Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - How To Glow Up Your Skin Without Botox & Filler + Wedding Skin Prep | @jamieanneaesthetics

Episode Date: August 7, 2026

Women spend billions chasing perfect skin — botox, fillers, lasers — and somehow there's always another treatment waiting 💉Licensed aesthetician Jamie McGuire spent over twenty years inside that industry, before her own health collapsed. We get into what the industry gets wrong on aging, inflammation, and hormones, and what it doesn't advertise: skincare isn't built to heal your skin. It's built to keep you buying it.Thank you to our sponsors!SAVA: Use code "ALEXCLARK" for 15% offBRANCH BASICS: Use code "ALEX15" for 15% off Starter KitsTECH WELLNESS: Use code "ALEX" for 15% off EMF-Free Air Tube HeadphonesCOWBOY COLOSTRUM: Use code “ALEX” for 25% OFFBIRTHRIGHT: Use code "ALEX" for 15% off your first orderOur Guest:Jamie McGuireJamie's Links:WebsiteIGBrand IGYouTubeTikTokFOLLOW ALEX:Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.DISCLAIMER: This content is for informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always talk to a qualified healthcare professional for any health-related questions or decisions.

What skin treatment should I be getting leading up to my wedding? I do actually have this in my book is a event prep. Just getting a really good facial the night before. But you do not want to get any kind of treatment a week before or a couple days before because if you have any purging effects that will come after a good treatment, those will come within a few days. So if you want to look your best and most glowy, you literally do something the day before.

You don't want to do anything new right before something like a wedding. Ice rollers. Only for inflammation, you don't really need these every day. Red light therapy. Love. Face taping. The best ever. Beef tallow.

No. Finish the sentence. Most overrated skincare product. Tretemone. Most underrated. Caster oil. Every year, women spend billions chasing perfect skin, Botox, fillers, lasers, medical grade skin care.

But what if the beauty industry is creating customers instead of actually creating healthy skin? Today's guest spent over 20 years. inside that world before her own health completely collapsed. After Botox poisoning, breast implant illness, years of gut issues and rebuilding her health from the ground up, she is exposing what she says the beauty industry gets completely wrong about aging, skin care, inflammation hormones, and what actually keeps your skin looking young. If you are an OG culture apothecary listener, you may remember licensed esthetician Jamie McGuire. She was one of the first guest I've ever interviewed. The interview was massive. So after this one, go back and listen to that episode,

if you want more skin and beauty stuff. Everybody love Jamie. So I am stoked to have her back now that she has a brand new book called Skin Fluenced. Watch this episode on the Real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify. Please welcome estetician and author of Skinfluenced Jamie McGuire to Culture Apothecary.

You spent decades helping women chase beauty and now you're saying, hey, I actually think the industry is selling women the wrong dream. So what changed for you? I got poisoned. with Botox. So that was a huge eye-opening experience that made me realize what I already had an inkling on, which was that a lot of the things that were told about beauty industries and

their different treatments and different products are somewhat a lie. So I worked in med spas for 10 plus years in L.A. And I kept seeing these same treatments and women over and over spending thousands of dollars without getting real results, or at least results that I found to be worth it. So when I put two and two together after getting poisoned, I was like, well, maybe there's something kind of more sinister going on here. How does the med spa industry actually work? Is it similar to a doctor's office where like a pharmaceutical rep comes in and tells you this is the treatment?

This is the machine. And then I don't know, you guys are just supposed to do it and they take you out to lunch and smooth you. Like how does it work? It's a little more casual. because basically they're going to interact with you as if they're your best friend, meaning the front desk, the practitioner to the client or customer. So they have more of a casual friendship kind of bond as the way that you start off. Think about any, you know, sales girl,

right? So you go into like a clothing store and they're trying to get you to try on all these different outfits. You only want to go in there maybe to look around and browse. But yet the sales girl is like there to, no, this will look great on you and let me put this in your dressing room. kind of similar to that, right? Where your guard is now coming down. They're either complimenting you a lot and they're giving you like these little buildups only to get you in a room to talk about all of your insecurities and definitely play on those in order to sell you a bigger package, a bigger treatment. So I was one of those girls that did that. I feel bad about it now, but that's why I know the other side of it where a lot of consumers do not. What do you think the biggest lie women are being told when it comes to anti-aging? I think that it's not okay to age. I think that that's ridiculous. I think that it's okay to want to look your best and to want to be comfortable in your own skin. And if you don't like something and you want to change something or improve, that's totally fine. I think that there is a lack of realistic expectations that is happening now where people are not okay seeing a wrinkle. And I'm talking even girls in their 20s. You see a wrinkle and all of a sudden that's not okay. That's normal. That's life. That is literally what are all of us are doing it every single second every day. We are aging every single day. Yet, if we have a wrinkle, God forbid, and you have to inject yourself with a neurotoxin at 20 years old because you've been

told that this is not good or something bad. Wanting to look good and not wanting a wrinkle, I do understand. But putting ourselves through what we're willing to do to get rid of that, to me, is where I feel like we've lost our minds a little bit, where women have really given up their true, I guess it would be their own self-love or their own critical thinking to others who are telling them that these things are not okay or that you could look better, you could do better. And then we all second-guess ourselves and women are just second-guessing themselves all the time about what beauty is. If we didn't have all of this influence on the outside, we probably would be okay with how

we looked and feel all the time. But it's the outside influence that's really changing everybody's perception. Tell everybody how old you are and what all you have in your face right now. I'm 43, almost 44. I don't have anything in my face right now. But I think when we talked about this on the first episode and I said I have nothing in my face, I mean that I didn't get anything in my face recently, right? So I don't have anything in my face for the last, well, when it comes to Botox, over two years, filler-wise, over six plus years. I haven't touched any of that. But I did have all these things done in the past, right? So I had Botox for over 10 years. I had fillers done back in the day. So

when people like to say, oh, she still has filler left in her lips. Yeah, I learned my lesson and I don't do those things anymore. But what's there is left there. I can't change it. I'm not going to dissolve them, which I already have several times. So that's a good point as well, that filler never fully goes away. It is permanent. And so I'm a great example of that, but, you know, I'm also not mad at it, right? So I'm totally fine with the decisions that I made back then. I can have regrets about them today and I can also learn from them today. It's the same way that I used to have implants and I don't have implants. anymore. I wasn't born knowing all the right things to do, all the things about toxins and all, you know, everything that we do now for clean living, I've learned and I've evolved. And so

claiming that somebody has these things still in their body, like a troll that likes to, you know, think they have a gotcha moment with me. Yeah, it's old. I don't get it anymore. And really, I couldn't tell you what's left and what's not. I definitely maintain what I have by the way that I eat, my skincare, my healthy lifestyle. So, you know, there's only going to be a certain amount of things that are going to be left in my face when you, you know, now become 43, 44. They go away real fast. So whatever is left from back in my 30s when I made a mistake back then, there's going to be tiny drops of that left. And I mean, forehead moves. Forehead moves. I can vouch. I have the same exact story of several years of getting all that stuff. And then now haven't done it

in many, many, many years. And so, yeah, same thing. Like, I haven't touched anything. If there's any a little bit of filler left, it'd be a little in my lips. But that's all. Yeah, you know, you're now evil because you have that done and you talk about not doing it, but God forbid, you learn your lesson. God forbid. People don't like that. I don't think hearing that because then they, I don't know, I don't know what it is that they like wielding that against people. But what are you doing then instead? Because you look phenomenal. I know that you are an esthetician. So obviously you've got the skincare on luck. But I know you do other things too. So what are the other things that you do that are non-invasive that help prevent or at least minimize wrinkles? Well, it's going to be a shameless plug, but I stand by this 1,000% is germ rolling. And that is my own thing that I've done myself at home for over 10 years. So regardless of back when I was getting Botoxin filler, this was something that was regularly in my routines. It's comparable to microneedling. It will have those similar benefits when you are consistent with it, right? It's not going to have like the overnight or instant gratification effect of like an in-office microneedling treatment, but that's also way more expensive. There's a lot more downtime. There's a lot more risk. This is something that's kind of like cumulative. that you can do at home. So what is it?

I don't even know what derma rolling does. So dorm rolling, again, like is a form of microneedling. So it's a small tool that has very tiny needles that are single needles. So there's kind of differences between good rollers and bad rollers. Ours actually have single needles. So you can see each one not like stamped discs. So the ones you'll find on Amazon or different companies that are coming out with these rollers. If you can't see through the head, the base head, typically I've actually done this on

my social media where I'll crack them open and they're just a stamped disc that have almost like pyramid-like shaped spikes rather than a needle. So if you compare it to like a needle that you would get an IV with or an injection, like you want a precise needle that's going in and out of the skin, not something that's a pyramid shape that could potentially open the pore and drag and cause tearing on the skin, which is what those bad derma rollers can do and why they can get a bad wrap, right? So this tool specifically when you have the right one has those microbeysmal. benefits like a microneedaling treatment. It's not going to go to the same depths, and that's intentional for us because we wanted to make sure that we're just creating tiny microchannels

that allow products to absorb deeper. So the good products that you're using, great serums, like you're using stem cells or exosomes or vitamin C serums, anything that's like really the heavy-hitting, game-changing serums that you're using regularly are only sitting on the surface. So when you do the micrneedaling treatment or a dermeroling treatment at home, you're allowing those products to absorb deeper. Now, this isn't something you have to do daily. I go through phase. of like doing it two times a week and then I'll do that for a couple months. Then maybe I'll go down to like once or twice a month. So it's not something that you have to always be like super diligent about because every time that you do it, you are enhancing the results of those products no

matter what. And over time, that is what helps actually drive and get those products to work harder. So when you're talking about things that are going to help prevent, that is something, again, that I have done for over 10 years on my own, why I created my own roller and now why I feel like my skin has the results it does today because I'm already using really great products. And now they're driving in even deeper and working that much harder. Besides helping your skincare penetrate deeper, is it also like helping your face produce more collagen or anything or no? That's a little bit of a myth. Collagen is more produced internally, right? So I don't want to anybody, and I would never make those claims that it's collagen producing. Okay. Alastin is a little bit different. So Alastin can

definitely build back over time and with the great products and things like Derm Rolling. You can enhance salastin or at least maintain and use things that are going to prevent it from breaking down. Collagen, as far as microneedally is concerned, deep micraterally, they do make claims that it can produce collagen by causing injury. I'm kind of anti-causing injury for collagen production. I don't think that that is the ultimate route to take. When you want to enhance and change your skin's texture, sure, but like when you're trying to produce collagen, basically in a way people are thinking this is going to replace volume loss, let's be real. Like this isn't going to replace fat that is kind of being dissolved over time as we age naturally. That's just the natural

progression of aging. We're going to lose elasticity and loss of volume in our face. But there are certain things you can start now that will help it slow down and prevent it from speeding up, right? So those are the types of things that you can do. What is your opinion on facelifts? I love them. See, I feel like I will want to do a facelift eventually. That's where I think that it would have more results, right? So if you're talking about doing microneedling or even derm rolling or lasers to tighten skin, miss me on that. That to me is a waste of money and something that is that lie, that big beauty can tell you to make you believe that these are the types of things that are literally going to pull your face tight again when your skin has lost that elasticity or collagen.

That is not realistic. Maybe a temporary effect some of these things can have or it can just make you feel better overall because your texture is going to look a little bit better or you're going to have a little bit of a glow. But the thing is, when you lose the skin tightness, like when you have loose skin, there is no laser on earth that's going to pull your skin tight again. It's going to be an invasive treatment. And even though some people might think, oh my God, a facelift would be so invasive and I never want to go that route, that's totally fine. I completely understand that. But if you want those types of results, that is the reality of it. You have to consider that. You have to consider that It's either you spend $10,000 on some Morpheus8 package and believe all the BS about MorphiS8 going to pull your skin tight or you put that money towards a facelift one day if it's something that really bothers you.

I would personally be okay getting a facelift one day if I choose to do so. I don't have any problems with that. Do you think the beauty industry wants women to continue to get treatments? Like if they really were, I don't know, working towards women fixing issues and not needing treatments, then Wouldn't it be of way smaller industry? Yeah, of course. The whole system is designed to get people to, A, you know, be very insecure and they play off of those insecurities. And then they get you in a cycle where it's more, more, more. And that is what the med spas are basically about now. I don't want to, like, demonize all med spas out there. I'm speaking from personal experience from the ones that I've worked at, which were the top ones in L.A. I worked at plastic surgeons offices and at med spas. And I find med spas. spas to be a little bit more sinister, like I said, where you get trapped in these cycles of not only

the upsell, but more packages, more things, because one treatment doesn't do it for you, then you need this treatment. Then one treatment does something bad to your skin. You have like a side effect. Oh, then we have this treatment that you need to get. It's a vicious cycle that you just get stuck in because the minute you step foot in that office, they want to get you in there for life. That is the whole point is to have a regular customer that is going to be spending money on every single sale that you have, every package that you, you know, promote and get them in there getting treatment after treatment because that's why, you know, they have packages. It's not just a one-time deal. It's always like, oh, you need six sessions or you need, you know, 10 of these treatments or even three of these. And then

once you're done with those, they need you to re-up those or change it to something else. Do this laser. Maybe you don't want to have this fat right here. So let's get this frozen off. Like there's, it's just never-ending. It's literally number-ending. Have you ever watched little kids play tee ball? It's less of a sport and more of a hostage situation. I mean, one kid's picking dandelions. One's crying because the other team has orange snacks. One's running to third base because he felt called there.

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What is something that a lot of women are doing that they think is helping their skin, but it's actually making it worse? A lot of lasers out there. They can be good for some people. I talk about that I think most lasers are bad, it's because the main or I guess the general woman is using it as a quick fix, meaning they're already not on top of their skincare game. They're kind of doing all the wrong things. They're using a bunch of different products. They're, you know, getting influenced by this treatment or that product and whatever they're

doing. They're mixing and matching and they're never sticking to something consistently. So what they do instead is they see this miracle laser and they're going to go get this insane laser done. And what happens is they are using that as a crutch as like a quick fix, thinking that overnight, this is now going to give them beautiful skin like the influencer that posted it. When in actuality, you weren't on top of your skincare game to begin with. And now you're relying on this super invasive laser that's going to create more damage, more downtime, cost you thousands of dollars because you just want this overnight fix. Or how many women are like sucking down 12 Diet Coke a day?

And then they're like, why does my skin look so dull? Well, and that's the thing. They're relying on quick fixes. And instead of putting in the work, giving it time and consistency and really sticking to a good routine, being healthy, taking a look at their diet, their lifestyle. No, they want some miracle BBL-Moxy laser combo that they saw their favorite influencer post. And all of a sudden, their skin is going to look, you know, glowy and beautiful. And it's like most of the time when the influencers are even posting it, they're already on top of their skincare game, some of them. or they already had good skin.

And so you're going to see the after result, but the after result was already what their skin looked like anyway. It was just really nice skin. And maybe there's like a teeny bit of difference that you see. And it's temporary. It's like I'd rather put in the work every day to get the best skin possible and really know that it just takes consistency in time and patience rather than relying on quick fixes. The quick fixes is where all women are getting stuck in this trap. Is there any beauty trend that you can think of right now that we're going to look at in 20 years like, we do tanning beds. Yeah, again, go back into the lasers, to MorpheusA, CO2 lasers. I think that

all of those more invasive treatments that people are thinking they see a good result now, later on, they are going to regret it. Their skin is going to be more delicate, more sensitive, more thin. They're probably, they're going to be stuck in this special cycle forever. If once they start, it's very hard to get out of. You got Botox for 10 years. If somebody is driving and they're listening to this and they're on their way to their appointment, what do you want them to know? No judgment just because what happened to me, right? People are always going to do what they want to do regardless of my horror story or anybody's horror story.

You couldn't have convinced me back when I was getting Botox if I had heard my story that I would have stopped getting it. It just doesn't work that way. People have to learn their own lessons. I will say to at least take what happened to me into account and know that that is a possibility, regardless if you're getting one unit, 20 units and really weigh the pros and cons of that and see if the wrinkle or the line is worth what potentially could happen. Sometimes people just don't understand it until it happens to them. Again, no matter how many times you hear a scary story, it might not matter and they'll still go get it done. And God forbid, that could happen to them one day. And then it's just like you wish

you had known better. When it happened to me, I had a lot of shame and guilt over the fact that I did this to myself, even though I had never heard of anybody else getting Botox poisoning before it happened to me. And then the floodgates opened up with all these people that it happened to. It's kind of a scary thing to think about that it's like, okay, I don't even know if I would have changed my mind had I had this knowledge. That's really sad. That's a really sad thing. And that aging is okay, that it's okay to have a line and a wrinkle and that Botox is not going to fix this long term. You can't get it forever because you're going to eventually become really old and you're only going to be able to freeze what? Like the tiniest bit, nothing's going to stick. You have to get a facelift at that point, you know? So it's just one of those things you want to keep doing this forever. Do you regret ever getting Botox? No, because it taught me a lot. And it's where I'm at today. And what happened to me is actually the blessing in disguise, right? Because now I have this different kind of lens on the beauty industry. So I can't have regrets about that. I do think it did help slow things down. We've talked about this, I think, on the first podcast that we did where we said, do you think that it helped. to prevent some of the fine lines of wrinkles. And sure, if I got it for 10 years, definitely those fine lines and wrinkles that maybe would have formed deeper, it probably did slow things down.

It really did. But if I had known them what I know now, I just would have started facetaping back then and gotten the same result without having to put a toxin in my body. So we did cover this in the first episode, but briefly tell everyone who didn't listen to that one yet what happened to you after your last Botox injection.

It wasn't right away. It was about eight days later. I was actually going on a podcast, The Well Podcast, with Ariel Lor. And so it was going to be a filming podcast. And I had to, you know, make sure I was looking fresh and I had done a little bit of Botox. And I ended up doing like a guasha treatment the night before the podcast on my face and tried to even out, you know, the Botox. So sometimes it doesn't set in evenly. And the not the next day.

Luckily, during the podcast, I was okay. The day after that, I ended up having like debilitating panic attacks. I felt like I couldn't move. I couldn't. I was bedridden for weeks. The panic attacks are beyond what people would probably think a panic attack is. They were so horrible that I thought that I was going to die. Like it was one of those types of things where I felt like I couldn't breathe. I would have my throat was kind of closing up. My heart's racing out of my chest. I had such low blood pressure that I would start blacking out when I would start trying to just go to sleep. And I was trying to be in bed and rest as much as possible. And I would like black out when I would start to sleep. Did you go to the hospital? No, we knew that there was really nothing that the hospitals could do. So you knew immediately it was Botox? No, we actually, I had reached out to Ariel and asked her if this is what happened because she had just had Botox poisoning. And so it clicked to me that maybe this is what it was.

Whoa. She confirmed it. Then we did a lot of our own research and found all of these Facebook forums. There were so many people that this had happened to. All of the symptoms I was experiencing were textbook. Basically, there's nothing that hospitals can do. They won't even really recognize that it is Botox. poisoning. They don't even really think that that's a thing. So we didn't bother with that because also

what they could potentially have given me could have made the symptoms worse. How common are adverse reactions to Botox? Well, I wish I knew the exact number, but they are not reported. I mean, people do not report them. Doctors don't report them. And from what I've seen, it's very common. And they don't have to be as extreme as mine. It could be as simple as I get headaches or my eyes are a little bit more drier. I don't know, like something's off and you don't ever correlate it with Botox because the timing of when it happens, it's not like it's right after getting a Botox treatment. It's maybe a few days later, maybe a couple weeks later. And people, when I talk about it more openly, people like, I've actually started to look back on the timing of my Botox appointments

to my eyes being super dry or not focusing or, you know, having a crazy rash or something like that. And now they're starting to correlate it. But it's, I think it's happening way more than we realize. Would you ever get Botox again? Never. I couldn't. Yeah. Don't risk it. I'm terrified. Like it's, I, it's genuinely I'm terrified and I'm just, I have a different headspace around the whole idea of worrying about a wrinkle. You know, I really do. Let's talk about fillers for a little bit. Yeah. Do they actually migrate? Yeah. Absolutely they do. So think about it. If you, and I knew this even when I was getting fillers is I would be very strategic about where fillers went because I never wanted them to move and I never wanted it to be super heavy. So I would actually. get only little droplets of things when I would get them so that I made sure that I wasn't like weighing down my lips and things that were going to move or cause things to go downward, you know, with gravity. So you just do tiny little things that were in the borders or something that was going to actually help lift and maybe have a placement that would stay better.

When people are getting things like crazy cheek filler, all of that can not only move and migrate, but it will start to pull and drag down the face. So you're going to end up looking older. What do you think is happening to all these girls in their 20s who are getting preventative filler? Just wait. They're going to start looking crazy. Because it's going to just pull down? It's going to pull down. It absolutely migrates. The good news is you can get, you know, filler dissolved, but it doesn't all dissolve it. And it's very painful. And it's also a toxic thing that you're injecting. But I mean, that is the one option as opposed to Botox, right? Botox there is no option. You stick it in there and it's there. There's nothing you do. What about the sun? What does healthy sun exposure look like? It is very good for you. It's just how you about it. Baking in the sun is not necessarily the

healthiest, right? Like you don't want to be laying out in the peak hours with, you know, UV index being, you know, at 8, 10. I know you are a sun baby. I am. I love being a little rotisserie chicken. Just spin me around. But here's the thing. You have kind of built up that tolerance in your skin. I can't say for later what that would look like on your skin. You might be a little bit of a raisin kind of situation. Maybe. But some people, it also depends on your ethnicity and things like that that can tolerate more sun exposure. I'm Irish, Swedish, Dutch. Like, I am light, fair-skinned. I can get a very nice tan, but I don't want to be laying out or baking in the sun longer than 20 minutes at a time. When I talk about getting responsible

sun exposure, 20 minutes on the front, 20 minutes on the back, no SPF. I personally just don't use any. There's better non-toxic ones out there. Shout out to Primely Pure for having a really good non-toxic SPF that you can use. But being aware of the UV index. Morning sunlight, great, evening sunlight's great. Both of those times of the day you can lay out for longer periods of time or at least get more exposure, having nothing on your skin and being totally fine. If it's going to be like in the peak hours of the day, then you want to make sure that you're, you know, maybe changing the time that you're doing it. You don't want to be laying out for, you know, hours at a time. It's just damaging to your skin.

Botox wasn't the only thing that was making you sick. When did you start noticing maybe my breast implants are also harming me? When it had been some time after Botox poisoning and I still had lingering side effects of something. I didn't know if it was still maybe lingering side effects of Botox poisoning, which turned into MCAS, right? So I now have MCAS that it goes away and comes back. What is that? So mass cell activation syndrome. So it's basically your immune response not reacting appropriately. So it's basically like your body's in constant fight or flight and attacking itself. And you have these mass cells that will react to anything from a toxic fragrance to a high histamine food. It's just, it's very annoying, but it comes and goes. So it's not something I have to deal with all the time. But that was one thing for me that I was noticing some improvement, but not full improvement. And obviously, we already know that the implants in a foreign object and a plastic foreign object in your body is probably not the best. And if I'm not getting past a certain point with my health, when I know I'm so healthy and so on top of everything that I'm already doing, why am I not at 100% that maybe it's this foreign object in my body? And, you know, so many different podcasts and

experts that I listened to really open my eyes to the potential of breast implant illness. So that's why I did it. I always say if you're somebody who has mystery symptoms, I'm in like some kind of weird chronic pain. I can't get out of bed. I'm doing all these like neurological studies and tests and like nobody can figure out what's going on with me or I don't know any other symptom that's just like weird and bizarre and nobody can figure out where it's coming from. But you have breast implants. You need to look there. And I don't know why. So many women, like, completely overlook that. It's a foreign object in your body. And you make such a good point that I've never even thought about is that it's plastic. Yeah. The capsule itself.

People always ask the question, well, I do have saline or, you know, did you have silicone? I had silicone, but it had nothing to do with what was inside. It doesn't mean that you can't get breast implant illness from that part as well. That can leak and you can obviously get sick from that as well. But it's the capsule. Yeah. It's the plastic capsule. And we know on the show, we've had so many guests talk about the dangers. the plastic just reek on human health. Yeah. And wondering why people can't get pregnant and all these things.

And then you just like you have a giant plastic object in your body. I mean, that's like a no-brainer to me. You would think. But I understand why people don't realize it until you say it like that. And until I think I said this before was when a client of mine said it's like having a plastic water bottle in a hot car. I mean, it's essentially the same thing. It's warm to 98.7 degrees, 24 hours a day, seven days a week when it's in your body. After your ex-plant surgery, what were the biggest differences that you noticed in your health?

I felt just lighter. You could just tell that the things that I was dealing with, whether it be brain fog, fatigue, mystery, rash symptoms, just overall response to my body. And I think that it just genuinely like made everything just lighter in my body, just the toxic load. And I, you know, I wasn't dealing. I wasn't like bedridden from breast implant illness. In fact, my implants were intact. My capsules were all healthy and good. So I probably didn't have a lot of the poisoning kind of symptoms that come with really

aggressive breast implant illness like a lot of other women will deal with. I think mine had to do more so with Botox poisoning and my body trying to heal from that. And the implants made it hard to heal from that. Yeah. So it just helped me get to like the next stage of feeling that much better. Do you think overall women should avoid getting breast implants? Yes. Yeah, I think if you want to change something about your breasts, I would look more towards doing a lift, which I had an explant and a lift. And when I did my implants, I had implants and a lift put in or done. So I think the lifts are an option, fat transfers an option. There's risks with everything or you just enjoy having a smaller chest, which I think is also very beautiful.

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a good treatment if you can a afford it, be, be consistent with it, which, you know, they're like 700 bucks a pop to be able to go do a micrinated with PRP treatment and you have to do them at least three times. You're not just going to get a result from one. But if you can get them more consistently, I think migraining is an option for an in-office more, you know, invasive procedure. And then an IPL laser, I think, are great options to just get rid of a few little age spots, dark spots, broken capillaries. Those are really gentle lasers. And they've been around. for a long time. So the technology is kind of like it's ancient, but it's always just been good. It doesn't need to be really fixed. Why fix if it's not broken kind of thing? The new ones are the ones

to, in my opinion, look out for. Those are the ones that are going to be more aggressive, more downtime, more side effects, things like that. So I would just keep it to very simple treatments if you're going to do anything like an IPL or like a micrinated treatment. Okay. I also had a guy on the show, Dr. Raphael Gonzalez. He does exosome facials. What is it? that. He says this is the number one biggest thing in skin care. All the celebrities are doing it. I think exosomes are a great treatment. Something also that you can do with a microneedaling treatment, right? You can also do with derm rolling. We actually have a exosome serum that you can use at home with your derm roller. You sell that? Yeah. No way. From the Jamie Ann line? No,

it's the young goose vampire exosomes. Oh, young goose. It's incredible. It's just an option at home. So yes, I think exosomes are amazing. Ideally, what skin treatment should I be getting leading up to my wedding. Okay, so I do actually have this in my book is a event prep. Yeah. So it's different than what you would think. I would say just getting a really good facial the night before. The night before. Or the day before. Okay. But you do not want to get any kind of treatment like a week before or a couple days before because if you have any purging effects that will come after a good treatment, those will come within a few days. So if you want to like look your best and most glowy, you literally do something the day before. And then the next day is when you'll start to have that beautiful glow that's left over.

If you just want to do like a buckle massage facial, I know that you get facials anyway. So just do like your regular really good treatment. You don't want to do anything new right before something like a wedding. This is when if you, God forbid, have anything that goes wrong. Don't do it. Don't rock the boat. You're going to have hair and makeup for that day. Everything's going to be incredible anyway. So it's like you just want to have a little bit of that extra glow. But as far as any new treatment, anything like you could think of a laser or you could think of migraineally, even microneedaling, don't do anything before, like, big, before a big event. What about like a couple months out or something? A couple months out, you could do microneedaling, I think would probably be the best. I would start

doing micronealing maybe just two treatments and then give at least, I would say, like, three weeks before the wedding if you're going to do something like that so that you have plenty of downtime. You have plenty of time for any purging that's going to come out to come out. It can heal and you're fresh and ready to go because anything that you do within like that week or even sometimes two weeks, you might still be recovering from that come wedding day. Does that make sense? Yes. If somebody handed you $10,000 to spend on anti-aging, how much would you spend on skincare versus how much would you spend on diet and lifestyle? I would probably spend more of it on diet and lifestyle, all the things that I would rather have for longevity at home. And then I would just do the most simple, basic skincare routine because at the end of the day, that's going to have the most long-term beneficial results than just spending it on, like, if you spend $10,000 on skincare, that's going to run out at some point and then what? Yeah. So you spend those on, like, good red light panel at home. You spend it on good, you know, peptides even. You want to spend it on some supplements and having a freezer stocked full of, like, the best quality foods.

I think that that's going to be way more beneficial and long term. So you do think that a red light therapy device is beneficial for the skin? Yeah, but it's mitochondrial level. So the thing is that people, I've had a lot of followers reach out and say, oh, I've been using red light forever. I'm just not seeing much, da, da, da, da. And it's like, yeah, because it's all happening on a cellular level. It's not going to be something you're going to see this immediate result from.

It's about long term. And that's the problem again with these quick fixes. And everybody wants to see this amazing result happen immediately. It doesn't happen that way. I also think with red light therapy, it's less like physical appearance stuff. It contributes a little bit to that. But you're right that it is on the cellular level. It's, you know, giving yourselves a lot more energy and vibrancy.

There's different things like that. You'll have better sleep. I don't know. You just feel like you're functioning better too. 1,000. So I think there's just there's a little bit of confusion about what red light therapy is and does. If you look at somebody's skin, like what can you instantly tell just based on the surface of stuff going on internally? Acne, for sure.

acne, rosacea, eczema, any of the like red alarm bells, this is a big component to anything internal going on rather than it being a topical issue. The one thing that has both components is like a rosacea. That can have internal and external aspects to it, but I would say acne is like the number one. That is something is going on inside and it's literally your skin telling you that something's wrong inside that you have inflammation, something's off balance. We need to look internal. What is the guts? skin connection that everybody needs to stop ignoring. Well, if you have any gut issues, meaning if your bowels are not regular, if they're, you know, the stool itself is loose or you're bloated or you're, you know, if your digestion is just not on point and you have any skin irritation or

anything on your skin happening, even accelerated aging, sometimes it doesn't even come out in just acne. It could just be, I look so old for my age, something like that. It is definitely something worth looking into the gut for and then just the natural signs of any type of gut dysbiosis. I've heard of people seeing their acne totally go away, just getting regular colonics even. Yeah. And, you know, it's going to be kind of different for everybody because sometimes somebody will have a really healthy gut and then it's more of a hormonal thing. So that can also play a role in what they're experiencing with their acne. So it is something you want to get internal testing done. I recommend working with a functional practitioner. I don't think it's as easy as just saying like,

go get a colonic. Like, those are also, like, I personally never had a calonic. I, you know, I think that there is a place for them. I just don't think that that's like the end all, be all. But for sure, it's just as easy as saying we need to cut out processed foods, sugar, the things that are already causing a lot of the inflammation and gut issues to begin with. Then if you're still not seeing a result by just changing a few things in your diet, you want to get good testing done, work with a functional practitioner, see where the dysbiosis is happening, get those things, those levels optimized and get those markers fixed. What are some of your favorite examples of healthy meals that will give us Gorgina skin?

Simple. Steak. Any, okay, let's just say people don't like red meat. I would say meat in general or protein. So it could be a really good quality salmon, really good quality chicken, really good quality steak. So one of those. Salmon's really good if you struggle with dry skin. Yeah.

Salmon, I mean, the omegas are great. And I actually use Cetopia salmon. I find them to be incredible. They're super. I'm obsessed with Cetopia, but they won't notice me. Why? I don't know. I just keep shouting them out. I'm like, I love you guys. Not a peep. Listen, that makes me want them more now. You know what I mean? They're not just giving it away. They're not. They didn't even give me a free box. No, they're incredible. Yeah, I love so. That's like my, my salmon is my Cetopia salmon is my favorite. So the main source is like a good quality protein. And then always butter. I gotta say it. Butter. There you go. It's true. It's such a like great.

superfood that people are so anti because they think it's, you know, this super high in fat. It's like, guys, it's actually healthy fat and it's really good for your skin. I hear you talk a lot about the skin barrier. What is that? So the barrier of the skin is kind of like a bodyguard, right? So it's basically like a little brick wall that has these lipids, right? That's made up of collagen. It has cholesterol, actually, in it. And that holds everything together. So you really want a strong, healthy barrier. This is what hold your moisture in. It also helps to protect against any pollutions, outside elements that are going to, you know, create your skin to be affected by it. So that's where those irritants come in. So if you're dealing with like redness, dryness, things like rosacea, eczema, that's your barrier telling you

that it's a little bit broken and it's not working as well. So it's your protective layer. That's why having a strong barrier is literally like the best thing you could ever focus on when it comes to your skin health overall. How do you improve it? Well, what you don't do. is the things that will break it down. Over-exfoliating, doing, you know, when I talk about only cleansing once a day, over-cleansing, doing harsh treatments, using harsh products, using toxic products, things with fragrance in them. People don't realize that, yes, you might have this amazing serum, but it might also be a super toxic ingredient serum, and then that is eventually going to break down your barrier.

What do you think about that Claren's serum? You know the one? Yeah, I think it's garbage. Garbage. That is so popular. You know, Courtney Kardashian buys that stuff. this little bottle and uses it all over her whole body. She loves it so much. Oh, God. Yeah, I mean, definitely. The double serum. That's what it is. Yeah, the double serum. Just smell it. And it'll tell you,

it's basically like putting perfume on your face. Like, you may not notice these things right away, but I'm curious to see what her skin looks like in person. And I want to know how balanced it is, how dry it is. Those are different things. So you may not experience all the worst case scenarios of a broken barrier just by using the clearance serum. But other things that you can do over time will break that barrier down. And it's so important to have that barrier be as strong as possible for you to actually have really amazing healthy skin. It's like all I focus on is feeding the barrier the best things and nothing to break it down. No over-exfoliating, no lasers, no chemical peals, nothing. No chemical peals. Same thing. Breaks now the barrier. Within connection to the barrier,

we actually created a barrier repairing oil. So it's interesting because people will think or have a negative condensation about facial oils and specifically one that is castor oil, avocado oil. It has seabuckthorn and it has rosemary and pomegranate CO2 extract. These are actually all barrier repairing oils and products and ingredients. And they're all 100% organic. Certified organic made in USA. Wait, where do I get this? At jamian.com. Okay. Yes. I'm putting this on my list. And I was going to bring you some. We're changing the packaging. I'm like, I'm not giving her crap. I gave you one of the old bottles. I didn't get, I don't know if I have that.

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Yeah. And which is coming back. Oh, okay. So I sold out of it and didn't, we were not going to do it again. And I've had so much demand for it. I'm like, we have to bring it back. We have to bring it back. And then also, you partner with that company, Young Goose.

Yeah. They sent some kind of like firming lotion. Yeah. Oh, my word. You like it. That's. That stuff slaps. Okay.

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That's birthright.com. Use code Alex for 15% off your first order. Are we accelerating aging by washing our face too much? I think so. If you're definitely affecting the barrier over time, it depends on obviously what kind of cleanse you're using.

I think overcleansing is not going to break down the barrier. fast, but over time, I think that that will accelerate the aging for sure, because dry skin and a broken barrier will show fine lines and wrinkles that much more. Can too many active ingredients make acne worse? Acne is more of an internal condition. So what you're putting on topically could potentially cause more irritation or inflammation, but actives themselves, they can either help, maybe get down some of that inflammation. If you're noticing that they're causing more irritation or inflammation, then use common sense and start scaling back.

I think with acne, less is always more, and it's all an internal focus. And the less that you use on top of your face to prevent your acne from exploding and getting even worse is better until you get that under control. And then you kind of focus more on the actives to heal anything that's left over. So are you a tea tree oil girly, benzodia peroxide, salicylic acid or retinol for acne? None. None? Zero. So then what?

Internal. I don't, none of it. Just diet. Just fix your gut, figure out, and it could be hormones. It's not just diet. It's not just one thing. But it's diet, lifestyle, could be sleep, could be stress. It's so many different factors. And it's all going to break down to that first and foremost. I could care less about what you're actually putting on your face to, you know, sing something off. Because guess what? Let's say you heal one pimple, then, oh, next month, another five come out. Right, because it's not about what's happening topically. It's about what you're doing internally. And the thing is, I would rather have people do the least amount of things. I want you to do less before ever worrying about the topicals that are going to, quote, unquote, heal your acne. So ideally, somebody who's struggling with severe acne should be getting like a GI test done, like pooping in the in the French fry box and then figuring that out and sending it away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And working with a functional practitioner, I think that having somebody that you're working with that can read those markers and really know what's going on internally is very valuable.

And it tells you a lot. And if it's not the gut or you don't see any difference with healing the gut, then look to hormones too. What should oily skin people do? It's a balance. So it's odd because some people think that if you have oily skin, you have to strip down the oils more and more and more. It's the opposite. I would die to have oily skin. Also, I feel like your skin's balance.

Literally, this is the era for oily skin girlies. We love a glow. You've got Hayley Bieber talking about looking like a glazed donut. It's never been cooler or hotter to have oily skin. We love a glow. And people that have serious oily skin into adulthood, always age the best. They age the best. The dry skin people like me are going to age the worst. Well, you're also, you live in Arizona. I don't think your skin is chronically dry. It could be where you

live. Honestly, when I had clients out here, everybody's skin was dry. It's just the nature of the climate. So I think oily skin is something to embrace, not try and strip down. And a lot of people are like, even if they say it's just in the T zone, because that's technically not really where you want to be oily, even if you do want to have a glowy look, instead of stripping that down and let's say using a toner, you're exfoliating more, you're cleansing twice a day. It's the opposite effect. You want to actually do less because your body's natural oils are going to always be producing. And if you constantly are stripping them down, they're going to overproduce those oils. And that's what's going to create more oily skin. So stop trying to strip it down. Let your skin balance out. Do less. And again, the washing

once a day is usually the tip that I give anybody, dry or oily. And they see their skin start to balance out because that natural oil production is what our skin does on its own, and your skin actually needs to be more balanced, not doing too much. If you're somebody who's chronically dry like me and it's like, man, I'm doing everything. I'm using the more hydrating cleanser, the boisterizer. I've got hyloronic acid serums, like, but I still feel like I'm so dry. What are your recommendations? I still think like you might be doing possibly too much. Like I'd have to take a look at like your whole lineup.

It might just be too much. And that's also why we created a product that was meant for. for extra hydration and sealing in the barrier and giving that hydration back to the skin. Because actually it's the products that you use sometimes. So if you're not using the right products that are actually feeding your skin hydration, then they're constantly basically exiting the skin. You're not getting that moisture barrier that is actually holding it in. So that's kind of the difference.

And it doesn't mean that your barrier is broken or that you have a damaged barrier, but it's the products that may not be doing the job that you want to do. Tell everybody your thoughts on Dermapplain. because I posted how I have this, which I still haven't done, but this little peach fuzz buzzy thing that you told me to get instead of dermaplaining during a facial. He said that was bad for me. So I got this and everybody wants to know what the trimmer is, where do they get it and yada, yada, yada. Yeah. Do you like it, by the way?

I haven't used it yet. Oh, you haven't used it yet? I just had Vance get me some batteries and then. Oh, that's right. That was the text. Yeah. Yeah. And so I haven't done it.

I'm going to do it tonight. Okay. So try it tonight. I'm curious your thoughts. Dermopalining isn't bad. It's just when people go. go and get derma planning done and they end up with skin irritation or breakouts in this area, which can happen a lot and why I never did it to clients in office because it was too risky.

It was too finicky. That's when you have other options. This is just a little electric tool that I found on Amazon. And that's all I do to get rid of the peach fuzz. And you just go with the hair. You don't go against it. And instead of getting such a close shave like a derma planning does, like actual in-office dermapra planning where it's cutting so close to the skin and it's really like an exfoliation and you're

actually taking off skin as well. That to me is too much exfoliation. You don't need to have that close of a quote-unquote shave. So the electric trimmer just does what it does. Like it just takes off a little bit of that peach fuzz. You'll need to do it a few times a month. That's it. What do you search on Google? Or what do you search on? On Amazon? Trimmer. Electric trimmer, face trimmer. For women. For women. If somebody could only own five skin care products, what are they? I would say a cleanser, one or two serums, a moisturizer, and an SPF. I don't even think you need five. Do you like vitamin C serum? I don't personally use it. It's not that I find, it's not that it's bad. It's just that it's different for everybody. And everybody's individual specifics are always going to change, right, when it comes to a serum. I'm much more of a retinaldehyde girl, a stem cell girl and growth factors. Those are my go-to for anti-aging. I think that people that like vitamin C will like vitamin C. But as long as you have those in rotation that are effective and good quality serums and good quality products, then you'll be good to go. But again, it's going to be individual.

specifically what's good for somebody's skin type. How do women care for their skin during paramedopause? Don't freak out. What happens? Just you look in the mirror and you just don't recognize yourself. Oh no. Anymore. So you just felt like you looked older or what? Yeah. I felt like I just didn't like how I looked, that I was not attractive anymore, that I just wasn't me. And nothing might change, but you'll see it differently through a different lens. It's just something in your brain changes. And you really just need to find a way to talk yourself off of a ledge regularly. Maybe don't look in the mirror as often. It really becomes like this depressing place to be. Lord. It's sad. It's sad. And I'm there and I understand it now. And it's funny because the books that

I'm reading about it, they say like their quote is like, I just don't know who I am anymore. I don't recognize myself. That is like the perimenopause, like quote. So I felt validated when this happen and the skincare wise or what changes in your skin is you're going to see the rapid aging process happen more rapidly. It really does. It really, yeah, buckle up, girl. Okay. It does happen and there is, it happens to everybody. It's going to happen to all of us. There's not much you can do about that other than getting your hormones fixed and checked and tested, which is why I'm looking into HRT for myself. I haven't started them yet. I've heard nothing but good things. I'm ready. As long as it's not synthetic. No. The,

biodendical is what I'm looking at, but I am so ready to just feel like myself again. It's been about a year of experiencing this. And it all goes up and down. So it's like I'll have great weeks, great months, and then it'll be like this crash and burn. And lately it's been at a crash and burn for quite some time. Oh gosh. Well, you can't tell. You can't, like from an outsider, you look insane always. You always look gorgeous and I don't see any differences. Thank you. Let's do some rapid fire skincare trends. Do you just tell me yes or no, ice rollers? Only for inflammation, you don't really need these every day. Red light therapy. Love. Face taping.

1,000 out of, I mean, the best ever. So do frownies actually work or face taping actually works to kind of train your face muscles? I've never used frownies, but it's the same kind of idea behind it. And for those who are diehard frownie fans, and, you know, I met the founder and owner of frownies where I think she's doing incredible things and I think it's an incredible option and product. I to like face taping and it does wonders for me. I wish that I'd started facetaping in my 20s instead of ever doing Botox. I swear if I had just done that, I would have never found the need for Botox. How many days a week? I do it five days a week. Really? Five nights a week. Beef tallow. No. You know how I feel about that. I know how you feel about that. But I love the intention

behind the products. Like that just clean and better for you, but it's just not what I prefer. Slugging. No. Is this even a thing anywhere? This was like so five years ago. I don't know. I've seen it on TikTok. Are they still doing it?

No. Okay. College and supplements? Yes. Silk pillowcases. Yes. LED masks. LED and red light.

I prefer red light panels. The LEDs are not doing much. And then now finish the sentence. Most overrated skincare product. Tritone. Most underrated. Castor oil. Love.

Yes. Super big believer in castor oil. Biggest skincare scam. It's threat to no one again. Okay. What about cool sculpting? I mean, that's med spa scam. Well, it's not like a skincare treatment though.

Yeah. But it's body treatment. It works. It's just not great. You know what I mean? It does work, but I'd rather go spend it on life. Right. Yeah, I agree. Biggest skincare green flag.

Consistency. One thing every woman should eat this week. Steak. One beauty purchase under $50 dollars everyone should own. The Dormroller. I thought you'd say that. One luxury beauty. purchased really worth it. Red light. Beauty Hill that you'll die on. Face tape. Fill in the blank.

Beautiful skin starts with... In. What do you mean? Oh, within. That's good. Okay, okay. What is the name of your new book and what does it cover? It's called Skin Fluence. It covers the big beauty lies that we've all been sold and told. But if, you know, you do want to work with me, that is the way you can work with me is through the book. I mean, I give all of my advice. I even have my case studies that were with all of my different clients that I've worked with from acne to aging to, you know, how to switch out products. I give a ton of different tips and all the, you know, the routines that I talk about from my personal daily routine to things that you can start implementing. So it's really, it's a manuscript that also goes into my personal life and personal

story, but it goes over so much of what we have been sold and lied to when it comes to the big beauty industry. Okay. And remind everybody what it's called. Skin Fluenced. And when is it release? It is available for pre-order and it will come out in September, late September. What's your Instagram? At Jamie Ann Aesthetics or at jamie Ann.com. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be?

Be a critical thinker. Don't just listen to what everybody else says. Use logic. Love, obsessed. She's beautiful in and out, everybody. Go listen to the first episode we did if you want more Jamie. Thank you for coming back on Culture Apothecary. Thank you for having me.

Whether you're a Botox loyalist, a skincare maximalist, or somebody who's been wondering why you're spending hundreds of dollars and still not getting the results that you want, I hope this conversation gave you a lot to think about. If it did, send this episode to the friend who is always influencing your Sephora cart. New episodes come out every Monday and Thursday at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, wherever you listen to podcast. Please leave us a five-star review on Apple or Spotify to support the show. This content is for informational purposes only and is not intended to be taken as medical advice. Always consult with a qualified healthcare professional regarding any questions or decisions related to your health or medical care. Continue this conversation in the Keith Servative's Facebook group. I'm Alex Clark, and this is Culture Apothecary.