Crime in Sports - Fat Moses - Quintin Dailey - Part 3

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

This week, we finish up this crazy tale of a basketball player, that seemed to be working against his own interests. He is signed with a new team, but is deemed "too fat to play", and suspended. His attitude continues to be a problem, until the NBA has finally had enough. He ends up kicking around some other leagues, until finally actually turning his life around, and spending his time working with kids, and maybe, making a real difference. The shocking end to this story may actually leave you a little sad!!   Be deemed "too fat to play" by the worst team in the league, be mad at coaches for not playing you, even though you're not playing well, and try to turn it all around by coaching kids to stay away from, gangs & drugs with Quintin Dailey - Part 3!!   Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports [e-mail]

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to crime in sports. Yay! Yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petro Gallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today for part three of Quentin Daly.

I'm going to finish this one up today and then start some other crazy stuff next week. Very excited for this. This has been a fun one. I'm enjoying Quentin Daly. He's a... I don't want him to leave. No, I don't either. I'm going to miss them, to be honest with you.

I love the guys that just keep ebbing and flowing. I'm good now. I'm a disaster. No, now I'm fine. No, now I'm not. I just love that. Actively trying to make their career non-existent. Just, I mean, with so much force and so much just wants.

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Yeah? A lot of fluff. Absolutely. This is a big fluff piece is about how, you know, he had it all, and he almost lost it, and now he's so much better. And, you know, he's married to a woman named Angela now, and everything's wonderful. And she, you know, she never had any idea. He did drugs, because he never did drugs at home, only out in the world. And it was, a lot going on. So then May 11th, 1988, it is rap for peace. May as well. Rap for

peace. Now, he plays for the clippers at this point, so he's in L.A. And this is a it's the headline of the article, is rap for peace event offers gang alternatives. You can rap instead. 1988 88 rapping. Oh, boy.

Oh, my. In response to the escalating gang violence in the Los Angeles area, the L.A. Games Committee and the Community Youth Gang Services will bring together California Youth on Friday in efforts to promote peace and brotherhood as an alternative to gang membership. Yeah. Yeah, that didn't work for quite a while, I would say. The RAP for Peace Symposium, emceeed by the Los Angeles' Clippers Quentin Daly.

What? Where do they pick him out of their asses to do this? He's the MC. He's the MC of this event. Why him? how many Lakers How many

Lakers Clippers Dodgers Angels there's so many athletes King I don't think

you're going to have any Kings players on rap for peace We're going to bring in Wayne Gretzky to introduce

some people here we're going to bring in Canadian white people to talk about how you guys should stop

shooting each other that works Be nice Be nice Why can't you just be nice like us What the hell

I'll bring some Canadians And that'll Canadians are nice Yeah they'll end up getting shot So

that and K-A-B-C traffic watch reporter Captain Jorge Jaron or Yaron. Captain. Captain. Because he's a plane. He's a helicopter pilot. Yeah. We'll see junior high and high school age. Oh, Christ, this isn't even adults.

This is children. Oh, my God. These are children. Imagine 12-year-olds in 1988 rapping to you about how you shouldn't be in a gang. Holy fuck. I think I'd kill myself. I would halfway through the performance, I'd join three gangs. I'd be pretty mad.

And so many gangs by the end of this performance. So, we'll youth performing original rap songs, and rap is in quotes. Like, it's a thing that's like this, a new phrase. We'll perform original,

quote, rap songs with a positive theme of peace. A quote rap song. Yeah, quote, rap. Ripety, rippity, rap rap.

Oh, my God. That is so funny. The youths have been competing in Southern California, preliminaries for six months to get to this stage. The groups hope to target the more than 500 schools from the greater Los Angeles area. And the events begin at 2 p.m. What?

At the 7-11 Olympic Velladrome at California State University Dominguez Hills. Okay. So he did that. He emceed. That year, he plays in 67 games for the Clippers. That's 87-88. Starts seven games, 19.1 points per. game, or minutes per game, so his minutes are way down.

13.4 points a game, 2.3 rebounds. So, so contributing, even with limited time. Yeah, you put him out there, he'll score. That's the thing. Yeah. Doesn't matter if he's fat, doesn't matter if he's on Coke. If you put him out there... Yeah, he'll score the ball. I mean, it's just, it's like Bernard King. You know what I mean, except Bernard King was a bunch of better player. But Bernard King, no matter what he was on, no matter whatever it is, you give him the ball, he's going for 30. I mean, that's it's just the way it works.

Whinton makes $135 grand that year. Oh. Which, you know, for NBA players isn't that much, but for, you know, for like regular work, that's a lot of money in 1988. So. August 16, 1988, 1988, the Niagara Falls Review, this paper's from. And it says, are fans important? A reader asks, would the game be different if there were no fans in the arena? That's the question.

and they're asking different players this. So Quentin Daly's got an answer here for this. Our fan's important. It's a great question. It is. I think they are. I think they are, Joe. Well, it depends.

Well, I don't know. If you watch those bubble games, they were fucking awful. You know what I mean? Terrible. If you're doing something that needs an audience, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, in 2020, we realized sports is one of those things. Right.

Because those games with no people were fucking unwatchable. That sucked. That was unwatchable. It was terrible. And I've seen, like, in wrestling, they tried to do dark matches, not dark matches, like before the show actually starts. It's a dark match. But they've tried to do matches with no people in them. There's a famous one from the 80s.

I think Terry Funk and Jerry Lawler, maybe, somebody like that. And there's, uh, they did it in the 90s, too. It's just bad. WWE did it. It's terrible. Yeah. The guys need something to feed off of. People need, I mean, we're comedians.

Obviously, if there's no audience, you have nothing. That's the worst. You have nothing at that point. You're just talking. yourself, which is crazy. Even during the lockdown, when they put cars and people in cars and drive-ins and were honking for a plus. That ain't it.

That ain't it. Can't do it. Can't do it. Can't do it. There's an energy. That sucks. No. You're just putting it out there and you're going, ah, you might as well go out in your yard

and yell into the stars and expect something. Just go yell at traffic. There'll be horns. People will beep. They will. Yeah. So Quentin says a lot of people in this league are showmen. Those guys need the fans to motivate them.

sometimes I'm one of those guys. Sometimes. I don't know about that though, too. And I'm not sure if, I don't know. Because you play, plenty of guys play on playgrounds with nobody watching and they play just as fucking hard and they play to shit on the other guy and to beat the other guy and be able to talk shit about him. And really, whoever's watching is irrelevant at that point. Yeah. It's probably different when you're used to having 20,000 people scream and that might be a different story.

And when somebody bought a ticket to see this shit. Yeah, absolutely. At that point, you're financially investing. you're going to give energy too. Well, and some of the guys like it on the road when people are shitty to them and they get an energy out of that too that they like.

And so, who knows? October 9th, 1988, they're talking about the clippers and they're saying Danny Manning and Charles Smith, the first and third players chosen. God, that's not a good third pick there, Charles Smith. Charles Smith wasn't that bad, was he? Didn't play for the Knicks?

Yeah, he wasn't that good at all. He was the guy who couldn't fucking get that layup in to win a playoff game who fucking missed that. like five layups in a room. Something like that. But he was a, he's one of those guys

that was supposed to be much better than he was and never quite did it. A number three overall pick, it's got to be, you got a better than that. Yeah, three overall. Andy was a three in the lineup too,

so. Four sometimes. Did he? Yeah, he played down low a lot. Yeah, for the Knicks, they put him down there. Danny Manning was a fine player. Never lived up to number one.

The best. Never lived up to that number one. Not number one. No, no, no, no. But a great guy. a first round player and a, you know, guy who's got injuries that hurt him a lot, too. Yeah, he was billed as like a tough man, too, for a long time. And he did, he filled that role with the flippers for a while.

Kansas, I want to say. Kansas was his college. Yeah. And then when he was on the sons, he was like older and kind of broken down a little bit. Beaten down. Yeah. He played for Cleveland, too? You think everyone, the same thing he said for Charles Smith.

No, I think he had Charles may have gone to Cleveland. Yeah. In a trade for somebody? Yeah, possibly. I don't remember if Charles Smith came right from the Clippers to the Knicks or not. I don't know. Either way, they were the first and third players chosen in the draft. The Clippers had the first and third picks.

Wow. And they picked those two. Were they that shitty and they traded stuff away to get those? Yeah, they were so bad. Trying so hard to get good. They were so, remember, we were going through it? They were winning like 12 games a year. They were terrible.

Oh, God, they were one of the worst teams. couldn't believe they still existed when I was a kid. They were so bad. Incredible. Yeah, I was waiting for me to go out of business. Just like a Clippers game tonight and you go and there's just wood up over the windows and shit. Oh, what happened? Any, any business.

Blowing by in the wind, you know, a ball of newspaper. What's going on out here? Just some old guy sweeping in front, ain't been clippers around here since 46. Any business that performed like the Clippers in this country would have folded after two years. Yeah. Somehow they just kept going. They kept going. It's the weirdest fucking thing.

Yeah, they're a complete failure. And now it's, you know, they've been fine for the last 15 years or so. And now the NBA, it's impossible to lose money. So, you know, back then you could lose money, but now you can't. They've set it up to make it be just lucrative no matter what. No matter what. Yeah, they're big in, people think the NBA only cares about whether Americans like them or not. Like, oh, they better want Americans to watch.

They don't care about America at all. They don't care if we watch or not. There's a billion and a half people in China and they fucking love the NBA. They can care less whether you buy a ticket or not. That does not matter. And they're, there's, there's arrogant about how ugly this shit is. They don't care. No.

Don't give a shit. So anyway, these two became holdouts when both failed to sign in time for the opening of the Clippers training camp. And that, that's when you get, that's the calling card of a shit team, of a terrible franchise. When you're one and three drafted overall, don't thought? Yeah. That's, remember the Cardinals every fucking year, they'd have a top 10 draft pick, and every year that dude would be holding out till three quarters of the way through training

camp because they wouldn't pay them, what everyone else pays in the league. Yeah. And then they'd come in, have a shit rookie year because they weren't in training camp, and they did it repeat, rinse and fucking repeat. Constantly. Yeah. Rune guys like that. The Clippers did announce one signing Friday.

Veteran Free Agent Guard, Quinton Daly. Oh, he's in. He's only 27 at this point, and it seems like he's been, you know, like 35 trying to hang on for another year or two. Veteran free agent. Wow, that is a lot. They also, they currently have 16 players in camp, including what is believed to be the tallest player ever signed to the NBA. Seven foot eight, George Bell. George Bell.

Who the fuck is that? Who the fuck is George Bell? I had no idea. I mean, Murasan, sure. Muralasan. There's the other guy, a Jorge guy, who was the Atlanta Hawks signed him around this time. And he became the wrestler. He became that giant eleigante and what the fuck was he?

He was in WWE and in Giant Gonzalez. He was in WWF. and he was elegante in WCW. Remember in WWF he wore the furry man suit? He wore, he's this big skinny guy, and he wore this suit that had like fur patches on it and muscles drawn on the suit. And that's what he wore over his whole thing.

It was terrible, but Ted Turner signed him because he was so huge. He was some Argentinian guy. He was like 7 foot 7. And he signed him, and he's terrible at basketball, look like he was going to break. He wore a muscle shirt. But he had him,

signed to a contract so he just said, okay, you have to wrestle instead. Wow. Because if you want to get paid, you have to wrestle now. So it was like, okay, sure. I guess I'll wrestle. So I don't know who the fuck George Bell is, though. 88, 89 clippers are 21 and 61. Jesus Christ, they suck.

God, damn. And this is split between two coaches, 1-1-11 games and 1-110 games. So they're equally terrible. It has nothing to do. They have like the same records. So when you have that, you have this has nothing to do with coaching. This is a bad team. It's just a shitty team.

This is when you fire the GM. Yeah. And the GM, though, problem is is Elgin Baylor, who's an L.A. legend. Yeah, it's one of the best. I mean, it's a Hall of Famer. Hall of Famer. So they have a hard time. This is a problem when you hire these Hall of Fame guys that everybody loves and then they're not good at jobs.

Right. How do you fire this guy? You know? And it's not necessarily that he's not good at the job. It just doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah, he's because he's not good at it. They hired him because his name's Elgin Baylor, not because he's a great general manager.

You know what I mean? And he comes in here and he fucking drafts Charles Smith third overall and then can't even sign him. So, I mean, that's not good. How long did he do that, Elgin Baylor? Every year I've seen he's been the GM in this team. I mean, how long was he the GM? Oh, I don't know.

Is there a decade or better? I think he was there a long time. Wow. I think he was there a long fucking time. What have you done? Yeah, the Clippers were, that was a problem. I mean, he was a terrible fucking GM, obviously. You can't build this roster year after year after year and be a good GM.

This is not possible. Everybody else can draft their way out of that. Yeah, this is a, this roster. Ken Norman, Danny Manning, Benoit Benjamin, Benoit Bonjaman, Charles Smith, Gary Grant, Norm Nixon. Norm Nixon's still playing? Norm Nixon was the guy who was pissed off when Magic Johnson got drafted because it kind of knocked him out of the starting lineup.

Really? Yeah. for the Lakers. I mean, that's, he was a big star with the Lakers back in the day. So that's why he's in L.A.

and that's why they signed him, but he's 33 at this point. The man generally managed the Clippers for 22 fucking years. When did he stop? That's, what was the last year? 2006,

he was executive of the year. Yeah. Right as a executive. And he took him 20 years to figure out how to draft the roster. Holy crap. 22 years. He was relieved of duties

and, 2008, 2008. Wow. Hey, say what you want about Donald Sterling. He's a racist and an asshole and all that. Boy, is he patient. I'll say that much for him. My God, is he patient?

I'd have fired this motherfucker the second. He couldn't sign Charles Smith. It'd be like, you're get the fuck out of here. We've won 12 games every year, and you can't sign a mediocre fucking forward. No. That is fascinating. That is fascinating.

That's what happens when you're that good at a sport. They will have patience forever. They'll give you a long time. Yeah. A lot of sports. That's true. Football, they don't give you shit. Football, they'll fire.

They're ruthless there. Oh, my God. L.W. NFL's the most ruthless sport ever. They fucking ran him out so fast. I mean, they fired Tom fucking Landry. You know what I mean? It's like they do not care what you've done.

I feel like Elway was football operations for 20 years, though. President of Football Operations or some more shit like that. Yeah. I don't even know what that is. I don't know what that does. Nobody knows what that is. They hire the GM maybe. That's about it.

Yeah. So, Joe Wolf, Tom Garrick, Reggie Williams, Ken Bannister, Kevin Williams, Greg Kite. Ugh, remember Greg Kite? Yeah. Big white stiff. Remember him? Jesus. Oh, he was terrible.

Big center. Big. Stiff. I do remember him, but is he a hall of favor of two? Fuck, no. He averaged 1.9 points a game this year. He's terrible. Oh, Jesus.

He went to, I believe, Orlando when they were this next year. I think that's where I know from the cards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From goddamn 91 hoops basketball cards. Fucking Skybox. Eric White, Ennis Watley, Grant Gondrazek.

Gondres. Yeah, that's what we said. Dave Popson, Rob Locke, Rob Rose, Barry Sumter. That is a terrible team. That's real bad. Ken Norman leads the team in points per game. What year was that? 88, 89.

Yeah. And in a league that has. has the pistons. Yeah, and the Bulls and the Lakers. There's still the end of showtime Lakers. They're going to challenge Larry Bird with that lineup. This is not good. Fuck, man.

And they're 24th out of 25 teams in attendance that year, too. 24th. Who the fuck was worse? The Mavericks, probably. I'm trying to think either Dallas or, I don't know, Minnesota wasn't around yet. I'm trying to think of small market teams that nobody cared about.

Yeah, maybe Seattle? No, they sold out every goddamn game, Seattle. They loved them. Did they? Fuck, Seattle. Their fans were great. They never, they never left because they lost fan support at all. Maybe the Sacramento Kings.

Might have been the Kings because they're a terrible, it's a terrible market. Sacramento is fucking awful. By the way, we'll be at Sacramento in Sacramento on October 17th. Please keep your homeless from ejaculating on my feet this time. Yeah, that'd be nice. Get your bleak asses out there. That place is rough. So anyway, February 7th, 1989.

Quinton, this is amazing. This is the best headline of all time. Quentin Daly eats himself out of a job. What? He eats himself out of a job, which is how fat do you have to be exactly? Yeah. I'm picturing him like on the bench with like a meatball sandwich or something, like a fucking meatball parmesan on the bench going.

Hold on, coach. We're ordering pizza and pretzels to the bench. He won't go in because he's like, no, I'm not done with my meatball sandwich yet. Hold on a minute. I still got to happen as meatball. Yeah, I got to, let me finish this, then I'll go in. Interim coach, Don Casey,

didn't specify how much weight Daley had to lose before he'd be allowed to rejoin the team but hinted that he wanted Daly to get down to 205 pounds. He's currently 229 pounds. Good Lord. He's only 6'3. It's 229 pounds. It's crazy. That's an inch shorter than me.

Yeah. And that's if I put on another almost 40 pounds. That's heavy. I'd be a fat fuck if I put on 40 pounds. Unless it was like jacked fucking muscle or some crazy. She'll say, did steroids. Like that would be. 40 pounds of muscles, one thing.

But 40, just 40 pounds of blob? Imagine. I'd be fat. I'm skinny now, but I'd be fat then real quick. 40 pounds will do it. So, wow. So he's suspended indefinitely. He's the team's leading scorer at the time with 17 points a game.

Jesus. So I don't get why you're suspending him for being fat if he's playing better than everyone else on the team. Playing better and putting points up are not necessarily the same, right? What's the, how do you win a game of basketball? Yeah, I mean, creating opportunity and such too. Maybe he's just lucky. I mean, 17 points a game for Christ's sake. That was the leading goddamn score. Better than your number one draft pick. better than Greg Kite. To win the game, you need the most points. That's a great point. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. To me, it's like, and that's

he averaged 13.4 the year before, so he's up four points a game. He's playing better this year. He might be up 10 pounds, but he also has points. Maybe he's like David Wells. Maybe he's just better fatter. The fatter he is, the better. That's possible, yeah. It could be possible. Maybe it gives him a little extra

force. He's not, you know, not getting pushed around out there, I'm not sure. But he was told to the suspension shortly after he arrived for the game against the Mavericks. He suffered a slight concussion in Saturday's loss to Golden State, but has been cleared to play Monday. He'll be paid during the suspension and will receive nutritional consultation and supervision

from the team physician. Supervision. Yeah, let's get him less fat. He said, Daley's been battling weight problems since joining the Clippers in 86. What a fat fuck, man. So now he's out wandering the street. eats fat and sad and dejected.

Yeah. I mean, still getting paid, but you can't even, you're not allowed to go to work because you're too fat. Everyone out there right now who has a job, imagine if you showed up one day and they said, you're too fat to come to work, go home. It's not happening to that. We're sending you home. You're too fat to be here.

That would suck. And then not only that, they put it in the newspaper and on Sports Center and on your local news and everything else that. They did a press release about your fat ass. That's it. You know, Carrie is too fat to come to work today. So, you know, also, you know, Johnny and a couple other people, too fat to make it to work. We have a physician monitoring them.

Yeah. Every day on the news, we have the fat list. These are all the people who are too fat to work today. You think, I'll lose some goddamn weight if I was a professional athlete and all these articles are about my team says I'm too fat. And I'd be like, Jesus Christ. I might be embarrassing. Defamation or something. It can't be done.

affirmation, you are fat. I mean, look at a picture of him, fat. Put that picture before the jury. Ladies and gentlemen, is this a thin man? What else could he be then? Fat. He's too fat to be slandered.

He's too fat to slander. Too fat to libel. Telling you, man. So, yeah, so he's wandering the streets. I mean, I picture like the dejected music, like a harmonica over. Yeah. Just as like as he walks, hands in pockets,

watches as couples like... Shuffling. Couples hold hands and skip. Watches as like people eat ice cream cones happily. Watches a dog shit in the park. On their lunch break. Yeah, watches the... Like bubbles when he's not fucking on heroin.

And he's like looking at the trees and like the kids playing and bubbles. Everything nice. Everything nice resonates. That's what he's doing. But you know what? It's in him. it's in them. The problem, too, I also, by the way, sometimes when you get Coke heads off of Coke, they go to food.

Do they? Fuck, yeah. They go to sweets a lot of times because in the, a lot of different times in the, like, recovery community, they replace ice cream for drugs. So that's why they get fat. They eat a lot more and they, when they want to do drugs, they, they, they, when they want to do drugs, they, eat sugary fatty shit, which is not good for them. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen people, yeah. I mean, I've seen recovery places and like meetings where they have, they just have

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suspend me forever. This is too good. I'm going in here. And he opens the door. And it's the Swarma man. Hey. And he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Look at you. Oh, you be my best customer. You come in.

No, no, I make for you. You're so, look at this. You're cherubic like a Santa Claus. You know, you look at you. I like. You come down my chimney. You get stuck, but you bring presents. You know what I mean?

Obviously, you get stuck. You fat in the middle. Look at you. Oh, lamb, I make for you so nice. So nice. Hey, by the way, I hear you, you might have the cocaine. You know, it's a swammer man. Sometimes he dabble, you know what I mean?

I dabble a little bit. I work a lot of hours, you know what I mean? Got to stay awake. But, you know, I also have daughter in college, and I hear you do, you do a rapy type thing. You know what? Signs, say close. I changed mine. I changed my mind.

I have enough customer, also very fat. You're, don't need you. Signs, they closed. And then poof, the place is gone. And in a cloud of Taziki sauce and insults. The swarma man is gone. Cucumber slices and shaved meats. It's all over with.

And Quentin's very confused. He doesn't understand. He could taste the shwarma. Now he's on the mission. He's got to get some shwarma. And he's doing it. But he holds off on the shwarma. And then on February 14th, 1989, Valentine's Day,

the day of love, the Clippers reaffirma. reinstate Quentin Daly from the suspended list. All the affection. All the affection. He just got so in a week he unfatted himself. Well, maybe they showed some. He lost seven pounds or something. They were like, all right, he's trying.

Also, we're losing every game because that's our top score. We need points. We need points here. February 22nd, 1989, there's an article here. It says out of place, question mark. Former local schoolboy stars Williams Daly are struggling to find their niche in the NBA. They say they were two of Baltimore's best high school basketball players. Now Quentin Daly and Reggie Williams do what might be called the Baltimore Shuffle as Clipper coach Don Casey subs one for the other searching for a better groove.

Counting last night's 123 to 109 loss to the Washington Bullets, the Clippers have lost. 25 of their last 26 games. Oh my God. Holy. Jesus Christ, that is so fucking bad. Even if you win one in 26, that doesn't even feel like it, right? You barely remember it probably. Yeah.

It's just every day. I'm going to go lose today again. God, damn. It becomes a habit after a while. Yeah. That's what I mean. How does Elgin Baylor keep his job? You think if you're the owner, you fire everybody.

I don't give a fuck. We can't do any worse. No. than losing every goddamn single game. So, I'll put a 12-year-old in charge. They can't do worse. Who cares? I have a secretary.

He doesn't know shit about basketball, but I'll tell you what. She's got to do better than this. This is fucking terrible. Holy shit. 36 of their last 41 games. And their 35th, this was their 35th straight road loss. Oh, boy. Everybody's fired.

Everybody. So they've won one home game out of 26. 35 away? You can't You can't drop that man. Everybody's fired. I don't In a row. The players are fired. I don't care. We're done. I'll hire the Harlem Globetrotters to come out here and play.

I'm tired of this shit. I would be so done with this shit. The Clippers are nothing short of depressing. That is depressing. Oh, boy. That's depressing. It's almost like I want to go back and find YouTube games of this season of the Clippers. I love bad movies and bad things like that. Watch them lose?

Oh, a bad sports performance is amazing. I love looking up like the biggest blowouts in NFL history and like going and watching them and just watching some quarterback throw interception after interception and fumble. It's just awesome. I just love that. It's so much fun. I love ineptitude. It's just great. Right in the middle of it all are Daly, the former Cardinal Gibbon standout, who has tried to eat his way off the team.

Jesus, that's cold. And former Dunbar star Williams, who hasn't been able to find the consistency he and. enjoyed as an All-America at Georgetown since joining the NBA two years ago. The coach said Reggie is still trying to find himself and Quentin needs minutes. I'm trying to get the young kids work and that means less playing time for the vets like Quentin. They said Daley started the season with plenty of minutes. He was and is the team's leading score with 17.6 point a game average, but a weight

problem which has haunted him for years has resurfaced. He reported to training camp with 193 pounds. on his 6 foot 3 frame, but found himself suspended in February 6th because his weight ballooned to 230. Holy. He started at 193 in training camp, which is like August. So from August to February, he put almost 40 pounds on from August to February. That's impressive.

And that's with running miles a day. All the time. All they do is run. Literally, if you look at an NBA practice or NBA training camp, camper games, they run miles a day. So that, you know how much you have to fucking eat to run 12 miles a day and

jump and push and do all this shit and work out too? They have a workout program and still be fat and gain weight? Yeah. There's just got to be a gene in some guys that makes that happen because Oliver Miller had the same

fucking problem. He had the same but he was fat always. He was slow as shit. Yeah, I mean he was fat and college. Like he was always like pudgy. He was like Charles Barkley, always a little bit pudgy. All right. But Oliver Miller let it get out of control away before Barclay did. That was a mom. Man, when he was with the Raptors, holy Christ. Holy fuck. Dude, that jersey was clinging to him for dear life. It looked like he looked like, the jersey looked like when you're wet and his shirt like clings to you, that's what his jersey looked like because they just couldn't get a jersey big enough for this.

The Kings was the worst. His shoes were like, they were going to explode because his feet were so fat in there. Maybe it was with the Pacers was the worst because he had those like, he had that weird hair too. Yeah. With the paste. The twist that he had? Those little twists. He just looks like a super fat, like 10-year-old girl. He looked like a big dessert cake with some kind of like twisty chocolate shit on top.

I feel bad because the fucking guy died horribly. He did. And died broke. And broke. Quinn Dalia, I don't know how you gain that kind of weight. Yeah. It's not like he came into training camp fat and they were trying to lose it. He gained that over the course of the season.

That's impressive. Yeah. Wow. Oliver Miller looked like he, when he was fat with the suns, his face still looked like, I don't know, a skinny guy. He didn't look fat in the face. When he got to, when it was Sacramento, Indiana time, it was, it was, he was a different story. He was so, so fat. He was so fat.

It was big. And he's like, I'm just trying to put on bulk to fucking bang around with Shaq. And it's like, no. you're fat. You're just a fat. He was a big muscle back then. He was a big mussely guy. You're a fat fuck.

So his weight ballooned up to 230. Quentin Daly says that's what they say. Because they ask him, what about this 230? And he goes, I mean, that's what they say I weigh. And then he goes into one of the greatest excuses and greatest things I've ever heard. Quote, they weighed me with my clothes on. And, you know, my clothes weigh 37 pounds. That's what I've gained.

Well, and you're 240. They probably weigh eight, ten pounds, right? I carry toe chains in my pockets, too. That's the other thing. So that could be a part of it. I'm not sure. Yeah. I dress like I'm going to a misfits show.

So I got a lot of metal on it. A lot of layers and metal, you know. You never know. He said, they weighed me with my clothes on. And, you know, depending on what you're wearing, it can add 10 pounds, says Daley, who is now about 210. They say I have a weight problem. I'm going to take care of it. but I think the team is not winning.

I think the team not winning is the issue. When you're not winning, you look for things. You can't miss you, though. You're right there. You're unmissable. You're so fat. You're the fattest thing around. I don't think, you know?

When I was that weight, I was averaging 17.6 points a game. Now I'm not playing and I'm losing stats. I think they should concentrate on winning the games. So, no matter how fat I am, if I'm scoring, they should probably be happy with me. Scoring. Yeah. Does he look fat? I mean, at the time he had to be had to.

You don't gain 40 pounds. So he doesn't look good. If I gained 40 pounds in four months, you'd notice probably. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you're going to stretch. He said Casey admitted he does not like Daley's weight problem being a focal point for the team's miserable performance. Yeah, you're way past one guy being fat if you're this bad.

Last night, Daly played 40 minutes and as he alternated with Williams much of the night and managed just three points on one for five shooting from the field. His outside shots were short and his play was sluggish. He needs energy. He doesn't have enough food in him. Right, yeah. That's the problem. Casey said, this is the coach. Quentin is a real good kid who has worked very hard.

What he has overcome has been remarkable. Yeah, rape and drugs. It's his own doing. He's made tremendous strides. When he's in his groove, he's among the 10 best in the league. Is that right? I can probably name 10 guys in the league from 1988, 88, 89 that are way better than him. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, fucking Dominique Wilkins, Clydexler,

starting lineup of the Lakers, starting lineup of the Pistons. Yeah, we can go just name them off all these All-Star teams that are way better than him. Wow, he said he's made tremendous strides, but now he has to get his weight in line. Gene, who's the former coach, Gene Shoe, was always on him about weight, and so was the trainer. was weighed, the problem has been pointed out strongly, and he knows that he has to lose weight. But to be fair, he hasn't been able to get the time he needs to get back in the groove. Quentin said, I'm not upset that they're asking me to lose weight. I'm dealing with it. I know when my heart is in it, I know when my heart is in it, I can be among the best players in the NBA.

I've proven it. These days, sometimes my heart is in it, sometimes not. There are other things to worry about in life. Okay. Okay. They go on to say, There's family life. He and his wife, Angela, are the parents of Quincy Angela, who was their child. Remember that? Named after both of them. Who will be a year old April 9th. That's Sarah's birthday.

There is community service. He makes appearances throughout Los Angeles speaking to youngsters about the virtues of education and a drug-free life. And also, fatty foods is the virtues of hamburgers and fucking things like that. Teaching them about the good fats, like avocado. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's what he's all about. There are advertising deals. Daly just signed to be a spokesman for NutraSuite. Isn't that proven, well, back then, but isn't that bad?

I wouldn't sign a Coke had to do any ads for any white powder. Put it that way. I don't care what it is, sugar or anything else. I'm not having him with a white powder on things when he was just doing massive amounts of Coke three years ago. That's bad for my product, I think, at that point. I saw NutraSuite was like super bad for you, too. I think in the end, because it was saccharin, I think, was the thing, and that ended up being bad or whatever. What is it called?

Wasn't saccharine in that one? I don't know. Sweetener. I thought it was, well, maybe that's in sweet and low. I don't know. Or, yeah, one of them had saccharine, and then they said that was bad. But NutraSweet, if you went out to eat in the 80s, that shit was on that table. That was there.

Yeah, omnipresent. That pink fucking package was everywhere. And then there is work. The Clippers are not doing well, and Daly says the frustration of that is what, drives him to eat. Drives him. March 16th, 1989, this is a fun headline.

These guys just kept pounding. Just balls deep. Just slapping balls all the time. Basketball is not normally a game for the roly-poly, but the clippers are not a normal basketball team. They lose an abnormal number of games, for instance, a team character trait that has stood the test of time. And funny things happen to the clippers.

For instance, a month ago, they noticed that their center and their point guard seemed to be gaining weight. Benoit Benjamin and Quentin Daly, the team's co-captains were putting on pounds despite the grueling nature of the sport and draining grind of the National Basketball Association. Ben and Q were starting to look like Tweedledum and Tweedle D of through the looking glass. The Clippers were giving new meaning to the terms expansion team and rounding into mid-season form. Daly in particular, Rounding. Rounding. Daly in particular confounded modern medical. science by putting on about 36 pounds after training camp and it's not from steroids.

It wasn't muscle. It was just fat. He's just a fat fuck. So the Clippers suspended their leading score, which angered and embarrassed him. Now we skip ahead to the present. Daly has slimmed down again using his revolutionary Woody Woodpecker diet. The fuck is that? What is that?

Small bites? Do so much Coke, you're hyper and bang your head against a church. Yeah. Wow. Benjamin is slimmed down too. And this is written, and as this is written, the clippers are riding a two-game winning streak and are drawing raids around the league for their improved play and spirit. Two games. Two games.

They've won two in a row. We win another. That's called a winning streak. Okay. Daley said, I got to own up to it. It did get a little out of hand. Yeah. Not that he thinks that he's playing any better in his thinner self.

He said, not really. I do the same things on the court. People say, I look better. That's great. But before the suspension, I was playing my best ball of the last three or four years. He was like, I was in a groove. And you guys just took me out of the lineup and fuck my whole year up. Thanks a lot.

Fucks my momentum. Yeah, let him fat. Shit, give him more. Here, what else you want? Yeah. What can I get you? Is the Woody Woodpecker diet the thing that helped him improve his weight? Or was that?

that's what he said. That's how he lost weight, the Woody Woodpecker diet. I don't know if that's a thing that we were supposed to know about back then or what. But Coach Don Casey says now he has more spring in his jump shot. We can see it from the sidelines.

But it's not going in as much. That's all that matters in basketball. It doesn't matter how good you look jumping. It matters if the ball goes in. We showed him tapes. He was stumbling around out there compared to what he's doing now. What America wants to know, though,

is A, how Daly managed to gain 36 pounds during an NBA season, and B, how we lost 19 pounds in one week to earn reinstatement to the Clippers roster. Yeah. Yeah, especially a guy that used to do a bunch of Coke. Yeah. Wow. He said, the gaining was easy.

You can run 24 minutes and be casual, he said. But most people still wouldn't be able to gain weight if they ran for 24 minutes, casual or not. Right. So amazing. Wow. He explains that he's not talking about dogging or loafing, but rather playing intelligent. energy-conserving basketball.

While he was conserving energy, Daly was eating constantly. To his credit, though, not once did he order a snack delivered to the bench during a game as he once did when he played for the Bulls. He explained, quote, munch here, munch there. You know, a little munch here, a little munch there. Everywhere a munch-munch.

They said explains the clippers munchkin. Munchkin. Daly was limiting himself to one meal a day, but it lasted 18 hours. Ha ha. The clipper suspended him. Daly says he was fully dressed, wearing a heavy coat. And it is true.

And that his true weight was more like 225, which is still a load for a 6-3 guard who came in at 193. You still gain 32 pounds over the course of a fucking NBA season. Whatever his weight, he was out of a job until he lost some. The suspension was big news. Daly would be walking through a mall and total strangers would call out, Hey, Quentin, why don't you stay away from the cookie store? Yeah. Yeah, he can't exactly go up to a fucking Mrs. Fields location in public there.

So 88, 89, he plays 69 games, starts 51. It's the most games he's ever started in his entire career. 25 minutes a game, which is like third most to fourth most in his career, average 16.1 points a game, which is not bad. That's not bad. That is goddamn good. And he made $425 grand that year. How about it?

He's on a roll now. That is food money right there. Yeah. July 2nd, 1989, Daly not invited back. No? The Clippers exercised their option next season for a couple people, but chose not to exercise their Quentin Daly option. So there is that. So July 3, 1989, now they're saying Quentin Daly was a bad influence.

That's the paper. On who? The day after. He went for being a good guy to a bad influence. Real quick. I'll read the article from the Los Angeles Daily News here. Quentin Daly was a poor influence on a team with so many young players, according to Los Angeles Clippers, President Alan Rothenberg. Yeah, that's the problem. You've won 12 fucking games a year every year, and he's that guy. It's that guy. He's the problem. Pathetic.

locker room cancer. That's all it was. We would have been a playoff team without him, I mean, obviously, even though he was the only guy scoring also. And that, he said, is why the Clippers set their starting shooting guard adrift Saturday when they chose not to pick up the option on his two-year contract. Rothenberg said from his home in Beverly Hills, I think at this point, he wasn't fitting in with what we needed. If we want to have veterans, we need ones who can give us consistent leadership. Quentin was just too consistent on and off the court. Now, Rothenberg suggested stress that in no way was he suggesting that Daley, who has two, strikes against him under the NBA's drug policy was involved in anything drug-related. Instead, Rothenberg points to an episode in February when he was suspended for putting on too

much weight. Wow. So Daly earned 400 grand in 8889. It would have made $450 this year. Instead, Daly is now an unrestricted free agent, meaning he can negotiate with any team. They said, in terms of what he did getting out of shape, that was unacceptable. It's unacceptable under any circumstances, but with a young team like ours, setting that kind of example is just wrong.

But he's scoring the most, he had the most points that you fuck. What the fuck? For a team that sucks, they're awfully picky. If you're in first place and this is like the seventh guy on the bench, yeah, tell him fat fuck, go lose some weight. If this is your leading score and you're losing every game, 35 straight on the road, I don't care. Give him a corn dog and send him out there.

Who cares? What are we talking about? I mean, honestly, you can have a handful of whipped cream when he go on the court. I don't give a shit. It's also a physical game at the moment. He's in his 20s. He'll be fine. He'll be all right. So anyway, they said that was really it. If we thought he could have, if we thought he could give meaningful help on the team, we would have kept him, obviously. It's tough. What does Quentin do in there? He's really not your starting guard. When he's not playing, he sets a terrible example for the other players. Hey, thanks now that I'm an

unrestricted free agent for publicly fucking ripping everything about me. Yeah. Yeah. What does he really do? even. I mean, you know, besides score more points than the other people we pay a lot more. August 3rd, 89, they say, speaking of the clippers, they decided not to pick up the Quentin Daly's contract. So Daly said, quote, it's time to sing that Beverly Hillbilly song, got to load up the boat and move to Italy. What? That's the opposite. You're going from... They didn't go to Italy. Yeah, Beverly Hills, they said. They moved up the truck. They moved loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly. Beverly.

You're moving out of Beverly to Italy. Yeah. Did he miss it? I don't know what he's talking about. Yeah, I think maybe he only saw that show once or twice and messed it up. September 13th, 1989, Daly signs a one-year contract, not in Italy. No? With the Los Angeles Lakers.

Hey. Not bad. Let's get on. That's great. The Lakers are a dinosaur. at this point, the end of the dynasty. They're doing great. They're coming off a dynasty for 10 years. Free Agent Guard, who spent the last three years with the Clippers, signed a one year guaranteed

contract with the Lakers. Daly said he would earn in the same area of the 450 he would have made with the Lakers. He said it's an honor to play with a team that can win the championship. He said, I'm not here to take a position just to help them win. I want to be established as a winner. I've thought of myself as that, but now maybe there will be a chance to prove it to everybody else. He said, all I can say about the Clippers is they gave me a chance to get back in the league.

I'm grateful to them and I wish them the best of luck, which is pretty magnanimous after they came out and talk shit about him in the fucking paper here. All parties refuse to say if there's a weight or drug clause in his contract. Interesting. The Lakers general manager, Mitch Cupcheck, said in the past, Quentin has had a problem, but we're comfortable and confident that all his problems are in the past. including the weight. He's convinced of that, and we're excited to get him.

Right. There we go. Next up, what is this, a week fucking later? That was September 13th, so that's like the beginning of training camp. October 15th, 1989, Daly having problems fitting in with Lakers. Oh, no. Yep. The ball whapped off quitting Daly's hands and out of bounds.

All eyes in the gym riveted on the burly guard of the Los Angeles Lakers. Okay. Daly buckled at the waist, his hands firmly gripped the bottom of his sweat-drenched shorts. He gulped huge mouthfuls of clammy air in the auto-clug gym on the University of Hawaii campus. The Lakers used to do their training camps in Hawaii. Really? Yeah. It was like a not a bad, not a bad gig.

They spent like three, four weeks in Hawaii. L.A. in proximity to the beach wasn't good enough. Let's go somewhere that has more beach. Paradise, gentlemen. Onward. Let's go. But I mean, they're taking their team to Hawaii and the Clippers aren't signing their number one and three draft picks. And you wonder why no one goes to their games and the Lakers, everybody goes.

I mean, come on. What the fuck? So they say the perspiration pouring onto the wood court. On the sideline, general manager Jerry West scowled and muttered to scout Jean Tormelin, coach Pat Riley shook his head. The corners of his mouth pointing south. The players on the court resisting the I am beat handhold on the bottom of their shorts of their eyes. Clearly,

none of the Lakers in training camp has struggled as much as Daley. Indeed, if Riley were to cut the team to 12 players today instead of

in three weeks, Daly might not be among the designated dozen. Riley was with the Lakers first? Yeah, the whole Showtime Lakers

is Pat Riley, the whole 80s. Oh shit. You don't, yeah, that's where he came from. That's how he got, that's how he went to the Knicks and got

like partial ownership and a $6 million a year. It's because he won like four championship. with the Lakers in 10 years. Wow, so he's probably the second best coach in the history, right? I don't know about, I don't know.

In terms of like victories and winning and. He's not bad. I mean, he brings a legacy of winning if he's, if he's doing, it's him and fucking triangle man. Yeah, then he went to the Knicks and didn't quite make it and then rob the heat blind of all their fucking money. And he got a deal he got from the heat. Look up if you want to find something funny, everybody,

the provisions of the Pat Riley coaching the heat deal. It is insane. Basically, he's in charge of everything. No one can tell him shit. His family gets to fly on private jets and he gets like a crazy fucking mansion. It's insane. They gave him like everything that you could give somebody. It's wild.

God, I hated him so much, but he was so good. He's good. He's a frightening man. I can't believe you didn't know Pat Riley was the Lakers coach. That's interesting. I guess I never. In the 90s, he was so with everything else. Yeah, they always showed those highlights, though.

He's always on the sideline, him and Magic Johnson. But I could see that. He played, he played too. Pat Riley played for the Knicks. Knicks, yeah. Nicks. He's a tough guy kind of player. He's a bad man.

He's a frightening man. He's a New York guy. He's from New York, I think. Yeah. So Michael Cooper, the co-captain. Michael Cooper, by the way, people don't know who he is now. One of the greatest defenders who's ever played in the NBA.

Incredible defender. Huge piece of the Showtime Lakers team. And he's a smart guy, too. He left in one a bunch of places, too, didn't he? Seattle? I don't think so. He was on there. Cooper was entering his 12th year with the Lakers at this point.

Wow. I think he was a, he might have went somewhere at the end. I mean, maybe for a year or two, but he wasn't, didn't have like a long career outside the Lakers for sure. Defense was his thing. He was a great defender, Michael Coo. I mean, shut down, shut down defender. So Michael Cooper, who's the co-captain at this point, or the tri-captain, said,

I think Q is walking the line. With this team, with this organization, practice is vital. We feel that when you practice well, you're going to play well in the game. For him not to practice as well as he has been showing so far as a total mistake on his part. If the sock isn't on before the shoe, then you're going to get blisters. You definitely have to put the sock. on first, and in this case, that means Quentin conforming to the Lakers. Yeah.

You'd think you'd want to. They're a championship team. They obviously know what the hell something's going on right here. They know how to put it together. They said, Daly could not have gotten off to a worse start. Because his pregnant wife, Angela, was feeling ill. He missed his flight to Honolulu and wound up being fine for arriving late. Although he weighed in at 197 the next morning,

28 pounds later, lighter than the high he played at with the Clippers last season, he nearly passed out after 20 minutes of light running and had to be escorted back to the team's hotel. Wow. He said anxiety. I picture of just carrying him, feet dangling. He said anxiety over joining the championship caliber team for the first time in his career. His seven-year average record with Chicago and the Clippers is a woeful 26 and 56 caused him to not eat for three days before coming to Hawaii. He's probably also, shit, what am I, 2.0.

weight. I'm looking a little heavy. I better fucking not eat. Might be getting himself an eating disorder. That's possible, too. So although his weight was fine, his 16% body fat indicated he was hardly in shape. Oh, boy. Jesus. Daley insisted he will be fine and that he's never been to a training, he's never been a training camp or practice player. He said, ain't nothing going to happen for real till November.

I came in here last week already to win a championship ring in October, and you saw what happened. I've tried to calm down from that. but still, I'm not going to go to the hole and get the tar hammered out of me and then not even go to the free throw line because it's training camp practice. I'm a game player. Practice? We're talking about practice? Yeah.

Daley acknowledged that he hasn't looked good, but we sign with a new team and they have a culture of winning. You've got to do whatever they're doing. You can't just be like, I play different than these guys. Don't worry about it. You also can't show up to a job like that that. success-driven and then show up and just be a fat fuck. No. And no.

And he goes on to say that the pace of the Lakers game, the Showtime Lakers ran a lot. Yeah. They were running. I mean, they were going. That was why they were the Showtime Lakers, they're running gunning. And that was fun to watch. And then either that or they throw it into Kareem, one of the two. So he said this is also not what he's used to, this much running.

He's used to being a different kind of set offense where you can kind of jog up the court, get in a position, run around a little bit, but this is run, run, run, run, run. He said the bottom line is, I always come through. So all the talk in the world doesn't mean a thing to me. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, I play hard. Riley said the biggest adjustment that Quentin's going to have to make will be learning to run hard all the time. He says he wants Daley to pull the team down the court by running the wing on the break. And so far, he hasn't been able to do that.

Right. He said, I know he's a half court player. in a very effective one, but we're not a half-court offense, even less of one this year, because Kareem retired. So the only time they were stopping was to dump it into Kareem to give him his 20 a game. Otherwise, they were a running team. He said, yes, it's possible we will change once Q comes in the game, but he has to earn that.

When Bob McAdoo was here, there was a Hall of Famer, we changed everything once he came on the court, but do earn that. Yeah, because, I mean, he knew he could play. Daley has twice gone. on substance rehabilitation, yada, yada. He said former Chicago teammate Orlando Woolridge, a fellow member of the ASAP drug recovery program, has been helpful in supporting him his first week with the Lakers.

Woolridge, who had a very difficult time adjusting to the Lakers in his initial season, said he is closely monitored Daly's troubles. He said the success Q does or doesn't have is really up to him. If he comes in and tries to turn everything around by himself, he's making a mistake. I know he's having a lot of self-doubt right now, and that's understandable. So I've become a cheerleader for him to help him get his spirits up. To this point, we haven't had to sit down, blow it out, talk about things.

I'm there for him, but I hope it won't really be necessary. Either way, guaranteed contract. Yeah. And he knows that, so he thinks, don't worry about training camp. I'll get in there in the game and I'll be fine. I'll do it on the day. He's doing one of those actor things. October 16th, 1989, right before the season starts,

L.A. Waves Quentin Daly. Uh-oh. We'll lose 450 grand. You're too fucking, you're too lazy to be on our team, essentially. So October 22nd, 1989, the headline is, Daly again, finds a way to waste an opportunity. He's fucking everything up, essentially, is what's going on here. Ruins everything here.

So they say, Are I being fat? Well, we'll find out. They say there's always a sense of sadness when talent and opportunity come together for a player who chooses to toss them aside. No better example may be found than that of Quinton Daly,

the tremendously gifted guard who continues to abuse his abilities. So they go on to talk about then he spent three stormy seasons. Okay, he says, when the Lakers left for their training camp in Hawaii, Daly missed the plane. Charles Barkley said,

quote, there must be something wrong with that guy. he said this is a great line if i had the chance to go from the clippers to the lakers i'd swim to hawaii to be on time no shit are you kidding me that's a gray line and that's why charles barclay's been on tv for 30 years that's why because he said that he was a young man then when he said yeah he was still playing with the sixers for christ's sake um once daly showed up he was unable to take part in light scrimmages for more than 20 minutes on the first day, wobbling out of the gym. He begged out of scrimmages and drills by simply walking off the court on subsequent days. He said he had slept through a wake-up call and missed a shoot around the day before the Lakers broke camp.

The team requested a urine test to determine if he was using drugs. The Lakers did not release the results of the test, but upon landing in Los Angeles last Friday, they did release him. So that's not good. Attempts to reach Daly have been fruitless. His phone has been disconnected. What? Wow. Someday Daly may realize what he's doing, but he's 28 and time is running out.

Yikes. What the fuck. How do you blow that? That is fucking crazy, man. Well, now they're talking this next article here, Daytona Beach News Journal, November 23rd, 1989. Why Manly? Why now?

They mean Dexter, by the way. The Washington Redskin defensive lineman and famed New York City Interior designer. Different people, but still, they said the caller said it was urgent. He had to speak to Bob Wolf now. Wolf, the noted sports agent, got on the phone to hear the voice of Quentin Daly, the basketball player, one of his clients. Well, he had fired him and hired the Globetrotters lady. Mr. Wolf said Daly, I've been kidnapped. What?

I'm in San Diego. They've got me tied to a bed in a motel. If I don't come up with $10,000 for them immediately, they're going to kill me. Oh, my God. Wolf said Quentin, I'm not sending you the money. He knows a crackhead trick when he hears it. That's a crackhead trick is what that is. He's not tied to a bed.

He needs $10,000 and he can't get up, but it's not about being tied down, I don't think. recalling this now a few years later, Wolf said he understood why Daly was seeking money. He said it wasn't for kidnappers. It was for drugs. Quentin was addicted and refused to admit it. And so they're going to go on. The rest of the articles about Dexter Manley. We don't need to hear that because we probably read it during the show.

But that's very funny that he was trying to get his agent to give him $10,000. I've been kidnapped. February 3, 1990. Daley signed sealed and delivers. Here we go. Guard, Inks, 10-day pact with the Seattle Supersonics. Hey! Hits winning free throw in 87-86 victory.

Oh. So right away. I was like a half-time challenge. If you make these free throws, you're signed for 10-day. He give you a 10-day deal. Newcomer, Quinton Daley, had everything working against him Friday night in his first game with the Sonics, but he became their hero anyway. He signed a 10-day contract with the Sonics,

scored the game-winning free throw and made a crucial defensive play in the closing seconds in Seattle's 87-86 victory over Indiana at Market Square Arena. The victory broke a 12-game losing streak on the road, one shy of the franchise record. Daley came into the game cold. He hadn't practiced with the Sonics,

nor seen them play this season. Wow. He watched a game, and he joined them only hours before the game after playing Thursday night in Topeka, Kansas with the Sioux Falls Sky Force of the CBA. Oh, my God. Quentin spent an hour with me this afternoon,

Sonics assistant coach Tom Newell said, we went over the offense. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to talk to him about defense. Just went out there. Despite little preparation, Daly played 25 minutes in relief of rookie guard Dana Barrows. Remember him? Mm-hmm.

Sixers. I remember him on the Sixers, mostly, but he was drafted by the Sonics and then went to the Sixers later. Wow, he played for the Sonics. Yeah, yeah. I remember those Sonics days early. It was this 89-90, whatever.

Was Dana Barros was drafted that long? Yeah. And then he played for the Sixers after that. Yeah. Yeah. Barros was shooting cold. Daly contributed impressive numbers, 11.3 rebounds, three assists, and three steals.

Daly sank the winning free throws or free throw with six seconds left, but missed another attempt. He said, I was hurt. I think I could have put the game away with that missed free throw. I was upset with myself. However, he made amends for his missed free throw with a defensive play. The Pacers debt left Shrem. This is right before he went to Seattle.

Who scored 20 points and grabbed nine rebounds, drove to the basket for the potential game-winning shot, but he was whistled for an offensive foul with 1.1 seconds left to play. That's a ballsy ref to call a fucking charge with a second left. Yeah. Have you ever seen a charge? charged called with 1.1 second. I'm trying to, I'm racking my brain.

I'm sure I have. Yeah, but I can't. It's not common. No. It's not even common to get a defensive foul at that point. People are hacking. It's still not common. Daly's heroics aside,

Center Michael Cage made the victory possible. In the final three minutes and eight seconds, he scored eight points off six offensive rebounds. Oh, off offensive rebound, sorry. As the Sonics cut Indiana's lead from 82, 74 to 85, 84 with a minute 4 to play. Forward Xavier McDaniel, the X-Man.

Fuck yeah. Tied the game at 86 with an off-balance six-foot shot with 28 seconds left, giving him 25 for the game. Wow, not bad. Then forward, Derek McKee deflected a pass by guard Reggie Miller.

Jesus, this are just old-timey names. Yeah, this is a great game. No shit. Dally grabbed the ball and streaked up court. He was fouled at mid-court by center Rick Smiths. There's a big 7-foot 404. from Maris College. Miller, Indiana's leading score,

24.5 average, and chosen for the East All-Star team, led the Pacers in scoring with 23 points, but he did not attempt a shot in the fourth quarter. Jesus. He led the team in scoring and didn't even try in the fourth. 23 points and then didn't even have a shot in the fourth.

My God. Daly will fill a big scoring void for the Sonics, President Bob Witts, Wittzitt said. He's a player who can provide instant offense and it's no secret with Dale Ellis, another crime and sports alum, and Sadal Threat out there that we need someone who can put the ball in the basket. They said that Threat is out perhaps four weeks with a broken bone in his right hand and Ellis is also out with a broken ribs suffered in a car accident, which we talked about on the Dale Ellis episode. While in the CBA, Daley, a seven-year veteran said he was trying to work back into shape and trying to decide if he wanted to continue playing after being cut loose by the Lakers.

Wow. So the Sonics are 41 and 41 that year. So good enough for fourth place in the Pacific Division. Dale Ellis, Xavier McDaniel, Derek McKee, Michael Cage, Nate McMillan, he was really good. Sadal Threat, Dana Barros, Quinton Daly, a 20-year-old Sean Kemp on that team. Wow. Olden-Polinesse. Well, there's a few alum on this team.

Kemp, Polonis, fucking Ellis. Holy shit. Brad Seller, Steve Johnson, Avery Johnson. Jesus. Jim Farmer, Scott Meets. What the fuck is that? Like Meets? Meets. M-E-E-N-T-S.

Meantz. It's impossible to pronounce. Meantz. You can't pronounce that. It's ridiculous. February 22nd, 1990, he signs a contract for the rest of the season with the Sonics. They're going to keep him. They're going to keep him.

March 29th, 1990. Quinton Daly Jr. is born. Oh, he got one. He has to break every crime and sports rule there is. He really does. Besides hiring a teenager to murder somebody, he has done everything. I don't think he's found God yet. Has he become a fake Christian yet?

Not yet. Give him some time, I'm sure. Quentin Daly Jr., by the way, is also a basketball player who played at Eastern Michigan later. Eastern Michigan. Eastern Michigan. This year, he plays in 30 games, Quentin Senior. Two started, averages 8.2 points a game, by far a career low. Not good.

But the Sonics sign him to a two-year contract in October of 1990. How about it? Not bad. He is ready to play now. 90-91 Super Sonics. They're 41 and 41 again. Wow. Wow.

Coach by Casey Jones, the former Celtics coach, who won titles with the Celtics in the 80s. But they didn't make the playoffs with that, right? 41 and 41. They go to the playoffs and lose in the first round to Portland. Okay. Now, not much of a change this year. I'm looking at Ricky Pierce they got. Now shooting guard, who was almost the sixth man of the year.

That's about Gary Payton also, because he's a rookie that year. So they get Gary Payton, who started all 82 games for them. How about to be a staple in the playoffs now? Gary Payton started all 82 games and only averaged 7.2 points a game that year. In his rookie season? Isn't that wild? Yeah. His rookie season.

His job wasn't necessarily points at that point. His defense. He averaged two steals a game. He's a lockdown point guard defender. So two steals a game is by far as team leader. How many assists? 6.4. Wow.

That's not a ton. Not a ton. I mean, leaving this team, but they were also not a great team. So Daley and Sonics, this is December 7th, 9th. Daily and Sonics, edge heat. Losing streak ends at six. The fans behind the Sonics bench were calling him donuts, but Quentin Daly didn't mind a bit. Donuts.

He said, quote, all I know is when I go in the game, I'm going to play hard, and that's what I did. The Chunky Seattle Guard said. Jesus Christ. A fat fuck mumbled. That's the newspaper. He called him the chunky Seattle Guard. When they were calling me donuts, I said, go ahead and call me anything you want. Just look at the scoreboard.

If they don't respect me for what I do, the hell with them. Yeah, I mean, that's just, that's what you say about everything. The hell with it. Yeah. By the way, got any donuts? Those sound great. Are they offering me donuts? What's going on back here?

I'd love a donut. Oh, you're calling you. Fuck you. Hey. That's bullshit. Mixed messaging, not even being real clear about what they're doing. Weird. At least you can throw donuts at me.

That I can accept. Yeah, I'll catch them on my mouth. Yeah, if you're not going to bring them, the hell with you. Yeah, fuck you then. Daley earned the respect of his teammates and probably two young Miami players Thursday night when he led a second half Seattle surge that helped the Sonics break a six-game losing streak with a 105-103 win. Daly played just seven minutes, but they were seven very offensive minutes. He scored eight points with three field goals against third-year player Kevin Edwards.

Then he induced two fouls out of second-year forward Glenn Rice, who was two. busy thinking about Sarah Palin's tits to fucking concentrate on not fouling, Quentin Daly at that point in his career. Remembering a better time. Yeah, who was threatening to take the game over with his shooting. The second foul by Rice was his fifth

and forced Miami coach Ron Rothstein to replace him. Daly came in with 212 left in the third quarter when the Sonics were clinging to a 73-71 lead. By the time he returned to the bench with 733, remaining in the game, the Sonics were up 91-82. Seattle coach Casey Jones said we saw a nice match up there with Quentin on Edwards.

He knows what we want him to take the ball to the basket, and he definitely got the job done. All right. January 10, 91, Sonics put Daly on the injured reserve list after injuring his right hamstring. So they activated Scott Meantz. Meantz, that's hard to say, who was activated to Phil. So there we go. They called Daly a 6-4 guard. He must have grown an inch.

How about that? Lossed weight. Stretched it out. That's pretty good. Losing weight and grown tall. January 25th, 1991. He returns to the Sonics. They reactivate him.

He missed the six games with a pulled right hamstring. And he's back now. Okay. Scott Meats, by the way, suffered a recurring, a recurrence of a sprained right arch and was returned to the injury list. You can sprain your arch? I didn't know that at all. So he has an impossible name. an injury that I've never heard of.

Go away, means. Okay. March 4th, 1991, Sonics leave out of shape, Daly behind. Uh-oh. Quinton Daly, who's playing time with the Sonics, has decreased as his waistline has grown, did not accompany the team to California Sunday night for tonight's game with Golden State.

Too many golden corrals there. They didn't trust it. Yeah. This is the Golden State. Wow. Left behind for disciplinary reasons, Coach Casey Jones said, quote, he's got to get in shape. He's been packing some pounds on. He's no use to us being totally

out of condition. So why have him at the game if he's not in shape? He's got to work on it. Jesus Christ. He said the punishment was not a suspension and that Daley is expected to be in uniform for the next game against Cleveland. But he's not doing well here. He was injured. So he's sitting there and his weights increased during his stay on the injured list. So they're Like, they said his girth provided, has provided some amusement for Sonics fans. When Daly entered Friday night's game with Charlotte in the closing minutes, a fan near midcourt hollered, hey, Daley, what's for dinner? Dale, who did not play Saturday night against Sacramento could not be reached for comment Sunday. Jesus Christ.

April 20. What's for dinner, you fat fuck. Hey, where are you going? I could use some calories. April 21st, 1991, K.C. Jones seemed to confirmed Saturday that reserve guard Quentin Daly likely won't return to the team next season. Really?

Worn out is a fucking, he's so fat he wears out welcomes like carpeting. Carpeting and welcome, he wears out. Where's down the welcome matter? Yes, he does. Asked if Daly has a future with the team, Casey Jones paused and said, I don't know. It's been a rough year for him.

He reacted very different, and I can understand some of it, but he's more or less very bitter about his lack of playing. time so we don't know. He said, we'll wait till after the season, basically. That's the tough part. That's tough. If your job wanes on you and you get no playing time, I'm just going to eat, man. If that's what I want to do anyway. But they want him to go, shit, I'm getting less playing time. I better get in better shape. Stop eating, right. Which, I mean, honestly, it's up to you. Yeah. You don't want to do it. Then don't be here. We'll hire somebody else, you know.

So they said that his only recent appearance with the team was at a recent practice after which he's stalked angrily from the gymnasium. So he's just an angry guy sometimes. He played in 30 games that year, only averaged 10 minutes a game, which I mean he's barely playing garbage time. 6.1 points a game, definitely a career low. 0.5 assists, fucking 1.1 rebounds. Not good at all. He made $425, though. That's good buffet money.

How old is he? Christ, 29, maybe at this point, 30. He stays on the roster. They have him in 91, 92. So they talk shit and they brought him back anyway. 91, 92, Seattle Supersonics here, 47 and 35.

Wow. This is when they started to get better, as we remember. And that reason is they fired Casey Jones, who was 18 and 18, had another guy as an interim for four games, then hired George Carl, who will be there for years and years and years and years and finished out the season 27 and 15 with them.

Was it Adelman that was between the two? No, Bob Kloppenberg. Oh, I'll never guess that. Probably some team executive or one of the assistant coaches or somebody like that. Assistant probably bumped up to interim. Yeah. Yep. Either way, they go to the playoffs this year at 47 and 35.

They, in the first round against Golden State, oh man, remember that Golden State team? The best video game team of the 90s, that Golden State. State team. 92. 91, 92. Oh, my, you had fucking, you had, no, no, no,

Tim Hardaway, Latrell Sprewell. Oh, Chris Weber. Chris Weber, Billy Owens at the four, who was at the three on that team?

Was it Smith? Mullen, Chris Mullen. Chris Mullen. It was Hardaway, Oh, yeah. Spreewell, Mullen, Billy Owens, Chris Weber. That was this, on a video game,

that team crushed back then. They were so much fun to play with. I was seeing it as the purple and black and silver. It's the yellow and blue. The Warriors. Yeah, the yellow and blue. Oh, I'm seeing Kings.

Never mind. No, no, Warriors. Why am I seeing Kings? I don't know. Chris Weber was there. Holden State. Wow. Chris Webb, they had just drafted him.

Yeah. Well, they didn't draft him. He got traded, but he got drafted by Orlando, right? And they traded him with Penny. Yeah. Yeah, that whole deal. So that was the most fun video game team with all time. They were so much fun because you had Hardaway, had the moves.

Spreewell would drive to the basket. He could dunk. You had fucking mullin popping the threes on the outside. Perfect video game set up. And oftentimes, too, Hardaway would hit threes. Yeah, you could bang a three or two also here. So they went in the first round three to one. They beat the Warriors and go to the second round where they lose in five to the jazz.

Got picked and rolled to death over there. So this is Ricky Pierce, Derek McKee. Gary Payton, Benoit, Benjamin, Michael Cage, Eddie Johnson. Not that Eddie Johnson. Nope. Not fast, Eddie Johnson. Better Eddie, yeah.

Sean Kept, Nate McMillan, Dana Barrows, Tony Brown, Quentin Daly, Marty Conlin, Bart, Co-Food. Co-Food? How fuck is that? And Rich King. October 6, 1981, Quentin Daly hospitalized. Uh-oh.

For treatment of adult residual attention deficit disorder. Who the fuck is hospitalized? for ADD. Hospitalized? What is that? I've never, ever, ever heard of a human being being hospitalized for ADD. Have you? No.

I've never heard that. I can't concentrate. Put me in a bed? What the fuck? That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. I know there's a lot more to it, but never, it's not a medical, like a, put me in the hospital problem. I've never heard of that.

They said that can produce hyperactivity and mood swings. Is he fucking bipolar? Is that the problem? I don't know. When he's manic, he's up. When he's got mood swings, he's deprived. I don't know what's going on. But Daly missed the first day of training camp with the approval of his coach.

The disorder is linked to a shortage of dopamine, a neurotransmitter in the attention control area of the brain. The article goes on to say, the Sonics said in a statement that the hospitalization was not drug-related. It's not. Whatever you say. October 31st, 1991, he's on the suspended list. here. Daly is in a California drug after care clinic.

Exactly. You son of a bitch. Exactly. He was sure he was hospitalized for ADD. He's on fucking drugs again. Yeah. He says, though,

battling an emotional disorder. A sonic spokesman said the club expects to activate him within a week, which would necessitate another roster change. So he's going to drug after care clinic battling an emotional disorder. don't know if it's drugs or what.

November 6th, 1981, guess what? He's good now. Yeah? Good now, yeah. Quentin Daly of the Sonics insists he will be a changed man for his 10th NBA season. How many times has he been a changed man so far? Well, I mean, it doesn't. Yeah, but he's really going to do it now.

Really going to do it now. I mean, if he doesn't do it now, it'll be never because he's 30. I mean, get your shit together. That's not good. Yeah, time's running out. He has rejoined the team after being hospitalized in Calabasas during the past month for what has been diagnosed as a form of adult residual attention deficit. Those afflicted with the disorder are hyperactive, distractible, and impulsive.

They have short attention spans. He's now taking medicine to help medication to calm him down. The Sonics placed him on the league's suspended list because he was in the hospital. He missed training camp and the exhibition season, finally joining the team for practice Monday. He must miss a minimum of five games for the suspension. Daly was unhappy over his lack of playing time. He was overweight, sulked, and had emotional outbursts.

He admits he was tough to live with for his coach, Casey Jones, and his teammates. Daly said, quote, I feel really bad about the end of last season. I was going nutty, that's all. I'm a real intense player and I don't like losing. I wanted to be on the court. I took it personally. Right. I took it personally.

Daly has said that he has told Jones that he will be a model citizen this season. Okay. I'm good now. He said, I'll be down there in that last corner cheerleading. And when my number's called, I'll go out and play. I won't bitch, basically. So, yeah, he says he's, his condition had a lot to do with his off-the-court problems over the years. Now he's blaming everything on the fact that he has ADD.

Oh. I did Coke. I ate like a pig. I disobeyed coaches. I fucking almost rate the chick. I couldn't focus. So I got Coke. Very distractible.

So I had to break into a chick. room and threaten a raper. Yeah. Wow. He said, I'm still the same Quentin, but not the evil mood changing Quentin. He said, I need to intimidate a little bit. I need to make people afraid of me. It's like you don't know when I'm going to go off.

I need to keep an edge. He said that he doesn't want anybody to think he's going to be passive on the court. He's like, I'll still be a nut on the court, but not off the court. So he's going to be a model citizen. I mean, he should be the MVP of the league, right? Yeah, right. Everything's fine. December 11th, 1991,

Sonic's Wave Daily. Oh, it's over. Yep, it is all over. He'll be replaced by Bart Kofood, Kofian. Jesus. They said the move was made because of a dispute over playing time. Remember, he said he was going to just cheer lead and when he gets called to play.

He's appeared in only 11 of the games 19, 11 of the team's 19 games, and has averaged nine minutes and 2.8 points per game. Jones said he was very upset with the minutes or the lack of minutes. He was a great player years ago, but he was out of shape. In other words, he's over. Wow. Daley was in his third year with the Sonics.

So he played 11 games this year, started one, 2.8 points a game. Not good. 425 grand that year. That is the end of his NBA career. It's over. 10 seasons. It's not bad, but how much money did he make? Not a lot.

And as far as NBA salaries go, we've only compiled here, and this may be incomplete, according to basketball reference, but $2,145,000. Uh-oh. That's not good. No. Not good. So New Year's Eve, 1991, Daily finds a job with the Sun Kings. Yeah.

The Yakima Sun Kings, who we've talked. talked about before, and I believe people sent us Yakima Sun King's merchandise. Did they not? I've got a big shirt of theirs. We have Yakima Sun King's gear that someone sent because we were making fun of them about seven years ago of the CBA. The Sun Kings are one and 22 this season. Jesus. Holy. Holy. It's like, I'm going to go out a team that's worse than the Clippers. Holy Shit. They've won one game. Wow. He played in one game and missed all three shots he took. He said, I struggled today, but that will change. I'm not Superman, but I feel I can help change things here.

Right. Wow. He said that, quote, nobody knows I'm skinny. So he dropped 20 pounds since the end of last season. He said, I want to make the statement that I can still play. I want to go back to the NBA. But if I stay here the whole year, that's okay. Something like that doesn't phase me as much as it used to.

As much as it used to. As much as it used to. It doesn't bother me now. I'll stay here. Oh, man, but he says it's fine because he says, quote, I've been on the bottom so long, just making it through another day puts me on top. Yeah, the bottom's starting to feel like home. That's right. Daly considered one of professional basketball's all-time troubled souls.

Earlier this week at Moline, at Moline's Wharfton Fieldhouse, Daly's CBA Yakima Sun Kings were down in town to play the Quad City Thunder. Jesus. Oh, here he goes. I have survived. And through the grace of God, maybe this is him breaking another rule. Come on. It looks as though I'll survive

to try again tomorrow. Wow. By the way, he said about, they talked to him about his whole career and he talks about the pleading guilty to the assault charge early in his career. He says, I pleaded guilty to the assault charges

to keep my career going. That's how dumb and lost I was at the time. I didn't plea bargain. The people doing the case plea bargain with me. I was 21 from a dysfunctional family situation and I was all messed up inside. I didn't know from day to day how I was going to react in any situation. I was a boy dressed up in a man's body trying to keep his head above water in an adult society. I'm sorry it all happened.

I'm sorry for a lot of things in my life. Every day the rest of my life I could say I'm sorry for messing up. Wow. Interesting. At least it feels bad. He does. He talks about when his mother died And he said it was just a place for me to hang out

Meaning his taken in by his aunts in Baltimore He said that in later years After talking to my millionth therapist They told me my background played a big part In some of my abnormal behavior Well no shit, obviously Yeah He said I was from a dysfunctional setting

And wasn't ready to deal with certain aspects of life When I did And of course I didn't help things By thinking basketball would get me through it all Hey, you just play your way out of it That's not how it works I guess after his first season, he sought psychiatric help twice a week. He was hit with his first drug-related setback, and he said fans and teammates and media forced him to choose drugs.

Hold on. I got to read this from the start. All right. He said, fans, media, teammates, and treatment by the Bulls organization forced him to choose drugs as an outlet. You guys drove me to use. You just cut up a line right in front of me. help him. He said, I made a mistake and people were never, ever going to let me forget about it. I'm human, but when the whole world is as much hostility toward you as it had toward me,

you might have sought drugs as an outlet like I did. You broke into a chick's dorm room and almost raped her. Bill Cartwright cuts a hell of a line, James. Wow. Yeah. He said, everybody hated me. You wouldn't believe some of the things people would say and do to me. I was just keeping my mouth shut, trying to play and it just started to mount. So I decided there were outlets for me to take. I'm not going to say it was a nightmare, but if there was such a thing as living in a real bad dream, I was living it.

There it is. He said that I started to believe I could get by with getting high and playing the game. It's a rhyme. It sounds fun. I mean, yeah. He said, and I really didn't care. I like the feeling, the high. It allowed me to escape the hatred.

He said in a positive vein, it would be the last time drugs would catch up to daily, though a weight problem is into that now. He said, I turned everything into food. I was eating every time I started to get itchy about doing drugs. See? I really ballooned.

I've never been able to channel things evenly. He had like the Chris Farley thing. Yeah. I remember seeing an interview, Chris Farley, he said that he has four things, and they're like whack-a-mole where he can't keep all four down at the same time. He has like food, booze, drugs, and something else.

And he said, if I keep the drugs and the booze down, the food pops up. If I keep the food down, the drugs pop up. He goes, I can't keep all four things down. I got to have one thing up and I always have one thing up. He said, it's hard. That's why you'd see Farley when he got really fat. That's when he was sober for a while. And then, you know, whatever.

He says, I know I'll be back as a player because someone always needs a veteran who can shoot the ball. I'll be back. No, you won't, actually. He said, but now, though, I'm having the time of. my life here in the CBA with these kids. Wow. His coach... How of his life, huh?

Yeah. His coach, Robert Reed, who is the dad from the Brady bunch. Oh? That's the guy's name. Robert Reed, I think was the actor who died of AIDS, who was the dad of the Brady bunch. He said, we're trying to make this a professional organization, and I've given quit and a lot of responsibility.

If there's something he sees and doesn't like, he has the okay to remedy the situation. Oh, he's a lot to fix things? He gave him the... I don't know. that's like a leaky faucet in the locker room or if he's allowed to like tell other players what to do or what. But I'm not sure if he brought his tools with him. I don't know how this goes. He said a lot of people I've always been down on Quentin, but I have nothing but good stories about him.

He said the new role fits Daly just fine. He's married with two children. And he says for so many years, there's always been someone who was told to watch out for me. Daly says, now it's my turn to watch out for someone else. Robert's a professional and he allows me some responsibilities I've never had and it's great. He's like a coach on the floor, basically. Daley has a couple of plans for the future. He says, I'm still young.

I figure that with all the time I've got, all the time I've missed over the years, I've really only played about six full seasons. I have a good four years left. I'm looking to play and then get this referee. Oh. Oh, okay. He said, could you imagine the faces of all the guys. who treated me like crap over the years,

if I turned up as an official, they would die. Yeah, and the jokes about the white lines on your shirt would be endless. Endless. And they go, yeah, he's got vertical to make them look thinner. That's good. Fat jokes, Coke jokes. So he wants to get a whole separate career to give like, for vindication.

Spight fouls against teams that he played for. What a weird fucking thing. Okay, October 1st 92 traded, the Yakima Sun Kings. Oh, traded Jerry Stroman forward and the rights to Pete Freeman forward to the Yakima Sun Kings for Quentin Daly and future considerations.

Who did? The team traded him to the Oklahoma City Cavalry. Oh. Who signed him. So now he's out of the league. He thinks he's coming back. He really wants people to feel for him. Yeah.

But he can't even hang on with an under team. They traded him, which means he's probably been a pain in the ass as all I can imagine. So it's very strange what's going on here. He wants people to almost like feel bad for him, even though he has absolutely went out of his way to throw away every opportunity given to him. He was so cocky for so long of just, there's always more opportunities. Someone will love me and now it's just over. I'll be back. I'll be back.

I mean, I kind of feel bad for the guy almost, you know, but not nearly as bad, Jimmy, as I feel for Quentin Daly, experienced sales leader driving revenue growth and team success. How'd a boy. This is his son, actually. Is that right? Junior, Eastern Michigan University. So that's his son there. Yep. Quentin Daly, Boat House attendant at the Metropolitan District in Manchester, Connecticut.

Boat House attendant. What even is that? I don't know. I doubt this Quintan Daly could get a job doing that. That's the thing. Likely not. Also, Quentin Daly, holy shit, orthopedic specialist. Jesus, Quentin Daly, P.T. D.P.T. MTC.

What is that? Therapy? Physical therapist, rehab professional, human movement specialist. Wow. Gross. March 27th, 1994. Daly finds hope in the glitter of Vegas. Nice.

That's good for him, just what he needs. Buffets and available drugs. Lots of code. Perfect. Yeah. How Quentin Daly is going about establishing a new life for himself, merits attention and applause. He was caught in a tailspin of turmoil, and if the pattern continued, he would have crashed

against the wall. Dead end. And they go over his charges of this, charges of that, overreeding, and whatever. Daly's productive 10-year career in the NBA has played out. He's decided he'd take it. his wife, Angela and their two young children to a city that afforded year-round sunshine and a chance where the future might offer him a new opportunity. He picked Las Vegas. Vegas, yeah. Not only, not exactly an appropriate site for finding yourself where the neon entices and the action is

nonstop, a different environment for self-reformation, but Daley has brought about positive change. It was his desire to stay in the game as a referee, but he didn't know how to begin. He called the Las Vegas Boys and Girls Club to volunteer as a coach with the basketball program. Activities director Tish Murray told him a paid position was open and interviews were underway. Daly showed up, made a favorable impression, and won the appointment. Got it. Murray says he's been remarkable. His rapport with the kids is incredible.

Quentin relates well, he's been down. He is a giant kid. That's why he's never matured. He's been down a lot of roads where they are tempted to go and tells them in no uncertain terms, the problems they need to avoid. The Las Vegas Boys and Girls Club has more than 500 members and answers the needs of children ages 7 to 18 of diversified backgrounds. They said, Daley has a natural way of instilling confidence.

The crowd, they crowd his office to discuss their troubles and answer questions, yet never a put down but to offer advice. Daly said, they tell me their deepest secrets. Most of them don't want to do bad things. They just get in the wrong place at the wrong time. My idea is to attack their attitudes and point them in the right direction. Often they'll come back and tell me I was right. It's satisfying to know you can make a difference.

He thinks of a coach who once disciplined him in Baltimore because he was unhappy with his conduct. And that was his coach in high school. He said he had a firm hand and made me do what was best for the team. As a sophomore, he put a check on me when I was. too big for myself. I quit, thought about it, and asked for another chance. He let me come back, but I had to earn it. He said, I'm blessed to be here, carrying a message. Something like Moses to these kids. Holy fucking shit. I've got these plates. Now he's Moses. Now he's Moses, Jimmy. Bringing the commandments to him. I'm showing him right from the top of the mountain. I'm bringing

him down, showing the kids. Wow. I can't, he just compared himself to Moses. He said, my feeling is parents have to take notice of their kids, even tap their butt if they're out of that, if they're out of line. That means they care. Hit your kids, everybody. That means you care. He's spanking children? He said the parents need to. He didn't say he did. He said the quote, my feeling is parents have to take notice of kids. Yeah. For now, though, Daley is elated with what he's doing. The kids call him Q and hold him in. high trust. Such responsibility has brought out the best in Quentin Daly, who's rebounded to demonstrate good and helpful qualities that are inherent within the human spirit. Right. Right under

that, by the way, is free treatment for cocaine and alcohol abuse. There's an act. That's perfect. Men 18 to 45 who want to stop using both cocaine and alcohol research study at Yukon Health Center involving eight weeks of medication and twice daily counseling. And signing off that you will not sue if this medication hurts you. Yeah, if this shit fucks you up. If you grow an extra penis, you'll be fine with that.

You're fine with that. 1996 here, he was hired by the Clark County Parks and Recreation Department eventually became a recreation and cultural program supervisor. Wow.

With a variety of responsibilities including gang interventions, sports, and special events. He also refereed basketball games from 2000 to 2010. Well, he figured out how to start, yeah. He did it. He seems to, he seems to actually be good now. He needed to get out of the spotlight. Yeah. The spotlight, bad for him. He's like, yeah, get out of the arenas. Well, it would

drive up his ego, which would then crash, and then that would be self-loathing, and it was the cycle of either huge ego swings or massive self-loathing crashes, either one of the two, because he was living and dying on what everybody else thought of him, which is can't live like that. So June 29, 1999, Chicago Tribune writes an article on him, Outcast to Roll Model. Yeah. The guy couldn't be doing better. Yep.

They said, all Quentin Daly wanted to do was hide, which had been a recurring theme and a life dog by controversy. His once promising NBA career stood as nothing more than a turbulent means to somewhat profitable end. Now it was time to escape the public eye and live peacefully in relative obscurity. Daly has packed up his family in 93, moved to Vegas. Okay.

Daly said, quote, with all the boxing and gambling in this town, nobody is worried if Quentin Daly lives here. Things I'm doing are starting to get me noticed again,

but it's just my job and I'm going about my business. He said he's great. Boxing and gambling is what? Vegas is famous for all the big boxing matches, especially in the 90s. That was a big deal.

So he serves as a supervisor of new directions for youth under the ages of the Clark County Parks and Rec Department. He says that it's a misnomer to describe it as a program for at-risk kids because, quote, all kids are at risk. Yes. Yeah.

He said it's for kids who have, yeah, all kids. He said it's for kids who have nothing to do. And I'm talking to these teenagers about my life and many of them ask, are you telling the truth? I express feelings beyond what happened to me and help nurture these kids. Daily stands as a role model at the center of their world. Wow. He said he's just a different guy now. He said, Dale, he said, picture an old gym coach.

That's what I look like now. Oh, no. I just gained weight and I haven't played basketball in years. He's got to be an old fat, happy guy. That's pretty fucking funny. He said, I always ask these kids, are you in shape? And most of them aren't. I still torment them with my shooting when we play horse or pig.

I tell them, I'm a fat man and I can out shoot you. We have a good time. must be a fat fuck now. He doesn't have to run anymore. Imagine. When he was running 20 miles a day, he was getting fat. Imagine what he's doing now. Holy shit.

Daly runs a midnight basketball league on Friday and Saturday nights and a soccer league on Saturdays. There's also flag football, after school programs, group trips to the mountains and the desert and drug and gang prevention seminars. Oof. A few weeks ago, Daly ran a safe night for 150 teenagers focusing on anger management and the evils of guns and gangs. Great.

He said, we find out what problems they have and give them activities other than being on the strip or doing damage to themselves. That's tremendous. We teach them social skills because that's where the conflicts come from. Many of these kids have no structure and they're sectioned off by the area where they live, like in every town. I tell them the way of winning is putting differences aside and working together. By the end of the summer, they're best friends and you can't get between them. he also I guess brings Dave Corzine in here

Dave Corzine said he's human so you know it was bothering him he's trying to fit into the league as a rookie with a lot of expectations as a first round draft pick and he has all this around him there was nowhere to run and hide he just had to show up and play and practice

Rod Thorne said we debated making that pick it obviously didn't work out very well that Thorne's kind of a prick in the episode here. We debated it heavily and yeah, I've made the wrong choice. Father's Day was supposed to be a very simple Sunday for Daley, spend a little time with his 12-year-old daughter, Quincy and his nine-year-old son, Tony, who's actually

Quentin Jr., but they call him Tony, who lives with their mother, Daly's ex-wife in Las Vegas. Now he's divorced. Before the day was over, Daly had to leave the house to find a moment of silence. He said, a lot of the kids I work with, the kids who don't have parents, were calling to wish me happy father's day. I got over 100 cards. It made my day.

That's the real rewarding part of my job. He said, last year, Daly persuaded a youngster who was running drugs to play in one of his flag football leagues. The kid recently paid Daley a visit six months after the league ended, and Daley said, quote, he's going back to high school and thank me

for what I did. I still want him to know there's more to life than sports. There's a ladder. There's drugs, and then there's sports. So, drugs are, sports are well out of drugs. Let's be happy with sports for now. I'd rather a kid be addicted to flag football than totally. Yeah. In

Daly's mind, life began after sports ended. Unlike most athletes, he doesn't treasure his All-America recognition or his status as a number one draft pick. He values friendships and family and the opportunity to blend into the Las Vegas background. They said,

nobody can judge you if they don't know where you are. That's a funny line. They can't find you. They can't judge you. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know where a lot of people are. I judge the shit out of them. Yeah, yeah. If you forget about them, you forget to judge them, too, though. Yeah, there's that. Yeah. You're like, if someone brings them up, you go, yeah, that guy. And then you can judge him. But otherwise, it's hard. A side out of mind is a good point. He said, I never wanted the limelight. I just want to see people smile and see children grow. I want to be behind the scenes and make it work. Okay. November 8th.

19, or I'm sorry, November 8th, 2010, Quintendalee dies in his home. Oh, no. Yeah, I didn't expect that, huh? What happened? 49 years old. Oh, he's so young. Not even 50. He died.

What he do? Wow. They confirmed he died from hypertensive cardiovascular disease. Heart attack. Heart attack. Bad, probably hypertension to begin with. And then he got fat. That's not great either.

They said he's been helping at-risk kids. He's been doing great. officiating high school basketball games, was preparing to work the upcoming season. His former coach at the University of San Francisco said not only was Quentin a tremendous player, he was a terrific worker. Well, let's not go crazy here. When the ball went up, nobody competed harder than he did.

I always appreciated his hard work and his ability to rise to the occasion. It's a shame that he passed so early. Holy shit. I would say so. Yeah, it's crazy. Just a natural-ass heart attack, huh? I mean, it's not natural, but not a cocaine, massive coke overdose or anything. No, I think he was totally cleaned up and all that.

The head of the Southern Nevada Officials Association said, I was with him Sunday night at our basketball referees meeting. He said he had dropped some weight and was excited and looking forward for the season. I'm just so shocked. Daley was proud of his son, Quentin Jr., who made Allstate during his senior year at Bishop Gordon, Quentin Jr., a starting guard at Eastern Michigan University. on his Twitter account, Daley's son said,

Tomorrow ain't promised, R. I P. Quinton Daly, senior. I love you, dad. Oh, boy. Yeah, another guy who coached the younger Daly. One of his coaches in high school, his son's coach, said he was great. Q and I had a great relationship. He was always at all his son's games. I remember when he went back to Washington, D.C. in 2006, to play in a tournament,

and he was there, and everyone was coming up to him to say hello. he was a legend in Baltimore, and it was nice to see. In addition to his son, Daley survived by his daughter, that's how it goes here. So, holy. Didn't make a lot of money or anything like that. Made almost nothing. Yeah, that's right. Now, there is something about him not sports-related in a movie that will last forever.

In a 1985 film to live and die in L.A., which I remember that film, directed by William Friedkin, who was directed one of, He's a good director anyway. Daley's performance in a Bulls game was praised by the main character, Richard Chance, who's William Peterson, who is the guy from CSI, the gray-haired guy. Oh, wow. Yeah. When he remarks, Quentin Daly got 30 points. That guy's unbelievable, man.

Say all you want about Michael Jordan. He's a great fucking ball player, but Quentin Daly's got a gun like a howitzer, man. 30 feet, boom, boom, boom. He gets hot. He's fabulous. You said that in what movie? In the movie? To live and die in L.A.

Okay. If I was Quentin Daly, I would have brought everybody to see that movie all time. You got to see this movie. It's fucking great here. Can't get enough of Quentin Daly? Well, you can get online. And a 1991, 92, God, I can't believe it. NBA Hoops card.

Remember we just brought this up. Number 439, that is $1.55. That's steep, in it? I mean, I don't know how much cheaper it could be. I mean, the most common cards were 15 cents or whatever the fuck. but five cents or whatever. I don't think they were much lower than that, right? No.

And then there's also that for Commons, yeah. There's also an 89-90 hoops card signed and graded by Beckett as well. I don't know the price on this thing, but you can find it and order it if you want. Also a vintage 80s Quentin Daly, L.A. Gear basketball shirt. L.A. Gear. Remember L.A. Gear? The chicks all had them and they had like the two tongues. Remember, like the split weird tongues?

They had the light-up shoes, too. They had those, too. But those were like every 80s-Ladies workout shoes were those L.A. gears. This is the Quentin Daly, L.A. Gear Summer Basketball Camp. That's fucking awesome, actually. $23.72. I might get that for the office. That's pretty good here for the studio.

I'm trying to find some L.A. gear shirts. No, shit. Also, an 85 Star Telegram. I'm sorry, Star Team Super. Quinton Daly basketball card, graded a nine by Beckett. So it's in the plastic, in a graded plastic. $100. Wow.

And that's just because it's a graded nine. These graded nine cards, people, that card is a 10-cent card, but graded nine, now it's $100 because people put together sets based on grades. And they're rare, too, a nine. There might be only 50-9s in the world or some shit like that. So there you go, everybody. That is Quentin Daly. Wow, he's dead.

He's dead. All that, and he didn't even live to three parts and he didn't even live to 50. Shocking. Think about that. Man, Quentin, we hardly knew ye. Quentin's a guy here. He seems like he came up, didn't have a lot of skills, and the fact that his parents died so early and at the same time fucked him all up. He did not have the social skills and didn't have the, nobody was telling him.

telling him what to do correctly. And he just got this weird, I'll play through it type of shit. But in the end, he turned out to really be good now. Turned out to be a great guy. Probably changed hundreds of kids' lives. Good for him. Yeah. We rarely get this.

You know what I mean? It's rare. It's just a bummer that it ended so tragically, so quickly. I know. He was going to be up for the, you know. Yeah, for the Root Forum Awards. One of the awards here for the Turning and Around Award. Like, it's sad.

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