Crime in Sports - Making A Murderer - "Irish" Tommy Eaglin - Part 1

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

This week, we look at a boxer, who may have had the worst childhood in Crime In Sports history. He suffered unmatched abuse by his father, who had also abused his teen mother. He was sent to live with all kinds of different people, while always having his father come back, to abuse him. He finally broke away from this terrible start, to a blossoming boxing career, but that's cut short by getting arrested. For murder. He was accused, and the state decided to go for the death penalty! What will become of his saga, in the next couple of weeks???   Be born to a teen mother, who was abused by your father, be hung up by your ankles, while your father punches your face, then unsurprisingly be accused of a strip club parking lot murder with Tommy Eaglin - Part 1!!   Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports [e-mail]

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And you get a shout out at the end of the show. Jimmy, you'll mess your name all up. Don't you worry about that. That said, I think we'll, time to get into this. What do you say here? Let's start with our guy here. Dwight Thomas Eaglin, E-A-G-L-I-N. Never heard of him, right?

Good reason. No. He's got several nicknames. He's a boxer. I mean, barely, but he's a boxer. One of them is Tommy Eaglin. One of them, they call him Irish, and they also call him the Fighting Irishman. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, he was born December 23rd, 1975. Where is he born, Jimmy? Ireland? Clearwater, Florida. That's right, exactly. I love it. The fighting Irishman out of Clearwater, Florida here.

Yeah. So that's what he did. And that's where he's born. And we'll talk all about him here. His mother and father are a fucked up wild, crazy story. His mother's name is Anita Bowling, B-O-W-E-W-E-W. L-I-N-G and his father is Kenneth Eagland Jr. So his dad's a junior

right away, that's a problem. He's got an older brother named Donald and we'll find out how this happened. Now, right away, before he's born, I'm calling grace. I'm calling grace when his mother is

11. Grace when his mom is 11. So a few years before he's even inside of her womb, I'm saying grace for him. Incredible. right then. It's not good what happens here. Now, okay, he's born, like we said, in Clearwater, Florida, all that. Now, his mother Anita met his father, Kenneth when his mother was 12 and his father was in his 30s.

30s. What? This is not good, dude. Why were they meeting? Well, during the time, he lived with the mother's family. He moved in as like a, I don't know if he's a boring. or a friend of the family or what, but he moved in and had,

I mean, raped Anita because she's 12. There's no, even if he was 13, that's crazy. But, you know, this is,

this is in 30s is nuts for 12. Gross. Yeah. Not only had an abusive relationship with Anita, also Anita's mother, was also fucking Anita's mother and Anita's two sisters as well. He was fucking a mother.

and her three daughters. Not sure the age of the sisters. He's having sex with every woman in the house. Every woman in the, he's like the house rooster. His job is too. Every female in the house. Let's not call him women.

No, not women at all. Every female human in the entire house he is having sex with. Boy. Whether legal in the eyes of the law or not. He is crazy. Right. So at 15. years old. Unsurprisingly,

Anita gives birth to young Donald, who is our guy's older brother here. Dwight's older brother. Okay. Gives birth to Donald. Now, Jesus, this is fucking horrifying.

Kenneth was 30 at that time. So he was in his late 20s, to be fair, when he was raping a 12 year old, which makes it much better, obviously. So fucked up. Ugh, God. After Donald's birth, Anita marries this guy. Marries.

Why? Marries him because she's 15 and has a baby. And her fucking piece of shit mother didn't take her to fucking get a goddamn abortion like a responsible person would. And fucking let this 15 year old who's being

rape since she's 12 have a rape baby with a 30 year old. Fucking disgusting. And yeah, and you can extrapolate how the rest of of the story goes just based on this. This is not a good origin story. This is the, yeah, this is a Florida of like a comic book villain from Florida's origin story here.

This is horrifying. So they get married and then Tommy, Dwight goes by Tommy, this is whatever. He's born two years later when his mother's 17. So now she's 17 years old and has two kids with some dude who's twice her age. Okay, this poor, poor fucking girl. Anita and Kenneth separated when Tommy's still an infant. She's getting a little long in the tooth for him. You know what I mean?

A little old, I think. She's pushing 18. She's pushing legal almost. He's never had legal sex with her. Well, I guess they were married. That's somehow legal. Yeah. Okay.

A 31-year-old goes to marry a 15-year-old. You go, yeah, that's great. As soon as they go up to the thing, you handcuff him and take him away. That's it. They're not allowed to get married. I don't care what her parents say. I don't care what I. No, 3015.

We're not making it legal for you two to fuck. Ever. Fuck off. That's unbelievable. God damn it, that's disgusting. Fucking disgusting. So, poor fucking girl. So they separate.

And Kenneth takes the two boys. He's going to be a great influence. Sure. That's the guy you want. Raising two boys. especially. Well, at least he'll less chance he'll rape them, I suppose. But, you know, maybe.

Maybe. I mean, if he's more likely to rape a young woman, I'm not sure. So they separate. He Kenneth takes the boys and places them in the care of a guy named Alex Carlisle and his wife who the kids never met before.

Hey, kids, I'm going to take you from your mother and I'm going to dump you off with people you've never met before. Enjoy. Right. Bye. Okay. So this, again, not good.

So far, no good decisions. Just a family friend of some sort, but they've never met him. Some guy he knew, apparently. Yeah, they never met these kids before. I don't know why they decided to take these kids in. That's suspicious right there. Yeah, that's fucked up. So the children remained with these Carlisles for six months before their father came back and got them.

Okay. Scooped him back up again and moved them to Kentucky as well. Well, now at the time of the move, Tommy's still in diapers, still, you know, bottle and all that kind of thing. Still a pre-toddler, basically, or, you know, a young toddler, you'd say. In Kentucky, Kenneth left Tommy in the care of his brother while he went to work. Not Tommy's brother, the care, I'm saying not Kenneth's brother, Tommy's brother, who was under five years old. He's in charge. Perfect.

Kenneth would go to work and leave a five-year-old in charge of a two-year-old. I mean, that's like that John Mullaney joke of, we got a dog to watch the fucking horse. Like, it's ridiculous. None of this is working, you know what I mean? Wow. That's crazy. They were, and this isn't like, they don't have, like, furniture, things like that. They just have mattresses on the floor.

like they're not living well at all. Donald, who was five, was responsible for changing diapers and feeding the two of them. So you'd have to make a two-year-old. A two-year-old. So this five-year-old would be in charge of changing diapers and making food and feeding a two-year-old. Five-year-olds have no decision-making, first of all. That's a bit early to have that kind of responsibility. A little bit, right?

Like, I'm sorry I didn't change his diapers. I got distracted because Elmo was on, basically. Like, I'm five. I get distracted real easily. Yeah. Holy. Yo Gava Gava had that beatbox guy again. Yeah.

It was crazy. I was just mesmerized by it. I don't know where the kid crawled off to. He made all the music with his mouth, Ma. Wow. So they move out of this house. Yeah. And the children both, I don't know if Tommy will remember this because he's like three years old.

But the other brother remembers it. But they watched their father burn the house down for insurance. Come on, kids. Got to set the fire now. Burn the house down for insurance. I got to show you one of that life's valuable life lessons. Yeah, houses are, see, what you do is you insure them, and they're worth a lot of money. When you can't afford it anymore, and I assure you, you won't at some point.

You light a match. That's how it goes. You ever seen Goodfellas? Come on, kids. Let's watch Goodfellas. Sit down. It's about time you've seen Goodfellas, I believe. Dip the tampons in the kerosene.

Yeah, and hang them nice from the ceiling. Look, you look like you decorate in a fucking Christmas tree. Let's go. Hurry up. So Kenneth then leaves the boys with an old couple, old people who they don't know at all. So they don't know these old people. We're left with random old people. The children lived with this couple while their father attended college.

You don't know. Oh, you went to college. You're in your mid-30s. You have two kids that you got from a fucking product of raping a fucking teenager. You don't get to go to college. Sorry. Take care of these goddamn kids that you made. Wow.

Eventually, Kenneth moves the children into his dorm room. His dorm room. Can you do that? I don't think so. I think that, but it is in Kentucky. So in Kentucky, maybe. You know, in Kentucky, you probably can have the limit of three kids per dorm room. and five jugs of moonshine, I believe, is what you're limited to.

Dorms are shared living space. Yes. You've got like a roommate from Kansas. Imagine you're a drunk college kid at two in the morning, and you're going to throw up what you've been drinking out of whatever keg, and there's a five-year-old in there, so you can't use the bathroom. What the fuck? Why is there a child here?

Take them pacifiers. Take the bath with his ducies. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what the fuck is happening here? This is at Pikeville College and Pikeville, Kentucky. Yeah, that sounds like rural Kentucky. I would assume they're going to, you're going to have to let a kid in once in a while when you're dealing with rural Kentucky, probably.

So Tommy was about, you know, he's in his two, three at this time. He's in that toddler age still. He would leave, this is in a dorm room he would do, he would leave the kids alone in the dorm room while he attended classes during the day. Wow. They just have free run of the dorm and the five-year-old, of course. Stay here, girls. Daddy, be at home. In charge of the two-year-old, clearly.

They were also left in the family car During his eight-hour work shifts during the evening He'd just leave him in the car I just have nobody to watch these kids I just leave him in the car They have nowhere to go No you ever been left in a car for hours at a time When you were a kid

Yeah It sucks doesn't it? I mean not hours up but certainly minutes Dozens of them It's horrible Yeah I remember my mother had some appointment she had to go to and she was like fighting with my grandmother. I don't know.

She probably could have found someone to watch me, but instead, irresponsibly just decided to take me with her and to the city of Poughkeepsie where I like huddled behind the fucking seat because it's dangerous. So I huddled behind a seat when I'm six while she had some appointment for like two hours.

I remember doing that and it sucked. I was like, this sucks. I can't imagine every day just eight hour shift in the car. That would blow. Yeah. During the evening too. During this time,

also, He brings a girlfriend in to live in the dorm room as well with them because there's plenty of room to be banging a college chick while you're hanging out with these deals with these kids. So during the time that this happened, these kids witnessed their father, beat the shit out of his girlfriend at one point. Well, at multiple times, but this particular time beat the shit out of his girlfriend, strip her naked, rip her clothes off and throw her out into the dorm room hallway, into the dorms hallway from the room, kicked her out. So he graduated from Pikeville College. I don't understand. It's wild that this guy goes to college, has a job. If he did certain things different, you'd go, wow, he's being like a responsible single parent at this point.

But he has nobody watching them or any of that shit. Like, this is crazy. And no matter what he does with the kids, they're still, he got them by rape. This is crazy. At least one of them. It's crazy that he's in control of their lives. lives. Yeah. Wow. So he graduates, moved the children back to Indiana to live with their elderly grandparents. This is Kenneth Sr. and Wyoming Eaglin. So this is, he's now living

with his elderly grandparents, as Kenneth's parents. So Tommy's about in the threes at this time, almost, you know, four, and Donald is five pushing six. They're left in the care of their elderly grandmother who was suffering from skin cancer, bowel disease, and weak bones. Let's give her a couple of... Weak bones, she's got weak bones. Got weak trees. So that's what you... Someone when you get all that diagnosis, you go, do you have a couple of toddlers you

could care for? I feel like that would really help you a lot in terms of medical care. I got kids you need to watch. Whoa. She was also not good at keeping track of her medications and would sometimes... take twice the dosage because she thought she took it and she didn't know if she took it or not so she took it again to make sure

it ended up being twice the dosage which would leave her as quote just a vegetable according to the family oh I'm sure you'd she'd sit there drooling well kids run around like crazy the grandfather basically had limited involvement with the kids he didn't give a shit about this

at all and want to know part of it he's like I'm old and I'm not watching these fucking kids yeah so apparently he the grandfather was the family breadwinner and worked 12-hour shifts an elderly grandfather 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. at International Harvester five days a week and then spent the weekends maintaining the farm they lived on. So he didn't really have any time for these kids, essentially. This man's out here selling combines and tractors and shit and then comes home to work with combines and tractors and shit.

shit 12-hour shifts all around so Donald Tommy's older brother described his grandmother as verbally demanding because she was frail and physically limited so she had to yell at you to get her point across also said she was hurting all the time

and that the grandma and grandpa would verbally fight in the presence of the boys a lot that happened a lot the family moved around all over here time with the grandparents there in Kentucky

they're in Indiana, they're in Illinois. A grandpa eventually was abusing grandma, was smacking her around. Bad bowels and weak bones and all, he's beating her up and the kids saw that. It's not good. Also, Kenneth during this time, he's always hitting the kids, too. These boys are always getting smacked around. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he doesn't, he's not treating them with compassion.

A concern between. Yeah, he smacks them around. on Tommy's third birthday. This is a sweet, just a lovely story. We've had a lot of bad childhoods on this show. Like it's kind of one of the standards of our show. It's almost a staple. This is a top 2% bad childhood here.

This makes like Toe Nash look like he had a good childhood. Remember the Toe Nash childhood? This makes him sound like he's doing fine. Like, it's bad. On Tommy's third birthday, his father was holding him upside down by his feet and punching him. Like he made his own toddler punching bag, holding him by his feet and punching him in the face. Okay. Why?

He was mad at him. While he did this, because of the force of what he was doing, he snapped Tommy's femur. you know how hard it is to snap a three-year-old's femur? Three-year-olds are made a rubber. Well, probably three-year-olds is a little more, a little easier. No, it's harder. They're made of rubber. Their bones aren't even solid yet.

They're made of fucking rubber. That's why you don't see a lot of three-year-olds with cast son. They're walking around, falling. All they do is fall. Yeah, right. But their bones are made to not break when they're that age because all they do is fall. Otherwise, the kids have constant broken bones. They'd be in a body cast by the time they were five.

So to break a, and the femur is your strongest bone. So to, yeah, that's the strongest one. To break a three-year-old's femur must be insanely hard to do, I would think. It's not even that long to snap. They're tiny. Right, little little legs. Yeah. That's it.

Yeah. Donald said it was common for his father to hold the children this way while he beat them. He found a convenient to hold them upside down by the feet and beat them. That was his move, apparently. That's the easy way. It's creative. I'll give them that. I've never heard of anyone beating their children like that.

Have you? Never. Dangling a child's speedbagging him now. No. You'd think he would find a place to like hang them to do that, you know what I mean? Like a speedbag rack rather than having to hold them up by the feet. After a while, that would be tiring. The children were hit.

Not only were they punched, they were beat with belts, switches, yard sticks. Donald later said, quote, whatever was close by. Yeah, I mean. Just, you know, grabbing distance. This gavel. pow, just whack your kid with it. That's nice. Kenneth would hit the boys on their legs, backs, heads, faces, causing them to bruise and bleed. He just beat them like they were adults, basically.

Like he was mad at them and they were adults. So he would beat them also, not only with his fists and with objects, he would also use them and propel them into objects, run them into things. Hit a kid with an object or hit an object with a kid. That way he could basically beat them with the house. at that point if he ran them into the walls, floors, and furniture. And that's what he did. And he would tell them repeatedly

that they were worthless just like their mother. Very nice. Nice, classy. Nah, that's class right there. This guy is all class, isn't he? Kenneth eventually moved to Alaska and left the children

in Washington with his parents. Move to where? Alaska. where scumbags who have horrible pests moved to get away from them. To hide in plain sight. This is who moves to Alaska. A guy who is leaving behind a trail of broken children. That's who goes to Alaska, generally.

Wow. However, during his visits home, he continued to continue to verbally and physically abuse the children once or twice a day, Donald said. So that's nice. When dad comes in to visit, you still know he loves you because he beats this shit out of it on a daily basis. That's nice. Wow. According to Donald, quote, the violence progressed over time. The older we got, the harder we got hit.

And the children never had any contact with their mother, by the way. I'm sure. Up at this point. They were left to understand from what their father told them that their mother was, quote, well, number one, worthless, obviously, from we said before. Worthless, yeah. But also, quote, a whore and a dope addict as well. Oh. A worthless dope addict whore, I believe, is how he's going to phrase that.

Wow. And when she was upset with the boys, Wyoming, grandma, would tell them they were just like their mother as well. That was a common thing they heard. You're useless dope addict whore. Yeah, a worthless dope addict whore just like your mother. Yeah, your little whores as well. at one point Donald sought out his mother

took Tommy over to their maternal grandmother's house to see her upon their arrival their mother sent them home afraid they'd be punished and the children were beaten when they were home

she said you're going to get in trouble get out of here your father's going to be so mad and when the father found out where they were he'd beat the living shit out of them sure because it's totally abnormal for a six-year-old to want to see their mother. That's super weird.

They didn't remember their mother. You know what I mean? They wanted to go see mom. That's wild. When Donald was in the first grade, we're still only until Donald in the first grade. This is how horrific this is, okay? My word.

His father returned and took the boys, both of them, to live with him in Illinois, with his third wife, Gloria. Yeah. No, no, no, we don't know how old she is, but she has three children already. So we're going to make a Brady Bunch. Almost. The five kid, violent, abusive Brady Bunch here.

Imagine if Mike came home from the architect office, like, threw his blueprints down and just punch Jan right in the fucking mouth. And called, started into fucking kicking Bobby and grabbing him by the feet and beating him. How crazy would that have been? Seems like he needed it, though, right? Possibly. Yeah. Seems like he had a lot of rage simmering in there. Old Mike Brady.

So he's in the... He just wants to come out, James. That's all it is. Yeah. They won't let me. They won't let me just be who I want to be. Damn it. Kenneth continued to abuse his children, but now, lucky for him, he's got three more kids to abuse.

And he abuses the shit out of them as well. They're not even his kids. No one. He's abusing people who didn't even come from. is ball sack. That's insane. Nothing to do with him. Imagine the fucking nerve on somebody to beat someone who isn't even

theirs. Somebody else's kids. You know, it's bad enough to beat your own kid. You shouldn't beat your own kid, obviously. But at least it came from your balls and you have some weird mental thing in there saying... At least you've got yeah. I put you in this world. I'll take you out. That bullshit. There's something inside you that's telling you

to, I mean, do harm to do good? I don't know what that is. Yeah. At least to like you have a, your object is to raise a better child than what you deem this child as being, right?

Usually in the beatings? Is that what people are going for? I assume? It's not what you get out of it. So that's really weird. That's like saying, my kid's 18 and he talks back like crazy. I still haven't punched him yet.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Let's like putting juice and popsicle sticks. in a popsicle thing in an ice cube tray and then setting it out on the porch in the summer and saying, I want icicles, you know what I mean? Or I want ice pops. I'm going to get a popsicle today. It's like, you're not.

You're going to get nothing because that's not how you do that. There's a freezer that goes in and nurturing kids is a better way to get them to be good people. It's very interesting, but I'm sure there's some sort of psychological thing there that they think they're doing good.

No, shit, it has to be. There's a thing in the paper about It pops owing all sorts of money here. You have to file your answer, otherwise appear in this case at the clerk of the court, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It looks like he owes like $8,000 plus court costs and attorney fees and all sorts of other shit. I think this is for like a, you're going to lose your house, basically, which is interesting here. But under that is something even more interesting. Oh, yeah.

It says, read this in the newspaper. Well, I got to read it. James, then. Some awesome facts about America brought to you by Diet Center. Okay, some diet, whatever, weight loss center. Some awesome facts about America. This is what they put under that. Awesome.

$59,400 deaths from colon cancer in 1984. 37,000, 300 deaths from breast cancer in 84. Isn't this awesome? They're doing great. They go down. Americans spend $400 million. each year for laxatives because they have two little fiber, all this shit. Wow, this is insane.

We were in much better shape back then, apparently. Approximately 14% of adult men and 24% of adult women are at least 20% over ideal weight. That would be a dream nowadays. Are you kidding me? Yeah. In like Mississippi, it's like 54% obesity rate. It's fucking insane. Obesity.

Over ideal. This is over ideal. Obesies is more than that. Yeah. They're way fatter than this even. Now, wow, that's incredible. So it says, don't be an awesome fact. Find out how we can help.

Call today. So there you go, everybody. So Donald said he stayed with his father for, quote, half of a school year before returning to live with his grandparents. Tommy wasn't in school yet and remained in his father's care for about eight months until after Kenneth left this woman he was with. He got tired of beating her kids up and he left. That's nice. So Tommy returned to his grandparents' home.

It was returned, I guess, to his grandparents' home. And by then, grandma's health is even worse. She has all these things, Anne has a broken hip now. And that's not good. And her bowel disease is much worse. And she's developed dementia. So a dementia riddled, bowel diseased, broken, hip, weak-boned. By this time, too, they say.

said heavily medicated woman is going to watch a fucking four-year-old and a six-year-old. And it's getting worse. And go every day. Dementia doesn't generally get better. Usually it's bad. It's going to get worse. You can't heal that. Yeah.

And Tommy's grandfather continued to work full-time. And so the children, poor Donald, in addition to having to take care of the toddler brother, he also has to take care of his sick grandma now. So they're watching her. She's not even watching them. This poor Donald, man, he is too much responsibility. The brothers were responsible for feeding her, like clipping her nails, grooming her, taking her to the restroom, cooking her meals, as well as administering her medication. Doing everything and doctoring her.

You're going to trust a six-year-old to dull out medication. Oh, boy. She continued to punish the children by hitting them with switches. when they got close, I suppose, throwing household objects out them, and this is a great, sweet move from grandma here, locking them out of the house at night. So they would have to sleep outside.

Could you, dude, come on, man. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is, this is, you couldn't make this up. No. If you made this up, you'd be like, too much. Pull it back some. Like, if you were,

and the old lady. locks them out too. Yeah. Like if you were making like a movie about a pair of serial killer brothers. Yeah. And you were making their origin story. They'd be like, okay, now people are going to start to feel bad for them. It's too far.

You know what I mean? This is like it's going to be, you're going to be our protagonists here in a minute for Christ's sake. This is horrible. So Kenneth continued to visit his children. And during these visits, he would, you know, put violence upon them as one does. Yeah. Donald recalled one incident where his father, quote, wow. My father, quote, punch me in the stomach so hard I urinated myself.

Oh, boy. Fucking. Flip the bladder switch. Yeah, too much. Wow. Not enough room for the pee in there. Had to come out. During the beatings, Kenneth hit his children with closed fists, sticks, belts, quote, whatever he could get his hands on.

and grabbed his children by their necks and stomachs while he beat them as well. So that's nice. When Tommy was nine, Kenneth moved the boys to Canton, Illinois, to live with his fourth wife, Raylene, and her one, two, three, four, five children. More kids.

Five. Now, if any of them are girls, he's going to rape them, number one, because he's fucking raped a 12-year-old. And if any of them are boys, he's going to beat the living shit out of them with whatever's handy. So,

as he dangles them. Wow. Now, the youngest of Raylene's children, the two youngest, Lawrence and Jonathan, were actually Kenneth's biological children. Wow.

He had planted those seeds sometime before they got married. Wow. So the children lived with Raylene and her family for about two years. During this time period, Donald and Tommy

were left to care for the five younger children for extended periods of time. He's really building a resume. Yeah. I mean, well, shit, they're like 11 and 9 now. They're practically should you open a daycare center. They could probably be licensed at this point. Wow. They would bathe the baby, cook for and feed the children and clean the house. This is amazing. If the house was not clean upon the father's return, we're talking seven kids with the oldest being 11. If you leave seven kids, the oldest being 11 in a house for 15 minutes, and it's seven kids. still standing when you come home? Victory. I got a feeling it's not going to be well cared for.

Well, if it wasn't cleaned to Kenneth's specifications, he would beat all the children when he got home. Everybody's getting... All of them. All seven would get an ass weapon because the house wasn't perfect. I think you're kind of setting them up for failure there.

Kenneth continued to abuse these kids. He would also line up all the kids. This is fun. This is a really... This is some dad stuff here. everyone's dad has done this, right? He'd line up all the kids in order of age, you know, like the Von Trapps, basically.

You know, it's the same thing. But rather than have them sing a song for their guests, he would line them up and hit them with his belt on their back's legs and, quote, wherever the belt hit you. He'd say line up for ass weapons. Yeah. And he'd beat them all while they stood in a line

in order of age. My God. That is incredible. During one incident, he punched Tommy in the back of the head with his closed fist, then picked Tommy up and, quote, through him. Through him. Through a child, a nine-year-old, just tossed him somewhere after hitting him in the back with a closed fist. This is like the Iceman had this childhood.

This is, he's worse than the Iceman's father. He literally is, I think. He's worse, because at least the Iceman's father didn't rape his mother when she was 12. him. I don't think he did. No. I think she still cared for him at the end there too.

I think so. Yeah. The mother, yeah, because she was, imagine where she came from, what horrible abuse, Iceman's mother came from to be like,

this is fine. You can beat me in the kids. It's fine. Donald said he could name a hundred of these types of incidents, at least, like top of his head, just as much as you have time for.

Then he also used to do this. This is, this is, I've never heard of this. before. Kenneth would set up baby fight club where he would

have the children fight each other. Now this, I got to, I have Italian uncles who used to be like, hey, why don't you,

come on, get in there, kick each other. They would try to needle us to do that too. Probably sick fucks also,

but they didn't, he's like a, they didn't, he didn't, he didn't, Sultan, I'm bored. Yeah.

He would then punish the loser of the fight. Yeah. What the fuck is going on. Oh my God. He would use wrestling moves on the children, like fucking

WWE moves on the children as discipline. Like, I'm going to put you in a figure four because the house isn't clean. Stone called Stunner because I'm bored. Yeah. He taught, he had a great pile driver. It was like Paul Orndorff.

He'd really get off the ground and he's known for it. He taught the children hand to hand. combat and would choke the children out, fully unconscious, would choke them into unconsciousness to show them how to do it. Oh, my. I mean, are they training to, like, be, like, people who, like, live in the, in the, in the, fucking, in the, in the, in the, in the, fucking, in the, in the, fucking, willem de foe in a, platoon?

Is that what we're talking about? That's what it sounds like. This bores me. This baws me. Fight the children. This baws me. Bring me two children. to compete in combat.

So he would throw them against furniture, walls and floors. Donald and Tommy were beaten daily if their rooms weren't up to snuff. He would come home late when the boys were sleeping, pull them out of bed and beat them. They're sleeping. Wake up. What's going on?

Pow! Just start popping the kid in the face. That's insane. The beating... They said the beatings would last a long time. He'd wake them up, beat them for 20 minutes, and then put them back to bed. According to Donald, Tommy was the most beaten child because Tommy would take responsibility for what the other kids did in the house. So if someone did something and they'd say, who did this?

He'd say, me. I did it. Which is what you do if you've been abused your entire fucking life. At some point, you go, I'm not a for me. That's who did it. Go ahead and hit me. What are you going to do? What are you going to do?

Hit me worse than he did yesterday? Like that's... I don't know. This guy might. I know. That's how abused... There's different ways abused kids go, and some of them will be meek and some of them will be... I did it.

Fucking go ahead and hit me then. Get it over with. What are we doing here? Yeah. So, uh, is Tommy... Donald said, even though Tommy was much younger than me, he, quote, thought he could take it better than me. Like, he's realized he takes a good ass whooping. Yeah.

Which is how... I can take it, though. Which is, I guess how... are made. I said one way to do it. November 3rd, 1986. Jesus Christ. Canton firefighters were called to the Kenneth Eaglin residence at 1238 East Chestnut Street at 547 a.m. when a furnace blower motor caught fire. Officials say the motor had fire damage and the home had smoke damage. No one was injured in the incident. So their house caught on fire that night. Lovely. On several occasions, Kenneth would take the kids out of school and force them to work with him at different

work sites. Oh, nice. Like, listen, if your mother can get pregnant at 12, you can work at 12, certainly, right? Clock in. Clock in. The work included manual labor, lifting, and hauling, and the boys would assist their father hauling and loading hunks of scrap metal onto trailers. Oh, they're scrapping? Jesus Christ. This is a college graduate, I thought. What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, why has he got this job? Childhood records document periods of, this is for Tommy, depression, crying, irritability, head banging, impulsivity, starting at age 10. Jesus. Starts having symptoms of mental illness now, which is not surprising at all, obviously.

No. He received treatment for depression, anger, and impulsivity at the insistence of schools, and this included getting some medication. Now, this is what's known as the last beating here. Okay. The last time Kenneth beat Donald, he wrapped his belt buckle around his fist and punched Donald repeatedly in the head. This is sick. Okay. Yeah.

Like, you wouldn't, who would you do that to? Like, if, you know, somebody like tried to rape your wife in the bathroom or something of a bar, you take your... and go clock the guy like, what else, what other, this is crazy, you know, so. Yeah, it's a, to doctor your fist to fight a child is pretty. It's intense. Pretty chicken shit stuff, right? It's a bit much, I would say, yeah, it's an overkill. Now, during this incident, according to Donald, quote, Tommy went upstairs to shoot my father.

Oh. He just said, mama go shoot him. Fuck this. I can kill this guy, get it over with. He couldn't do it because my little. brother Lawrence walked in front of him. Tried to protect the father. Don't shoot him. Please. Don't shoot him because he's

too young to realize this is the best thing for everybody. If I shoot this man, it's best for all of us, really. Especially if you're 12 and you're getting beaten constantly, they're not going to put you in some sort of mental facility for six months and you're going to be fine after that. Maybe you'll get some foster

parents. Wherever they close, it's going to be better than this. Got to be. The children were removed from the home the following day by the Illinois Department of Children and Families after Donald reported his father to school officials. They kept this quiet up until this point.

And then finally him and Tommy said, we're not taking it anymore. If I can't kill him, I'm reporting them. Fuck these people. Tommy was 11 years old when he was removed from his father's care and placed in the custody of the state of Illinois.

Have we had many worse childhoods than this? I can't. The violence is, there's certainly been some that rival it, based on poverty levels. Poverty. But the violence is just outrageous.

I don't know if we've had anyone this, had this kind of violent upbringing before. Yeah. The violence is just too much. Yeah. That creates a really tough child. Yeah. Wow.

Incredibly sad. Yeah. If you remember someone with a worst childhood, at crime and sport, set us up and tell us because I can't remember anybody. Like I said, a couple people, just the poverty of having a dirt floor

and no bathrooms and shit like that. But it wasn't that. plus getting the shit being out of you, like seems to be happening here. So, Kenneth, by the way, the,

later on, he will be, this is fucking crazy. Okay. He will be, get a 22-year sentence, Kenneth Will, dad,

from the state of Illinois, for this is a great, great fucking thing here. For two counts of cruelty to his children, Tommy and Donald, and solicitation of murder against the state's attorney. He tried to have... He tried to have the DA murdered

for noticing that he beat his children nearly to death on a daily basis. Wow. This is a bad guy. Yeah. Can we... This is the worst guy, right? Like, I'd rather hang out with Ted Bundy than this guy, wouldn't you?

Pretty bad guy. I can't think of a... Like, honestly, was John Wayne Gasey this bad of a... guy? Like, this is crazy. I don't even know. Who's worse to children? Yeah, yeah. It's a fucking toss-up between this guy and Diane Downs for Christ's

sake. She drowned her kids or whatever. Shot them all. Yeah. This is crazy. Holy shit. So Kenneth was married. This is crazy. So Kenneth admitted that he broke Tommy's leg when he was a young child when he was the way he put it,

correcting him. I was correcting him. Okay. That'll do it. It was wrong. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Kenneth, at this point, by the way, has been married four times and has 10 biological children at the time of this hearing.

Because this is the, you know, he goes to the school, the state goes after Kenneth and files charges, and then he tries to have the DA killed, and then they add an extra charge that gets you way more time. So that was dumb. Ten. He's got 10. Um, shit. Wow. So that's, Kenneth is now going to be in jail. Now we enter the foster care institutions and mental health facilities of our country.

Yeah. Okay. Richard Winkler, Dick Winkler, he's got Dick and Wink in his name at the same time. Yeah. All Winky here. Dick Winkler. Jesus. Henry's dad.

Uh, a licensed clinical professional counselor and school psychologist here worked. worked with the Department of Children and Families in Illinois for 27 years. He was Tommy's DCF case manager upon his placement in a residential treatment at the Natchezza Lutheran home. Sure. Tommy went through five foster care placements consisting of traditional and specialized foster care prior to entering residential care. So they tried to put him in foster care. He lived with five goddamn families and apparently wasn't working. Wow.

According to Winkler, Tommy was placed in residential treatment, quote, due to the multitude of foster care placements, all of which were fairly short-lived. I think his longest placement was 10 months. I believe he was. His first home was about a six-month duration placement. Then maybe a four-month, a three-month, a 10-month, a three-month. Just months and then in moving into, it's always temporary. It's always his whole life is temporary, which for him. is what he's used to.

Yeah. Like I've talked about this before. I moved a million times when I was a kid. I have to stop myself from fucking moving all the time. I have to have Sarah there going, we're not moving. And I go, okay, okay, okay. I get the itch to move all the day. Let's move.

Let's sell our house and move. It's like, no, we're not doing that because my brain wants to just keep going. We have to keep going. We have to get out of here. Fuck out of here. Can't be comfortable. It's too comfortable. Let's go.

Pack our shit up. That's comfortable. Yeah. Life's too predictable now. That's too weird. Too weird. I've gotten over that a little bit now. I'm starting to just from Sarah going, no, stop it.

And I go, okay, yeah, you're right. And then I stop. So around 13, he's placed into the residential treatment at the Natchezza Lutheran home, which is a facility for juveniles removed from families or in trouble. During the diagnostic evaluation, the psychologist diagnosed him with, whoa, cyclozymic disorder. What is that? A childhood mood disorder involving rapid cycling between near manic and depressive states.

So kitty bipolar is essentially what it is. Bipolar for teens. Hey, there you go. Teens can have it too. This was viewed by experts as consistent with and a pre-cursor to his adult bipolar diagnosis. So that's what it is. Kitty bipolar. He was also noted to have emotional problems.

problems, adjustment disorder, and some indications of antisocial, asocial tendencies. How would he not have those things? Right. How would you not either want to back away or hate everybody, not trust them too? Though later experts distinguished impulsivity tied to mood disorder and trauma from full antisocial personality disorder in childhood. So they kind of separated it out later. Now, November 1989, Tommy is admitted into the residential program. at Natchezza a month after his initial assessment.

At the time, he's identified by DCF as having emotional problems, specifically adjustment disorder. Oh, that's not. Okay, I thought that was attachment. It's adjustment disorder. And a disturbance of conduct and emotion. He probably has attachment disorder, too, I would imagine, just based on the fact that he was ripped away from his mother immediately and then never was cuddled or loved or he had

a fucking four-year-old caring for him. There's no way that he can. Right. So that's not good for kids. In January 91, he successfully completed the NCHUSA program and was placed in traditional foster care with the Winge family, W-I-N-G-E, or wing, either one. Now, Dick Winkler explained that it was significant that Tommy graduated into traditional care from the N-Chusa residential center there. That's how this goes. You start here, we get you ready for this, you move to that, and then hopefully you graduate

and you are 18 and not the state's problem anymore until you kill somebody and then we'll get you back again. And then we'll deal with this again later. Rinse and repeat for tons of unwanted fucking children here. So Tommy had to achieve various goals involving social interaction, behavior, school achievement, and anger management before he would be allowed to leave Natchezza. and he successfully completed all the requirements. He was apparently highly motivated to live with this family

and was very close to Lori Wing or Winge, the mother. It was very close to her. He liked this. Dying for a mother. I mean, good Lord. Dick Winkler observed that Mrs. Winge was probably the mother that Tom never had. So that's what he needed.

However, Tommy, what they called, relapsed while he was with the Winge family and was sent to the Dixon group home. So he had an upticking of his problems. He still has mental problems, emotional problems. And he's not fixed. He's been being bashed in the head constantly since he was a toddler also. There's probably some brain damage based on history.

God damn. But also, I mean, his, his, everything of his maturity level is going to be taken backward as, you know, the word. But he's, there's a problem. It's always going to be some sort of remission for him, too, where he's going to go back and know what he was doing. It's going to happen here. So, yeah, it just never stopped here. He eventually returned to the Winge home prior to his discharge from the group home.

Even after that, though, his behavioral problems never really stopped. His counselor said he has a history of sabotaging a good thing, which I totally understand. That I get. That I understand. And for him, it's that this, these are unfamiliar feelings to feel good and to feel secure. So you've got to fuck that up because it's not normal to you. Well, a lot of, a lot of times you self-sabotage because you, A, don't think you deserve it. And B, you know this is going to go away soon and you may as well be the driving force in it rather than being hurt by somebody else.

People are, they like what they're used to, even when it's terrible. Yeah. You know what I mean? You get a woman who's had a chaotic past who likes guys who like beat her and cheat on her all this. And then she goes out with a nice guy. She's going to eat that guy up and spit him out in three months because that's not what she needs inside unless she gets a shitload of therapy. You know what I mean? She's going to be like, well, I know this is better for me, but he hasn't hit me at all.

And I'm used to that. So that's, you know, that's not good. It's the same type of thing. They said that he had a history of sabotaging a good thing and, quote, pushes people away because he figures they're going to leave him anyhow. So why get real attached? That's all he's ever had. And I'd rather be the cause of it than allow them to get the satisfaction. At least then you have some control over things.

Yeah. You know, that's the thing. I think that's why I want to move because now I can move and I'll choose where to move rather than just being moved in the middle of the night. Yeah. So Dick Winkler testified that at Natchezza, Tommy, quote, tended to cycle in and out of depressive moods quite often. And it was a very rapid kind of cycling.

An insignificant event could happen. He might get disciplined for not doing a chore, for doing a chore improperly, and he would immediately go into like a depressed mood. They said in his 25 years of working with children in DCF care, Tommy's case was exceptional given that it was one of the more severe cases of physical abuse and looking back on it, emotional abuse, given the physical abuse, given how much he was essentially terrorized, by his biological father.

So this is 25 years working with the most fucked up kids in the state of Illinois, and he's at the top of the list of people who've had it the worst. Right. This is not good. So a guy named Tom Schwamberger worked with Tommy at Natchezza, and it contained, Nchusa contained a campus, a school in the thing here, facility, which was referred to as the Natchezza. a diagnostic center.

According to this Schwamberger guy, most of the children at Natchezza had emotional problems, but Tommy's emotional problems were, quote, different from a lot of the kids. His emotional outbursts, the way he would do them, would be full fucking meltdowns.

He said it reminded him, Schwamburger said it reminded him of the meltdowns he witnessed in his autistic son. He has an autistic son that has meltdowns, and that's, Tommy's are the same thing, he said. He has the same kind of meltdowns

where it's just all out, outside world doesn't exist anymore, meltdown. Tommy might have some undiagnosed issues? No, he's just saying that that's the only time he's seen as something so severe is from an autistic child, so that's how severe this is of a meltdown. That's a lot.

They said he was inconsolable when this would happen. You just have to let him cry it out or wear it out. He also suffered from depression and while he was in the facility here, that depression manifested in anger and rage. During the time at Natchezza, this guy says Tommy's emotional needs

were never truly addressed. They said that the staff just put out fires with him but weren't equipped to deal with the real underlying problems. They were just trying to keep him from ending up in prison, basically. Just kind of whatever, keep them penned in. The social workers that were available, were primarily responsible for completing paperwork

and they don't provide therapy. They just watch them. Children were placed in this facility either because they were taken away from their families or were just in trouble with the law. So this is like juvie, basically, type of thing.

They also said Tommy was a likable kid who got along well with other staff members as well as the children. He was fine. He's a likable enough guy, but he had these outbursts and these problems. They said he'd, was not one to basically stand for bullying in any level.

Okay. Against him or anybody else. He's not having that shit. They said he stood up for the children who were bullied a lot. If anybody was getting bullied, he'd jump right in there and go, bully me, motherfucker. Let's go. He's also very hyper and always making people laugh, they said.

He's a very funny kid. He has a lot of energy. They said that he was terrified of his father, and it was only at this institution that he learned that his father was in prison. He didn't even know his father was in prison. Had no idea? No, they just put him in there.

They didn't tell him what happened to his father. So they finally, he said, where's my dad? And they said, he's in prison for doing this and also threatening to kill the state's attorney, which you can't do. There's a lot of reasons, but yeah. Tried to hire a guy to kill the guy.

So for the first time, he was provided with his mother's address. He's never had it? Never had it. He didn't know what it was. and he asked one of the social workers to help him mail a letter to her. Help me write. Help me compose and mail a letter to my mom, basically.

Take it easy. She's useless. Don't forget a whore also. Quite the whore. You missed that one. So there was an initial assessment to determine if a child should be placed at Natchuzza. The children were not provided any type of therapy for emotional problems while here. The only programs available to the children was an alcohol.

Alcoholics Anonymous program, which, you know, I got to get them in a religion early, I guess. That's what that's fucking for. And that the children were taken to, which also was attended by other adult community members. So they would, it wasn't an in-house one. They would take the kids with a problem and take them to a regular AA meeting with a bunch of drunken adults. Fuck. Which that's not what they need. No.

Neuropsychological testing in childhood showed a high IQ for Tommy He had a score of 126 at one point here Is that right? Just goddamn smart, real fucking smart Imagine if you'd have nurtured it Rather than punched it I mean he probably had a 150

till you punched 25 points out of his fucking Every punch it was like Mario Hit in the coin box To Ching, to Ching to Ching to change Imagine His fucking two points, two points, two points every time Poor kid could have been somebody.

This is interesting. Later, experts later link the extensive early trauma and abandonment to post-traumatic stress disorder features and the development slash exacerbation of bipolar disorder to try to explain

what the fuck's going on with him. But intelligence isn't the problem here at all. That ain't is, right? His foster father described him as remaining relatively good nature despite the abuse until high school when he fell in

with the wrong crowd. Now you've got to deal with the regular teenager shit. Right. So even if you have a kid that you've raised fine, haven't beaten hit as mom's not a useless,

worthless whore, you haven't fucking, you know, abused him constantly, hasn't been passed around everywhere. Your kid can still be a pain in the ass just because he's in high school. You know,

and they start cutting up. But, you know, this background, he is primed to fall in at the wrong crowd and be the craziest motherfucker around, you know what I mean? Fuck, yes. So, Tommy said he was arrested

several times as a teenager for fighting, which seems on character, or in character. He was angry. You know, he was, he's a three-sport athlete, by the way. He's also, I guess he was class president at Rock Falls High for a year.

Is that right? So, I mean, he's got charisma, obviously. he's got something three sport athlete you know it makes sense so by the way there's an article

in the newspaper about him that says his relationship with his father was considered rocky at best Rocky Rocky could be the

understatement of the fucking year so he plays high school football sustaining more head trauma by the way like noted concussions and shit

like it's not enough that it was already had he also begin seriously boxing because he hasn't had enough head drama. Sure. He is going to be, this is a brain damage sport special here. Certainly.

He is going putting brain quick. Including gold gloves level competition, which again repeated head injuries and concussions here, which was later cited by neurologists and psychiatrists as contributing to his impulsivity,

chronic traumatic that CTE risk and interaction with his bipolar disorder as well. You don't want to have more brain damage adding that to mental illness. That doesn't help any. He also began using substances at this point because why not? You're going to want to quiet all those fucking voices down and all that anger down. Alcohol and cocaine in his younger years. This is a guy who doesn't sound like he needs cocaine at all.

At all. This is a guy. You want to sit him down with a nice bong and say, this is what you should calm it the fuck down. Just take it down a notch. Sit back. Relax. Yep. Instead, booze and coke. Just fucking murder fuel, basically.

So later records referenced use around the time of this offense here when he first started getting in trouble. By his late teens and early adulthood, he's prescribed Prozac for the manic episodes and mood issues. All right. Now, Jill Hassung. who is a worker at the Natchezza place, and a good friend of Tommy, said at age 18, Tommy moved to St. Petersburg, Florida,

to live with her because he was starting to get in trouble in Illinois and she wanted to give him a fresh start. Talk about bringing home the lost puppies. Yeah. She fell bad for him and moved this troubled young man to Florida, where everything will be better, I'm sure.

It'll fix. That's a good reset. Other than fitting in, I don't know what else is good for him down there. You're certainly training him, cross-training him, really. Really, you are. Well, he gets down to Florida and he starts getting involved in boxing at the 4th Street gym and found a job working for his brother who owned his own construction business. Now, luckily for him, he's got nine siblings, so that's helpful. One of them's got to have a job for you eventually, right?

So the has sung, the guy, the lady, what's her fucking first? Jill. Jill. We'll call her Jill. Jill attended all but one of his local boxing fights and explained that Tommy had a rough boxing style. So they said that basically, whether he's boxing in the gym or during a fight,

he had a weird thing, almost like a Rocky Martiano, where he would take hits before he would start fighting back. Oh. Like, he needed you to piss him off first. Rope a dope, but I'm not going to dodge him. Yeah, it's

No. It's just going to eat them. I'm just going to hit me, hit me, hit me, let the rage build up inside of me. Then I see your face as my father's and I beat you. That's how it works. So he's a really dedicated boxer. He trains regularly and before and after a full day of work. So he gets up early, trains goes to work, then goes in trains again.

He continues to experience emotional problems, though, because boxing isn't going to solve your issues. You can't run from them unless you're, you know, only inside the ring is where they're going to be fixed. Soon as you step through the ropes, shit's fucked up again. It's how it is. Life's back to normal. Comics try to run from that by being on stage. You're only up there an hour a night, asshole. What about the other 23 fucking hours when you're a mess?

What's going to do? Where you're running to. Yep. So on one occasion, he called Jill because he was upset and scared. He was crying and told her that he was afraid I might hurt somebody and told her. and told her that he needed to get on some kind of medication. And that's when he was taken to a physician and put on Prozac. Okay.

Now, the doctor said that, they said he said that since Tommy was a boxer, he wanted to give him something that would allow Tommy to keep his edge as far as boxing, nothing that would, you know, dull him down too much. Lithium might not be the best thing for you if you're boxing. You need something that's going to keep you up a little bit. He had another setback here while he's competing in Albuquer, New Mexico. His coach had to call Jill on the phone because, quote, Tommy was acting really strange. How do you act strange? When you're a stranger, we'll find it here. Wow. He told her that Tommy was

off his medication and that he needed his medication. So Jill had the prescription faxed over to a drugstore in Albuquerque to get him his medication. When Tommy first started taking Prozac, he was even more hyper than he usually was. It made him hyper the Prozac. Jacked him up a lot. That's not good. No, I don't know how that works. I don't know if that's like if you're if you're not, if you're not hyperactive and you take Adderall, it makes you hyper. But if you're hyperactive and you take it, it makes you calm. Maybe that's, I'm not sure. I don't know. It could be the dosage is wrong. It could be a lot of things. But the main point is, it's not right. Not working with his brain chemistry. Yeah. Not working with that. His behavior on

Prozac changed. And the last time he was on it, he quote, just got real paranoid. He started to get paranoid on it. So Jill said that Jill was the one who told Tommy that Lori, winge, the former foster mother, had cancer. Yeah. And Tommy cried and said, why does it have to be her?

Why can't it be my real mother? Oh, my God. I mean, I don't have any, I don't give a fuck about her. I don't have any relationship with her. She left me with the, in your mind, the mother is just as much as a victim as you are. but in your mind, she's an adult and she's your mother, so she should have protected you from father, obviously.

But he also hasn't seen that woman, and who knows she might have this too. Never know. She could be dead by now, too. So several weeks later, they said Tommy was absolutely destroyed when Lori died. Just wrecked him, wrecked him. Now, boxing-wise, we haven't gotten into this at all.

It's an hour six into this thing. It's been an hour of child abuse And now let's talk about some boxing for a minute Before we get into more More horrible things So a professional boxer named Mike Middleton Describe Tommy's boxing style As take two to give one type of fighter

Which is exactly how they described Really? Exactly how they described Rocky Marchiano Exactly same way He was short and had short arms And was smaller than everybody So he'd get in Didn't mind you hitting him twice If he could lay one good wallop on you

That was his style. He could outlast you essentially and then break you down. Fine and well, as long as you've got the punch to back it. Yeah, Marciano is 49 and 0, so it worked out for him. Yeah. There's very few that you're talking about, James. You're talking about one guy. That's what I mean.

One guy can do it. It's the Rocky Balboa style, which you look at and you go, that's a terrible way to box. Jesus, that's horrible. I mean, nobody looked at Marciano and said, he's just so technically superior. They just said he's willing to get hit in the face and hit in the face more than anybody else. That's it. He's tougher than them and he hits hard and that's it.

That's not as scler by far. I don't make you slur saying the word apple. Yeah. There's no S in that. Damn. So that's how it works. He said he would absorb punishment, keep coming at you and impose his will upon you. His style was to just keep coming, which mentally will break down a boxer if someone keeps coming and keeps coming.

It's like, that's just after a while, you start to. lose your mind. They can't get this guy to back off. So, Middleton frequently observed Tommy put his hands down during a fight as well as in training sessions. This would cause him to be hit in the head without any defense. Didn't care.

Right. Yep. Thought he was tough enough. His assistant boxing coach and teammate explained that Tommy had a specific type of boxing style where he, quote, didn't really worry about defense. He just depended on his offense. That's...

Worry about. Wow. It's like Hearns Hagler every fight with this guy, just open it up. Yeah. They said, Tommy was the type of boxer who, quote, does not care if he gets hit, you know, and they just go straight forward and they don't care if they get hit. Tommy put his hands down during fights and was hitting the head more often than the other boxers I worked with. He just would get hit in the head constantly. Just blows that normally would glance off gloves. His gloves are down.

So he's just taking extra hits to the head. Just eating them for no reason. Which is not smart, obviously. It's not sustainable, the guy said, too. He said, listen, this is not sustainable what you're doing. You can't do this until you're 35. You're going to have pudding brain. This is nuts.

This coach also shared a room with Tommy on several occasions while on the road, and he said Tommy would have severe nightmares every other night. He'd wake up screaming in like a night terrors, essentially horrible nightmares. Whatever. Now, Brad has sung, who I assume is Jill's husband, I guess. Same last name. Said Tommy's boxing style was crazy too. He attended most of Tommy's local matches

and described Tommy's boxing style as the type of fighter that was willing to take five punches to get one, not just two. Now he's taking more. He's taken a couple combinations now. According to Brad, Tommy would take an unusual amount of punches during these matches. The referees at the matches were aware of his style.

Quote, they knew he could take a lot of punches so they would allow Tommy to take the beating. the punches, knowing that he could withstand them and come back. Normally, when a guy gets hit eight times unanswered, you step in the middle and ring the fucking bell. Yeah. That's it. You know what I'm saying?

Like 9, 10, 12 type. Unanswered. Or undefended. Yeah. But either, yeah. I mean, if the guy's knocking some of them away, but if he's just getting blasted in the face 12 straight times, you step in the middle of that for the general thing. But they knew Tommy, that was his style.

If he, they stopped the fight, Tommy, go, what the fuck are you doing? I had him just where I wanted him. That's where I needed. it to be. Next time, two more punches, I was going to wail him. He was getting tired. He wasn't I've already won. No, shit. So,

the Hassung family, they had some connections and they helped support him and help steer him toward boxing earlier. So he continues to suffer from these emotional and behavioral problems, though. He keeps taking Prozac. His illness is interfering

with his emerging boxing career and his attempts at managing his illness without medication or unsuccessful, as they normally are. If your brain chemistry is not right, you need something to fix the chemistry, period. You can't will your chemistry to be better. People think they can just will their brains to do things.

Your brain is a real complicated. If you're going to start your car and it doesn't start, do you just, I'll crank the key harder and my willpower will start the car? Something's wrong. You know, what are you doing? Yeah. So he won a Florida State Championship in 1994.

Now, as an amateur, He has a lot of amateur fights, but the only thing we can find on him is one amateur fight that we know him. But like we said, he had a ton of them. He won a state championship, for Christ's sake. This was on March 27, 1994, against Jason Adams,

who came in 0-1 for his career and left O'N two for his career. So there you go. I'm about that. He beats him as a pro. He is Tommy Eaglin as well. So then he becomes a pro. April 29th, 19th,

1994 is his pro debut. He fights William Vareera, who comes into this fight 0 and 6. Fuck. Jesus Christ, man. Can you imagine being that bad at something and just continuing? You almost feel bad for the guys. You're pummeling him, wouldn't you? Like, why are you doing this?

Why are you here? Just quit, please. The fuck, man. So I can stop punching you. This is... You're so bad watching this. Two minutes and 19 seconds, Tommy Knox. him out. And this will be 0.7, and that's his last fight for this William Burrera guy.

I think they're fighting at 147, by the way, I believe, the weight class. This was a four-round exhibition, but not exhibition, but a four-round fight, only goes two minutes and 19 seconds. So they said that these are easy knockouts, and his pro-debuty needed only two minutes and 19 seconds to take out Willie Barrera while the other guy did, wow. Another guy knocked somebody out 19 seconds, not bad. May 10th, 1994, so less than two weeks later, he fights James Elliott,

who's 1 and 0 coming into this career. Here we go, 1 and 0 versus 1 and 0. It's all happening now. This is at the Hammer Jacks Nightclub, J-A-X, Hammer Jacks in Tampa. That's got to be in Ebor City.

It fucking has to be. It's not fun. It's a gross place. I guarantee that. That sounds like something that would go down in Ebor City. For sure. What do you think the reviews are of that place?

Oh, I hope it's still open because your stupid opinions, we will be covering the hammer jacks. I doubt it's open, though. That X is very mid-90s. That's gone by now. It has to be. It says Florida history, James. Yeah, history, because a lot of weird shit went down there. Yeah, it was.

There's a lot of was going on in these descriptions here, so it's gone. Oh, my God. You don't even want to see it. It's so 1990. Oh, I bet. Hammer Jacks with an X? Jesus Christ. It can't be anymore in Tampa.

It says hammer and then Jacks is written in like pink, like what neon writing would be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a diagonal over the word hammer. Now that is 90s. Yeah. That's the 90s right there. And it's not a neon sign. It's paint.

Yes. All class, Tampa, all class. Yeah. It's gone. I would assume so. Now, this fight goes all four rounds. Wow. And Tommy wins by unanimous decision.

He's 2 and 0. Yeah. Look at Tommy. July 22nd, 1994, Alejandro Otero, 1 and 0 coming into this fight. He'll be 3, 12, and 2 for his career. So not exactly a future star here. This is at the St. Petersburg Coliseum in Florida here by Tampa.

This fight is, again, all four rounds. Tommy takes his time, as we know. But Tommy wins it again. He's 3-0. Hey. Not bad. Mike Wilson, he fights next. September 16th, 1994.

This is Mike Wilson's pro debut. And he will have an illustrious career, though. Really? He will have an amazing career of 0 and 7, which is just, nah. This fight goes a minute 34 seconds. and it's a TKO win for Tommy. So if you give him a tomato can, he'll kick the shit out of you, yeah.

October 6, 1994, he fights Larry Jarrett, who is 6-4-1 coming into this fight. This is at the Hyatt Regency in Tampa, just right in the lobby there. People with their luggage trying to check in. Oh, this is going on. We've heard of a lot of fights here.

We really have. What are they doing over there? They must have a ballroom or something they do this in or some shit. So, yeah, I mean, that like Chase Hotel in St. Louis was a nice, it still is, a beautiful hotel. They had wrestling there for 30 years, 40 years. Same shit. So maybe that's what they do.

They have like their own arena or something. But this fight goes all six rounds. A six round fight. This is a unanimous decision win for Tommy. He's 5 and 0. Now we're talking. Not bad. Now he's cooking with gas.

Here we go. December 9th, 94, he fights Lou Martinez, who's 3 and 0. coming into this fight and five and seven for his career. So six and oh versus three and oh here. Hot shit. This is a majority decision. It goes all six rounds. So two judges to one.

Tommy wins it again. He is six and oh. The way his style sounds like he doesn't seem like a guy who would do well on cards. Because anybody, if they look at it and they go, he's punched you five times more than you've punched him, you lose. on paper that looks like dog shit. Exactly, unless you've never hurt him at all and he's hurt you a little more even with the less punches that he's thrown.

That's the only way I can see it, which has to be it. February 24th, 95, Eddie Strickland, one and four for his career coming in. One in five is his whole career. This is his last fight because he's T-KOed in the fifth round

at the Coliseum in St. Petersburg. March 25th, 95. So coming into this fight, Tommy's 7-0, And he fights, uh, woof, Dios Belis,

Hurtado. Mm. D-I-O-S-B-E-L-Y-S. Dios B-E-L-Y-S. Dios B-L-L-S. D-B-L-A-Raddo, who has, who's known as very unlikely nicknames,

number one, black money. I don't know what that means. Uh-huh. And number two, the Oriental Kid. Okay. What do you,

I don't know. I don't even know what to say about that. Either way, this guy is 3 and O coming into this fight with a 7 and O, Tommy. This guy, though, will be 43, 3 and 1 for his career. A very good fighter. That's a great. That's a great record. I mean, phenomenal, top notch. And Tommy goes, this is at the Miami Beach, Seville Beach Hotel.

Miami, or I'm sorry, Miami, Tommy goes all six rounds with this. guy and loses on points. So he loses, but no shame and losing a guy. Very respectable. He's 43, 3 and 1 in his career. That's fine. He's 7 and 1. And goes the distance with him. So great. Good for him. Next up, June 2,

95, Mickey Blagojevich here. He's 4 and 0 coming in, 9 and 1 in his career. This is at the Coliseum again in St. Petersburg. This fight goes all four rounds, and Tommy loses it by decision. Unanimous decision. So he's seven and two now. Not great. Two in a row he's lost. October 10th, 95, he fights Darren Thomas, who's

debuting in this fight, but is 310 and 1 in his career. And again, right here in the lobby of the old Hyatt Regency, this has taken place. Goes all six unanimous decision win for Tommy. So he's doing fine. February 8th, 96, Calvin Moody, who comes into this fight, 941 and 2.5.2. Not good. Not good. Coming in that way. Coming in, 9, 41, and 2.

You know what his career record is? Yeah. 9.62 and 2. He never wins another fight anyway. Never. He loses this fight and then 20 more straight in a row. Oh. That's a joke.

The fuck, man. He knows what his job is, and that is to be the punch. I'd lose to an up-and-comer. That's why he gets booked by these, by the promoters. But I mean, what does a nine win and 62 loss boxer even prove? You know what I mean? That doesn't prove anything.

Yeah. What are you doing to yourself? So this is a fifth round TKO win for Tommy. So he is now nine and two. He's doing well again. Next up, February 13, 1996, Scott Erickson, who gives himself a nickname of not the twins and pitcher Scott Erickson.

Scott Erickson, Scott the Sandman Erickson. You know, because he's going to put you to sleep. And he played Mike Tyson's punch out and he was like, he was tough. He was tough. He almost went with Soda Popinski as a name, but he decided against it. He comes into this fight five and four.

How dare you call yourself the Sandman when you're 500 almost? You've only won one more fight than you've lost. You're barely 500. This is crazy. Yeah. And he'll be seven, five, and one for his career. The Sandman. This is in Punta Gorda, Florida at the Charlotte Memorial Auditorium.

This fight goes all six rounds, and it's a unanimous decision, win for Tommy, taking him to 10 and 2. He is doing great. March 22nd, 1996. Wow. I don't know why you'd even do this. This is at the, it's somewhere in Pennsylvania, Dixon City, Pennsylvania at Genetti Manor. sounds like somebody's house

they just set up a ring in the yard and I want to see I want to see men fight in my yard please it's private of that yeah it's private this is against a guy named Earl Williams who I don't know if he worked at the matter or what but he's 0 and 9

coming into this fight and 0 and 13 for his career Jesus man which means Tommy wins this fight by KO in the third round bringing him to 11 and 2 so So not bad.

There's an article about this, by the way. The Times leader from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, or Wilkesbury, I can't remember how you say that. Eaglin has knockout performance and feature. They say his original opponent was a late scratch. That's why he got the O'Nine guy. Yeah. They had to look around the audience. Again, like a comic didn't show up and they're like, anybody hanging around the green room?

Anybody stop in tonight? You, you're on. Have you got a couple of jokes? Want to do 20? Good. Go ahead. You got a singer or three? Some other comic sitting there. His original opponent was a late scratch, but Tommy didn't care. Going with the flow suits Eagland just fine at this early point in his professional boxing career.

Eaglin, a 20-year-old welterweight from Tampa, was scheduled to fight Philadelphia and Eric Mitchell in the main event of the, quote, Irish Night at the Fights at Genetti Manor Friday night. Trading in Mitchell for another Philadelphia, Earl Medea, William. Earl Williams, Eagland still won a third round knockout. What bothered Eagland and trainer-turn manager or trainer-manager, Jim McLaughlin, was that the fight with the original opponent was to go eight rounds. The match with the replacement opponent was knocked down to six rounds because of Williams' limited pro experience. And Tommy was pissed off.

He said, quote, I wanted the eight-round fight so I could step up and show everybody what I can do. And they only gave me six because this guy's a fucking bum. They said, he didn't say that, but I said that. Tommy still showed his punching power by knocking down Williams three times in the first two rounds. In the third round, he hit Williams with a shot to the stomach that kept him down longer than the referee's 10 count. Eaglin's next fight will be in two weeks in Tampa against a to be determined opponent. That's crazy. I don't even know you're fighting in two weeks.

How are you supposed to prepare for him? How are you supposed to prep for that? Yeah. That's wild. McLaughlin said, for a beginning fighter, that's the way it is. But our attitude is that we're ready for every fight. As you start to become more of a world-class fighter, you have more control over that and knowledge of your opponents.

There's more time in between fights, basically. These guys are never out of training because they fight once a month. So you're always in training, basically. It's just a very interesting choice to be taking a fight that is right around the corner, and you don't even know who he is. Not even sure. Well, April 25th, 1996, Damien Sutton is who it is. Oh, we found out.

524 and 2 coming into this fight. Oh, boy. 18, 29, and 3 for his career. So somehow he ends up being like 13 and 5 for the rest of his career, even though he was terrible before that. It's super weird. This is at the... Sometimes you've got to get punched tomorrow. I guess so.

He got better with experience, that's all. This is at the Egypt Shrine Temple in Tampa here. This fight only goes two rounds because Tommy wins by TKO. Sutton was down twice in the second and three times in the third and that's when they called it. Now Tommy got knocked down on the first

but that just made him you know, feel good. It's what he's used to. It's like, yeah, good, he got me. I like it. So he's 12 and 2 now. He then fights September 13th, 1996. So that's the most time he's had in between fights.

Let his brain heal a little bit. He's got like five. months. He fights Soren Mr. Perfect. Everybody just watches wrestling, I swear to Christ. It's absurd. Mr. Perfect Sondergaard, which Henning was still

wrestling at this point. He just went to WCW in 96 and, you know, he's still around. He wasn't using Mr. Perfect because WWE owned that, but still, he's the guy. This Soren Sondregard, though, is 25 and 1 coming into this fight.

Wow. That's a bad motherfucker right there. Yeah. His career, 39, 1 and 1. That's a fucking great. Bad dude.

Real badass. There's so many great boxers that we don't even have never fucking heard of. It's crazy. But who knows who we ever fought.

Now, this is at the Ringstead. This is in another country. Is that the Swiss flag with like the cross that's crooked to the side? Who's that? Swiss.

Blue and white? No, red and white. Red and white. Red flag with a, white cross, but the cross is off to the side. Like, it goes the whole... Iceland, maybe? I think it's Iceland. It's a red flag with a line that goes down,

a third of the way in on the left, and then a white line across the center that goes all the way across. Makes like a cross, but the cross is off to the left side. Iceland's flag is blue like that. Okay. Who the fuck is this red flag? Norway? Everybody's got a fucking cross on their side. Where's

Ringstead? Ringstead? Yeah. R-I-N-G-stead? R-N-G-S-E-S-E-S-E-E-S-E-E-S-E-E-S-E? T-E-D. That's Danish. Danish. There you go. Danish Island of Zealand.

Well, that's, this flag is, yeah, this is a Danish flag. Okay, that makes sense. Wow. Okay. Yeah, it's Denmark. Yeah, it's Denmark. So that's the flag, Denmark. So they're fighting in Denmark where I assume this guy is from because he has two A's in a row in his name.

So that's, he's Danish. That generally is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This fight only goes to the third round where Tommy is knocked out. So he's 12 and 3. That guy was just, he was too good for him. That's it.

He was much better, much more skilled. If you let a great fighter hit you, he won't stop hitting you. You won't be able to hit him. You're going to have to fend off a lot more. That works with shitty fighters, but great fighters, you can't let them hit you like that. They will destroy you. They're great punchers. The difference in punching power between a great fighter and a mediocre fighter is huge.

You know what I mean? It's a chasm. So he's 12 and 3 now. November 15th, 1996. He's trying to get his shit together here, and he fights Troy Crane, who's 14 and 4 in his career, but will end up 14 and 11 in his career. He's back in St. Petersburg at the Coliseum, so he's back home. This fight goes all 12 rounds. This is for the USA Florida State welterweight title.

So it's a championship fight. It goes 12 rounds. Tommy wins by TKO in the 12th. dramatic. This guy's got a sense of drama about him, doesn't he? Yeah. So he is the USA Florida State welterweight champion at this point. And he's 13 and 3.

And they said, in a rousing bout for the Florida welterweight title, Irish Tommy Eagland won a war from Troy Crane, stopping him midway through the 12th round. That's pretty awesome. A 12th round knockouts. You got to see the whole fight at a knockout. For the fans, it's the best thing you can expect or hope for from a boxing match. It's like Foreman knocking out Michael Moore toward the end of the fight.

I think that was the last round when he knocked out Michael Moore. He was losing on every card. He was getting killed. And he just knocked this guy out. Yeah. Popped a quick combo out of him. Especially if they're trading blows for that whole time. Yeah.

Okay. February 15, 1997, Jamie Bradado, he fights, who's also known as, quote, Jimmy Corona, which sounds like a nickname. That's what I call him. Yeah. That sounds like, you know, if me and you went to hang out on the beach and we were getting drunk, I go, it's Jimmy Corona over here. What's going on? Anyways, you got a Corona in your hand. Like, that's about it. I almost guarantee a waitress has written that as the nickname of my table. Yeah, for sure. I drink a lot of coronas, and she's put my card in her little

deal and it says, Jimmy Corona, whatever. Jimmy Corona. That's who it is. Now, this guy might be having a few too many coronas because he comes into this fight, oh, and five. And his career, he's 0-17 and won. That's his whole career. Never wins a fight. Imagine how thrilled he was to tie the one time.

Imagine how happy he was with a draw. That must have been like, fucking did it. I didn't lose. Yes. I'm a man. I did it. This is an album. Aberkirky, New Mexico at the Luan building.

Nice. It goes three rounds, and it is a TKO win, obviously. Jimmy Corona didn't win. We know that for Tommy, who's 14 and 3 now. February 21st, 97, six days later. Six days later, which is insane. He fights Jerry Smith, who is 12 and 25 coming into this fight, career mark of 1564 Four and one.

Jesus, fucking Christ. There is definitely a profession of professional, got my ass kick today, guy in boxing. Professional loser, yeah. Yeah. Guy who can just take a lot of blows to the head and still be able to go to work Monday morning

and know what he's doing, basically. Still be able to go down to the construction site and do what he has to do. This fight is in Florida. It goes all 10 rounds, but it's a unanimous decision win for Tommy who was smoking him on every card by a long. So not even close.

So he's 15 and 3 now. Now there's an article from the Tampa Tribune around this time Sunday, March 30th, 1997, that says fighting helps Eagland stay away from his troubles. Yeah, I would say. They said this article, that's positive. It goes on to say there was a time when Tommy Eagland got into trouble fighting. Boxing helped him out of it. What a difference the gloves made, in addition to a caring, adoptive family and a steady day job. after he moved to St. Petersburg from Illinois.

Not only did he experience a change of weather, but a change of purpose in life. And for Eaglin, it came just in time, even though he's only 21. Eaglin, who was arrested several times as a teenager for fighting, he was adrift and angry, running from the times he had as a three-sport athlete and class president.

His parents divorced when he was a toddler. That's one way to put it. Jesus. His relationship with his father was Rocky at best. This is the argument. that's from. Along came Jill Hussung, a youth counselor who had first met Eagland when he was 13 in a foster home. His father, Kenneth, was in prison, and still is, in Galesburg, Illinois, convicted of solicitation of murder according to a Department of Corrections spokesman.

He shouldn't have gotten that far. It shouldn't even gotten that far, yeah. The son was loitering on the outskirts of trouble, but Hussung said, but what I saw, when I saw what was in there inside of, him, I stayed in contact with him. And three years ago, Hussung, who had moved to St. Petersburg, made Eaglin an offer to come to Florida, move in with her and work for her family's construction business. Soon, he also found his way to the Fort Street gym at Hussung's urging. At the gym, he found a trainer, Jim McLaughlin, who also saw something, he said, quote,

he's a typical Irish fighter with a chin you wouldn't believe. He can take a punch. That's all. Yeah. Like, what was the guy's name? Oh, my God. E. Oh, my God.

The fucking Irish Republican, the IRA guy. The IRA fighter we covered. I forget his name too. It's something with an E, and this is his first name. E's something. I can't fucking, I can see his face, but my brain is not working for that. But he's the same type of guy. Yeah.

That's a straightforward kind of the old school Irish boxer. He says, I think he has. has a potential to get a world title shot one day. He's really starting to mature, and he's going to get nothing but better. He was 40 and 4 as an amateur, apparently. Wow. Just pretty good, including a state golden gloves championship. So he's also won the state golden glove.

That's the Florida state champion. He's 15-2 as a pro. He won the state welterweight title at the Coliseum beating Troy Crane. He's been on the cusp of the division's elite, losing a tough 10-round decision to Hurtado who recently lost a world title fight to Pernell Whitaker, who was a great fucking fighter

and a crime and sports alumni, I believe. If I'm not mistaken, we covered him. Eagland said two more rounds than I would have taken Hurtado out too. If only the fight was longer, is what he said. I need 14 rounds. Yeah. Wow. An Eagland fight goes beyond toe to toe.

It's cheek to cheek. His style is rough but refined. if you know what to look for. He's a brawler with punishing hooks and a touch of finesse learned in part from USABA featherweight champion David Santos, who's also ranked number 15 in the world by IBF, his training partner.

So he's training with a world-class fighter, which helps. He's seeing the quickness, he's seeing how defense works with how they can block his shots. He said, David said, I owe, or I'm sorry, Tommy said, I owe David a lot. He's sort of like my big brother in boxing. He teaches me a lot.

Sparring with a guy like him gives you boxing skills. You can't learn everywhere. And Santos said, I like Tommy's dedication. He gives me a lot of work. He's had a rough life, a tough life, but with boxing, he can go a long way. What he's doing right now is how I got good. By the time I was 13 or 14, I was sparring with pros. You can hit this guy with a bat, and I don't think you could knock him out.

So you're not going to knock him out. Most boxers have a daily workout regimen. Eaglin has that and more. They said basically his life is a regimen. Construction work in Florida heat. A 12-rounder looks good in comparison. And Eaglin said, the work is hard, sure, but it helps keep me from getting in trouble. And Hassan jumps in and talks about her.

And he says, she's the first person in my life who's never given up on me. She's always telling me you can do it. And Jill Hassan said, I won't want to. let him get in trouble. I stay on his butt. Oh, that's weird. He's definitely one of the family now, and he's one of those Cinderella stories. He's got it. He's got the heart of a champion. Eagland said, that's nice to hear, but he wants a world title. He said, that's all it is. He said, I don't want to be 35 years old talking to my kids and telling them I could have done this or that. When I reached that age, I want to know I gave it my best shot. I can fight with anyone in the

world in my weight class, I know that. But if I don't win a world title in three years, that will be enough. I don't want to end up a second-rate opponent. I don't want to be one of these guys who's 500 and goes in and gets beat by the guys who are getting a tune-up fight in between championship fights type of guys.

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Rudy Bad Boy Lovato he's fighting. Six and nine coming in, 21, 40, and four in his career. Wow. This is back at the New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico, Lujan building. This is a unanimous decision,

goes all 10 rounds, and he loses. He loses to a six and nine fighter by decision. Oh, no. Not good. He's 15 and four. and he says he's pissed. He says it was a unanimous decision at these state fairgrounds.

They said they smothered Tommy with an almost four to one ratio of punches. And that can happen. Like I said, judges see that and they think this guy's kicking his ass when he's not. Right. You know, so he said there's... One guy's bloody and it's not the guy that punched the most. They said, yeah, they said these... These blows were mostly soft, but accurate scoring blows to the head and body.

There was no knockdowns. So they got, he was, he got one by far on all the scorecards. Yeah. Eaglin, by the way, said he was, he had the flu that night, too. And, um, yeah. Oh, he has a Jordan's flu game, huh? He's got a flu game. Eagland also said, they said that Eaglin had LeVado in trouble on the ropes multiple times, but let him get away somehow.

October 7th, October 4th, 1997, Chris Linson Jr., who's 10 and O coming into this fight. They fight at the State Fair Pavilion in New Mexico, and this is a fifth round TKO win for Tommy. Win this time. So he's 16 and 4 back on the horse against a 10-and-0 fighter, too, so that's good. Next up, December 5th, 1997, Lamont the Monster Johnson. Okay. He's 4-9-1. Monster Johnson. You can't. Yeah, Monster Johnson. Or he's the Monster Lamont Johnson.

But I put Monster before Johnson because that made me smile more. I don't know. So he's 4-9 and 1 coming into this match. You can't give yourself a nickname like Sandman or Monster when you're not even 500. That's pathetic. Man, he'll be 519 and 2 for his career. So 1 and 10 for the rest of his career. This is a third round knockout here for Tommy again. So he's 17 and 4 now. February 3rd, 1998, he fights Mike the Hammer Griffith. This is a 17 and 5 fighter coming in, 23 and 8 for his career.

This fight goes all 10 rounds. And Tommy loses a unanimous decision. He is 17 and 5 now. So these decisions are hurting him. And that's the end of his boxing career, by the way. It's already done? It's already done. He's like 22.

Not by his choice. He doesn't retire or anything like that. Let's just read this. March 8, 1998. Okay. The family of John Frederick Nichols stabbed to death in a topless bar parking lot last month, received good news Saturday morning

as they prepared for his funeral. funeral. About 3 a.m., authorities called to say they arrested a St. Petersburg man and charged him with murdering Nichols. You know who that is? It's Tommy. Tommy. It's Tommy. This is... What have you done? Exactly what anybody would have predicted he'd do. Anybody with a fucking, you don't need a crystal ball for this. You know what I mean? This is exactly what you'd expect him to do. Exactly. Like, perfectly. He's just exploded. Yep, he's being held without bail on Pinellas County, in Pinellas County Jail on charges of first-degree murder, grand theft of a motor vehicle as well. Ed Dietz, who is Nichols, the dead man's stepfather, said at least like my wife said, now he won't be able to hurt anyone else, this Tommy Eaglin.

Nichols' body was found in the back of, back parking lot of Temptations, Topless Bar in Pinellas. Park at about 1.15 a.m. Dying in a fucking outskirts of Tampa strip club parking lot is the worst way to go. That is horrifying. Stabbed to death there. Stabbed to death.

He'd been stabbed several times in the upper part of his body. Authorities think that Nichols had just pulled into the parking lot when he saw Tommy trying to steal a stereo from a geo-tracker. A tracker?

A tracker. That is one of the most pathetic crimes I've ever heard about. Trying to steal a stereo from a geo-ch? What the fuck kind of stereo you think is in a geo-tracker, homie? Honestly. A stock geo-stereo? Yeah. And no one driving a tracker in 1990, fucking late 90s, can afford to put a good system in it.

They'd buy another better car. It's a piece of shit. That's not a nice stereo that's in there. I guarantee it. Wow. This is from, he was trying to steal the tracker. The, uh, Eaglin had stolen. the tracker apparently. This is

a stolen tracker that he brought here. He stole the tracker from another strip club Diamond Dolls a few hours earlier. Oh, Florida. You name them really well. Wow. Which I wonder if that's the place that Diamond Dallas Page had and worked at because he always had in AWA when he was first a manager, he had

the Diamond Dolls. Those were his fucking those were a bunch of strippers he knew from the strip club. He'd bring, he'd with him out there to be his diamond dolls because he worked at a strip club. I wonder if it was there. He ran one, basically. And it was in Tampa.

I'm 90% sure is where he was running one at this time. But this is the 90s. The diamond exchange is the name of the... What is that? This is the night. I mean, he was a star at WCW at this point.

He was like World Heavyweight Champion twice by now. So I mean, I'm just wondering if in the 80s, this is the same place that he worked in the 80s before all that happened. Did he grow up in... Is he from Florida?

Not originally, but he, he obviously ended up there clearly. Sure. Look, you don't have that look and not be in Florida. Then he was in Atlanta after that, and that's how he ran into a lot of wrestlers was in Atlanta too. They all run into fucking Tampa at some point.

All of them. They all live in Tampa. All the wrestlers live in Tampa. All the old wrestlers, they all live in Tampa. They all live in Tampa. Love it. So authorities think that that's what happened. He stole it from Diamond Dolls. They said Nichols apparently encountered this Eaglin after he had parked in the parking lot,

as what the sheriff spokeswoman said, somehow a struggle erupted, and in their initial contact, Nichols was stabbed. Why would he just punched the shit out of him? Why would he stab this guy? Maybe he was bigger? Who cares? You're a professional, you're a welter. A 147-pound professional boxer will kick the shit out of a 200-pound tough guy who's not a boxer.

He'll break his ass down in two seconds. Won't even take any time at all. He'll fuck his ass up. So a tip led detectives to Eaglin, whose criminal history includes charges of battery and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Now we're getting. Oh.

Eagland did that. Diane Nichols says she took comfort in hearing that her husband apparently was trying to prevent a theft when he was killed. I'm so happy that my children lost their father, so a person's geotracker stereo, stayed intact. I'm proud of that. Imagine stealing a geotracker and going, man, this motherfucker jams.

Yes, is the shit. I'm taking this stereo. I might abandon this car. Man, who's one of the ones where the face popped off? It's the 90s. I'll take it in the stereo, though. Or it's got a handle and you can pull the whole thing out. No, shit. What do you think she was most disappointed with?

The fact that her husband was stabbed in a strip club parking lot in the middle of the night or the fact they didn't mind his own fucking business when someone was stealing a geo-tracker stereo. Which would you be more upset about if you were this white? I don't know which one. Stealing a spark-a-matic, for Christ's sake. Let it go. Who gives a shit?

Yeah. That's wild. She said he was one of the good guys. If he saw something that somebody was doing wrong, he would try to stop that person. And then he'd go see some tits. That's how he did it, always. He'd try to stop the person, and then he'd go see tits.

That's always what he did. He had a plan. Yeah, I can understand. Save people, then be at the strip club before closing. That's how he liked to do it. C tits. Nichols was 27. It was on the do list.

Save people, see tits. Save people, keep stereos intact. See tits. Okay. Nichols, 27, was a shift supervisor. Where, Jimmy? The Wendy's in Clearwater. He works at Wendy's.

He had a lawn. A Wendy's employee. A fucking Wendy's employee, man. He had a lawn care and pressure wash business, and he was studying at St. Petersburg Junior College to be a lab tech. He was born in St. Petersburg. Why was he awake at this time? He seems so fucking busy.

Very busy. I could see why he'd need tits. He's got a lot going on. He was also an army veteran who served in the Persian Gulf War. So he's done a lot, this guy. On a Saturday, after a church service in Pinellas Park, Nichols' family spread his ashes in the water near John's Pass. As if he couldn't make Florida water grocer, they figured a way to do it.

Put a dead fucking Wendy's employee in there. Knowing Eagland had been arrested made the service more bearable, the family member said. His dad said, we're very relieved. We got the news before my son was buried. It kind of brings a little closure to the tragedy of my son being murdered. So he is being charged with murder. March 10th, 1998, Tommy's being charged with fucking murder, period. God damn.

They said, yeah, they're saying early Saturday, the police caoed their man. Eaglin 22 was arrested and charged with the first degree murder of John Frederick Nichols, who was found stabbed behind a topless bar. They believed he pulled into the parking lot, discovered him trying to steal the stereo, and that's what they think happened. in here. People who New England said they're shocked by his arrest. Jill said she keeps his

butt out of trouble. Yeah. Keep his butt out of strip clubs at two in the morning. Nothing good is happening in a.m. at 1.15 a.m. Guaranteed. No. Nothing good can come from that. Nothing. You're not going to... Yeah. You're not going to make like

business connections. You're not going to network. No. Nothing good can happen from 1.15 at the strip club. Except the boner. You're about to pay. another ATM service fee for money that you should not be spending. So you can then go home and whack off that you could have done for free at 8 o'clock at night

and saved yourself all this money and time and trouble. It's crazy. If guys just whacked off at home, there would be no strip clubs. There would be tumbleweeds blowing through the middle of those places. They go, ah, never mind. I'm not doing that. Nobody wax off, then goes to the strip club.

You know what I mean? Yeah. If you just took the five minutes and jerked it before you went, Problem solved. Fucking night's over with. All that money saved. Yeah. Wow.

Guys going for escorts and they're looking through fucking old those newspapers that come out of the free things and they're calling. Wack off. You don't, all this shit. You have so much time. I do like a strip club though. Well, yeah. If you had just jerked off, are you going to the strip club? Probably not.

I might take a nap. Might just take a nap. I might just take a nap that turns into nighttime. Maybe. You're definitely going to be like, I don't need tits right now. That's, you know, I can get booze cheaper over there. I used to go to a strip club purposely because there was a stripper there that looked like somebody I really liked. And then I felt like I was.

That's a fucking, that's an amazing win. That's like, oh my God. That's incredible. It's like, oh, man, she looks like my 11th grade tech chemistry teacher. I wanted to fuck her since then. Shit. Then it felt like I was getting a lap dance from her, and it didn't matter how much I was paying.

I loved it. You were thrilled. She's not in the wiser. There's a victimless crime. You're like, call yourself Jessica. She's like, what? Just go with me, please. So Jim McLaughlin, Egan's trainer, said,

we were as close as any two people could be. I really feel like. somebody just pulled my guts out. Yeah. So, yeah, he said, I never saw this side of him. Everybody here loved him. Bonnie and Ed Plumtree were two of Eagland's biggest fans. Mrs. Plumtree said her and her husband had invested some of their money in

England's prize fighting career. They've been, like, funding him. They said, the Tommy we know is a good kid. He had a very good future. We're very sad for him and the person who died. It's very fucked up. Yeah. They said his coach, his manager said that Eagland's a single guy.

He trained vigorously every day. He got up at 5 a.m. to run. He worked construction until nightfall when he'd report to the 4th Street gym for training. I mean, that's all he did. They said recently he lost a close match. He'd taken a couple of weeks off to recover, and that's when this happened. They said the week of the murder, he was supposed to have come back for training that week. he hadn't showed up and people were concerned.

McLaughlin said he was concerned about what the hell where he was. He never didn't show up for training. He said then the, then came the early morning call from detectives who asked McLaughlin to come down to the jail. And McLaughlin said he was scared and confused, not the Tommy I know. He said, for now, he said he's going to wait for justice. He said, I will wait until he has his day in court. Don't know what happened.

So we don't know if he went off his meds. We don't know. We don't know. It's really given the benefit of the doubt, though, right? He's charged with murder. Murder, yeah, that's a lot. Murder's a lot here. So, yeah, they're talking about, you know,

his different people are shocked by this and saying that, he said that, listen, Jim McLaughlin says he's innocent until proven guilty, but then he adds, but it doesn't look good, which is great. Well, it ain't looking good. No. I do live in reality, and this isn't good at all here.

I want to be a pal, but he's making it hard. Yeah, and this is mere weeks after the March 30th, 1997, fighting helps England stay away from troubles here. That just happened, that report, that newspaper article. That's crazy. They said it helped him. The sport helped him leave behind a history of arrest, starting when he was a teenager,

helped him forget his broken home. Oh, I don't know how you'd forget that. Anyway, they said in lieu of family, yeah, he had friends in his corner. He had McLaughlin. He had the world class featherweight David Santos. He had Jill Hussung, the youth counselor. He had all these people. And it didn't seem to help here.

They said, we gave him two weeks off. And when he was supposed to come back into the gym, he didn't show up. I'd run him down, but he'd blow me off. I'm just shocked. Tommy was like a kid of mine. I went to see him when he was being interrogated, and I told him I feel like someone just pulled my guts out. Heavyweight Mike Middleton, who also trains at the gym, worked the corner for Eagland worked the corner for Middleton's last fight.

And he said, he was just starting to make a debt in the boxing world. He's 22 years old. Think about that. So that's what's going on there. January 15th, 1999, Tommy Eagland, who can't be reached for comedy. obviously. His court-appointed attorney said, I have a client who's fighting for his life.

I guess so. Yeah? Because this is January 15th, 1999, and he has been in jail since last February, since February 98. So, yeah. His original trial was set for January 26th, but they were granted a continuance,

which is obviously his dad is still in prison as well. So this is not great here at all. Eaglin, his friends in the boxing community, say holds out hope for a reduction of charges to manslaughter via self-defense. That's what he said, told his friends he's hoping for. He's like, I did it, but I was in a fight with the guy and that's what happened. He's like, I didn't, you know, he's like, I didn't like see this guy. and be like, I'm going to go stab this guy to death.

Like, we got in a tussle. And that's what happened. That's going to be his court defense, though. That's it. Yeah, self-defense. He goes, hopefully the prosecutors will lower it, and then maybe I can get out of here at some point here. His lawyer said that he wouldn't comment except to say a reduction is, quote,

always possible. It's always possible. I mean, anything's possible. They said, we're in the process of taking depositions. Maybe you can talk to Tommy a little later, but not right now. They tell the Tampa Tribune. January 7th, 2001 now. So we're going to jump ahead.

Still no trial. Pending murder trial has St. Pete Boxer on the ropes, is the headline from Tampa. They said, sleep does not come easily for the boxer, perhaps because his troubled world, his troubled world darkness is a constant. In the silence of a jail cell, the mind takes him to place as the body can't. He's a kid growing up in southern Indiana, playing basketball. at a neighbor's rusting backyard hoop. He's a teenager smelling the perfumed hair of a high school sweetheart.

He's a prize fighter, a St. Petersburg welterweight with a fervent following, a state championship belt and a growing national reputation. A quote, Rocky Marchiano type. There you go. And they said so.

There he is. And potential world titleist, according to his trainer. What trainer wouldn't say that? Nah, my guy's a bum. He ain't going to do anything. Don't worry about it. to the state he's Dwight Thomas Eaglin accused of murder.

To those who know him, he's Tommy, a 25-year-old with baby-faced looks and a powerful gloved and powerful gloved hands. Police say those hands are more lethal than anyone imagined. So they go on to say that Nichols' body, it's a lot more, okay? Nichols was found face down in his own blood in the parking lot. his body had been dragged several yards. Oh my God. By the Gio tracker.

Oh, what? He ran him over? He dragged him apparently, too. Fingerprints found in the tracker matched Eaglin, who was arrested 10 days later. That's how they found him. Fingerprints on the goddamn car, or else they would have never known who did this. That's insane. So he ran from the scene, meaning he knows it's not.

He knows what he did. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's going to be tough to prove, to use self-defense as a, if you're running away after running the man over. Yep. And in an interview since his arrest, Eaglin has said he remembers the start of a fight,

but not the finish. He blamed his hazy memory on, this is three weeks. So this is exactly from his last fight forward before this. A three-week cocaine binge after that. Cocaine and alcohol binge. So he, end of that. That fight, he had a, he binged and that's why he didn't go back to training because he was still in the middle of it.

That's why he was still in the middle of his binge. And Prozac also that prefaced the incident. I don't know how cocaine and alcohol react with Prozac. I have no idea if it does at all. I mean, it's just something that he, alcohol is not good for it. I'll tell you that. Yeah, I'm not sure. So Eagland said he does remember that a man approached him, grabbed a chain he wore around his neck.

See, the junkyard dog? Who the fuck was here? who wears a chain around their neck like to grab just a it may just be a oh the guy grabbed the chain

from Eagland's neck from his yeah the way this is written I thought the man approached him then the man removed a chain from his own neck which would be like a big chain he's going to beat you with not that this makes way more sense

okay it's his weapon of choice he wears it around his neck yeah so the guy tried to rip his chain off of him and there was a struggle. He said, I remember tussling, which is what OJ says about his fights with Nicole,

by the way. This is a tussle. Getting up, getting in the tracker, and leaving. I didn't stop to see what had happened. I got back home

until my girlfriend I'd gotten into a fight. The next morning, I told her the fight was no big deal. Then she said, well, the guy's dead. Oh, not that big of a deal, huh?

Well, he's... That is where it is, and we will end this with the... The assistant state's attorney said the state will seek the death penalty. This is very sad, very tragic. Holy shit. And he is represented by a public defender.

This is not going to go good. No. An attorney said his office is out to save Eagland's life, but not to claim innocence. He said, this is not going to be a who done it. Tommy will accept responsibility for this. Eagland has pondered that responsibility for more than three years with few diversions. An hour of recreation daily, usually basketball, phone calls, and the county's version of visitation, a closed circuit video system. So there we go.

We'll end it right there, I think. That's a good place to stop. For now, because this fucking story's crazy. We have really been telling something on this one. This is a great story, and I can't wait to get back to this shit. So anyway, there we go. We'll leave off with Eagland in jail, in prison, or in jail awaiting trial, and with the death penalty up in his grill. Ugly.

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