Crime in Sports - Ego, Accusations & Cocaine - Quintin "Q" Dailey - Part 1

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

This week, we talk about a basketball player, who was supposed to be one of the stars of the NBA. An allegation that he broke into a young woman's dorm room, and tried to sexually attack her doesn't e...ven scare teams away. But it turns out that he was guilty, and it was only the start of his downhill slide. Michael Jordan was drafted to play his position, causing more depression, and more freebasing cocaine! He's a mess, and it only seems to be getting worse!!   Survive losing both parents when you're 14, have your actions help cause your college to end it's basketball program, and have the arrival of Michael Jordan make you melt down in every way possible with Quintin Dailey - Part 1!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:05:10 All right. Let's get into this here with our guy of the week here. Quinton Daly. Yeah. Nickname of Q. Very creative with all the people out there. I mean, there was a Q that played for the sons.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Yeah. 15 years later named Clinton. They just called them Q. There's just not a lot of guys with Q in their name. So if you're a Q, you're getting Q. That's it. That's it. Just like Xavier McDaniel is X-Man,
Starting point is 00:05:34 because how many other fucking guys' names start with X in the NBA? I don't think there was any at all. Probably not. So Quinton Daly here, D-A-I-L-L-E-L-E-L-A. E.Y. He is just an interesting, crazy, tragic story. We'll get into it, but this guy was supposed to be, like, he was the next, that guy. Yeah. Like, when he was coming out of college, Jordan was still a
Starting point is 00:05:58 freshman at North Carolina or what I don't even know if he was a freshman yet, but in 82, but he was going to be what they thought of Jordan later. Like, that's, that was Quentin Daly. Just a, and he was great shooter. A shooting guard? Yeah, shooter and just, yeah, he's, a two. Just a great shooter and great to the rim. He was nasty. Only six foot three. Not like a Jordan 6.6. But still, 6.3 can do fine if you can...
Starting point is 00:06:24 A lot of people say Jordan isn't even 66 anyway. A lot of people. Nobody is what they're listed as in the NBA. Absolutely nobody. No, I told you. I met Charles Barkley and we're the same size. I mean, he's three of me wide, but literally in the shoulders. But we look eye to eye. There's this kid that just went undrafted from Vandy. And they say he's 5-9. He's 5-7.
Starting point is 00:06:46 He's so little. Good luck. Yeah. Good luck out there. Short quarterbacks have done. And shitty. So well in the NFL. There's been a few short quarterbacks that can hack it, but it's few and far between.
Starting point is 00:06:59 There's been one, right? A couple. And Russell's pretty small for a quarterback. He's still six foot. Is he six? There you go. Jeff Garcia was. They say six one.
Starting point is 00:07:08 So he's 5-11. He might be 5-10, 5-11. Jeff Garcia, they said was 5-11. He was 5-11. He was brought. Probably 5-9. I mean, Doug Flutie, obviously, is the real. That's the good one.
Starting point is 00:07:17 He's a real short guy, actually. He's like 5-6, so that's really small for quarterback. But the difference between then and now is the line is the line has gone so big. The linemen are 6-6. Right. Yeah. Kyler Murray is terrible at playing quarterback because he's so, so he can't get over them. Well, you would need to drop back about 18 yards before he could see over the fucking
Starting point is 00:07:42 line. That's why. Right. And if somebody gets through, now all of a sudden, you are 18 yards deep and second and 28 is not easy to overcome. That's, that's why, that's half of Kyler Murray's highlights are him running many, many yards behind the line of scrimmage that he shouldn't be. Nobody should be 20 yards deep. No, you really shouldn't be. It's not drawn up that way. I'll tell you that much right now. No coach said run 20 yards backwards, and then that's. It's never the start of a play.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Take the ball, run as far as you can the other direction. Yeah. That's not how it works. And then whatever comes after, it's wrong. So he's born January 22nd, 1961. He's born in Baltimore. All right. Here.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Now, and he's got just this guy, man. We'll talk about him. Meager beginnings. He had a rough childhood. Let's just put it that way. He's got three older. brothers. He's born in Maryland, youngest of four boys, living in a poor neighborhood in South or East Baltimore, because people, accounts vary of where exactly this was. But I mean, this is, we're talking
Starting point is 00:08:59 in the 60s growing up in Baltimore is when Baltimore was starting to really kind of, on the crime side, go downhill into the 70s. That's not great. All of his three older brothers also, good athletes and good basketball players. So he had an easy path because all of his brothers are playing ball all the time. So that's what I go do. I go play ball. I mean, that's it. And I'm with my brothers.
Starting point is 00:09:21 So it's safe and we're all together. Yeah, you're the youngest, too. So whatever your older brothers are doing, yeah, you just want to be there doing it with them. You know, so basketball became his identity early on. And that happens a lot, too. If you grow up in a shitty neighborhood, the athletes are a different breed than the rest of. of everyone else in the shitty neighbors. Everybody treats them differently.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Yeah. The drug dealers treat them differently. Drug dealers want them to keep playing ball. They don't want them to sell drugs. You've got something. Go do that. Yeah. No, drug dealers in a lot of places,
Starting point is 00:09:57 will give money to these kids even just to keep them from hustling and shit like that. Like, it's everybody kind of roots in not all neighborhoods, but in a lot of shitty neighborhoods. That's kind of how it works. Probably in Paul Pierce's neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot of guys, if you listen to their stories, they're like, you know, I was trying to get into street shit when I was a kid.
Starting point is 00:10:18 And the people would take me aside and say, to say for you, you got a fucking future. None of us do. What are you doing, stupid? Somebody would pull him aside and tell him that. So, yeah, he's playing in the playground games and everything like that. His older brother, Tony, who played football at West Point, by the way. Oh. Which, to get into that school, even to play football, you got to be pretty decent academically.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Yeah. Annapolis? Is that what that is? No, no, that's West Point up by me. West Point's Army. Oh, Army. Yeah. What's Annapolis?
Starting point is 00:10:46 Navy. Navy. Navy. Navy. Navy. Navy. Yeah, Navy. Yeah, the Navy, you know, West Point Army is, you know, 45 minutes away from me or something over here.
Starting point is 00:10:55 So his older brother, Tony says, Q was into basketball when he was younger. But then when I started coming home from school, he was into the basketball, or he was in a baseball when he was younger. That's what they're saying. But then when I started coming home from school, he was into basketball. and he just kept getting better and better. And apparently he's like a great pool player too. He's a great hand-eye coordination. He's just one of those guys that can see angles and shit like that,
Starting point is 00:11:23 which in basketball, if you can see angles, you can dominate, even if you're not athletic. Larry Bird dominated and he was slow and couldn't jump because he saw every fucking angle and knew how to play them. That's all. So that's half the game right there. He likes to tell a story about, in a Baltimore police letting him fire guns at a pistol range when he was 13.
Starting point is 00:11:47 What? I don't know why they would. Super bad? What's going on? Yeah, I don't know if this was like some sort of, you know, policeman league. Sometimes he'll have the police will sponsor leagues for kids. I don't know if maybe that's how he knew the cops or just. I can't imagine cops taking some kid from the neighborhood and being like, you want to let off a couple of rounds with us?
Starting point is 00:12:03 Come on. Hop in. We're going to the bar afterwards if you want to come. It's going to be great. in the grocery store parking while just shooting at the car. Four shots of Jameson for us. What are you, kid? You a Jameson guy or what are you, you know.
Starting point is 00:12:18 You get to pop as many rounds as you drink. That's where we're at. That's where we are. He said he was better than most of the officers at firing guns because he had shot guns before. Now, when he's a sophomore in college, he's 15 years old, this is brutal for anybody. he's going to Cardinal Gibbons High School in Baltimore and his mother dies of a stroke suddenly obviously strokes don't really have a
Starting point is 00:12:46 we're expecting a stroke any time now really doesn't come out of anybody's mouth so his mother dies suddenly of a stroke this is crazy that was March 3rd 1977 he said that he was sitting in a locker room bundled up in a sweatsuit after leading the team to a victory and he said he got a chill and it was 9.15 p.m. And later on, he went over to his friend's house where his dad called him and told him that his mother died at 9.15 p.m.
Starting point is 00:13:16 So he's saying he felt his mom die. He's convinced that he felt it happened. He can't tell him otherwise. Now, a month later, actually it was like less than a month. It was like three weeks later. He was watching TV when the phone rang. And then his brother walked into the room and he told him, guess what? Dad just died too.
Starting point is 00:13:36 So he lost both his parents within a month at 15 years old. And his dad told him the first one? His dad told him his mom died. Yeah. And then his dad went and died. His dad went and died and his brother said dad died. Dad had cancer and had been fighting cancer for a while. And so that.
Starting point is 00:13:54 But he wasn't expected to die then. He just happened to have a bad day and died. So imagine being 15 though. And one, you know, in fucking April you have parents. and in May you don't. Yeah. And it's not like they died in a car accident together or something. They died separately of medical events in a month.
Starting point is 00:14:11 That's just brutal, man. So he's an orphan at this point. He's got older brothers, but they're doing their own things. They were going to school and stuff like that, college. Like, they can't, you know, his brother's at West Point. What's he supposed to do? Come home to Baltimore and, you know, get a shit job and raise his brother. He can't do that.
Starting point is 00:14:28 No one's going to do that. So he was pretty, pretty rough here. That's crazy. So he remembered he was trying to carry on. He said one day as a sophomore the same year, he was dogging it in practice, as he put it. And his coach, a guy named Ray Mullis, told him that if he intended to go through the motions, you could walk downstairs and take off his uniform right now. And Quentin said, I was cocky, so I walked. When I went downstairs, I thought, if I don't have basketball, I have nothing.
Starting point is 00:15:01 And so I went back upstairs. He tried to call his bluff and then he was like, oh, that motherfucker's right. And then he was like, oh, shit. Hilarious. This is literally my whole identity. What am I supposed to do? So he said he was bitter when his parents died. As you would be, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:19 He's a young kid still. If you're 15, you're angry anyway. Yeah. Your parents could be alive and kissing your ass and you're still angry when you're 15, especially a 15-year-old boy. You're pissed at everything in the world. And testosterone is flooding your system and you don't know what to do with it. Yeah, and now you've got to take care of yourself. Yeah, that's the other thing.
Starting point is 00:15:36 He said, quote, when my parents died, I said, damn it, why did God have to take them now? Right now. But he said, after a while, he became philosophical, and he learned to identify the situations that were beyond his control. Can't be upset. He said, quote, just look at the obituaries. Death happens every day, and there's not a thing you can do about it. God puts you in the world to make you handle situations. there was no way I could save my parents.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I have to face that and handle it. I have to handle the memories. I have to live. I have to live. I have to dance. I must sing. That would hurt really bad to have both your parents dead. Then you go to the obituaries to learn a life lesson and they're empty.
Starting point is 00:16:18 There's nobody. It just says nobody died today. Everybody's fine. And then you turn to sports. Is that how it works? You're like, oh, good. The lifestyle section. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:16:28 time. It's only... See about that tulip exhibit that's going up. It's only cues mom and dad. That's it. Nobody else. For months, he's just going through. Nobody's dying in Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Oh, man. So this newspaper article says, quote, despite the tragedies he's endured, Daly smiles so much, you wonder if there's a series of private jokes dancing through his head. But his is not the idiot kind of happiness that blinks half-known.
Starting point is 00:16:58 knowingly at life. They're saying he's smiling, but not because he's a dummy, you know. He's not just Forrest Gump grinning at you for no reason. There's something going on in there. Something going on in there. He says, well, you know what, let's give him it in their old words here. Let's find out who he is and give him it in their own words. That sounds fun here.
Starting point is 00:17:15 All right. In their own words, quote, Because of losing my parents, I had to be an adult quick. So I keep the kid in me alive. I smile all the time, even when I'm down. I can't see myself having a dog's life. I'm going to enjoy myself till I go. Okay.
Starting point is 00:17:31 And he's going to try, all right. I'll tell you that much. He said, I was angry at God after my parents died. I couldn't understand if there was a God why he would take my parents away for me. Great point. So he moved in with an aunt, but there's no, apparently from what he says, there's no love whatsoever coming from the aunt. The aunt lets him stay at her house and puts food on the table and shit,
Starting point is 00:17:54 but it does not treat him like a son. He's an inconvenience. These guys, yeah, I guess I'll let you live here because I'd look like a dick to the rest of the family if I didn't. But yeah, he said he basically raised himself after that. He said, I had no structure in my life. I used to get my personality from movies. At the time, karate movies were big. I felt like a warrior. I made my body hard as rocks. I was driven by anger. Anger made me a great basketball player. And that's it. And that's what he said a lot later on, too. He said he didn't. He got his personality for movies. Yeah. Just he'd pick personality traits he liked and that's what he would do. You could certainly play with a chip on your shoulder then and it would improve what you're doing. Yeah, today now it's all just a finesse thing.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Today it would hurt you. But then you could sincerely, it would benefit your life and your game if you played like you fucking needed to. Yeah. Those guys back then, they played fucking hard. I mean, they are they physical. The game was very physical.
Starting point is 00:18:56 And they'd say, too, like, there's a lot of, a lot of critique of, like, late 70s and kind of early to mid-80s basketball, like the pre-Jordan era. There's a lot of critique of that as the guys were lazy. Guys were lazy, guys were lazy. And they would, you know, take their time sometimes coming up the court and stuff like that. But I don't think they were lazy. I think they were, it was literally such a physical fucking game. Yeah. If you were tired.
Starting point is 00:19:22 And you're fighting and elbowing. And I think then you kind of, you might ease. up on the run up the court and then because you're going to go to battle again when you get down there. I mean, guys went to the rack and got clotheslined, period. And that was regular foul. Yeah. You know, that was it. It wasn't a flagrant and everybody went crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:39 It was just, well, watch out when you go to the rim because artist Gilmore will close line you and that's that. So, you know, it was a different game. His brother, Tony, who was playing football at Army already when the parents died, so he was already on a college football team. He said, the boy didn't have nobody. That's the way he put it. He just lived kind of on his own. So he lived alternately with his aunt, whom he didn't even like. And then he lived with his girlfriend's family sometimes, too, when he got a girlfriend.
Starting point is 00:20:10 One of his girlfriends that he lived with was Wanda Burton, who was Reggie Jackson's niece, which is just a very weird thing. That's his girlfriend? That's his girlfriend, is Reggie Jackson's niece. And in 77. I believe before 76 Reggie Jackson played half a year
Starting point is 00:20:31 with the Orioles he got traded to the Orioles and played there for half a year in Baltimore and then went signed with the Yankees and after that
Starting point is 00:20:39 I believe 75 into 76 or 76 was no Reggie on the Yankees and 77 Reggie showed up so yeah so also he would he lived with teammates
Starting point is 00:20:52 sometimes he'd stay with them he just he didn't really have a home base really. I mean, he didn't like his aunt. When the recruiters started coming for basketball, a lot of guys, especially back then, would want to play in a Big East team. They'd maybe go play at Maryland or they would play. I don't remember if Maryland. They're not in the Big East, but they might go up and, you know, they might try to play Georgetown or they might try to play at St. John's
Starting point is 00:21:15 up in New York or go play one of those. He said his main thing was he wanted to get as far the fuck away from Baltimore as possible. Really? So get me the fuck out of here. I want to out. How about that? He had no family really. His brothers were off doing their own things. Parents, dead, aunt doesn't give a shit. He's the youngest, right? Yeah, he wants nothing to do with it.
Starting point is 00:21:35 He said, I had a lot of pain growing up. I wanted to just get away and start over. Fair. Which is fair. And a lot of guys in his situation would want to stay put. Yeah. Because at least I have friends I know here, teammates. And he was like, fuck.
Starting point is 00:21:49 Familiarity. All of that shit, which is the healthiest attitude he could have, honestly, I think, at this point. So he graduated from high school, where he's a big giant star there, obviously, in 1979. He's recruited an insane amount out of high school. Like the level of star this kid was at basketball, it's crazy because you've never heard of him, right? Right. The level of fucking star and what he was supposed to be at this point is off the charts. I mean, yeah, 200 colleges pursued.
Starting point is 00:22:24 200. That's like all of them. I didn't, yeah. There's, there can't be many more than that. There's like, what, 110 in Division 1A and then the two-A school? I mean, every college was recruiting him. So every giant program you could imagine is recruiting him. The final four has so many teams in it.
Starting point is 00:22:43 So many teams. March madness, I guess is the word. It starts at 64 or 66 or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, yeah, they have four in the final. But yeah, so it starts at that and that's, you know, a lot of teams don't make. it. He chooses above all of these colleges the University of San Francisco, which is geographically about as far away as you can get from Baltimore in the United States. San Francisco is a nice place. Yeah, nice place and all. But it's not a basketball powerhouse or they're not a national TV.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I didn't even know it was a call until right now. Back then, unless you were playing at like UCLA, playing on the West Coast was completely pointless because nobody saw you. Your games weren't on on the East Coast. There was no cable to play them on. So those games started at, you know, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night in the East Coast. Nobody saw anything. They have to overperform for what they're expected and be like a shocking underdog for the East Coast to give a shit because their games are played so late three hours behind.
Starting point is 00:23:50 They wouldn't even be in the next day's newspaper sometimes, the next morning's paper. it wouldn't be in there. Yeah. The score. Give them a reason to stay up late. Otherwise, they're going the fuck to sleep. Well,
Starting point is 00:23:58 there was, there was no even option to stay up late in the 70s because there's really no cable. There's no ESPN. That's a great point too. Yeah, you're just getting the news later.
Starting point is 00:24:05 You're just not seeing it. It's just not going to be on unless they're on like a Saturday, which would be UCLA spot because they were a big, yeah, because what did the ESPN start where they started showing. 80, 81.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Was that when it was? Yeah, college basketball was one of the first things they put on because it was cheap back then. Nobody wanted it. Yeah. Nobody cared about college basketball, especially the Big East. They went with the Big East teams.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Like, I grew up watching as far back as I can remember being like little, little watching like St. John's and Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. And you could cover that all fucking day. Yeah. And it was cheap. So he chose that. Now, it's a Jesuit school. And Bill Russell went there. Oh.
Starting point is 00:24:45 That might be part of the reason why he went there. But that was 20 years earlier in the 50s. So, I mean, San Francisco, otherwise. How many big basketball players from the University of San Francisco do you know of? Yeah. I didn't even consider where Bill Russell went to college because he was played so long ago. Yeah. You're like, did they even play in college back then?
Starting point is 00:25:07 Did they pick him up off of like a. What's the colleges back then? Yeah. There was just a hoop on the side of the building they found him playing at. And they were like, look at this tall son of a bitch. He's pretty good. So long ago. So this is the University of San Francisco, Don's.
Starting point is 00:25:22 D-O-N-S, like mob bosses here. So he plays 79-80 season here. He's a freshman. You know, he's a young kid. He plays in 29 games. And looks like he averages 13.6 points, 3.7 rebounds, 3.4 assists. So not bad for a freshman. Pretty goddamn good for a freshman here.
Starting point is 00:25:45 In 80-81 here, he averages 22.4 points a game. Yeah. 5.5 rebounds and three assists. And he is a fucking star. Wow. He's shooting 57% from the field as a two guard. Yeah. Which is goddamn impressive too.
Starting point is 00:26:03 And just excellent. Just a top-notch season. And this makes him, he's All-America that year, and everybody wants him. I mean, he is a, he is the guy, like, coming out. Like, if you need a two-guard, you're picking him. him. However, if you're, you know, if there's centers available ahead of him and you want big guys, that's different. But first team that wants a two guard, he's the guy. Bingo, yeah. For sure. And he's only a sophomore at this point. So then on December 21, 1981, 1981, now this is the end of this
Starting point is 00:26:40 season, and this is all going to come out right before the draft starts. Uh-oh. His timing could not be worse. Yeah? Because right before the draft starts, he, here felony charges are filed against him. Uh-oh. Within a month of the NBA draft. Of what? Not good. Felony charges of, well, let's find out here.
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Starting point is 00:30:03 Yeah. He allegedly at the time, but he did because he pleaded guilty. He enters the dorm room of Victoria Brick, a 22-year-old nursing student serving as the resident supervisor in a. woman's dorm on campus. Yeah. Around 3 a.m. Yikes. According to Brick's account, Quentin came in, demanded sexual favors and pressed unwanted
Starting point is 00:30:28 sexual attentions on her with threats of harm if she refused, subjecting her to an extended ordeal that she described as involving coercion but not escalating to rape as she managed to deflect him through kisses and caresses until he fell asleep, enabling her to escape. So he drunkenly came in, apparently, tried to force his way on somebody who placated him long enough that he fucking went night night. And then she got to run out of the room. She kissed him and rubbed his back until he fell asleep.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Holy shit. She reported no physical injuries, no use of a weapon, and explicitly stated that rape did not occur. That is so scary, though. But it's someone coming in your room at 3 o'clock in the morning and saying, hey, you want to put this in your mouth is fucking terrifying. He's not there to cuddle. No, I highly dare. He's not there to ask her what her favorite books are.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Hey, what are you reading right now? What kind of movies you're into? It's a favorite color. So February 23rd, 82 is when this comes out. And that's horrible timing because ESPN just started. And if they're covering all things sports, including the bad side of sports, this is going to get national coverage. It's not great. It's not great.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Luckily for him, ESPN is in like three states in the Northeast and nobody really has it yet. And all they're talking about probably is just sports and not crimes. They're doing highlights. And that's when they had like log rolling and shit on there. And like that was a shit show. I remember ESPN from as early as I could remember because my area was in the first area to have it. So we had it from the beginning. And it was a fucking.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Chris Berman was on it from the beginning. He was. He was. Isn't that crazy? He was the guy who started. Yeah, it was fucking nuts. The ESPN was amazing when I was four and five years old and just, you know, around this time or a little later, a year or two later. But I loved Sports Center right when I woke up in the morning.
Starting point is 00:32:31 There was a very well-dressed, put together, very awake man. Oh. Just enthusiastically talking about sports. Tell us all about it. Yeah. Showing us the overnight highlights. Rubbing my eye and trying to hide a morning bone. I'm like, this is so great.
Starting point is 00:32:49 It was. It was the fucking best. What an amazing thing. So this article here, February 23rd, 1982, Quinton Daly, one of college basketball's finest guards and the country's fifth leading score with 16th ranked University of San Francisco. How about that? Was charged on Monday with five felonies, including attempted rape. What a terrible time to be horny, man. Just an idiot.
Starting point is 00:33:14 What a terrible time to be a foreign. fucking idiot. He surrendered after an arrest warrant was issued and was released on bail about on about $5,000 bond. Now, by the way, during all of this, the university between the time that charges were filed and the time it happened was trying to convince that girl to say not to not to drop it. To not do it. Trying to convince this woman to not do it just to drop it. Maybe you were mistaken. You can't be sure it was him. Maybe it was somebody else. Maybe you, misunderstood. I mean, literally, they were doing that. And the university was paying for his lawyer. Oh, my God. Think about that. What a different time that was. Yeah. The university literally was
Starting point is 00:33:57 paying for his shit rather than suspending it. Conflict of interest like crazy. Yeah, totally. The director of public affairs for USF gave this following statement, quote, one of our students has been charged by another with commission of serious criminal offenses. In these circumstances and having in mind the sensitivity of the issues and the right. And the right. of the parties, it would be wrong for the university or anyone representing it to make any comment other than expressing an expression of profound concern for everyone involved. Especially the guy we're paying for his lawyer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:30 We don't put up with people bursting in the dorm rooms trying to rate people at three in the morning. That's not cool. Wild, right? And if it happened, this guy's out on his ass. I don't care how many points he scores. But no. He said the university considered Daley innocent until proven guilty and that Daly will
Starting point is 00:34:44 continue to practice with the team, and he's scheduled to still start in a game, in two games this weekend. They said, it doesn't matter. We don't care. The attorney representing Daley said his client was charged with assault to commit great bodily harm, two counts of assault with intent to commit a sexual act, burglary with intent to commit a felony and false imprisonment. They said that they lived in the same dorm building and said the two-month delay before charges
Starting point is 00:35:13 were filed were surprising and added that Daley had attempted to cooperate in the investigation before the charges were filed. He said, I just think it's unfortunate and somewhat common that a well-known athlete has become subject to charges of this nature, which are later on proven baseless and entirely false. Okay. That's what they're trying to say here. So, yeah, the university is pretty much defending him behind the scenes.
Starting point is 00:35:41 He enters a plea of innocent. here, which this couldn't be the worst timing for him, honestly. But they keep, they keep plugging along here. But apparently, here's a game, February 28, 82. It's the day after the arrest happens. And this article says, when Quentin Daly got out of bed Saturday morning, he looked at the world through fresh eyes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:09 He said, quote, everybody needs a day off every once in a while. When I got up this morning and I had sorted everything out, all I needed was some time to get my priorities straight to deal with the pressure. I dealt with it yesterday. There's no question I was ready to play today. Okay. He's all ready to go. He missed one game. He had to go to court and then came back in and lost.
Starting point is 00:36:33 He had a freshly shaven head, they said. Nice. That apparently was a big deal in 1982. Look at him. He's got a shaved head. Wow. They said, though the Don's play, because they lost, San Francisco lost, were certainly an undercurrent in Saturday night's ballgame. All eyes were focused on Daly.
Starting point is 00:36:53 After all, the junior guard was nowhere to be found Friday night when the Don's beat Loyola 96 to 73. That morning, he had entered a not guilty plea in regard to five felony charges. When it came to showing his face at Friday night's ball game, Daly decided to stay in his room. He said, I had to get my priorities straight. I had to think about where my life had been and where I was going. I came to the decision that life is just a series of obstacles, and this is one obstacle I have to get over. I have a little leaping ability, so I guess I'll just leap over it.
Starting point is 00:37:25 I'll just leap over this rape charge that's hanging, attempted rape charge it's hanging before me. No problem. A lot of people say, duck, he's going high. He's going over. Yeah, he's going to hop this bitch. He's going to fucking hurtle it. He said, I've already taken one great step from one level to a level above. love. Now I just want to play ball and go to school. Okay. He said, I knew we were capable of beating
Starting point is 00:37:47 Loyola without me there, and I had enough confidence of my teammates for that. But I knew against Pepperdine, we needed a catalyst. We needed everything I could give. I had my head ready for the Pepperdine game. That was a big game as far as motivation. I was ready to play Pepperdine last night. He said, in fact, if we were playing Pepperdine, I would have been out there. You can bet on that. I would have taken my day off another time. Okay. So he said he still had a good game in the game he played. He said it felt fantastic to be out there.
Starting point is 00:38:19 He said, I felt simply like I was home. There was no one who was going to stop me tonight. And also the fans were like, they were supporting him. They gave him extra huge ovations. Oh. People were holding signs with the girl's name on it, the young lady's name on it, saying, you wish. and shit like that.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah, it was like, they weren't even like being. You're not his type. It was literally like, you're not hot enough for him to rape you. Like, it was crazy. Really fucking wild. Yeah, so they ended up losing this game against Pepperdine here. And so that's how it goes. The coach says that guy hasn't worked up here in a long time.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Oh, wait, what was that? No, no, no. He's pissed off at a referee. That's right. The coach is mad at a referee. and said, that guy hasn't worked up here in a long time. And if I have my way, it'll be the last time he'll work here. Nice.
Starting point is 00:39:15 That's fucking funny. Okay. I think, is this Quentin? Yeah, no, Quentin says, I didn't get the ball enough. I'm not blaming that on anybody. That's just the way the game went. But if I had gotten the ball more, you never know. So, yeah, this season, anyway, he averages 25.2 points a game.
Starting point is 00:39:34 That's great. He was primed for this NBA draft. 5.2 rebounds, 2.7 assists, shooting almost 55% from the field, leads the team, averaging 25.5 points per game and broke a team record that had been held by Bill Cartwright, who people remember him from those 90s Bulls teams when he was an old man. He was fucking, he had been in the league for 15 years at that point. So he was a good player back in the day, though, in the early 80s he was a pretty when did he retire because he did play a long fucking time want to say like 94 he retired something like that I bet it was later might have been later like like 99
Starting point is 00:40:17 wow because he played I want to say he came in the league in like 77 or some shit did he play for uh Boston too for a while he may have because he bounced around a lot because he was on the Knicks back in the early days and he was on wow he's only 70 not even He was still coaching in 2013. He retired in 96. 96. There you go. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:42 How about that? So he pleads not guilty here, which is, I guess, what else are you going to do if you're him? He's got to at least act like he didn't do this shit for now. Yeah. They said that with the district attorney said, no doubt at this point in time, we have the right man. Because Daley's attorney just keeps saying it's just, we're not saying it didn't happen
Starting point is 00:41:04 to her. she just picked the wrong guy. It's just a misidentification. I'm sure that someone broke in her room and did that, but it wasn't Quentin. That's amazing. That's what they're saying. So June 5, 1982, he pleads guilty because he's so innocent. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:22 He pleads guilty to assaulting a nursing student in her dorm room. There you go. She was confused. I'm guilty. I'm guilty. What? In return for the guilty plea on a non-sexual charge, so they drop charge. prosecutors agreed to drop three other charges,
Starting point is 00:41:37 including two sex charges, in connection with the attack. They dropped attempted rape and attempted oral copulation and false imprisonment. They dropped all of those. He was ready to go to trial, I guess, there. Instead, he's going to get a felony assault charge.
Starting point is 00:41:53 You, sir, they fuck off three years probation. You be good. A felony assault. Yeah. If he did that, and he seems to be admitting he did that, that seems light for breaking into a chick's room at three o'clock in the morning and trying to force your dick in her mouth. I feel like that's a little light for that.
Starting point is 00:42:10 And whatnot for the ability of alcohol to take control of you and put you to sleep would have happened likely. Yeah. That's what I, yeah. Who the fuck knows? If he had the energy, who the fuck knows? That's what I mean. If he wasn't sleepy.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Right. If you didn't come in there. Luckily, I mean, I guess unluckily, I should say. Unluckily for women, rapists aren't sleepy most of the time. Right. Usually really up and up and at them, you know, they're fucking, they're energetic. Charged up, ready to go. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Apparently the victim approved of the arrangement because didn't want to have to go through the trial and, you know, have her face out there. The Daly here says he was, this is after he had already said he was coming out for the draft this year. He said this was his last year. The police inspector that testified that Daly told him in an investigative, interview quote, I didn't mean to harm her. I never did anything like that before. That's a quote from his interrogation. This is my first time. This is my first attempted rape. I'm sorry. I don't know what I'm doing here. Wow. Okay. 1982 NBA draft. You would imagine this is going to hurt his stock a bit. That can't be good. Can't be good here, you would imagine.
Starting point is 00:43:26 Number one pick in the 1982 NBA draft, Jimmy. It's actually a very famous guy. Is it Brad Doherty? It is not. I'll give you a hint. He played at North Carolina. Oh. Oh. Shit.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Is it not Michael Jordan? It is not. He was the big deal when Michael Jordan was a freshman. He was a big dog on the team at that point. I don't know. James Worthy. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Big game, James, baby. Yeah, James Worthy. He was nasty James Worthy. Great player. Showtime Lakers. Yeah. Great player. Dang, how about that?
Starting point is 00:44:01 Right to the Lakers. within two years. They're a giant fucking deal. Oh, they were in the finals the year before, I think. You know, Magic Johnson's rookie year there was already there.
Starting point is 00:44:12 Yeah. So, I mean, they were, he was right in the middle and just joined that team. He just added to that? Added to it. Yeah, so the Lakers who were very good
Starting point is 00:44:19 had got the number one draft pick, which is a whole other story. Why is that? It's a whole long story. There's a trades and stuff like that. Then the San Diego Clippers number two overall, Terry Cummings,
Starting point is 00:44:32 Remember him? Great player. Yeah. Blazers. That's where we remember him from. Yeah, Blazers. Number three overall, guy you know very, everybody knows who he is very well. Dominique Wilkins, number three.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Yeah. Did he go to Atlanta? He did. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pick by Atlanta. Yeah, there you go. So the top three, pretty goddamn good.
Starting point is 00:44:56 It was a three pretty fucking good players. Those guys are all 1990 to 1990. Well, Worthy was already pretty well done by 94. All of them averaged over 15 points a game in their career. Wilkins had 24.8 points a game, which is almost a 25, which is great. And some of the most creative, incredible dunks you've ever seen. Oh, amazing. The human highlight reel was his nickname.
Starting point is 00:45:19 We got Terry Cummings, 16.4 points a game, but also 7.3 rebounds a game. He averaged. He was a big rebounder. And then Worthy 17.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3 assists in his career, too. Then number four overall, Dallas, who was a disastrous tire-fire shit show back then. Yeah. And for many years after. Yeah, they picked Bill Garnett from Wyoming.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Nice. Who played four years in the league and averaged 5.5 points. Not very good. Who got number five? The Kansas City Kings then draft LaSalle Thompson from Texas, who played for 15 years, but averaged 7.9 points and 6.8 rebounds. He's a career bench. He's a career bench.
Starting point is 00:46:02 He's a career bench. I can remember him on Denver for some reason. Maybe. That could be wrong about that. I see him playing for Indiana. That's possible. That's very possible. Number six overall, the New York next pick Trent Tucker,
Starting point is 00:46:17 who didn't really amount to much, 8.2 points a game for 11 seasons. Number seven overall, the Chicago Bulls. Yeah? Select Quentin Daly from San Francisco. How about it? Quentin fucking. Daly from Sanford goddamn Cisco.
Starting point is 00:46:33 That is interesting, too, that he is the next guy in line for, like, royalty at San Francisco. And he went to the place that the last guy ended up three to five years later, not much longer, right? Cartwright, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fascinating. I think it's funny, too, that they drafted him in this draft, and then they drafted Jordan
Starting point is 00:46:58 the next year. Two years later. So, isn't that interesting? Yeah, so they were looking for a shooting guard that was a dynamic electric guy. Turns out Quentin ain't the guy because they draft Michael Jordan later on. So Quentin here drafted number seven overall, a little bit, a few other guys after that. Clark Kellogg was next. Fatty Leaver, like you mentioned.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Hey, fat lover. Fat went to Portland number 11 overall here. Who else would people? Sleepy Floyd, love his name. That's another good name. I'm trying to look, Paul Pressy, guys that people might have heard of besides crazy basketball people and people like that. Not a ton, honestly. Not a lot, 82.
Starting point is 00:47:41 That really now Derek Smith. I'm looking at guys. Yeah, kind of, the draft kind of peters out after that. Yeah. That's about that. So the 82, 83 Chicago Bulls, they suck. Yeah. 28 and 54.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Coach is Paul Westhead. He was a very interesting guy, Paul Wested. He's got the running gun offense is his big deal. And in college, he made that popularize that in college and then tried to bring it to the NBA. It didn't quite work. So 28 and 54 for him there. This team, Reggie Theis is on this team. Dave Corzine, big old white guy.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Orlando Woolridge. Oh, wow. Yeah. Let's see. Quinton Daley. Dwight Jones, Dudley Bradley. Okay. So not a loaded up roster.
Starting point is 00:48:34 No. There's not a lot of question of why they finished 28 and 54 with this roster. So Quentin here, there's an article after he's drafted, and this is from the Daily Press. And it says Quinton doesn't remember encounter. That's the headline. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Although basketball star Quentin Daly pleaded guilty to assaulting a nursing student days before Christmas, he says he doesn't even remember going into her dorm room.
Starting point is 00:49:05 What? He said, quote, I feel bad about what happened to her, but I don't even remember touching her or anything. Ugh. What the fuck are you doing? Why are you saying this out loud? That's so bad. That is horrifying. Wow.
Starting point is 00:49:20 The incident and his remarks about it have made him the target of protests from women's groups in Chicago. where he was picked by the Bulls. The Bulls fans were not thrilled with this pick at all. No. There's one guy in the draft who just pled guilty to an almost rape thing, and that's the guy you picked. Thanks a lot. Yeah, good job, assholes.
Starting point is 00:49:40 So, yeah, that's their protesting outside the Chicago Center. Wow. That's just what they're doing. He said the only thing that kept him from a full and prompt apology was that he didn't remember anything he was accused of doing or else he would have just apologized. Like, that makes it all better. you traumatized this person.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Yeah. You understand she's going to have five locks on her door for the rest of her fucking life. But I said sorry. But I, but come on. I don't even remember it. I was so hammered. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:50:08 I don't remember. He said, I've never harmed anyone. I would never hurt a woman. I'm firmly against that. Oh, well, what a magnanimous asshole you are.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I am firmly against, you know, breaking into women's houses and raping them, just so you know. I do not like it. Yeah, asked why he pleaded guilty instead of going to trial. His agent set a plea bargain, quote, seemed like the only thing we could do.
Starting point is 00:50:33 The draft was only three days away and we didn't want this hanging over his head. They wanted it resolved. They didn't want, oh, he could go to prison possibly down the road. Yeah. Being in his, you know, packet of fucking shit to look at. Oh, let's see. Oh, there's his vertical leap. That's a good points per game average.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Ooh, we may be doing three to five. That's not good. I don't think that'll work. Daly said the charges did not influence his decision to leave San Francisco before his senior year. So August 16, 1982, the headline is, hate could prove to be best shot for Chicago Bulls' top draft pick. Hate? Hate.
Starting point is 00:51:14 If Quentin Daly plays his cards right, and if the management of the Chicago Bulls remains calm, Daly could turn out to be one of the biggest stars in the history of Chicago. Chicago Sports. Wow, that didn't happen. They son hate. That's really funny considering that Michael Jordan comes along two years later. That's just hilarious. And DJ Armstrong.
Starting point is 00:51:35 There's a lot of guys. So many guys are about to be there. Dick Buckus was a history of Chicago sports. Mike Singletary is about to come in there. Jim McMahon, Walter Payton, fucking Brian Erlacker. Yeah. Yeah. Good God.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Erlacker. All these guys. Fucking Devin Hester. Devin Hester. Brian Sandberg. I mean, let's go. Go to fucking Ernie Banks, for Christ's sake. Andre Dawson's about to be there.
Starting point is 00:51:57 I've never heard of this guy. Yeah. Jay Cutler was there and I know him more than you. Big Star. I know Neil Anderson more than this fucking guy. What are we talking about? I know Mike Tomzack more than this guy. I know Peter Tom Willis more than this guy. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Andre Dawson was here for Christ's sake. Oh, P.T. Dubs. Andre fucking Dawson won the MVP there in 87. Doesn't matter. Daley, as everyone must know by now, is the number one draft pick of the Chicago Bulls basketball team. Controversy is raging around him because he pleaded guilty to aggravated assault against a student nurse at the University of San Francisco. The specifics of the allegations against Daly have been printed in graphic detail. Anyone who reads newspapers or national sports magazines must realize exactly what is supposed to have gone on in the student nurse's room.
Starting point is 00:52:47 In his statements, Daly has indicated that he may believe, He wasn't really the man who assaulted the student nurse. He may believe he wasn't really the guy, maybe. What is that? That's his way of denying it while not denying it. Trying to get plausible deniability? I'm such a good guy and I'm so just go with the flow that I just pleaded guilty just to get it out of the way. And, you know, just so it's not in everybody's crawb.
Starting point is 00:53:16 But, you know, I don't even, they might not even have been me. But I did black out that night, so it could have been. It's possible. I don't remember that night. Wow. But he plea bargained to avoid going to trial to get out and with his life. Few people believe that. The consensus in the press and in the public is that Daley attacked the student nurse.
Starting point is 00:53:37 The purpose here is not to go into the merits of those arguments. The purpose is to state that whether Daley or the Bulls realize it or not, they come out of this whole mess in great shape. I don't think I thought that was the end of that sentence. Without ever having stepped onto a National Basketball Association court, Daly today is the biggest name in pro basketball. But it's because you're arguing over whether you should have picked him because he almost raped a chick. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:54:03 You're arguing over the culpability of his rape charge. Yeah. And then they go on to say, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson. None of them carries the intrigue Daly does. No, but they carry their teams to the finals all the time. That's the difference. This guy's just a tabloid ass. because of the front-page publicity,
Starting point is 00:54:22 according to the whole San Francisco attack mess, people who don't even follow pro basketball know Daly's name. Sports writers and columnists have been unprecedentedly harsh in their attacks on Daly. They've suggested that he's unfit to play professional sports in America. They've advocated that basketball fans stay away from any game in which the Bulls allow Daly onto the court. And speaking from a moral viewpoint, they're probably right. Daly apparently did a very bad thing. In a perfect world, he would not be excused for doing it.
Starting point is 00:54:53 We do not live in a perfect world. We live in the world of American marketing and professional sports is near the apex of that world. The fact is, the first time Quentin Daly steps on in the court, he will be mightily booed and cursed from the stands. But one thing is certain, every eye in the stadium will be on him. Every eye will follow him the whole game. I hate that that's our fucking currency. that attention is currency is the whole fucking problem
Starting point is 00:55:20 with the entire universe right now this started it huh well at least it was a good and prevalent then there really is I mean I don't even know when it started but I mean maybe with with radio when there's a way to market something
Starting point is 00:55:35 yeah radio or a newspaper I don't even know that still wouldn't do it the same way tracking ratings and advertisements that's what did all this if daily has the site psychological makeup to withstand the jeers, he's in a position to become an amazing pro-sports success story. Nothing succeeds in this country like notoriety, whether you're a rock band or a tennis player or an author. If you're notorious, you're a big draw.
Starting point is 00:55:59 The bland draw yawns, the nasty draws customers. Most entertainment acts that understand this, and pro sports is an entertainment act, go after their notoriety on stage in calculated ways. Daly is different. You think? Yeah. His notoriety is real. It happened offstage in the real world. It was confirmed in a court of law, but it will still be a box office draw.
Starting point is 00:56:24 Sports writers may contend that good-hearted fans will stay away from Chicago Bulls games and droves because they support the dignity of all women and abhor what Daly pleaded guilty of doing. I disagree. If Quentin Daly wins two or three basketball games in a row for the Bulls by virtue of his on-court heroics, something, there's a misperse. print here. Enths proved anything? I don't know what ends means. I think there's supposed to be hence, but there's no age in the newspaper article. Proved anything, and there's too many spaces between the comma and the hence. So yeah, there's something missing there. Proved anything. It is that the people of this country are almost ridiculously willing to forgive. Oh, yeah. If someone's been broken down, everybody will feel bad for them, even if they deserve to be where they are. Well,
Starting point is 00:57:10 Well, that's been something that we don't, that's never changed. We love watching and tearing down somebody. Building, building, loving, destroying, building back up again. Because it almost shows you. It shows you. It shows your power. That's why. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Look, I'll make them famous again. How about that? Now we like you again. Ha ha. Bet's the dollar. Yeah. No one cared about you. Now we do again.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Ding that. Every one of the Watergate characters from the president on down is a respected member of society again. Yeah, that that happened a ton. You look at what happened. Look at the results of all the Watergate people. Oh, yeah. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Most of them got book deals and TV shows and everything else. Fucking Oliver North was at a TV show for 20 fucking years. The guy, it's unbelievable. The son Peter had a huge career. He did. A big decorating career. That's what he was one of the top decorators in all the world, from what I understand. that's what I think will happen with Quentin Daly.
Starting point is 00:58:14 If he's as good on a basketball court as he is reputed to be, and no one, not even his fiercest critics, disputes that he's terrific, then he is in a remarkable position. The NBA is boring. Even its biggest stars lack magnetism. This is what they were saying a year before Jordan came in the league. The league's boring. No one. Magic Johnson lacks magnetism.
Starting point is 00:58:35 What are you crazy? He got fucking HIV and everybody still liked him. It didn't matter. Couldn't be more magnetic. The most magnetic guy out there. Quinton Daly has the chance to step in fresh and precisely because so many people already hate him to become the biggest attraction in the game. So that's where... Underdog shit, huh?
Starting point is 00:58:55 Where we're doing that here. Here is a Mary A. Mosley writing an editorial or writing a letter into the editorial department of the Chicago Tribune. And it says, I am appalled that the Chicago Bulls would... even consider drafting Quentin Daly. A man who admits assaulting a woman says he has forgotten about it and shows no remorse. To elevate Daly to a position of prominence where he
Starting point is 00:59:19 will serve as a role model for young children undermines the moral fiber of our society and is an affront to decent women and men everywhere. It's time we stopped coddling criminals. Daly may have forgotten about his crime, but I'm sure his victim has not, and neither has the public.
Starting point is 00:59:36 Yeah, the I forgot defense is that's wild. crazy. I don't think it was me, but I was blacked out, so I guess I'll plead guilty as a wild defense. I forgot. Then it goes to September 30th, 1982. He's holding out. Training camp is opening and he's holding out. Wow. Which is crazy that he would think he would want to just shut the fuck up, sign a contract, show how good he is, get past all that shit and then make money next time. But nope, that's not at all. Bulls general manager Rod Thorne said today that Daley had not signed a contract, but he voiced optimism that he was close to an agreement. So that's how it goes there. October 6th, 82, women picket Daley and the Bulls.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Uh-oh. Oh, yeah. More than 25 women members of Peoria's now chapter carried big picket signs outside the Bradley University Fieldhouse that said, neuter the bull, and rape is not a sporting proposition. Oh, my. Yeah. We want to castrate this man. And coincidentally, he signed a five-year, $1.5 million contract there as well. So he signed, sealed, and getting protested.
Starting point is 01:00:53 That's right. Right under that, by the way, there's something that you need to know. Tell me. It says roll in big block letters, big block letters. Two L-Ls or L-E? No, no, R-O-L-L. And I believe that's Dick Van Dyke, but it's in black and white and it's hard to tell. I believe there's a picture of Dick Van Dyke, and it says, that's what you should do if your clothes ever catch on fire.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Just stop, drop, and roll. The rolling will keep the fire from rising into your face and hair, and it'll squash out the flames. Right. Yeah. But this is like a new thing, stop drop and roll back then. Smother the flames, guys. We just found out that if you take its oxygen away, fire dies. It works.
Starting point is 01:01:35 And then it says under it, learn not to burn in big letters. Yeah, I'd love to. It sounds great. So November 1st, 1982, protesters are picketing. His debut, again, Daley said, I don't want to talk about what's going on outside. I'd rather talk about basketball. I appreciated the fan's response because apparently he was inside the building. They gave him a rousing ovation. Yeah. I acted like nothing was wrong here. He scored 23 points in Chicago's 20. 143 to 25 lost to Washington, and that's that. Daly said, we've all got to learn a lot.
Starting point is 01:02:15 We're 0 and 2, and there's a lot of new players and a new coach on this team. I know I've got to learn. I took some shots tonight. I shouldn't have taken. Oh. Yep.
Starting point is 01:02:24 And the pickets have members of the group called Take Back the Knight Coalition, and they were chanting, we want fair play, not foul play. Oh, which isn't very catchy. No. Quinton Daly said, oh, no, this is one of the people outside, said, we're here because we know there are a lot of impressionable people out there that emulate athletes.
Starting point is 01:02:46 We want to let everyone know that we don't accept Quentin Daly as a role model for anyone. And they insisted they were not picketing to urge Chicago to trade him. They said, we would just have to pick it whenever he came to town with another team. They want him out of the league. Oh, they want him out of the league? Yes, they want him gone. They said, if he goes to another team, then we still have to come out and pick it because he's going to come here. every once in a while.
Starting point is 01:03:09 Wow, that is interesting. They say, I think this is one of the team officials said, those people aren't the ones who are coming to the games anyway. I understand their feelings, but it might not just be toward Quentin Daly, but to the high salaries players are getting. The treasurer of the Illinois now chapter said, since his sentencing, Daley has issued conflicting statements
Starting point is 01:03:33 expressing no regret, stating that he couldn't control himself, and that he only admitted guilt to save his career. The devastating effects of this crime on its victims often remain misunderstood. And then they also go on to the, this is the president of Illinois now, said since we've been told that the ownership is considering our requests, but we feel that continued public pressure is vital to the success, successful resolution of our efforts. They're not going to trade them because people are picking, period. then December 8th, 1982, huge headline in the Tampa Bay Times, Bulls, police, searching for guard, Quentin Daly. Oh, no, he's missing?
Starting point is 01:04:16 He's been under contract for two months and he's missing and needs to be the police to find him. Awesome. Authorities have issued an all-points bulletin for Chicago rookie guard Quentin Daly who failed to show up for Tuesday night's game between the Bulls and Knicks. If you don't show up for a game, they assume you're dead somewhere. Yeah. Held hostage or you know, you gotta do, you got to show up for games. They're on TV and shit. You got to be there.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Or you're at Michael Irvin's house. Yeah, you're over there. You're at the White House there. Who was it? Down in Dallas there. Michael Irvin's place. And realized he was supposed to be there? Holy shit.
Starting point is 01:04:51 We've had that a few times. Yeah. We've had that a few times where someone goes, oh shit, it's Tuesday? Is it today? I said, fuck. I was real fucked up, right? Yeah, we've had that multiple times. One of those?
Starting point is 01:05:02 I don't think so. I don't ever remember Michael Irvin missing a game. There was a basketball game for sure. Yeah, there's a couple guys that were on like huge, like crackbenders of three days. Michael Irvin was always under control for his, he doesn't let that shit fuck with business, Michael Irvin ever. No, he show up at practice, show up at, you know, games do all that. Then all night he'd party and smoke crack and be up at eight in the morning, riproar and a go again. He's like Rick Flair, basically.
Starting point is 01:05:27 He's like the Rick Flair of football. So they go on to say, Daily, a controversial. player who pleaded guilty to the assault there was last seen about 545 p.m. by roommate Rod Higgins, a team spokesman said. Spokesman Jonathan Covler said team officials called police and requested their assistance when it was apparent that Daly had not shown up for the game. Bulls coach Paul Westhead calls Dallie's disappearance quote, bizarre and something that has me worried the same as if I were apparent. okay he was last seen going to his car in suburban Northbrook and was believed to be headed for the game so he left at the time he'd have to leave for the game going to his car and never showed up
Starting point is 01:06:13 higgins said i was wiping off my windshield when i saw quentin get into his car with his bag and he said i'll see you later so he's got his basketball appear he had his shit going daily who normally drives to chicago stadium with higgins had a date with a young lady tonight so I guess he wanted to drive his own car. Uh-oh. I guess he wanted to start the fucking date early, too. Yeah. Holy shit. December 10th, 1982, another headline, Daley harassed seeks counseling.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Shit. This is going bad. He's not even six months in the league yet. Who did he harass this time? Daley is harassed. He's the one harassed. Oh, they're harassing him. They're harassing him, and he's seeking counseling.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Uh-huh. His lawyer says he's on the brink of suicide. suicide. Oh, my. He is two months into this career. He's on the brink of suicide. I mean, part of me is very excited that they could harass him enough to, to those thoughts because he, because of what he did. But the other part of me is, I don't want him to, I don't want him to commit suicide. Nobody, you don't have to off yourself, but this is, this has gotten like, dude, it went from, I can't remember everything's fine. I don't know, something bad might have happened to He gets drafted in the top 10 lottery pick, you know, when there was a lottery.
Starting point is 01:07:34 And then within two months of signing, he's fucking seeking counseling and ready to off himself. This is not good. Yeah. Imagine you drafted this guy. He'd be like, fuck. You didn't hear this out of Jordan's rookie year. Jordan, about to off himself, seeks counseling. Do you ever hear that for Michael Jordan?
Starting point is 01:07:50 No. Fuck. It's rough. Being that, being that depressed kind of lends to maybe he remembers it. I think maybe he remembered. I don't think he's forgotten. His agent, I guess slash attorney, who was Bob Wolf, said, it's almost as if he's lost hope. Oh, man, he was granted an indefinite leave of absence to seek psychiatric counseling.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Wolf said he's been harassed so badly, almost on a daily basis. He was an all-American basketball player, and he's used to people admiring him. To go through something like this at the age of 21 was just, too much for him. To go through what? Pleading guilty to trying to rape a chick? That's what you're going through. You're going through the consequences of your action, stupid.
Starting point is 01:08:37 It's terrible stuff, though, James. Oh, it's terrible. Man, Wolf said that the guard went to a psychiatrist for the first time Wednesday, and he said he's very glad that he's getting the help. He's very much uplifted. Wow. So it's interesting. When he arrived in Chicago, he was asked whether he still thought about the student nurse,
Starting point is 01:08:59 and he said, quote, basically I don't. I had to go through the situation by myself, so I don't concern myself. Why did they ask him that question? I don't even know why you would ask that question. Do you still think about her? What? Whether he still thought about her. Yeah, they want him to say he feels bad.
Starting point is 01:09:16 I think they were serving him up some easy remorse bait. Maybe. I think they were trying to make him, I think they were trying to help, honestly, because this was a Chicago. I think they were trying to tee it up for him to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's terrible and I really hope that she's okay. I think they were teeing him up for one of those, and he came completely the other way.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Basically, I don't. Oh. I didn't consider her. Jesus. Some interpreted the response as a lack of remorse. You think, I would say. Again, I've said you think like four times already because it's obviousness. There's fucking obvious here.
Starting point is 01:09:52 And the Bulls office was inundated with protest calls. Some women's groups picketed outside the preseason exhibition games. Daly then apologized publicly. He said, I want to come back to Chicago and show people that Quentin Daly is a human being, not an animal. He's already in third person, too. I have been so down. It's unbelievable since I saw what the paper said about me. He explained that he had been so excited about being chosen by the Bulls.
Starting point is 01:10:19 He said, I thought I could put it all in the past. I felt plenty of remorse. I have felt plenty of remorse, just not now. It's a lot of me, me, me, though. There's not, that's all it is. That's not good. I felt, I think. The nursing student has since filed a $300,000 suit against him.
Starting point is 01:10:36 You knew that was coming. Oh, shit. Quentin, and why not? I mean, he did it. So, fuck it. So his attorney slash agent said, Quentin has gone through an awful siege, harassment, and abuse on a daily basis.
Starting point is 01:10:48 Poor guy. Jesus. It's almost like if you rate people. That he made a mistake, really? Yeah, it's so weird. He's been an extreme depression. It's been more and more difficult for him to cope with these things. He told me that he has seriously considered ending his life.
Starting point is 01:11:06 He's lost hope. I really hope he doesn't. Oh, goodness. And the Bulls said in a statement that in addition to his personal troubles, he's had to cope with the, quote, normal pressures on an NBA rookie. Yeah. Let's have a moment of silence for poor Quentin. He's just so besieged. Is this the beginning, though, of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, a moment of, uh, uh, a moment of, uh,
Starting point is 01:11:26 of the spotlight being on an athlete who made a mistake who... Fuck yeah. ...needs to make amends and doesn't know how? Well, back in the day of here, we're talking, you know, 60s and shit like that. You never hear about most of this shit. If this happened at a big college, they'd have told that girl to shut the fuck up. They'd have told her that fucking, they'd have given her something. They'd have paid her off a couple of bucks.
Starting point is 01:11:49 And this would have been ignored. The local cops would have been like, oh, you know, hey, maybe we get some tickets down by the court. And we don't forget about this. Like, that's how it used to be. And then this is when the media started shining a spotlight on, yeah, because this is when you're starting to get cable news and 24-hour news cycles and all that shit. ESPN, CNN, you got stuff like that. So they're needing grist for the mill here.
Starting point is 01:12:11 Yeah. And he has turned himself into some mighty fucking tempting grist for these people. All of a set of, a chunk of pulp on this guy. He really is just a big chunk of unfucking, of untampered with wheat, right? now and they're going to mush him into shit right now and turn him into Wonderbread. So, and that's how it is back then. And I mean, it's, it's been like that since then. So these guys expect it now.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Yeah. And the spotlight's even more now. But, I mean, back then, this is when it really came into it. Next up, December 16th, 82. That was December 10th, the last one. Then the 16th, Daly and roommate evicted. Oh, not good. Quinton Daley.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Jesus Christ, who's been on a leave of. absence to get psychiatric treatment has been evicted with his rookie teammate Rod Higgins from their suburban Northbrook apartment. Wow. Daly previously was rejected for three other residences. Must be that damn pesky attempted rape charge that keeps getting him. Daly's attorney, Bob Wolf, criticized the Fescent Creek Condominium Association's decision as, quote, camouflaging the real reason why, and that he and Daly would be a lot angry
Starting point is 01:13:25 if Daly had no place to go. I mean, at least he's got money and he can go, you know, whatever. Bill Foster, South Carolina basketball coach, could see limited coaching duty in a month if, oh, that's a different article. I'm like, what is his quadruple bypass surgery of anything to do with Quentin Daly?
Starting point is 01:13:42 It's just in that article. Okay. Why was he evicted? Don't know. They said that they're using it as a camouflaging the real reason why. So they gave him, whoever, too much noise.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Who knows? December 20th, 1982, he's returning to the Bulls. He's fine. 12-day leave of absence. He's had, he's gone from the brink of suicide to ready to resume daily activities in 12 days. You cannot. No. Think about that. He's, hey, you know what? He's good now. That's what it is. This is the ultimate he's good now. No, no, no, no, he's fine now. There's something else going on. There's either something else going on or, they're just trying to bury this as fast as possible to get him back on track to play. Because they drafted him sixth overall and the teams in the seventh and the teams in the shitter. They won 24 games that year. That sucks. The general manager Rod Thorne said, the doctor said this would be the best thing for him.
Starting point is 01:14:44 It would be go out where the pressure is that makes you want to kill yourself. Really immerse yourself in that. Get knee deep in it. Really dive on in there. You want to die, do you? Yeah. Go play for an NBA. team that's in the shes.
Starting point is 01:14:57 But that would, he would continue to see him, though. You think this is a team hired doctor, maybe? Possibly, yeah. If there's anybody that plays for the White Sox or the Rockies and you are on the verge of suicide, please do not play. Yeah, just it's not worth it, everybody. It's not worth it. That's what I mean for this team that sucks anyway.
Starting point is 01:15:20 It's really not worth it. It's not like, you know, oh, Christ, we're right at the top of the division and we need, we're fighting here. Wow. So they say, yeah, he failed to show up and all that. The doctor emphasized Thorne said that Quentin should be treated like any other player. He says Quentin was very upbeat when I saw him today. He'd like to get back in play. Thorne said that Daly and his doctor have talked at length about the fan's reaction, including the picketing of Bulls games by women's groups who say that Daly got off of the light sentence. Thorn said that was part of what triggered this whole thing in the first place. The doctor feels now, that Quentin will be able to handle it. If he's on the road somewhere and he's having trouble, he can call the doctor. He said, and also Rod Thorne said,
Starting point is 01:16:04 I don't think he'll be treated any differently by the club. Really? Interesting. And he said, and if anything, things figure to get tougher for him on the road. The pressure will be even worse, we expect, in the short run. But the doctor feels he'll be better able to cope and will be better able to help him.
Starting point is 01:16:23 In retrospect, we should have handled it differently, but it was uncharted waters. We did think out of, we did things out of instinct and they didn't work out. But he has to function in the athletic arena at some point to be a player. And obviously he and his doctor believe he is ready. The key thing is that he's realized he needs help. I don't think he felt like that before. Okay.
Starting point is 01:16:46 January 21st, 83. This is still his rookie year. We are still in this man's rookie year. This is so much drama for a rookie fucking year. Daily settlement near. So there's an out-of-court settlement is close between with the civil suit from the nursing student he attacked there. Now she's come out publicly, Victoria Brick, saying that the settlement will include money and a public apology by Daley, which is she said is really all she's wanted this whole fucking time that he won't give her. Yeah, that's interesting.
Starting point is 01:17:21 She was, they say several charges were dropped. We know that. when he failed to express remorse, they said basically she didn't file the suit until he came out publicly and made statements that included no remorse. That's when she filed the suit. It wasn't right away. It was, oh, you're going to act like this didn't even happen and you don't remember it. Right. Well, then fuck you.
Starting point is 01:17:39 You're going to, you'll remember it every time you look at your bank account type of deal. And then right by that is an ad. The sales, Jimmy, the sales. Sensuous intimate apparel. What? Sensuous. Weekly specials with up to. 50% reductions with attentive male and female staff and one of, I guess, Long Island,
Starting point is 01:18:01 yeah, Miniola, Long Island's largest selections of luscious lingerie, men's briefs, adult toys, games, novelties, exotic chocolates, all at low, low prices. Nice. Bachelor party and shower gifts, larger sizes. Hey, ladies, it don't even matter. Super home parties, simply gorgeous is the name of the store. Get on in there. January 31st, 1983.
Starting point is 01:18:29 Okay, here is an article, or I write in here to the letter to the editor from Kim Aury of Madison. Quote, this is from the Wisconsin State Journal. The recent New York Times News Service article on Chicago Bulls player, Quentin Daly is sickening. Oh. He commits a foul act against a woman and the press turns it into poor, poor Quentin Daly. That was the he's suesied. suicidal. Everyone feel bad for him. What about the victim? How does she spend her nights and days? What emotional stress does she go through each day? Daily should be in jail. Here is a convicted person running around loose and making big time money. When will people see that one cannot blame the victim? This man committed a foul act and got a hand slapping. A foul act. Why do they do that? Why do they do that? No wonder each day women are murdered, butchered, physically and mentally abused all the way down to children.
Starting point is 01:19:24 being hurt. As long as everyone condones actions like dailies by rewarding with multi-million dollar contracts, no one is safe. Remember, the victim could have been your wife, daughter, sister, or mother. Yeah, okay, we all think that I would hope, right? That seems right. Here we go. February 26, 1983, Daly to apologize, nurse to drop suit. She never wanted money. She wanted him to fucking own up to it. That's all she wanted, which I think is really fair. He has completed a to pay and apologize to the nurse he admitted assaulting, and she will drop a lawsuit against him in return. So he's going to pay some money. Attorney for him said a bank draft for the cash amount of the settlement was mailed to Victoria Brick.
Starting point is 01:20:08 When it is received, the suit will drop. The draft will be exchanged for the release of papers, and all parties in the suit will be free from further obligations. Next week, Daly will mail Ms. Brick an apology, a document that the lawyer said will be made public after it's received. Oh, my goodness, man. Also named in the suit to be dropped were university and its security chief as well. Oh. So, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:37 So now, during the investigation, by the way, Daley admits that he accepted a $5,000 for a no-show job at a business owned by a San Francisco University of San Francisco non-sports donor. So one of their alumni gave him five grand for work, which was a no-show job like the mob, basically. How did he get this? These are what these alumni do. They come to these guys and they go, hey, I know you're going through a hard time. I'd like to help you out. I got a job for you. You don't even have to show up for it.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Here's your pay. You get paid up front. That's what they do. No-show jobs. That's how guys on parole in the mob could go to their parole officer with pay stubs. They had no-show jobs. That's how it works. A month later, university president, Reverend John Loh-Scivo announced that he was shutting down the basketball program.
Starting point is 01:21:31 Shutting it down. Uh-oh. USF has been on NCAA probation twice in recent years, and Loshivo called the revelation about Daley's no-show job, the last straw, and shuts the program down. The program does not return until 1985. That's why we don't know shit about University of San Francisco basketball. ball. Because he tried to rape a woman. Yep, because once the program gets shut down like that, it takes decades to rebuild once it's done.
Starting point is 01:22:02 Like, look at SMU. They were a giant powerhouse. They got the NCAA death penalty. Then they came back and they, you've seen SMU in a fucking ball game that's huge. They were a national powerhouse before that. That's what happened. So, yeah, so shut down. March 3rd, 1983, Bulls rookie guard daily, a policy.
Starting point is 01:22:22 and pays $100,000 to the student he assaulted. Okay. Her lawyer said, she wants it known that Daley acknowledged responsibility for what he did to her and for the hurt and discomfort he caused her. She bears no animosity or ill will toward him. She wants him to go on with his life and intends to do with hers. All right. Yeah. So that's what she said.
Starting point is 01:22:47 A note of apology would have sufficed if you would have done it earlier. So that's pretty funny. Instead, it cost him $100,000. Wow. May 11, 1983, Bill's Quentin Daly, or Bill's, Bulls, Quentin Daly begins 10-day psychiatric evaluation. And they fire Paul Westhead as the coach as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:07 So Quentin Daly began a 10-day psychiatric evaluation at the Shepard and Enoch Pratt Hospital in Baltimore yesterday. The inpatient stay was recommended in December when Daly suffered severe. depression following all that shit here. He was granted a 12-day psychiatric leave from Chicago. Daly was placed under the care of a therapist who recommended he returned to the team, but that he undergo thorough emotional evaluation at the end of the regular season. So I guess that's what this is.
Starting point is 01:23:36 A thorough fucking emotional review here. May 31st, 1983, Daly here has entered drug rehabilitation program. Oh, now he's using drugs. That's what this was all about the whole time. Yeah. It was about drugs. That's the thing. I mean, he might have been sad, too, but he's in drug rehab in the same hospital where he was receiving therapy.
Starting point is 01:24:01 He went in there. He's talking to the psychiatrist and he says, I do Coke. And he was like, that's a problem, first of all. Can't have a psychological problem and do Coke. Is that what he's using? Yeah, we find out he's using Coke later on, which, I mean, 1983 NBA is kind of ubiquitous at that point. There's sports in general. Jesus Christ, every sport was flooded with it.
Starting point is 01:24:22 Look at the Pittsburgh case we covered in a Patreon episode. It was baseball, football, everything. So, yeah, that's what happened. The Chicago Sun Times quoted an unidentified source on the Bulls here saying that Daly was enrolled in a drug rehab program. And they said, we were aware he had a lot of problems. But the feeling was we could wait until after the season to get them taken care of. Most guys who go into programs like that come out okay.
Starting point is 01:24:51 Do they really? Most of them ended up, as we know now, they were okay for a minute and then they'd relapse again because they weren't really doing shit for them. So they said that he's in there for a complete psychiatric evaluation. His agent said it was my understanding that he went into the hospital for emotional problems because of depression. If there are other problems surfacing, I'm glad he's in the right place to receive that treatment. This guy really is earning his fucking 10%. Let me tell you something because holy shit. Now on the court, 76 games he played in.
Starting point is 01:25:26 He started 32 games. Average 27.4 points a minute, which is big for a rookie. 15.1 points a game, not bad. I mean, 3.4 rebounds, 3.7 assists. It's not terrible for a rookie at all. And he earns all rookie honors. Wow. He's on the all-rookie team here.
Starting point is 01:25:47 June 1st, 83, though, going into the next summer before the next season. The headline here is, Will Bulls Drop Daily? That's a great question. They say he may be dropped from the team or traded if his drug rehabilitation program is not successful, the Chicago Tribune reported. That's crazy that he got himself a drug habit when he already knows how volatile and I don't know, just how much of a pain in the ass it is to have him around in the first place and he's going to sprinkle this in there too? Which this is a surprise. If he gets blackout drunk to where he's out in the world not remembering what the fuck he's doing.
Starting point is 01:26:29 Right. Most of the people who can do that are alcoholics. Yeah. And alcoholics tend to be more open to being addicted to other drugs too, just statistically that works. So it would make sense. I mean like biological alcoholic as they do that. Like people who are, you know, their whole family's alcoholics and all that kind of shit. So anyway, I mean, some people can black out without it.
Starting point is 01:26:53 Don't get me wrong. But he's, they said he's been in the hospital. He's there. Rod Thorne, the GM said when Quentin finishes his program, a decision will be made. Obviously, I know why he's there, but I don't want to infringe on his rights. A trade is a possibility, but we'll have to just wait and see. Anytime a player from a team goes to that kind of program, you hope it helps. He's receiving inpatient therapy.
Starting point is 01:27:19 The funny part is that they think like if he gets out and he doesn't have coke around his nostrils, then it worked and he's cured and he's fine and get back out. They don't think like this is something you've got to look at over 10 years whether it worked or not. And when things get tough, like he's not just going to go back and lean on that again. Yeah, it's right there to lean on. Why not? July 20th, 1983. he sued. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 01:27:45 He still hasn't started his second fucking year in the NBA yet. Think about this. Who's sullian? So much goddamn drama. Yeah, he lost his co. Pete Barry, who lost his coaching job when the University of San Francisco dropped the men's basketball program, has sued Sports Illustrated, Time, Inc.,
Starting point is 01:28:04 the Chicago Bulls, and Quentin Daly. Who's Silliam? His ex-coach, University of San Francisco coach, Oh, the guy that, yeah, he got his job eliminated. Yeah. For, he's doing this for, for publishing allegedly false statements about payments to daily. That's what they're saying. That didn't happen and it cost me my job, basically.
Starting point is 01:28:28 The Superior Court suit contends he's been unable to find work as a basketball coach since his dismissal because he oversaw corrupt program, allegedly. The university dropped its highly successful program last year in the wake of the sports. Illustrated article in which Daly said he'd taken close to $5,000 from a Don's booster for a summer job, which he never worked. Daly told the sports magazine that he, that Barry had passed him $1,000 of the money. That's why. So this guy's suing saying that didn't happen. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:29:01 83, 84 bulls. Holy shit. 83, 84 bulls here. They go 27 and 55. terrible. Kevin Lockharty's the coach here. He's a decent coach on other teams, but not here, apparently. Pretty much the same lineup, this is not very good.
Starting point is 01:29:21 Put it that way. It's not good. Mitchell Wiggins, it's bad. Things are bad here. October 22nd, 1983, Bulls Daily, only he can save himself. That's the headline. One morning last June, Kevin Lockerty entered a
Starting point is 01:29:39 the green spacious grounds of the Shepherd and Enoch Pratt Hospital in Towson, Maryland. It's beautiful there, he said, but under the circumstances, the setting was eerie. He had recently been named coach of the Chicago Bulls and was going to meet one of his standout players for the first time. That's fun. At the hospital. Go down to the hospital and meet him. I got everybody else on the court.
Starting point is 01:30:01 They all took a knee. But this guy, I got to go see him in his fucking lockdown unit here. Holy shit. He said a player who was completing an eight-week treatment for drug abuse. The player was quitting daily. Coach said, I remember sitting down in a room there with Q. He was in regular street clothes and a doctor and a supervisor and the discussion was very blunt. Coach asked him questions.
Starting point is 01:30:26 And he said, Q said he was clean. And he said a lot of good things that made you want to believe him that he had matured and understood where he went wrong. And honestly, I felt sorry for him. I know he was kind of embarrassed to meet me for the first time like this, but a natural reaction is also, is this a con job? Is he just telling me what he thinks I want to hear? You know, like a drug addict. I've had players try to con me before.
Starting point is 01:30:51 Like one guy, he denied right to my face that he drank to excess. But every day, he'd take a bottle of vodka up to his room, and this guy kicked the habit. Well, with Q, it all boiled down to can he overcome his problems? And if he does, he can be one of the best players in the, league. He's definitely one of the most talented. Yeah. So Daley called the whole thing, his rookie year, maybe not a nightmare, but something I will never forget. He said, I felt like alone. I felt like I was garbage. Yeah. Yeah, rape charges will do that to you. That's kind of the idea, man. I was scared and didn't want to admit it to myself, and there were people who I knew wanted
Starting point is 01:31:31 to help me, but I just wasn't able to open up to anyone. I let them get just close enough to me, and then an invisible sheet of glass went up. And then I snorted a line off of it. Yeah. Once it came up, I was like, ooh, that's perfect. Chop, top, top. That is the other thing about what they just compared this to. I knew a guy that could take a bottle of vodka up to his room every night, but he kicked the habit.
Starting point is 01:31:53 There's a difference between that hold on you and cocaine. And cocaine. Cocaine is different. I mean, boozele, it's drugs and alcohol. It's very similar, yes. Yeah. Alcohol is not such that it's just a. different thing to kick.
Starting point is 01:32:08 Yeah. Honestly, if you ask me and just people I've talked to, booze is harder to kick because it's everywhere. Well, yeah. It's very easy to get a drink. It's very, Coke you have to look for. You can sit in your house and say, I'm not going to get any Coke. But like, you can, you go to any restaurant and they ask you what you want to drink
Starting point is 01:32:25 and you can, right there, you can blow your whole shit. You know what I mean? It couldn't be more obvious, though, when you're drunk versus cocaine. That's another problem. Yeah, that's true. If you're balancing it and not. just getting obliterated. I think, too, when people start doing Coke, it makes them feel good.
Starting point is 01:32:42 Yeah. They feel like fucking Superman. And it's pretty good for them for the first little while. Sure. Like, it doesn't hurt them. It actually helps them. They do things faster. They are a little more efficient.
Starting point is 01:32:53 They do better. More alert, that's for sure. Whereas booze, you're never doing any better when you're drunk. You know what I mean? That never happens. It's just a way to, you know, make the pain go away. Whereas. Yeah, but it also emphasizes.
Starting point is 01:33:06 your senses with Coke and you're a much better driver. You know what I mean? You're a much better. On a lot of things. With booze, you are, you will never be a much better driver. No. And there's a lot of things on Coke you feel like you're doing better. And so people get into that.
Starting point is 01:33:24 And then once they're on it a lot, then you're doing everything much, much worse. But you don't realize it. You don't see it until you see it. That's absolutely right. So Daley said, yeah, I know people were saying and writing terrible things about me and I felt all of it. And I have the, I have to be big enough to take responsibility for my actions. Only Quentin Daly gets Quentin Daly in trouble. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:33:49 Oh, boy. Here we go. You better get yourself about 120 stolen bases in a season before you start referring to yourself in the third person here. Get yourself a ring. Fuck. Yeah, or a ring. I was just thinking Ricky Henderson style. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:02 So, yeah, he came to the Bulls mid-season rookie camp looking puffy with extra weight. Not an unusual result after drugs are flush from the system. He now appears trim. Good. Things began to change slowly for daily. One moment stands out. A prayer service before a game in mid-season. Julius Dr. J. Irving, the 76ers veteran star, fucking Dr. J. was still playing.
Starting point is 01:34:27 Yeah. Said Quinton, how about buying me dinner tonight? And Daly said, I couldn't believe it. The doc wants to go with me, a superstar asking a young buck, and I didn't really know him very well. But he made me feel like I was accepted, like I was something. We had a good talk. And then one of us went and snorted some coke afterwards, and it wasn't Dr. Jay. Daly said that reading about the similar problems of other players has also given him insight into himself.
Starting point is 01:34:55 He said, I thought of the tremendous amount of money they're making. and that it seems to that they're just throwing it away, not just to the dopers, but throwing away their futures in basketball too. Where else can they make this kind of money? Nowhere. I thought they've got to be idiots. Then I realized, hey, I'm one of them. Hey, I'm a dipshit. Well, these guys got to be stupid.
Starting point is 01:35:16 Oh, man. Hey, hold on a minute. Then once I got through the Coke, I saw in the mirror. There I am. All right. December 25th, 1983. Christmas Day. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:30 From the Poughkeepsie Journal there, Hometown Paper. Daley, back on track, working hard to put his past into perspective. Everybody, I'd like to tell you, he's good now. Okay.
Starting point is 01:35:42 This is officially his, this is, he's good now from the AP. So this article goes to every goddamn newspaper in fucking America. On his way to the top, Quentin Daly forgot that the law of gravity was his law, too.
Starting point is 01:35:56 And that talent begets money but does not cushion all of life's falls. Yeah, that's true. He hit bottom in December of 82, seduced on one side by drugs, cut deeply on the other side by personal problems, Daley plunged from the top of the college basketball world to the brink of despair,
Starting point is 01:36:15 and all the talent in the world couldn't make him whole. The climb back up consumed nearly a year of his young life, beginning, he says, with the realization last summer, that only Quentin Daly is responsible for Quentin Daly. Daly, quote, unquote. Quote, I felt like I'd lost myself. I feel like I have that back, but there's long way left to travel.
Starting point is 01:36:35 I can't have half of Q together. Now he's using his own nickname. That's even worse. I can't have half of Q together and have the other half go off and do some the same terrible things. I picture he just broke himself into two halves. And he's like, no, no, you get back here. You got to stay in the night. Basketball, again, is the center of Daly's life.
Starting point is 01:36:57 after a period in which courtroom, street protests, drugs, and finally physical and emotional therapy made up his world. Talent eased the first great hurt of Daly's life, the death of his parents within a short time of each other when he was 14, and he had every reason to believe it would do so forever, because when Quentin Daly wrapped his hands around a basketball, he was invincible. And the respect, the agulation, the gifts accorded Daley,
Starting point is 01:37:22 the basketball star helped him forget the bitterness, the poverty and the loss, Daly the young man knew. He said, quote, talent will change your mind like night today. If you fly in an airplane and look down, you see little people. But if you're an athlete,
Starting point is 01:37:39 always pampered, always noticed, always catered to, your thinking gets twisted. You get to thinking crazy things like, all those people down there are looking up at you. What the fuck? Yet until the warm June day,
Starting point is 01:37:55 Daly found himself alone in a Maryland clinic being treated for emotional distress and drug dependence, there's always been enough talent and hangers on to support that line of thought. The Bull's coach, Lockerty, said, it's hard for someone outside our game to appreciate what Q was going through. You see a young kid with money and you think, I'd like to have his problems, but it's not that simple. A kid's maturity's got a lot to do with his background.
Starting point is 01:38:20 The really gifted ones like Q grow up and little by little somebody takes over everything for them. one day they're on their own. And keeping your head in fast company isn't that easy. You look at the rest of the world and see that. Yeah. And he's got a lot of money, sure, but he's got a vicious coke habit. He's got a nasty coke habit and he's got the money to fucking back it up.
Starting point is 01:38:42 And if you're pissed off and you get out of the thing and you have to drive away and people are calling and yelling at you, you can go home, do a bunch of coke and feel better. Nothing about them for a second. There you go. So that's how that goes. he says though I was arrogant I put up this front that people couldn't get close to me and no closer I wanted to stay away from bad people
Starting point is 01:39:03 but I ended up keeping out the good people too oh man he also says everyone's mind has a curiosity and this was something I found that I liked but there comes a time when you've got to say you're stronger than it you're stronger than or it's stronger than you meaning cocaine
Starting point is 01:39:22 he played well, they're saying last season at the end of the season, he began the treatment. He said, there, I learned to see things more for what they are, that I thought of myself one way and behaved another, that I had maybe the best job in the whole world, and then if I mess that up, I've got nobody to blame but myself. There you go.
Starting point is 01:39:42 That's it right there. Unburdened by his drug habit and sleeker and faster because of it, Daly is playing the best basketball of his career. His numbers speak well, 16 points, four assists, but don't reflect the increased leadership role he's taken on the floor. His coach said he's been terrific in every way, working hard all the time and doing everything we've asked of him. March 25th, 84, this is just, this is the off season of fluff pieces,
Starting point is 01:40:10 or the season of fluff. Oh, you got to gas him up to get him going. He's so fluffy, he just got out of the dryer. He's got a bounce sheet stuck to him. He is fluffy. Dally's bullish on succeeding in, Chicago is what it says March 24th, 84. And he says last year was the worst year of my life, but this year is much better.
Starting point is 01:40:32 Yeah, talking about the internal pressures. And, you know, he also said that he was a starter for the Bulls at the beginning of the season, but when Chicago went five and 14 in the opening month, his new coach decided to bench him. He didn't like the demotion, but later saw it as a positive move. His response off the bench helped Chicago go on a winning streak and become. apparently competitive, which won't last. This is still the season's going.
Starting point is 01:40:59 He said, I didn't like not starting at first, but then I got used to it. When you're coming off the bench, you get a better idea of what's going on in the game. You're also coming in fresh against the other team starters. So he said the coach said he wasn't punishing Daly for any of the court stuff. He just wanted to have a strong sixth man on the bench. Okay. He said, I know every professional player likes to start, but in Quentin's case, it wasn't that he wasn't playing well or anything of the sort. I just wanted a strong guard to come off the bench to give us a lift, and that's what he's done.
Starting point is 01:41:29 They said he's had as much playing time as he did last year. That's not even the problem. They said he's worked well with rookie guards, Innes Watley, and Mitchell Wiggins, to give the Bulls the youngest back court and pro basketball. Wow. He said, I kind of give them some tips. He said, I feel I like the leadership role. Okay. It's all about to end, my friend.
Starting point is 01:41:52 It's all about to end. they said, the Bulls will answer off to ask questions concerning his personal life. And he says, I guess I understand it. But I have tried to do some things in the community to show that I care about playing in Chicago. He's made visits to local hospitals and has advised the city's youth about the problems of becoming a professional athlete and the temptations that are involved. He said, Dr. J was the one who showed me what kind of leadership role you can give to younger athletes. when someone like that has the time to try to help you, you listen. And I hope I've been able to pass on some of those things.
Starting point is 01:42:27 Wow. He said, I know our crowds haven't been big. That's about to change in the next couple of years. But I know that people are behind me and I want to see the team do well and myself. I think there are people who want very much to see our team finally succeed. Well, he finally learned how to give a bullshit quote to the newsman. He finally took that Bull Durham Kevin Kozner class where he said, you know, one day at a time and God willing
Starting point is 01:42:52 come out the next day and we'll win again. Like he's finally learned. Yeah. Yeah. And God willing. I love him Tim Brown. Hold on a minute. God willing.
Starting point is 01:43:00 Yeah. So that's what he said. He's ready to go. Use S.F. By the way, his college has since decided to reinstate the college basketball program for 85. Oh. So in April of 84, another fluff piece,
Starting point is 01:43:16 the long road back. And then it says, this thing won't whip me, he says. Oh. My God. He said he still, it says in this article,
Starting point is 01:43:25 he's still suspicious of strangers. And that encompasses everyone from writers looking for a story about his guilty plea to an attempted rape to the street vermin that would put his name on the back of their drug lists. So that's what drug dealers do. What a terrible thing to have written about you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:41 That's what drug dealers do, by the way. They have drug lists. Yeah. This is my drug list and they write it all down. Put him on the drug list. You know. that way, if I get caught, you know, I'll have all everybody's name right there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:55 He said, maybe that's partially why, against all odds, the Chicago Bulls' second-year guard successfully made it through year one of the straight life, and along the way, established himself as a coming star in the NBA. Since becoming a starter in mid-March, he's averaged close to 26 points a game, including 44 against the Knicks on Monday night. Shit. He could fucking play. That's the thing.
Starting point is 01:44:17 He said, I definitely had something to prove to a lot of people. people. I've learned to use some of the avenues open to me. So, yeah, he said, I told Rod, Rod Thorne, the GM, that I would like to take a urine test. Because he said that basically, he went through a three-week period of poor play in late January and early February. And Thorne, whose blunt demeanor with Daly has sparked several lively arguments between the two, quote unquote, accused Daly of using drugs again. If that were true, it would have meant Daly's career was finished. He said, I told him. old rod that I would take a urine test right now. I'll still take one anytime they want me to. To go back on drugs
Starting point is 01:44:56 would be to accept defeat and I won't do that. Why should I mess myself up again? I won't let this thing whip me. That's how stubborn I am. Yeah. Yeah. But they said that the fact remained that Daly was pouting during his down times
Starting point is 01:45:12 as the sixth man. That made Thorne unhappy enough to talk of trading him. Daly's recent surge, however, has put a trade on hold at least temporary Daley said, I'm not playing the way I have been out of spite for the way things are going. What? I'm not playing the way I have been out of spite.
Starting point is 01:45:29 I'm not playing well just to spite anybody. I'm doing it for me. I'm a score and I always have been. So I roll. Yeah. He said, there's a lot of guys in this league with more talent than me, but they don't have my heart. That's what he said.
Starting point is 01:45:43 He said, that's how you do it. He said, that's, he said, the article says, that explains the fact that he won't take the easy way out and claim the memories from college drove him to free base cocaine. Rather, he'll admit drugs had been a part of his life for a while. Uh-oh. That's more like it. He said, my wanting to isolate myself from everyone wasn't a form of drug behavior, but wall was already there. I isolated myself two summers ago and nothing could penetrate it. That's just the attitude I had for a long time going back to high school. I found out the hard way that sometimes your friends can turn on you. I was so full of bitterness because of what happened at U.S.
Starting point is 01:46:19 that I wasn't listening to anything people were trying to tell me. I'm a bullheaded, stubborn, whatever you want to call it. Somebody would say something to me, and I'd tell them that they weren't my mom or dad. They're dead. How about it? Yeah. I was taking drugs last season, and I knew I wasn't performing up to my capabilities. I didn't even talk to Rod about it, and I considered him to be my best friend.
Starting point is 01:46:41 I'd just put on my Walkman and work on my crossword puzzles. I was numb. I lost all my feelings. I was hurt so bad. I didn't feel anything anymore. Wow. Okay. Numb.
Starting point is 01:46:52 He said he missed the games last year. He said people were coming to the games just to cuss me out, to throw things, to pick it. The frustration just builds up and builds up until you feel like you're going to kill yourself or you're going to go out and shoot somebody. I just couldn't take it anymore. Before he reached his breaking point, Reggie Jackson tried to help. Say again? Fucking Mr. October tried to help. Jackson, whose niece Wanda Burton, is Daly's girlfriend, still apparently.
Starting point is 01:47:19 ran into a stone wall. He said, Reggie was one of the friends I didn't take advantage of. He tried to help me, but I wouldn't listen. He put his hand out, but I was reaching somewhere else. So he credits Dr. Jay. He said, he got me at the right time and I listened to him. He said that was for the beginning of his turnaround, but he only consented to enter the hospital after a battle with Bulls Management.
Starting point is 01:47:42 So, yeah, he said, that's what got me on the right track, but it wasn't because he still had, he was still fucking up. He said that to Daly's way of thinking, the doctors didn't do the work. Quentin Daly did. He said it was more of a teaching tool than anything else. I went through my teenage years without a parent and I was naive in a lot of ways. They taught me things I should have learned when I was 15, 16, 17. I know doctors aren't going to like this, but drugs start with an attitude and doctors don't work enough finding out what, finding out why somebody starts taking them in the first place.
Starting point is 01:48:15 Yeah. Daly's older brother, Tony, who moved in with him last December, has given plenty of support, and most of the crowd abuse Daly took last year has quieted down. Then there are the home crowds. He said, I'd love to have the fans in Chicago like me as much as anybody else would, but I know it's never going to be. Oh. He said something else that won't happen is his escaping Rod Thorne scrutiny.
Starting point is 01:48:40 He said he's still going to have to prove over a period of time that he's all right, not just for three weeks, Thorne said. Bernard King has done it for four years, and we know how that worked turned out. Got a look-back episode of Grime and Sports on Bernard King. But any time a player who's had the problems he's had, you have to watch him. Daly said, I'm always going to be looked at like that,
Starting point is 01:49:01 and I expect it. You know that song by Rockwell? Somebody's watching me, which was a very popular song at the time. Somebody's watching me. Michael Jackson hook. That's why it was popular. Oh, is that who it was? That's why it's popular, yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:14 Because he's Quincy Jones' son, I want to say, Rockwell. He's either his son or his nephew or something. Wow. So for his song, he got Michael Jackson to sing the hook. Wow. Which made everyone think it was a Michael Jackson song. They didn't even know it was Rockwell. I thought it was a Michael Jackson song.
Starting point is 01:49:30 And it sold lots of records. And then he tried to make another song that didn't have Michael Jackson. And the shit didn't work out so well. Yeah. He said, that's what I feel like. I'm the underdog. Somebody's always watching me. All right.
Starting point is 01:49:43 Okay. Is that really what it is, though? I don't know. Are you the underdog? You can call yourself anything, really. You really can be full of shit, but, I mean, you've created all of this. You've created, if you take away the rape charge and you take away the Coke, he's fine. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:05 Nobody made him go into some chick's room and nobody put coke up his nose, so, or even worse, made him free base it, which takes effort. I mean, that's crazy. He forced him to do anything that he's in trouble for. No. And also, that means he'd been doing Coke a lot longer than a year because you wouldn't be free basing already. No. That takes a little while to get into, whereas snorting it isn't doing it anymore. I need something more harsh.
Starting point is 01:50:31 So 83, 84, he plays in 82 games, starts 42 of them, 29.9 minutes a game, not bad, 18.2 points a game. That is getting into elite territory there. And also 2.9 rebounds and 3.1 assists. And 1.3 steals a game, too, which is pretty good defense. Right. Yeah. That's not bad. 1984, July 14th, 1984, Olympians triumph.
Starting point is 01:51:00 The U.S. Olympic basketball team defeated a squad of National Basketball Association players 94 to 78 in a contest punctuated loudly throughout by U.S. coach Bobby Knight's tirades against the officials. So this day had a pretty goddamn day. They basically had the dream team, but when they were still in college. It's Michael Jordan. It's Chris Mullen. It's all the same guys around the dream team pretty much. Except Bobby Knight cut Charles Barkley, even though everybody said he was the best player in the Olympic camp.
Starting point is 01:51:29 He cut him because he was fat and had an attitude and didn't like him. Hilarious. Chris Mullen of St. John's had 18 points. Alvin Robertson, there's another crime and sports alumni of Arkansas had 13. Michael Jordan of North Carolina had 12, and Sam Perkins. I love Sam Perkins, had 10 for the Olympians. Quentin Daly of the Bulls led the pros with 17, and Terry Cummings had 15. There you go.
Starting point is 01:51:54 Right under that, there's an ad, Jimmy. The storm is breaking. Is it? The Buffalo Storm versus the Charlotte Gold in what looks like minor league hockey. Or not hockey, soccer, soccer. Oh. Yeah. Then it's also WBLK breakdance night down at the game.
Starting point is 01:52:14 Yeah. So 1984. See over 20 groups compete in Buffalo's biggest breakdance preliminary. The top three will return for an encore performance at halftime. Awesome. 3 p.m. the breakdancing begins. 605 p.m. is soccer kickoff. Ticket prices, $5 for adults, $3 for kids and seniors.
Starting point is 01:52:37 Holy shit. 84, 85 bulls, 38 and 44. Lockery's still the coach. Rod Thorne gets shit-can halfway through this, though. And this is Michael Jordan's rookie year. There we go. They draft Michael Jordan number, you know,
Starting point is 01:52:53 he's drafted high here. Was he three? Because it was Bowie first. Yeah. They draft him first. There was a two. It was a two because Bowie went and then it was a buoy Elajuan him.
Starting point is 01:53:05 There you go. Boom, boom, boom. Okay. Yeah, because, I mean, If you can get Akeem, you're getting Akeem too. And I don't think they are really all that sorry that they didn't pick Jordan. Even though Jordan was great, obviously. I think Akeem was just as great for the Rockets for a long time.
Starting point is 01:53:19 I don't know that the Rockets could have utilized him as well as they utilized Akeem. Yeah, they threw him right in there. So this year, now this is, he's drafted at the same position as Daly. That's a problem. Because Jordan plays in 82 games this year and starts all three. fucking 82. Uh-oh. He starts 82 fucking games, which means Quentin Daly has zero starts this year, not one.
Starting point is 01:53:46 79 games, zero fucking starts. Uh-oh. And Jordan's playing 38.3 minutes a game. It's his position, period. Jordan was rookie of the year, All-Star, and sixth in the MVP voting that year. Which is... That's a threat. That's a threat.
Starting point is 01:54:03 And Quentin was sixth in the sixth man of the year voting, because now he's a sixth man. That's all he can be. It's fine. But it's his third year. He wants to be a star. He's not, you know what I mean? This is bad. And October 30th, 1984, in this season, Quentin Daly absent as Bulls win.
Starting point is 01:54:24 Here we go. For the second time since he became a member of the Bulls, Guard Quintendalee failed to appear for a game, leaving the team's management to try to figure out what had happened to him. What do you think happened to him? I got to guess. He was, I guess, as the team's sixth man scored 25 points to help Chicago win its season opener Friday night, then did not report for last night's game in which the Bulls defeated the Bucks 116, 110. Maybe he was just pissed off about fucking Jordan taking over.
Starting point is 01:54:58 Taking his job. Yeah. Now there's a rookie and that's all anybody cares about. And guess who he is now? That guy we drafted a few years ago. Yeah. That rapist Coke had. That means not even the attention.
Starting point is 01:55:09 They said a man identifying himself as Daly's brother, Tony, called Chicago Stadium about 6 p.m. saying Daly had overslept and would be there late. Then at 7 p.m., a similar call came, saying Daly was sick and would not be at the game. You cannot have your brother call you into an NBA game. Call me into Chicago Bulls. Call me in sick. This is not a shift at Waffle House. We're playing a game tonight.
Starting point is 01:55:34 This is wild. Yeah. Thorne said, we don't know what happened or what's going on. We want to find out not just for the good of the team, but for Daley himself. They said the Bulls did fine without Daly. Rookie Michael Jordan scored 22 of his game high 37 points in the final quarter to rally the Bulls from a six-point deficit. Oh, no. He did it from the beginning.
Starting point is 01:55:56 It is too early to tell how good Michael Jordan is, or is going to be. But tonight, he sure had the hot hand, guard Sidney Moncrief said, the Bucks. I think he did something that few players can do upon entering the league, and that is to study his opponents and learn by their mistakes, Moncrief added. And coach Don Nelson of the Bucks said, we did everything we could to stop Jordan, but our double teaming efforts proved futile. He was dominating from fucking jump. He's too good already. Yep. October 31st, 1984, Halloween, troubled Daly, depressed again, is the new headline here. He missed one game and a team flight because of unspecified personal problems.
Starting point is 01:56:42 Daly, who failed to show up for the team's game in Chicago against Milwaukee on Monday night, played 14 minutes in the Bulls 109-104 NBA victory Tuesday night over the Kings. The guard scored eight points on four of ten shooting. from the floor. On Tuesday morning, Daly missed the Bulls team flight to Kansas City. He took an afternoon flight to Kansas City after meeting in Chicago with vice president and operating officer Jonathan Kovler and general manager Rod Thorne. Daly had no comment on his absences, but Thorne said Daly's reason for missing the game
Starting point is 01:57:17 in the flight, quote, had been building up for some time. Thorne said the team allows absences for dire emergencies, and in Quentin's mind, he had a dire emergency. They said he has been fine substantially, the coach said. He had personal problems not related to drugs or alcohol. Okay. Okay. I don't know about that here. We'll talk about it. His lawyer slash agent, Wolf here, said that he talked to him and described the conversation as personal and said, hopefully this won't happen again. I know Quentin just wanted to get back to playing. He doesn't need any more turmoil in his life. No, he fucking doesn't. November 6, 1984, here's Daly again. They say Daley bolts the bullpen,
Starting point is 01:58:11 bull, pen, in two separate words. This is an article here. They say, quote, this nobody asked me, but aren't the Chicago Bulls praying they can find a way to keep Quentin Daly tightly wrapped in the face of some pretty bad odds? Daly has already gone AWOL once this season, and the Bulls insist drugs had nothing to do with it. The problem with the troubled guard this time is his inability to deal with the publicity Michael Jordan is receiving. Literally broke his fucking brain. Because in college, he's the star.
Starting point is 01:58:42 In high school, he's the star. He shows up, first round draft pick, all attention on him. They're picketing him outside. Even negative attention, it's attention. Now it's like, do we still have him? How long did Michael Jordan play at North Carolina? Was it one year or two years or did he play four? They definitely didn't play four.
Starting point is 01:59:00 No way, right? He came out early, yeah. Yeah. So he came out early. So he also. He was a freshman when Worthy was a senior. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:59:08 Because that big shot he hit in that tournament game, that was as a freshman. That was the end of his freshman year. Okay. So he probably played at least two years. But my point is that when he got drafted, Jordan was at North Carolina just starting his career there. So he didn't compete with him much in college. So when he got drafted, Jordan wasn't even a thing yet. But he was an all-American. Jordan was a freshman. Right. So it was, but it was a blink. So he fucked up. Daley makes one mistake. I mean,
Starting point is 01:59:44 it's a big mistake. But he made a big mistake in college, which led to a little bit of ugly for a while in his first year in the NBA. And now, Jordan's killing it in college at this point. Oh, yeah, he came out. I mean, he was a guy. Unless they had two gigantic big men that went first. And back then he went for a big man first. If it wasn't for them, he was definitely number one overall.
Starting point is 02:00:08 So now he's killing it in college. And now Daly's already made mistakes and put himself behind the A ball. And the Bulls are in a position to draft the best player in the NBA history. Well, Jordan was getting better and better those years in college. He was fucking up. Making mistake after mistake after mistake. Yep, that's it. Man, the tragedy.
Starting point is 02:00:34 It's just so goddamn sad. And now he's jealous, which is not good. No. That's going to eat your ass up inside, man. You can't play and contribute at a level of professional when you're jealous. No, if you're angry at the guy on your team who's scoring the most points, that's not going to work. and took your position. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 02:00:56 Yeah. It's like an opening comic being mad at the headliner because he's crushing and that's his spot. It's like, well, you know, I don't know. What do you want? You don't want him to be funny? So the article goes on to say, sure, it sounds juvenile, but those closest to the team swear that's the problem and they don't think it's funny. Daly has agreed to see a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, and an attempt to resolve his problems, which have him a step out of beat with everyone else in an attempt, some say, to gain a
Starting point is 02:01:23 attention too. That's a bad way to gain attention. Passing through Chicago on my way to Cleveland, I sat in on the daily phenomenon, meaning Quentin Daly, not every day daily, during Monday's practice. He was the last man in the locker room, skipped shooting practice, while his teammates did stretching exercises. He walked over and began working on the cycling machine, joined them briefly for stretching, then began isometrics against a wall. When the rest of the team began isometrics, he picked up a basketball and dribbled away from the crowd. The writer for the team that covers them every day said, a typical morning for Quentin.
Starting point is 02:02:03 Yeah. He's a dick. Wow. He's a fucking, he's a whiny, you know. He's not going to get better. No, he's a malcontent, period. So let's leave it right there. he's upset.
Starting point is 02:02:18 Jordan just showed up. He's only been in the league two years, guys. This is fucking crazy. This is only his third year in the league. This is insane. So there's a lot going on with Clinton Daley. Plenty more Coke, plenty more problems. What a fascinating fellow.
Starting point is 02:02:33 Plenty more being good now. Plenty more of everything coming your way here. Never heard of him. It's wild, isn't it? So, yeah, this is, he's going to fucking start attacking the Bulls coaches when we come back next time, which is a lot of fun. I can't wait for that. That always goes well.
Starting point is 02:02:48 Yeah. That not only endears you to them, it really endears you to the other teams that might be interested in you, too, because they want a guy who's going to yell at them all the time and call them assholes. So anyway, there you go, everybody. That's Quentin Daly, part one. Yeah. I think we've come out of the gate pretty hot here with Quentin.
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