come into it. Oh, my God, man. Oh, Jesus Christ. So he's living at the boxing gym.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Oscar Ortega is training him. He's this guy. He said he lived constantly in the streets with, quote, bad groups. Yeah. But in the ring, though, he's in the ring. He's got it together. Sure. This is the thing.
Starting point is 00:10:41 He's a huge star amateur. He wins a national championship at 15, which is like the Golden Gloves down there, sure this is a thing he's a he's a huge star amateur he wins a national championship at 15 which is like the golden gloves down there for lack of a better term and then again twice in 1996 so i mean he's he's amateur wise he's a badass fire in 1998 i'm sorry he's a badass fighter uh he says that about uh when he's talking he had about a group of 30 friends that he hung out with and uh he said quote they were all killed by the police or their enemies. Wow. Chicago's familiar. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:11 We've been there. We've been there. Yeah. They know what's up there. There's a black guy or two in here going, yeah, go on, go on. They're like Meridia. That's on the south side, right? That's over.
Starting point is 00:11:20 It's right down there. It's Lakeshore. You hear what I'm saying? He's like, well, in that world, you dealt drugs, stole, or worked as a hitman. Okay. That's great. Boxing is what saved me. Not really, as we'll get into later, but that's okay.
Starting point is 00:11:33 For now. For now. He wasn't killed by his enemies anyway, so that's good. I trained hard and never once used drugs or even smoked a cigarette. What a pussy. He actually was doing tons of cocaine before. That was full of shit. That was for like a Venezuelan fluff piece in like 98, literally.
Starting point is 00:11:50 By the way, this whole thing, I don't know if you guys know this, but a South American dictatorship, kind of a shitty media situation down there. Real difficult finding a lot of this shit. Oh, I'm sure. It's not easy, so you really had to kind of... The police are killing everybody. They don't want that shit in the news. What nice thing is, later on, his family starts ratting him out for a bunch of cool shit.
Starting point is 00:12:06 So we got a bunch of good information. But he's at the gym with Ortega every afternoon for hours. He ate his meals at this guy's house. This guy just took him in. It was surrogate father action, which, good God. How many of these people have we talked about that could have used this? Could have used a silver-haired, middle-aged white man that wasn't using them and ruining them. Was actually helping them. Somebody he was actually lending a hand.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Exactly. Yeah, that's the thing here. He said basically that's all he had. If it wasn't for Ortega, if it wasn't for the gym, he was on his own. He said, quote, I had the keys to the gym and when there was no tournaments pending, I often slept there. Nobody was watching me. Look, he says, these are all tooth marks. I like to get in street fights.
Starting point is 00:12:43 He's got scars all up and down his arm from people biting him. What the fuck? Cocaine makes you bite people. It's like crocodile. Is that like that movie with the Brazilian dancing, fighting?
Starting point is 00:12:57 Remember that? Is that part of it? Is that the Venezuelan part? That's bananas. He fights in the streets. It's like fighting with an ex-wife fight. That's crazy. Yeah, a bad divorce, too.
Starting point is 00:13:10 That's like fighting with my ex-wife. Jimmy knows the behind the scenes there. That's funny. So anyway, he's always there. He's just doing that sort of thing. He begins holding up students at the colleges at gunpoint. This is, you know, that's what you do when you're a kid, I think, right?
Starting point is 00:13:30 And you do that to me. I can't even think about having that thought. That's fucking amazing. He rides up on a motorcycle and says, give me all your money. He's 16. Maybe 16. And then he'd just fight them for some reason. Hopefully they don't bite him, I guess.
Starting point is 00:13:44 But the cops were watching him, actually, because he was doing a lot of shit, more than he, you know, kind of didn't stand to the radar like he might have. Like that would have been the smart thing to do. So what he did is, one day he's leaving the gym and he's got a stolen motorcycle, and as he's riding away, the cops pick him up.
Starting point is 00:14:01 And there's that. He's been arrested before, but this is the first time he's actually going to spend time in jail. He spent six months in jail. And he could have got up to ten years, but he was a minor, so he had six months. So he's actually very, very lucky
Starting point is 00:14:12 at this point here. Through all this, he's still fighting. It's like last... Oh, yeah, by the way, he's a boxer, too. He's still fighting. So he's doing this.
Starting point is 00:14:20 He's still fighting. As an amateur, his amateur record is 86-6. Holy shit. Yes, with 57 or 45 knockouts, depending on who you talk to. My Christ. Venezuelan record-keeping on amateur boxing isn't what it needs to be, I don't think. Very upset about that.
Starting point is 00:14:37 He's a lefty, too, which helps him a lot. I mean, Southpaws, that's really helpful for boxing, throws everything off. He wins three straight Venezuelan amateur championships. He's a featherweight quarterfinalist in the second America's Olympic qualifier in Tijuana, Mexico. Second America? Is that what they're calling Venezuela now? I think they're calling it South America. It's like Chicago's second city.
Starting point is 00:14:55 They're like, we're second America. They're okay with that. He ends up losing a decision to Enrique Perez of Argentina. He's a featherweight silver medalist in the third America's Olympic qualifier in Buenos Aires, Argentina. There's a lot of Americas. This is fucking amazing. Canada counts, too, I think. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:14 He defeated Zaya Yunan of Canada. He's the third America. That's the fourth America. He defeated Daniel Jimenez of the Dominican Republic, 13-9. Defeated Wilfredo Renderos. I know you have a poster up in your room. He sounds Daniel Jimenez of the Dominican Republic, 13-9. Defeated Wilfredo Renderos, so I know you have a poster up in your room since childhood. He wins, he loses
Starting point is 00:15:32 to Vladimir, or Valdemir, Valdemir Pereira of Brazil. As you guys know, if you've donated anything to us, you know he's destroyed your name. So, butchered it. Just butchered it. Thank you guys know, if you donated anything to us, you know he's destroyed your name. So, butchered it. Just butchered it.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Thank you, Austin Smythe. It's Smith, Jimmy. Come on down. No, my favorite was Pamela. You mean Pamela, Jimmy? Her too? What about her? Does she have any say in this?
Starting point is 00:16:03 Ah, Christ, I'm retarded. A little bit, but that's okay. That's fine here. I wrote it. That's the most embarrassing part. It's not like somebody scribbled the doctor handwriting. I wrote the shit down and said Pamela
Starting point is 00:16:14 and then out of my mouth said Pamela. You had a look on your face too like, I don't know what this word is. That was the scary part. It looked like when you put a medical term in front of yourself. It was like, oh no. Pamela? Pamela?
Starting point is 00:16:26 Pamela? You're like that kid in Billy Madison. Today, dude. Exactly. Exactly. God damn it. Oh my God. So, he...
Starting point is 00:16:41 But he's boxing. He just misses the 2000 Olympics. Just misses the 2000 Olympic Games. No, he's in it, correct? Sydney Olympics, absolutely. Losing to... We've had several athletes in those Olympics, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:51 He loses to the guy whose name I couldn't pronounce from Brazil. He wins the 2000 Central... Vladimir was from Brazil? Valdemir. Oh, okay. Valdemir. I don't know. Perriera.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Got it. I will say. He wins the 2000 Central American and Caribbean Featherweight Championships in Caracas. So that's good. Caracas, Venezuela. He defeats Garibaldi. His name is Garibaldi with a Y and everything. Garibaldi Keller.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Oh, that poor fuck. That's awesome. I hope he has a full head of hair or else he's really depressed. Just killing it. And then he defeats Francisco Bojado, who ends up being that is not Francisco Bojado. That is Francisco Bojado here. He defeats him, the one
Starting point is 00:17:32 punching, not the one taking the punch. He was actually a Venezuelan national amateur champion and Central and South American. Does he have a man bun? No, no. He just has hair flopping mid-punch. I was just really hating him a lot For the man butt?
Starting point is 00:17:49 I fucking hate that so much It's because of this shit It's just jealousy It's just jealousy, that's all it is It's just 100% envy, that's all it is Not douchebag? No, not at all So he ends up
Starting point is 00:18:04 I've lived that lifestyle, that's what I'm saying I would absolutely live Fuck yes No, not at all. So he ends up... I've lived that lifestyle. That's what I'm saying. I would absolutely live... Fuck yes. Absolutely. Rub it in the face of bald dudes. It's clearly superior.
Starting point is 00:18:15 It's not bad. It's not bad. So you want the man bun. Yeah. All right. This shit is my mom's fault for buying that herbal essence shampoo. Really?
Starting point is 00:18:23 When you were nine? She was not coming in the shower, you guys. That was her losing her fucking hair. That's what all the noise that woman was making. Oh, oh, oh, no. Your hair's falling out. Stop that. Hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:18:35 It's cheating. Wait, wait, wait. Let's take one. Let's take a break there for one second. I need a clarification. I was a little confused by that. I don't know if everybody else was, too. So your hair...
Starting point is 00:18:46 So you lost your hair out of stress from your mom's orgasmic shampoo reaction? Or the shampoo was shitty and it made you lose your hair? The shampoo is cheap shit shampoo. And my mom would buy it because it wasn't tested on animals. Maybe we should test the fucking mouse.
Starting point is 00:19:03 That's all I'm saying. Because it makes their kids bald. I don't Maybe we should test a fucking mouse. That's all I'm saying. Because it makes their kids bald. I don't give a fuck about a bald mouse. That's what I'm telling you. I don't give a fuck about bald me. No, you should. So I would live that douchey lifestyle with a man bun.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Someday, Jimmy. We're going to hook you up. We'll get you a nice wig or some propicia or both and we'll get this together. I need a yarmulke with one man bun. Someday, Jimmy. We're going to hook you up. We'll get you a nice wig or some propicia or both and we're going to hook us together. I need a yarmulke with one on it. That's what I need. To cover the balls behind. So you'd be Jewish and a douche. A Mongolian Jew. That's what I want to be.
Starting point is 00:19:38 That's what you'd look like, too. You'd look like the old wrestler Killer Khan for anybody who's... Yeah, there you go. One guy's like, fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Jimmy's going to be spitting the green mist at people anytime now. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:19:51 God damn it. So Francisco Bejado is the Mexican representative at the 2000 Olympic Games. So, you know, no sweat. And he beats him. Valero beats this guy. So he's not too bad. We have a quote here from a writer from The Ring. And he talks about the way Valero is.
Starting point is 00:20:06 And he says, quote, I saw him train about three times before I ever saw him spar, and I was immediately awed by him. He says, the first time I saw him train, just go through the stations in this really cramped gym and watching him skip rope and go from a double end bag to a speed bag to a heavy bag and shadow boxing. His intensity set him apart from most professional fighters that you saw. And then I saw him spar, and my God, he was having an easy time with guys he shouldn't have been having an easy time with. He just came, for sure. That was a slow stroke if I've ever heard one.
Starting point is 00:20:34 That was amazing. I could have played video, but it's like for the people, you guys would be reacting to video, and I have no idea what the fuck's going on. So I didn't. But yeah, he kicks some ass. He hits so hard. You know how idea what the fuck's going on. So I didn't. But yeah, he kicks some ass. He hits so hard. You know how you see the little guys fight and they just pepper each other for 12 rounds?
Starting point is 00:20:50 He will knock your ass out quickly as we'll get into here. Professional career here. Like we said, he did not get in the 2000 Olympics. He also had a little problem in 2000 here. He misses the Olympics. So you think right there he's disappointed. Sure. Not great.
Starting point is 00:21:07 So then he gets back. He's in Venezuela. He's disappointed. Playing marbles. He takes the wrong bus. Oh, no. In returning to his hometown after he was beaten in the trials for the Olympics. And he's robbed at gunpoint.
Starting point is 00:21:22 So this must be a change for him. Sure. He's probably a 12-year-old on a motorcycle. He's like, you're fucking doing it wrong. First of all, you're messing this all up. So they robbed him of everything, too. They took his money, his passport, and even his silver medal that he just won
Starting point is 00:21:36 at the ball of ice. What are you going to do with that? Become a criminal forever now. For sure. Well, now you look like a champion criminal, too. They robbed him of his silver. He's got to pay taxes on that. I don't know if it's done as well.
Starting point is 00:21:51 They're going to say, pay taxes. Then you're going to go, no. It probably wasn't even real silver. It's probably like a Hershey's Kiss. It's aluminum, for sure. At one point, there's a contract out on his life for any number of reasons. Fuckery abounds down there.
Starting point is 00:22:07 He's robbing people. Who knows how many people he's pissed off robbing. So thankfully for him, though, the hitman was a friend of his. See, this is the advantage of having scumbag friends. If someone is hired to kill me, I'll never know it unless it's you. And no one's going to hire you to kill me.
Starting point is 00:22:24 They'd be like, you're just going to go up mean? And no one's going to hire you to kill me. Jesus Christ. They'd be like, you're just going to go up and giggle. He's going to know you're coming and he's going to escape. They're going to give me
Starting point is 00:22:31 a card with your name on it and I'm going to go, I don't know how to spell or pronounce that. Oh, shit. God damn. Find this man. I can't pronounce that.
Starting point is 00:22:38 What town is that? I don't know. His mother described his friends as, quote, really bad. They robbed and killed people. That's how they described it.
Starting point is 00:22:46 So obviously. Right. So obviously. And there's the police, too. Now, February 5th, 2001, he has a little bit of a problem, does Edwin. He gets in a severe, and I mean severe, motorcycle accident. Really? Because he's always riding around in a motorcycle.
Starting point is 00:22:58 You think he's wearing a helmet? No. God damn it, no. This guy is just careening toward brain damage as quickly as possible. Sure. Like, punch me in the head, and then I'm going to fall off a motorcycle. I don't need a fucking helmet.
Starting point is 00:23:08 I don't care. He's doing this. He's going 50 miles an hour, and he crashed into the back of a car. So anybody who's ever ridden a bicycle knows what happens there. You fly off head first. He landed 20 feet away,
Starting point is 00:23:19 and pretty much... Was the car parked? Yeah. Well, it stopped. He ran into the back of it, 50 miles an hour. I was thinking, like, just trying to pass him.
Starting point is 00:23:25 No, no, no. And they're doing like 40. It shot his body 20 feet. So his head was stopped and physics kicked in. And he landed on his head. And he had a watermelon on his head. Yeah, that didn't work at all. So yeah, he suffers cerebral hemorrhage and a fractured skull.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Sweet fuck. Not good for a boxer, really. Those aren't the things you want for a boxer. You want to have good hands and a head that's not broken in three different places. He's in the hospital for 13 days. 13, which is a lot. Down there, you have to die to get in there. Yes, he dies.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Good night, everybody. It's been a pleasure having you. It's been great. Thanks for having us here. He comes back. All he wants to do is box, because what the hell else is he going to do? Rob people and do more coke? I don't even know. He has a fractured fucking skull and still wants to fight. Oh, wants to do is box because what the hell else is he going to do? Rob people and do more coke and I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:24:06 He has a fractured fucking skull and he still wants to fight. Oh, he's going to box. Sweet piece. Are you shitting me? He takes about a year and a half off but I don't know. Apparently it takes a year and a half
Starting point is 00:24:14 for a skull to heal. I don't know. But that's what it is. He said, and this is from Oscar De La Hoya here who later knows him. He says, oh yeah,
Starting point is 00:24:23 he says, quote, he never gave up on himself or his own career, but he was frustrated with his promoter, which was the then-fledgling Golden Boy Promotions, which he's talking about that. He says, Anytime the interview
Starting point is 00:24:34 De La Hoya, I picture him walking away from the interview, and he's just wearing his asses out and fishnets, and he's just walking in high heels, clip-clopping away. Yeah, that's true. And he's like, true. He was amazing. But from the camera, he had a sport jacket and tie on, a nice open-collared dress shirt.
Starting point is 00:24:51 His balls are just back between his legs. Like a dog walking away. That's what I did. It's perfect, man. So now he's got no boxing, but he's trying to stay on the straight and narrow somewhat. He's still doing shit loads of coke. Of course.
Starting point is 00:25:05 Come on. Let's not get crazy here. Dunk coke is fucking amazing. Keep going. He's doing odd jobs. He's working odd jobs. Who knows what he's doing here. He's broke as shit.
Starting point is 00:25:16 So he enlists in the army. Yeah. That's normal, right? That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. So now he's going to debut in the army here. He does that. It doesn't work out. No. March 2002, he's going to debut in the Army here. He does that. It doesn't work out.
Starting point is 00:25:25 March 2002, he's in the Army. And now he says within three months, he had about two or three fistfights with fellow soldiers and was dishonorably just discharged. Quoting him, quote, they kicked me out. Well, no shit. You can't fight people. You're supposed to fight the outside world,
Starting point is 00:25:40 not the other people with you. So about finally, after a year and a half, the doctors in Venezuela, who are you, I believe, as a medical training of you, clear him to fight. Of course. So they basically knocked him on the head three times. They were like, yep, sounds like a cantaloupe. Get on in there.
Starting point is 00:25:58 So he gets out there. And on July 9, 2002... Goddamn cantaloupe. All right. He knows how to get the ripeness. He knows what's up. They just felt it, man. Like, it feels like an avocado.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Mostly perfect. Well, the problem was, two months earlier, they said, not quite. Right. Got to ripen up a little bit, and then they sent him out there. So July 9th 2002
Starting point is 00:26:25 he finally makes his pro debut at the Parque Naciones Unidas in Caracas Venezuela I think I said
Starting point is 00:26:32 at least one of those words at least one of them he fights Eduardo Hernandez we do not have a picture of him because he has an 0-2 career record
Starting point is 00:26:41 he doesn't do very much was this fight 1 or 2? this is his last fight. He said, that's enough of this shit. He got beat up in the first one. He's like, maybe it was a fluke. No, no, no. For sure, I suck at this.
Starting point is 00:26:52 I am not a good fighter. This is terrible. I hope my wife doesn't cheat on me because I'm fucked. Especially with one of these guys. With Valero, I think, yeah. So this is a TKO in round one pretty quick, under a minute.
Starting point is 00:27:04 That's a fast one here. Now, I found out boxing we always talk about is dangerous. This is an odd stat I found out. That horse riding. That's dangerous as fuck, by the way. Don't fuck with her. She'll kill you. Horse riding.
Starting point is 00:27:18 It's true. Horse riding is 128 times more fatalities per 100,000 participants than boxing. Sweet fuck. That makes sense, though. 128 times more. That's Christopher Reeves. Don't agree with that. That's probably true.
Starting point is 00:27:29 He's alive, though. He's alive. This is fatalities, damn it. He's not now, is my point. Is he dead? Yeah. He's been dead for...
Starting point is 00:27:36 Is Christopher Reeves dead? Yeah. All right, fuck, I don't know. Are you shitting me? How the fuck do I care if Superman died? That James didn't know.
Starting point is 00:27:43 And his wife died of lung cancer. That I knew. I didn't know what he died of, but I don't care if Superman died? That James didn't know. And his wife died of lung cancer. That I knew. I didn't know he died though. But I don't care really. The horse got him eventually.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Past Superman 2 I really lost interest in anything that had to do with Christopher Reeve. It didn't really matter. So September 23rd, 2003 he's in Caracas. He fights Danny Sandoval
Starting point is 00:27:59 who's a 2 and 8 career fighter. Yeah. And two of those losses are to Valero. Wow. Out of 10 fights he fought one dude twice. Yes. And Sando those losses are to Valero. Wow. Because he... Out of ten fights he fought one dude
Starting point is 00:28:06 twice. Yes. And Sandoval fights him twice in a row. Which I don't understand because he gets knocked
Starting point is 00:28:12 out in the first round both times. Hold on. I got to try that again. That is not a healthy reminder. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:28:20 It's like someone with terrible balance getting on a skateboard and they fall down and they're like no no one more time I can do this. No, no, I'm awful.
Starting point is 00:28:26 I can't do any of this shit. October 26th, the next month, they come fast and furious. Centro Recreacional yesterday. I don't know what that is. In Turmero, Venezuela. That's a Spanish word? You know what? Yesterday?
Starting point is 00:28:38 Yesterday, yes. It's exactly what it is. Especial yesterday. Yesterday. What the fuck? Yesterday. You say it in an accent, Jimmy. It is versus Al Rio El Moracho Rivero.
Starting point is 00:28:49 So that's a lot of O's there. There's the fucking Spanish word for yesterday, because there's one for tomorrow, right? Mañana. That's tomorrow, correct? That's tomorrow. What's yesterday? Fuck it. Yesterday, I guess.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I don't know. I just learned it's yesterday. Clearly it's yesterday, Jimmy. What do you think? Because they put it in there. Otherwise, they'd have said the Spanish one. This guy here is 3-1 coming in, 21-9-1 in his career.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Edwin, again, knocks him out in the first round. All right. So are we keeping track? He's a tough dude. First fucking round. November 18th, next month,
Starting point is 00:29:13 in Caracas, he fights Luis Soto, the ex-second baseman for the New York Yankees. Who's actually Venezuelan, so it might be him. I'm not sure. Actually, 2002,
Starting point is 00:29:22 he was on the Yankees, so I'm pretty sure it's on him. He's from Colombia also, this particular one. This guy is sure. Actually, 2002 he was on the Yankees, so I'm pretty sure it's on him. He's from Columbia also, this particular one. This guy is an 0-7 career fighter. What? Come on. Seriously.
Starting point is 00:29:31 There's so many of these guys out there where you're like, this guy was 1-30. What is he doing? Remember the one guy we had who was like, he was like 21-256? Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Why? If you worked at Papa John's and you burnt seven pizza in a row, Papa John's would be like, get the fuck out, for real. You're costing me my better pizza. He got that hit after seven. It should have been six.
Starting point is 00:29:52 It should have been two. Papa should have stepped in there a little fucking earlier and got this shit going. So this is his second to last fight. He loses in the first round here. This is his sixth loss in a row. No wins.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Gets knocked down in the first round. He goes, one more time. I'm not done yet. Fuck this. November 18, 2002. Caracas again. I'm sorry. November 30, 2002 in Caracas. He fights Julio Pineda, who was an 0-3 fighter to his last fight again.
Starting point is 00:30:19 He's just giving him a bunch of pussies. That's what it is, man. Knocks him out in the first round. Now, at this point, too, he's got a wife. He's got a nice young wife named Jennifer Carolina, or Carolina Vieira. And she says that he begins to grow angry
Starting point is 00:30:35 and edgy and sullen and just brain damaged. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very brain damaged. You know. That's exactly what I...
Starting point is 00:30:44 He's just staring at a wall and he's like, he's so angry. No, he's not. He can't fucking... He doesn't know where he is. He's just staring at a wall and he's so angry. No, he's not. He doesn't know where he is. That's what it is. He's sullen. He's not angry at all. He just pissed his pants.
Starting point is 00:30:52 That's not sullen. He's very confused. He's more like it. Very confused. So he says that a reporter says that his wife, he quote,
Starting point is 00:31:02 I never saw her smile. She looks like she's being held fucking hostage half the time. I'm dead serious. That's not her. That's not his wife right there. Okay. But he's, it's literally,
Starting point is 00:31:15 it's literally like they're, like he's holding her hostage all the time, this person here. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing!
Starting point is 00:31:31 The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother.
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Starting point is 00:32:14 You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Taylor Swift is soaring high. Her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans. She's broken billboard records and made Grammys history, not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process. But along the way, Taylor has had to wage war,
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Starting point is 00:33:11 july 19th 2003 at the activity center in maywood california holy shit his first u.s fight look at that the first america the first america He's an American. The real one. The one that, I don't know. The real one, he says. Is it the real one? I think there's a lot, but that's all right. We'll fuck him. I'll give you that.
Starting point is 00:33:34 It's the real America here. But he's going, it's California, so they wouldn't call it, so I was going to play, other people wouldn't call that the real America. Right. Everything's named after Spanish people or Spanish things there anyway.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Exactly. This is Maywood, California. It's the first fight in the U.S. He fights Emmanuel Ford. call that the real right everything's named after spanish people or in spanish things anyway exactly uh this is maywood california it's the first fight in the u.s he fights emmanuel ford who is an american punching bag who is 6 27 3 lifetime that is fucking terrible that is terrible 6 27 and then there was a couple of draws hey what the fuck we're not he says uh this is a round one knockout obviously and uh he says about this whole round one knockout obviously and he says about this whole thing his boxing how he is
Starting point is 00:34:07 let's find out from Edwin what he thinks about himself and what he's doing here in their own words quote yay
Starting point is 00:34:14 hey I don't know how to relax even when I am home with my kids on Sunday I have to be moving all the time am home with my kids on Sunday, I have to be moving all the time. I play with them in the pool or walk my dogs up and down the street.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Just picture him coked out walking his dog. It's like there is something inside me that I have to unleash on someone. Perhaps it's anger, hatred. I feel I've been denied a childhood. I fear no one. I like to hit men. It liberates me. Okay. At least he didn't say,
Starting point is 00:34:49 I like to hit women. It liberates me. That's a good point. But he does like to hit women and it liberates him. We'll find out that later on. Yeah, he does. I just saw like a drunk college girl speaking,
Starting point is 00:34:58 I like to hit men. That's what I like to do. No, it's not. It's an angry little Incan man, actually, as a matter of fact. He ends up... I have to keep moving. Otherwise, I'll just piss everywhere.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Yeah, I don't know. That's the other thing. He doesn't say he knows where he's going. He just goes up and down the street. I don't know. I lost my fucking house. That's why. I forgot where I live.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Luckily, the dog remembers and takes me there. So, yeah. Oh, man. remembers it. That's amazing. This is great. You people are fucking awesome. This is your shit. He's trying to master his childhood. This is some psychological shit.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Now, after the fact. After the fact. We're going to fix it now. You're going to bring dad back? No, no, no. He's trying to master it. You're pissed off just watching mom? He's trying to master it like why people that get molested molest people sometimes.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Like some weird mastery thing. He goes and he buys the house he was born in, which is a complete run-down shithole that he's not going to live in. He just buys it to say, yeah, I can fucking own that now. Because, I don't know. Because it doesn't define who I am. I can live in the shithole now. No, he's not going to live in it. He just bought it to say, I own that place. Yeah, like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:36:16 take a piece of his childhood back. I have no idea what the hell he's doing here. That sounds terrible. Brain damage, once again. I'm going to say a lot of things fucking brain damage. I mean, from between the accident and the blows. He hasn't taken a lot of blows to the head yet because he's... Because he's winning the first round. Nobody hits him. He's just coming in blowing people up.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Apart from cars. Well, that's a problem. He loses the battle again. He's 0-1 against cars. 0-1. 0-1. Terrible, terrible. So, August 28, 2003.
Starting point is 00:36:43 He's at the Marriott Hotel In Irvine, California Now I know where this fucking is Because I've actually looked to stay there once We ended up staying at the La Quinta or some horse shit like that I don't know where the fuck they're going to have boxing Here in Irvine or Marriott It's not in that industrial area?
Starting point is 00:36:57 Yeah, it's over in the industrial area If you guys don't know where that is, watch the YouTube video of the Taco Bell deuce Beating the shit out of the Uber driver That's exactly what we're talking about. It's a very strange place to box. Not sure. He fights Roque. Roque or Roque?
Starting point is 00:37:12 Yeah, sure. Yeah, Roque. How would you pronounce it, Jimmy? I don't know. There you go. I don't think that's what it is. Cassiani, who is a 22, 20, and 3 career fighter. This is a journeyman here.
Starting point is 00:37:25 This is just to see. But he wins. He wins some. Yeah, he wins some. He loses some. He's a journeyman. Total definition of it. This is a first round knockout
Starting point is 00:37:32 in a first round of eight rounds. Guy with a day job, for sure. At 2 minutes and 21 seconds. So he is knocking the shit out of everyone he can find. I love that. Watching his fights, it's so much fun.
Starting point is 00:37:45 Like if you ever can, I've said this a million times, but go on YouTube and watch the first 20 Mike Tyson fights. It'll take you like three and a half minutes and it'll show up.
Starting point is 00:37:51 It's amazing. Including intro. It's amazing. He comes out. Including the rape and everything. No time at all. One of the fights
Starting point is 00:37:58 is Robin Givens actually. She falls down. There's divorce proceedings. He gives her $8 million and then he knocks out another guy. It's brilliant. It's a really weird He gives her $8 million. And then he knocks out another guy. It's brilliant. It's a really weird video.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Super strange. I pray to Christ he doesn't listen to this. It's his first loss. It's his first loss there. Oh, he's going to kill us. Yeah. How dare you two say that shit about me? Can you imagine?
Starting point is 00:38:18 The funny part is the only person to ever get mad is a NASCAR driver's wife. Unreal. We have had literally brain-damaged psychopaths on serious methamphetamines and everything else, and they're like, I don't give a fuck. This lady's like, no,
Starting point is 00:38:37 I don't think so. Somebody tweeted this shit at J.R. Ryder and begged him to say something. He's like, eh, fuck him. Riddick Bowe just tried to sell us a camera and I decided... Bowe's like, you want to play
Starting point is 00:38:48 fantasy football with me? I dare you. Jimmy thought he was trying to fuck with us. Jimmy thought he was like, hey, I'm going to kill you and he was just trying to sell us things.
Starting point is 00:38:54 His message to me was, are you ready to go down? I'm going to beat you up or some shit like that. And I was like, oh, fuck, dude. Riddick heard what we said. Yeah, he's going to kill us both.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Yeah. And then he was like, sign up for fantasy football. And I'm like, that's not the same thing at all. And then we call a meth head a meth head. And then some trailer park princess is like, I dare y'all to say that shit to my face. Not even I dare y'all to say that shit to my face.
Starting point is 00:39:20 She's like, give me y'all's number. I'm going to call you. She said that. Is it true? Yeah. I lived it. I know. The media made him fail three meth tests in one week. That fucking media.
Starting point is 00:39:32 I know the media is a little rough, but I mean, three meth tests in a week. That's a lot. Just sprinkling meth everywhere. By the way, look out for that. That's not over yet, by the way. I'm calling that one. For sure. October 27th.
Starting point is 00:39:44 We'll break that marriage up in a minute. Oh, it's going to... No, you can't... No., by the way. I'm calling that one. For sure. October 27th. We'll break that marriage up in a minute. Oh, it's going to... No, you can't... No. Meth, the cops, having a yard sale for all of your worldly possessions. None of this drove this fucking lady away.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Do you think that you can do it? I don't think so. NASCAR, the police, district attorneys. I don't know. I think the FBI was involved. Who knows? October 27th, 2003,
Starting point is 00:40:04 in the... They sold their saw blades. That's what they sold. $15 for a circular saw. Down to the saw blades. It was $15. Sold. Didn't walk.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Right. At the... Oh, man. Oh, that's Gymnasio. It just spelled really fucked up. Gymnasio. Jose Baracasa in Caracas, Venezuela. I assume that is the gym of Jose. Jose Baracasa in Caracas, Venezuela. I assume that is the Jim of Jose.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Jose Barracasa. Barracasa's Jim. Barracasa's Jim. What the fuck? Wow, I'm worse than you at this. This is fucking terrible. Alejandro Heredia he fights. He's a 9, 12, and 4 lifetime fighter.
Starting point is 00:40:39 Listen, it would have taken me an hour and a half just to get through the fucking names in this thing. So you're doing fine. We get a thing once in a while where people are like, why didn't you guys switch for an episode? He can't. He's fucking illiterate. You know how long that would take?
Starting point is 00:40:51 You know how much fucking editing I would be doing? Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? Jesus Christ. He has to switch roles. And I'm like, fuck. No, don't tell him that shit. Don't tell him that at all.
Starting point is 00:41:03 I'm like, hey, go ahead. Look all this shit up. Enjoy. Have fun. This is so much easier. It's perfect. Wouldn't have it any other way. So Alejandro Heredia is 9, 12, and 4.
Starting point is 00:41:18 So he's really fighting the cream of the crop here, I've got to say. Knocks him out. Big surprise. First round. But supposedly a scheduled 10-round fight. So they're trying to drive him up a little bit. December 18, 2003. He's back at the Marriott in Irvine.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Oh, baby. The Garden Center of America. Fighting. Fighting. This is my favorite nickname of all time. Thomas El Chocolito. Which I expect to be called from now on by everyone in attendance. He's Z Zambrano.
Starting point is 00:41:46 I have my fingers crossed for the train. That would have been the shit. Thomas the Train, my fucking child loved that guy. El Chocolatito, which is, not even Chocolito, Chocolotito. Tito. Tito, which is great. Sounds like a made-up Spanish word.
Starting point is 00:41:59 So, Tomas Zambrano from Mexico here knocks him out in a minute 45 seconds. So this is just, I mean, he is pummeling people. And this fight, because it's in the States, gains the attention of Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions. So now try to get some money going. Get him on TV. Let's see what we do. He's set to fight in New York on December 18, 2003.
Starting point is 00:42:17 I believe it's a Madison Square Garden fight. Unbelievable. On a big card, you know, an undercard of a pay-per-view fight. Sure. Big shit. He's going to make six figures. You could buy half of Venezuela before he's going to make for one of these fucking fights. He could have bought the whole neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:42:30 He's going to buy his whole barrio. Everything. And all the cocaine and everything. All the marbles, everything. All the motorcycles. He can get all the helmets now. He's learned his lesson. So he's getting ready to fight.
Starting point is 00:42:42 They have to do, you know, they do fighter checks. They do MRIs to make sure that your brain is there and working that there's one in there I doubt that there's much more to it than that apparently you can't have a small blood clot in your brain because that's what it revealed that he had which is a result of the motorcycle accident
Starting point is 00:42:57 and like I said, the Venezuelan doctors had as much training as you and didn't catch that so he can't fight at that point. The New York State Athletic Commission places him on the indefinite suspension list.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And the way it goes is basically if the New York State Athletic Commission suspends you or the Nevada State Commission, those are the two big ones, no one will give you a license.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Those are the two big bodies. They have all the fights. MSG and Vegas are where the fights happen. So nobody in the U.S. will give him a license to box. So he's fucked and he's got to go back to venezuela and buenos aires argentina and he becomes a world traveler now too he ends up back in america at some point though we'll find out what everybody
Starting point is 00:43:34 right now venture a guess what state would be the one state that would give him a license florida a lot of votes for florida You're wrong. It's not Florida. I guess Alabama. No. No, no. Louisiana? You're all forgetting. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Right there. Texas. You got it. You know it. They're like, who gives a fuck if you got a blood clot? I don't give a shit. Fuck do I care?
Starting point is 00:43:58 I got shot in the leg last week going out in box two. I don't give a shit what the hell happens there. People don't give a fuck down there. My grandma got a blood clot. She's fine. She fought last week? She beat the shit happens there. People don't give a fuck down there. My grandma got a blood clot. She's fine.
Starting point is 00:44:05 She fought last week. She beat the shit out of my arm. She knocked the fuck out of her. Not in a ring or nothing, but it's all right. It was still pretty exciting to watch. She marked the fucking turkey. She deserved it. We did put it on public access around here, though, and everybody liked it.
Starting point is 00:44:22 There's other doctors, though, that have differing opinions that say that he's at no greater risk than anybody else. I would think a blood clot in your brain getting punched in that is probably good. I'm not a doctor by any means, as you might have guessed by now. But that seems like that's bad, I would say. He says that he was fit. Valero says, I'm fine. I'm good now. I'm fine.
Starting point is 00:44:42 He says, quote, there's a lot of politics involved in the decision, basically, is what he's saying. What? A lot of politics. How is there politics involved in whether or not you're going to fucking die? Well, he says it's not fair. They let Marco Antonio Barrera, who had metal plates in his head, fight in 19... I don't know. That's an advantage.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Well, no, no. They're in blood vessels. He had weird blood vessels that they had to put little metal things in. And they let him fight. So he's like, if this guy can fucking fight with a bionic blood vessel head, I should be able to fight too. Put the shit here. But your blood doesn't flow. His flow is great now.
Starting point is 00:45:15 That's not good. It's super fast. It's going super fast. And yours is just fucking stopping. He's an advantage. He says that, quote, many different specialists have checked me. And he says he's fine. He believes, politics here, he believes that his support of Hugo Chavez meant that the powerful people in America were against him.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Okay. Which, yeah. Yeah. Probably also. But still, I don't think the boxing people give a shit. As long as you're willing to step in and get punched in the face, I don't think they give a fuck who you support. Michael Popper is still excited to say your stupid name. Doesn't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:45:45 He's still excited to get overpaid for what Doesn't give a shit. He's still excited to get overpaid for what he does. No one is more overpaid than that idiot. Jesus Christ. His brother's like the lowest one. His brother's even worse.
Starting point is 00:45:53 His brother's like Gallagher too. He's the Buck Gallagher's accent. That's what he is. I'm going to hit a watermelon also. That's what he is. Let's get ready to rumble. That's a hundred grand.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Fuck you. Jesus Christ almighty. That's the life right there. Jimmy, that's your fantasy. Man buns singing, let's get ready to rumble. 100 grand every time. Boom. Done.
Starting point is 00:46:12 I just want to make 100 grand to say yay. That's where I'm at. And you did it. So May 21st, 2005, he's in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Not exactly Vegas for the fight game here. He fights Hernan Abraham El Chino Valenzuela. Fuck, yes. Is he named after his country?
Starting point is 00:46:34 Valenzuela. Right. Not Venezuela. I'm an idiot. Right. Sorry, guys. We haven't worked with consonants yet. We're working on that.
Starting point is 00:46:52 I got them to do all the vowels, but the consonants, they'll get there next time. I promise you. By episode 200. I got to do vowels and consonants and another fucking language. This is bullshit. Shit, this is brutal.
Starting point is 00:47:02 God damn it. I'm sorry. Shit, this is brutal. God damn it. How stupid. The poorly named Valenzuela here is an 11 and 13 career fighter. Want to guess what happened? I'm so lost at this moment.
Starting point is 00:47:22 TKO round one. Two minutes, ten seconds it takes. I'm trying to wrap my head around how fucking stupid I am. And I have children I'm raising. That's so embarrassing. Two of them, too. Yeah, yeah, that was plural. Children.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Not just one. One you could just put in the closet or something. They take care of me. That's what I'm telling you. Right. Jesus, you're going to need that. Like adopting a dog. They rescued me.
Starting point is 00:47:44 They rescued me. They rescued me. So, July 1st, 2005, at the Roberto Duran Arena. Okay. Panama City, Panama. He fights Esteban de Jesus Morales. Oh. That is the most Spanish name I've ever heard in my fucking life. And I bet he dances his ass off.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Maybe. He's 27-1-2 career, so that's not too bad. He gets his ass kicked in a minute 15. Minute 15 seconds, Edwin has him on his ass. Unbelievable. Just not knowing where he is and drooling. Edwin is a bad son of a bitch, as you might be able to tell here. Next, August 13, 2005.
Starting point is 00:48:17 As you notice, these fights are coming fast and furious once a month. Blood clot be damned. He doesn't give a shit. This is at the Circulo Militar in Maraca, Venezuela. It's versus Jose, Jesus Christ. Polija. No, that's Jesus Cristo.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Something like that. I wish it was. Hernandez, who is a one in six career fighter. And this is his last fight because he's beaten in 41 seconds. Amazing. And this guy tried to get away from him too that was the thing like he didn't want to engage and it was as soon as valero caught him he literally fight with my wife he's like get over here you're a fucking son of a
Starting point is 00:48:54 bitch yeah done you're that's your wife picking your ass though yeah for sure no no i don't hit my wife no she would beat you just yeah based on... So anyway. Hi, Lisa. How you doing? She's up in the balcony somewhere. So at this point, he realizes that he's not getting back in the States anytime soon. And he's having a hard time. So he goes back
Starting point is 00:49:18 to Venezuela to live for a while. And then he ends up moving to Japan. Perfect. Where all Venezuelans go. And he's huge there. Oh. He's a monster. They must have really been... Five, six, they're swinging up at him.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Yeah, yeah. Every one of them. He felt like a big man. Yeah. I'm a big man. September 25th, 2005. He's standing above everyone in Yokohama Arena in Yokohama, Japan.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Fuck yes. He fights Hiro Bando, a Japanese guy He's standing above everyone in Yokohama Arena in Yokohama, Japan. Fuck, yes. He fights Hiro Bando, a Japanese guy, who is 22, 11, and 7. Okay. This is a first-round TKO at 156. So you're starting to sense a pattern here. Yeah. He has not gone past the first round yet. All first-round knockouts.
Starting point is 00:49:59 And all knockouts, too, which is pretty goddamn impressive. December 5th, 2005, at the... Jesus Christ oh fuck now I'm going to French it went oh I
Starting point is 00:50:09 no well it went from Spanish to French I'm like I think you I don't pronounce the L fuck yes I do shit the Palais Omnisports
Starting point is 00:50:17 in Paris France see what I mean there's languages the Omnisports Palace versus Aram Rama Ramazan from Armenia
Starting point is 00:50:24 okay so he's getting a world tour here Aram Ramazan from Armenia. Okay. So he's getting a world tour here. 14-6-2 from this guy's career. This is a 20-second fight. Wow. Pretty much, again, they tap their gloves together, they move their heads from side to side, and this guy falls down and the fight's over.
Starting point is 00:50:41 That's the best fucking fight, though. They're so much fun. And then he goes back to them. That's why Tyson was so great. That was so much fun. Everybody loved him, because you want to well. That's why Tyson was so great. That was so much fun. Everybody loved him because you want to see somebody get the living shit beat out of him
Starting point is 00:50:48 in no time flat. That's a really weird one, isn't it? They're like, I want to see somebody lose consciousness here. I want to see CTE cause. Strategically though.
Starting point is 00:50:58 It is. Such a man. It's so weird. I can't watch like a street fight. No, no, no. I can't watch that shit. But a boxing match, I'm like, yeah, because he volunteered for that.
Starting point is 00:51:06 He's getting paid for that. He signed up for it, and when he goes down wobbly, it's funny. Well, they'll take him to the hospital after that, and someone else will pay for his brain scan. And also, too, there's strategy in between matching those two up. Like on the street, a giant fucking guy just beats the fuck out of a little guy. And people watch that shit on YouTube. They're like, watch this. I'm like, no, that's murder. That's not good.
Starting point is 00:51:28 February 25th, 2006. Centro Recreacional. Yesterday, again, same place. In Tumero, Venezuela, versus Wyber Garcia from Panama. 22-11 fighter. This fight almost goes
Starting point is 00:51:43 to the end of the first round. Almost. It goes 2 minutes, 57 end of the first round. Almost. It goes two minutes, 57 seconds, but he knocks him out. Okay. He ends up knocking him out. He wins the WBA super featherweight title in this, so good for him. By doing this... That's the other thing that never happens in that division.
Starting point is 00:51:57 You don't get to see people get knocked out that fast in that division. By doing this, he sets a new world record by winning his first 18 fights as a professional by first round knockout. Wow. All first round knockout. He broke a guy named Arthur. See, I was right. Arthur Suskind's record. That's not him.
Starting point is 00:52:12 No. Where is he? I lost Arthur Suskind. He's back here somewhere. He breaks. No, that's the other guy. Was it his wife? He breaks Oscar Suskind's record.
Starting point is 00:52:20 That's not Oscar. What's Arthur Suskind? Because he's from like 1905. Jesus. Of course you don't. He's like bare-fisted and shit. No, there's a picture of him. I have it somewhere, but I don't.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Whatever. So his, Arthur Suskind, by the way, his nickname, fucking dick names are terrible. Young Otto. Young Otto. Old Otto. That's what I mean. Again, Italians are needed here.
Starting point is 00:52:42 We need Italians to nickname people because Because that's what they basically... Well, there's already an old Otto. So, you know. Of course, he's three years younger than you. But his name's Arthur. Yeah, Otto. Oh, Otto's short for that. Is it?
Starting point is 00:52:52 Yes. It's probably a German thing. I don't know. The record has since been broken by Tyrone Brunson. This guy. There we go. Most people don't acknowledge it because he has fought even worse tomato cans than Valero. So most people... He also, in addition to boxing,
Starting point is 00:53:08 he's done that. That's not the same guy. That's Tyrone Brunson. Look at him. Look at that shit right there. That's a high and tight right there, but it's like a loose jerry curl at the same time. He's Carlton if he fought.
Starting point is 00:53:24 That's amazing. Look down the right side. Love Triangle is the name of it. Is that an album? That's an album cover right there. Look at that shit. Is he a jazz musician? Is that what that is?
Starting point is 00:53:33 Triangles of Me. What the fuck? Triangles of Me, Love Triangle. That's you three times. Do you fuck yourself three times? How do you get a love triangle out of that? Shit, Tyrone. Fuck, man.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Tyrone's got it going on. He just makes a triangle with his knees while he tugs. So paranoid you get a love triangle out of that? Shit, Tyrone. Fuck, man. Tyrone's got it going on. He just makes a triangle with his knees while he tugs. Such a love triangle. Such a love triangle. So he does that. Only one... I'm going to do that in my hotel room. Totally going to do that.
Starting point is 00:53:58 You should do that. Let me know how it goes. You are going to do that. If you ever stay in the Palomar, I may have done that in the bathtub. So be careful. Don't stay at the Palomar. Just say that. Sorry, Palomar.
Starting point is 00:54:10 I'm not sorry, Palomar. Take a quick break for our sponsor this week, the Palomar Hotel. Can you imagine? They have surprisingly comfortable bathtubs. They do. So March 25th, 2006. He's at the World Memorial Hall in Kobe, Japan. They let someone else name that.
Starting point is 00:54:31 They let an American guy name that. He's fighting Gennaro... Oh, God. Transankos. Fuck yeah. Shit. Of Mexico. A Mexican and a Venezuelan are fighting in an American-named arena in Japan. This is fucked up.
Starting point is 00:54:42 This is very confusing. He's from New York. He's a Mexican. From Mexico. The 22-16 in one career. That sounded harsh. He's a Mexican. He's from Mexico.
Starting point is 00:54:52 That's all. He's Venezuelan. He's Mexican. But it sounded very harsh. He's Mexican. Fucking deer leaves. That one is brutal. That's not really mean.
Starting point is 00:55:00 He fights him. This fight goes to the second round. Holy shit. The first time out of the first round. It's a TKO at 148 out of this. I don't want to do that. There we go. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:55:13 There we go. Okay. TKO at 148. And we have their in their own words about this. Oh, boy. In their own words, quote. After I finally went into the second round It was kind of a relief after knocking out all those guys
Starting point is 00:55:28 In the first round I swear for the first 30 seconds Whatever strategy those guys have are out the window The moment I feel a guy's hurt I'm going to take him out Very Mike Tyson-esque You'd see that with Tyson Guys would come out and be like yeah alright
Starting point is 00:55:42 And then the second Tyson would swing and miss one time, they'd just be like, oh, Jesus. They're into a fucking mess. They're like, that could have hit me. Calm down. All technique out the window. Gone, man. Gone. So, yeah, he says that.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Now, he fights August 5, 2006 at the Fagali Convention Center in Panama City, Panama. He fights Vincent El Loco Mascaro. Fantastic. Yeah, not bad. That's a good name for a boxer, right? That sounds tough, too. His last name is Mascaro, though? Mascaro. He's a 33, 3-1 career fighter.
Starting point is 00:56:15 He only had one loss coming into this fight. This is a battle. This is a world-class fighter. This isn't a journeyman. This isn't some 0-6 tomato game here. This is the real deal. He fights this guy. Valero's knocked down in the third round. He gets right back up. It just pissed him off, pretty much. It just pissed him off.
Starting point is 00:56:31 He comes back, ends up winning a TKO in round 10 of 12. So that's some perseverance there. You can get knocked down, come back, because he's not used to going past one or two rounds. I give him a lot of credit, and he's a damn good fighter for that. And there he is with a belt after that. Wins the WBA super featherweight title.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Look at that guy. By the way. That is the face of brain damage. By the way. That is fucking incredible. Is there drool on his lip? That's amazing. By the way, everybody look.
Starting point is 00:56:59 I can't say my name. All right, fuck it. Never mind. Moving on. Jesus Christ, so. Not like I set this shit up
Starting point is 00:57:16 or anything. Not like I'm fucking covered in set up. Fucking Christ. Shut up, how's that? I'm just kidding.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Holy Christ. I just wanted to make you uncomfortable i don't really care but check out uh to the right side of the picture you see that guy over the shoulder that is the silverest of the silver-haired that is bob arum right there is that him that's bob arum we're gonna we're gonna hear lots from him he's a complete dick and he loves he loves Valero based on his circumstances, and then not anymore. We'll find out. So his wife, Jennifer, again, she says, the press guy said, even after he won the title, I never saw her smile. So right back to that. He said that Valero had her pretty much under lock and key.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Said he had major jealousy issues. So, yeah, he's, I mean, this poor woman, Jesus Christ. I can't imagine what it's like to... Look at that. That's Hugo Chavez right there. He's making the devil horns? That's not good. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:58:14 He's a jokester. I am bad guy. He's a jokester, that Hugo Chavez, you know? Venezuelan dictators, always jokesters here. January 3rd, 2007. An Arake Coliseum in Tokyo, Japan. He fights Michael Lozada.
Starting point is 00:58:29 He's Mexican again. He is 35, 10, and 1. It is a TKO round one, one minute, 12 seconds. So quick again, knocking people out. May 3rd, 2007. Same arena in Japan.
Starting point is 00:58:40 I'm not going to pronounce it again poorly. He fights Nobuhito Hanmo of Japan. His nickname is Powerful Hanmo. I feel like that's arena in japan i'm not going to pronounce it again poorly he fights uh nobuhito hanmo of japan his nickname is powerful hanmo i feel like that's definitely a translation it sounds way cooler in japanese like powerful hanmo doesn't know like it's like what they'd name a buffet yeah powerful buffet powerful spare rib buffet sounds like a lawnmower. Yeah. Powerful lawnmower. Buy one. Buy a powerful lawnmower. But it's like small and compact.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Yeah, it's a little tiny one. You can use it one-handed. Yeah. He's a 29-5-2 fighter. So another, this guy's no joke here. He's fought a couple of our guys that we've talked about before. This is a TKO. Edwin wins in round 8 of 12 at 154.
Starting point is 00:59:21 So he is killing it right now. After it, I bring up Hugo Chavez here, because afterwards, for some reason, he's in the ring being very happy and waving around a Chavezito, or a little Chavez doll. Oh, it's one of him? Yes, one of him.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Making those horns? That's the most festive look I could find. The most where he looks like a doll, or he looks like he's actually a fun guy. Because all the other ones, he's like angry and pointing. He's a fucking dictator. What do you want? So, you know, there's that. So he looks like he's actually a fun guy because all the other ones he's like angry and pointing yeah he's a fucking dictator what do you want so you know there's that so uh yeah he's holding that up and everyone's very confused because it's japan you know like what is he fucking doing they don't even know who he is yeah no less why this guy's doing
Starting point is 00:59:55 it now september 2007 uh 2007 uh he has some problems uh police are called they're called for a situation at his house. It's not really domestic violence, but basically he's just going batshit at his mother's house, like tearing the house up and ripping roof tiles off of it and shit. They're like, what the fuck is this guy doing? I love it. So they kind of just like he needs something. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:18 I don't know in Venezuela the exact legal procedure this goes, but he ends up appearing before a judge and declaring himself an alcoholic. Yeah, yeah. We assumed that. We need that in this game. You were tearing roof tiles off the trailer. I don't know if that's true. I assume. I can only assume. And for being an alcoholic, he's sentenced
Starting point is 01:00:38 to six months of rehabilitation in a psychiatric ward. Yeah, not drinking there. Why was he in front of the judge, though? That's what I'm wondering. I have no idea how this works. He apparently...
Starting point is 01:00:49 You're arrested for domestic disturbance. No, sir, I'm an alcoholic. Six months rehab. That's it. That's what? Which sort of makes sense. Is that how it works?
Starting point is 01:00:56 And then also, a blood test detected cocaine in his system also. He is always on cocaine. Fantastic. Just assume whatever he's doing, it's cocaine.
Starting point is 01:01:03 My man. Just always, always. Without a doubt. So, December he's doing, it's cocaine. My man. Just always, always. Without a doubt. So December 15, 2007. Six months, he doesn't last because he's fighting again by then. He's in Plaza de Toros in Cancun, Mexico. And we have an In Their Own Words about this here. Has a little cockiness about fighting this guy here.
Starting point is 01:01:20 In Cancun? In Cancun, yeah. This is great. It's nice. I don't know if I'm going to write it. There we go. In Theircun, yeah. This is great. It's nice. I don't know if I'm going to run. There we go. In their own words, quote, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Zabalita has 11 knockouts and 16 wins. I have 22 knockouts and 22 wins. I always go for the knockout. The crowd loves knockouts. It's like in baseball when a guy hits a home run
Starting point is 01:01:39 or in soccer when a guy scores a goal. The knockout is like that. I just hope he's not the little stone I trip over. I will one day return to the United States. My dream is to fight a big name fighter in Las Vegas. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:50 So that's what he wants. He wants Vegas. Is his blood clot fixed yet? No. No, that's swimming around in there. He's fine. Don't worry about that. He's fine, Jimmy.
Starting point is 01:02:00 He's good now. What are we doing here? Christ almighty. I have this many wins. You can't just say number, number, and we fucking put it together in our own head? No. Because we watch boxing. I have this, goddammit.
Starting point is 01:02:12 No, he wants to make it clear. Okay. That's what he means, like talking shit. This is like Venezuelan shit talking. I don't know how that works either. He fights Zaid, the exterminator Zavaleta. This guy has both ZZ initials, which is pretty fucking cool. And he didn't go with ZZ Tom.
Starting point is 01:02:25 No. He's from Mexico, a 20, 8, and 2 fighter. So 20 wins, 8 losses, 2 draws. This is a TKO in the third round at 118. So Edwin kicks his ass also. After this, Hugo Chavez is so thrilled with him that he brings him on his TV show, which is great. Hugo Chavez had a TV show? He has a TV show. He brings him on there.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Trump had one, too. That makes sense. He's actually sitting. It's like the president's corner, though. It's like... While he's in office... Fuck yeah! What? It's a fucking dictatorship. That's unbelievable. I want to be fucking a dictator. But to show how much...
Starting point is 01:03:01 He actually, at this point, gets a giant tattoo of Hugo Chavez on his chest. He gets a tattoo. Fuck yes. You can barely see it. That is a chest... That is the Venezuelan flag. That is the Venezuelan flag with Hugo Chavez on it.
Starting point is 01:03:17 And Venezuela de Veridad, which is true Venezuela above it. So he is fucking Venezuelan through and through. June 12, 2008 at the Nippon Budokan in Tokyo, Japan. He fights Takahiro Shimada. And it's a 27-6-1 fighter. He wins by TKO and 155, Edwin does. So he's moving right the fuck along. So quickly that by December 2008, he wants to fight Manny Pacquiao.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Oh, that's not smart. He wants to fight Manny Pacquiao. That's not's not smart. He wants to fight Manny Pacquiao. That's not a good idea. Money fight. Who the fuck do you think he is? Conor McGregor? Yeah, exactly. No shit.
Starting point is 01:03:52 It's the only guy with more brain damage, probably. We have his head trainer, Valero's head trainer, says, quote, We're having a hell of a hard time finding guys to work with him. He's knocked out guys during sparring sessions, and that's with 16-ounce gloves, headgear, and holding him back some. Holy shit. He's a fucking animal. He's just fueled by rage and coke and brain damage and blood clots and roof tiles and motorcycles. Monte Carlo, all kinds of shit.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Yeah, it's a goddamn mess. So he relinquishes his featherweight title to move up to lightweight because he wants to go fight Pacquiao. Now, in March 2009, Valero is granted a license in the only state in America that would possibly have him,
Starting point is 01:04:32 which is Texas. Like I said, he didn't even... Technically, he didn't even have to have a head to fight in Texas. They were fine.
Starting point is 01:04:41 He could have just walked in there with shoulders. They would have been like, good enough. It's fine. How you gonna beat him? You can't knock him out.
Starting point is 01:04:48 You can't hit him in the head. All right. He had to submit to a battery of tests, which in Texas was the cantaloupe test once again. It's the same one.
Starting point is 01:04:58 You all right in there, son? All right. Can you hear that? Yeah. Is it sound? Okay, good. In Texas, the battery of tests
Starting point is 01:05:04 is taking a nine-volt battery and putting it on your tongue. Yep, still working. Do you feel that? You, good. In Texas, the battery of tests is taking a 9-volt battery and putting it on your tongue. Do you feel that? Get in there, boss. He's alive. All right. Oh, my God. Valero says that he's very pleased that Texas has approved his license.
Starting point is 01:05:20 He says, I am back. I will deliver my best performance ever when I fight in Texas. Thank you to all the officials. He said he wants this opportunity because it's not going to count later on. He said he wants to do this. He wants the chance now, not when he's 30 and he's too old to do this. Cool. Too, you know, whatever, old.
Starting point is 01:05:35 30's old. Jesus Christ. I guess to get punched in the head a lot is pretty fucking old. For sure. So April 4th, 2009 at the Frank Irwin Center. God damn it, where dreams come true. Austin, Texas. Frank Irwin Center. God damn it, where dreams come true. Austin, Texas. Frank Irwin Center.
Starting point is 01:05:48 It's like at a middle school. You know it is, man. He fights here. Before the fight, Bob Arum is in there. That's Pacquiao. There's Bob Arum. Look at that asshole. You know how much money he's just actually extracted right from people's pockets?
Starting point is 01:06:03 Fuck. Holy shit. I know guys that are boxers. I've gone gone to, like, in South Phoenix, there's a boxing gym. Yeah. It's a very famous one. Yeah. And if you just bring up the word Bob Arum, it's an hour and a half.
Starting point is 01:06:14 I love it. In half Spanish, half English. He doesn't even have language modulation when he talks about Bob Arum. That son of a bitch robbed me. That son of a bitch. I'll kill him. Right, right. He said, I'll cut his fucking throat.
Starting point is 01:06:25 I'm like, Jesus Christ, holy shit. So this guy's a scumbag here. That guy doesn't look very mean, right? He looks like your grandpa. Pure scum. Only he'll touch a little girl. Appropriately, for sure. Look at his face.
Starting point is 01:06:36 And he won't leave you a fucking dime when he dies either. He's taking it all right to the grave, man. Bob Arum says, now this is just now is what he says. He says, quote, I believe in Edwin Valero. You have seen tonight as something really special, something out of the ordinary. You've seen the emergence
Starting point is 01:06:51 of a star. And what you saw was him beat Antonio Pitalua, who was this guy. That is some hair on there, Blake. That is some,
Starting point is 01:06:59 that's some like 85 Bronx hair right there. That's like breaking two. Spanish guys. I think Shabba Doo had that haircut, I'm pretty sure. Spanish guys are handsome, but stop with that bullshit mustache. That's not even a mustache.
Starting point is 01:07:10 What is that? You look like a catfish, you dipshit. He does. He does. That's a good point. You're an asshole. That's a really good fucking point. Fucking enjoy your great skin.
Starting point is 01:07:20 Shave your fucking face. He seems to be a Colombian thing. He's Colombian. That's like a Colombian style, I feel like, right there. He's 53-71, Pitilua. He gets a TKO, Valero does, in round two of 12 at 49 seconds. He wins the WBC lightweight title. Really?
Starting point is 01:07:37 Everybody, this is Grace. My favorite part. This is Grace right here, guys. 100 fucking percent. This is great. Yeah. 100 fucking percent. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Now, afterwards, we'll find out we had some issues here, but Bob Arum isn't quite as excited with him anymore. After May of 2009, this is immediately after the fight, pretty much, he is arrested for DUI and illegal weapon possession in Texas. Yeah. On a motorcycle? No. This is in a car, luckily. He still was wearing a helmet, which is very strange. Had a watermelon on his head. What are you doing?
Starting point is 01:08:10 He says, Valero says that his tattoo was the reason he was denied a visa to re-enter after this arrest. Why is your shirt off when you're across the border? That's what I'm saying. What are you doing? Who's examining that? What are you doing? He says that it's also probably the reason that he was charged with driving under the influence in Texas.
Starting point is 01:08:26 Does he ever have a shirt on? No, he has no shirt on. Everybody knows that he supports a communist dictator, and they're going to oppress him accordingly. Give him DUIs and everything else. This is when he appears on the Hello President TV program, which is great. After this, Bob Arum acts like he never met the guy before. He says, quote, they ask him, what was he like when we were around him when he was in Texas? Remember when he said how great he was?
Starting point is 01:08:50 We've seen something special. Now he says, quote, he was totally erratic. He was kind of a nice guy, but he could go off at any time. He wasn't normal. He can't make me any money anymore, so fuck him. He's not normal, and nobody else book him, too, because I don't want to make any new money because I should be making money. Scumbag.
Starting point is 01:09:06 But now he starts to act weird too. He's supposed to fight on a Latin Fury 11 card. He's supposed to get a six figure payday here and he backs out because Edwin doesn't feel like he's being paid enough for it. This is some brain damage post-Grace shit right here. Has he gotten like big pay
Starting point is 01:09:22 since? No, but he thinks I've knocked everybody out. Nobody's beat me. I'm beating everybody you put in front of me. I should get a big pay since? No, but he thinks I've knocked everybody out. Nobody's beat me. I'm beating everybody you put in front of me. I should get a big payday. But no one knows who the fuck he is.
Starting point is 01:09:30 You've never heard of him because he's never fought any big fights because he's not allowed in the US because he can't stop doing stupid shit. And his brain
Starting point is 01:09:37 doesn't function properly. That's the other problem. He's got blood clots, bats in his belfry and everything else. All sorts of shit flying around up there. Great reference. That was fun.
Starting point is 01:09:47 So September 17, 2009, Bob Arum comes out and denies that he ever wanted him on the Pacquiao. First he said he wanted him on this undercard with Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto in Vegas. But now he's saying, I never wanted him in the first place. He goes into that he's totally erratic. I don't know what he's doing. He also says, and Bob Arum also says, he thinks it's probably Hugo Chavez why he's not getting a visa also. So Bob Arum's backing him on this one. He's a really flighty guy, this Bob Arum.
Starting point is 01:10:17 So an odd thing happens here in late 2009. Very strange, as a matter of fact. Jennifer, his wife, we talk about her a lot. She's treated for a gunshot wound to her left leg. Holy shit! She is shot by an unknown attacker on a motorbike. I know a guy.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Exactly. Unknown. Wink, wink. Unknown. Jesus Christ. You guys know anybody who has problems on a motorcycle? By the way, it was in their front yard. This happened.
Starting point is 01:10:48 Standing in the front yard. Unknown. No idea who did it. That couldn't possibly. Yeah. It was a Rigoberto Moreno. Who's that? Yeah, that's them getting married.
Starting point is 01:11:01 She's nice. Yeah, she is, actually. There's a lot of pictures of her. She's real sexy. Well, I mean, see her leg. She's got a gunshot wound. Yeah, it's real nice. Yeah, she is, actually. There's a lot of pictures of her. She's real sexy. Well, I mean... You should see her legs. She's got a gunshot wound. Yeah, it's real gross.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Yeah, she's gross. You know how girls are always like, would you still love me if I fucking whatever, whatever, whatever? No, I would not if you had a gunshot wound. No.
Starting point is 01:11:18 Well, what if you inflicted the gunshot wound? What if you hired someone to do it from a motorbike at that point? Why did I shoot her? There's got to be a reason why I did it. And that's probably going to cut down on how much I love her.
Starting point is 01:11:31 You could even see her smile as forced. Oh, fuck yeah. That's Stockholm Syndrome for sure. No, it's serious. I'm not even kidding. I have an autistic son and you train them to smile. And that's how they smile at first. They're trained.
Starting point is 01:11:43 This is what you do with your mouth, but they're not actually experiencing joy. That's what he's fucking doing. That's what she's doing right there. She's either autistic or petrified. I don't know. I'm not sure. Either one is possible. Not fucking positive. An autistic woman and a retarded guy.
Starting point is 01:11:59 This is a great couple. Yeah, it's great. What could go wrong? Jesus Christ. Somebody's going to get a gunshot wound. Yeah, it's great. What could go wrong, Jimmy? Jesus Christ. Somebody's going to get a gun show. Oh, man. So, she... If you don't know
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Starting point is 01:13:53 admitted to the hospital, obviously. The bullet entered her leg near the thigh and left by the ankle so it had a trajectory. Holy shit! Yeah, that's bad, man. Tore it up. Tore it up. Get the fuck out of here. Yes. Also, it is... Edwin is the one who brought her to the hospital. Yeah. So he's like, man. Tore it up. Tore it up. Get the fuck out of here. Yes. Also, Edwin is the one who brought her to the hospital. Yeah. So he's like, oh, no, someone shot you.
Starting point is 01:14:10 They're going to get you to the hospital right now. Why is your eye moving that fast, sir? I have a blood clot. Yes. That's what happens. And I'm on so much cocaine. Jesus Christ, it's insane. The cocaine.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Jesus Christ, it's insane. The cocaine. So, late 2009, police are called to the house of Valero after a neighbor reports to the police that he'd struck his mother and his sister during a family dispute. He has lost his fucking mind at this point.
Starting point is 01:14:39 It is unraveling from now on. This is after a couple of fights that don't go one round, that go eight, and he some more blows to the head. Not great for a guy who's already got brain damage and a fractured skull
Starting point is 01:14:47 and everything else here. Everybody denies it though. They all denied anything happened. This neighbor saw this all happen. Denied. The mother said, quote, we weren't mistreated.
Starting point is 01:14:57 They're saying that it's an effort to try to make Edwin mad. I don't know why the fuck anyone would want to try to make this psychopath mad. They're saying they're just doing it to piss him off. He says, I've never hit my little sister, much less my mother.
Starting point is 01:15:07 So he's denying it completely. His mother, Eloisa, backs it up completely. She said, quote, there wasn't any sort of aggression. We weren't mistreated. It's nothing. Then she reiterates it. Completely fine. It's how we love.
Starting point is 01:15:18 It's how we love. He hugged her tight. That's all it was. He hugged her tight. He just messed up his sister's hair. He gave her a little tussle. And then dug his thumbs into his mom's throat. That's how we love. That's all it was. He hugged her tight. He just messed up his sister's hair. He gave her a little tussle. And then dug his thumbs into his mom's throat. That's how we love.
Starting point is 01:15:28 That's how we love. It's loving. It's very loving. So, December 19, 2009, at the, oh, wow, Polideportivo Jose Maria Vargas in La Guarina, Venezuela. Okay. We would have been here until tomorrow. I'd have just spelled it and moved the fuck along. And I still fucked it all up anyway.
Starting point is 01:15:48 I just destroyed it and moved on. He fights Hector Velasquez, who has the greatest name in the history of boxing. Charo Negro. That is a great name. That is his nickname. Mount. Charo Negro. I don't know what to say about that.
Starting point is 01:16:03 I said Charo Negro Yes you did Moving along He's a 57 What's Charo? What does that mean in Spanish? Is that like charred? No That's not a good nickname at all
Starting point is 01:16:17 So Charo like Charo Coochie Coochie Her name was Burnt Charred Black is a fucked up nickname I don't think it's Charred. I'm going to go with Charro means something else, let's say. It sounds like Charred and I really want it to be. That's why it's my favorite nickname. But, you know.
Starting point is 01:16:34 I'm uncomfortable as fuck. Alright. Alright, yeah, me too. And it's all my fault. This is seventh round. This guy does not come back out for the fight. He says, I'm good. I've had enough here against old Edwin. Ten seconds into the round.
Starting point is 01:16:48 He takes like three steps out and says, never mind. Turns back around. I don't think so. He's still pissed, it looks like. Again, there's more talk about a fight with Pacquiao now. This is Freddie Roach, who's Pacquiao's trainer. He said, quote, I've been thinking about it, and the number one contender in my mind right now is Valero. That's 2010.
Starting point is 01:17:05 So still, even though he's fucked up plenty, there's still a chance here. Roach noted a couple years earlier that he's a little slow, Valero, but he's got a lot of power and he's very dangerous. So with this, Valero says, I need to get myself out there. January of 2010, he joins Twitter. What? Imagine this guy fucking tweeting. Just threats. Angry things.
Starting point is 01:17:28 How do I joke my mother via Twitter? How do I do it? Has anybody found the man who shot my wife? I'm assuming that's what he uses Twitter for. It's really just posting videos and boxing shit. Oh, the worst Twitter user ever. Yeah, he's like Jeremy Mayfield's Twitter. It's the same kind of thing here.
Starting point is 01:17:48 I liked the video on YouTube. You're an asshole. His Twitter account, by the way, is still up. Really? And he has 317 followers. He's killing it. He's crushing right now. He has more people that's in this room right now.
Starting point is 01:17:58 Not by much, but it's still... It's close. We're almost beating him. That's fucking amazing. Just in this room. Just today, right? Never mind. We have a late show
Starting point is 01:18:05 so fuck you Valero yeah take that you son of a bitch you coke addled bastard so what a slight that was awesome
Starting point is 01:18:15 take that February 6, 2010 Monterey Arena Monterey, Mexico this is on Showtime so he's on television in America all over the place
Starting point is 01:18:23 he fights Antonio DeMarco who's a a Mexican fighter, 33-6-1. This guy, again, doesn't come back out for the ninth round. Wow. After eight, he sits in the corner and he's like, nope, never mind. That's amazing. Changed my mind. Good now. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:18:37 I want to watch fights like that. I don't know. Is it more exciting to see a first round knockout? Or would you rather hang in until number eight and then just like, fuck it, no, I'm going home. Well, this guy too, he opened up,
Starting point is 01:18:50 Valero had a huge cut on his forehead. And he still didn't want to come out. No, Valero beat the shit out of him. It pissed him off. Yeah, no, no. It didn't stop Valero at all. He sees a man with sheets of blood running down his face
Starting point is 01:18:59 and he's like, I'm not going to fight that man anymore. The picture, it was a very pixelated one. It was shitty, so I couldn't put it up. But the picture is basically him standing there just covered in blood, happy as can be. His teeth are all red.
Starting point is 01:19:10 He looks like he just ate a baby. Like, holy fuck, he's the champion of baby eating. My God. So March 25, 2010, he's charged Valero with harassing his wife and threatening medical personnel who trained her in Meridia, Venezuela. Here, there's the family there. Nice family. See, she's a nice woman. She's got two cute little kids.
Starting point is 01:19:35 It's nice there. His smile. Holy crap. He looks scary as shit. That is just... He's a frightening man. And they keep letting a man that looks like that fight. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:19:43 And they keep letting a man that looks like that fight. That's crazy. Jennifer's admitted into the hospital with bite marks, bruises, and a broken rib that penetrated her lung. What the fuck? By the way, where she had been previously treated for similar injuries in the past. Okay. That he never got arrested for. Okay. So what ends up happening.
Starting point is 01:20:00 She claims to have fallen down the stairs while going on the roof to fix a water pump or some shit. Like she's fixing water pumps all the time, this lady. Water pump. Her house has a water pump? Yeah, apparently. So Valero busts into the hospital and starts telling everybody she fell down the stairs. Fell down the stairs the whole deal. She starts pushing doctors and nurses around.
Starting point is 01:20:23 All this shit. Starts talking shit to the cops that are there. So they end up detaining him on suspicion of beating the shit out of his wife. But he told police injuries once again. He's like, now it's not even stairs. It's a ladder now. It's like, well, it's a ladder. She's climbing to the roof on a ladder.
Starting point is 01:20:36 Why the hell weren't you on the ladder, idiot? Well, he's got brain damage. Look at his face. Jesus Christ. He can't operate a ladder. So, no. That's a good point No That's a good point That's a good point
Starting point is 01:20:46 Shit It won't stay up Shit Fuck Oh I need a house To put it up against I was just standing up And it fell down
Starting point is 01:20:57 I don't know what happened Shit Alright That's what it is It's out in the middle of a field Yeah Fuck What the fuck
Starting point is 01:21:01 I wanted to see high I can't now Fucking best man Just out there So Prosecutor asks the court To order Valero To be jailed
Starting point is 01:21:16 But instead The judge places A restraining order on him That bars him From going near his wife What do you have Just successful Do we think that's gonna be
Starting point is 01:21:23 For this fucking lunatic here? It's fucking. Now, the boxing people are like they're there. It's so funny because they're they're in the silver hair middle aged white man business. The one one guy here, Rufo John, who's president of Box Track, which is a promotional company down there. He said, quote, We are not judges. The competent agencies will take will take charge of finding out whether he's innocent
Starting point is 01:21:43 or not. All right. Like, not my fucking problem is what he said. As long as he's fighting, I'm going to be paying him to do it. And a mortgage. Absolutely. So this all happens here. March 29, 2010.
Starting point is 01:21:55 March 28, 2010. Jennifer, his wife, decides that she refuses. That's her last chance to file charges against him. And they're really trying to get her to to and she won't. She tells her her injuries were caused by an accidental fall down a flight of steps. Exactly what he said. Even her mother said that. They got their
Starting point is 01:22:14 story straight. He said, look, you want me to get paid? Lie. And then they fucking went out and lied. Even his mother, Eloisa, backed up the same thing. The whole deal. Everybody backs it up. Now, March 29, 2010, he same thing. The whole deal. Everybody backs it up. Now, March 29, 2010, he checks himself. He's checked into a psychiatric hospital, the San Juan de Dios Hospital, to deal with depression and alcohol dependency.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Awesome. For six months. Six months he's supposed to be in here in rehab. Perfect. No takes. So that's March 29. Six months. April 7, he checks himself out of the hospital.
Starting point is 01:22:46 So, I mean, Jesus Christ. Let's go down the list. His mother, he could have made a nice life for. Now he's embarrassing the fuck out of her. His whole family. His poor wife, Jesus Christ. He's definitely beat her. He's maybe shot her.
Starting point is 01:22:58 Maybe shot her. Maybe beat up his mom, his sister. All of these boxing promoters and everybody else. Kids surely suffer. Oh, God. His kids. He's got two kids. They have to witness all this. Everybody that's ever invested a dime in him.
Starting point is 01:23:08 I feel bad for all these people, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Edwin Valero. 90-odd episodes. Every goddamn time I'm like, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:23 Oh shit, we do that. He's got some shit planned so Edwin Edwin Valero an actor who's in Mozart in the Jungle this actually has
Starting point is 01:23:34 Gail Garcia Bernal from Hampton in it the writer producer Hampton Hamilton looking at something
Starting point is 01:23:42 else Hampton what the fuck am I talking about here yeah so this is the guy's doing he's also a sound man on a From the Hamptons. What the fuck am I talking about here? Yeah, so this is the guy's doing. He's also a sound man on a movie called Skater Chicks, whatever the fuck that is. I ain't watching.
Starting point is 01:23:55 Edwin Valero, a, quote, law enforcement professional. What comes into your mind? Cop, right? No, I see it. Bounty hunter. Yeah, no, shit, no. He has a DSI security system. He's a fucking security guard. You're not a law enforcement professional.
Starting point is 01:24:06 Law enforcement professional. I don't have a gun. He should just say, I keep people from going there. Right. If you're there and you want to go there, I'm going to say no, you stay here. And don't go there. And that's law enforcement. I'm enforcing the law.
Starting point is 01:24:19 And my favorite of all, Edwin Valero, Little League coach and embezzler. This fucking guy. This guy's great. He's a former Little League treasurer who admitted to pocketing between $60,000 and $80,000 from a Little League's reserve that had...
Starting point is 01:24:38 Un-fucking-real, man. This was in 2014. He's 47 years old. He's believed to have made debit cards and made withdrawals from ATMs. A parent said, when I read this, I thought, could this possibly be the same nice guy?
Starting point is 01:24:54 It certainly fucking is. He had a D on his hat for, I'm a dick. That's right. Dickhead. Another parent said, he seemed like such a nice Congenial person Yeah Well that's great
Starting point is 01:25:06 Stealing from you Yeah You might suspect him If he's being an asshole Like I don't trust that guy Your kids don't have uniforms No shit He's got great hats though
Starting point is 01:25:16 So They all got D's on them That's just all of them They're all in different colors So The next ten days Now April 7th
Starting point is 01:25:23 So he'd spent a week in rehab. So not much here. After a week in rehab here, the Venezuelan government arranges to have him enter a rehab in Cuba. Yeah. Okay. They're both communist countries. He's going to send him there. Two days later, he's going to the airport.
Starting point is 01:25:38 He is shit-faced drunk. Yes. And crashes his car and misses the flight. Okay. Now, he was assigned a police escort to take him there for the next one. For the next time, he goes. A police, they assign him an escort. He somehow
Starting point is 01:25:52 manages to get away from them to the point where he gets to a rental place and rents a van. What? What kind of fucking police escort is this? It must be the other Edwin Valero. I told him not to go there. He didn't listen. I don't know what to tell you.
Starting point is 01:26:07 I said Cuba and he just went the other way. I don't know. That's all I can do. I took my flashlight out. He didn't listen. Or you're just not giving him enough credit and he's like Axel Foley in Hollywood. Beverly Hills Cop. There you go.
Starting point is 01:26:22 He suggests, Valero says that he thinks that they're being followed. Now he go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he suggests, Valero says that he thinks that they're being followed. Now he's got his wife with him too here. He's got her. He says that they're being followed and he needs to go to a hotel. By the way,
Starting point is 01:26:33 he's on a shitload of cocaine. Shit, yeah. Okay, shitloads of cocaine at this point. Yeah. People are animals. So what he does is they go to the Hotel Intercontinental
Starting point is 01:26:43 and they stay in room 624 there and he is shit-faced drunk, tons of coke. I mean, seriously. How many details? Some shit's coming. He's hammered shit-faced. He says he went to sleep. It's in Valencia here. It's April 18th.
Starting point is 01:26:57 He says what ends up happening at 530 in the morning, Valero walks downstairs to the front desk, barefoot and covered in blood from head to toe. Oh, no. Yes. And calmly announced that he's killed his wife. Oh, no. And he has stabbed her to death. Oh, no. Just calmly.
Starting point is 01:27:13 Imagine the guy working the fucking counter. He's like, what do you need, the Wi-Fi password? Holy shit, what happened here? Holy fuck. Good God. Wet nap, sir? Yeah. I don't know what the fuck to do.
Starting point is 01:27:25 More towels, I guess, is what you're looking for? Shit, so we're going to need to clean the room today, is what you're telling me. Wow. So, yeah, he went down. He makes a confession. So the hotel staff calls police, obviously. Police go up. They confirm the death.
Starting point is 01:27:40 Poor Jennifer. She has three stabbed. This poor woman, long-suffering. Jesus Christ. You know, I feel so bad for her. She was up there, stabbed to death three times, once in the throat. It would have really cemented in there. The one that soaked him.
Starting point is 01:27:53 You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the one probably that soaked him. He offers no resistance when he's arrested. He's so fucking high that they think he might be a suicide risk, obviously. So they take off. They take his shoelaces and his jacket and the rest of that shit. Now, his cousin, a Kenya Finnell, says that after his wife was killed, Valero called her and said that she'd been killed by underworld thugs. She's like, they took a shot at her once, why not twice, right?
Starting point is 01:28:19 I don't know who did it. She said, quote, when he called, he sounded like he was drugged. In a real quiet tone, he said Jennifer was dead in a hotel room in Valencia and that she had been killed by some thugs who had been pursuing them. Very calmly. He's very calm. Now, he gives the exact same story to his wife's, the same story he gave to the wife's family, the cousin there.
Starting point is 01:28:37 It's the same story he gives to police. Sure. He said, quote, I did not kill her. We were being pursued by some thugs and they killed her. Okay. That's very simple right there. I suppose. He also told police that he was so high he couldn't even remember exactly what happened. quote, I did not kill her. We were being pursued by some thugs and they killed her. That's very simple right there. He also told police that he was so high he couldn't even remember exactly what happened.
Starting point is 01:28:50 He said he remembered finding her body but couldn't remember anything else or how he was killed or anything like that. So he is arrested. There's him in handcuffs there. Obviously. He's arrested for that. That's the police guy. Just a dude in a windbreaker.
Starting point is 01:29:06 He looks like... That's the other Edwin Valera. He's like, there, we're taking you there. Inside that cell. Not a scary cop. He doesn't even have his hands behind his back. He's just like, you're okay. A guy like you isn't dangerous with your hands or anything. You couldn't beat me up
Starting point is 01:29:21 with your fucking hands, cuff. He says to them, quote, now I've screwed up for real. I'll never be able to see my daughter again. Now, he's got a, that's what he says at first when they take him. He's got a son, right?
Starting point is 01:29:31 He's fucked up. He's got a daughter and a son. Fuck the son. Who cares about him? See that kid? He's like, he's got fucking long hair
Starting point is 01:29:37 longer than mine. I don't like that. It's not masculine enough for me. He's got a fucking man bun. Yeah, it's no good. He says, his explanation for this is, I was going to Cuba,
Starting point is 01:29:46 but I didn't have my passport. I lost it. We were going to stay in La Galleria until they sent me to it. The flight was supposed to be yesterday. Very confusing shit.
Starting point is 01:29:55 And here's his explanation of the whole thing in their own words. Quote, Yeah. We were driving and I had been drinking some vodka.
Starting point is 01:30:03 I was drinking and drinking. All of a sudden, I realized that someone was following us. Probably a police escort maybe, dickhead. It was like 10.30pm and I sped up until we reached a toll booth and I told the police officer that someone wanted to rob or kidnap us. I don't remember which toll booth. After a while at the booth he told us to go to the Hotel Intercontinental in Valencia. I went there because they were trying to kidnap me.
Starting point is 01:30:23 There was this woman leaning back in a chair staring at my wife. Another man said hello to her as well. Oh boy. Is that coke shit or what? That's pretty bizarre. That's the cokiest shit ever.
Starting point is 01:30:33 There was a guy in the lobby and he said hi to us. He's fucking totally going to kill us, right? Think about that fucking statement. Then I went there and I saw him in the toll booth.
Starting point is 01:30:41 He was right there. I was like, yeah, he knows. The toll booth guy set me up. He sent me to the hotel because he had thugs. And he was the one, the Tollbooth guy was the fucking guy in control of it all. Don't you understand? The Tollbooth guy owns this shit.
Starting point is 01:30:51 Wow. Holy fucking shit. He said, I laid next to her and when I woke up, she was dead. That's all he says. He just said he was just taking coke and drinking all night long and she just died. And he said, I can't count on my family for moments like this. I think they'll find out what happened soon enough. What I would like, though, he tells the police, is to call my manager, Segundo Luano.
Starting point is 01:31:15 He should come. Talk about silver. I've killed a guy. Call my manager. Holy fuck, man. Not a guy. I killed my wife. I killed my wife, yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:23 So, I mean, he's sitting there now. He's in fucking jail. Yeah. He's sitting there. He's got to be miserable. He's sitting in there miserable. He's sitting in there miserable. And he hears there's a knock at the cell.
Starting point is 01:31:36 Yeah. He looks through the bars and it opens up and it's the Mexican pimp, Guns Blazing. And he says, how is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Why do you come? I have many women. Many. So many women.
Starting point is 01:31:53 I have not shot any of them. I have not stabbed any. I make them have sex for money, sure. And they give it to me, yes. But I do not do that. And he gets bumped over. He's like, who the hell is this? And behind him, it's the shawarma man
Starting point is 01:32:05 why you come here what's wrong with you no he already said how you come here right alright he does that but why you here now I don't understand
Starting point is 01:32:15 you come you come here you kill wife why you kill wife now you want shawarma from me I don't make shawarma for people who kill wife
Starting point is 01:32:21 sign say close no you no come in here no you no go and behind him and he was very concerned. No. You no go. And behind him, and he was very concerned when he turned around, as he was behind him, is Dexter Manley, interior decorator from New York City. This is ridiculous. You grew up.
Starting point is 01:32:34 Listen, listen. Sir, sir, I'm going to have to tell you right now. I'm the one that tells everybody this. I don't care if you're from Venezuela or wherever you're from. You're white trash. You're just white trash, okay? You're fighting with your mother, your sister. Your wife's climbing on the roof to change water pumps.
Starting point is 01:32:50 You're white trash. You might as well have a trailer. Get out of here. And he says, never mind. And he steps aside. And behind him, they hear some dogs barking. It's Bobby Colorado, animal trainer from Fredericksburg, Texas. And he says,
Starting point is 01:33:05 what the fuck is wrong with you? What's your fucking problem? You know what you need to do? You know your problem? You're very miserable. You need to get yourself a couple of nice fucking dogs as companions.
Starting point is 01:33:14 You know what I mean? I'll train them up for you to very fucking... No, I won't teach them to bite people. What the fuck is wrong with you? This guy's a fucking asshole. He wants me to teach him
Starting point is 01:33:20 to bite dogs? No, I'm fucking done with you. I'm getting out of here. And he steps aside and it's Estevez Jones. 70s... MMA fighter and 70s black exploitation film villain. And he says, motherfucker. Motherfucker, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Starting point is 01:33:39 It's your motherfucking problem. Nah, I've been talking to the Mexican pimp outside. We got some shit in common, you know what I'm saying? We both run some girls, you know what I'm saying? I got the same shit. I never stabbed talking to the Mexican pimp outside. We got some shit in common. We both run some girls. I got the same shit. I never stab one of my hoes. I don't stab nobody. You understand? No, that's right. I don't stab nobody. I keep it calm. I got a nice woman at home.
Starting point is 01:33:55 You think I'm a mean guy? No, I got a nice woman at home, goddammit. We're very happy. We go out on Friday nights to TGI Fridays. We have a good time. That's right. I don't give a fuck. And then behind him they make way and it's my grandma. And she says, Ma, what the hell are you doing?
Starting point is 01:34:22 Ma, I want to say you're a handsome young man, but you're really no handsome young man. You're a very, very ugly man, but that's okay. Maybe you cut your hair, you get a nice man haircut, you know, nice and short, you know, you look very handsome for your wife. You know what? I have a nice, you know, one of my nieces maybe I took.
Starting point is 01:34:36 No, no, you kill your wife. Never mind. You son of a bitch. Get out of here. I go, I go, and poof, in a cloud of marinara sauce, dog shit, purple glitter, cheetah print, and handguns. They're all gone. Like that.
Starting point is 01:34:50 Thank you, pal. Thank you. My grandmother kicked them all out. All of you go. So, Jennifer Carolina's uncle. We get back into woman murder now. This is terrible. He says that Valero didn't go crazy overnight.
Starting point is 01:35:15 He said he was always a violent person. He had the entire family living in fear. He says that they've never said anything because they've been threatened with death. Yeah. We have to take the blame for what happened for not speaking up earlier, but so do the authorities of this country and President Hugo Chavez himself. Because Valero was an athlete, he received preferential treatment.
Starting point is 01:35:32 Whole point of our show. So they are too responsible. They too are responsible for what happened. It's true. Jennifer's death cannot go unpunished. If he would have been sent to the mental hospital, then they would have said he wasn't crazy. He was keeping Jennifer on drugs since January.
Starting point is 01:35:49 He forced her to take them or else he would have killed her, her children, and her mother. One of those happened. Yeah, true. During the 10 years of marriage, she was always under threat of death, which explains the autistic smile. I really like my husband now. This is going great.
Starting point is 01:36:05 His mother, Valero's mother, blames the legal system. They said, the legal system's failed my son. Sure. Period. Because it's not his fucking fault. She said, quote, the authorities of this country are responsible for everything. Yeah. Everything.
Starting point is 01:36:17 I want that mom. Yeah. So he immediately, you know, they see a judge to, like, arraign him in any way. And he's remanded. He's not getting any bail. You, sir, may fuck off right over here. You're out of here. In jail.
Starting point is 01:36:30 So he's in police custody. The WBC suspended his title because he's in prison for fucking killing his wife. He can't defend it. So April 19th. No, he's not going to defend it. He's going to be the champion of jail. April 19th, he's in police custody. He tells police as they let him to his cell,
Starting point is 01:36:46 quote, I feel so alone, I need to talk to someone. Don't leave me alone. So they leave him alone. Obviously. And so he uses his jogging pants to hang himself. Fantastic! Yes! And there you go.
Starting point is 01:37:05 There's his fucking funeral. Do we have a death scene? I want to see that photo. I actually... That's close enough. I like that. I did, and I didn't bring... You found it?
Starting point is 01:37:12 No, I found her crime scene. Oh, fuck. No, no, no, no, no. We don't want that. Yeah, I'm not... I'd love to see him hung by a... We're having fun here.
Starting point is 01:37:18 This is fine. I want to see him hung by a pair of breakaway pants that didn't break away. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Fuck yeah. I love't break away. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Fuck yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:26 I love it. I love it, man. His mother-in-law said that the daughter had told him that he, quote, didn't eat, he didn't sleep, he used drugs every day, and he was growing more and more violent all the time. So people down in Venezuela are calling it a tough blow for the sport. I mean. They're all saying that they're just disappointed. Look at this funeral. There's people chanting shit.
Starting point is 01:37:50 They take the coffin to the gym that he trained at. What? No, this is like parading through the streets like a hero died. It absolutely is. To the gym. People are chanting, we don't care, we still love you. My Christ. It's fucking ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:38:03 A whole country of silver hair middle-'s a whole country whole fucking country uh yeah yeah one of this uh this lenares guy who's a former venezuelan uh heavyweight uh super featherweight champion he says what's important is that we learn a lesson we admired him as an athlete but we never did anything to help him with his problems we could have started by making public his problems and not hiding anything. His manager, Jose Castillo, who's a guy who should feel fucking bad, he said, quote, we all looked away to not to admit what's going on. We were very permissive with him. And because of that, we're now in the middle of this tragedy. Well, no shit. Also, Bob Arum.
Starting point is 01:38:37 There's his kid, too. That's his son there. That's fucking sad, man. And they're all treating him like this. That's at the funeral? People are clapping. This is fucking. That's a funeral.
Starting point is 01:38:44 Wow. That's his funeral. The kid's raising his fist like he's the champion now? Yeah, but they're saying like. like, this is great. That's at the funeral? People are clapping. That's a funeral. Wow. That's his funeral. The kid's raising his fist like he's the champion now? Yeah, they're saying like the son. He kind of is. They're trying to make him feel better, I guess. I think they do that at every event as well in funerals. They do.
Starting point is 01:38:55 We win. The oldest son puts boxing gloves on and they declare it a victory. An Oedipal victory. That's all it is right there. So, yeah, Bob Arum speaks on it one more time. He says, quote, the court put him in rehab for six months, and somehow he got out in a weekend. I never talked to him during that period. I only talked to his manager.
Starting point is 01:39:12 They were trying to get him to come to Mexico to start training and cleaning himself up. It's obvious now in retrospect that he should have been institutionalized during that period, but it's silly to play the blame game. Really? I think this is the perfect time to start blaming Motherfucker at this point in time. His final record is 27-0. Yeah, something positive does come out of this. A middleweight champion down there named Sergio Martinez announces the day after Valero kills himself that he's launching a campaign in the boxing community to raise awareness about domestic violence against women. He's doing this whole deal.
Starting point is 01:39:45 Basically, he says, quote, I love and respect women. Violence against women is simply unacceptable. The number of cases too often involving athletes requires action. I have always confided in my mother and consider myself to be a mama's boy. Women must be respected, not abused. It's true. This guy should be on our staff
Starting point is 01:40:01 for this. September 2000. 28-0, except for track pants and cars. That's it. That's the only thing that can beat him. 0-1 and 0-1 right there. You got it. September 2016, a film called El Inca comes out,
Starting point is 01:40:20 which is all about him. It's a box office sensation down there, automatically. It's the third most lucrative film of the year in less than three weeks of release. It's a huge thing. It's the second film ever, but whatever. It's only their fourth movie ever made. December 3rd, 2016,
Starting point is 01:40:38 the judge actually ordered it removed from theaters and impounded all the copies of it. It was a case brought by Valero's family, which they accused him of slander, the director, Ignacio Castillo, of slander. But he says it has more to do with bullshit. He says, in Venezuela, the courts are not independent.
Starting point is 01:40:55 There's evidence of political element in banning this film. So he's another one saying his father, this filmmaker's father was a journalist that Chavez fucking hated, by the way. So it's one of those things. So he's saying that it's a political thing against him, which, I mean, who knows? It might be, but either way. At the end of it, is he like a hero, like in Glorious Bastards where they kill Hitler?
Starting point is 01:41:15 You know what I mean? No, no, no. That really didn't happen. No, no, no. At the end, is he like a hero and the wife's a hero? No, no, no. In the end, he kills someone and then hangs himself. Great.
Starting point is 01:41:20 I want to see it. They keep it really on the mark there. Yeah. He said the judge, this guy said the judge never even saw the movie. I want to see it. that he doesn't think Valero committed suicide. He thinks it was murder. He says that, yep, he says that... Does he have a blood clot too? No, he said that he knew Valero personally. They both have very severe brain damage.
Starting point is 01:41:53 Yeah. They both know Valero very well. He knew Valero personally and Valero had attended his birthday party in the Philippines two years ago. And he says he didn't do it.
Starting point is 01:42:02 He said that, quote, someone might have gotten back at Valero. If police authorities felt that Valero could be a danger to himself, they should have stripped him down with briefs inside the cell or put a straitjacket on him,
Starting point is 01:42:12 which is true. But a lot of people are saying that. People, his parents request that, well, his sister, his mother, request that his body be exhumed to prove that he was, to say that he was strangled to death by police because that's what they think.
Starting point is 01:42:26 Wow. They would have had to have him cuffed. Otherwise, he's taken all of them out with him. Yeah. It's not a guy you want to try to start choking and fucking knock the shit out of you.
Starting point is 01:42:34 Hugo Chavez came out and said that during the investigation that Valera was innocent of the charge of murder in the case of his wife and he was in, and his wife was killed
Starting point is 01:42:45 by her enemies. That's what he said. So he's got the president to do that. Yeah. They really love women down there. That's right, man.
Starting point is 01:42:52 He said that and with this too, you know that if he wouldn't have killed himself, he would have got away with this shit. Yeah, no doubt.
Starting point is 01:42:59 If the president's saying you're innocent and it's a dictatorship, you're fucking innocent, period. No one's going to go against him. So yeah, so they had the funeral for him as we saw. People are and you're fucking innocent, period. No one's going to go against him. So they had the funeral for him, as we saw. And people are fucking upset about it.
Starting point is 01:43:09 They're upset. They're like, oh, they're sad, which I don't understand here. There's no closure. There is no closure on it. Yeah, they didn't get to do anything like that. So anyway, they're saying that they're blaming the psychiatrist for not keeping him. But he checked himself out of rehab in a week.
Starting point is 01:43:24 He was a fucking menace. There's no way that this was going to end like this in some way, shape, or form. Either in prison or hanging himself or with dead women or something here. Yeah, now they talk about Valero's brother, Edward, afterwards said that Valero was driven crazy by the drugs. And they named their kids
Starting point is 01:43:39 Edward and Edwin, by the way. What the fuck is wrong? Jesus, fuck. Which was which? Yeah, Edward is the brother. Edward says that the drugs made Edwin, by the way. Jesus. What the fuck is wrong? Fuck. Which was which? Yeah, Edward is the brother. Edward says that the drugs made Edwin hallucinate, and he thought everyone was trying to hurt him, even his own family. He said, quote, when Edwin came from Mexico after his last fight, he went crazy. He was drinking and acting strange and wanted to fight everybody. Cocaine makes you paranoid. No shit.
Starting point is 01:44:01 Once I went up to the house, and his wife was excited to see me. Somebody that tried it once. And his wife was excited to see me and he got mad. He had to be calmed down. His obsession with Jennifer was so strong that it bothered him even when his father or brother would give her a kiss. He would say that Jennifer was his. She belonged
Starting point is 01:44:20 to him. Edwin was a great person but the drugs drove him crazy. Made him see strange things. He always believed people wanted to hurt him. Sure. Fucking cocaine. God damn it. Yeah. Fuck. It's fucking awesome. It's good now. Yeah. That's that. Yeah. Cocaine could make someone voluntarily want to do that
Starting point is 01:44:36 and end up like this. That's how great it must be. I don't know. So I fucking hate stimulants of all kinds. I can't do it. I'm on edge enough. Imagine me on coke. Imagine this guy. I'd be do it. I'm on edge enough. Imagine being on coke. Imagine this guy. I'd be diving off the goddamn stage. The show would just
Starting point is 01:44:48 be all characters. That's all it would be. That's all it would be. I'd have a million fucking characters. Every one of these would be in a different character. The two children,
Starting point is 01:44:56 by the way, are now being looked over by Yoel Final, who was a 2016 bronze medalist and is the brother of Jennifer. Jennifer's brother.
Starting point is 01:45:05 The uncle. Valero trained him in boxing. Oh. And he would take and is the brother of Jennifer. Jennifer's brother. The uncle. Valero trained him in boxing. Oh. And he would take him around the streets of Meridia to look for fights to help him, quote, become a man. Sweet Pete. Come on, little guy.
Starting point is 01:45:13 Let's go beat the shit out of some people in the streets of Valero. Wow. Can't get enough of Edwin Valero, you sick fucks? You can go to www.boxingroyalty.co and get an Edwin Valero boxing DVD career set for $14.78. That's a deal. You can also get this little deal here.
Starting point is 01:45:34 This is an Edwin Valero signed glove, obviously. It's $1,249.88. Sweet. Is that Venezuela money or American? That's American. And they have the balls to say plus $10 shipping. Fuck you and your $10 shipping. You're not getting shit from me.
Starting point is 01:45:51 Balls! Balls of the North Korea money. Exactly. That's what it is. Not worth it. Also, too, they have a Scarface. You know those Scarface black and white shirts that people wear down to their knees? A Scarface-style Edwin Valero shirt. Him with his arms up in the ring with the Scarface like black and white shirts That people wear down to their knees A Scarface style Edwin Valero shirt
Starting point is 01:46:05 Unbelievable Him with his arms up in the ring with the scarf Those shirts are like body covers for when you stab a woman So that you don't get your blood on it What an asshole $20.99 plus $5.95 shipping Please nobody buy one Fucking terrible
Starting point is 01:46:19 And that my friends is Edwin Valero A complete and total asshole Thank you so much everybody for coming out Chicago And that, my friends, is Edwin Valero, a complete and total asshole. Thank you so much, everybody, for coming out to Chicago. You guys are great. Bear the cold. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We love you to death.
Starting point is 01:46:34 Thank you so much. We'll see you out there. We're going to come out and hang out, take pictures, and see all of you. Thanks again, everybody. Have a good night. Drive safe. Bye. Bye. Bye. free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and add free
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