Crime in Sports - On Top Of Creep Mountain - Charles Barrett

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

This week, we look at an absolutely horrible human being, who competed in a sport that we've never talked about! Rock climbing! He was an idol of other climbers, as he made his own routes up mountains..., and published several books about climbing. But under the surface, there was a violent sexual predator. He beat women, then threatened them if they dared report it. He sexually attacked women, and stalked them into hiding. He may have even assaulted dozens more, while climbing. Did he get what he deserved??   Compete in a sport, where getting stoned before participating in it seems standard, turn into a different, violent person, with just a pause, and be the menace of an entire region's women with Charles Barrett!!   Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:00:12 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to crime and sports. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigal. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us again on another absolutely insane edition of Crime and Sports.
Starting point is 00:00:39 We are going to visit a sport that we've never talked about this week. Oh. Because the guy is just such an asshole that it doesn't matter. We're going to dive into some weird. It's strange because you think of a sport and you think there's got to be a score or like, you know, I've defeated you. You're unconscious. There's a winner and a loser. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Whereas this is a very, this sport, we'll get into it. I don't understand how the rulings work because it seems like there'd be a lot of ties, but we'll talk about it. Okay. First of all, though, shut up and give me murder.com. Head over there and get your tickets for small town murder shows for the rest of the year. Oh, yeah. the exclusive one single, Your Stupid Opinion Show in Phoenix on March 21st at Stand Up Live.
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Starting point is 00:02:49 Your stupid opinions and both small town murders all add free with your Patreon. And you get a shout out at the end of the show. It's all we can give to you. It's all we have before we'd open up our veins and just let it flow. So that said, let's talk about this guy because man, is he an asshole? Okay. I love an episode where it's weird because sometimes we get episodes where it's like, oh, we kind of like the person or, you know, they had bad circumstances.
Starting point is 00:03:14 and what they did really only hurt themselves. And you know what I mean? We have those. So we kind of make fun of them. But we're like, ah, man, wish you wouldn't have gone that direction. This guy, you just wish that what he does would kill him. It's one of those times. He's just such an asshole.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Charles Barrett is who we're going to talk about. R. Double R.T. Okay. Barrett. Not Jeff Jarrett, Charles Barrett. So this guy here, oh, my goodness. He's got aliases.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Now, this is from Bin Verified, which is kind of. in the background check website. And some of their aliases are kind of on things they've used in legal proceedings or, you know, whatever. And some of them are not. Swing and a mess. He's got a bunch. He's got Charlie Mnigoroid, Charles J. Barrett, which isn't a real good alias when your name is Charles Barrett. Charlie J. Barrett, which that'll fool him.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Nobody'll know. Yeah. How would they know? You might as well put like a very, like a G-string across your eyes as a lone ranger mask and go, I'm Robin Banks. And then Charles Minigarode. So not too creative. His father's name is Ron.
Starting point is 00:04:20 We know that. Did we talk about what sporty plays? Oh, we're going to get to it. Oh, okay. It's coming on. It's coming on. I'm on the edge of my seat. I wouldn't call it playing, really.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Okay. It's risking your life in a strange way. I don't know if it's playing. His father's name is Ron Barrett. He's born March of 1984 in Santa Rosa, California. All right. There's that. Okay, he's a rock climber.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Oh, is that a sport? This is a competitive sport where people make money because they have events and like, I'm sure ever since there was a No Fear T-shirt, someone's been sponsoring these fucking things. You know what I mean? Red Bull, yeah. You know it. Yeah, because no fear's not still in business, right? Good God, I hope not. Is it not?
Starting point is 00:05:04 I hope it is. I'm sure it is because. It is. It's probably back in business. We haven't run out of douchebags. And now being a douchebag is like a trendy thing. You know what I mean? Like, look at me.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Remember how shitty this was? I'm doing it again. You're not going to believe it, James. You are going to believe it. It's out. I know. Oh, it's super out. I knew it.
Starting point is 00:05:24 I knew it. You know what? There is a whole crop of douchebags, though, that no fear would just fit perfectly with. You didn't have enough of them in the 90s. Now they're abundant. But I don't think that it is no fear, but it's super different now. Is it? They do no fear.
Starting point is 00:05:40 sport, James, like polo. Oh, my God. No fear polo? Your face. Polo. Being just insulted. Get up on that horse. No fear.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Like a 19th century Englishman. You know, the bravest people ever. No fear. Yeah, it super exists. And remember bad boy clothing? Was that owned by them? It was the same douche cabal. wealth was owned by them, but there was those and then there was...
Starting point is 00:06:13 I mean, what they sell now is not the same as what it used to be. Is that the 90s version of rude dog from the 80s? Is that what that is? You remember that? Early 90s, 80s, that crap. Jimmy's... Jimmy's... That was like a surf brand, though.
Starting point is 00:06:29 That was like Stozy or Massimo or that kind of crap. Yeah, that kind of shit. That was cool shit. In Arizona, yeah. In New York, people were like, what was the one that had the... Is that big dog clothes? Or it was like, if you can't run with the, with the big dogs, keep your ass on the porch? I think it was that.
Starting point is 00:06:48 But that's the type of shit that no fear had. The Big Johnson shit. Yeah, Big Johnson. No fear was like, if the dick doesn't fit, it only means you're not trying hard enough or whatever. Whatever it was. Throw more hip. Yeah. Just means more loob.
Starting point is 00:07:03 You got to lean into it. Put some axle grease on it. It'll be fine. Yeah, the new stuff sucks. Well, the old stuff sucks, so that's not shocking. It extra sucks now. It's real bad now. All right, so this
Starting point is 00:07:19 No Fear Wearing asshole, I'm sure he wore it at some point, began climbing when he was a teenager. So he's not even like he was like three years old and they lived in front of a mountain and he just climbed it like as a teenager. Any sport that you can just pick up as a teenager and then be a pro at, unless you're like Akima Olajuwon
Starting point is 00:07:38 or somebody who's like seven foot too when they said, hey, you could play basketball. Okay, that'd be different. But otherwise, it feels like you should be able to have to play a sport longer than that. His father bought him a membership at Vertex, which was a local climbing gym when he was 14, and he got real into it. He was also, his father, Ron, says he was a great golfer. He was also good at baseball and basketball.
Starting point is 00:08:04 The kid's a natural athlete. Sure he is. Natural athlete. His parents divorced when he was 14th. which is why his father was taking him to climbing gyms and buying a membership. It's like when I was divorced and took my kids to trampoline parks. Yeah, exactly. It's like, what am I supposed to do with these kids?
Starting point is 00:08:20 Yeah. What are I supposed to do with these kids on this weekend? Yeah. I don't know what to do. So Ron lived in Santa Rosa, which was near there, and Charles and his brother and sister lived with their mother. So another climber from California who also lives in Santa Rosa named Chris Summit said he met Barrett. said he met Barrett around 2000. So he would have been 16-ish at that time, Charles.
Starting point is 00:08:44 And he said that at the time, Chris Summitt, he's a climber named Summit. Pretty dope. Yeah. It was built in. It's what I mean. Like, how do you, that's the greatest fucking name in the world for a climber. Chris Summit.
Starting point is 00:09:00 It's like, Terrell Davis being named TD is pretty fucking bad ass. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's not bad. But imagine if his name was touchdown, that'd be even better. Yeah, touchdown Davis That'd be great Touchdown Not even Davis
Starting point is 00:09:12 That was his last name was down His name is touchdown Yeah rushing yards is his name Yards per carry That's his full name So he said at the time That Chris Summit and his buddies Were at Vertex
Starting point is 00:09:24 He was sitting in Summit's car In the parking lot smoking a joint Which Okay this is the other thing The things that this asshole does Are so not like Chill laid back things No
Starting point is 00:09:36 He doesn't like get busted importing 700 pounds of weed or something. I'd let that slide. You know what I mean? I'd be like, hey, he's a fucking rock climber. What do you want? Sure. A surfer is the only more stone sport that I could think of.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Yeah. Because when I think of a rock climber, I think of like a laid-back dude who'd be smoking a joint. I think of Dan Cortez and Seinfeld. You know what I mean? You want to climb a rock maniana? Like, I think of that guy. Not an aggressive asshole. So this guy's smoking a joint.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Summit says, all of a sudden, Charlie is knocking on the window, asking if he can smoke with us. Hey. Oh, what's you doing in there? Hey, guys. Can I smoke too? The funny part is when they knocked, everyone went, oh, Jesus Christ, and drag probably. Hide it.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Eat it. You're hot boxing cars full of smoke. Yeah. So this guy says, Charlie's not going to ask him if he can smoke with us. And I said, no, you're just a kid. But Charlie said he smoked all the time and he convinced us to let him in the car. He just, no, no, I'm stoned right now. I just want to get higher.
Starting point is 00:10:36 She just horns it on somebody else's weed session here. That's great, though. He's like, no, no, no, I'm a pro. Don't worry about it. So according to Summit, he was about 16, Charlie, Charles at the time, and had recently dropped out of high school. There you go. Working it out.
Starting point is 00:10:51 He was spending his days at the climbing gym. It's all he did. He had a membership, so he just kept going. Where I go to hike, there's rocks out there. People do this shit all the time in, like, their spirit. These rocks out there have like eye holes drilled in them for people to climb the rocks. They free climb it and then they have ropes too. People love that.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I remember I knew a girl back in the day in 2002 in Arizona who was like her goal was to open a climbing gym. That's all she was. That was it. She had like business models and plus she was a college graduate and had all this shit and she was going for like loans. Yeah. Nothing like setting your goals attainable. Yeah, I guess. I was like what do you need like a wall?
Starting point is 00:11:33 What do you need? A bank climbing? easy. Yeah, you need like a wall and some plastic things to stick out of it pretty much is all you really need and some rope.
Starting point is 00:11:40 You need about 10 grand, babe. That's easy. And a fuckload of insurance. Just a ass load of insurance. A sick insurance policy and about 10 grand. So much insurance. So he said though,
Starting point is 00:11:53 and Summit said he was about 10 years old or he's in his mid-20s and he said he was really impressed with Charles. He said he could just glide up the wall without any prior experience or training. And he's stone too. So he had that in to be more impressive.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Just trying to get higher. Not bad. So Summit and his friends brought Charles into their group and introduced him to popular climbing areas all over northern California. And Charles, this was like what he needed. I guess Charles had told Summit that he'd been in a lot of fights in high school because it was full of gangbangers. All right. Bad kids. So after divorcing with Charles' father, the mother had a hard time, I guess, three kids and they don't have a lot of money and shit like that.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Summit, again, says the best thing Charlie could have done during that time was to get stoned and go rock climbing with us. Yeah. Yeah, it's all worked out great for him. He said, he became one of my best friends. So that's pretty impressive. It's 26, 16. That's weird. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:56 When I was 26, I wasn't friends. friends with any 16-year-olds at all. And any 16-year-old that smokes weed, I don't want that kid around me. He probably does way worse shit. And I'm going to get in trouble. I've got a mortgage. Yeah. Well, I was 16 smoking weed.
Starting point is 00:13:10 And nobody was bringing me in their house either. You know what I mean? No. I don't want it because they got mortgages, James. They got mortgages. They have shit that they need to worry about. Another member of the group who was part of the circle remembers that while Charlie showed that he was a really good climber, He said he also seemed to be a little fucking nuts at the time.
Starting point is 00:13:28 Oh, well, in some mental health issues and was getting treatment for it. According to this guy, when Charles first showed up at Vertex, he'd been recently released from a residential psychiatric facility for adolescents in San Francisco. And he recalls Charles saying that he had been told that he has bipolar disorder and depression. Oh. So that's how that goes. He said he was in denial about the severity of his mental health issues. He also said the medication made him feel too loopy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:59 So he said he medicated with a ton of alcohol. And that's what he did. Now, the other thing, a lot of bipolar people don't like taking medication because they like the manic. Because manic feels great. Even though you're all over the place, you feel terrific. So they don't like losing the manic. And it's not just that. Sometimes it just makes you feel like not you.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Well, yeah, that too. That's not a medication. Yeah. Some people that are, that are, when the medication makes them, not them, they're like, oh, this is much better. I'm not that. Exactly. But if it's your baseline to be that, sometimes that shit is, sometimes it's different. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Like, I hate it. I've known people that say they have to like, it's worth slogging through the depressions to get to the manic. They like that. You know what I mean? So it's worth to them slogging through it. They're going to just move. phone and made a funny noise. Check it out. Nice job. That's good. What is that noise?
Starting point is 00:14:59 That's just your phone? It's my phone case. Making fart noises on my desk. We've hit the highbrow heat of crime and sports where I just made... You got sound effects with the phone. Jim Schitz's fans. I was fascinated about fart noises coming from my phone. That's great. That wasn't me, by the way. It's going to be a new segment in the show. No, that wasn't Jimmy. I could vouch for him.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Yeah, that's a new segment in the show where I just say, hey, it's fart time, Fart Noise Corner with James' phone case, and then we're just going to do that a bunch. And I'll shift in this leather chair. Yeah, we'll do that too. So once Charles got into the sport, though, he just wanted to get into real rocks instead of the gym. So he got jobs in Yosemite cleaning cabins. Just so he could climb the rocks? So he could climb the rocks.
Starting point is 00:15:45 And like flipping burgers at some grill so he could just do as much as he could there, basically. Here's a guy named James Lucas, who was a climber and a guidebook author, who said he got to know Charles when they worked together in Yosemite. He said, we were all in our early 20s drinking a lot and smoking weed. That's the rock climbers, I know. Not bad. Yeah. That's pretty good. He said Charlie was super outgoing with a charismatic personality.
Starting point is 00:16:10 He was very flirtatious with women, but he was also a little mean. There's some foreshadowing. Mende women. Little mean at the same time. By the way, this, I'm going to say it now, Grace, number one. Yeah, he's... He's drinking, smoking weed and just climbing rocks all day. That's that's the life right there.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Yeah. But this really sounds like surfing. It's a lifestyle. It's not just something you can do sometimes. It's a lifestyle. And to live it, you have to live near the beach or near the rocks. And you're, you can't have a really, like your career can't be one where you, where you can't say fucking waves coming in today. So I won't be until noon.
Starting point is 00:16:48 You know what I mean? Right. Because that's what the surfers do. They'll drop everything because there's a wave coming in. Yeah, the swells coming up. Yeah, the swells comes. I think it's the same thing with rock climbing, it sounds like. Yeah, the rocks are growing today.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Always there, yeah. The rocks are pulsing, man. So what the fuck is professional rock climbing? Yeah, where's that league? Let's talk about that, all right? Because I didn't know this was like a profession. Yeah, the PRCA is professional rodeo cowboys. It's not the-
Starting point is 00:17:21 That's ridiculous. So it's climbers treat climbing as their primary profession or career, earning a living doing it. That's a professional rock climber. But they don't have like a league, like a, there's no NFL for rock climbing. There's certain. No. They don't have a lot of big salaries or anything like that. So it's kind of hard to make a living off of this, but you kind of have to do it constantly.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Yeah. So it's hard. Yeah. So there's competition. climbers that are organized, they have organized events under bodies like the International Federation of Sport Climbing, which runs World Cups in bouldering, lead, and speed disciplines, which and Olympic format since 2021. Bouldering. Bouldering. I guess what you would do is if everyone's going to get to the top, it'd be who gets there the fastest, I assume, would be.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah, I mean, that's the only, that's the only thing you've got, unless you've got, uh, most creative way. I mean, even the guy back flipped up him. That's, that guy wins. Man, you see that? Holy shit. He climbed it with his feet. I mean, you win, right?
Starting point is 00:18:33 I guess you'd have to. So there's top competitors earn prize money, national team support, and sponsorships from brands like. And here we go. These are the North Face. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Patagonia.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Yeah. That makes sense. Black diamond. Oh, okay. They're the... Ski shit. Yeah, it's outdoorsy shit. Skis shit.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Skis shit. Yeah. Las Sportiva. I guess they're the same. There's a few climbers here. They're sponsored outdoor climbers as well. Oh. So I guess they focus on nowadays, though,
Starting point is 00:19:08 climbing a building is what gets you attention. You have to climb a fucking... Well, it gets you a Netflix special. That's what I mean. It gets you a Netflix special. It gets you like all the attention in the world for Christ. But the thing with that, James, is that you don't get to have a rope. Did he do, he freethives that, right?
Starting point is 00:19:22 He just climbed it like a monkey. That shit was crazy. People get arrested for that usually. Yeah, no, he set it up. That guy got paid. That guy got paid. Yeah. Because, I mean, that's one where you can't get away with that one.
Starting point is 00:19:34 They just wait for you at the top. Like, yeah. At the top or the bottom or the bottom or really anywhere in between. Just grab you as you come by or you can do anything there. Yeah. So, yeah, there's a social media content. They can be, have social media careers where they can get to make a few bucks. They do a lot, all of them write guidebooks and shit like that too.
Starting point is 00:19:54 They brand ambassadorships for, you know, a picture of a guy for North Face. He's hanging off a rock. Yeah. North Face. And he gets some money for that. So. Anti-arthritis people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Oh, Advil. Like, you know. My hands would hurt so bad. Oh, that'd be a fucking nightmare. I can't paint a fucking door without two weeks of my hand not being able to open. Try chopping wood. Oh, God damn it. Do that once or twice.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Man, that sucks, I'll tell you. The shoulder would be a nightmare. Oh, dude, your neck and shoulder when you, the first couple times, you're like, oh, I haven't, I don't think I've done that. Yeah. So I guess they do also rock-related jobs, like they do guiding. They guide people or instructors. They work at climbing gyms, which this isn't glamorous work here. You're not a famous pro athlete at this point if you're working at a fucking gym in a strip mall because that's where all these gyms are next to the
Starting point is 00:20:49 trampoline place. Yeah. It's inside it. You can either jump or you can climb. Yeah, yeah. Either one. Content creation now has become a big way for them to make a few bucks because it's cool looking to be up there and all that kind of shit.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And with the attention span, it doesn't take, I mean, you can film a video of you climbing a giant fucking rock face that took you, I don't know how goddamn long, but you can trim it into no time at all. Speed it up. Then you look like you're flying up the mountain. Oh, yeah. You're like in twilight. they ran up the hill there.
Starting point is 00:21:21 So, you know, amateurs obviously don't make money or they have a full-time job, but professionals actually do everything. They dedicate their profession and their professional life to rock climbing. So apparently this wasn't really a thing you could do to like the 80s or 90s
Starting point is 00:21:39 when douchebag t-shirts became a staple here. So now they have Olympic inclusion. There's goddamn Olympics. Olympic events. I don't understand how that works, but so here's an article from 23. It says four things to know before watching professional climbing.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Four things to know before watching. Watching. Not before doing. Number one, you're really bored. That's one thing you need to know. You bet. Yeah. Number two, there are other things on TV or on streaming somewhere. You can probably switch between things. You could probably find something else. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:18 Number three, you might be too high. How many mushrooms have you had? That's another. Why are you here? Why are you watching this right now? And number four, the people on TV are the only people as high as you here that you're watching. Right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:33 They're on more mushrooms coming up the mountain. No, number one, there's different competition series, like we talked about, the IFSW, the Olympics, and that kind of shit. there's USA climbing, which is the governing body of organized climbing competitions from youth all the way up to the elite Olympic level here. I guess they have like, you know, national championships now to see the most of the Olympic team. USA climbing has partnered with climbing Escalade Canada to host the North American Cup series. So this is like a thing. Sure enough. All right.
Starting point is 00:23:11 How is bouldering scored? The bigger the boulder, I imagine? I am fascinated to find out how bouldering is scored here. It's got to be more than just the size, though, right? Well, I guess. In each round of bouldering competition, the climbers must attempt to a circuit of four boulder problems. Every boulder's a problem to me.
Starting point is 00:23:33 I don't know. For each, they have five minutes to try and complete the climb. They aim to reach the top level conveniently labeled top. Okay. In the fewest it's possible. You don't want to be a bottom in this sport. This is one's, you definitely don't want to be a bottom. If your sport has arrows guiding you the way, it's not a sport.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Not a sport. No. The judge's base points on the number of tries and maximum height a climber reaches. Okay. However, there's only three heights that receive a score. If the competitor passes one scoring point but doesn't reach the next, the judge only awards the climb or the lower score. Instead of numerical marks, the maximum height climbed is marked by the start hold, a zone hold,
Starting point is 00:24:21 approximately halfway through the climb and the top hold. This makes no fucking sense. It should go from your bottom hold. It should go where your foot made it to. How did they even make explaining this shit complicated? Who gets to the top of that shit? That's it. Well, it depends because your start hold is going to be much higher than my start hold.
Starting point is 00:24:41 I guess, yeah, I guess. Just based on fucking height and reach. Yeah, yeah. This is crazy. So where you get to, if I get to where you got to, I win. Yeah, because it's where your top hand gets to, but it's only the distance between that and your start hand. Gotcha. So if they reach the zone hold, a Z denotes their progress on the score sheet and the number of attempts it took.
Starting point is 00:25:08 or they get to the top, a T indicates their competition of the completion of the climb. The judge has also recorded the number of tries to finish the boulder. A climber who does not make it to the zone hold only has their number of attempts marked down with no accompanying letter. This is not exactly a... That's very complicated. It's 12.10. It's not exactly that. You know what I mean? It's 2120 right now.
Starting point is 00:25:36 We're not getting that. lead climbing is scored differently. Each round of climbing only has one lead route. The climbers have six minutes to climb as high as possible. Like boulders, they are on the wall markings. There are on the wall markings for start and finish holds. Unlike bouldering, the climbers only have one attempt. If they fall, the belayers immediately lower them to the ground ending their turn.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Well, you don't plummet to your death. That would be the ultimate penalty. Yeah, so they're roped up there and then they help you get down. You just fall down. You go, I'm done. How strong are these climbers? The last thing to know when watching professional climbing is that while these climbers may make the climbs look easy, they aren't. What idiot sees someone hanging off a rock and go, that looks pretty fucking easy?
Starting point is 00:26:22 And before you watch this, I need you to know they're strong. They're strong. Yeah. You couldn't do what they're doing. I know. Thank you for telling me. I don't want to. When I see that, I go, this looks terrifying.
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Starting point is 00:31:30 Imagine if they made like a harder hoop to get the ball in every function. Right. Once in a while, that's kind of how it is. Now, everybody, this article says, with your new knowledge and understanding of professional climbing, tune into a competition. You're guaranteed to be blown away by the strength and grace on display. Right. That's right. I should have put grace right there.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Grace. Okay. Let's see here. September 2004. He's 20. He's partying, drinking, smoking weed. He's arrested. And this is not not.
Starting point is 00:32:02 This is not surprising. He's arrested by Yosemite law enforcement rangers and charged with a misdemeanor DUI, which he's a 20-year-old rock climber. I mean. In Yosemite? I don't know that I would be sober there. That would be so much fun. To be expected here. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:32:21 According to a federal report, Barrett retaliated against one of the Rangers a few days after the incident by slashing the tires on his car. Now we're in crazy, man. This is take your misdemeanor. DUI and move on. What are you mad at him for? For writing it? He didn't have to. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:39 He could have been a gent about it. He also made verbal threats against the female rangers immediately following the arrest, because that's what a man does. Yeah. I mean, it's what you want to do. It shows you're tough. On the way to the holding station, he said, quote, you're not safe. I'm going to hurt you.
Starting point is 00:32:58 And then said to one of the cops about the other one, she's going to die. Charlie. Charles. What are you doing? Jesus. These actions led to a federal indictment charging Barrett with five felony counts. He took a misdemeanor DUI. Turned it into way worse. He took, this isn't even a felony like Arizona type shit. This is probably a $500 fine. Right. And he turned this into a five count felony federal indictment. And what is it about DUI? Like, what kind of DUI is this? Because drunk, you usually don't do that, right? Well, unless you're Randy Travis. Well, yeah, a lot of drunks are mean.
Starting point is 00:33:41 What are we talking about? Yeah, Randy Travis threatened a cop. He told them he was fine as a dandy. Ask Mel Gibson what it's like when you're drunk and you get pulled over. Jesus Christ. Yeah, don't call them sugar tits, man. They don't like that. No, they hate that.
Starting point is 00:33:57 The men most. Oh, Christ. So, yeah, this guy, he fucked it all up, man. Witness retaliation, impeding slash intimidating a federal officer, vandalism, etc. He fucked it all up. He got a plea deal somehow that allows him, I guess, because he doesn't have a real record at this point, to plead guilty to a single misdemeanor vandalism charge out of all that. He threatened to kill federal Rangers. But the DUI is sticking.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah, that's... Now we're talking about all the extra shit. This is the extra shit. He served six months in prison for this. Who, we. And was banned from Yosemite for three years. Oh, that's the problem. That's tough for him.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Yeah. Now, not exactly sure when the next thing happened here. I guess there was... He gets in trouble again in California here. I'm not exactly sure why, because guess what, rock climbers aren't the most famous people in the world. It's hard to, it's hard to posture the, do you know who I am, car. Exactly, where it would make the press that much.
Starting point is 00:35:11 I guess there was a few different publications that mentioned the sentence that he got, saying that he had evidence of a long history of issues. So we're not sure, exactly. But he got in trouble again after that, we believe. Uh-oh. When he got in trouble in Yosemite in 2004, they said that his friends said that it didn't occur to them that his behavior signaled deeper problems. Okay. You know, they said, yeah, he's a little crazy.
Starting point is 00:35:42 He's a rock climber. That's what they all are. They get drunk. They do stupid shit. The guy's hanging off the side of a boulder. What do you expect? And back then, too, you got to think 2004, they said this was kind of like rebel image type stuff. Like, yeah, he's told him to go fuck themselves.
Starting point is 00:35:57 and slash the tire, you know, whatever. Next you're going to tell me, Bam Margera and Steve, don't have it all together. Yeah. Tell me they might not be the most convenient people to arrest either. So, yeah, so that nobody really, and he had his own version of the events and they made it up and I said this and blah, blah, blah, blah. So he said that the rangers, I guess the climbers and the rangers don't get along anyway.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Yeah. This is like a, yeah, they're the greasers and the sosha's here. Sure. Yeah. It's not working out. I guess they said, he said that the Rangers were conspiring to accuse him of something he didn't do. And a lot of the climbing people said, that sounds about right. His one friend said, Charlie's the kind of guy where you just really want to believe him.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Yeah. Yeah. That sounds about, that's good. Now, a lot of this stuff, by the way, comes from, a lot of the in-depth reporting comes from a reporter named Annette McGivney. and via climbing.com, which is a thing. Stop it. So Charlie gets a girlfriend in 2005. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:37:07 And her name is... Met her on the message boards of climbing.com? I think she was on top of the mountain, just hanging out. Yeah, climbed up to her. He just climbed on up to her. It's like, wow, how'd you make it up here? Big turn on. So her name is Bonnie Headland, H-E-D-L-U-N-D.
Starting point is 00:37:23 and it's like a whirlwind romance. Sure. She would come home from work to find her driveway covered in rose petals. Her whole driveway? I mean, what if the wind blows, man? Your neighbors are going to be pissed. You could set that up for like an hour and one gust could ruin it. And it puts it in your fucking neighbor's courtyard right in front of their front door
Starting point is 00:37:48 because that's where the wind swirls. It's going to go right there. damn time. I don't have a Bogan Via within three blocks on my house, but I got 10 pounds of that shit in front of my door. And in your garage door crack thing too there. Yeah. Flower
Starting point is 00:38:03 pedals travel, babe. Wow. So, yeah, where your neighbor's landscaper comes by. No, no. You son of a bitch. Now you're going to have to landscape my yard for freezes. Can you blow those fucking pedals back into my driveway over here? So, yeah,
Starting point is 00:38:19 they would be, you know, he would place there. Love notes. He'd hang from trees with messages like keep going, beautiful girl. Yeah. He'd put notes inside her cabin which I guess she lived like in the forest near the Truckee River.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Breaking and entering. The Truckee. The Truckee River which all you think of is Reno 911 the Truckee River killer. I'll never not. That's all I can think of. Well yeah, you know that character is so great.
Starting point is 00:38:51 It's so fucking funny. He's just, well, me, I mean, you know, I feel lots of people. So, Barry. Kyle, what's his name? Kyle, what? Kyle, fucking is Kyle. He's so good, though, that actor. It's so great.
Starting point is 00:39:08 So Charles would set up romantic, like thing, like a romantic dinner set up on the porch for two with the candles and table and chair and do all this type of shit. And a mattress too, he put out there Because we're gonna be fucking When we're done eating Oh, you bet And because it's 2005 He made CD mixes for her Nice
Starting point is 00:39:30 Burned her off some CDs And he wrote He wrote poems on like Fancy Paper He'd get like fancy stationary And write poems And all this type of shit She was 33 years old
Starting point is 00:39:45 At the time And he's 21 Adoboy 21, so that's interesting. He's going to compete with 33-year-olds for her heart. That's why he's got to do all this crazy shit. No 33-year-old has time to do any of that shit. They've got to go to work in the morning.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Yeah, that's what I mean. That's why he's competing. That's how he's competing. That guy will call 1-800 flowers and send it to her office, but he's not going to cover her fucking driveway. He's busy. This guy, his job is to get stoned and climb up a mountain, basically. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:13 He had a 33-year-old that does that shit as a stalker, a 21-year-old that does it as an adorable puppy lover. Oh, fuck. Yeah. You don't feel threatened by someone that much younger than you probably. 33-year-olds, the Truckee River killer, Kyle Dunnigan. There you go. That's his name.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Thank you. Well, good look. When she was introduced to him by a mutual friend, she said she never thought of dating him because, you know, he was 21 and she was 33. Yeah. But then she said he started randomly showing up at her cabin, which sounds terrifying. That's not good. That sounds really scary.
Starting point is 00:40:48 But she said that he was attractive and tall and handsome and had broad shoulders and a big smile and he was so attentive. And she said she just never had anyone pay attention to her that much before. He's big and imposing and it was so sweet. What? And he shows up at her remote cabin uninvited. Isn't that nice? That's attentive. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:10 That is scary. Yeah. So, and they would, they'd have all times of, times of, like, outside, they do all sorts of shit and, you know, picnics and, and climbing also. She said the climbing was phenomenal. We would do amazing climbs nearly every day. Wow. Well, she's going to age out of that pretty soon. He's going to have to.
Starting point is 00:41:33 No, shit. She's not doing this for. Not a 43. No. Definitely not a 50. I'll tell you that much. You're going to, that's going to sting a lot. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:41:42 You're going to use a lot of biofree. Not more than twice a year anyway. You're not doing this shit. So she was also a really good climber in Boulder. And she had been trying to like, she had like a bucket list of climbs she wanted to make here. It was kind of going down the different difficult routes on the east side of the Sierra Nevada's since the late 1980s, you know, when he was in kindergarten. and before the region became widely known for this because the sport wasn't as big back then.
Starting point is 00:42:16 So they would go with a bunch of people from Lake Tahoe that area and they did roots together all the time. Barrett ends up moving in with her and her dog, by the way. And she said it was some of the best times of my life until it wasn't. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. That's ominous. It is prime in sports, everybody.
Starting point is 00:42:37 We're not going to tell a love of. romance story of romance where in the end they walked down the aisle and they got married on top of a mountain you had to climb up there to be a part of the ceremony uh January 2006 headland says she and Charles went snowboarding yeah Jesus this is they're like what what extreme thing are we going to do today bra I don't know here pound the surge and give me some ideas what do you got I don't know man fucking jolt Cola. Well, they're like a mountain do commercial, these people. So when they got back to the cabin, apparently, they, I guess, snowboarded and had dinner
Starting point is 00:43:17 at a friend's house, they got back to the cabin and she said that he began acting strangely. Holding his head in his hands, he bent over the kitchen counter and stood motionless. So she thought that he was about to pass out, like something was wrong physically. So she asked, do you want to sit down? She said they'd never had a fight or serious argument. or anything. So this was, you know, she's just like, are you okay? She said, then she started to feel scared out of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:43:45 She said it was a weird. Weird, well, yeah, he's like a wolf. He's like fucking a werewolf here. Yeah. She said when he looked or when he stood up and looked at me, it was like he was a different person. He changed. His eyes were glazed over and he started walking toward me
Starting point is 00:44:00 chanting gibberish. What? Which those are, that, chanting anything would be scary, even if you understood it. Yeah. Don't walk at me chanting shit. And then any kind of gibberish, whether it's chanting or just saying it is scary too in this situation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:17 But chanting gibberish is a whole other level of some shit that I never heard of before. Then she said that Barrett said over and over, you are the prosecution and I am the defense. He said that? Pardon? Okay. What the fuck are you talking about? What is going on here? You're the prosecution.
Starting point is 00:44:39 I'm the defense. He backed her into a corner. She said so suddenly that she had no time to defend herself, he hit her on the side of the head with his fist and knocked her out. Oh, dang. Out of nowhere. Now, he's six foot tall, 165 pounds. She's 5'2, weighed a buck 12 at this point.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Nice. So he just obviously mismatch. Yeah, clearly. She said after about a minute, she came to and saw the cabin's front door was open and that he had left and apparently had taken her dog as well. Drelld her snatched the dog and ran out. Yeah. So she ran outside looking for him, who she said he had, it was about 75 feet from the cabin,
Starting point is 00:45:22 standing in the middle of a busy state highway that ran past the property, holding the dog by the collar. Oh, boy. Cars are swerving around and he's shouting at her that he'd been struggling to keep himself from hurting her. And now that he fucked up and hurt her,
Starting point is 00:45:39 now he's going to kill himself, he said. Oh, boy. So that's what I'm doing. I'm out here. And she said the exact right thing that people would say
Starting point is 00:45:47 in this situation, I don't care what you do. Give me my fucking dog back. Don't hurt my dog. Yeah. You want to off yourself, great. Knock yourself out.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Especially after you just punched me. I don't care what the fuck you do, but don't involve my dog in this. Jump in front of a truck, but give me my dog. Give me my goddamn dog. So he let the dog. the dog go, the dog ran, and luckily the dog got through without getting hit by a car.
Starting point is 00:46:12 So the dog ran, so she ran into the woods to get the dog, and he ran toward his truck and just stayed there. She said she stayed in the woods, just hunkered down in the woods until she saw that his truck was gone. She could see from a vantage point. She said, I don't know why, but I didn't call the cops. Really? She said, I had just never experienced anything like that before. She was just trying to figure out what happened, I think. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Which is, you know. But to, hmm, yeah. I call the cops. I don't know if she thought like he had a stroke or something. I don't know. Like, that's maybe she was so, like, it was so out of left field that she didn't even know. That's one of those things you, afterwards, you're like, did that happen? Like, what the fuck is going on?
Starting point is 00:46:59 My normal never showed a sign. They never even had an argument, she said before. That's unbelievable. And they didn't have an argument then either. He just, like, put his head down and then came up and was saying crazy shit and hit her. So, yeah. Does he have a tumor? Like, what are you thinking?
Starting point is 00:47:14 So anyway, in the weeks since the attack there, Headland with their friends, they said that started basically, apparently, this is weird. They could, because it was the first time and basically like domestic violence experts saying that this is like kind of a kind of a. common response to a first abuse of somebody. Yeah. Especially if it's at a left field. You save it and talk about, you handle it in-house. Yeah. If they've been like from the first week you went out, they've been punching holes and
Starting point is 00:47:48 walls and shit and it's not a surprise. It's different. But this out of left field shit, basically they started giving her and her friends started giving him the benefit of the doubt that something was wrong with him or something and they showed him compassion. But yeah, cops tend to get pretty upset with it when you call them and then And they show up and they're like, this is the fourth time? What do you talk?
Starting point is 00:48:08 We've never even heard of one of these. Yeah. How is that? Yeah. Because that would be great if we had reports of this. Yeah. It would be a lot bigger charge here. So apparently, she said during the previous months, he'd made vague references to, quote,
Starting point is 00:48:21 false accusations and legal troubles in Yosemite National Park. But after assaulting her, Charles told her that the possibility of doing time had been weighing on him. And it caused him to snap that. night. He could have brought it up and talked to her maybe. That would also be. I bet she would have tried to make you feel better at least. I'm sure of it. Yeah. So that was his, you know, his fighting with the cops and slashing tires and all that kind of thing here. So I guess as this happened, and this was all going on as the felony charges moved through the justice system. And he went to Tahoe where he started dating her and doing all that kind of shit here. So, um,
Starting point is 00:49:04 one of the guys here, Jake Daly, who's a climber, and he moved to Tahoe in 2006 and developed a relationship with Charles and Headland here. He said he remembers how impressive Charles Barrett was. He said Charlie polished off all the hardest climbs that existed in the Tahoe area, so he started establishing new routes and boulder problems with higher degrees of difficulty. So he's like, it was pretty wild. He said that everyone, all the area, people in the area that were like big into climbing and, you know, big in the climbing scene said, you know, he was like, whoa, they're blowing everybody away here. Sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:47 He said that while this guy said, while he admired Charles's drive, he was wary of his dark side. He said, sometimes while climbing, Charles would inexplicably break off from the rest of the group and isolate himself. Oh. And this guy said, I had no idea what was going on. It was something traumatic in his mind that made him internally preoccupied. He would rejoin us later and seem fine. Okay. So he has these little.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Yeah, these little spells where he's just, uh, yeah. Something's going on, right? Something's up in there. Well, if he's bipolar and he's not taking his medication, that's a big something. I mean, that's a problem, depending on the scale of it, because I mean, that's a, that's a, there's a big range in bipolarity. But sure. Depending on what it is, that could really be something that. But you go catatonic.
Starting point is 00:50:34 for a minute and start changing into another person. That's not good. That's weird. No, that's definitely weird. So she, Headland didn't know what to do here. She didn't let him move back in after the assault, but they tried to be supportive anyway of him and his legal troubles about the other shit and everything. She said he worked hard to win her back and would apologize constantly for hurting her. December of 2006 is when he accepted the plea deal from the U.S. attorney. And, you know, you know, Now, all the felony counts dismissed and six months and whatever. He could have spent years in prison, basically. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Yeah. No mention of the DUI in the deal at all. I think that was dismissed as well. So it's just the vandalism charge is all he got out of that. So he served time in the Taft Correctional Institution in Kern County, where he wrote headland all the time complaining about prison and wanting to be back together and all that kind of thing. he'd tell her that he longed to see her and make love to her and all that kind of shit. But he also wanted something else, too.
Starting point is 00:51:39 He writes, this is a guy writing from prison who's trying to get her back and he's talking about kinky shit he wants to do. Hell yeah. He told her, I'd like to be more rough, too. Yeah, that's not a hell. I don't like that at all. I was like, it's not your kind of guy. Easy now. Yeah, you got to let me finish a sentence before you start agreeing.
Starting point is 00:52:00 with people. I'd like to be more rough, too. That's the truth, he said. So after this guy knocked you out, I don't think... Yeah, how much rougher can you be apart from, you know what I mean? That's pretty rough. Next time he's going to jerk off on her after he knocks her unconscious, maybe. That's all I can imagine.
Starting point is 00:52:21 It's a very, it's a fine line. But also, like, writing and I understand that in jail, you probably get a little lonely. And you might want some saucy letters going back and forth. That might be fun. Yeah. Disclosing assault fantasy is a bit much. That seems like a lot. It's a far bridge.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Later on, federal investigators, about 15 years later after this, federal investigators were conducting interviews related to another thing that happens later. and this is a woman who had dated Barrett, and this is an unnamed woman in this document. They say he told her that she had to prove her love for him by agreeing to rough sex. That's proving it? That's proving it. She said, he liked tying me up and blindfolding me,
Starting point is 00:53:15 choking me, sometimes really hard. So that is what he's into. He's not like reluctantly choking you to make you come. He needs to, yeah. So he's released in all. August 2007, and they, I guess, Headland here, they said they had a guarded relationship. It was kind of awkward because they were in the same climbing community. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:38 And they were all having the same friends. They did the same shit. He told friends that he was trying to get his mental health challenges and drinking under control. That's good. But during that period, according to this article, he began sending Headland, what she calls manipulative messages. Oh, God. She said he would email me and beg me to see him and say he was going to kill himself.
Starting point is 00:54:00 She said he, so I would agree to meet him in a public place. I was always terrified, but I thought if I placated him, then he wouldn't go crazy and try to hurt me. Oh, boy. So October 2008, here we go. Headland had driven with her dog to do some bouldering in the buttermilks. according to a police report, which is, you know, this is leading somewhere. We're referencing that. She's camping in her truck, and one evening joined a group of climbers from Alabama who gathered around a campfire.
Starting point is 00:54:35 It was a nice night, and then Charles showed up, accompanied by another climber named Lonnie Koch, K-A-U-K. Caw is the son of a parent Yosemite legend Ron Cawke. Oh, I mean, I had posters of him on my wall, obviously. I know you did. Ron Cock. Ron Cock. Yeah. I guess this guy, Cock, had recently met Barrett and was looking forward to learning some shit about bouldering from him, which you haven't been doing.
Starting point is 00:55:06 This guy said, Cock, he was a talented climber, and he had the beta on the buttermilks. It was a great day. He gave me a tour. But I was also a little concerned about how Charlie would see. smashed down a six-pack in less than 30 minutes. Six-pack of beer in 30 minutes? That's, you're doing, that's not just, hey, I like having a beer, man. That's, I'm going to get drunk fast.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Yeah. That's like, that's a lot. You can't. Five minutes of beer, you can't even have a conversation while you're drinking that. No, you're just chugging beers. You're getting, trying to get drunk. You're not doing that as like a social thing at all. So I guess Cock and Barrett joined the group at the campfire.
Starting point is 00:55:47 headland said she tried to stay relaxed then after a little while Charles started taunting her dog I don't know what he's got into this fucking dog it's I think it I think it's just a yeah right extension of her right there it is that's the words
Starting point is 00:56:05 that sounds very educated when he's like that is it I don't have a high school diploma so I don't know if that I'd put it that way I would have said in a real dumb way of like, yeah, it hurts her.
Starting point is 00:56:21 Same thing. It's an extension of her, so it hurts her. There we go. See, this is why we're a good team. So he squeezed its snout and revealed and showed its fangs and said, don't do this to a wolf. And the dog growled. Yeah. I guess this dog is a wolf hybrid, by the way.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Headlin then repeatedly asked him to stop, but he kept at it until the dog. dog snapped at him and bit his pinky finger. Good. Is that the same dog that he's just fucking dangled off a freeway? Dragged into the fucking highway. He then started beating the dog. Hey, Michael Vic, what are you doing? This is, you're not, no.
Starting point is 00:57:02 You're going to hit a dog for a normal response to your aggressive attitude. Yeah. Not only that, you're in a big group of people. Who's going to take this? You know what I mean? Not afraid to show yourself like that? So, according to a, this is. according to a witness statement given to police
Starting point is 00:57:19 the next day. So the group got quiet, which I don't know why they get quiet. You think they go, stop hitting that fucking dog, stupid. What the fuck, dude? What are you doing? Headland said she grabbed her dog and walked toward her truck planning to get the hell out of there. And Charles turned his headlamp on and
Starting point is 00:57:35 followed. I guess they have lamps if they're going to night climb. Cox says he remembered feeling confused. He said, I thought they were just working it out. He was down by her truck, and I guess she was trying to load up her dog, but all of a sudden we heard this thud. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Cox said he got up from his spot at the campfire to investigate, and he saw that Headland was lying on the ground and that Charles was punching her head repeatedly. Oh, boy. How dare you get mad at me for beating your dog for no reason? Cox said he rushed toward Headland as Barrett made his way back to the campfire. According to the police report, Barrett then said
Starting point is 00:58:17 Shit just got real. I hit Bonnie. What? Shit just got real. Cawks said he helped Bonnie, who had one, who was regaining consciousness. Blood was coming out of her nose and left ear.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Out of the ear. Out of the ear. So Barrett left the camp area that night while Bonnie stayed and slept in her truck assured by Cawk and the others they'd keep her safe. Yeah, you guys are really a crack squad
Starting point is 00:58:44 of fucking of guards here. She had blood coming out of her ear and she went to bed? She went to bed. She'll be okay. And she was unconscious too for a minute there. Probably should have seen a doctor. But instead, she slept in her truck. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Members of the group the next morning drove to Bishop to give their statements to police. So Charles just like disappears. As you would. And a guy like him can stay like in the rocks for a long time. So he disappeared for nearly a week. He contacted friends saying that he planned to commit suicide. I guess that's just like he just must have killed himself in the woods, leave him alone, look him after him. He was arrested by county sheriff's deputies.
Starting point is 00:59:30 According to the police report, Charles told the officer that he hit Bonnie Headland at the campground. When asked if it had happened before, he acknowledged striking her at her cabin in 2006. Here we go. So he pleads no contest to one count of. battery on a cohabitant with traumatic injury, felony domestic violence. A crime in California that's a maximum penalty of two to four years at the time. Yeah, you don't want to do that. Cawke later told federal investigators that Charles asked him to appear in court to lie to a judge about what happened.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Wow. In Charles' version of events that he wanted him to tell, he was only trying to protect himself from the dog and somehow in his flailing hit Bonnie during the fray. Yeah. That's what happened. Stop the dog. This vicious dog. You know, sometimes when you try to stop a dog fight, they bite you.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Same thing, but with people. Yeah, it happens, totally. So he said, that's how it happened. And Cox said, I'm not fucking doing that. Good. No way. Cox said, he told him, quote, dude, you crossed the line and now you're going to jail.
Starting point is 01:00:40 And then he threw like one of these, like, little, like, you know. Hang loose. Yeah, like hang loose, brie threw one of those on there. Lonnie did that? That's what Cawkes told him there. Yeah. He said, just suck it up and deal with it. All right.
Starting point is 01:00:54 And so then Cawks said, because of this, Charles harassed him on and off for more than a decade. Really? Yeah, this guy's a real asshole. I mean, harasses his buddy for not. For not lying to him for him in course. Because he beat the shit out of a woman who didn't like him torturing. her dog. Wow. So January 2009, Charles has offered another plea deal and was sentenced to you, sir, may fuck off. Ooh, this'll, this will stop him. Six months in jail and five years probation.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Oh, boy. Now, the deal stipulates, though, the probation's a big deal because if he violates the probation, which includes refraining from alcohol and contacting Bonnie, he could be sent back to jail for up to a year each violation. So if he gets drunk and goes to Bonnie's house, that's two years in jail. Okay. So that's how they're doing it. He was convicted of felony domestic violence. It's basically what it was.
Starting point is 01:01:56 Plead plea deal, 180 days in Inyo County Jail. Bonnie said she hoped she'd never hear from him again. In Rio, huh? Inyo. I-N-Y-O. One of Barrett's, a friend of Charles, believed that the deal was a mistake. in a letter to the county district attorney written before the sentencing was announced, this friend said, quote, Charles Barrett is mentally ill and asked that he be placed in a long-term psychiatric facility instead of prison.
Starting point is 01:02:27 He said, please do not underestimate how dangerous his illness is. He has the capacity to hurt or kill people. He could have killed Bonnie. And if his condition goes untreated, he could kill others. Yeah. So that's one of his friends. And they were like, that six months ought to do it. So nine months after his release from prison for the second assault there, he allegedly attacked another female climber and would eventually threaten to kill her too.
Starting point is 01:02:56 We'll talk about that. Sounds about right. March 2010, Stephanie Forte was spending the weekend in the home of some friends were climbing people who lived in Bishop. And the recreational, the plan was all bouldering, all bouldering all the time. Sure. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show and tell you how to build a wardrobe with Quince.
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Starting point is 01:07:12 on his feet after his release from jail. Wow. Now, this Forte ran her own public relations agency in Las Vegas, and she's also a really accomplished rock climber who routinely tackled difficult 5.13 plus routes, which me and you know to stop before we get to 5.10, never mind 5.13. I mean, I'm sticking around back at three. Shit. I push myself sometimes, but I don't get that far. Is that a black diamond? I have no fucking idea.
Starting point is 01:07:46 According to her description of her encounter with Charles, which she shared with police, she was staying with her friend here, and she arrived, and she heard that Barrett had been convicted of domestic violence. And that worried her. But the friend said, don't be concerned because the charge. Charges were, quote, totally rigged. Oh, yeah. So rigged. Rigged. Yeah, it's all rigged.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Rigged charges. Rigged charges. Yeah, it was just all people conspiring against him, obviously. I've never had a rigged charge. Rigged charges, man. So they're all rigged. So Stephanie Forte was introduced to Barrett on the second evening of her stay after her and her friend returned from a day of climbing and then had dinner. They had some small talk.
Starting point is 01:08:33 And then Forte said, I'm going to go to bed, which is in the same. the study where she was, that's her room, her guest room there. Several hours later, she woke up to find guess what? What? What do you think? Is he there? A dog growling at her. No. No, she woke up to find a man
Starting point is 01:08:50 on top of her. And that's bad enough. But this part really makes it something with an erection pressed against her backside. Oh. So boner in her ass crack. Yeah. The layman out there. So she would later tell police that the man
Starting point is 01:09:06 was kissing her neck, squeezing her breasts and rubbing her genital area. You know, making out. You know, about to rape you. Making out without you. Without your consent. Yeah. One-sided makeout session. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Just getting started. She said the room was pitch black, but she recognized his voice from talking to him earlier. And he said, quote, you know you want it. That's what he said. He's like a storybook rapist if he's doing that. If this is all true, that's a, that's what a storybook rapist would say. You know, you want it. How old is he at this point?
Starting point is 01:09:43 What is it? 25. 25 and that's how you. This is how he's doing it. This is horrifying. This is terrifying. You know what I mean? That's terrible.
Starting point is 01:09:53 He kept whispering it over and over again, which makes it even worse. She's, again, like five, one, barely 100 pounds, and she's trying to push him off. he then backed off because there noise starts to be made and there's multiple people sleeping in this house, which is in a huge house. So he must have been worried about that. He then backed off and, you know, this is all class. Now, what he did up to this point, obviously is terrible,
Starting point is 01:10:23 but this here, this is class. He gets off of her, obviously mad that she doesn't want to be raped, clearly, and calls her a cunt. How dare you Rebuff my completely Unfucking warranted and uninvited And uninvited advances on you, please How dare you?
Starting point is 01:10:46 She turned me down when I started without her Fucking unbelievable. Hunt. Wow. So then he retreated to another room And he left the house before sunrise. She said she was Stayed awake and frozen on the bed for the rest of the night. She left the house at dawn and went home.
Starting point is 01:11:06 I want to know more about hanging out this weekend. So in the coming days, she told several people, including the people who lived at the house where he was staying, what happened. According to her account to police, the friend encouraged her to just forget about the assault. Really? And this is the gross part.
Starting point is 01:11:25 This is what the friend said. This is what I mean. He needs, if these people are propping him up, It's even fucking, at least there's, he has less avenue of hurt. He, the friend said, oh, just, it's so what? He was just, you know, he was attracted to you probably. And he didn't like he hurt you, did he hurt you? He's so hot.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Yeah. She said, considerate flattering that a guy 14 years younger was attracted to you. That's what her friend said. Lady. A young man wanted it had a hard dick in your ass crack. You should be flattered. Wow. He could be fucking 25-year-olds, and instead he wants you.
Starting point is 01:12:05 He's trying to fuck you. Isn't that make you feel good? Wow. I mean, for that, with that kind of logic, Bill Cosby should have never been put in jail because... No, you should be flattered that a man of 73 years was that attracted to you. Harvey Weinstein could probably fuck anybody. Oh, they should be thrilled that he's someone so much older. Very rich and powerful man.
Starting point is 01:12:32 You should be thrilled that he wants to fuck you. Jesus, this is horrifying. So she said she later would regret that she waited until 2021 to speak with police about this 2010 incident. She figured she could just forget about it and it would go away, basically. So meanwhile, he keeps gaining renown in the climbing world. Apparently, the crazier you are, the better of a climber you are. Wow. That's how this works.
Starting point is 01:12:58 It must be. It takes a lot of balls for sure, but if you're pent up, then I guess you can climb fucking anything, huh? I guess so. I'm going to read a sentence that we're not going to understand at all. Quote, the list of first ascents and sends of difficult bouldering problems, most of them chronicled on the popular website 8a.n.U. You know that popular website that we all go to all the time, everybody out there. Sounds like 4chan for I guess. It totally does.
Starting point is 01:13:30 You know, there's like Amazon and 8a.nU. Those are the two most popular one. Google is up there. YouTube is pretty high. Dot new. Dot new. This was growing. He said as he completed his five-year probation for assaulting headland,
Starting point is 01:13:44 Barrett lived out of his truck and was a constant presence in places like the buttermilks climbing full-time and working on jobs. Yeah. Most of our athletes don't live in their trucks till well after their career. has taken a shit. Yeah, this guy's like in his prime and he's living in his truck. He's already in a Tacoma. Usually they get crazy because their house is too big and it.
Starting point is 01:14:10 They just can't take it. This guy's doing this. So I guess they say in this article back in the early 2000s, bouldering had become popular enough supported by gear companies and tourism that climbers like Barrett could make a living out of it. And after he got out of jail, they said he's been right. a wave that he helped create. Yeah, but this wave leads to your truck as a place to sleep.
Starting point is 01:14:33 That's not a great wave to be on. Yeah, that's not positive. That's not positive. The wave takes you to Gilligan's Island. It's like, this is terrible. I don't want to be here. We can't get off. So over the next five years, he self-published three popular guidebooks and received
Starting point is 01:14:48 gear support from Asana, which sells crash pads and other climbing accessories. Uh-huh. And blogs and social media further fueled the sports popularity. And it seemed as long as Barrett maintained that he was a good, a groundbreaking rock climber than the community had his back still, even though he's obviously a shitbag. So that's why these people are like saying, oh, brush it off. It's fine.
Starting point is 01:15:13 Just be happy he's a younger man wanted to fuck you because they think of him as like this cool guy. It's very impressive, yeah. Climber and guidebook author Willis Young wrote, quote, It's good to finally hear that Charlie Barrett has defeated his nemesis, the specter. I guess that was a certain rock there. He wrote in 2009, December 2009, he'd had the early moves of the problem
Starting point is 01:15:41 and the moves around the lip on lockdown last season and yet would spin off every time he tried to hold the swing after the long move left in the middle of the crux, which is my problem for years. The crux gets you every time. Every time with the lip, I swing over. It's obviously, I can't do it. It sucks. Young, who declined to be interviewed, either didn't know or failed to mention that the likely reason he had been delayed and completing the problem was that he was in jail.
Starting point is 01:16:10 So a judge granted Bonnie Headland a protective order in October 2008, stating that Barrett was to remain at least 100 yards from her at all times. All right. Okay. The water would remain in effect till 2012. The judge also issued a protective order for her dog, which I didn't know you could get. I mean, you should. Yeah. I love it you can.
Starting point is 01:16:35 Scruffy. Complaintant, Scruffy. Yeah. A victim. Victim. Scruffy. You can't go near his bowl, his food. Fifty feet away from Scruffy at all time.
Starting point is 01:16:49 That peg in the yard that his leash is tied to. You can't go near that. That's all his. Unless the leash is longer than 50 feet. That tree he likes to piss on on the edge of the yard. You can't get to stay away from that. So she said she was headland, said she was trying to recover from this trauma, hanging out in the buttermilks,
Starting point is 01:17:07 and was determined to get back to climbing in the eastern Sierra, which she called her happy place. But she said she didn't want to run into Charles Barrett and his friends. Okay. So she said all the climbing in California had become. kind of a danger zone because you never knew where he's going to be. Yeah. She said, when I would go climbing, I'd be so afraid of running into him.
Starting point is 01:17:25 But I also, it made me angry. I didn't do anything wrong. Why did I have to avoid the outdoor places I loved? Absolutely. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
Starting point is 01:17:35 One day in November 2008, after Barrett had been charged with the violence, but before he was sent to jail, Bonnie Headland decided to follow the advice of a court-appointed victim's advocate and her friends, which was to walk up to Barrett at the buttermilks and tell him that he needed to leave, that he's violating the protective order. That's what they all said to do that. She said, he'd just looked at me and he laughed and his friends just stood there. That's when I realized they all believed the lies about me that Charlie had told them. It was devastating.
Starting point is 01:18:07 Yeah. Yeah, he's like the cool guy, so they all just believe him. I guess her friend Jake Daley said that she suffered two traumas during that period, the assault by Barrett and the alienation from the climbing community. She said that close friends stuck by her, like Jake Daly, but many others distanced themselves, and Barrett told everybody that he was the victim. Oh. Daly said she was stunned and accused of blowing things out of proportion. There were people who idolized Charlie, and he was their connection to greatness.
Starting point is 01:18:39 Being around him made them feel cool, and they didn't want to lose that. Yeah, this is the same way why people didn't report. All these powerful people who do this shit, because they like being in their orbit. Right. To protect herself and minimize near debilitating trauma symptoms, Bonnie stopped climbing. She also got shitloads of locks and fucking alarms and everything else for her house. This ruined her life. Ruined her.
Starting point is 01:19:01 She kept mace in her home in her car. She slept with a baseball bat under her bed and checked behind the shower curtain. She said, I would be awake all night sitting on my counter and shaking, waiting for something to happen. Well, something's going to happen here. February 2014. Charles is arrested in Mono or Mono County for public intoxication. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:19:25 That's not a big deal. It's not supposed to be drinking. That's supposed to be drinking, though. That's right. I guess Bonnie said that in the weeks before and after the arrest, he called her home phone in the middle of the night breathing heavily. Oh. She's having a period of being a little fucked up here. She could tell it was him because his number appeared on her caller ID.
Starting point is 01:19:42 He didn't even hide it. That'll do it. Yeah. That's how you could tell. How do it was him? Well, it says Charles Barrett on this right here. The drinking and phone calls were both probation violations according to the plea deal, and that's two years in jail. She said this was the second time he had violated his probation before.
Starting point is 01:20:01 In July 2010, court record showed that he failed a urine test for alcohol, which means you had to have drank it within like 12 hours, basically, for that to be in your system. If you drank it a day and a half ago, you wouldn't be in there. He had to show up drunk for it, basically. That's crazy. So he was ordered by the Inyo County officials to attend a 12-week substance abuse program but wasn't given additional jail time. According to the probation officer's report, the program provider called Barrett a mid-stage alcoholic who had a history of alcohol abuse with sporadic binge episodes. And the provider's recommendation for Barrett was, don't drink no matter what. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 01:20:46 Alcohol, especially if you're bipolar, do not add chemicals to that that are not prescribed to you. Mid-stage alcoholic. So he's like, he's close to a problem. Yeah, he's a fucking mess. So after the 2014 violations, Bonnie Headland wrote to the Mono County District Attorney's Office and asked that the penalties for the probation violations be enforced, actually.
Starting point is 01:21:09 Yeah. But a Mono County DA named David Anderson informed Bonnie that the county would not be taking steps to jail Barrett, even though they could. He also pointed out that Barrett's probation could not be extended either. So we're not going to do anything, basically. He said, they said he was just a few weeks away from completing the maximum five-year probation period and was not legally eligible for additional time. They said, we would normally give some jail time and put him back on probation.
Starting point is 01:21:36 The only option is to sentence him to prison for his domestic violence case against you, and the judge already said he will not do that. So we're at an impasse. Instead, he was required to attend another 12-week substance abuse program. Headland was issued a new criminal protection order, or criminal protective order, I should say, which didn't really do anything because he violated it last time. So she's like, that doesn't really matter. He laughed at it.
Starting point is 01:22:03 According to Valerie Hanneman, who was a psychologist from Flagstaff, who this reporter asked to view, look at court documents from the case, bodies. Boney's fears weren't, they weren't, you know, unwarranted here. Yeah. Hadaman was the clinical director of crisis counseling for the nonprofit victim witness services from 2018 to 2023. Counseled domestic violence victims for more than 35 years. She said, reading over everything, she considered Charles Barrett to be, quote, very dangerous. She said she doesn't diagnose from afar, which means she's not a quack. So that's good. Sure, sure. Yeah. She said that he fit the mold of a certain kind of male abuser, one who doesn't often respond to anger management classes or substance abuse programs, and one that sometimes ignores protective orders. She said, they have very strong narcissistic characteristics and are not capable of normal relationships.
Starting point is 01:22:58 They groom their victims with love bombs, rose pedals in the driveway, fucking hanging notes, then take them as hostages. If you cross them, they will find you and hurt you. They think the rules of society don't apply to them. Okay. Which telling cops, you'll kill them and slashing their tires obviously says you don't think the rules apply to you. Right. Yeah. Even for a legitimate arrest.
Starting point is 01:23:20 So that's a lot. So they said, by the way, according to the Justice Department, of the nearly 5,000 women who were murdered in the U.S. in 2012. 21? Yeah. There's more guys that were killed than that. But still, that's because they kill each other a lot. Because guys kill guys, yeah. 34% were killed by an intimate partner.
Starting point is 01:23:43 So one third of the women murdered were killed by an intimate partner. I mean, that right there is why they first look at the husband or whoever. And why they sometimes don't look at the wife is because the rate of partner homicide for women is five times higher than for men. Wow. So that's crazy. So they said that her attempts basically Bonnie's attempts to get law enforcement
Starting point is 01:24:09 to give a shit and the climbing community too didn't matter at all. Here is a climber named Kevin Jorgensen or Jorgensen on Facebook in October 2014 and said, I'm excited to see my friend Charlie Barrett is close to realizing or releasing a new guidebook
Starting point is 01:24:26 for Tulam Tullumne. Check it out and pre-order your copy. So people are plugging him and all that. That. Interesting. Wow. Then, in the years after his 2009 release, Bonnie said that Barrett continued to harass her. We know about the phone calls.
Starting point is 01:24:48 This reporter said that, this reporter, by the way, for climbing.com went in fucking, I mean, this. Yeah. She should work for, I don't know, somebody else because this. She's wonderful. She really investigates. Yeah. This is awesome. I mean, this is like the lady that wrote the Epstein book, the reporter in Miami there that wrote the Epstein book.
Starting point is 01:25:12 Perversion of Justice maybe. I read it. I can't fucking remember. That's a hell of a title. It's perfect. Wow. Because they're talking about how they let him go in 2019 because he was friends with everybody powerful. That was the point.
Starting point is 01:25:25 And he's a pervert. It works perfect. Oh, my God, it's beautiful. It's the greatest book title of all time. Yeah, so anyway, they continue to harass and all this type of shit. And this lady did a great job of this reporter did a great job of figuring this all out. So she says, as I discovered over the course of a year spent researching his background in court records, just to give you an idea of how much work this person did, he was accused of sexually assaulting four other female climbers.
Starting point is 01:25:56 Oh, Barrett. Between 2010 and 2017. Wow. Think about that. That's a lot. Federal investigators told this reporter that there could be many more victims who stayed silent. Yeah, if there's four that reported it, there's 20 that didn't, period. You know?
Starting point is 01:26:16 Especially if they were other climbers, they were probably like that. He's real popular. No one's going to believe me. The captain of the football team diddled me and no one's behind it. So I just won't say anything. Right. Wow. Yeah, record show that during a 14-year person,
Starting point is 01:26:31 period starting in 2008, at least nine criminal protective orders or restraining orders were obtained against Barrett by four women who all said they feared for their lives. He's got a thing that he does. During this time, he was still praised by everybody in the climbing community about his guidebooks and all that. Alex Honnold said in a 2019 article in Tahoe Quarterly, Charlie is a very strong, naturally talented climber, a friend of Honnold's and a strong climber in his own right, the piece said. Barrett is primarily known for pioneering some of the hardest bouldering routes in California.
Starting point is 01:27:11 And Barrett was the subject of a glowing profile in the July 2016 issue of climbing. Climbing.com. Just climbing. That's the magazine. Online, it's climbing. dot com. So the 2016 climbing article James Lucas was a friend of Barrett's who says he didn't know the real
Starting point is 01:27:32 story of the assault on Bonnie. In an interview, he told this reporter that wrote all about Barrett that he'd heard Barrett was attacked by her dog and was protecting himself. So he gave that shit story to everybody and they all told him about. Wow. In 2016, Climbing magazine published the profile of Barrett that Luke Lucas reported and wrote. The story was removed by Climbing's website in 2018 after the magazine's editor became
Starting point is 01:27:59 aware of Barrett's history of assaults and alleged harassment. So, Lucas made passing mention of Barrett's legal troubles and detailed his claim that he suffered debilitating panic attacks. These attacks, Lucas concluded, were the source of his problems. He said, quote, Charlie did not want me to put anything about his arrests and his story. My goal was just to focus on his character as a climber. Looking back, that wasn't such a good idea. No?
Starting point is 01:28:26 Is that right? Yeah, weird. But my thinking then was that he was my friend and I wanted to believe he was a good person. All right. Now, around this time, we're glowing profiles of him coming out. Barrett meets a young woman who court documents identify as KG. So by then, he's no longer banned from Yosemite. And he asked KG to join him on a bouldering trek.
Starting point is 01:28:49 up to the two o lumni meadows, two oumny, two oumny, two alumny? I don't know. In mid-August of 2016. On the first night, he suggested they take a walk from the busy campground where they were staying to a dark secluded meadow to watch a meteor shower. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:08 That could be romantic. Yeah, it's awful. If you're not terrified of someone, that could be good. Once there, he pushed her to the ground, put his hands around her neck, and began strangling her. Oh, boy. She told investigators that she couldn't breathe and thought she was going to die.
Starting point is 01:29:23 That's what happens. Jesus Christ, that is wild. By the way, this article says, data on men who assault women shows that strangulation is a primary indicator of intent to kill, increasing the victim's chance of death by more than 750 percent. Yeah. Yeah. The want of putting your hand around a woman's neck and squeezing is a... That's a very specific thing. I won't even do that if you beg me.
Starting point is 01:29:51 I am not explaining that shit to the police. You just got big mitts, babe. Yeah, that's what I mean. I got big mitts and a five-foot-one wife. I'm not going to come over and go, well, she said she wanted me to do it. You know, no. Yeah, but your fingers overlap. If she needed that, around the back.
Starting point is 01:30:08 You can touch your thumb. I could literally put my hands around her ankles and touch on the other side. Really? Yeah, because I have big hands and she's small. So it's like I'm not putting my hand or anybody's neck. And if anybody needs to come 10% harder, they're on their own because fuck you. I'm not going to prison for the rest of my life. Why wrap your own hands?
Starting point is 01:30:27 For that shit. Yeah, figure it out. That's, I'll do anything. That's the one thing I'm not doing. I'm not joking anybody. That would be a wild thing to look up at, right? Not doing it. Just strangling herself.
Starting point is 01:30:39 That's, yeah. Whatever gets you go. This is how fucked up guys are. We wouldn't care. I wouldn't give a fuck. Wouldn't give a fuck. Wouldn't give a fuck. Wouldn't give a fuck.
Starting point is 01:30:46 That's what I mean. If you're getting off on it, we'd be thrilled about it. Great. Go ahead. We don't care. You can do anything. And we'd be like, yeah, that seems normal. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:30:54 We don't care. It's like a handle, though, I guess. I don't know. We don't judge. No. I'll do it now. Yeah. So according to a March 2020
Starting point is 01:31:02 motion from the prosecution, Jesus Christ, Barrett then pulled KG's pants down. I just keep thinking it's Kevin Garnett. Yeah. The sight of it is making me. Or he'd be like, what you do it,
Starting point is 01:31:15 motherfucker and he punched him ever. KG's like mad hood too. Like to hear him saying that shit, he'd be like, yo, motherfucker, I'm going to fuck you up. And he'd be like, whaling on this guy. You're going to wish you were on a rock motherfucker when I'm done with you. So, okay, that's the last of the comedy
Starting point is 01:31:31 for this, for this particular story because this sucks. So from then, he pulled KG's pants down and violently raped her. Oh, my God. Which it's only funny if you picture that being Kevin Garnett. And that's crazy. Because it's horrible.
Starting point is 01:31:47 It's horrible. Over a period of several days, Barrett allegedly sexually assaulted her two more times. She explained to investigators why she didn't attempt to run away or call for help. She said that if she did, she feared he would kill her later because he's obviously a loose cannon here. She didn't report the assault to federal authorities until April 2020. She responded to a text from Barrett after the trip and said that she no longer wanted to see him. She said, quote, I don't hang out with guys who rate me. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:18 Great answer. That's the perfect answer. Now it's on there, too. So, fucking, wow. That angered him, of course, because, you know, how dare you not like me raping you? So for the next several years, according to prosecution filings, he became obsessed with either winning her back or terrifying her and shutting the fuck up. Wow. The investigator, one of the investigators, wrote,
Starting point is 01:32:44 she monitored social media for things Barrett might post about her because she was worried Barrett would come after her. Another court document noted, Barrett harassed and intimidated KG by sending her text messages designed to show her he was still aware of her location. In October 2019, in a part to distance herself from Barrett, KG moved to East Central Kentucky's Red River Gorge, a popular climbing.
Starting point is 01:33:10 Stop moving to places with mountains. If you want to get away from this guy, move to Nebraska. Yeah, move to Kansas. Not that you should have to live in a flat shit hole like that, but if you go there, you'll never see him.
Starting point is 01:33:22 Zero chance of seeing him in Oklahoma. Oh, shit. So apparently, she moved there. This is a popular climbing area inside Daniel Boone National Forest. A few days after she arrived, she got a text,
Starting point is 01:33:36 according to court records, from Barrett, heard about the move and followed her. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Hey, no, we had a weird time and don't want any awkwardness.
Starting point is 01:33:47 Hope you're crushing. Oh, boy. A weird time? That's a strange way to talk about, right? So he also appeared, uh, apparently interfered with KG's ability to find employment in the new location. Uh, the owner of a restaurant where she applied for a waitressing job would later tell federal investigators that Barrett approached him and said that KG was, quote, insane and would
Starting point is 01:34:08 cause problems for his business. The guy's insane. He's following her around to menial job applications and ruining it for her. The owner said he expressed concerns to law enforcement about Barrett's stalking of KG. Investigators led this, add this to the list of shit here. Around this time, Barrett decided that the Yosemite Rangers were after him again. An investigator, investigators report described how Barrett focused on one of the Rangers who'd arrested him in 2005, 10 years ago, telling several friends in person and via text
Starting point is 01:34:46 over a course of a couple of weeks that he was going to murder the Rangers twin nine-year-old daughters. What? That is. You can't say that. Crazy. I don't care how cool your friend is. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:35:00 Are you okay? You're sick. Give me a laughing emoji after that. Something. He also talked about revenge on Lonnie Cawke. Remember his friend who wouldn't back him up? Right. The Cawkman.
Starting point is 01:35:15 He started using fake Instagram accounts with no photos or profile information as a tool for harassment. According to court documents, federal investigators who seized his laptop, Barrett's laptop, as evidence for the Osemiti case, stated that he'd used this tactic. Cawks said all these fake Instagram accounts were just hating on me. He was hating on me, man. He described comments he got when he posted photos from climbing and snowboarding trips. The comments here, he assumed it was Barrett, the comments attached to photos of first descents by cock included taunts like, I'm going to kick your ass and the bishop climbing community hates you.
Starting point is 01:35:58 Okay, well, I mean, yeah, if you choke a woman, if you beat women and you're probably, That community that you're quote-unquote famous in is probably going to fire back, especially on the internet. No, no. He was saying that about Cock. To Cock? That's him posting on Cawks posts. He's making bot accounts to comment to Caw? Yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:36:21 I'm going to kick your ass in the Bishop climbing community. And we hate you. Also. Because you don't take up arms for us. Yeah. Cawc was a climbing ambassador for Las Portiva, and he said that Barrett posted negative comments about him on the brand's social media pages. he would send Calk texts of eyeball emojis and call him at all hours from what Barrett would describe later to investigators as burner phones. That is stalking.
Starting point is 01:36:46 Good Lord. Cawks said when he was interviewed about the assault of KG in Yosemite, he learned that some of the other climbers who were interviewed said that Barrett had told them he wanted to kill Cork. Uh-huh. Cawks said, I was always looking over my shoulder. Meanwhile, Barrett is telling friends that he's going to kill himself all the time. Okay. One incident was in the two alumni meadows in September 2016 when he sent a text message to a friend telling him that he had two handguns, a 44 and a 45. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:18 And he said that he, according to a park service report, Barrett said that he was going to, quote, die with her. But no one knew who he meant. All right. The friends called 911. The park special response team was dispatched. And negotiators found him in the forest and coaxed him out. He had no weapons on him. He's just full of shit.
Starting point is 01:37:36 Just mouthing off. He was taken to the community regional medical center in Fresno and Fresno where he was held for psychiatric evaluation and then released a few days later. By late 2016, he's got a new girlfriend. Oh, yeah? E.B. So you know good things were happening to her when we can't know her name. Yeah. A climber and Pilates teacher based in wherever the fuck, just west of Santa Rosa.
Starting point is 01:38:00 So someone with a good thighs and ass based. is what they just described. They dated for a few months, but she broke it off over what an investigator called increasingly volatile behavior, including attempts to ascertain her movements and prevent her from seeing friends.
Starting point is 01:38:16 Oh, boy. After they broke up, he would show up uninvited at her house and demand to see her and was allowed inside. He then took her phone away. Yeah. And according to what she told investigators, quote, held me down and raped her.
Starting point is 01:38:32 Oh, boy. Or held her down and raped her. after that she would no longer let him in the home obviously and he repeatedly attempted to break in wow he's outside trying to jimmy a window the guy that you know is there to rape you that's terrifying she should have got a fucking shotgun for Christ's sake so a police report describes a break in attempt that occurred in January of 2017 prompting her to call 911 and they said dispatch advised me that she could hear over the phone eB yelling to Barrett to leave her alone dispatch advised that she believed Barrett was actively
Starting point is 01:39:07 actively attempting to force entry through the back of her residence. So the cops come and arrest him in front of her house. Yeah. He insisted, not that I didn't know I had a restraining order or whatever, not even this is the wrong house. He said, I'm not Charles Barrett. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not who you think I am.
Starting point is 01:39:29 I'm not even him. I'm quote, just passing through. Ah. Just passing through side to break into some houses. I don't know what the problem is here. He's a cowboy now. I'm just passing through. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:39:41 Just passing through. He got, he tipped his cat. He pulled the front of his hat down. Yeah, he was charged with three misdemeanor counts, which could have given him two years in jail, but he's not going to get that. In another deal, the Sonoma County District Attorney dismissed two of the charges, and he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor trespassing. Oh. All of this. the shit he's done is all added up to like three misdemeanors, which is crazy.
Starting point is 01:40:05 He got a 24-month suspended sentence conditional on him not harassing or contacting EB again. Wow. 24 months suspended? Suspended sentence. Wow. I think it's about time he gets two years. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:40:23 So he obtained an emergency protective order in 2017. She obtained that January of 2017, which he violated immediately. Yeah. Court documents describe how he went to the home of a friend, a well-known climber, and attempted to use his cell phone to call and harass her. The friend later told investigators he'd refused to let Barrett use his the phone, but heard from E.B. the next day that Barrett had somehow called from his number to, quote, threaten her life. E.B. would later tell federal investigators that the fear of Barrett prompted her not to challenge the plea deal
Starting point is 01:40:59 or his violation of the protective order, according to court documents, quote, Barrett threatened that if she continued to pursue the charges against him, he would, quote, ruin her life and do unthinkable, unspeakable things to her. Right. What, like rape? You've raped her already. What more unspeakable? This is horrifying.
Starting point is 01:41:18 You've broken her house and raped her for fuck's sake. That's nuts. Allegedly, I guess. I don't fucking know. So he's a menace out there, allegedly. He's an alleged menace here. Where do you even go with this guy? To jail.
Starting point is 01:41:35 Just prison, right? There's no other option here. He's a fucking asshole. As a friend, you should kick the living shit out of him. He knows someone should be friends with this guy. No. He needs somebody in his life to tell him that he's a mess and that he's got to fix it. He really does.
Starting point is 01:41:50 He's got to fix it. Yeah, this guy, you know what he needs to do? He needs to, like, he needs to be brought back in time and, like, placed in, like, the Bronx Tale neighborhood for a day. Just to, I think those guys would. be like, what are you fucking doing right now? Yeah. The fuck's wrong. She don't want to fucking see you.
Starting point is 01:42:03 What's wrong with you right now? I mean, everybody needs that friend. You know what I mean? Yeah. What's wrong with you, friend to tell him you're fucking dumb? Hey, fucking dummy, friend, exactly. So, I mean, he's a menace. Nobody knows where he is at any point, this Charles Barrett.
Starting point is 01:42:18 All we know is at one point, he smelled something delicious and he went into a shop. He ran into the swarma man, everybody. And he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Why you come? Why you come? I have daughter run around this place now. A swarmer man settled down.
Starting point is 01:42:39 I do, you know, this place, family restaurant. You come in. She's very small. She's very, very small. You know, rape her, please, you know. And they'll make for you. You're no good. By the way, maybe you have little something else in your pocket,
Starting point is 01:42:53 Swarm a man. You know how you have the problem back. No, no, no. You know what? No, I don't even want to you. Doesn't he sound like he does Coke? We know party. You're not even fun, man.
Starting point is 01:43:01 You're not even fun. You just drink. You're rape. I don't know good for you. I don't make it. You go. You go. And then poof in a cloud of Tziki and Peter.
Starting point is 01:43:11 He's gone. Tomatoes. And he's very confused. Our man here, Charles Bauer, has no idea what happened. But, no, who does have an idea. A friend of his name, Mike Wickwire. Yeah. Wickwire.
Starting point is 01:43:24 He's a climber who grew up in Davis and was a a longtime acquaintance of Barrett's and was in the process of purchasing a home in Las Vegas when he heard from Barrett in mid-2017. Charles said, I'm moving to Vegas. I need a place to live. Yeah. He said, I got a girlfriend out there who's a nurse and I want to hang out with her and I want to spend the winter climbing in the Nevada desert.
Starting point is 01:43:44 Think he could help me. Now, Wickwire said he knew that Barrett had some fuck-ups in his past, but he agreed that summer to rent him a room. He said, I just decided I was going to trust him. Yeah. So he let him move in after closing on the house in October. He said, Charlie seemed like a really nice guy at first. He is really good at fooling people. He fooled me. Oh. Yeah. So he said that Wickwire told this reporter that he'd heard about the 2008 assault on Bonnie Headland from other climbers who said, he said, quote, the story was told to me that one day in the buttermilks, Charlie and his girlfriend got in a fight. She spit in his face. and he backhanded her. That's why he did six months jail time. People were saying they both had blame.
Starting point is 01:44:32 Mm-hmm. Yeah. So one day in November 2017, not long after Barrett gets to Vegas, Stephanie Forte, remember her? She said she's shocked to see him climbing at her gym and later to discover that he was living in her hometown. Later to discover he did not escape from prison and he's out here on the land. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:44:54 It should be fucking looking over his shoulder. Like firing a revolver over his shoulder. He's allowed to do this legally. That's crazy. According to her account in a police report, she didn't want Barrett invading her safe space imposing a risk to other women. Yeah. She talked to Jim management about Barrett's criminal history and after repeated requests succeeded in getting him banned from the facility that month.
Starting point is 01:45:15 All right. He's a rapist. He's going to be raping everybody. Around this time, the nurse Barrett was seeing broke up with him. According to a report filed four years later by a federal investigator working on the Yosemite case, who'd collected information on other victims, quote, she said she broke up with him because of abuse directed at her combined with the way he described past incidents of physical and sexual abuse involving other women.
Starting point is 01:45:40 She described the relationship as going from extremes where Barrett was loving and caring and then him immediately changing and becoming physically aggressive and verbally berating her. Yeah, fucking psychopath. Wickwire, by the way, gets her ass too. on Facebook, Barrett repeatedly posted that he was going to commit suicide causing distant friends to call 911. And this Wickwire's like, their cops are coming to my house all the time. They'd show up at my house to do a welfare check, he was saying. And Barrett would jump the back fence to get away.
Starting point is 01:46:12 So, Wickwire said he started locking his bedroom door at night because Barrett would sneak in his room to use his phone for harassment calls. Yeah. He also says he trashed my house. He was probably drinking 30 beers a day. He wasn't violent. He was just drunk 24-7. Good Lord. Holy fuck.
Starting point is 01:46:31 That's more than one an hour. That's a lot. Wickwire and Barrett agreed that Barrett would move out on December 1st, which he did with the understanding he would stay away from the place going forward. But in response to being banned from the house, he just started making physical threats. One text message, according to Wickwire, said things like, quote, you're not going to walk for. a while, stupid fuck. Ever taste pavement? I have people who have your address. Oh, boy. Barrett also threatened the house. According to a federal investigator's report, he gained admission to the hospital ER, or the nurse, not the house. The nurse he was going out. He gained admission to the hospital
Starting point is 01:47:09 ER where she worked, saying that he was suicidal. Oh. Then he got out of bed to follow her around. He was just doing that to get near her, causing staff to worry about her safety. The investigator also described Barrett phoning the nurse and impersonating a police officer to make her believe he had actually killed himself. Holy. God. The report says she would come home and find Barrett sitting in her backyard. She feared to leave her home because he parked in front of her house or down the street and he would follow her if she left. The nurse obtained a restraining order in July and June 2018 saying that she was terrified Barrett was going to kill her. In this instance, the police apparently couldn't locate Barrett and the order was never served.
Starting point is 01:47:53 I think we're, this is a lot. Yeah, why can you? So most of Barrett's anger was aimed at Forte, though, that woman. He took being banned from the climbing gym as fuck, that that's his ultimate. You really fucked him now. And he basically had a five-year campaign of retaliation that this reporter said would turn her life upside down.
Starting point is 01:48:18 In December 2017, she was visiting family in New Jersey for the holidays. She got a disturbing text message from Bill Ramsey, her friend and next-door neighbor in Vegas. Ramsey's also a longtime climber in the area. Ramsey had received a series of text messages from Barrett warning he was going to take care of Forte and then kill himself. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 01:48:41 According to the police report, Ramsey had initially tried to support Barrett when he moved to town, but now he was worried about Forte's safety. Barrett knew that Ramsey was her neighbor and continued to send cryptic, ominous text messages to Ramsey that would later on be in police reports. He wrote December 19, 2017, tell Stephanie she won. I have friends that are going to her house. That doesn't sound like a winner. No.
Starting point is 01:49:07 According to records, Ramsey sought to distance himself from Barrett, who was living out of his truck and traveling between climbing areas in 2018. but the texts kept coming, even though Ramsey rarely responded to them. He threatened Forte with violence as well as a defamation suit. Ramsey shared the messages with Forte, who had blocked Barrett on her phone and social media. Once in March 25, 2018, Charles wrote, tell Stephanie she is warned, I am going to court. April 5th, he said, you there? I'm killing myself tonight. Thanks for the good times.
Starting point is 01:49:43 Yeah, tell Steph she won. Oh, boy. August 10th. Dude, Stephanie is about to get worked. You can text me if you want. She's done, though. Get worked? That's what you say about a dude.
Starting point is 01:49:56 Like, yeah, you're going to punch up. About to go work, a woman? That's fucked up, man. She's about to get worked. Did you ever taste pavement? Stephanie? Hey, Stephanie, you ever taste pavement? Like, well, that's the craziest thing ever.
Starting point is 01:50:06 Stephanie is like the craziest name to threaten that violence to. Federal investigators would later learn that in 2018, Barrett told a friend, a professional climber that he planned to kill Forte. The friend said he didn't take it seriously and wrongly assumed it had something to do with Barrett having a crush on her from a long time ago. Just blew it off. He repeatedly posted on social media that Forte was determined to ruin his life. In September 2018, he removed his Facebook profile photo and replaced it with a picture of Forte climbing. He found other photos of her online and posted them as well.
Starting point is 01:50:43 one showed Forte smiling and sitting at the base of a climb. Barrett's caption read, I don't always ruin people's lives, but when I do, I smile. Ah, I'm an interesting guy. Yeah, well, it's her, though. Like, look at her. Yeah. Barrett named a new climbing route at Tulum, Tulamne Meadows, quote,
Starting point is 01:51:05 fuck you, Steph Forte, fuck you, since he found that he got the name. He promoted the route to his approximately 5,000 Instagram followers. in October 2019, and it was posted on the best of 8A Instagram account, you know, the 8A.nU, most popular site in the world. The Tahoe Quarterly piece came out around that time, and ESPN.com profiled Alex Hanald in September, describing Barrett as Hanald's friend and climbing partner. Yeah. Hannell discussed that period at length with this reporter in the summer of 2023.
Starting point is 01:51:39 He mentioned that his friendship with Barrett was sporadic. He said, I would see Charlie once every few years for like a day or two, and he acknowledged that he had a blind spot about him like many people did. He said that his knowledge of violent behavior of Charles came primarily from rumors he heard around the campfire, and he said the rumors were often dismissed. He said, people cut him more slack because he's incredibly talented, and he wrote those guidebooks and established really hard climbs. He said he'd heard stories about a few professional climbers that he knew who'd been in relationships with Barrett who got punched in the face. Yeah. He said, I thought, that's crazy. But then I immediately thought maybe he was really drunk and they were fighting and that's how he ended up punching her in the face.
Starting point is 01:52:23 And she's a very strong person who holds her own and, you know, dismissing punching women in the face. He said, I just try to see the best in people. Oh, that's nice. Is that right? Wow. You need to get him on a jury. if you're ever in trouble because he's just trying to see the best of people. Evidently, there was a bunch of those people on the OJ trial.
Starting point is 01:52:45 I just want to see the best in him. That's exactly what it is. Wow. The violence was a step beyond what I could imagine, he said, which I guess is why I had a blind spot around it. And the depressed alcoholic thing is an easy way to mask some of the actual violence. Oh, my God. So when Barrett was climbing in Kentucky in 2019 and 20, where KG had moved, tires on his truck were slashed.
Starting point is 01:53:09 He said on Instagram that Forte, who was living in Vegas, might have done it. Yeah, she went to Kentucky to slashes tires. Later, when two different girlfriends broke up with him, he blamed that on Forte. Interesting. He said, harsh, he posted on Instagram in 2021, harsh reality to wake up to, Steph 2, Charlie Zero. She is stalking the shit out of him and just destroying his life. It's now everything that bad that happens to him is her doing. All her.
Starting point is 01:53:42 He would occasionally succeed in sending Forte messages by using his fake Instagram accounts. Those all became materials retrieved from his phone and laptop. The prosecutors sought as evidence of how he tried to intimidate people. In May of 2020, using an account called Sean underscore 5540, he said of Forte, you are an absolute piece of shit human, but I'm sure you know that. Wow. And then from another different account in September, he said, you're going down. Barrett told friends he was trying to get his life back and was working on filing a defamation suit against Forte.
Starting point is 01:54:17 He said women were conspiring against him to capitalize on Me Too. What? How many, there was so many assholes during that period that had a lot of very legitimate charges against him. Oh, boy. I'm just getting Me Too. It's like, yeah, stupid, because you did a bunch of shit. You did a bunch of shit. Not one thing.
Starting point is 01:54:38 A bunch of shit. Yeah. It's just, I don't know, people are just being vocal about their experiences with you. They're just mentioning it now. That's all. Yeah. Oh, Christ. He often closed his online complaints about Forte and others with the hashtag men to.
Starting point is 01:54:57 Oh, don't do that. You jackass. That means you got dittled also. Men also get dittled, I believe, is what that means. You got Terry Cruz or whatever. Yeah. I mean, that's what it is, yeah. Yeah, I think.
Starting point is 01:55:13 So anyway, and by late 2021, he knew we might be going back to prison soon. Federal authorities had opened an investigation into the 2016 assault of KG and Yosemite. Christy McGee, a lead detective, had worked more than 100 sexual assault cases for National Park Services, Investigative Services Branch, and had formerly interviewed Barrett in July of that year. For Barrett, this was no, this was a big deal. This is, you know, federal authorities are looking at you in a big scale. In early 2022, he showed up at the Mammoth Hospital Emergency Room asking for help. He was admitted on January 5th at 2 a.m., Mammoth Lakes Police Report filed two days later at the request of the worried hospital staff described him as a, quote, suicidal and homicidal patient.
Starting point is 01:56:01 That's how you treat that. Danger to myself and other. Yeah, horribly. Yeah. You got to tie him down to tell him everything's going to be okay. Yeah. Jesus. So he said that he intended to drive to Vegas and kill Forte. He also said that he was being investigated by federal authorities for sexual assault and gave them McGee's phone number. Who was the authority, the detective? Hospital staff called McGee, who contacted Forte the next morning to inform her of the threat. Meanwhile, Mammoth police helped Forte obtain a protective order against him from a judge. Barrett was held overnight in the ER where he was evaluated by staff physician, who would later tell police that Barrett described wanting to kill Forte because Forte had ruined his life, but he couldn't describe how or give her examples. The physician added that Barrett said he wanted to cut the legs off of everyone that has ruined his life. Cut the legs off them. She said she felt uneasy being around Barrett, so she left the room he was in according to the report. She believed that his threats should be taken seriously.
Starting point is 01:57:07 He was transferred from the ER to a regional mental health facility for 24 hours of evaluation and placed under mandatory hold to prevent him from leaving on his own. Mammoth police were waiting for Barrett in the parking lot when he was discharged. After an interview at the station, he was arrested on two felony counts of stalking and making criminal threats. Yep. While in a holding cell, he tied a shoelace around his neck and then to a doorknob and, and, what he claimed was a suicide attempt. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:39 No. Small one. Come on. Help me with my fucking fall. You could help me with my fucking fall. An officer intervened and simply untied the shoelace. That's how he thwarted the attempt. Pulled the bunny ear.
Starting point is 01:57:55 Didn't exactly Aaron Hernandez the deal where he put like shit down. He would swoop and pulled it, James. Yeah. This guy had bunny ears happening with his fucking hanging. attempt. Oh, man. Court records show that he went back to harassing Forte and other women using burner phones and fake Instagram accounts after he's released on bail. Yeah. Then Forte goes into hiding. Uh-oh. She was trying to isolate herself. In 2018, she stopped
Starting point is 01:58:22 climbing and invested in a security system for her home. In 2019, she closed her PR agency, not wanting to have a public profile. Wow. In 2022, death threat pushed deeper into hiding. She moved to a high security gated complex and turned down work that required her to appear in public. Bonnie Headland, too, was still in the mix here, which is crazy. Holy shit. She got a middle of the night call from Barrett in June of 2022 after her protective order had expired. Oh, boy. In the summer of 2022, Barrett's offered another deal by the Mono or Mono County Deputy District Attorney. He pleaded no, contest to one misdemeanor count of threatening with intent to terrorize.
Starting point is 01:59:08 Stalking charge dismissed. He's always offered fucking deals. He always takes the deal and then would return to his routine, which he did here. He texted Bill Ramsey in June asking Ramsey to take his side while saying something about Forte. Quote, if you want to be a part of the stand against women ruining men, you're more than welcome. I'm so damn happy she's going down. Okay. So then he's arrested by federal authorities in charge with sexually assaulting the woman in Yosemite, remember? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:42 Yeah. The indictment charges him with three felony counts, including aggravated sexual assault. Wow. I don't see how you're going to get a misdemeanor out of this. No, you can't plea that one. No, he's 38 at this point, too. It ain't cute, dude. This is a lot.
Starting point is 02:00:01 So he appeared before a judge and was given. in a deferred judgment for the misdemeanor violation with no jail time. Huh? This is for the stalking, I guess. Forte was terrified by the prospect of him being free. In a victim impact statement, she read at the hearing, she talked about how various police officers had advised her to buy a gun to protect herself. One told her, Barrett can snap and victims end up dead.
Starting point is 02:00:28 She said, today I'm begging the court to help me not end up as that victim. I do not believe the plea deal or telling Mr. Barrett not to drink will bring this to an end. Right. After she finished, they emphasized that Barrett was not to contact her under any circumstance. The judge told Barrett that it's time to straighten up and fly right, Mr. Now? Now. That's if.
Starting point is 02:00:51 All right. He said, you're in that subculture of incredibly brave people who free climb up mountains that most people wouldn't think of climbing at all. What does this have to do with the rape charge? That is strength. That is perseverance. That is mental discipline that few ever reach. But you need to apply that to your personal conduct as well. Yeah, 15 years ago.
Starting point is 02:01:12 Now we're past that. So when he walked out of the courtroom, he's immediately arrested by federal authorities. Yeah. A 2022 detention hearing in Fresno, a federal judge denied his release on the grounds that he's an ongoing threat to the safety of his victims. That's good. Basically, they're saying that judging by the pretrial court filings, it looked like his lawyers are going to attack KG's credibility. Court documents say that, quote, she takes medication to treat a bipolar diagnosis. And at the time of the incident, she maintained a personal website dedicated to amateur erotic photos.
Starting point is 02:01:51 So the fuck what? Yeah. Is the website's name, Rate Me Inafield.com? Because if not, then I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. If it's just called OnlyFans, that's about 30% of women, I believe. You're right. Jesus. When she and Barrett met in August 2016, the defense says she used her phone to show Barrett photos in which she was posing bound and topless.
Starting point is 02:02:16 Oh, boy. In a responding motion, the prosecution pointed out that there's no logical connection between seeing erotic photos and consent. None. That's different. No. I've seen a lot of porn, James. I get to fuck all those women? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:30 If I run into them, I get to fuck all of them? When someone hits post, that means if you see them, open season on them, apparently. Well, these gals better watch out. That's his legal filing. We'll see if it works in court first before he start making it. Yeah, that's a great point. Let's see how this plays out.
Starting point is 02:02:50 So the judge grants a motion from the defense to question KG about the photographs during trial, which is stupid. Noting a ruling from last November, defendant argues that seeing the photographs gave him a reasonable impression that KG expected to engage in rough sex with him. Wow. Or she wanted you to go, I like your color fucking, your color correction you do on your photographs. Thank you is what you're supposed to say. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:19 Those are amazing. Cool. Also, they granted a request for the defense to obtain records from KG's mental health providers. Okay. Wow. Motions for prosecution indicate that its case will focus not only on the sexual assault charges, but a pattern of predatory behavior revealed in his long, long, long shit here.
Starting point is 02:03:41 Okay. Now, threads on Mountain Project.com and Instagram wrestled with what to make of the news. Some wondered if it could be true. Charlie seemed like such a nice guy. Why'd the victim wait so long? You know, things like that. That month, author and climber John Crackauer weighed in. That's a guy from last week.
Starting point is 02:04:04 That's weird. Different guy, though. Posting on his Instagram page about Barrett's arrest. And his name evidently is Cracker, James. Cracker. And you know what? That's what I thought. That's crazy.
Starting point is 02:04:13 In the rest of the world, it's not Cracker, but in Australia. That's a Cracker, eh? They don't know what the hell are talking about. Barrett's arrest and let's see. Oh, yeah, on his Instagram page about Barrett's arrest. and urging other victims to contact police. Hoof. So, now, a lot of people are saying, a lot of his friends, though,
Starting point is 02:04:37 Barrett's friends are saying that this guy writing articles is hurting Barrett's chances of getting a fair trial. Okay. One person said, best to leave the police work to the police. And please bear in mind, he might actually be innocent. If Barrett, so Cracker responded, if Barrett had been arrested for a different crime, And I doubt you'd be posting this. Sexual assault is probably the only crime in which the victim is assumed to be lying.
Starting point is 02:05:00 You should be much more concerned about the victim getting a fair trial, not Barrett. Rapists almost always escape accountability. Well, yeah, because 90% of it isn't even fucking reported. So that's true, actually. Wow. So this is all going on here. They said that another friend said his behavior toward women got more aggressive over the years. It's a hard subject to talk about because many climbers feel complicit in what happened.
Starting point is 02:05:29 If someone is misbehaving in our community, what is our responsibility to intervene? Okay. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, Mike Wickwire put it a little more concise here. He said, this man has been a parasite in our community for decades, and we, myself included, have enabled him. Charlie's a talented climber and extremely gregarious. Plus, his history of mental health issues made it. easy for all of us to make excuses for him.
Starting point is 02:05:57 We as a community failed. We failed as victims and allowed him to continue victimizing. I hope he's held accountable and that the women violated find some closure. Let's do better. So he said that he recalls instances where other climbers lied about their ascents and were banished. No one would climb them or believe what they said. He's like, just for someone who lied about going up a mountain one time. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:22 This is a lot. So, and also being a woman climber is dangerous. You're in the middle of your goddamn mountain. Somebody could pop out of nowhere. Who the hell knows? So that's a big deal. So when Barrett was arrested in 2022, Bonnie Headland started climbing again for the first time in a long time. She said she's working up the courage to get to the buttermilks where she wanted to go.
Starting point is 02:06:47 She stopped sleeping with a baseball bat under her bed, so that's positive. She said there's just been a lot of trauma. she said what worries her most is Barrett's younger, more recent victims, especially if there's some who are reluctant for whatever reason to talk about what happened. So, yeah. So if he's convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of life in this case. So this reporter says, after I started reporting, I quickly learned that Barrett had a way of scaring people. As I gathered from a variety of sources, federal court documents, city and county police reports. sports, social media, climbing websites, and interviews with his friends, acquaintances, and
Starting point is 02:07:27 former girlfriends. Barrett had been accused of tactics that included death threats, physical and online stalking, threats of lawsuits, breaking into residences, anonymous phone calls from burner phones, trolling on Instagram, spreading lies to get people fired from their jobs and impersonating a police officer. Good Lord. It's a lot. It's a lot of accusations. My attempts to reach Barrett for an interview were unsuccessful, and the lawyers currently representing him didn't respond to interview requests.
Starting point is 02:07:53 So even after Barrett was jailed and denied bail, some of his alleged victims and other acquaintances were reluctant to talk. One woman said, what if he gets out? I know I'm on his hit list. Wow. June 2020, motion from prosecutors in the Yosemite case contains a description of what Barrett made, of a call Barrett made to a friend on October 17, 2022. Quote, they discussed what action Barrett should take against the alleged victims because they reported him. He said, oh, something will happen, that's for sure. In the courts or not. This is from a recorded call transcript.
Starting point is 02:08:33 If I don't get out of here, I got people that I made contact with because they fucking put me in here with murderers. So the court records also show how Barrett's ability to intimidate people made the Osemiti case hard to follow up on. one that Christy McGee, the investigator, said, I've talked to dozens of witnesses who've expressed fear regarding what Barrett might do to them or have otherwise confirmed that he is an unstable and often dangerous person. She said this was the most difficult case in her 20-year career, and it's a lot. There's a segment of the community who wouldn't talk to investigators or to this reporter for different reasons, an apparent desire to close ranks among one of their own.
Starting point is 02:09:18 A Park Service Law Enforcement officer assigned to the Osemiti case described this group as the old guy climbers, men in their 50 and 60s who are invested in minimizing sexual assaults and harassment while elevating climbing accomplishments. Let's not talk about the bad stuff. That's called covering up, you guys. Yeah. Holy shit. So there's a group called Safe Outside, a collaboration among data scientist Charlie Liu. from the University of Colorado, Denver, criminology researcher Callie Renison,
Starting point is 02:09:53 and former alpineist editor Katie Ives. So this is, they said their main goal was to conduct an exclusive or extensive online survey that could assess sexual assault and harassment in the climbing world. Yeah. We're trying to figure out how fucked up the climbing world is. So while Barrett's buddies managed to gloss over his threatening behavior, the safe outside survey made that more difficult. A court doc.
Starting point is 02:10:18 describes how a data analyst for the project who sifted through thousands of responses from climbers around the world noted similarities in various descriptions of incidents said to have occurred in northern California. It appeared the analyst said that a serial assaulter might be on the loose, safe outside facilitated connections among the victims who confirmed that it was Barrett who had assaulted all of them. Right. So it's just as a huge. This is just a bad guy. Your root goes deep in your tooth. This goes all the way to the bottom to the jaw here. So when the Justice Department announced his arrest in 2022, Safe Outside posted a notice on its Facebook page about that. And they said four years after we launched the Safe Outside survey,
Starting point is 02:11:04 the first arrest resulting directly from our work finally happened. Okay. So March 1, 2004, there's an article. about how basically the rock climbing community just doesn't want to talk about him now. Yeah. They just don't want to talk about him here. They're talking about during his, all of this,
Starting point is 02:11:25 there's tons of women that are willing to testify and all this shit. According to Christy McGee, one assault of a 19-year-old victim began by aggressively kissing her, not slowing down or stopping when asked, ripping out her nose ring when she tried to create distance, and continuing even though she straight, out her arm and pressed it against his chest and told him to stop.
Starting point is 02:11:48 Barrett then strangled her to the point where she didn't know if she lost consciousness or not and then sexually assaulted her. Oh, boy. So this is a lot. This is a fucking lot. Wow. So, yeah, people were describing him as he used to be this funny, charismatic, goofy guy. And, wow.
Starting point is 02:12:09 One person said he is 100% responsible for his actions. He knew what he was doing. and he made those choices. He's a monster, unfortunately. Yes. So they said that one guy said, I didn't think the bad stuff was there back when we used to hang out with him.
Starting point is 02:12:26 That's Summit from the beginning, remember him? He said, something changed and he got really dark. He said that once he discovered the extent of all this, Summit regretted ever giving him the benefit of the doubt. So I don't know what I was thinking there. This guy's a fucking jackass.
Starting point is 02:12:42 So one guy, he had, said, it's unbelievably shocking to see the pattern of behavior had gone on for so long. With someone you thought you knew. Right. Someone you thought you knew. Speaking of people who you think you knew. Uh-huh. I might feel sorry for a lot of people in this story, but not nearly as sorry as I feel for Charles Barrett.
Starting point is 02:13:05 Oh, boy. Ph.D. NCSP. Whatever the fuck that is. coordinator of psychological services at Loudoun County Public Schools in Ashburn, Virginia. We also have Charles Barrett, communication strategist, public relations expert. Please don't think I'm that guy. He says, I hate mountain climbing. Hate it.
Starting point is 02:13:28 And Charlie Barrett catering in event sales and also author of the book, Playing to Win or Afraid to Lose. Says he works at the New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. So that's what he's doing there, Charles. Now, so this investigation's a huge spider web of shit, obviously. This goes everywhere. He's saying that, you know, I'm telling people I can get you because now I'm in here with murderers. His strategy, apparently, is that these women are unstable and all fucked up.
Starting point is 02:14:04 Yeah. And they're so unstable, he can threaten them with his cellmates, and they will clam up. not testify. That's what he's trying to get to. That's what he's banking on. That's what he's banking on. So he, at one point here, they talk about how this
Starting point is 02:14:21 2017, that one where he showed up and refused to leave and they responded and they said at least two additional times for similar conduct. He'd been reported for that for physically attempting to break into that one woman's house. Holy shit. It's a shitload here. June 4th,
Starting point is 02:14:39 uh, 2024. He is found guilty of two counts of aggravated sexual abuse and one count of abusive sexual contact for the weekend in Yosemite with KG. Uh, the U.S. attorney said Barrett's long history of sexual violence supports, he wants a life sentence. He said that supports a life sentence.
Starting point is 02:15:02 He used his status as a prominent climber to assault women in the rock climbing community. Uh, when when his victims began to tell, Barrett responded by lashing out publicly with threats and intimidation. So there's something there. The judge says, I got something to say to you, young man. It doesn't say how wonderful he is about climbing. He says, you, sir, may fuck off life in prison.
Starting point is 02:15:24 Holy! Got dicks for you. And the buffet line starts that way, asshole. Eat those dicks. So life in prison. Wow. So they said, it's just. And a lot of this was because he continued while in prison to threaten and harassed people.
Starting point is 02:15:43 So, like, there is no stopping this guy. No, no, no, no. He's going to be a menace forever. And December 9th, 2025, just recently, he loses his court appeal. Oh, that's true. The United States Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court's conviction of a life sentence and told him to keep on keeping on and fuck off. You're a terrible rapist.
Starting point is 02:16:05 They said he has a pattern of terrorizing victims and a clear lack of remorse. Uh-huh. And so he's... What happened to this guy? That's what I mean. What the fuck is going on? He seemed like just a regular kind of slacker scumbag. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:18 High school, you know, I smoked weed and drink beer, like my friends, except... But he's way worse. But he's way worse, because, yeah, we wouldn't have been cool with the rape. Yeah. KG said, I was afraid for my safety in the panicked way I was before I was detained because the appeal process, she said, scared her. The idea that it could come under undone after we, the other victims, the investigator, the prosecutors, the rest of the legal team, my family, my allies, myself, had done everything we could to pursue safety through the legal system was utterly terrifying. I started planning considering where I could hide out and how I could leave the country to evade retaliation if the conviction was overturned. Wow.
Starting point is 02:17:03 That's, this is, he's a fucking asshole, this guy. No shit. So, yeah, there was a bunch of a piece. and they all go down in flames at this point, unless the Supreme Court picks it up, which I don't think they're talking about a rapist, right? This isn't making any precedence or anything. This is just some scumbag rapist.
Starting point is 02:17:21 And that's that. So he said, they said, I'm sure if there is ever true closure after trauma happens in your life. I'm not sure if there ever is. It's more like learning to carry an emotional backpack you never asked for, but over time you figure out how to walk with it. Today, the backpack feels a lot lighter like someone removed a few extra rocks.
Starting point is 02:17:44 He's currently being held at the United States Penitentiary in Tucson. Hey. Hey, there you go. Can't get enough of this piece of shit? Well, his Bishop Bouldering 2 by Charlie Barrett climbing guide is $140 on eBay. What? What the fuck is in there?
Starting point is 02:18:05 A treasure map to somewhere The mountains? He's just a gold de blooms everywhere when he can get this map. Is there a treasure map in the back to the lost Dutchman mine? I think there might be. Holy shit. This is the legend of Curly's Gold, I believe, is on the back of it. Follow the.
Starting point is 02:18:26 Mammoth bouldering by Charlie Barrett. Also, $95. $95. What is? Is there a, a year? Yearly passed to the National Forest in there? What's going on? I don't know what the fucking deal is.
Starting point is 02:18:40 But there you go, everybody. Wow. That is Charles Barrett. A hell of a goddamn tale. A terrible guy. And it's nice that he's in jail. That's a nice bit of closure on him. Fuck that guy.
Starting point is 02:18:53 Not even a pair of Solomon's for sale that he wore or something. Nothing. Nothing. There's no like, I don't know, just his book. No carabiners he touched. Nothing. God, not a goddamn. I'm not even like a rope that he tied a woman up with.
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