Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - Jenny McCarthy On Being Jesus First, Pro-Medical Freedom and Conservative

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

Jenny McCarthy is finally on the show…Did Donnie Wahlberg really understand her activism from day one? What does Hollywood actually think about MAHA and medical freedom? Does she consider herself a conservative? We also talk about what Charlie Kirk meant to her during some of her hardest seasons, along with her faith, her relationship with Jesus, and how her perspective has evolved over the years. Jenny is a wife, mom, actress, bestselling author, judge on The Masked Singer, founder of Formless Beauty, and a true pioneer in the medical freedom movement — and this conversation is funny, honest, vulnerable, and very Jenny.Thank you to our sponsors!TAYLOR DUKES WELLNESS: Use code ALEXCLARK for 10% off your purchase.GARNUU: Use code ALEX to get 15% off your one-time subscription or purchase.JASPR: Use code ALEX for $400 off.TOOTHPILLOW: Use code ALEXCLARK for a FREE video assessment.COWBOY COLOSTRUM: Use code ALEX for 25% off.BLDG ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR: Use code ALEX for 20% off your order.Our Guest:Jenny McCarthyJenny's Links:InstagramFacebookFormless Beauty InstagramFormless Beauty Website👗 Get Alex’s freshest fashion picks and exclusive guest recommendations—delivered straight to your inbox!Sign up for the newsletter HERE:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WEEKLY NEWSLETTER SIGNUP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FOLLOW ALEX:Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.DISCLAIMER: This content is for informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always talk to a qualified healthcare professional for any health-related questions or decisions.

How did you link that it was the vaccines to your son's autism? I was in the grocery store on the cover of Time magazine while I was checking out. Mothers are concerned that the MMR is causing their child's autism. By this point, Evan's milestones were all there. But Evan was suffering from other things I didn't know were warning signs. The autism that we are seeing, the kids that can't speak, that are head banging, that are eating in their feces, that are spreading feces on the wall all day long, that's not just better diagnosis.

There is an absolute shift in the paradigm of our health. What sentiments do you hear from Hollywood about Maha? There's more conservatives than you would know hiding out in Hollywood. What does Jenny McCarthy think about the wellness community from the early 2000s compared to now? What about the weirdest treatments she's ever done? Was her husband, Donnie Wahlberg, automatically on board with her vaccine activism when they first met? Does she have faith in the Maha movement when it comes to me? medical freedom? What about what Charlie Kirk meant to her and where she stands on her relationship

with Jesus? We really do cover everything in this interview, so I know you are going to consider this one a favorite of the year. Jenny is a wife, mom, actress, judge on the masked singer, and the founder of the Clean Beauty Line Formless Beauty. She's also a bestselling author and outspoken advocate on vaccines, wellness, and parenting. This is a must-watch interview on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify. Please help us end this year strong with a five-star review on Apple or Spotify, just telling us why you love this podcast. If you're new here, this is an openly conservative health and wellness podcast produced by Turning Point USA. We're on a mission to heal us at culture, physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

An apothecary was the original place you'd go to back in the day for natural remedies for healing, and our culture could use that right now, hence the name of the show. We're on Instagram at Culture Apothecary. You can also find me at Real Alex Clark. Please welcome the one and only Jenny McCarthy to culture apothecary. What came first? Was it healing yourself or healing your son? Definitely healing my son. Maybe I'll back that up a little bit by saying I started to look into things by doing cleanses. So I was like, ooh, let me, you know, clean up my body after I had a baby. And it was more so out of vanity, to be honest. I'm like, how am I going to lose the 80 pounds I gained during pregnancy? Literally, it was 220 or something like that, pounds. You can Google it, you guys.

Google, Jenny McCarthy pregnant, and it is one of the funniest photos. I have 17 chins. What? Oh, I was enormous. So then I was, I did Weight Watchers after that to lose some of the weight. Okay, I remember those. Yeah. And then I was like, well, let me just go forward to the next level. That would be a detox. So I did this amazing detox. And I learned a lot from that. Then a few years went on. My son got sick. And he, because of his diagnosis, I just dove in. I dedicated my entire life. I knew it was my purpose when he got sick that, okay, it's not only to heal him, but then it's to teach the world how I did it. That's like a huge mission to recognize quite immediately. Like this is going to be my work here is to let everyone know. Can I tell you how profound it really was? Because the day he was diagnosed with autism, I was in shock because back then, we're talking 2002, you guys, when there wasn't

that much except the movie Rain Man. And we were told back then, oh, your son's going to be institutionalized. So I had to go home that day thinking my son, my perfect son, who was smiling and saying mama and all these things and stop saying all these things all of a sudden was now going to be institutionalized. It didn't make sense. So I went home and gave myself the moment of hysterically crying in a fetal position in bed. I gave myself about an hour and then I got up and I went to the computer and I'm like, I have to just look. I have to see if there's hope. And I googled autism and in the corner of the screen said autism hope for recovery. And I was like, recovery. What kind of snake oil are they talking about? Why are they using the word recover from autism? And when I clicked on it,

it was Generation Rescue, and it was a group of doctors, parents and scientists, small group at this time, who were healing a lot of the comorbid conditions associated with autism that you see with autism, seizures, leakyika, candida, allergies, eczema, like all of these conditions that they were finding if you heal those, the autism was getting better. And then they also talked about it being a vaccine injury, which is why they call it you recover from injury. I use this great analogy, and that's how I look at really autism these days. It's an injury. You don't become cured from autism.

You recover from it just like an injury. If you get hit from a bus, you don't go to someone. Oh, are you cured from being hit by that bus? No, you'd say, did you recover from your injury? So that's how when people like she said she cured her son, never once have I said cured. I've always said recover. They can recover lost skills. They can recover a lot of their health issues that were, you know, blown up by their immune system. Like the eczema or what have you. Like the eczema, like the comorbid

conditions. And so that's really what took me on my path. And then when in that moment, I want to back up because when I was reading that, I was hit by the most godly energy in, I still remember, remember the moment in my chair when I was reading this and the vaccine and the putting, it was like a putting all the connections together that it was my purpose. When people talk about God, that they hear God, they feel God. This was so powerful that every hair in my body stood up. I had the chills. I started bawling.

I was like, okay, this is my mission. Wow. This is my mission. But first I said, listen, God. and I had this conversation, I go, I hear you. But I need to first heal my son. I need to heal my son. And then I promise you, I will teach the world how I did it.

But lead me there. And, you know, I really put my son, bless his little heart, through so many things that people weren't, you know, talking about or doing. Nothing was too far-fetched. I wasn't like hooking up with tubes and crazy stuff. But it was like even changing the diet was considered a shocking therapy back then. When I was on Oprah and I was like, I removed gluten and dairy and that helped a lot. And there is a connection between gut and brain.

I can't tell you the amount of hate I got from the medical community. What were they saying about that? They were saying, you know, listen to this wacko, Jenny McCarthy talking about how diet can help change your child's autism diagnosis. When a child doesn't feel good, they're going to act bad. Yep. But when they feel good, and there's a gut-brain connection. Basically, you know, dairy is what we've learned now. It creates a dopamine effect.

It makes the child stoned, especially in our community. You take away that stoned-like feeling. They're more focused in their therapies. So they're finding their child more focused so they can learn. Now I see it on the cover of New York Times. And I'm like, oh, really? Do you remember, you guys beat me up for those things? I look at it, you know, very lightly.

Now I'm not one of those people and go, hey, where's my props? Not at all. I have gratitude that people are waking up. I feel like this community has grown now because of the pandemic. If there's anything that came out of that pandemic, it really was that people stopped trusting everything they hear and question, huh, maybe I should look into it more. deeply. And that's all I ever wanted. Yeah. You know, research for yourself. So you spent decades trying to help your son recover. Yes. And then you were like, okay, I think we're in a good spot. It's finally time for me. Like now I need to really dive deep under the hood for myself.

Yes. What were the first tests that you did? Because I think that's really helpful for people who are in the beginning stages of their health journey. Yes. Okay, this is great because I'm my makeup artist who's also here. She's young. She's in her 30s. And I was like, listen, you need to start now. You need to start right. I mean, I would tell people starting them in the 20s. What you want to do is a few different tests. I mean, the MTHFR gene mutation is just one I would start with. MTFR gene mutation is like some say 40 percent, some say 60 percent of the country has this gene mutation and doesn't know it. Why is this important? First of all, if you are thinking about having kids, I promise you, you want to know if you had this mutation because you pass it.

Mother passes it to sun. Oh, wow. So you need to know. And what does it mean? What does it mean to have this mutation in layman's terms? It means your body can't methylate. What does methylate mean? Methylate means to detox your body.

Why is that important? Because if we don't detox these chemicals that we're putting on our faces, in our bodies, breathing in, then we bind them to our organs and hold on to them. And what happens then we get cancer, we pass it down to our baby. And how do we detox things? Well, by having a normal methylation system, you can. You sweat it out, you poop it out, pee it out, there's tons of different ways. But when you have this mutation, it goes to your organs and stays there.

Are they finding that a lot of children diagnosed with autism also have the MTHFR gene? this they are. Wow. So now this is where that whole Tylenol thing came in too. So what's similar to this whole Tylenol talk in autism is that Tylenol messes with glutathione. Glutothion is your body's natural antioxidant that takes all those chemicals I just talked about and helps you excrete them. It's a wonderful thing. It's the most important thing we have in our bodies to keep us alive. It takes all the garbage. It's like, okay, we're going to take all that garbage out. Now, if you of an MTFRG mutation, we don't have the high glutathione. My glutothion levels are in the tank. You test me, they're like, where's your glutathione levels? I don't have any. So is it any

surprise that I'm so filled with toxins? Now, I never gave Evan Tylenol. I never took Tylenol when I was pregnant. But what I did have matched what Tylenol did, low glutathione and Tylenol lowers your glutathione. So do you think pregnant women with the MTHFR gene, like is it okay to get gluten Glutothion injections while pregnant? That I can't answer because I'm not a doctor. Okay. But I get glutathione injections now. Yeah, I go once a week, sometimes twice a week to get them.

There's also ones you can put in your muscle yourself, but I don't really like to shoot myself. So I go and just get the IVs twice week because me and Evan are so bottom of the basement. But I would start with MTHFR gene mutation test because it's just, it sets you on a pathway of knowing then also that you need certain B vitamins. Methylated B vitamins. If you are have MTHFR, you guys, and are taking non-methylated B vitamins, you are causing possible anxiety in your system. Wow. It's causing havoc in your system. There's a huge stress. People that have severe anxiety disorders, wind up taking methylated B vitamins and go, oh my God, I don't have anxiety. I don't have stress anymore. Those are people with the MTHR and didn't know it. So just test yourself. Start.

there. And then I would also go to a functional medicine doctor. Those are the ones that look under the hood and really go, not only do you have fatty liver, but we're going to figure out why you have fatty liver and we're going to figure out how to heal that fatty liver, you know. So I'm using that example, but there's many other things. And what happens if you have the MTHFR gene and you enter paramedopause and you have not dealt with this? Oh, girl. Oh. Not just the MTHRGFR. of our G mutation. If you have a toxic overload, if you are deficient in certain minerals and supplements, you are going to feel it. You are going to go through World War III in your own body. That's why I try to tell so many women before you even start, and I wrote a menopause book

that comes out next year, late next year, because teaching women what I did. And a lot of doctors in the book, people always go, she's not an actor. You're right. Talk to your doctor on every single thing I say. But through my experience, I wish I would have started a little sooner. Like what age? I wish I would have started preparing for paramedopause by 35. Okay. Because I'm going to be 33 in February. Okay. So 35, I would get going. 38 is when you start to have a hormone shift in your body. And then 40 is when you do start having real one. You'll start noticing it maybe even your blood work. Blood work is not always telling the truth, though, doctors, functional medicine, doctors, hormone doctors rely sometimes on symptoms when you're paramedopausal because you don't see it in your blood work. You'll be like, but my blood

works normal. You're like, yeah, but guess what? I'm dripping in sweat at night. I'm stripping inside of malls because I'm sweating or I'm having mood swings or I have insomnia. Like insomnia alone can drive you mad. So by supplementing things that you're deficient in makes all the difference in the world, you guys, going into, like, the DHEA hormone, DHEA hormone. I'm dyslexic, so I had to make sure I said that right. But, you know, paramenopause, you can't start hormone, H-R-T. Did you do that? I wish I would have done in paramedopause. I started it in directly menopause. But that's what I thought. I thought, like Dr. Marty McCarrie, FDA director, talks about, he's really big on HRT. And I thought that he said that, like, at the first sign of menopause starting,

which would be in your 50s, that's when you take it. But you're saying parmenopause. Paramedopause. I would if you're symptomatic. Oh, okay. But now, again, listen to your doctor. Yeah, yeah. Because some reports and some research I've said is, you want to even start it before that to have the most benefit. But again, only if you're symptomatic. If you are suffering and your blood work is screaming for it, if you're like in the dumpster with progesterone, progesterone helps you get sleepy at night. I'm sorry, there's a lot of gynos out there that are due to the prescribing. Not all. Don't come at me gynos. And remember, I just wrote a book on it, so I've interviewed thousands of people. A lot of the gynecologists didn't study HRT like they're teaching now because there was a black box warning. Yep.

So when I was in perimenopause, my gyno said to me, would you like Prozac? Oh. That's what we were offered back in my old 1800s, as my son liked to say, I was born in the 1800s. By the way, some doctors are still doing that because you're like, I'm going mad. I'm having emotional outbursts and like, you want some Prozac. no. So definitely as soon as you hit menopause, I beg you, unless you have other diagnosis, if you've been diagnosed with cancer or something, no matter what, it's got to go through a doctor. Don't just order online because there's people to be like, oh, I'm just going to order, you know,

through the shark guy. What's his name? Mark Cuban has a cell hormones cheaper. So it's a great place once you start to find affordable hormones, but you have to have to go under a doctor's guidance. But let me tell you guys something. My generation is going to save your generation so much headache and hell. Why? Because paramenopause and menopause, I had no idea it was going to be so life-changing and so difficult.

You literally feel like someone came in and kidnapped your soul, your personality changes. I believe, and I wrote this in my book, that Karens would become extinct if they just had HRT. They really would. Hormone replacement therapy. It makes your brain on fire cool.

Makes your body is on fire cool. We just had Dr. Mindy Pells on the show. Are you familiar with her? And we did a menopause episode. That was the first one that I've done. And she talked about that how you've got to set yourself up for menopause success in your 30s. It's key.

And I've never heard that before. Yes. I'm glad that you're saying that. This might be your next, like, step in your journey of teaching people. Oh, yeah. When the menopause book comes out, I'm going to be going on a whole tour about that. But I interview fabulous doctors in it. I've learned so much.

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least amount of prescriptions possible. So I just trusted that there's going to be a way that I can figure this out and it's looking, so far it's looking good. What are some of the weirdest wellness things that you've tried? Well, besides living inside of an Indian sweat lodge with Cherokee Indians for 10 years, literally, every Monday, um, you know what? I don't know if I'd call them too weird now. I think I was just on the forefront of them way back when. Like colonics? Oh my God. I was doing colonic. I have a colonic home colonic. What? Yeah, system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess that would be considered weird. So still like a fan of that. Oh, yeah. Like I travel with it. I'm going to be, I can't believe I said that aloud because I'm going to hear in the comments. But I, I have the

worst digestion. It's now gotten a lot better. But like every time I eat, I would swell up like I was pregnant. I literally looked like I was nine months pregnant. You don't think that's a food allergy? Oh, yeah. It was a food allergy. But it was also Cbo. Oh. I also have Candida. I I also have leaky gut. I also have celiac disease. So for years and years and years and years, I was trying every single freaking thing. And it wasn't until my functional medicine doctor's like, listen,

you know you eat organic. I know you eat healthy. Just go carnivore. And I was like, I just can't eat all that beef. It seems like so much. For women, it's a lot. It's a lot of meat. So I was desperate, though,

because I was like, I can't keep sticking stuff up my butt. And my butt is getting tired with the colonics. So I was like, all right. So I did the carnivore diet. And I got to tell you, it changed my life. How long did you commit? Six months. Whoa.

Exclusive. Oh, yeah. My makeup artist is right there. Look at her. She's nodding right there. You didn't fall off? I didn't fall off. But because I'm post-menopausal old lady, I actually had an avocado with it.

So we need fiber. So I had, I got ancestry beef. which was beef liver, kidney, which sounds totally gross, but it was actually really good. Are you talking about like a mix? So it's like brown beef? Yeah, I made patties with it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would have those. I'd have like five. So I would basically have 100 grams of protein and 100 grams of fat a day. And I wasn't hungry because you get in ketosis. My stomach went down. It literally, I mean,

when's the last time I've been bloated? I'm like, I've been bloated since I stopped. It's almost been kind of miraculous, but you can't stay on it forever. The carnivore is not meant for your body to stay on it forever. It's like a reset. It's a reset. And I was scared to go off of it.

I was like, oh, no, I'm scared because I was so happy with how I felt my energy level, my brain fog, just so much more clear to you. That's another thing with hormone replacement. I literally thought I was going through dementia, you guys. I'm like, I'm the youngest person to have dementia. I know it. When I was doing my serious X-M radio show for seven years, I was having trouble completing sentences. I was like,

I could not speak and I realized all I needed was HRT. But to go back on the carnivore diet, six months changed my life. Again, it's not for everybody. I had vegans come after me when I told them. I tried to, I did the carnivore diet. Again, I would love to be vegan. Maybe someday I will be a vegan. No, don't say that.

Maybe someday. Okay, can I give you a hot take? Okay, this is interesting. Are you familiar with moms across America's on Honeycutt? Of course, of course, of course. Okay, so she just tragically lost her son to suicide. Did you see that? Yes.

Okay. So she put out an email to some people and she was like, guys, I found the most fascinating thing with my son. So, you know, because of people's generosity and offering to pay funeral expenses and things, we had some leftover money, I was able to test him and do all these different tests. And we found out he was vegan and he was so low in certain minerals, B vitamins. She was like, there's no doubt in my mind. this is what was fueling his anxiety, his depression. And she said he also had MTHFR. And she was like, this is another thing.

Like no vegan should be MTHR. I don't think anyone should be vegan. That's true. It shouldn't. In another life, I would like to be only because this is the part I have, listen, I'm from Chicago. I'm a meaty. I like meat. So I probably will, I did try being a vegan for six months and I almost died. That's what I'm saying.

I almost died. The reason why I say that is because I feel bad killing anything. Like, it's hard for me to kill a bug. Like, so I do. I feel really bad because then I see a cute little cow on the road. I'm like, oh, my God. So it's my heart that has a hard time with it. But my body, I know needs it.

It's just like I need it. So what is your current wellness routine like now? I mean, and that could be fitness, diet. Do I have, oh, I left it in the car. I was about to pull out what I carry with me, which is a giant Ziploc bag this big. of all of my vitamins. So basically, in a normal Jenny life, when I'm not crazy, I'll wake up, I'll go on the treadmill for like 30 minutes, I'll do some weight lifting, then I'll go in my infrared sauna,

then I'll go on my hyperbaric chamber, then I'll go on my vibration board while I stand in front of my red light. Tell us about vibration boards. Do they work? What do they do? I don't know. See, I admit it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Other than sometimes I ask myself and I'll just, does it resonate as correct? And I feel like it does resonate. I feel like also though the trampoline has done just as well for me. So I'll do some trampoline stuff to get my lymph nodes move in because I can tell one gets clogged when I don't do it. So trampoline or da-da-da-da-da-da-board, either one.

How do you know your lymph node is clogged? Pain swollen. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, mine also was related to the non. surgeries I had this year for this bone infection I had in my jaw. Oh my gosh, I just did an episode with a holistic dentist on that too this year this summer.

That's no joke. That's crazy. That could be causing all kinds of problems for you. Girl, a whole body. If I can give your generation another tip too. If you have a root canal, I'm going to be hated by intentes right now. If they want to give you root canal, don't. Just pull the tooth.

Root canals, I thought, last the rest of your life. Guess what? They don't. So was there crazy black abscess, like nuts-so stuff going on under there? All of a sudden, I was like, oh, in pain. I was like, what's happening? The next morning, I was in the hospital by that night because it was a Sunday. I was in so much pain, I had to go to the hospital and ask for morphine or I was going to jump off of a cliff.

And I can handle pain. So even my husband was like, wow, you must really be in pain. Go to the doctor. They're like, well, do you want to save your root canal or just clean the infection and save your tooth or pull it? And I was like, I read that you're supposed to keep as many teeth as you possibly can. Let's just clean it out. So they clean it out. I go to work a week later. My face blows up the infection. I wind up pulling it out because the dentist was like the new dentist in LA was like, it's so infected. Were you seeing a biomimetic or holistic dentist? At this time, no. So he pulled it out. Then he closed it up bone grafting it. I had no idea that he didn't clean it out thoroughly. Oh, God. So now I'm on my merrily way as I'm waiting your fur to heal because you've got to wait three months to get an implant. I go to a biomedical dentist, okay, to do all this because I get the CTs.

cat scan and everything. Turns out, it wasn't cleaned out all the way. So the infection grew into my bone. Dude. This is so serious. A bone infection, which what happens when it gets in the bone? Your bone starts to disintegrate. Your teeth were falling out.

My teeth were falling out. When we put the implant in, they popped out another infection. I had root cavitations. I had nine surgeries. I had a cyst kind of growing on the outside. They're called chisalions growing. that I had surgeries on my, because my whole face was becoming infected.

It was, I literally, if you look at my social media this year, you're like, why is Jenny wearing sunglasses all year? Because I had eight surgeries on my eyes, nine surgeries on my mouth. Oh my gosh. So don't keep, don't get a rocan out. Just put your, pull your tooth.

Did your dentist, the holistic dentist, tell you what Meridian was connected to where your problem was? Yeah, and I totally forgot what that was. I think it was, well, I know this, why this lymph was connected. And you know, a lot of people that say they have breast cancer, they say go find out if you have a mouth infection because they usually do have an infection. So this is going to be the next wave, you guys, of people realizing how much the meridians are

connected to your mouth. So this could lead to why my gut was so, the gut, that's what it was. The gut was connected to it. So I- It's fascinating. I'm obsessed with the teeth stuff. I'm so glad that you're hype about that because I think it's so important. Everything. It's like that I know people are going, God, it's another thing I have to look for. Yeah. But it's going to be one of the most important things I think you guys can do is, and don't use fluoride, okay, and try to get to a biomedical dentist. How has your wellness routine changed from when you first got married? I didn't have one. I mean, I'm from Chicago, so it was like deep dish pizza, cigarettes, booze. Oh, I was. Genzi, um, Hollywood is bringing

back cigarettes. What? Yeah, Olivia Jade, all these people, they're smoking. cigarettes. Yeah. No. Oh, that makes me so sad. I know. No, no, no, no. That's terrible. But yeah, I was a smoker. I was a drink. Obviously, I don't drink anymore. I don't smoke. I, um, as clean as I can possible. I've turned into a, there's a name for this medical condition. I think it's toxophobia. But I'm paranoid about everything. And you've been married for 11 years, right? Yeah. So when you first met Donnie, you guys are going on dates or whatever, did he take convincing when it came to your vaccine activism or was he already on board? He was definitely more in my camp than not. He was just not educated about it like me, you know? So he would just come to me with questions. And then as our relationship went on and he saw me working on things and doing my own research and talking about it, it was like, oh, he was he was, he was, it was.

more lights were being turned on. But he was always, if he had to choose aside, for say, he would lean towards, you know, my position anyways. If you would ask Donnie right now, Donny was in the camp of it should be up to the parents and do your own research. Medical freedom. Yeah.

You wouldn't have done that, but that's what it is. That's where he was. How is your son doing with his diagnosis now? Amazing. I just did a red carpet event with him this week, yesterday, two days ago. I don't know what date is today. But we were in the car.

car on the way there is 23 now. He has his own YouTube channel. He's a content creator. This is his life. Gaming underscore USA if you want to see how Evan has progressed. But he was like, can we just do the red carpet separately? Because I don't want to be in your shadow. And I don't mean that to hurt your feelings. But, you know, there's something inside of me that just wants to be known as Evan Ashar and not as Jenny McCarthy's son. And I'm like, oh my God, I love you, Evan. And I'm sorry. And he's just like, when I Google myself and I see that everything says Evan Asher, Jenny McCarty's son, I'm like, but I'm me. I'm my own person. And it's so sad and sweet because he wants his own autonomy. And it's like, will he ever get it? I hope so. I hope so. I said, you know what? You make that YouTube page so big, Evan. You become the biggest YouTube content creator out there that no one's going to say. They're going to go Jenny McCarthy, who? So he's 23 now. So I mean, if he wants to have his own wellness routine, he's on his own to do that. So is he good about that? What does it look like? The poor kid is so brainwashed. It's in the best way possible.

But when his friends come over, he'll be like, you can't eat that. You drink soda? I'm like, Evan, you can't shame people for their choices, okay? I've taught him to not go hard on everyone around him, including girlfriends. He might date. He'd be like, oh my God, she eats gluten.

You know what I mean? Would he ever go on that show Love on the spectrum? You know, probably not. Yeah. No, he doesn't want that part of his life showcased. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, he's got it, he's got actually a very personal side to him, the private stuff.

But his gaming and his, you know, content he wants to be as big as ever. That's what he wants public. But, you know, he wakes up every morning and takes his, takes his own little vitamins. He takes, like, probably 15 to 20 a day. He does yoga. He's, you know, he knows, you know, when he goes the dentist, it's fluoride-free, right? Like, he'll- Okay, he's a wellness king.

All of my young audience is like, well? If you are a kind 23-year-old and like he's the sweetest kid ever and he's doing amazing, but I want him to find him the nicest girlfriend ever. You guys, slide into his DMs if you know any sweet 23-year-old girls, will you? How did you link that it was the vaccines to your son's autism? Okay, so two, three days before his MMR appointment, I was in the grocery store on the cover of Time magazine while I was checking out. It was a little blip in the corner.

It says, mothers are concerned that the MMR is causing their child's autism. And I felt like someone punched me in the stomach. This is where you call Mother's Instinct being a very real thing. And I was like, oh my God. Oh, my God. I just got a hit. Like, I know these hits. And when I feel these hits, I'm usually right.

So I went home, talked to my husband at the time. And I was like, listen, this point was in two days. I don't feel good about it. I don't want to do it. Like Evans, I just, I have such a strong feeling about it. He's like, let's just talk to the doctor. Let's talk to the doctor. So we go to the appointment and I was already a deer in headlights.

I was like, listen, I just read in Time magazine that all these moms are concerned. They're pointing the finger saying something happened drastically after the shot. And by this point, Evan has been on target for all of his shots. Evan's milestones were all there. But Evan was suffering from other things I didn't know were warning signs. Like what? Exema, double ear infections, jaundice after the hep B shot in the hospital, like little things that might disregulate one's immune system, priming it for full-blown immune system dysregulation when that MMR happens. So I said to the doctor, I'm terrified.

Can we just not do it? Can we wait? Can we separate the MMR? I'd be all right if we can separate it, but I just, I'm terrified and I have a mom's instincts. And he goes, don't be one of those quack mothers that are believing all that. It's not true, Jenny. You got to trust the doctors. And I said, I don't feel comfortable.

Now, when you get the MMR, you have to sign a waiver specifically for that shot. And I said, I'm not signing it. And my ex-husband at the time, and I don't blame him. And since then, he's apologized to me. So I don't anyone give me hate because I love him. We get along great, everybody. But he was like, I'm going to sign the shot. I'm going to sign this.

you step out of the room. And I was like crying, stepped out of the room, said a prayer, and was just like, please just let me be wrong. And it wasn't long after that that he had his first seizure. What were you feeling in that moment when you saw him having a seizure? Well, I thought he was dying. I thought he was dying. When you don't know what a seizure looks like, It's like there's limited breathing. The eyes are rolling in the back of the head and convulsing. And I found him in his crib. Something in me that morning while drinking coffee was like,

boy, Evan is kind of sleeping in a little bit. Only by 10 minutes. And then I stood up from the table and then I started running down the hallway. Open up the door and he was convulsing. He picked him up, screaming, running in the living room, laid him on the ground, calling 911, screaming at them to hurry up. brought him to the hospital and they said, oh, it's just a federal seizure. This is typical. And I was like, what's a federal seizure? Like, he must have been starting to get a fever.

And sometimes this happens with kids still didn't correlate it. Just was like, okay, it's a federal seizure. You must have been getting a fever. But he never did get a fever. And all right, and they sent us home. Then a week, it's very muddy timeline. So forgive me. And that was how long the seizure happens, how long after the MMR? Everything's so foggy. You'd have to go back and look at my books for documentation. Okay. I'm going to say anywhere between a week, two weeks, something. Something like that.

Okay. The next one was not falling along to that. He went into cardiac arrest from his seizure. So he did die. He literally, his heart stopped in front of me in Palm Springs. And he went blue, dropped to my knees, ambulance came, resuscitated him in front of me, got him in the ambulance. While on the way to the hospital, he wanted a cardiac arrest again from a seizure, which happens, is how people pass away from seizures,

revived him again on the way and went to, they wanted to airlift him to Cedar or Sinai, and then once the neurologist came, they're like, oh, he's got epilepsy. I'm like, I'm sorry. Like, who is epilepsy in your family? No one has epilepsy in my family.

So still didn't put a correlation with the autism diagnosis yet. Okay? So I just had MMR, I'm thinking MMR, I'm thinking MMR autism. I'm not thinking MMR necessarily seizures because I wasn't that school that could be a trigger.

But if you open up the packet inside the MMR piece of thing with the shot it says may cause seizures. By the way, it also says may cause autism if you look. It does say it. Wow. So, he wanted a cardiac arrest.

We got him back. He was in ICU for a while. He did suffer another one where we had to put him in a coma, a phenobarbital coma for a week in an ICU. His seizures were severe. were severe. Then after that, we had to bring him to a neurologist to just look at his brain scans and everything and they were looking at his behavior and they're like, oh, he has autism. And then I was like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? Now, mind you, during those seizure times, he did lose speech. So after that shot, he lost speech. He lost mama. He lost babbling. He lost those

things, the sparkle in his eye that a lot of moms talk about. Gone. It was like. Like the lights were shut off. He lights were shut off, but I was kind of correlating it to the seizures. I'm like, well, his brain was rattled. You know, his brain was rattled. His brain was rattled. But he never recovered those mamas and those babblings until much later. And I was doing therapies. But that's when they gave me that autism diagnosis. And I went home and then I put everything together and was just like, did you call that doctor? I called the doctor. Of course, he didn't pick up the phone. Because why did he not? Was this because you're famous?

Was this like being covered in the news? Like what was happening? Not yet because I was quiet. Okay. Okay. Because I was going to say did he not because he already knew it was happening because of press? He didn't, he didn't know. He just knew it was happening because I was calling.

Okay. So I went and visited the office as well. I think they stopped. Did you like burn the place down or like what was it like? I wanted to burn the place down. I mean, but did you go in their guns ablaze in like lit them up? Oh yeah. Yeah.

I went guns of blazing. Yeah. I went guns of it. I can't choose the swear words I was using. but I used a less of reverse. So, but that's what then led me on my path to just going, all right, I'm going to dive in. I'm going to start with the simple treatments of diet and supplements. So do you think that vaccines are the singular cause of autism?

No. Or do you believe it's a combination of things? I absolutely think it's a combination of things. Is there a thing as like hereditary genetic? Sure. I also think there's genetic vulnerabilities where you can trigger it. Like MTHFR. Like MTHFR.

But I would honestly re-diagnose, I'd like to separate autism from vaccine injury. I feel like at this point, we could almost because it's a real thing. I mean, autism, true autism, you can't really recover from it. But you can recover from a vaccine injury and we're seeing it. We're witnessing it.

Another thing I was made fun for for saying that. And then I saw it in the New York Times, again, a headline. Wow, children with autism can recover and possibly lose their diagnosis. So what people say that think, you know, us having this conversation, everything on this show is nuts. They'll say, well, we're just better at testing it. We're better. The reason we're seeing this increase in autism diagnosis in kids is because we're getting better at testing. What's your response?

That's the most frustrating thing. When I hear that, I have to like breathe and calm down and not be tempted to be like, This is the thing to the younger generation. It's like, you guys, if you look at just old people, okay, let's look at just old people senior citizens. Do you see senior citizens flapping their hands, spinning in circles? You would see senior citizens' homes being filled with tons of autistic seniors. We're seeing dementia, which is a completely different thing. If you ask your grandparents, did you go to school?

with autistic kids. They might say they had a Bill Gates type autism. But I'm sorry. The autism that we are seeing, the kids that can't speak, that are head banging, that are eating their feces, that are spreading feces on the wall all day long.

This is the autism that I see through families. It's like, I'm sorry. No, no, no, that's not just better diagnosis. Yeah. There is an absolute shift in the paradigm of our health. Something happened. What happened? Do you guys know, like, do the schooling. Back in 1983, we had seven shots. Now it's over 70.

In some states, required 90 plus to go to public school? It's insanity. So I'm guessing you, you live in L.A. or where do you live? I live in Chicago now. Oh, okay. Because I was going to say in California, I mean, would you have had to have homeschooled? I did homeschool him. Okay. Immediately, I was like, he will never see a school in California because I just watched my son die. I just want so my son die. Now, when I started to then dig into Evan's body, he was filled with heavy metals. And, you know, there's tons of aluminum in shots. There was still mercury in it, you know, in some of them. In the flu shot, we just took out the mercury. We just took out the mercury. Yeah. So aluminum just as bad damage. So people don't realize that, you know, that they're still in there and they're still causing damage and

never did the proper safety testing. So they just reversed it. I think. you saw on the CDC, where I've gone on so many talk shows and they go, the CDC says there's no correlation between vaccines and autism. Now they had to eat their own words. So now what did the CDC said? Now the CDC say, okay, we never did the research to prove that. They said, we can't not prove that vaccines don't cause autism. Correct. But they were telling me and everybody else, we have the science to prove it. Guess what? They don't. And when we say that proper studies have never been done on the childhood vaccines, the placebo studies to break that down is,

you guys, if you're going to test it for product works, let's say cigarettes, do cigarettes cause cancer? You take a group of smokers against a group of non-smokers. Then you go, which one has lung cancer by the end of their life? Oh, wow, the smokers haven't increased by this much. With the childhood vaccines, you know what they did? They tested the aluminum, let's say, vaccines against aluminum vaccines. Right.

They did not do a saline group because it was not ethical. To have unvaxed children. To have unbexed children. So we never got a true study. If you're Christmas shopping for a pregnant mom or a new mom in your life, I'm about to give you the most practical, life-saving gift that you can possibly put under the tree. Because every mom is going to tell you when you have a baby

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that write me, send me posts that say, look at this chapter. Now, I know it's there because I get thousands of them from medical school. There's now a chapter in med school books that say, how to deal with Jenny McCarthy type parents. What? Yeah. Yes. You're mentioned by name? I mentioned by name.

Some people will call me from class. You should frame that in your house. I should. I should. They'll call me from class and sometimes they'll argue. The younger generation right now who have siblings with autism are now fighting back

their professors in school, which is great. But it's how to deal with parents who question them. You know what I would do, Jenny? This is just an idea. Yeah. But if that were me, I would be calling med schools

and I'd say, hey, if you're a curriculum, has this page in it, you know, how to talk to Jenny McCarthy type parents. How about I come in and you can talk to Jenny McCarthy yourself? Let's have the conversation so you can learn how to talk to me and, you know, and then you question them and challenge them in person. They need that so badly. That's crazy.

But they won't because Bobby Kennedy has tried to go against the biggest people in the medical industry that fight what we're saying and they won't debate him because he's right. Now, to go back to your question, they mean well. They mean well, but they've just been educated through the lens. of Big Pharma. If pharma did not pay for their medical school journals to be written, and they didn't, unfortunately, they get a kickback. Now, some pediatricians will say, that is not true. There is, maybe some don't, but you should maybe look into it, you guys, look into how much your pediatrician gets a kickback if 100% of your patients are vaccinated. That goes between

60,000 to a million for some doctors at the end of the year if they have 100%. That's why if you question it, they might kick you out of their office because it screws up their percentage of their kickback. I was literally doing a podcast swap with another influencer and a mom. And in the middle of us recording, she got a message from her pediatrician kicking her out. Yeah. I get so many calls going, help me find a pediatrician that will accept me. What do you say when people say, well, you're not a doctor whenever you talk about this stuff. I say you're absolutely right. I'm not a doctor.

And neither is Bill Gates. So why is Bill Gates during the whole pandemic on every single freaking talk show talking about getting the COVID vaccine? You should get the COVID vaccine. But everyone was like, you're right, Bill Gates. But then when Jenny McCarthy talks about doing your own research, I'm not a doctor. And by the way, I did go to nursing school for two years.

There you go. I was almost there. I almost, when Kim Kardashian went to law school, I was like, maybe I'll just go back and get my two years. So people can, you know, shut up, eat their words, but I don't care. You know, it is true that there are certain kids with autism that have superpowers and really special extraordinary capabilities. However, some of the discourse among legacy media is that RFK Jr. is trying to eradicate autism. And because you have these kids that have these like superhuman abilities that have autism, this would be a bad thing.

So as a mother of an autistic child, is it bad to want a future without cases of autism? so glad you asked me that question and you asked me a question so beautifully more than any person has asked me. I just want to give you credit for that. What Bobby, and I hate to call on Bobby, but you guys, I have been marching with Bobby since Evan was two years old. So he is Bobby in my life. But Robert Kennedy, Jr., he is referring to severe cases of autism. There are cases of autism where these kids are perfect. They're beautiful. You don't need to change them. They're, and that's true. Would I change anything about my son right now? Absolutely not. We're talking about the 20 to 30 percent that will never speak, that are still wearing a diaper at age 30, that they'll never leave their home. They'll never say, I love you to mom or dad. These are the specific cases that we're talking about. There is beauty in autism. I always say they're the little guardian angels on the planet elevating us, taking us to an accelerated ascension place. They really are, I think, angels. And they have. have such beautiful gifts.

But when you are a parent and the parents that have been silenced and shamed for wanting change is so heartbreaking. They're going through so much hell because they've had to quit their jobs, move back in with their parents, because they have to pay for full-time care, or insurance does not cover autism. They've had to sell their home. Their kids, like I said, are doing the most awful and got, like the screaming tantrums. You guys, imagine your child screaming 24 hours a day, hitting themselves.

Eating dirt, eating feces, you can't go out. You can't have anyone babysit. You have no reprieve. You have no one to be able to come and help you. You are around that all the time. And then you have a whole community of people saying, why are you trying to get rid of autism? We're not talking about the beautiful, perfect ones.

We're talking about the ones that are in living health. Yeah, like they're in a prison. The children that are suffering, the young adults that need help. Yeah. Now, the non-speakers that we call them, the ones are learning to talk through machines are saying we need help. Wow. Our bodies are on fire.

We're in pain. Like, you know, they have massive headaches. How do we know they're head banging? They're trying to put pain somewhere else than besides the pain inside their brain. So when we speak, we are speaking of this community that is so desperate for help, so desperate for more research. That's what we want to help. We want to make them feel better so they can. can share their special gifts.

Okay, so speaking of like really unorthodox help or treatment. Yeah. There's a lot of people in the autism community talking about fecal transplants for autism. Have you explored that at all? Have you looked into it? Do you think it's legit? Girl, I almost did it myself. Yeah?

Because it's supposed to be something about healing the gut microbiome? Yeah. The gut microbiome. I know a lot of parents that did it. A lot of parents said it worked. A lot of parents says they didn't notice a difference. It's kind of like with everything, you just got to do. your research and feel it out, I think there's a very interesting potential in last-ditch

efforts. When you've tried everything, when, you know, the gut is so severe and the child is in so much pain, I would probably have gone there, to be honest with you. But I'm also scared of what's in that fecal matter because even though they test it, that's, That's why you have to go through a company that does rigorous testing. I'm also scared of the donors who might have gotten the COVID shot and has spiked protein in it. So it's like it's a catch-22. I think it's going to be a pivotal part of therapeutic for many people. But with anything, you got to see if it works for you.

They're saying that they might be taking the hep be shot completely off the childhood vaccine schedule. How do you feel about that? Why do you think that was even placed there? I know I think, well, for money, but think about it. If the mother doesn't have hepatitis, we know you don't have hepatitis when you're delivering, okay? Why are you doing it? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. How many babies have gotten jaundice?

How many baby died afterwards? It's just ungodly. I mean, I've been talking about that one forever. Like, please just take it off the schedule. It doesn't make any sense to me. How much confidence do you have in the Maha movement to create meaningful and long-lasting change when it comes to medical freedom. You guys, when we reach critical mass, they can't ever take us back to these dark ages. The more we wake up and take it to that critical mass level,

there's no going back. How many people would line up blindly for shots now after the COVID vaccine? Even the people that were like, I'm getting it. You better get it too. I know that those people are going like, well, maybe next time I'll wait and see a little bit longer. You know, even them will go and be like, oh, wait. So the more we talk about it, the more we're brave to talk about it, you know, because there's a lot of people like myself that used their voices, got beat up for it. But we are relying on you guys now. We're relying on you guys to be the army as well.

Because as soon as that mass conscious awakens, there's no going back. They can't brainwash. They can't force us anymore. Remember, we control them. They don't control us, but we just have to realize our power and activate it. Did anything particularly dark happen to you career-wise when you first started vaccine activism? For sure, yeah. A lot of endorsement jobs.

I didn't get a lot of endorsement jobs I got let go of. But, you know, and it was scary because it was at a time when I needed the money the most. I was a single mother, just divorced. Everyone was just diagnosed. I relied on my books because no one was my book. boss so I couldn't get fired. So my book helped so many people, but also helped me, like God provided. It was probably therapeutic. Very therapeutic. And going on tour, talking with parents face to face was really therapeutic as well and helpful. Did your activism play a role in your departure

from the view? I think it was more saving my own life. I went on that show with the purpose. they were hiring me to be more kind of fun, like old school, Jenny, like, people don't know me on MTV, but I was kind of this like boisterous slapping the guys around, ballsy kind of fun girl, light and fluffy, if you will. And they wanted to bring that to the view. And within a week, Barbara wanted to change that. She did not, she wanted to go back to politics and hardcore fighting. I know how to fight about one thing. Yeah. The view doesn't want to talk about that one thing. So I didn't really have a place for it. So I was grateful. I got to be there for a year of Barbara Walters.

So I felt lucky in that aspect. But she was kind of losing it while you were on that show. She was just showing signs of dementia during that time. And I really bonded with her. And she bonded with me for some reason really well during that time. But it was a good thing and a grateful thing that I lasted a year. How do you advise moms to talk to their pediatrician about vaccines? I would talk about them before you have a baby.

If you're not like-minded, out of the gate, you need to find another pediatrician. There are pediatricians out there that are more open and are willing to talk to the parents. If you feel any piece of shame, run. Find another pediatrician. Everyone that I've talked to would be like, but my pediatric, I can't find one. And they wind up doing one. You just got to do the legwork. You got to talk to everybody you know and you got to make meetings. And you will, I promise, you will find one to be more open to your schedule. When you compare the wellness community of the early 2000s to the wellness community today. What are the most shocking changes?

Everything. Absolutely everything. Because nobody, do you know that just saying gluten and dairy would have had me burned at the steak back in the Witch's Day? I'm not kidding. I was so incredibly like threatened by my life just for gluten. and dairy. And then, you know, even supplementing. Oh, you can get all the supplements you need in food. Now we know that's a joke. You know, I'm talking about pesticides back then. It was an insane conspiracy theory, you know, and now look at people are understanding how bad clasphate is and it's causing cancer and everything has changed. Like, really the good that came out of COVID with all the bad was the awakening. Well, you know better than anyone that the wellness space was predominantly

liberal back in the day. Now, if you say that you are into health and wellness, legacy media will label you as a far right, you know, extremist. So what do you think of that? Isn't that crazy? You know, I don't know why that. Why is that? It's almost like I need a psychiatrist to break that down for me because I've wondered myself,

I'm like, as soon as you say something, look at, for example, you say something, look at, for example, if Trump says, you know, eat more vegetables, people are going to run to McDonald's. I know. Well, they were chugging Tylenol. Right. When Bobby and Trump said, you know, stay away from Tylenol off your pregnant. You saw all these pregnant women on TikTok chugging Tylenolot. I was like, oh my gosh.

I don't know if it's just there's certain people with more open minds or know what a critical think or I'm not sure. It's a psychology question that I would love answered. If you ever have a psychologist, please ask that question because I want to know that. What sentiments do you hear from Hollywood about Maha? Are they secretly very supportive of the Maha movement? Secretly very supportive. Okay, cool. I've been mentoring mothers online who DM me still, but also celebrities that have called me and said,

I don't want to come out. I don't want people to know. I have a child on the spectrum. I don't want people to know my vaccine schedule. Can you help me? And I honor that because they saw what happened to me. Yeah. They don't want to.

Who in their right mind after all? everything that I kind of would be like, you know, I want to be that next person that gets, you know, bullied for so many years. So there's more conservatives than you would know hiding out in Hollywood. Where do you consider yourself to be politically now? Conservative. Yeah. So before you had said independent. Yeah, independent. I mean, I would lean both ways. If Bobby Rand is independent, I would have said the word independent. So what inspired this change for you? Mainly what you've talked about as well, the conservative values. I noticed that like I said, there's more questioning authority, less government control closer to God, just lined up.

It's interesting you bring up closer to God. After Charlie was murdered, you posted yourself listening and singing worship music. Yeah. Ugly cry like Kim Kardashian. So. Why do you get emotional at that? I won't be able to talk at the same time. I'm not embarrassed. to cry. I just... You're her old tissue. I don't even need a tissue. I don't care. It was so sad because the work he was doing

was so good. And it's amazing to me how people really do have two realities. Because there's a certain group of people in the world that were fed only one narrative of

Charlie. And they really, to be fair to them, they didn't see the other side. They were fed one narrative and that's what they believed. But if you know what Charlie was doing, you would know it was such a gift and it was so good to, especially, you know, I understood his journey so much in terms of putting yourself on the line. Yeah. I personally understood what it was like to get threats. I've been threatened my whole career and since I've come out. And I know that courage it takes to

stand in front of people, to tell your truth, to go on shows, to get beat up, to get trolled. So I had respect, such respect for him. And when he was shot, being in this building is really hard to. Sorry, you guys.

I'm only covering because I do have that ugly Kim Kardashian cry. Thank you. I was so broken that I was like I like when he was shot I prayed and prayed and prayed and then I was calling like every doctor I possibly could saying tell me that this wound is something that could be healed and you know I kind of knew it wasn't and it was just it was such a dark day and it's still a dark time I think for so many people but yeah sorry it's okay but but Let's talk about the good because I'm like, stop crying. With every horrible thing, if you find the good, you can help you move forward. Look at the mass awakening.

Look at how many people came closer to God, even including myself. Can you talk about that? Yeah, I mean, just, I've always been raised Catholic, always had this, you know, with Evan. I have a very deep relationship with God. You know, some people have to work really hard to hear them. I'm, I've got a direct line. I mean, Jesus is my homie. Like, I've always been a follower of Christ.

But when he passed, I completely surrendered. I am so devoted. I mean, I started a Bible study immediately. Oh, my gosh. Duomo is a great app, you guys, and love it. Donnie and I have just, I mean, you can follow Donnie's post, too. We just have become devout since Charlie's passing. Are you guys going to church together?

Well, we're not even in the same state right now. We live in different countries because of work. Oh, no. Okay. So, no, we attend different things. But I absolutely feel, obviously that I feel like Charlie knew exactly what he was doing. And I know now that he knew the sacrifice he was making. and watching his memorial and feeling it, couldn't you feel it around the country,

you guys, around the world? Like, I felt it, the mass awakening. Oh, 100%. And the people that didn't and don't, I don't judge them. You know, they're just, they're not there yet. They're not there yet, you know, and I pray for them too. I just want Charlie to know that, and I know he knows this because he's, because he has saw he changed the world. He saved the world. I mean, imagine having that as your legacy. You shifted,

but you brought all those people closer to Christ. Yeah. Like, it's what a, what a gift. It's eerie being here, isn't it? It's also why I'm so incredibly, I mean, I cried for so long, but walking in this building, me and my poor makeup artist, we were just holding each other sobbing in the bathroom. Because it's, you guys, not only because of the pictures and the memorial everywhere, but you can feel, you feel his spirit. You feel Charlie here. You absolutely do. It's like he is here in spirit. There's no doubt. Listen, I have been going down the rabbit hole on what's actually in conventional tampons. And let me tell you, it's wild. There are studies showing trace amounts of heavy metals, arsenic lead, stuff that you shouldn't even find in soil, let alone a product

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Do you feel like after walking through the fire that you walked through with all the vaccine stuff that you're just not afraid to talk about anything now? That's a good question. Because you're talking about faith. You're talking about politics. You just openly said I'm conservative. I mean, people already kind of knew that. They knew those things. I guess not a lot of people ask me.

I feel like I've always been brave and courageous, but maybe a little bit more confident. You know why I feel more confident? I just realize it, because the army has grown. I feel like back up now. I think I use the armor of God because that's all I had for so long because I was by myself.

But now I feel like I have this army behind me and I feel that strength. So I think I feel more courageous for that reason. Your next industry to tackle is beauty. Yeah. Talk about formless beauty and what went into creating this and how you wanted to stand apart from the rest of makeup lines. Sure. So I never dreamt of creating a beauty brand. I just didn't. That wasn't like, oh, I want to do that. That's my dream. I just wanted to buy clean makeup because I have Ashimoto's, Candida, Leaky Gut, Ciliac disease. I can go on and on and on and teach up RG mutation,

which means my body can't detox chemicals. I need clean beauty. But when I went researching for Clean Beauty, I was shocked. I was shocked that all of these companies are allowed to say clean, but they're not. Like, how are they getting away with it? And I realized Big Pharma and Big Makeup are very similar. Really? Oh, yeah. But Big makeup is not regulated.

The FDA, their big regulation back was in 1918. Then they did a little adaption like a few years ago that said, make sure you don't make makeup in your basement. But no one is testing. No one is, they're trusting the manufacturer. I know. I'd really like for the FDA, the new Maha FDA, to tackle the beauty industry. I want to sit down with Bobby and do an interview when my podcast comes out and say, let's get going here.

You should do that. I do. But in the meantime, I said, okay, if I can't find a clean brand, I'm going to make one. So that's what I did. But I was like, how does me, how does little old Jenny McCarthy know what's clean? and what's not. And then I went, uh-huh,

I'm going to go to the Environmental Working Group. Do you know who they are? Of course, yeah. Environmentalworkinggroup.org, if you guys want to check them out, is the pinnacle. It's what the FDA should be doing. They're the pinnacle of scientists

that have done the work and the research to know the bad ingredients. So I met with them and said, hey, I want to create a beauty brand around your restrictions. And they were like, that is fantastic and brave. So cool.

Good luck. And I didn't realize why they were so shocked by because they're like, it's impossible. They handed me a book of over 900 pages, whoa, of unacceptable ingredients and said, good luck. And I was like, uh-oh, 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients. Then there's another whole 700 pages of a restricted ingredients on top of that. So I was like, well, you know what? I'm going to do it. I'm just going to make it happen.

So that's why I've been doing this from the ground up. I am not a celebrity that put their face on it. I sit with my chemist. He's got a bullseye picture of me with darts in it because I beat him up because we have done the work. We've done the work on creating products that not only are clean but also perform. Because let's face it, sometimes you make clean products and they don't perform well. No, and listen, I can attest to this, you guys.

So I was telling Jenny before we started recording, she was so generous to give me like this insane treasure trove of formless beauty, like brushes, everything. So I had my makeup artist the whole, like this whole last week, including today. Like I want you to use these products. I want you to give me like honest review because my audience would love to know, you know, clean makeup brand alternatives. That works. She was like there is no fallout with this eye shadow. It blends.

It is so pigmented. She loved the brushes. Like everything slaps. Oh, thank you. You know, as the kids say, like, it's incredible. The cream blushes, we've been using those all week. We love it. And what people don't realize is for instance, like, well, what do you mean?

Like, give me an example of the bad and the good. good in the makeup. Most mascara, mascara, by the way, is the second biggest offender when it comes to toxicity and makeup. A lot of people don't know that. There's hormone disruptors in it. They use formaldehyde. They use aluminum powder. They use peripin, phthalates. We're one of the very few mascaras that don't have hormone disruptors in there. Then also our lip glosses made with aloe, chamomile, shay butter. Now, environmental working group, when we go back to them and say, hey, look,

we followed everything. You know what they say in order to get their stamp of approval? they go, great, now prove it. Prove, you used all the correct ingredients. Now prove that your aloe doesn't have gloss feed in it. Yeah. So now we go third party test. Cool. To make sure that we don't have that lead that we're talking about or the gloss fate in our aloe, things like that.

So we are so rigorous. That's why I respect my community so much. We've got chemotherapy, pregnant moms, people that don't want a diagnosis, people that are very mindful about chemicals. So we started our skin care line, which is. We're working amazing. And then we're expanding our makeup and we are now in Sprouts. Yes, congratulations. Thank you. Sprauses in Arizona. So we have Sprout stores here. So I'm so stoked to see you in there when I go grocery shop. And it's a perfect family. I can get my raw milk and

your stuff. That's right. Because Sprouts, we have the same customers. Customers that walk into Sprouts care of. There are the people that go like this. And that's who we want. We want to attract people that turn and look at labels. So I'm going to be going on a Sprout store across the country visiting and educating everybody in my little section. So if you go to Sprouts, check out the little Formless Beauty Area and you can, you know, test out the products yourself in person. For somebody that's never tried it, what are like top three products they should try first? Well, it's really hard to keep the mascara in stock.

We were sold out for three months. We brought it back for a day. It's sold out again. So right now, so yeah, Sprouts is where you can find it. Our skin care, if you really want to see a difference in your skin really quickly, our exfoliator is phenomenal. You get that buff skin look but still, but still moisturized. your face and our moisturizer, I would, if there was the last moisturized on earth, I would

wrestle that person to get our moisturizer. If you have skin conditions like me, I get rashes. I'm very sensitive. All of our letters too are like, oh my God, I haven't been able to wear makeup or use skincare and forever. I can use yours. So if you use sensitivities, if you care, try our skincare, try our makeup, you guys just once and you'll be hooked. Tell everybody about your books and your upcoming book. Well, I've got, I think, nine books. But my, next one is on menopause and it's very humorous. It's like my pregnancy book back of the day, which is where it's educational, but with a lot of humor. I make fun of myself. I share a very vulnerable. I show the good, bad and the ugly. I think it's coming out February 2027 right now,

and I'll be doing a massive book for by then. And then I have a podcast slash talk show coming out next September. Oh, congrats. Okay, cool. I ask every guest this at the end of the show. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically, emotionally or spiritually, what would it be? I'd say prayer. Prayer. I mean, there's nothing more powerful than prayer. You are OG Maha. You were doing this before anyone.

You doing what you did allows me to do what I do hosting the show. You have empowered all of the moms in my audience. And we're so brave and fearless and courageous when everything was on the line for you. And so I just want to recognize that. that and thank you. I mean, seriously. Thank you. Everything.

Bobby, Jenny, you know that Bobby being HHS director. Right. If you would not have done what you had done for all of these years, all the blood, sweat and tears, Bobby wouldn't be there. It's true because it takes a culture shift. And you helped ignite that. Well, thank you for saying that. Yeah. I mean, thank you.

And thank you to all those moms out there who are doing the work. Like I said, I'm brave now. I'm be braver now because of you guys, that army. So let's grow. Let's grow our army. Thank you for coming on Culture Apothecary. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you. Jenny was such a delight on and off camera. If you've got a moment to thank her on social media comments or even in her DMs for coming on,

let's give her a warm welcome for coming on the show and dedicating her life to fighting for medical freedom. If you've never listened before, I hope you loved it. Unfortunately, I am losing my voice so I don't always sound like a smoker. That could be a good or bad thing depending on who you are and your taste. I don't know. I release new interviews with expert guests twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, anywhere you get your podcast and the real Alex Clark YouTube channel, please leave a five-star review if this episode captivated you from start to finish. Disclaimer, I am not a medical professional, and this podcast is not meant to provide medical advice.

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