Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - “Hey, Vegans! You Kill More Animals Than Meat Eaters!” - Plant Based HOAX w/ Vinnie Tortorich

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

Harvard University, Internet Vegans and the World Economic Forum all have one thing in common: A religious desire for the world to go Vegan. Alex sits down with celebrity fitness trainer Vinnie Tortorich, and producer of the films “Beyond Impossible” and "Fat: A Documentary", to expose all the lies of veganism and the plant-based industry.Follow Vinnie on InstagramAnd find his documentaries HEREGo to Nimi Skincare and use promo code ALEXCLARK to get 10% off your order. For delicious, Rea...

I always knew veganism was bogus, but my mind was really blown when I watched the documentary Beyond Impossible, how the fake meat industry is lying to you. The way these crops and plants are grown for the plant-based meat industries kills more animals in living things than the meat industry could even dream of. You don't have to watch the documentary to listen to this interview, but if you want to pause this, watch and come back, beyond impossible is the document. that really drew me in because it exposes the corruption of the fake meat industry and how it ties in with the sinister plans of a global elite. Harvard University, internet vegans, and the World Economic Forum all have one thing in common, a religious desire for the world to go vegan.

My guest today who made this documentary is a celebrity fitness trainer, bestselling author of Fitness Confidential Adventures in the Weight Loss Game. speaker, podcaster, and he also made fat the documentary, which explains how the very misinformation lies we told people on how to lose weight the last several decades, actually made us fatter than ever. Subscribe and make sure you always lead the Spillover, a five-star review to support us. It is an honor to have the legendary Vinny Tortrich on the Spillover. You've had a rock star life.

You are a celebrity fitness trainer. You've written best-selling books. You've done documentaries. you've set trends in the health space. So talk about the moment that you really decided, you know what, I think I'm going to expose the entire plant-based cult now for the frauds that they are.

Well, you know, that's interesting because I didn't set out to, you know, people who are plant-based, well, we used to call them vegans, and then they realize that their own connotation of being a vegan. Think about it. When you hear a vegan, you realize it's not a good thing, right?

So you hear vegan, you go, okay, this guy drives a Prius and his feet smell for whatever reason, right? Or he smells like feet. And he's got a man bun. We have a certain connotation when you hear. So they went, okay, we're going to change it to plant-based. I'm not upset with those people because a lot of vegans want to do the right thing. They're sitting there thinking, hey, I'm doing this because I want to be healthy. So who am I upset with?

I'm upset with the leaders of the vegan cult. And when I say cult, I'm not being funny. It's a cult. They're backed by PETA, you know, people for ethical treatment of animals. And they are also co-opted by, you know, some of the food companies. And we could get into that later if you want to. So then they get these doctors to lie. As a matter of fact, my movie, Beyond Impossible,

I was trying to bring vegans to the table. I wanted everyone to be in this movie. And I think you've seen the movie, right, Alex? Oh, yeah, more than once because I absolutely loved it. Yeah, you know, I, you noticed in a movie, I didn't just say that I invited vegans to the table. I showed, I couldn't sit there and show all of the rejection letters because it was way too many.

But I took some of the biggest vegan doctors that we know, the superstars like Michael Greger and McDougal and some of these people, just to name a few, and also Walter Willett over at Harvard, who runs Harvard, I showed their letters back to me on screen. I showed the letter I wrote to them, and then the letter we got back.

Vinny reached out to all of these people that are the thought leaders, so to speak, in the vegan and plant-based industries. He said, hey, I'm doing a documentary. I just want to get to the truth. Let's debate about it. I'm anti. You're for it.

Let's talk about it. Let's have a conversation. No one would agree. to come on the documentary. Not one person, right? Not one. As a matter of fact, we went back to him. There was one, Dr. McDougal said that he would come on. He goes, yeah, I'll come on, but I'm not signing a release. Okay. Who, I mean, you can't, anyone who's in someone's movie, you sign a release. It's like, so that's not going to happen. And then we said, okay, no release, no, no go. You know, that's, that's a non-starter for any movie, right?

Think of any show you might watch. I don't know, let's say you watch The Bachelor or The Bachelorette or whatever, and you see them and they're out on the street, right? You'll see them blocking out people's faces because you can't get people's faces in the shot without getting their permission, right? You got to get those people to sign a release.

But what are they so scared of with you? What is so scary about you to these vegan people? I don't know, because I even, said, I'll send you the questions ahead of time. I'm asking you and the other side, the same 13 questions. That's it. Here, here, here the, by the way, no one on the other side asked to see the questions, but a few of the vegans said, I'd like to see the questions. Here they are. Answer these questions. And they were like, no, no can do. Can do. I, oh, and when you ask me what they're afraid of, I've had an open invitation. I've done now 2,300 podcast, the, the

in this confidential podcast. 2,300 over the past 11 years. I've had an open invitation to all, not just any vegan down the street. I don't want some, you know, you know, skateboard, you know, patchouly wearing, you know, dude, coming on my show.

But any of the thought leaders in a vegan community, and they know who they are, open invitation, you can come on my show, and here's going to be the first question. As a vegan, if we did not have exodging, is vitamins, vitamin B12. If you cannot take a vitamin that you buy in the drugstore, where would a vegan get B12? And once you successfully answer that question, you can ask me

anything you want. And why is that important? Why is that an important question for them to answer? What does it expose? We have 13 essential vitamins. Essential means your body will not make it. It means you have to take these vitamins. If you don't get these vitamins, you die. B12 is one of them. As a matter of fact, there are other vitamins that you get in such limited supply that is criminal. But that's why if you see on cereals, it'll say, you know, just we give you eight essential vitamins and iron, right? Because in a vegan diet, they're lacking in iron and they're lacking in most of the B vitamins. So Kellogg's will spray it on to the products. You know, it's a bastardized version of the vitamins is not the best version you're going to get.

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Try NimiSkincare at Nemeyskinkare.com with my code Alex Clark for 10% off. That's Nemeyskinkare.com with code Alex Clark for 10% off. or find the link in the show notes. Okay, so let's go into how you decided to make this documentary in the first place. I mean, with being a celebrity fitness trainer, were you just seeing all the sudden a bunch of celebrity clients that were getting duped into this vegan life? And you were like, wait a minute, okay?

As a health expert, this is not healthier. Or what was it about the whole vegan diet that concerned you? Well, look, I was in Hollywood for 30 years, and I've worked with everybody and their cousin. and believe it or not, what people don't realize about actors, they think actors are pampered little, you know, babies, right? Actors are type A personality people. And I had actors who were vegan, but when you say,

okay, we need to put on some muscle for this role, right? You're going to be in this movie and they want you to be muscled up. You know, you're going to be an action star for this movie. I would say to him, listen, we're not going to get you there without you eating red meat. They dropped the vegan diet like a bad habit. They just drop it like first period French. It's done. And they keep it that way until after the movie.

And then they'll go back when they can go back to being a skinny wimp again, they'll go back to the vegan diet. But these people, when you said this is what it takes, the studios hired me to get you in this kind of shape, your agents, everybody, your managers. They just change, right? all but maybe, I could think of maybe three vegans in Hollywood, and I'm actually friends with all three of them. So I'm not going to out them, right? So you're saying the whole thing is a lie. I mean, none of these people that are like, I'm vegan or whatever, because I care about animals, they're not even actually eating true vegan diets. Most of it, like, I can say there's some of them, you know, my friend Alexandra Paul, she will not, she'll just say, I'm not going to do the movie.

There are some people who live by that, you know, they will not touch meat, right? But then we call them and they call themselves Cheegans. They cheat on the vegan diet. They dub themselves Cheegans. I know a couple of vegan athletes who are on the internet and they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers going, hey, I can run 24 hours without stopping and I'm a vegan, right? I'm this vegan athlete, yet they're Cheagans.

I know this because I've worked out with them. Wow. So, you know, you're telling a lie to push a agenda that doesn't actually work. Talk about the difference between veganism and vegetarianism. I mean, it sounds simple, but the belief systems between the two for people that are just very new to this or ignorant about it. Vegetarianism is actually almost kind of healthy, right?

It's, you know, I've asked vegans in the past to say, listen, if you're a vegan for ethical reasons, like you think that you're not killing animals, which, again, that's a you saw that in the movie. I could have done 90 minutes just on that. And, okay, I get it. You don't want to eat anything that had a face or that could look at you. I get it, sentient beings. But if you're a vegan because you think you're being healthy,

we need to stop you. Or if you are against killing sentient beings, but you're okay with eggs, a lot of times you can get vegetarians to eat eggs, right? It's an embryo. you can get some of them to eat fish, pescatarians. You can get them to eat fish. So now you're getting them closer.

A lot of vegetarians will eat dairy products, you know, milk, cheese. This is getting, you know, you're now getting a higher amino acid complex, you know, diet. Now you're almost there, right? You can actually be a healthy vegetarian, but the pent ultimate is to eat red meat. So the difference is one will kind of shade the gray area. The other one is, you know, we're dug in. This is it. And that's why vegans, most vegans stop being vegan in the first three to six months.

But who is the original person that was like, hey, you know what? I have a great idea. How about we basically only eat these two items and this somehow is going to bring peak health? Like who was this person? And what was it that they thought was such irrefutable evidence that veganism was like the end all be all best healthy diet? Oh, Alex, young, young Alex. Oh, darling, you need to go back and watch my first documentary called Fat a Documentary. Tell us.

It was one that started at all. Most people think veganism, like when I ask people, I'll ask you, how long do you think veganism has been around in the world? Since the 90s. Like, I'm thinking it's so new. Okay. You know what? Most people would say, oh, it's been around since biblical times. No.

walking the earth. No, because it was impossible. People didn't have all these options. Like you could only eat like a few animals that were around you. Right. And vegetation and whatever you can find, right? Veganism, there's a church called the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. You know, I'm sure you've heard of it.

And not a bad church. I don't have anything against the Seventh-day Adventist at all. But in around 1865, I don't have the year exactly right, but around 1865, I think Lincoln was in office during that period. Ellen G. White was a woman who worked for, you know, she was like an upper upper echelon in the church. And she woke up one morning and she said, Jesus came to me last night during my sleep. Now, red flag number one. Well, look, if I woke up tomorrow morning and I tell my wife, Jesus came to me in my sleep.

she would have me committed by meantime. You know, they were, oh, we need to get you help, honey, it's going to be okay. No, no, no, no. But in 1865, Ellen G. White said, Jesus came to me in my sleep. And instead of having men in white coats come and haul her away, they said, oh, what did Jesus tell you? And she said, Jesus said that we shouldn't eat anything with a face. So any animal that can look at you, any sentient being, we can't eat that. Well, that was a problem because we didn't discover the first vitamin is what it was called when a German person discovered it.

And around 1920, 1925, I can't really remember. We discovered the first vitamin. And then we discovered that there were 12 more. So there's 13 vitamins in total that we need to sustain life. So anyone who tried to become a vegan back in 1865 could not do it in actuality because you would die. you would die from veganism. But by the 1950s, we were coming up with exogenous vitamins, you know, symptom if you will, you know, just some kind of way for people to get vitamins

because we had discovered all of them. Now you had a small cult of people who said, oh, we can live this way and just take these exogenous vitamins. But it really did not take hold until the 19, I want to say 1960, The, well, Ansel Keys came around when Eisenhower had a heart attack and said, okay, it was because he was eating red meat. And that was the 60s? No, that was 1957. Okay.

And in 1957, Eisenhower had a heart attack. Ansel Keys from Minnesota University said, it's from all the meat. And we hear that all the time. My dad has major heart issues. He's had multiple heart attacks and all this. and every time the doctors are like too much red meat. We're still stuck on that, Alex, but here's the deal. The part that Ansel Keys left out was that Dwight D. Eisenhower smoked north of three packs of cigarettes per day, every day.

Let's not look at that as a reason the guy had a heart attack. Let's look at the fact that he also ate red meat. So did every other American. So Ansel Keys started going down this road. In 1968, the left was running for office. And as the left always likes to do, and I think it's a brilliant thing to do. Hey, let's give people a lot of free stuff and they'll vote for us. It works.

They've been doing that since the beginning of time. So, you know, the right does their own things. Like, hey, let's make everyone scared and they'll vote for us, right? And both parties have their thing, right? and they work like a charm. So the left went, okay, we need to give people some more free stuff. So Kennedy goes down, Robert Kennedy, because the other Kennedy was already dead. And he said, you know what, there's a lot of poor people down south.

So we're going to create food stamps. But we can't just create this willy-nilly. If I want to run in a couple of years, I have to do something really big. So they started something called the McGovern Committee. So McGovern sets up this committee and they're going to study hunger in America. And of course, within a couple of years, they figured out, oh, wait, we can now give people food stamps and no one will be hungry. Well, people are still hungry, by the way. And we still have food stamps.

We call it something else now. But it's still there. nonetheless, the McGovern Committee met from 1968 to 1978, 10 years. 10 years. Now, let's think about that. We just had the committee for the September 6th thing happened. You mean January. I'm sorry, January 6th.

Thank you. I'm old. So the January 6th committee met. How long did they meet? I don't know how long they met. They met for a couple of weeks. It was on television. It's like three weeks.

Can you imagine that going on for 10 years? No. So what was this group trying to meet about with the food stamps? Remember Ansel Keeves back in 1957, 58? Yeah. They had pushed food stamps through, but they just kept the committee open and they just kept meeting because they were trying, Ansel Keeves was trying to push this thing into, hey, let's say that meat is bad and vegetables are good.

So when the committee ended 10 years later, they just threw their hands up and went, and I have this all on film, by the way. I have the actual footage. You can see it in Fatta Documentary. At the end of it, they just said, I don't know, let's just go with, eat less meat, eat more vegetables. And right after that, we adopted the food pyramid from a different country. We just made it our food pyramid.

And then right at that moment, we started getting fat as a nation. right at that moment. The whole food pyramid scam is one of my absolute favorite rabbit holes to go down because, I mean, once you find out how the government lied about that, then I think it really makes sense, oh, well, they lie about all these

other things, too. I mean, big food is no exception to all the other lies that were sold by the government. I know that my audience definitely believes that. So you decide to make this documentary was it because you just saw how popular in the mainstream and pop culture and everybody

was making veganism, making it seem like it was just this victimless, victimless thing. It makes everybody healthier and you just knew that wasn't true? Or what wasn't adding up for you that made you feel like I have to speak up on this? Meaning the first movie? Yes, sorry. Yeah. So I was out in Hollywood and people, you know, the podcast got really popular in my book. Fitness Confidential became a big deal.

And, you know, I was being, I was on talk shows and everything. And everyone was like, you should put all this together. You have all this knowledge. put all of this together and do a documentary. And I was like, I'm not a filmmaker. Well, one day I was leaving the Adam Carolla show. And the guy that was coming to take my seat for the second half of the show, he said, hey, man, I'm a big fan.

I've lost a lot of weight, you know, following you. I was like, oh, geez, thanks. And we traded numbers and he called me. I called him because I looked him up and he had just done a movie on the, a documentary on the band, Chicago. and guys my age, we grew up on that band, right? And it was like, oh my God, this is great. And I called him, said, man, great documentary.

And then I had him meant to do a show with me. And he said, you know, you should really do the documentary. And I said, Peter, I have no idea how to do it. He goes, I'll do it with you. And said, I don't have the money to do that. It's a lot of money. I mean, everyone's telling me it's a half a million dollars. He goes, we can do it for 150,000.

I will work for free. You know, we both know, people in Hollywood. We could get camera people to work for free. Let's put this together. So I said, 150, that's still kind of steep. I don't know if I want to part with that kind of money. And he said, well, let's crowd fund it. And so we crowdfunded it and got well over a quarter of a million dollars. We were asking for 150 and got a quarter of a million. And we were off and running. And we did this first documentary. It was picked up by Gravitus Ventures. It was put out around the world, I would be on airplanes, and I would see my documentary up there.

And I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe. I would show everyone on the airplanes sitting next to me. It's like, hey, that, hey, that, and there was a young girl like you sitting next to me one day with the headset on. And I'm sitting on a plane. I'm like, honey, honey, listen, that, and she looked at me as if to go, hey, oh, man, leave you know. I was just so proud of this thing being on airlines and just on, you know, every, you know,

on Amazon and everywhere else around the world. And the first documentary fat, right? Yeah. What was that exposing the premise of that first documentary? It showed how we got fat. You know, I went against the pyramid. I talked about Ansel Keys. I talked about, I went back to 1865.

I talked about LNG White. I brought it all up from 1865 to present day, all in 90 minutes. And it really, it really, took the world by storm, most to my surprise. Why do you think it was so shocking to people? I don't think anyone ever thought about it. A lot of people, we got, you know, I call them cards and letters because I'm old,

but we got tons of email. I ended up having to hire someone just to help me answer emails, and that one is still employed by me. People, wait, do you mean a pyramid's wrong? You mean heart-healthy grains are not heart-healthy? It was all of these things that were exposed that no one, knew about. No one knew about this stuff. And it just, it was crazy making to the rest of the world. Right. And because that did so well, we ended up doing fat. The whole name of the movie is called

fat, colon, a documentary. And then it was so good that we did fat a documentary too. and that was probably a better movie, but it still never beat, you know, the first documentary, it did really well. The first one was like, you know, it's like doing Rocky one and then doing Rocky two. You know, it's going to do well, but not as well. And then, of course, when we did Beyond Impossible,

that thing just meteoric. It's still like... Why do you think that? Why do you think that Beyond Impossible ended up having such a cultural impact? When you're just like, hey, I think the whole, vegan stuff is a sham. I mean, did you expect that to get the same reaction as the first documentary? I didn't. I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't think anyone was going to watch any of the three to be, if I'm being very frank. But the third one, I was just looking at, look, I ask myself

questions, right? And then I try to fill in the answers. I'm a curious person. I've been doing that my entire life. So I see beyond burgers and impossible meat. and all this stuff, you know, coming out, right? It's everywhere. It becomes ubiquitous, right? And I'll look around and go, wait a minute. They're saying it's better for the planet. So at first, I just did some like Google searches.

And what did you find? Well, the first thing I found was most of this stuff is they get it out of China, right? But they manufacture it in the United States. So I'm sitting there going, wait a man, the ingredients are coming out of. of China. So somehow it has to get here. That means we need to use diesel power of some sort or jet a fuel. Either you got to put the stuff on a plane or you have to put it on a boat. Oh, by the way, they have to get the stuff. They have to mine it there. They have to, you know, that's basically all, it's none of it is Greta Thunberg approved. Oh, Greta Thunberg would

throw up if she knew the amount of energy that went into them just getting it to, the United States. Plant-based products. A plant, yeah, the raw ingredients. And then you get it to a plant here. We actually show, you saw it in the movie, the plant mixing up this goo, right? And all of the stuff. And now I'm looking at, okay, now we have more CO2 carbons going into the atmosphere,

more diesel fuel going into the atmosphere to run these plants, right? But the goop, the goop for the plant-based burgers, they tell us, is healthier and it has all of these nutrients in it? Well, you're getting ahead of me, Alex. I was talking about the atmosphere. I was still on Greta Thunberg. Okay. Right?

So I'm going, okay, it's not healthier for the environment. I can't imagine that a cow fart is worse than this. So now I'm looking over here and I'm going, okay, they're saying it's healthier than meat. Now, what can be more bioavailable than what we were made to eat, tens of thousands of years ago, right? You can go back to Chromagnum man. You can go back to whatever. Just go back to wherever you want to go back to.

Whether you believe in creationism or not, you go back to what we were before. We were made to eat other animals. That's how we survived. That's how our brains became the size they are and we are who we are. Okay. So they're saying something that's made in the lab

is better than the bioavailability of meat. So now I started going down that, rabbit hole. And I couldn't even get close. As a matter of fact, when I was done looking at it, because my degree is in exercise physiology and nutrition, I compared it to an Oreo, and it was kind of a wash. It's like, you can have an Oreo or Beyond Burger. They're nutritionally pretty close to the same thing. Pretty amazing, right? Criminal. And by the way, they're both vegan. An Oreo is vegan and the Beyond Burger is vegan. And they're both about the same. Now, folks, when you go look it up, you can go, well, he's lying because the Beyond

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Everything when you look into every aspect of veganism and the plant-based industry and plant-based diet, everything is a lie. It requires faith just like a religion would to believe this crap. And I thought that was a brilliant choice. Yeah, you know, we even got this woman. Her name is escaping Lear Keith to be in that movie. Lear Keith was a diehard vegan her entire life. And she came, you know, over the years, she was vegan for like 30 years. Her body was failing her.

Even with all the extra vitamins and everything she was taking, her body was failing her. her body was failing her miserably. And she was trying to grow her own fruit and vegetables and everything else. And she knew she was living a lie. And one day she, you know, because she would see the amount of animals she had to kill to get that to grow, right? The insects and everything else would have to die so that she can have one head of lettuce. And one day she just woke up and said, I'm about to die. I can't live like this anymore.

and I've been lying about, you know, since I started growing my own food, I'm out there spraying pesticides and everything else. I'm killing ground squirrels and, you know, moles and voles and everything else. This is not right. Well, this is one of the biggest tenets of veganism is that people latch on to this belief system because they do truly feel like it's a morally superior choice when it comes to diet because nothing dies. And I know that this is something that you cover in the documentary, but for people that have

not watched it and are hearing this for the very, first time ever. Why is it a lie that being vegan means nothing dies? Well, when you crack land, when you just crack the land, you're killing, you're killing. You're killing worms. You're killing moles and voles and things that live right below the surface, right? There's a whole ecosystem that just lives right underground. All of that is dying, little furry animals, you know, chipmunks, everything, dying, just to crack the land. And then you go and you plant, right? So when you plant, now you have to spray because you have to kill every organism other than a plant. Monsanto has figured out how to kill everything except the plant. As a matter of fact, with soybeans,

they've created a super soybean so that they can put their spray on it and it won't die. Right. Right. So it's, you know, all these GMO foods and everything else. Well, I just, I just had somebody on the podcast. When this comes out, it'll have aired before you. But I have this guy who used to work for Greenpeace left. Now speaks out against a Greenpeace, but he is still so gung-ho on GMOs and that they're not bad and all of this.

So the audience just heard his defense of them. Now they're going to be like, wait, this guy doesn't like them. Why? I don't know if GMOs are all that bad. No one has ever been able to prove if they're bad, but they are genetically modifying crops so that, you know, they can grow better under the stress of these chemicals. If you listen to William Davis,

and he's got a compelling argument in his book, Wheat Belly, he would explain why wheat wasn't killing us before, yet it's killing us now. And you're talking about glyphosate. Well, not just the glyphosates, but also, you know, in order to get it to withstand the wind and everything else, they started genetically modifying the stock of the wheat and to handle glyphosates and everything else that they put on it. Right. So that, I don't know, I don't know where William Davis got his stuff from, and I don't know how pertinent it is, but he makes a compelling argument in wheat belly,

and it would really make you think about ever putting wheat in your mouth. But are they inherently bad? I don't know. But I don't particularly care because I would never eat it. You couldn't pay me enough to eat that. So getting back to everything you're killing. With the glyphosate, you're killing every worm, every bug, every, you know, again, sentient beings are dying.

And when you go to harvest this stuff, oh wait, before you harvest it, depending on where you are in the country, you're killing large animals. And you saw that in the film. This farmer in Arkansas, they go out under the night, you know, under the cover of night when these razorback hogs

gog and start eating the crops. They have night vision goggles. It's like, you know, it's like being in the Army. Yep. They go out and they just shoot thousands of pounds of meat per night. And, but there's nothing they can do with that because where are you going to take, who's going to say?

skin that, who's going to, you know, no one wants it. You can't go to someone's house at two in a morning. Hey, we just kill 1,500 pounds of, of hogs. Would you like these? Right? No one's going to do that. In some parts of their country, they have to kill deer. They have to kill. They're killing Bambi. So you can have a Tofurki. Right. They're killing Bambi. So anytime you're having tofu and you're feeling all good about yourself, Bambi died. You know, you know, Piggy died. And is there even any vegetables in this fake meat at all? What is in this food?

I can't remember all of the ingredients, but it's a chemical S-storm, as they call it. It's just chemical on top of chemical. Even the thing that makes it bleed, they call it heem. Oh, yeah, that grosses me out. It's like a plant burger, but it looks like there's blood. But what is that? Yeah. It's just a coloring thing.

You know, it's chemical coloring. They call it heem and it looks like blood. It's supposed to taste like blood. They want everything about meat except meat, which is nutty. And by the way, I wish I had put more footage of this. In the combines, you know, people think that most of the little rabbits and squirrels and everything get away from the combines. They have to stop these combines every couple of hours to pull out dead animals. Pick out the bones.

going on. The guy showed me buckets, five-gallon buckets full of dead frogs. And these are the ones that they can get to. A lot of these things get dismembered and end up in the grains. How do you explain some of these athletes and celebrities like Cam Newton especially talking about how like, hey, eating this meatless diet has made me stronger and faster. Now I'm the supreme athlete. Well, Cam Newton is a great example because he started eating a vegan diet and he was out of the league in one year. You know, the receipts. So here's the thing.

Cam Newton was one of the probably best athletes in the world. Went vegan, had a simple injury and couldn't recover from it. You take someone, the guy who won the Super Bowl this year,

Kansas City, really good quarterback. I can't think of his name right now. This guy's phenom. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes. Okay. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes gets hurt in the playoffs. He's a meat eater. He's back next week.

He gets hurt right before a halftime in the Super Bowl. They passed him up, had him back in. No, this other guy gets a hangnail, his career is over. I'm paraphrasing here a bit, but... You're right. You know, and I can show you example after example. You know, I go after that movie beyond... What do they call the movie?

game changers, right, where they show these athletes. That movie, I talk about it in my movie, Beyond Impossible. They showed a guy that they said, this is one of the strongest men in the world. It was like a weightlifting competition winner. They said like he's the number one strongest man in the world and he's vegan. Right. And you see, I'm what they call a nerd. And when you're a nerd, I've been watching strong man competition since the 70s.

when I was a kid, they would show them on a program called Wide World of Sports. And I would watch these programs, and I've known every strong man from the 1970s until last year. And they're going, this guy is one of the strongest men in the world. Wait a minute. I've never seen him in the competition. And they're saying he's a record-breaking. He doesn't even look to be of the ilk, right? He's not that size.

These men... He was lifting these little tiny weights in the documentary. I don't even know what it's like I went and looked the guy up and the guy I found the competition he won. It was like in a town in Texas with like 1,500 people. It was a vegan festival and they had a vegan strongman competition and he was the strongest. So that's like saying you're the strongest of the weakest. The whole thing is an illusion. The entire thing is a sham.

And now we have the founder of him. possible food saying, hey, you know what? It's my plan to replace all the animals in the food system by 2035. That is 12 years from now. How realistic even is that? Well, look, those same people have been calling since I was a kid. I'm 60 years old. They've been calling for the end of the world forever. I heard by 1980, by 1980, California will not exist because the water will rise so much. the coastline will be somewhere around Nevada. Okay. I lived in Santa Monica for a long time,

and I never saw the water coming up. I never needed to buy boots. So everything they say, like Greta Thunberg said, oh, in a couple of years, you know, if we don't do something right now, how dare you, how dare you, how dare you, we're going to be, okay,

we've already passed a couple of those dates. None of that has happened. Yes, she deleted. She deleted the tweet. She had tweeted the world was going to, Really? Yeah, then it didn't end, so she deleted it. Yeah, just moving on. Oh, that didn't work. Okay, moving on. Next lie. If you have juice in your fridge right now, look at the back of the container. Does it say citric acid? If it does, that's something you want to avoid. It's a preservative and flavor that's typically made from the mold of GMO corn.

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I don't get the cognitive dissonance of the same group of people saying that, you know, all natural is better in all this. Now they're willing to eat completely processed food, which is what a plant-based diet is. All of those products are all processed. And then, you know, they all hate big business. They hate the billionaire corporations and all of this. But the people who are now pumping out all of these plant-based products are places like Subway and McDonald's in Burger King. And somehow they're all okay with that. Nobody seems to see like, hey, what if this is all just a huge money grab?

Well, look, it's like it is a money grab. You know, all this stuff starts with big food, you know, Unilever, which is like craft, but in Europe. you know, and we have all these big companies here, is cheap to sell all of this junk food. It's more expensive to sell milk and eggs and meat, right? It just is. So they want to fill the aisles up with stuff that shelf stable, crappy stuff, and that's what everyone is eating.

So it's in their best interest that we keep eating this way. They don't want to see it. And then, you know, look, if you go look at the, and by the way, this sounds like I wear a tinfoil hat when I talk about this, but you can go look at the AHA, the American Heart Association, or the ADA, the American Diabetes Association. They're bought and paid for it by Coke, by Kellogg's, by, you know, these big grain companies. So they have to squint and say, well, you know, if grains are heart healthy, they're good for you.

There's nothing heart healthy about a grain. You know, breakfast is the most important meal of the day. that was actually started by CW Post, right? Guy that makes Post serial. You know, all of this stuff is just sayings that we believe. I remember when everyone first started having cell phones, they were saying, oh, you can't use a cell phone when you're pumping gas because somehow electrically is going to catch the car on fire.

Okay, if that was true, every gas station would have an X linebacker sitting there teed up. When someone brought a phone out, they would tackle. But that never happened. But every pump, Exxon, Texaco, Shell. Every pump had a thing that says, do not use a cell phone while you're pumping gas. Based on nothing. That was not based on any science. It never happened. No one ever exploded by using a cell phone. Same thing with airliners, right? You would get, 20 years ago, you get on an airliner, you cannot, under any circumstance, use it. It will bring the plane down. Okay, if that was the truth, they would take those away from you when you went through TSA.

Hell, they still make us take our shoes off because someone had some piece of a bomb in his shoes back during 9-11. So today we still think, so if these cell phones were so bad, we would still not be able to use them. Yet now you can use them in flight. So what happened? What happened? You see, we're being lied to all the time, but we don't realize it. During COVID, and I don't like to talk much about COVID, because people, have their opinions, right? But I had to fly out to California from Virginia during COVID.

And when I got to the airport, they said, get that mask up, put it on, right? I went through TSA. The airports was like, where are you mask at all time? It's federal regulation. That mask has to be on your face at all times. No ifs hands or butts. I had that mask on and tight because I'm not a rule breaker. right? I get on the plane. They're telling each person as we're going to play, under no circumstances

do you pull that mask down at all? Before they even told us to hook our seatbelts, once we were on the plane, they said, listen, FFA rules or FAA rules. Do not take that mask off of you. Keep it on. At all times during the flight,

even if you go to the bathroom, that mask has to be on your face. so mask, all right, I got to keep this mask on. As soon as we were at, you know, altitude, the woman comes around, she goes, would you like something to drink? I was like, oh, it loves something to drink, but I'll try to drink with this mask on. She goes, oh, if you have a drink, you take it off, right? So, okay, which is it?

Are we supposed to have the mask up or take it down? Because if I'm drinking, does COVID not happen? Right. So you see, we're being lied to all the time. it just takes people like me to go and decipher what the lies are. If so many of these fake meat products are actually being made by meat companies like Tyson, who is a huge investor in Beyond Meat, how are vegans okay with that? How do they rationalize that?

They don't. Because it fits the end need, right? They don't care where it comes from. Look, there's just a. as disingenuous as a nice guy. They don't care where the money comes from, right? They're doing this all the time. You got Cargill, you got Tyson,

you got all these big meat producers dropping money. So you'll go, well, why were they doing that? Well, when you're Tyson Foods, you give a billion dollars to something. It doesn't mean anything. They were hedging a bet. They lost because you can't get anyone to buy this stuff. I don't know if you notice the stock,

but the stock has plummeted. And they've raised more. more cash, it plummeted again. Eventually, people are not going to put anything into this. It's over with. The Beyond Meat thing failed miserably, right? Yet, you know, you think Cargill or you think Tyson is upset? Ah, they got billions. You drop a couple of hundred million here, a couple of hundred million there. You're hedging your bets in case things start going. Look, Ford is doing that right now. they're building electric f-150s you know electric what's going to happen do we know what's going to happen with electric but every car company is hedging their bets right and by the way is to greta thundbergs of

the world again i don't mean to keep harping on her that would say oh blood diamonds are bad and you know slavery is bad when do they think all this stuff is coming from to make these batteries right slave labor but no one's upset about that right giving my electric car i think this is what freaks people out is that every decade there's this new fat of you know eat this don't eat this stay away from fats and we had you know all the low fat craze that happened in the 90s don't eat this supplement with x y and z and yet somehow we're still getting fatter and we're still getting sicker by the day so what do you believe the solution is to all of this how do americans know what to trust when it comes to what diet is healthier?

They don't. They don't know what to trust. It's every man for himself at this point. I get on the phone with some of the other top people in this movement of getting people to eat real food again. And sometimes we just get downright depressing. What are we doing? Are we making a difference? And I think we are because, look, when I wrote Fitness Confidential 11 years ago, 12 years ago is when I was writing it,

been out for 11 years. When we were doing that, the word keto didn't exist. Now everyone knows what a ketogenic diet is. Everyone knows what low carb is. People love it, people hate it. You know, so we are making a difference because you can't deny that when people do this,

they lose weight. And they feel better. And they go off of type 2 diabetes medications and they don't have to have the mask on to sleep anymore because of sleep apnea. you know, things change. And we're hoping that there's going to be a groundswell of that. One of the things that, I mean, I think I was on the edge of my seat.

I couldn't, my jaw dropped to the floor when I saw you mention in the documentary that the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset, all of them want this global food transformation. And how do they plan on getting everyone in the world to comply with this plant-based vegan diet? Why are the elite so adamant about us eating plants and bugs? I don't know. Sometimes I think it's control. You know, they want to just control the narrative.

They want to control everything. You know, look, you're never going to get people in France to buy into this. These people love food. Or like African tribes or any of these places. How do you get these people to do this? The Messai tribe is not going to go for. this. They eat meat. They live on meat. You're not going to go to India. I've spent time in India. I went across India giving talks, you know, 12 years, 10 years ago. And you're not going to

get these people to change what they're doing. You're not going to get anybody to change what they're doing, right? This is all aimed at America and, you know, Western Europe. But most of America is not going to pay attention, right? And most of, can you imagine going to Wyoming and tell someone that you're not going to have anything except fake meat? No, this is what I don't understand when they talk about how they want to implement this global world transformation. How the heck are they going to get it done? I mean, you know, the only thing I can think of is it would have to be force. You would have to hold people at gunpoint and say you're eating bugs now. Right. And no one's going to do that. Exactly. You know, all this,

hey, we're eating bugs. It's like, come on, what are you doing? If you follow the money in the vegan world, where does it lead? It leads to, it goes right back to the World Health Organization. It goes back to these globalists. And, you know, some other goes back to, you know, big food, you know, the unilevers of the world. Look, we made direct connections. We can make direct connections. It's not hidden.

Well, James Cameron, talk about James Cameron and how he's the person that's making a lot of these vegan documentaries. This blew my mind, too. Well, you know, I was going first before James Cameron, you know, Walter Willett over at Harvard takes money directly from Unilever. And, and then he gets his scientist to squint and come up with what they want to come up with. James Cameron, one of the biggest filmmakers in the world, his wife is a devout vegan and pita person and the whole thing. This is the guy who made Titanic for, you know, the 90s and the 2000s babies listening.

Yeah. We showed it in the movie. He made this movie. game changers and talked, you know, the whole thing was like, hey, you can do everything you want to do on pea protein. Protein made from vegetables, right? You can use this pea protein to be as strong as anyone else. He had all of these athletes that were not as strong as everyone else, number one. And James Cameron, he had, I want to say, I can't remember, don't quote me, this 30 or 35 million dollar steak in a P-P protein company. So it was just a big advertise. The whole movie was just a big advertisement for him to build up his stock

in the P-Proteen company and then sell it. Put money in his own pocket. Yeah. James Cameron's not, look, everybody's out there and make a buck. And they're going to just say whatever it takes to make a buck. And he even got his friend Arnold Schwarzenegger to show up in a movie. And, yeah, okay, Arnold Schwarzenegger, let's look at that for a second. The guy was...

the greatest bodybuilder of all time. By definition, the guy took drugs. He's a drug abuser. He's a bodybuilder. By definition, bodybuilders are drug abusers. Um, owner Schwarzenegger went in the movie, lying saying he was a vegan. A week later, after the movie came out, he was showing his refrigerator at home and nothing but meat and eggs and everything else. Yeah. Well, we'll say whatever they, you know, they'll just say it. I mean, you can't make this stuff up, Alex. So for the audience that has, vegan or plant-based loving friends and family members. And they are like dying to convince them. You are in a cult.

This is a religion. It's not based in any reality. What is like the best way to convince these people that they're living a lie? You can't. I wish I could tell you that there's a way when they're in the throes of it, it's like any kind of, you know, look, I've had friends that became vegans, right? And we've lost friendship because I never tried to convince them of anything, but they wouldn't shut up around me.

Yeah. And at some point, you look at me, we can't go to dinner anymore. There's no convincing people. They have to come out of it themselves. And we know 80% of the people come out of it right away within three months. Were you ever scared while making a movie attacking this worldview that people would come after you? Oh, yeah. people have um you know i we get threats you know we get you know i get threatened all the time

you know like i'm a health and fitness guy i'm a pete teacher why are you threatening me what did i do right i'm just telling the truth but people get they get butt hurt you know and they they they just threatened so you've come out with a lot of movies you have an amazing bestselling book Beyond Impossible is mainly what we're talking about today. But what is next in the documentary roster? Are you going to talk about seed oils? I can't tell you what we're going after. But my thing now is to top what I've done before.

But something came, I started thinking about the next thing that's going on in health and fitness that will, this is going to blow your mind. Tell me. I'm hoping. I can't tell you. Give me a hint. You know what? When the show is over with, I'll tell you. Oh, the cute servants are going to kill me.

Yeah, I can't, but we've already started working on it. I'm already writing it. As a matter of fact, right there on my desk are notes. So if the camera pan down, you would see notes. I've already started working on the next one. I'm actually doing the first shoot in June. I'm going to Texas to do the shoot. I don't know if that's a giveaway of anything.

But I'll be in Austin, Texas, doing it. that first shoot and we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. And where can people follow you, find you so that they know whenever these new documentaries and stuff come out that they can look forward to? Just Google my name is Hart. Vinnie, V-I-N-N-I-E with an I-E, not a Y, Tortorich, T-O-R-T-O-R-I-C-H. Hopefully you guys will put it in the show notes, Alex. but you can find me and you'll find my website. I have a PDF on that website. We gave it away for free over 300,000 times.

And we just started charging for it six months ago, four months ago. And I'll tell you this, it's only a $10 charge. And the reason we put a charge on it is because I don't make a dime on that money. we there's so many people working here now you can understand this you have a show right there's so many people that work for me and my organization now and we have to pay them something of course we have to keep the lights on around here so I could be a 501 3C I just like I could I could be a nonprofit you know because I don't earn a dime from yeah I like it expose big food that's the Vinny that's the Vinny nonprofit. Yeah. And look, I mean, we've thought about going that route, but as long as people

give us enough money to keep this free, because I make my money, I'm an industrialist of sorts. I have a vitamin company. I have a foods company and I have a coffee company. And I never tell people they have to take any of my vitamins, coffee, or food to be healthy, ever. I would never do that. But that's how I'm able to have autonomy. I don't have to lie to people. I can just go, here's the truth because I'm able to make a living somewhere else. People will be so upset if I don't ask you as a celebrity fitness trainer who your favorite celebrity to train was before I let you go. I'm going to go with the one that they know the best.

Howie Mandel, because we became friends. You don't become friends with all of them, but Howie was my favorite. He was a few years older than me. We had the same kind of sensibilities. He made me laugh a lot. You know, over the years I had a lot of comedians like Bill Engval from the blue comedy, blue collar comedy tour and all those kind of guys. Also very funny.

I like working with Bill. I remember that guy being funny. There was actually a rapper. I can't say his name because a lot of these, you know, I signed, you know. NDAs. NDAs. But there was a rapper way back when. And I would never think it was like, God, this guy's got gold teeth and everything.

I don't know if I, he was such a smart guy. and such a good guy and really gave back to the community and always had a good time with him. You know, so over the years, you know, it's a rock star like that too. That I was like, oh, I'd never be friends with this guy, you know, they do a lot of drugs or whatever. This guy was salt to the earth. What a fun career you've had. I mean, I love this because you're always in a position to meet interesting people and then

also learn new things. And I think that's kind of the dream. I wish I could say it was a dream. It all seems like a dream sometimes. I always tell my wife, if I die suddenly, get rid of my cell phone because all of the names are in that cell phone, you know, and their numbers and everything else. Some of them are so famous that we have them under different names and that kind of thing. Well, if you ever need somebody to volunteer to go undercover to expose like a chicken nugget plant or something, I will go into the chicken nugget factory and play the part. I'll put a wig on or something.

You would have to have your hair back in a bun and do the whole. holding and wear the hair net. Yeah. Yeah, that would be great. Vinnie, thank you so much for coming on talking about all the myths with veganism and all of this stuff. Everybody needs to watch Beyond Impossible and then follow Vinny online so that you can look forward to his new mystery documentary, which I'm going to find out what it is before you.

We are in the middle of a food revolution. We're getting back to the food that God intended for us to eat. And every day I hear from conservative saying, you've started this journey with me this last year and your family's health has never been better. If you liked this episode, go back, listen to Season 4, Episode 18 with Denise Minger. She is an investigative journalist who completely dismantled the food pyramid that America used and taught in schools throughout the 90s. She was also a raw vegan before her teeth started to rot out.

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