Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - 'It's All A Lie:’ Buried Science On Vaccines & An Agenda Keeping Parents In The Dark | Del Bigtree

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

The man behind one of the most controversial documentaries of our time is here. 👀💉Del Bigtree went from producing The Doctors to becoming a leading voice in the anti-vax movement. We talk about the corrupt science on vaccines and his role in Bobby Kennedy’s campaign. I asked the hard questions—nothing was off limits.⚠️ This episode is too hot for YouTube. Watch it only on Spotify (Culture Apothecary) or listen on Apple Podcasts. Don't forget to leave a 5-star review ⭐️Thank you to our sponsors!ZEBRA – Use code ALEX for 10% off any orderA'DEL NATURAL COSMETICS – Use code ALEX for 25% off first-time ordersUTZY – Use code ALEX for 20% offPRIMALLY PURE – Use code ALEXCLARK for 15% offACTIVE SKIN REPAIR – Use code ALEX for 20% off your orderPALEOVALLEY – Use code ALEX for 15% off your first orderOur Guest:Del BigtreeDel's Links: Del Bigtree’s InstagramThe HighWire ShowMAHA Action IGMAHA Alliance IG🌿 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Culture Apothecary WEBSITE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👗 Get Alex’s freshest fashion picks and exclusive guest recommendations—delivered straight to your inbox!Sign up for the newsletter HERE:  WEEKLY NEWSLETTER SIGNUPFOLLOW ALEX:Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Cuteservatives Facebook group to connect with likeminded friends who love America and all things health and wellness!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the CUTEservative Facebook Group!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.

He's been censored so quickly. Probably Spotify video only, honestly. President Roosevelt, famous for having polio in the wheelchair. He had transverse myelitis. No way. Didn't have polio. You say all of this glowing stuff about Bobby, but aren't you suing him? Not suing him yet.

I do believe when people see the truth on this, it will reveal everything that's corrupt about the world that you live in. He's known as the godfather of the anti-vax movement. Del Bigtree went from being a big shot Hollywood producer working on the doctors TV show to uncovering vaccine-related information so earth-shattering. He felt compelled to quit the doctors and follow the invisible thread to see where it led. That journey culminated in the creation of the controversial documentary vaxed from cover-up to catastrophe, the launch of the high wire, a webcast focused on vaccines and health freedom, and his founding of ICANN, the informed

consent action network, an organization that promotes vaccine choice and questions vaccine safety. He also served as communications director for Bobby Kennedy's 20, 2024 presidential campaign. Today, I bring Dell my most challenging questions to the table. Nothing is off limits as we deep dive into the heart of the anti-vax movement. Due to the sensitive nature of this topic, this episode will not be available on YouTube. You can watch it exclusively on Spotify by subscribing to culture apothecary or listen on Apple Podcasts. I'll also put it on X at Yo Alex Raps with a Z. This conversation takes courage.

So please support our work by leaving a five-star review before we begin. Now, please welcome. Dell Bigtree to culture apothecary. I'll name a vaccine. You say yes or no if you would give it to your child. Okay. This will be easy. Hep B.

No. MMR. No. D-Tap. No. Flu. No. Polio.

No. COVID. No. H-P. No. No vaccines at all. Absolutely not. I have two kids.

They have received zero vaccines. What is the single fact about the childhood vaccine schedule that if parents knew it, you believe would shatter their trust in the system instantly? The fact that not a single one of these vaccines ever went through a safety trial. Full stop. The only way you determine safety in a pharmaceutical product is a double-blind placebo-based study where one group gets the product, the other group gets in this case a salient injection that has no effect on the human body.

And you track their health outcomes for, you know, at least in most drug cases, two years, six years. They never, ever did that on a single childhood vaccine. So there's no way to say that the product is safe. And then there's never been a study comparing the 72. And now, you know, when you start adding COVID and the new vaccine is coming, it could be as high as 90 vaccines by the time you're 18. There has never been one single study ever done comparing kids who get 72 vaccines to those that get none.

And so if you have no concept if they're safe and you've never proven that kids that get vaccinations are healthier than those that don't, then I just have a standard. principle where I don't inject myself or my kids with products that have never been through a safety study. And I want evidence that these things actually make us healthier. Do you believe that the CDC knows that they're harming children with the current vaccine schedule and yet continues to anyway? No, I believe that for the most, and CDC is a broad term, right? I mean, I think there are a very small group of individuals that actually understand the carnage that is taking place from the vaccine program. But for the most part, I think that

science is based. It's compartmentalized. People are siloed into different parts of the, you know, the science or the investigation. They mean very well, but they have no idea what they're a part of. For instance, they don't know that no vaccine's ever been through a safety study. They don't know that we've never tested the entire vaccine schedule. How do the people suggesting what the childhood schedule should be not know that? It's incredible, isn't it? I mean, this story is the most amazing story anyone could ever investigate, which is why, as a journalist, that's why I left the doctor's television show on CBS, where I won an Emmy Award, I got into an investigation that ended up being, I think, the most important and fascinating investigation in our lifetime.

This pharmacy, especially this vaccine story, encompasses everything there is to do with corruption, the corruption of your government, the corruption of your media, the, you know, corporate capture of America and really the world. This isn't just the U.S.'s problem. The entire COVID pandemic was voiced upon us by the pharmaceutical industry. It also controls WHO, World Economic Forum. This thing is as big and as ugly and as dark as it gets, and I believe it's all around the greatest lie ever told, which is that vaccines are safe and vaccines are effective.

People have finally just started waking up their eyes because they saw the COVID vaccine. They recognize we were lied to. They know now that the government got up and said, this is 95% effective. If you take this, it'll stop it, stops with you, virus stops with you. You'll never transmit it to anyone else. Everyone knows that was a lie. And there's a lie because I reported one day before anyone received that vaccine outside the trial saying, this is a lie.

It's not 95% effective. I pointed out the emergency use authorization by the FDA, where they stated, we have known idea if this thing stops transmission. So I proved on day one, they're already lying to you. Now we see turbo cancers. Now we know for a fact that the heart swells in our children, periocarditis, myocarditis. This is a known fact. So now we know for the first time that this vaccine is more dangerous than the virus was itself. It is going to cause more death than children.

So that was an eye-opening moment for the world. It wasn't for me because I know every other vaccine prior to that was rushed under the market the exact same way and as many of the same side effects. and also rarely stops transmission. So people are waking up to something that I've been on investigation for nearly 10 years on. How do you know which science to reject and which science to trust? You have to know what science is, okay? Science has to be reproducible. You have to be able to produce, you know, your, if the drug works,

then anybody should be able to run the same study, get the same result. Also, science should invite the challenge. The scientific method requires that. that we, you know, hit a hypothesis, if you will, with every problem we have with. We try to tear it down. Every scientist should come from around the world and tear down someone's hypothesis of what they think is happening. If you can't, then it moves into being an official theory.

And then years later, someone may come up with an argument you've never seen before and they end up that theory changes. That's how science works. Same thing with, you know, scientific products. If someone believes that a vaccine is dangerous, they should be invited onto a podium in front of the world to say, lay it on us. How do you think this vaccine is dangerous? How do you think it causes harm? And then they should bring all of that science and challenge the product and say, just like a crash test. It's why we run, you know, trucks into walls and things to make sure that

it's as safe as the manufacturer says. You don't, you don't want the manufacturer doing their own safety tests, but that's what they do in the pharmaceutical industry. And you don't want all people from the pharmaceutical industry, the ones that are on your like regulatory boards, making sure that the tests are being done right. And when you see people that are questioning the safety of a vaccine, lose their license, get ridiculed like Robert Kennedy Jr. has for 20 years. When they get attacked for asking really basic questions like, why have you never done a double-blind placebo trial? Why is no comparative study between the vaccine and the unvaccinated, proving that our children are safer when they're vaccinated? You're a heretic. He's a liar. He should

never, he should never be allowed to speak. That means you are no longer involved in science. That is a religion. Religions are based on faith. Religions are based on attacks. Religions are based on war. They're not based on the scientific method, which is bring us your best argument and we will refute it. And up until this moment, no doctor or scientist will ever step on a stage with me. We'll never step on a stage with Robert Kennedy Jr. Even Joe Rogan challenged Peter Hotez one time just a couple of years ago saying, hey, Robert Kennedy Jr. is willing to sit on a stage with you and have a debate about the safety of vaccines and HOTES refused. And I think there was even, they like offered money. It's like,

people started saying, I'll offer money for him to do it. And I believe it was like a million dollars to any charity of your choice ended up being offered by, you know, people from around the country. And he's still refused. That is not science. So how do you go from being one of the most sought after executive producers in television to becoming the leading anti-vax activist in America? I'm amazed more people haven't done it. But I consider myself a journalist because I'm fascinated by people. I am fascinated by a good story and a good investigation. We're really just detectives, if you will.

And this was a story that once I saw it, when I mean, really it started with the documentary Vax that I made about a whistleblower inside the CDC, Dr. William Thompson, that came forward in 2015 and said, we're committing scientific fraud on the vaccine safety study. in here. That's as big a statement as I'd ever heard in my life. And then when he provided 10,000 documents showing how they committed fraud, especially on the MMR Autism Study. So this was the measles, Moms, Rebellis study that was done in 2000, between 2000, 2004. You know, is the MMR vaccine related to autism? And when you look and vaxed covers it, my film covered that, I left CBS to make this documentary, it was clear to me, as clear as day, that our CDC committed scientific fraud over the most

controversial conversation there is around vaccines. Does it cause autism? And so when I saw that, you know, like all of us, we've heard this has been studied extensively. There's mountains of evidence showing that vaccine is just the one thing we know doesn't cause autism. When I looked at this study and saw the fraud around it, I thought, oh my gosh. God. What fraud did you see? Well, the fact that they kicked half the kids off the study in the middle of the trial of the study. I mean, that's scientific fraud. You have a protocol. The way science works is, in this case, five scientists sit together. They say, we're going to study this group of children from the Atlanta school district. Here's we're going to look at their health

records. We're going to look at their school records. We're going to look at their vaccine records. And the study was really simple. They thought, well, if vaccines, or if the MMR does contribute to autism, would it make a difference if you got it younger in life or older in life? And that's all the study was. It was a timing study. Again, no one unvaccinated in this study. It simply compared children that got the vaccine at 12 months old to those that got it after three years old. That was it. Two different groups. Those got it older, those that got it younger. The ones that got it younger were four times more likely to have autism. Wow. Huge. Huge. Huge. And again, we have no idea.

how many much more times they would have autism if they were compared against kids that never got this vaccine, only the ones that they waited until after they're three years old. And as soon as they saw that, that those reactions and those numbers exist because Dr. William Thompson provided us with here were the original numbers. He was the epidemiologist. Here's how it laid out. Here's what we saw. I can show it. Here's the numbers. They prove it. And then they went and said, well, we have a problem. Houston, we have a problem. And then they kicked half the kids off the study to dilute that number. It still, by the way, showed that there was a slight increase in autism, but there weren't enough children in the study any longer to call it statistically significant. And so they said there's nothing to see

here. And they use that. And by the way, that was the last study ever done in the United States of America looking at vaccines and autism. And that was a study from 2000. So for 25 years, Our government keeps telling us we've extensively looked at this and they're using a fraudulent study where you change, when you change your study protocol, when you say we're going to look at this and we're going to report everything we find and in the middle of finding things, you change the kids that are in the study. That's fraud. Hands down, no other way to describe it. And so what I'll say to people is Vax doesn't prove that the MMR causes autism. Vax, my film, proves that five scientists were so horrified. by the results they were getting in a study that they committed scientific fraud to hide it. Okay, so how did you even come across this Dr. William guy? I mean, were you executive producing and he was trying to be a guest on the doctors? And so you were introduced to him or what?

So I'm not an executive producer. I'm just a producer. So I'm one of seven producers on the doctor's television show at the time that this all happened. I produce one episode every week and my, you know, colleagues are producing the other six. And then you make a whole season, right? It's a pre-tape show, so you make a season for the doctors. So I would end up making, I don't know, would it be something like 20 episodes a year. And I was considered to be one of the more, I think, the most controversial producer on the show.

Mostly because I think I was a little bit older than most of the producers when I got onto this show. And so I always did shows that just I was curious about. And I also was always challenging the medical establishment, you know. And so I did things with the doctors that I don't think it was designed to do. When Monsanto, when the World Health Organization said that Monsanto's product glyphosate, which is Roundup, which is sprayed on 80% of our crops, this is back in 2015, I think mid-2015. The WHO said glyphosate is probably carcinogenic to human beings. after a two week long symposium where scientists and Monsanto all came together to study this one chemical.

I called the Monsanto and said, hey, you want to come and defend the product? By the way, probably carcinogenic to human beings is the second highest cancer rating they have. Second only to does cause cancer. Cigarettes does cause cancer. Glyphosate probably causes cancer to human beings. And so I said, would you like to send someone to the show? and they're like, yeah, we'll send our head of toxicology, Donna Farmer. I had never seen Monsanto on a television show, but because the doctor's television show was

sponsored by pharma, sponsored by Monson, so sponsored, they thought it was a safe place to be. This is where I was kind of a wolf and sheep's clothing. I was like, you know, come on in. We'd love to hear about, you know, glyposate. And then I brought in Jeffrey Smith, a GMO activist that had written several books against Monsanto and glypacet and GMO. crops and all those things. And I had a debate on the show. And the whole time executive producers were like, I don't even know what, what is this story about, Dallas? I go, trust me, it's big. This is a really big deal.

They're like, okay, whatever. And it ended up being like a Jerry Springer show. Like, people are screaming and hooting and owing and eyeing, angry with Monsanto, you know, yelling at Donna Farmer and Jeffrey Smith's making all these great points. I say that to say that, you know, the lawyer for the doctors would come up to me and say, you know, you cost us more money than every other producer because your shows are always being challenged. by your guests or the companies you're going after, I tend to believe that wherever someone's making billions of dollars and telling us that they have the public's best interest in mind, I'm skeptical.

And so I like to investigate into those spaces. And so I got a call one day from someone I'd done another very controversial story with a doctor. About a year earlier, we were working on a super interesting story. It's way too complex to explain here. But in the middle of it, in setting up for it, he said to me,

I shouldn't probably be on your show. And I was like, well, why? I love this story. It's really important. Kids are being taken away from their parents for no reason. He's like, yeah, but, you know, if you look online, I'm considered a quack. And I said, what do you mean? A quack?

And he said, well, I'm one of these doctors that believes that vaccines cause autism. And because of the work that I've done there, it kind of undermines the rest of my credibility on other things. And I don't want it to hurt this story, what you're doing. And I said, oh, don't worry about that. That's my problem. I want you to be my lead doctor on this story. And then he said, would you ever cover that?

Would you ever cover vaccines in autism? And I said, well, you know, on the doctors, we're pretty set on the fact that vaccines don't cause autism. In fact, we had a really controversial show with Jenny McCarthy and locked up with Dr. Travis Stork, our lead doctor. And it was kind of ugly. And so we don't really want to go near it. I said, but, you know, between you and I, I'm into controversial stories.

but something big would have to happen. If some big thing happens around this vaccine autism conversation, call me and let me know and I'll see what I can do. And so it was a year later, he called me and said, you know, remember when you said you want to know if something big was happening with vaccines and autism? I said, yeah. He said, well, there's a whistleblower inside the CDC that's going to be coming forward in about two weeks.

And he's saying they committed scientific fraud on the MMR autism study. And so I was like, well, that's huge. If that's true, that would be maybe the biggest medical story in my lifetime. And so I went to my executive producers and I said, hey, I might have a jump on what I think would probably be the biggest medical story of our lifetime if it's true, which is it appears as to cover up the CDC that they know that the MMR vaccine causes autism and that they've committed fraud. And my executive producers burst out laughing, actually. They said, are you crazy? Yeah, we can't touch that. Are you crazy?

We're not going to say the CDC's committing fraud. That's the golden cast. Right? We're not going to piss off our pharmaceutical sponsors. And so that began the beginning of my journey into a different life because I couldn't let this story go. And sure enough, two weeks later, these recorded interviews with this whistleblower started coming out online.

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Well, definitely buried the story. In fact, that's what grabbed my attention. I said to my PA on the doctors, keep an eye on this story. guy's name is Dr. William Thompson and see anything that comes up. And sure enough, two weeks later, those statements popped up. And no one in news covered it. Like no one anywhere. I knew why we weren't covering it. We're a medical talk show. We're funded by pharma. But certainly this is going to sell headlines for New York Times. I mean, this is a huge story, but no one's touching it. And then I saw someone put it up on I report, something CNN used to have, where it's like, you can tell a story to just have a little news story. It's just people telling their own news stories. Someone put up the William Thompson recordings. And it's, took it down within like 10 minutes. Oh my gosh. And that's when I thought, oh, there's something really big here. This is really big. This isn't just my show not wanting to do it. All of television's avoiding it. All of news is avoiding this story. And that's when I, that was just the very tip of the iceberg of recognizing how big and powerful the pharmaceutical industry is. And just to

give people a sense of what I mean by that. Pharmaceutical lobby is the most powerful lobby in Washington, D.C. It outspends oil and gas two to one. Two times the amount of money spent on oil and gas lobbying. Remember, we may be fighting this war in Israel over, you know, oil and gas right now. It's always a part of everything we do in the Middle East are wars to fight for this lobby, oil and gas. What is it pharma is buying when they're spending twice that amount of money on government officials, on regulatory agencies. That's number one. Number two, between 50 and 70% of all advertising.

Well, let's make this clear. The number one lobby controlling Washington, pharma. The number one advertiser and television, pharma. And so people go, oh, well, it's just a commercial. It's not just a commercial. That is literally the boss of your news anchor. That is who owns the sitcom you're watching or the drama that you're watching. If it's being paid by pharma and you say,

something even in your sitcom, that it may be like a joke about how vaccines might be dangerous, you will get a call. And you will find out that whoever is responsible for that, if they ever do that again, they're never going to work on this network again because we own your network. And they say, because we will pull out, we will pull our pharma advertising, and then you will be screwed. So that power over all news. So people say, if vaccines were so bad, certainly had heard about it on my news channel. No, you won't. because your news channel is owned by the pharmaceutical industry. And people that don't understand television just very quickly when you would have the Nielsen ratings and things like that, I think it's important.

When you are working in television, no matter what show, whether you're doing a doctor's television show or a sitcom, you know for a fact that all you really are is a billboard. The television is thought of it as a billboard. And your entertainment is just to keep eyes on that billboard long enough so that those products between your entertainment moments get sold. get eyeballs on them, which is why your ratings show how long you're still holding eyeballs throughout the show. That's the value of what you can sell your commercials for. That's how much money you get. And that's how much money you can spend on your show.

So the entire thing, people think this TV is designed to entertain me. No, this TV is designed to advertise to you. And everything else in between is just there to hold your attention. So you buy things. And so when you make, you know, 70% of that is the pharmacy. They own that box on your wall. That box on your wall is a propaganda tool for pharma and advertising billboard you walk by sit in front of for hours every day and pharma is trying to tell you you cannot live without us. So here's a question because you brought up Jenny McCarthy.

Yeah. When Jenny McCarthy back in the day and Jim Carrey were going on this press tour, sounding the alarms on vaccines, when Maha happened, it's interesting to me because Jim Carrey hates Trump, but then Maha happens. I mean, did you ever hear anything about this? Like, do you think secretly he held his nose and voted for Trump because of Maha? I'm dying to know. I really don't know. Jimmy Carey, I think, would be probably one of the hardest people to read on the earth right now. I am good friends with Jenny McCarthy, though. Okay. And I didn't, you know, she wouldn't let me know. She keeps whatever the relationship she still has with Jim private. But I will say, I just want to say about her that she's one of the biggest, you know, superheroes I've ever met. She literally put her entire career on the line and had it destroyed, trying to warn other parents of what she had just experienced, what she saw with her own eyes. And, you know, still when the topic comes up, the life. Playboy centerfold, Janie McCarthy, forget about all the other things she's. she's done. It's always tried to demean her and then say she has an issue with vaccines.

It's been amazing to watch her recover her career the way she has after having it been devastated. But she didn't have the advantage of a COVID. She didn't have the advantage of an event that we all experienced that brought in 2050, well, really one third of all doctors that didn't take the vaccine. So suddenly Peter McCullough and Dr. Robert Malone and Pierre Corey and all these guys, they came together safety and numbers. Jenny McCarthy tried to do this all by yourself. And frankly, I think changed a lot of people's lives. I'm sure she saved millions of children from vaccine injury,

but had her career destroyed because of it, because she works in television and she works for pharma. I wonder if she'd come on my show. I should try to get Jenny. I think she definitely would. I would love to talk to her. I'll help connect that. Okay.

We'll make that happen. She's amazing. If vaccines truly buy. bypass the gold standard testing required of other drugs. How do you explain how regulators then legally approve them? I can't really, right? I mean, it's one of the things that's so shocking. All the way through this process, people will say to me, you know, are you telling me you know more about vaccines than my doctor? You know, that my doctor's trying to hurt my children. I said, no, your doctor's not trying to hurt your children. Your doctor, though, doesn't know anything about vaccines. And yes, I'm telling you

because I've done a 10-year investigation into vaccines only. How can you sit here and say doctors don't know anything about vaccines? I could play you a video from the WHO meeting in 2019 that brought in all the specialists and scientists from around the world. And the entire meeting was to do one thing, to stop vaccine hesitancy. At that point, they were saying anti-vaxious. It's 2019.

So I'd been at it since 2016 with Vax. we were really starting to affect the thought system around vaccines. And they said anti-vaxers are a top 10 global health threat. They had an entire meeting about it. And I'll play you the video sometime where Heidi Larson, the head psychologist for the WHO, says in front of this giant panel, one of our biggest problems with vaccine hesitancy is that we have a wobbly front line. Our own doctors are now starting to question vaccines.

And they are not equipped to handle the question. that parents are now asking when they come through the door. And she ends this statement by saying, because as we all know, a doctor is lucky if they have a half a day education on vaccines. You bring in this episode interesting because I just interviewed somebody the other day. In the middle of interviewing her, she gets a text, a call, notifying her that her children have now been kicked out officially of her pediatrician's office because she didn't want to vaccinate. Why are pediatricians across America kicking out patients who are not vaccinating? Same way a bully punches a kid that asked them a hard question.

But what are they gaining from you not being a patient? Well, because there's several things. Number one, they gain, you know, feeling like they don't have to be challenged. They don't like being challenged. But the biggest part of it is they're being incentivized to give vaccines. They have to keep the population inside of their pediatrics. A lot of times it's an insurance incentive, but they get an incentive to stay above 90, 95 percent fully vaccinated. if they fall below that they lose this giant bonus that they get at the end of every year.

And so if you are not vaccinating, you are cutting into that population percentage that they have to hold on to. So they're being manipulated to force you into vaccination. And they're being told, and by the way, if they're kicking you out of the practice, it means they've given up that they have no, they don't seem to be able to have any information that can convince you. The marketing is falling apart on this product. And so more and more people are getting kicked out. of their practice. And I think it's amazing that that's what's being recommended to them. If someone challenges you, you know, you can make a, try this sentence, try this line, see if you can get them. If not, kick them out of your practice. It's really bullying.

Do they get the check or their office to spend on office stuff? Well, I mean, look, I probably the office, I would guess. I don't, and I think it's different state to state. A guy, Dr. Zajack up in Wisconsin talks about it. immense numbers that he makes off of these incentives. I think if you own your own practice, that's huge. If it's a clinic, I'm sure the clinic pays down to you. And I'm sure, by the way, if you aren't the one receiving the check, whoever is is telling you, you better get your numbers up or you're out of here. Which vaccine on the schedule is actually the most thoroughly tested? The COVID vaccine. How in the world is that possible? I'm telling you, that is the best

tested vaccine that we've ever seen. Okay, but this is the vaccine that all of America collectively went, whoa, this doesn't seem right. And you're telling me, that is the most thoroughly tested? That is the longest test we've ever seen. It's the first time that we've ever seen a saline placebo being used. And by the way, it was my nonprofit that was threatened to sue the FDA. We said it looks like you're going to use a meningococcal vaccine as the placebo. And we will not accept that as a placebo.

That's not a placebo. A true safety test has to have a product that has no effect on the human body. And if you decide to run the Pfizer and Moderna trials using a meningococcal vaccine, then we will sue and we will make this the biggest scene. And by that point, I have the biggest lawyer in the space in Aaron Siri. We had already won millions of dollars of lawsuits against NIH, CDC, FDA, HHS. They were starting to take us very seriously. And they knew that everyone was watching us. And so literally we sent a petition to the FDA, said, you better turn that into a saline placebo.

they stopped the phase three trials immediately in their tracks. They were just starting. And then six days later, they started them back up. And they said, we've traded, we're going to use a saline placebo. So that was one of the things we had never seen it in any of the childhood schedule. Like I said, we've never seen a vaccine test against a placebo. So in this case, they did it. The problem was, as we all witnessed, they went through phase one with the placebo.

And then they get in, I mean, the phase, actually the phase three trials is the ones we cared about. They have phase three. They give the placebo. But after the second vaccination, it was almost like within two to three weeks, they had 180 people out of like 45,000 that were either testing positive or not. And they used those 180 people to determine that, hey, eureka, the vaccine works. 180. We were all told us as a 45,000 person study. They just looked at the first 180 and said, look, you know, 90% of the vaccinated did.

didn't get infected in this little group and, you know, then the other ones did, the unvaccinated are getting infected. And so it was all manufactured around a tiny group of people. But what they did was they got the emergency use authorization off for that. Instead of waiting to see what happened with the 45,000, instead of doing a long term, that study would really should have been two years long. but the emergency use authorization allowed them to sort of step out of the safety trial early. And this was all we saw it coming. We knew this was what they would probably do. And sure enough, as soon as it got emergency use authorization, just weeks after that second vaccination, you know, at most, at most that trial for some people might last in about six months.

They ended up saying that, well, now that the vaccine's available for emergency use, it's unethical. to keep this placebo group. Because if everyone else in the country can get this great product, why should they be denied just because they were lending their services to the trial and they went and vaccinated the entire placebo group, erasing any ability for us to know the long-term safety consequences of this product? What happens to you after a year? What happens to you after two years? And now we're seeing in the Yale study that people, some people are still producing spike

protein in their body 700 days. Two years after receiving that first vaccination, when the spike protein should have been gone, they said within days, definitely less than a week. Something is really wrong with this vaccine. We are seeing, we still see this incredible rise in cancers, headlines across the country, more children getting cancer than ever. We're seeing children collapsing on football fields and soccer fields with heart attacks. All of those things were things that we should have known exact numbers.

We should have been able to watch those people for two years, three years, against what are the ones that just got the placebo? Is it happening more in the placebo group? We would have real hardcore answers, had a real long-term study been done. But because they erased it, they'll say, well, it's anecdotal to say that the vaccine is causing that. And that's how this game is played.

Okay, but I thought that they had tested the Hep B vaccine on thousands of people before administering it to newborns. Oh, no, I could have you pull it up right now. You can look it up online. It's really easy. All you do is just write, just type into Google, FDA approved vaccines. And then it brings the whole list of every vaccine they want to give your kids.

And Hep B is recombivax for EnderXB. Those are the two products by two. I think it's Glasgow Smith-Kline and Merck. You can look them up. And I want everyone to do this. I hope they'll do it. You go look them up and then click on either EnderXB or Recomba Vax, HB, and click on it. And then go to 6.1.

And this is the insert. Like, by the way, put in, you click on package insert. It's the insert, it's basically the warning label that was wrapped around the vaccine that you never saw. Like every drug has some warning on it or whatever, this is the vaccine version. So you can look it up in line. And if you go to 6.1, there's all the different sections, 1, 2, 3, 4. At 6.1, it describes how they determine the product was safe. And you will see in case of recombavax, HB, it's not thousands of children.

147 kids were given doses of recombavax, HP vaccine. they were between the ages of infant and 10 years old, and they were monitored for five days after each dose. Five days. Days. Not like, look, you know, you look at Grandpa's Viagra had somewhere between a five and ten year safety trial. Okay, this is, Del. This is groundbreaking information because, I mean, for my audience anyway, is that we just assume a vaccine, well, that's, you know, five, 10, 20 longer years studying. They're extensive, of course. Yes, extensively safe and effective.

And so for you to say that some of these vaccines on the schedule have been looked at for five days? Five days. And by the way, I didn't just say it. I'm telling you I can prove it if you'll look it up online. FDA licensed vaccines, do it. Click on recombavax, HB, go to the insert. You can look at every vaccine your kids have been given. And this is what we've done.

Not one study lasts longer than six months of any of the vaccines. Of any, wait a minute, wait a minute. Never, ever gone longer than six months, ever. None of them have a placebo to compare the vaccine too. So no matter what happens, they say, well, it was just an anomaly that the child died in this trial. They're probably going to die anyway. Well, that's why you have a placebo.

You say, no, no, five died here and zero here. Therefore, we know for a fact, the comparator didn't have the same reaction. But by not having a placebo, anything that does go wrong, they say, well, that's just a coincidence. So that's why it's not a safety trial. They're not comparing it to something that's safe. They're just assuming it's safe and putting it on the mark. But many, polio, 48-hour safety review trial, 48 hours, two days. And people, and I'll say this to some people. I was actually on a panel the other night, said to a nurse, is five days long enough? She said, well, I'm not a scientist. I mean, I can't, I can't weigh in on whether five days is long enough. And I said, okay,

well, then why don't we do this? And by the way, Chelsea Clinton put out a pose. when it came when Robert Kennedy Jr. recently said, or I think it was actually, he was supporting Dr. Macquarie who said, you know, we're going to start doing placebo trials of every new vaccine. And Chelsea Clinton said, this is going to hold back science. It's going to hold back the process of vaccination. I said, well, number one, you're admitting that we've never done a placebo trial, which is great because that's been called misinformation as long as I've said it for the last 10 years. I'm glad we're all on the same page. But, you know, and now I put out the hepatitis B, I put the link and said, is a five-day safety trial long enough for a child's

vaccine? In fact, if five days is long enough, then why don't we just do that for all products? How about let's just, why don't we just, you know, go ahead and homogenize the entire pharmaceutical industry? Yeah. Why should kids be given a product that's only getting a five-day safety trial? But grandpa, with stage four cancer, can't try a trial drug for two years because he's waiting for the safety trial to be done. Let's just say all drugs, five, days, that's it. No placebo group cancer. It cures cancer. We were assuming it does. We didn't test a five-day safety trial and anyone in the country can get. In fact, everybody should get. No, even better, let's mandate everybody has to take it. That's how crazy this is. They're not testing these

products and then forcing, not some children, every child to get into school is having to take a product that went through a five-day safety trial. And even worse with hepatitis B, it's a day one old baby. They're gasping for their first breath, this magical life-giving moment. That baby is injected with a vaccine that had a five-day safety trial. It's a sexually transmitted disease. Hepatitis B, right? That you only catch sharing heroin needles or sleeping with prostitutes. So why is this day one old baby being like, hello, welcome to the world, you know, take your first breath. And as soon as you're done with that, here comes your first sexually transmitted disease. Now, there's a lot of controversy.

I'm like what we can start editing off, you know, the childhood vaccine schedule and all of this. That one is easy. That's what I was going to say. So like there's a political component to this of like what is politically expedient? What can we, what conversations is America ready for? And so you would agree that Hepby, this is a vaccine tomorrow. If RFK made an announcement and said, we're taking this off the childhood vaccine schedule, most of America would be like, okay, fine.

I don't know if they would. I think they would need some education. I think doctors will scream, your mother, the mother could have hepatitis B. This is the only argument they have, by the way. If the mother's hepatitis B positive, then that baby's at risk and we're protecting that baby. Why can't they just test the mom? They already did. Well, then what is the point? Every mother in America is tested. They get a blood test for exactly this. We know whether you're a hepatitis be positive or not before you give birth to that baby. And guess what? I just looked at it just recently. The studies, the numbers show that 0.5% of mothers are heavy. that are giving birth this year will be hepatitis B positive, meaning 99.5% of our children are getting a product that was tested for five days for a disease they will not come in contact with until they're an adult and hopefully never, if they were raised correctly, will find themselves sharing heroin needles or sleeping with prostitutes. So why are we doing this? And I could go on and on about the levels of aluminum in that vaccine that are so off the Richter scale. Let's talk about aluminum. Okay, let's do. Because what we're told is that the amount of aluminum in vaccines is completely safe. It's so minuscule. It would have no adverse effect on the human body. Okay. So let's take hepatitis B. I love this vaccine, by the way. And ever since I got in this conversation, it's what I walk into every senators and, you know, congressman's office to discuss. Let's just talk about hepatitis B. Because if you can understand this insanity, it'll make you start to think, my God, how far off course did we get? All right. So there has never, To begin with, just like the vaccine has never been tested for safety, aluminum injections have

never been tested ever in a human being. Why? Because it's unethical. It is illegal to do a study where you take a toxic element. This is like a heavy metal. Like you can't just take mercury and say, how much can I inject into a person? What person would be allowed to be in that study? They can't do it.

They know aluminum's toxic. So there's no human study ever anywhere. They have a rat study that they fed aluminum to. Now, they fed aluminum to all these rats. And what they determined is based on so the weight of the rat that your average baby should not consume, not eat more than 25 micrograms of aluminum in one day. This is sort of the official reading from a rat study. And so I would say this. And this is the type of thing.

I'm not people say, well, Del's not a doctor. I'm definitely not. I'm just a journalist. I look at things from a common sense position. So let's have some common sense together. Can we assume that eating aluminum? I'm not expecting you to be a scientist, but Alex, eating aluminum in an open system where it goes through, comes out, go to the bathroom, day or two later, it goes through that you are not getting all of the 25 micrograms into your system. A lot of us is going to pass through.

But injecting, you know, injecting 25 micrograms would definitely be more toxic. Wouldn't you assume into a closed system, into the bloodstream, can't leave, can get to your brain, all of those things. So that's 25 micrograms. So when they say, well, we've studied it, you studied an oral dose. You didn't study an injected dose. Wow, yeah. And so if you found out that 25 micrograms, which is the limit of an oral dose, is actually what they're injecting straight into the bloodstream of a day one old baby, would that freak you out? Yeah.

It would freak me out. But don't worry. It's not 25 micrograms. It's not 50 micrograms. It's not 100 micrograms. It's not 200 micrograms. 250 micrograms of aluminum are being injected into your day one old baby and that hepatitis B vaccine, 10 times the oral lethal dose in a rat study.

And no one has ever checked it. And guess what? I have this slide in every speech I do. CBS reports the United States of America has the highest day one old birth death rate in the world. In fact, we have more babies die in the first day of life than every other industrialized nation combined. How do you defend the belief that natural immunity is superior to vaccine-induced immunity? Like what we always hear is that vaccines have been proven to prevent diseases more effectively than natural infections. You will not find a single scientist or doctor in the entire world that can show you one study that shows that a vaccine for a disease,

created better immunity than having that disease itself. That does not exist. Nowhere, no how. The first vaccine I ever heard them attempt to make that statement was COVID. No one's even attempted to say that before. Nobody with a brain can say that the measles vaccine creates a better immunity than having measles. Everyone knows for a fact that studies this or is a doctor or had any education that the only people on this planet that have lifelong immunity to measles did it. because it's mostly just our baby boomers because they had measles.

Can you explain like the fearmongering and the media going on about the measles right now? Yeah. I mean, you have, I think, I think there's two deaths that they're claiming happened right here in Texas from a measles outbreak in a Mennonite community. There's a lot of questions about those. One of the children was incredibly sick with a whole lot of other issues, had measles and didn't die of the measles. I think both kids, if I remember correctly, are died from. a pneumonia. So a bacterial infection that happened post measles. So technically didn't die of the measles, but I'm not going to, I don't want to like cherry-coated. And I don't want to be really

clear here, too. I don't vaccinate my kids. Does that mean that they could never die of an infectious disease? No. Do I think that that's 100% the safest way to live in the world? I don't think there's any 100% way to live perfectly safe in this world. I believe that everybody should be making their choices. They should be well educated on why they're making those choices. I've looked at the science and I've decided I'm much happier taking the risk with what were trivial childhood illnesses than with this incredible chronic disease epidemic. My personal hypothesis, and I'm not alone on this, is that with the vaccine program, we replaced trivial childhood illnesses that lasted somewhere between three days to at your most two weeks with permanent chronic illness. I believe that

these vaccines have shifted it away from being a temporary experience to permanent chronic illness. And just to be clear on that, in 1980s, we had 12.4% chronic illness in our children. That was when we were getting 10 vaccines. Now that we're giving 54 vaccines in 72 doses, because some of them have three, four different agents in them, that has gone from 12.4 to 50. percent of our children have a permanent chronic illness. That is the greatest decline in human health that's ever been recorded. And I do believe, as Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do the science, not just because I'm guessing, because a lot of the science has been done. It's just been buried, like you said, how do I not know about it? Well, in my investigations, because I've sued

the government. I've seen the studies that have been done. And I'm telling you vaccines are implicated in creating permanent chronic illness. So you have to ask yourself, would I rather my kid have some bumps, little red bumps all over their body for a week or two, or would I prefer they spend a lifetime with autism or even a lifetime with asthma or a lifetime with ADD, ADHD, or a lifetime with lupus or cancer, all of those things. I think that's the tradeoff that we're making. And last, on measles. Anyone can look up, just look up measles Brady Bunch. And you can see back in the 1960s how horrified and terrified they were of measles. It was a Brady Bunch episode, and they're giggling and laugh tracks to the week that the whole family, all the kids catch the measles.

Because it wasn't terrifying. We have changed the narrative around this. We've made it a deadly disease because it, because why? Because pharma owns the television. Farmer writes the commercials. Farmer controls the narrative of your sitcoms and everything else. And so if you believe it's deadly, you'll comply and get not one vaccine, because one doesn't give you lifelong immunity. Two vaccines. Now they're looking at a third one in college, and guess what, every adult outside of college is now CDC has on the schedule. You should be getting another MMR vaccine because they wear off. They don't last, you know. And then, you know, there's all sorts of other problems.

But the last point to make in 1961, which is one year before you get a measles vaccine. So there's no vaccinated. If you go to what was called the vital statistics that year, which is your CDC at the time, the death rate of measles is one. in 500,000 at a population level, meaning one in 500,000 Americans would die. And if you got, if you caught the illness, so like two different numbers, that's everybody. From those that caught it, it's believed to be at one in 10,000 was the death from measles. And it's assumed that those were usually the children that were poor at the time in 1960, malnourished, things like that, that they might have been more vulnerable. But one in 10,000, that's a zero. Right.

That's a zero percent chance of death. And you're being told, it's deadly. It's deadly. And I love it when reporters actually, they like to attack me on this. They're like, you are responsible for, like I've actually been, in fact, the conference I was just at, some guy got on a stage, on a different stage of me, and they said, Del, he put up your picture and said, this is the man is the cause of the measles epidemic in Texas. Oh my gosh. Which, you know, that thing can, they got to watch out. Like, those things can go to your head. Yeah, like delusions of grandeur that you can bring disease to entire states. But to that point, like, what, when you look at the entire thing in totality, this measles thing has been blown completely out of proportion. The vaccine is wearing off. It's a problem. And, you know, the cause is simply more and more people are

recognizing. I think I can handle that disease. Yeah. What different illnesses and ailments would you consider a vaccine injury? Again, I would say I'm, I can, here's what I can say that they believe. the industry believes are vaccine injuries because it's written on the warning label that you never see. Encephalitis swelling of the brain. I think that one's really important because when people say vaccines don't cause autism, if you really look at the science, autism's not a disease. It's a symptom. It's a symptom of a brain injury.

Something has happened in the brain of the child. So I had a mother say this very clearly two years ago. She's like, vaccines didn't cause my child's autism. vaccine caused my child's encephalitis, encephalopathy, the swelling of their brain. They screamed for three days straight because their brain didn't fit inside of their skull and they were in agonizing pain. And by the time they got done screaming, they lost the ability then to say, I love you, mommy, I love you, daddy the way they were before.

They couldn't walk any longer. They had diarrhea and were in diapers the rest of their lives. And I watched it all happen before my eyes. They had function, were walking, they were talking, had that vaccine, screamed for three days, encephalitis, and then when they were done, the resulting symptom of that brain swelling injury was autism. I think that that's the best way to think about it. It could have been that the side effect ended up being schizophrenia. We know that too. A brain injury can cause schizophrenia. That's why, you know, it could cause Tourette's. It could cause ADD, ADHD if it's just a light brain

injury. And so this idea that it's impossible to imagine what mechanism by which a vaccine could cause autism, it's really clear. If the thing can swell your brain and cause a brain injury, that brain injury symptom could be stemming and repetitive motion disorders and social anxiety and all sorts of issues could cause depression. So encephalopathy huge written on every vaccine. Gian Barre syndrome, I think is every single vaccine. That's paralysis. Yeah. So is transverse myelitis written in there. Paralysis. So when people say you want a return of the iron lung and and paralysis, I'm like, just look at the insert. The vaccine itself can cause that. And I have a, I would do a talk with a kid that we interviewed during vaccine during the country who was like, I think he was about 15 or 16 year old at the time, had this box on his side that, and it had like, he was totally paralyzed, had this thing that held up his head, had a hole in his throat. And this little box was breathing for him as he told his story about how this happened to him from the Gardasil HBV vaccine. He was a whole. He was a hole in his throat. He was a little box was breathing for him as he was a hole in his throat. He was a little box. He was a little. He was a little box. He was. He was a little. He was a a star athlete, was a motorcross rider, got the hepatized B vaccine because his mom thought it was a good

idea. Three days later, he was limp in a bed, couldn't move his limbs. They medevaced him. The doctors even said, has he had a virus or anything like that? She's like, he got the vaccine. They're like, oh, and they wrote it down. Vaccine. So that can happen. And as he was sitting there doing the interview and he's waiting for the air to feels like, and then he'd say, I really wish people would understand what's happening here, that they need to. to know the truth and they'd have to wait for the thing to fill his lungs for his next sentence. And I stood there and I thought, oh my God, we didn't get rid of the iron lung. That famous photo of all the people in these tubes all through the gymnasium, which is a fraud too.

They weren't even plugged in. But yeah, totally. But we didn't get rid of iron lungs. These kids are now wearing them around their sides. You carry it in a little box and it breeds for you, just like Christopher Reeves had after he fell off of a horse. So paralysis is in there. You know, you have asthma is written in. In some cases, death is a side effect.

What about eczema? Exma used to be considered strictly a vaccine reaction. Exema was not a natural, not thought of as a natural rash. Exema was, came from vaccinia. It really, the original thing was as soon as you see eczema stop vaccinating their child, they're having a reaction. Really? Yep. Yep. Okay, but then how do you explain kids that have eczema that have never been vaccinated?

I think that they, and I'm one of those kids, actually. I wasn't vaccinated, and I do have eczema and some skin issues that I deal with. Okay. I think it's because my mother was so incredibly vaccinated. She must be passing on some epigenetic quality there. I could be wrong. I don't know. And look. That's just a theory of yours. It's just a theory. And by the way, environmental toxins come from all sorts of different places. There's also antibiotics. and vaccines in our animals. And so, you know, we're all coming in contact with these things in one way or another. But, yeah, originally, if you look back at the original writings, eczema was a vaccine injury. And it was the sign that you should stop vaccinating. Is SIDS vaccine death?

The most compelling evidence I've ever seen in my life, I think proves unequivocally now. Not only it does cause the SIDS, the vaccination does cause SIDS, sudden infant death syndrome. but that there's a scientist Gary Goldman that has the evidence of why. It's so compelling and really mind-blowing. But the thing you should look at is on the VAERS system, vaccine adverse events reporting system. This is where people report if their child dies, they think it might be a vaccine.

When you look at the VAIRS system, I think it's, let's see, it's 75% of all of the deaths from SIDS happen within seven days of a vaccination. on any time you look at it. Every data recording system shows inside of seven days. And the highest number of deaths, it happens, peaks at two days after vaccination. And so when you look at science and we've done this for, this is true, every single year, every year that it's recorded, the, you know, hundreds and thousands of babies that die of SIDS, it's always 75% of it's inside of seven days.

And they'll say, well, kids are always getting vaccinated. Yeah. But outside of seven days, no one usually vaccinates more than once a month. Usually it's a lot less than then. Why are we not seeing an average distribution across time? You don't. When you see it very specifically, always within seven days of one thing you do in this life and peaks two days after that one thing you're doing, that's pretty solid evidence.

It's certainly evidence enough. And this is the point that bothers me about science and how mainstream media handles this. It's certainly evidence enough to take away your ability to say vaccines absolutely don't cause it. All the evidence shows that it's the most likely cause. And now you've got to figure out how to disprove that. Instead, the pharmaceutical industry, because it owns our television, does the opposite. They keep making us, well, prove it. Prove that it's the vaccine that in the first seven days, you know, and then you got to figure out how you do that.

I mean, the evidence is there. I can show you the kids that didn't get vaccinated and compare them, but you won't do that study. This morning, I was just a two-hour call about this issue with SIDS. Now, I can't, I'm not ready to lay out. I forget what the name of the enzymes are, but generally speaking, when a baby's born, they don't produce or they're very low in producing a certain amount of enzymes that can methylate, that can take toxins out of the body. If the baby goes through an inflammatory experience, they can just diminish and totally take away

those enzymes completely, which now leaves the baby vulnerable. Their body isn't detoxing the chemicals that are in their body. So when you give a vaccine, the known effect is it causes an inflammatory event. That's what it's designed to do. That's what makes your immune system kick in is, why is my body swelling out? Why am I under attack? But this mechanism now is showing that the vaccine is depleting the only enzymes the baby has that could clear the body to make sure it doesn't go up into their brain and

swell their brain, which then we have all sorts of problems. And also, these enzymes appear to be what affect your serotonin, and serotonin affects the breathing of a baby. And so this hypothesis is that if you shut down that enzyme through an inflammatory event in the vaccine, and then the serotonin levels get out of balance, the baby stops breathing. And therefore, SIDS. And it's really, really compelling and what's super fascinating about it is they've charted how many vaccine a child gets prior to these um they take i think it's a study is it out of Utah might not think it might have been Florida either way they took a study of babies and the amount of vaccines they received and they can literally show that there's like a 1.58% increase risk for SIDS based on each

vaccine that you add so it's 1.5 at 8 at one maxes. and then they literally go and it charts perfectly. Well, that seems pretty cut and dry. Why wouldn't a pediatrician be like, hey, just so you know. I mean. Right. Because, I mean, why don't they warn you? Why don't the first of all?

Because the pharmaceutical industry controls the FDA and controls the CDC. Those are essentially the clergy of this religion of vaccines, which is what it is. It's not science, as I've said earlier. So think of your doctors, the priest. and whatever the Cardinal tells them, that's law, and whatever the Pope is sending to the Cardinal that you never see. You never even get into that meeting. Why are vaccines such a religion? Like, is it because if you start to unravel the truth about vaccines, you start to unravel all the lies of the medical industrial industry or what? Well, that definitely. That definitely, and I'll get into that

in a second, because I think that's why I'm so fascinated by this issue and why it's pretty much all I investigate a few other things. I want chemicals out of our food and dies and things. But vaccines is nothing like this. I do believe when people see the truth on this, it will reveal everything that's corrupt about the world that you live in. But let's just go back to motivation. Like how did this become, like I would call it the golden calf, you know, it's the holy grail. It really is. It's the foundational principle of modern medicine. It's the number one thing that we do. It is the greatest advancement they'll tell you of the 20. 20th century in medicine, that it's vaccines. And so when you're trying to do what I'm doing,

which is bring some reality, can we all look at it? I say it's the equivalent to grabbing a Christian saying, I have evidence that Jesus never walked this earth. Will you take a look at something for me? And they're like, I'm not looking at that. Are you crazy? I'm not going to get away from me. That's what we're dealing with. But here's why I think it became, you know, this, this pillar of medicine so quickly. Is it? it's in many ways I think it's the God complex that we all know exists in science, this desire for doctors to, you know, whether or not they see themselves as God, to beat nature, to beat God, to do, to make human beings even better than they were designed to begin with. And this was

the only thing we've ever done that we felt like we were advancing the human being. We were going to make the human being impenetrable by outside sources, which meant, We were finally taking power into our hands and we were going to win against nature. Everything else is simply a defensive position to something that's happened to you. We can have you get hit by a car and make more of you survive than we ever have. You can get cancer and we can cut that cancer out and we can burn it and we've got drugs to, you know, get you over the pain. You can have epilepsy and we can give you a drug to handle it. Everything is just simply dealing with symptoms that are happening to you.

This is the only thing that we ever did in medicine that was like, actually, we're advancing you. We're making you stronger. We're going to make you a healthier person, a more powerful, a superman, if you will, that God didn't do that. You need us to be as strong because God, you know, came up short here. And that's why it's a religion. That's why they're so attached to it. And when this thing comes crumbling down, they just simply crumble back into regular human beings that made huge mistakes and really knew, nothing about our immune system came nowhere near close to being gods. In fact, I think we're on

the verge of them destroying the human species. We're at huge risk. If we keep allowing them to rush COVID vaccines on the market without a safety, proper safety trial, and then force everyone in the world to get it, it is only a matter of time before one of those products has such a bad side effect that they wipe out our species. Because let's be clear, from the dawn of man until now, no natural virus or bacteria has ever wiped out our species. But no virus or bacteria has ever even reached everyone in our species. It's randomized if you catch a disease. But if you have stupid human beings force you to take a man-made disease, which is what a vaccine technically is, then no one escapes. Nobody's bloodline survives. But if pharma's goal is to keep us really

sick for as long as possible to milk more money out of us, why would they want to risk killing a bunch of us? Okay, but I don't go that far. Okay. I mean, if you watch my show, look, that may be possible. And I think about it. I'll contemplate that on my own. I won't say what I cannot prove. And it's hard for me to believe still, and because I believe in human beings. I still come from a belief that everyone's doing what they think is right. So they're just misguided, but they're not purposely trying to keep a sick. Okay. Got it. If you're talking, talking to me, that's my personal position. I think that it's really beneficial to them that the product they're giving you that starts on day one of life causes an autoimmune disease in 60%. And you watch

those commercials. They're all autoimmune disease commercials. So every one of these drugs is making fortunes because of a problem that the vaccine program that they started you on caused. Is someone waking up inside of there? Probably. Are they doing it to put us on this conveyor belt? I recognize lots of podcasts, even scientists are saying that, I would still, that, that takes intent. That takes intent. And so I really stay inside of what I can prove. Everything, the reason we, by the way, we win these lawsuits. The reason we're winning lawsuits against the government in the space is we don't speculate. I don't go in to try and prove something I can't prove. I cannot prove you because I haven't found the intent. Or you'll say that. You'll say this is a theory I don't know for sure,

like the eczema thing. Exactly. I will tell you here is a hypothesis. The theory. this is what I think is going on. But in order to say that they are purposefully making us sick so that they can sell more products, I would need actual evidence of that to make that statement, which would probably be some internal emails. Isn't it awesome how we know this vaccine is causing eczema and we make this from much more eczema? I mean, that email may be out there in the day I find it.

I will change my position. So it's not that I'm not questioning it, but I can't prove that. So I'd like to stay. I think we're smarter if we stay in what we can improve. What we can prove is that these products they're giving us from day one of life are causing the very issues that all the drugs they're making fortunes off of also are not curing, by the way, only masking and helping them deal with, right? They won't come up with a drug that erases a problem ever. They won't do it for cancer. There's no money there.

No one wants to sell one pill. Well, that's what I mean, though. I mean, with cancer, like, do you think that they do have the cure? Or is the cure just, it's not a pharmaceutical product? There's a lot of very interesting deaths of people that say they have cures. If I had time, I'd love to investigate those again. I don't have evidence of that. But I do know this.

I do know this, that if the cure for cancer ever happened to be a drug that is off patent, so it's a generic. Like, let's say, Ivermectin, a lot of people are looking at Ivermectin. It's no longer on patent. Here's what I know for sure. If Ivermectin is the cure for cancer, they will never say it because the only way to say it would be you'd have to have double-blind placebo-based trials, randomized controlled trials would cost $100 million to do properly,

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People will say polio, that's not true. In fact, polio is starting to make a resurgence, which is kind of scary. But that's a different story. But smallpox, I think you have to look at the Leicester experiment. In Leicester, England, they basically had antivactors that were totally against the smallpox vaccine. And so they rioted in the city, and they basically made sure that they never got the smallpox vaccine. And what they used was quarantine. What they said is let's ride this out.

Let's just quarantine. Anyone that gets sick will put them privately by themselves and just keep them out of the public. And they had the best result of anywhere in the world. What they never had happened, which did happen a lot, was towns and counties that got the vaccine. Sometimes the vaccine would start a smallpox outbreak because there was a live virus vaccine. Ultimately, quarantine is a huge part of it. I think the fact that our water supply got cleaned up, you know, around the world is huge. And I'm not saying the vaccine, the vaccine had some effects to it, but I don't believe it reached far enough corners of the earth to say that they actually eradicated it with that.

But even if they did, let's just go ahead and assume that's the one vaccine that worked and did actually eradicate smallpox. We know for a fact that that vaccine caused smallpox, like I said, caused outbreaks that did kill people, which meant that vaccine had a very serious side effect to it. It could give you smallpox and it could kill you. It was a brand new. Let's not hold them at fault. What I would say is to say, you know, chicken pox is not smallpox. And if chicken pox has the same risks that the smallpox vaccine had, then we should reassess whether or not we think chickenpox is a dangerous enough to disease to take on the issues

and the risk that a smallpox vaccine had or a polio vaccine. Polly vaccine, you know, has caused cancer in, you know, millions and millions of people because of a simian retrovirus. The live polio vaccine is causing polio right now. That's one of the big problems. Polio is now sweeping the Middle East and third world countries because of our vaccine program. You're kidding. No, I'm not. And, well, you know, they're going to say, oh, polio's making resurgence.

Well, it's the maha people. Yeah. It's the non-vaxers. It's the anti-vacs. They're saying it right now. Well, yeah, because we're told, we're told that the unvaccin. vaccinated communities consistently have higher deaths and hospital hospitalization rates during outbreak. So why doesn't that concern you? That's a total lie. Complete and total I. COVID,

total lie. First of all, there was no, there was actually no way to register an unvaccinated individual didn't exist during COVID. We heard this as a, I mean, that's the most, let's use as an example. I can do it on all of them. But with COVID, they said this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated, a pandemic of the unvaccinated. But when we looked into lots of studies, you can, look them up, show that no hospital had unvaccinated as a category. They just had vaccine status unknown, meaning you didn't get vaccinated in our hospital so we don't have your records. You go into the unknown pile. And then they decided to make the unknown unvaccinated. So that was a total misrepresentation of the numbers. And how many people, if you went, so if you were in those lines of

cars or, you know, getting vaccinated, you know, outside, you know, a stadium somewhere. Or if you were going to a clinic or if you weren't anywhere but the hospital you ended up in when you got sick or where you were dying, then all of those people were considered unvaccinated. And on top of that with COVID, they considered, if you had one shot of the COVID vaccine, by the way, and you died, they considered you unvaccinated. If you had two, yes, you only. you only were considered vaccinated, what was it, 14 days after the second shot. So even after the second shot, if it was two shots, eight days and you end up in the hospital and you die, you were unvaccinated.

Because they said, well, your antibodies haven't ramped up enough. So therefore, so forget about it. The vaccine's actually killing you. That was hidden by it too. If the vaccine killed you, that went down as an unvaccinated person dying of COVID. I've never even heard that. telling you, I can show it to you. I believe you. I know you've done your research. It's so crazy. So, so there is no. You will not know hospital system knows how many people run back. So they don't know. And then they

use this other category. And then worse than that, they change the death certificate for COVID. For the first time ever in like decades, what you would do if you're filling out someone dies in the hospital, the cause of death would be cancer. The underlying cause of death would be pneumonia. Then the third would be pneumonia brought on by flu or pneumonia brought on by COVID, right? But we knew you were on chemo and cancer was really the reason you had no immune system. And that's why you ended up catching flu so easily and why that turned into pneumonia that we couldn't stop your cancer made it. So it killed you.

But we labeled that as a cancer death. Then when COVID hit, they said, no, we don't care what other factors are involved, whether it's cancer, a car accident, a gunshot. If you have COVID, right, you died of COVID. They were marking deaths as COVID that were like a car accident or a gunshot wound. Yes. Yes. It's documented. It's documented. And why? Why? Because they got bonus payments. So on top of a change in the death certificate, if you were diagnosed with COVID in a hospital, the hospital got an extra $12,000 check. And you said this on the high wire.

You've suggested that the CDC study, the vaccinated versus unvaccinated children, because that would reveal that unvaccinated kids are healthier. Yes. But my question is, if that is the case that we need to do this study and it doesn't exist, why hasn't your organization, I can,

funded your own peer-reviewed study for this hypothesis? Number one, it's hard to get that data, right in order to get the the medical records of enough people to do that study remember this is a retrospective studies so you have to have a database that has both vaccinated people in it and unvaccinated people in it so to get that database um would be very very difficult i'd have to convince ford medical center or harvard uh pilgrims hmo system or florida's um you know um um um Medicaid database. I have to get a hold of a database. I have to convince whoever has that database

that I want to pay you to use it. And then you get into all sorts of HIPAA problems that if it's not, you know, if it's not de anonymized, like if I don't have, if I have your names, I can't see it as an outside citizen. So it's a very, very difficult study to do as an outside organization, almost impossible. Secondly, if I can and Dell Bigtree did do that study, how many people would believe it? I mean, they would just say, well, of course, the anti-vaccine guy did the study. He got the results he wanted, right? So you have to have this study done by a reputable source, one that you trust. There's a Mawson study.

There's a doctor out of Mississippi who's done several of these. He did a poll where he called 600 homeschool mothers and ask them, can you just tell me your health records, like, give me your health records, and the health of your children and how many of them have autism. And that study, he shows that the vaccinated, I think it's like 4.7 times the rate of autism. Maybe it's 4.2 times rate of autism compared to the kids that didn't get vaccinated. Asthma is like 40 times higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. And people will say, well, that's just a polling study. And, you know, it's not super scientific.

But look, these parents were telling the truth. They had nothing to hide. And it showed these incredible rates. then you can look at Dr. Paul Thomas, who's had tens of thousands of his own children in practice. And in the middle of his practice, he started recognizing, I think these vaccines are injuring kids. Right. And more and more parents were saying, can I not vaccinated? He said, sure.

So he's done studies on his own database showed almost the exact same thing. Four times a rate of autism. He did the vaccine-friendly plan book? Yeah. Yes, right? Paul Thomas is vaccine-friendly plan. And then he came back and said, actually, just kidding. I regret.

I wouldn't recommend any. Now he's saying, do not take in. His new book is like, do not touch a single one of these. It was so clear. And he has so much damning evidence. By the way, when he did that study, they took his license away.

He fought for his license for years. This is the Gestapo of this entire thing. And lastly, I'll tell you, I hope one day it comes out. I challenged a major medical institution to do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. It was an interesting. I was traveling with Vax, the documentary, and we were coming into a theater space.

And someone said, I can get you a meeting with the head of this entire medical system that does studies. Because they're a good family. I've worked with them for years. We're really good friends. And so I met this person. And we were at dinner. And they said, you know, I watched your film Vax. It's very compelling.

But there's something I looked you up when I was going to meet with you. I looked you up. And I saw in all these videos, you're saying, something that really bothered me. You said that, you know, vaccines, they cannot say that vaccines are safe because they haven't done the proper safety trials. And this scientist said, so I went and searched our whole data. I have all every safety trial that's ever been done and I went and looked into it. And they started out the interview by saying, I'm shocked that I have to tell you, you're right. I can't believe it, that we never did any safety trials on any of these vaccines. It's

mind-blowing. But they said, but I don't know what I can do about that. And I still, it doesn't mean I don't believe in vaccines. It just means you're right. We can't actually technically say they're safe. I said, would you ever do a comparative study? Vaccinated versus unvaccinated? And they're like, sure. And I warned them. I said, look, if you do this study and I've seen others that have done it on smaller levels, I mean, this could be career ending. This is a serious. And they were like, I'm almost retired. And, you know, I follow science where it goes. So I spent about two years hounding the scientist. kept calling. We'd go out to dinner. They're really nice. And if I said, all right, you know what? Sure. We'll do it. They did that study. And it is so damning that that person that would take any

call didn't, wouldn't talk to me for a year. And finally I sat down and said, what's going on? And they said, look, I didn't think you were right. It's clear that you are. And I don't want to be the person responsible for ending the vaccine program forever. I said, that's what you think these results will do. And I said, I think that's what this study would do. Why not be responsible for that? If you know it's corrupt and you know it's hurting people, why not? Because it's a religion. And you are the priest that just said that Jesus Christ didn't live. That's who you're going to be. I'm a Christian, by the way. I'm only using that as an example. I'm not saying I believe it, but I'm just saying, just think to yourself like how big a deal. That's how big a deal this would be.

You're not going to be celebrated. You're going to be Galileo. You're going to be locked away. You're going to be Semmelweis who said we should wash our hands and ended up being thrown in an insane asylum. Medicine and science does not celebrate the individual that says, oh my God, we've been on the wrong track. We've done something horrible here. But I, when people say, do you think the vaccines cause autism? I say, I know it does because I've seen the science you haven't seen. And Robert Kennedy Jr., you know, I pray will manage to get the biggest database in the world, the vaccine safety data link together inside the CDC.

see, our own Congress paid. This is what's amazing. Our Congress wanted an answer to this. They had the Institute of Medicine, which is the Nobel laureates of America, investigate our database, has 10 million people in it where all of our vaccine studies are done. Can you do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study that would be statistically significant, you know, inside of this vaccine safety database? And the Institute of Medicine studied it and said, absolutely, we've looked at you could do a well-powered study of the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. So then our Congress paid the CDC $1 million to do that study. And the CDC took the million dollars and did a study on how to do the study.

What? Swear to God. Refused to do it, but said if you were going to do it, this is how you would have to do it. By the way, that medical institution that agreed to do it, I sent them, this is how the CDC said this study could be done, and that's how they did it. So I know what those results are, but you're a person interviews people. We study people for a living. And I want to give you my strongest hypothesis. And it's this, Bobby Kennedy, one of the first things I ever did with him, Donald Trump sent us to the NIH back in 2017 when he was first elected. He said to Bobby, look,

I have concerns about the vaccine program too. So why don't you go meet with the head of our vaccine programs, NIH? Francis Collins will be there, all the heads of NIAID and everything. Bring all of your issues there. So Bobby called me and said, we had two different nonprofits. He said, you're studying this as much as I am. Let's put all of our information together and let's go to the NIH. And we did.

And we asked. That's interesting to me. You're saying 2017. President Trump invited you to look into this. Yes. Yes. This goes, Trump and Bobby go back that far. I didn't know this.

Yeah. And so we went. And this guy was sitting across me. I never heard of his name before. Tony Fauci. Swear to God. Like, I didn't know who he was then. But he was this far away from me. Bob was next to me. Francis Collins was across from him. This is the five orange juicy team we want. Right, right. Ten, there's like ten scientists on the side of table. We had our own scientists and lawyers. But we said to them, we can't find a double. This is how we know. This is how this started. This back in 2017. We said, we can't find a double blind placebo trial any of the childhood vaccine. Are you not doing them or are you just not publishing them? And in that meeting, they admitted Tony Fauci ended up saying,

we don't do placebo-based trials because it would be unethical because it's a religion. They believe these products are so safe. Why would you keep a placebo group from being allowed to have it? Even if it's a brand new product like guard acceleration, it would be the same with cancer. And mention saying this cancer drug is so great, we're not going to have a placebo group. We couldn't deny.

We don't know how good. I mean, no one's ever taking it. But we're so sure it's great. We don't even want someone to be denied this product. That's how they look at vaccines. But then Bobby said, because Bobby ran the whole meeting, I was just sitting, we had given them all of our information. He said, okay, if you haven't, you know, if you can't do a prospective study, which is to deny a placebo group of product, why aren't you doing a retrospective study? Why aren't you doing a retrospective study of the entire vaccine safety data link?

10 million people. We've said all this. You've been paid to do it. You're not doing it. Why are you not doing it? And they said, we can't figure out a way to do that study. even though they did a whole study on how to do the study, they're still saying they don't know how to do it.

And here's my point. Do you actually believe, just for a second, that the CDC, the NIH, you know, our health community hasn't done the most obvious, easiest study you'd ever do, which is we're the home of Apple. We're the home of IBM. We're the home of PCs. We're not the home of AI and computer learning.

The easiest thing in the world to do is, say to a computer, here's the kids and people that have had vaccines throughout their life, and here's the one that didn't. Could you query who has more cancer, who has more autism, who has more asthma, who has more like everything? Every, you know, sort of chronic, of the 60% chronic illness, take everything that makes up that 60% and just ask the computer, who has more of it, the ones that have been vaccinated, the ones that haven't? You could do that study today right now if you had the tools and everything ready to go, probably in. 10 minutes, certainly in a week. So I ask you, as Bobby Kennedy was sitting in that room,

and we've been a bigger and bigger voice all the way to the point where we just, I was Bobby's director of communication. So I got them all the way to the most powerful position of health in the world, which is the HHS secretary. Do you think they want them there? No. Okay. Do you think that it's lost on them that the easiest way to stop him from being getting there would be to go ahead and do a comparative study on this database so that you could say to the world, hey, look, we study the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. Vaccinated are far healthier for all these reasons. Less cancer, less autism, less blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You have to assume they have done that study because I wouldn't be here if they were right.

And Bobby would not have this position. He would not be in control of health for the world if all they had to do was show you vaccinated or healthier than unvaccinated. So I guarantee you. I will bet my house on this. I'll bet this entire podcast studio and everything on it that they have done that comparative study because it's what they do all the time on everything else. Right. What you're saying makes sense to me. My question is, would Bobby have access to that in his position that he's in now? I'm still trying to understand that. And as close as I am, he's having to keep all of this under really close observation. What I heard when he first got in there, not sure, again, I'm not sure it's true. Right. But the story coming out was that the vaccine safety data link had been disposed of right before he got there.

That Peter Marks. Apparently possibly, let me not get, you know, be libelous here. Somebody looks like they destroyed all that data before Bobby got in there. Because that study could have been ready in a couple of weeks. We were ready to do it. It was every. everything we ran on. It's why we ran for president so that we could finally do that study and get to the bottom of this. So right now, as far as I know, that database has been obliterated. I think my understanding is scientists are being brought in to see if they can reassemble that database, figure out where it went. It's basically like 10 different satellite HMOs and things that have always been monitored. Well, maybe Doge can find it. I mean, I think that you have, you have some of the top minds that Bobby can find, I think, looking at how to put that together.

We had Bobby come out. He said, we're going to know what causes autism by September. Now the verbiage on that is very subtly being shifted. Is that because they got in there and they saw that this data was missing? And they're kind of like crap. That's what we were counting on. That's my hypothesis. Okay. Provaxers are going to say, okay, fine, happy, whatever, polio. You can't deny the polio helped almost completely eradicate that disease. We needed that vaccine. It worked. What's your response to that?

Again, I said it earlier, we haven't eradicated that disease. You know, any story that you tell has to have an ending. The story doesn't have an ending yet. And so we don't know what's going to happen. We have a really big problem right now. And that is that we're using a live virus polio vaccine in the one that sort of really stop polio in America is a dangerous vaccine. Just like smallpox, the live virus polio.

vaccine can give you polio. It can also start an outbreak. And so it's why we stopped using in America. We thought it had been effective enough. So we've gone for a less effective polio vaccine. Here's a newsflash. The polio vaccine that we're taking in America doesn't stop transmission. It's just like COVID. So it's only going to stop your symptoms, keep you from being paralyzed, which, you know, great, all right? You're not getting paralyzed, but you can carry it. And that gets to be a problem when you think about when they say community immunity. It's, it's, it's, it's, you're not, It's not just about the individuals that are vaccinated. Because, like, honestly, my mom, when I was on vaccinated,

my mom would go to a school and they'd say, we'd only have vaccinated kids in here. You can't bring your kid here. My mom would say, well, if your kids are all vaccinated, what risk is my kid to your kids? And they didn't really have an answer for that. Right. Yeah.

But what ends up, what they ended up changing the story about 10 years ago saying, no, no, no, it's not about the kids are vaccinated. We're sure, they're safe. It's about their new infant sibling that can't be vaccinated. Or about the immune suppressed, the immune suppressed cancer patient that can't take the vaccine right now, that they're in danger. So we all need to vaccinate to protect them, right? And that's herd immunity.

That's this idea of herd immunity. You have a real problem with that argument when the product only stops your symptoms, because now you have a bigger problem. And I've won court cases on this around pertussis. Same thing. Doesn't stop transmission. And so let's use pertussis because it's easy to understand. The lawsuit basically was there was a whole ad campaign.

pain that they would shield grandma holding the baby and then in the mirror she looks like the big bad wolf and the idea that you didn't get your TDAP vaccine therefore you could have pertussis and you're putting this brand new baby at risk that can't get the vaccine yet and you don't want a baby to have whooping cough. I'll agree with that. You don't want an infant baby to have whooping cough. But here's the problem. The studies now baboon studies, all sorts of studies they've done show that it just like COVID, the whooping cough vaccine only stops you from having a cough, stops your symptoms. It doesn't stop you from having whooping cough. In fact, when they tested it, if you got the vaccine and then you came in contact with, in this case was baboon, when a baboon

that had pertussis was put in a cage with one that had been vaccinated, the vaccinated colonized all of the bacteria, in fact, more. For some reason, the vaccine made them more contagious and have more of it. They just didn't know it because they weren't coughing. And so now take that and look what we're doing in the world. We're saying to the grandparent, go get this vaccine so that you'll protect the baby. But all that vaccine does is block the symptom or the alarm system that lets your grandparents know that they're sick. And so would you rather the grandparent get a vaccine? They have pertussis like crazy. In fact, even more infectious. But they feel great and they come over and they're kissing and loving on the baby. That's the most dangerous thing that could happen.

I would prefer that my parents not get the vaccine so that they get a little scratchy throat. They're starting to get kind of sick. They're going to call me and say, hey, you know what? Got a little bit of a scratchy throat. Probably not a good time to visit the baby. That's what you want to have happening. Instead, the vaccine is putting those babies at risk because no one knows that they're sick. Same thing with polio.

Eventually, and we are starting to see polio in the water system in New York City. It's very scary. They test, by the way, this is something they do all over the world. they test your sewage system to see what diseases are in the community. New York City right now has polio in some group of people. And it's really starting to panic the CDC, the WHO. And they're going to say it's the anti-vaxters that are causing it. So be watching for this. Yeah, be watching for this. Guarantee you this is going to happen. But if it's the strain that is coming out of Middle East that's being caused by the vaccine program, we're not vaccinated for, you know, and we're not taking a vaccine

that stops it. So now people are catching it from people that are visiting from all over the world and they're spreading it. By the way, if you're not vaccinated, you'll catch it, develop lifelong immunity, and you will be the only one that actually has hurt immunity that can protect that baby that can't, can protect everybody else. Lastly, polio is not the epidemic that we believe that it is. You should definitely read the book, Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphreys. If you're not into reading a really intense, powerful book, then Joe Rogan interviewed her, I think, about a month ago, and it's one of the most mind-blowing interviews you'll ever see. But she goes right at task with polio. What you don't know is that less than 1% actually had the paralysis issue. Ninety-nine percent

of people that got polio was nothing. In fact, polio was all over our bodies and on our skin since the dawn of man. It only appeared right there in America at the same. same time as we were spreading, first it was a lead and arsenic to use to kill bugs and things. It was sort of being used everywhere. One of the side effects that are paralysis. And then we switched that out for a product called DDT. If you go back and look at the old black and white movies, they were like running these trucks and spraying this pesticide insecticide. They were spraying pools.

You see clouds of kids getting hit with it. They said it was perfectly safe like you could eat it on your Cheerios. What? That is what was happening at the same time. have the polio outbreak. So Suzanne shows you that this very well may have been a paralysis brought on by chemical poisoning than by polio. Polio doesn't have a strong history of causing paralysis where you don't have toxic chemicals around. Number one, number two, less than 1% actually had that issue, even though we feel like it was like 99%. So 99% of people do just fine. It's just like having a

cold. It's an enterovirus. Lastly, there's some doctors and nurses out there that in the polio outbreak used a different method instead of, and I forget this one famous nurse, instead of binding the legs of the kids that got polio, she did the opposite. Every day she made them like bend them, like bend them, move all of their limbs, just kept them moving throughout the illness for a week or two and not one of her kids ended up having permanent paralysis. And it really, again, this is like common sense. Like where would you ever atrophy something? If it's getting stiff, why bind it so it stays stiff?

You know, we know this when we have an injury now. We work it out. We bend on it. We walk it off. Like you don't lay there anymore. You don't let it get stiff. Instead, our approach, the binding of the legs is probably what really ended up causing all of the major paralysis.

So there's just lots and lots of points there that I think need to be considered. This story again is manufactured. Now, a lot of this, we know benefit of hindsight. I'm sure polio was very scary for the people who were involved with it. But at the same time, this is another shocking reality. Right when the polio vaccine comes, the polio was going like this already. The polio vaccine comes. And what also changes is they change the definition of polio as soon as they gave the vaccine.

Prior to the vaccine, you had to have a paralytic. you know, symptom, and then come back two weeks later, and if you still had that symptom, that was polio. Once the vaccine came, they said, you only have to have paralysis two days in a row, like inside of a 48-hour period, and then you have paralysis. So they absolutely lowered the bar on things you could call polio. They also cut out Guillain Barre syndrome, transverse myelitis, and labeled them as different things. So they were developing the ability to realize there was different paralytic diseases. Right.

So that, just think of that. If you did that, that shrinks polio because now you're breaking what used to be one catch-all for paralysis and putting it in four different categories. They did it exact same time that they deliver the vaccine. And here's what's amazing. President Roosevelt, famous for having polio in the wheelchair, right? And is the March of Dimes? All that comes out of his paralysis.

Like, oh, my God, he's a polio sufferer. He really believes in this. We got to get behind this. They've gone back and looked at the symptoms and how it all happened. He had transverse myelitis. No way. Didn't have polio. This interview, I'm going to have to listen to it 10 times.

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Okay. Okay. But let's be clear. And I've, I didn't look at the newspapers, but I got interviewed last week by New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street, generally. Everyone was like, is Kennedy overreaching now? Is this really in his, should he be doing this as H.H. Secretary? Isn't this out of line?

Like, that was sort of the line of questioning. And I would say this. The advisory committee on immunization practices is the beating heart of corporate capture. When I was Bobby's, you know, director of communications, he ran on really two issues. He'll the divide and end corporate capture and the corruption of corporate. interest controlling our government. That was his number one thing, especially because we know what's happening inside of these HHS, NIH, CDC, FDA. And so the advisory committee on immunization practices has notoriously been conflicted with conflicts of interest. In fact, the last study done on

the we called ASIP committee is that 97% of them are not filling out their conflict of interest forms because they work for the very same company that's presenting their vaccine and they're all rubber stamping every vaccine. To prove the point, it should bother people now that they're discovering the truth, which is not a single double-blind placebo trial happened for any of your vaccines. None of your vaccines got the same appreciation that a cancer study got. Your child was never considered as necessary for safety as someone that's dying of four-stage cancer. They care more about the safety of a product for a cancer patient than your brand new baby. That should be so alarming and upsetting to you and then recognize that not one of those vaccines would have been

allowed to have skipped the safety trials if anyone at ASIP had raised their hand and said, oh, hell no. Oh, hell no. But instead, you've had this rubber stamping group of corporate, you know, captured shills pushing products that absolutely of all the products on earth that should be getting the longest, most durable, thorough safety tests there are is the one product that's being forced on perfectly healthy children that have no risk whatsoever right now. You are putting them at risk with a product that didn't get a safety study. And you can open it up and see everything I've said, transverse myelitis, paralysis, heart issues, skin issues, Stephen Johnson's syndrome, your skin can fall off, encephalitis, all of that. For what?

And then you don't even know how many it's happening to because you never did a safety study. That's the advisory community on immunization practices. And finally. And I can tell you one of the first things I did when we were with the informed consent action network, the nonprofit I started, Aaron, Siri, our lawyer, said to me, Del, if we're ever going to change this issue, we've got to start going to these ASIP meetings. Because that's where they keep adding all these vaccines on the schedule. And it's open to the public. and we can speak on a microphone and talk out against it right in the middle of the meeting.

I was like, let's do that. So we back in 2017 went to the first advisory committee meeting. It's just me and Aaron. And then it's just all far. I mean, it's packed. Like, I don't know, three, 400 people in the room. Everyone around these circles of voters and everything. And you can see some of the images.

You look them up online. And we're just in a couple of chairs. You could sit whatever you want it, really. Anywhere around the circle. So the first time, the three of us. Then I went on the high water and said, check out what they said at this meeting. because it's all public. I'd burn them hard.

And then the next time it's like, we're going, meet us there and sign up. And here's how you sign up. So the next time there's like 25 of us at this meeting. And then the third time, there's like a hundred people starting to show up. And we were all lining up on the microphone and getting our time.

I mean, this used to be a country club for pharma. And we messed it up hard. And so last week was really for me, it was cathartic because it is one of the main things. that we've been fighting for is to clean up that corrupt agency that keeps forcing more and more of these dangerous products on our kids and to see Bobby finally just, you know, wipe them all out. And I'll be honest, there's some real pro-vaxxers that are on the new committee, as there should be. But there's also people that really have asked serious questions.

So it's going to be a diverse group of scientists, which is how science is supposed to happen. I'm sure you're going to see a lot of more arguments where I think the first meeting is in a next Thursday. everyone's wondering, what is that meeting going to be like? Does it stay on the rails? Because now, now this conversation is going to be a debate. The rubber stamp is over. So it's a great moment. Why did Bobby Kennedy tweet, well, vaccines are safe and effective and all that recently? Again, I'll stick to hypotheticals and speculating. And I'll be honest, he's not, he knows me well enough that I'm not, I can't lie. so he is definitely not telling me certain things because he knows the press is asking. And so all he said to me is everything I've said is true.

And he's right. And you're talking about he didn't say all vaccines that I think the quote you're talking about was during the measles outbreak here in Texas. I think they just had a second death. He was visiting the family. And he said something to the fact that the measles vaccine is the best way to protect yourself from the spread of measles. Technically, that's true.

The measles vaccine is actually effective as far as we can tell. I have some questions about it. But you aren't going to catch measles after you've had that vaccine. Now, you could have side effects from that, but he doesn't get into that. He didn't say, he didn't say, and it's the safest thing you could ever do with your body. He doesn't go that far, which is my beef with it, actually. You know, my beef with Bobby is like, you said you were going to be transparent. The one part may be true.

And I tweeted out, actually, after his, I said, your tweet got cut off. It's also the best way to cause autism as witnessed by millions of parents around the world. I think what you're watching, in fact, I know what you're watching in Bobby is you're watching the swamp. You're watching a guy who has written books on how he sees the world, especially around vaccines, on chemicals. He's the greatest environmental attorney of all times. But he's not in a courtroom now, and he's not standing, you know, with an audience of us, you know, and getting us all riled up at a crowd. He is the head of an agency

that has 65,000 people in it. And, you know, when you want to get something done, you need those people to actually want to help you. Do you trust that he can withstand the pressure the next four years? I think he can withstand the pressure. The question is, will he be able to cut through the apathy? Can he cut through the bureaucracy

and get done what needs to get done? I was with him in several meetings as he started talking to potential, you know, people to be in his cabinet. And one of them, I'll never forget, was a former HHS secretary for a little while that said something very interesting. He said, you know, Bobby, and I expected all these people to hate Bobby, by the way. I mean, because they were all like, they're all from, a lot of it were sent over by Trump. Like, here's the people who have done it. Here's who we've liked before. And so, you know, those meetings were very interesting.

But they all kind of looked at him with like stars in their eyes. Like, wow, you might be able to do what I was never able to do. Like, and it's to the point. People mean well. They're just, it takes a special kind of person to actually make change. It takes a real warrior that really doesn't care what anyone else thinks. But this one I'll never forget. You said, you know, Bobby, I hear you talking about this like, you know, the corruption inside of the agencies is what the problem is.

And the fact that there's this revolving door where people work as the head of HHS and then they go on to work for Pfizer. And he's like, you know, that's a problem. But that's like 10% of your problem. And he's like, I've also heard about how you talk about the kickbacks that are happening, like Moderna's made. And I think there's like 10 people that own patents in Moderna that work at NIH. So you have real government officials making money off of a product by the same agencies

that are supposed to be testing it for safety and telling you whether it works or not. It's a huge conflict of interest. And he said, you know, and that exists. And it's a problem. But that's about 10% of your problem. He said 80% of your problem when you take this job is this massive bureaucracy that has no intention of ever doing anything different than it's been doing it for the last 80 years. And when you show up, you're like a substitute teacher. And it's like, well, you'll be here for, you know, two years, maybe four years.

And then the next person will come. We're not going anywhere. so we'll just, you know, tell you what you want to hear. They'll tell you what you want to hear. They'll tell you what you want to hear. I want the study. Yeah, we love to do that study. It's like, and then for a month you'd be like, okay, how's the study coming? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're working on. Then three months you start getting pissed off.

Like, what's happening with the study? I need to see the study. And like, okay, yeah, we're just finishing up, finishing up a month later. That's it. I'm going to fire you. Okay, we're coming. Here's the study. And then you'll get it.

And it's the exact opposite of what you ask them to do. And you're like, no, this is the opposite way we have to do. Oh, are bad. And the process starts all over again. Oh, it's a tactic. He's like, if you can figure out how to deal with that, then, then, you know, and the rest of it's not. He's like, you do have an advantage, this person said.

You have an advantage, Bobby, because, you know, you're not a lawyer like some of us or you're not a doctor. You don't have to go and work with this industry. You don't care. You might go back to suing them. So there's no love lost or you don't. You are not manipulated the way the rest. of us. I didn't want to hurt someone's feeling so bad because they may be my client somewhere in the

future. You don't have that. So Bobby has that advantage. But he's also, I'll tell you, Bobby's a really incredibly nice guy. Like he's just really genuinely a good person who loves people and doesn't see people as his enemy and wants people to work together. So if he's making statements like the measles vaccine is the best way to, you know, protect the super measles. He's trying to do several things. First of all, I am sure someone high up is saying, you better jump on this sword or your days here are going to be number. You're never going to get to anything you want to do if you don't at least sort of stand in this conjecture. So maybe there's pressure there. But also, he is the HHS secretary for the whole country. 50 percent of this country still believes in the

vaccine. So he's addressing them and saying, I'm not doing what they warned you, I would. They told you I would come in here and take your vaccines away. It's not one of the I'm going to do, I'm going to do science on your vaccines, and you're going to need to see it. He's also signaling, as he said, you know, in a really great meeting from the whole HHS body, I want to put all of our differences aside. I want to put all of our preconceived ideas of what all of us think. And I want to come to this table of science with fresh eyes, fresh minds, able to put every single thing on the table. We're going to look at all of it and come up with the real answers for the people, despite who may have been funded or who is made by or who we know,

can we leave all that outside? And so I think when you're seeing these statements, though I'm not crazy about that statement, I know what's in his heart. I've known him for 10 years. I worked, I walked next to him for three years. I can assure you that a man who's been dragged, I mean, and I see a lot of attacks from our side. And I'll say this. I'm a journalist. I'm not a doctor. some of them are doctors, whatever. I've studied human beings. And I will tell you, I've never met a person that could be dragged through the mud, have their entire family name ruined in Kennedy,

have their legacy of being the greatest environmental attorney of all times, basically destroyed simply because they look at this environmental toxin mercury that's being injected through vaccines. Suddenly, they lose all of that reputation, a guy that was literally handed a Senate seat in New York and decided, you know what, give it to Hillary Clinton. I don't think I want to be in politics. That's how big this guy was right before he got into the vaccine issue. Then he saw something like I did that changes your life forever. There's no other explanation for it. And that's what was so amazing about watching him

run for president is people like, this guy is definitely not crazy. I mean, he and he's well read. He understands the Middle East. He understands war. He understands politics. I mean, he seems he's so knowledgeable about all of this. And that's the guy I know. This is, he is here. He is here. for all the right reasons, but they have destroyed his credibility. He has been dragged hard and feathered on this vaccine issue for nearly 20 years. You don't go through all that, make it through every gauntlet and stand by it. I even said to him on the campaign one day, Bobby, why did you never walk away? I mean, I don't really, I didn't have much to lose. I mean, I was, you know, I was a good producer at CBS, but you're like Robert Kennedy. You could have gone on

to easily have been president. You definitely could have been senator. You could have been a governor. And you're the greatest environmental attorney. Democrats love you for environmental work. And they would probably bring you back if you would just say, I'm letting this vaccine thing go. Let me get focused on the other things that you all care about. And he said, Del, my father raised me to believe that we're here for the people that don't have a voice.

And if you find an issue, you know, that is the people are suffering from. then it is your duty to use any power you have to protect those people. And he said, Del, the moment I recognize that babies are being killed, that children's lives are being destroyed at higher and higher numbers, that 85% of autistic children will never hold a job. They'll never get to be married. They'll never have a family. You know, that's not fair, and it's not right,

and I am not wired to walk away from that. someone that fights like that their whole life and puts up with all the ridicule that suddenly has a job where they can do something about it, doesn't at that moment go? Well, you know what, now that I'm here, let bygones be bygones. You say all of this, I mean, glowing stuff about Bobby, but aren't you suing him? Not suing him yet. I am bringing Freedom of Information Act requests against HHS. Okay, explain this. So Freedom of Information Act requests is how we start our lawsuits.

We ask for information, or we ask for something to be done. If it doesn't get done or we don't receive what we're asking for, then we bring a lawsuit. We have started with a Freedom of Information Act request demanding that the vaccine safety data link, that database that may have been destroyed that we were talking about earlier, we are demanding that that be made public so all scientists in the public can do the same studies that we're asking the government to do. That's a part of my putting pressure on the system. Okay. But it doesn't mean you guys aren't friends anymore.

No. And this is part of like a lot of people ask because I said I've stepped down from running the Maha PAC and Maha Alliance Maha action because I was starting to feel a little bit of a conflict of interest there. The work that I do at my other nonprofit informed consent action network on the high wires, I've been suing the government. It's how we bring pressure. It's how we bring transparency. So on one hand, I really believe that Bobby can't, he can't just find stuff and just hand it to the public. It actually needs to be pulled out of the government through lawsuits and things like that. Okay. So I feel like that's my position to bring those lawsuits and demand. Like I'm demanding, where's the VSD, right? He's probably thinking, where is the FN VSD?

I'm trying to find it in here. Yeah, yeah. But I want to bring public pressure so that he can maybe bring political pressure. Okay. That totally makes sense. All right. But that being said, I did also come out against his statement on that X saying, this is not a safe vaccine. And I wish he to, I mean, what I wish he did done and said, you know, MMR vaccine is the best way to, you know, protect yourself from measles.

But if you're worried about the safety, here's go to, you know, FDA approved vaccines, look up the MMR and then read the list of side effects. If you had put that in his ex- tweet, then I feel like you're being as transparent. as I had hoped you would be. Now, look, I don't know who he's dealing with. I don't know if it's Trump team that's bringing pressure. Like, can you do me a favor? Like, by the way, I know Trump really wants him to get to the bottom of this issue. Why does President Trump, who's obsessed with McDonald's and all of this care so much about this health stuff? Because the mainstream media can't wrap their mind routing either. And I get asked this like weekly. I think the vaccine injury has been close to him. I think he's, I think he means it when he says he's seen it with his own eyes. And I

think it scared the hell out of him. And I think from that moment, he has been doing something about it. And so all the way back in 2017, when he first talked to Bobby and we had that meeting, this is something he hasn't let go. You're usually not that passionate about something unless it's affected your life. I feel like it must be something that is his to keep private. But it is, it's outside of the normal way that I see him carry himself on most issues like this. And you're Right. He eats McDonald's. So what is the big deal here? But ultimately, you know, I've gotten the opportunity to stand in a room with both Bobby and Trump a couple of times. And I'll be honest, I don't think Trump knows my name. I mean, when you go to these things, I'm a part of that little

entourage behind the only guy that's actually getting to speak to Trump. But being in the room, these two guys, the way that they talk to each other, the way they act to each other, both on camera and off camera is really one of the most beautiful things I've seen. Because I've seen publicly the power of Trump and whatever you think, he's got in big ego and all this. I know how powerful and dynamic, you know, Bobby is, but they both are very careful. They like, they, like, pull it back to make sure that they don't step on each other's toes.

And it's happening, like, is a mutual experience. Donald Trump gets on a microphone, he goes out of his way to just mostly talk about Bobby. Then Bobby gets on. He does most of it's, this is for Donald Trump. This is President Trump's made this possible. You know, but even when they talk to each other,

there's a grace and a respect for each other that is really unique. And I've heard from some people around President Trump that, you know, the other entourage behind Trump, well, we're all talking around the water cooler. Like, yeah, he doesn't really treat anyone else like that. Like he treats Bobby.

I love that. A little friend. It's like frog and toe. Yeah. On a scale of one to 10, how would you rate the job we've done in Maha? so far. Like, where are we pulling punches? What do we need to hit hard next? Well, I think, like to determine, like, two things about maha. I think there's Bobby and maha and maha as an executive

order. Maha is a commission inside of government. I think that's different than the Maha movement, which is a movement of the people for the people by the people, which I think is the most important part of Maha. This, no matter what Bobby ends up doing, it's still the government. And one of the things that I'm focused on right now is government is not, should not be determining your health. You should not be putting your life in your body, in your sovereignty, and your faith of what, you know, is good for you and not good for you in the hands of your government. If all the things on this earth that you should hold dearest and do your most research on and really be skeptical, even if it's a doctor in a lab code, I don't care, do your own research.

It's health. this issue. So as a movement, our job is to pressure the government to do as much as it can possibly do, especially right now, but also we should be working harder to build systems amongst ourselves, communities amongst ourselves, find those practitioners that aren't using drugs as your first method of health, you know, starting to do some research. What do you think about chiropractor? What do you think about homeopathy? What do you think about acupuncture? All of those things, because there are so many ways to achieve health that are outside of the drug industry. And for whatever Bobby attempts or even champions and makes happen inside this government,

pharma is there and it will return. And so I think we should have to be careful to rate our success based on something the government is doing. We should be rating our success on what we're achieving. But for Bobby right now, I would give him, I would honestly give him a 10 out of 10. And here's the reason. I know people freak out. There are people dying right now from the COVID vaccine and he hasn't gotten rid of it. And I was just going to say there's a handful of doctors very loud on social media right now. Piss to the heavens saying. Or maybe back it off. We'll give him a nine out of ten. Well, they're like, Bobby, we have the evidence. Take the freaking COVID vaccine off the recommended schedule. I mean, is it political suicide for him to do that? Like, can he really do it? It would be a total mistake at this point in? I believe that would be the biggest mistake he could make. Okay, why? Because those people are adamant.

Like, we're all corrupt. Callie Meads is corrupt. You know, he's a lizard man, whatever, because we won't, we're not advocating for Bobby to do this yet. Okay. I want anyone that's thinking that to embrace whatever family member they have that are just the staunchest pro-vaxxers and are lining up for their 10th booster shot. And think about how much of this country thinks that Bobby Kennedy is a fraud, a shill,

that he's there for the anti-vaxxers, is there, he's anti-science. And then imagine when the anti-science guy just goes in and personally says, trust me, the science is there and we're getting rid of the COVID-Vet. We're getting rid of all MRI technology. And while we're at it, there goes the hepatitis B vaccine,

and I might even yank the MMR off the shelves. What would that actually do for this country? What would that, and more importantly, what would that do for this vaccine issue? There would be a bunch of really stoked anti-vactors. and ex-vaxxers and people that or those that just want, you know, medical freedom, I guess, going, yeah, awesome. And almost like in a revenge, we did it, man.

Screw you. You messed with us during COVID. We came back and we took you out. And we'd be jumping up and down and maybe some babies, maybe some babies will be saved, you know, during that period of time. But the reaction to that will be complete and total rage by half the country that will do everything. They will turn away from worrying about ice and they will be all over the Capitol. And then Trump will have to ask, do I need this much pressure on what Bobby's doing or not?

And then get rid of Bobby completely. And maybe get rid of Bobby and say he did it. So is there a path eventually in the next four years to maybe remove? I will tell you that we talked about this for years coming into this. That if Bobby ever got to that position, that he would have to move methodically, that the only way we actually make change, is change that everyone in this country sees and believes, which is don't bring a bunch of anti-vaccine doctors to run the regulatory agencies. And by the way, I hate using that term because it's a pejorative put on people that made really great decisions, risk their careers and licenses,

you know, but we've got to find, you know, people that Democrats trust. Right. So when you see Dr. Martin McCary, everyone knows that. That's a television. He's a great, you know, was a, you know, surgeon and, I mean, very well qualified. Dr. Mehmet Oz has his own show, one of the most accomplished heart doctors ever. And both those guys have made pro-vaccine statements, right? Bring in people like that that are truly dedicated to the science. And you're watching it in Marty right now, right?

All he's saying is, I need evidence that this vaccine, that this booster shot actually is stopping transmissioner that's effective for children. That's all we ever wanted to ask. But bring in scientists like that. Then have those scientists take a look at the database. Bring in scientists, look at how he's with the advisory community and immunization practices. Bring in Dr. Robert Malone, who's invented vaccines, including the mRNA technology itself, but has now got some skepticism across from Martin Koldorf, who is pro-childhood vaccine, thinks all those vaccines are great.

Maybe we need to look at the COVID vaccine. And then a couple of the guys that Paul Offutt himself is saying these are brilliant choices. Bringing people from all over the spectrum of science. and then say, can we all sit down and say, how would we do the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study that we all know could get to the bottom of this? Let's think tank to make sure that the pro-vaxxers got their way of doing the study in, that we all found a compromise so that this study that if we saw, whatever we see, all of us will resoundingly say we agree that is the results of that study.

If you do that and then you present that to the world, and that shows that there are some things that maybe the vaccine is great for and others that is bad for. And we as a group, and by the way, the vaccine safety data link is now public because I can won their lawsuit or whatever. Adele Bigtree got his way. So any university, Harvard or Oxford, or even across the ocean, you can get this data and run the study, see how we did it and run it and see if it's reproducible. And if you put up science, let's say it shows that the vaccine actually increase your risk of autism by four times, 400% increased risk of autism if you get the vaccine. You don't want it just because Bobby told you so. You want it because you know a Harvard

doctor that has been pro vaccine and anti-Bobby this whole time said, I'm shocked I have to tell you, but looking at the evidence, it's there. And anyone in the world can check our math and they'll come to the same conclusion. When that moment happens and I believe it's possible and I believe it will happen if Bobby's given the right amount of time. Then you have just made change. Then the entire country says, oh my God, I guess we need to reevaluate the vaccine program. We need to reevaluate a country that forces this on me and my kids without my consent. And that's what Bobby is working towards. And anything else to me is a sand painting. Anything else he does prior to that will be a great victory and we'll save kids for a few days.

But the moment he leaves that job, we'll go right back, and we will never, ever, ever get this opportunity again. We will never have a Robert Kennedy Jr. again. We'll never have a man that's capable of the type of compromise to dance the way it because I don't think I could do it. I don't think I'd be able to do it. I don't think I'd be able to sit there the way he did in those hearings

and get berated with things you know they're wrong on and just suck it up and deal with it. Bobby is designed for this. He's designed to get this done right. And he is focused on one thing. I want the world to see the science that has never been done. I want the scientists involved to not just be on my side, but just to be committed to doing good science. And I want this science to be reproducible.

And whatever comes from that, we will change the world forever. That is what he's up to. And any other demand is an ego demand for a little celebrational moment that will blow away like a sand painting in the wind. That is not what we're here for. anybody in this administration have the power to reverse the 1986 law that protects vaccine manufacturers? Only the Congress can do that. Okay. Because the Congress put that act in place. There are other things that could change the mandate for a vaccine, like taking, you know, if you took the COVID vaccine off the recommended schedule, that schedule, COVID's not a good example because it also is PREP Act covering it. But if you took a vaccine off the, like, let's say hepatitis B. If Hep hepatitis B comes out of recommendation. And we say, you know what? We think this is just

doctor's choice that the risk is so low for everyone that doesn't have Hep B. That being added to the CDC schedule is what gives it the 86 liability protection. If the CDC took it off the schedule, now you could sue it. But you can't go backwards. I'll say you've a vaccine injured child and this law gets reversed. Can you go back and sue them or no? You're out of... You'd probably have issues. I'm not a lawyer. You'd probably have issues with... Retroactive lawsuits? That you've run out of the time frame that you have to report an injury. I think it's inside of three years. You have three years to recognize that that was a vaccine injury to bring a lawsuit. Okay, got it. Can President Trump do anything for these families living in states that say your kid cannot attend school if they're not fully vaccinated?

Somebody just asked me this the other day. I think he said something along the lines of I will stop funding public schools that force vaccinations on their students. I think he made that statement or alluded to it. That's potential. I mean, I think we draw a lot of lawsuits, obviously, from those states or those schools. I haven't seen him do that. But that's, I think, something that could possibly be in his purview. But also, you know, I think you also want to be really careful.

This is something that I grew up a liberal progressive from Boulder, Colorado. I'm now politically marooned. If I had to say, I probably aligned with libertarians more than anything else. But I do get more and more into bringing the libertarian idea that you want your government as close to you as possible. So you want your city to be more powerful than your county than your state and up the road because it's easier to replace a senator than it is to replace a president. So if the president, the law comes down from the president, it's really hard to get to him to change it. The law comes down. from a governor or inside of your state, it's easier. It takes fewer votes to replace them. So you have more power as a citizen. I think we should be really careful how often we use Donald Trump, President Trump, to make to fix our problems. To let the federal government fix our problems. Because really, that's just another version of the nanny state. It's the same thing that conservatives complain about that the liberals do, which is you just use the power and the wand of federal, authoritarianism to get your what you want. Go to your local elected officials and say, I'm not happy with this state law. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, your job is to change your legislators,

to change in California, your legislators that are voting to have a mandated vaccine program. And by the way, this is what my nonprofit informed consent action network does. We bring lawsuits. We won back the religious exemption for vaccine all the UC university school system. So as a college student, you don't have to get back. You can opt out on a religious. just believe. So now all we have left is the elementary, you know, lower school system, and we're bringing lawsuits to achieve that. I also know that inside of the politics, the state capital in California, we're starting to see Democrats come our way. This thing is changing across the board. And again, we should as citizens be empowered to do as much of this on our own

as we can. If you're angry that Bobby Kennedy hasn't pulled every vaccine at children being injured. Maybe instead of just screaming at him on your podcast, why don't you use your podcast to wake up every parent to know, here's how you get an exemption, here's why you should never take this thing, inform yourself, because if you're waiting for Bobby, you're still allowing all of your society to believe that the government will one day be there for you and protect you. I just don't think that's the case. Okay, so speaking of that, what should people watch, what should people read, so that they can, you know, go to Thanksgiving dinner or go to the summer cookout and and be able to defend these ideas and be as well read as you.

Go to the highwire.com. Every Thursday I talk about these topics. And as I think I've shown you, I won't say anything I can't back with science. I don't speculate. And if I do, I'll tell you this is a speculation. So the highwire is important. Our nonprofit informed consent action network has a website I Can Decide.org where we have white papers on what we've discovered on vaccines and a great debate we had with HHS long before

Bobby was there saying here's what we think is the problem with your vaccine program. Here's what you should do. And they responded and it goes back and forth. It's very interesting. I think on this issue of vaccines, the documentary I made, not because I made it. I think vaxed is one of the most powerful tools. And especially if you're pregnant or thinking of having a baby, that movie has a way of explaining this in a very simple, understandable way that is so powerful.

I have people stop me in airports almost every day. day and say vaxed saved my life. Where do you watch it? You can go to our website, the highwire.com, just hit the search and write in VaxxX-E-D. You can watch it for free. I think almost every, I think other nonprofit, CHD, I think has it available. Like it's, it's, you know, it's one of those films. It's out there.

But then I would say, look, if all of that feels like it's biased because it's coming from a guy like me that seems like I have a perspective on this, then I would say, do what I've asked you to do. Go to the totally unbiased space. Go to Google and just type in FDA license vaccines and take the schedule that they want to give your kids. And you can go to the CDC. Just say CDC childhood schedule. Print that out and say, all right, here's the name of all the vaccines. Then look up the vaccine. Click on it and click on package insert. And remember, this is written by the people that are making billions of dollars off of it. And look at what they say the potential side effects are that you never heard about. Look at, as I said, 6.1. How long was the safety trial? Was there a

placebo? There isn't one. And usually it's less than six months. And then look at the ingredients. They'll tell you the ingredients. There's aluminum in there. There's aborted fetal DNA. You have to sort of, you know, know how to look for that. But then there's hamster kidney cells. There's animal proteins. There's polysorbate 80. There's, you know, in vaccines, there's propylene glycol, like basically antifreeze. Just do that. You don't have to have my information. Look what they admit to and ask yourself why your doctor never gave you this insert. And my final test is this. If you're still going to your pediatrician, I want you to ask one question before you get a vaccine. Say to them, will you please list to me every ingredient that's in the vaccine you're about to give my kids?

T-dap, D-TAP, MMR. What's in it? And they'll say, well, it's some virus. No, no, no, I mean, specifically, I want to know every single ingredient in it. They're like, oh, well, I mean, I don't, I'd have to, I mean, if you're lucky, they'll say, let me go get the vaccine insert and bring it to you. Usually, they'll get really frustrated, and probably this will end with you being kicked out of the practice. But I have yet to find a pediatrician that can list the ingredients of any of the vaccines. And here's why that's a problem.

You are holding them on a pedestal, believing that they're smarter than you are, that they know more about this product than you do and why should you ever question them. But they don't even know what's in it. I want to point out that your pediatrician really only does two things. They weigh your baby and tell you how heavy they are and if they're meeting their, you know, scores and they vaccinate your baby. So the only thing they really need to know anything about that would take a little bit of research. And I thought that eight-year, you know, license you got that it has me like genuflecting to you meant you actually study this thing. And when they cannot list a single ingredient or all the ingredients in that product, I want you to leave that, that

medical office, and I want you to go to a decent restaurant down the street, anyone that, you know, you know, serves dinner. And I want you to walk in and I want you to sit down to that menu that has like a hundred things on it. And I want you to grab the waiter when they walk up and say, I have several allergies. Can you tell me everything that's in this dish right here of the hundred that are on here? And watch that waiter tell you everything. I know. because it was waiting for 20 years. They'll tell you everything that's in it. Garlic, olive oil, you name it, 20 ingredients.

There's only like 15 ingredients in the vaccine, and there's only like 15 vaccines. Why have they never taken the time to even be able to tell you that and forget about what side effects it? They don't know anything at all. Are you worried at all about people not having a paper trail if they don't have a pediatrician for their kid

and medical kidnapping? No. Did your kids have a pediatrician? Hell no. Okay, ask every guess this. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be? Curiosity. Ooh.

Get curious. It's not angry. Forget all of that. Just be curious. Why? Why does this person think something different than I do? Even if you're anti-vax, you think you are. Like if I interviewed, you know, Tony Fauci, I just want to know why, man.

I'm curious, how is it you and I see the world so differently? What is it you've looked at? What is it in your life that has made you make the decisions like making up a six-foot distancing rule that had no place in science? Help me understand what motivated you think that that was the best thing to do at the time. I'm really curious. Be curious why your doctor can't list the ingredients in a vaccine. Be curious why they're yelling at you if you ask, can I say,

see the vaccine insert because I thought it was allowed to be informed. I thought this is a free country. Be curious about everything, though. Be curious about is it really, you know, is Donald Trump. Right now, I'm curious, why is he connected with Palantir and allowing, you know, AI and research centers to, like, have all of our data? And why is he allowing real ID? I mean, just because there's things I like about him doesn't take away my curiosity about the things I don't think I like, right? We got to get out of being just sort of pigeonholed into some identity we've put on ourselves. Be that person that is just always curious and always asking questions. And really, I can't pin them down. I don't know what they really believe because they're

willing to question everything. Where should people follow you on social media? Go to the highwire.com at Del Bigtree is everything that I do personally and at Highwire talk. Is Bigtree a real last name or fake? It's my mom's last name. I took my mom's last name because my father had an alias. It's kind of a long story, but he had a troubled youth and then changed his life, became a minister. So I grew up in like his new version of himself. But when I turned 18, I just thought that's not a real name. And I love mom. My mom is Mohawk, Iroquois Nation from upstate New York. And it's interesting because I've become, I think somewhat of a warrior, I guess. people would say, I feel like a warrior. And I think somehow I felt that energy inside of me and related to it. And so I'm proud to take my mom's, and by the way, Native American culture was always matriarchal until very recently. So probably it should have been her name that I took anyway. Well, Del, thank you. It's been an honor to have you on. I've been wanting to have you on for years. So thank you for coming on Culture Apothecary. Thank you for having me. It's been a blast.

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