Crime in Sports - The Adventures Of Thunderbutt Nathan Baggaley

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

This week, we find out about an Australian olympian, in a sport that we've never covered, canoeing! He had all the promise in the world, but he also had a need to seemingly try to build a giant drug empire. He is busted many times, including one attempted shipment of cocaine, that had the Australian Navy, giving chase, while bricks of cocaine were hurled overboard. This resulted in massive amounts of cocaine, washing up all up and down the Aussie coastline!!   Get out of the family oyster farming business, buy yourself a boat, under the guise of whale watching, and fling bricks of coke into the Pacific with Nathan Baggaley!!   Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports [e-mail]

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That said, let's get to it. Here we go. Let's find ourselves an asshole. And I think I found a good one this week here. This is Nathan Baggley. Bagley? Bagley. Bagley.

Bagley. Bagley. That is Bagley. Bagley. Nathan. Now, Nathan is an Australian guy. And he is a canoeer. Oh.

An Olympic canoeer. Yeah. He rose a canoe in the Olympics. That's why we've never covered this. He's got a job. So you'd go, why would this guy think he was hot shit and try to commit crimes? Well, what an asshole we have here, old Nathan, he is. He's born December 6th, 1975.

Yeah. And he was in, what, the 2004 Olympic Games here in Athens and in men's canoe sprint. Wow. This is his category. He's also in several world championships that we'll talk about over the years there. So he's a hot shit rower. Okay. His dad is Noel Baggley and his mom is Sue.

That's her name. Younger brother named Drew. Yeah. Drew. Sue and Drew. Yeah. So apparently he liked to surf and shit like that also. He's a big beach guy.

Yeah. Yeah. He likes hanging out at the beach and surfing. And him, Nathan and her brother Drew grew up in Byron Bay, which is like a, I guess, an Aussie beach town. Sure, sure. It's like growing up in, you know, Malibu or something. I don't know if it's that fancy, but beachy.

It's the nice area, yeah. Yeah, Beachy is what we're getting at here. Apparently their family is a good family that he comes from. Yeah. Happy family. The whole family's into water and sports and combining the two of them. Sure. To water sports and all this type of shit.

So he hangs out around this bire and. an area. Everybody says he's just like tanned and on the beach all the time. Sounds like an idyllic lifestyle he grew up with. Just doing great. They also were volunteer lifeguards as well

for surfing. Sure. The family and shit like that. They grew up Catholic. I was into, went to church and shit like that too. Drew was regarded as a mentor for a lot of the young beach kids. Nathan's brother here. But I guess later on, Drew kind of fell out of the scene when a lot of people said they

remembered him out drinking heavily and frequenting all the bars, basically. So he stopped hanging out at the beach and got more into the booze. He hung out at night spots like, quote, cheeky monkeys. Yeah. Yeah, got to hang out at cheeky monkeys. who wouldn't hang out there. That's such an Australian bar. That's British for like a flirty pussy, isn't it?

Yeah, it's a, yeah, flirty pussy or like, you know, you fucking perverted weirdo or, you know, put in a wink, wink type of way. So each brother was pursuing their goals. Drew wanted to be, he wanted to study and do well in school, then be part of the family's oyster farming business. Oh. Which, I mean, we both, Jimmy and myself, everyone listening, you don't know this. We both come from a long line of oyster farmers. This is a very personal, personal episode for both of us. You know, the oyster farming business is in our blood.

It's dirty work. It's dirty work. Someone's got to get those oysters, man. Somebody does. And also, he wanted to play competitive rugby. So he's into rugby and oyster farming. Again, my two passions. My two passions.

He smells terrible. Smells of oyster and fucking Dio stink air. Fucking rugby crotch he's got. Nathan focused on kayaking. He wanted to be an Olympic kayaker. Nathan made his international debut for Australia in 1997, initially competing in the K2, which is a type of kayak, I think.

February 16, 1998, this is from the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper. one relatively new team, Nathan Baggaly and Julian Norton Smith from the Australian Institute of Sport, easily won the K2-1000 yesterday. Oh, nice. The pair have been paddling together for only 12 months,

yet have already recorded a 7th World Championship placing. So they must be a good team. They got their rowing in sync. Yeah, 7th place, yeah. Their long-term aim is Sydney 2000, and if early form is any guy, would appear to be heading in just that direction.

Bagley, 22, is from Byron Bay and Norton Smith, 24, from Tasmania. Wow. But while their origins may be completely different, they have clicked as a team. Norton Smith acknowledges that their similar techniques and abilities meant they have combined successfully very quickly. They finished second in the K-2-500 on Saturday behind world champions Danny Collins and Andrew Trim, and Norton Smith said we'll be pushing them at the Nationals.

Yeah. Watch out. March 17th, 1999, photo fails to split championships is the headline. Okay, this is under the headline of kayaking. After 25 minutes and a close study of the photo finish, judges were still unable to separate reigning champion Nathan Baggaly in 1992 K-200-meter world champion Daniel Collins of Tasmania

in the world's K-1-1,000 event. at the World Championships in Sydney yesterday. Okay. So even a photo finish didn't work. It's still a tie. Yeah. Wow, that's a tie. Tie with a photo.

That's crazy. Sweden's Marcus Oskerson won the race, but Collins caught baggily on the line and the pair were named joint Australian champions. So they're joint champions. That's no fun. Yeah, you think they'd do another lap. Yeah.

You know, it's of a tiebreaker. What's up? Yeah. load it back up. Yeah. So, okay, the 2000 Summer Olympics. Okay, we have, apparently, I got the results here, I don't really know how to read kayaking results. No.

We're going to go over this. You float in in what position? I assume didn't drown as a category. That's a column you have to fill in. It didn't flip over. Yeah, made it without drowning is number one. So this, I guess he's in the canoeing. category here.

In heat two and heat three was his unit. His time, he was ranked fourth in the one in the semifinals where his time was one hour, 40 minutes, 0.884 seconds. And then

the next one, it was one hour 41 minutes, 8.54 seconds, or 0.854 seconds, but he was third. That's fast, right? Faster than I could do it probably. I don't know about How far are they going?

A thousand... 500 meters? It's a sprint. So it's a short... You got to really get up to speed quick. You gotta start digging in that... In an hour? 500 meters?

It's got to be 500 miles, right? Maybe it's a minute 40. Oh, there you go. That's probably what it is. Maybe it's not an hour 40. It's a minute 40. I figure this is like a long row. Like they're taking in the afternoon.

How far are they going? Rain drops keep falling on, my like fucking... A nice little casual row. Yeah. Casual row. I don't know what's going on. So, I don't know. And then it said here, what the fuck?

I don't know what any of this means. 4H2R2 slash 3. I don't know what that is. That's his rank. I don't know. I don't know what it means, but he was 2000 summer games in Sydney. There he is.

So September 29th, 2000, headline in the Sydney Morning Herald, Bulgarian accused of positive drug test makes final as Baggaly misses out. Oh, okay. Controversial Bulgarian kayaker, first of all, that's nice. I'm going to say that this is the only time in the history of the planet Earth that the words controversial Bulgarian kayaker have ever been put together, right? Yeah. I don't think there's any more of those. Petar Murkov this morning progressed to Sunday's final of the Men's K-1-500 in the process, and in the process knocked Australia's Nathan Baggley. out of metal contention.

Murkhov, at the center of a drugs controversy, won the second semi-final, while Baggaly, who was in second position early, faded over the last hundred meters to finish a close fourth by just 0.876th of a second to qualify for the final. So he just missed it. Bagelie's failure to qualify started another dark day

for the sport in Australia. Oh, a dark day. That's a real. Jesus. They take it seriously there? They like, our canoe team is everything. Kids have canoeing posters on the wall. It's like the dream team, except with oars. Yesterday, Australia failed to qualify in four races,

prompting Australia's high-performance coach, Noel Harrod. He's a real taskmaster. That knoll, don't mess with them. To say he would resign if Australia failed to win a medal. I will quit, God damn it. September 30th, 2000. This is a newspaper headline. Loser trains in on hope of drug ejection.

Loser trains on in hope of drug rejection. So he's hoping the other guy gets tossed and he gets to go in. Because of his drugs, yeah. So despite the apparent ruin of his Olympic campaign, Australian kayaker Nathan Baggaly has continued training for tomorrow's K-1-500 final. Hopeful, the International Canoe Federation. Who, by the way, watch out. They have authority over all of us, everybody, the international.

They're, never mind like NATO or the UN. It's the International Canoe Federation. They could really call all the shots, really. They will sustain. He's hoping they'll suspend Bulgarian alleged drug cheat, Peter R. Murkov, who qualified third fastest. Baggaly missed qualifying. Bagelie's coach, Barry Kelly, said his student would continue to train

in the hope that the ICF officials uncover laboratory results in Bulgaria that allegedly reveal Murkhov and the K2 Padler Marion Dmitriov returned positive tests for a ban diuretic a fortnight before the games. Oh, he's taking diuretics that you're not supposed to be taken. They pissed too much two weeks before the games and it's going to be gone. A third Bulgarian, Motko Chlachlov, was withdrawn from the games on September 15th due to what was cited as health concerns. Okay.

So the coach said, certainly appeals have been lodged to the ICF and IOC. So you have to assume there's a possibility that there could be an outcome and possibility that Nathan could make the final. He said, we thought we'd be on the safe side. So Nathan has continued to train. If there was any truth to the rumor, he would be very disappointed if it were to mean he misses the finals place. I would like to see an even playing field.

If it proves that isn't the case, then those who have been stuck to the rules deserve to be in the finals. Nathan can produce his drug test record at any time. Anytime. It's totally clean. By the way, that's going to be hilarious later that he can no drugs anywhere near this guy. He's a very clean drug test. He has complied with all the rules. 2002 world championships in Seville, the K-1-500 meter.

He wins a gold medal. Hey, Mr. World Champion, baby. Best Rower ever. Look at that. Then, in the 2003 World Championships, in Gainesville, that's where the world all goes. That's where we want to show the world, Gainesville. We'd like to show you a college town in Florida, everybody. Come on in, international fucking people.

He wins the gold in the K-1-500 meter again. Oh. So that 500-meter K-1, he's a badass. Really? He also competes in the K-1-1-1-thousand. meter. Oh. And he wins a bronze in that. So 3,000 feet. That's over a half a mile, right? That's a long way to fucking row fast, I would think. So September 13th or 15th, 2003, athletes aimed to win their place in 2004 Olympics in Greece. So this is him trying to do this. He had a qualifying time

of one minute, 37 seconds, 0.541, and also qualified a kayak for the 2004 Olympic Games in Greece. Great. He said it takes a lot of perseverance. It's like one big learning curve. You only get one shot each year. If you make a mistake, you'll fix it. Okay. You got to fix it after that. Eventually. Yeah. Eventually. He said he would try to meet another Olympic standard when he returns to Australia and attempts to represent his country in Greece. Additional competitor competitions will be held by individual countries to determine who paddles their canoes and kayaks in the Olympics. He said, I've beat the best in the world. Now I have to be the best in the world. Now I have to be. to go back and be the best in my country, because he still has to compete to get the slot to compete for Australia. He, so, yeah, they're talking about a big rivalry with him and Andreas Dittmer.

Oh, he's like Ivan Drago. We all know him. He's the bad guy of Germany who won the world championship gold medal in the 500 meter canoe competition. Dittmer said he won the Olympic gold medals in 96 and 2000. He said he did, did he or didn't he? He ear the newspaper. Right. That's how little canoeing matters to the basic public. They go, right. He said he won gold medals in the election. We didn't check it. I didn't think it was that important. Honestly, who gives a shit? But you could say right now, when you introduce yourself, I'm an Olympic gold medalist in canoeing and people believe you. What are they going to? I mean, you could certainly Google it now. We've fucking the 70s,

you could have said anything. Yeah. But even now they'd be like, I mean, before they got a chance to Google you, if you just said that, they'd be like, okay. Oh. Wow. You wouldn't go, you don't look like an Olympic canoe or you go? Okay, sure, why not? I guess. So Dittmer says, I hope to make it a triple. Hopes to go three.

So let's see here. In the men's kayak singles 500 meters, Nathan in the semifinals round one, final round, semifinals, round one. Okay. He comes in fourth, third, and then three second place finishes. It looks like. I don't know. Then in the kayak singles 1,000 meters,

there's a fourth finish in the final round. Round one, he's second. Round semi-final round, he's first. Oh. And then fourth in the final round. Now, the men's kayak doubles, I guess stick another guy in the boat. Looks like he was involved in that,

and he won a silver medal. Great. And, yeah, it looks like the men's kayak doubles 500 meter and men's kayak singles 500 meter. So you get him a man in a kayak and he is, now is a kayak and a canoe considered the same thing? Olympic-wise are those separate sports? Canoes are, it's a different boat altogether. I thought so, definition-wise, right? I mean, I kind of want to see what an Olympic canoe looks like.

Yeah, it's. Here he's not doing any kayak. any canoeing. You know what? It says kayak single sport canoeing. So it's the same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing. Just looking at that.

Canoing is the sport. What the fuck? Okay. So now we don't have to be confused. Yeah. And they got doubles. And they got quadruples. They got four of these motherfuckers in one of those tiny things.

Yeah. Wow. It's like crew at that point, right? Yeah, that's a whole ass. It's a whole team. Who's the captain? Somebody's got to be. Where's the coxon yelling at people?

Somebody's got to be registering this ship with the coast guard. Somebody. It's getting big. Jesus Christ. So 2005 here, world championships. So in the Olympics, he's got a couple of silver medals. Great. You can't beat that.

That's great. Well, you can with a gold. But outside of that, you can't beat that. That's the second best. Just one. Only one guy can beat him. Only one. So in 2005 in the world championships in Zagreb, Zagreb, from Gainesville to Zagreb.

He wins the gold in the K-1-500 meter. and wins the bronze in the K1,000 meter. So he seems to be better at a shorter sprint from what I see here. October 14th, 2005. This is after the world championships. Here we go. Canoeing in the paper here. Under that, it says Australian champion tests positive for steroids.

God damn it. He's a canoer. Just think about that. you don't think that guys in the NBA and NFL where hundreds of millions of dollars are literally at stake. I mean, if you can be that good, you can get a deal that guarantees you hundreds of millions of dollars, at least in the NBA.

In football, it's a little shadier with the guarantees, I mean. Sure. You know, and all that kind of shit. And you don't think a fucking Australian that does it for, if this guy will use steroids, you don't think those work. He does this shit for free. Yeah. You think that he's not going to...

The canoe they're doing too, James, I mean, if you're jacked, if you are ripped up, because they have like a leg up, they're sitting on a knee, they have a knee up, so they're like in... What position would that even be? On one knee? I mean, you're in the... Almost like you're getting ready for to sprint off in a race. Yeah. And they drop to that position where they're on that and then they pop up.

And then they got a fucking ore in their hand with this long-ass canoe. It's wild. No, it is. It's wild. If you're jacked and on steroids, you can get that boat moving. Absolutely. I totally get it. If you're jacked and on steroids, you can hit a ball 500 feet.

Yeah. You can fucking muscle somebody out of the way for a rebound. Definitely. So why would you think that all every single one of these guys aren't on something if this guy's on the shit? Give me a break. So he's tested positive for steroids and has withdrawn from the canoe marathon world championships in Perth coming up this weekend. Australian canoeing. said Thursday that Bagley tested positive for the steroid stanzol,

Stan-O-Zolol, Stan-O-Zol, and, oh, my God, methan-di-I-D-Non, which are real steroids. I've heard of those. Yeah. Like, I can't say them, but I heard them. Certainly, that's certainly a cycle. That's like some shit Jose Konseko would take or something. Like, that's not like a diuretic is what I'm saying.

And it's not that kind of thing. And ball and ball at the end of it. That's, that's, that's, yeah. During an out of competition test conducted by the Australian sports drug agency for surf life saving Australia. Okay. On September 13. Bagelie, a three-time world champion who won two silver medals in Athens last year could face a possible two-year ban. Jesus.

So, here he is. He is banned for you, sir. May fuck off. 15 months for using steroids. Shit. Luckily, well, unluckily for hip, steroids are probably the safest drugs he's going to get caught with in his life. Okay. The court of arbitration in Lausanne, Switzerland, found Baggily guilty after he tested positive for these tests.

And the international, whatever, committee has banned him for 15 months. Now, he's got an excuse, though, obviously. He can do it. Here's an article from March 13, 2006. Last September, the International Flatwater Sprint Racing Community, which... The what? The International Flatwater Sprint Racing Community. Yeah.

Not through waves and shit. Was shocked when Australian national champion Nathan Baggley tested positive for banned steroids. He was suspended from competition for 15 months. The results of the test, which were conducted out of competition, took everyone by surprise. Yeah. Bagelie is one of the top men's sprint athletes in the world and a silver medalist for the 2004 Athens Olympics.

He'd been tested for banned performance enhancing substances many times, 50 at least, according to his estimate, always with negative results. Okay. Bagelie didn't deny that steroids were in her system, but he had an excuse. Oh. Okay. This is a... What could possibly...

I had the steroids in my system. I took steroids, but listen, it was prednisone. It's for my upper respiratory infection. It's almost, no, that would be, you could almost get away with that. Yeah. This is insane. We've heard a lot of steroids excuses from people, you know, I didn't know that. They gave me a thing.

I didn't know. I didn't know. I couldn't take that. GNC gave me a bottle of pills and the guy said it didn't have it in it, but it did, whatever. Right. He said that a relative who was recovering from an injury, had been given steroids medically. Yeah.

And this particular gentleman had mixed the drugs into a pitcher of orange juice, just left it in the fridge. And Nathan unknowingly poured himself a glass of the orange juice. And then, of course, turned into the Incredible Hulk after that. I, you know, what happened? I drank the bicep orange juice instead of the... I meant to get the other kind. Instead of the Trafficana.

Holy shit. That is... Wow. Wild. He said, and this is what he wrote on his website for some reason. I am pleased to say that the judge found that I did not take any performance enhancing drug deliberately. I'm pleased. I'm pleased.

He said, I have learned a very tough lesson that as an athlete, you must be aware of everything you consume, even in places you know and trust. Get the fuck out of here. You're an athlete. You know what you're doing. And the guy, he didn't put like a posted on it that said, steroids in here don't drink? It's orange juice. What if a child started drinking it? What are you talking about?

Mike's special stuff on? Jesus Christ. You've got to be kidding me. But he said that he wants to get well and be all good and ready to bounce back in time to qualify for the 2008 Olympics. And he said after 10 years of competition,

I could seriously do with the rest. He was acting like this is actually a positive thing, this whole thing. Thank God. This is Starides. Okay. So he is ready for 2008. He is on the right path. He's rowing in the straightest line you've ever seen. The water is flat as can be still. February 7, 2007, not good. Okay. He is arrested by Gold Coast Police on Monday night. Police allegedly uncovered 762 ecstasy tablets. Seventy-touchy tablets. A lot of tabs. That's hard. Yeah.

762 is a good amount. Yeah. I mean, a bottle of Advil usually comes in 30 to 60. That's 10 bottles. That's a lot. It's a lot of bottles. It's a good amount. A quantity of unknown white powder as well.

Gee, wonder what that is. Cannabis and more than $1,000 in cash, all in a car occupied by Nathan here. And the North, what is this, NSW? New South Wales. Surf, ski reprimals. Surf Ski Representative Kane Thomas Batesi

Batesi or Batees? I don't know. Several other athletes who share a house at Mermaid Waters with Bagalli were questioned by police late on Monday night

but have not been charged. The house occupants did not include Bagelie's former girlfriend the world record-breaking swimmer Sophie Eddington who ended their two-year relationship a week ago.

Oh, he was dating her. He was dating her. She dumped him and then he gets arrested for a bunch of drugs. As a bad month. That's a bad month. Bagley currently serving a two-year sports sanction imposed by the ICF, the International Canoe Federation.

Yeah. He appeared in Southport Magistrates Court, charged with five drug offenses, all of which carry maximum 25-year jail terms. Five of them. Five of them. But, I mean, that's probably with, you know, a bunch of priors. I mean, yeah. Batisse, 19, has been charged. with six offenses. So the other guy

has been charged with six. The charges include possessing dangerous drugs, supplying dangerous drugs, and receiving or possessing property from trafficking or supplying outside Queensland. Vatis has been charged with possessing a car for commission

of a crime. So literally driving a car that had drugs in it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a separate crime, which is very stupid. Yeah. The men are confined in their homes between 7 p.m. and 5 a.m. Most of they're on house arrest. Yeah. They're due to appear in court again in April and have not entered a plea. Police alleged that Bagley and Batisse drove to Byron Bay on Monday to collect a quantity of tablets.

Police say they intercepted the car at Mermaid Waters and searched it at 10.50 p.m. And that's what they found. Now, apparently his rowing partner, Clint Robinson, said, the first emotion I had was extreme sadness for Nathan himself because I've never known Nathan to be like that. He was just always one of those blokes who was damn hard to beat if I got on the water against him or with him and a real hard trainer and it was just a very big shock to me. So if he is convicted, he will be banned for life from competing at any level under the World Anti-Doping Agency Drugs Code. He just got started. Yeah, I don't know how long you go in kayaking, but that's,

That one guy had three Olympic cycles he was doing. The International Canoe Federation imposed the two-year ban as well. That's due to expire in October of 2007. This overrides the 15-month ban imposed by that, though. So, yeah. July 3, 2007, you think he's going to really... Yeah, you got to lay low. Yeah.

Lay low. Just be on the water. Yeah. That'll calm you down. You know what I mean? No, instead he gets arrested. it again for something else now. Charged with stealing a surf ski.

What is a surf ski? Is that like a water ski? Jet ski? Oh, maybe that's what that is. Yeah. Oh, maybe it's one that you can surf? It's a craft. Yeah.

Fuck yeah. He's accused of stealing the craft from the Byron Bay Surf Club on Monday night. The place has been his whole life. Yeah. He's stealing a canoe. That all the kids are looking up to because he's, He's the guy who he's stealing a fucking jet ski. No, it's a surf ski.

It's like a fucking canoe. I mean, it's something you can go out there and practice in. But he stole a boat, yeah. Jesus. Police say witnesses saw a man leaving the area with a lifesaver ski strapped to the roof of his car. So he stole a lifeguard. A lifeguard canoe he stole to his car.

Put it on his car. He didn't go out and take it out in the water and steal it. No. On the car and throw away. This is mine now. If you took it out in the water, you'd be like, well, he'll be back eventually. the shore and see if he puts it back, but he was driving away with it.

That's mine now. Wow. He was arrested two hours later. He is granted conditional bail. So he's having problems. That's July. So it was, we went from, he's arrested, what was it? February 7th, 2007 is the drugs. July 3rd is the stealing. Then November 22nd, 2007, he is arrested again. What now?

What the fuck are you doing? He's really doing it all wrong. What are you doing, man? What's the... Life's falling apart now. But like you do this when you're, you know, you're like famous and you just broke up with like some pop star and she's fucking a rapper now and posting pictures of it. And you're... And you've got life-changing money that none of this matters.

And you've been in a sport that gives you brain damage. You're like Antonio Brown and you've got some passes, but you've taken some hits. Yeah. This guy's a goddamn rower. What kind of balls is on this? guy to think he can fucking act like this. Speaking of, Antonio Brown's got to be in so much trouble now, right? Is he still in jail?

He's in a lot of trouble. That's not good, right? He is, according to the police, he's in a lot of trouble. I don't know. He's going to end up in a lot of trouble. But, wow, is he having a lot of problems. Attempted murders, not good. Well, yeah, we did that one bonus episode where we did all the updates and he was still

like in the Middle East hiding out, wasn't he like in Dubai hiding out? They arrested him. I know. They arrested him now. He was like hanging out in a hotel room or something. Yeah. And this is, I'd still rather be Antonio Brown than this man. Yes.

Yeah. At least there's highlights of him doing crazy things. This guy's like, no one's ever bothered to take a picture of me doing anything I did because it's rowing, you know, in a canoe. Right. At least there's a reason. That shot from Vontes Burefect, at least there, you can look at that highlight. Yeah.

Well, there's probably a problem right there. There's one of his, at least one arrest with that. It's going to come from that. There's at least a series of poor decisions mixed up in that chain reaction. This guy, you don't get that from him. There's no damage here? No, there's none. So that is wild.

He's arrested again. He's facing new charges. He's being, he got arrested with his brother. Now, him and his, that's nice. You know, when your kids are working together, that feels good. Doesn't it feel good if you just see your kids, they could be doing anything. They could be one wash as a day. dish and the other dries it and you're like, warms your heart to see them working together.

These two had a bigger operation going on. They were manufacturing and trafficking ecstasy apparently. Oh, he's making it now. Making it. Pressing the pills. That's where the money is. You can't just buy them from something. You make them yourself. You get a bunch of shit from China and mix it up and press them yourself. Now you got some dough. What even is in that that you can make it into a substance? A bunch of speed, I know, number one, probably. That's probably a lot of it. The new charges come a month after he was told he can never

return to competition due to another drug. They finally said you're banned. Now, he's arrested in Northern New South Wales, along with his younger brother Drew after an investigation into the manufacturing and trafficking of MDMA. Oh, boy.

Which is what he's doing. The police said they seized 28,500 ecstasy tablets. Holy shit. Wow. Wow, that's a lot. 28,000? 28,500.

I can't even picture. I can't even picture how many that is. That's a pile. This desk in front of us right now, it's a big podcast desk. It's enough. I think the whole table full of more. Do you have a bottle of adpo? Yeah.

How many are in that? It's one of the 90 bottles. 90. Do you want to put them back to get? Empty that shit out and let's see how many that is. How about just? how many bottles is that? Yeah, look at that.

A hundred would be nine thousand. Yeah. A hundred bottles. It's 2,800 of that bottle. So you need, wow, that's a lot of pills. So, yeah. That's a lot. Wow.

That's a shitload of pills. That's a pallet of Advil. And a kilogram of powder during a four-month investigation. Wow. The kilos is a lot, too. That's a big. That's a big. That's a big.

That's a lot. A powder is a lot. A powder. That you're going to put into pills. That's a lot. They were arrested in raids on 10 homes and factories. This wasn't an accident. This is a big operation that they did.

Police said that they confiscated the drugs, and these drugs were bound for the popular Gold Coast tourist area in Queensland. The squad commander of the police people said, we will allege these seizures will have a significant impact on the availability of illicit drugs, particularly in this region of New South Wales and on Queensland's Gold Coast. For about a day and a half. But someone else will press the bills then and make them because it's a business.

It's a vacuum. Right. When one leaves, another gets sucked in there. It happens every time. It's the same thing. It's drugs, man. Have we not figured this out yet? They sell themselves.

Yeah. Remember when everyone was so high, Pablo Escobar got caught, blah, blah, blah. Another guy, a minute. The next same thing. Snaps right in. There's a void in the market. His roots, his, everything.

Someone will do it when there's millions of dollars at the state. If they determined Amazon was an illegal operation. There'll be another Amazon tomorrow. There'll be another one tomorrow. Yep. So one of these companies would step up. So in July, he was committed to stand trial for the 762 tablets found the first time when he was driving. He's got the steroids thing over his head.

He's a mess. He's a mess. involved in drugs. He likes his drugs, apparently, especially selling his ecstasy, which is, I think, how he's making money. Sounds like it. Yeah. I shouldn't have been stealing canoes then. What fuck are you doing? Well, yeah, you probably should have been able to buy one. If you've got 28,000 ecstasy tabs. Fuck yeah. People buy cars all the time from selling drugs. You can't get a goddamn canoe. What are we talking about? So, February 25th, 2009, he is going to plead guilty to manufacturing and supplying drugs.

Here we go. Manufacturing. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. So they were arrested at an apartment block in Byron Bay. And Drew was arrested at a nearby oyster lease. So he was still working the family oyster farm. Oh, my God.

That's wild. You got to keep your day job. If you're doing shit like that. Yeah, I have to. It looks so, yeah. And you can't buy a Porsche and you can't buy a big house. So why are you doing it even at that point? Yeah.

You got to hang on to the cash. So Nathan pleads guilty to manufacturing 1,509 tablets. That's a very specific number of the drug MDMA and two counts of supplying a prohibited drug. Drew pleaded guilty to manufacturing 13,500 tablets. From my math, we are still missing a lot. A good 13,000 and change of tablets. Where did those go? Maybe they charge someone else with that and one count of supply.

Yeah. So other matters listed for mention against Drew include goods in custody and being in possession of $62,000, which police say was the proceeds of the crime that will be taken into account at his sentencing. So both of them plead guilty. Nathan faces up to 20 years in prison after this guilty plea. Not good at all. And if you're going 20, it's like 20 a penalty. pill generally. Sometimes, I mean, it depends on how many you're buying. Sometimes you can drop down the price just by bulk. But even at 20, a pill, 28,000-20s is, fuck, that's a lot of money.

It's a lot of goddamn money. That's what I mean. I don't know what it took them to manufacture those, but I guarantee you that wasn't like a year's supply. That was going to go pretty fast. $800,000? What are we talking? $20.20? What's $20,000 a pill? $25,000 of them? Yeah, $20,000 times $20,000 is $400. That's $100,000 for the 20, yeah, so add that on to it. Jesus. It's an amount. Yeah.

June 3rd, 2009, here, here we go. He is going to be sentenced here. And like I said, this is after the plea. They get him up there. The court was told that he and his brother have already spent more than 18 months in prison following their arrest. So that's something you should think about. Take that into account here. and Nathan's lawyer said

it's been a hard come down from being a world champion, a revered person in his hometown internationally and nationally, to someone who has been completely vilified. Yeah. That's right. His brother Drew is sentenced to a minimum of eight years in prison for manufacture and supply of ecstasy. And Nathan is sentenced to you, sir,

May fuck off at least five years in prison. Okay. So he will be, yeah, and he's already served 18 months. So Nathan will be eligible for parole November 20th, 2012. All right. So there he goes. He is going to... As convicted drug manufacturer.

Yes. And the shit part is if you're a boxer, you can still work out in prison. If you're like a basketball player, you can still play ball. Try canoeing in prison. There's not a lot of going on. Not a lot of water sports going I would assume, especially if he's that fast, he just keep going. What are you going to do? It's a fucking river.

He set up a roadblock at the ocean. I don't know what else he did. Best of luck, much is. He ain't catching me. You better have a motor. You better have a speedboat. Yeah. So June 5th, 2009, this is from the Daily Telegraph, the rise and fall of Baggley. Here we go. In letters to the

Liz Moore District Court Judge James Black, Nathan 33, portrayed his life as being exemplary before his, quote, short period of stupidity. He caught me the first time I tried. He revealed his pain, anger, and how gutted he was when, after representing Australia for 10 years as an elite athlete, he was suspended from a sport in 2006 on what he called a drug, quote, technicality. You got caught with steroids in your system. It's not a technicality.

No one's buying your orange juice or shit. Orange juice. That's a technicality. Wow. Technicality. He said, I trained four times a day, six days a week. This took a lot of commitment and sacrificed, but I enjoyed the challenge. It wasn't until I was suspended that I found myself in trouble.

I lost my livelihood, my friends, my structured life, and worst of all, the respect of my peers. So you figured you just go all in and make tens of thousands of ecstasy tablets? No one likes me. anyway, fuck it. I'll show them. He said I struggled to accept the punishment for an offense I didn't commit. I also struggled

so I was as I was cut off from what I had truly loved and I had put so much time and my life into my sport. He said he was cut off from any support from the Australian Institute of Sport. He said quote, I felt

cheated. As only three years before I had received the AIS's most prestigious award, athlete of the year. Imagine your country, imagine the United States Institute of Sport, athlete of the year, a guy in a canoe. Imagine that. That's how funny Australia is as a country.

Sorry, Australia. I actually love Australia. It's cool as fuck, but your sports are hilarious. They really are. A guy in a boat by himself with an award. He's the best guy. A guy in a broken boat is your best act. You're your best athlete

With veins full of steroids And a cargo hull full Ecstasy tablets In America, a guy in a boat has a helmet Tablets, it's so hard Yeah, guy in a boat has a helmet in America Because that boat does 200 miles an hour Yeah, it's a fast boat

Oh man So he that's amazing They celebrated my success Yet when I found myself in trouble I was ignored and left to fend for myself Yeah, you became an embarrassment at that point He said, I sacrificed gaining a trade or a profession in order to pursue my sporting dreams and representing my country. Okay, that's not, that's not like, he's acting like that's like some like honorable.

Yeah. I sacrificed everything. You didn't go to war. You didn't drop out of Harvard to enlist because the, you know, Pearl Harbor just got bombed. Right. That would be something where you said, you didn't, you opted out of the family oyster farming business. so you could row. To make rape pills.

Grow and make rape pills. So that's interesting. He said he had no work opportunities and fell into a deep depression and he would party excessively and pretend to be happy. He said he frequently and regularly used ecstasy to, quote, forget about my problems. Really? That's what he said. It was all just to forget his problems.

He wanted to party those two years away. He's trying to say this is personal use? Personal use. So I made 28,000 of them. I really want to forget. Oh, no, it gets better. He's full of more shit here. All right.

I'd have given this guy the maximum for how full of shit he is. This is crazy. Things look brighter as his suspension ending neared. Nathan developed a kayak making business and trained hard for future competitions and hopefully the Beijing Olympics. Right. When Drew was unable to pay back Nathan's loan, meant to help him with his oyster. releases. Jesus. Nathan, who wanted his money to compete overseas twice, helped supply ecstasy to two

of Drew's clients. Right. Okay. So Drew couldn't pay back a loan. So Nathan said, I'll help you pay back the loan. Just sell some drugs. And that's an excuse. Yeah. So you got your brother into dealing drugs to get pay back a loan to you. Yeah, but you don't know, these predatory loans are such high interest. Yeah. But this is like the fucking plot of Friday. This isn't,

you're both not scrambling to get money to pay back big worm. He owes you money. If Smokey owed Craig money, I think he'd let him go for the day. I don't think they would have had to do all that shit they did. He would have been like, just get me like by the end of the weekend. Like,

you know what I'm saying? Well, Elroy won the lottery and he overspent. So we're going to have to sell some money. So fucking stupid. stupid, man. He said, also, this is a great one from Nathan, I did not receive any money from them. The only reward I would get was that Drew would get back on his feet and I would get the money back. 28,000 pills. 28,000 pills. In his letter to the judge, Drew revealed the awful impact on his life after

he came close to death when glassed in a savage attack outside a Gold Coast surf club. He got blasted by a beer mug? Yeah, he got, Jesus. Good Lord. There's way more to these two than they're acting. A hundred percent. Yeah. Way more.

Outside the surf club. Not a bar. Right. The surf club. Which probably means somebody owed someone money for something or. And he became angry when his attacker received a light jail sentence. That's what he said. So that's obviously when drugs came in.

Yeah. Now, there also been the devastation of the Bagelie's oyster farming business. his family suffered financial hardship following a 1998 chlorine spill into the Brunswick River that destroyed their oyster leases. I hate when that happens. The amount of times that an oyster spill has derailed this pod, or a chlorine spill has derailed this podcast, I can't even tell you. That feels like sabotage to his oysters, right? Somebody did that on purpose?

Who knows? Or maybe someone with a boat, who knows? Might have sunk or who hell. I don't know there's a chlorine boat. That seems like a better way to send chlorine that. by boat, right? Seems like that's a bad way to do it. I would think so.

You don't want to get that in the water. Environmentalists will have a field day with that. Yeah. They say he abandoned his tertiary studies to help support his family financially then as a result of the stabbing suffered from ongoing post-traumatic stress disorder. He became addicted to gambling

and became involved with the criminal drug world. You were addicted to gambling. That's why somebody hit you in the face. of a fucking glass outside of a place because you owed that money probably allegedly. That's just if I had to take a guess, I don't know. It seems like you certainly probably

almost guaranteed had an issue with this guy. If you're involved in gambling and drugs, eventually someone's going to kick the shit out of you. It's just the way it is. You're going to have a couple. Unless you're rich. There's going to be a conflict.

Unless you're rich. Yeah, right. Unless you're wealthy beyond everything. Then you can have other people do the problems for you. Right. That's it. Drew wrote, I was led deeper into the drug scene by a number of older, persuasive people. No. These are adults and they're, I think Drew is like 30 years old, by the way. Yeah, but I respect my elders and I do.

Yeah. That's the way I was raised. I was raised this way, okay? It's just, it's a tribute to my parents how many drugs I sold. It's just a tribute to them. Come on. Jesus Christ. Look at our family crest. See that?

It's got that that, that stands for honor. and that's just a pile of pills. Never mind that. This stands for rowing and oysters. He said, I believe they used me to generate themselves money. A gross misjudgment on my behalf. I never had dreams to become filthy rich,

and I never lived the high life. Drew's parents described him as the most sensitive of their three sons with a strong community spirit who had worked with Byron's indigenous youth and had an ability to connect with people from all backgrounds. They since had realized what dire effects

the attack on Drew had on his mental well-being. So they're trying to say he was all messed up from being attacked for God knows what. Unknown reasons, really. Yeah, feel bad for me

because I put myself into the underworld and now I'm going to prison so I should get less prison time for that. I'm paying extra consequences for shit that has nothing to do with me. No, shit. So Nathan here

is serving a nine-year sentence, which he's got to serve at least five until he gets parole. So this is amazing. He's in jail. He's serving his time at the Cessnax Correctional Center. And he is arrested in prison. Oh. And charged with possession of a prescribed restricted substance,

steroids. He was taking, he had steroids in prison. Wow. How? Jesus Christ. They accidentally put it in my red debt. It was all, yeah, that's all. It was in his juice box, but he had it.

They put it in my orange juice box. Oh, my God. Put it in my fucking Yahoo box here. It's understood that he's been moved to the Silverwater Metropolitan Romand and Reception Center and will appear in court July 21st. Wow. They said that the 2007 arrest on the ecstasy charge was featured just this week on the nine network program Australian drug lords. Oh, wow. So he's appeared on a program called Australian drug lords.

That's not good. Incredible. Sounds like he's doing a little more than trying to get his money back on one run of pills. That's ridiculous. You don't manufacture pills once. And then have to become a drug lord to make up all the walls. Yeah. You don't like get all the equipment and all the stuff and make one run and go, Hugh, got my money back. Okay, throw all that shit in a dumpster and move on.

No one does that. I'm broke even. We're good now. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So he, it's claimed that, you know, that Bagley and his brother were convicted on the ecstasy charges. They said that the 15,000 tablets that they were both convicted on had a street value of $2.5 million. I don't know how much drugs are in Australia. It's an island. Evidently, they're a hundred a pill. They're going to be a lot more in Australia

than they are in Phoenix. You know what I mean? Yeah, good point. By far. I grew up in New York, too. Pretty cheap drugs, same thing. Two point what? 2.5 million? Wow. Now, here we go. He's continually maintained that the first steroids bust was through orange juice,

which is awesome. but he said here that I've been cut off from what I truly loved. I've been left with no profession. So somehow he's gotten busted in jail. I don't know how the hell he did that. Crazy. So November 20th, 2011, he's released from jail, which is before they said he could even get out of jail.

He couldn't get parole until November 2012. But they said that he's being released, and that's that. He got picked up by his father. Yeah. Now, November 3rd, 2013, he has got to go back to court. There's a reason for that because a couple days before that, he's arrested again by the Australian federal police this time. Oh, those are drug guys, right? Yep.

Him, a 52-year-old Coffs Harbor man was arrested along with Baggilly at Tweed Heads in northern New South Wales. A third man, a 32-year-old, was also arrested. It's alleged the men are involved in a syndicate producing and manufacturing amphetamine drugs. Oh, he's got meth now? Meth he's making now. Jesus Christ. What the fuck are you doing? What are you doing?

There's a very small market for steroids. There's a little bit larger market for ecstasy. The meth market is astronomical. Yeah. Well, I would assume the, it's huge. the meth market. You get returned customers very much so. But for the ecstasy market in a tourist area

or somewhere like that, like I bet if you sell ecstasy in Vegas, you probably make a shitload of money. You probably make a ton of money. I think the Gold Coast is what they were doing. Like people were hanging out. But meth is, oh man. All bats are off. That's, you know, you could be get a corner, get yourself

a tower like at the wire and just set up shop and same people every day. Yeah. So, yeah, he is arrested. He pleads not guilty to all six charges. They said that the police, the AFP, which is the Australian Federal Police operation this year began to look into the importation of drugs into Australia. Police alleged the syndicate had recently established two clandestine drug labs, one at tweedshead and another at Corrumbin Waters. That doesn't sound like a serious place.

Corrumbin? Icarumbin. And so that's all I can think, too. Police said they had to move quickly. to dismantle the labs because of community safety concerns with labs both located in residential areas. So they got in a suburb somewhere, a nice house that doesn't draw attention. The charges are for the importation of a commercial amount of drugs. Oh, boy. What's commercial? A commercial amount.

Like, you're going to set up a Walmart and fill it with this. That's a lot of drugs. He had a Costco amount. Yeah. That is not a pocketful. That's a lot. Yeah. That's like a ship full.

Holy shit. Commercial amount of drugs, manufacture and supply of a prohibited drug. The maximum penalty for these offenses is life. Life in prison. Yeah. They said Baggley looked fit and healthy and was composed during his court hearing, glancing at his family but not showing any emotion. His mother and father are present as well as his pregnant girlfriend who was visibly shaken.

You dipshit. Get a fucking job, dummy. Jesus Christ. Bail was not applied for, but was formally refused and Bagley will remain behind bars. So he can't even get out on bail. His lawyer said that his client would defend all the charges and that his client is holding up well and he's doing great. So he's going to remain behind bars here for a while. He's got to appear again to do pre-trial shit or figure out whether there's going to be a trial. So February 25th, 2015, this is fun. Good headline, by the way. Clever wording.

Breaking bad news for Olympia Nathan Bagley. So breaking bad news is real, news thing, but it's also breaking bad news. Yeah, also breaking bad news for, yeah. He pleads guilty to making meth. Wow, they must really, people, he just pleads over there. Really? He pled guilty. I guess it's hard.

If you're in a place and they bust in and you're standing next to mountain piles of fucking powders, it's hard to say you didn't do it at that point. Yeah. What are you going to say? You're with it. Yeah.

You have the stuff. It's difficult. It's not even like a murder is even, if there's no DNA, it's all circumstantial. This isn't circumstantial. If you were standing next to the corpse with a gun in your hand, you're in trouble.

You're in trouble. It's it. So you better plea. So, uh, or plead. So he had to face nine charges on the manufacture import and supply of large amounts of drugs. But having admitted at a court in Sydney to conspire, uh, conspiracy to manufacturing and manufacturing a marketable quantity of meth, other charges were withdrawn. So he pled to two and they dropped some. Um, so yeah, he was, um, he's really having problems here.

Um, his brother drew. Oh, that was last time. No, that was this time. Okay, he's arrested. His brother, Drew, also pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting the conspiracy to manufacture drugs. Oh, boy. So he's got to appear in court, too. November 20th, 2015, Nathan says he's extremely embarrassed over his involvement in the drug manufacturing syndicate.

Oh? He's embarrassed. Yeah. He says he's remorseful and extremely embarrassed about this. He, you know, he said this is. it's not me, you know what I mean? I would never. At his sentencing hearing,

the district court heard that he had been targeted by other inmates in jail too. Oh. Now he's being targeted. In one incident here, he had been hospitalized and given stitches after he was punched and rendered unconscious. There.

Baggley said during sentencing, I've had my dramas in jail. That's some drama? That's the problem. It's not like, Like, you know, when Mike Tyson went to jail, nobody fucked with Mike Tyson in jail. No. Nobody.

What are you going to do? You can't make a weapon big enough to be able to take him down. You can't stab him. He's still going to beat you to death. That's a problem. While he's bleeding to death, they'll beat you to death, period. You know, or a big, you know, a big offensive lineman or something goes to jail. They'll probably kick the shit out of you.

Also, if you get hit... Jason Williams, he's seven feet tall. If you get hit in the face by him, there's, going to be problems under the skin. Major problems. Right. Yeah. You may take the punch. You may eat it very well. It's not going to be okay. Let me get ugly afterwards. He said, I'm obviously a profile person due to my sporting background. And yeah, it does attract a lot of attention. It is possible it could happen again. He said the crimes were an act of desperation. Oh, desperation. He said, my role in the operation, I was just a mere gopher.

Go for what? Low level, man. Coffee, sandwiches, whatever they needed, man, just low level. Yeah. And said his crimes were an act of desperation and a last resort. He said, quote, I am extremely embarrassed, to be honest. Yes. And Drew also said he apologized to the court for his actions and said he felt ashamed and regretful.

And, yeah, they said that. The lawyer here, I believe this is his lawyer, said, told the court that at the time the syndicate started making thousands of tablets of 2CB. What is 2CB? I don't know. The drug had been legal. Oh, I think it was like probably one of these like a, like a vibran, like a no-dose. Synthetic? Okay.

That type of thing. And then they outlawed it and said it's meth. And they were still making. Oh. Yeah, it's probably trucker speed or something. Probably, yeah. Yeah, you can see that. Drew said in regards to 2CB, I had the stupid belief that if a drug was legal, it must be safe.

That is in fact not the case. And they said that the brothers were involved in making drugs this time to raise money for Drew for reasons which were not revealed in court. Drew, get a fucking job, man. What is your, yeah, why is it always, Drew has a gambling problem. Yeah, we found out before. So those don't go away, by the way. No, no, no, no, no, no. They do not.

You can claim bankruptcy. They're coming back. Ooh, they're coming back. You think a heroin habit is hard to break? Try gambling. Right. Especially now. Right.

Now that it's so easy. You can't get heroin on your phone. No. Like, I mean, you can't, like, put your phone up to your arm and it goes in there and get you high. Whereas you can literally grab your phone and feel better if you're a fucking gambling addict. That is not good at all. 2CB is bad shit, James. It is a psychoactive drug.

It's a synthetic psychoactive. So it's a psychedelic hallucination and stimulant. So it's meth that makes you freak out. And it's probably, it was probably marketed as like legal ecstasy. Yeah. Because we had a lot of that shit flying around the U.S. for a while too. Tunis Venus Nexus, Promo spectrum.

Yeah. It's a, oh my God. It's mixed with, quote unquote legal. Yeah. It's a, it's a pink cocaine thing. Sudofedrine in it and shit like that, I'm sure to make it, you know, give you enough. And they often, they often, They often use it for ketamine and MDMA.

There you go. That's where we're going. That's his stuff. He just loves powders. Stop with the fucking powders. God damn it. Stop gambling. Stop with the powders.

He's doing the two worst things you can do as a human being that's self-destructive. Pick up a fucking fosters and relax, bro. What are you doing? Have a drink. Ressel a crock. I don't give a shit. Do something. This is terrible.

This is going to ruin your lives. Yeah, take a picture with a kangaroo. Do Australian shit. What are you doing? This is ridiculous. She wants some eucalyptus. Yeah, you're ruining everything. Now, their parents, Noel and Susan, also took the stand briefly and described how they would support their sons and their rehabilitation upon release from prison.

Upon release, the boys would live with their parents and work for the family's oyster farm, the court heard. Sue Baggley said, I'm a very proactive woman and these boys just don't know what they're in for. She tried, that's like a parent who gets you out of trouble at school, like, oh, he's in way more trouble at home than he is here. So, you know, you can go, don't have to suspend him for a month because I'm really going to lay down the law. They tried that in court. I'm going to check his ass when we get home. They literally, they have no, these boys don't know what they're in for. They're in their 30s.

What are you going to do? Your Honor, we're going to force them to work oyster farms pay free. They are grounded, number one. Number one grounded. No internet. No PlayStation. I will not allow it at all. They can eat that shit.

They're going to chuck oysters. Wow. That's incredible. So they sat side by side again at the court dock, these fucking idiots. So they have to come back for sentencing. They pled there. Now, March 18th, 2021. Some time goes by.

Not quite sure what happened with this sentencing on the last one. Since it's Australia, we get some gaps and some stuff that we can't. fine because we're not there and we can't have access to some shit. But, okay, so he was sentenced there. Now, March 18th, 2021, he's in a lot of trouble again. Again? He's in a buckload trouble. Oh, yeah.

He is in court pleading to something because they have been charged with attempting to import a commercial quantity of a border control drug cocaine this time. He is really going. There's nobody that's gone up the ladder like these boys. No, they're into drug making. They plead not guilty to attempting to import up to $200 million worth of cocaine into Australia. Who were they going to get that from? Well, that's probably over time.

Yeah, yeah. It's that. So they are arrested. This is bad shit. Yeah. They're arrested. They're going to plead not guilty, but this is real bad. The prosecutor told the jury that drew Baggley and another man allegedly set off from Brunswick heads.

in a small boat at 10 p.m. on July 30th, 2018. On the morning of July 31st, 2018, this is a quote, more than 600 or 360 kilometers offshore of foreign ships at waiting. The jury hears how it's alleged that the boats met in the middle of the empty ocean and a crew from the larger vessel quickly moved to throw black parcels containing more than 650 kilos of cocaine. onto the smaller boat. Wow.

That can't be too much of a smaller boat because that right there. That'll sink it. Yeah, that's, well, I mean, 2.2 pounds. So 650 times fucking 2 is goddamn 1,300. Jesus Christ. It's a fucking lot of weight. The prosecutor told the jury that each parcel contained up to $300,000 in cocaine, and the entire hall was worth up to $200 million.

That's unbelievable. Which means if that's true, if any of this is true, they had to be in a bigger syndicate working for other. Where the fuck are they going to get this business? That means that somebody somewhere is missing a fuckload of cocaine and they are not happy about it. Not happy. But this gets factored into the cost of doing business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They lose some.

You're going to lose some batches. Yeah. Now, they said that unbeknownst to the people on the boats, a surveillance plane hovered ahead the whole time. Okay. Watching them. Wow. As the small boat with the two Australian men headed back to shore, the court heard Royal Australian Navy vessel ADV Cape Forcroy began its chase.

So now they have a naval ship after them. The court heard the skipper allegedly began arguing with Drew Baggaly who urged him not to stop. The boat, he's saying, fuck that, go. And the guy's like, no. He said he was instructing him to keep going, get back, get away. The court then heard that. that Drew allegedly began throwing parcels into the water as the Navy ship grew closer. They won't find these.

Oh, my God. The court heard that the Navy allegedly retrieved nearly 600 kilograms of cocaine from the water. More parcels continued to wash up along the East Coast in the months that followed. That's awesome. Imagine that. You're looking for seashells and you're going to come home. I found something better than seashells. So much better.

much better. Oh my God, there's so much better than seashells. Check this out. So much better. Oh, my God. You got to come to the beach. We're going to the beach tomorrow. We're going to the beach tomorrow. We're always going to the beach tomorrow. We're going to the beach tomorrow. We're going to the beach. We're going to the beach. We're going to be able to find more. I love seashells. They're great. So that's amazing from Port Kembla and New South Wales as far north as Yapoon in central Queensland. That is awesome. That seems like a long way. The court heard drew back. and the skipper on the boat were arrested and charged by Queensland Water Police that afternoon. They were told that the Olympian Nathan Bagley was allegedly involved in setting up the exchange and waiting for the men to return. At one point sending a text, quote, how's things? You moving that, fine? Yeah, and then he said, how's things? I'm on standby. let me know what's G. dot, dot, dot, dot, the text allegedly read.

The prosecution alleged that Nathan had purchased the boat for more than $100,000 along with navigation equipment and a satellite phone. Wow. They're setting up a giant drug empire that Nathan has. He's out of his fucking mind. The court heard that his fingerprints were also allegedly discovered on the underside of the black tape used to hide the boat's registration number. Oh my God. In an address to the jury, Drew's lawyer cast doubt on the boat skipper's claims

implicating him, you know, Drew's involvement in the attempt of drug smuggling and said, you'll have to decide what, if any of it, you trust at all. The defense attorney said. Nathan's lawyer described much of the evidence as circumstantial. At best. I mean, a man fleeing from the Navy while throwing fucking kilos of cocaine off. a boat is very circumstantial, everybody. Come on.

Particularly referencing the fingerprints being found underneath the tape on the boat, allegedly. He said it may well be that he's touched the tape at some time in the past. To cover the registration, why? Why?

Why would you do that? Yeah. That is crazy. So he's awaiting trial here, you know, in jail. He's him and his brother in deep, deep, deep. So much trouble. Shit.

Yeah. There and so, but you know, what the problem is, though. At this point, they're used to living more of a high lifestyle. Yeah. Like, they live in, you buy in $100,000 boats. You're kind of living in style. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, like, they're used to a certain level of comfort that they're just not getting in this jail. Yeah. Instead, they're getting beat up and they're, you know, getting fed kangaroo cakes or whatever the hell they eat over there. I don't know. So, you know, they're having a hard time. They need to spruce this joint up a bit. Oh, yeah. There's only one man who can help him. It's a long, flight, but he's willing to do it for this particular case. It's Dexter Manley. Hey. Interior designer from New York City.

And he says, how is it you've come to arrive here? Seriously. Oh, my God. Like, I bet you just, especially, this is the funny part. You, Drew, little one, little Drew there, little Drewski, DRU. You like little Drew Hill. Look at you. You, my friend.

See, this is stupid because you were fleeing in a boat. running away. Am I right? Running away from the Navy, right? First of all, and if it was me, I would have said, listen here, Navy, guys, you take me over. But anyway, you take it. You take it.

You just take it. But you were going, and your brother's like the fastest rower in the world. Yeah. Isn't that ironic? And you, you just couldn't get away fast enough. You couldn't row your little self fast enough to get away from these people. But Nathan, you're pathetic. I'm sorry.

You're white trash. You are. I'm sorry. your white oyster trash and that's all there is to it. You're like searching for pearls and a shell and it's just pathetic. You just get in your little boat

and you just row away, Mr. Because I am not dealing with any. And this cell is gross. You too. Stop shitting in the same place, okay? Because I will not decorate this at all for any of you guys. Vince McMahon, he wouldn't even take the trip over.

He said, I'm not interested. I'm not, they're on steroids. Yes, he was like, that's interesting. Of course. I love a guy on steroids. But no, thank you. So I have to go now. And poof.

in a cloud of boas and feathers and all sorts of shit. He's gone and the boys are very confused. They think, how much ecstasy did we take? Holy fuck, this is crazy. So anyway, March 24th, 2021, Drew, a witness tells the court that Drew hired him to drive the boat in an alleged attempt at drug smuggling. He said he helped three-time world champion kayaker

and his brother try to smuggle all this. cocaine into Australia. And this is Anthony Draper. He gives evidence and he said that you know, explaining his role here. He said, I guess it's alleged that Nathan had bought the boat along with

navigation equipment in a satellite phone and prepared his brother for its use, including concealing the registration. The prosecution also alleges that they drove it to the Brunswick Head's boat ramp and planned to be there when Drew and Mr. Draper returned with the drugs. and he would be responsible for storing them, meaning Nathan would.

The prosecution told the jury that Draper and Drew boarded the boat, traveled to 360 kilometers to meet the foreign ship, and obviously they were seen and there was a chase and everything else. Mr. Draper told the court that he had been recruited by Drew to, quote, drive a boat to pick up Smoko. Smocko? Smokko? Smoco. Smoco? I don't know Australian drug slang. days before they headed out to see. He said that Drew said, come up and drive a boat for me

and I'll pay you some money. That's about how it goes. He said he thought Smoko met marijuana. That's what he was picking up. Not, you know, the fucking a Mexican province worth of cocaine. Not that much. So he said that Drew asked him to use encrypted messaging software

and promised him to pay him $10,000 for helping. Oh. So that's a good day's work. Certainly. He also, he said that Drew paid for his flight from Sydney to cooling gada. He said, I had no money at the time. If you're broke and someone offers you $10,000 for a day's work, you fucking do it. Once on the water, he said that the pair discussed where they were going and what they were picking up.

He just said, we're going to pick up some pot, some smoco. Mr. Draper then told the court that once he reached the, quote, big red boat, the people on board were South American or Latin speaking. Oh. He said some of them had guns, some were yelling out. They threw over some black packages and we put them on our boat.

He said he became concerned about the quantity and weight of the packages and yelled back to the crew, Too much smokeo. Too much smokeo. Too much smokeo is the greatest No ma'amoco. Too much smoke.

In an Australian accent, that's great. Too much smoke. Oh, man. Too much. Too much. Too much. Too much. I have to write that down.

That is going to be the title of this episode. Too much smokeo is amazing. Holy shit. Too much smokeo. He said they were yelling out, it's not pot. Uh-huh. And he said they were saying, no, no, it's cacca cacao. Yeah, cacao.

Yeah, cacao. So he say it. He then said, he said, he asked Drew what was really inside the packages, and he said, don't worry about it. Just keep loading the boat. It's cacao. It's cacao.

Don't sweat it. You don't know what that is either, so don't worry about it. I just said, what the fuck is it? And he said, let's just get it on. Yeah, just get it on the boat. They began driving back to the shore when Draper spotted another boat, and Drew told him to just keep an eye on it. He said, quote, he said, just keep driving, keep going back to Brunswick.

So this guy said, I shit myself. At first I thought we were going to get robbed by pirates. Yeah. He didn't think it. He was hoping it was the Navy. Yeah. Because at least the Navy's not going to kill you probably. Rather it be them.

Yeah. So he's pants full of shit here. Yeah. And he said the pair realized shortly that it was a Royal Australian Navy vessel that had, quote, got us. And they decided to dump the packages. He said border patrols were chasing us and we threw them overboard. So, yeah, the court also heard that they dumped their phones and a radio into the water just before a Queensland police boat reached them. The court previously heard the Navy try, I retrieved nearly 600 kilos of cocaine from the water with more packages washing up on the shore.

The court was told Mr. Draper's currently in custody, but before he was convicted for his role, he agreed to give evidence against the two brothers. So he flipped. Yeah. He's the flipper. He's just there for 10 grand. under cross-examination, the court, he told the court that he had written letters to Drew while in jail, saying, quote, I'm sorry, I tricked you. Oh. Now, that works.

He tricked Drew. The court heard he also wrote a letter to the brother's parents. He said, I wrote it for Drew. I wrote the letter just for his mother and father, so they wouldn't feel so bad that it was him. So that's, he's, in one letter, he wrote, I quote, I want to fix this up and tell the cops. the truth that you thought it was tobacco. Yeah, right. Okay.

Anyone on a boat meeting another boat with fucking parcels on it in the middle of the ocean? That is not tobacco. A hundred percent. Unless it's like a seminal tribe or something. It's not tobacco, okay? It's just not. Ah, that's amazing. Well, Mr. Draper told the court he had not been coping well in jail.

And in one letter, he said, I have to get out by any means. possible. He said, I'm thinking about talking to the AFP to get a discount on sentencing. So they're trying to say that he's lying. But to me, the most he could be lying about is he's more involved than he said he was. Right. But Drew and Nathan are still just as involved. There's still the guys. You know what I mean? I thought he, Drew thought it was tobacco. That's so funny. That's crazy. Now, March 21st, 2021, trial of Olympian and brother may be aborted over jury safety concerns. This is a big operation.

It's not just these three guys. There's guys with guns and shit involved here with this kind of product. So the trial involving an Olympic kayaker and his brother accused of trying to bring $200 million worth of cocaine in the country may be aborted after a juror claimed they were followed from

the court and threw a Brisbane train station by someone who had been in the public gallery. This seems a little stretchy to cancel the goddamn you can put a fucking alternate in there. and watch the jurors. I don't know. Sequester them, I guess.

So, yeah, they're on trial. It began Thursday, March 18th, and was scheduled to go to the middle of next week. But the jury concerns, and also at the time, COVID cases had spiked in Brisbane, could derail those plans. The judge said the concerns were sparked by, while Anthony Draper, that's the boat driver,

the third person accused in the case, who pleaded guilty, gave evidence against the Bagelies. They said during the evidence of Mr. Draper, there was a concern that there was a group of young men in the gallery who were staring at the jury for extended periods. And that at least some of the jury felt the intensity of their stares. Intimidating them. They were eye fucking the jury like they did in the wire when they bring in a whole bunch of people or in an old mob case when they do that. It's the same shit. That is wild.

So they said, secondly, one of the jurors felt they were followed on Wednesday evening when they were walking to the Roma Street train station. They said, despite changing course, that juror felt that one of those persons was undertaking the same course that they were and that they believed they were being followed. They said, as I understand it, those concerns were shared among the jury. It's clear that this is an open court and people can come and go. If people are staring at jurors, that's a concern and I will be more vigilant and so will be the bailiff. For sure. Yeah, I got to come over and fucking clock that guy in the head. What are you staring at?

But what if it's just she's hot? whatever yeah i mean don't don't beat me she's hot um juror number seven is fucking smoke show what do you can't stop looking yeah can't stop looking they said we can't know who these people were associated with this is the judge they could have had something to do with this case they could have nothing to do with this case they could have something to do with someone who has given evidence so you can't make assumptions about why they were staring or who they were associated with on the first day i said how important it was that you brought a completely impartial mind to bear on this case. If for any reason, any of you feel that because of what has occurred, you can't be completely

impartial and be seen to be completely impartial, I would like you to write me a note. So the jury was sent home early on Friday and would have the weekend to consider whether they could be impartial. Okay. Just ponder that for a couple days. Sit around and think about that for 48 hours? Apparently so. Depending on how many of the jurors returned on Monday, the-

and told Justice Lyons they could not be impartial anymore. The trial might be aborted and a new trial with another jury held later in the year. Right. Okay, wow. Instead, on March 29, 2001, three people described only as young men have been identified and banned from the Brisbane Supreme and District Court building after the jury involved in the Bagley Brothers trial claimed those men were staring at them for long periods of time. Oh. So they figured out who it was. one of the men who came into the public gallery last week was also accused of following a juror from the courthouse to the train station.

So that is not good. So, yeah, I guess there was a risk the jury would be discharged on the Monday, but they came back and they were fine. The investigation of the identity of the three young men in the public gallery gathered speed at the weekend and by Monday they had been identified. Justice Lyons confirmed with the legal counsels involved Monday that there had been no applicable. applications made to discharge the jury. So no jurors said they can't be impartial. He said the safety concerns that were raised have been looked at and the investigation is ongoing and we don't know why the persons who were thought to be staring were here. If they do come in the courthouse again, they will not be allowed to enter the court building. So those three persons have been identified

and will not be allowed back in the building. You should feel content that these arrangements are made. It's a very mob boss thing to say. You should feel happy that I've done this for you. You're welcome for that, by the way. The jury safety concerns were sparked by the Anthony Draper whole deal here, the group of young men and people being followed and all that kind of shit. Now, April 1st, 2001, it's going to be verdict time here. They are both found guilty. Okay.

By the way, they showed footage captured by authorities in the air and on water, showed the men in a dramatic high-sea chase, and Drew throwing dozens of bullets, bundles overboard before finally being apprehended. That is fucking hilarious. That's so funny. So anyway, they're both, they're going to, they pled not guilty, but they are found guilty.

Yeah. Nathan said about the boat, quote, this is amazing. He said that he purchased the boat with money given to him by Drew, but he was told he only was buying the boat because he thought it was going to be used to start a well watching business. Oh, my God. where they serve orange juice on the boat full of steroids. His excuses are ass-a-time.

On board a shipment of tobacco. We don't know. You never know. Some smokeo. Who knows? This is goddamn ridiculous. Holy, what an idiot. A whale watching business.

He said I had no suspicions whatsoever that it was going to be used for anything like this. Wow. I had no idea any of this was going on. What a dumb-dum. What a dumb. I was waiting at the shore. So when they pulled up with. hundreds of kilos of coke.

You wouldn't have noticed that? You would have said, wow, did the whales give you that? Right. Is that what you said? Was that whale food you loaded up to take out there to chum the waters? He also denied using an encrypted messaging application to his contact, to contact his brother while he was out at sea. Drew told the court that Draper was the orchestrator of the plan, and he only thought

it was involving importing tobacco. He told the court he was only supposed to organize the money. purchase of the boat with money from Draper and had been, not even from Nathan, and had been physically forced to help him physically. After he agreed to navigate the boat out of the Brunswick River, he said, this guy has just turned on me. It's just, we were going out looking for whales and dude, the next thing you know, man, it was crazy.

It's all just coke. It's so much coke. I was just panicked. He said, I went flying backwards and he just kept going straight out to sea. He goes, you're coming. with me whether you're like it or not. What? Dude, these two brothers have the dumbest, worst excuses of all fucking time.

Imagine the shit they got away with with their parents when they were kids. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. It was the whales. It was the whales. These excuses had to have worked on somebody at some point. At some level, yeah. This is horrible, man.

Jesus, you're going with me whether you're like it or not. Drew told the court that Draper threatened that if he did not help him, his family was dead. I'll kill your whole family. The court also heard Draper, agreed, who agreed to testify, tell all the shit we said too. So there is a letter here from Draper that's in to Drew. Remember he said he was trying to help Drew by writing him letters?

This is, and it's in his handwriting, so excuse me if it'll take me a second to read some of the words. Hey, Drew, how are you? you. Isn't this letter with the trolley boys sealed so the screws won't read it, the guards? Right. It's now a month gone by since we were arrested. I'm not handling jail very well, and I have to eat out and I have to get out by any means possible. Fuck, double exclamation point. It's fucked. How do you, how do you do jail? He spells jail, G-A-O-L. That what?

That's jail. Every other word is spelled normal. I'm thinking about talking to the AFP to get a discount on sentencing. I know you were tricked and you didn't know it was Coke. We were picking up and I something for you a lot. I something for you a lot. Sorry for everything, but I can't do jail anymore. My health isn't good and I'm not coping.

I reckon I'm going to talk to the AFP, whatever. I have to get out of jail and this mess. It's fucked up in here. Same shit every day. Fights, standover, shit, and junkies. Can you send me a letter when you can? Hang in there, hang in there, mate. You'll be fine.

The truth will come out for you in the... end, your mate. Draper. Which couldn't sound more like I, the police won't read this letter, I'm sure. This couldn't sound more like this is everything we want to be said. Okay. Now it can finally be revealed. Apparently it wasn't revealed until this.

It was sealed their other conviction. The brothers had previously been convicted over their involvement in the scheme to produce the 2CB. So that ended up being. convicted and all that kind of shit. He had pled guilty and they were both sentenced to more than two years in jail for that. Oh. So that comes out at that point. Okay.

July 27th, 2021, here we go. It is sentencing time. They have been found guilty of attempting to import a commercial quantity of a border control drug and all of this type of shit. They heard everything. They've heard about the ridiculous naval shit. They've seen it on video. It's terrible.

It doesn't look good at all. Drew insists that the dozens of packages, he insists he thought they contained tobacco. Really? And Nathan said he didn't even know there was tobacco coming. He didn't know anything. I didn't know anything. He thought he was in the well-watching business and the next thing you know he's getting cuffed. That's what he said.

He knows nothing. So the judge here rejected the brother's claims and sentencing them on the basis that Drew Baggley was. a principal organizer of the operation and that his brother was actively involved on the day the two men went to see and was set to be rewarded substantially for his role. During a sentencing hearing, the prosecutor told the court that the men came from a stable background and had been motivated by greed. Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like. Yeah. The opportunity to pay off a bunch of loans. Yeah, yeah.

Totally. Dude, if you have the like stick to itness and the fucking like, forer, to become an Olympian, you can do anything. Yeah. You can literally do anything if you can do that. You should be able to do anything. I'll put it that way. And any business should be very easy.

You should be able to figure it out and make something happen. Well, they were. They had a good cocaine business. That's the business they chose. It's wrong business. So he said both of them had the capability to achieve. Both of them had setbacks of various types, but neither of them were in the grips of addiction.

That's the other things. And neither of you were hooked on Coke. That would be a mitigator for me if you were trying to keep up your Coke habit. Ultimately, their involvement was to make a very large sum of money. They both have extensive criminal histories, as we've discussed in the last hour and a half, in all of the drugs and everything like that. Both have served time in prison over drug-related offenses. So they said Drew has spent more than 11 of the last 14 years in jail.

Wow. And when he wasn't in jail, he was importing massive amounts of cocaine. Huge amounts of cocaine. Holy shit. Now, lawyers for both men told the court that they each suffered mental health issues as well, including a long-term depressive disorder for Nathan Baggley. You know, for fucking his life up beyond recognition.

Disaster. What did Ellsworth say on a deadwood hammered, flattered and hammered shit is what he's what he's done here? So, yeah. Drew is sentenced to you, sir, may fuck off 28 years in prison. Holy fuck. With a non-parole period of 16 years. I thought it was tobacco?

I thought it was tobacco. Oh, wait. Hey, future Australian drug importers. I thought it was tobacco doesn't work. It's not going to fly, guys. That's not going to fly. And then our guy Nathan here, he is sentenced to you, sir, may fuck off, 25 years in prison.

Holy shit. And we'll be eligible for parole after 12 years. He's going to be almost 50 when he gets out. He's going to do it again, right? This is all he does. It's all he knows how to do. And I assume in prison he's just going to make more contacts with more drug people. And what else do you do?

If you were that good at this where that's not the first shipment they got, they must have been doing well. So if you're good at it like that, what else do you do? he's back at it in 12 years. If we stop doing the podcast, you pick up a mic and you go on stage and you go do fucking sets. That's what I do. That's what I mean. I'd be doing that. That's what you do. So that's what they got.

Holy shit. It's sad. So they're fucked. Not sad. These guys are idiots. No, they're just dumb. They're pathetic. They're idiots. Yeah. So the judge said it was important that their sentence would signal plainly to people that they're offending

is serious and that their punishment acts as a deterrent to others. He said to make it clear that actions of this nature will receive quite substantial penalties. And the judge also said she accepted that neither of them were at, quote, the apex of drug distribution hierarchy, but that both played an important role and said your motivation was clearly for financial game. They're not at the apex, but they're right in the midst of it. They're right in the asshole of it.

$200 million of cocaine is certainly apex, in it? That's a lot. It seems like a lot. You're close to it. Wow. Now, Nathan, he goes to the court of appeal, and now he's representing himself. He has turned into a full-fledged crime and sports lunatic. I never thought we'd get this much crazy out of a canoeer.

You know what I mean? Nice, man. He's a guyacker. He is accusing his legal team of incompetence by not passing on his. appeal instructions correctly to the main lawyer, apparently. He said, for the past 10 months, arguments that I wanted to proceed were not advanced. He argued that three phones he was found with did not prove he was behind the encrypted account labeled, quote, Thunderbutt. I am not Thunderbutt, is what he said.

Thunder butt. Holy shit. Yeah. Thunderbund. But that is amazing. What was the name of the thing? Is it Thundergun from? It's always sunny.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think it is. Oh, it was a shit. Is it Thundergun? It's Thundergun. Is it? I don't even fucking remember now. Thunderbutt.

That's pretty good. I am not Thunderbutt, Your Honor. That's what he had to say in court. This is the account that communicated with Drew and Draper mid-voyage. He said he unlocked the first phone for police and it did not have encrypted messaging apps Wicker or Threma, which had been used to orchestrate the drug plot. Nathan also unlocked a second phone but said he couldn't open Wicker or Threma. Couldn't open it.

However, he said this phone was not used in the crime because it was found to have not been used for months. A third phone, an encrypted cipher phone and ciphers with a capital, so I assume that's a brand, was not unlocked for police. But Nathan claimed that phone could, quote, could not make calls, make text messages or download. other apps such as Wicker or Threma. Then what the fuck was it for? Right. You can't download apps, make calls or text. What can you do with it?

What do with that phone? So it's a camera? Yeah. Is this a camera? You said? It's a Nikon? It's not even a phone? Is that how you listen to the radio in every country?

That's it. Jesus. A fourth phone police believe might have been linked to Thunderbutt has never been found. Police alleged Nathan could have disposed of it before he was searched. Yeah. the water. So he probably threw it in there. He said, I was under constant police surveillance

from the moment I was in Brunswick heads until the moment I was searched. And at no time was I ever seen disposing of anything. He said, when I was searched, I was found not to have that phone. I did not have that phone because it was never me communicating with the boat. Now, in a response, the prosecutor said that a phone was pinging off a tower in Brunswick head on the morning Nathan was found near the boat ramp where Drew and Draper were meant to return. She said the phone could have already been disposed of in the area and could still ping off the nearby cell towers. So he could have dumped it before. So they're going to deliver that here.

June 18th, 2024. Okay. A date has been set for them to stand trial again. So apparently the appeal went through and they're going to stand trial here. Okay. Because this is 2024. The brothers had been sentenced. Both men have since won appeals over their convictions with the Court of Appeal ordering retrials.

He's on a boat throwing cocaine into the ocean. I want an appeal. What the fuck is happening over there, guys? I didn't know you got to take all these tobacco so seriously. Wow, this is fucking wild. So during a brief review of their cases, they did a new trial date here. Nathan Bagley's lawyer said that the further pretrial hearing would be a substantive matter, and the latest developments follow Drew's bail application in the Supreme Court being rejected.

Despite offers of a $50,000 surety, Supreme Court Justice Melanie Hinman found that Drew was a potential flight risk. Yeah, I'll get on a boat and would risk breaching his bail condition. if released. The court was told Drew was also facing fresh charges related to allegations. He possessed a contraband mobile phone and flushed it down his cell's toilet. Okay. That's a goddamn good toilet if I could take a phone. He has indicated he will fight those charges as well, but they can't take any responsibility. Drew and Nathan's charges of attempting to import the drugs here. That was in 2018. Nathan is alleged to have purchased an inflatable dingy, fitting it out with $10,000 worth of equipment.

communicating with his brother over an encrypted phone using the alias thunderbuck. Now, it also alleges the dumping in the ocean, yada, yada. Okay. Now, in an appeal, Drew's counsel argued a miscarriage of justice occurred due to the trial counsel's failure to adduce evidence relating to Drew's alleged ownership of a phone. The court was told, Drew believed the packets contained tobacco. the judge addressed this during the recent bail application and how it was a vital part of the evidence. He said the applicant will give evidence at trial,

among other things that he thought parcels contained tobacco, didn't know it was cocaine. The relevant phone was not his, and he's not the primary instigator of the importation plot. He was dragged out there. Now, October 17, 2024, Nathan is going to plead guilty to one count of attempting to import.

a commercial quantity of drugs. He pleads guilty, and so does Drew. Same charge. So they probably got a lesser sentence, basically. The judge said they're going to find, they need to have attorneys available for a sentencing hearing here. So they are returned to custody ahead of sentencing, though.

Now, November 4th, oh, by the way, Nathan's, that was why Drew's was thrown out. Nathan's appeal was passed through and affirmed because, or not affirmed, it was overturned, because it was, uh, the conviction was unsound as the jury was not properly instructed to avoid its guilty verdict from being dependent on his brother being found guilty first. Oh. Okay. Either way, he's guilty now because he's fucking pled guilty.

Um, so, uh, this is the crazy part. They're re-sentenced again here. Oh, man. Um, They are going to be sentenced first, as you remember, 25 years in jail and 28 years in jail. Yeah. This time they are resentenced, and they said the court was now unable to prove whether either brother positively knew they were involved in the importation of cocaine specifically. However, the brothers ultimately alleged accepted their role in the failed drug plot by pleading guilty to the charge.

So they are going to, by the way, the packages were 30 packages measuring 50 centimeters. long, 30 centimeters wide, 25 centimeters high, wrapped in plastic bags. Seems big? Bricks of Coke. Big bricks of Coke. You've seen them. Square groupers, as they called them in Florida. So, yeah, they said they talked about how they picked them out one by one and sentenced to flee and all this shit.

So Draper, by the way, was sentenced to 13 years in jail for this. Now, while this is happening, they are going to be sentenced again now, obviously. Their sentencing is going to come through much different than before. We'll put it that way. Okay. Nathan's role, this is what the state or the fucking island or the head kangaroo or emu or whatever the fuck said. The region? They accepted that Nathan did not know Draper.

Oh? And said Nathan's role is succinct. in the sense that he was on standby on shore and was involved in a short period of time. It was his boat, I think. Right. They said Drew, Drew's lawyer told the court that his client since pleaded guilty

to profoundly different allegations made against him by the crown and earlier sentencing remarks are irrelevant. He said that his client had a reckless state of mind for a period of two days for the criminality of involvement. He just lost his mind for a couple days, decided to import $200 million. worth of cocaine. I got to watch myself to make sure I don't do that every once in a while. I just lose my mind. I'm like, I'm going to import hundreds of millions of dollars worth of

cocaine. I think I should do that. He said his client should serve a head sentence of 15 years, but be granted immediate parole as of Monday, allowing Drew the opportunity to apply through the correct channels. Nathan's lawyer said his client should receive a similar head sentence to that imposed on Draper, which was 13 years. So the judge ordered both brothers to be eligible for parole on Monday after they've each served, they served 19169 days and 2787 days respectively. Six years? Yeah, basically.

So they said that the judge said he accepted the submission that the facts are profoundly different compared to the Brothers 2021 hearing and said the size of the importation nonetheless is very relevant factor in his sentencing. So, buckle up. We'll have an update soon, I'm sure. Amazing. If they're both out on the street, you know, I assume. Now, I can't find there's no memorabilia.

There's no, like, signed ore on eBay or anything. They'll sign kayak or anything like that. There also is no Nathan Baggillies at all. Wow. None. No mistaken identities, which is one of the first times that's ever happened. Amazing. And there's no net worth, but anywhere from zero to,

to 500 million depending on the day would be his net worth. We don't know. He's got a shitload of coke on him. Never know. So there you go, everybody. There is an Australian canoeer. How do you do it? And how is he such a fuck-up?

Yeah. We've had huge fuck-up guys that we've done and there's not this much fucking up in it. Unbelievable. He is at the king's shit of fuck-up mountain this guy is. He is a mess. So there you go. If you like this show. And you know what?

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If you want to go to Buffalo, get your tickets. It's Royal Oak, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Dallas, San Jose, Sacramento, Terrytown, New York, and then Boston, as we like to shut that year down with Boston. Always fun to be in the fall and winter. Pretty amazing. Big it there. So come and check out a show, shut up and give me murder.com. Then you've got to get yourself some Patreon.

Oh, boy, do you? Patreon.com slash crime in sports is where you get all of the bonus materials. Anybody, $5 a month or above. We're going to get everything. We're going to get everything. Hundreds of bonus episodes immediately upon subscription you've never heard before. Half small town murder, half crime and sports. You get them all.

And then you're going to get new ones every other week. One crime in sports, one small town murder. This week, it's Christmas. I haven't figured out what the crime and sports Patreon is going to be. It's going to be in two weeks. But the small town murder one is going to be old-timey crimes because it's been a long time. And I get so many requests for more old-timey crime. So that's what we'll give you for Christmas or for the new year.

So do that. And then you, on top of that, you also get all the shows we put out, crime and sports, your stupid opinions and small town murder all ad free. Add free with your Patreon. And you get a shout out at the end of the show, which happens to be right now. Jimmy, hit me with the names of the most wonderful, wonderful people who are just sitting around a fire right now. Roasting marshmallows. Tell me all about them right fucking now. The executive producer, Ashley Williams, Cindy Marante, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows.

Gary Howard is in King Hill, Idaho. How about that? Gary, that's far. Tripped for you. Gary, be careful, bud. I saw he was driving in the snow the same night I was driving on the snow. I thought that was funny. Probably that.

Look at that. Terrible shit. Yeah. Tiffany Gonzalez, Mange Sanja. Sanja. Remember him? Hey, Mange. I don't know.

I can love mine. Eight years later, I still don't know how to pronounce his name. Yeah, he's one of our. our first patron ever. Yeah, yeah. He really is. Talena Johnson, Jensen. Tulana Jensen.

I know Tolena. Dorothy Katz, Janice Hill, and Robin Baldah. Thank you all so much for what you're doing. Thank you. Other producers this week are Ryan Bender. Happy Hour in Jeffersonville, Ohio. Oh, boy.

Yikes, the poor bastard. Nicole would know last name. Dolores Barfield. Jessica Mascarini. Stephen King novel, Dolores Barfield. Is that a person? No, it's Claiborne. Oh, okay.

Zach Fisher. Don't make literary references to Jimmy. I'll do that. I'll go, what are they? Of any of his kind, even pop culture. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, I've got Andrea Borer. M.K., Valerie Kinsella,

Joe Bob, Bo Diddley, Flavorade McGee. Whatever that means. Oh, wow. Jeffrey Jones, Liam Poza, Marty Johnson, Sarah Green Tree, Tiffany Hayes, Heather Little, Scott Whitla, Val Doggy Dogg, Val Doggy Dog, get it? Yeah.

Because it's Snoop. You do the doggy dog. All right. Jay Slam. David Colander. Colander. Angie Griggs Bridgeman. Richard Woolley,

Taryn Barker, Mary Bertram, Ava Laterman. Mel would no last name. Grace would no last name. Kimberly Valdeza. Joe Portman. Sean Lauer.

Kristen Day. Beatriz Rojas. Lindsay Doe. Hanyuick. Dowhunu. All right. Jenny Beach. What is this? Miranalika. Miranilika Singh Dave?

I think. Maybe not. Jack's Lou Beck. That would be amazing. That would be the most incredible. He's psyched for you. He's so proud. He's so proud of you. Amanda Herbert.

Amanda Briss. Amanda Brie, perhaps. Keith Magert. Franklin, no last name. Anna. Anna. Bootenhoff. Whatever that is.

KMTC. Arena would know last name. And this is where it's going to get weird. And I'll tell you why. Bridger White, Adam Wolf, Emily Mace, Tiffany Albrecht, Allbright, perhaps. Tim Crone, Philip Arena. There's never been Arena in this ever, and I've got several.

So I imagine they are all related. I hope. Ben would know last name. Family Arena. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tybee-era Colbuk, Colbooch, Ash, Maynard, Gillian, Arena. There's another arena. Katie would know last name. Ben would know last name.

Ty Wood. Anne-Marie Schultz. Jesse Rose. Brooks Friedland. Shelby Patrick. Lauren Husky. K.J. Johnny O'Mara. Johnny Omerer. Shannon Anderson. Baca Cruz. Basketball player? Perhaps. Ashley Marshall. I don't know. Morgan would know last name. Regina Falange. What? Like the fingers, right? Those are phalanges? Yeah. This is with the pH, though. So perhaps not. Donna Dorn Dornboes.

April Young, Christopher Leopardi, Rachel Bramer, Anna would know the last name. Beth Sparrow-Linderberg, Linderborg, Marin would know the last name. Bob Van Westenberg, Jay would know last name. Tony Dodson, Ben Fala, Justine would no last name. Josh Oaks, Justine Marie, Zero Stars, if I could. Jared Simmons, Krista Zienbo, Caitlin Newhart, Erica Stevens, Liv would no last name. Jen would know last name.

Anna Caballero. I believe, is that cowboy? What is caballero? Boot? It's Spanish for something Western. Torrean. The great skater back in the day, Steve. Was it caballero? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then there was Richie. The dragon on the board. Max is the lead singer of Soulfly. But that's Cavalero. Cavalera. Never mind. I don't know. I don't know.

Solfly's lead singer at all. Sepulterra? Gun to my head. Chris Coats. Cassandra Griffin. Monster Cock McGillicuddy. Torian Britt, I said that. Roger would no last name.

It's a humble motherfucker with a big ass dick. A huge one. Stephanie Dalton, Glenn Cating, Joanne would know last name. Jud would know last name. Jimmy Anuzewisiewski. Alexandra Macca, Macaghan, McCogan.

Jill Alder, Teneal Witten. Marissa would know last name. Marlisa would know last name. Jewel would know last name. Noel Royer and all of her patrons. You guys are the best. Thank you. Thank you so much, everybody.

Wonderful, fantastic bastards. Thank you for all you've done for us all year long. And for the next year and just for the last almost 10 years. You're amazing. As we said, the 500th episode is coming up, which will coincide roughly with our 10-year anniversary of doing this show. So we're going to do a really good episode and a really fun one, somebody that people have heard of.

We'll do one of those. It's going to be a good time. And just thank you for all you've done for us forever. Hope you have a good week, spend time with your families, whether you're a Christmas person or not. and still spend time with your family because you'll probably have it off anyway. I'm not over there anyway.

Yeah, you should love... When I was a kid, I loved Jewish holidays. I got them off. I didn't know what was going on, but I loved them. Same thing I would think everybody would think for Christmas if you don't celebrate it, you get it off. Fucking hang out with the family. Have fun, and come back and see us next week.

Merry Christmas, everybody. And live from the Crime and Sports Studios, we'll see you next. Bye. Thank you.