Crime in Sports - The Church Of The Octopus - Robert Rozier - Part 1

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

This week, we start the epic story of a man, who made it all the way to the NFl, but barely played, due to his off the field craziness. He ran from 32 arrest warrants in Canada, while playing for the CFL, and was also wanted in California. So, he ends up in Miami, Florida. There here joins a crazy cult, that lives communally in an old wharehouse, and under a leader that has insane ideas, and performs his own circumcisions, and "taught" young girls about sex.    Disappoint your military parents, nickname yourself "The Gorilla Pimp", and join a massive & murderous sex cult with Robert Rozier - Part 1!!   Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!   Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman   Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS, STM & YSO merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com   Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS, STM & YSO!!   Contact us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/crimeinsports [e-mail]

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Crime in Sports. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petra Gallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you so much for joining us today on another insane, crazy edition of Crime and Sports.

Hope you enjoyed the Quentin Daly trilogy there. Yeah. That was fun stuff. It's kind of a tragic figure. It's kind of a sad. Sad. Sad. It was just never really

Had the guidance to be a proper adult really And then he acted like a child When he needed to act like an adult And then when he finally got his shit together And acted like an adult And then he dies So it's very sad Just too late

You're like oh that's nice He's doing such nice things Oh shit now he's dead He got really fat dude That was I sent you that picture He's like Sausage Wow

He looked like Mr. Winslow From fucking family matters Like he was like a big but fatter, like a big fat fuck. It was sad. Today we are going to start a series on, there's a lot of murder in this, by the way. This is just like a lot.

We did an episode on this guy way back, I believe it was maybe episode 11 or 12, something along those lines, way back in the day, when we had no access to proper research as far as books, as far as newspaper archives. Yeah, we didn't have anything back then.

We couldn't afford it. Literally, there was a book. book. I was like, oh, that's like $8. I can't afford that. I'm going to have to look up and find snippets online, whereas now we can do a proper research on this. It's Robert Rosier, who was in a giant cult, the Yahweh Benyaweh cult, and there's murders, and this is a fucking epic crazy tale that we're going to start right here. Absolutely nuts. Before we get into that, though, definitely check out, shut up, and give me murder.com. Get your tickets for live shows for small town murder, get all your merchandise there.

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This is Robert Ernest Rozier and, of course, Jr. Jr., obviously, yeah. He was one of the guys where we started noticing the pattern. I remember this. We were like, another junior? Why are all these guys juniors? Was it always the guy? What's going on with that?

And then by the time we hit Otis Nixon, Otis Jr. Nixon, Jr., we were like, okay, that's all it is. It's worth that. And we recently found out the Horace Jr. Grant, Jr. That's, we found that out too. And we also found out the strangest middle name of all time, which is Vernan. Lorenzen Verngania, right, which is the strangest thing that he's not even from Minnesota. So anyway, Robert Ernest Rozier Jr., Robert Rozier, NFL player and cult member and murderer and you name it.

This is a wild fucking tale. So let's jump right in. He is born July 28, 1955. he's born in Anchorage, Alaska. Oh. In 1955, which is before Anchorage was a state even, or Anchorage, before Alaska was a state. Okay. So he is from a territory.

He's the territory of Alaska. Frontier. Is where he was born, yeah. Which is strange for a giant black guy. Now, if I say, if I show you a giant black guy in like 1975 and I go, where is he born? And you go, well, obviously, Anchorage, obviously. Might be 49 other. guess it's clearly anchorage i would say uh it's very strange here he's got several uh aliases which

we'll get to later on uh because he's going to need them put it that way uh so a little bit about his background his father of course is robert senior uh not a lot to not a lot to unpack there so he's born in anchorage but grew up in california um everybody Wild choice. Yeah, he's an Air Force kid. That's why he was in Alaska. Military. Yeah, his dad's in the Air Force.

So everybody said he was, his family is, quote, a highly structured family, his college roommate said. Better known as military. Yes. So he comes from a very buttoned up background. Yeah. So this isn't like a lot of our guys. It's like, oh, well, yeah, his dad took off when he was a year old.

And his mom had like four jobs. And, you know, she was also selling crack on the side. So, you know, he was able to run the streets at night all by himself and joined a gang at six. This is none of that shit. This is a structured Air Force, military family, probably cared about school and grades and... Likely. Keeping the corners crisp on the bed and all that kind of shit. So people also said that he was quiet and a bit standoffish as well.

Okay. Which probably comes from moving a lot, I would think. Yeah. You either get extra... Well, guarded. Yeah. Either extra extroverted. or you kind of get a little guarded until you get to know people, basically.

They also, the college roommate, said that Robert hardly ever talked about his parents also. Didn't really talk about them. You can't say anything nice. No, that's the other thing. And when he gets in trouble later on, his father, Robert Sr., wouldn't really talk about him getting in trouble. He said, I don't know anything about the charges. And that was all he would say to the press. We're handling it in-house.

Yeah, don't know anything about shit. The charges. The charges later on when he's in trouble. So, yeah, he, I guess, grew up by the Air Force base there. I guess, and Rancho Cordova is where he grew up for a little bit here. He's a terrible student. Not good for a guy who needs to pass to play. I don't think he needed to pass to play back then, but still.

He had a 1.32 average in high school. That a boy. Which is in the D range. That's a D. which honestly, I don't think that's what I graduated with. It really wasn't probably. They gave me a diploma with that shit,

I had like two subjects I got like hundreds in, like perfect, and then I got everything else. I don't care about that. I'm not doing that and I just didn't do it. So that's kind of how it worked. I got a D and I was like, I'll take it. Oh, if I got a D and like math, I was like fucking yes.

66, that's passing, baby. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't care. I got a couple of Cs. And I was like, that gives me a pass on a couple of assignments. Yeah, dude. I'm not.

I knew I wasn't going to be anything that had to do with advanced mathematics. That wasn't going to be anything I was interested in. So who cares, you know? I was really good at math until I found out that you didn't have to have four credits of it to graduate in high school. You only had to have three. Yeah. So I took the two hard ones my first two years. And then the third one, I skipped junior.

then my senior year I took consumer math, which was learning how to balance a checkbook, James. Yeah, and adding, if this is a cup in three quarters of rice, now here's an eighth a cup of rice. How much do you have? I'm telling you, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I knew what I know now about how my life would have went, I would have done even less in high school.

I would have done even less. If I knew, I didn't think it mattered at all. And then I found out how even less than that it mattered in my life. It didn't matter at all. I've never been asked for a diploma for anything or anything like that. Nothing. Yeah. I mean, I think if they, I think on a job application or any application when they say,

what's the highest grade level you've accomplished, if you say 12th, they just take your word on it. They're not going to go break that diploma out, chief. You know, that's not going to happen. They've never, I've never been asked to prove it. Nope. I mean, no. If you say a graduated from Yale, they might ask you to prove it. If you say I graduated from fucking Shadow Mountain High School, they go, I'm sure you did.

I've got, probably, right. Who cares? Yeah. I bet he did. That's funny. His high school, this is crazy, his high school's athletic director said this about Robert. This is the athletic director. He's in charge of all the sports.

That's the guy, yeah. He wasn't the kind of guy. you'd want to take home and meet your daughter. So that's a... What's that mean? Wouldn't want your daughter going out with this guy. Kind of a scumbag is what I get out of that. But the director of sports...

Yeah. Said that about you. That's not a great guy. No. And that's what everybody says about him. He's just not a great guy. He's just a real asshole, this guy. Yeah.

Your math teacher wouldn't know that about you. They wouldn't have enough info, probably. When you show up to the football field, you're being your real you. And you're spending hours there. Yeah. Also. It's hard to hide that. Hard to hide it after a while.

But he's a great athlete. He played defensive end for the football team. He is called, quote, an aggressive player with a cause. Somebody called him there. So he's 6-4, 240. God damn. In high school? Yeah, he has a great vertical jump.

It can't be this. They must have fucked this up. What does it say? Okay, I guess he did track and field. They say, quote, he could high jump. This is in the newspaper. High jump six feet, seven inches. Okay.

So three inches? Six feet seven inches off the ground. And vertical jump 10 feet, which I'm like, I think of basketball and, you know, combine vertical leap is, you know. Your verticals. 40 inches is pretty goddamn good. You know what I mean? So I'm like 10 feet. That's crazy.

But I think that's a different thing. Four seven in the 40. which for a big defensive lineman is still not bad. And in the 70s, it was great. That was amazing. And he benched pressed 375 pounds. This is in high school.

Wow. It was a big, strong fucking kid. Real big and strong. Oh, my God. I have January 5th, 1972 from the Sacramento Union, because he grew up outside of Sacramento here, talking about him playing basketball as well.

In this particular game, he only has scored four points where Cordova, beat. Who the hell is this? Casa Robel, 70 to 55. So, yeah, then there's all sorts of him in these lineups for not only football, but for basketball, for track and field.

Like, he just played every sport. He's in this, one of his younger years here, before he's a senior, he's only listed at 6-2, 200 pounds. So he grew over high school a lot, too, which is kind of neat, I guess, here. There's a lot of, I have a lot of articles about him. you know, being an effective football player in high school, just killing it. They said, Connors picked up seven and fullback Robert Rozier carried three tacklers to the two. So he was going both ways, too.

He's playing defensive end and fullback, which is pretty impressive, actually. Then there's a little bit of a problem. This is when things start to come out. July 31st, 1974 from the Sacramento B. And basically, he and another play. don't show up for the All-Star game. For high school? For high school.

They just ghost the All-Star game, which is not real smart. So they say the case of the missing Cordova football players, half-back Rod Connors and defensive end Bob Rozier from the Sacramento County roster for the 18th annual Optimist All-Star game has been solved. Okay. Let's find out where they were. Where did they go? Connors, an All-Superyer California selection and an All-American team,

picked by two publications, decided to stay home and work rather than report to the team's University of California at Davis training camp. Rozier, an all metropolitan area choice, became ineligible by not graduating from high school in June. Uh-oh. That's his problem. Yeah. One just didn't do it, but he can't do it. That's the, Robert isn't allowed.

See, I had a D average, but it's because I had a D and everything. He's got a D average, but he's failing a couple of things. Yeah. Yeah. And who knows if he picked that. up all his credits he needed. Yeah. We don't know here.

He's not going to graduate. No, they said that the game director was surprised when neither star appeared in Davis Monday morning and sent out a search party led by a Cordova athletic director, Guy Anderson, the same guy who wouldn't want to take Robert home to his daughter. Anderson informed them of Rosier's status immediately, but a trip to the Connors' residence found the Cordova star asleep. This is great. Rod said he couldn't play due to personal.

personal reasons, said Anderson. He has to pay off the cost of a recent automobile accident. I don't know where he's working, but he trailed off. So, yeah, they don't know. So anyway, he can't play because he's not, didn't graduate. Right. So he was recruited, though, here for football by UC Berkeley recruited him. Is that right?

Which is a really exceedingly good school, by the way, as far. far as academics go. Education, yeah. You have to, you have to really. You got to be not a D average. Not a D average at all to get in there. Then again, Jason Kidd went there. So, and he's a fucking moron.

He's kind of dumb. He's not kind of dumb. He is dumb as a stump. Yeah, and that's the, even the tip of this dumb iceberg. That's the pinnacle of his knowledge. Yeah. We did an episode on him. He's fucking dumb.

So we were like, if he, wow, they don't give a shit if you're, dumb if you can play sports up there. They don't fucking care. So he was recruited there. His teammate said that Rozier was the best athlete on the team. He ended up having to go to Gray's

Harbor College. I don't even I'd never heard of that. Gray's Harbor. Gray's Harbor. That sounds really nice, doesn't it? That sounds scenic and it sounds like you're going to have fun, shirt off in the sun with chicks and bikinis all around. That sounds great. Gray's

Harbor. Sounds like it's in like fucking Nova Scotia or something. That sounds awful. Jesus. Or some shitty enclave of Washington where it literally never sunshine. Never sun shines. It rains 366 days a year.

There's some like depressing Irish town somewhere. Going to Grays Harbor College. It's awful. So anyway, he was the best athlete on the team though because he should have been in a real program. They said it seemed like this is from the Sacramento B seemed like just about every college in America was interested in recruiting

Rosier until they found out that he never bothered to get a high school diploma. Oh, boy. Like, he can't even do that minimum amount to be able to take the next step. Like, that doesn't show very good. Not good at all. They said, quote, this is the coach at Gray's Harbor Junior College. And where is it, Jimmy? Aberdeen, Washington.

Some shitty off the life of Washington. Pow. where there's never any sunshine. Isn't that where fucking Kurt Cobain is from that made him so depressed? Things where he shot himself, yeah. I thought he shot himself in that house in Seattle that. Was it not in Aberdeen?

We found out that neighborhood he was in, remember? Oh, it's still in, okay, that's in the actual city of Seattle. He's from, they're from Aberdeen. Aberdeen's slogan is come as you are. Yeah, yeah, no, it's come as you are and then kill yourself in a very sad little room because this is sad. There'll be somewhere else.

There'll be somewhere else. So, yeah. Now, this coach said they dropped him like a hot spud. Okay. Potatoer spot. Hot potato. When Cordova, hot spud. When Cordova refused him a diploma, Rozier was outraged to be eligible for NCAA football.

He needed a diploma, so he enrolled at Gray's Harbor where the coach, I think that's the coach. Yeah, the coach said he was, quote, spoon-fed Mickey Mouse courses. Jesus. Bad. They said before Rosier got his degree, someone from the University of California at Berkeley, quote, snuck him off the campus. He got rifled out. He must have had a sugar daddy. That's what the coach says.

Okay. Apparently he was. Learned what a cup and three quarters rice plus one quarter's cup rice equals. I don't know what this coach is talking about. I don't know. Imagine sitting in this, like, being a player on this guy's team. and he's like, listen to everybody. Now, when you get in there, now, what I want you to do is you're going to need,

now, pay attention everybody now. Hear me. You're going to need to hit the dipstick when you're in there. Now, I'm not saying that that's the easy thing to do, but your dipstick's going to have to be sort of aligned with the chakra of a lizard. Now, all I'm saying with that, but what the fuck are you talking about? What is happening right now with you? What are we doing?

I'll kick you out of here like a hot tot. What are you all? A hot sput. We'll kick you out of here like an onion ring that done fell on the floor. You're like, what are you talking about? Why? Snuck him off campus. Throw you out of here faster and a dog licks is worm-infested asshole.

Oh, you know it. At least that makes sense, though. Yeah. This is what makes no sense. He got rifled out. He must have had a sugar daddy. Okay. Maybe he had somebody looking out for him, I guess.

He had somebody in the school that was willing to overlook his shortcomings to get him on the football team. And then February 19th, 1976 from the Sacramento B, bears recruit two more gridders. In other words, gridiron people. Darnell Chapman and Bob Rozier have signed national letters of intent to play football in Berkeley here. Nice. So, Rozier, who prepped at Cordova before attending Grace Harbor College in Washington is a defensive end prospect. Prepped at Cordova? Is Cordova a prep school or is it just a...

It's Cordova High School, yeah. I don't think it's a prep school. What are we doing? That's, yeah, try to make it sound a little better. That we didn't... There, he failed. We didn't recruit a guy who got a 4-18 on his SATs. That's probably better.

We didn't recruit a guy with a 1.3 GPA. Oh, shit. And then just below that, you know, you think that's exciting news from the Sacramento B. Yeah, we got two gridders, James. If you're a golden bears fan, but even more exciting, right up. under that is where the real excitement is. Exclusive. New breakthrough from Denmark.

What do they do? It goes beyond everything, both in quality and explicit diversion. It's a movie called Danish Pastries. I can't. What? The girls, I guess, are Danish pastries. Good Lord. Plus Tina Russell in Campus Girls.

That's also there. Is this porn? Yeah, it's a porn movie. These are porn theaters. It's the 70s. Danish pastries. Danish porn. Danish porn and then campus girls,

if you're just into that. And also held over the first real breakthrough in Oriental Bondage, everybody. Held over. Finally, the Orientals learned bondage. Now I can rest.

Fuck. God, damn it. I don't know what's up with that. But it says Susie Chung and Big John Holmes. Look at that. Oh, yeah. Wow.

A legend for God's sake. Susie Chung and Big John Holmes in Cowloon Connection, K-O-W-Loon connection, Cow-Loon Connection. L-O-O-N? Yeah. It says it's Canadian? I think it's something Asian. Cal-Loon. Oh, yeah, maybe that is, yeah.

Yeah. It's the real thing, all new is what it says, plus a second feature, Passion Pit. Oh, we got a double feature. Got a double feature. The Passion Pit. Then there's even more playing at this theater. This is a movie called Big Bad Bula. Oh, boy.

What's she doing? And it says the riding started when they got off their horses. This is some weird Old West porno. There's a leather creaking and shit while they're fucking, this is going to be weird. Plus two hot co-hits and then another theater. These are all different theaters, by the way. Yeah. They're just like they keep their lads together.

Just all porn all day long. Triple hardcore. for hours of nonstop hot action featuring dozens of beauties. They're not even telling you what movies they are. We just got lots of... It's so fucking hardcore. It's triple. It's just porn.

Good Lord. Then right under that is featured in Playboy. King Size Waterbed, waterbeds, day rates available. This is a motel. This is a fuck motel. Gross. In the 70s, they had specific motel. that were just for fucking.

That sounds great. I'm going to be sick. Oh, man. A waterbed? How do we miss this, Jimmy? In a motel? In a motel. Not even a hotel.

It's called, quote, the experience motel. Ew. I think it's 324. It's hard to tell. It's an old newspaper. 324 Capitol Avenue, West Sacramento, California. That's West. That's disgusting.

And it says, X-rated movies on closed circuit TV, as usual. As usual. As usual. And water. You can get on a waterbed and watch a porno and fucking there. That's how it works. I hate that more than anything. And then right under that, these are all connected, mind you, down the side of a page.

Porn, porn, triple hardcore, Oriental Bondage, all the way down. Then the Eaglet Children's Theater now playing young Abe Lincoln, a musical. Those are all together in the same fucking place. Gross. Do I want to see Oriental bondage or a bunch of nine-year-olds with top hats fucking playing a baby. Or maybe I just rent a waterbed motel and make it up on my own. Oh, dude, this is disturbing. Gross.

So, yeah, this is a, and there's special group rates to see young Abe Lincoln. Now, while at Berkeley here, his coach was Mike White. That was the name of his coach. Berkeley is very elite academically. And basically, the university fires Coach White for recruiting undesirables, is the way they put it. Stop fucking recruiting people that can't go to school here. It's crazy. Like Robert Rozier?

Yeah. Well, the Berkeley administrator, Ralph DeLoch, said Bobby was one of Mike's recruits. In other words, hands off. Aren't we distance? That's Mike's problem. I was assigned to be Bobby's roommate to keep him clean and out of the United States. of trouble. He's an administrator. Mm-hmm. Oh, that was a different guy. Bobby was one of Mike's kids. Ralph Deloche is the

captain of the football team. So they assign the captain of the football team to keep this guy together. Brilliant. Look, you're a leader, blah, blah, blah, you're older. He should listen to you. He said, we all wondered what in the world he was doing there, meaning at Berkeley. The fuck is this guy here. Deloche, who went from captain of the football team and Berkeley student to a probation officer, which seems like a really odd life trajectory. You went to Berkeley and you're a probation officer? How fuck are you doing? That's how bad he is.

I'd like to make $31,000 a year. I mean, back then they probably made $18,000 a year. But he can show you the math calculation to show you how the speed of light works. Perfect. Great. Show me my physics while I figure out how long I'm going to be on probation. While you screen my urine, teach me physics. So they said he has mixed memories of his roommate here.

He said he was the best athlete on the team. That's the one thing he said about Robert Rozier. And you can take nothing away from his football talent, too. He's a big, fast, athletic, really, really good player. But he also said Bobby was the ultimate manipulator. He could tell you bald face straight out lies, and he knew no one would ever call him on it. Which is a good training for his future in a cult.

It's perfect. It's really good. You need to be able to tell bald face lies right to, people's face. At college, and this is, I remember this. As soon as I saw this when I was going through everything, I'm like, oh, I forgot all about this. This is great because it's been 10 years.

But in college, wow, he gave himself a nickname. Do you remember that nickname from like over 10 years ago? No. It's amazing. Is it, uh, it's the best nickname to give yourself? If you gave it to him, yes. If you called him this, no good. But he can call it the gorilla pimp.

Right. So is he a gorilla who pimps or is he pipping gorillas? We don't know. But either way. Does he have a stable full of gorilla pussy? Because he got a bunch of gorilla hose in his stable. So he nicknamed himself the gorilla pimp. That's what he wanted people to call him.

Okay. Now they went to the Rose Bowl. Oh. That when he was there, though. He found an apartment in Oakland. DeLoch, the captain there said he found a nice apartment in Oakland, played in the Rose Bowl, dated lots of girls, and used weed and cocaine recreationally, as everyone did in the late 70s. And especially in that area.

Yeah, he's a little early on the cocaine in the 70s, though. But the weed, and the weed, he's a little late. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's just always there. But the Coke was like trendy then, but very expensive still. It didn't drop in price really. the early 80s. That's when it became a little more available. So you had to be like a cool person to have coke back then. He also kept a pistol on him all the time. Nice. Perfect.

They said he collected parking tickets. Yeah, that's a Pokemon. Jesus. Like, I'm going to park here because I haven't gotten a ticket from this district yet. I'm going to, I need that for my collection. Sacramento police once arrested him for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, but we don't know any detail. on that and they never came out. So that can't be good. For some gals. For some chicks.

Jesus Christ. He had a pit bull that followed him around campus. And I'll just read from the newspaper. That way it's not my fault. Here we go. This is a newspaper. I have nothing. I don't know.

Around campus, his pit bull, Nig followed him around. Yeah. What? Yikes. I don't even know what to say about that. That's, I mean, okay, became this football team's personal mascot of sorts. Ah, God, because everybody is now celebrating in the ability to say half the worst word ever.

Well, Rosier, when teammates would be like, why did you call him that? He would say, just don't say the end of that word. Just don't finish it up. There it is. And you're good. Call him that. Okay. Who cares?

It's not a bad word yet. Eventually, someone stole him. It was in the 70s. You couldn't say that. Somebody stole. stole his dog. They said he left like a baby when they stole his dog. I would too.

I would too. Yeah. At Berkeley, he's always one of the, you know, this is a, Berkeley has a big, think about the 60s what happened in Berkeley. It's a very well-known campus because of the protests and all that kind of thing. Political, yeah, upheaval. Yeah. Everybody said he was really angry in college.

Oh. Yeah. One influence on his thinking was Harry Edwards, the paper says, who was a famous sociology professor who champions the cause of black athletes shortchanged by basically what he calls a system that just uses them for their bodies and then pumps them out. Which, you know, still exists today, except now they pay the guy sometimes. So, Rozier is not going to graduate, by the way, also. No. He's not. So he played two years at junior college at Grey's Harbor.

and then 77-78 he plays at Cal, or Cal Berkeley. So, but that's it. That's four years he's played. So he's out of eligibility at this point. That must be a thing that they do in California. If you show prowess in the sport, they move you to like some piece of shit and help you get through it and then transfer you to a big place. It's everywhere. It's not just California.

It's, that's, you think everybody in Alabama's got great grades? You're making big points. Down there, they just give the kids the grades. So they can play football. It's the same thing. That's all it's important. Yeah, they don't give a fuck down there. It's the same thing.

It's everywhere with the athletes. It's gross. That's what they do. But they did that to John Madden too. John Madden, just by looking at Gray's Harbor, because I was fascinated with it. He went to school there. He went to school there for six months. Yeah.

Before they moved him over to Polly. Okay. That makes sense. And then he never played a professional down ever. He heard himself. Yeah. John Madden wasn't. That's crazy.

It reacts like the guy knows everything about professional football. Go fuck yourself, John. You never played a down. Yeah, no. Neither did Tom Landry. Neither did most of the great coaches. Don Sch. It's just hard to listen to it now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I agree. I agree. What the fuck do you know, John? Yeah. He coached it all that. He was like one of those football junkie. He just knew everything.

I mean, Al Davis is a new. Yeah. Al Davis does not get enough credit. People hate Al Davis because the NFL hated Al Davis, so they really put out a promo campaign to hate Al Davis. but anybody who like kind of likes a smart guy who doesn't like a culture of dumb and all that kinds. They would love Al Davis. Anybody that...

He'd vote against every measure they had just because fuck you because they were such assholes to him because he wasn't one of their moneyed elite people. He was a guy who kind of earned his way into the ownership. And gave a shit about the players who encouraged the union and shit like that. Yeah. If you love unions, you love Al Davis. And that's unfortunate to say Because he owned the team that I hate He's my absolutely

He's my favorite owner of all time though In any sport Because there's been nobody who actually Seems to give a shit about the What he's doing in his whole thing More than make this league You know, I don't know I just fuck the NFL

I hate the way they do everything With their bullshit Protect the shield Fuck you You know what I mean All that is is protect my value My NIST. Yeah

Don't let my team value go down. Protect my mortgage. Fuck you. And guess what I don't care about? The value of the Cincinnati Bengals. I couldn't fucking care less. I couldn't care if all those teams are worth nothing. Wouldn't do it. Change my life one fucking bit.

So 1979 NFL draft. And everybody that likes, oh, you got to stay all buttoned up. Will you work for these people? They fucking pay you? No. They don't. Is it because you don't want to lose your investment in the 73 jerseys in your closet? Yeah.

That's what it's pathetic. Yeah, it's pathetic. Because you paid $150 for each shirt that you have in your closet. Don't buy into that shit. It's fine to watch, like football and like the game and watch it be played. Sure. To be like, listen, these guys have to do this is an honorable. They work so hard, James.

Yeah, it's a bunch of scumbags who could barely pass high school trying to murder each other on the grass. If you like watching that, great, because I like watching that. It's fun, yeah. But don't act like it's some fucking honorable, you know, like they're like they're like nights about to joust or something. This is ridiculous. Shut up. These are men that are giving each other brain damage every day.

Constantly and then celebrating over a fallen corpse, which is, again, entertaining. Great. But don't celebrate unless it's everybody together or else it's 15 yards. I thought it was only if it's you. I thought you couldn't have anybody helping you now. You have to have that. I'm get the fuck out of here with this shit. I'm so tired of this shit.

I swear to God, I would love, I want a team to do a complete rockette musical fucking kick line in the back of the end up. Oh, they're going to. I know. Why not? If it's everybody, let's get a river dance. Hey, placeholder. Let's go. Fucking backup punter. Get your ass out here. We're all doing this shit. I think it has to do with everybody that's on the field or there's a certain number that have to participate because if one guy does it, it's taunting or some shit like that. It used to be, remember he'd tell, get away from me, get away from me. I'm going to dance.

Yeah. Don't be involved in this. Someone else was, if it was any kind of fit. Dude, I could not hate a league, well, UFC. I couldn't hate a league more than those. I fucking cannot stand the way the NFL is. It's so awful. Tell you what, as long as that end zone's cleared out by the time that kickoff is ready to go, who cares? Yeah. What the fuck do you care if they stand in the goddamn end zone and dance around?

Who gives a shit? It seems like, and I could be wrong, but it seems like as soon as a certain group is pissed off at things that they're doing collectively, they change it to do the opposite. The opposite. So that they conform with that group. Whatever group it is. And they say taunting. Like, okay, you can take that guy's fucking head off, but don't make him feel bad.

You were running in front of him waving at him and shit. That hurt his feelings. What the fuck are we talking about? Don't make him feel sad that you're faster. Just say what it is. Listen, when old white people watch games, they don't care for that. And we'd like to keep them as fans. I would think you're scumbags, but I have more respect for you, at least if you came out and said what it is,

rather than act like it's some integrity of the game. There's no integrity in this fucking game. James, it's a certain group of people that their feelings are hurt while they sit on the couch watching a black man with a very diamond-encrusted cross. Runs a 4-340. Yeah, waving goodbye to a white cornerback. Or even a black cornerback. They don't like it, James, it hurts. Dude, it drives me nuts.

I don't get it. I don't get the NFL. I hate their whole setup. I really do. And it sucks because I love football. And I just hate what they've done in this fucking sport. It hurts a group of 60. thousand dollar a year salary people to see a man make a lot more money than them and celebrate it

and rub it in their face yeah it's it's weird it's almost like they're not they shouldn't be sports fans right right it's almost like they shouldn't be watching black people succeed if they're this hurt by it yeah they're i mean there's plenty of hockey go watch that i don't know what to tell you i'd say go watch soccer but it's just going to be a lighter shade of black people then you're just going to be yelling Mexican racial slurs at the TV instead, so it's different. Go watch hockey, be bored, silly, and enjoy. I don't know what to tell you. Enjoy your fucking pickleball.

I don't know. Find something. There you go. Go watch volleyball. That's perfect. So this is 1979, May 3rd and 4th at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City. God, it's so beautiful. It's the NFL draft, everybody.

And this is way before the draft was what it is now. Yeah. Like, if you watch, like, there's a ton of drafts on YouTube. Watch a draft from, like, 81 when ESPN was broadcasting it. It's literally, there's like a little section in the back where they have fans. There's maybe a couple hundred fans. Maybe a couple hundred. But it's basically just a big conference.

It's just a big meeting. They all sit around. It's real casual. They hand the ticket off. Pete Roselle goes up, man, they pick this guy here. And then, you know, Chris Berman and Mel Kiper, because he was around then. And the other guy, Axelrod or whatever the fuck his name was, they all, I think it's a great choice. I don't know.

They don't show like tons of highlight packages. They don't tell this guy's life story about how his brother, little brother died in the fire when he was four. They don't do any of that shit. It's just, I think he could help the Raiders on the defensive line. It's amazing. And then once you get to like 92, 93, it starts to become a bigger deal. Then by like the Peyton Manning Ryan Leaf draft, it's like they start out with packages of videos. It's like WrestleMania.

It's fucking ridiculous. It becomes way over the thought. I always mention it because it's the first draft that I fucking recall. And it's just because Raghab Ishmael is so much fun to say. But it feels like that's about the time whenever he was drafted that the draft started to matter to me. Yeah, well, that's when you were probably 14 years old. So yeah, that's when you kind of. And there was so much hype around that guy.

Yeah. And the rocket was such a cool name. And it rhymes so easily with his name. He was going to sign in Canada for all that money. Remember that? That was a big deal. Is he even going to fucking play in the U.S.? This guy?

There's anyone going to draft him, and the cowboys wanted him, and they were trying to make a deal. Jets wanted him. And then he ended up getting hurt, right? And then just career-fucking. He came. He came to the NFL.

Did he don't do okay? Yeah, yeah. But his brother did better, right? His brother did a little better, I think, because he was there a long time. Yeah, Rocket was not, didn't turn out to do that great. It went quick. I was so excited about him.

It's from Notre Dame. Is that right? Yeah, absolutely. You're supposed to be fucking amazing. Yeah, no, Michigan's Charles Woodson. What am I thinking? Yeah. And Desmond Howard.

Desmond Howard was the one I was thinking of. Who's another kick returner wide receiver, you know, that kind of guy. He's Michigan, Heisman Trophy winning. But before that, they really didn't hype the draft picks near as much to watch the draft. Do you know what I mean? No, no. The draft was not a thing. It really wasn't.

It was just like, hey, if you're like a real hardcore football person, we got the draft on. It'll be on Saturday morning. Don't worry about it. You know, whatever. But now it's, you know, NFL has figured out how to make, even in the offseason, they have, they keep the hype machine going. They didn't back then. But even still, there's only, it's only a few years between, but eventually you'll get like a big hype guy, whether it be Mansell or Janadian Clowny or. Yeah, every year's got one or two.

Yeah, I don't, yeah, I guess this year was a couple of quarterbacks, but. Yeah, they need that, they need that fucking, the hype machine. I love when they hype the draft, the draft. the draft class and then it pans out. Like the fucking Lways year turned out to be a great fucking year. 83 turned out to be terrific. Great year. Like 90 turned out to be pretty good but not for the guys in the top.

It was like Jeff George was drafted first and he sucked. But then you had like Richmond Webb and Edmund Smith and, you know, a bunch of really junior sayout. Mark Carrier, a bunch of really solid ball for all pro players for a long time. Came out of that draft. This draft, though, 1979. Number one overall draft pick, Jimmy. Marcus Allen. No.

Was he an 88 or something? It's Buffalo, I'll tell you that much. Oh, Jesus. Oh, fuck. Was it a receiver? It's a linebacker from Buffalo that only played for like five seasons. Who was it? Tom Cousinow.

I certainly would have gotten that. Three more guesses. Kansas City next up picks Mike Bell defensive end. Cincinnati. I don't recognize any of these motherfuckers. Cincinnati keeps up with their theme of drafting. amazing quarterbacks by drafting Jack Thompson.

God damn. You ever heard of Jack Thompson? How'd he do? He played 51 games in the league. That's not bad. That's four years, yeah. That's not great. For a third overall draft pick?

Yeah, that's not great. And the third overall draft pick is supposed to be a cornerstone of your team. Yeah, that should be a franchise tag in two years. I see 33 career touchdowns, 45 career picks. In four years, that's horrible. That's terrible.

Not good. He went to Washington State. Number four, overall, is a Hall of Famer, actually. Oh, yeah? Yes, played on the Bears, 85. Is it Dent? It is Dan Hampton. Oh, I don't know that one.

Dan Hampton. Jerry Butler, number six, Barry Krauss. Number seven overall is still an announcer. Oh, yeah? And is a two-time Super Bowl champion. Oh, is it Montana? Phil Sims. Oh, is he still announcing?

Phil Sims is still out there somewhere. He's got to be. And then number eight overall is the, the one of Phil Sims Super Bowl rings MVP of the Super Bowl for that year. Oh. But he's drafted by the Cardinals here. Any idea? Receiver?

No, I'm running back. Otis Anderson. Waters. Oh, Anderson. He was O.J. for a long time and then he changed it back to Otis. You just call me Otis. Don't worry about it. He heard some rumors, did he?

Yep. Number 11 is a crime and sports alumni. Russell Erksleben, remember him, the kicker. Yeah. A paper criminal. Yes. Exactly. 13 overall is another Hall of Famer.

Sure. Kellan Winslow. Oh, he's great. And he's got a juniors. Chargers tight end. He was awesome. Wait. His junior's a bad guy, right?

Yes. His junior's the idiot kid. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah, no. But he's, Kellyn was amazing. He's good. Yeah.

He's great. Eddie Leone. His junior's a fucking rapist. Jesus. Yes, that's what he did. That was his thing. Right? Let's make sure that's him.

A bad guy. Yes. That was him, right? Mm-hmm. We're not confusing him with somebody else? No, that was him. We've done the episode. Okay, never mind. How about I make sure

that's before we get... Before we just libel people. He's a rapist. Jesus, God, damn. That's what I said, hold on. If we said, like, he's a bad guy, he did a couple of things. Okay, I'll let that go. But if we make a specific, he's a rapist, he's got to be

a rapist. I believe he is. Kellynneville Jr. is a goddamn rapist. And I'll say it. Loud and proud with my old fucking chess. Four people, right? There's a lot, yeah. One of them was an old lady. Fuck him.

I remember him breaking into people's houses. He's a terrible scumbag fucking loser. As we go through, I'm trying to think anybody else you might know here, one of the Tuiasa Sopoos, the NFL always has Tuyasa Sopo. They love them. They love him. Wow. And isn't his cousin?

I assume it's all one family. Yes, but I think his cousin is Mente Tiao's catfish. Really? Yeah. Wow, that is deep. Yeah. That's deep. Very deep. The one that, the one that pretended to be the girl was a Tuiasasopo.

Okay. Oh, I didn't know that. I forgot about that if I knew it. Second round, Mark Gastineau. There's another crime in sports alum. Picked up there. Yeah, he's a douchebag. He's just a complete fucking douche.

Third round here. Okay, there is one Hall of Famer in the third round. Oh. You know who that is? 79? 79. I couldn't. You've set his name already.

Does he play for Sinty? You've set his name already today. Oh, have I? Yeah. Shit. I've said so many names. Joe Montana. Who was it?

Oh, really? Last pick of the third round. Third round? Yeah, great pick by the Walsh there. Yep, they picked him up at a Notre Dame. Literally everybody could have had him. Anybody. Yeah, anybody could have had him.

He was kind of a, but he was not very, uh, durable, I think, was the problem and doesn't have a huge arm. So they were like, eh, they didn't realize he'd be the most accurate passer and do everything. Forever. His timing is perfect. He was a very, he broke a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he broke, he was broken.

Like you dropped a grandfather clock and the cuckoo bird fell out. Like he was, Jim Burt in the 86 playoffs, broke him. When he hit him and he flew and landed, like, with his feet over his head in a pile. It looked like, he didn't even look like a human. It looked like you just threw a doll out of a car. And then Leonard Marshall almost killed him in 1990. But he throws dives. He can fucking throw.

He throws, his timing is perfect. Straight darts. It's perfect. And then also having Jerry Rice didn't hurt. But he had two Super Bowls before Rice even got there. He also had great, he had a great tie-end. Good line, great coaching. Good running back.

He had fucking Roger Craig back there. Yeah. Running a lot in the defense. Yep. So May. Oh, wait. I forgot to do fucking ninth round. Ninth round.

Ninth round. Ninth round. Pick number 228 is Bob Robert, Bob Rozier for the St. Louis Cardinals. How about that? Who were known as, and still are

known as the cheapest organization in all of football. They're the least valuable team in the NFL. Yeah. Nobody wanted to play for them. Yeah. They were a fucking joke because they never wanted to pay. Same ownership, still the bidwills. Yeah, bidwell's on the broad.

They can move. They're still cheapest. Fuck those people. Number 10th round, right after him. A little bit is Dwight Clark who caught that catch in Joe Montana, and Dwight of the end zone there. The catch, that one. They were picked in the same draft.

Yeah. Wow. Came up together. May 5th, 1979, big article in the Berkeley Gazette, Rosier drafted by cards. He joined fellow defensive end Ralph Deloche as the only California football players chosen in the National Football League draft. Oh. Interesting here.

So, yeah, he was selected there. Where's the other guy? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Okay. So right under that. Yeah. Wow.

There is a political ad. Oh, you're very excited about it. He said, wow. Well, it really sounds like it belongs in the Oriental Bondage section or something here. Great. It says paid political advertisement. Shirley Black is backing Hyman Wong. Is he?

Okay. I'm voting for Hyman Wong myself there. So there you go. Right under this, June 17, 1979, they say Ramson and Rozier are ready to roll. They say, this is from the article, they say opposites attract. In the case of longtime buddies, Isan Ramson, a serious veteran and Bob Rozier, a happy go lucky rookie. No one's ever described him as happy or go lucky.

Never. Never, never, never. They always describe him as grumpy and, you know, sullen. I think that was a joke that they... No. He wrote that and he was like, ha ha. I think this reporter met him for three minutes and he had a smile on his face. He's like, happy go lucky rookie, write that down.

He was drafted. Of course he's smiling. Yeah, they said there's a chance their mutual admiration society will get the supreme test head on. The time may come when the Sacramentoans will be matched one-on-one when coach Bud Wilkinson begins drilling his St. Louis Cardinals next month. Ramzan has dropped 25 pounds to 2.35 to regain his tight end quickness. Rozier weighs the same and might have to do some bulking up to make the squad as a defensive end. If you're a 10th round draft pick, there's no guarantee you're making shit. There's nearly a quarter of a ton lined up on opposite sides of the line of scrimmage.

If it does happen, it won't be the first time. After Ramson starred at Christian Brothers and Rozier at Cordova, the former played at Washington State while the latter did his thing in California. So they say, buddies to the core, they are until the ball is hiked. You bet. They say, sitting in the Sacramento State University wait room after a session at Leland Glass's football camp, the talented duo talked about what has been behind and what is ahead of them, asked what the most difficult adjustment for him. asked what the most difficult adjustment for him to make last season when he was called to replace an injured J.V. Kane,

Ramson said, that was learning to sing in front of the vets when I was in Green Bay. They don't allow all alma maters the top 40 only. Now, explanation of what that it means. Not that it matters to the story, but you might, back in the day in football camps, I don't know if they still do it now, but like I've read several books like Jerry Kramer was a,

I think he's a Hall of Fame guard for the Packers that played all through their dynasty years of the 60s and he wrote a diary of the 1966 season. It's fucking awesome by the way. To get a window into what it was like to be in the NFL in the 60s

when they were still regular guys like they were still regular like his all of his shit's all worried about bills and like regular guys and I talked to this guy who's a fan and turns out he has this business and we did like they were regular people. They weren't like you get away from me peasants you know.

So what they would do is they make the rookies have a talent show, which I know they still do with a lot of teams, but their talent show with Green Bay was you have to sing. It doesn't matter what your real talent is. You're singing. No, you're singing a whole song in front of the whole team. It's team building. You're going to get up on top of the fucking cafeteria table and you're going to sing for everybody. And when you're called upon to sing, you have to sing.

So back in the day, they used to do their alma mater's fight song. That's what they had to sing. So they had to know their alma mater's fight song and learn it. But by the 70s here, they have taken that off the table where you're not allowed to sing your fight song. You have to sing a fucking pop song. Yeah. You have to go out there. Even love after love.

Yeah, you have to go out there and sing night moves. Like, that's what you have to do. Let's go. Which is crazy. They said, after practice and before dinner, I spent more time learning songs than I did reading my playbook. I couldn't grasp that. How will Rosea react? to hazing, he said, quote,

singing is my favorite pastime. I'll let the vets judge my talent. I'll just belt them out. Okay. If you're not shy, who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? This is to bring shy guys out of their shell. The guys that aren't shy, they go up there and fucking do a whole show.

Just do it. Yeah, do it up. Get some wide receiver. They don't give a shit. Ramzan said Cardinal rookies don't have to pay their dues like we did in Green Bay. He said the vets made us get up from the table and go get their food during dinner, carry their shoulder pads off the field. and get them sodas.

They'd put us at the end of the lines during drills so they could look good for the coaches. The guys who did things like that most were Willie Buchanan, Johnny Gray, and Steve Luke. Rosier said, I feel there are certain things expected of me just like when I was at Cal. The vets had to go through it to be broken in

and made to feel like they fit in. No problem. I'm not going to be misused. I'll respect them as long as they show me on the field they deserve. of respect. Okay. The Ramson guy, they asked him, will you haze the rookies?

And he said, heck yes. In minicamp, I yelled across the dining room to Bob and told him to bring me a soda and some food. He yelled back, here, catch. Uh-oh. He could do that because he knew I was kidding. Oh. He said they don't really do that here.

After being cut by Packer Coach Bart Starr, who yes, Bart Starr, was coach of the Packers in the 70s for a while, and finding a home in St. Louis. Ramson said what impressed him most was the caliber of athletes. He explained when he was a collegian, you could relax some weeks because you knew the player opposite you wasn't too good. There's nobody like that in the NFL. Rozier said, I got to show off plenty of times in college, but at mini camp, everybody was tough.

You couldn't try sneaky tricks or shortcuts. What impressed me was everyone using his talent to the fullest. He said, the coach told me, if it works, use it. But in college, you get paranoid how coaches demand that you use certain techniques rather than let you show your stuff. Oh. Yeah. That's like, you know, a player plays at like Indiana back in the day basketball. And you don't know what they can do because they've only done what Bobby Knight has told them to do, which is one of a specific play here and there.

You don't know if they have any other skills besides that. Whereas he's saying, you know, that's kind of a thing here. Showcase. Yeah. He said in the pros, I'll be able to be more creative. I can use more moves, be more like a basketball player who is quick and light on his feet. In college, all the coaches tell you is button arm over and button arm under, just to get around for a defensive lineman. He said to control the running game, not every NFL quarterback will run like more at Warren Moon or Jack Thompson.

Most of them will stand in the pocket. I think I can be better as a pro than I was in college. Very good. Rosier said here they talk about this Wilkinson guy and they say about Wilkinson who made a return to coaching ranks after an extended absence. Ramson said, I have the utmost respect for the man. He's personable, honest, and an excellent coach. After eight straight losses, most coaches would have gone nuts. But Bud never lost face, hollered, or cussed at us.

He analyzed our problems and we finally won some ball games. Roseir said of the coach Wilkinson, quote, The man isn't deceptive about anything. He treats everyone like a man, which we are. Watching him gives me the chance to go into the NFL with a significant air of confidence. Changes in the team will come. So, yeah, the Cardinals were, there was a couple years in the 70s where they were like a good, sort of, not bad. Cardinals?

It looked like they were getting better in St. Louis. Then they dropped back down. That's kind of how the Cardinals always were, because they were such a a cheap team. Yeah, and Larry Wilson was a part of that, right? He was probably the reason that they were any good at all. I'm trying to think when he retired, though. I think he retired in the mid-70s, didn't he?

It's like 75, 76. I bet it was earlier than that because it was drafted in 60? Something, yeah. By the way, he played in the 60s. He was a big deal in the 60s. I know that. And in 66, he had that big one-handed interception that went for a touchdown. That's why I thought of 66.

and I was like about 10 years So I was kind of going around there And played with two broken hands that season So he probably didn't last much longer I think not So yeah this is By the way I love those old Cardinal uniforms From the 70s and 80s

Before they made them like they are Before they bastardized it Yeah they were fucking They had cool very clean That dark that red with the fucking white And the helmet popped it all It's really nice They were only called that

Because they were the football team What to say again? They were the Chicago Cardinals first. Right, but they were the football team of whatever neighborhood they were, and they were just wore red, and they called the color Cardinal Red. That's the only reason they're the fucking Cardinals. It's the dumbest fucking thing on the planet. It's very dumbest. It was the last time you saw a Cardinal in Arizona. And then it's odd that they were the Cardinals, and then they went to St. Louis, where they already had the Cardinals. So it was very strange.

What is going on here? Wow. So they said in the world of play for pay, Ramson is trying to renegotiate his contract. He said, if it pops, I want to build a home in San Diego for my wife and two sons. What I've earned so far, I'm saving for a rainy day. Smart move. Rosier said he's paying off his college bills, quote, money I borrowed to buy new clothes and rent an apartment. Now I'm going to help my folks, buy me some music and shelter, have some freedom of expression and try to be a better person. So I think the other guy's financial plan sounds more sound. Yeah, it sounds like This is more for the future. I'm going to buy me some music.

Music and shelter. And then have freedom of expression and try to be a better person. Uh-oh. So he signed with the Cardinals anyway. So they sign him to a series of three one-year contracts, apparently. They said he may be switched to a linebacker if he doesn't gain some weight. So the 79 Cardinals, here we go. They are five and eleven.

Ooh, we. And they will be that way for 40 fucking years. time. This is Bud Wilkinson gets shit can and coach Larry Wilson comes in. He certainly was done playing by now. He was the interim coach. Yeah. Yeah. Interim coach, yeah. He goes two and one with them actually.

He wasn't great. No. By the way, on this team, the quarterback, oh yeah, Jim Hart was their big guy. Jim Hart was a good quarterback. There's a few 70s quarterbacks that don't get any credit because the 70s, okay, one of the most annoying things that I see all the time is people

being like, well, I mean, Joe Namath wasn't very good or Ken's look at their stats. Look at the guy's stats now. You were allowed to pass interfere until like 77, literally allowed to pass interfere. Yeah. It was like Blitz the NFL game. Yeah. That like goofy one that was like cartooning. Yeah. Or you could like blast a guy into a brick wall before. That was the real league. That was it for a minute. So a quarterback to have a 50% completion percentage was good because A, they could murder you in the backfield and then B, they could close line your receiver before the ball got there. So, you know.

And if he did catch the ball to actually like, oh, make a football move and possess it before somebody hit him, it's a crazy, you didn't have that kind of time. No, you were allowed to just hit people as hard as you could. So there's a lot of good NFL quarterbacks from the 70s who get zero credit because their stats aren't, whatever. Or, you know, they'll let like Terry Bradshaw go because he won a bunch of Super Bowls or Fran Tarkanding as he was in him or Ken Cesar.

stabler because he's the snake and all like but like guys like Jim Hart was a good quarterback with the Cardinals got Bert Young with the cults was a very good quarterback that gets you don't even know who he is do you right no exactly so that's what I mean Jim Hart same thing they also had Pizarkowitz on this team as well well what's that Steve Pizarkowitz quarterback just a funny name that always stuck out to me here so yeah this team Otis Anderson's on this team and Christ he's an all-pro Almost an MVP, too. Not bad.

Five and 11. He's the only guys that did a fucking thing for him. Yeah, he's fucking great. Only a couple pro bowlers on the team here. Oh, Mel Gray was on that team too. He was really good. So, September 19th,

1979, St. Louis Post Dispatch. Big Red Wave Bob Rozier. So now he's waived. Oh. The Cardinals, yep. They place defensive. Goodbye. Bob Rozier on waivers here.

So Rosier, they say, His departure leaves the Cardinals with only six defensive linemen. So he's really not very good here. And also, and six survivors from their 1979 draft, Otis Anderson. So Otis was a fucking rookie playing like that. Wow. All pro, pro bowl, fourth and offensive player of the year voting and rookie of the year. Otis was a beast.

Doing that and just wasting a career in Arizona. I feel bad for like Devil Booker. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but with the card. It's on that hard turf, too. Fuck. That's brutal. That awful turf they had at Bush Stadium back in the day there and all that shit.

Yeah, that's tough wasting it. Just leaving it for Bidwell? Jesus. Gross. It really is. So anyway, that's what's going on there. October 9th, 1979. Cardinals re-signed Bob Rozier.

Oh, we're going to take him back. We're going to take him back. We didn't mean it. He re-signed him, so they must have had an injury or something like that. Speaking of injuries, November 1st here, so this is less than a month. month later. Here, the St. Louis Cardinals acquire a Jets linebacker

and put rookie defensive end Bob Rozier on the injured reserve list with a groin injury. Oh, my groin. Sorry, it just makes me think of the Simpsons. When I was a kid, every time on Madden, when somebody would be out for a groin pull, I'd be like, why is he

pulling that? What are you pulling on your groin for? What are you falling on it for? November 22nd, 1979, the Cardinals cut Rob Rozier now. Now he's gone. Now he is cut.

Yes. No other team, they placed him on waivers. He's on their injured reserve with a muscle pull. No team claimed him, so he is reserved. They're only, they're going. They also said they have three offensive linemen injured. That's not good. Okay.

So, 1979, looks like he played in six games. That's the only stats I have on him here. Uh-oh. So the Cardinals, later on, and this is from a few years later, said they would like to forget about Robert Rozier. Oh. This is a few years later.

Bud Wilkinson, the coach who got fired, said it was quite a while ago. The players signed by the personnel people are the people I had to work with. In other words, I didn't draft him. Don't fucking blame me.

Oh, somebody else picked him and I wish we hadn't. Yeah, just gave him to me. And he said, I waved Rozier, and he said, I don't exactly remember why.

He's a ninth round draft pick. Anything could have been the reason. Now, they say that his, basically his career here was derailed by allegations of drug use and petty crime. That's one of the things is it's kind of a known thing that he does drugs at this point. So back then that was considered kind of real taboo too. They were like, oh boy, they don't even know what these guys are doing. So that's all we know is that. We don't know exactly any specifics on that or what specific accusations there were,

but there was a general black cloud following this guy of rumors of him. We assume he's doing this. Being involved with some bad shit that he shouldn't be involved in the way they thought. Now, this is from later on, but it's about right now that Rozier basically still wanted to play football. He needed a job. So he wants to try to play in the CFL, Canadian Football League. Oh. And that will be for the Hamilton Tiger Cats and the Saskatchewan Rough Riders.

Yeah. Now, the problem is, and I'll give a quote from Sergeant Gary Proctor of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Yeah. Of why he didn't stick in Canada. Quote, all the while he was playing ball here, he was writing phony checks. Oh, no shit. Yeah, the whole time he's in Canada. He's in a foreign country running financial scams.

Writing a phony check. He said he was running a scam. This is Harley Deeks, president of Molson's Brewery in Alberta. Oh. This guy went deer hunting with Rozier one time. How do you go deer hunting with the president of Moulson? That's like the king of Canada. You're a famous athlete who just came from America to sign with the football team.

We're going to welcome you with open Moulson arms. Hope and Mulsons. He said, quote, he used my name to get a bank loan. He was running up huge bills and charging the whole mess to the football team. That was the only owns the football team. And he'd say, yeah, don't worry about me. My buddy's the Mulsin guy. He's the CEO of that Moulson shit.

Oh, so he signed with the Hamilton Tiger Cats for the 80s. And he appeared in 10 games. He did get, have one interception for 10 yards and recovered one opponent fumble. as well. Not bad. I tell you some of the roster of the tiger cats, but I don't think

you'll recognize any of these people. They were first placed in the East with an 8, 7, and 1 record. Oh, boy. I'm looking. I don't recognize

any of these guys. Just over 500. I like Rocky DiPietro. That's a good name. Other than that, though. I don't know. They got a bunch of people from Canada.

There's a guy from Yale on the team. This is weird as fuck. It's colleges I've never heard of. Okay, it doesn't matter. So he plays defensive end there that year, plays in 10 games. So between six for the Cardinals and then 10 for this, he's played 16 games so far in two years.

Now, the Tiger Cats release him for what they called habitual dishonesty, accumulating debts from bounced checks and unexcused absences from practice. Habitual dishonesty. Habitual. He's just an asshole and a liar. So following his release, he joined the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. later in the 80 season where he plays in two games, and also engages in further financial fuckery, including writing some bad checks

and participating in a commodities futures fraud scheme. How the fuck do you get involved in a commodities futures fraud scheme? Isn't that what was going on in trading places? Yeah, I don't even know. I think commodities are like... Commodities, like orange juice and frozen art. Yeah, that's like the one that was in the Philly thing. It was trading places.

was the commodities market. How is he doing that? I don't know. I've had no fucking idea. No idea. Well, they suck the Scotch, Saskatchewan Rough Riders. They're two and 14.

Jesus. That is fucking bad. And they have nobody I've ever heard of, I don't think. If they do, I can't find them. They got a bunch of fucking losers. They have several guys

where it's under college, it says none. You just walk on? You could just try out for a Canadian football team in 1980. I'd just like to run for you today. See if you'll hire me. Yeah, you just show up with like your biggest snow boots and like a yak pelt wrapped around you and say you came in from the, you know, from the Northwest Territory.

And I think they're fine with it. They're like, okay. I promise not to take out any credit cards in your name. And they're like, all right, that's fair. I mean, there's several. None, none, none, none. There's about at least a dozen guys on the team who did not go to college to play football. Wow.

Which is crazy. September 20th, 19th. 80. Yeah. It says ex-Tai Cat, meaning the tiger cats, wanted in U.S. This is from the Hamilton Spectator. A former Hamilton Tiger Cat is wanted in the U.S. for allegedly passing bad checks with a cue.

Yeah, of course, because it's Canada. C-H-E-Q-U, yes. Bob Rozier, a defensive tackle, dealt to Saskatchew on Wednesday, left Hamilton this week with a string of debts and a bad feeling among some of his tiger cat teammates. The Tiger Cat Football Club originally said it sent Rosier 25 to the Rough Riders because he missed Monday's practice and quote other circumstances. Tiger Cat coach John Payne would not elaborate, but the spectator has learned about these circumstances. They include a warrant for Roseer's arrest in Contra Costa, California, on charges of passing $3,100 in bad checks.

Wow. Which is like $15,000 now, basically. letters from banks and collection agencies arriving from St. Louis arriving at the stadium, searching for Rozier. Three men, won an ex-Canadian football league player, arrived at Ivor Wynn, that's the stadium, four weeks ago, looking for Rozier in an attempt to collect $3,000 plus an exceedingly high rate of interest. You know, loan sharks, that's called. And it grows every day. A couple of the fucking Vig is growing. A couple of fucking loan sharks showed up

who are ex-players to fucking rough up some money back from him. Linebacker Ben Zam Piazzi co-signed a $1,500 loan, Rosier needed, to complete payment to the three men and has since been struck for payment of the loan. So he went to a bank to get a loan to pay loan sharks back.

Wow. And then didn't pay. back the bank. At least they don't break your legs. If you don't have anything to take, what's the bank going to do? Yeah, what's... Yeah, what's the matter? So fuck them. I guess it's better than these two guys. They seem pissed. They were going to beat me up.

Defensive end, Waial, Wozaneski, and Rozier have been sharing an apartment since September 1st, and Wazanewski has been left with the rent and all of Rosier's phone bills. Dude, this is crazy. Yeah.

This is wild. The Tiger Cats allowed Rosier advances on his salary but are still owed $589.89. So he left the team and owes them money. How do you play? You got to settle up before you leave. His last paycheck. Well, they traded him. Petty cash deductions? That's it. Yeah. He's still in arrears here. Police departments in Oakland, Roseer's hometown in Hayward, California, verified the warrants for his arrest. Wow. They said we have a warrant issued out of Contra Costa County for one Robert E. Rozier for issuing checks on non-existent accounts. That is from Sergeant Neil Osmond of the police force. Rozier denied all allegations last night. All of it's false. I don't. I deny it. Twelve different

people are all making shit up about me. That's what is the Moulson guy. Right down to that ex-player who's now a lone shark. They're all making shit up about me. Bullshitters, there's a lot of them. They're lying on me. They're lying on my boys. So, anyway, he said, I had a few personal problems back home, but I definitely was not a discipline problem. There were definitely not any other circumstances. Ben is not being stuck for that loan.

I'm taking care of that right now. As a matter of fact, I made the first payment today at the bank here in Regina. Regina. You believe him? I don't. I don't. I don't believe him, no. He said there's no charges or anything else against me.

me in the United States. The fucking police department, they confirmed they had a warrant for his arrest. What are you talking about? And there were no three men waiting for money from me in Hamilton. These things are making me mad enough to grab a flight back to Hamilton. You bet. To do what? I'm going to get right back. He said, you know my paycheck is big enough to pay that loan off in one week. You can ask the rough riders. I'm taking care of all my responsibilities. Well, they did ask the rough rider, or the Tiger Cats and they said you're not. They said you've done a lot of dumb shit. Since his arrival in Hamilton, the Thai cats have received letters from San Francisco

Federal Bank and a collection agency in St. Louis inquiring about Rosier's whereabouts. Four weeks ago, a former Thai Cat player and two business associates, now it's three guys. We're looking for the $300. Now, the guy who co-signed the loan, he said Bob called me up one morning when I was sleeping and said he was in a tight spot and that he owed money to these people. He told me it was from a condominium deal and he owed something like $4,500. I asked him how much he needed on the loan and he said he was getting $1,500. I went down to the bank and the three guys were sitting out front in the car.

Uh-oh. Wow. He owed them. They drove his ass to the bank. He said, oh, we'll take you to the bank. And then when you come outside, you're going to hand it right to us. He'll be paying you. Yeah.

You're going to get about two steps on. sidewalk before you ain't going to have that money anymore. Wow. And he said, Rosier said he had three months to pay at something like $500 a month, so I co-sied the loan. Zambiasi said he co-signed the loan because he thought Rosier would stay with the team since he survived the addition of defensive end Wayne Smith and had been playing well at the tackle position. But Zambiasi said, the day he got released, I called the bank and asked if he had made any payments, and they said no. He said a day or two. He said a day or two. before a payment was due, a payment was due,

he went in and withdrew all of his money except for a few dollars. He not only didn't pay it, he cleaned out his bank account. Took everything to pay it. Yep. Zambiasi received a telephone call from the bank on Wednesday alerting him to the fact that he was responsible for the loan as co-signer.

Another thing, Bob goes, he's not responsible for that loan. Yes, he is. You don't even live in that fucking country. Yeah. We're how they're going to get you? He said, I contacted Rosier, Thursday in St. Catharines and asked him how much money he had. He said he had $700 and agreed to meet me at the bank. I had to leave before he ever got there, but when he did arrive, he had

$45 on him. That's how much money he had. Jesus Christ. Wozneski and Rozier, who attended the Rough Rider's practice yesterday, started sharing an apartment on September 1st, and he has been left with Rozier's long-distance phone calls and his share of the rent. He said, if he didn't move in with me, then I would have to pay the rent myself anyway. He said, so, you know, whatever, I would have been responsible. He wasn't there much anyway, but I have to admit, I'm a little concerned about the phone calls, though. Sure, sure. If you're very young and you don't understand, in the 70s, it was in the 70s, all the way through the early 2000s, it was exceedingly expensive to make long distance phone calls.

Holy fuck, it was crazy. expensive. Like there were commercials to get cheaper ones. 1-800 collect, 10, 10, 220. Oh, no. I mean like AT&T long distance. Yeah, versus MCI. The clearest.

Right. Yeah. Remember, you could hear a pin drop. Right. Yeah. They bragged about how even though it's thousands of miles away, it still sounds perfect. It's amazing. And calls were really, I'm talking really expensive.

Unbelievable. You'd make a five-minute call. That'd be $10. Yeah. No joke. $10 in 1977. So, like, making a $50 phone call. $7 a minute, I think, is what it was? That was later. Or $0.13? It got cheaper as you went on.

Yeah. I remember seeing, like, old ads. I love old newspapers. And I remember seeing old ads from, like, the 50s where they were like, and 60s where it was like, now you can call all your family and it showed rates to different places. And it was like, you know, only 58 cents an hour to New York. or it was like, oh my God, or a minute. It's like, holy shit.

Three minute calls could range from $2 to $4. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's insane how expensive they were. That's roughly $7 to $12 in today's money. A 10-minute phone call with AT&T was $4.17. That's what I mean. That's unbelievable. If you had a girlfriend, you talked to her for a little while, it costs more than going

out to dinner five times. It's fucking crazy. So nowadays, you just pick up. You don't even think about that. because the long distance is the same. But yeah, it was real expensive back then. So they said the Tiger Cats advanced or loaned Rozier over $2,100, and he left owing them $89 plus an additional $500 he received prior to being released.

They also added that the Tiger Cats gave him money to pay off a $1,200 owed to the Royal Cannot Hotel, where Rozier stayed from June until September 1st. June, July, August, three fucking months. Holy shit. Well, you know what? If Robert does have any cash, I think he should head down to 92 Barton Street East.

What do you got on there? And head over to Hanrahan's Tavern. By the way, wasn't that from Slapshot, Hanrahan? Yeah, that was a guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. Was that the goalie that his girlfriend is pussy?

I think that was the guy who they all hated, wasn't it? Was it on the team or was he the goalie? No, no, no. On the other team. Yeah, and his wife eats pussy. And didn't he taunt him? Yeah. I think so.

Was he that guy? Yeah, because he was the guy that they were all afraid that would kill them all. Who was that guy? The guy they were afraid would kill them all. That's the guy. Yeah. If he's drunk, he'll kill us. Yeah.

That's what it was. Okay. Yeah. So this is Hanrahan's Tavern. And appearing next week, starting September 22nd, the beautiful, vivacious sex pot, Roxy Heart. Oh.

H-E-A-R-T, like a regular heart. Who the fuck is Roxy Heart? Plus two other sensuous erotic dancers. Continuous shows from 12 to 7. Okay. So, there he is. June or January 23rd, 1981, cut by Saskatchewan.

Uh-oh. They put him on waivers here. This is great. This is very Canadian. by the way. The riders preferred not to state why they cut Rozier but obviously it was not for any on-field activities.

He was playing really well. That's what a dick he is. Even if he's playing really well in a league that needs players, they're like, he's too much, he's just, you know, he's stealing money from people. Wow. By the way, he's also, and this is also

very silly, he does all this, but he's also oddly religious. really now I don't know if this is an oddly religious thing or just a kind of a off shoot of a very strict kind of certain upbringing but yeah because thou shalt not steal right well yeah that's what it says but here at one time they were at a banquet a football banquet there's a lot of banquets these guys have to go to and he got upset at the table and said because no one said grace. A bunch of businessmen and football players.

So he said, would you mind if I say grace? I'm going to fuck what you say. Say it to yourself. I'm eating. Knock yourself out, asshole. I don't care. I'll be over here talking and eating like a normal person. You can, you know, go ahead.

So following this cutting from Saskatchewan, he then turned, he's in Regina, Saskatchewan, and started writing even greater volumes of bad checks. We're talking a lot of money back then. Now he's going to catch me if you can. Yeah, he wrote bad checks totaling between $20,000 and $30,000 back then. In the 80s. You could buy a fucking house in Saskatchewan in 1980 for 25 grand.

For sure, yeah. Easy. Like, that's crazy. Wow. To cover his personal expenses. He's just living in. it up. Personal expenses.

He's just writing checks for literally luxury items and he's just living it up. He's never going to pay this back anyway. What does he care? He also participated in the commodities futures fraud in the same city, exploiting schemes that contributed to his debts and legal troubles here, obviously here. These activities prompted the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to issue 32 warrants. 32. He's got 32 out.

32 warrants out for him in Canada. That's minus whatever's in California or St. Louis or anything else for fraud and bad checks against him by early of 1981. He's got 32 warrants out for his arrest. So what do you do at this point? You step up to the belly up to the bar and you go, well, I've got to turn myself in. Nope, he flees to the United States. He's fleeing.

Yeah. the warrants completely unresolved and really no way to resolve them. It's not an extra-ditable crime. It's not like he killed five guys. You can't bring them all the way back there for bad checks. So kind of fuck now. Now, he's been cut for being a dick from the Cardinals. He has been drummed out of two Canadian Football League cities and had to flee the country due to fucking warrants against him. Yeah. And then he's signed by an NFL team. Think about the chance you're taking.

Okay. It's not like he was great when he played for the Cardinals, and he's just kind of a dick, but we'll fix him. He was a mess then. He's a disaster here. Who's the one franchise, Jimmy? And we asked this on the first time we did this, but who is the one franchise that would say,

hmm, cut from everywhere, has 32 warrants. Maybe we take a complete scammer. A flyer on him? Who? I think we should, obviously. take a look at it. Who do you think it is? No, not back then. It's Oakland. Yeah, back then. This is

pre-Belichick. They still had some soul to them back then. There's only two teams that are currently doing that at nauseating pace. It is still, well, Vegas, if you want to call them that. Yeah, the Raiders. It's where they play. Yeah.

But it's the Raiders. Unabashedly, boy, do they love it. And in the 70s, in early 80s, they were a team of misfit toys. That was their whole and they won Super Bowl like that. That was their thing. They picked up guys nobody else wanted to,

wanted with a chip on their shoulder. We're criminals. And we aren't fucking hiding it. Nope. And we're going to put stick them on our hands or we're going to fucking put paper plastic paper machet on our fucking wrists. And make it look like we have broken,

but we're not broken. We're going to break you. And come to our house and play us. We're pirates. And we have it on our helmet. Yep, fucking filthy. So he gets signed to the 1981 Oakland Raiders here.

They go 7 and 9 that year. Not great. Tom Flores, the coach. I think they won, is it the 82 season going into 83? They won, I know they won that game. The Marcus Allen had a great game. Not a Super Bowl, right? Super Bowl, yeah. Really?

Yeah, the Raiders won that Super Bowl. I don't know. They beat the Eagles, I know. Was it in there? No, this is Tom Flores. Okay. No, that one that you were talking about was Madden there.

In 83? No, it's Tom Flores. This is 81, so Madden was gone. Yeah, he was already in the booth then at that point. Yeah. This team, I'm looking at Chris Barr, the kicker, that's the first guy I see here. Matt and Brother probably?

Yeah, yeah, Matt and Chris are brothers, absolutely. I'm trying to see, because this is pre-plunk it. This is after Stabler went to Houston. And then they brought in like Pastorini to be the Raiders. quarterback for a minute and then they ended up having Jim Plunkett who was a former number one draft pick who was just sitting on the fucking bench

so I'm trying to see who was... But he was a good quarterback, won't he? He turned out to win Super Bowls, but he was just kind of, he was thought of as a huge bust at the time. Oh, God. Oh, Mark Wilson started nine games. I remember Mark with a C. Mark with a C. Wilson. Eish. Yeah, and Jim

Plunkett is on the bench also. He started seven games. And I think it's the next season is when he gets, is when they possibly get Pastorini in there and then he doesn't last. He like breaks his leg or some shit in the fifth game. Then they bring Plunkett in and they go on to win the Super Bowl with Plunkett. That was either the year before this happens or the year after this happens.

I can't remember. Flores was not there long, but he was a good fucking coach, isn't he? A few years. Yeah, he then he was not, was he, where the fuck did Flores go after that? Because he was around forever. He had that hair. Rams or some shit? He was a good play.

Flores too back in the day. Also here we have August 9th, 1981 Sacramento Union newspaper, Rosier's late sack helps Raiders edge Falcons. How about that? Look at this. Yeah.

That's not bad. They said the unlikeliest hero of all turned out to be Cordova High Product Robert Rosier who sacked Falcon quarterback June Jones, who's a coach for years now, with a minute 30 left with Atlanta knocking on the door at Oakland's 41. So not bad here.

They said that Atlanta trying to get within field goal range had its own drive spoiled by Rozier. When Jones faded to pass, Rosier was all over him like a bad dream. Yeah. Okay. All over him like a bad dream. Sheep suit, wet, what the fuck is a bad dream? All over him like fucking Freddy.

I'd never heard of that before. Like a bad dream. So fucking weird. That's wild. Rozier says, I knew in that kind of situation, somebody had to do something. Yeah. I had just missed him on, me, the Jones, on two previous plays, and I knew I couldn't let that happen again. So I got by my man on the right side and banged him.

Banged it. That's a bad dream, all right? That's a bad, yeah, you're over him like a bad dream. There's this giant guy and he was just raping me. It was crazy. Just over and over again. He wouldn't stop. He wouldn't fucking stop.

So that was, what was that? August 9th, 1981 is when that happened. August 19th, 1981, he's cut. Uh-oh. That's not good. How? That was so fast.

That was really fast. Yeah, they released seven players, including Bob Rosier. So now what do you do? Well, you've gone through the NFL. Yeah. Two Canadian football teams. You can't even go to that whole country because you're wanted. 36 warrants?

And now the Raiders have said you're too much for them. Where do you go from here? Is there like a Sri Lankan football league you can play in or like some? I don't even know where you go. Is there a dusty Mexico league that you can go scrounge around? Like in baseball? Yeah. He doesn't know what to do.

So he ends up relocating to Miami, Florida. Uh-huh. Okay. this is where he encounters the nation of Yahweh. Oh. Where is this? Miami. Uh-huh.

The nation of Yahweh is like a, they're like a black supremacist religious sect, basically. That's kind of what they, the best way to describe them. And it's the way they're described in every publication everywhere. It was founded by Hugh Lawn Mitchell Jr. Who doesn't go by Hugh Lawn Mitchell Jr. Much like Rozier goes by the gorilla pimp. Right. This man goes by Yahweh Ben Yahweh.

The Rat King. The Rat King. This was after they moved to Miami in 79 to establish the base of this religion in Miami. So, Hulon Mitchell Jr., a little bit about him. He's born in 1935, so he's already in his mid-40s by now. He's one of 15 children. And he got the junior. Yeah.

Think about that. He was the favorite. Yeah. I guess he was, Hulon Mitchell Sr., his father was the minister of the Antioch Church of God, of God in Christ. It's a lot of words. Church of God in Christ. A little redundant now. We get it. In Enid, Oklahoma. Okay. And his mother is Pearl Mitchell, who is the pianist for the same congregation. Now, one of his mom's siblings, Leona. here. Or no, one of his, that's his sibling. Okay, Leona is Robert's sibling. Sang actually at the Metropolitan Opera. Oh. She's a soprano who actually must be amazing. Actual singer, yeah. She's sang soprano for the Metropolitan Opera's a big fucking deal. So after leaving Oklahoma, Mitchell, the father, joined the military and then went to law school.

None of this is lining up. Then he starts a cult. It's so fucking weird. This is Yahweh Ben-Jawa. He moved to Atlanta and joined the nation of Islam in the 60s, and that's how this came about, okay, and took the name Hulon X. Oh, so he got rid of Mitchell. He got rid of the Mitchell and used the X, like Malcolm X, and like that was of the time there. As Abe Simpson would say, which was the style at the time. After leaving the nation of Islam in the late 60s, he became, he's like, hmm, they don't let me. me be full of shit enough in here. I really need to do some dumb shit. So he became a faith healing

Christian preacher. Full of shit is what he became. He's a healer. Became a scam artist, I believe, is what that's called, right? When you run scams and then ask people for money for pulling them off. Specifically when it's medicine. When it's, yeah. When it's supplementing medicine for, you know, miracles. Miracles. Yeah. God damn it. How is that legal? I don't have a clue. You can't I'll heal you. Yeah. If $1 change his hands,

I'm putting you in cuffs. If it's a party trick, great. If you take, donations, one fucking dollar, I'll beat you to death with my nightstick.

I swear to God. Kill yourself after that one, asshole. If, if, if a medicine can't say, uh, treats,

uh, you know what I mean? Causes any benefit of any, of any abnormal problem. If it can't say that, Then why the fuck can this guy say I can heal the sick? Exactly. The fuck is that?

There are no rules. The same reason why churches don't pay taxes and every fucking buddy else on this motherfucking, fucking goddamn dirt called America has to fucking pay taxes unless you talk about, unless you lie to people. Unless you fucking open up a building, put a sign up and lie to them. Then you can take it as much money as you want and go ahead and keep it all. And say whatever you want. Fuck you.

You can't. Vitamin C. I'll go way better. Starbucks can't put a drink on the menu called a medicine ball because there's no medicine in it. Exactly. But this motherfucker can say he heals people. No rules with churches. That's the thing.

That's what this fucking country has done. They've made it so we kiss these fucking ignorant morons asses to the point where they can fucking run scams for decades. That's a scam. They get busted. There's no closing loopholes to just go, well, he was a bad guy. but now his assistant's taken over and he's great. It's the same scam every fucking time. I'll go to church with that cough and I'll cough the whole fucking time.

I'll go to Starbucks and order that medicine ball and within a day and a half I feel better. Yeah. Better than fucking Benny Hinn could have done for you back in the day. It's unbelievable. Okay, sorry about that. But this drives, nothing drives me crazier than this. Us pretending like this is real for people because they're babies. I can't heal.

It's not fair. It's not fair. It's not. It's not. It's not. healing, nothing. You're not doing anything. You're lying to people. So he calls himself Father Mitchell. That's his name he just comes up with. Fashting himself after Father Divine and Samuel Father Jehovah Morris, who were two black ministers and self-proclaimed divine connections to God. This is like, this is in the early 1900s. So it's kind of there's a thing to that. So Mitchell arrived here in,

Miami in 1978 where he gathered up some members of the city's black Hebrew Israelite congregations because they have a lot of crossing interests

as far as what they believe and you know all that kind of shit and founded the nation of Yahweh and by the way

this shit is having a resurgence right now all religion is going crazy yeah there's a lot of this right now the Yohi bin Yahweh stuff

the black Hebrew Israelite thing is getting Yes, very big online. Do you think, I mean... And so all the other bullshit, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you think it has anything to do with, like,

well, the last time it had a resurgence was because of a certain group having a resurgence as well? You got to fight that one back down with this one. You know what I mean? I think stupid is cyclical, I think. Stupid is cyclical. Yeah. Stupid knows a calendar. It's true.

I think they see that it's... People see bullshit, then it goes away, and then they forget about it. you know, and then they go back to it again. There's the same, I was just going to go into something political, but I'm not going to be that. It's a cyclical thing. But it's almost warring factions almost in terms of like numbers of this rise and then numbers of this rise. And vice versa. One could rise and the other one will rise.

But it's kind of like the tides, as soon as one starts to recede, the other one will too. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. But when people are dumb and when they're confused, too, they go, like 9-11. There's a lot of big spike in religion after 9-11. Right. Which made no sense to me because it's like if you actually believe that God sees over all this, why the fuck do you let that happen? Guess what?

James, you should leave the fucking church after that. You should say, what the fuck? A building had to come down to expose that the girders had a cross in there. Yes, that's what I mean. I just, I get that we, by the way, I know that we have some people that are religious that listen and all that kind of thing. And thank you for taking our shit and our abuse for all this time. It's the best ones.

You're very nice. Yeah. And guess what? You should be. That's what your goddamn thing says. Turn the other fucking cheek and be nice. Try to shepherd us toward a better fucking outcome. But don't.

But don't just get, but we're not interested at all. But do it quietly. Yeah. Type it all up and then instead of send, hit delete. Somehow that got transferred formed into, let's, let's blow up that abortion clinic. I don't understand. It's amazing, right?

It's weird as fuck. That's where I have a problem. I just have a problem with any hypocrisy. It drives me fucking crazy. And the hypocrisy, sure. The hypocrisy be damned. It's right there in your face. I can't get beyond that, okay, I was abused as a child.

And when there is abuse of children in your hierarchy, the whole fucking thing is corrupt as far as I'm concerned. You'll never get me. You'll never get me again. Well, there is not a segment of religion. religion in this country that that doesn't happen to. Right. Just like that, Google Texas pastor child molestation. You will get a thousand stories that you never heard of.

Just Google religious person, child abuse. And you will never reach the end of it. You'll reach the end of Pornhub before you reach the end of that. And that's unbelievable. And that's why you want to be religious as far as you believe in God, never think of that. You don't need the middleman. You don't need this. You don't need to give these people money so they can then collect it all tax-free and fucking spend it on insane things.

You don't need that. There's a way to take the book and apply it to your life and be a good person versus the opposite, which is giving money to a corrupt organization, which every... That's all I'm talking about. It's the organization. You want to believe in whenever you believe in. I don't agree with you, but knock yourself out. I don't fucking care what you believe in. Great.

If that gives you comfort, terrific. I don't care if you believe that octopuses will. take over the world. And that gives you comfort. Octopi. And that gives you comfort? Yeah. Terrific. Great. Believe it. I'll run with that one. The last time I checked, octopi are not technical fingering children.

And I'll go for that one. There is probably very few octopi on child. Tentical rapings? Sexual assaults, I would think. Like a year-to-year basis. I bet they're pretty low. Single digit, I'll bet it's zero. Yeah.

My God's better. We're, that's, let's start a new religion. We worship the octopi. That's it. Crime and sports. Until, the religion of octa. Until, until one dittling. One child.

One child. One child. You get one suction cup in there and it's stuck. I'm out. I'm out. We'll drop them quick. That's the thing. But until then, the power of octopi.

May the power of octopi be with you, Jimmy. And to you. And unto you. My brother and octopus, nice to see you. That's our new religion, everybody. Join up. Power of octopi bless you. It makes just as much sense as anything else anybody's doing.

Argue with me, I dare you. If you were an alien coming from another plan, you looked over and you go, yeah, I don't see the difference. Except there is an octopus. I see those. And if you're Christian, you should support us because there was at least two of these on the fucking boat. There you go. Thank you. That's what I'm talking about.

So Florida headquarters of the nation of Yahweh is set up in Liberty City, Florida. Oh. Grand Theft Auto fans. Look at that. Basically, it's classified by everybody as a branch of the black Hebrew-Israelite movement. So the whole doctrine emphasizes that the belief in God and all the prophets of the Bible were, basically the belief that God and all the prophets in the Bible were black and that blacks would gain the knowledge of their. true history through this man. Well, yeah, he's the speaker.

He knows. Yeah. So he's going to guide you through. No one else knows, but him. He's the mouthpiece, yeah. Obviously. He also characterized whites and Jews as infidels and oppressors, and he emphasized loyalty to himself as the son of God.

So this isn't about worship Jesus, and this is about I'm in charge of everything. This is black FLDS. Yes, this is that. This is Jonestown. This is all that shit. Give me all your money and let me fuck whoever I want and I'll make up all the rules. And don't worry about it. I got it.

And he also... I'll keep it right there. He also urged his followers to murder white devils and bring him back body parts. Oh, boy. Like a sliced off ear or a finger or even a head as proof of the killing of a white devil. By October 80, he had 150 people in his little flock here. willing to do all of that. 150 people.

And hey, you should think how shitty was it to be a white, a black person for the last fucking 40, 50 years that they, that this sounded reasonable to them where they were like, fine. At least I'm not. It's about time. At least I'm not black in Florida, all by myself now, I guess. So they bought a shitty warehouse in Liberty City where Mitchell told them that they live here until the Exodus to Jerusalem.

them. Until we go back to take that over again. I mean, this was what year? 1980. This is 45, 46 years ago. Still doesn't happen. They'd still have to be there. I'm looking at my watch right now.

They're still living in a warehouse. This is crazy. Now, most of the members basically, because they're supposed to renounce mainstream America. And most of the members had a hard time doing that, going full time. You can do it on the weekends or whatever. but, you know, to show up at your job on Tuesday and yell at your supervisor because she's a white lady and, you know, talking about some shit that happened 3,000 years ago, you're really probably not going to have a very easy life. But about 30 people sold their homes, cars, quit their schools and jobs, and moved into this shit hole. They Jones towned.

Sold everything, gave all their money to this dip shit and moved into a warehouse. It's a big warehouse spanning a city block, humongous. Yeah. Huge. I mean, the World Trade Center spanned a city block each building. Yeah. So that's essentially, depending how many floors it is, it's the, it's a floor of the world trade center. That's huge.

That's a big, that's a big fucking thing. And they all had to, you know, help out to fix it up and paint the walls and get the plumbing and electricity working again. They hung huge paintings of Bible people on the wall, which was a black Virgin Mary. a black Noah, a black Moses, and the black last supper. I do like those. That's fun. Yeah, I want a black glass supper. That sounds awesome.

That's cool. I wonder if that's on Yahoo or on Amazon. I'm going to find one when I want one now. I guarantee you there's one because they, like I said. My mom will come to my house and be lit. I can't wait to ruin her day. This movement is gaining popularity again. Really?

Someone will, yeah, not the Yahweh movement, but the black Israelite deal. So they did all of this. Someone painted a futuristic city populated by only black people with flying saucers and everything futuristic. The caption said, The Black Christ is risen among us today to deliver us from white people. And that would, of course, be Yahweh Ben Yahweh Mitchell there. They named the warehouse the Yahweh Temple of Love.

Okay. Now they subdivided it because it's a city block. Sure. So you can break that up a lot into basically spaces for a sanctuary, a big cafeteria, a grocery store, laundry area, a health center, even a little ice cream parlor. How about that? So they had it all broken up there. The print shop published his horseshit, including a booklet called Are You? Whoa. I'm not saying that. I always got caught out there. Are you not an N-word? Are you not a N-word? Our true history.

the world's best kept secret. And a King James Bible with depictions of Black Saints. Uh-huh. In the living quarters, each family was zoned a 10 by 15-foot cubicle that was separated from others by an eight-foot partition. So dorms, a dorm, basically. Some people, you know, put like shit up in their things. Some people just put a blanket on the bare floor to be minimalist, but there's no privacy at all. you had to be up at 5 a.m. for chores, prayers, and Bible lessons.

Yeah. I'm out right there. I don't care if you had to get up at 5 a.m. for bong hits blow jobs and fucking breakfast sandwiches. I'm still not doing it. It's too early. I'm not waking up at 5 a.m? 4 a.m.? Just to be up for 5.

Oh, boy. To do chores? I'll be up at 5 if you need anything from me, but then I'm going to sleep. I'm going to sleep. I'm not waking up. No, that's when I'm going to sleep. I'm not waking up then. Mitchell picked 10 strong men, and he called them the circle of 10.

That's to monitor the warehouse and environment. So they're the security force, essentially. They carried around wooden clubs. They called the staffs of life. I'm going to beat people's asses with these staffs of life right here. That'll work. Conversation with you and my staff of life. Oh, man.

he Mitchell when he did services they had like loud music and he was apparently a really energetic and energizing performer like yeah he knew how to get people fucking going and knew how to get him out he's seen it oh yeah and he's been in religion he knows how it works and he's seen he's seen faith healing and shit like that so but a southern a southern church is sometimes can be so encouraging and like a like a black southern church is so much fun to go to. They're singing and shit.

That's fun. Yeah, because it's like it's just encouragement of how to be a good person and then. Well, they're singing. Anytime you add singing and like good singing too, not that weird. You're not that homin and chanting. Actual like singing and clapping and people dancing.

It's awesome. Okay, now this isn't church anymore. No. Now we're doing a fun thing and you're somehow morphing it to this belief system, which makes no sense. Yeah, but that's the idea with it is to make make church fun and make living by the Bible fun. At least it's fun. And then they, then this shit comes along and ruins it.

The only time I've ever been to a church service was a black church. The only time I've ever been to church service, stayed at a guy's house and we had to go the next day and that was that. And it was fun as fuck. I didn't hear one word about Jesus or anything like that, but they sang all these fucking songs and it was fun, man. We had a great time. Afterwards, I was like, if he wasn't saying Christ every three words, that just sounded like a great party.

That was fun. Yeah, I think it's the lecture that makes it uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't hear that shit. It's like, don't lecture me when I read the newspaper. Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't lecture me when I saw a dude that you know that's not living by what you just said. Not at all.

Not at all. So they're all, the flock grows. Yeah. And as more people come, he starts getting a little more. more confident, a little more wind under his sales yet to start kind of demanding a little more because now he's not afraid of losing 30 people. If he loses, five people leave, great. Five more will come. No problem. We got plenty. So now he's not so scared. So he started asking them while doing sermons, how many of you would die for Yahweh? Oh, boy. Yeah. How many of you would

kill for Yahweh? Oh, boy. Okay. If you go to church and they ask you anything about dying or killing, leave the church. That's scary. And they would answer, they would answer yes to both things. Yes, yes, yes. Real weird. Now, these people are living in communal circumstances. This is kind of very Jonestown-esque, basically.

Everybody contributes. Yeah, and people started discussing how Yawai, Ben Yahweh Mitchell would be starting to have some weird activities that they didn't like. he'd slip into ladies' rooms in the middle of the night for Bible lessons. Ladies' bedrooms. Yeah, that's all I have, 10 by 15 spots. He would slip in at 3 in the morning to give a Bible lesson to an attractive young woman. He just spoke to me.

Your tits need a Bible lesson. Let me tell your tits about Jesus. What do you think? With the lights off, too, obviously. That shows how much you know the Bible. When he found out people were talking about him, he said, how dare you? How dare you?

I'm celibate. Oh. With a straight face told people that. I don't fuck. They said, Yahweh requires me to be celibate, so how dare you get mad at me for instructing these women

that needed help and instruction in the middle of the night in the dark and in their private quarters? Does he know that he's not the only one that knows that he fucked? You know what I mean? The people that he fucked would probably know, right? Are they not going to say a word?

Because, I mean, if you had that person in the room and you with a straight face told everybody else in the room, I'm celibate. At least one person in this room knows you're a giant fucking liar. Oh, yeah, several. Same thing with Jim Jones when he would say that shit. And people knew what he was into. There was people in the flock that helped him get his, what's it? His pandering charge drop when he was trying to hook up with gay dudes in the fucking bathroom of a movie theater. How does that not spread?

It's the same thing. It does spread, but then they all put it out of their mind because that's what this is. This whole thing is to take logic, crumple it up in a ball and throw it out. That's what religion is. Take logic, set it on fire, and believe this set of shit. That's what's real, not what your brain sees. It's been shown to you. I am celibate.

Don't ask her. What is that? I'm celibate. Even though you saw me go in. there in the dark at 3.30 in the morning. And she felt me go in there. Damn your lying eyes and vaginas. That's what he said.

Damn your lying eyes and vaginas. It's all bullshit. But what dripped out of me, Bin Yahweh? The Lord. That's the Lord's spirit. Boy, is he moist. The Lord sometimes

has a little extra moisture that he needs to release. It will make your vagina rain. Wow. He did sex. Ed classes and required women and young girls to attend midwife classes that he himself conducted. Yikes. You know, because he's the expert on vaginas, I'm sure. They were told to shun modern medicine and have their babies at home, like in Bible times,

which back then was considered so ridiculous because, you know, we finally got it to where everybody can go to a hospital, and now that's becoming popular again because people are dumb as fuck. Dumb as fuck. Oh, D.B's son just did it, James. Who? ODP's son just did it. Okay, yeah, dumb.

People are doing it all over the place. Idiots. You're going to lose a child, man. It's the dumbest shit in the world. There's a reason why we go to the goddamn hospital. They have all those fucking medical things going on there. And yes, most childbirths, the kid pops out, everything's fine. A lot of them, there's hemorrhaging.

There's complications. Yeah. What if you rip your fucking taint in half and start hemorrhaging out of your asshole? Then what happens? And, you know, fuck. Fuck you and fuck every complication that can happen to you. You've made this decision. What about the complication that could happen to this fucking child who probably would have told you if we could do it in the hospital?

Can we do it there, Mark? That'd be great. That'd be great. If we could go where all the doctors are and the medicine and the machines that can keep me alive and all that kind of shit. That's right. You said you're going to have to rush this child to the hospital in an ambulance now where they could die on the way. There's so many fucking opportunities for this child to get sick and hurt. So fucking many.

So yeah, he wants him to shun modern medicine. Couples were forbidden from using birth control. And basically, Yahweh here wanted the disciples to start having babies as soon as they reach puberty. Oh? Which is, you know, can be 12 for a girl, 11. So then she's open season when she's 12. Start having babies. Oh, boy.

This is crazy. He wanted because he wanted to grow the movement. That's why we can grow these people organically out of ourselves. He said, get it, brothers. Sisters, give it up. That's what he's saying. You get your dickheart and get in there. And sisters, you'd be ready to get fucked because that's what's going to happen.

Yeah. He said, yeah, he said, it's not about falling in love. It's about multiplying. Have babies and let's subdue and control the earth. Yeah. That's what he wanted. He recorded children who were born in the warehouse into a large black binder called the Lamb's Book of Life. Oh, boy.

It's the same book where basically where he said that he's going to record the names of the believers who will be saved from hell according to the Bible. Yeah. Now, in the midwife classes, this was supposed to be a private thing, but apparently the details leaked out later as it does. He had no formal medical training, by the way. None whatsoever. Not even cursory, didn't take a class, didn't take like a CPR class down at the community center one day or something, nothing, nothing. He read the women books on how to home deliver babies, then had them undress and inspect each other's genitalia. Nice.

What do you think that's about? I like seeing women with their faces in each other's crotches. This is just terrible. he showed one of them how to use douche volunteering demonstrating on a volunteer. What? Bring your pussy up here. I'm going to do shit in front of the whole crowd so you can see how it works. He had one woman lie naked on her back and another blow into her vagina telling them this is the greatest lie of all time.

If you've ever wanted to see women make out, this is the way you do it. Had her blow into the vagina and told them that that's a lot of. how you perform CPR on unborn babies. Ha! You flew? Oh, my God. How? Come on, man.

That's not how you get... That's not how you perform CPR on anybody or anything. Imagine being like, put your mouth on my dickhole because that's how you... I mean, that's what you... a lot of guys have tried to tell people. So it's called a blowjob. It'll breathe life right back into me. Wow.

Yo, what the fuck, man. That is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Honestly. It's obviously not funny because it's horrifying and abusive, but the fact that someone thought of that and went, they'll buy that, that's hilarious to me. Grazier, if somebody bought that. All of them did. He said it, so it must be true.

He also held secret sex classes for boys and men. He would he would show them movies of white women having sex with animals. What? You know, like weird Mexican fucking donkey porn and shit like that. And then that was to dissuade them for lusting after white women. Okay.

Like, look what they do. They all fuck horses. That's what happens. He also made them pull down their pants for a D.I. You know what that is? No. Dick inspection? Dick inspection, that's right.

Those who weren't circumcised. paid $100 to be circumcised. What? You know who circumcised them? He did. He did. Oh, my God. And took payment for it.

That should come with it, right? That should be all-inclusive. Adults. Circumcised adult men. Ouch. Yes. And accepted money for it. Like I said, that should be part of the sign-up, I think.

And, you know, we throw in housing. shelter, food, books, education, and of course, circumcision. Circumcision. That's all. In case you want a smoother penis. God, Jesus. He told them all that it would be quick and painless. Uh-huh.

And then he's cutting their foreskins off and they're passing out from the pain because it's so fucking horrible. So they started kind of the circumcisions are what got guys mumbling. Yeah. Think about all the things he's told them already. That's all fine. Yeah. Once he made my dick hurt, now we're in another issue. Hold on a minute now.

We're going to, let's think about everything that we've been doing here and really make sure we're. Do you get to, do you get the circumcision before you pay or do you pay before? He must take the money before. He's like a prostitute. He goes, money up front. I'm not going on opportunity to get a refund. No, fuck, no. Oh, holding your dick.

Oh, God, please. So they started talking about it then about what their wives and girlfriends about what he did to my dick and all this type of thing. And then they started kind of questioning, questioning his authority and things like that. Okay, we'll do this last little bit here. And then we will hold this off until next week because this is crazy already. Yeah, yeah. And we're nowhere near done with this. This is insane.

My dick is so sensitive. I've been holding it very close to my body for a while here during this recording. I have a vagina. Well, they're going to give it mouth to mouth. He crawled up inside you. They're going to have to give it mouth to mouth to circumcise it. He said, Bobby, when it's over. They have to blow inside it.

So, okay, over the course of this year, he just basically starts, it goes from, you know, going in women's room in three in the morning to select women that he's probably been, you know, talking to and schmoozing and all that, to just raping whoever. he wants to. Oh my God. He would take girls as young as 10 years old to rape and molest. This is what I mean. This is where it's...

That's what I mean. You give anybody power anywhere that can't be immediately checked. Yeah. They're going to end up... There's going to be crazy kid fucking going on. They're going to fuck your kids. Kids are going to fuck your wives. They're going to fuck everybody. They're going to fuck nobody. They're going to fuck you. you. Jim Jones fucked everybody.

They're going to fuck you to humble you. Like the Iron Sheik. Fuck your ass make you humble. So that's, that's all, it's 100% of the time, too. Every time. 100%. There's never been a cult that did not end or steer towards because there are some that exist today and they're not there yet. They'll get there.

They'll get there. They'll get there. It's never not, it's never not happened. He told the girls that as God's emissary, I have. certain responsibilities here. You know, God has placed a lot of trust and responsibility in my hands, and part of that job is to teach young women how to have sex, he'd tell them. Why do they need to learn how to have sex?

They'll figure out. I was just going to say, that is one thing. You put food in your mouth, you chew it and swallow it. Your body just kind of, you'll figure this out too. Especially if you're a girl. You really don't have much to figure out. I mean, you can learn how to fuck better, but you could be never have heard of sex and say, I'd like to have that.

Yeah. And be fine. And the guy would never complain. Even further, there are women that are in prison that don't have men around. They're still fucking. They're still fucking. Yeah. I mean, at the very.

They don't need men to figure it out. No, at minimum, hold still is the only instruction you need. Try not to run away. Don't close them. And this is children. Unbelievable. This is disgusting. This isn't adult women who chose to come here of their own volition.

These are children. They have no fucking say over anything. Horrible. In exchange for keeping a secret, he would give them tons of gifts. Yeah? Yeah, the young girls. Dresses and necklaces and trips to fancy restaurants and stuff like that. You know, grooming.

Yeah, grooming and whining and dining and molesting and being a disgusting monster. One of the girls he abused would later tell investigators that, wow, that Mitchell had sex with her and another very young girl at the same time. He's having like sixth grader threesomes, this fucking monster. So uncomfortable. More women would eventually come forward to tell about his sexual abuse. One married woman later testified that Mitchell forced her to have sex with him for four days after she delivered a baby. Or four days after she delivered a baby forced to have sex. Oh my God.

Ripping all over stitches out. You're supposed to wait six weeks. Six weeks. You're supposed to wait quite a while. It's six weeks. That's how long you're supposed to wait. And that's if everything's fine. And he's going, four days.

Four days. Of somebody else's. Of course, too. One of Mitchell's sisters who joined the cult and later ran away said he raped her and another sister back in Oklahoma before any of this even started and that he even molested one of his own biological daughters. That's the entire. Every woman he knows he's raped, besides his mother and his grandmother, maybe. The playbook has been exposed. That's it.

That's the game. The whole reason for the season now. Let everybody pay for me to live a luxurious lifestyle while I rate people. Fuck everybody. That's all it is. It's all it is. So, all right, we will leave it off at that. We'll leave it off at you people.

So beautiful. Wanting to choke somebody to death. Let's start there because I'm about grossed out here. This is episode one, everybody. There's going to be a few of these, and it's only going to get crowsed out. crazier. There's going to be murder involved and rape and it's absolutely disgusting. So anyway, thank you so much for checking this out. You sat through a good portion. Yeah. And by the way, the last, last time we did this episode, it was like an hour, 10 minutes

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And you get a shout out. Let's go. Right about this part of the show. Jimmy, hit me with the names of the people who would never ever try. to entomb us in a fucking giant warehouse while they rape our daughters. Jimmy, hit me with them right fucking now. This was executive producer, Elena Zemmel, my favorite Canadian. Frank LaCroix, sir, what a story.

Frank, yeah, that's a wild story, Frank. Thanks, brother. We'll get back to you. We've got to talk to you, Frank. You've got quite the tale, thank you. Yeah. Gary Howard is in High Point. I think that's North Carolina.

Dylan Carrico and Beth, Betty, or Beth, Beth, Bleach. Bue, Bieu. Thank you all so much. You're amazing. Other producers this week are Brendan Abel's. As a best. Brendan, I love that kid. Penny Boyce.

Happy Hour, checking in Splendora, Texas. Janice Hill, Nathan Rose. Monsangia, happy birthday. Happy birthday. These are like a lot of our old school favorites these weeks. It's a bunch of people that jumped on to PayPal this week. Thank you all so much. Other producers this week.

Olivia Colwell and then also another Olivia. I don't know if they're related. It's possible. Chloe Miller. Rain Elf. William Inskie. He's been around for a while. He may have just gotten right back into Patreon. Deanna with no last name. Ashley Carey, Matt Scherzzer, Anna Panero, Tony Bauer, Melissa Gerber, Lindsay Cook, Kiki would know the last name. Boogie in your butt. Or don't.

I wish you didn't. Marissa W. Please don't. Kristen Elric. Michael would know last name. Dustin Grace. Dangela Warren or DeAngela. I don't know. No, there wasn't an apostrophe. Tina Radon Checkett's, Jay Nutt, Michelle Davis, Carabucher, butcher, probably. Jeanette would know last name, Leanne French, Nicole Smith, Anna's daughter, I imagine. Kelsey Jones.

John Archer, Aaron Maxon, Julie Parrish, Ram would know last name. John Finnegan, Heather Page, Samara, Samara, Samara, Jenkins. Probably Samara, right? Freddie Smith, Brian Dees, or DS, I don't know, Jonathan Graves, Matty Hall, Larry Hall, Larry Baker Jr., Scott McDonald, Dustin Shannalt, Karen Shoemaker, Danny would know last name, Ashley, Marks, Alec Hadad, Denise Dage, or D-A-I-G-H, that's D-A-Ease usually. Sandy Pecock, Pocock, Ingrid Mayer, Meyer, Meyer maybe, Kyla would know last name, Terry would know last name, Lauren would know a last name, Sam Fenster, Lori Sullivan, Elizabeth Heitner, Eileen Schilling, Melissa Hernandez, K-K-K, Sarah would know last name. last name. No, no, no. With no last name. Please no, no. Haley,

Yee, Jackson Baxterson. Zach would no last name. Joey Matthew, Heather Pates, Michael Penland, Penland, Trevor Wood, Shane Philbin, Patrick Haggerty, Alan Cress, little pumpkinhead, whatever that means. Sarah Black, Jessica Roberson.

What is it? Tiny and orange. It's self-explanetor. Neil, I imagine? N-A-L-L. Is that Neil Gatton? N-I-A-L? N-I-L? Or N-A. Or N-L. That's Neal, right? I don't know.

Yeah. Or Neal. Foreign from America. Anne McGee, that's probably a British person, a person going, foreign, my ass, bullocks. Joanne Segar, Burkhart with no last name. Melcos A-Z. I don't know what that means. Vanessa O'Connor, Beth Churchill, Nigel Hanon, Hanon, Hanon,

Camby with no last name. Byron Ma, Rhett Reed, Tyler Libby, Kittany, Sharia. Kelsey Czech, like the Czech Republic. Jolene Naven, Cindy Gamble, R, this show brought to you by the letter R. Brian Crawford, Hannah Marie Mayer, Pluto, would no last name. Kristen Hawks. Nope, that's Christopher. Holy fuck.

Two different people. Jen would no last name. Emily Boyke. Nick, what is this, Rizzuzki, Lisa Vitt, Alec Wakefield, Musker would no last name. Beth Goodhue, Adam Hostetheller. Huh. Hot Stellar.

Hot Stellar. Joss or Jose would no last name. Stephanie P., Olivia Rodriguez, Cody Dilley, Jesse Fowler, Kirton, Kirstenberg, Chris Carpenter, Zachary McCune, Zachia, H-H-R, Zeneer with no last name. McLevin would no last name. Becca would no last name.

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