Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - “GET YOUR HORMONES TESTED! Where, How & Why.” - With Dr. Patrick Flynn

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Our most popular guest is back to teach you everything men and women need to know about hormone testing. Alex had her hormones tested for the first time with Dr. Patrick Flynn, and the results are SHOCKING. Follow Dr. Patrick Flynn on Instagram | @drpatrickflynnVisit Dr. Patrick Flynn's Website | https://drpatrickflynn.com/Visit The Wellness Way Website | https://www.thewellnessway.com/For articles, video teachings, and the detailed list of the hormone test panel, view the Thyroid ...

My most viral guest of all time is back. Dr. Patrick Flynn is a chiropractor and clinician known as the hormone whisperer who is working towards a global health revolution. He founded the Wellness Way, a network of more than 80 health restoration clinics that think and act differently to solve health challenges that others can't. If you have debilitating PCOS, can't get more than four hours asleep at night, or struggling with cystic acne, thinning hair, or chronic fatigue, you likely have a hormonal imbalance. This is where Dr. Flynn really shines.

In our first interview, he talked about the hormonal differences between men and women last July, and that if you understand how the opposite sex thinks and feels hormonally, it can set your relationship up for long-term success. This week we're uncovering how to know if you have a hormonal imbalance. What it means to get your hormones tested, what different deficiencies can mean, what to do about it, what to look for in supplements, and how to do all of this in the first place. And guess what?

I did it. I did my first ever intensive blood and hormone test to see what, if anything, is going on with me. This is a fully transparent, real-life doctor's appointment for me that you get to listen in on, as well as get tons of advice for yourself so you can do it too. If you didn't know, the spillover is produced by Turning Point USA, a nonprofit. To support the show financially, help pay for guest travel, equipment, and set needs. Make a tax-deductible donation at the link in the description. Pause.

Watch this episode with a loved one. by subscribing to Real Alex Clark on YouTube for the video. And by the way, when was the last time you left a five-star review? Help us grow. Tell me what the show is meant to you so other prospective listeners can see what we're all about. Please welcome international speaker and best-selling author, Dr. Patrick Flynn, back on the spillover.

Dr. Flynn, the last time that you were here, we focused on how to understand the hormonal difference between men and women. The episode went mega-viral. Were you surprised by the response? that it got? Yes and no. I think I've been doing this for so long

and seeing how women are so sick today that when they get some understand about what's really going on and have some answers that they've never had before, I think it's just easy to share a message like that. And then we try to make it really simple. And so therefore, then they can communicate it and then I've gotten thousands of messages

since the last episode. So it's excited to do what we're going to do today. Well, I think a lot of those women were listening and sending it to their husbands. And they were, because they loved your whole thing about like your man. to understand how your hormones work, your relationship will flourish, it will be better off. And actually, that was the episode that introduced a lot of men to my podcast.

And now I have a lot more male listeners. Great. Well, I know there was women making videos out there saying, I listen to this podcast, my husband listens to it. And he treats me better now. I was like, that was fantastic. Look at us. Look at us.

So is hormonal a bad word? I think if it's taking the other context, it's like if you're saying like a woman that if you, guess what, they're supposed to be sensitive. So if we don't understand about women, we think it's bad. So being hormonal is a great thing. And because you don't want hormones to be off. And there's changes that happen with women all time in hormones. So hormone is a great thing.

I want to know everything about getting your hormones tested. How do you do it and what does it tell you? Well, we have to step back and look at where women have been misled. The biggest thing that I started 25 years ago is really simple. And obviously, most people know my wife's story now, is she was very sick. She suffered endometriosis. And that's very common to have a very dumb. dominant estrogens that exist there.

Well, when I started to look at her labs that her physicians were doing, they're dramatically incomplete. Now, what do I mean? You know, when I talk about hormones, I usually start and say, okay, listen, if you're a dating man or married a man, the major hormone that makes him who he is is testosterone. Everybody knows that. It's a simple hormone. There's testosterone free.

It's quite well known. But here's the one thing. The woman, when she looks at the hormones that make her who she is, women are not to understand that's estrogen. But then I started to say, okay, listen, ladies, do you understand estrogen's on hormone? And that's where women go, wait, what are you talking about? Well, estrogen really is a term that represents many hormones. And then I ask women, have you had all of them measured?

And just that simple phrase right there is going, number one, they didn't know that it's a term that describes many and then have never had them fully tested because once again, our current system is looking to measure just one or two. And I just can't, I just don't believe that's right. I believe the fact that if these things can dictate you both mentally and physically, and we're taking a little small snapshot of it, you're just having such an incomplete view of it. So therefore, I just started calling labs companies and said, can we do this? And no joke, their response was, yes, why an insurance doesn't pay for it. And I was like,

but I have a very sick woman that I want to marry and she has endometriosis. So we did, obviously, and then we started to test that way a long time ago. And it's actually really started to answer some questions for people clinically. And then doctors of all kinds started calling me going, hey, what are you doing? And I started showing them in and just kind of explored, just like our our message last time. You said there's multiple estrogen hormones that need to be tested. How many? Well, standardly, you at least want to get 10 of them measured. Ten of them? Yes. So, yeah, and that's the thing, because most women think of like, you know, estradiol, which is the major component for cyclic estrogen. And if you're metapausal esterone, and that's what Christy had measured. As a cyclic

young lady at 23 years old, she had done many times, estrogen is measured. And what really threw them off was, it was normal. And when you look at the condition endometosis, you usually have higher levels of estrogens. And of course, they said, well, obviously, that has to be genetic because the one marker we measured wasn't off, so therefore everything has to be normal. And that is very common when women to even test their thyroid today. And so we just said, okay, listen, you got to get them all tested. But what really was important to me was sharing the message going, hey, listen, you need both blood and urine done together. Because if you just do one or other, once again, the testing to me is very incomplete. Who needs to be getting their hormones tested, just women or men too?

Well, what I want you to do is this. Can you hold your two fingers up like this? Put it against your neck. If you feel a pulse, you have to get measured. So that means basically everybody, because here's one thing that we talked about last time. They affect you both physically and mentally. And if we look at the current healthcare system today, most people are having a lot of physical and mental problems that are hormonally related. And so I just tell people, just get a picture because these can be some contributing factors, them being abnormal and actually if they're not normal, there's such things that can be devastating everything

from just mental illness to breast cancer to prostate problems to every condition on the planet. Should somebody get their hormones tested even if they're not experiencing any abnormal symptoms? Well, what I'll always do is this, most people know now I have four daughters and my daughters have been labs done since they were little.

Now, once again, and that's why a lot of people don't do those things because what they'll do is they say, well, insurance doesn't pay for it. I'm like, I don't care, I'll just pay for it anyways. But the idea is this is because here's what happens. You can catch things way early. It's like when a person has their thyroid tests and their antibodies come back very high. But guess what happens?

You caught it way before something happens to where it starts to go down. You can catch all these hormone problems very early and start to actually make the positive changes. So actually they never turn out to be bad. See, I was going to ask you that how early should you start getting your hormones tested? Like should you be testing your children? Do you wait until you're in your teens, 20s? Well, I have a standard rule. Like I said, there's, you know, just as my personal bias is having daughters myself,

I started testing about 10 years old and before they were cyclic. And then what it did, it just allowed me to keep them in decent ranges that way, that they weren't starting elevate too early. And so therefore, you know, we wanted to make sure that the things and then they, they've transitioned. I have only two cyclic girls and stuff because I still have a 14 year old and the 10 year old. So I figure in the next couple of years, they'll be hitting their cycle and stuff. So I started at 10 years old for all my daughters and had them.

measured every single year. And then because their hormones were normal, they'd never experienced things like PMS and all the problems that other young ladies do. Why should somebody get their labs done with a doctor like you versus their standard clinician or standard physician? I think you should get them done no matter who will do them as long as they're complete. For example, you know, like we did last time, I'd say, hey, listen, here's just a sheet of blood work that can be done. It's post on our website. Any doctor can do it. It's just that the majority of them don't because, number one, they don't know what to do with them when they get the results back. Number two, they have to try to justify the insurance of why they want to have them done. Because remember, our current

healthcare system is always looking for every disease in the planet. And most young people don't present too many things as far as disease processes. So they have to have some justification to do them instead of just trying to stay healthy and look and make sure that nothing's thrown off. So the idea is I believe that anybody can do it. They can. It doesn't matter as long as it. And actually in the top of it, you don't even need a doctor to have it done. You can legitimately go to a lab and get them done and don't need a doctor whatsoever. It's just that our current form of healthcare kind of has made themselves a gatekeeper. And so people just say, my doctor won't do it. Well, then do it on your own. And really what comes down to they're just a gatekeeper to insurance. Well, and also,

I mean, I have the same experience. It's intimidating. I don't know how to understand what these results say, you know. So it's nice to have somebody like you or a doctor. I think that's where people get freaked out when you're like, well, you can do it yourself. But okay, but I mean, I don't understand that stuff. Yeah, you still need a person guiding you. And, but that's the thing. And the reason why the majority of conventional doctors will not do them is because they don't know what to do with them. And it's been said to through thousands of our patients that we get the labs back. And there's not one marker you can't look up yourself. It's just that when you look at most things that when people say, why don't doctors handle these? If they don't have a form of treating for them,

they're not going to do them. What can hormone testing tell you? It can tell you so many things. let's start here. There's physical and psychological things that are affected by the whole hormone system. And so therefore, it can even predict what's going to happen to you in the future as far certain cancers and stuff. So it's such a wide variety of things because it's almost like a blanket picture because if really like a hormone stands for, it stands for message. That's what a hormone is, just a messenger. So therefore, it kind of gives you an idea of what's going on and how your body's talking to itself and the confined problems that you didn't even really know exist. Do you do the same labs for every single client?

It's kind of the same just because, you know, let's say a person comes in with, let's say endometriosis or PCOS. There will be a little bit more dominant hormones with PCS compared to amortemetrosis. You're going to have more androgens, more testosterone dominant with something like PCOS. Yet endometriosis is going to have a little bit more of the estrogens that are elevated. But you still want to know all of them because they do convert into other forms. And on top of it, it could have stem from something else that was there. So having a picture of the antigens compared to the estrogens, guess what happens?

It's going to be a wonderful picture to see what's going on. And therefore, it's going to be able to give you a picture of some of their past and also a really big predictor what's going to happen in the future. But there are also all of these, there's these different things I hear about. Like there's blood testing. There's a gut microbiome test and then some stool test or is that the same? And then Dutch tests, like all these different things. Those are dramatically different labs. Do you like some of those more than others, I guess, as well?

what I'm wondering. Depends what the person comes with. Okay. You know, say what they present with. And on top of it, you might start with one lab and the body was saying,

okay, this is what's going on. For example, if you do have an immune process, there is some immune trigger. So you might have to do additional tests once you get some hormone testing done because hormones can actually direct you a little bit of like some of the areas of the body

that are majorly off. So you can find out sometimes there's immune problems from hormonal testing. And therefore, okay, then you can do a little bit more digger deep on it. Now, to be clear, and I may be wrong on this, you don't diagnose people, right?

Yep. So you can look, though, at patterns in somebody's hormonal testings and kind of, along with knowing their health history, help them get on the right path with their hormones. So explain, like, your process and what you do. Most people present into our offices because they have some condition. They really do. They have some diagnosis. And they usually have failed care. They've progressed to get worse.

Their doctor's not giving answers. They're frustrated. and then we go, okay, listen, so let's just pick PCOS because right now it's become a very dominant condition that roughly 10% of women across the world suffer from right now. Now, what that does now, well, you understand that there's going to be certain hormones that are dominant, so you're going to run those labs on there. And then what's going to do, you're going to see them and go, okay, listen, you've got to diagnosis of PSS based on all your your presentation to your doctors that way. But you've got to remember, it's about finding out the hormones that are really being the major

factor that are dictating and driving that. And then some of the lifestyle things that are even driving that even more. And then you start to reverse those. And then here's the great thing. I think I mentioned to you not too long ago. People are always excited about testing. And I love testing. I think it's one of the greatest things. But I think retesting is even better. Because not only do you see the progress in the person as they present, if they present with PCOS, and then you start to see it starting to work backwards and start to go normal. And then the patients are extremely excited. because they'll go get another ultrasound. They'll go get some other testing done by their docs

that they've been seen for a long period of time. And then I'm excited about that change, but I'm like, hey, listen, nice seeing that pathology change. But I'm going to see how labs back to normal. Why do we always see people get told by their primary care doctors? There's nothing wrong with you. I don't see anything.

But the patient is saying, I know something is wrong with me. Then they go see a doctor like you. And you're like, yeah, something is wrong. Where's the disconnect? How come they're not finding what you are? But it's really not disconnect. it's actually a very good thing.

A lot of people come into our office is very frustrated. I mean, like, really frustrated. And I'm like, no, no, no, go back and thank your doctor. And they're like, what do you mean think your doctor? I said, what you think about this? If you look at what, if we can understand what I do and what, you know, basically our current form of healthcare does. And I gave the example, and you read it in my book. You know, I always tell people, you know, medicine's like the fire department.

You know, if your house catches on fire, you guess what happens? Let's call that disease. Let's say that that could be cancer, it could be heart disease, something that your house is going to burn down. Just think, they're going to use the fire department, the axes and hoses to put it out. Now, we know that when they do that process, there could be destruction through the process, but they're really saving house. Now, people are left with a burnt up house. Well, we're the kind of people that say, listen, we need to rebuild the house.

So when somebody goes into a doctor, they're going to look for that fire. Okay. And so the people go, so the doctor is doing a wonderful job with all the technology. They're looking for all these pathologies, and they ain't present yet. They're just not present in their body. yet those things happen to take years and years to develop. For example, I just posted a pretty good research article where they even talked about type 2 diabetes.

You will have hyper-incemia for 10 to 15 years before that'll even present that they'll record it as. So you couldn't even get the diagnosis of type 2 diabetes for a long period of time. And that's why when I first graduated 25 years ago, type 2 diabetes was called adult onset. And obviously it's migrated back lower and lower to teens years now, so they had to change that.

But the idea is diseases take. such a long time to develop that by the time that they catch them, you understand, you've been sick for a long period of time. So what we're doing is we're just seeing the normal state of where the body's at. And if it's abnormal, guess what's going to happen? It's like this. You know, if all of a sudden, you know, like when I left Green Bay this morning, it was really cold. You know, if you decide to walk outside, you know, in a swimsuit during that time, your body's going to go into a fight-of-flight response. Now, there's no pathology relevant that's there. You don't say any disease. But guess what happens. Everything from your blood sugar to your blood pressure to your, you know,

cortisol levels and everything will change. And we'll look at a person and say, listen, got to get that change now because eventually it's going to lead to something bad. It can even lead to something that blood pressure stays high for a long period time to a stroke. But see, they don't do that. So it's just about checking those markers. They check for pathology, or just making sure all the things, all the biochemistry and physiology is normal. Why is it important to understand that what is normal to somebody may not necessarily mean optimal when it comes to health? Well, they're kind of. are the same. They really are. Because, you know, for example, if you look at ranges for most

hormonal labs, they're within them. It's just that what happens to this. You can, you can have a marker in, let's say your thyroid can run from one to five. Well, guess what happens? Someone could be a three, even though it's another normal range, but they might be better off two. And so as they start to get their body back normal, it starts going to two or one point five. And then you can, then after measuring that for several years, you can start to tell, okay, what's more optimum for that person? Have you heard that 80% of people are pre-diabetic and have no idea? Yes, yes. And I would say that's probably on low end.

Are you serious? Yeah, because once again, we remember, we live in that fire department, pathological end-stage, wait till you fall apart kind of health care. And then people, once again, it takes years and years to develop that way. It really does. And that's why if you ever look at the lab that we ran on hormone tests, you want to run a fasting insulin. That can be elevated for many, many, many years before there is.

any diabetic diagnosis. What are the most common hormonal problems that you see in people that have PCOS, infertility, or even premenopausal symptoms? Quite simple. Estrogens, testosterone, progesterone levels are off significantly. And because, you know, women, the best thing they have for younger women is a form of birth control, which is a whole other topic. But the idea is this is they try to do some hormone therapy.

and you can, because hormones fluctuate so much, trying to give a person a same dose all time actually makes no clinical sense. When I bring up the birth control conversation, the one person without a doubt who always ends up in my DMs is the person who is adamant. I understand what you're saying

and I understand birth control should be a last resort, but there are people with endometriosis. This is our only option. This is the only thing that helps us. What is your response? Well, it's the only option that you've talked to those kind of doctors about. You're saying it's like,

And so therefore they've given your option. It's like when you go to some practitioner and said, this is the only thing you do. I'm like, well, no, it's the only thing that you can do through you. You're saying, because I would tell people, if I'm so wrong, which I'm not, but if I'm so wrong, why am I so busy? I mean, honestly, why have I started one clinic and now, like I said, we have them all over the world. So if somebody is telling being told by their physician that for endometriosis, the only thing that's going to work for you is birth control, what is going on with them in their endometriosis? why is the doctor saying birth control? Well, because once again, think of this way.

It's an endocrine disruptor. It can change your estrogens quite easily. It really can. It can inhibit them. You can actually see this in labs. It drops the estrogens quite well. It does. So therefore, if you lower the estrogens,

you're going to have less growth and you're not going to actually suffer as you would if you weren't on birth control. But it doesn't get you back to normal. And actually, it creates a whole other host of problems. And on top of it, you're going to have other hormone problems that are disrupted from taking birth control in the first place.

So that's why it's kind of interesting. you're passing off a little bit of slowing down a condition to create other conditions because that's why we see other side effects besides just, let's say, endocrine problems that go there because it also relates to neurological problems and digestive problems. I mean, birth control self affects how well your stomach releases hydrochloric acid. So it causes now a digestive problem. That's why there's a whole host of negative side effects that go through all the systems. What would your recommendation be for somebody then that is in a severe endometriosis?

a situation if it isn't birth control. Well, here's what it's going to sound very surprising. And the endometriosis was one of the major things with fertility that I took care for all these years. Because that's what your wife had. Yes, because that story was shared. And then what happens is this, obviously, then I can show all the labs and everything that's needed that way.

And I can ask to tell you, not one person has ever in 25 years in all the offices and thousands of doctors. I've never seen anybody come in with endipotosis or any major condition. and ever have their hormones tested properly. So that's always a start. See, so that's why when women may say, hey, there's nothing I can do. My doctor said, I'm like, okay, let me see your labs.

And therefore I'm going, all right, well, here, watch this. So if you, so someone's going to DM you and say, birth control is the only thing I can do for end of rejuosis. Well, say, let me say, let me see your blood work and your urine work together. And what do you think most of them are going to say? Oh, I didn't do that. Thank you. So your testing is incomplete.

It dramatically is incomplete. So therefore, how can you, you know, want to argue with us or want to talk about that way, when I'm going, hey, listen, these are labs that they're all medical labs. They're not like it's a specialized lab or something like that. Any doctor can do them. It's just they don't do them because once again, there's no course of action to change them. And so what is it that helps endometriosis if it's not birth control? I mean, is it certain supplements that you usually go to or what?

Well, here's what happens. If you look at, you have to look at hormones in two ways. There's production and there's conversion and there's elimination. So most women in the just sphere of endometriosis, they will have higher estrogen levels because they can't metabolize and break them out. But that's more of a liver issue. And so they don't realize that they're having problems with phase one and sometimes phase two the liver.

So therefore, if they're not broken down and change, they're going to just recirculate. So then there's still a production of the egg being stimulated, more estrogen's coming out. And then women say, I'm estrogen dominance. I have all these things. I'm like, your body's going to still produce the estrogens need to. It's just that what's going to happen now is the fact that because you can't clear them out and metabolize them. they're just going to recirculate, so we're just going to keep on building up.

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Well, and now remember, now understand, now understand this, though, a woman is different than a metapausal woman, which is different than a male. I'm 49 years old and I go 100 miles an hour every single day, okay? Oh, I know that. I know you. And, but the idea is this, and because I have testosterone levels at 851, I do all things that way. the way I eat, everything like that. But here's the point.

With a woman during the, like we talked about the last time, there's really four stages to a woman's cycle. You know, they have week one, week, two, week, three, four. And there's times by nature, energy is going to be a little bit low. And women that are cyclic, if they don't understand that, they think there's something wrong because they don't realize that fact that, you know, there's a greater state of repair during sometimes. There's times that stress can affect you a lot greater.

There's times that once again, everything from digestion changes everything. And so therefore, they think there's something wrong. I'm like, no, what area are you on? And that's a big thing. So as a woman moves into the metapausal ages, it's easier to keep more stability. It really is because they don't have the big fluctuations like cycling. So what if you're chronically fatigued? You're just always tired.

I mean, outside of the. That's not normal. Okay. No, there's, they're going to be everything from adrenal problems to estrogen problems and potassium problems. All those contribute dramatically. What should women specifically ask for when getting their hormones tested? It's really simple.

They need to look at two. things. They need to be able to, if they just start this in their own investigation, get your estrogens measured. So therefore, there's going to be a bigger lab test done in order to get those done. And you can't just get it from blood. And you can't just get it from urine. That's being in combination. If they're not done completely, so if they just research it alone, say, hey, I want to get my estrogens and my metabolites measured. And so therefore, it would cause the doctors to look deeper into it that way. And they'd have to run specific labs that way and get them done and start there.

But then what happens this? Everything is connected. This concept that we have specialist doctors, I know why they have specialist doctors, but it's also a little bit

misleading because immediately somebody has something wrong they send them to a specialist. And I did come up with a definition of a specialist I never told you. A specialist is a person

that knows more and more about less and less. This is why people get mad at you. Yes, they do. But no, but I'm okay with it. I want to, if somebody has a brain tumor, I want a brain specialist

to walk. I don't want a podiatrist, okay, a foot doctor. But here's what happens to this. The body isn't separated parts. It's not. For example, let's go back to the women that have endometriosis. It's very common for them, the thyroid problems. Because why?

Because estrogen can affect the carrier molecules that affect the thyroid. So therefore, they separate them. They act like their female hormones and their thyroid hormones. They're all the same thing. They all talk back and forth each other. Every organ system talks each system. And that's why if you eat something bad, it can affect you from physically, psychologically, because the GI has endocrine responses,

neurological responses, digestive responses, all the hormonal responses. And we separate the body. So I believe that, like my example is, I believe you need fire department doctors. I need you being carpenter doctors. The reason why our stuff got so popular, and even on your show, was because we were to speak in carpenter language. And it made so much sense. Like even right out people had never heard it.

No. And because we are so dominant. We're so dominant in a form of health care, which I believe is needed. I think they reach way too far most of the time. And that's why so many people are medicated today. And some simple lifestyle things could really change a lot of things for a lot of women. What should men be asking for when getting their hormones tested? Same thing.

I get the same thing that you had done. Same exact thing. It's just that in what you'll find out, what you're going to find out more, it's going to lead you to different causes that are there. Because you're going to notice that we talked the last time. Women are so massively affected by mental stress. They really are. and it's so evident on labs. And that's why, and I learned that young as a doc,

that all of a sudden I was sitting there going, I was testing everybody, I'm going, okay, listen, I started running all these labs and like, man, women's stress hormones are so high most of the time. And then how it affected the rest of their endabolic responses compared to males. Males, if they have a mental stress, they will have certain endocrine responses, but they won't have the deficiencies that come with it.

They'll have more GI issues and things that to come with it. See, I think it's harder for a guy, to realize, I think something's not right with my body unless it's like very obvious. Like you got a broken ankle. I feel like men, it's just in your all's nature to kind of put it out of sight, out of mind, or ignore things. Not really. Let me explain why.

Okay. You brought it up at the beginning. You said, as being hormonal, you know, a bad thing. Understand that estrogens make you a lot more sensitive. So if a man is super sensitive, he's got something wrong. Well, let me tell you this. If you start to see a man start to cry and act more woman-like, on regular basis.

I can tell you, and I've got thousands and thousands and thousands of labs. I can show you this, that they're starting to become more estrogen dominant. I literally had a pastor one time come in and said, I'm crying at movies,

I'm emotional, I don't want sex and things of that. And it's testosterone going down because estrogen's were going really high. And I'm like, physically, and we know this. With all the things going on today, we understand there's men injecting themselves

with estrogen and women injects injects themselves with testosterone, and they will take on those characteristics. They don't need, it's really fun. but if a man or woman has those kind of same admiral changes, they can physically and mentally present just like that. See, so women, I think that's why one of the greatest things,

women being sensitive, it makes them more aware. Now, guys, take a look at this. Estrogens make women more sensitive, and that's why they're better at finding problems than men are, even with themselves. So men by nature don't recognize the amount of problems because they're so, to satchel is so aggressive, it keeps them moving forward.

Women, by nature, if their body is off, their body so sensitive, it feels like they're falling apart, even when there's just some hormonal changes. And that's why you see men have more catastrophic deaths that all of a sudden, it's like, boom, they dropped to have a heart attack. Women actually have so much sensory aspect to it that way, that allows them to catch everything way time before. Ideally, how often should you get your hormones tested? I mean, is this every year, every five years? Well, and this is once again, there's no basis besides biased on this is, I believe, every year,

just because knowing the amount of stressors that people go through, and what they do their bodies. Now, obviously, a person's sick, they're going to go through a lot more extensive, a lot more times, but just the fact that once a year is a really good time to do it. I was thinking, you know, is there a type of person who isn't a good candidate

for getting your hormones tested? And let me explain my theory. If you're somebody who has never changed your diet, you're not physically active. Like, there's lifestyle things that you haven't been willing to change, then is getting your hormones tested even worth it? Like, should you focus on those things first before hormone testing? Let's make this blanket.

thing. Lifestyle things are by far the most important thing. By far. By far. I mean, I've actually had people come in, both men and women, and I just sat down with them, and they just ate so much processed food and so much processed sugar. I said, listen, please don't start. Avoid, you know, eat a little bit more carnivoreish, eat it a little bit more, you know, things this way, and come back in three months. Okay, so about three months. Get your stuff right, then make an appointment three months later. Yeah, because you know why? Because basically, you're just going to see a whole cascade of things off. And that's why I think, and that's why if you took any person, any person that Jimmy has ever walked in, any of my offices across the world in 25 years,

guess what happens? If they first made lifestyle changes, they would see a dramatic change in health. And some of the most simplest things. And that's, that's why it's frustrating for me when somebody comes in with some health condition that they've been through all these things in gamuts of drugs and surgeons and things that I'm going. And they never told them to make any kind of change whatsoever yet. What are you going to see on a Dutch test that you won't see on just blood test. Well, remember, so to give people the audience a little bit more context to him, when you look at hormones, you have to get a array of different things done. So blood gives you certain levels and then urine gives you other specific levels. And when you look at there's a

production and there's a conversion and then once again, they get eliminated. So therefore, when you look at some of them metabolites, that's why they even call metabolites, they are produced, once again the ovary releases and specific hormones and they actually go to your liver and other organs and convert to other forms that need to be used for the body. So the Dutch can grab those that

aren't produced once again in the blood and actually measured there. Okay, because the Dutch test is a urine test and you do it at home. Yep. So that's one thing that's interesting. You make an appointment with someone like Dr. Patrick Flynn, one of your wellness weight clinics. And then they give you a Dutch test. You take it home and it's just like little, I did this, it's little cards that you pee on and it gives you all of the directions and then you

mail it in. And then your office will tell them what the, what the results say. Yep, you get the results back. And usually at that time, you also synergiously do your blood because you want to have them done roughly the same day. And so therefore, then you can correlate both the things that you have, now you have a complete view what's going on and you can sit down and go over everything. And men do the same thing, Dutch test and blood test? Yep. Okay. What are the most common hormone irregularities you see in men? Um, testosterone low. Testosterone low. Testine. progesterone, psychotically low on most women and testosterone, dramatically low on men.

It's getting worse. It's getting worse. When I tested guys 25 years ago compared now, it's dramatic. What's causing that? Lifestyle. Okay, I will tell you that. I'm a big component that women are really destroyed by mental stress. Men are destroyed by the lifestyle and I think they overconsume glucose way too much for

way too long time. And so therefore, they end up having more. Petopose tissue, which can take our testosterone and convert it into estrogens. What do you mean by glucose? Where do you get that? Sugar. You know, saying you look at your, and I know a lot of people, sometimes they understand that we just did a whole no sugar in January. Now, you're wrong. You need carbohydrates. You do. It's just that people consume them so much for so long period time, that their glucose and their insulin levels and their hemoglobin AAC continues to get higher and higher. And therefore, there's consequences to it.

And so therefore, we're seeing a lot more aromatasing of their testosterone, which means converting it. Because carbs get converted into sugar. Yes, because, well, the majority of them do. But if you have higher fiber ones, they're better for you. So for example, as most people know if they ever watch my stuff, I'm a huge fan of the carbohydrates that are high in fiber. So I love sourcrow. It's my favorite thing. You know, saying it's like, if you ever came up to the Flynn household, you're going to have to eat liver and sauerkraut.

Oh, boy. You do. You don't get out of my house without it. And because therefore the nutrients you get is so massive from, you know, an organic great grass-fed liver. And then sourcrout, once again, the fiber and everything that comes from it, high vitamin C, vitamin Ks and stuff that. And sourcrow, am I right? That's a fermented food. Yes, it is. Femented. And that's like a big thing, like including a lot of fermented foods in your diet. That's supposed to be really good.

Yes. Yes. And so that's why sometimes people confuse because I'm like a really, really high protein kind of person. Women don't eat enough. They don't even. I'm closer enough. How much protein should a woman be eating every day? It's going to surprise you. Can I guess? Yes. 50?

That, put this way, that would make most women sick. What? Dude, I feel like I struggle so much trying to get protein. Like, I am really counting. I'm counting grams of protein in every single thing I eat, trying to get to 50 every day. I don't know how to eat that much. Basically, look at this. Look at, take one pound and convert dead to gram.

So if you weighed 120 pounds, I'd want you to do 120 grams. I'm sorry. I just don't understand how it's physically possible for a woman. It's like I can't even, I'm not even hungry enough to get that much. So what we do? And see, that's one thing. Well, well, and you'll hit satiety pretty quickly with proteins. And therefore, you don't force it.

I feel like that's like 10 chicken breasts a day. Well, it depends when I would, I would, I look at, and what really what you want to do is, is if you do have a lower protein kind of, which I don't want you to do, then there's specific proteins you do want to have. have. There's wonderful research out there. One of the major amino acids, because there's 20 major amino acids that we know of. I always say that we know of because we always discovered more things. And if you look, there's nine of them that are essential, which means you have to eat them. And there's one in particular I really like the most. It's called leucine. And because here's what happens is it really

stimulates muscle protein synthesis. And if you look at the amount of people as they get older, what they do is their protein consumption goes down dramatically. They start losing muscle mass. And a lot of people fall in Passway post that because they can't. recover. And so I just like to see and see people from like my little girls, my 10-year-old daughter. Yeah, what are they eating? What are you having your 10-year-old daughter eat? Because it's pretty much what I'm going to have to do. She gets up and she makes a great organic duck egg. And then she has a, then she has a nice chunk about really about 0.1 pounds of liver worst in the morning. And then she'll have usually like a chicken breast and some green

and sourcrowds of them. And at night, then we'll have some protein source with some, you know, some form of fermented vegetable. I cannot wait to see what this girl is like when she's my age. Oh, she's awesome. Oh, my gosh. I cannot wait. Yep. Like, you know, that's so cool because you get to, like, test all this stuff on her from very

young to see how she is as an adult. My 20-year-daughter has been eaten that since she was little. And once again, she never had to go through any health consequences that of her friends did and everything. And that's why my daughters, they kind of laugh a little bit, not in a negative way, but they're like, they watch their friends go through PMS and all things. And they're like, oh, dad was right. Well, and now my oldest daughter is following my footsteps.

Oh, cool. So she's currently in school right now doing the same background I did and everything. So it's kind of exciting. What is this hair test that can tell you how minerals are moving through your body? There's some validity to it that way. I look at more the toxicity component that comes to it that way because you can notice if you are released in certain toxic elements, it can be done in hair and stuff. And in certain hair samples, you can take certain things. There's just better labs out there.

Okay. Okay. That's what I want to know. Some are better than others. What about testing your gut microbiome? What can that tell you? If you ever think this way is a lot of people end up with internal infections. It's very common. And what ends up happening is the majority of infections are just overgrown bacteria that we normally have or a parasite or even end of viruses that way. So what does, it just gives us a good map of some of the things that need to be done internally. And you'd be surprised. It gives us a very good clue of like what part of this GI system is actually. having the biggest problem. You know, you can actually do a stool test and see once again if you are, you know, have a not digestion your fats probably, so it could be a gallbar problem.

You can actually see there's not enough protein breakdown so you don't have enough stomach acid in your system that way. So what they do is just give you very good clues of what things are going on. And if you do have any microbial overgrowth, then what happens is, but you know what's really funny, you can usually catch that in blood work first. You can see like your lymphocytes go high or you're triggering an autoimmune condition. You don't know why. You could have some late infection in your body. It could be residing even in your intestinal tract. And that's why some of the stool testing does a very good job. Now, you didn't have me do the gut microbiome test. How come? Because we just got your labs back. Oh, okay. So that is something that happens after?

Yes. Oh, okay. See, I don't know. So you do the Dutch test, you do the blood test, and then you do other things. So here's what happened if you want to get into a little bit. So your labs came back. And obviously, there were some things we found, and you have a major immune problem. And what's really throwing off your hormones is actually your immune system. And so therefore, it's quite evidence so that when you take these labs anywhere you go, people are going to say, well, you have this. And where your frustration come and being so young, you understand that if this would have been left, you know, all of a sudden, once again, you'd hit a wall, you're all hormones would tank. And all of a sudden, you'd be like, oh, there we go. There's your fire. But this has been going on for years,

especially at how high your levels were. And so therefore, and then if you look at some of your immune markers came back, which showed that you have an infection sitting in there. And therefore, once again, so that's why, so now your hormone system was telling us kind of, and I think about it, I mean, we're telling us, hormones are messengers. So these levels came out, said, listen, there's an infection here. So now you have to dig a little deeper to find out what it is. Okay. Yeah, we're going to dig deeper into what all my lab said. And I'm willing to be 110% transparent. Okay. Even if it's embarrassing, you can say it. I already prep my team. I already told the guys on the video team. I was like, you might hear some, you know, about my poop.

or whatever, I don't know. But anyway, before we do that, I'm going to run through a couple common problems that people have and then just rapid fire what you think they may be deficient in if they struggle with this. Chronic fatigue. Adrenal issues, so I would say number one, vitamin C. Always waking up at 3 or 4 a.m.

Bloodsure issues, therefore vitamin D would be a huge issue there. Brittle nails. Protein deficiency. Constipation. Magnesium deficiency. Heavy periods. Host hormone problems and there's, yeah, there's no single thing. Brain fog.

It's going to sound funny. Lack of glucose in the brain. Okay. Okay. Sensation of pins and needles. B1 deficiency. Muscle pain. Oh.

Potassium deficiency would probably be number one. That was so fun. Mm-hmm. See, I just did a reel that got probably 20 million views on this. And I said, I really get frustrated that people talk about root causes. Because you know why? Because there is no root cause. There's always multiple things that go on.

And so that's why it's like a this for that. It's still hard for me to do that way because your issues have multiple things going on. That's going to get the crunchy community all up in arms. Oh, they say we go for root cause. No one goes for root cause because I've never met a woman or a guy that just has one thing going on. It's impossible. virtually impossible and stuff because there's so many factors that do it. I just learned a new life hack that I've implemented into my skincare routine that I have to tell you about.

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And it'd be more classified like Hashimoto was that way. And so therefore, that wasn't really surprised concerned. That's why we ran it. And it's given an idea, so it give you ranges and optim as we talked about before. You know, you want to be less than 60. You were at 1,280. On my thyroid. And then that was just one of your army markers.

Then you actually had your thyroid glove and antibody, which was elevated also. So it shows destruction of your thyroid and shows destruction some of the things that happen within the thyroid itself. And therefore, once again, now what it does, if that continues, it manifests into major thyroid issues. And then people start seeing their hormones levels go low. And then if you look at the standard of care for someone has a low thyroid, they'll put them on some form medication. You have a levitrox or synthroid. And that's just a T4 replacement. And it never addresses what really caused the whole factor in the first place.

So the immune issue now creates a destructive aspect to the endocrine response. And now there's endocrine changes. And it can change anything from your, from energy, skin, hair, nails, all the stuff we talked about before. And therefore, people are like going, oh, my goodness, I don't know what's going on. So these things, and to be at 1,200, this had to happen a long time ago. That's what I wondered. How long has this been going on for me? To be that elevated, no one's going to ever truly know, but years and years and years.

Like childhood or no? Could have been. No one's going to, they said, that's one thing. That's why this stuff should have been tested. For example, the same blood work and the same urine work I did on you, my 10-year-olds had, my 14-year-olds had. They've had it every single year since they're 10 years old. So my 20-year-old has had at least 10 or so test done. It's the same thing you've had done.

And once again, her numbers are perfect. Okay. How sure are you that it's Hashimoto's is what it might be? Well, once again, I don't really give you the diagnosis because I don't really care. But if you just look up the TPO antibody being that elevated, there's a, an immune factor contributes to that and so they diagnose that and created that. Dr. Hashimo is the one that came up with that. What causes thyroid problems like what I have? Well, once again, here's the thing that needs to be looked at. You have major immune issues. And so therefore,

the immune issue now translates into that now. And if you look, your lymphocytes came back very elevated. So therefore, it shows that you have a certain infection sitting there because lymphocytes are your TNV cells. So what does that mean? An infection where? We don't know. Your labs, remember, your labs dictate and tell us what's going to be. on, then we got to dig a little deeper. Okay. And so that's what I need to do like a gut microbiome test for? Yes. Yep. Price probably probably a little bit more than that, considered due to lymphocytes are elevated. But they said there could be viral, there could be bacterial, there could be parasitic. We need to find out. What are the other types of tests that you would recommend I do?

Right now it'll be another blood work and then actually a stool by far. Because once again, you have to find those immune triggers and stuff and that's quite self-evident from what your blood work came back in. That's what I'm wondering because you know what? Everybody's been telling me, they're like, oh, you're going to have to go gluten-free. Do I have to go gluten-free? Probably only for the rest of your life. Are you kidding me? I don't want to be gluten-free. I hate those people. It's so annoying. I don't want to be that person. Well, here's what happens. There's mimicry that happens with that protein. And so therefore, it kind of triggers the immune response and leads to some problems. So that's why you see it very common in the whole gluten-free

community that they avoid those things because they see less, you know, autonomy responses. Now, you've probably seen this because they've been on your shows. And I mean, not yours, but I mean, just training point self, you know, Jordan Peterson and his daughter. Well, if you notice, they stick pretty much to carnivore. Well, the reason why they did so well on carnivore is because they pretty much limited most of the immune triggering food there are.

Oh. And that's why they saw a positive response. Okay. Now, I would like to talk to Jordan and his daughter because there's good. going to be some deficiencies that they're missing. Like recently at my show, I just did a talk about, I call it carnivore-ish. You know, if you want to do carnivore, you're just got to get all the building blocks. And you're missing even certain B vitamins and certain vitamin C and other things that you're

doing when you just do carnivore. So that's why people say, Doc, you're high protein, but you're carnivore. No, I'm not because you've got to get all of your fat, sova vitamins, all the vitamins and trace meals and minerals that you need that way. And I know it sounds funny, it's hard just getting it from muscle meats or even plant sources that way. So you need to do a combination of things that. way to do it that way. So that's why you'll see it's very common for on immune people to avoid

gluten and it's more of a higher immune triggering based food. Okay, here's the thing, though, if you make sure that things like pasta are gluten-free, whatever, but otherwise the bread that you eat is homemade sourdough, for example, can I eat that or that doesn't count? Do you want the good or bad news? No, I am so... Well, see, that's the consequence of... What if it's organic sourdough starter, no? Well, then you just have organic immune triggering things. Dang it. That's like, that's like what got me in health when I was young. I was reacting to an egg.

People say, well, why don't you just eat organic? I guess I'll be organically sick. You know what I was saying? So I know. And see, that's the tough part. But see, here's what happened to this. We're not talking supplementation. We're not talking drug.

We're not talking things you need taken by. We're saying, listen, just you have to avoid these things that could be detrimental for your body. Right. And see, and nobody is the same. And see, that's the part where we're. We're trying to say gluten-free is good for everybody or this is good for everybody. Well, that doesn't make sense. See, that's where labs can really dictate what a person needs.

So I'm just, I am against, like, tribal thinking in all health care. But I just thought that the reason that some people need to be gluten-free or the reason they react is because they're reacting to chemicals that are just put on, like, American breads and things. Well, there can be some truth to that. Okay. But it's been so researched quite well on the immune-truging effects of gluten to the system. so therefore, you know, you just see a very positive response. Okay, so the other thing that I was looking up when it comes to Hashimoto's, which again, you can't diagnose me.

I have to do that somewhere else. Take to any primary doctor if you want to diagnosis, but they won't do it for insurance purposes anyways, but you can take your last area. This is your prediction. So I can go and find out and we'll see what they end up saying. But this is your prediction. So let's just say if, hypothetical, if it is Hashimoto's, I read a lot about avoiding soy. Now, one thing about me, I don't eat a lot of soy.

I mean, because I don't eat processed food. food. So where else do you find soy products? Well, here's what happens is I know what they're saying about soy because of the gerogenic effect of the thyroid that way. But once again, you can find it more as additives. And if you're not really directly eating soy on a regular basis. And I think that the soy thing, once again, soy is, if you talk to the vegan community, that's their, that's their holy grail because it does has the highest, most available protein of any really vegetable source that way. and so therefore that's why they use a lot. But unless you're consuming at high levels, I wouldn't say I wouldn't.

Now, once again, obviously there's GMO factors and everything there, but I wouldn't make it like a huge thing for you to avoid them. Okay. So what is the difference between hypo and hyperthyroidism? Well, when you look at there's two major hormones, well, it's really four, but there's two major hormones, T3 and T4 and then free T4 and free T3. When those levels start to go low, then what happens is the metabolic rate and everything starts to slow down because,

Once again, T4 is the main one produced by authority and a little bit T3. And then T4 goes to your liver and converts in the major T3. And those things contribute. So if those start to go low, you start to go in hypo. If those were elevated, that would be considered graves. And therefore, you're going to go up to a high level and you can start having all those negative symptoms that come from the T4 and T3 being elevated. What do I have? So you still are considered once again just in basically Hashimoto's view.

So it can, the autoimmune aspects triggered. So it can actually go either way. Hypo or hyper. Okay, because this is what I was wondering. I was looking at the symptoms for this. And I have everything except weight gain or inability to lose weight. I've always been really small my entire life. But otherwise, brittle nails, hair loss.

In September, I told you, in September, I was getting my hair colored. And my hair colorist said, hey, obviously, I'm not a doctor. you need to go get your stuff checked, but I am guessing you have a thyroid issue. You are losing so much more hair than you should be just in an hair wash. So she warned me about that. True.

I have that symptom. Majorly out of nowhere in the last three to five months, I am struggling so much with joint pain, tingling feeling. I feel like my legs are constantly restless. I thought it was magnesium. So I've been making sure I've been putting magnesium lotion on every night. and because I can't stay in this like restless leg feeling.

And my joints, it's just like pain in my knees all the time. And listen how embarrassing this is. My massage therapist, I get a massage once a month. He's trying to move my arms around. And he's got like a little Asian accent. And he's so cute. And he said something like, you like T-Rex. Like my arms are always bent.

It's very hard for me to straighten my arms and my limbs. I'm so stiff. Extreme joint stiffness. Definitely, it talked about like highs and lows and moods. And my boss, when I told my boss about this, she was like, oh, I'm not surprised at all. You have the highest highs and the lowest lows. When I am in a low mood, it's like nobody can motivate me or get through to me. I'm like, the world is ending.

My podcast sucks. Everything's failing. You know, and then I will have a great day. And I'm like, everything's great. It's just I am like that. So she wasn't surprised by that symptom. And what are, oh, constipation. I've been very open about this with my audience.

I didn't know until the last couple years that it's not. normal to not poop every day. I would poop once a week or something and I just thought, oh, that's just how my body works. Nope. Nope. And that's why I said, you look at how high your antibodies is going on. It's been going on for a long time. And it's very common, if you have one triggered, you're going to have usually multiple triggered. So one of the things that will do when we look for some viruses and things that hanging out your body, we'll probably run the other automa markers to see if those are evident two, which can be all the other tissue destruction that you could be experiencing. Okay. So what else did it say about, um,

There was something alarming in my labs about progesterone. Well, yeah, but let's start here. Now, it's kind of funny because you live in Phoenix. Okay. I'm in Green Bay. It's very common for people to have major vitamin D deficiencies. You live in Phoenix and you have major vitamin D deficiency. You came back at 25.

I'm an indoor cat. Yeah. I try to tell people. So by nature, if you ever look at seasonal effective disorder, it's the only known really factor causes low vitamin D. And yours was clinically low, very low and stuff. So once again, so therefore, now one skin, people say, well, doc, would you recommend and taking some vitamin D?

Yes, but I live in Green Bay. I have no choice. You want to get your skin on the sun on a regular basis and stuff, especially living down here. And so vitamin D was pathologically low. And one of the major factors that causes vitamin D to actually can suppress and bring that marker down is just normal vitamin D levels. And so that's why I said, okay, based on your labs and see a lot of people say,

what doc should every take vitamin D? there's a justification that most people need it, even kids, but if you don't know what your lab is, you don't know how much you should really do. That's why if you notice, I gave you a judgment based on your lab, what you do. You said 20,000 IU. Yep.

20,000 a day? Per day. Okay, well, we have to talk about this because you said go to Whole Foods or whatever. And so I looked and I didn't, you told me to get vitamin D K2. Why? Because here's what happens. When vitamin D started to get really popular in the 90s, they started taking like crazy.

But once again, vitamin D helps mobile. calcium. So taking it for long periods of times, what it can do can actually relate to kidney stones and other calcification problems. So what they realize, guess what happens, K2 is the major vitamin that directs calcium where it goes. So they found out once again that with having that balance, there's been less chance I've actually had a negative side effects from taking vitamin D itself. How do you know if you need to be taking regular vitamin D or vitamin D K2? I don't think anybody should take vitamin D without taking K2 with it. Okay. And now, once again, I'm a huge K2 person to eat.

And obviously, you should always get it from your food. But if you're taking vitamin D, you should take it together. I just, I had a hard time in the grocery store finding, you said 20,000 IU a day for a week. And then I go down to 10,000 IU. All of the vitamin D K2 bottles and things I was looking at. Yeah, it's like, so am I supposed to be taking 20 pills a day? I just, I was freaked out. You can get much higher dose ones that way.

I couldn't find any. So you're going to have to tell me later, like what brand or what I need to be ordering because in the grocery store, I was like, I am not in the gummies. they had all these options. And then a lot of them, it said sunflower oil and all this crap in there. And I'm like, I don't know about all this. So I held off. There are good sources.

And that's true. I was trying to tell people there's good ones you can get that way and stuff from different places. So yeah. Okay. So now that I did this lab work with you, we have these results. What is my next step? I need to make an appointment with who.

Like my functional medicine doctor? Well, it depends if they know what they're doing. Okay. How do you know? How do you know if somebody knows what they're doing with this? That's the conundrum. What about a Hashimoto specialist? Well, once again, the most that they would do,

they'd probably even suggest some steroids for you just because of your levels of high. Oh, yeah. So that's the other thing I was going to ask about. A lot of people talk about with an autoimmune disorder and especially Hashimoto's, they're on some low dose of medication. Do you LDN.

But that's more from an integrative doctor. They'll sometimes do LDN. But what happens a lot of times if they see markers as LVAs yours, they'll want to calm the immune system down. So they'll use a form of steroid, which is really detrimental, so I don't recommend that. So what else could I do if I don't want to do steroid? Well, if you think this way, first of all, there are factors where I found in your labs by vitamin D and other things that can be done. But here's the biggest factor.

We look at any autoimmune condition, there is still some major triggers in there that did it. So that's why even if you took steroids, even if you did vitamin D, even if you did things to try to counteract it, even if you void the gluten, okay? I guess what happens? It's only going to drop so much. because of your labs it showed that you had an internal infection, seeing their lymphocytes go high like that. And so therefore, it's just about digging them and actually find them and start and get rid of them. And then you're going to see those markers start to come down dramatically. And you don't think it's something like could be a sign of like leukemia or something.

No. Your other markers didn't show that. Okay. My cholesterol looked really high. Is that something I should be worried about? No, because here's what happens is your total cholesterol is fine. You had just a small elevation of your LDL, but obviously look at the state you're in. See, people think of this way, LDL levels high for a long period of time can actually, you know, lead to some problems. But here's what happens. If you think of this way, LDL is a carrier molecule.

And your body right now is a state of repair. So I expect that to be elevated. It's remember, your body saying, hey, I need to, you know, mobilize these things for repair. And so therefore, what am I going to do? I'm going to use a carrier protein from our liver and shift it out like crazy. And therefore it starts to elevate. And so people see it elevate and they go,

oh my goodness, we got to knock it down. Remember, this is where, this is where a lot of thinking, even the natural drives you nuts a little bit. We've lost how intelligent, smarter body is. And I tell people, blood work, exams, everything should be like an observation of what's it doing. You know, I tell people, hormones are by definition called messengers. Well, listen to the message, you say, and it can lead you to some amazing things. And that's why I'm coming from the background I had, it was interesting. I got to look at the body differently.

And I said, okay, listen, there's got to be a way of actually figuring this stuff out. And then I've been able to prove it clinically. And so the nice thing is this, your blood work and your Dutch tests once again are abnormal. But you know what some most exciting things are? Yes, you can see all the symptomatology and all the things that you suffer with change. But it's great watching those labs back normal. So everybody that's watching us right now, we're talking about how off it is. But the exciting part is watching you recover and watch them come down.

And see, nobody can argue that. They can say, they can try to argue the messenger. They can probably say that my doctor's care practice. And so therefore it's different. I'm like, yeah, but that education allowed me look at things differently. And so therefore, because you look at this way, just some of the things people are watching about right now, like this makes so much sense. It's not done that way.

Yes, because conventionally, they're taught to think this way. We recognize the body is very intelligent. Okay. And so therefore, that's why we sit there and go everything that we base, there's a structural component that can, you know, be a stressor to the body. And you're saying we is in chiropractice. Yes, yes. And the majority of our profession has just tried to become just like medicine.

That's all they've done. Trying to be in natural therapy for some condition. They try to fit in. But that's not how our profession started. That's why the biggest thing that any medical person watching or any person that could try to, you know, debate what I'm saying, they can't argue the message so they have to tear on the what? The messenger.

And they go, but no, no, no. It's my degree. It's my education on that one that just got me to recognize. to say, listen, the body's massively intelligent. And so, therefore, if you look at the end stage of a disease, what it took to get there, there was clues along the way. And the body was actually giving you clues and alarms and hormone levels and lab levels that actually go off.

And we can catch that. And they're on. There's sometimes things get so bad that drugs and surgery are eminent. Like said, your house catches on fire. You have no choice. Okay. And then my other education and in my other school and all my post-crust. graduate education, I started to put all these things together.

And so therefore, that's why when you look at your stuff that way, you go, okay, listen, those markers are so elevated. Okay, the body's telling us the immune system is highly triggered. So guess what happens? You can try to alter medication. You can try to even try to naturally give some things that way. But I thought digging to find out what's triggering the immune system. And once again, in your labs.

So once again, and no doctor is going to look at your labs, what we ran, and say that they're not normal. I mean, that they're not abnormal because they are. It's just that they may take a little different approach. So am I, based on where I'm at here, and that, I mean, are we catching this early or we're catching this late? Well, we caught it. In the middle?

We caught in the middle. Okay. Because here's why, because there's certain hormone levels that were thrown off. But having that elevated, it should have been a lot worse. Okay. So my question is, do you think that there is going, there is a path for me that I won't have to do a medication or am I likely going to have to, in your opinion? It depends how much you want to avoid gluten.

Okay, okay. So, yeah, so this is where you're saying some lifestyle changes. It depends on how much they're willing to do. If a person is not willing to make lifestyle changes under person of my direction, I would tell you now you would start and just find a medication. I will literally refer you to a doctor and say you'll be on their medication rest of your life and you'll have major consequences from it, but it's your choice. See, that's the difference.

And the majority of Americans, once they're shown, they say, listen, that they can do it, they want to make some changes. But there's some people that won't make any changes. And as a doc, I have to say that then guess what happens? Don't start. You'd be very disappointed because we understand that's hard to avoid certain things. Does Hashimoto's affect your lymph nodes? It affects everything. It's an immune condition.

Remember, the immune system affects every tissue in cell of the body. So I guess I just don't know much about autoimmune disease. Just imagine it's a highly inflammatory condition. And if you look at there's one thing that every doctor, even your dentist will agree with, even a pediatrist agree with, the start of every condition starts with some inflammatory response. And it's really funny. So I pulled out some recent research. And I'll keep this off so we don't get kicked off. Pull out some major research because I predicted this before it happened.

And I said, listen, with over the last three years, the government, in a certain political party really pushed a certain form of treatment during our pandemic. And what you're now seeing is those things have created now, and I have some wonderful research, and I'll even send it to you so you can put it in the links below, showing that getting that form of treatment that the government wants you get, the rate of Hashimoto and Omine disease have skyrocketed. I didn't do that. Skyrocket.

No, you didn't. But here's what happens is that. That's the immune trigger. Okay. See so foods, viruses, bacteria, parasites. it's, heck, mental stress. All these things can be immune triggers. See, and they're different for everybody.

So when someone comes and says, hey, they read a book on Hashimoto's and said, hey, guess what? I cured my Hashimoto's. I'm like, great. I don't disagree with them. But that path for them is not the same for everybody else. Okay. And that's where it gets frustrating in a natural world saying that there's protocols or in

the medical world saying there's protocols because there's no two people that are individually the same. It's impossible. And so that's why when I talk about, when I talk about the rate of Hashimoto's going up like crazy or even graves going up, it's because those form of treatments are, guess what, are very immune triggering. If you look at what happens, what they do with children and adults and stuff that in the last three years, they're triggering pieces for people's immune systems. That's why, if you ever look, there's so many immune diseases and they keep going up at a rate that's

unprecedented, and that causes degeneration to people's bodies. Could what I have affect my fertility? Absolutely, Kim. Absolutely. Tell me about that, because I thought my progesterone level levels looked really high. Well, here's what happens. Projection levels were abnormal, and that's okay. I mean, they can get back to normal. They were high or they were low? Here's what happened.

Okay, so therefore, when your production was elevated, but your metabolism was low. So therefore, that's why in one lab they were elevated and another they were what? They were low. And so it shows you that you're having a problem with your liver because you're not bringing it through the phases to convert that and move that out. and so it starts to build up. And so if I don't get this fixed, it could, am I more likely for miscarriage or not being able to get pregnant at all?

Yeah, you have a higher rate of, you know, of infertility and stuff. And that's one thing. That's why when Christy, my wife, presented with all these things going on, just by running labs, I'm like, okay, here's what we need to do. And you're wrong, and I have to make this very clear. Nobody, including you, has ever seen me or one of my docs or anything like that in history, unless they've already been through all this stuff already. I don't mean labs, I mean some horrible things.

And so most people end up coming to us because of the failed issues that go on that way. And then we just run some lab work and say, okay, listen, here's what got going on. And they're just flabbergast, just like you are. You know, you're sitting there going, that's why you can take your lab. You can take it to any doctor of any kind and they won't disagree with it. They'll just look and they'll say, here's what some things we could do with it. If it's Hashimoto that I have, how would I get it under control? It's just getting rid of gluten and.

No. No, so always remember this. there are immune triggers. Okay. And so it's about finding them. It really is. And as you start to remove them from the body, then guess what happens? Your immune system is not being triggered.

And so therefore, that macro will start to come down. Now, the current medical system will tell you it never come down. They will tell you it won't come down, but we'll prove them wrong. So I need to do a gut microbiome test. Do I need to do a food allergy test? Not right now. Okay. Because here's why.

Because your lymphocytes on your labs were so elevated that guess what happens? It shows that there's infection. So can there be foods right now that could be more inflammatory for you? Absolutely. But once again, we talked about this before. If we can, if we find that major immune trigger of being some microbial, we don't know what it is yet. Then what's going to happen is you're going to find yourself reacting less to foods. And believe it or not, you could react less to the gluten later in life that way. What do you think about red light therapy for Hashimoto's?

Red light, well, remember, I've been going every day. But here's what happens. Use red light therapy as something positive. Don't use it as a treatment form. Because then people do as they see this what they do. They'll look at some condition, it'll look for something natural medical and don't realize and they'll do it and they say, oh, it didn't work. No, no, red light therapy is good for you regardless what's going on, even if you have nothing going on. Why do you like it? Remember, the full electric response to her body is no different than the sun.

There's different wavelengths that are fantastic for our tissues. There's certain frequencies that are fantastic for our tissues. So red light and actually the sun, people forget, do you understand, I'm going to go to Hawaii on Saturday? And do you know if you sit out in the beach and get just a beautiful amount of rays? Remember, don't burn your skin. Protect your skin. I mean, we've got to make sure that there's no burning.

But do you understand the amount of melatonin production that's produced for you? And that's why if you notice, you sit in the sun for a while, do you notice you get tired? You know, you sit in front of a fire. That photochemistry coming to you, okay, actually helps you produce melatonin. So that's why it's good to be in front of a campfire. It's good to be out in the sun. It's good. And it actually gets better sleep.

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but just healthier for your skin. That's Alevia.com with code Alex 15 for 15% off. As always, everything is in the show notes. Why not glutathione for Hashimoto's? Um, okay, here's why. Now, I have no problem if you go to like an interviewer, doctor and get like an IV bag of glutathione or even a shot, okay, which is really effective. It's just that the majority of it taken orally is a reduced form.

That means if you go to your liver, it has to be converted, guess what? You might not even be able to do it just because of the phase one problem that you have shown up on your labs. Would you say, based on my labs and what it showed about my liver, I know that alcohol is bad regardless. Yep. Is it exceptionally bad for me or just normal bad? Here's what happens.

If your liver is normal, alcohol is. bad. Okay. And yours is off. Okay. So it makes worse. And you are, you have some B vitamin deficiencies. You have some, and see, in no joke. Remember you talk about skin and hair. And so people take a biotin supplement. Well, you already tested that you're actually low in that already. It's on your lab. So what does that mean? We need to get you, um, sufficiency of it. I'm not a big drinker. I'm not a drink. I don't even drink once a week. Maybe once or twice a month. I like to have a couple cocktails going out or whatever. But I'm not a heavy partier or drinker anyway, but I just wondered if like I need to be like fully no alcohol whatsoever, which is heartbreaking. I love a cocktail.

We'll put it this way. You know, it's like it's like, it's like, it's like, um, walking around with a couple of pebbles in your shoe and just throwing one in your shoe every once a while. A little uncomfortable. Sorry, it's just, it's just irritated their body. See, if you think of this way, people, and this is why I tell people lifestyle things is getting them to change is the biggest thing. It's why we see so much disease today because people are triggering themselves on a regular basis. And I come along and I literally tell people, you need to make these changes. And if you don't, it just makes it more difficult. And sometimes non-recoverable if you don't make changes.

So you talked about how like the glutathione that you're going to find at your local whole foods or natural grocery or whatever, it's usually, it's usually a reduced form. There can be some benefit. It's just that, you know, I would say eat the foods that are going to be more productive of your own glutathione. And if you really want to take something clinically, then get a shot or do an IV bag of it. Okay. So how do you know if a brand is a good supplement or not? Sourcing is obviously the greatest, less preservatives, more of the organic, more whole food that way. Minimally processed is always the best. So there's companies out there that do a wonderful thing. Ours does an amazing thing.

Okay. But remember, but I don't want to say that. But I mean, there's just a lot of great companies out there. But see, if you notice, I think I want the listeners to know, it's really important to be guided by someone. It really is. Because a person that's guided that's going to guide you is probably going to give you a lot better advice than trying to research things as your own. And I'm a big person that shows people what to research and what to do and things of that. And so just having a guide is very important.

Could turmeric be helpful for me for anti-inflammatory purposes? Well, believe it not one thing I wrote on your protocol. Oh. Oh, I have a protocol? Oh, can you read it to me? I don't have it on me right now. So, yes, because there are things obviously I wrote for you that I want you to start on based on your labs right now. Oh, okay.

I didn't know that. Yep. Okay, great. What are some supplements that everybody should have in their medicine cabinet? Let's start this way. I want people to have none in their cabinet. Because they're just living so well. They're so healthy.

That's what I want, number one. Okay. And so I tell people's this is, remember, I'm such a big lifestyle person. And I'm not joking. I'm trying to get everybody to do the best, healthiest things first. And then, and then if you can't do certain habits and your deficient certain things, then we're going to need to what? Supplement things.

And it's not forever. One thing about the wellness way, you guys don't want people on supplements forever. It's a temporary thing to get you right. And then you should ideally be able to just live life, right? Right. And that's the thing. So it's like, but remember, that also takes lifestyle changes. Yeah.

And so that's, and there's a lot of people. Now, Durham, let's just go back to like where I live in Green Bay. Wonderful city. Guys, you're got to come up there. It's a beautiful city. But we don't get the sun available like you guys do down here. So I'm going to have to supplement with it a certain time per year. I will.

Otherwise, I will end up at low vitamin D levels. And then I could have mood and physical change that could happen from that way. So it's universal both men and women. Now, if you ever look at this way, I look at some of the things that are so vitally important. And I would tell people always this, start with your fat supplement supplements, just your D, K, you know, E. and because when you look at your fat subpo vitamins, they're so essential for everything we need in the body. They really are.

And you got to look at your trace minerals and stuff. And those things are, you know, so essential for people to have. And now once again, can you grab all those from your food? Absolutely. Now, there are a couple of medicinal herbs, I just think are just, you know, I did have had. What terrible?

No, I think are absolutely amazing. Oh, amazing? What are they? Number one, it's called Cisandra. It's actually known as the, longevity herb for women because it has such a major effect on their liver. I can honestly tell you, I can't remember my little girls have had it their whole life. My wife has had their whole life. It's almost, it's one of those remedies that are just if you look it up. Like I said, it's known to

help women in so many ways from stress purposes, the liver purposes. That's why it's known as a major longevity herb for women. And it's actually really known for beauty too and stuff. And that's why it helps with skin and our things. It's one of those one of those things that just kind of unanimously affects every woman. Why is that different than collagen? Remember, collagen has certain amino acids that you want, but it doesn't have the benefit to liver that something like Sissandra does. No, we need certain amino acids for our liver.

So the Sessandra, because you said I had liver issues, that might be really good for me. Sorry, right now. It's on my protocol. Now, I hate to use that word protocol because I would never want somebody. And that's why I'm so don't like to talk about certain things, because I don't want everybody right out saying, oh my goodness, Alex got a blood work done.

That's the problem. change and I'm going to take, and now I'm going to take the Alex Clark protocol. And if you don't have your own hormones tested, this could jack you up because what if you, you could be totally opposite than me. That's what you can't do. This is only for me. Nobody's allowed to copy me. That's right.

And that's big because I get frustrated in the natural field to where they publicize a supplement or an herb or things of that and they try to blanket across for everybody that way. And it's hard for me to accept that. Now, once again, are a couple things I believe that could be done that way. Sure. But the majority of things are just advertised like they're. a cure-all for every person and some of that. And not everything's good for everybody.

Yeah. Okay. So you like Sasandra for women a lot of times. And then what else? Supplies you really like. This is going to surprise people. But one of my favorite things of all time is called, it's just cameo. Oh, what if I just like chamomile tea?

It's fantastic. I think it should be done on a regular basis. It's just that the fact that I think they want to get a little higher concentration for people when they're starting a recovery process. Isn't that also good for inflammation? Yep. There's major effects from hormonal effects to digestive effects. So I love those.

Another thing I know it's really simple. Let's go back to even some ancient remedies. Do you understand that most of them were in tea form? Herbs that were liquefied in the tea forms. And so that's why I tell people, herbs are just ancient remedies that have been around for thousands of years. And that's why they have so much backing to them that way. And then, I mean, people, what they do. And here's one thing that if you ever look at medicine has done a wonderful job,

of people looking for the newest thing. You're saying, what's the newest thing coming out? And there's ancient things that've been around for thousands of years that we take for granted. We take for granted things like green tea. We take for granted that. And the constituents in green tea, what's going to have a homol effect,

have a digestive effect, have a neurological effect. And so those things, so you'll see a lot of times on my Instagram, me and my girls will have some green tea with lemons sitting in there. And you'll see that, I mean, and we don't realize, that if we can get people on these lifestyle things, just the amount of things that can change

and reverse in that process are big. So that's why I just, it's hard for me to really talk about supplementation without having a lab and try to generalize it because I don't want anybody to watch this podcast or any podcast I'm on and run out and buy something without any justification. Because a lot of people take stuff and I'll look and say,

well, let me see your labs that would help me at least dictate why you need to take that in the first place. Like, I don't have any done. I'm like, so, there's nothing universal for your body then. If somebody can only afford to get one to two hormone tests done, which one or two do you think it should be? What I would say is this. That would base it if you're cyclic or if you're metapausal. If you're cyclic, I'd want you to get the Dutch test.

And if you're metapausal, I'd want you, you could just get the blood work we had done. Okay? And I call it the thyroid hormones. Just because you're going to find out that most cyclic women don't have a lot of problems with production. Now, there are women that do so, just in general, but you ask me about if, you know, for cost purposes that way. Because therefore, they have a lot of conversion problems. See, if you really look at your labs, too, you have a lot of hormone conversion problems

because phase one and stuff of the liver that's going on with you. It's evident in your labs. And then when you're more metapausal, you have a production problem because women, once again, their body has their ovaries start to change and now they get a lot of, based on their adrenals and other production things.

So therefore, I want to see they're just even making enough. Okay. So that's why you would, if you want to divide them both up. And if somebody were to get all of the things, the gut microbiome, the blood work, the Dutch test, everything, about how much is that cost somebody? I'd say probably could range for maybe for $1,000 to $15.00 bucks. Okay. And where are your wellness way clinics located? From Hawaii to U.S., which U.S. have one in Ireland and more expanding. They're all over. They're, they're, yeah. Yeah, we have them all very best thing to do is go to the Wellnessway clinics or the Wellsway.com and you can see we have a map of all our clinics there and all our things.

We have ones here in Phoenix. We have, we have remember. And actually more pop up every single month. So if somebody wants to go to the wellness way, what is what is the process like? What can they expect? No different than going to hear a doctor. You're going to sit down and have a conversation with them. They're going to figure out what to do with you. And they're going to figure out some labs to do with you. Come back. Come down, sit down and kind of go over things with you. And during, like said, just like you, just like you. you, you know, got your lab some. And if you notice, if you notice, I didn't ask much what was going on. You know what's that? Yeah, you didn't. Because I don't really need to know. Yeah, because the labs told you everything. Thank you. See, that's the thing. That's what that. And see,

that makes so much sense to people. Because once again, I'm like going, nope, here's what happens. At your age, I knew you never had had your hormones tested properly. And so therefore, I'm like going, if I just did that to start, it's going to direct me to a lot of things to do. And so therefore, Or that's what I tell people, it's like, if you just start with that, it can, it can put you in a wonderful direction and start to give you things to do that way. And so therefore, my docs are trained extensively. And they're going to go through and find us some detail. Then figure out what labs do with you, sit down, go over and nothing and then then give you individualize what to do. And I will tell you this.

It's my recommendations are hard. I want to make that very clear by my recommendations are hard. They really are. just because they're so unconventional to what you've been trained your whole life. And because I want people to make such big lifestyle changes. That's the thing. Even you, even you used to talk about it. It's like, oh, you can just hear the strain and the emotional stress behind it because

you're asking people to change things. They're very emotional to them. Remind everybody what your book is called and what you cover in it. Oh, well, my first book that became an international bestseller was called I Disagree. And April 6th, we have my second book coming home. Now, I've written a bunch more, but these are ones that were made for the public and stuff. It's called I Still Disagree. Oh, and what's this one?

What do we look forward to in this? So it's, it takes a lot of the first one and builds upon, builds upon some major immune factors that we talk about, considering things that you're going through. Yeah, that's going to be perfect for me. And also, there is evidence of a person with, because I've dealt with this a lot, HIV. and also cancer. And so there are journeys. And so I tell people, this book is very similar to like a chicken soup for a soul.

Where the fact that it's like, it's good stories of people that have been through things and their labs and their recovery and things that. Like you told about, we've talked about your labs extensively. I'm hoping after you see not only all the beautiful changes that you want to see, but then when you get your labs redone, and because they will tell you things can't change.

And then you see them change. Guess what happens? evidence is right there. Where can people find you on Instagram? Ah, just Dr. Patrick Flynn. I will warn everybody, I've been kicked off of, I just recently, I kicked off a TikTok for some reason. No, are you serious? Yeah, and they let me back on by the idea aside.

A ton of followers and stuff of that. And Instagram blocks my account every once a while and YouTube, I've been kicked off twice. And I'm sharing just this information that you can just go simply look up. But because, because one of my main fact. and the idea with this immune system. Obviously, the last three years is what they really freaked out about the most, trying to give people good guidance on that. And I actually put a bunch of my predictions that were going to happen, knowing what they're

trying to do in the first place. And they all came true. So, of course, that, yeah. But you can't negatively affect the body with some chemical and not predict these things happen. It just, and then my ideas I proved to my labs. Well, I cannot thank you enough, Dr. Flynn, for helping me balance my own hormones for starting the journey.

I'm so excited because now see what you're saying. We'll have to do another test again in the future and then we'll see how it all played out. I'm going to do what you say. So we can make sure that, you know, I'm giving it a fair shot here. But I can't thank you enough for all this. I have, yeah, I've never done any of this before. And this is all part of my whole health and wellness journey that I'm on right now. I want to learn all this stuff and I want to make improvement.

So and I also know that you've changed so many of my listeners' lives. They would just be upset with me if I didn't thank you. you on behalf of them. I have gotten hundreds of messages and comments about you specifically and our first interview last July about how you totally changed their life, their marriage. They found out things that were wrong with them that nobody else had told them from going to your clinic. So just thank you all around. And I look forward to talking to you again. Thank you. Thank you very much. And for all you listening to before. I can't think enough for wonderful podcasts we had before. And looking to see how this one does. I know it's going to be wonderful

for all the great things we did today. I hope this episode was the kick in the pants that you needed to finally get your hormones tested. So many of my symptoms I thought were just me things. Do you ever have that? Things you're like, well, that's just me. That's just me. Because you experience it every day for years. And that was happening to me. And so I thought it was just normal. But these labs proved that they weren't normal. And so now I am beginning my journey to balance my hormones. And I think it would be so cool for you to do it with me. And then we can share together how much our health improves this year. Next week, I'm doing an episode that I have wanted to. to do for so long, but I really held out for this guest. I just didn't want to do it if I couldn't

get her. We are going to do the ultimate baby formula episode. Is there such a thing as healthier baby formula? What should a mother do if she's not producing milk? Why is baby formula one of the most controversial subsets of our food industry? She is the person that I first heard speak on this that alerted me to there even being a problem in this industry in the first place and fired me up. So I need to make sure that you're actually subscribed to this podcast. You're not just searching for it weekly in your podcast app. That way you always see new episodes and are alerted. A new episode is there right away. Who knows? I'm so excited for this one next week. I might drop it early. Watch every episode by subscribing to Real Alex Clark on YouTube. Season 6 of The Spillover is shaping up already to be our best yet,

and we're just getting started. If you didn't know the spillover is produced by Turning Point USA, a nonprofit, you can support the show financially, help pay for our guest travel, equipment and more, make a tax deductible donation at the link of the description. New episodes come out every Thursday night at 9 p.m. Pacific, midnight Eastern. I'm Alex Clark, and this is The Spillover. Love you, mean it. Bye. I just, I can't even tell you how much I love toast. I know.

You can just hear the strain and the emotional stress behind it because you're asking people to change things that are very emotional to them. Like my toast. Like you toast. Yeah, because why, what is it about, um, What is the word I'm looking for? For why am I? Okay, I'm having a brain for.

This is my brain. That's okay. I say, there you go. It's good. You're allowed.