Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - Hating Raw Milk, Being Nuanced On Taylor Swift & Wearing Wigs | Matt Walsh

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

DEI expert, Dancing With The Stars contestant, bestselling children’s book author, and host of The Matt Walsh Show, Matt Walsh, joins CA to talk anime, Taylor Swift, his bias against raw milk, new movie “Am I Racist?”, fatherhood, and of course it’s all done in his signature dead pan way.Thank you to our sponsors! Good Ranchers⁠⁠ | Use code “CLARK” for for a FREE Thanksgiving ham in your first delivery⁠⁠YRefy⁠⁠ | Call [phone] or visit ⁠⁠yrefy.comA'del Natural Cosmetics | Use code "ALEX" for 25% OFF Aleavia | Use code "ALEX15" 15% OFF Matt WalshX | @MattWalshBlog Instagram | @mattwalshblogYouTube | @MattWalshResourcesStream “Am I Racist” exclusively on DailyWire+“Am I Racist?” Official Trailer The Matt Walsh Show Alex ClarkInstagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠New 'Culture Apothecary' Merch OUT NOW! Glass tumblers, weekly wellness planners, hats, crewnecks and more. Use code "Alex Clark" for 10% OFF at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tpusamerch.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Cuteservatives Facebook group to connect with likeminded friends who love America and all things health and wellness! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the CUTEservative Facebook Group!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.This show is made possible with generous donations from listeners who believe in our mission to heal a sick culture.You can support our show by leaving a tax deductible donation, or by subscribing to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube for FREE! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠donate.tpusa.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠#cultureapothecary #alexclark #podcast #culture #politics

You may not know this, but you and I have beef. I hear you have a problem with people who drink raw milk. It's E. coli flavored milk. Are you willing to try it? A sip. Sweet baby gang, welcome to the show. Matt Walsh is host of the Matt Walsh Show with The Daily Wire, best-selling author, speaker, and perhaps best known for his movies. What is a woman and am I racist?

He lives in Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife and six children, including two sets of twins. I've never met or spoken to Matt, so I had a lot of questions for him, including his defense of Taylor Swift, yes, views on marriage and fatherhood, his important activism, getting children's hospitals to stop doing gender reassignment surgery on minors, his anti-raw milk and anime views. Plus, of course, we talk about his new movie, Am I Racist, which is a hilarious undercover movie where he confronts the insane people promoting the DEI agenda in our workplaces and school. I even made sure to wear a plaid shirt for this. Watch this episode on the Real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify. They do video now. This show is donor funded by listeners like you who believe in our mission to Heel us at Culture.

To give a tax-deductible donation, find the link in the description, or leave a five-star review to support us for free. I'm Alex Clark. Please welcome Matt Walsh to Culture Apothecary. Congratulations on having the biggest documentary release of the decade. Thank you. Bigger than Blackfish. I don't know what that is, but... You don't? You don't know the whale documentary about SeaWorld?

I never saw it, but yeah. Oh my gosh, that documentary changed my life. It was so funny because it was supposed to make the viewer really sympathetic towards killer whales. We were supposed to feel so bad for them in SeaWorld. It actually just made me terrified of them, and I think more of them should be in captivity. Yeah, kill them all. Kill them all. That's what I say. Kill the killer whales.

And you also surpassed the numbers of Super Size Me at the box office. We did. Yeah, we passed the domestic gross for Super Size Me, which is, you know, it was a personal marker I had just because it's one of the most well-known documentaries, you know, of all time probably. So once you get into that echelon, I feel like that's a good place to be. Were you expecting that? I always expect the worst.

Yeah, so do I. So do you. So are you kind of a negative, Nancy, like you're a glass half-empty type of person? It won't shock people to learn that I've been accused of that. But especially when you're creatively when you're working on something and if this was a long-term process and I mean, this thing took two years to make. So you have a long time to second guess yourself and worry about all the worst-case scenarios and all of that. So you can really get up in your head about it. And then finally, it's out in the world.

It feels kind of surreal when this thing that's lived only in your world in your mind for so long as everyone gets a chance to see it. So do you have to really get into character? like Shailabuff, you know, wearing vials of blood for his role or becoming a priest or whatever, are you like living this DEI expert lifestyle behind the scenes to get in character? I don't, I'm not that committed to the craft. I couldn't be. So it's, in fact, when we shoot the scenes for this movie or interviews, very happy at the end of it to be done with that and to be able to be a sane person again, I couldn't,

I couldn't leave it behind quick enough. Well, with the success of it, I mean, you. could be eligible for an Academy Award, right? That's true. We are eligible. Yeah. You are eligible. And what's the criteria?

I don't know exactly what they are, but if you're a widely released film, then you're probably in the, usually what's, like we made what is a woman, a documentary by gender ideology came out a couple years ago. That was not, now that would have obviously won all the Academy Awards, but unfortunately, it was just streaming release. So it was not eligible. But this one, yeah, if it's a, if you're a wide released film, then. then you're in the, I think that pretty much makes you eligible. And, and so we submitted it to the Academy for consideration for Best Picture and Best Documentary. Have you heard anything? I haven't heard anything, but we are officially Academy Awards submitted. We are potential nominees. So I had the team like make a movie poster. So I said, you don't have to wait until you win or even

are nominated to put it on the movie poster. So I had to make up a movie poster that says, you know, best picture potential nominee. And we'll see. I'll wait for the, now it's time to just wait for the accolades to not roll in because it's definitely not going to happen. Will Robin DiAngelo be getting a shout-out

in your Academy Awards acceptance speech? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, 100%. I mean, and the thing is, obviously we're not going to be nominated for anything, but, you know, we do have the most successful documentary of the year.

And so by all rights, we should at least get a nomination in the documentary category if all things are fair in the world, but they aren't. Well, of course. Have you let your kids watch the movie? Actually, they haven't watched it yet.

And I am going to let them watch it. I think it's, especially my older kids. My older kids are 11. And I think it's, that's the right, you know, it's a fine age for a movie. I think some of it will go over their head and they're homeschooled. So one of my hesitations was they haven't really been

indoctrinated with this crazy race ideology yet. Part of me is thinking, do I really want to be the one who introduces these concepts to them? But then I think it's better for the parent to introduce it than to have someone in the world do it. So we are going to show them the film. I'm kind of kicking myself that I didn't take the opportunity to take my kids to a movie theater to actually watch. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You know, on the big screen.

Because I'm guessing what is a woman? That would have been definitely too inappropriate. They didn't see that one. Yeah, they haven't seen that one. But they will, now that it's available on Daily Wire, I think we'll make a family movie night out of it. And I heard that you said you never want to. wanted to wear a suit jacket again after that movie? The suit jacket wasn't the problem so much as the wig.

I certainly never want to wear a wig again. See, now this is what I don't get. Like, it's so obvious to me the wig. It's so obvious, but people just, is it just because people are so used to now, men wearing wigs and makeup and stuff that nobody questions it? I don't know. Well, look, it's a nice wig. I mean, everyone keeps claiming it's a bad wig, but it's, it was like,

it's real human hair in that wig, which is pretty creepy. So I was wearing some person donated their hair and I was wearing it for two years. I don't know. I mean, Robin DiAngelo, she put out a statement before the movie, like right before the movie came out and she claimed that she denounced the movie, obviously. And she claimed that when she sat down for the interview,

that she could tell the interviewer was wearing an ill-fitting wig, in her words, which is, if that's true, then why did you, that's to your question. Like, why would you, if you could tell that I was wearing an ill-fitting wig, why did you sit down and have a two-hour conversation with me? It was two hours. Yeah, maybe an hour and a half. It was a long time, maybe 90 minutes or so.

And you don't break character the entire time? Yeah, you can. I mean, from the time she comes in, even before we're rolling, to the time she leaves, I have to be, quote, unquote, in character. And so how do you get them? I mean, I'm assuming you're telling them they're sitting down for some kind of different premise. Yeah. Well, no, not really.

No, it's not something. What we tell them basically is we're doing a documentary on race in America and on the DEI industry. You know, Robin DeAngelo, we said we wanted to talk to her because she's a leader in this field, and we're really interested in her insights. And all of that is true. Right. That's all true. And then I'm assuming you guys, they must say, well, what's the production company or something? You guys must have, like, a little fake name that you use or something like that.

It depends on what you mean by fake. Fake is a strong word. It's a real name. It's just not blatant, like, daily wire. Because there's no way anyone would be, right? You know, production company has different names. Yeah. And so we had different, you know, it's just, it's all real, though.

And we told them we wanted to make a documentary on race. And that's what we made. And so that's how you get away with it. They have to sign away. Like, I agree, you can use my footage. They probably sign that beforehand. And then that's not illegal to then be like, okay, this is what the documentary is actually about. Because you told them just enough, right?

Yeah. They sign a waiver. And now, I don't know. It may be that some of the people in the film did not take the time to read thoroughly the waiver that they signed. signed. I hope that's not the case. We give the waiver hoping everyone reads it through and signs it. We can't you know, we don't. We can't force them to read it. It'd be really unfortunate if some of them, you know, didn't read it. But that's a lesson for the future. Somebody gives you a waiver, sign it. In fact, I was given a waiver before we did this interview and I did not sign it.

Oh. Oh. So this could go anywhere and I'm screwed. So yeah. Is it true that your media career started in radio? It did, yeah. That's so interesting because so did mine. That's my background. I started in pop radio. And I didn't know that. And I also started in Kentucky. So Louisville was the first place that I started. It was 9970JX, the CHR pop radio station. And then I ended up changing out of radio into now working at Turning Point and doing this podcast and everything because it was so hard being conservative working in mainstream media. So what was your story of what led you to get out of radio? So I got into radio, into rock radio initially in 2000, maybe it was 2000.

2007-ish, 2008, around there. So tons of lifehouse. Yeah, well, no, because it was like, it was more, what were we playing? We were playing more. It was like, we played a lot of nickel back. Yeah, of course. But anyway, and one of the things, you know, it was kind of interesting when I got into radio, it was like right at the tail end of when music radio existed, really.

and when I first started, I worked at a small market station, and it was staffed 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We had actual DJs there. Even overnight, I did overnight. I was an overnight DJ for like a year. And that's how we usually start out. And then that's when you make your way up to eventually morning drive or afternoon drive. Right, exactly.

But everything is like automated now. Yes, and people don't realize that. Yeah. There's like literally seven radio personalities left in the country. Exactly. And they're computerized and they're on every single time. tiny to large station throughout the entire nation. It's so sad. Yeah, it is kind of sad. But up until, you know, the early part of the 2000s, yeah, you had small market radio

was a thing. And it had its own, like culture, its own. They had the own, like, celebrities that were sort of famous in that one little town. And so I came in the very tail end of that. And anyway, I was, so I was in radio for, and then I transitioned into talk radio, political talk radio, for a couple of years. So then you've always been conservative. Yeah, I've been conservative, you know, since I was born. There's a guy on X named Paul, and he said that your whole personality is just hating everything. So I thought that was funny because here's something that we both hate that I think we can agree on, anime. What is your problem with anime?

I don't know if I'd say I even hate anime so much as, I don't know if hate is the word. I do, there are a lot of things I hate. There's no question about it. I don't deny that. I just, look, anime is, just get a weird. It's a vibe thing. thing. I'll admit, like, because I got a lot of trouble. You said it was satanic. Part of the thing with me is that I'll say things that to me, it's like very clearly,

it's hyperbole. Yes. I'm overstating the case. Yes. On purpose, just kind of to be funny. I think it's a normal way that people communicate. Like, humorous hyperbole is a normal thing human beings use with each other when they're talking. But with me, when I do it, I get, you know, 10,000 morons out there pretending they don't understand the concept of hyperbole. So is anime literally satanic? No, but it does. It's just like, it's weird to me. It gives me a weird vibe.

No, it's a weird, icky vibe. And somehow, it always is like really close, closely linked to porn. Am I the only one that, like, sees this connection? I feel like there's, it always is like, it ends up there. It's just like a weird fine line. So I'm very against it. It gives me the ick, like if a guy is super into anime. When we originally had this conversation about anime,

and then I had a lot of people very upset and they were saying, well, do you even know when, how do you even define anime? Do you even understand what anime is? And then it occurred to me that, yeah, I guess I don't know the exact parameters of anime.

It turns out that there's some debate about like what qualifies as anime. But in the broader, in the broadest definition, anime is just anything animated that comes out of Japan is anime. And if that's that, like, I'm sure Japan has made some decent animated shows, fine. You know, if you, if you like some animated shows and you're like, that's fine.

Grow men? Here's anime video games is the other thing. I'm accused of being a video game hater and I hate gamers. That's not sure. I don't hate gamers. I do. But here's my point. With any of that stuff, if it becomes, it should not be the focus of your life. If it becomes your personality, if it becomes the most important thing to you in your life, then it becomes a problem. Because as adults, you know, any kind of recreation or entertainment, it's fine to have recreation. It's time it's fine to be entertained by things but that shouldn't be the the the primary focus of your life it shouldn't be your like identity and i say the same thing about um sports i'm a huge football

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i mean these people have lived amongst us for for for a while i mean what do we qualify as a disney adult people like go to disney world and don't have kids yes go to disney world without kids. And I was just... Well, going to Disney with kids is insane behavior. In my mind. So this is off the table for your six children. You're never taking them to Disney.

Yeah, I mean, even leaving aside the ideological problems I have with Disney. And that's reason enough that I wouldn't want to support them and go to Disney World. But even pretending that's not an issue. And I got six kids. If we want to go on vacation, like going to Disney World, it's not like we can't just pop down there and go for a day and come back. That's like a week-long thing. I got to dedicate a week to going somewhere as a family.

I'm not giving it to an amusement park. We're going to spend the whole time in these huge crowds waiting in lines. You spend 99% of the time, obviously, just waiting in lines. So as an adult, why would you, how is that fun for you to go to a place where 99% of your time, you're waiting in a line with children who are whining the whole time because the line isn't moving fast enough? And that's how you want to spend your time? Go to a lake. Go to a beach.

Go to out in nature somewhere and just spend time as a family, away from the crowds. Are you at the point where you're older kids? kids are able to, you can kind of put them in charge of watching the younger ones a little bit helping out, give them some. They can help, but not, I mean, I wouldn't set them loose in Disney World with, with the kids. No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. I just saw Ben Shapiro's appearance on Jubilee doing that conversation, like debating 25 Kamal Harris fans or whatever. Can we expect to see you on there anytime soon? Absolutely not. Hell no. Has Daily Wire asked you to do it yet?

They haven't, but I'm sure that that pitch is going to be made any day now. So as soon as I saw Ben on that show, I thought, well, I thought two things. I thought, first I thought, okay, well, this will be good. And so I watched it because then it was good. But then my second thought was, oh, my God, they're going to now, they're going to see all the clicks that Ben gets and then someone's going to come pitch it to me. Are you the talent at the Daily Wire that is always the one that is going to say no? Like they anticipate, like Matt will always say no.

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And he's, uh, and, you know, because he likes to socialize and he likes to go to events and do all this stuff. So I am, I'm the no guy. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Well, of course. Well, you're here. I'm here. I mean, they had to drag you in kicking and screaming and, you know, chains around your wrist and everything and pull you in. Pull a gun to my head.

Yeah. And the thing about that. what Ben did. The other point, too, is that he, it's why it's funny to me, the Kamala Harris supporters that chose to be a part of that, because this kind of like rapid fire debate style, that's like Ben's, he's the best in the country at that. I mean, that's his thing is doing that. So it's fascinating to me that these people volunteered to just one at a time be eaten alive by Ben Shapiro on camera. Well, there was that one like real little black girl and she went viral with Charlie Kirk doing this Jubilee thing

and debating her and then also Ben Shapiro. And did you see, there were so many people on X that are on the left that were like she cooked, like she completely destroyed them. And I'm sitting here watching, like, I'm trying to have an open mind. Like, okay, did she really out debate Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk? Like, I'm interested because there's not many people that can. And I do not see what they're seeing. I mean, are they just making stuff up?

First of all, they put the little caption up there because they know that most people aren't going to actually watch it. Or if they do watch it, they want you to go in, like, already looking for a certain thing. For people on the left, winning an argument is not presenting facts and making a logical argument. That's not how you win. You win the argument by, it's an emotional thing. You win the argument by proving that basically you have more emotionally invested in this topic than the other person does.

It's just like screaming and yelling and, you know, the one trans guy, like slamming his chair down. Like that was like... Exactly. It's very performative. But in that conversation, too, you notice that this is what they do. They sit down and they start the conversation, not by presenting their position, but by establishing that they have a greater emotional tie to this topic than the other person does. And in the mind of a leftist, if you can establish that, then you automatically win. And that's why if you're debating a leftist on abortion and it's a little bit of a leftist.

and it's a woman and you're and you're a man. You know, the leftist woman will always start by pointing out that, well, I'm a woman. This is about my body. And then from that point on, as far as they're concerned, they won the argument because they have more tied to this issue than you do. When you saw clips of Ben, you had posted, there is so much fundamental moral and scientific confusion at the root of leftism. Yeah. What did you mean by that? That they are confused about.

everything like down to the most fundamental foundational facts of life. And it wasn't always this way. I mean, there was a time not all that long ago when you could have the two sides and the political argument having an argument. And they disagreed on many things sort of downstream. But there was at least some basic fundamental level agreement. Like we lived in a shared reality at least.

And we could agree on some of the. points of that reality. And then from there, we disagree about it. But how did they become so untethered to reality? How does that even happen to a group of people? That's why so many people that have been liberal their entire lives feel totally left behind and homeless politically, because their side has just gone way further left, whereas I feel like conservatives, we've relatively, honestly, stayed the same. We haven't changed. They've just are the ones who've changed and gone further left. Well, some conservatives, I think conservatives in the mainstream have changed by by becoming more leftist also without even noticing it.

Because as the culture goes left, then being on the right is kind of relative. You're to the right of, you know, where the left is right now. And so as everything moves to the left, you can, you know, be on the right while still taking positions that 20 years ago would have been considered liberal. In terms of why it's happened this way, I think it's relativism taken to its, it's sort of the inevitable consequence of moral relativism. And you hear people say this all the time. This is my truth. I'm standing on my truth and all that kind of stuff. And that's taken on a very literal meaning these days where people really do think that I have my own truth. You know, this is what's true for me. And now we see that that goes all the way down to human biology now is subject to that kind of relativism. Human biology itself is relative to, in contingent on how I feel. Yeah, speaking of that, you've said that the trans movement is the greatest evil our country faces.

Yeah, and I think it is. Of course, anytime you're saying greatest evil, unfortunately, there's a lot of competition for that title. Yeah, white supremacy. Yeah, climate change, you know, of course, as we know. Or back in reality, things like the abortion, you know, killed 60 million babies. And in terms of body count, nothing competes with that. In human history, nothing competes with the abortion movement. But the trans movement, it is this confusion.

It's how confused it makes people where it's not even like they no longer understand biological realities and science. I mean, that too. But they don't understand themselves. Like their own identity is now a mystery to themselves. And that's the effect that it has on people when they fall into this indoctrination. And then when you're walking around, not even understanding who you are at the most basic level, that breeds. you know, despair. And that's why you find that the, you know, suicide, I mean, there's different statistics on this. And I'm not sure if there's any one statistic that's all that reliable,

but almost everyone agrees that the, you know, certainly the suicide rate among transidentified people is much, much, much higher than, uh, than it is in the general population. And it doesn't get better after transition. Right. And it does not get better. And other countries have acknowledged that. The United States is still behind while other countries like the UK, have said, okay, we're not going to be doing these surgeries on minors anymore because there's way too much regret after. Yeah. And also, the way that the trans activists will deal with that with the suicide rate is they'll

say that, well, this is because they're being bullied. They're not being accepted in society. Well, if that was true, then what you should find is that as society becomes more accepting of transgenderism, you should find that that rate goes down. precipitously, but that's not what you find at all. That no matter how accepting society becomes, still you have this sky high suicide rate. And the other interesting thing to consider, too, is that, you know, the trans movement will tell us that transgenderism is not a new phenomenon.

They'll say that, you know, there's always been, whatever the number of trans-identified people is now, like, let's say it's, let's say it's 1%. The trans movement will tell us that it will, it's always been 1%. You know, 600 years ago, there was 1% of trans people. Yeah, they were just like living in fear or whatever. They were living in fear. Well, but then if that's true, then you should also find, as you go back through history, this mysterious suicide epidemic because then that would be like they were living at a time when nobody was accepting of transgenderism. Yes.

And so what we should find by that logic is just this epidemic of people killing themselves, you know, by the millions, really, across the world. And you don't find that. And you have accomplished so many. real world things when it comes to this issue. And I think this is really important to highlight because so many people, it's really frustrating because it's other conservatives will be like, what are conservatives really conserving? What work have you actually done besides like host a podcast or tweet stuff?

And they like to hold that against us, but you've really done a lot. So talk about what you've done when it comes to helping minors who are being preyed upon by this movement. It hasn't just been me, of course, and there's been a movement of, I don't think it's been a large enough movement, but there have been conservatives that have been very effective in fighting back against this on team sanity. If you look at the progress we've made just in the last like three or four years, now there are dozens of states, just to start with, dozens of states that now have banned the mutilation and chemical castration, sterilization of children. which are laws that never should have had to be passed because it shouldn't have been happening in the first place, but it was. And it was happening for years before any state passed a law, banning it. And now it's, I don't know what the exact number that we're up to now is, but it's dozens of states have passed laws against this, which is a huge, you know, obviously huge political legislative win.

Same thing with women and men and women's sports. You know, we've seen more policies and laws changing to protect women's sports, which is a big positive. But the bigger victory that I see are kind of the underlying victory, it's more of a cultural thing. Where it seems to me now, if you take where the culture is now, compare to where it was four years ago on this particular issue, the majority of people I think now are willing to speak out against this madness, the gender ideology madness, call it for what it is. The left, they're now embarrassed by it in a way that they weren't three years ago. You really think they're embarrassed? Yeah. And that's why you see on the left, like prominent people on the left over the last year. Like they have not been talking about this issue very much, conspicuously.

That's true. You know, even as we head into election, they have not been campaigning on it. They have not been talking about it that much. On the right is more of like bringing this up, putting it in ads and that sort of thing. So I think on the left, they see this as a losing cultural issue. Good. Four years ago it wasn't. Right.

Now it is. But you've also gotten different children's hospitals to stop offering sexual reassignment surgery to minors as well, right? Yeah, well, it's, I mean, it started with Vanderbilt Hospital here in Tennessee when we uncovered the program that they had through drugs and surgery, utilizing and butchering kids, gender confused kids. Do you see this a lot? Because I do a lot of, I call them, like, low information, apathetic voters, like people that are not super plugged in or don't really have, like, like political news and their algorithm. Once in a while, if this kind of story comes up in their timeline from a conservative, they're like, this is ridiculous.

This is not happening. Yeah. Nobody is doing surgeries like this on minors. Do you ever see that? Yeah. Well, that was really the big hurdle we had to get over in this movement. Again, pushing back on gender ideology. It wasn't even like we had to explain to people necessarily why it's wrong to do this to kids.

We didn't like explain the reality that men are men and women are women. Most people understand all that. Again, you go back three, four or five years ago, people understood that, but they just didn't realize that this was an issue. And, yeah, when we first started talking about gender transitions of minors, I think most normal people heard that and said, yeah, that's not actually happening. Like, nobody's really doing that. That's crazy. And so it really was more of like an awareness campaign. We had to make people aware that, no, this is happening.

This is a real thing. It's a widespread problem that's happening all across the country. thousands of kids are falling victim to it. That was the biggest hurdle was just letting people know that this is actually this is a thing. This is real. Once you were able to reveal that to people, then most people from there can kind of connect the dots. And was it there also a children's hospital in Boston or something?

Yeah, Boston Children's Hospital. The organization Do No Harm put out a report recently about how many hospitals across the country have engaged in these quote unquote gender transition procedures. and it was, you know, it's in their report. I forget the exact number of hospitals, but it's hundreds and hundreds of hospitals. Hundreds. Oh, yeah, have done this.

See, now, even the people that are like, okay, fine, it's happening, probably think it's like maybe three at the most. Hundreds of hospitals. Yeah, hundreds of hospitals, for sure. If you struggle with dry lips, especially in winter, try making a peppermint lip scrub with ingredients you already have at home. Sugar, olive oil, and one drop of peppermint essential oil. There you have your own non-concernment.

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When we made What is a Woman, and that was, we were shooting it three years ago. As part of filming that, we went around the country to different cities and we did kind of man on the street interviews and just normal people and asked them about some about these issues. And we found that at that time, it was very difficult to find anyone, no matter what, man, woman, old young, didn't matter, black, white. It was difficult to find anyone who would go on camera and go on the record saying that a woman is an adult human female. No men should not be allowed in the women's locker room.

It was difficult to find anyone who was willing to say that on camera three years ago. I think that if I were to go and do that same thing now, go to the same cities, talk to the same kinds of people. I think you'd find a lot more people who are willing to stand in front of the camera and proudly say, a woman is a female you know of course men don't belong in the women's locker room that sort of thing so you know who's really supported you on this is j k rolling she's spoken out she's spoken out forcefully on this issue which i really appreciate but also you like she's called you out and thanked you for your work she she did but then

she the the feminists on her side were not happy about that so then she turned around she retracted and denounced me as a sexist oh no we were close okay i was like really hopeful which is like you know what It's fine. She's got it. That's what she felt like she had to do. And whatever. You think if she wanted to change her tune again and admit like, okay, no, I stand with Matt. He's not that bad of a guy. She'll never say that.

You don't think? I mean, they haven't. It's not like she's won back. They're good graces after all this. I mean, they still hate her. Yeah, exactly. The entire Harry Potter cast has like denounced her and said, we want nothing to do with her, even though she's the reason that they have everything happened. But JK Rowling, she lives in this kind of gender-critical. feminist space.

I mean, what on the other side, derisively, they'd call turfs. Yeah, yeah. So that's, that's J.K. Rowling's world. And so that's a lot of, like, and these feminists who have spoken out against gender ideology, I'd give them credit for that.

I think they're wrong about, like, everything else. But that's the world that she's in. And if you're a liberal feminist, you don't like me. Right, because they still believe in things like, you know, abortion. Abortion, I mean, that's like the big thing. If she were to totally transform,

on all these cultural issues. It would be so cool for, like, Daily Wire and her to work together for her to kind of create another fantasy movie or series. You know, it would be so cool for both these worlds to collide. But yeah, it sounds like she still world apart. It would be really cool. I can't speak. I don't make any decisions over Daily Wire, but I think I can speak for the Daily Wire

executives when I say that they would love to work with JK Row. Of course. It'll never happen in a million years. We can hope. You have said. all a man wants is to come home from a long day at work to a grateful wife, children happy to see him, dinner cooking on the stove. This is literally all it takes to make a man happy.

If your husband is unhappy, consider whether you give him the one thing he wants. So, Matt Walsh, are you saying that wearing a dress and cooking your man a steak is the secret to a happy marriage? It helps. I mean, it's not the whole thing, obviously. There's a lot more to it. It doesn't have to be a steak. You know, could be, there's all, whatever you want. Yeah, I remember tweeting that.

I guess that was, I don't know when that was, but it was another, another outrage cycle that lasts a couple, couple of days, which is just funny to me because it's like all on, first of all, it's another one of those things where I'm saying something that 30 years ago, 40 years ago, it would seem bizarre to say only because it's so obvious. and now we treat this thing that was considered obvious forever. Now we treat it like it's this shocking concept. And the other thing people do is that you make a statement like that and people attach a lot of other ideas to it that you didn't actually say.

Sexism, misogyny. Or the thing they attach to is, oh, so you're saying that a ban shouldn't have to do anything for his wife? You're saying that it's all on the woman to maintain a healthy marriage? No, I didn't say that. I'm just saying here's one thing a woman can do to help keep it a happy, happy marriage. And I think, in fact, we spend a lot of time talking about the things that men can do and should do. And we spend a lot of time, when I say we, I mean, like, culturally. Does any of it include doing work on the outside of the house shirtless with a little tool belt? Because it should.

I'll admit, I'm not the handiest guy. So I wouldn't be the guy to give that particular lecture. Now, I can pay for someone to do all that. That's right. So I still make sure it's done. So what do you say when people say a statement like that saying that you should expect your wife to have dinner on the stove when you come home and children happy to see you and all of this. What do you say to those that say, well, this is deeply sexist? Well, to the people, I say you're stupid. I mean, that's a, that's a dumb way of, it's just, it's a dumb response. Like, why is it sexist? What about it is sexist? I don't know. I guess a wife's worth should be more than making sure that she, she's cooking you a hot dinner. That's what makes it dumb is that I never said that this is, I didn't

say like, this is, this is the only thing that needs to be said about marriage. I never said that. Like, this is just, this is one thing. Here's a thing. Here's a thought. Is that the most frustrating thing about Twitter is that if you do not go through every single nuance to every discussion, every, like, outlier, then you're not being fair. Whatever comment you make on a topic, that is apparently the only thing you think on that topic. And then you get all these responses from people saying, well, what about this?

What about that? There's a character limit. And so you can't communicate every single facet of every topic and every tweet. You can't even do that in a conversation. And that's what makes a lot of these debates sort of fruit. is that. Also, it's a lot of it's like bad faith, you know, so. How long have you been married? 13 years.

What do you think all a woman wants is? I think women want a man who's going to, you know, and I'll be accused of sexism again because it's going to sound stereotypical. But I think a man, women do want men who a man is going to provide, protect, provide stability and security in their life. They want to, a woman wants to be able to look to her husband. and feel like, okay, things are going to be okay. He knows what he's doing,

which doesn't mean that the woman herself is incompetent and can't do anything. But, you know, you want a man who's like, could take charge of a situation and say, you know, and when I say provide security, I mean, in that way. Like, it's not just, oh, I'm going to shoot a bad guy if he comes to the house. Although a woman does want a man who can do that and is willing to do that. Feeling safe and secure in life and everyday life is much more than that. And, you know, that's like a fundamental thing.

And there's a lot more that you build on top of that, obviously. Well, I think one underrated thing that women want, and maybe sometimes, especially when we're younger, we don't know that we want this, is somebody that we can trust on an intellectual level to lead. So I think sometimes, especially when it comes to child rearing, we assume, like, well, we know what's best. Like when it comes to family decisions involving our kids, education, whatever, religious views, things like that, that like, we have to be the ones to make that decision because our husband

doesn't know. There is such a weight lifted for women, I think, when you are with a man that you can trust, like, okay, if I were to truly step away and every even little minor decision to be made about our children, my husband was to do without me, I would trust, I know that he would make the right decision and a decision that I would agree with. I think that's like a huge underrated part of it is like, I trust his decision making for our family. Yeah. And that comes to respect, too, which is something that men really want to feel from the woman they're with, right?

Like, is respected. Yeah. I think that kind of the classic way of putting it is that women want to feel loved, men want to feel respected. Now, of course, men also want to be loved and women want to be respected too. But I think it's, it's, so it's, in both cases, it's actually love. like, you know, if you are, as a woman, respecting your husband, that's, you're loving him. When a marriage goes wrong, when things are, you know, on the rocks, and a marriage is having

problems, very often the thing that's lying at the bottom of that is a lack of appreciation. And if so, if you talk to, if you talk to the man who's in the bad marriage or the woman, like, you're going to hear that same message from both of them that they don't feel appreciated. That means different things to both of them. But that's a common, like, theme is the man. Like, I do all these things for her. She doesn't notice. She doesn't appreciate what I do.

And the woman says the same thing. So. How did you meet your wife? I met her online. You met her online. It did, yeah. You know, a lot of conservatives like to grandstand about how horrible online dating is, that they would never do it, that conservatives should never do it.

Do you feel like they're just ignorant on the subject? Yeah, it would be ridiculous to say never. do it. And I couldn't say that because I did meet my wife. This was like 14 years ago. It was a very different was a different world. Like dating apps, that was not a thing back back when I met my wife. We had like sites. So you had to like websites. You had to go www.w. You know what the old fashioned way. Do you remember what your profile said? I don't remember. Do you remember what hers said? Yes, I remember. What? I'm just saying I remember because I feel like I should remember. But I do know that I was in the online dating world. Like,

not for very long. And I met my wife really quickly. So it's, so I, you know, I can only give it a thumbs up. Yeah, so you stay out of those discussions when people are like, get off dating apps. Well, look, it's, it's,

there's only so many ways to meet a person. And I think one of the problems in the modern world, there are fewer and fewer ways to meet someone. This is the complaint you hear from younger, single people all the time. And, and I think, I'm sure they're right.

I don't, like, I thank God every day. that I'm married. I do not envy young single people in the world today. It sucks. It sucks. So yes. Here's a problem. Like, and I'll just say from the perspective of a young man who wants to meet a woman. Where can you go to meet a woman? Like, okay, you can say, well, you can meet someone on the job. And a lot of people meet at work. But also these days, and like the meet the me to era, meeting someone at work and trying to establish some kind of relationship, that could be dicey. that could go wrong. And so then you feel like, well, that's, that's out. Where else are you going to go?

Where else are you going to maybe meet someone to the gym or something or at church is a good, is a good place. If you can meet someone at church, great. But the churches are kind of dying. I mean, a lot of churches now are older, you know. So you kind of whittled away a lot of these normal places where you meet people out in the quote unquote real world. And that leaves you with the online. So for the man that's mostly negative, you do have some empathy for people struggling with single longer than they want to. Something else that I don't agree with conservatives on is their absolute seething hatred of Taylor Swift.

Who is more obnoxious? Taylor Swift lovers or Taylor Swift haters? Yeah, I kind of feel like if you have too strong of opinion of Taylor Swift either way, you're obnoxious. I'm out. If you're going to frame it that way, then, because I know you expect me to be on your side on this thing, but if you frame it that way, then I have to say that Taylor Swift lovers tend to be more obnoxious.

Okay, fair. I can take the heat. Well, I don't know. I mean, it depends on how, because I'm thinking of, like, worshipful, idolizing. Depends on the person that I get accused of that all the time because I'm such a fan. So conservatives in my audience, there are a lot that believe you cannot be conservative and love Taylor Swift. And so my question is, Matt, are true conservatives really only watching and listening to art that is made exclusively by conservatives? Is this a fair purity test of your conservatism?

No, no, I don't think. And what I've said about Taylor Swift is I'm not a fan of hers. I mean, it's just not my, not my style. Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be. But of all the music out in, you know, the pop culture scene right now, like hers is not nearly as objectionable as a lot of the other filth. That's the way I, that's my ringing endorsement of Taylor Swift. It's like, it's not as bad as a lot as other stuff.

I guess last last year in particular, there was. It felt like there was three or four months when conservatives were hyper fixated on Taylor Swift. Obsessed. And I just didn't get it because, again, there are way worse offenders out there in the pop culture world. That's what I say. So I don't know, you know, if we're going to start complaining about singers and pop artists, she's down on the list. She's farther down on the list.

There's many people that are worse than her. So here's what we need to know. If you had been given the opportunity for free to attend. the heirs tour with Michael Knowles, would you have said yes? No. That's an easy no. Another no. And I'd have to go with Michael and it's an even worse. There were some people in the movie, Am I Racist, that you had mentioned, asked for like $50,000 to appear in the film, like this woman who claimed that her kids were snubbed by a racist

Mubbitt. Mascot, yeah. Yeah. So what happens in those situations? Does Daily Wire actually pay these people $50,000? Oh yeah. Holy smokes. We put the price tag on the screen because we wanted people to see how much we had to pay to get these people to talk to us. And the price tag is what we paid. We paid them that amount of money.

And so we definitely got scammed. I mean, I got ripped off badly. I think in this movie. We kind of said that. I think we went into the process of making the movie. We didn't realize that we would have to pay all these people to talk to us. So we didn't necessarily originally plan to have that as sort of a theme. But as we started making it and reaching out, and we realized that, like, all these people want to be paid.

And so we said, okay, we'll pay them and we're going to put it in the movie. Was there any moment that you honestly almost started laughing? There has to have been something. Yeah, there probably were. I mean, the race to dinner scene. But you had a mask on, so that helped. Yeah, the mask helped. But I'm intentionally making situations awkward.

And I'm aware of that. Like, I'm not a total psychopath. And so it is also awkward for me. But for me, it's less like, the temptation is less laughing and more getting angry and yelling at these people. So that I had to spend more internal energy stopping myself from doing that than laughing. Wow. Especially when you're sitting, like I said, Robin DiAngelo in real time, it's like a 90-minute conversation. And I'm agreeing with her the entire time.

I mean, that's the approach we took for this film is I'm not, I'm presenting myself as someone who agrees. And in fact, I'm more invested in it than a lot of the people are. I'm trying to, it's like, they're leading me and I'm leading them and we go down the rabbit all together. Utah, like, morning show or whatever when you're having them, like, put their arms up and everything. I don't know how, I don't know how you didn't bust out laughing. I just couldn't do it. It's truly remarkable. I mean, your acting skills are incredible, and that's why I think the movie has done so well.

My recommendation, the next movie in this, it's kind of now become your thing. You know, you're always going to have to go undercover and do these. This is, it's too successful. So what's your pitch? So my pitch is what is a. what is a teacher and expose these activists and just the straight up lack of education happening in American public schools? You're saying I go undercover as a teacher? Yeah, you have to go undercover as a teacher and you have to then, you know, sit in the teacher, break rooms, talk about how are we going to get this, you know, kid to.

And then that kind of encompasses everything because you got the gender stuff, you got the race stuff, you know. And also just they're not learning how to read. They're not learning how to write. Like, oh, you know, Jimmy doesn't know how to read, but he recognizes his white privilege so we can call this a win, right? Like I'm just imagining the conversations that could happen. I feel like that could be a winner. I like the idea, but now I can't do it because, of course, we have to keep going. We can't stop it.

You can't stop at two movies. At least you have to have a trilogy. So I'm thinking about that and putting ideas together. But it is a challenge. Number one, it's going to be even harder this time to not be recognized. You have to start thinking about, like, what are the big areas? Like with what is a woman, we took on LGBT trans, you know, it's a huge battlefield in the culture war. Right.

And then am I racist? We took on race, huge battlefield. I'm trying to think what the third one is. And so now we're thinking about what are the other major battlefields. Okay, something to think. Everybody can guess in the comments what you think it is. You may not know this, but you and I have beef. We do.

Okay. Specifically dairy. Oh, I know. Okay. Do you have any ideas? Are you a raw milk fan? I'm a raw milk fanatic. So, I hear you have a problem with people who drink raw milk.

You said it's disgusting. people are opening up themselves to just willingly consume milk with E. coli and Listeria. It's E. coli flavored milk. No. It's not. It's the most, it's one of nature's superfoods. It tastes like E. coli. I've tried it before. You've tried it? It tastes like E.

Okay, well, we may have gone to a local farm and picked up some raw milk for you to try with me. What's in it for me? What's in it for you? Okay. Helps fight allergies. It has 100% nutrients, vitamins, minerals that are zapped away in pasteurization. You're getting all of these amazing benefits, good gut bacteria that were stripped from in everyday life. Do you have like a great idea for a bit where you would stab me in the throat? Is that another fun idea? I just think we should put the beef to bed and cheers a little raw milk.

Put it to bed by poisoning me? It's not pleasing. With your disgusting, tainted milk? It's literally, this is the thing that's crazy is there's no way. I don't know where you got your milk, but if you are getting it from a reputable, organic regenerate farm, raw milk is the best tasting milk there is. It's way better tasting than pasteurized milk. Do you drink pasteurized milk?

Well, I don't drink milk at all because I'm not seven years old. I haven't had a glass of milk in forever. Okay, so are you willing to try it? A sip. I'm not going to commit to it, but you can present the milk. We can look. Well, the farmer, the farmer did a whole test for you. It's like a seven second video showing you test results of how clean this milk is comparatively that we want to show you.

What color is it? It's white. It's like brownish green. No, it's white. It's crystal clear. It's from Liper's Creek Farm in Tennessee. So wait, we're going to show you this video. Do you see anything in there?

Does it look weird to you? I mean, the whole thing is weird to me. This whole scenario is... And so Rami's standards is you want 10 dots or less on here. For all I know, she could have just drawn those dots on there. I don't know what... I don't know what a milk test looks like. Are you willing to try?

If I try it first, will that put you at ease? Well, your immune system has already... You don't have to guzzle this whole thing. Because you've been drinking this third world milk your whole life. And so you're, it's like going to a third world country where they can drink the water. It doesn't mean I can. Yes. All you need to do is a sip.

You start out with a shock glass today. All right. Here we go. Horrifying. Are you convulsing? I can, I can taste the fecal matter in it. He's lying. It tastes delicious.

It tastes like a virus. It has like a viral after taste. We don't got him now. Listen, it's the most delicious milk you will ever have. I can feel the bacteria just like coursing through me. Well, I appreciate you being willing to try it. That was very brave of you. Thank you.

Showed a lot of strength. It did. I won't tell anyone if you want to drink the rest. That's the least appetizing invitation I've ever been given in my life. We just saw, you know, a little taste test so we could just put the beef to bed. So we're good now. All you've done is confirm all of my worst suspicions about raw milk. You don't have to be somebody that drinks at all the time.

I'm not going to say everybody has to. When I go home later and I die, then this episode, you'll never see the last. light of day. It will see the light of day because you're going to be just fine. You have to agree. If I die, you're still putting this episode out. We're still putting it out. This is my last will and testament to the world. We'll at least do an in memory of, like, we'll do something nice for you. In memoriam. Yeah, in memoriam. It'll be in memoriam. But listen, Paul Saladino is, he wants to bring you to Costa Rica to do like a whole raw milk expose. Would that be something you'd be willing to do? You know, Carnivore MD? Do I want to go down to a foreign country to do what? To try their raw milk?

And hang with the slops. Every idea you have is, worst than the last? Like, like, well, he's willing to bring you out. I cannot think of a vacation less, that's every element of a,

you know, you might as well add, add Disney World into it to make it really bad. When babies and kids drink raw milk, early consumption of raw milk, their risk for respiratory disease, infections fever drops by 30%. This is PubMed.

If you type in raw milk on PubMed, you will see a slew of articles talking about all these asthma, allergies, things going down. So I'm just telling you. That's what you say. You're like, this is like a leftist debating, you know, where it's all emotion and I'm bringing you the facts. Okay, but pasteurizing milk just means that you're sanitizing it. You don't need it to be sanitized. It depends on the farm you're getting it from. So are you next, are we going to have a raw water movement? You're going to

drink straight out of a, go down to Nashville here downtown. Go to one of the lakes. I just take a okay, but this is the other. Take a glass of water right out of a lake in Nashville. You and I also disagree. You can tell the difference between different brands of bottled water too. And you and you disagree with me on that. And I could, I have done a blind taste test before. I'm like, this is Arrowhead. This is Desani. You can absolutely tell you. No, there's no way. You can't. Yeah. So this proves that you're wrong. I bet you $50,000 that you cannot tell the. difference between bottled water in a blind taste test. Vote in the comments. Fifty thousand dollars. I know I'm right on this. So this makes your whole raw milk argument, Nolan Void.

Okay, where can people watch? Am I racist? Yeah, please. I'm going to need the money now for my medical bills after consuming that. You can go to dailywire.com and stream it right now. How often do you release new episodes of the Matt Wall show? And what can people find there? Before this, I did release them every day. But now I'm going to have to Take some medical leave and we'll see. We'll see what happens. Tell everyone where to follow you on X. At Matt Walsh blog.

Thank you, Matt, for coming on Culture Apothecary. Thanks. In Memorium, starts now. Well, I'm not sure I convinced him on the raw milk, but otherwise, I think it was a great interview. Shout out to Liper's Creek Farm in Nashville area for providing the raw milk. That was super generous of them. And it was great. Don't listen to Matt.

It was awesome. He just, you know, you know how he is. Okay, thank you so much for listening. Make sure you're subscribed. Leave a five-star review if you enjoyed this episode. New episodes come out, usually every Monday and Thursday. I'm Alex Clark, and this is Culture Apothecary.