Crime in Sports - Some Bizarrely Bizarre Murders - Robert Rozier - Part 5

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

This week, we continue this murderous story, with Robert being a witness at the trial of 15 murders. He's quite the character on the stand, wearing his hair in a unique way, and brazenl;y showing no r...emorse for his murders. Yahweh himself also takes the stand to deny even having "followers", and claiming everyone is taking "kill white devils" the completly wrong way, and he actually only wants love & peace, while we just heard about brutal murder details. At the same time, people involved with the trial keep dying. Coincidence?   Take the witness stand & claim that even though you murdered, it wasn't your fault, wear your hair in a single braid, hanging off the left side of your head, and listen to Yahweh Ben Yahweh himself tell you how you have it it all wrong with Robert Rozier - Part 5!!   Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:00:12 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to crime in sports. Yay! Hey, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrick Allo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Starting point is 00:00:35 It's more cult murder action. It's going to be a lot of fun. Can't wait. Thanks for joining us. I hope you're enjoying this series about this cult. I mean, it's about Robert Rozier, but in all honesty, he hasn't been in it for half of it because it's about this cult,
Starting point is 00:00:50 which you need to talk about because he comes back into it in a big way here. There's a reason. So we'll get into all that and more and more murder and mayhem and madness and also more unrelated Florida news, which is always fun in these episodes. Here, I love our side tracks on those,
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Starting point is 00:02:21 Okay. They did the sentencing, which normally we just tell you this is what happened. But the fact that more like really interesting facts came out about the whole thing, including her kid statements which contradict everything she said that night and makes her such a worse, more cold-hearted, awful murder. And her allocution is just bat-shut off-the-charts crazy. It's crazy stuff. I can't wait to get into it. Corey Richens Part 3.
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Starting point is 00:03:11 And that said, I think it's time, everybody. Let's do this. Let's dive into this again. Here we go. We're going to start back on May 25th, 1991, and there is a new guy who is flipped on Yahweh. Okay. People are jumping off of this ship a lot, and especially people charged with murder are being, they want to make a deal here or being charged in the orbit of murders.
Starting point is 00:03:37 And I think, too, because if this was a different, this was like a gang or like even a different, religion, you go, okay, if I tell on them, I'll go to prison and it'll be bad for me in prison, too. Yeah. It'll be worse. But this is just some weird little cult. Like, it's not going to, they don't have a prison, a Yahweh prison gang back then. You know what I mean? And, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:01 It's like the Crips. Right. And they don't have them already locked up in jail either where they can get you. That's what I mean. So it's really in jail. You just be like, yeah, these crazy fucks. And everyone would be like, yeah, really. And join some other weird religion in jail.
Starting point is 00:04:14 and get whatever meals they get. Who cares? So this guy has agreed to testify truthfully, obviously. This is Ricardo Woodside, whose name was, wow. Zerababal Israel. Zerubabel. What is that? Z-E-R-U-B-A-B-B-B-B-L, or B-B-B-E-L.
Starting point is 00:04:40 So Zerababel, Israel. He was charged with trying to kill a dissident Eric Burke after Yahweh allegedly ordered the hit. And also indicted is his brother, Woodside's brother Maurice, who doesn't have a fun name. It just goes by Maurice. He hasn't been given a fun cult name yet. He's still Maurice, unfortunately, for him. Still new. But this guy, in exchange for this testimony, wow.
Starting point is 00:05:10 This guy was indicted for murder. And he will serve five years in prison and pay a fine of, are you ready for this? Brace yourself, $50. So you murdered some five years and a jaywalking fine. That's 50 bucks. 50 bucks, essentially here, which is wild. I guess Burke managed to escape the execution by shooting at his would-be assassin. So they didn't even get this guy.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Ricardo Woodside was also accused of helping others behead Yahweh Sassi. Aston Green, somebody else, another Yahweh member named Aston Green, who we've talked about, who has head chopped off with the sword. Wow. Woodside, who's a respiratory technician who left the cult name. A respiratory tech. You never know who believes what. Some weirdo and scrubs, man, they could really be a nut.
Starting point is 00:06:03 You never know. I mean, I suppose your Amazon Prime driver might have some wild shit that he believes. And if you put everybody in a uniform, they just all, look the same. Everyone in Scrubs looks the same. Everyone in an Amazon shirt looks the same. So it's like, your flabotomous might be a goddamn lunatic. It might be. You never goddamn no. So that's what's been going on here. So he testified before a grand jury investigation. And that's what's going on. Woodside was held without bail. And now he's going to get bail, obviously, because he's doing this. Now, in other unrelated Florida news, this is from the same day, nude bar impresario faces extortion charge.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Here we go. Now we're talking about strip club fucking intrigue. The nudie bar has got an extortion attempt. That's right. Are they being extorted or are they extorting? Let's get into it. The nude bar guy is extorting somebody else, possibly another nude bar. Let's find out.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Nude Bar Empresario Michael J. Peter, his last name is Peter, which is funny. Peter. Peter was arrested Friday in charge with kidnapping and extortion on allegations. He forced a business rival into Peter's White Rolls Royce. That's nice. Wow. He is pimping a lot of titties. Let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:07:24 That's expensive. Drove off and threatened to harm him. The rival Carmen Sincerelli, a recruiter of nude dancers, was released without injury. That's some job. You know what that is. A recruiter of new dancers. Nice tits. Come work for me.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Otherwise known as a pimp generally. I mean, I get that's not prostitution, but it's... Otherwise known as the DJ. Go out and look for girls who'd be willing to take their clothes off. Who you think would be willing to take their clothes off for money. Just can you scope them or does he go to other strip clubs and recruit them? Would you show those for five bucks? Nope, next.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Just hold out of 20 and go, well, what would you show me for this? this. Nothing? It's a pretty easy gig. Police said Peter, who owns five South Florida nightclubs, worth millions of dollars, told the recruiter to stop approaching women performing at Peter's establishment. So this guy didn't work for him. He's...
Starting point is 00:08:20 Stop approaching. Some guy came in trying to get his girls. Yeah. And he said, you know, bitch chose me. That's what he did some tip. I'm going to ask you to stop coming around. Yeah. Did some iceberg slim shit on him here.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Yeah. threw him in his car. Okay. Peter's lawyer said, I guess his name Fred Haddad, said Peter, whose company was based in Fort Waterdale would plead guilty. He faces a maximum sentence of life in prison. Wow. So, yeah, that's interesting. Also here this day, May 25, 1991, Yahweh is seeking a dismissal of this murder case. Oh. And the case is against 17 other Yahwehs. beneath them as well. They said it's being, they said the racketeering statute is being improperly applied and would serve to chill the religious expression of Yahweh members. Well, guess what? Join the fucking club. They used the racketeering act against a statute against Italians improperly
Starting point is 00:09:24 applied since fucking the mid-70s. So join the club, asshole. Now you guys get it to. They had to chill the spaghetti suckers. It's your turn too. Now it's you, dick face. There you go. So, yeah, and they're also saying that they should dismiss it because Robert Rozier will not be a credible witness as well. Oh, because he's, you know, trying to get his sentence reduced and he got to reduce sentence. So God forbid he can't possibly tell the truth. June 6th, 1991, member of the Yahweh sect arrested in Michigan. They say all but one of the 19 suspects in the racketeering and murder case against the sect known as the Yahwehs have been arrested. They announced Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Ardmore Canton, the 3rd, is arrested on a two. night in Michigan in Saginaw there. He was wanted on a warrant charging him and 16 others with federal racketeering laws and murder and arson and all that good shit here. Rico stuff. They tracked him to a Saginaw area apartment, which sounds depressing, which he surrendered. It's in Michigan. It is, yeah. This was up in Michigan.
Starting point is 00:10:28 So they say only one other person is on the loose now at this point. June 17th, 1991, we got another flipper here. Michael Mathis has decided to testify, and in exchange for that, he will be given a two-and-a-half-year prison term suspended. Six months in prison and then five years of probation. That's a pretty good deal. I would fucking say so, but he must testify against Yahweh at the trial. Oh. So he's the second defendant to agree to testify against Yahweh.
Starting point is 00:11:07 We just told you about Ricardo Woodside. And there you go. Now also July 2, 1991, one of the Ernest Lee James, who goes by Ahnidad Israel, I guess, is hospitalized. So he's not going to be able to be in this for the moment. Some guy, I don't know what happened to him, but he had to. Metavacom somewhere. Oh, my God. They said he became,
Starting point is 00:11:37 well, this is not for a medical purpose. This is more of a mental illness. He became schizophrenic and began hallucinating. So they took him in for a little breaky poo. And so let's give you a rest, Chief. Who knows? I mean, if you're crazy enough to join a fucking cult like this, I mean, probably just on the edge anyway.
Starting point is 00:11:59 That's what I mean. I feel like a lot of these people are a, slight shove in there. They're in a lot of trouble. They're going to need to be medevac'd somewhere. Just to that little shove there. So Yahweh's supermarket closes down on the 4th of July. It closed abruptly.
Starting point is 00:12:16 It was the largest in Overton. And it's now closed. And they said they can't afford to keep it open. Remember, they were talking about how much there was like nobody in the aisles. They didn't have any customers. And now it's getting worse. because there's a giant conspiracy and murder trial going on. So, yeah, that's what they did.
Starting point is 00:12:38 And now they're kind of fucked. They said they actually had a nice reputation. One of the locals said it was cleaner than any of the other big chains. The people were nice. Because of their reputation, they didn't have any violence or nonsense. So the locals were actually upset about it because it was the nicest grocery store in the area. Now it's gone. So in other unrelated Florida news,
Starting point is 00:13:01 mother may face execution for drowning two sons. Oh, shit. Yes, a woman was found guilty. Veronica Perdue was found guilty, and they were deciding whether she should be sentenced for death, sentenced to death or not. Yeah, now she claims this is a very, like a Susan Smith, Diane Downs type of situation, it sounds like here.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Apparently, the prosecutor speculated the woman killed the kids for insurance money, but the grandparents had stopped paying the premiums on one of the policies, and her claim was rejected in the other. So she testified during her sentencing that she was raped and sodomized by three masked men who forced her car off the road. Oh, no. While she was being dragged from the car, she testified she heard her four-year-old son scream, Mommy, save me from the monster.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Oh, Jesus. She said she searched in vain for the boys in the woods, and in a nearby pit. The boys' bodies were found later that morning floating in a water-filled pit. And they found that there was no monster? There's no monster, or three monsters in this case. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:14:15 So, yeah, that's the same thing. Remember Diane Downs said the same thing. Yeah, she did say two... Did she say two black men? She said two black men? And then she shot one of the, you know, all that or shit. So in the 17 months since the boys died, Purdue has changed her story.
Starting point is 00:14:30 several times, but none of those earlier versions included rape allegations. She just came up with that during sentencing. Well, now it was three masked men who raped, which you'd think that'd be the first thing you'd be screaming as three guys, masked and sotabies being killed my kids. I assure you, that's the first thing that you think of, because that's horrid. Yeah, and the assistant district attorney said, your babies had just been killed by these three men that you say raped you, and you weren't going to tell anybody? You weren't going to say anything?
Starting point is 00:14:59 What up with that? And then she said, the accused, said, they accused me of killing my sons. I didn't have anything to say to them. You could have told them why you didn't kill your sons because three masked guys killed them and raped you. That would have been something. Yeah, usually when guys don't have anything to say after being accused, it's because they're crafting a way to get out of this because they didn't.
Starting point is 00:15:22 I didn't have anything to say to them, even though something that would completely clear me. And also, you know, maybe also. So get people looking for this three monsters. They're going to raping people and killing kids. They're raping out there. And they'll kill babies, but they won't kill her. They'll leave her. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:15:40 They just want to rape her. But the babies, they get to drown. Is Diane? Is Diane the lady that ended up sleeping with the jailers? She, yeah, well, yeah, she's also the one that Randall Woodfield was, like, engaged to. Remember that? Oh, well, shoot. Well, they were both in prison.
Starting point is 00:15:56 They were, like, celebrity serial killers, essentially. So they were, like, hooking up. She's, she, imagine, because she's like a marginally attractive woman. Yeah. And in prison, she kept it together from it. She ruined so many people's lives in jail. So many. So many.
Starting point is 00:16:15 There was a man that, do you know that if you're a jailer and you have sex with an inmate, you are now a registered sex. It's rape. It's right. It's always rape because you're in. For life. Yeah. It's rape. For life.
Starting point is 00:16:27 It's considered rape. Yeah. It's not possible. Even though she seduced and raped and ruined their lives. Oh, yeah. And they do it with... She's a monster. And they do it on that's, they apply that pretty equally gender-be-dammed, actually, too.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Because there's plenty of female guards who fuck inmates and they get charged with it. So it goes back and forth, too. Yeah, because they get coerced much easier. Yeah, I knew it was a rule. I didn't know it was the law. Right. Love after lockup. That was, she lost her job and was up on criminal charges for that.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Sex offender for life. For life. This guy did an interview, James, and he was talking about how he couldn't get a job for the last 30 years because he's a sex offender. And he's like, well, maybe you shouldn't be fucking inmates. Oh, he knows. I assure you, he feels terrible about it. That's a fucked up way to ruin your life forever. It's the dumbest thing you could do.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Dumbest. How dumb are you? Honestly, when you're- All the time walking around. You're married, man, and you're going to fuck her. Disgusting. People are awful. And all it was was a blowjob. He didn't even fuck her. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Isn't that horrible? What an idiot. Look a moron. This dumb twat here, fucking baby killing lady Purdue here. Earlier her story, she told the police about being forced off the road by three men, but she said she escaped but left her sons behind. She escaped to seek help but left her kids back there with carjackers. And rapists and, yeah. Well, they weren't rapists yet.
Starting point is 00:17:59 in that story. They just forced her off the road. The kids somehow got out of the car, and she took off and just left the kids behind with a couple of fucking carjackers. I'll be right back. I'm going for help. When she was asked about her inconsistencies
Starting point is 00:18:12 in the story, you know, between running away and being sodomized and big differences. She said, I was upset. I don't remember what I said. Wow. I mean, this is not a good showing in court, everybody. No, not a quality of defense.
Starting point is 00:18:27 A terrible, terrible sentence. defense. In closing arguments, the defense said that the police investigation had glaring inconsistencies. Yes, everything she said was glaringly inconsistent. So here we go. July 7, 1991, Yahwehs lose control of flagship motel. Oh, no. They lost control of their flagship Sunny Isles Motel after missing almost three months of mortgage payments. Uh-oh. That's that. So apparently they owed, uh, they were trying to pay back their credit.
Starting point is 00:18:59 and couldn't do it. And now they have a... That's right. They said the motel had a slow summer. And, yeah, that's it. So, it's closed down. People around the neighborhood said the service is good. The price is reasonable.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Okay. And then they also said, this one guy, Jose Santiago, who moved in Saturday, said, the price is reasonable. And he said he knew the Yahwehs maintain ownership of the building. And he said, that's fine with him because, quote, people are people facts people are people
Starting point is 00:19:32 gee you're really that's deep man he's running some some philosophical shit in the newspaper today philosophical shit that also is 80 song lyrics just people are people it's fine
Starting point is 00:19:45 real philosophical so yeah the Yahwehs that was their biggest deal July 8th 1991 they're losing control of another motel so they're really having some problems here. August 1991, they may lose the Temple headquarters. They stopped making mortgage payments,
Starting point is 00:20:05 the lender said. Don't do that. No, they're headquarters at 2766, Northwest 62nd Street. They quit making their payments monthly of $7398.40. Yeah, well, I mean, any time there's a balance owed and you stop making the payments, you're definitely going to lose that. Yeah. They aren't going to let you keep doing that. The lawsuit against them says they owe $469,065 in one cent plus interest, court costs, and attorney's fees. If the property is foreclosed on the Yahuas will lose more than $175,000 in equity. Records show they're also in arrears on their taxes, too, their property taxes there. Oh, no. Not good. Not fucking good. Don't fall behind on payments or taxes, man. You're losing your shit. Don't do it. Yeah, that's, that's the thing. You fall behind on to banks and the government,
Starting point is 00:21:04 those are two entities that take your shit. It's the, it's really the only two that really take your shit. That can really get a hold of it. Yeah. They can really, other people can sue you and they can try to get your assets, but they can just directly take it. They'll just come take your keys. Take it. It's fucking crazy. Nothing you can do about it. Wild. So the sales here, though, Jimmy, is what we need to talk about this day. Never mind losing control of motels and supermarkets. It's the sales. Let's go to COD.
Starting point is 00:21:33 That's like, you know, an acronym. Cash on delivery, yeah. But it's not because it's also COD. C-O-D. Seafood. Codd. Yeah, where's this at? It's down in, where is this in Florida? Florida. Yeah, Miami.
Starting point is 00:21:47 I know this is Fort Lauderdale or Miami. Catch our seafood blowout. All you need to do are clip these newspaper coupons here. Say you know it's a classy seafood restaurant that they want newspaper coupons from you. Walk in with some shreds of paper. Here you go. And you can get mullet for 99 cents a pound. Mullet.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Mollet. What is that fish? I don't know, but it sounds trashy, doesn't it? It's probably not good. It sounds like a trash fish just because I imagine. I just picture it looking like Theo Vaughn. I don't want to eat that. I don't want to eat that.
Starting point is 00:22:25 some Turkish bot hair. Yeah, some weird overseas plugs situation going on here. Imagine fish with hair. Nobody wants that. That's disgusting. I don't want to eat fish that has hair. Especially poorly installed. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Also, you can get a conk number one. Oh, yeah. Whatever it is. 475 a pound. Conk is a shell, in it? Yeah, it's like a big clam. And there's like a thing in there? Clam type of thing, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:54 some sort of mollusk, I guess. There's some sort of thing that you put salt on and it dies inside there. Yeah. You can save $2 on a four-pound box of breaded shrimp, ready for frying, only $28. Ready for frying. Also, a blue marlin filet, $3.49 a pound. So that's not bad. Now, this offer does, everybody out there who's thinking about, because the offer does expire on September 4th, 1991.
Starting point is 00:23:22 So, hurry. Yeah. That's when it all goes back. That's when it all goes. I got to hurry. Before that, the cons will be rotten right out of their shells at that point. Then it's all free and it'll be out in the out.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Yeah, then you got to fight the cats for it, but you can get it. You can get it. Fight the stray cats and Theo Baum. Yeah, you're going to have to, you're going to have to punch a tortie, but it's going to, you'll get it eventually. Don't worry. He's out there sucking it, sucking a con. out of a shed. I don't know why, but I pictured him like with all the cats.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Like, it's not just having that a bunch of cats. He's part of the cats. I don't know why. Yeah. He's like sitting on the ground with a bunch of cats. Riggled together. The tail on the back of his head is wriggled together with the cats. With the cats.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Yeah. Like a cat king. Yeah. All tangled up and shit. Oh, that's weird. So August 5th, 1991. There's a big article about how the whole hundred million dollar empire is, is in danger.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Oh, no. They said it was a miracle to build this kind of empire in less than 10 years, but they said it's not going well. Well, I mean, if things are, I don't like when they value something like that, because that number sounds like we're doing well. If you've got a $100 million empire, but they're taking it piece by piece, you don't have a $100 million empire. No, they're dismantling it. Yeah. It's not an empire. It's coming apart.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Yeah. they put up, I guess, an ad in the Miami Times, the Yahweh, and it said, why is the U.S. government attacking Yahweh Ben Yahweh? Why does the government want to put an end to his good works? What if Yahweh Ben Yahweh is the Christ promised to return? Oh, what if? Egg on your face. Let me tell you something. Boy, are you going to look silly. Going to look real dumb. You are going to just be eating your words later, buddy. Really embarrassed. Really embarrassed. We prosecute violations of federal law,
Starting point is 00:25:26 not a religious principle, was the answer to that, by the way. So it's been crumbling, but it's getting worse here. Apparently, they're talking about the foreclosure on a hotel, the foreclosure on a second motel, losing their whole supermarket thing. Up to that, I guess one of the attorneys
Starting point is 00:25:47 for one of the creditors said they just stopped making payments. And they said, We thought they did a good job with the property, and they had paid regularly, but it all just went away here. They stopped making all their mortgage payments. We can't do that. So if you just stop paying for shit. Yeah, you don't own it if you stop paying. You've got to keep paying for it.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Hello, this is M. William Phelps. You might know me from my number one Apple podcast hit, Paper Ghosts, or one of close to 50 true crime books. I've been an investigative journalist in the true crime space for 25 years and now have a weekly podcast crossing the line with M. William Phelps where I delve into a new missing person or murder case each week. Get it wherever you get your favorite shows. They said most of the property doesn't have much equity in it and that's that. One of the release from the cult actually was Yahweh Ben-Yawai offers proof to the world that he has the wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of how to establish a system and organization that's able to educate and employ the people of Earth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:02 All of them, apparently. So, yeah, they're talking about the trial starting. And this is, I mean, Miami, this is some hot shit news down here. Yeah, I believe. That this, those, the weirdos who've been walking around in robes for the last 10 years are now on trial for shitloads of murders. They also own shit in other cities too. Really? Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, and a hotel in downtown Atlanta, which remember that one lady
Starting point is 00:27:27 went to work at. November 16th, 1991, the Yahwehs, this is the anniversary of Yahweh Ben Yaweh being arrested. They make a public call in the Atlanta voice for the release of their leader. They wanted to release. Public call for it. Public call, yeah, they said this is ridiculous. they have reiterated their demand for his release from a Miami federal prison on the anniversary of the day. He was arrested and imprisoned under the so-called racketeering influence corrupt organization.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Yeah, there's been plenty. That's exactly what it's called. That's exactly what it's called. And again, stop acting like you're the first fucking people they've used this on. Okay? It's not fair. Okay. There's plenty of fucking old guinea sitting in a prison for 100 years because some shit happened they didn't even fucking know about.
Starting point is 00:28:15 because that's how you do this and that's how it works. They're 83 years old and they got 200 years. Yeah, exactly. They said they arrested him because he's a founder and head of Yahweh and therefore is ultimately responsible for the nation or for the action of the nation. I would say so. I mean, that's, it's an organization. And they said that their lawyers are basically saying that, you know, other religions are
Starting point is 00:28:44 out there doing crazy shit, you don't put them in jail. Sure. He said there are a number of other religious groups who have made the same statements about the prophecies of the Bible and how glad they would be when that fulfillment happens. They aren't in jail. Were they actively trying to get to the fulfillment of killing everybody on earth? Yeah. And take heads off of people?
Starting point is 00:29:04 Is that what you're going for? So they postponed the trial three times. And that's what they're all complaining about. They're just trying to basically, the longer they delay, the more they can get people to flip on Yahweh is what they're complaining about, which is one of the things they do. Sure. The longer they sit in jail on no bail, the more they want to get out of jail. And if they see if you flip, you get bail, I mean.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Certainly sucks to be in there. Yeah. Like in Arizona, the jail is so shitty as opposed to prison, which is also shitty, but not nearly as shitty as jail in Arizona. Yeah. It's so bad that the prosecution intentionally delays trials to get you to just plea bargain. you're so broken for getting you to be so uncomfortable in there and hate life that you just it's so bad in there there's tons of people who just say i don't fucking care if i did it or not they're never going to let me go and i'd rather just get to prison where there's like air conditioning
Starting point is 00:29:59 and food this is crazy i want something a little bit better yeah this is fucking miserable so people break november 30th 1991 um yahway ben yaweh is speaking out against the persecution that's taking place here. Yeah, he said, you must understand that this is an attack in reality on all religions. Oh. Yes, he wants to circle the wagons here, get everybody involved. Yeah, this is what they all do, these cults. Well, I mean, if you're coming down on me, you're coming down on everybody.
Starting point is 00:30:34 But they are using Yahweh to attack us first. Oh, that's what he said. He said, I'm ready to come out of prison and make America prosperous again. That's a funny thing for a cult leader to say, huh? Remember, I have the key to go from poverty to riches. Only I know. Do you? Weird.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Every cult leader, they're the only person that knows an answer to something. I know how to do. I've done it before. Billions of people in the world, but they're the only ones that know. It's crazy. They've been told a secret. Yeah. December 3rd, 1991, members to testify against Yahweh here.
Starting point is 00:31:17 So that's what they're talking about. Apparently, federal documents released show that Yahweh's nephew is now prepared to testify against him. And so are two sons of Yahweh's second in command, Judith Israel. Now people close to the circle are flipping. That's real bad because they know a lot of shit here. One of her sons even secretly wiretapped Israel and Yahweh and was, as an informant by the federal government. So actually fucking sat in on a conversation and wiretapped it.
Starting point is 00:31:47 These last minute revelations are in preparation for next month's trial, and it stunned the defense attorneys. They had no idea about this shit. Israel's attorney who hadn't seen the documents said, you're kidding. It's really a repugnant thing. Oh, I hate that. Really repugnant for them to want to help put murderers in jail.
Starting point is 00:32:07 He said, I think it's disgusting to turn a son against his mother. is truly a contemptible act. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's also pretty bad to cut people's heads off with swords. I think that's pretty bad too. They said the investigation has been continuing. This is the U.S. attorney.
Starting point is 00:32:26 And our evidence should not surprise anyone. Like, they shouldn't be that surprised about that. Trust me here. So, yeah, that's what's going on. And Yahweh's attorney said they're not worried about the tapes. They said the wiretap tapes. They said, I'd be shocked if there are any admissions on those tapes, and he's absolutely convinced of Yahweh's innocence. Innocent man, this Yahweh bin Yahweh.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Defense attorney said, though, you're going to have a big soap opera with this trial. Soap opera. And it comes out that five of the six secret Yahweh tapes are inaudible. Okay, I can't hear what's on them well enough. Really? Well enough to make it a legal, you know, reality. Who's wearing the wire in that instance? Judith is real son.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Oh, yeah. He was wearing a wire against that. And he wore too thick of robes that day. Yep. And also, the sect wants to be able to wear their white robes to trial. That's the other thing they're looking for. Hey, you know what? Let's look like crazy fucking freaks who are completely separate from the rest of the world.
Starting point is 00:33:32 That's a good strategy with a jury. It's really, yeah. Put a goddamn tie on like everybody else. So at least you don't look crazy. Or, or, now hear me out, we put X's on our foreheads and shave our heads. Oh, that's it. You know what? We should do that.
Starting point is 00:33:47 That's possible. Maybe we should represent ourselves. Perhaps we lock arms, skip through the hallways, and sing made up songs. Or, or we just represent ourselves and we harshly go after and weirdly stare at people we've been accused of raping on the stand. That was a good strategy, too, right? condemn them as a non-binding claim on an arbitrarily claimed sovereignty. We should do that, I think. So anyway, the five of the six tapes are virtually inaudible.
Starting point is 00:34:25 That's what the defense attorney says. And a federal source also, though. The remaining tape has second in command, Judith Israel, saying only, you're kidding, when her son Kelly Gaines tells her he's been. ordered to testify about the Yahwehs before a grand jury. A defense attorney played the tape for the Miami Herald reporter. Israel's attorney, Paul McKenna, said it's not an incriminating tape. They obviously tried to bait her.
Starting point is 00:34:50 The U.S. Attorney's Office declined to release the tapes to the Herald or to publicly discuss their contents. A federal source, though, confirmed five of the six tapes had serious sound problems. A Herald reporter listened to one in which the voices were inaudible because of loud static on the tape. the defense attorney said that the other tapes were inaudible now an intert so yeah they were telling all the attorneys about the sound problems here so the inaudible tape or the audible tape gains tells his mother judith israel that the government has some new information quote unquote and he'll have to testify before a grand jury and said and she said you've got to be kidding
Starting point is 00:35:31 and then said, okay. And he said, I wanted you to know that, and she said, okay. So that's not really going to help her hurt anybody there. Just a conversation, really, right? Yeah. Now, the defense attorney said that Judith Israel was shocked at learning of her son's cooperation with the government. Both of her sons, who have drug arrests, have been visiting her since she was jail. So they've been on her side.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Now, Hastings said that Yahweh's nephew, Hastings is the defense attorney, Um, or I'm sorry, I think that's the prosecutor. God damn, there's so many people. It's confusing. Um, said that Yahweh's nephew, Anthony Solomon, who's also cooperating with the government was arrested on drug charges and told lies to countless people. So that's a defense attorney. None of their witnesses are credible. Only Yalway, been Yawai's credible. Right. Uh, they said, Hastings said whether sect members, including courtroom visitors will be allowed to wear their white robes during trial is still an issue that needs to be resolved. The U.S. District judge, uh, Rodiger. asked both prosecutors and defense attorneys to file briefs on the issue. The defense attorney said his client, quote, has no other clothing other than his jail clothes. He has no suits. Well, he has no. No suits? 90% of people they drag into fucking court don't have a suit either.
Starting point is 00:36:50 A lawyer gets them one. That's how it works. You figure out a way to go to fucking Ross and grab something. There's oftentimes a, like a, like a, you know, When you shit your pants in school and there was a bin full of clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. The Lost and Founds. I'm sure there's one of those for the court in there.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I probably. Does this making bacon shirt fit you? Wear that. It's like two pigs fucking. Yeah, does this three, the Budweiser frog saying Budweiser are on the back? Is that okay for you? How about a Big Johnson tea? What do you think?
Starting point is 00:37:26 You just have to turn it inside out. It's also two sizes too big, but that's okay. Just turn it inside out. It'll look cool. What about this Don Edwards chart? So Christmas Day, 91, it is decided. A federal judge will allow cult leader Yahweh Ben Yahweh to question witnesses at his murder trial, but he will have to do it in civilian clothes, not robes.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Okay. So it's like, you can question people, but lawyers don't wear that shit in my courtroom. You will look lawyerly. You will look lawyerly. you will wear something made a cloth as Vincent LaGuardia Gambini was told so defense attorney
Starting point is 00:38:11 Elsie Hastings said that the only clothing the leader has is white robes and turbans and has no money to buy anything else the judge ruled that the only person wearing robes in his courtroom will be himself one guy gets to wear robes in here yeah and also
Starting point is 00:38:29 you know what else you know I don't get this wooden hammer. I don't got one of those. If you wear a robe, you're going to likely wear a white one. White versus black is good versus evil. That does not have good optics. Go fuck yourself. Find a suit.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Find a fucking suit. Yeah, that's right. And he said, the nearest thing to a uniform is going to be my black robe. That's what he said. No uniforms in the courtroom. And also followers who come to the court to watch the trial will not be allowed to wear them in court either. Okay. They're not going to.
Starting point is 00:38:59 And he says also because that could be a. intimidating to a jury to look like. Sure. Yeah. The judge denied a motion to allow the robes, although the FBI paid $300 for clothing for Robert Rozier. As like, that's Omar. If you remember the wire, the guy take him for a suit. He's not going to come in wearing a fucking Fubu jacket in court and testify. Fubu jacket on a tie. And a tie. He just wrapped around. Just once around. That was great. That was great. The judge said he was afraid Yahweh would intimidate witnesses if he appears in his attire. Yeah, and it also makes him look official of some kind.
Starting point is 00:39:35 A uniform, whatever it is in our brains puts you in a different place. That's why they don't make you wear a jail uniform during your trial because it puts you in a low place rather than a high place. It also, give the, give the opportunity for you to give the jury a reason to believe that you know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Don't come in here looking like shit and then with some crazy half-cocked scheme of how to get out of this. The jury's just going to go, who the fuck is this guy? But even more, the uniforms elevate or lower you depending on what it is.
Starting point is 00:40:11 And if it's some sort of religious thing, society tends to put those people, make them more honest, even though they're just as full of shit as anybody. That uniform grants you a certain, it's the same as a police uniform or anything else. It grants you a certain benefit of the doubt that other people don't get and that, honestly, they don't deserve any more than anybody else. Just because they put a fucking uniform of any kind, religious or anything else. So anyway, the defense attorney said the Yahwehs know some of the people who will testify against them and want, he wants to personally cross-examine them. Okay. So he's going to do the Ted Bundy. So we were joking, but he's doing it.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Yeah, but he's going to do it. He's the guy from Ohio that ran people over. That guy really fucked up. Oh, he was a living. And he wore a suit, but he just, he came in with those half-cocked ideas. You can't do that. He was arguing with the judge and just a dumb shit. I'm not doing that.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Like, it was like a 10-year-old was on trial. It was fucking crazy. January 3, 1992 here. During the jury selection, the defense attorney says that, wow. Yabe Van Yawe's exhortation. to kill white devils shouldn't be taken literally. No.
Starting point is 00:41:30 I mean, you know, kill white devil there's a lot of meanings to it. I mean, it's really, you know, to most red anyway.
Starting point is 00:41:37 He could take that a lot of ways. I mean, yeah, so that's what he said, basically. Like, don't, don't hold that against him.
Starting point is 00:41:44 Come on. January 7th, 1992, they have a jury. Oh, great. And they've been making jokes and they're getting in trouble for it. Oh.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Lawyers in the trial. settled on a jury, then thought over whether jury selection should start over after some jurors admitted to joking among themselves over the sect members' turbans and ropes. Why did they do that? Just let it go. It is Florida.
Starting point is 00:42:08 I mean, they can't help it. They're going to do have brain damage. He said, they were only saying we should all come in in white turbans, they were saying we should all come in in white turbans, one jurors said. We were just kidding around. We should all come in. So we should just all come in white turbans. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:24 Ha ha, he. So the woman looked at the 16 defendants, 13 wearing the sex trademark turbines and robes, and said, quote, sorry. They said that she was nervously twisting her hands and said, sorry, she's embarrassed. I'm so sorry. Another juror said a suggestion came up in the jury room for all jurors to wear red shirts one day. I said, I didn't think that was too smart. She added, I think it was just making jokes. So they're just saying we should all like be a little group ourselves as a joke.
Starting point is 00:42:59 We aren't really going to do it. We were just joking. You know what it is? It's kind of like when you said about killing the white devils. It's not literal. We don't mean it literally. It's hyperbole. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:09 It's just when we're talking about killing people. A third juror said that she had heard a prospective juror discussed the case but dismissed it from her mind. The attorney for the indicted leader here thought the jury was seriously tainted and asked to pick a new one. Now, the judge said, I think we're okay. It's just a joke. We're good. He also rejected a defense request to find out which juror had made the jokes.
Starting point is 00:43:33 He said, quote, I'm not running a detective organization here. This judge is funny as shit. He's grumpy. I'm the only one wearing robes. What do I look like a fucking detective over here? It's guys funny. I'm not investigating anything. No.
Starting point is 00:43:48 He did lecture the jury's three men and nine women not to wise crack or discuss. the case during trial. The attorney for Ernest Lee James, known as Hinnad Ezrail, said he thought the jurors were chastened and wouldn't joke about the sect again. He said, I don't think it was a big deal. Oh, no, this is the attorney for Judith Israel said, I don't think it's a big deal. I think it's normal under these conditions. But it's Yahweh's attorney who's like, no.
Starting point is 00:44:16 The 12 jurors included a nurse, a woman who witnessed a bank robbery, and an electrician who immigrated from Hungary. Quite the group. Yeah. One juror, a woman who had run a toy factory with her husband? Who the fuck runs a toy factory? Said she was ashamed to it. What's that?
Starting point is 00:44:34 F.A.O. Schwartz? I don't know if that's a store. There's a factory. She's making. She's an elf, this woman. Once a year. Once a year. She was ashamed to admit her hobby was poker.
Starting point is 00:44:47 She said, I just got back from Vegas. Oh. Another woman. I'm like, that's my hobby. I'm a degenerate. That's my hobby. I'm a degenerate gambler. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Another woman, a bookkeeper, urged defense attorneys not to pick her. Please don't pick me. She said, you'll be glad to get rid of me. Believe me. And they laughed and kept her. Jesus. She told the judge to call her by her first name. Six alternates were also chosen, including a World War II veteran.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Okay. Wow, an old person. Back then, not that old. January 9th, 1992. Okay. An ex-sect member describes beating, ending in death. So we're going to talk about this a little bit here. Lloyd Clark said the November 1981 beating of Aston Green took place in the back room at the Sex Temple of Love.
Starting point is 00:45:37 He's the first witness called by the government. And he said he was posted as a lookout, but managed once to peek in the room and witnessed the assault for five to ten seconds. And he said Green's hands were tied. He said, all the brothers were beating him. I could see his head bouncing off the cement floor. Oh, yeah. He said one of the, whoa, he said one of the assailants, whom he did not name, was hitting green on the head with a hammer. I mean, that's not going to last, right?
Starting point is 00:46:05 Not too long. Can't do that for too, too goddamn long. After 10 minutes, he said the assailants, all members of the Yahweh sect bound green with masking tape, wrapped his bleeding body in a rug and carried him to the car trunk. He said he was alive. I could hear him moaning and gasping for air. He had tape over his mouth, but I could hear him gasping for air. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Jesus Christ. And then they also took him out and decapitated him with a machete. Wow. So that's the first of 14 murders they're going to detail. Wow. One of them said, by the way, Yahweh taught us that if the hypocrites continue to bother us, we are going to have to stop them. They must die if they continue to harass us. The guy was quoted saying.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Clark is the one witness. He said, Yahweh advised members of his sect to purchase machetes. He said, go buy a sword because that is the weapon of the choice in the script, a weapon of choice in the scriptures. And he said that Yahweh advised his followers that it was better to kill people by cutting their heads off than shooting them. That's a matter of opinion, obviously. I mean, you know, better, better, cleaner, easier. What are we talking about here? He said that Yahweh told his followers that gunshot victims might get up and run away, but if you cut their heads off, you know they're dead.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Wow, all righty. January 10, 1992, a witness said the sect cheered at news of murders. Members of the Yahweh sect cheered and clapped at a pep rally after religious leader Yahweh Ben Yahweh announced that two dissidents had been murdered. testified witness Lloyd Clark. Wow. Clark told the jurors of the celebration in 1981, but said it was a premature celebration. One of the dissidents, Mildred Banks,
Starting point is 00:47:57 survived the gunshot and machete attack. Remember that was the couple that we talked about in like the first one. Now, defense attorneys attacked Clark's credibility here because he admitted that he has stolen, cheated, and committed perjury in the past. Clark said he once stole stereo equipment, but later returned it to the owner.
Starting point is 00:48:17 However, defense lawyer Chris Mancini read to the jury one of Clark's previous statements in which he said he had pawned the equipment. Clark also said he once helped beat a man with a stick at Yahweh's request. Okay. January 14th, 1992, the Yahwehs are mad about the jail food. Oh, there's nothing good here. Yeah, they don't like it. They don't like the buffet options here. He says an indicted Yahweh sect member famished from not eating for three days began sobbing loudly Monday morning at Fort Lauderdale Court, forcing the irritated trial judge.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Oh, he must be grumpy. Imagine that. To send out the jurors and once again try to referee a food feud here. Okay. About 40 of the members, including four grown children of indicted religious leader, Yahweh Ben Yahweh, later denounced the jail as deliberately withholding kosher food from most. of the 15 defendants who observe a strict diet of fish, fresh fruit, and vegetables. Yahweh's eldest daughter described the food of the food as a malicious plot to starve them to death. By not giving them exactly what they want.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Yeah. Doing it on purpose. Doing it on purpose. U.S. District Judge Norman Rodger again, however, was not sympathetic after Job, I assume it's Job, Israel. But it's J.O.B. Joe's G.O.B. It was GOB on Whatcha Fuck, right?
Starting point is 00:49:43 Yeah, George Oscar Bluth. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. They called it. Is that his name? That's why Job is Job on Arrested Development. He's George Oscar Bluth. So it's Job.
Starting point is 00:49:55 Yeah, that's not his first name. He's junior. That makes it so much better. Which episode did I miss? A lot of them, they say that, George Oscar Blueth. They say it a lot? Yeah, maybe not a lot, but a few times. George Oscar
Starting point is 00:50:10 I really think I got a problem paying attention somewhere I think you did when I asked Jimmy if he liked the show Widows Bay that I asked him to watch this new show and he watched it
Starting point is 00:50:21 and I said did you like it and he goes I don't know and I said really what didn't you like and he said I don't think I understand it and I said
Starting point is 00:50:28 no really I was like because it's got some stuff and I'm like oh what do you think of this and he goes no I mean I don't get it
Starting point is 00:50:33 I think I need to see a doctor that's what he told me I think I need to see a doctor who was the fucking respond I need a doctor because I don't. Like this, this is mind-blowing.
Starting point is 00:50:45 How long ago was that show? I never knew Job was an acronym. That's fucking hilarious. And you probably watched it a few times, too. I have seen countless episodes of that show. That's one of those. It's a good re-watch every time. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Yeah, George Oscar Blue. G-O-B, Job. God damn it. And I love what people call him Gob. Gob-Blooth is... Yeah, I have the things on the... Captions on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:22 And that always says Job, or they say Job. And I read it every time. That's God. Oh, that's Joe. I got to go back. I'm rereading captions going, no, Jimmy, that's Joe. You need to see the doctor. I think it's malnourgment from being a child and my brain didn't develop.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Didn't develop correctly. I think it was all the, you know what it was? Too much heating up leftover spaghetti and Tupperwares. I think it was. The plastic leaked into it. I think we're all, we all suffer from that. That and going out to the racetrack three times a year to huff fucking nitro fumes. That can't be good for anybody.
Starting point is 00:52:05 It stings. It's got it. Yeah. It's going to burn a bit there. Oh, man. So Job Israel, who's given name is Richard Ingram, collapsed in loud sobs and had to be led away to a holding cell by two other defendants. Oh, no. The judge said, I want the record to note that the tears have subsided the moment the jury walked in the jury room. So the jury left and he stopped crying.
Starting point is 00:52:31 They left and he stops crying. Exactly. So Dennis Canaan, the attorney for Job Israel, said his client wasn't faking but was famished from not eating since Thursday. He said the Brower Jail offered pork and red meat, which the Yahweh faith forbids. He and other attorneys have complained before that the Brower Jail was not serving the Yahweh male defendant's kosher food. The lone female defendant Judith Israel has been receiving kosher food. The judge complained that Yahweh diet didn't appear to resemble kosher fare he'd seen. He said, I don't remember it as a salad bar.
Starting point is 00:53:06 This judge is hilarious. Yeah, what is a kosher me? in prison. Well, they have that, but that's if you're, this is a made-up religion. That's the problem. If you're in an established religion, which they know the tenants of and they know the diet of, then you get a whole meal, you get the kosher meal, they get shit like that. You can't make up a fucking religion and then say, we eat this and then expect me to provide that for you with my tax dollars. Fuck off. We eat kosher, but not that kosher. It's the kosher that we decide. Yeah, that's what I mean. The trial resumed a half hour later after U.S. Marshals provided
Starting point is 00:53:39 bread and honey to tide the Yahwehs over until lunch. That's pretty good. I mean, yeah, that's, we'll give you some energy. It's delicious. And stop your stomach from ground with the bread and honey, you'll give you some sugar. Nadea Parika Israel offered to buy food for the men. She said the jailed Yahwehs are having to wear filthy clothes. They're just tortured.
Starting point is 00:54:02 January 15th, 1992, there is witnesses saying, Yahweh Ben-Jewa, ordered his 12-year-old grandson to beat a man who'd already been attacked with a tirejack and a stick during a public execution. Shit. Yeah. They said that, wow, they gasped, they said in the courtroom, as Anthony Solomon Jr. Yawai's nephew described the gruesome 1983 slaying of the karate champion Leonard Dupree. About 60 Yahweh followers, including children, ultimately joined the mass beating. Wow.
Starting point is 00:54:34 that left him with a cracked skull shattered forehead, missing right eye, bleeding sexual organs. Oh, why does it always go? Right, right to the tick. One of the youngest participants was Yahweh's grandson, Gad or Jad is real. I'm not sure. Solomon said his own mother, Gene Solomon,
Starting point is 00:54:57 and a cousin beat the bleeding man. They said, did you hit Mr. Solomon? And he replied, yes. He testified for five hours about his uncle and violence in the sect. Several jurors took copious notes, which is probably good. Defense attorneys attacked Solomon as a lying convicted crack dealer, but he clung to his story. Some incidents he described bordered on grotesquely comic. He said defendant John Foster, known as Enoch Israel, had tried in 1981 to behead dissident
Starting point is 00:55:28 Aston Green after Green had already lost consciousness but failed. The same year, another decapitation team, armed with machetes, told Yahweh they weren't sure they had removed the head of dissonant Mildred Banks. They said, quote, wow, her head didn't come all the way off. Solomon Close, quoted one defendant. This isn't grotesquely comical. This is just grotesque. What are they talking about? Solomon quoted one defendant, Walter Lightburn, who's known as Amri Israel, as saying,
Starting point is 00:56:01 that, I guess. Banks, who survived, plans to testify. Yeah, if you tried to behead someone and they didn't were testifying. So, yeah, this is a lot. Solomon said his uncle Hugh Lawn constantly preached violence. This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. Last year, I went through many different life changes. I needed to take a pause and examine how I was feeling in the inside to better show up for the ones who need me to be my best version of myself. When you're navigating life's changes, Talkspace can help. Talkspace is the number one rated online therapy, bringing you professional support from licensed therapists and psychiatry providers that you can access anytime, anywhere.
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Starting point is 00:57:19 That's what did it? Old Uncle Hugh on there. Apparently Apparently When he says When they ordered the karate guy be killed. Yahweh ordered him punished after Dupree
Starting point is 00:57:32 grabbed a pair of scissors and called a female sex member a bitch. Yeah. Solomon testified. Dupree said he wanted to kiss the religious leader's feet. Instead, Yahweh ordered Dupree to fight lightburn and Dupree beat the shit out of him,
Starting point is 00:57:47 obviously. He's a world-class karate champion and that's when they said to kill him. He said to beat him in the head and crush his skull, Solomon said. Yep. And also Maurice Woodside. said that he pointed out that one of, that he, he, uh, he poked out one of Dupre's eyes with a stick.
Starting point is 00:58:07 Jesus. Um, and Yahweh celebrated the murder as God delivering a goat in our hands for the day of atonement feast as nephew testified. Wow. Uh, January 16th, 1992, appeals court holds up white robe ban as they try to appeal that decision. And a federal court has upheld a ban on the wearing of white robe. robes and turbans by members of the nation of Yahweh religious sect here. The decision in Atlanta applies to wives and supporters of the defendants who seek to watch
Starting point is 00:58:39 the trial from the public seating room as well. The defendants themselves have been allowed to wear their distinctive robes and turban throughout the trials. Apparently they let them. The decision returned on Tuesday upholds a ruling by him by the judge. It means the defendant's wives and supporters will be forced to violate a tenant of their religion if they wish to attend the trial. defense attorney said. The defense attorney said it's a dangerous precedent. If those were rabbis
Starting point is 00:59:03 on trial, would we disallow persons to come to court wearing amicus or nuns were on trial? Will we disallow other nuns from coming into court with their habits on? Again, they didn't just make that up 10 years ago, though. That's right. This isn't a brand of thing. We're all established in society. I mean, it's all ridiculous. Don't get me wrong. They're all equally ridiculous. But two of the three of those are established ridiculousness that we've some reason accepted over thousands of years. Are nuns beheading people? I'm not aware of that.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Hey, the nuns could be mean. If they beheaded people, it'd be with a fucking ruler. They'd be with a ruler and they would, yeah, it'd be real weird. So, they said the court is certainly an obligation to protect jurors and any possibility of influence or intimidation by
Starting point is 00:59:47 the appearance of a turban, white-robed sea of spectators, the judge said. He acknowledged in his ruling that he himself felt intimidated in pretrial hearings when the public seating area of his court was jammed with up to 60 Yahweh supporters in their white robes. Yeah, I guess so. That would just be, yeah, these guys look like they're all going to attack us. Yeah. Now, Rodger said that he would, it would be an obvious ruling if the spectators were
Starting point is 01:00:12 where, you know, uniform members of the Ku Klux Klan or the American Nazi party, but said he would have ruled the same way, even if they were nuns. So nuns wouldn't be allowed either. No one's allowed to elevate themselves above or making an timid make it look like a giant gang is in the back um so that's the way it is uh january 17th nineteen ninety two people are uh this is ricardo woodside is on the stand and uh discussing beheadings they said um woodside said quote you should have left the car and uh car and body together said all the hypocrites can see what yahway did quoting yahway uh there um so he's quoting him he said Woodside said the next time when Yahweh takes the heads of other hypocrites, we're going to take them and hang them in baskets over the city so the whole city can see it and fear Yahweh.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Oh, boy. Woodside said he was told. Jesus Christ. That sounds like fun. I mean, that's religious war stuff. Yeah, that's exactly right. Maurice Woodside startled people in the courtroom by bolting to his feet and interrupting Ricardo Woodside's testimony as he began. to implicate Maurice in an attempted murder.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Oh, no. He's implicating his brother right there, and his brother jumped up and says, you're going to lie on me, your brother? And started to weep and then said, you're going to lie on me? You're going to kill me, your own brother? And federal marshals had to force him back into a seat. That's some fucking, wow, that is amazing. Yahweh defense attorneys immediately asked for a mistrial, and the judge said, quote, I'll deny it. No. So my gut feeling is that if it cuts in any way, it's in favor of the defendants on this one. So there you go. When the trial resumed, Maurice Woodside remained in his seat listening to his brother's testimony while staring at the floor and shaking his head. Oh, my God. So Woodside talks about how the beheading took 15, 20, 30 shot chops. He said he heard someone say, Dan, this blade is dull.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Oh. Yeah. Ricardo Woodside said his older brother Maurice is a prime example of Yahweh forcing people into violence. He said his brother Maurice never used a gun and never had been arrested until November 1990 when this all went down. He said he's not a violent person unless he's being instructed. Okay. January 23rd, 1992, the ex-wife of a Yahweh defendant. here we go, testified that her husband told her and told her that he and two other sex members carried a gun and a machete when they visited two dissidents in November 1981.
Starting point is 01:03:08 And they said there was a class at the, there was, there was at the class rejoicing that the girl had been cut and the guy had been shot. So they were telling people this, which is not great, apparently. there are so many people, man. How many people have come and gone, and how many people have those people been married to who they broke up with? I mean, think about this is starting to, there's so many people in the world that have information.
Starting point is 01:03:37 Right, who've touched this or have been touched by. Yep. The other thing is, Aston Green, the beheaded man who was taken out in the carpet, still alive, the Dade County Medical Examiner testified that Green was alive when he was beheaded. Oh, hells, bells. That is seriously fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:03:56 That's a lot. Wow. So that's a lot to say. January 25th, 1992, Yahweh family ties break as sister and son testify against brother and mother. This is messy. Yahweh Ben Yahweh's sister, his own sister, once so devoted to him that she donated $6,000 to his sect,
Starting point is 01:04:18 became one of his main accusers for him. She testified, Yahweh once ordered her to beat an already dead man inside the Temple of Love and on another occasion prayed for her husband to die. Okay. That's nice. Gene Solomon, one of his four sisters, broke into loud sobs in the federal courtroom as she described how several of his followers, among them, one holding a tire jack, beat to death karate champ Leonard Dupree in 1983 in front of about 70 others. she said, quote, they beat his eyes out. Oh, Jesus. They had crushed his entire body. Holy shit.
Starting point is 01:04:59 So she admitted that she, along with other women, hit Dupree after he was dead because Yahweh said, all of us sisters should want to take a hit if we loved Yahweh. My Christ. Solomon said that she didn't leave the sect until 1986 because she was afraid of the consequences. violence inside the sect was common. Quote, once her daughter was stripped topless and whipped in public by Judith Israel. Ew. And later, her husband, Leo Solomon and son-in-law Lawrence Lee, left the sect.
Starting point is 01:05:31 Yahweh held a public meeting to denounce them as hypocrites. He prayed death on Lawrence and Leo. The defense attorneys attacked her memory, pointing out that she gave details Friday she had admitted earlier to a federal grand jury. So, yeah, the defense attorney instead portrayed another witness, Gaines, as a convicted crack dealer who was lying about his mother. Nice. Solomon, Yahweh's sister, was the second in her family to testify against Yahweh. Yeah, last week, Solomon's son, Anthony Solomon, that's his nephew there. So, yeah, this is, I mean, it's all getting very, very ugly.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Thanksgiving is going to be a mess next year. Oh, this is, yeah. At the Yolly house. Everybody's turning on everybody. In other unrelated Florida news. Yeah. One of my favorite statements that we've ever had to utter. Quote, a 12-year-old boy riding a stolen Pontiac Grand Prix fired a handgun at two Metro-Dade police officers Thursday night and got John Malagicter.
Starting point is 01:06:34 They returned fire with a fucking missile launcher. A 12-year-old. Wow. Wow. They're making them younger, said police. police spokesman Patrick Brickman. The youth whose name was withheld, you know, because he's in seventh grade.
Starting point is 01:06:49 Because he's a child. Was listed in good condition Friday at the hospital. He's charged with attempted first degree murder of a police officer, auto theft and persisting arrest. Wow. Columbus Santiago, 20, who was driving the car, was charged with auto theft and resisting arrest. Oh, so he was a passenger in a stolen car.
Starting point is 01:07:10 He's a passenger. Him and his, why is the 20-year-old doing hanging out with a 12-year-old? Look, man. Put Columbus in jail for all of other reasons. That's crazy. Florida. Wow, the vehicle was stolen from the First Baptist Church. Nice.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Classy. Brickman said two officers chased the car after San Diego refused to stop. Within a few blocks, the car crashed into a fence at Northwest 44th Street and 23rd Court. The two occupants jumped out and ran between houses with officers in pursuit. The juvenile turned toward the officers and fired, Brickman said. officer William Hernandez fired back and struck the youth who was immediately arrested. What the fuck? And by the way, the 12-year-old's not related to Santiago.
Starting point is 01:07:50 It's not like it's his nephew or something. These are just... No relation. Just hanging out with a 12-year-old. It's a 12-year-old that hangs by. Wow. January 28, 1992, ex-sect member details attempts to behead her. Oh.
Starting point is 01:08:05 Yeah. Mildred Banks said her roommate, another Yahweh dissident named Aston Green, was later found, beheaded. Banks said she and her other roommate, Carlton Carey, who had been taking the name of Michelle Israel, were attacked. This is that we know about that, the death there. She said, I screamed and they shot.
Starting point is 01:08:24 I screamed and they shot Michelle. I tried to get out, but I remembered I had a double bolted door, and they proceeded to shoot me. She said she passed out from the wound in the chest, and the next thing she could remember is hearing one of the gunmen say, get Michelle. The two masked men outside, then
Starting point is 01:08:41 dragged her roommate outside. Later that night, they found his body outside propped up against the house. She was 30 at the time and said she managed to get up. She said, I asked for God's help and crawled to a neighbor's house. No one answered the door, so she had to go to two more houses. It's like a fucking bad horror movie at that point. And another woman who answered the doc, a knock on a window. She told me to lay down and she'd call police. Banks said she'd found out at the hospital that she had machete cuts on her neck and forehead, including a five-inch gashire. in her neck that severed an artery. Oh,
Starting point is 01:09:13 how was she alive? That's insane. Wow. A few weeks earlier, she said Yahweh preached against her and a dozen other members for leaving the sect. He said we were hypocrites
Starting point is 01:09:24 and heads were going to roll. Oh, boy. I guess so. Yeah. So a defense attorney brought up this theory. When Banks was shot, she accidentally sustained
Starting point is 01:09:37 deep cuts to her neck and forehead by falling onto a machete. Oh, she slipped and fell. That her roommate owned and left in the living room. Okay. So it happened to, and when I leave, I have a bunch of machetes, as you know, from the wood stuff. I leave all of them blade up just on the ground. But like the shark part up, I don't put them in a sheath or anything.
Starting point is 01:09:58 I just blade up on the ground. That way, in case I fall, you know what? That's what I deserve. I get what I deserve. Just in case. It's my exit point. You never know. You never know.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I should have better balance. If I'm having a bad day, you better watch out. Watch out. I'll surround that plate with banana peels and see in the next life. That's literally what the defense attorney said. Are you sure you didn't get shot and fall down onto the awaiting blade of your roommate's machete? Wow. That's amazing.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Very, very amazing. In other testimony, Alfonso Bonabee described in 1986 firebombing. That's nice. That's the Del Rey beach. beach fire bombing testified that he was asleep in the living room when a fire bomb was tossed into his house. He said the bomb exploded by my head. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:51 Later he went to Yahweh and give him a what the fuck, give him the what for who gave him $5,000 to cover damages but denied that they threw the bombs. We didn't do anything. We didn't do it, but we'll pay you off, though. We'll help. Yeah. Then they testified July 29, Yahweh. left behind bottles after Del Rey Beach bombing. That's the bottles that they connected everybody to.
Starting point is 01:11:16 Yeah. So that's what they did there because they connected it back to their whole bottling operation. And, you know, that's how it goes. Now, in other unrelated Florida news, brothers found guilty of shootout with judge. Wow. Madlib as it gets, Florida. Good job, guys. With the judge.
Starting point is 01:11:37 Oh, yeah. Shot birds at the news. John. Wow. A jury Tuesday convicted brothers, Jeffrey and Jason Parnell of attempted murder and attempted burglary in a failed intrusion into the home of County Judge Harvey Baxter and his wife
Starting point is 01:11:51 Elaine. Talk about picking the wrong house. The four women and two men came back with the guilty verdicts in less than three hours. On Halloween night 1990, Judge Baxter won a brief pistol shootout with the intruders. I like how they decide who's the victor. Wounding one and sending
Starting point is 01:12:07 them running through the Northeast Day neighborhood. Baxter said, I'm very happy to see the justice system work exactly the way it's intended to work. He added that he was glad he was carrying a 22 pistol in his pocket when the two men confronted his wife at the front door. He's just got a gun in his pocket. Just a lucy. Just a Lucy bouncing around the old pocket there. What was that? My keys? Oh, no, wait. That's the trigger. Okay. Now,
Starting point is 01:12:33 there's my there's my chapstick. Excellent. It's got to be like a two-shot Derringer style, right? I mean, or he might have big pockets, but either way, that's a lot of, it's weird. An eight-round revolver in there? That's crazy. He said, were I not armed at the moment it happened? I think both my wife and I would have been killed. Okay.
Starting point is 01:12:52 January 31st, 1992, here he comes. Here comes Robert Rozier. Here's our guy here. Yep. In court, he admitted Thursday in court that he helped carry out six murders ordered by Yahweh. Yeah. He said that he would have killed more, including a Del Rey police officer, if fate had not intervened. He said, as an order coming from Yahweh Ben Yahweh, I didn't question it.
Starting point is 01:13:19 I felt power. I felt in control. It was something new. It was something new. I'm into something new, and it's just, you know, have me going. Something new. How'd me feeling it, you know? Yahweh was just as excited about the killings, he testified.
Starting point is 01:13:34 He said that the spiritual leader once joyfully played with an ear. cut from a white devil victim, Rosier said. He said he tossed it around. He said it was a pig's ear. Oh. Rosier testified he killed a seventh man on his own in 1986 near the Orange Bowl
Starting point is 01:13:52 after the victim followed him to a wooded area where he had gone to urinate. Okay, and tried to blow him or what happened here? So anyway, Thursday was the first time that Rosier spoke publicly of killing three other
Starting point is 01:14:08 people, wearing a ponytail on the side of his head. Oh boy. Rozier appeared relaxed and smiled as he spoke with the killings. He said, how many people have you killed or helped kill, the prosecutor said? And he said, seven. The crowd gasped. Many of the jurors began taking notes. Among his victim, Rozier said, were three, quote, white devils and three black people
Starting point is 01:14:31 who had disparaged the religious sect. Rosier said that he would have never killed had Yahweh not ordered retribution on the enemies. The first murder, Rosier said, happened after he saw Yahweh smoothly turn away police officers who were trying to investigate a beating at the Temple of Love. Rosier said he was impressed and agreed to arm himself with a machete and hunt down the beating victim who had broken temple rules by throwing off his turban and shaking his dreadlocks. Well, that's obviously a murder of. offense.
Starting point is 01:15:04 That's why they did it? He took his hat off and shook his hair around. You got to loosen them up after you take your hat off, right? Like the nerdy chick transforming into a hot girl in a fucking teen movie. He took the hat off, shook his hair out, and they were like, if he takes his glasses off, I'm going to come in my pants. Oh, my God. What's her name from Speed? What was her name?
Starting point is 01:15:26 Sandra Bullock. Did she do that? Yeah, did you see Love Potion Number 9? No. You didn't see that? Yeah, oh, wait, that's very old. It is. Yes, she's very young in that.
Starting point is 01:15:36 Yeah, yeah, I think I did see it. It might be her first fucking movie. Don't recognize it as, don't connect it to her in my head. I forget the guy's name, but he was in a bunch of movies, too. She was just like a dork in a lab, and you know how they made her a dork. Of course you know, because they were glasses. It doesn't even put glasses on her, put her hair up. Now she's frumpy.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Glasses and no lipstick. How about it? That's it. No makeup, glasses and your hair up. But look at that. She takes her hair. puts those glasses off. She's a fucking supermodel.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Throw on some lipstick and spritz a couple of sprits as a perfume, and this bitch is fuckable. She's ready to fuck, baby. We were going to kill him, Rozier said. Rosier said he and his Yahweh partner, defendant Walter Lightburn, couldn't find the victim. The prosecutor asked, had you killed before?
Starting point is 01:16:23 And Rozier had answered, never. Never killed before. I mean, good tackle once in a while. Sure. in ball, but I'm not killing people here. Rozier also directly linked to Yahweh's second-in-command, Judith Israel, and seven other defendants to the firebombing as well. He said, Yahweh drew plans for the attack on a board with magic marker
Starting point is 01:16:47 after a group of Yahweh members were beaten up in Del Rey Beach. But the scheme almost ended before it started because two Del Rey Beach police officers pulled up to the Yahweh fire bombers who were riding in the van. Remember, they caught him making... Fire bombs. When one of the policemen heard a noise in the back of the van where members were making Molotov cocktails, Rosier said he was prepared to kill the officer had he attempted to check the van, but the officer did not.
Starting point is 01:17:14 The Yahwehs then went on the neighborhood and threw the bombs. Rozier said, I heard people screaming. I lit another one. Whoa. That same year, Yahweh named Rosier a, quote, death angel, part of a group charged with killing enemies in the sect. and he testified, quote, any white devil would do. Yahweh said, he said, Yahweh told him to bring back a finger or an ear as proof.
Starting point is 01:17:40 And he used to travel the metro rail with his 12-inch sword looking for white devils, Rosier said he did. He said that Yahweh didn't count his first two murders against white devils. Roommates Kurt, Dorr, and Glenn Fowler, because Rozier didn't take back parts of their bodies. didn't really count. If you didn't take pieces of the body, it doesn't count. It just doesn't count. No, just doesn't count. All right.
Starting point is 01:18:07 In September 86, Coral, Rosier said. He and defendant Carl Douglas Perry made sure they brought back proof of killing a white devil, Raymond Kelly, by slicing off both of his ears. Yahweh was satisfied, Roseir said. We got the day off and went to the movies. All righty, what do you see after that? What year is it? 86 and go see Top Gun after that?
Starting point is 01:18:33 What do you see? Is that all there is really now? There's a bunch out in 86, I'm sure. But it depends on the month too, right? Because they got summer movies and winter movies. Yeah, there's a lot in 86. So, Rozier told jurors he was one of the Yahwehs who stabbed Cecil Branch to death for chasing and kicking a Yahweh woman. He also admitted to being among the sect followers who murdered Anthony Brown and Rudolph Bursard in October 86.
Starting point is 01:18:58 during the apartment complex thing. He said he implicated the defendants in three other 86 murders. He said one of the defendants, Anthony Murphy, carried proof in a jar. He said, quote, the ear was floating in it. Ew. Ech.
Starting point is 01:19:12 February 4th, 92, the defense attorneys here, they're going to go after Robert Rozier here. He testifies this day that he felt invincible while stalking his first murder victim in 86 and express, No remorse for that or slaying or six others. Oh.
Starting point is 01:19:33 When the defense attorney asked Rozier, asked if Rozier shouldn't feel angry at himself for helping kill seven men. Rozier shot back. Why? He's a fucking wild. He's like, he is like the Watkins guy in the Rayker Ruth trial. That's what he reminds me of.
Starting point is 01:19:49 He's a fucking wild card. Ray Carruth is the bitch. You the bitch. Ray Caruth is the bitch. So, yeah, Yeah, Watkins. What the fuck was his name? Van? Van.
Starting point is 01:20:02 Was it? Van Watkins. Maybe, yeah, Watkins sounds right. So, anyway, they said he said he was following orders. After a blistering attack by other defense attorneys, Rozier also admitted to taking drugs, stealing and lying repeatedly to protect himself. Defense attorneys were trying to discredit the testimony of Rozier, whose cooperation, obviously, is a big part of this whole thing.
Starting point is 01:20:25 But wasn't really working. No? No. The defense attorney said, you got 11 years for seven homicides. And Rozier said, correct. I did. That's right. Later, after further questioning by defense attorney Albert Levin, Rosier said he will probably get out even sooner. Wow. He said he expects to get time off for good behavior. That's right. Buck it. I'm thriving in here. Yeah. So he talks about the stabbings or the roommates anymore. And they said, you've lied to police officers before, and they said, you felt it was to your
Starting point is 01:21:00 advantage? And he said, yes, I did. He also testified to getting rid of key evidence, a car after he was arrested for the murders, after Brown and Broussard, during the Yahweh takeover. He told a prosecutor after the shootings, quote, basically, I was feeling good because I thought I had got away. But a police dog sniffed him out of his hiding place near the murders, he said. Uh, once in jail, he immediately washed his hands to make sure police would not find gunpowder residue on them.
Starting point is 01:21:29 And he said, quote, wash them all the way to my elbows, he said. Oh, like a fucking surgeon. Like a surgeon. Yeah, he's washing in. Uh, he said that-huh. After his arrest, Yahweh urged him to confess to the killings and blame God for ordering them. Just confess and blame God. Um, he said, he sent back a message, quote, no way. I ain't fucking doing that.
Starting point is 01:21:52 though. Robert Rozier also said he said that he once told an incredible tale to prosecutors while trying to plea bargain on four charges. He saw Yahweh bin Yahweh behead a man and a public execution. On Wednesday he admitted to a federal
Starting point is 01:22:10 jury that he lied and the incident never happened. He said, I wanted the government to believe I had valuable information. And they said, this is on your resume as a government snitch. And yeah, he admitted he changed his story about witnessing Yahweh beheading the karate champ. He told the defense attorney that he had made up the story after he heard rumors about DePri's public execution in 83.
Starting point is 01:22:33 And he said he later told investigators the story was false. He also contradicted the testimony of another government witness, Lloyd Clark. Rozier denied that he took Clark to a site in New Jersey where Rozier had killed a white devil. He said, quote, I didn't do that one, Roseir said. Oh, that one doesn't fall under the state. plea bargain, so I didn't do that one. They didn't mention that one. I don't know nothing about that.
Starting point is 01:22:57 Other defense attorneys portrayed Razeer as a man who falsely accused Yahweh defendants out of revenge and jealousy. Wow. Interesting. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. They keep saying that he's making shit up just because he's jealous of people.
Starting point is 01:23:16 Oh. Right? February 7, 1992. one witness says here that one beheading was stopped. So Robert Rozier here said that a follower got into trouble in 86 for gossiping about SEC members who beat to death Leonard Dupree. And he said, Yahweh later taught a class on how important it was to keep dirty laundry among us, Rozier said.
Starting point is 01:23:44 Rosier obviously testifying for the government. His testimony was the first public disclosure about the incident. incident, Yahweh and 15 followers are on trial for this. Rozier said, Yahweh became enraged that someone inside the sect was talking about Dupre's beating death and demanded an inquisition, which means a lot in a fucking religious sense. Rozier said his anger first focused on me. He felt I was the one.
Starting point is 01:24:11 But a follower whose sec name was Ahab Israel turned out to be the loose-lipped culprit, Rosier testified. He said, Yahweh ordered Ahab Israel bound and gagged. and then stoned. Rozier said, we all threw our shoes at him for a time. We didn't have stones. We just threw a shield. I just hit him with a new balance, and he was like, that hurt, you know, you know how it is.
Starting point is 01:24:35 That's fucking amazing. We just threw our shoes at him. We didn't have stones. Were they heavy shoes? Are they talking about combat boots? No, fuck knows. Either they had stones. They said stone him, and he looked around.
Starting point is 01:24:49 He's like, what fuck do you get stones in Miami? I don't know where there's stones. We're in the city. Like, have I got some docks? Throw some shoes. Then you'd have to go pick your shoes back up, go back and throw them again, which is even more pathetic. That's really sad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:01 He said, Yahweh then ordered Ahab Israel to kneel in front of a man holding a machete. Members encircled the two, Rosier said. They said, to show how sharp the machete was, Yahweh grazed Ahab Israel's chest with the machete and Israel began to bleed, Rosier said. He was crying, sobbing, pleading for his life. Yahweh called off the beheading when a sobbing member of the sect quote didn't have the courage to watch
Starting point is 01:25:25 and second in command Judith Israel whispered something in his ear Rosier testified like hey this is you're going to freak people out with this shit later Yahweh banished the follower to another temple outside Miami get him out of my sight yeah Rosier also
Starting point is 01:25:41 or Jeff Jeff Glover who's another guy testifying one day in 80s Yahweh Ben Yahweh carried a human ear in a brown paper bag and proudly displayed it, exclaiming, see this hairy devil? This is Jeff Glover said. He said I should rejoice, and I said, praise Yahweh.
Starting point is 01:26:04 That's what he said. Jeff said I was kind of astonished to see Yahweh carrying the ear. Glover said he thought the ear came from a white victim, but he did not say how Yahweh got it. Okay, because this is part of it. They need people to witness that he like to carry body parts and shit like that. So, yeah, everybody keeps testifying that that's against him. Anything they did, he told me to do it and then was excited about it, essentially.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Anyway, one government witness, Michael Mathis was once a defendant in this case. He said that Dexter Leon Grant called it a pig's ear, talking about showing off the human ear in a jar. He said, I said, quote, man, you are wild. That's it? Yeah. Oh, wow, that's really an understatement. Man, you're wild. It's a pegs here.
Starting point is 01:27:02 Man, you wild. Imagine if I came up to you with a body part in a jar and showed it to you happily. Is that the response you get? Man, you wild. Anyway. I'd rather you don't, but I'd probably say something like, are you okay? Yeah. Do you need to see the doctor?
Starting point is 01:27:18 Come to the doctor with me. Let's all get our cognitive abilities checked out here. You bring that and I'll bring my ADHD and we'll both go to the doctor. We'll figure this out together. There's got to be a problem. There's something wrong with both of us. Oh, man. February 19, 1992, defendant's psychotic episode forces a delay in the trial.
Starting point is 01:27:41 Cellmates of Ernest Lee James Jr. or woke up on Tuesday to find him out of control, flailing his arms. Yeah. Wow. In a cell in Broward County Jail and acting self-destructively violent, defense attorney said. U.S. District Attorney Judge, Rottger there, informed about James' condition, recessed the trial for a day to allow medical and psychiatric examinations. They said he'll convene the court when, you know, this guy's got his shit together. I believe the defense attorney said it appeared to be a psychotic episode in my opinion there's no way we can proceed the way he is now he could be a disruption in the courtroom sure so they said all right well we'll try to stabilize him with medication and get him mentally competent basically now the guy in question this is an ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad ad Israel here that's this that's this guy now
Starting point is 01:28:40 Now, February 20th, 1992, Yahweh defendant, faking a psychosis, doctor says. Oh. Yeah. That's amazing. They said he's, they said he's faking psychosis with bizarrely bizarrely bizarre, extraordinarily unusual behavior. Bizarrely bizarre? You know, so there's bizarre. Crazy, dude.
Starting point is 01:29:02 And then there's double bizarre. It's quadruple bizarre. Bizarrely bizarre. I've never heard anyone say. that before. Extraordinary unusual behavior. This is a court appointed psychiatrist.
Starting point is 01:29:18 They said that he exhibited an excess of symptoms and that usually raises the specter of malingering. Too many, too many fucking things here. Too many bazaars. Too many bazaars. It's bizarrely bizarre.
Starting point is 01:29:31 Bizarrely bizarre. I have to write that down. We've got to put that in the title somewhere. It's a pretty good one. Bizarrely bizarre. That is nice shit. So the lawyer said, I know when I go talk to him, he's not making any sense to me. So the judge advised the lawyer to advise his client to, quote, stop fooling around.
Starting point is 01:29:52 Stop messing about. Stop cutting up, mister. That's amazing. Stop fucking about. Stop fooling around and any such conduct Monday morning will cause his removal from the courtroom. Tell him, I don't play that shit. Yeah. February 24th, 1992,
Starting point is 01:30:12 Yahweh's, the prosecutor in this case, the lead secretary for that prosecutor, is murdered. Oh, no. Shot to death in her home over the weekend. The prosecutor. The prosecutor's number one secretary. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:30:31 The lead prosecutor's secretary killed her home. No. Taker. Yeah. Federal agents are investigating the possibility that this slaying might be tied to this trial, but there's no evidence that they know. It's possible at this time. Seems likely, but who knows? About 7 p.m., this woman, Crumpler, is her name,
Starting point is 01:30:49 arrived at her home in a residential neighborhood in Dade County, and three males accosted her at her front door and shot her once. That seems like on purpose. That seems like a hit. Crumpler's husband heard his wife getting her keys out, then heard her scream. He ran out to the front of her. door and saw the men, one of whom had her purse.
Starting point is 01:31:10 Crumpler lay on the ground by the door. She was taken to the hospital where she was pronounced dead. And they said they fled and her husband started chasing them on foot and they got into a car and took off. Sir, take it easy. God damn. He's going. You can get yourself hurt. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:27 That's wild. Unless you got a gun in your pocket like the judge. Yeah, they got gun. Do we know they got a gun? Yeah. Witnesses described the car as a 1978 Osmobile Cutlass with a. white vinyl top over a brown or red bottom. That's a sweet ride.
Starting point is 01:31:40 Fuck it. Huge. Size of a boat. The FBI is assisting the investigation because a federal employee is involved. All right. They said that the shooting was probably not related to her job is what they said. They don't think it is yet. Anyway, here we go.
Starting point is 01:32:00 February 25th, 92, Yahweh defendant shouts obscenities. Good. Oh, what do you say? Excellent. He's talking. A half-dressed Yahweh defendant began shouting obscenities and wrestling with U.S. Marshals while he was led into court Monday afternoon after a judge ruled he was faking mental illness. Oh, my God. It's that guy.
Starting point is 01:32:19 He yelled out earnestly James here, Yahweh, take me. Oh, boy. He wept, writhed, muttered profanities, and fell back on the defense table, sending several defense attorneys scrambling to the other side of the room. Everybody run. Two other defendants helped restrain James, who is only wearing jail pants. Why does he have no shirt on in court? He's half naked. Wow.
Starting point is 01:32:44 U.S. District Judge, again, the Rottinger guy, or Rotger, ordered James to a holding cell where he could watch the murder conspiracy trial on closed circuit television. The judge said the outburst was proof that James was faking hallucinations. Right. Earlier, the doctor, the psychiatrist, had said that he was malingering and said, quote, he's pretty good. Good performance. Not a bad performance. He really puts himself out there. Right to the back row. It's not bad. Very impressed.
Starting point is 01:33:13 Psychologist Barry Crown testified that James was having another psychotic episode similar to the one that landed him last summer in a federal mental hospital. Okay. Next day, February 26th, the Opelaka mayor testifies at Yahweh's trial. Oh? The mayor choked back tears as he testified at the Yahweh trial that two men were gunned down shortly after he helped them regain their possession seized during a Yahweh takeover of an apartment complex.
Starting point is 01:33:42 So this is to get the mayor up there and then get, you know, some emotion involved in the case because you've had a bunch of really, I mean, Rosier is not a guy you're going to connect with as a juror probably. Yeah, February 27, 1992, headline is Yahweh baby burials investigated. What? What are they doing there? What the fuck is going on? Yahweh sect was so reluctant to deal with the outside society that it delivered members' babies at its temple of love and buried those who died at birth or later on the premises or in Opelaca.
Starting point is 01:34:18 Four members have told police. Among the tiny fatalities, the grand niece of the religious leader, Yahweh's nephew, Anthony Solomon, buried some of the children without ceremony in the vicinity of the temple. Solomon's mother, Gene, told the FBI in 87. Other bodies were taken to isolated areas in Opelaca, and she and another witness claims. Yahweh's defense attorney, who's defending the SEC leader on these federal charges, declined to comment on that. Sure. Wow. They said the FBI and Metro-Dade police have known about the baby burial allegations since 1986 when two former sect members talked about the infant's deaths.
Starting point is 01:34:58 That is gross. The issue came up in court after defense attorney noted that one of the government's key witnesses in the murder conspiracy trial, Lloyd Clark, flunked a polygraph test in 86 when describing the baby burials. Mancini, the defense attorney, suggested he may use the polygraph result to discredit Clark. I doubt they're going to let that into court. If it's not, you can't use those. Prosecutor Richard Scrugg said in court, Wednesday that the baby burials are part of a continuing investigation into the
Starting point is 01:35:32 Yahweh sect, but it is not centered on it because they're not part of the 1990 murder conspiracy. They said, that's another matter for another day. Because burying bodies without a permit is a misdemeanor. That's a misdemeanor? Yeah. It's a misdemeanor. Unless you killed them, obviously. But if they just died and buried them, that's murder. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:54 Disposal of a corpse. Yeah. But if a body's. It might be more now. I mean, they've really made the laws a lot more. If your grandma dies and you take her, I guess if you call the cops and they take her, you can't get her back, right? It's just to bury her in the yard. Well, if she dies, they'll take her to a, and it's like natural causes, they'll take her to a funeral home and then you do whatever you want with them.
Starting point is 01:36:19 After that, you can just, I mean, you just got to have a permit? If it's zoned, most residential neighborhoods aren't zoned for corpse burial. Yeah. So that's the part of it. But if you live like in a rural area and you have like a, if you're red drumming the stupid fucking what's pioneer woman and you have a goddamn cowboy graveyard in your fucking yard. Yeah. If you're, if you're allowed to bury him there if you want. How crazy is that?
Starting point is 01:36:42 That bitch just buries old. Employees, not even. Wow. Just a dead cowboy. There he is. Just throw him in there with the spurs. Man. They said, uh, the prosecutor does say he believes the stories.
Starting point is 01:36:56 And he says as soon as temple property. reverts back to the original owners, the government will be there digging. That's what it is here. So they said that Yahweh forbade the followers from having babies in hospitals as part of the sex separation from what he called a white-dominated society. Clark had told the FBI in 86 that one baby strangled on his umbilical cord and another was still born. He said it was common knowledge that one baby was buried in a field next to the temple. one member put the dead babies in plastic bags and buried them yeah
Starting point is 01:37:31 experts rated a follow-up lie detector test as inconclusive by the way not a failure Ricardo Woodside another former follower who's taken the stand that we know about here said the babies were buried on the south and west sides of the temple whereas Gene Solomon also testified that several deceased babies were buried on temple grounds and saying that her own son
Starting point is 01:37:55 Anthony, who was a physician's assistant during temple births, buried the children. Her granddaughter, Marlina Israel, was born sickly in 83 and only lived about two months. Marlina's father Lawrence Lee told Metro Police in 90 that his daughter was buried at a secret spot in Opalaca in a secret burial. Lee said he drove two followers to dispose of the body of a small child near Opelaca Lake in 83. Okay. Now, Yahweh ben Yahweh here. Apparently, he's going to take the stand. And his defense will be he found out about the murders only because he was a confessor to his followers and heard about their sins. Not only did he not instruct about it, he didn't even know what happened until they came to him to confess sins. You know. Oh. Yeah. He blames the 86 firebom. of a Del Rey Beach neighborhood on a renegade group within his sect led by a man he calls a serial killer.
Starting point is 01:39:03 Renegades. Not me. Wow. That is pretty impressive. Prosecutors have rested their case after calling 63 witnesses, only half the number they had planned to put on. Right. But the judge forbade repetition of information. Is he going to testify the same thing as that guy?
Starting point is 01:39:22 We've heard that from three people. That's enough. We don't need somebody to verify. We already know. We heard it from three people. It's good. You don't need to have it from five people, basically. Okay.
Starting point is 01:39:32 They said the government needs to find Yahweh guilty of plotting only two felonies to convict him of racketeering. Okay. By the way. Interesting. So he blamed a renegade group within the sect, like we said, for all of this. Yawai said Robert Rozier formed this. Uh-huh. clandestine group within the sect and rosier drove up with six or seven of his followers to firebom the neighborhood in may and that's what he said he said only his followers were involved in that meaning only rosiers right yahway described rosier as the serial killer because he's confessed to seven murders which he is a serial killer but it's for a different reason he said no such brotherhood existed yahweh said on television uh yahway also um
Starting point is 01:40:23 He talked about Judith Israel's lawyer, Paul McKenna, said, Rozier may be falsely accusing Yahweh followers of murders. He committed himself. Oh. He said, I think Rozier is responsible for many. So first, he's lying, but then he's not lying. As a matter of fact, he's killed way more people. And he's basically everything we're being accused of.
Starting point is 01:40:46 He probably just did himself. It just did it all. Yeah, that's it. Interesting. So despite the ambitious defense plans, Yahweh told his TV interviewer that he's not optimistic, not optimistic that the jurors will return a fair verdict. He said six of them have already made up their minds. And then he said, it's a racist trial. They said, well, do you expect help from above?
Starting point is 01:41:16 And he said, I expect absolutely divine intervention. divine intervention is coming for us. And then March 11th, 1992, might be God work at work here. In a move that startled defense lawyers as well as prosecutors, the judge here threw out a third of the government's case against Yahweh, saying prosecutors had not proved he extorted tenants during the 86 takeover of the Opelaca apartment complex. Really? The defense attorney successfully argued that prosecutors had shown that two tenants were murdered during the tumultuous. to his takeover, but not that Yahweh had committed extortion by threatening residents with forcible removal if they didn't leave their apartments.
Starting point is 01:41:58 And he said, Judge, murder is not extortion. Imagine if your argument is, I killed people. I didn't extort them. I mean, come on. I would never. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the judge dismissed the prosecutor's arguments that another federal judge in a civil
Starting point is 01:42:15 case found the sect had waged its campaign of terror and extortion. The defense attorney says he never ceases to amaze me. He's a really surprising judge. You never know what he's going to do. What a guy. Interesting. So that's what goes on here. Yahweh intervened in count three and Yahweh will intervene in counts one and two.
Starting point is 01:42:36 Yahweh said, quote, praise Yahweh. Anytime you win, you're glad, his attorney said. Sure. He says he faces a high hill to tussle in defending his client who's still accused of two counts of water. 14 murders. Wow. So, you know, this isn't all good news here. No. At all. So March 12th, 1992, Yahweh's trial's star witness accused of two murders. The government star witness in the federal racketeering trial hunted down and killed two tenements. Robert Smith, a carpenter, whose second name is Hazadaya Israel. Yeah, he does.
Starting point is 01:43:15 was the third witness to pin murders on Robert Rozier since the defense began their case. They're all just blaming everything on Rozier. May as well. That's it. They said there's no direct evidence besides Rozier's testimony that my client went out and killed people. That's what they're saying. It's only Robert Rozier, and he's a serial killer. Right.
Starting point is 01:43:39 March 18, 1992, a Yahweh defendant repeatedly denied Tuesday he murdered four men on the orders of Yahweh and called the government's star witness a grudge-filled liar. Carl Douglas Perry said, I would never kill for any reason. I'm against that. I'm a builder. I like things to go up, not go down. I couldn't kill people because I like building things. Yeah. I like Legos, man. I like putting things together, not taking them apart. What's the Bible say about murder? It's against it. It's against it. Yeah. It's against it, I believe. So, Kingpin. So Perry, whose sec name is Aher Israel, was the first Yahweh defendant to take the stand.
Starting point is 01:44:26 He said he was with his former wife helping her deliver their third child, not gunning down tenants. Wow. And his ex-wife said Aher was with me. Okay, so that's the prosecutor, scoffed at the alibi. Perry didn't know exactly how long Howard was in labor. quote, a long time, he estimated. He was also vague on details of his daughter's birth. Despite Scruggs' persistent questionings of Perry, defense attorneys said other defendants
Starting point is 01:44:56 are eager to testify. Job Israel, who legally changed his name from Richard Ingram, was expected to take the stand. Yeah. So that's what's going on in that day of court. There's a lot of these people are testifying that there was like, this person, and only said that this person killed that person because he wanted to be closer to Yahweh. There's a lot of like infighting political,
Starting point is 01:45:23 like interior political sect shit, intracect political things. Whatever that is, yeah. Whatever the fuck's going on there. March 19, 1982, a key government witness acknowledged Wednesday a motive for implicating Yahweh bin Yahweh in two murders. He hated him that so much he wanted to kill him.
Starting point is 01:45:47 This is Lloyd Clark disclosed for the first time in federal court that he accepted $2,000 in cash from the FBI to snitch on Yahweh. Defense attorney Dennis Canaan called Clark back to the stand after obtaining Clark's handwritten manuscript in which Clark wrote of plotting to kill Yahweh with another disenchanted disciple. They asked, you did want to kill him? And he said, yes. He said he had a vendetta against him. Yahweh for among other things, having sex with all the women, including my wife. That'll do it. That really pissed me off. That'll do it. That's the thing. Pushed me right over the edge. He also acknowledged he disliked Canaan's client, Job Israel, who legally changed his name,
Starting point is 01:46:30 like we said, quote, I felt he was a stingy person. Borden all the pussy. That's just hard. No, the other guy. The other guy's stingy. Yaway's greedy. One's greedy, one's stingy, is how it goes. Clark firmly denied that he lied on the stand to get back at both men. He testified two months ago that Israel helped in the beheading murder of Aston Green. Okay. March 20th, 1992, Walter Lightburn takes the stand to describe himself as an Eagle Scout, an all-American football player. He rejected the title prosecutors.
Starting point is 01:47:05 I've given him killer. He said, I haven't tried to kill anyone. I'm not a killer. Oh. He contradicted at least seven governments. witnesses who placed him at the murder, murders of Carlton Carey and Leonard Dupree, and also at the takeover of the apartment complex. Right.
Starting point is 01:47:24 So he says he didn't do it, though. People got very hurt. Yeah, they said just moments before Dupre's gruesome slaying, he said, don't you remember being knocked out and getting a black eye? Because three witnesses placed him in a karate match with Dupre. And he said, I don't recall. That's all he would say. Okay.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Another one here, reciting scripture to stress his peaceable nature, a discipline of sect leader, Yahweh bin Yahweh on Monday, denied murder charges against him. This is Maurice Woodside. Remember, he's one of the Woodside brothers there. He said,
Starting point is 01:48:03 The Bible says we should love one another. Vengeance belongs to God himself. He testified that. Right. How do you testify to that? God testified to that. That's wild. Is that what he's saying?
Starting point is 01:48:16 That God, while carrying that cross and such? I don't even know. What the fuck? Yeah, testified that. He told Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Trudy Newitzky and Newviki, I love you even though you're trying to take my life. I love Mr. Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Scruggs, too. Oh, too?
Starting point is 01:48:37 Yeah, love him. Love all you guys. What a guy. You guys are the best. So March, March 29th, 1992, star, UC player, now star witness and sect trial. Robert Rozier tells of random killings, death angels, and blind devotion in the Florida case against Yahweh, Ben Yahweh.
Starting point is 01:49:00 So they just go over, he is the star witness. He said, quote, we did everything from like driving a bus to killing someone if necessary. He said, beating, hanging, burning, stoning decapitation, you know, the basics. The euse. The euse, the basics. You guys have all done that. You know how it goes there. So,
Starting point is 01:49:22 Yahweh has previewed the defense case when he telephoned a Washington talk show and described Rozier as a serial killer. That's got to be his stance. What else is he going to say? Interesting. They said, Robert Rozier, a muscular man
Starting point is 01:49:38 whose long hair is pulled into a single thick braid that hangs from the left side of his head. So he often served as Yahweh's chief enforcer. So they asked how many people... So wild. Yeah. How many people have you helped kill?
Starting point is 01:49:50 And he said, seven. Uh-huh. He also, the seventh was a panhandler who annoyed him by persisting to ask for money and cigarettes. That's what he was trying to piss. He said, I ended up killing him and throwing him in the water. Leave me alone, I guess, here. You don't get it.
Starting point is 01:50:08 That's no cigarettes. No. No. So, yeah, so he talked about the movie. I still don't know what movies they went to see, though. I wish I knew. I wish I knew what movie they were. What do you see right after that?
Starting point is 01:50:22 After beheading a man. After beheading a man, do you go see a comedy? You need to just lighten it up a little bit? You got to, yeah. I think you go see something light after that, right? It has to be. April 1, 1992. to Yahweh witnesses, witness death and accident.
Starting point is 01:50:42 Okay. A man who was run over by a train in Boca Raton is the second person involved in the sex conspiracy trial to die since it started. Wow. This is Alton Bonabee. We talked about him at prosecution witness. The investigator said the death appears to be accidental. Bonabie's father, Alfonso Bonabie says he believes someone killed his son,
Starting point is 01:51:07 dumped his body on the tracks, but the Palm Beach County Deputy Medical Examiner said there are no signs of foul play. Elton Bonabee was hit by a train at 1.17 a.m. on the Florida East Coast Railway tracks at Old Dixie Highway and Coventry Street. The train's engineer said he was unable to stop after he blew the whistle and Bonabie didn't move. Yeah, those are tough. He met that. Yeah. It didn't move means I'm trying to get hit by this train, bro. Just pedal to the metal here. You can't stop. They just, those breaks are not for like a Honda Civic. They keep going.
Starting point is 01:51:44 The train was true. They're not a little like nice anti-lock brakes that go on pretty quick. The train was traveling at 45 miles an hour. So the defense attorney said that any speculation that the death was related to the trial is a crock of shit. It's speculation. She said if my client was in the witness killing business, He would want to kill him before he testified. It doesn't make sense.
Starting point is 01:52:10 It's a tragic, unfortunate incident, but totally unrelated. Okay. Yeah, but Bonneby, his father and other victims had testified that their homes were set ablaze after the Del Rey Beach incident because he's one of the witnesses from there. So, yeah, April 3, 1992, Yahweh's message delivered on cable TV show. There we go. There we go. Since December, disciples have been.
Starting point is 01:52:36 paying for a weekly half-hour Yahweh talk show from poverty to riches on community access cable channels around the country and at least 15 metropolitan areas from New York to St. Louis to Miami to Fort Lauderdale. It's a very common theme that people like to hawk at people. Yeah, the show which airs on Black Entertainment Television, BET. On Sundays at 6 p.m., not a big time for them. Often just for BET, you know, videos. Sundays at 6 p.m.?
Starting point is 01:53:07 No, it's usually right after school until mom and dad get home. That's there. That's the prime time. That's the prime time. Displays an illustration of Yahweh wearing a halo and sitting on a throne in front of two spaceships.
Starting point is 01:53:19 Okay, let's make this even crazy. On a show broadcast Monday, host Josiah Israel told viewers, please remember Yahweh loves you. Yahweh bin Yahweh loves you and so do I. Shalom, shalom. Shalom, Shabbat, shabbat, shabat, fucker. Uh, commercial, what is this?
Starting point is 01:53:39 Oh, commercial solicit buyers for Yahweh literature. So they have like their own little, you know, infomercials playing in between and seek signatures for a petition to free Yahweh. Wow. One of Yahweh's lawyers estimates as many as, come on. How many? He estimates as many as three million people see the show around the country every week. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:02 Three million is like, as high as, James. Yeah. as high as fucking three million people are watching the same show on public access television and also beat t two there's upwards of three million people that have the opportunity to see they it's available for up to three million people in the program aired this week yahway preached i'm a peaceful man but you better believe i'm not a fluke i came in the name of god who delivered us from egypt oh he warned of plagues and droughts if he and his followers were persecuted oh he's said if you don't believe it just keep messing with me and you'll find out that yahway is god and god controls nature uh-huh whoa keep messing with me and it's also like in the spritz like hurricane season in florida you keep messing with me um so april 14th 1992 the judge here startled defense attorneys when he predicted some of the 16 yahway defendants will be acquitted in off-the-cuff comments outside the jurors presence, the judge suggested they will take 10 days, or they will take days to deliberate in the
Starting point is 01:55:10 complex case and that some of their verdicts won't be favorable to prosecutors. He said, I think it's very likely some of the defendants are going to be acquitted. He said, at least I would not be surprised if several walked free. Wow. The prosecutor said, or the defense attorney said, I've never heard a judge make that comment before and said he was pleased and shocked by it. he said it's unusual but i'm not surprised the defense attorney another defense attorney said he said they've long contended the government's evidence against some of the followers is weak the prosecutors declined to speak about it because they're like you know what the fuck thanks a lot asshole um yeah um another one here um called to the stand william carolin king
Starting point is 01:55:54 the third miami detectives found king near the park wearing a shirt stained with blood Oh. King testified he convinced investigators they had the wrong man. I wouldn't stab anybody, he said, but admitted prostitute Martin Mish testified that King told her he hurt someone in the park. He didn't know if he killed them. Okay. Yeah, that's interesting. April 17, 1992, IRS audits attorneys for the Yahweh sect. Yeah? Five of the 16 attorneys for the Yahweh religious sect have been. been hit by Internal Revenue Service audits that have forced the three to dig through past tax records as they prepare to present the cases to the jury. Uh-oh. This seems on purpose. Yeah, that sounds like a lot, doesn't it?
Starting point is 01:56:43 That can't be a coincidence. No. It feels like, yeah. I recommended this. Wow. April 22, 1992, 1992, Yahweh Ben-Yahuahweh self-proclaimed son of God, denied in court on Tuesday that he knew anything about the murders and other racketeering activities, prosecutors have linked to the religious empire. Unaware.
Starting point is 01:57:06 He said, it is reprehensible in my feeling for anyone to wantonly take anybody's life, anyone who has followed me, any soul that did, thinking that, thinking they did that for me, I consider them very unfortunate. So, yeah, he took the stand. He's there. He stated his occupation as, quote, what do you think he? What do you think he says his occupation is? Is my job to be the representative of mankind?
Starting point is 01:57:38 Well, close. He said, quote, Grandmaster of the Celestial Lodge and the Blessed and Only potentate. Grandmaster of the Celestial Lodge? You know, God. God is the MC of the universe, man. You know how it works. Celestial Lodge.
Starting point is 01:57:57 Intro and people, taking people offstage. That's, he's the, wow. What a fun one. But he denied knowledge of the nation of Yahweh's finances, real estate holdings, or day-to-day operations, saying sect members saw to that. I would just sat around being God. He also disavowed accusations that he controlled disciples, diet, sleeping habits, and sex lives, forced them to tithe all their savings and sec quotas for donations they solicited and products they sold. She said, quote, it's impossible to force the people in America to do anything. If I have such great powers, then everybody on the planet would be righteous and holy.
Starting point is 01:58:36 Is that a no, motherfucker? I mean, if I'm, if I have such great powers, I'll make everybody do everything. And I haven't, so. So clearly not. Yeah. How do you, as a lawyer, you take all that and you go, does that a no? So. What does that mean?
Starting point is 01:58:54 So, what does that mean? So he gets a no, and maybe? What the fuck are you talking about? Wow. He even denied having followers, having followers at all, he said. Wow. Correcting the prosecutor by calling them people who come to class or full-time workers. They're not even his followers anymore. No, they're employees. Wow. In cross-examination, Yahweh acknowledged asking members whether they would die and kill for God. His intention, he explained, was to stretch. to the congregation, any fool can die for God, but it takes a wise man to live for him. That's what he twisted that into. That's something. Yahweh also said he told congregants to bring him the heads of his enemies. Prosecutors alleged that he ordered decapitations, blah, blah, blah. But Yahweh spoke figuratively, he testified, actually urging members to avoid alcohol, cigarettes, and pork, thereby bringing him the heads of companies that sold such products.
Starting point is 01:59:55 Because we aren't participating. Yeah, yeah. He said, yeah, I, bring me the head of Philip Morris is what he said, essentially. By not doing it? Bring me Jack Daniels on a pike, if you could. By not drinking it. By not drinking it. If I, that's, so that's, well.
Starting point is 02:00:11 That's his claim? That's his claim. He meant it, I said, bring me the heads of my enemies means stop drinking and smoking. But bring them to their knees by not participating in their business. What a fucking crock of shit. that's what I was trying to say. I mean, I could have said that, but I thought it was more fun to tell them, bring me the heads of my enemies. Who doesn't want that?
Starting point is 02:00:34 So, Yahweh also acknowledged such mortal tendencies as an allergy to dust, a fondness for greyhound racing, and an imperfect memory. Oh. I just love watching those dogs run around that track. Just makes me feel so good, he must have said. That's ridiculous. Fondness for greyhound racing. Is that right? He said, I can't even remember what I ate last month when he's questioned about the events in 1981.
Starting point is 02:00:59 And the prosecutor said, you're not omniscient. You're not, you know, fucking God, sparking a chorus of objections and motions for a mistrial. Well, that's what we said. In a bench conference that followed, defense attorneys objected to the tone as being too sarcastic and his repeated questions about the Yahweh faith. the judge ruled that the question about this was inappropriate but did not warrant a mistrial. Yahweh seemed to enjoy the exchange, sitting back and smiling slightly. Several times he said the government was persecuting him. He said, quote, the name of the father is what this is all about.
Starting point is 02:01:37 I'm manifesting it, and that's why I'm being persecuted today. Oh, is that right? He's on the stand. He denies he told the members to kill eight white men. I didn't do that. the Bible teaches all devils will be wiped off the face of the earth, regardless of color. So they said, so your sermons preaching death to white devils, wasn't that a call for action? And he said, no, sir.
Starting point is 02:02:02 No. Not at all. He also denied forming a secret group called the Brotherhood, who were supposed to bring body parts. He then said, as the Prince of Peace. Next, he's going to say, as the Sultan of Swat. Yeah. I would say, as the Yankee Clipper, I'm thinking this, okay? He said, as the Prince of Peace, I look for peace all over people, for all people. Oh, I look for peace for all people.
Starting point is 02:02:27 Uh-huh. He called Rosier, though, I morally corrupt. Okay. And the prosecutor suggested Yahweh had conditioned his followers into murdering whites by writing articles in 86, which with such titles as white persons are kidnappers and terrorists. and white America murders blacks daily. In one article, Scruggs, the prosecutor, said that Yahweh predicted a worldwide holy war. And Yahweh said he wrote the articles but didn't remember in what year it was written, which is irrelevant. He said he told Scruggs of his criticism of American whites was meant to educate blacks about their own history in America.
Starting point is 02:03:11 He said, we've been hung on trees. We've been roasted like hot dogs. Our people have been shot, mutilated. Pregnant women have been hung upside down and their bellies cut open and babies have fallen out. Yes, true. However, Yahweh said he felt no rancor against whites in general and had even had white followers. That's got to be uncomfortable. Probably.
Starting point is 02:03:32 Kill the white devil. Yeah. Sure. Sounds good. The defense attorneys unsuccessfully appealed to the judge to prevent Scruggs for mentioning the articles because they were potentially inflammatory. They said, judge, he's written a thousand things and he's run off at the mouth an awful lot, the defense
Starting point is 02:03:49 attorney said. Sure. Yeah, that all means something, though. Can't just say shit. The judge agreed with the prosecution saying that he could at least show the articles to Yahweh to refresh his memory. Okay, so we'll leave it right there. Oh, my.
Starting point is 02:04:05 With Yahweh on the stand, when we come back, will be his last day on the stand. Yeah. And he's going to, obviously, there's going to be a verdict. Yeah. And we're going to see where Robert Rozier ends up from here, actually. Oh, I'm looking forward to it. Let us stop right there in 1992. So there you go.
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Starting point is 02:06:56 And that's it for the year. So we don't do a ton of shows, man. We do like 12, 15 shows, and that's all. So do that, get in there and hang out with us. You can follow on social media at crime and sports. Yeah. You can get yourself Patreon. And we suggest that you do.
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Starting point is 02:07:36 Then you get new ones every other week. One crime in sports, one small town murder. This week, no different. This week, four crime in sports. We're going to talk about hostage situations because they're crazy and wild. And we talked about Stockholm, and that was crazy. So we'll get into that for small town murder. Corey Richens part three, which I can't wait for.
Starting point is 02:07:54 Her kids' statements are finally let in for the sentencing. And they basically say everything she said she did that night was complete bullshit. And she was actually really mean to the kids while murdering their father. Nice. And then in the preceding months was a complete shitty mother who made them eat uncooked lasagna and the like. So it's going to be amazing. Can't wait for that. That's patreon.com slash crime in sports.
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Starting point is 02:08:37 Yeah, I do. A shout out. You know when that happens? Right fucking now. Jimmy! Hit me with the names of the most wonderful people in the world who would never claim themselves to be God and ask us to be beheaded. Hit me with him. Right.
Starting point is 02:08:50 Fucking now. This executive producer Gary Howard in Metropolis, Illinois, and Happy Hours in Texarkana. Oh, Jesus. The truckers are really in the worst places. They are hurting in the summertime, too. Texarkana. Fuck, happy hour, man. Oof.
Starting point is 02:09:07 Brut. Other producers this week, Peyton Meadows, Scott Rashard in Maricopa. Latasha Dickie, Nee Campbell. Is Ney the former name? Is that what that means? N-E-E. Yeah. Yeah, that means formerly Campbell.
Starting point is 02:09:21 Used to be. Yeah. All right. Latasha. Alexa, La Grotaria. La Grotaria. Sounds delicious. Loggera.
Starting point is 02:09:32 I've eaten there many times. It's delicious. The grotaria? Yeah. Absolutely the best. while. Janice Hill, Garrett Wright.
Starting point is 02:09:40 Happy birthday, Garrett. Happy birthday. You did it. Again. Don Brooks, Casey Boyce, Kristen Taylor,
Starting point is 02:09:47 Jennifer McCormick, Jorgansky, Macy Wilson, Robert Hill, Aaron Beacon, Anna Christina Acosta Shoemaker. God damn it. Perhaps Schumacher.
Starting point is 02:09:56 Let's get you have three, four more names. Yeah, get married again. Duke would know last name. Chantelle Duchain, like Andy Dufrain. Oh.
Starting point is 02:10:06 Yes, and E. Andy. Jesse DeMone. Aaron Wittsle. Aaron Elliott. Nick would know last name. Aaron would no last name.
Starting point is 02:10:16 E.R.E.N. I think that's Aaron. Wren, perhaps. Janay Riley. Victoria Chance Bella Rive. Bellarive. Connie Hill. Karen Woods.
Starting point is 02:10:25 Deek. The dude. French. Deek French. He is the dude. Ronnie. Ronnie Brown. Kenny Russell.
Starting point is 02:10:32 Brian Cargan. Cargan. D.V. This show brought to you by Domestic Vi. How about that? Rebecca Coon. That's what we're looking for. Bobby Joe Lewis.
Starting point is 02:10:42 Sean Fried. Larene, Lorraine, probably. Singleton. Karen would no last name. CRYN. A-R-Y-N. Yeah. Ginger Juniper.
Starting point is 02:10:53 Tina Manley. Sylvie Hush. Dave Bateman. Jennifer Williams. Katie Francheschi. Franceschi. Franchase. Brody would know last name.
Starting point is 02:11:05 Victoria. Ibrahimi. Charles, Abraham, Jaime, Heimi, it's Heemey. All right, cozy favor, sincere. It's probably sincere. Sinceray? Sincere.
Starting point is 02:11:18 Oh, it's censoray, a slinger. Aslinger. It's not asslinger. Sensoree ass slinger? What's good a man? Wesley Brewer, Scott and Michelle Shreve, Pamela Pettit, Gretchen Beechler.
Starting point is 02:11:33 Chasta? The Milf. Chasta, James. C-H-A-S-T-A. The Milta. That's Chasta. Kristen Davis. Not that one, probably.
Starting point is 02:11:43 Maybe. Maybe. No, it's with an E. We know Kristen Davis. That's why we asked. That's why I said it like that. Rachel Wright, Serenity Anderson, Amanda Curtis, Lauren, Laura Hanby, Pumpkin Terry, Gabrielle, Gabrielle, Cabellio. Cardine?
Starting point is 02:12:02 Cardine. Cardin? Carrie Rogers? What is Cardin? Cari. Pascal, Criner, Lee Weissinger, Weissinger, Weissinger, Keamerero, Chimero, Chimero, what? Ronica Bompus, this is fucked. Michael Dorsey, Acid, Base 32, Ryan Lundy, these are the worst this week. These are so hard. Natalie Rice, Nope, with no last name, the Dixon family, Tumora Dillisser. Dillisser. All right, Robert Hayes, Gail would no last. I read a word and look. There we go.
Starting point is 02:12:39 All right. Then I start counting letters. Kevin Ryan, Natasha Dan, Jen Johnson, Jess Norton, William Sutton, Noia G, Kit Kat Smile. Ashley would know last name. Do or do not, there is no try. Angela would know last name. B. Dory. Marseille.
Starting point is 02:12:58 Mercer would, oh, Mercer 28-0-2. Gross. Why would you do that? Jamie would know the last name. D. Prime. Charlotte Lyman. Limeon, Missy would know last name, Brooklyn, Cole, Katie Delos, De Los Santos, Leanne Scalia, Scalia, all right, Italic Macaroon, Dakota, Fireherm, Firm, Madcat Town House, Molly Johns, Jesse would no last name.
Starting point is 02:13:26 Kel made it, Shane Bowman, Diane Jones, Matthew Wells, Kate Smiley, Crystal, Crystal Arce, Arce, Shay, W, Alex, Rsey, Shay, W, Alex, Erica Terigni, Terriini, Matthew Garrett, Justina, Justina Dawkins, Jasmine Scott, Kendall would no last name, Dina Highland, Misty would no last name, Robert Charvat, Louise Tate, Louise Tate, Matt Montalvo, Brooke Belcher, Christy Adams, Kelly Chris, Willow Holkin, Savvy, Savvy, Sav, probably short-serv for Savannah, with no last name, Johnny Boy, The almond boy, Stacey Hall, Cucat, Rell, Rell, Uncut. Good for you, Rell. Scott Blubaw. Shelley would know last name. Kayla Redinger, Reinger, Samuel Penner, Ashley would no last name. Jamie Lynn McMullen, Sam Summerlin, Jennifer would know last name.
Starting point is 02:14:25 Savannah, Bacon, Aaron Barrs, Petra Slaughter, Vicki Narusowitz. Narusowitz. Yep. Jackie Eulane, Ortega. Kristen Houston or Hustin or Huston. Mia would know last name. Chloe Cain. Chloe Cain.
Starting point is 02:14:43 D.J. With no last name. Heather, what is this? Vogel, White and nerdy. Fildo with no last name. He's just a Fildo. And all of our patrons. You guys are the best.
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Starting point is 02:15:25 Bye.

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