Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - Jillian Michaels On Ozempic For A Head Start & Staying Motivated In Your Fitness Journey

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

She’s anti-Ozempic, pro-Trump, and not afraid to say what’s broken in America’s health system 🩺Jillian Michaels joins me to expose the lies we’re told about food, fitness, and pharma. As well as her pros and cons so far of the MAHA movement. We also get into micro-dosing GLP-1s, and whether 'The Biggest Loser' could exist on TV today.Thank you to our sponsors!TAYLOR DUKES WELLNESS: Use code "ALEXCLARK" for 10% off your purchaseA'DEL NATURAL COSMETICS: Use code "ALEX" for 25% off first time ordersMASA CHIPS: Use code "REALALEXCLARK" for 25% OFFPRIMALLY PURE: Use code “ALEXCLARK” to get 15% OFFACTIVE SKIN REPAIR: Use code 'ALEX' for 20% off your orderOur guest:Jillian MichaelsJillian's Links:InstagramYouTubeXTikTokFacebookFitness App🌿 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Culture Apothecary WEBSITE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👗 Get Alex’s freshest fashion picks and exclusive guest recommendations—delivered straight to your inbox!Sign up for the newsletter HERE:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠WEEKLY NEWSLETTER SIGNUP⁠⁠⁠FOLLOW ALEX:Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Cuteservatives Facebook group to connect with likeminded friends who love America and all things health and wellness!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the CUTEservative Facebook Group!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.#CultureApothecary #JillianMichaels #Ozempic #WeightLoss #AlexClark

You said you would eat a sandwich if Trump made you regret your vote. I believe in what he's doing. He didn't kick the can down the road like everybody else has. He wasn't pressured by globalists. I think that's brave. I think it's courageous. Are you happy with the progress we've made so far in year one? Do you think we're not moving fast enough?

I can't believe we've moved at all. What happens when a lifelong Democrat challenges the left's health narrative? Jillian Michaels shares her secrets today to stay motivated on a fitness journey. explains how she trusts President Trump despite skepticism, debates the benefits of micro-dosing GLP-1s like OZemPEC for those 100 pounds or more overweight people, despite her staunch opposition, and also talks about whether a show like the biggest loser could thrive today.

Jillian Michaels is a world-renowned fitness trainer, nutritionist, and best-selling author, known for NBC's The Biggest Loser. She also hosts the podcast, keeping it real conversations with Jillian Michaels and co-hosts her take on Valuetainment. Julian and I met when we testified together before the U.S. Senate alongside HHS secretary, Bobby Kennedy Jr., confronting America's chronic disease crisis fueled by ultra-processed foods and systemic health failures. Watch this episode on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify.

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Everybody's going to give you a resounding, yes. Okay, what is your life right now? You are a staunch former Democrat. And now you have a son who's bringing you to Charlie Kirk conferences. Well, I'd been fair to as I brought him,

but I think he may have discovered Charlie first, actually. Your son got red pilled by Charlie Kirk on Instagram. 100%. And so when you're going through this, crisis of, oh my gosh, I've been a lifelong Democrat. Now, I'm starting to have, you know, issues with the left and the way that things are going. What was that like for you? I fought for it for a real long time. And it, I hate to say this, but it reminds me of a kid who has an alcoholic parent. Not that I did, but I have friends who did. And they fight for their

parents' soul. It's like, I can change you. I can get you to see. You could be the mommy I want. And you keep thinking if you gently push, if you explain, if you seek to understand, if you try to negotiate that there will be change. And the reality is the left gets more radical. But the thing is, you need to do that because people like myself and Tulsi and RFK and Elon for whether or not he's popular on the right anymore or not end up also disenfranchised and being. open to new ideas. Your interview with Anna Kasparian from The Young Turks, I think, is one of the best podcast interviews, maybe of the last five years. It was incredible. And I sent that to everybody. I said, this is amazing just podcasting. But listening to her story about how she was fed up with the left. And I mean, that was the last person I thought I'd hear that from.

Well, you know what happened to her? She was attacked by a homeless guy. It's actually not, luckily, it didn't go too far, but sexually assaulted. Like they came up behind her, grabbed her, dry humped her. I'm sorry, this is gross, but this is what happened. And she was horrified and talked about her experience. And then the left demonized her and crucified her for demonizing homeless people. And then they called her racist. And the homeless guy wasn't even of color.

She's like, okay, you guys have lost it. And I think that's part of what happens to people on the left is that you speak your truth, common sense stuff and they purge. They purge you. They call moderates heretics. They brand centrists as bigots all the while claiming to want to expand their tent. But I guess it's like straight into socialism seems to be the area they're going these days. But that's actually what happened to Anna. That's what turned her around. That was her light bulb moment. Do you feel politically homeless? Do you feel like, I mean, there's a chance on my vote for, you know, someone on the left again? Or do you feel like, no, I'm like, I'm a conservative now.

To be honest, I want to hold fast to the identification of independent and here's why. Because if you look at whose swang elections, it's the purple people in the middle. And I know that neither side appreciates it. And they're like, well, we don't really want you here if you're not like us. But the reality is, if you hold on to your independence, you're authentic and you hold each side to account. Because if I'm uniformly read, and let's say Trump does something I don't like, I'm not going to get behind it. I'm not going to compromise my integrity. I'll lose my ability to communicate with people I'm trying to win over because I've compromised my integrity.

And maybe I don't want the next president to give people pardons that I don't think deserve it. So I think by casting off labels, if you will, and having core values that are true to you, you can really make the most impact. at building in roads and building a coalition of people that just want what's best for all of us. We all want health. We all want affluence. We all want love. We all want to see a peaceful world. And we were just talking about the fact that bridging ideologies does not mean you're giving up principles. So I'm kind of in the middle. You said you would eat a shit sandwich if Trump made you regret your vote. So far, have you had to take any bites?

No, I have not. I mean, of course he's done things I don't like. And by the way, my wife does things I don't like and vice versa. I don't expect, you know, people are, this is not what I voted for. The reality is I got a lot of what I voted for. I got some of what I didn't want. But I can tell you this much. And I say this with confidence and it's not a blue or red thing. I know I would have got a hell of a lot more that I did not vote for if I got the Harris Walls administration.

I'm laughing, but it's actually truly terrifying. Oh, yeah. I mean, when you think about the guy that can. came before Kennedy, Xavier Ruchera. How come we're not talking about the fact that this guy wanted to remove age limits on sex changes for kids? Like, where was the alarm when that was happening? So that's the true terror that I saw in that administration.

And of course, so much more. I think he's perfect. No, does he do stuff? I'm like, oh, no, no. Sure, all the time. Sure, yeah. But there are also things that he does that I am truly impressed with. I'll be honest.

I wonder if it might not be some of the boldest, bravest leadership that I've seen. And it's things like what he's doing with Iran and Israel. I actually think this is not going to become a forever war. I have a Pollyanna opinion about this. And I think it will end up expanding the Abraham Accords. I think he will take the risk of nuclear weapons away from Iran. I think that's actually going to happen. I don't think this is going to be Iraq or Afghanistan.

I also agree with the tariffs. I can't tell you I think his strategy is best. But the reality is there are asymmetries. We are having a hollowing out of the middle class and the working class. We need reshoring. He's succeeding at that. There's a 454% increase in reshoring from 24 to 25. That's him.

And we have national security problems without question that he's trying to address. Is all of it all at once the best? idea? Maybe not. But he also probably feels the pressure of, oh my gosh, I only have four years. There's so much to do. I believe in what he's doing. He didn't kick the can down the road like everybody else has. He wasn't pressured by globalists. I think that's brave. I think it's courageous. I'm hoping for the best. You're one of the most anti-Ozempic people in the fitness industry. But everybody right now is talking about microdosing and the benefits for people that are 100 plus pounds overweight. Let's get them started? Has your thoughts on that changed at all? Microdosing, yes. Microdosing, it has.

Now, I haven't done a deep dive into it in all transparency, but there are people who have, JJ Virgin has, our good friend Brigham Bueller has, and I trust them. What my biggest concern with regard to OZembek is, of course, it has a suite of nefarious side effects. Tell us some of them. Gosh, I mean, intestinal blockage, stomach paralysis. There are cases of thyroid cancer, despite them being rare, pancreatitis. We're starting to see people lose their eyesight. You're hearing about sexual dysfunction, suicidal ideation. And these things are real. They're very real. This is not a naturally occurring hormone. It's a replica. GLP 1 lasts in the body 15 minutes. This lasts in the body seven days. And when you get off of it, you gain all the way

back and then some. They're suggesting that it might be dampening stem cell production in the lower epidermis layer. And this is why people are having accelerated facial aging, not just fat loss. I've taken a ton of weight off of people. They don't look older. They look younger. There's definitely something else going on there. It's extremely expensive. So all those side effects worry me. I think they're greatly mitigated by a microdosing. And in addition, I am concerned that this is a front line of defense. If it is one tool that, quite honestly, is a last resort in a toolbox, I'm far more comfortable. What do you think about people saying, oh, Jillian Michael, she's like the Gordon Ramsey of exercise? I can guess. I think it's funny. You know, honestly,

it's interesting because that persona at this point, does it feel like a lifetime away? Are you like, no, that's me? It does. I wonder, though, because there are talks of repress. reprising that role in some capacity. They're talking about reprising the biggest loser. Not the biggest loser, no, but it's like, would you ever consider a special where you take on this issue again in that role? Not a game show of sorts. But, you know, who knows? I don't know if anybody would tackle it and I don't know if I've got the time to do it.

But I wonder what I would be like in that environment. What I can tell you is this, biggest loser was unique in that it was a life or death intervention on a ticking clock. and that ticking clock requires a dramatically accelerated pace in demanding change. So you utilize anything and everything you have available to you. And for some people, utilizing fear to short circuit the narrative of what they think is possible versus what they think is not is something that I would absolutely use and, quite frankly, be very successful with. Now, a lot went on there that you didn't see. you saw 45 minutes of something that went on for 10 days, and that part made really good TV.

And I would say it's probably 3% of the stuff that I used to do with the people that I worked with. But is a tool I'd be willing to throw out? Probably not. Do you think that show could even be on TV today? Or would it be too politically incorrect? I think now that people are so sick of wokeism, I actually think it would at this moment in time, do really well.

Actually, that's interesting because I thought, oh, no, they couldn't make this anymore, but you're right. Maybe actually it would explode. I said that five years ago. Yeah. I said that in 2019, and then I was swiftly canceled for saying that I didn't celebrate the fact that Lizzo was 300-something pounds. And the reason I don't celebrate it is because I do think she's a brilliant artist and I would never want to see her suffer from chronic disease. And the fact that that was a controversial statement was truly shocking to me.

And at that moment in time, I thought Biggest Luser will never work. And in fact, it didn't. I think there was a reprisal. It had been revival. I'm sorry, revival of it. And it did in fact fail. But I think now it's possible it could work. How are you really feeling about the Maha movement behind the scenes?

Here's what I don't like about it. I'm going to be honest. I don't like all the infighting. It disappoints me. Explain to people that are clueless. What is the infighting going on in Maha? I have distanced myself from it so much at this point that I can simply tell you there's like the ones that focus on vaccines. And there's the ones that focus on food.

And the reality is like there's room for all of these conversations in one movement. And when we get caught up fighting with each other, like, what are you doing? It's the same thing we're seeing across all of culture. It's like red against blue, neighbor against neighbor when these huge global corporations are robbing everyone. Mind. Pay attention to the true bad guy in the room. You're still fighting about diets and supplements? And who gives a shit? You're fighting about if we're going to prioritize whether a kid gets Hep B or we're going to ban red number 40. Can't you have both of these fights simultaneously? Yep. It's extremely disappointing to me. And I've kind of taken just a small step back while it all plays out while continuing to advocate for the bigger, broader message.

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Kennedy and Maha as a movement are up against the four biggest, most powerful lobbies. Ag, food, pharma, insurance. And just one of those. Goliaths would be virtually impossible to take on, let alone all four. It's like a horror film. It's like a Japanese horror film with like Godzilla and Kong and like some other, you know, nuclear creatures. It's just, it's, it's virtually impossible. And the fact that there's been any change is truly a miracle. I mean, look, we, we know he's handcuffed. Let's, let's, let's be fair. Cassidy, we got his vote. That's great. Yeah, Senator Cassidy, my least favorite. both know that he held his vote hostage and concessions had to be made. Kennedy would not be there if those concessions weren't made. This is called grown-up talk. Like, you don't get a perfect world.

You don't get all or nothing. You have to fight for every little victory. And so, listen, what are the 10,000 chemicals in our food that probably shouldn't be there? We got one out. Hey, one is better than, you know, adding 20 more. Right. So for me, I'm excited about that. that. I know that he is trying. I know that he is a good person. I know the people around him like

Marty and Jay and Casey and Callie are great people. My expectation is negative zero. So every step they make, that is a good one. I am mind boggled. I'll be honest. What have your interactions behind the scenes been like with RFK? Can you share any like fun conversations? Sure. Zero. This is what's so ironic is, you know, people think I'm some sort of loyalist. I don't even know him. I don't work for the administration. I've met him three times in passing, literally three times. Once on a hike where I got to talk to him for about 20 minutes, once in passing at the Senate hearing with Ron Johnson. Yeah. And another one in passing at the Maha reports unveiling. Yeah, my interactions have been like, hello, how are you doing? Good to see you again. Goodbye.

Like that's all mine event. I've never even interviewed the guy. I haven't either. Which I'm truthfully kind of pissed about. No, I wanted to. But the thing is, I couldn't interview him last year when he was doing like everybody's goes because Turning Point is a 501C3 nonprofit. So I'm not allowed to interview candidates. And then now, you know, he's in the admin. He has no time. So I missed out. That's interesting.

So one day maybe I'll get to interview him. Or maybe, you know, maybe I'll get lucky in these next four years and he'll have a second and he can do it an interview. But yeah, it was hard for me too. The reality is I appreciate what he stands for. And the other truth of this is that I understand what he's fighting for and he's right. The problem is people don't know how to disseminate the misinformation. I don't know if you saw this. Did you see this crowdsourced PDF spreadsheet that CNN did to gather placebo-controlled studies on vaccines to try to disprove?

All true. And I know this because I got into a bit of a tete-a-tete with a journalist at the New York Times, which I'm sure will be a hit piece that I plan on framing on the wall of my. my office. Hopefully not, but I'm optimistic, but I embrace it. I know I'll be in good company. Should that happen? So I sat down with Dr. Joel Warsh. Have you sat down with this guy? Yeah. Pediatrician. And he has his MS in, I believe, epidemiology. I had to forgotten. His whole thing is vaccines. Yes. Yes. And I was like, break this down for me. He's like, well, first of all, half the stuff on this spreadsheet aren't even on the kid's schedule. So let's wipe out half right there. He's like, second of all, the vast majority of them aren't actually inert placebo, meaning saline.

They're using active comparable placebos, which is previous versions of a vaccine. He's like, third, how many of them are looking at long-term safety? Virtually none. They're looking at efficacy. Does it work 10 years from now? Immuginicity. How did the body mount or response to the vaccine? But long-term safety, very few.

And he's like, and last but not least of the three that you may or may not have left, none of it was done pre licensure of the vaccine. And I know that. So I know when Kennedy is talking about this stuff, I know what he's saying, and I know he's right. And I know how to get the information should I become confused. But the vast majority of people don't. So for me, I know it's my job, your job, to go out and explain this to people,

disseminate the information because I know what he's fighting for is right. You've been in Hollywood circles for decades. Do you think it's really weird how the mainstream media is all of a sudden saying it's right-wing extremism to talk about vaccines and raw milk? All right. Am I crazy that it was Hollywood liberals who were the ones who were not vaccing their kids and drinking raw milk? But this, by the way, is why I refuse to put a label on myself and I refuse to become tribal. Because the only reason they've moved in that direction is because they feel like they'll be cast out of their party if they don't. Everybody knows this is bananas, except for the crazy.

super fringe, woke few that are, like this tail, it's wagging the dog. And then some of us just get purged like Anna, like myself. And for the first time, we can see the sun, you know? But with that said, I'm seeing stuff that's so crazy. It's hard to mark my head around outside of health. Like I was just on CNN last night. Because I think now, to be honest, I think that's really where we need to be. Oh, yeah.

It's so easy to go on fugs. we need to be places where we're fighting for minds. Well, and with the Maha movement, this is what people need to understand. When it comes to the midterms coming up, and I think you can echo this beautifully. Maha, I think, is one of the most powerful political arms we have of the Trump admin. You're so true. You're so right. We need to keep pressing and promoting Maha if we want to win midterms. We need to keep these people.

We gain millions of voters based on this issue. We need to keep them, keep talking about it. So I hope the president, you know, people will hear. this in his camp and RFK and just be motivated to keep pushing Maha as we go into the midterms. I couldn't agree with you more. But I think what you're seeing is crazy. Let me lay this one at your feet. Okay. So I'm not sure when this airs, but recently two marijuana fields in California were rated by ICE. I'm on CNN and they're talking about how ICE injured the farm workers. Like, can we, do you mind if we pause? Would you like me to shine some light on why you

lost the last election? Because the vast majority of us are horrified about the fact that there are unaccompanied, underage, undocumented children who were likely trafficked working on a weed farm. Hello? Like, if you think them demon-aunted children who are likely trafficked working on a weed farm. Hello? Like, if you think them demonizing raw milk is bad. Like, and then one of them made a case and said, no, no, no, it's legal for 12-year-olds to work in agriculture in California where it actually is. However, Glasshouse would need a license that permits minors under the age of 18, which they did not have.

It is, in fact, illegal. But my point is, how are we having these arguments? Yeah. Nevertheless, we need to keep having them. It's not just Maha. Maha is an extension of what Gadsad truly calls the woke mind virus. it is a problem. When it comes to the American chronic disease crisis,

did you always know that food was the problem? Or for a while did you think they're not exercising enough? They're too sedentary. And do you feel like I made a mistake then? Or no, you always knew it was the food? You know what? Here's where I really appreciate the Maha report for whatever flaws and errors it had.

It did identify the four key problems. And they are all problems. Food. Okay. Sedentary lifestyle. Yeah, crop in the environment, big one, and over-medicalization. Now, would I weight them all equally? No, but kind of close.

I might put over-medicalization of like 10%, but food, sedentary lifestyle, and chemicals, I would almost wait equally. I think they're all equally dangerous. And you always felt that way, or this isn't recent? I've always felt that way. There was an evolution with food. And that came when I was in my very,

early 30s because I couldn't understand why, despite the fact that I was a healthy weight and I was exercising, I still had a host of health issues. Nodules on my thyroid, PCOS, melasma, my face. I'm like, this just doesn't add up. What am I missing here? And that's when I ended up writing master your metabolism with a board certified endocrinologist and really expanding my understanding about the quality of food. And I had to do a big mea copa about the previous books. I was like, throw out all of those recipes with splendor and soybean oil. Yes. So bad.

What is your elevator pitch to keep somebody motivated on their fitness journey if they just are like, I can't do this anymore? Gosh, my elevator pitch. My elevator pitch, I guess, would be what choice do you have? Because if you don't do it anymore, then it is a foregone conclusion, you will die sooner of something horrible. if that doesn't matter to you, then my pitch doesn't matter either way. But the more people try to avoid the thing they're afraid of, I don't want to deal with it, I don't want to face it, you manifest the thing you don't want to deal with.

And I keep trying to explain that when you play all of these scenarios out of like, what if I try and it works? Amazing. What if you try and you fail? Well, you learn from the lesson, you re-approach more intelligently, and success is a matter of attrition. What if I do nothing? Everybody thinks nothing happens.

It's not nothing that happens. It is an absolute 100% guarantee that you will manifest the very thing you are trying to avoid. That is what happens. So that's my elevator pitch. You kind of have no choice if you care even an iota. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be? Be true to yourself. I think once you're true to yourself, you start prioritizing yourself.

And when you prioritize yourself, you act on all of these different fronts. no matter how big or how small each and every one of those actions adds up. Small steps, small success is equal big wins over time. Be true to yourself. Be authentically you. You'll value yourself more. You'll build yourself worth and your self-esteem. And from that place, you work out because you love your body, not because you hate it.

From that place, you make these steps because you know your inherent value. Tell everyone about your podcast and where to listen. Gosh, I have two projects right now. So one is called Her Take, and it's with Patrick Bet David's Company, and it's a more centered version of the view. Oh, really? Yeah. I think of you were doing Anna Kasparian. No way.

I recruited Anna to join me. We don't always agree, as I'm sure you can imagine. And Lindy Lee and Amy Dangerfield, and we have guests all the time. It's a pretty new show, but very political, as I'm sure you can imagine, tackling some of these cultural issues as well. as geopolitical and economical, and we bring on the appropriate experts to disseminate all of it. And then there's my show, and it's really just a deep dive with a differing experts across the spectrum. It's mostly political these days, because I don't, I've got, you know, all the MAA people to do the health stuff right now, and they do it well. I'm trying to really lean into conversations

with people that are not inherent. Yeah. Whether it's talking to Matt Walsh about gay marriage, or talking to Kara Swisher about what I think is a problem having transgender athletes in sports. Those are the conversations that I'm really interested in having. Well, it's funny. So my audience is, you know, tried and true, conservative Christian. We didn't grow up hearing anything about the health. So me talking about all the health and wellness, they're hearing it for the first time. Your audience, who knows you, they already know the health stuff for the most part.

And so they're getting red-pilled on politics for the first time. So you and I have basically switched. That's so true. Yeah, and like that's what we're needed, you know? Yes, because you're speaking to an audience that hasn't heard it. You're complete, my audience doesn't even want it from me. It doesn't work. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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