Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - 13 Psych Drugs in 4 Months: The Troubling Question in Lindsay Clancy’s Case | Dr. Roger McFillin

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

THIRTEEN psychiatric drugs in four months — that's what Lindsay Clancy was reportedly prescribed before she killed her three children. 💊She wasn't taking all thirteen at once, but clinicians kept starting, stopping, and switching powerful psychiatric medications on a new mother in crisis. Today's guest is Dr. Roger McFillin, clinical psychologist, outspoken critic of the modern mental health system, and host of the “Radically Genuine” Podcast. We ask the uncomfortable question almost nobody wants to touch: what if the system that was supposed to help Lindsay was the thing making her worse? 🩺Thank you to our sponsors!ZEBRA: Use code "ALEX" for 10% off any orderGEVITI: Use code "ALEX" to get 20% off of your first purchaseA'DEL NATURAL COSMETICS: Use code "ALEX" for 25% off first time ordersPRIMALLY PURE: Use code ALEXCLARK for 15% off your first order Q FOR QUINN: Use code "ALEX" for 15% off your non-toxic clothing todayWILD PASTURES: Get an exclusive discount on your next orderOur Guest:Dr. Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPPDr. Roger's Links:Roger's InstagramRoger's XSubstackFOLLOW ALEX:Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.DISCLAIMER: This content is for informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always talk to a qualified healthcare professional for any health-related questions or decisions.

Lindsay Clancy was prescribed 13 different psychiatric drugs in roughly four months before she killed her three children. What happens when you put somebody on 13 drugs over the course of a very short period of time, four months? And you abruptly stop those drugs and you add new ones. What you do is you drug somebody into oblivion. What's interesting about this case when you go into the medical records, she was about to return to work. What Lindsay put in her portal was, I am improving. Sure. I'll sign your paperwork, but you need to take this drug.

This is the treatment for your postpartum depression. Again, how is that postpartum depression identified? We've accepted this as healthcare. Is there anything that modern psychiatry genuinely cures? No, it should not exist. 13 psychiatric drugs in four months. That's how many different medications Lindsay Clancy was reportedly prescribed in the months before she killed her three children.

To be clear, she wasn't taking all 13 at once, but clinicians were repeatedly starting, stopping, and switching powerful psychiatric drugs. So today we're asking an uncomfortable question. What if the mental health system that was supposed to help Lindsay Clancy was actually making her worse? My guest is clinical psychologist Dr. Roger McPhillan, outspoken critic of the modern mental health system and host of the radically genuine podcast. Watch this episode on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Cole.

culture apothecary on Spotify. Please support the show real quick by leaving a five-star review on Apple or Spotify and subscribe on YouTube. Keep this conversation going in the Keith Servidus Facebook group. Dr. McPhillan, welcome to culture apothecary. Dr. McPhilin, Lindsay Clancy was prescribed 13 different psychiatric drugs in roughly four months before she killed her three children. When you look at that medication history, what jumps out at you first? But this is a standard of care and what you're being exposed to the American public And the tragedy that this is is something I've been exposed to my entire career. It is a representation of an illegitimate medical authority and real problems in our culture,

in our medical system. And we see the horrific consequences of somebody on 13 drugs. And we'll go through step by step because I believe it's preventable. And I know online right now we're seeing a lot of anger, hostility, and division. And concerned about that, especially as a Christian audience. you know, those who are followers of Christ, and we have to consider how are we going to create systems in itself that actually recognize the darkness that exists, and we have the courage and the willingness to develop new systems in truth? Because here's the thing about truth, Alex. What is true is always true. It doesn't shift with the election cycle or the new study or the new pharma drug. So the question for all of us in this medicalization of the human experience that has gone on as an experiment for, definitely your entire lifetime. I think you are a target demographic for a multi-generational sciop. And you can trace this back to various forms of evidence where intelligence communities

and the psychiatric industrial complex, the academic aspects of our country, develop specific drugs for particular reasons. This is much more experimental on the human condition and a shift in consciousness that has had catastrophic results. And you as a demographic, and this is what I think makes this somewhat cosmic today to be here with you, as you're about to get married yourself and God willing, you're also going to have children. This provides you such an opportunity with the amount of followers that you have in healing a sick culture to be able to understand what women are actually facing today in 2026, not only in the aftermath of a child or having, you know, two, three, or more children, the real legitimate challenges that exist

for a woman, what happens when they interface with the medical system, God forbid, on the other side of a screen. And you have pretty much a legalized drug dealer who is not there in any respect to do any evaluation. We call this medical care. but where was there any medical evaluation, right? And you push mind and mood altering drugs that have clearly been demonstrating that they can create severe adverse reactions, including suicide and homicide. And that's the induction of just one drug. What happens when you put somebody on 13 drugs over the course of a very short period of time, four months? And you abruptly stop those drugs and you add new ones. And then there's a drug cascade of prescribing

for the symptoms of the initial drug reaction, what you do is you drug somebody into oblivion, where they can deal with severe psychotic episodes. And these are predictable consequences, because we have case law on this. And so I know right now a lot of people are in judgment and fear. This podcast can't be about this. It's got us to be more about love

and being able to understand what we need to heal this culture, because we can all jump into trying to believe that we can come from a higher place of judgment and describe her in the evil that she is for that action or behavior. And I don't know what that does for us. It just creates more division. And we don't get any closer to really being able to help cases like Lindsay Clancy. And I went through the medical file. So I'll talk to you step by step where this could have been prevented.

Oh, I'm excited. I feel like I have kind of a nuanced take. I feel like my take is fair in this case. There's a lot that I've learned doing this show. I do have immense compassion. I feel like she was wronged tremendously by, you know, medical professionals. I understand what happens to people when you are put on antidepressants and then yanked off of them. That can have catastrophic lifelong effects. So there's that part of the case I think it's worth talking about. I also believe that her children deserve justice. And so I feel like the death penalty would be fair.

Now, at least, I think, locked up mental institution for the rest of her life, you know, something has to happen. I don't think she should walk Scott free. But I would love to hear your opinion, and it's okay if we disagree. But what do you think of this case? Well, first of all, I believe there should always be accountability

for all of our actions. I think she's accountable for choosing psychiatry, for choosing the drugs, for every step of the way, needs to be accountability. How do we get out of this place in humanity where we outsource our sovereignty and freedom to experts and professionals if we can't assume responsibility for all of our actions? So that's separate for me. What this is an episode is we have we have the opportunity to save lives because of your demographic. Your demographic is millennial moms, lots of women and now

their husbands as well. So I want to prevent this harm because what happened is you saw a woman and here's details and context always matters when you're going to evaluate a case. She was scared of her own mind, her own thoughts, right? And that occurred after periods of sleep deprivation. This is normal when it comes to postpartum a life, especially in a culture now where it's much more difficult to have a husband at home for an extended period of time. Just because the economics of it, we are very separate as a culture. we don't have the community, close family.

We certainly don't grow up in tribes, like has been all of human history. So you have women are much more isolated. Now imagine you have a couple kids, too. So what you saw was a woman who has no history of this. She is a labor and delivery nurse. And by all testimony, a loving and kind person. And after each pregnancy, she experienced some degree of what she experienced after the third pregnancy, which is some sleep difficulties, some anxiety, right? And we pathologize this. We medicalize this

in our culture. So now we get scared of it. So instead of something that is quite normal, that is quite adaptive, you have somebody who is dealing internally with fear. And that fear can be overwhelming. One thing about all of us as a collective human being is we know what it's like when we struggle with sleep, especially if you put pressure on yourself to sleep. Now, you're waking up, you're breastfeeding, you have two other children, I think they're all under the age of five, the challenges of that a woman goes through in their own insecurities, am I giving this child everything they need, fear of not being able to sleep and be at their best? And so what she did is she did the exact thing that she's always trained to do in this alopathic medical environment.

We've all been trained to do this. We see that if we struggle in any sense, you reach out to an expert or a professional. Nowadays in corporate medicine, it means you jump on a Zoom screen. and you begin to share what you're going through. Now, you're going, in all likelihood, you're going to be exposed to a medical professional who believes that's pathology. Do we have any evidence that this person took the time to really understand how to support her,

to deal with her thoughts, to sleep in a natural way, to help alleviate the old internal judgment and fear that she experiences? No. All she has to offer is a drug with a black box warning. a drug that induces suicide and homicide in a percentage of people. Fact. You offer a drug that is going to be passed through the breast milk to a developing baby. We've accepted this as healthcare. This is our normal. This is our new normal. So people don't bat an eye when you reach out under these circumstances.

But she's a labor and delivery nurse. She's been able to go through this in an episodic way. It resolves itself on its own generally. This is life, and she resisted the antidepressant. Now, what's interesting about this case when you go into the medical records is that she was about to return to work. And for those who are under financial pressure to return to work, and many women out there understand this, especially if you're in healthcare, what you may require is some disability, FMLA, some paperwork signed by a medical professional that says, not ready to go back to work. And we need a medical diagnosis for that. Now, what happens when you're going to the same doctor who has to sign off on that paperwork is also then responsible for the one

that's treating you. And the way they treat you is they prescribe these drugs. Now, that's an inherent conflict, because what you saw in the portal, what Lindsay put in her portal, was, I am improving. I'm improving. No drugs. But I do need the paperwork signed because I am not in a position to return to my job as a medical professional working a third shift. How is that possible? So what? She's saying I want like sleeping pills or what? No, she wants time off. Okay. She wants to be able to keep her job when she returns and in all likely be able to receive some benefits. short-term disability benefit, right? That's a system's problem, right? That's a cultural problem. Totally. Now, in order to get that signature, and I have no evidence that this is the case. Yeah, we're just theorizing. But it's my evidence through 20 years of doing this work. Sure,

I'll sign your paperwork, but you need to take this drug. This is the treatment for your postpartum depression. Again, how is that postpartum depression identified? There's no evidence that she was experiencing postpartum depression. She was experiencing insomnia and anxiety. But now we have to be able to provide that label to be able to attain your time off. And so you see somebody improving with these conditions are generally episodic.

It's a very small percentage of people get impaired by this. You go through a difficult time, you address the problems that you need to address and you move through it. But if you're interfacing with the medical system, you go on a drug. So what happens there, Alex?

What was the first drug? Zoloft. And what do we know about Zoloft? Zoloft is an SSRI. It's a commonly prescribed antidepressant. From being on your show previously, I mean very clear is to me that these drugs are not effective. And what I mean by that is they don't distinguish themselves between someone who gets a dummy pill, a placebo. There's no real difference.

But the drug is dangerous. It's a mitochondrial poison. So you take this drug. The best you can get is a numbing of your emotional states. Okay. Now, if we're going to expand our understanding of what is health, if we're going to expand our understanding of what it means to be a human being, everything is energy. So your emotional states are not some symptoms of some underlying condition that nobody tests for. So she's in a medical system, but where was her medical evaluation? You know, she's not weighed. There's no thyroid

panel. There's nothing. Why would you bring up that Lindsay Clancy should have been given a thyroid panel. Well, if somebody, and this is just me speculating here, God forbid, we use some common sense. If we are going to interface with the medical system and we're going to medicalize this, well, why not do some objective medical evaluation? Because sure, there are situations where people experience mood and anxiety related to hormonal shifts and changes. I mean, we're talking about a time that's very vulnerable for a woman. Her body's changing. It's our third pregnancy. He's got two other young kids. Correct me if I'm wrong, but sometimes women after giving birth, they, some of them think it is, it must be postpartum depression, their thyroid's out of whack.

They just need help with that. And these issues would go away. That's what I've read. Certainly nutrition as other factors, right? But most of the time it's sleep deprivation. And I'm only making that point is because how do we identify, how do we state that this is medical care when you don't run any objective medical test. How do you say it's postpartum depression and it's a biological issue, but you've never been able to identify any underlying medical test? So you give this drug, the best thing you can happen is numb your emotions, right? Which somehow we've communicated to all of the Western world that experiencing your emotions intensely is some disease state. Well, I think the way it's marketed or how people think of these antidepressants and SSRIs is,

well, it'll blunt my sadness and despair. Sure, it also blunts everything else. Love, joy, happiness, you know, any other emotion is, it's all of them. You're just wanting to be, you know, aroused, you know, your, whatever, your sex life. Like, that all is affected. It's not only despair. Alex, all of this is anti-life. It's anti-human. We're running out of time. I mean, we're moving very, very rapidly to a transhumanist agenda. And that part of that transhumanist agenda is this hubris to believe that these technocrats and these experts can alter human beings by merging them with technology. I mean, if you're involved in this space and you understand what's going on at the deepest of levels of technology and government and health care, it's this continued

belief of we can upgrade the human being. And where has that ever? for us demonstrated any positive outcomes. The more we interfere with nature and the complexity of all of this, there is this law, hardens law of human ecology, which means whenever you intervene in nature and we can use human beings for this is you're not just intervening in one area, because there's an interconnectedness of all things. We're all life, we're all energy. Right now, there's life in your body, right? Your microorganisms with, in your gut as a great example. So with this hubris and these chemicals that we pass off as pharmaceuticals and call them medicine, which is part of the sciop, right? There's nothing medicinal

about it. It's fake. What we do is we steal the real and we sell back the fake and then we try to change and alter human biology. And then we're experiencing the predictable, predictable consequences of a chronic disease epidemic, of mental health concerns and people who are absolutely in battles with their own mind. Now, I've worked with women in postpartum mood concerns or challenges my entire career, and I still do. I still do consult from around the world. And I can tell you exactly what responsible care would look like in situations like this. Because, you know, here's, here's what's interesting to me. And I told you this before we started recording. There's so many things about this case, we could easily sit here for four hours and talk about it, like all these

different angles that make this fascinating. And one is you've got hundreds of women showing up outside the courthouse wearing pink in solidarity saying we love lindsay we could have been lindsay same lindsay whatever they're posting videos of them with their kids uh with audio of diary entries of linds of how hard motherhood is or whatever as the as the audio to these videos um somebody i saw an exchange on twitter or x yesterday where somebody was like look postpartum depression very real it's very serious i really feel for these women it's still not an excuse to kill your kid and and some mom responds and says yes it is like that's a valid excuse so I mean, what is your take on this?

We're all being manipulated. This division that exists within our culture along political lines around this manufactured right first left. It doesn't serve our collective humanity. It's not serving our country. And I think it's purposeful. It's purposeful done by bots and authorities and families who want to see us all divided.

So let's accept multiple truths, right? people can empathize with a woman who was drugged into psychosis. Yep. People can also empathize with children who were brutally murdered. Both things are true. There's no reason for us to be divided on such things. Most of your, I think a lot of your audience is followers of Christ, right? And the one thing that I'm trying to grow in my faith is to understand that love is a force of

energy and connection between all of us. And so when Jesus would talk about love and preventing judgment and what you give, you receive, I think he's giving us instructions on like the code of reality, right? The more that we get divided as a culture, we leave ourselves susceptible to being controlled by these external forces. But do you think like, you know, these amount of women like this could have been me or whatever? I mean, do you feel like we're just not equipping women with? the correct advice on how to deal with postpartum. They also were victims of a medical system. Maybe they were put on antidepressants that were making their postpartum worse.

In this particular situation, this is iatrogenic harm. This isn't postpartum psychosis. This is what they're going to try to convince you to get you in fear. All ladies out there, and I understand the irony here that I'm a man trying to explain a woman's experience, but they're trying to get you in fear. Fear provocation gets attention. Fear provocation divides. Fear provocation is a root cause. of disease. You saw a woman who's been exposed to that culture. What are we going to learn from COVID? You know, we all got deliberately attacked. We're under attack and we were poisoned, right? Are we just going to forget that? Go to the local baseball game, watch Netflix at night and

not rise up for some form of revolution? You know, this is where emotions that we experience in response to things like this should not be directed at each other. It should be directed at the systems that are causing such harm. That is not health care. Okay. Again, I'll say it from the beginning. I'm not going to try to say any, you know, statement to try to further divide people. But this is a tragedy. I believe two things can exist. You are ultimately responsible for every decision you make. She was responsible for swallowing that pill. She was responsible for swallowing more pills. And I can empathize with somebody who's in that cascade of distress and harm from the drugs because I've seen it

throughout the course of my career. Somebody who is loving, somebody who was caring, one moment gets placed on these poisons and they're drugged and they are experiencing thoughts that are not theirs. As Christians, too, we also don't think much about or talk enough about the spiritual components of this, right? There is a spiritual aspect to all of this. This is darkness what we've been what we've devolved into and we're on the precipice here of the last front line of human consciousness and so you get completely consumed by that screen and you get brought into these algorithms it's going to further and further indoctrinate you into division and fear and it's that fear is which is going to cause mental distress and that's going to lead you to

go into the system and try to talk to a doctor and then another drug you got to go back to the beginning here. How can we reclaim, I'm going to ask you too, how do we reclaim a culture again? Like, how do we reclaim our own independence and sovereignty out of this political climate that we're in, the social media world that creates this division? It's all Lucian fear provocation, and we're sicker because of it. Yeah, I've started flossing by the pool. Sue me. It's the most powerful I've ever felt. There is something deeply luxurious about standing in the sun. Overpriced iced coffee, sweating beside you, birds chirping and just excavating a little piece of steak from between your molars like you're on an archaeological dig and grease.

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okay? That matters a lot more. Go to gogevity.com. Use code Alex for 20% off. That's gogevity.com. Code Alex for 20% off. What do you think ideally the standard of care for postpartum should be in the United States? The standard of care should be support. So a doctor who, when they interface with the medical system, we're now in corporate medicine. So no longer are, individual physicians growing up in the communities, feeling connected to the person that they're serving. They have like eight or ten minutes. They give this basic screener, like the Edinburgh screener, and then they use that to label a person with a medical condition and then prescribe a drug. That's not how it works. What we have to do is understand that the time that is required for

a woman to recover from that type of event and the source. support that is required from husband, from family members is critical to her health and well-being. She needs time to sleep. She needs time to rest. She needs time to be supported. She needs people to talk to. So it's this internal world of insecurity and self-doubt and challenges. I feel like she had so much help. Like she had a nanny. Her husband was doing all kinds of stuff. Her family was involved. And, you know, she's going to these psychiatrists. You know, so when people like she didn't have adequate help, that's a little off to me, because I feel like she had more than the average mom. Possibly. I mean, I don't know all the details. I know the husband was working. I know

her family had to come in and out. What she was dealing with was sleep deprivation. Yeah. And why was she experiencing sleep deprivation? We don't know. That's the answer. So when you talk about what a standard of care should be, again, back to some common sense. What are the problems she is experiencing and let's solve those problems. Those problems, yeah. She's on Zoloft, Prozac, Clonopin, Volume, Seraquil, Trazodon, a bunch of stuff. When a postpartum woman is started, stopped, and switched through drugs like those, what's happening inside? So this is interesting. So she's prescribed in SSRI. We were talking about Zoloft. And what do we see? We see immediately

48 hours without sleeping. Have you ever gone 48 hours without sleeping? You're going to want to lose your mind, right? So immediately, that is an adverse drug reaction, right? That's a drug that's acting on the serotonergic system, and you automatically see that adverse reaction. So my thoughts are, this could be a metabolizing issue. This is activation syndrome, exactly what we saw in the drug trials that would drive people to want to kill themselves or have mania. And so the physicians were brainwashed into believing if you have an activation syndrome, that's an underlying bipolar disorder. Complete lie, and you still hear this stuff today.

So the prescribing physician recognizes the drug reaction, stops around the drug immediately. Was that the right thing to do? No. What should they have done? Slowly reduced it. I think they should have done some form of gene testing because there's a specific gene variant where we know that if you prescribe a person in SSRI and they're a slow metabolizer that has been proven, and there's case law around this,

It is a precursor to acathesia. Acathia induced homicide. There was a case that I had on my podcast of a gentleman who murdered his 11-year-old son after being prescribed Paxil. And he was acquitted because he had that gene variant. And so it's like a toxic level, right? So tell me how this is medical care when you're giving a drug to a woman. And you have no idea whether she's.

she can metabolize that drug or not. Are you talking about the MTHFR gene or something else? It's the CPY gene. It's about somewhere four to seven percent of women, of European descent, have this gene variant where it makes them very difficult to dispose of this drug. And so you can't use standard prescribing. First of, I don't think the drug should be prescribed at all. So you're talking to the wrong guy on this.

But those who believe that this is something. somehow going to alleviate some stress that someone's experiencing. Those people can't metabolize that drug. See, this is what's frustrating to me. So, like, when I'm looking at this case, I'm like, what? There's an angle here that could be explored by the defense that I don't know if they're digging into it enough. Like, if I'm on her defense team, there's just certain angles of this, like, testing for

this gene, doing these, like, I'm like, why aren't we doing this or talking about, you know, how withdrawal works when you're switching abruptly off these different SSRIs? That's annoying to me. Does it frustrate you? It frustrates me because here's what happens, and this is just basic science, when you start intervening with multiple variables, right? So not only do you abruptly stop one drug where she had an adverse reaction and could put that person into withdrawal, but now you're adding in multiple other variables that you have no idea in how her body is going to respond to that. Can you get withdrawal symptoms only being on a drug for a short time and taking off? Yes, you can.

And again, everyone is different and her biology is different. So we know that the most vulnerable times are starting a drug, stopping a drug, increasing a dose, decreasing a dose. All that happened nonstop over the course of four months. And here's what's insane to me. You have a drug that's acting on a serotonergic system. You prescribe the drug. The person has an adverse reaction. And what do you do? A series of more prescribers prescribe drugs, again, that act on the serotonergic system. Try to make that make sense to, to me? And then she gets, then she is asking for help. She's talking about these intrusive thoughts. She has a lot of fear that she could lose control, which these drugs do lead to such a shift in consciousness that people have lost control. They've jumped out of buildings. They've hung themselves. They've killed themselves. There is a large community out there right now that are saying, these experiences have occurred to me or my family. Let's not be directing our anger and our vitriol in the wrong place right now.

use this for an opportunity to change. You go and you see a psychiatrist with what you're experiencing. They are not trained to be able to help you. On my show, I discussed how a middle school student could be able to understand predictable consequences of this because they are not conditioned and brainwashed into the drug-centered model. So they believe that these drugs are medicine. But what's insane about this is she was, she entered into a postpartum depression program. It was an outpatient postpartum depression program. And this is after her experiencing what, to me, is clear iatrogenic drug harm. And what happens there?

They tell her, you're not appropriate. This isn't a postpartum depression case. You are harmed by the multiple drugs that you are being prescribed. So they call the prescriber. The prescriber never returns the call. What? Never returns the call. Goes back, sees a nurse practitioner instead.

What does the nurse practitioner do? prescribes another SSRI, Prozac. This is what we, initially experiences hallucinations. So what do they do? They prescribe antipsychotics. Yeah, she's talking about how she heard a male voice telling her to harm her kids. So what do you attribute that to? I attribute to drug harm. I've heard it throughout my entire career. Someone who has never experienced hallucinations by no means would ever want to harm their kids is interfered with, this natural design of a human being. is placed a synthetic chemical interfering with this complex design of God by these professionals who have become nothing more than automaton's following some some pharmaceutically driven

algorithm and no longer having any critical or independent thought at all. And their job is dependent upon them prescribing these drugs. That's the case of this. This is why you're not going to see accountability for the prescribers. When the prescribers follow that medical standard of care, which is pushed by the American Medical Association and other these pharma organizations, right, you're not going to be held accountable. That's not going to be medical liability. And so they're placed in this position. They have to prescribe the drug. So if somebody was going through a struggle and did harm themselves or harm others and they weren't prescribed the drug, now their medical license is at risk.

Even though it is very clear and proven that these drugs increase the likelihood of these adverse events, suicide and homicide, they are in this catch-22 working in this corporate medicine system, then they must prescribe the drug. This is what has to change. It's an institution that has failed. It's another segment of the American people under attack. it's the same thing as COVID or pesticides in our food. You're being poisoned, you're under attack, we're at war. And there's a lot more of us than the small people who are running this show.

I mean, basically, psychiatry itself is on trial in the Lindsay Clancy case. Psychiatry is on trial. And this is the standard. This is psychiatry. So you're going to see them jump in on this in this conversation trying to support their profession. When you, you, To your credit, you've had a lot of the episodes about the chemical imbalance lies and the myths of this that are the ones that drive the prescriptions of these drugs. And what do you see? A Harvard-based psychiatrist gets on the stand. And then she begins to spew out the same narrative lies, the marketing lies from the pharmaceutical companies,

that those who are suffering from depression have a chemical imbalance in the brain, and we have drugs that correct that imbalance. Yeah. This is testimony. See, I have so much righteous anger when it comes to this whole aspect of the case. Like, I want to see these psychiatrists and these drug companies held responsible. And I just, and so that part, I'm like, I get it. Like, I feel like, I want to like do something. You know, I want war. And then I just, I still don't understand. Despite all of that, I don't understand showing up in droves,

like wearing pink for Lindsay. I have a solution. What? Here's my solution. Why are we still entering corporate medicine. The physicians, the doctors, the nurses out there, all of you that know what you're doing is wrong. Why not start the alternative? Why not come together and develop alternative systems? This is what's happening behind the scenes, the doctors who were targeted in COVID, innovators, people outside the system are trying to come together to build something new. And that's where my new show is going to be about. It's not going to be just more attention to the darkness of what is happening. It's we're no longer going to put our attention there. We're going to build the alternative systems, right? You're in the dark ages with this alopathic Rockefeller medicine. It is the dark

ages. Evolve. It is time to evolve. Go into post-material science. Understand that we have to return to the pure human. They are trying to alter your DNA. We are under attack. And it is much more spiritual and dark than we could ever imagine. And we have to recognize the spiritual aspect about this. Michaela Peterson and Daniel Gansky have recently been on the show. I'm sure you know both of them. They talked about acethesia. Yeah.

As soon as I started listening and learning about the Clancy case, I wondered if Lindsay could have been going through any of that. Do you think acathia could have played a part or not quite that yet? It's certainly possible. This is what we talk about with activation syndrome, right? And this is on the spectrum, right? somebody can experience this inner restlessness, this agitation, and we're limited by language. So you communicate it to your physician as I'm experiencing anxiety. And that can be easily dismissed by a professional too, right? Just anxiety. Anxiety is not inherently dangerous, but

acathies is. And that's certainly an example of an iatrogenic harm, a known drug reaction that is indicative of what's going to be a poor response to that drug. So what is activation syndrome? What is acathias? So people understand what we're talking about. I put them under the same category as you take a drug and it's, and it provides a stimulating effect. And the stimulating effect can range. So from acathesis, it's that inner restlessness, insomnia, you feel like you're losing your mind. It almost feels like inside you're burning up. And it's hell.

And this is a precursor to people who end up ending their lives. I know you've had Kim Wittsack on this podcast as well. And she tells a story of Woody. Woody has no history of mental health issues at all. all he did was have some anxiety before a job. He's handed a drug and he has this adverse reaction. He hangs himself, right? We see violence to self of others when people have these reactions. We don't know who's going to have them. That's why it is Russian roulette. Yes, you're going to have a lot of people who are going to take the drug and they're not going to have immediate consequences and their condition will probably pass and they might say these aren't dangerous drugs at all or it even helped me, but we have no idea who that person is going to be. So if you, and I feel like I have tried my absolute darnest to get it through the audience's heads, like do anything you can to not ever have to take an SSRI. No excuse.

But some of them will. Some of them will say, I don't care. This is it. I want to do it. If they're that person, what should they be going to their doctor and asking for? What is the test? Like, you've got to test me for this gene variant before I take this pill. Well, it's a CY.

P family. Doctors should know this. It's a swab of the cheek. And it's just determining whether they have that gene variant is going to be a poor metabolizer. But that's the wrong conversation. Don't go on this drug. I know. There's no reason to go on this drug. This is 2026. There is no reason to go on this drug. Why do we think that's the answer? Listen, I know it's not easy to be in distress. emotional pain is hard. Sadness is hard. Even not being able to get out of bed because you're exhausted and you're tired and you're sleep deprived. That does not mean your only option is to take a drug that's going to give you a cascade of other problems. That is not a solution. Your emotions are not the problem. Emotions are natural. They're energy. They're signals. We have to be much more connected

to our intuitive sense. And this is where it has to be a change in our culture. We have this imbalance of the masculine and feminine energy in this culture. You know, the feminine energy is intuition. It is nurturing. It is compassion. And you disconnect women from all of that through fear and fear provocation. And that's exactly what you do when you interface with this medical system. Your fear of your own mind, your thoughts, your emotions. What if this horrible thing could happen? What if I could harm my children? What if there's something wrong with me? And that's why we see so many women of a certain demographic who are taking these drugs because they have somehow been brainwashed and believe that there's something in two of the

really inherently wrong with them, to be emotional, to be sensitive, to be loving, to be nurturing. No, that is exactly what you're here for. And when you have a culture that becomes overly aggressive and, you know, demonstrably being, you know, judging others and believing you got to get right back to your corporate job as soon as possible. Yeah. And more than three months is just, you know, you know, we need you to be back. It's a form of slavery.

And that's what our economic system has become. It's become a form of slavery. And so instead of us looking at, you know, the corporations and the manner in which they induce a control system over our entire culture and we've just become consumers and we're not serving each other, you know, we're not solving the actual problems. A woman should have much more than three months home with their child. And if they're struggling with any of these things, they should not feel this pressure to have to get back to work to save their job.

So, but right before Charlie was. murdered Charlie Kirk. He had said that he wanted to instate six months maternity leave for all the women that work here at Turning Point USA. Beautiful. Totally. And I thought that was amazing. And I had been talking about that for years here internally of, you know, we talk so much about the importance of family values, all these things, like we really need to practice what we preach. You know, Charlie gets married. He has his own kids. I really think Erica played a huge part in that of if him coming to that conclusion, we need to offer six months. Okay, he's murdered. Now, not every man in this place loved that idea because they're like, what do you mean? I'm going to have like women on

my staff gone for half a year. Like, we can't, you know, we need people to get back to work. That's too long. Like, I don't think that we should, we should keep that going. I raised hell. I was like, absolutely not. This was Charlie's choice. We're not changing this. Like he had said, so anyway, long story short, I made sure to get loud about that. And we do have six. months maternity leave here. Anyway, so I agree with you. I think that's incredibly important. And, you know, people are like, people that are not necessarily conservative or hate us

because we are conservative, you know, here at Turning Point don't always want to admit that that like most liberal or they're like my liberal corporation I work for, you know, plan parent or whatever. Like they're not offering me. They're not offering me this time off, which I think is neat. But yeah, that's a huge important thing that we could be advocating for. we could be going to local legislators for. There's just other aspects of this

instead of just taking a pill for everything that we could be fighting for. Do you think government's the answer? It's not the ultimate answer. It is always within ourselves. We have to be responsible for ourselves, first and foremost. It's why, you know, I believe in the Second Amendment,

can't always rely on the police to show up in time, all these different things, right? But one thing, and there's been good and bad with the Maha movement, but there definitely has been grassroots upheaval on some issues and we have gotten some things changed, you know, from a legislative standpoint. That's been great. Why do we have to wait on that?

Well, we don't. You could be running your own company and say, I'm going to make this choice, right? But if we don't, if we're not all making noise and getting loud about this and saying this isn't right, you know, nobody's going to do anything. We don't realize our power of community. It's just directed in the wrong place. If you're going to see Maha as a movement to try to hope that the U.S. government can now give us permission to have something on a drug label or potentially to give us more time off.

We've lost a sense of who we are as American people. Don't wait for the black label on the SSRI. We've been fighting for this forever. Yeah. And we're still not getting it. That's why I do believe in personal responsibility and human sovereignty. There's much more of us than our of them. Yeah.

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That's primly pure.com. Code Alex Clark for 15% off at checkout on anything on the website. Here's what terrifies me. If a patient gets dramatically worse after starting a psychiatric drug, how does the clinician distinguish the issue is worsening from, you know, the drug is causing or amplifying this symptoms? They don't. They're completely indoctrinated. It's an illegitimate medical authority that has the right to take away your freedom. And remember that. So take a look at this case. Do you trust their judgment? Do you trust their judgment? No. You've seen these physicians and nurse practitioners jump on the stand. So just so you know, and this has been used for to put political prisoners and opposition in jail throughout the course of the, all the way dating back to the 19th century. Psychiatry is an arm of the state. It's not a science.

And this was a dying profession that needed to be rescued by the pharmaceutical industry. And again, in line with, just look into the date on MK Ultra. Look at the history of this profession. If you think, if you're struggling with a medical concern, then go to the appropriate specialist. I'm not denying that people should get good medical care. But that's not what you get from psychiatry. you get drug dealers are just going to say you have this underlying illness. And they have,

they're the one medical professional that can incarcerate you. And so go into a psychiatric hospital and that is worse than jail. At least in jail, you get an hour outside. You get locked inside a psychiatric hospital and they deem you to be suicidal. They're going to do 15 minute checks and stop by your room. How do you get sleep in 15 minute checks? The type of care you get there is like coloring. Look at what's how Lindsay Clancy was treated when she was there over the holidays through the first of the year is you don't even get to see a doctor. You sit there and you color with men on your unit. There's so many people that have been traumatized by what we call psychiatric care. And I'm telling you this needs to be a wake-up call. You can probably sense my

emotion around this because for a lot of us, we've been fighting for a long time. Well, what do you think should happen. Because I've always been, I've been saying, bring back the insane asylums, but you don't think that's a good idea. Well, wrong word. Okay, so what is the word? Like, tell me, wait, like, you create this facility. Like, what does it look like to treat actual, like, severe mental, like, they're gone? You know, it's not just, like, drug withdrawal or something. I mean, this is like they're totally disabled. Yeah. Again, small percentage of people, thank goodness. Yeah. But what we need to have them is exposed to is nature. So those asylums were often built into the country, right? And they received

some of the best medical care called sunshine and touching grass and caring and love from, you know, people who want to see them kind of evolve through what they're going through space and time. And so you had the severe, what we would label now severe conditions, we would see them resolve themselves. You just have to have a history lesson on this. And this is what happens when we don't read anymore. And we become disconnected from history is we don't understand that a lot of this severe disability

began to rise dramatically, the more we started drugging everybody who's experiencing distress. So the evidence is great, in other countries, when there's connection to nature. You're not drugging somebody. They're provided emotional support, nutrition. Yeah. Makes sense. Things of that nature. I mean, you even see when they change the nutrition in jails,

you've seen behavior issues, you know, basically dissolve different things like that. Yeah. So let me ask you because at this point you have a PhD in this, right? How many interviews have you gone through? Tons. I actually, I was just thinking about that this morning when I was getting ready to come here is I was thinking like, man, I think the SSRI issue, the antidepressants overprescribing, I feel like this might be one of my most frequented topics on the show. Yeah, I know I've learned a lot from your show. And certainly when it comes to like food freedom and the pesticides and you've been incredible in this movement. That's why I also think you're going to be so important when you have a child, when you go through pregnancy and you can understand it yourself.

And then you can communicate to your audience, how you and your husband and your family supported you and you were able to work through something. But the question is you've seen all this harm done by powerful forces, right? Food. The medical system. What's behind it? I mean money. Do you think it's just money? Power.

Just money and power. They have all that. What do you think? I think it's an anti-human, transhumanist agenda. It's anti-life. Yeah. Well, that's for sure. They're trying to decrease the population.

They're moving us very quickly. to very small, controllable surveillance state? I mean, basically Marxism. Much more worse than that. Much, much worse than that. You're going to have a centralized digital currency, right? So this goes beyond just medical freedom. It's financial freedom, right?

Or do you feel like the U.S. dollar is heading in the right direction? No. Is your tax money serving you as a Christian woman, right? So, you know, you say these things in this country and you can be quick, branded a domestic terrorist, which is a problem. My future co-host, Tracy Thurman, who has been an angel warrior in this movement, won for first protecting regenerative farming and raw milk, because raw milk healed her from a vaccine injury. You know, she stood there with the Amish while there was armed raids from the U.S. government. And her next step was to protect sovereignty, economic sovereignty,

for those who are trying to create alternative systems outside of central bank. So this whole alternative world of cryptocurrencies and so forth are people trying to create the solution because they know we're moving right towards that agenda 2030. And so while we're not paying attention and we're fighting with each other, laws are being passed that are taking away our freedoms. And anyone involved in the banking system right now, I've just had, I've started a business, Radgen Media, and I've changed bank accounts. And you know how hard it is to get my own money?

It's extremely challenging because they'll be able to shut it down. It's not your money. Scary. You put it in the banks. It's the bank's money. And they shut that down. And then the state gets to be able to determine when you have access to your money. This is moving right towards what is occurring in China right now.

Now, you follow our rules, right? You're getting our vaccine. You can't travel right now, obviously, because of, you know, global warming or some other, you know, made-up crisis or catastrophe. And, you know, they're pushing us to these, you know, 15 minutes. in cities and you won't be able to eat real food and you're just going to love it. And so they've put that out into the collective consciousness and everything gets normalized. And it's still normalized. So now, you know, you go into a situation where somebody's drugged into oblivion.

They kill their three children. You know, we're just going to blame the person who did that, not the harm that was done to that person. And it happens every single day. Some of them are suicides and you're just told it's your mental illness. So here's what's strange to me. When you have mass shootings, these teenagers in these schools, there's definitely been more discussion lately on was this kid on antidepressants?

Could that have played a role? I don't see people jumping to their defense like, well, then the mass shooting could be, couldn't be excused because he was on these pills. Why is Lindsay different? Why do you think Lindsay is different? The way she's being treated by people on social media versus, like, like a mass shooter, who we also think could possibly have come in contact with these drugs at some point. Yeah, it's a really good question. It's empathy for a mother who is going through things that a

lot of ever women have experienced, and that's that shared empathy. You don't necessarily have the shared empathy for a 20-year-old male who enters into a school and kills. children. So I think we all understand that. And that's why I'm okay with taking a step back and saying, we're all responsible for all our actions. You're responsible for choosing that form of health care. That's why this has to be a movement of the individual and community. We have to educate people, so they don't end up doing that. Okay, so Lindsay was moving between providers. Who is supposed to be looking at the entire medication picture? Is there somebody whose job is supposed to say, hey, stop, what the heck are we doing here?

Why is she moving across providers? How did we normalize this? Right? This is an example of corporate medicine, which puts you on a conveyor belt. It doesn't matter who you see. They don't care. You come in, they're staring at their screen

where they're typing in because they're more interested in having to document this than who you are. And there's no coordination of care, right? Just because they pop something in there through AI into that chart does not in any way discuss who that person really is. So you're being dehumanized. That's why you have to pull yourself out of the system.

This is a human movement. You cannot voluntarily enter into systems that dehumanize you. Yeah. So we know the harms of SSRIs. We've talked about that. Benzodiazepines are another huge part of this story. Ativan, Clonopin, Valium. What can repeated switching dose changes, tolerance, withdrawal from benzos do psychologically?

Exactly what you're seeing in this case. So I understand the potential short-term use of a benzodiazepine in an emergency situation. That's not this. She was placed on a benzodiazepine in an adverse drug reaction for insomnia. You know, that's not the case. So I empathize with the physician who admits somebody who is experiencing like severe and chronic insomnia and the person feels overwhelmed by their anxious state regardless of the cause, because we never seem to get to root causes. And then use something like that one time in an emergency situation. That's not how it's used in our health care system.

We'll place people on that drug so haphazardly and people will create such quick dependence because the drug has high, high dependence. And then you experience, you know, what's called a rebound, anxiety, because the body, like anything, adapts. You know, this goes back, if we're going to put some seams together here for this entire episode, it is for everyone out there, understand that your divine nature and the design of who you are as a human being by God, that we as human beings could not even begin to imagine how everything is interconnected. And that's the same thing with our entire culture, why I'm pushing back against division, because we are all interconnected. All of us, we're all from one source.

Yes, we certainly come into this body. We incarnate into this body for a human experience. We're souls. We have energy. But this is a medical profession who still thinks the brain produces consciousness. And that's certainly not the case. Consciousness is fundamental. What I'm interested is having conversations about the future of humanity.

And that includes post-material science, which basically nobody's exposed to. we're still stuck in the dark ages with this material science. Most of what we experience in this world is outside of our five senses. It's a fact. There's quantum physics, quantum biology. There's all these advances in healthcare that people are not in any way bringing their attention to. And it's going to transform the human being in a healthier way. And that's why we are at such a precipice here that they're going to try to move us, even the maha movement.

The maha movement has been indoctrinated in so many different ways. They're going to want to put you on wearables. they're going to want to try to inject you in various ways and they're going to say that's health care. Resist. What's your reaction to this, Dr. McPhillan? The prosecution's toxicology testimony reportedly found concentrations of several drugs in her blood after the killings below toxic levels with some below therapeutic levels. It's nonsense. You're distracted.

It's not about a toxicity case, right? They determine toxic levels from people who have overdosed on, like, heroin and died. and then they determine some arbitrary sense of that. That's not this case. You can take one SSRI and it can become toxic, right? Don't follow the nonsense. It's meaningless. And that is for a jury who's not going to understand,

and that's for the American public who's not going to understand. It's not about toxicity. It's about altering your consciousness. It is about an experimental drug that's made in a factory, that's synthetic, that interferes with all of human design. That serotonin is not just interfering

with one area. That is a whole body system. And so it is changing who you fundamentally are when you take that drug. That's why people experience numbing psychosis. It's an anti-life drug. It's why there's so much sexual dysfunction by taking it. See it for what it is. You're under attack. The prosecution also points to planning. Google searches about suicide, sending her husband out on that area in researching psychosis and medications. Does organized behavior rule out psychosis or drug-induced mental disturbance. No. Okay. So here's what's happening in a situation like that. You're in the process of deteriorating. You know, you're starting to fear your own mind, which is exactly what she's doing. She did what

anyone else would do. Can the drug create this? Am I a sociopath? You're starting to question who you are. You lose a complete sense of who you are. Whenever you're going to get disconnected from your emotions or your mind, they're all meant for you, okay? She was induced into this state. She's going through a cascade of drug reactions, that is a predictable response for any human being. You and I would do it too. And it is by no means, by no means means that she's planning, right? That's just, that's, that's just spin. That's what all humans do. I mean, look at, you know, people are going to look at their own history of search, is, especially with AI now, people are questioning everything, right? And they're putting things in there. Does that represent something like, like, like, this is, this is an intent or

planning? No. This is curious people. if you're struggling, if you're on this state towards deterioration, like she was clearly on a state towards descending into deterioration over a four-month period. So when you get that evidence at various states in that deterioration, it's just a representation of where she was mentally at that time. If you were handed Lindsay Clancy's complete medical record, you know, five months, four months before the killings, not knowing what was going to happen, what would you have told her husband. I've been in this situation countless times. First of all, you start on this path of taking these drugs. Here are some potential predictable consequences all the way to that. This is an opportunity

to come together as a family. This is an opportunity for love. Whatever it takes, all hands on deck. Tell me about who's her support system. Tell me about her parents. Tell me about your parents. Are their sisters? Everyone comes in to support. She needs sleep. She needs sleep and she needs love and we need to take care of this child and we have to know what she's what she's struggling. We have to cook for her. We have to create the most nourishing food and we create an environment of complete love. Do not turn to a telehealth session with a psychiatrist you just Googled to try to get a prescription and think there's a quick fix. There are no quick fixes.

But everything is happening for you. So even when you go through struggles like this, it can bring a marriage together. It can bring a family together. This is how you demonstrate love to each other. You serve each other when you suffer, right? And that's what we've lost in our culture. First, we've lost the language of suffering. Instead, we've medicalized everything.

But instead of turning to each other, we turn to the credential. We turn to the supposed expert. But the last thing you want to do is turn to experts who've been indoctrinated into this Rockefeller medicine system. Do you put any way at all in the theories that her, husband Patrick, drugged her, killed the kids, was the voice that she heard, that she couldn't speak. So he told the police, oh, no, she did it. You know, was this all like masterminded by the husband? Do you think there's any possibility of that? Yeah, we love the John Gresham novel. You know, we love the true crime podcast. Yeah. Yeah. If a mom is watching this and she is on an

SSRI, I don't want her terrified and I definitely don't want her just abruptly stopping. We've talked about that is the most dangerous thing that you could do. What symptoms should make her call her prescriber immediately? And then what question should she ask? What should she do going forward? You always put me in these positions, right? Because I would have tried to prevent that situation at all costs. I know. That's why I try with these episodes, but you know, but sometimes people find us late, you know, somebody could be, they've never heard this show. This is the first episode they've ever heard. And so I think about that person. Yeah. And that's wise and that's being responsible. So first of all, you should know that these drugs have been only studied for a short

a period of time, right? Eight to 12 weeks, generally speaking, those are the clinical trials. That's how they're approved. And that's why they're not studied for long-term use. They're not studied for long-term use, right? So have a plan to get off and have a plan to get off safely. And I know you've done episodes around this. It's hyperbolic tapering. And there's so many things to look at also when you're trying to support yourself and getting off these drugs. Many people who have gone to an SSRI struggle in being able to understand their emotions and regulate their emotions, they're scared of them. This is your demographic. It's a demographic of mostly women because women are prescribed these drugs at double the rate of men. And when I was on the FDA panel hearing for SSRI's

for pregnancy, one of the things I said is, you know, this is really evidence about how women have been targeted in our culture. And so your own emotion. now become symptoms, something to drug, instead of truly understanding it. And that's why there's a psychologist who I love out of Denmark by the name of Anders Sorensen. He's a psychologist who studied these drugs. And he is able to articulate that when you're getting off these drugs, you're being re-exposed to your emotions, the same things that you feared, your own mind, the same things you feared. And you have to learn how to respond to your emotions in new ways. some people were drugs since they were adolescents.

So we have to be aware of the consequences of what we've done to these women that they need to be able to understand their emotions again and be able to use them to their benefit because they're not symptoms of an illness. They are guides. Yeah. Right. And so they have to relearn that, but you go off the drugs slowly. Hyperbolic tapering.

Sometimes it's like 10% dose reductions each month. Take your time. High fat diet. high nutrition nutritional diet. Like fat is really important for our bodies and our minds and dealing with these poisons. So, you know, Dr. Adam Urato. Love Dr. Adam Uralo. Okay, he's been on, that's a great episode.

You guys have to go back and listen to all about what to do if you're on SSRIs while you're pregnant. The really serious side effects that could impact your baby if you are taking SSRIs while pregnant. Now, this messaging is a little bit confusing for these pregnant moms that are currently on SSRIs because they're like, okay, I'm hearing like, you can't, just get off of it, but also it's super dangerous to be on while pregnant, even though my doctor's telling me it's safe. So I need to get off. Like, what should those women do if they're on it?

But now they're like, I really don't want to be because I'm pregnant, but it takes a long time to taper off. Like, what do you do? These are one of those difficult questions again, because you're asking, we've already put somebody in a vulnerable position of harm without their consent. And now what do we do? So first, let's prevent it. Okay? It's 2026. Let's prevented. You got to go through whether it takes years or months, the slow taper process before you ever try to conceive. As a responsible adult, to not put a child in harm's way, that's what I think. Now, that pisses a lot of women off, but so be it. Because they're like, I want a child. I want it now. That's how dare you tell me I need to wait. Sorry, we're an adult. We have to do hard

things for kids. Yeah. Truth can be very dangerous and very threatening to people, especially if you've made decisions that have detrimental effects. And that's where compassion comes in place. I have the utmost compassion for somebody who's just struggling and was in front of the wrong person at the wrong time. Absolutely. And so you know it. It's like you get off slowly. You're monitored. And I believe in faith. And so you pray and you have faith in God that wants to protect that child. And you get yourself as healthy as possible. And there's been plenty of cases, clearly where people have been able to get off those drugs and we haven't necessarily observed harm done to that child. And I think that's protection. And that's protection of a spiritual

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That's wildpastures.com slash Alex. Because when it comes to feeding your family, sourcing matters. You posted recently, the rise in psychiatric drug prescriptions correlates with the declining physical and mental health of Western society. Is that really true? That's a fact. So we can think about it from multiple perspectives. We've talked about the physical impact on this, right? So you're taking mitochondrial poisons, right? This is targeting you at a metabolic level. You will, if you're on this drug for a prolonged period of time, will eventually experience some form of chronic disease. This is back to what we said about

intervening with nature. But let's talk about our consciousness, our mentality. What are we doing? We're believing that our internal states, which are there to serve us, are dangerous signs of some form of mental unwellness, right? So you learn to not trust yourself. You fear these powerful energies, which is your emotional states, which are used for creation. They're used for revolution. they're used to support community members. And you enter into this indoctrinated, controlled system where they're drugging all of that, which is purposeful. It's intentional.

And the best you can get is a sedated version of yourself that's more easily manageable. Your life is not to be manageable. Your life is not to be controlled. Your powerful creator being of God and you're meant to be, you're meant to love, you're meant to use everything of all your desires that were meant for you to be a, to create exactly what your soul wants to experience on this earth. And you have, one of those right now is courage. You came here for this time. I believe that everyone who's listening to this, it's not a coincidence. You're listening to this because we're all aligned. And you're supposed to

hear this. And this is supposed to awaken this in your heart that now is the time to change. Now is the time to wake up as scary as it is. Right. As scary as this can be, we can feel like we're powerless and we're helpless. We're not. We come together as communities and we create the alternative. This is a call to action for all the doctors out there. Some of our best and our brightest who entered into systems and believed what they were doing was the best available evidence. And now they realized they were lied to. Let's not just use Anthony Fauci as a sacrificial lamb. Let's use... Who should be prosecuted, by the way. I mean, to me, that's death penalty, right? You know, the mass harm that was done in that situation. It's true. You could attribute you

He could say it was murder. And that's not the best side of me, obviously. Like, as Christian, I don't want to think about those things. And that's not where I want to bring my attention. But he's a sacrificial lamb, and everyone's bringing the attention in a wrong way, right? We have been poisoned by a lot of people who were directing exactly him to act in a way that he was. We were lied to. Well, and the diary, I'm sorry, but the diary is the biggest indictment because he's literally, you know,

fangirling over the fame and the attention and admitting, oh, everything I'm saying is wrong. And then still continues to lie to the public anyway. So he's a total different beast. Dehs the enemy. Del Bigtree, I went to dinner with him, you know, Del. And I went to dinner with Dell, I don't know, in the last year or so, and something he said really struck me about Fauci. He said, you know, I met a lot of these people.

I worked with a lot of doctors, you know, about vaccines, whatever. Most of them, I can say, like, we totally disagree, but they really do believe they're doing good. He said, Anthony Fauci is the most evil person I have ever met in my life, knows he's harming people doesn't care. He also doesn't have power. Someone else has power. So that's when I pose that question to you, who, for what, when, who's behind all of this? Just be aware the thing that they fear the most is revolution. They fear a culture, a society, a country, no longer accepting this. Yep. And that's where we're at. No longer bringing attention to darkness. The darkness exists.

We know it. But that's not how you make change. You become the light. Absolutely. Is there anything that modern psychiatry genuinely cures? No. Not one mental illness. No. It should not exist. And I won't sleep well at night until that profession no longer has power in American culture. So what if you're a psychiatrist listening to this and you're like, man, that's so freaking insulting. I got into this because I really want to help people. What am I supposed to do? Like that's so offensive. What's offensive is, that you continue to follow the standard of care because of your paycheck or your reputation, or it's the cognitive dissonance that's created to know that you could be, you could be creating tremendous harm and you believed you were doing good. This isn't about you. And that's a pathway to misery in life when you make it about yourself. And this is why there's greater spiritual questions around this.

Why are we here? we're here to learn unconditional love we're here to transcend the carnal ego mind and to understand that we're all interconnected and so there is a shift there's a transition that's happening now so you have courage you apologize you leave that system and if we can take your skills as a trained physician to try to restore health and decency back into our health care system let's do it let's come together What's your response to people that are going to reject everything you're saying because you're not a psychiatrist? You've been conditioned, you've been brainwashed into credentialism. In some respects, Alex, I would respect, I would trust you more. Well, no, actually, I'm going to say this truthfully. I would trust you with a postpartum mother over what the care that was just received by Lindsay Clancy.

because first there's a couple things. You've got your PhD through these interviews, right? You have an interconnected network. There's a developing wisdom. You know the harm. So you're going to prevent the harm. And I'm pretty sure that you would support just community, love the right food, and you'd get someone through that condition.

So don't fall in to the sci-up of credentialism because these people have credentials and they hurt people and they harm people. And I'm not saying their intention was to do that. Yeah. Like multiple truths can exist at the same time. Totally. That's how I feel about the Clancy case.

Is there anybody that you think should take an antidepressant? No, never. Under no conditions. Okay. So how do you respond to somebody that says, Dr. McPhillan, Prozac saved my life? I don't care what your studies say. I know how I felt before and after it. Do you believe them?

I do. Because we are creators of our own reality. whatever we believe to, whatever we believe and whatever we align to becomes a truth for the individual. And this is where I mentioned earlier post-material science. So one of the most powerful findings of all of science is the power of belief. The power of this belief and power of faith in some conditions, right, which is a sense of also belief, has curative factors on the human body. The doctor who comes to you, and this is a great example, everybody remember this,

okay, because this is important. Let's say you have the worst of diagnoses. It's a progressive cancer. And the doctor, who's in this system, understands that there's a percentage of people who this cancer will go into remission, right? But maybe it's a very small amount. Maybe five to 10 percent will go into remission. The doctor who comes to you, and this is where I want this episode to be understood within the heart and not the mind. Feel it. Because everyone's getting distracted and you don't feel what's true anymore. The doctor who says, you know what, 10% of people overcome this,

we're going to find everything out there about the people who do overcome that. And we're going to replicate that. I believe in you. Your body is going to fight this and you're going to live a long life. The doctor that does that will absolutely, verifiably have significantly higher outcomes than what we do. I'm really sorry. Get your affairs in order.

It's quite bleak. The survival rate is not very high and you have a small amount of time to live. You're creating in consciousness. And these are the things that you know that we're in a sick care system. Because although this exists, the doctors won't implement it. And I always ask why. Why? Don't give me this that somehow you're trying to give people a realistic outcome.

You are creating an outcome. It's the same exact thing with the mental health therapy world. You are co-creating with that person. When you start identifying with something that happened to you in your life, where they're a trauma or your childhood or any event, you are co-creating with that individual to define them. You go into the sci-up of all these psychiatric diagnosis. you are literally beginning to co-create with them.

And so begin to realize the power we have in each other. If we're going to be co-creators, create in health and sovereignty and freedom and love and purpose. And even if that person somehow does not survive that diagnosis, maybe there's some greater meaning to it. A lot of people find forgiveness facing chronic illness. A lot of people begin to really understand their life from a varying perspective. And everything is temporary.

we're leaving anyway, right? Remember you're going to die. So what, I mean, for people that are like, I am severely depressed and I have to take this pill and they're listening to this, they're getting pissed off because they're like, what, I'm just supposed to think myself out of it. I mean, you know, they're going to be very, they're going to reject this. It's actually the opposite because you just identified yourself, I am severely depressed. I, I am. No, that's not who you are. You might be going through a hard time. You might be experiencing distress or despair. Welcome to the human experience. This is what you've gotten disconnected from. You know, read meditations by Marcus Aurelius. What I'm referring to is this is our experience as human beings.

The difference when I see in outcomes, and I've worked with people severely depressed my entire life, the one who identifies with that and believes they're sick and there's no hope is the one who stays that way. The one who externalizes their sovereignty and freedom to a pill is, is the one that takes an episodic condition in their life that could be used for transformation, and it creates chronic illness. Okay. Those who understand that this emotion, even the difficult times, is teaching me something. It's for me.

There's a reason for it. I am not on my path. Those people take those situations and they use it for transformation. That's the important piece. When somebody comes to you and they're struggling with these issues, what do you prescribe them? if it's not ambient and Zoloft and... I don't prescribe them anything, and I'm not going to use that medicalization nonsense

that we've pushed in here. You're a human being. You should be understood. Everything you're going through is part of your journey and your soul's journey. Why did it happen? Tell me the context of your life. How are we going to respond to improve your life?

Because I talk about it in terms of a blessing. It is a blessing, and it's happening for you. and if you can shift that into your consciousness, it changes everything and then everything starts happening for you, Alex. You know, people are going to come into your life to give you exactly what you need. You might have new opportunities is because you've aligned with that. We're vessels, right? You're going to be so much better at your job when you make a commitment to become a vessel of that energy. If you get completely swept up in what this culture is and what's being argued online and you get into this fear provocation, never realize your true powers. And you're here for something much, much bigger than just this,

right? You're here for what is next, because you can take this entire platform and you can align with people who are going to create the new. And then when you have, when you have children, you're going to be able to reflect back on these conversations. You're going to be able to get on your show. You're going to be able to get on your platform. And you're going to be able to normalize things because we're getting more separated. We're getting more disconnected. And that's how we, that's how we remain connected. It's through online. So people, are seeing themselves, you know, you're like a mirror, you know, to other people in, uh, in this demographic, in this range, in this culture, conservative Christians, millennial mom, you're the mirror.

So what you mirror back is really, really important. What demonstrated evidence is there on the impacts of exercise, diet, sun, nature, community on anxiety and depression? Yeah. It's amazing that how we even like talk about this. First of all, you could be struggling with your mood, you could be in fear, you could be experiencing chronic illness because of the disconnection from all of those things. Exercise is not a luxury. It's necessary. You have to move your body. You are designed to move. That is medicine. The right food is medicine. sunshine is the most powerful healing energy that exists. That's why they've devonized that.

That's why they put toxic sunscreen on you. You tell you you avoid the sunshine, right? Everything that this Rockefeller medicine has done and these recommendations have achieved their result. They've achieved the goal, right? Is to get you back into the system and to be dependent, right? This is a return to ancestral wisdom. this is a return to community connection to nature you work with nature you don't work against it right

that's why you see if we want to talk if we want to if we want to make this science right and look for evidence yeah what's it like when you get up in the morning and you meditate and you pray and you walk in the sun and you connect yourself to the grass and you have nourishing food and you read and you have a great conversation and you're not on your phone and you're not addicted to Netflix and you serve children or you serve your community and you create tell me what that happens to that's the antidote for all what we call depression anxiety it's living a full life in the flow of life which is god flowing through you as a vessel it's why i when your team reached out to me about my book recommendation i said the surrender experiment by michael singer

an amazing, amazing autobiography of his life experience of just surrendering. When his mind and his ego said, don't do that. When fear crept in, he somehow, through his own commitment to silencing his mind and going into meditation was to receive the flow of God and say, where do I go next? And he surrendered to that, and he had the most amazing life. Instead, we're all swimming upstream, right? we're going against that natural flow, natural desire, because we're trying to accommodate to what these corporations or this fear porn or whatever is trying to tell us we should be.

Do you believe ADHD is real? You know the answer to that. I know the answer. But someone knew might not. No, ADHD is not real. I had an interesting conversation, you know, coming here. What do you tell somebody who has identified with ADHD? And they really believe that they're unable to have success in these certain environments.

And it's because something's innately wrong with their brain. Well, I said first year, again, you're a victim of propaganda. But here's the thing about the human experience is when we, if we place ourselves in an environment, that's not for us, right? So for me, for example, if you want to make me an engineer, I'm disabled. If you want to probably make you a WNBA basketball player, you're probably going to be disabled, right? We force ourselves into propaganda schools, I mean public schools, and we are supposed to sit there as being, you know, good little soldiers where we received the propaganda, and we regurgitate back to what the authority figure told us. Again, more government propaganda.

And so all those who can't sit under artificial light need to move the body and can very clearly see that the person in front of them has no business educating them. And we disconnect kids and we feed them poisons and they're not allowed to be in nature. And then you start to struggle in that environment. What do you do? You label and drug them. Yeah. Yeah. So you tell me does ADHD, is that real?

Well, what about taking Adderall and they're like, oh, you know, an adult is like, man, for the first time my brain actually works? No, you're on speed. You're on a form of meth. And you're going to experience that. Everyone's going to experience that. But again, the brain's... So what's the solution for ADHD-type symptoms, I guess? If you don't think it's real, like, what should adults struggling with that do instead

of take a pill? Yeah. So here you go. The useless label, so we know nothing. We know nothing other than a useless label. But guess what? People come in and they have real problems. One of the things I have always said to people who came into seeing.

me. Pull out your phone for me. Let's see your screen time. Yeah. And it's so interesting. I've seen it, you know, for a period of time, it was two hours a day, then four hours a day, then six hours a day. Then 2020 came. Six hours jumped to eight hours, to even ten hours. You're not made to be addicted to screens. And there is nothing wrong with your brain. your brain is going to adapt to stimuli in the way that it's supposed to adapt to stimuli. So if your brain is now occupied by nonstop through various forms of stimulation, social media, video games, forms of television, that you can't even sit with yourself in silence, the predictable consequences of that are for you to not focus.

Of course, it's what you've trained yourself to do. You've become a digital slave. You're going to be miserable. you're going to go again into that same system that we've talked about today. They're going to give you a useless label. They're not going to solve it. They're going to give you a form of methamphetamine until, you know, that's a schedule new schedule to narcotic until you become dependent on that. Once you're dependent on that, they're going to label you that. Now you're depressed because, of course, you're addicted to a form of meth. Now they're going to put you on an SSRI, right?

You never really had ADHD. It was just an undiagnosed depression, right? All Could we eventually look back at mass SSRI prescribing and see it the same way we do opioid prescribing, something that medicine thought it had under control until it didn't? I think we look back at it as not medicine believing it had under control. It is a awareness that our doctors are not independent. So we believe that when we go in and we see that degree on the wall, we see those credentials, We believe it's an intelligent person who is independently minded, a critical thinker, and is on top of the literature. And instead, we see them as victims of propaganda, pharmaceutical sales, and a education that has been bought and sold by the pharmaceutical industry.

And we see them for who they are. They are extensions of that industry. So they are not thinking independently. They are just following orders. I think this mental health epidemic, the mental health crisis everybody talks about, I think it was completely self-induced. I think it's everybody's on these drugs

with literal side effects as inciting and depression and they are going through withdrawal and don't even know it because they don't even know that withdrawal is a actual thing that happens when you stop the drug incorrectly or switch drugs or whatever, like in Lindsay's case.

and then the screen time and all in that. That's just we weren't exactly what you're saying. We're not designed to also just the amount of information. We are not supposed to know every single thing going on at every second of the day all around the world. I mean, just all, there's so many things. I really feel like all of this could have been avoidable and it's also completely reversible. But yeah, people are so brainwashed. They don't want to hear this.

Yeah, thank you for the hopeful message. So today we are your alarm clock. It's going off. Wake up. This is not supposed to be comfortable. This is supposed to be challenging to all of us. To know your thoughts aren't your own, that is extremely, extremely uncomfortable because people believe they were free. They were sovereign. They're not. You really believe if you're drugging your children, it's child abuse. I do. And one thing that came to mind is, you know, the parent that's got a 14-year-old that's suicidal, claiming to be suicidal, really depressed. You know, they're put on an SSRI.

Do you think that that parent is allowing their child to be abused? Those are the challenging questions that I'm glad you're asking, right? And it has to fit with everything I've been able to communicate. You have a responsibility as a parent to, wake up past the indoctrination, you cannot hand over that responsibility to a credentialed medical professional. This is you, okay? And you need to understand that you have the power to tell them no. You have the power to not follow their recommendations because, listen, it is fear. It's the same thing when we saw with the madness with gender dysphoria and transgenderism. These doctors will say,

the same thing, fear of suicide or fear of untreated mental illness. So they're left with like no position. They're left with having to follow the medical directive here. And then in some cases, have even, they've been threatened for child protective services. I know you're out there. Contact me, parents, where a medical professional threatened to call child protective services if you did not follow their recommendations. I recently put a story back onto my ex-account because I met a gentleman who, you know, back in 2021 or 2022, was refusing the COVID vaccination.

And the doctor at that time said he was delusional and referred him to psychiatry. What? Yeah. So how does that look now? Whoa. Yeah. That guy should be all over the news.

But they can do that to us. How does a doctor, how does a psychiatrist, or a medical professional determine what is delusion when they're under a mass delusion. Yeah. You know, maybe I'll be a mean mom. But if my 14-year-old has, is telling me that they're experiencing, you know, severe depression, suicidal thoughts, all these things, the first thing I'm doing is taking that phone away. I bet that it would all clear up real quick. Sometimes I just feel like the answers are obvious. I don't know. Again, people are like, you're not a bear. You don't know. I understand that. I know in the moment it's probably very scary and very difficult. But I'm just saying,

Sometimes I feel like the answer is obvious. What's this kid eating all day? Are they just going to Taco Bell for lunch at school? You know, how much screen time? How often are they outside in nature? How often are you guys eating dinner as a family? You know, just like things like this. But people think that's like crazy, unfair, rude.

It's not. Yeah. I mean, you have to take a look at what you're prioritizing. And so we're in this unique place in our own human evolution where kids are exposed to all of this. So they go on to TikTok and they go on to all these various platforms. And people are threatening suicide as a way of describing their emotional states. In the work that I've done is when a teenager wants to go to a party or they want their curfew extended or there has been some natural consequence, we do see these extreme reactions because they've been reinforced and told that if you say that, you can, you know, well, then of course a loving parent is so scared.

If they could have a, you know, if they could be suicidal, then they should be able to go out with their friends or they should be able to have their phone. This stuff starts early, right? All of this starts really early. And we have to be careful about, you know, what they're being exposed to, both in public schools, when they're young. This was a predictable consequence for me is when you start handing toddlers an iPad to pacify them. Totally. Right? I think that's abuse to. If somebody is currently on an SSRI, they really want to get off. They do not want to go to a conventional doctor. In fact, their doctor's telling them, no, we just need to change your prescription or something else.

Where do they go to find a doctor who understands what you're talking about? Well, this is why we have to build alternative systems. And this is something that I'm going to do with Tracy Thurman is we're developing a media platform and a show where we bring other experts in these areas where we can have three, four hour conversations on how to respond to these situations. and we can work on building these alternative systems. And that ranges from health freedom and the health care system to the mental health system, the challenges with parents, but also financial freedom. If we asked the question earlier, are you okay with where your tax money is going? And is there in some way, do we have to take a moral stand if your hard-earned money

is being provided to a government that is used in anti-human, anti-human, anti-Christian agendas, right? Where do we stand up and say, this is our country? And you don't have that control. And no, I am not going to follow your central bank digital currency. No, you're not going to get to force something into my arm. No, I am a nurse and I'm not going to take your MRI flu vaccine that you just mandated. And we're done with your propaganda. And if you can't think critically, and if you're not awake yet. I'm not going to be part of your life. I'm not going to be part of your corporate health care system. I'm not going to be part of your business. We're going to come together and we're going to create something that is aligned with our values and aligned with who we are as children of God and

love and freedom. And we're not going to be feeding these algorithms anymore. And we're not going to be controlled by what you put on social media or the division or anything that has fed these social media platforms, has fed shows in the past. There are people out there who have way, way too much of a visible platform. They're not talented. All they do is contribute to fear and anxiety. They don't solve any problems in society. Can you feed that with your attention? And that's a commodity. That's what you're drawing attention to. We're creator beings. You're so powerful with where your attention goes. If you go to fear, if you go to darkness, don't be surprised when this is what's constantly brought back into your reality. Let's bring our attention into what really matters,

and that is creating new communities, creating alternatives. And if politics in any way is the answer, and we won't have some form of a representative democracy or republic, then those people who violated your trust, those people who went into offices because we believed that we're going to elect you for transformative change, and we still have the COVID vaccines on the schedule, and we still are pushing MRA technology, right? You are not serving the American public. You're part of a criminal organization. And so recognize that it's a criminal organization. And you don't negotiate with terrorists. Okay. So what about like a database, though, how do you find a doctor to help you taper off? Well, I have a right now, I have a nonprofit called the Conscious

clinician collective. Okay. And you can find that with a quick Google search and sign up for it. And it requires this type of attention. There has been a hesitancy for people to, even though they believe what I'm saying, but their masters in corporate health care, if they knew that they were on this, or if they acted outside of what those guidelines were, it would be a loss of job. So maybe this is the moment, right? Because I first got the idea the last time I spoke with you. And so if you go to the cccollective.org, you can sign up. And we can start building communities that way and just read the declaration. Like if you're a provider, you mean? You're a provider. And it's any health care provider, right? And it's any social worker or psychologist or therapist, naturopath, anyone who interacts

with somebody in health. Stand up. Raise your hand and say, now is my time. No longer. Am I going just to be prescribing chemicals and call it health care? I'm interested in understanding what the root causes of your health are. How do we solve that? How do we change their lifestyle? Functional medicine. Join. It's a movement, right?

You're using some form of science. Thank God. Some time to work with patients that's outside of the eight minutes that are people are getting in primary care. Put corporate medicine out of business. Do you help people taper off? Like, can people work with you? Or what do you do?

So God called me away from that. I just saw my last client in February, and God has asked me to create this platform. I've Center for Integrated Behavioral Health, which is the center I started, and we taper off there. Okay. Right. And we're going to try to grow that to be available in other states so you don't have to pay $25,000 to go see a psychiatrist to get off drugs. And that center, if they did want to go there, that's in Philly? It's outside of Philadelphia.

it's in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, but we are expanding for telehealth in different states. So that's got to be a goal, right? We have to be available in different states because you're still restricted by a system, right? You're restricted by your state license. You're restricted by who works out of there. And it's not easy to get a license in various states, right? I have a license to practice in one state. That's why so many people are trying to work outside of the system by taking on other

models like coaching models or consultant models. That's way I respect you and your freedom. You know I'm trained. You know I'm an MD. Someone's an MD or me. I'm a psychologist. But we're not acting underneath our license. But you have the ability to seek out consultation and support from people you trust. And state control of help is an issue. These are things we're going to address on our show, situations where state, my license has been investigated twice in the state of Pennsylvania. Luckily, I've won each one, clearly, because I can back up everything I'm saying. But just by getting on your podcast and just getting exposure, right, what is typical is

you'll be attacked as being anti-science, what are we here, these words, anti-science, anti-health care. Dangerous. I think was, you know, I think you brought that up last time. Like, you've been called dangerous. Well, the truth is dangerous, right? And I probably wasn't at a position. I didn't have necessary the courage yet to completely say back in 2023 when I was on your original podcast. I said, say what I needed to say now. Because I still couldn't believe it could be this bad. Yeah. It's just getting worse. Okay. Where can people find you online? The new website that's going to come out is radically genuine.com. Go to that. because that's a community we're going to build. That's where you're going to have exposure to

people who are going to have knowledge that you're not going to get by going into the standard care system. But again, as I said, it's much more than that, right? I asked you a lot of difficult questions, who's behind this? To me, it's all the same thing. It's an anti-life transhumanist agenda to enslave humanity. And it took me a long time to get to that. And a lot of conversations and a lot of private conversations with people who know this. And this is a time to raise the consciousness and awareness. So go to radically genuine.com. We're going to try to get that.

We're in the end stages of developing that. We've already started our interviews. So we'd love to have you as a community member sign up, at least get a free newsletter, right? If not, join our community because we're going to have our private conversations on this stuff, on these topics. We're going to share with you information that has been intentionally kept from you. you're doing a great job of that in your spectrum as well. And I have no doubt that we're going to

align in the future on various projects because that's what all of this is for. You can also follow me on Instagram at Radically Genuine. So help me there. Come out. I'll be much more active. And the team we just hired will allow us to be much more active, hopefully as active as you are, because you know that's the way to get information out. And you've just done an incredible job. follow me on X. I'm at Dr. McPhillen. Those are the three areas. You can follow me on Substack as well.

I'm a bestseller in health politics. But eventually I want to move everyone over to that forum. We're going to create documentaries, some long-form content. It's really important about education because this is the alarm clock. This is the time to awaken. And you know there's a censorship apparatus out there. been able to get anything going on YouTube. Oh, YouTube is like, so anytime I do a vaccine episode, it's always, it has to be on

Spotify video or audio only. It cannot go on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, it's a whole thing. So radically genuine will be on those platforms. Cool. I ask every guest this to end the show. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, it could be physically, emotionally,

or spiritually, what would it be? Everything is happening for you. Shift your consciousness. you are a divine spirit you're a soul who's temporarily inhabiting this body for this miraculous and amazing journey see it as that every challenge that comes in your path every time you struggle see that as god trying to get you back on the path to live the most joyous loving and creative life possible and resist all messages of fear provocation. If it's in fear, it is not real. It's part of the illusion. You're in somewhat of a game. Win the game. Win the game by being more loving, by being

more spiritual, by knowing who you are. Jesus had a lot of messages that aren't always, you know, mainstream Christianity because we have a way of outsourcing our power even there. But I think Jesus was saying, the kingdom of God is within you. And so the kingdom of heaven is within you. So we find that as a state of mind. And we understand that we are all interconnected. And so anything that interferes with that interconnection is part of the opponent's role in the spiritual realm. So once you rise above to a frequency of love, which is the most powerful healing energy in all of the universe, everything's going to change for you. If you're sad, this interview is over, you have to back and listen to our first interview. It was before my show changed its name, so it was on the spillover.

But all you have to do is search, Dr. Roger McPhillan on podcast apps, anywhere, Google, with Alex Clark, and the other interview will pop up. You can go back and listen to that one as well. Thank you for coming on Culture Apothecary. Thanks for having me. Just a reminder to everyone watching, do not abruptly stop a psychiatric medication based on anything you heard today. Talk with a qualified medical professional about your individual situation. New episodes come out every Monday and Thursday at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, anywhere you get your podcast. Please leave us a five-star review on Apple or Spotify to support the show. This episode is so crucial

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