Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - "Ancestral Diet, Sunshine, and Wise Traditions.” - With Hilda Labrada Gore

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

Host of the Wise Traditions podcast and member of the Weston A. Price foundation, Hilda Labrada Gore has invaluable knowledge on why eating nose to tail is the most politically INCORRECT thing you can do, why the sun is IN, why walking around barefoot in nature has scientifically proven health benefits and MORE. Join Alex as she interviews one of her favorite health and wellness podcast hosts! Follow Hilda on InstagramSubscribe to the Wise Traditions Podcast Visit the Weston A. Pric...

For decades, it's been ingrained in Americans that in order to be healthy, we would have to cut out major food groups or categories. Think the fat-free era, red meat is bad, cut out salt, only eat cholesterol-free, no carbs. But obviously, none of that seems to be working. There has been one organization since the beginning, though, that cut through the noise saying this isn't going to be politically correct, but you can eat it all. What matters is where it comes from. Who said that? The Weston A. Price Foundation. They believe in a return to the way our ancestors ate before big agriculture and giant corporations controlled our farms and grocery stores, eating seasonally, locally, a nutrient-dense diet. This is the way we ate before our nation

became riddled with illness. The Westin A Price Foundation is dedicated to restoring nutrient-dense foods to the human diet through education, research, and activism. They believe in accurate nutrition instruction, organic and biodynamic farming, pasture feeding of livestock, community supported farms, honest and informative labeling on our food products, prepared parenting and nurturing therapies, and specific goals include establishment of universal access to clean, certify raw milk. Let's go, baby, across the country. And they want an all-out ban on the use of soy formula for infants. Now, not today, but hopefully this season, I will dedicate an entire episode to the subject of baby formula alone. Today, though, we're talking to someone I love and admire so much from the

Weston A Price Foundation. She's certified by the Institute of Integrative Nutrition as a health coach. She hosts their top charting health and wellness podcast called Wise Traditions. If you have not jumped on the Wise Traditions train, welcome aboard. I am obsessed. It's one of my top three most listened to podcasts last year. She's going to teach us how to stay healthy and a toxic world. She's going to give clarity on which foods will truly nourish you and your family. How exactly to eat a nutrient dense and ancestral diet with easy, simple recipes and inexpensive grocery bills and something I'm personally excited for. I'm going to pick her brain on her favorite and least favorite wellness trends from the last year. You see, she interviews like

the coolest people in the health and wellness space every week. So she is just a wealth of knowledge on this subject. If you didn't know, every episode of The Spillover is available. to watch on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel. I have also seen an outpouring of five-star reviews the last few weeks. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. And if you've never left one, please do. That really helps the show immensely. Get your notebook out and welcome Hilda Labrata Gore to the spillover. I really don't fan girl much over my guests. I mean, everybody I have on this show, I handpick and I obviously admire them. But Hilda, your podcast has meant so much to me. I have recommended it to everyone I know.

Love it. That's amazing. I've learned so much from you. I just can't even tell you. Everybody's like, well, how do you know all this stuff, Alex? Mostly from Hilda. So what is your expertise for those who aren't familiar? And what do you cover on your podcast wise traditions?

So I started out in this field of alternative health as a fitness professional, actually, at first. So I just was all about training people to work out several times a week and stay strong. And I thought that's all it takes for wellness until I, I met Sally Fallon-Morrell and heard about the Weston A Price Foundation, which is a mouthful. And we'll get into what all that means. But basically, I realized there's so much more to health than just movement and even just than movement and nutrition. So that's why I go by holistic Hilda, because I like to explain that health is multifaceted. And we can approach it from a number of ways for optimal health.

You weren't always in good health, though. Tell us about the health issues that you had as a child that kind of really started your journey without you knowing. Absolutely. So my health journey starts before I was born, actually. My mother was, I would say she was nutrient deficient. She didn't have enough vitamin A. And when you don't have enough vitamin A in your diet, when you're expecting, it can lead to birth defects. And I was born with a birth defect. And actually, the doctor suspected that I would be before I was born and they told her, you should just not have this baby. And my mom was like, no, I'm going to have this baby. And I'm so grateful. needless to say that she did.

And when I was first born, there was nothing apparent to the naked eye. And then when the doctors listened to my heart, they detected a murmur. So they found a small hole in my heart between the lower two ventricles. And they monitored me over the course of a number of years. And they were like, if we don't perform open heart surgery, this kid isn't going to live very long. As a matter of fact, Alex, my parents don't have any baby pictures of me. I think because they thought I wasn't going to make it, actually. It's kind of sad to think about it.

I was like, was I going to be that quickly erased? But anyway, the truth is they love me very much. And when I was nine years old, I had open heart surgery. And after that, I was given a new lease on life. The doctors were like, you can do whatever you want. Before that, they were like, kind of got to be careful. We don't know how that hole is going to affect the oxygenation of your blood and all this. So after that, I could do whatever I wanted.

I was like, oh, my gosh, what I want to do? Well, the first thing I wanted to do, honestly, was to thank God. Because I felt like he spared my life. It could have been so much worse. I might not have even made it, right? So I wanted to thank God that was the first thing. And the second thing was I wanted to help other people to be as strong as possible, even as I wanted to be as strong as possible.

So I started working out and that's how I got into this whole thing. The really unique thing is that your podcast-wise traditions is produced by the West End A Price Foundation. So my podcast is produced by Turning Point USA. So that's how, you know, that's what that means when an organization produces your podcast. What is it that you believe in the Weston A Price Foundation believes about food and nutrition that is countercultural to the message that we have traditionally gotten about food in America. Okay. I want to start with a story.

So a dear friend of mine, when I was this gym rat, just working out all the time and helping other people stay strong as well, a dear friend of mine got chronic fatigue and actually started having issues with heavy metal toxicity and all these things. She just was spiraling down and conventional medicine had no answers for her. and she was the one that met Sally Falamerell at a health fair. And she said to me, Hilda, this woman is glowing with health. And she handed me her book, nourishing traditions. And she said, you would do well to listen and pay attention to this too. Because I thought it was all about working out. I didn't know nutrition had anything to do with good health.

And my friend at the time had been experimenting a little bit with diets. And she even started getting into macrobiotics. And literally her skin was the color of a carrot because she was. eating so many carrots. She was orange. And Sally, to her credit, never said, like, you're a little orange, my friend. She just said, read my book. So then my friend Lisa said, Hilda, you should read the book. And I was blown away. Alex, this isn't just a cookbook. It really is pointing to the wisdom of indigenous people groups around the world for nourishing ourselves well for optimal health. And so this is when I realized, oh my gosh, not only Sally Faluner-Marrell, but the whole Westonet Price Foundation is based on

healthy food and farming and the healing arts. And they're very much alternative to the conventional wisdom. Sally calls them the diet dictocrats. You know, the people that are trying to tell you, don't eat meat and eat crickets. And low fat is the way to go. And you would do well. Yes. You know, all that kind of stuff.

All those things. cholesterol is bad for you. And you're going to have a heart attack. That's a heart attack on a plate. And all these things are just words. they're not the truth. And so when I found nourishing tradition, Sally's book and the West Endate Price Foundation, I was like, I thought of that Bible verse that says, a city on a hill cannot be hidden.

Like the truth just shines like a beacon on a hillside. You know, I was like, oh, this is right. And so I didn't mind pivoting my whole family, which I had to do from like kick cereal in the morning or Quaker oatmeal with a little dinosaurs. I don't know how they did this. that. You know what I'm talking about the little candies in there? I mean, I was doing the best I could, and I would try not to put all the sugar in that oatmeal, but I was just not realizing how messed up it was. And so the wise traditions, I like to call the West Nade Price Foundation, the wise traditions kind of group, because that's easier on the tongue. But these wise traditions helped me nourish my family in a way I had never done before.

Alex, my kids used to come home from school and they'd be like, we want a snack. Okay, that's normal, right? you know, seven, nine. I mean, I have four kids. So it was like three, five, seven, and nine. They all wanted snacks all the time. I was like, okay, here you go. I'd give them an apple or something. And then they'd be like, we want another snack.

So I'd give them pretzels, you know, and we want another snack. And I was like, for my seventh snack, you know, why do you guys want so many snacks? And then I realized, oh, I was only giving them carbs. Like, they need protein and fat. They need foods that are nutrient dense. That's actually one of the key principles of the wise traditions diet is nutrient density. And we can get into all that. but I guess I'm just saying turning just a little bit, but actually it might have been a 180,

from the conventional wisdom of low fat and all that stuff to nourishing foods that have served humanity since the beginning of time was a win, win, win, my family's health went up, my kids stopped, you know, hassling me for snacks, and we were all so much happier. Well, exactly what you're describing was my life. So I was born in the 90s and grew up in a family primarily processed, food. What I was eating primarily only processed food until the last like year and a half two years when I totally was radicalized and changed my mind on all of this and then discovered Western A Price Foundation that has just solidified my views and taught me so much. So what you're describing

is like always needing to snack and like, well, my kids are always hungry. What are we supposed to eat on the go and all these things? Yes. It's so crazy because what Sally and what the Western A Prize Foundation have been talking about for decades is that if you eat these nutrients, you eat these and dense meals. You're not going to be hungry for these snacks constantly. And I was that kid. Goldfish, pretzels, teddy grams, luncheables, you know, Caprisons, Kool-Aid jams or whatever those were called. That was my entire diet. And yeah, always starving, always sick, always tired. No energy as a kid or an adult. Well, and the good news is groups like yours and the West Nade Price Foundation are getting this message out. And so, yeah, we were talking about kombucha. We were talking about fernments. We were talking about

Oregon meats, all these things. Bone broth. Before they came into Vogue. And now I go into a safeway and they're selling kombucha. And there's a little thing of bone broth. And I'm like, what's happening? No, it's the craziest thing because so I thought when I first discovered the Weston A Price Foundation, which was like six months ago, I discovered you guys. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. They must have been, you know, they must have came to be in the last couple years. Then I get nourishing tradition, Sally's cookbook. And I'm looking at, I'm like, what? This came out in, what, 2000 or something. And it literally says on the cover like this is your guide to what non-politically correct food or something. And I'm like, this woman is like so ahead of her time. I couldn't

believe it. And it was all bone broth and Oregon meats and everything that yeah is in vogue and that we're talking about now. You guys have been screaming from the rooftops. Exactly. But you know why people are paying attention now? It's because they've hit bottom. They're so sick and depressed and confused and anxious that they're like, what I'm doing right now isn't serving me. And that's what's kind of lifted up these ancient traditions. And to answer your question from earlier of how I started getting aligned with them, honestly, it's because they asked for a volunteer. This was about 2015. They said, who wants to go to Kenya for us to talk about wise traditions? And I was like, oh, I'll go. I mean, I was kind of new to them. They were like, all expenses paid. I was like,

Hey, I'll go. Heck yeah. But it was also fun because we weren't going just for the heck of it. A. A. Warrior had contacted the Weston A Price Foundation. And get this. He said, please send someone over. We're all getting sick. He said, I have diabetes. My wife has asthma. He had seen the physical degeneration not only in his own family, but of his tribe as they started to depart from their traditional ways. So he said, send someone over. He's like, I could talk to my tribe, but they're not going to listen to. to me and how people are. So I was like, okay, I'll go. And what was fun is I didn't go and say, eat the American way, God forbid. You know, I said, eat the way that has served you for millennia. You know, go back to your traditions. And I met people in this Maasai village, in this small town called Oythi on the border of Tanzania, who had like one foot in their old traditions and one foot in modernity. And what I mean by that is this. I was sitting in a warrior's home, is his name. He invited us there. I was sitting in Dixon's home and all the women of the village

had come to hear what I was going to say through a translator. They're wearing their traditional clothing, Alex, like all the beaded earrings and necklaces and their colorful garb. And one of the women I was talking to literally had a chai tea in one hand and a little cup. And in the other, she had a white bread jelly sandwich. And I was like, oh no, like you're wearing your traditional clothing, but you're leaving your traditional foods. And so I had slides and through a translator, I said, go back to what has served you well, which for them was meat and milk and blood. And I wasn't even guessing on that. I got to talk to a tribal elder when I was there. And this is what gave me the idea of the podcast, by the way. I met Dixon's, you know, elder and his tribe

who came to his hut or home. And I said to the man, can I ask you a few questions? I grabbed my cell phone. I hadn't even started the podcast yet. I hit voice memo. And I said, what did you eat as a child? How did you live? And he said, we ate whatever we could catch. So they were hunters, you know, and maybe some wild fruit or honey, but it was mostly the animals. And they ate nose to tail. And then I said, well, what did you do when you get sick? He said, we didn't get sick. He said, now they tell me, you know, oh, it's getting cold and you have to wear jacket. He said, we didn't wear jackets. And if we felt like a shiver coming on, we would just drink milk from the cow. And he demonstrated drinking straight from the utter. So he knew the wise traditions of his people. And honestly, when I left their town in

2015, they had a small church there and the pastor got up in front of the whole congregation. He said, starting today, the women will cook our traditional foods. And I was like, oh, they're going to be mad at me. I was like, oh, no. But then I found out they make their decisions by consensus. And some of the village elders had gotten together and said, we need to go back. And then I returned a year later with my husband and found that they had made some changes. You know, they used to drink or they started drinking sodas and including the white bread and they were moving back to the foods that serve their people well. So I love the whole wise traditions thing because they're calling us back to something before the 1950s. You know, it's something that is based on isolated indigenous people groups and what has served them well all over the world since the dawn of time.

Well, the 1950s is so problematic because that's when we started getting these like TV dinners and things. We started, you know, all these convenience foods and stuff. And then it took off obviously whenever women entered the workforce and then they were working. They didn't have time to prepare meals for their families. So then we, that's how we got here with all of this. And I think it's interesting you talking about, I really feel like we've hit rock bottom finally. And that's why people are all the sudden like, wait, tell me about raw milk and all this. Because you are so right.

So I'm a millennial. And I just read an article recently that said we are the wellness generation because we grew up 80s, 90s, primarily processed food. And we are all getting sick. And we're all looking to fix it and get back to peak health. And so we're all trying to ditch that entire lifestyle. And we're looking more into health and wellness. And we also are at the age now where we're out of college. We have established careers.

So we have money to spend on getting better. and all of that kind of stuff. So I think millennials in particular are gravitating towards the types of things that you talk about on your podcast. Have you noticed recently that a lot of young people are all of a sudden, like, watching your stuff? Oh, 100%. 100%.

Most of my followers are in exactly your demographic. And I'm so, so thankful. And I'm thinking, you know, that curiosity that you said the millennials have for like, how can we get better is exactly what drove Dr. Weston A. Price to begin his worldwide travels to discern what was going on even in his time. So the Weston A Price Foundation, if I can give a little backstory, was based on the work of Dr. Weston Price, who in the 1930s traveled the world

because he was a dentist and a researcher. He wrote many well-regarded medical papers and so forth. He was highly regarded, actually. And he noticed, though, in his clinic that the kids would come in and they would have a lot of cavities or crowded teeth or poor posture and poor vision and poor hearing. And he was like, what? is happening? Because at the same time as he was treating these kids in the clinic, he got National Geographic

magazine. And he would see these indigenous people with their good posture and their broad faces and smiles and their fertility and just their virility. And he's like, wow, I've got to find out if these people really exist around the world. And if they do, what are they eating? What are they doing that's promoting this healthy, optimal health kind of that I can see through the magazine images? So he and his why Florence went all over the world in 10 years. They went to Alaska and the South Sea Pacific Islands and Kenya and Switzerland and the outer Hebrides. Anyway, they went all over the place. And he carefully documented what he saw in his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. And if you get that book and literally just look at the pictures, it's enough because you will

see the pictures of the kind of optimal health that Dr. Price saw in the National Geographic magazine, the people with the broad faces and the good posture and room for all their teeth and their jaws and then you will see the people who are the next generation who have departed from their traditional foodways, their faces naturally got more narrow and they started to have more incidences of cavities and more health problems. So what I'm getting at is that's why Dixon called us to come over to Kenya, but also this was the inspiration for Sally to start the West and A Price Foundation because she thought, we've got to lift up what Dr. Price found so that people can return to that good health that is our birthright. What a cool person to do.

just have as a friend and mentor and Sally. Like I mean, I know, I bet you have amazing stories. How would you rate the dietary guidelines that we have gotten historically from the USDA? Oh, no. I mean, I mean, on a grading scale A to F. Oh, it's just total F. It's a total F. You know, the bottom of the pyramid, I know now they have the my plate thing, but for years it was this pyramid. It was all grains at the bottom. Why, that was to serve the big ag. It wasn't. to serve the people. They weren't thinking about our health and mind. And then the oils they were promoting were vegetable oils. Do you know those things are rancid? Like those aren't health promoting at all. And that's seed oils. Yes. Traditional peoples used lard and tallow and palm oil and

coconut oil, the saturated fats. And somehow, well, I know how it happened, but it's a long story, but somehow we were told to eat these other oils, which are looking all pretty on the supermarket shelves, all yellow. I used to go down the supermarket aisles, Alex, and I'd be like, gosh, which one should I get? I didn't know. Corn, canola, soy. Like, I was like, which one should I get? I'll just get the one that's on sale. I had no idea. And now I know that they deodorize, they colorize, they make those oils more palatable and better in appearance simply to appeal to you. Their bottom line is making money. But those are often like petroleum byproducts. They're not really foods that were meant to be ingested. They're full of toxins. So I'm so grateful to have met Sally and to see with my own two

eyes how healthy she is because she is living according to the wise traditions following these 11 principles at Dr. Price and the foundation put together as guidelines for our eating. And I mean, that gets an A plus plus plus plus plus and the food pyramid in my plate gets an F. I'm sorry. You also brought up how you kind of fell into that trap of if I just exercise enough, I will be healthy. But the thing is is that this is how big food covers up their entire scandal is they tell you, oh, it's not the food. There's nothing wrong with processed food. You're just not moving enough. You're not exercising enough. And so these people will be morbidly obese and they're exercising and they don't understand why can't I lose the weight. Why can't I lose the weight? But they are only

eating poison. And I don't blame. I don't blame the people at all because sometimes they think, oh, I've got no willpower. That's why I'm so heavy. If only I got to the gym more, it's not their fault. More addictive than cocaine, processed food. Yes, you know there's a book called the Dorito effect where they revealed that chemists are in the lab trying to make these hyper palatable foods on purpose. So when you can't just eat one, it's not because you have poor willpower. It's because they made them. They designed them that way to get you addicted. And some of them, I think, like the tachis or whatever that have a cheese flavor, confuse your body.

So you take a bite and you think, this tastes like cheese. So your body's thinking and getting signals like, okay, cheese, something that has vitamins. A, D, E, and K, and something that's going to really nourish me is good and it's coming, so keep it coming. So you're getting signals to keep eating because your body's confused about what it tastes and the difference between that and what it's really going to get. So the nutrient density never follows that, that the word in Spanish is enganio. Sorry, I'm just thinking in Spanish for a second.

But yeah, it's like your palate is deceiving. It's being deceived and then the body is not getting what it needs. So much of skin care is an inside out situation, meaning what we're eating has a lot to do with how our skin looks on the outside. Having the right skincare products for your skin type can work really beautifully along with your diet to give you the glowing skin. You deserve queen. I have loved using Neimi skincare for the past few years because they are conservative owned and their products really work for me as someone with severely dehydrated skin. Living in the literal desert doesn't help. I actually ran out of my Nimi hydrating moisturizer last week.

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just tack a little sunscreen on top of that. Go to neemiskincare.com use code Alex Clark for 10% off. That's neemyskinkare.com with code Alex Clark for 10% off or find everything in the show notes. Why is eating real food, not cutting out major food

groups, and not eating primarily processed food the most unpolitically correct thing you could do. What does that have to do with politics? The West and A Price Foundation, its mission is to empower people to have better health and food freedom so that they can live their best lives. And so freedom is always scary to those in power and the status quo. So if you can't control me because I'm growing my own food, I've got my own chickens. So I've got eggs galore and meat and bone broth and everything that I need.

right at my fingertips, that makes me a threat to you, right? So I think that's why it's somewhat political. There are industries that want you dependent on them because they want your money, basically. They don't care about your health. So they're like, keep it coming, keep buying the stuff that we're selling you, and we'll make it better and we'll put all the right things on the labels. The first wise tradition's principle is to not eat refined and denatured foods. In other words, if it comes in a package or a can, it's likely already lost some of its nutrient value. So the fresher the food, the better. You know, know your farmer.

Go to the farmer's market. There is a website called farmmatch.com that I use to find the farms around me that deliver right where I am. I get my milk, my meat, my eggs, my honey, my sourdough. I can get it all there or from the farmer's market. And see, I'm circumventing the main system. What area of the United States do you live if you don't mind me asking? I live in the Washington, D.C. area.

Okay. So see, people will find that interesting. They like to know that because they're like, well, I don't have this in my area or how do I do it? I live in the middle of nowhere. I live in a big city. How do I do it? Yeah, well, farm match is, I don't want to say they've got you covered for sure, but they will help you see what's around you. Also, the Weston A Price Foundation has chapters. So little pockets of people all around the U.S. and the world, actually, their only job is to help you find real food in your area because we're that committed to having people kind of opt out of the system. The more we do that, the more empowered

we're going to be. All right. So let's get down to business. Okay. What is? What is, is an ancestral diet. Oh, that's a very good question. Because it varied all around the world. When Dr. Price went to Kenya, for example, as I said, they were eating meat and drinking blood and raw milk. When he went to Switzerland, it was like mostly butter and dairy products. In Alaska, it was whale blubber and seal oil and fish, you know? So it's like, what is an ancestral diet? It has to be local and it has to be naturally kind of organic and yeah I think mostly local and organic really and available in your area and seasonal yeah seasonal absolutely because that's when it's going to be freshest and your body will recognize it as food um I have so many different thoughts in my head because

I love the West Ney Price Foundation I make their podcast but I also have traveled the world some on my own and done some of my own digging. And I've done some of my own interviews also on my YouTube channel. And what I've learned is there can be like a, tell me if this is too deep, actually. You could tell me if you're too deep. I'm into it. Okay. There can be kind of a biological mismatch if you eat food that's not from your region. I love this. You do? Yes. Okay. So let me explain. So when Dr. Price traveled the world in the 1930s, he kind of didn't see what was right in front of his face in this one regard. So he was like, okay, everybody's eating whole real foods that are right from there. That's great.

Also, people were mostly naked. They were getting a lot of sunshine, which is also good. But he didn't, there wasn't that much imported food. So when he met these indigenous people who were isolated from the modern world, they weren't getting, let's say, pineapple in Scotland, right? Because it doesn't grow there. So he couldn't see what would happen if people had this biological mismatch. If I get food from a part of the world, longitude and latitude, latitude, where I don't live, it will be deleterious to me because it's not the same light information.

So, not to get too much into the weeds, but let me just say. So the sun feeds us too. It's like a big multivitamin in the sky. So we get nourishment from the sun in ways that are hard for us to understand because I just don't think we experience it. So I think we need to get out more to experience and understand that the full spectrum of light is really beneficial for our hormonal function, for our metabolism, for all these things. And I think one reason, honestly, Alex, people are so depressed and anxious is because they're not outside enough. Our ancestors spent three quarters of their day outside and we do the opposite.

We spend three quarters of our day, if not seven, eights, inside, you know, under artificial lighting and stuff. Under artificial lighting. So, and you think some of that sunlight kind of goes into that regional. food or how does that tie into the eating seasonally? So the light goes into the plants and the produce that grows right where you live, let's say, and maybe even the grass, right? It does go into the grass. And then a cow comes along and it eats the grass.

And then we eat the cow or we eat the produce. And so that's all the right light information from those things that we ate. Some people say we're light eaters. So if that makes sense. But if I live in D.C., which I do, and I get up. pineapple and don't get me wrong, I like pineapple and banana. So people are going to think like, well, why would it be bad to eat these things if they're not from my region because they're still healthy foods?

Well, yes and no. So it is a whole real food. It's better than pineapple chips, let's say, right? Or chips in a bag with who knows what preservatives in them, you know? So it is better in that sense, but it's healthier for you to eat what grows right where you are. That's basically it. It kind of has to do with quantum health. health. I've read this book called the mitochondriac manifesto, and they talk a lot about light and health.

And they say that are at a cellular level, the mitochondria, get more energy, two thirds from the environment and only one third from food. So we really should be paying attention just as much to our light environment and how much time we spend outdoors as we do to the food that we take into our bodies. I do think, without getting into the weeds, think about your own light environment in addition to the food that you eat. Maybe don't go that far about the pineapple and the banana. If you like those, that's okay. I do like them too.

But I try to pay attention to where I live and get food that's as local and as nourishing as possible. And like I said, the first principle of the wise traditions diet is no denatured or refined foods. So you're trying to avoid the packages and get single ingredient foods,

more of those into your diet. And it's not hard. And it's not expensive. I know some people say, oh my gosh, is budget busting, you know. Yeah, here's the thing. Is it actually realistic for somebody to be able to eat this way on a budget?

100%. This is what you have to think. It's an investment in your health. It's worth it. So drop the Hulu subscription, you know, drop some things in favor of your health. It's worth it. Joel Salatin is one of my favorite farmers and a good friend of mine. He lives in Swoop, Virginia, and he's got his Pollyface Farm.

And he always says, people will complain to me. I can't afford this food. He goes, but then they go and buy, let's say, five bags of potato chips. He goes, you could buy potatoes for cheaper than the bags of potato chips. Do you see what I'm saying? So make your own potato chips in lard, and it's going to taste amazing, and you'll eat fewer because it's really going to satisfy you. So it's a matter of where you spend your money.

But think about investing in your health. You know, in Europe, they spend more on their food and less on health care. And the U.S., we have it the other way around. We spend more on health care and less on our food. And I think there's a correlation there. So I spend more on my food. My food budget is really quite extensive. But the benefit is I have no doctor bills.

I honestly have no doctor bills. And the thing about eating with ancestral diet and eating seasonally too is you don't have to, like what you were saying, you don't have to go so far as you never eat a pineapple because you don't live in Hawaii. Exactly. But looking at the months of the year, I know that now we have grocery stores. So we can get any food we want any day. but looking up what is actually in season for, you know, right now we're in January, what is in season for January?

And then this month sticking to those vegetables or those fruits for your family. And so one, people are always like so hung up on, I get in a rut. I don't know how to make my recipes different. My family's getting tired of eating the same things. I don't know how to spice it up. And I'm like, you could literally spice it up month by month and be like, hey, this month, we're doing a lot of things with asparagus because that's what's in season. and the next month it'll be radishes or whatever, but you can eat seasonally like that,

and there will be variation. Yeah, and you don't have to eat what you don't like. You can literally go to the farmer's market and pick up the things that are in season, and that's what you'll find there. Although even there you have to be on your toes. I don't know if you know, Alex, but sometimes people will bring, let's say,

tomatoes from Costco and sell them as if they're from a farm. Yes, we just learned this with my J. Richards episode last month, blew my mind that there is a black market for vegetables. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. So that's why AHA is completely right when he says, No, your farmer, you know, shake the hand that feeds you. So I do try to get my food, like I said, from these local farms that I know and trust and that I've been to. My husband and I had the privilege of going to a farm in Pennsylvania where we get our food from, from an Amish farm. And we pulled up and this little boy was literally churning our ice cream.

And I was like, oh my gosh. So it's also really, really inspirational. So you are the mom who decided to change your life, get rid of the processed food and the processed snacks. You had four kids and you experience telling your family, we're going to change how we're eating now. So for my audience, how do you take a family kids who are used to that diet full of artificial sugar and corn syrup and everything and say, oh, now we're not going to eat this anymore because, you know, I imagine that's going to cause a lot of fights. Well, I don't remember making a big announcement. And so that's the key is that you sneak it in. Well, and honestly, I was not the best cook. I joke around that I gave my kids the stick diet.

It was like carrot sticks, fish sticks, pretzel sticks. Like, it was all sticks. I was like, here, just whatever. I thought it didn't matter, you know. But when I realized it did, they were happy because I was suddenly giving them food that really satisfied, you know. And then I guess the other thing is we did small, or as my friend Corey Dunn says, simple swaps. So instead of, let's say, I don't even know, using like Oscar Meyer bacon at the table, we'd get bacon from the farmer and we'd have BLTs for dinner. What could be simpler?

We get sourdough bread, bacon. Everybody loves this, right? Tomatoes from the farm or whatever. And then we would have, we would do raw milk, like vanilla smoothies. And it was so amazingly delicious with some honey in it and maybe a little vanilla extract. And my kids loved it. See, I always try to say this because when I talk about eating healthier, I don't know why, but I think everybody. thinks that that means it's going to be harder.

No. Harder as in more complicated. Maybe it's not as convenient as putting a pop tart in a toaster because you do need to make bacon and eggs. But the recipes themselves, because I said the other day, I couldn't believe that. I posted on my story, all I was doing was making like green beans and I don't know, something else seasoning and chicken breasts in the oven. I had all these messages from people saying like, well, that's it.

I thought it would be harder than that. I'm like, no, it's not hard. It can be very simple, literally a meat. And, you know, talk about, like, what an ideal plate looks like for an ancestral diet. The Westonay Price Foundation does not advocate for any kind of a deprivation kind of diet. You know, the first three letters of diet are D.I. Die. So I never like that anyway. So everything's on the table.

I used to think they were high protein, but they actually recommend a good amount of fat. That's one of the dietary principles, more fat. So it's super satiating. It's great for your cognitive function and all the things. So we have, I would say, a good cut of meat, maybe some organ meats if you're willing to go there. I mean, of course, those are the most nutrient dense liver is the real superfood, not kale or asai berries. But anyway, so a good cut of meat and a fresh salad. I mean, just like what you've seen before, it doesn't have to be complicated, at least my table.

And healthy fats are avocado, right? No. Yes, I mean, avocado is good. But I think that's a more modern fat. Okay. The more traditional fats are large. which comes from the pig and tallow, which comes from the cow,

coconut oil and palm oil. Those are the saturated fats. Okay, so it's not something that goes on your plate by itself. It's like what you're cooking in. Yes, yes. Or like the meat already has the fat, so eat the fat.

You know, in the Bible, like they're like, happy is the home. This is a misquote totally from Proverbs, but you know, with fat on the table, like you want fat, right? But we were told the opposite. It's so crazy. And I do think in part

the reason there is an anti-meat, agenda is because the less meat we eat, the less leadership qualities and critical thinking we will exhibit. There have been studies that point to that. So we really need to up. I would up meat consumption. I wouldn't lower it. You know, that's also better for your muscles.

The more protein, the stronger you will be. I, especially as I've gotten older, too, I'm just like kind of bring on the meat and forget the other stuff. It's kind of just a little extra on the side. You know, that's not the nutrient dense bit you're going to get. What Dr. Price noted, and the third principle of the wise traditions diet is nutrient density. He literally got samples, Alex, from all the different places he went, and he sent them back to his lab, samples of the food of the people in these indigenous cultures.

And they were four times higher in water soluble vitamins and mineral content. And 10 times higher and fat soluble vitamins like A, D, E, and K. What that meant was compared to the U.S. diet of his time, it was way better. And that was in the 1930s. You can only imagine now when everything we buy is packaged and processed. And, you know, you go to Chick-fil-A and you're like, well, I like their philosophy. I mean, they're wonderful. But their chicken has like 16 ingredients in it.

It's not just chicken with a little bread coating. And I don't know what oils they're using there either. So I think it's soybean. Yeah, it's unfortunate. So what we need to do is take our health back. I used to buy a rotisserie chicken from Whole Foods because I was like, I don't know how to do this. And then I realized, oh, you buy the chicken. You put it in the oven with some butter and spices.

And it comes out just as good. So this is how you can do it on a budget is kind of roll up your sleeves a little bit. Learn from, you know, Sally Falamerell's cookbook or my friend Hillary Boynton has one. I think it's called the Hill Your Gut cookbook. And just kind of roll up your sleeves and just try like a recipe a week or something. It also takes less time than calling DoorDash and waiting for the food to come. You can whip up a quick, you know, egg frittata with some potatoes or we often do meat and a little side salad for dinner. It doesn't take that much time to cook up a work job.

And it's delicious, especially when you get it from a farmer that you know is doing it right. That means that the animals aren't getting all injected up and the animals aren't eating a diet of corn and soy, but they're rotationally grazing. And this might seem like a super high calling. But I will tell you this. When I made the shift from my family, I only did it very gradually. So I did like a year, a year at a time for a change. So it'd be like the year of butter, the year of less chips. the year of this or that.

So I took my time and maybe that's why my family got into it. And my son was always a little resistant. He would look in the fridge and he's like, is that happy cow milk, mom? Because that was the raw milk. We called it happy cow milk. He did not want the raw milk because it tasted a little different than the pasteurized. But that is a real food compared to the dead food, which is pasteurized milk. Yeah, I like that dead food.

Maybe that's what we should be saying. Maybe creating that stigma around processed food instead of saying processed or commodified food, saying it's dead. Yes, that's exactly a great way to look at it. So what are some tips for how moms should be grocery shopping logistically? Like when it comes to transforming the way your family eats, do you recommend meal planning? Do you say just go get a bunch of local meat, keep that in your freezer and then only go and get like little sides and things during the week? Or how do you, what's your recommendation?

Oh, that's a good question. I think I would just start by keeping it simple and, yeah, buying a lot of meat. if you can go organic, that's great. If you can't just get it from the grocery store. You know, I understand that times are tough and it's not always easy to get everything that you dream of. But yeah, get a lot of meat and then just improvise with the little side things. Get some carrots from the farmer's market. Chop them up and add butter.

Butter makes everything better. And it's such a good fat. It's like so needed. And this is the funny thing too. Alex, you were talking about like the dieticocrats and why are they against all these things. they kind of have turned slowly to admit that butter is good. I'll never forget in the 90s when on Time magazine on the cover it said, butter is back.

And I was like, finally, you know. As Sally puts it, she says, modern science is catching up to traditional wisdom. I'm like, she's right.

So they'll figure it out sooner or later. But I want for your listeners and for my followers and all the people that I know to figure it out sooner rather than later, don't get intimidated. You don't have to be an amazing chef. As a friend of mine says, simplicity is gourmet, just get some meat on that plate with some good fat and experiment around with what your family likes. If they like raw milk and whole fat, that's great. If they like

butter, slather everything with butter. And it's just going to be, it's going to be amazing. Watch what happens even to your own blood sugar level. So I used to teach cardio classes like four times a week. And like I said, I was really into it all. And in the middle of teaching a class, I would feel my blood sugar dip. And I would be like, oh my gosh, I need a power bar. Like I just need something to lift it back up again. And I thought, I guess I'm just one of those people. I need to graze until I started eating more of the wise traditions way, meaning I didn't have cereal for breakfast.

Instead, I had like eggs and bacon or yogurt or oatmeal. And then I could sail through my classes. It made a huge, huge difference. So I always say, don't take my word for it. Experiment yourself and see what changes you notice. And the same thing with sunlight. If I can digress again to the sun, I just, I love it so much. as I've traveled the world, all the people groups I've met with, literally, I think, in every

country, get up with the sun. Like, they don't have a lot of electricity in some of these communities. And so when the sun rises, they do too. And so this is so good for their circadian rhythm, for their mental health, for their metabolism, for their hormonal health, for better sleep. And so I became convinced, I want to live that way too. And I used to be a full-fledged night owl. So this is a small change I made. I started getting up with a morning sun. was like, where have you been on my life? I never looked back and I've never been more energetic or feeling as strong and as good as I do now.

The sun is making a big difference in my life too. Okay, you know what trend I'm obsessed with? And I will ask you, towards the end, I'm going to ask you about your favorite trends from wellness trends from 2020, or 2023 that you're bringing into 2024 and the ones that you don't like that were like, this was a waste of time and stupid. But one of my favorite things, and I've noticed, it's not happening a lot. But a few people that are always really on the top of trends are doing is they are turning off all the big lights and artificial lights in their house once the sun sets. And they're just using candles or red lights or beeswax candles.

Have you seen this? Yeah. Well, I have. But also, I brought my blue blockers and I was like, maybe I should pop them on toward the end of our thing. And I can be like, that's trending. I can put that on. Can I do that? You can do whatever you want.

I didn't interview last summer with a woman who, she is a company called tech wellness. I mean, and it's just, I think I've heard of it. Everything. Oh my gosh, you have got to interview her. Yes.

Like how to wire your home so you're not using wireless. EMF blocker. She sells special headphones like earbud headphones that are called air tube headphones. Yes, I sell those too. You do? Yeah. Okay. You have to talk to this girl.

I should. She, you guys would get along. Yeah, so I am so into all of the EMF stuff, you know, taking, I turn off my whole Wi-Fi at night. Good. All of that. I love it. So, okay, here's the other thing, too. And then I'm going to ask you about you have some special tips on eating an ancestral diet that I want you to list.

Yeah. But before we move on from that, just because we're in the, we're talking about grocery shopping tips, how would you recommend a mother pack a lunch for her kid based on these guidelines? It's hard because you don't want to be the. having the kid trade their lunch for somebody else's luncheables, right? So you want to do something that they like. This is a secret, I would say, is get the kid involved. Find out what they like so that you're not packing something and they're trading it away. So that's the first thing.

And if they enjoy like bone broth, put it in a little thermos. Like I've seen a lot of moms use the little bento boxes to include like cheese and meat and things that are going to be tasty. And don't be afraid of sweets too. Like I said, the wise traditions diet includes sweets. They're just made with honey and maple sugar, like natural, more natural ingredients. You don't have to be like, I can never eat a brownie. Oh, yes, you can.

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That's Alevia.com with code Alex 15 for 15% off. or click the link in the description. Okay, so tell us these, it's six tips. I have six ancestral secrets because I love alliteration. That's why I go by Holistic Hilda. I have six ancestral secrets that I've kind of put together through the course of traveling and kind of following in Dr. Price's footsteps. The first is the sun.

Really, it is a multivitamin. Don't sell that short. I used to teach exercise classes. And if I spent 15 minutes outside each day, that was the most it was. Why? Because I would get my kids ready for school. I'd drop them off. I'd run into the gym. I'd teach my class. I'd go buy groceries. You see what I mean? It was between the car and the place I was going that I was outside. Now I know early morning sun is great to

get your cortisol going, to wake you up. And then if you actually see the sunset, that's good for helping your body wind down. Like, it's amazing. So get outside at least 15 minutes a day. Instead of a smoke break, take a sun break and get outside. Oh, that's a cute idea. Right. I'm going to tell everybody at Turning Point to start doing that. You know, I think this is all, kind of shocking information because definitely for my generation, we grew up, sun is bad, skin cancer, always sunscreen, cover your entire body, you know, never be out in the sun. So now I'm seeing this trend in the health and wellness space of like, no, sun is great. We need more of it.

And also sunscreen is not great? What is there a happy medium or is it truly just like no unfiltered sun? Like what do you say about like all the skin cancer stuff and sunscreen? What I'm going to say is controversial, but you don't mind that, right? I don't mind. Okay. Well, what I think is we need the sun to power up the mitochondria in our body, the little engines in ourselves. So we need it so desperately. We should put nothing between us and the sun if we can help it. So the less clothes you wear in the sun, the better. If you can even, it depends on how much privacy you have. But you know what I mean? Like go around like a little. If you've got a private yard, sunbathe nude. Exactly. Get in your garden and have some fun. Think about Adam and Eve, you know. But the other thing is, I would rather be the engine and the body that's running strong as I get older as opposed to looking good. So I'm not saying it has to be a tradeoff.

I mean, I want to look as good as the next person. But I read in this book, The Mitochondriac manifesto, that let's say you buy a car today and you put a little tarp over it and just leave it sitting in your driveway for 10 years. And then you take the tarp off of it. That car is going to look amazing. But it's not going to run well. Why? Because it wasn't out and about. So that's what we do.

When we cover ourselves with sunscreen or avoid the sun, we're kind of limiting the energy that are mitochondria get. And you really want them to have all the energy they can. Like I said earlier, they get two thirds of the energy from their environment and just one third from the food that you eat. So you really, really, really need that sunshine. And everywhere I've gone, the healthiest people are tawny in terms of their skin. But they look great. They look vibrant. They look beautiful.

They're not like sitting there thinking, oh, no, I've got one more crow's feet. Who cares? Yeah. You're running on optimal energy now. And that's how I want to be. I want to be beautiful from the inside out. And two other things with the sun stuff. One, if you're going to, if you really want to wear sunscreen, it's very important to look at the ingredients because the problem is we're putting this sunscreen on thinking that it's keeping us safe and protecting us.

But a lot of it has cancer causing ingredients literally in the thing that it's supposed to be preventing cancer. And if you don't believe me, look, there was a ton of recall on popular sunscreens that you get at every grocery store and drugstore just last summer. So, you know, that's one thing I think people need to look at. The other thing is they can do a deep dive, but, you know, looking into eliminating, when you start eliminating seed oils, people start noticing they burn less. Yes. And there's also like, you know, certain types of clothing. If you are somebody that's prone to burn, one, I think you'll burn less if you start

changing your diet in that way, but also wearing like white linen and things. Like that's kind of like a stereotype of like yacht people. But, you know, that's good clothing that still allows the sun to penetrate. It also protects you from like if the sun rays are too strong or you're vacationing somewhere that you're not used to the sunlight there. You know, I'm so used to Phoenix now. I have the most extreme sun all the time. I can lay out and not burn. But if you're never here and it's summer, you probably need to, you know, slowly kind of acclimate.

Yes, you can build up your solar callous, as they say. So don't go out tomorrow all naked for the whole day and then blame me for your troubles. But the other thing is we actually did a wise traditions podcast with Elizabeth Plurid on this topic. and I think we called it, is it the sun to blame or is it the sunscreen? Because people are getting more and more skin cancer and they didn't use to get it as much as they are now. So actually, it's co-related the incidence of skin cancer with the rise of the use of sunscreen. It's the opposite of what you would expect. So I suggest that people do exactly, as you say, pay attention to the ingredients in those things

and consider protecting themselves from the inside out with the right diet, as you mentioned. Okay, so what is your second ancestral secret? Okay, so the first one is sun. The second one is shivers because we need to expose ourselves to the elements more. Now, this is controversial for me, Hilda, because I hate the cold. No, that's why I love living in Phoenix. Except this week that you're here. It is unseasonably cold.

But normally, I mean, it's pool weather all year. Yeah, isn't that funny? But everywhere I go, including like Mongolia, I was there last fall. And the people, now they're not outside in a tank and shorts, but they're constantly facing the elements. And when you do that, Alex, your mitochondria have to work. So they're staying strong that way too. It's like you're exercising them, not just through getting the beneficial sun raises, as I mentioned before, but by forcing them to build your body heat and protect you. So I love it.

And I'm a Latina. I shouldn't be in the cold either. But I started jumping in ice holes about five years ago because I interviewed this guy, Thadias Owen. And he's on the podcast that we called Biohacking Your Health, I think, or biohacking our health. And he said, we're far too comfortable. He said, in the winter, we heat our homes to 70 degrees. In the summer, we cool them to 70 degrees. So we're always like this.

And some people say this is one reason we're getting sick, too, because our mitochondria have gotten lazy. So they need the cold, too, to kind of shock them into activity. But when you get cold, your body builds brown fat, which burns more body fat. You boost your metabolism. It improves your cognitive function. It's good for the circulatory system. I mean, I could go on and on and on about the cold.

But it really is good for you. And if nothing else, it's kind of building your mental resilience because then you're like, okay, if I can do this, if I can walk outside for 30 minutes as I did this morning at 33 degrees, I'm like, okay, I'm doing all right. I'm going to make it. You know, it's really kind of fun. It's like a small win that helps you get ready for the next challenge you might face. Sun, shivers, sleep. I was going to ask you your sleep secrets, some really, really good wellness things that you've learned throughout the years when it comes to sleep. Yeah, yeah. I have some tips here because it's something even as a health coach and a fitness professional I used to shortchange myself on. I was like in one of those, I'll sleep when I'm dead kind of thing. I'll just stay up late. Why? Because I put the kids to bed and I was like, now's my chance to get some things done. And I would either get on emails or start doing the laundry. And so, yeah, my first tip is you can't really catch up on sleep. People think I'll catch up on the weekend. So don't shortchange yourself. If you start getting the morning sun, of course. you're going to get tired earlier. So it all fits together. So do what you can to wind down at night. I personally use blue blockers.

I'll just pop them on now because why not? Because here we are in the studio. And I'm sure the sun has already set. Oh, yeah. So what I'm doing is I'm blocking the blue light from hitting my pineal gland because when I get the blue light, my body thinks, oh, it's the middle of the day. And I'll get that boost of cortisol. And I'll start, you know, getting active again.

People call it a second win when they're on emails or whatever. They're like, oh, I guess I can stay up later or they're watching TV. Of course you can because the artificial light is affecting your brain. And then that signals your body that it's a different time of day and it gets all confused. And then when you do get in bed, you can't always fall asleep right away because it's stimulating, right? So either wear blue blockers or change your incandescent bulbs at home to red. Your neighbors will wonder what's going on. They will wonder what's going on.

But it's okay, you know. So some other people that I like in the health and wellness space, they've talked about how the lamps on their bedside tables, they switch those out to red light bulbs so that when all the big lights are off in their house, they just pop those on and then that helps you get sleepy and wind down. Yeah, it really does help. And I would say get off devices too a couple hours before bed. That might sound crazy. You might be like, all I want to do is like watch my favorite show right now. But if you try it, you're going to get to bed sooner if you stop watching your shows, for example. and you're going to have more restorative sleep.

Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride, who I've also had on the podcast, she's known well in the Gaps world. Have you heard of her? I'll tell you more about her later. But anyway, she's amazing. And she actually says you should get to bed no later than 10 o'clock. I agree. Yeah.

And you know what? Help me realize that is this, I have the aura ring. Yes. Obsessed with this. I love it too. And this kind of, it tells you what your body's clock is and then what your ideal bedtime window is. And yeah, it's always right before 10.

Pretty much around 10 is when I need to be going to bed. So sometimes you feel like a little granny. You're like, oh, no, why am I going to bed so early? But it feels so good and then you're more energetic. And then you don't need coffee and you don't have that like mid-afternoon slump in the middle of the day. Like it's just sleep is so, so, so important. And again, where I've traveled, I've seen the people go to bed again when the sun goes down. You know, they're very much in tune with nature's rhythms.

And it's so fabulous for your health. Yeah, it's been fantastic. So we've got sun, shivers, sleep. Sustinance is the fourth one, which, of course, I base the way I feed my family, and I recommend everyone follow the wise traditions principles. And if you don't know where to start, just start with number one, eating fewer packaged and denatured foods. And number two is eating nose to tail.

If you're afraid of including animal products, get this. When Dr. Price traveled the world, he was like hoping he would find plant-based cultures. He didn't find one. And he said it was his greatest disappointment. He really thought he would find people who didn't eat animal products and they all did. That is so juicy. I know. I love that.

I did not know that. Yep. Yep. He was surprised. He was surprised himself. But now in some places where, let's say animal meat was hard to come by, they would improvise with insects and such. But on the whole, if people could get a hold of an animal, you know they would be eating it.

as Paul Saladino, the carnivore MD says, like they're not celebrating that they harvested a carrot. They're celebrating when they got to kill. So what do you think about somebody like that? Like what do you think about the carnivore diet? Because that's so trendy. I mean, that would be against really the Western A Price method of eating everything because they do say cut out certain food groups basically, right?

They do. But I don't feel oppositional with them at all. I love them. I feel they're on the right track. What they're doing, honestly, Alex, is a type of elimination diet. They're like, my gut can't handle grains. It can't handle some of them say dairy or the oxalates and vegetables. Well, good for them.

Then they found what works. And I'm not surprised that it's animal products. You know, it's mostly meat and maybe eggs and butter or something. Do you think that most of the people in the United States that are like gluten-free, they think they have a gluten problem? It's really just the glyphosate on our bread. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Yep. And one of the other principles of the wise tritians diet is to prepare. seeds and grains properly and nuts, yeah, seeds, grains, nuts and beans to prepare them properly. And what that means is you do need to soak. You do need to soak grains so that the anti-nutrients that are kind of protecting the, I forget what it's called right now, but anyway, so that the anti-nutrients can be neutralized and that you can better absorb the nutrients from the grains. So the reason people have a hard time with gluten is actually because we've hybridized and changed the wheat product. You know, the original ancient grains weren't as hard on the gut, but also

people knew how to prepare them properly. So that's why sourdough is the bread that we usually recommend because that means it's gone through a fermentation process. That's why everybody is so confused on like, what is the deal with sourdough? I'm so sick of seeing all this stuff about sourdough. And I'm like, because it's the best. It would be the most nutrient dense type of bread. Yes, that's what we think. Absolutely. And I mean, imagine if you also got like an ancient grain like Eyncorn and you had sourdough Eyncorn. It's like all the things. you know. So, but you just do the best you can wherever you can.

So we recommend sourdough. We recommend soaking beans. The reason people often have digestive discomfort when they have beans is because they haven't been properly prepared and soaked and overnight, which is what traditional people groups would do. So you don't like beans that come from the can. You would say buy the ones that are in the bag and then do the soaking. Or you can get them from a brand called Jovial, I think it is.

Yes. Where they've already done the soaking for you. Oh. And I think to your health. also is a company that does some of that. So I get it, that that seems like a lot of work. This is actually one reason I don't have a lot of beans because I'm like, I'm not going to soak those.

But soaking isn't as hard as you think. Also, it's just literally a process that happens overnight. I've done it with oats when I wanted to make a role for my family. So there are ways to incorporate some of these rhythms. But so what if you did that, for example, instead of watching your favorite show at night? You know, like do it by red light or with your blue blockers on. It's more productive and it's really nourishing. So that's the sustenance part.

Yeah, sustenance. We're right near the end. So after sustenance, I talk about strength because we do need to move. So I was kind of on the right track back in the day when I was just teaching fitness classes. Like obviously, a lot of our lives now are sedentary. We spend a lot of time on devices, even children, unfortunately. So to get outside, to get moving is really important. Our bodies were made to move.

And with languages, people always say use it or lose it. It's the same with our bodies. If you don't move them, you're going to lose that mobility. So that is my, admittedly, that is my biggest hurdle. I actually don't like working out at all, at all. I grew up in a very sedentary home, and I am very sedentary. But what do you like? Do you like dancing?

Do you like paddleboarding? None of it. So I have to train myself to, I have to really, really get myself encouraged with a group of friends that is into doing that. I had a friend today asked me, she's like, Alex, do you want to go up north to Flagstaff, northern Arizona? people don't know this, but like in Arizona, you have every climate within the same state if you just go to different areas. So up north, like an hour and a half north, it's snow and you can ski. So she was like, do you want to go skiing with us?

I've only been skiing once my life when I was eight. But I was like, yes, because they're encouraging me and they're going to do it. And I'm like, so then I'll go outside. But me, if I had the choice, you know, I would be somebody that's always indoors. I'm an indoor cat, baby. So that's me. So that's my challenge. You know, where some people are like my challenge is giving up the processed food.

I have a challenge too. It's not like it all comes easy to me. No. And so I have to be really aware of that and really push myself. Yeah, yeah. And I wonder if there's a way you can do it that will be joyful and not just like gritting your teeth and bearing it. Well, I want to try Pilates. That's like something I've done Pure Bar before.

I would say that's like I can handle that. You know, I'm not a cardio person. I'm not going to be out there running. But so it's trying new different classes and things too and seeing like what do I enjoy the most, you know? Yeah, absolutely. One of my daughters recently signed up for a, a. membership at a gym that's all boxing. And she's like, I'm just doing it, mom, just for fun. I was like, that's awesome. So I think if you could find something that you love, that would be,

that would be great. And maybe walking is enough too, Alex. You know, I think sometimes women think we have to be, you know, as buff as the latest, you know, bodybuilder guy that we follow on Instagram. It's like, no, we can just be strong and resilient, but we don't have to be like all cut like that. Well, it's also just biologically, I've learned this recently, that us trying to work out like men and get it, you know, six-pack abs and stuff also might be really, really hurting our health as women. So just the way that we work out should look totally different than a man. And, you know, I've seen a lot of people denounce hit workouts for women. And doing the slower, like, rucking, walking, that kind of stuff is just more beneficial to how we are made.

I love that. I'm exploring that very much also right now because I feel like we have cycles as women. We're not the little men. So our diet, our movement, all these things don't have to be identical to the man's. That's the other big huge wellness trend is cycle sinking to your workouts. Yes. Interesting. So yeah, I guess I'm going to be trending in 2024 also. But so my last ancestral secret is actually spirit. And I saw this in Ecuador, especially I think of it. I went down to be a part of the Inti Rami Festival, which if you like look on Wikipedia, it says, it's like a sun worship festival. It wasn't a sun worship festival. It was almost like a Thanksgiving of gratitude to God. Yes, for the sun, but for the earth and for the harvest. Like, it was amazing.

And I saw these people like dancing around and stomping on the earth and they said, this is our way of thanking the earth for giving us its harvest. It was so beautiful. But this is the story I want to tell you. So I was talking to the guide of mine and his wife, Christina, and they said, you know, in 2020, a lot of us got COVID in this community. And I was like, what did you do? She said, we gathered up medicinal plants and herbs. And we took them to each household that was affected by COVID. And they said, no one was hospitalized and no one died.

And I was like, can I see that list of herbs and plants? Because I was very curious. And then I never got it. But then I thought, you know what, that's okay? Because I realized those things were given in the spirit of community and in love. And so I just want to say, to anyone who's listening to, listening right now is like, oh my gosh, they're talking about the sun, they're talking about diet, they're talking about exercise. I'm not doing any of that stuff. Don't should should

on yourself. Don't be like, I should be doing this. I should be doing that. Don't should on yourself. Just give yourself grace because the most important thing is love in the end, in my estimation, Alex, of all the wisdom and the things you need to do things in your life or look for things that lift your spirit. You know, I start my day with prayer. I walk, I get the morning sun. I receive grace from God that I extend to others because I think in the end that's more important than the best, you know, most nutrient dense plate in a sad household, a depressed family. You know, what you really want is to be in community and to have things in your life that lift up your spirit. A piece of advice that I heard recently that I really loved when it pertains to all of this was they said,

if it's making you miserable, it's not wellness. So if there's some little thing that you, you just cannot stand for whatever reason, you know, that's just really driving you nuts. Like, I don't know, infrared sauna or whatever. You just cannot stand doing saunas. Then don't do saunas.

Exactly. I mean, there's basic things that we all need to be doing, like, the diet stuff. But like beyond that, these little extra things, you know, collagen powder, whatever, like these are just extra

like additional fun things. If you like it and it serves you and you notice a positive difference, keep doing it. Just because it works for me, just because it works for Hilda, doesn't mean you have to do it. I think a lot of,

of times I feel bad because my audience holds themselves up against me. I don't know if you notice that. But they're like, well, Hilda, you're doing this and all this and I just can't do it all or I don't like it, but like you're saying that you do it and it's good for you. So why isn't it good for me? It's like, well, we're all different. Yes. I love that so much. I feel like we're always looking at studies too. And being like, well, that study pointed to that. And I should be eating this. And no, no, no. Like experiment with yourself. Take maybe one thing. This is actually why at the end of my podcast, I always say, what's the one thing you can do to improve your health? Because I want people to walk away with just one thing that they could maybe apply to their life. And then

little by little with baby steps, incorporate more things that you find that are lifting your spirit and your body too. What are some of the examples of dishonesty that we see in food labeling? Oh my gosh. I did an interview with Paul Greve, who's a farmer from California. And I think we called it something about like myth-busting labels because there will be a label like on eggs that says cage-free. And you're like, well, that sounds good. That just means that the chickens can roam around, but they might be in this huge hoop house in isolated conditions where they can't even get outside. And the reason I'm even thinking of this is because I'm staying at a hotel just now and the eggs were labeled cage-free. And I looked at the yoke and I was like,

that is the palest yoke I've ever seen. It just was not like what I get from my farmer. So I was like, okay, you just can't, you just can't take the labels at face value. And they're all the things they say natural. They can call natural flavors, things that they've concocted in the lab. You know, there's so many ways that they can kind of hoodwink the public. I think we need to be really careful to get more single ingredient foods, as I said earlier, because when you're buying something in a package, even if it says natural paleo, keto, organic, you just can't always trust what you see. Even industrial organic is different than organic at a local farm. What is that? I've never heard of that. Well, industrial organic means they're doing organic farming,

but on a large scale, and it allows a certain number of pesticides and so forth. So like I, I'm a girl that loves her berries and I don't want to shout out or malign a particular berry company. But there's one that has berries like all over the world, pretty much, I think. And I'm like, how many berries and how many acres of berries do you all have? That's a monocrop situation. And nature loves diversity. And true regenerative agriculture has a diversity of crops and livestock so that it all works in a kind of symbiotic way to make the soil healthier. And so therefore the produce and the animals are healthier.

Do you see what I mean? But if it's monocrop, it's like corn and soy and even if it's all berries, chances are there's not a lot of diversity in the soil and the berries are not as nutrient rich as those I might get if I go up to Vermont or Maine in August and go berry picking. I was going to ask you if you think it is really important being, you know, eating meat that says grass fed or eating things that say organic. I prefer organic, but I don't only eat organic, especially if I'm eating out and traveling. You know, I do. Yeah, that's impossible. Yeah. But at home, I mean, I invest.

I just, I go organic. Because as AJ said on your podcast recently, people should go back and check out that one. Like, they're feeding the animals crap. And if they're feeding the animals crap, then you're going to feel like crap. And it's not just even the food, Alex. It's energetically how they're treated. The animals are not living their best lives. It's just, it's really sad.

I agree with vegetarians and vegans who are like, the animals should not be in concentrated animal feeding operations. 100% they shouldn't be. You know, the little chickens are so nervous that they're plucking off their feathers. So you know what they do? They kind of like shave down their little beak so they can't pluck off their feathers. That makes no sense. That's like tamping down a symptom on someone who's sick instead of getting to the root cause.

So they shouldn't have the chickens all tight in quarters like that where even the men have to come into the hoop houses with hazmat suits on because it's such poor living conditions. They can't breathe in there. The men who go to take care of them ostensibly. So it's just, it's a mess out there. And so I don't want to eat animals that have been in that situation because also the energy goes into their meat and then you're eating that. And I'm just like, no thank you. But when I'm on the road and when I'm traveling and someone offers me something, I take

it with gratitude trusting that it can still be used by my body in the right way. What are some myths and truths about cholesterol? Just like Sally says that modern science is catching up to traditional wisdom. I think we're very confused about cholesterol. And scientists are kind of trying to parse out LDL versus HDL. And when it's too high, you have to go on statins. And I just think it's a racket. Cholesterol naturally goes up as you age.

You need more cholesterol. So to take statins reverses the natural biology. What your body is doing, cholesterol is actually like a fireman at the fire. He's helping you. He's not hurting you. So when you say get back, you're getting all these side effects from the medicines. I don't think it's a good idea. I think cholesterol is fine, and I wouldn't worry about that number for the life of me.

Now, keep in mind, I'm not a doctor. But I just believe that when you eat the most nourishing foods and when you live your best life and you're getting all these inputs that I've mentioned, these six ancestral secrets, or at least some of them, and you feel good. Don't worry about the numbers. Doctors and scientists love to measure and look at all these little numbers and point and say, this one's wrong and you need this pill. I wouldn't buy it for a second. Tell me about the cod liver debate. I did not know there was a debate.

Dr. Price pointed to cod liver oil as a food. He said it's not a supplement. It's actually a food that everyone should include in their diet because liver is a superfood, as I said earlier. And when you don't get enough of it in your diet, you can get it in this liquefied form. So he recommended people taking it and he realized it worked better in tandem with some butter oils and so forth. And that's great. And so what happened was, if you really, here's another controversy for you. So the West Ney Price Foundation has a little shopping. guide. And we just rate things, kind of we call them as we see them. Like, I think it's like, good, better, best in terms of things that we recommend. We don't put things that are worst on there. We don't say always avoid this food because we're not trying to point the finger. But so we mentioned that we thought green pasture cod liver oil was a good one. It's actually a fermented cod liver oil. And the guy who started it, I think Dave Wetzel, has gone to Scandinavia and seeing that they ferment the cod livers, like these little livers from the fish, they ferment them, and then they would make the cod liver oil from that. So we thought that's great. But some people

tested it and they said, oh, no, the vitamin A and D levels aren't as high as touted. And we think this isn't actually from cod, but from a different kind of fish. And personally, I'm like, okay, if you don't want to take that cod liver oil, don't. Like, I don't think it's a hill for the Weston A Price Foundation to die on. Sally kind of wrote a letter of rebut. But personally, I think, again, there are many coddiver oil products out there. Take the one that you like. If you don't want to take green pasture, fine. But people got it all up in arms and they were like, has Sally been lying to us all these years?

I will tell you. I get together with her regularly. She is the picture of health. She relies on this coddiver oil, green pasture products, codlever oil regularly. And she gives it to her children and her grandchildren. And I think that's saying something. So people can, you know, make a big tempest in a. What do they say? A Tempest and a teapot, which is maybe perfect for the spillover podcast.

They can do that if they want to, but I don't think it's controversial at all. If you want to take it, do it. If you don't, don't. And I do from time to time. I mix it up a little bit, but I do take it. All right. So I know this is going to be one of the most controversial things for my audience. Okay. How important is the cookware that we use? Oh, I think it's very important. I do too. It's really important. And people don't know. We are sacrificing our health. on the altar of convenience. This is why we're not doing well as a society. Because we want the door dash.

We want the home delivery. We want the pizza in under 30 minutes or it's free. And that has been at the cost of our health. We don't realize it. So we thought, oh, I hate washing these pans. If only someone would come up with something. And they did. And these teflon nonstick pans are full of carcinogenic chemicals.

So when you cook in those day after day after day, and especially if they have scratches in them, then more of those toxins are released. So a simple cast iron pot is not expensive. I see these often at the thrift store. So pick up a cast iron pan or pot and cook in that or stainless steel. That's fine too. But the other stuff you really should stay away from,

that's not going to help your health. So there is a trend of non-toxic non-stick cookware and it's all colored and beautiful. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. do you trust that? I'd rather stick with the tried and true. That's how I feel. I'm all stainless steel.

So I'm a stainless steel girly. One thing I want to do is get a cast iron. I don't have a cast iron skillet. I want to get a cast iron this year and start learning how to use that. And the other thing is too, when it came to switching out my cookware, I also thought it would be important to get rid of my plastic utensils, like spatulas and things. So I got all stainless steel like pasta strainer and, and spatula and all that.

Good. And you can use wooden utensils. Yes. That's really important because you're repeatedly cooking in the same space over and over. Let's say you can't buy organic, but you can at least get a new pan

that's from the thrift store and spare your family that input. You know, I used to think detoxing wasn't important. We haven't even touched on that. But I think now we are assailed from all sides with all kinds of toxins. You mentioned glyphosate. and then there are chemicals in our tap water.

And in our food, there are pesticides and herbicides and all kinds of residues in the air that we breathe. So I'm really big on doing as much as I can to prevent these things from coming into my body in the first place. So I don't use sunscreens. I don't use plug-in fresheners in my home. You know, I try to get the most organic or low-tox things possible so that I have less of a toxic load in my home. body and in my family's body. Edit, you may not live somewhere with a trusted farmer or rancher to get your meat. For people like you, I love good ranchers.

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Go to Good Ranchers.com with Code Clark for $20 off your order plus free chicken for a year. That's Good Ranchers.com with Code Clark for $20 off and free chicken for a year for a limited time. Find the link in the show notes if you forget, Good Ranchers. American meat delivered. Okay, what are some getting started tips you have for somebody who wants to build a holistic medicine cabinet in their house? Well, we actually did a podcast on that very episode. I think I called it like mom's herbal remedy toolkit. you know, because it's not hard, but it's foreign, right?

All we know is go into CVS and get Tylenol and NyQuil, please don't do any of those things. But, you know, all the remedies that you see on the shelf with a cute little picture of the kid looking happier with the little teddy bear. No, like what you want is to find simple remedies that don't cost as much and also don't tamp down the symptoms of your child because the fever is actually a healing modality. Did you know that? A fever means the kid's body is fighting something. So I understand you don't want it to get alarmingly high, but there are ways in which you can make them comfortable as they have the fever and work through it. Let their body, let the white cells win, you know what I mean, to fight the infection or whatever it is. So when you take a Tylenol or have them take a Tylenol or a NyQuil to lower their fever, you're unintentionally causing a ceasefire that maybe isn't helping the child reach their next.

level of health. Some people say every symptom you have is simply a healing modality getting you to the next level. And that's especially true of our children. So I can't remember the name of the woman that I interviewed on this, but she had a whole little medicine cabinet. But there are simple things as easy as like a chamomile tea, you know, a simple camomile tea that you could get at any whole foods or natural grocer, I suppose, and make that tea for your kid if they're having trouble calming down before bedtime. And you would figure out, you know, how they might like it with a little bit of honey or whatever you can make a special little ritual of it.

Or I think there are just so many herbs that are staring us right in the face. Like ginger is great for detoxification and for lowering inflammation, as is turmeric. And these are things you could include in a fried rice dinner one night, you know, so it doesn't have to be fancy or foreign. but I would say listen to that podcast on the Wise Traditions podcast and then look for further resources from maybe your local chapter leader as well. So all you have to do is go to Westonaprice.org and click on find food or find your local chapter. You can see where you live anywhere in the world, as I said. And literally there are phone numbers and email addresses for the chapter leaders near you and they will help you find resources for such things. Are parasites something that people in the U.S. can get or is that only third world country?

Oh, no, you can get them here too. But get this. So I interviewed someone on the subject of parasites not too long ago, but I realized I'm not worried about them because some parasites are actually supposed to be in our body. They're helping us get rid of heavy metals. So you don't want to like necessarily wipe them out. I don't know. It's a complicated situation. But I also think you don't have to get like extreme with coffee enemas necessarily, even though that's probably trending to.

It is. It is popular. flushes and there's all this stuff. People want to get so aggressive and go so hard. But I say, what about like getting in a sauna or working out to work up a sweat or putting your feet in Epsom salt baths at the end of the day? These are all detoxing modalities that are not as stressful and not as harsh on the body that may help you. I'm not saying those will all get rid of parasites, but personally, you know, I travel a bunch and I hardly take anything. I recently got some wormwood from a friend who makes tinctures. And no, is it?

Wormwood? No, it's actually black walnut. Black walnut is supposed to be good against parasites. So I thought, well, it's not going to hurt me. I'll probably take this tincture with me and drink it now and then when I travel. But honestly, I don't, I think we're better off living in confidence in our body's ability to stay strong and be resilient and keep on building that up as opposed to living in fear of every toxin, pesticide, glyphosate, you know, parasite. If you're worried about that, you're weakening your immune system function. So I try to go forward with doing the best I can and believing in the resilience and strength on my body. I like that. And it's a little bit different advice than I feel like we're getting a lot of right now in the health and wellness space. So I like that from you. I think that's just that's authentic to you and something different for people to consider that

and maybe they're finally like, finally somebody said exactly what I'm feeling. You talked about vitamin A and how that can be good with fertility and pregnancy. Could you talk about that? Where do we find vitamin A? It is one of the most important vitamins. Maybe that's why it's A. Sally says it's like a conductor of an orchestra. And so it helps all of the other vitamins work in synergy with our body.

And I did a whole podcast on this with Pam Schoenfeld, vitamin A and fertility. But I would suggest that you can get it best from animal products. So eggs, meats, even fish, definitely organ meats, like. liver. Yeah, there's vitamin A and liver. This is why I called it a superfood. So it's simple. It's complicated. But don't be looking to vegetables. Some people say, well, carrots have vitamin A. No, they have the precursor to vitamin A. Oh. And so unless your body is good at converting it, it won't do so. And not everybody's a good converter. So you really want vitamin A where it's found naturally in foods. And it's found in butter and cheese too. Okay. So you talk to some of the

most cutting edge experts in health and wellness, most respected names in health and wellness, just absolutely amazing guests every week. What were some of your favorite new trends that you tried last year that you were like, I'm bringing this into the new year with me, this worked for me and I'm going to keep doing it. Oh my gosh, Alex, honestly, it's kind of a cumulative effect. I've been podcasting for eight years and little by little I've been incorporating many of the things my guests have said and my husband's finally like, are you ever going to stop? I'm like, no, no, I'm not because why should I? I'm not saying I can do every single thing, but I learn so much and I incorporate so much. I would say recently, I don't really think in terms of trends,

but, or just tips. Maybe it is a trend. Grounding, literally putting your feet on the ground. Talk about this because I haven't had, I've briefly just mentioned it like in passing on different podcast, but no one has explained what it is and why it's good. Okay, this is so good because I know we're wrapping up and I don't want anyone to have listened to this podcast and leave feeling kind of defeated. Like, it's just too much. I don't know where to start. Maybe you could just start by putting your feet on the ground. And don't our children do this naturally. They throw off their sandals. They don't want to wear their tennis shoes. They want to run around barefoot. When was the last time you as an adult were barefoot? Like, think about that. Ask yourself that question.

And the thing is, this is what's going on. We've lost contact with the Earth. And so we are gaining a positive charge in our bodies, which sounds good, but in this case, it's not, from all the non-native electromagnetic frequencies around us. So we've got our cell phones and then the cell towers. And I also want to clarify, this is scientific. This is not new age. At first, it sounds like some woo-woo weird thing going barefoot and stuff. But what you're talking about is scientific, especially with all the other things going on around us with electronics.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So what happens is it's like your body is wearing an ever-increasing heavier backpack, loaded down and weighed down by all of the things that are surrounding us. And it's only getting more and more 5G, 6G, 7-G. That's not a stuff of the future. Like that's happening now, right? So we're carrying this around and we have no place to offload it except for the Earth. The Earth has a. naturally negative charge. And so when you touch it, even if you touch a tree, let's say you're like, okay, it's getting too cold right now. I don't want to put my bare feet on the ground. Touch a tree, lean against it. I do this in the morning when I walk in the park. And it gives you, the earth gives you, it's negative energy, it's negative ions and takes

on your positive charge. So it's like they call her mother nature. Mother nature is taking off that heavy backpack and replacing it with a load that you can carry. And that negative charge from the earth is also taking care of the free radicals, kind of the oxidative stress that your body has that's cancer causing. So literally with 15 minutes of putting your feet on the ground, there's this wonderful exchange. And it is scientifically based. I think Clint Ober did a documentary called earthing. I think it was that simple. And he goes over the benefits of it. And people lose weight and people have less joint pain. And so it has been documented that the earth

can do this for us. And it's right under our noses or our feet and we forget to avail ourselves of it. So I as an adult make an effort to, if not put my feet exactly on the ground, I'll lean against trees in the park. I do what I can in the winter to continue to get that, that wonderful negative charge that leads to positive energy from my body. And that's just like, too, everybody's familiar with when you go to the beach, the negative ions from the ocean. I'm saying that right, right? Yes. And it's from the ground too. And so people feel so good and they think it was just that vacation. No, it wasn't just a vacation. It's not. It's a real thing. And that's why I'm saying it's not New Age. This is real. And what I love that I learned, so one of my favorite wellness tips that I learned in the

last year was that the beeswax candles that you light in your home. This is why like turning off all the lights during nighttime, only lighting candles, making sure they're beeswax because those emit the same negative ions as the ocean. I learned. So I thought that was a really cool tip. And it helps you relax, get sleepy. So see, it all is just so fun. Okay, so those are, that's one of your favorite things. What's one of your least favorite trends or just something that just didn't work for you? Have you ever done a hyperbaric oxygen chamber? Is that like the cryotherapy thing, like the cold? No, it's just like, I don't know, putting you at a different pressure level. Okay. So that your body has to, I hate those things. Just made up. Just doesn't do anything. Michael Jackson did

it back in the 70s or something. I don't know. I'm like, I hate it. It's like makes my ears pop. I'm like, why am I doing this? It doesn't make sense. That's one thing. thing I don't like. And people do it all the time. I guess it's supposed to be, maybe it is like a cold therapy thing in the sense that it challenges your body and so that you can have better capability for oxygenating your blood or something. But it didn't work for you. No, it didn't work for me. Okay. And the other thing I tried maybe once was methylene blue, which is something that people take to detox. But again, I'd rather go the simple way. Again, from all my travels, I'm just like, it doesn't need to be complicated. It doesn't need to be expensive. It can be accessible

and free and easier. So let's not get all uptight about it. Let's look back to the past for good health today. That's how I see it. You talked about the West and A Price local chapters that are around the country that you can join and learn more about this and then find like-minded people that are into the same stuff,

especially for those that are like, well, no one in my family, no one in my friend group is in on this. I feel so alone. Like that would be a really good way to meet people. Absolutely. And I don't think I said this, but it's free.

So like you can become a member of the Weston A Price Foundation. if you really find benefit in their materials and stuff, you can join any local chapter for free. It's there for you. And sometimes the chapters don't just give you real food resources, but they have meetings and they'll have a farmer come in and talk about microgreens or what have you.

And it's really fun or potlucks, and that's the best food you might have all month. So, yeah, find your local chapter. Okay. And so the other thing that the Weston A Price Foundation does, which I told you I'm dying to go, is you guys put on a big conference every year with tons of speakers and stuff.

Talk a little bit about those, what time of the year those are and when to expect, you know, a final city to be announced and date and line up and all that. Awesome, awesome. Yeah, so we have our Wise Traditions Conference. And even if you don't go in to hear a single speaker, just like you said, being around like minded people is so beautiful and encouraging. And you'll meet everyone from an Amish farmer to a mom like you to a health and wellness expert, a chiropractor, you know, who's right around the corner from you. And you didn't even know it. Like, it's amazing. So we have these every fall.

It's either October or November. And the foundation kind of takes turns in terms of where in the country they decide to have it. They've had it in California. They've had it in Texas. This last year was in Kansas City. I expect it will be in October of 2024. And the date, I mean, the exact date and the location has not been announced yet. But I will be there and I love meeting people.

When do you normally announce that? Like, will it be over the summer or something? Oh, no. It'll be in the next month or two. Oh, okay. Great. So we can look forward to that. And then tell us a little bit about your podcast when you release new episodes and some upcoming episodes you're excited about.

Okay. So it's the Wise Traditions podcast. It comes out once a week. I'm proud to say I haven't missed a Monday in like eight years. I know. That's a big deal in podcasting. It is. We've never pod faded.

And it's been so much fun. And so we interview people from Bruce Lipton to Tommy John to Zach Bush. It's been amazing health and wellness experts. And then people just with their own stories. mom I told you about with her natural remedy toolkit and it's been phenomenal. A particular episode I'm excited about is an interview I conducted with Dr. Olivia Lessler recently and she is like a psycho-neuroimmunologist. So she's very much about, I guess, helping your body feel safe so that you can heal because some of the people listening and maybe you two, Alex, struggle with,

gosh, I've tried everything. I'm almost playing health whackamol, you know. I try. tried this protocol and it didn't work. I said this chiropractor and nothing happened. I can't get to the bottom of why I'm having allergies or gut dysbiosis or what have you. And I don't know what to do next. And so she suggests kind of signaling to your body that you're safe so that your body feels like, okay, I can kind of let my guard down and maybe stop being so alarmist about some things. And maybe you'll heal that way because it worked for Olivia herself. So this is one cool tip that she recommended. And this is going to come out probably in February or something, but she said, literally get outside, scan the horizon, because the ability that you have to do that is something that your body will recognize as meaning

you're safe. Like you'll see, you can even stand there with your palms open, kind of like, there are no threats to me right now. And she said it really kind of lowers your cortisol level and provides a signal to your body that you can heal now because there's nothing threatening you. And she offers a bunch of tips like that. I thought it was fascinating. I love that.

I'm this week, actually, actually tomorrow. I'm doing my first ever Dutch test, like hormone testing, blood panel, all that kind of stuff. I've never got my hormones tested. So I'm doing that. And then I'll do an episode towards the beginning of next month where I have a doctor go over all the results with me and talk about like hormone testing and all that. So that's something I'm looking forward to on this show. Neat. That's coming up.

So Wise Traditions podcast. to that and then tell us about your Instagram and where to find you. Yeah. So I'm holistic held out on Instagram and I love to do like little shorts and reels and kind of show even behind the scenes on the podcast, things that I've learned from it. But then I also put out content on my YouTube channel because I love to add visual content. The Wise Traditions podcast is mostly audio. Sometimes we'll pop something up on the West End A Price Foundation's YouTube channel,

but mostly it's audio. So I provide complimentary stuff on my YouTube channel and I'm working on a course about my secrets and some other fun projects. So stay tuned. Course about secrets for health and wellness or podcasting. The six ancestral secrets that we talked about. Oh, awesome. Yes. Hilda, you are just, it's seriously like bucket list for me to be able to interview you. Thank you so much. I know that this, this was a long episode, but it like wasn't long enough. There's so much. So like, if you're like, oh, I could just listen to her all day like me and there's other things that

you want to hear. I promise you, she's done an episode on it. She was one of the only podcast during the pandemic, speaking out about the vaccines. Like, it's phenomenal. So you will absolutely love it. Hilda, thank you for coming on the spillover. Alex, it's been an absolute pleasure. I'm so happy every week whenever I hear Hilda's podcast and it always starts with, hi, Hilda here.

If you listen to Wise Traditions, then you know, that's how she starts every episode. I actually had the most embarrassing. I mean, kind of embarrassing. Maybe she thought it was endearing, but the way that I reached out to her to ask her to come on the show, I was like, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I love your show. Please come on mine. by the way, I really think that you should be a voiceover actor on children's cartoons.

You have the most soothing, like, special voice. I love it so much. She was probably like, what a weirdo. Yes, I'll go on your show just so I can assess what kind of situation you got going on because it's not normal. I'm just joking. Hilda is the sweetest ever. So thankful that she came on. You've got to check out wise traditions.

Next week, speaking of, you know, all the things that we have to change with our food and our diet and whatever and how we've talked a lot about, you know, trying to stay home with your kids the first three There's one thing that you guys have been begging me to do is interview somebody on how to afford to stay home and live off of one income. So this has been a huge thing. A lot of people think that it's absolutely not doable if you make under a certain amount of money. I have found a woman that I really, really like and respect and admire, and you will too. And her husband, I believe, makes either $50,000 a year or less. And she does not work.

She has multiple children. She stays home to raise them. And she is coming on to talk all about how they do this logistically. What does their budget look like? The ends and outs. I'm asking her, how do your groceries cost? You know, how do you pay bills? All these types of things.

How did you decide to become a stay-at-home mom and live off one income? You know, were you always planning to do this? Did something happen that caused you to need to do this life change? So we're going to find out all of her tips and tricks. She's going to get real granular with it and tell us exactly how we can do. this and make this change. If it's something, if this is a season in your life and you love to ideally do this, but you just feel like it's not possible, she is here to tell you that it is. So that is next week on The Spillover, new episodes drop every single Thursday night,

9 p.m. Pacific or midnight Eastern, depending on whatever time zone you're in. Make sure that you leave your five-star review. Subscribe to Real Alex Clark on YouTube. I'm Alex Clark, and this is The Spillover. Love you, Munich. Bye.