Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - The Devastating Physical Impact Abortion Has On Women | Seth Gruber

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

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Are you pro-life because you hate women having options? Welcome to culture apothecary. You guys ready? 10% of women who are struggling with depression in America have a past abortion as their only risk factor that could have led to that depression in the first place. That's huge. Mental health, mental health.

60 of the 76 from 19, what did I say? 57 to 2018 showed a positive relationship between having had an abortion and increasing your risk of getting breast cancer in the future. That is Mike Drop. Nobody knows this. He's been described as a love child between Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk for the pro-life movement. He's honestly one of my favorite activists and favorite speakers to listen to. He's also basically a genius.

I met him when I hosted A Students for Life event in D.C. a couple years ago, and I could listen to him to debate abortion for hours. I wanted to have him on the show to discuss the impacts absolutely no one discusses regarding the link to abortion and serious negative impacts on women's physical health, breast cancer, preterm labor in pregnancies after abortion, and of course, the evidence on how abortion, once acknowledged by the woman, often completely destroys her mental health. If you are pro-choice, this episode will really shock you, and I think you're going to find it interesting at the very least. to hear a pro-life apologist explain the pro-life view of things. If you're an OG pro-lifer, I think he's going to teach you something new. I mean, the whole time, I barely talk in this episode, he is just brain-dumping so much on me. This is one of those that you're going to want to have pen and paper out,

or you're going to want to have your phone ready to take notes and keep them in your phone, so that you can cite these sources and these studies later on when you are in a debate with somebody on this topic. I also want to get to the bottom of this woman in Atlanta who was killed because allegedly, right, doctors wouldn't remove her miscarriage. At least that's what we're being told. But I want to find out the truth about what the current laws post-Roe say about miscarriage and abortion. His new movie, The 1916 Project, is one of the best films that I've seen that powerfully points out who Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, really was as a person. Vermin who wanted to eliminate everyone who wasn't white.

That was the original purpose of abortion, and she prayed on women of color. Seth will explain, not much has changed. You should know that I am personally, staunchly pro-life. I want to put that out there just for anybody thinking, like, I'm trying to, like, you know, pretend or something like that or act like I'm not biased when I am. I'm very pro-life. But for this interview, there's a few times I'll play devil's advocate somewhat asking questions, making points that I think the other side would say. Please welcome Seth Gruber, documentary filmmaker, founder of the White Rose Resistance, host of the podcast, The Seth Grubber Show and husband and father of three to culture apothecary. So since my rebrand in September,

I've gained a lot more new people that haven't listened. And so, you know, not everyone may be pro-life. Some may be pro-choice. Others listening just may not even think about it. Maybe it's like, I don't even just get into that. I don't, I've never thought about it. You know, there's even a lot of conservatives lately, which we were talking about off-air, that have kind of adopted some pro-choice talking points, surprisingly. Yeah. How would you describe what the true mission is behind the pro-life movement? And are you pro-life because you hate women having options?

Welcome to Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark. Well, I mean, first of all, you don't know whether I'm a woman or not. I might have a uterus. It's a very dangerous thing for you to assume in the age of Bruce Jenner, Alex. Okay, listen. I, too, am a uterus holder. And so I can identify with women living under the thumb of the Trumpian patriarchy by not having the right to choose. Because I learned from the Gnostics behind the weird sexual, revolutionary, progressive culture of death that we're living through today, that just because you're born with male chromosomes doesn't mean you can't be a woman.

And so apparently I can liberate Sally from the biological. prison of Seth. And just as I changed my pronouns on my driver's license, I've also now learned how to liberate my vaccine identity from the blob of my unjabbed self, because biology provides no clues to our real identity. That's why a man can be a woman now. And I guess men have a right to abortion, too. That's what the left is telling me. But all my point is this is all stupid. This is all absolutely insane. No, I'm not pro-life because I hate women. I'm actually very grateful that my mother didn't abort me or kill me in the name of radical feminism. I'm pretty grateful that I had a right to life and I'm in this world.

Abortion is wrong because I was once a fetus. Alex, that's actually why abortion is wrong. Abortion is not a woman's issue. It's a human issue. Human life begins at the moment of conception. Okay, every secular bioethicist, non-Christian, pagan, scientist, bioethicist. Did you know this? The vast majority of them admit that life begins at conception.

I did not. Human life begins at conception, okay? Including Peter Singer in Australia, who's this, like, like old fart in his 90s now. He's like a total communist. The reason Peter Singer's famous, by the way, is he defends abortion, not just through point of birth, but up to one years old after birth, because he says pro-lifers are right. The cognitive abilities that Peter Singer says Grant personhood, which are not present, allegedly, in the third trimester child, are also not present in the child after birth and up to nine months after birth. Oh, you know,

he's staying consistent. He's consistent. That's right. So rather than saying, oh, gosh, I'm pro-choice, but I really don't want to kill babies after birth. He goes, no, hey, pro-choicers, you need to shut up and be consistent. The pro-lifers are right, that nothing meaningful changed from third trimester baby. And then, and then the fetus fairy, you know, the fetus fairy, right? Sprinkled magical personhood conferring fairy dust on the child as it exited the birth canal. No, of course not. There's no such thing as a magical birth canal.

So Peter Singer says, pro-lifers are right. There's actually no value-giving difference between the third trimester baby right before birth and the infant right after. So rather than saying we should protect both, Peter Singer says we should kill both and both are disqualified from the community of persons. Okay. So that is a more common belief now than many realize on the pro-choice side of the aisle. So why is all of this significant? That if you don't grant and recognize the right to life of human beings, because they're human beings, then where do those rights come from? You see? If our right to life comes from our cognitive abilities, our awareness, our consciousness, our self-awareness, then if born people

lack some of those same capacities, then they too would be less of a person than those with a higher capacity of those value-giving personhood conferring functions. So at a high, high level, I know that was probably higher than you were wanting to go. That's why this issue is so important. That's why it's not a woman's issue. It's a human issue. And if we don't get the right to life right, we won't get any other rights right, right? And that's why our founders had an order of rights in our founding documents. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they're endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are the right

to life. But I thought that the pro-choice side says that there is a constitutional right to abortion. Well, yeah, that's the argument. So here's the thing, the divide on the abortion side of the aisle, Alex, that the left can't figure out. They can't figure out where the right to abortion comes from. To your point. So let's ask someone.

Like, so I, by the point, I've done this on college campuses with Turning Point events or Young America's Foundation college events that I speak out. And I love asking, you know, purple-haired male and female feminist abortion advocates who majored in lesbian dance theory. Where does the right to abortion come from? And immediately they're like, listen, if abortion is a positive right, a legal right, okay, then the abortion advocate cannot really complain if the state does not permit her an abortion because the same government that can grant's rights can take them away. However, if abortion is a natural right, stay with me, culture apothecary, are you ready? Okay, you're about to get your face ripped off, right? Get ready to get Holy Spirit pill. If abortion is a natural right, a right that springs from our nature as human beings. So it's a human right. That's what they say.

Abortion is a human right. What they're saying is it's a natural right. It's not a legal right. It's a right that we have in virtue of being human. Then the abortion advocate had that right from the moment she began to exist, the moment of conception. So we were left with an amusing paradox. According to the logic of abortion advocates, unborn women do not have a right to life, but they do have a right to an abortion.

So good. Look at that. It's like, good grief. If you have a right to an abortion because it's a human right, then you had that moment from the moment you became human, the moment of conception. So now we're left with saying that unborn fetuses who are female have a right to abortion, but they don't have a right to life, which is ludicrous. Right. The math never masks. The math never masks on that side of the aisle. By the way, it's not a constitutional right. Alex, because our founding documents say no person should be denied of the right to life and property without due process of law. So the federal protections for the unborn child are already in our family documents. Unfortunately, we just don't have a culture that respects the right to life and the dignity of babies and children that would allow that amendment to actually be applied to unborn babies. So we have probably a long and bloody road ahead of us to protect the unborn. But here's why this issue is so important because I know you said you have maybe some listeners who are pro choice.

Listen, a conservative movement that does not prioritize the total and complete abolition of abortion as its highest political priority will one day wake up and find that there is nothing left to conserve. If it's true that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, then it's also true that the hand that wrecks the cradle ruins the world. I think when people debate abortion, it almost always revolves around the baby. And, you know, is it a baby? When does it have violence? viability, should that even matter, you know, that abortion is safer for a mother than childbirth. That's something that people say. But you say that you can prove without a doubt that abortion has absolutely wrecked women's health. So you have my attention. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we're about to get red-pilled so hard right now on the culture of poverty. There have been so many

lies behind this, Alex, for decades and decades and decades. Before you or I were born. Okay, I was born in 1991, so I just turned 33. They were spreading these lies in the 70s and 80s, that there is no form of negative health outcomes for you, woman, in the future, if you've had an abortion. Super safe. In fact, there's a super popular statistic. I don't know if we have time to get this right now, but there's a very popular claim on the left and in the abortion industry, Alex, and they say, actually, if you follow the science, childbirth is four times more dangerous than abortion. I can prove that abortion has a massive negative health outcome on mental health in the future. Preterm delivery. Like if you have an abortion, you're way more likely to deliver

prematurely born babies in future pregnancies. And, oh, wait for it, breast cancer, which that one will get fact-checked Washington Post 10 podokios like crazy. Is this going on YouTube? Because you're going to get like massive, like, well, it was. Maybe we can't now. Warning, fact check, fact check. Okay. Oh, great. Yeah. By the way, that's actually true any Tem, you talk about abortion? Like, period. Like, you just bring it up. And my podcast talks mostly about abortion. It talks about the whole culture of death and how we got here. So it's broader than that at the Seth Gruber show. But I get that thing on YouTube, basically on every single episode. But yeah, there's his claim and they say, well, actually, it's more dangerous for you to give birth,

mom, then for us to stick forceps up your vaginal canal and start ripping the limbs off your trial. Giving birth something that we were all literally designed by God to be able to do. Well, Alex, that's because you're a bigot and don't follow the science. I guess so. That's a sort of. That's a super popular claim and you even know it. And you're very broad in your research on a lot of these health things like in general in the country. The reason that there's no way for the abortion industry or the left to be able to say that it is more dangerous for you to give birth naturally. That's more dangerous than killing your baby is because they don't have the statistical basis to stand on to make that claim. And here's what I mean by that. The abortion adverse event reports,

A-E-R, abortion adverse event reports. Abortion clinics are required by the FDA to report adverse events, complications for the mom that result from the abortion. Most adverse events are complications following an abortion that a mom goes through. That mom does not go back to the abortionist. Yeah, it's happening at home. Yeah, at home. Or she goes to her primary care physician. We know this from the data. So if most women who have abortion complications don't go to the only individual that's mandated by law to report those complications, the abortionist, ever heard the phrase conflict of interest, guys? But she's going to her primary care physician who is not required to report abortion complications or what often actually ends up happening, Alex, there's a lot of those moms who have abortion

complications. They don't want to tell their primary care physician that the reason she's having ABCD issues is because she had an abortion a few weeks ago or a few months ago. So, so Sometimes the primary care physician doesn't even know that there was an abortion in the past. So, none of those things, vast majority of those things, are not even getting reported to the abortion reporting institutions. And so the abortion industry is able to claim without any statistical foundation that it is more dangerous for you to give birth than to have an abortion. But thanks to socialized medicine in Finland, which I'm a huge enemy of, I think socialized medicine is a horrible idea. But the left loves it, right? They love it.

And guess what socialized medicine gives you, Alex, good data. because the government is running the healthcare industry. So it's socialism, it's horrible, but it gives you good data. In Finland, they found in their data sets from women who have abortion that actually abortion is four times more dangerous than giving birth. And do they say why? Well, here, let me think. It's unnatural to shove forceps up your vaginal canal or take a abortion pill, which I can actually

kind of trace the role of the Nazis in the... abortion pill. We can talk about that if you want to, which cuts off the hormone progesterone, so all nutrients to the child is cut off the baby starves to death. And then the second regimen of the abortion pill forces your uterus to have contractions. Finland data also shows that the abortion pill, RU486 medication abortion, which was 63% of the abortions in 2023. 63% was not like a clinic or a surgery. It was a pill. Finland data shows that the abortion pill is four times more dangerous than surgical abortions. I did not know that statistic.

So the abortion industry is pushed right now, Alex, to push the abortion pill. And they're shipping it into like more red states. Yep. Where abortion is either banned or like almost banned. They're shipping it illegally into states that have banned abortion. Because how are you supposed to like, I guess you'd have to go into the mail, actually.

We'd have to find an attorney general in a conservative state who would go after the provider. shipping illegal abortion pills into their state. So this is the big push now because in states it started banning abortion, brick and mortar abortion clinics started disappearing. So the abortion industry ramped up the abortion pill. And now it went from like 30 something percent of the nation's abortions a few years ago to 63 percent of the nation's abortions last year through the abortion pill.

And in 2018, Cecile Richards was present in the Planned Parenthood at that time. She wrote an article in the Los Angeles Times in an opinion editorial and told America that the medication abortion pill is safer than Tylenol. Stop. Are you kidding? I have the article in the LA op-ed by the president of Planned Parenthood from 2018. Mom, you're more likely to die from taking Tylenol than from taking our abortion pill. Now go buy our cheap to manufacture sell at high-margin abortion pill that we can ship into your state illegally.

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health is a bad thing I'm not saying you shouldn't care about your mental health but you know the culture's obsession well yeah and we're told that you know going to get an abortion it's just like you know going to the ATM going through the Starbucks drive-through it's quick it's easy you get it done like you never think about it again yeah that's right you know and then you see these people online that are adamant they're like well I had an abortion and you know I've never regretted it my life is so much better So, but then you have the pro-life people saying like, no, there's a lot of mental anguish, so. So let's get into it. You guys ready?

You're about to get red-pilled this culture, this culture apothecary. I love it. I love this show. We're about to rip your face off. Much of what has spouted, Alex, regarding the alleged safety of abortion for women comes from a book by the National Academy of Sciences called The Safety and Quality of Abortion Care in the United States. Before I get into that, I just want to say, I don't believe abortion's wrong because it harms women. I believe abortion is wrong because it kills babies, and those babies have a right to life.

However, when you kill your baby because it's so unnatural, and that's not how God created you, he did not create your body to have forceps shoved up it and have your child ripped out. He created your body to protect and house that child. Check out this. The uterus is the only organ in a woman's body that's not designed for her. The uterus is the only organ in a woman's body that is not there for her life, her sustenance, her well-being. It's the only organ in a woman's body that's there for another human being. That's exactly right.

So the baby has a right to your body, mother, because the uterus is created for your baby and not for you. So when people say, I have my body, my body, my body, the child doesn't have a right to my body. Actually, the child does have a right to your body because the uterus is there for the child. Okay.

So abortion is wrong because it kills babies because babies are humans. Human beings begin at the moment of conception and our rights do not come from our cognitive abilities, our desires, but from our humanity, which began at the moment of conception. However, I think it's important to have a conversation about abortions,

negative health impacts on women because the culture, the abortion industry, the left, the activist media, I call them journalistic prostitutes for the culture of death. Wow. They had been lying about this for decades, Alex. But remember, what does the abortion industry say? We exist to provide health care to women. Okay, well, if you love women so much and you're here to provide health care to women, I'm sure that you would tell them all of the risks that could be entailed, even if there's a

slightly statistical, significant chance that that abortion might result in negative health outcomes in the future. I'm sure you would say all of that. Right abortion industry because you love women. Bull crap, horse manure. No, they don't because they make a ton of money on killing babies. So those who murder the unborn cannot be trusted to govern the born. And those who murder the unborn will one day murder us too, the longer we tolerate this evil in our country. I mean, hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. Is that the biggest moneymaker from Planned Parenthood? Not anymore. It's trans drugs for teens.

It's Planned Parenthood's fastest growing revenue stream. So this book by the National Academy of Sciences, it's called The Safety and Quality of Abortion Care in the United States. I'm telling you, I've done my research, this is the book, Alex, that if you ever hear the left and the culture and the activist media say, abortion's not dangerous to women, nothing negative will ever happen to you in the future, ever, ever, ever, follow the science, trademark over the E, Fauci Approve, Stamped. This is the one book that they will cite to make these claims.

The National Academy of Sciences, 20% of the authors at the National Academy of Sciences have financial ties to the industries or topics that they're researching. Of course. That's how it is. But it gets worse than that, Alex. Every single freaking name that participated in writing the safety and quality of abortion care in the United States has financial ties to the abortion industry or is an abortion trainer. Every single name that contributed to the creation of the book, the safety and quality of the industry. of abortion care in the United States put together by the National Academy of Sciences, the book that if you ever hear the left, the culture of the activist media or our universities, say abortion will not negatively impact your health outcomes in the future, Mom.

If the pro-life side, that was our biggest piece of evidence that we wielded over the pro-choices that we have this book and these scientists say this, but all of them were, you know, funded by pro-life, you know, activist groups or something, they would be like, that doesn't count. You can't use that. Oh, of course. Of course, that's what they said. If you ever cite a pro-lifer or academic on your side of the aisle, then the left goes like, confirmation bias, you can't do it. But when they do it, it's just science. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So that would never fly. So that right there, okay, well, that's super

helpful to know when you're debating abortion. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, how many pages did this very large book, the safety and quality of abortion care in the United States give to examining if there's a relationship between abortion and mental health? Four pages. How many pages did they give to examining abortions impact on preterm labor and subsequent pregnancies? Three pages. How many pages did they give on examining abortion's relationship to breast cancer? One and a half pages. And how many pages did they give to examining abortion's impact on death, maternal death of women? Half a page. So now we've set the stage. Here's what we know about abortion and its impact on mental health. Between 1993 and

2018, there were 75 peer-reviewed research studies that examined, and that's the left love, that peer-reviewed, the relationship between abortion and mental health. 75. 50 of the 75 studies showed a positive association

between having had an abortion and mental health issues in the future. 50 of the 75. How many of their studies that the National Academy of Sciences in their book, the Safety and Quality of Abortion Care in the United States look at when they argued that there is no evidence that abortion leads to mental health.

Seven. They looked at seven of the 75 studies. All seven came from the other 25. Stop. Of the 75. So remember, 75 studies, 50. So two-thirds said yes, abortion impacts mental health in the future. 25 didn't. The National Academy of Sciences took all seven that they looked at in their book from the 25, which would have been the minority of the ones that said, there was no mental health. Five of the seven came from the turnaway cohort. The turnaway cohort, Alex, was a study that was set up with the premise that women who seek abortion but are turned away or fail to secure the abortion that they wanted do worse economically, emotionally, and psychologically. Like keeping the kid and raising the child.

Not killing baby Timmy. Yeah. So women who are turned away or for some, reason failed to secure the abortion they were trying to get. They're alive suck. They do better. They do worse financially, emotionally and psychologically than the women who got the child killing, who got the baby ripped out of their uterus, who got the abortion that they were seeking. The problem with the study is they determined how many people they needed to make the study successful. Of those that they approached and asked to participate in the turnaway cohort study, only 37% of those approached agreed to participate. And then during the course of the study,

44% of the 37% dropped out of the study. So they published their results with 17% of the total number of participants that they said they needed to make the study successful in the first place. How is this allowed? And how many of the studies were from the turnaway cohort? Five of the total seven that are in this book

the safety and quality of the abortion care in the United States, the primary source used to say abortion is super safe for woman and nothing negative will ever happen to you. And so this circus is why we're told. It's, oh, it's totally, there's no impact on mental health. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and then there was a super interesting unpublished result from the turnaway cohort, which I dug up, which is super interesting. They went to those women five years later, Alex.

The women who wanted and tried to get an abortion, but they didn't. 95% of them said they were. grateful that they didn't get the abortion that they were seeking, which I know is super shocking for y'all and the young women's listening to this who are into health and family and thriving, that when you don't kill Timmy in the womb and then he's five years old and you look at Timmy and you're like, I'm so glad I didn't slaughter you in the name of radical feminism. I know that'll shock you to find out that when you don't kill your kid five years later, you're grateful you didn't kill your kid. The turnaway cohort didn't publish that little result that they found in their

research as a part of the turnaway cohort. Must have just, you know, now must have been forgotten. Yeah. Follow the science. I'd like to ban that phrase, follow the science from American political discourse. Yeah, let's ban it. Priscilla Coleman has done the best research on this at the British Journal of Psychiatry,

proving abortion's impact on mental health in the future, or high, high increase in the risks of mental health in the future. The abortion industry in the left attacked the British Journal of Psychiatry when they were going to publish her research, because they didn't want this getting out. Thankfully, the British Journal of Psychiatry stood strong, and they published the results of her study. She found that having had an abortion, just one abortion, increases your risk of mental health in the future by 81%. Okay? And what she did was she took a meta-analysis of the research. A meta-analysis is when you look at similar different studies looking at the same issue to increase. increase the strength of the conclusion. Her meta-analysis, I believe, was 41 different studies. And so

it really helps us get sort of a grasp on the most, what the likelihood is that abortion increases your risk of mental health. And she cites 51 different references in her meta-analysis. So this is the best research we have that's available that looks at the relation between abortion and mental health in the future. And then she looked at the risk of abortion on depression and suicide. It's called the population attributable risk. What population attributable risk means, I know this is super statistical language. It's actually simple. It means how many women who have, let's say, depression have a prior abortion in the past as their only risk factor. Oh, that's interesting. Does that make sense? Yes. That's what population attributable risk is. So it would be like saying like

how many people with diabetes have high rates of sugar? eating as the only risk factor that could have led to the diabetes. That's what that means. So her meta-analysis, okay, with 51 different references, found that the population attributable risk of abortion on depression is 9.9%, which means almost 10% of women who are struggling with depression in America have a past abortion is their only risk factor that could have led to that depression in the first place. That's huge. That's huge. Mental health, mental health. The left is obsessed with mental health. That kind of makes sense, right? How much are they hurting mental health? Right, but one and four women on average have had an abortion, right? So that kind of makes

sense that that would be that high. And then she found that the population attributable risk of abortion on suicide is 34%. Whoa. So 34% of women who have killed themselves in America have had an abortion, have a past abortion as their only risk factor that could have suggested that she would have struggled with suicidality. Nobody is talking about this. No, of course not. No, of course. That's why I'm the pro-life rain man, weirdo. I did say the Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk had a baby thing. Oh my gosh. That's you. And then there's some good data from California. I love citing my once great golden state of communists to prove my own presuppositions whenever I can. So there's a data set of 200,000 California Medicaid patients. And here's what we found from that data set. 40% of

women who have had an abortion will at some point in the future meet all of the criteria for the diagnosis of PTSD. 40% of women who have an early abortion will at some point in the future meet all of the criteria for the diagnosis of PTSD and Alex, 60% of women who have had a late-term abortion will at some point in the future meet all of the criteria for the diagnosis of PTSD. That's just some of the proof of abortion's impact on mental health. I can't believe we've got pro-life girls out here buying abortion funding tampons once a month. The drugstore brands that you grew up with are saturated with heavy metals and fund abortion.

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So explain that to me because I was told by reputable people who may or may not be running for office that late-term abortions, there's not one that's ever happened in the United States. It's fake news. So what's the truth? Are late-term abortions happening or not? Oh, I don't know. Just go to Planned Parenthood's website of the Goupmacher Institute, which is Planned Parenthood. statistical research branch, which is named after Alan Guttmacher,

who took over Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, died and became the president of Planned Parenthood, Alan Gouther, who was part of the Population Council and the population reduction movement, Alan Guttmacher, who was approached by a journalist on the day that Roe versus Wade was decided in 1973, and he was asked Alan Gubmacher, how are you going to protect abortion rights in the future? How are you going to protect women's bodily autonomy rights from those conservatives who might take away Roe v. Wade? And he responded with two words, sex ed. And so that's how we sexually aroused children so that we can solve abortions in the future. So that's the namesake of the Guttmacher Institute today, Planned Parenthood Statistical Research Branch. It's so weird. I can go on to

Planned Parenthood's research branch, Alex, and I can see the number of abortions that occurred in the third trimester every year since 1973. That's so shocking because I thought they didn't happen. Now, what the left will say, Alex, is they'll say, well, okay, sorry, I wasn't prepared for Alex Clark to go full data on me. And so, yes, I mean, they can happen, but they only happen when a failure to get that late trimester abortion will kill the mother. So they're only a life-saving, procedure to save mom's life if wherein if the pregnancy continues mom will die also fake news okay abortion is never medically necessary to save mom's life never now I said never never never with no with zero uh qualifications really I said this on stage with Charlie at a freedom night that Instagram

reel went semi viral sure enough fact check fact check and I had a whole article written written by, I forget what fact-checking left-wing agency, from that Instagram reel. And so the left his lied about this for years. Here's how it works. Now, obviously, people are going to say, Seth is not an OB-GYN, so how can we trust him? Whatever.

Most people who say that abortion is necessary to save mom's life are also not doctors, so we're all in the same pool. Your OBGYNs are also telling you to take hormonal birth control, even then, you know, all those side effects. Yeah, you've covered that really well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, the OBGYNs, okay, but continue. Well, ACOG, the American College of Obstetricians, again, in college, is super pro-abortion.

But guess what? They used to be pro-life decades ago. I wonder what changed. So you see a lot of these, including the American Medical Association, used to be pro-life. They had as part of their commitment to protect pre-born children. Wow. Now they're pro-abortion, right? So any institution, it's a good rule for conservatives, any institution that does not

begin overtly conservative will always drift. Okay? Every single time. So let's actually bring some reality to this. So you're pregnant. You're in the third trimester. and you have a very high-risk danger to your body, to your health, to your life. If the pregnancy continues, you might die.

This happens sometimes. Thankfully, 21st century medicine, America, guess what, Alex? We can almost always save the life of both mother and child, right? But there are some rare circumstances where if you allow the pregnancy to continue, mom could die. Guess what? If the pregnancy is what is what is harming or threatening mom's life, how can we end the pregnancy? Hmm, homina, how many, how many, how many, how many, childbirth. delivering the child would be a way to end pregnancy.

Wow. That is safer for mom than performing an abortion. Is it safer to give birth like every woman has been doing forever? Or is it safer to shove forceps and a vacuum catheter tube up the vaginal canal, pierce the amniotic sac, suction it out, rip the limbs off of the child. Hope you get all the pieces because oftentimes they don't. And you have floating dead baby pieces in mom's uterus, which may curse us, acceptable to sepsis, other forms of infection and death. What do you think is safer for mom?

Think for a second. Childbirth is always safer for mom than performing an abortion. So even in these rare cases where the pregnancy might take mom's life, abortion is not the way to save mom's life. It's actually more dangerous of a way to try to save mom's life. The safest way would be to deliver the child. And there has been a whole kind of petition signed by obstetricians, gynecologists, medical students, and scientists. around the globe saying abortion is never medically necessary to save mom's life. Okay, so we covered mental health. Just abortion and mental health.

Okay, mental health, third trimester abortion, does it happen? Late-term abortion. What's next? So obviously, third trimester abortion does happen because Roe v. Wade and Doe versus Bolton allowed that, okay? I know Kamala Harris said in the debate that it doesn't happen. She said that's a myth. It does happen.

Okay, third trimester abortions do happen. You can go look at the statistics. Roe versus Wade, Doe versus Bolton. companion case, 1973, abortion's legal through all nine months of pregnancy. People say that's false. What the law actually said is that a state cannot ban abortion before fetal viability, unless a failure to get a late trimester abortion endangers the mother's life or health. And guess how they defined health so broadly you could drive a Mack truck through it. And Doe versus Bolton, and people don't remember Doe versus Bolton, it went along with Roe v. Wade.

they said that health could pertain to financial and emotional health. Yeah, so it's anything. It's just for what, there's using the word health for any reason you want. Guess who gets to decide whether the mother's definition of health is an adequate one? The abortion doctor? Of course. So here we are back at financial conflict offenders.

Okay. Now let's get into abortion's impact on preterm delivery in subsequent pregnancies. Meaning, if you kill your baby through an abortion, are you more likely to have premature deliveries of babies in the future? Yes. There have been 168 studies over the last several decades looking at the relationship between abortion and preterm delivery in subsequent pregnancies. And the vast majority of these 168 studies show a positive association between abortion and delivering premature babies in the future. Now, because we get accused of confirmation bias, I think it's important to say this. The

American Association of pro-life obstetricians and gynecologists, this called APLog, cited and put together 47 of these 168 to try to get a handle on the data to see if this is a legitimate relationship between abortion and preterm delivery. The only reason I say that is because people are about to say, well, okay, it's all confirmation bias. They're going to say that it has no relationship. It's important to point out that Aplog does not financially benefit from providing abortions or from preventing abortions. Okay, it's just a 501c3 that tries to get obstetricians together to say we shouldn't kill babies. Right. One, because it's wrong, too, because it's bad for mother's health. But these other institutions do profit from providing abortions and keeping it legal. I only said that the

Aplog cited 47 of the 168 to look at the data to now tell you this. How many of those 168. Alex, did the National Academy of Sciences include in their book called The Safety and Quality of Abortion Care in the United States, which is the primary source in the entire left-wing academia, culture, activist media, universities, to make the claim that there is absolutely no negative relationship between abortion and preterm delivery and subsequent pregnancies five. They looked at five of the 168 that they put in their book. At least the pro-life obstetrician gynecologist organization looked at 47 of the 166. to try to get a handle on the data. A meta-analysis was put together of 41 of those 168, 41 of the 168, and this gives us the best statistical significance of the risk of abortion to preterm delivery in subsequent pregnancies.

If you have one elective abortion, your risk of delivering a premature baby, which Alex is 32 to 37 weeks, is increased by 34%. But your risk of delivering extremely premedent. baby's that's before 32 weeks is increased by 64%. Now this is interesting because, you know, that when you're going in for an abortion,

I'm sure they're not giving women full informed consent to know like now, if you decide later, if you decide later that you do want to have a child, you should probably know that if you choose to get an abortion today, this might happen. You should probably know this. I think there was a phrase that I've heard a lot in the left and in the media, excuse me, it's like,

Inform consent. You can't have informed consent unless you're given all the information. That's the whole point. That's how you define informed consent. If you're not given all the information, you didn't actually make an informed decision. You didn't actually give consent. That would be the way to talk about this. These women are actually not consenting fully because they don't have all the information. Now, I don't believe that that excuses women, by the way, because I think we need a ban abortion. Okay. But it's also important. to point out that women have been lied to. And because the abortion industry understands that they can make a lot of money by lying to women. And how many women who have had an abortion have actually had multiple? The majority of women, over 50% of women who have abortions in America, are getting their second one, meaning they've had an abortion in the past. Whoa, okay.

Yeah, so many women who have abortions go on to have others. Okay. And so what happens when you have multiple? Multiple abortions, according to this best meta-analysis that's looked at this relationship. Your risk of giving birth to a prematurely delivered baby at some point in the future is increased overall by 93%. That is mic drop. That is mic drop. Nobody knows this. What about the population attributable risk of abortion on preterm delivery? Remember, that would mean how many women who are giving birth to prematurely born babies have a past abortion as their only risk factor that could have led to a premature birth? From this meta-analysis, 31%.

So you've got 31% of babies, Alex, and niccues, who are there with their mothers having had an abortion as the only risk factor or reason that could impact the premature birth of that baby. So you think about the risk for cerebral palsy and for chronic long-term disability that increases significantly with prematurely delivered baby. that's right. And all the health costs and taxpayer dollars that are then used to take care of those children, when 31% of them were delivered by mothers who have a past abortion as their only risk factor. Do you think maybe the abortion industry and the follow the science eugenesis at the FDA, CDC, NIH, should maybe, I don't know, like tell women that, hey, we love killing babies. we would love to take your money to kill your child,

but we just want to tell you that if you, you know, later decide that you're done with having orgasms without responsibility and you're ready for orgasms without responsibility, and maybe you like decide to give birth now. Yeah, you have a 36% increase in preterm delivery between 32 and 37 weeks and a 64% increase of babies delivered before 32 weeks. And if you have multiple abortions, 93% increase overall of giving birth to prematurely,

born babies, which then will rack up way more of your money that you're going to have to spend caring for negative health outcomes because you killed your baby in the past. This is a biblical concept. The sins of the mothers and fathers will be delivered upon the second and third generation. Now, let me pause and say, don't misunderstand what Seth just said. I'm not saying that God is all about punishing grandkids because grandpa did something bad. That's not what generational sin means. God doesn't punish the innocent for the crimes of their grandpapa. Generational sin means your actions will have consequences on the second and third generation. That's a biblical concept, and we're seeing that in this debate in evil as well.

I feel like I'm having a conversation with chat, GBT, or something. Like, this is like such a data dump. I'm trying, I'm like, I am just, I'm not, I don't even need to talk as much of this interview. I'm just listening and like trying to keep up with what you're saying. I'm not to, this is one of those interviews stuff where, like, I finish and then I have to listen to it four times. So I remember what happened. Totally.

And I was here. I have guests on my show and I feel the same with like, I had these studs on my show and I have to go back because I'm like, I forgot what they said. No, but keep going. It's phenomenal. We're like getting so much information in such a short amount of time. It's amazing. Well, I want to tell your listeners, Alex, that I had all this data for a long time, but I memorized it all for you last night because I thought culture apothecary would be the one show that we would really need to get this out viral to people because like, I mean, look at you, Alex. You're one of the most well-read, thoughtful and knowledge. influencers in the conservative movement about health and the lies that we've been told about health subjects in the country. And you're sitting here going, I've never heard this before. Like how deeply do these lies run, right? So thanks for let me share this. So are you ready for abortion and breast cancer? Yes. Yeah. Never heard this either. Yeah. Okay. So of all the,

of all the pro-lifers claims about abortion's negative impact on women's health generally, Alex, this is the one that causes the left to start manifesting their inner legion. And since it is October, which is the breast cancer awareness month, I thought that this was all the more appropriate to really get into the hidden data. Listen, most of what I do with my ministry, the White Rose Resistance and my film and book, The 1916 Project, is to expose the hidden history of the secular moral revolution. It's not a forgotten history. It's a hidden history. Like, that's why it's so important to get into this, because there has been a concentrated effort and agenda to bury and hide and suppress a lot of the information, obviously, that we've been talking about the last 30 minutes, but also about the history of the secular progressive sexual revolution weirdos of the 20th century who really manufactured the insane, stupid upside down society we're dealing with today. because I'm convinced now, having done this for over a decade now, Alex, that the left knows that if the more disturbing aspects of their history and legacy and agenda were exposed, most run-of-the-mill common-sense Americans would begin running, voting, praying, and living differently. And so we're just scratching the surface on some of this stuff. But listen, this is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. My mom died from breast cancer. I watched my mom deteriorate because of breast cancer. Now, she never had abortions, but like it's personal to me. And you see some of these groups. For example, Susan G. Komen, pro-abortion.

Really? Susan G. Comyn gives to Planned Parenthood, Alex. So, like, what I'm about to get into is going to blow your freaking mind because we have groups soliciting your, my, and American dollars to race for the cure. Right? Find the cure to breast cancer. When they're freaking giving money and donating money to abortion groups, and because of the abortions that they perform, breast cancer has exploded in America.

So they're actually funding the problem that they're then soliciting your dollars to solve for. And the data that you're about to hear, just like abortion and mental health and preterm labor, I'm convinced Alex, you're going to go, what the... Okay, so just buckle up, everyone, put it on, and we're going to send you all the citations on this.

You know, fact check me, fact check me, fact check me. Before we... I give you the data, Alex, this is a helpful point of comparison for your listeners. At 2003, the Women's Health Initiative was a study that looked at the increased risk of cancer due to postmenopausal hormone replacement. There was a national panic in this country after that study came out. All they found was that the increased risk of postmenopausal hormone therapy hormone replacement resulted in an increase of eight per 10,000 cases per year. So postmenopausal hormone replacement, eight per 10,000 women getting cancer per year. Not a huge increase, but this incited a national panic of women who were taking it after menopause.

I've talked to OBGYNs who were practicing medicine in 2003. And they're like, oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. That was a huge thing. That was crazy. I mean, it was wall-to-wall mainstream media news coverage about it. Okay. and OBGYN's office phone lines slammed.

Ringing off the hook. Women after menopause who were taking postmenopausal hormones say, what is going on? Am I going to get cancer now? How did I not know this? I mean, like, oh my gosh, there were like, there were, there weren't riots, but there was like, there was. There's national outrage.

There was like, you know, marches. There was freaking out, okay? The only reason I say that is to say this. What do you think in honest media would do? with the data and information I'm about to share about abortion's impact on breast cancer when post-metapausal hormone replacement

only resulted in 8 per 10,000 women per year increases in breast cancer. If that incited a national panic, what do you think the data we're about to... What would an honest, accountable media do with this number is? I'll tell you what an honest, truthful,

true journalism kind of media would do with this information. They would inside a national panic, the level of which makes the post-the-womenes health initiative 2003 study of post-menopausal hormone therapy on breast cancer looked like child's play. If we had an honest media that listened to this, fact-checked the information, and decided to cover it, I'm convinced, Alex, we would have pro-abortion feminists outside of abortion centers picketing them, not because they care about the unborn, but because they felt like they were lied to. And now they're freaked out that they're going to get breast cancer because they had three abortions while in college. So what are the numbers? And they've been hiding this from women forever, okay? So between

1957 and 2018, there were 76 studies internationally in peer-reviewed journals that looked at the relationship between abortion and breast cancer. Okay, 76. 60 of the 76 from 9.000. 60 of the 76 from 19, what did I say, 57 to 2018, showed a positive relationship between having had an abortion and increasing your risk of getting breast cancer in the future. And more than half of those 60 had a statistical significance that met or exceeded the 95th percentile. This is going to burn the pro-choice movement to the ground if enough people talk about it. That's right. And that's like a gold standard, by the way, 95th percentile. So let me say it again, 1957 to 2018, 76 studies. 60 of the 76 positive association, more than half of the 60

had a statistical significance of that relationship that met or exceeded the 95th percentile. How many studies, you know where I'm going? Of the 76 did the National Academy of Sciences include in their book, the safety and quality of abortion care in the United States, when they gave one and a half pages of treatment to abortion's impact on future breast cancer risks, how many studies did they look at? Probably two. Stop!

Stop! Stop! Three, Alex. Oh, and all three came from the 16, because 76, study 60 said yes, from the 16 that said there was no relationship between me. So they always take the minority of the ones that said there is a fake science. They put three into their one book.

And let me just say it again for the 15th time on this show. That book, the safety and quality of abortion care in the United States by the National Academy of Sciences, is the gold standard, most cited document and authoritative to justify the claim that the entire culture tells young women that if you have abortions, don't worry, don't worry. Nothing negative will ever happen to your health in any way, shape, or form in the future. In fact, it's safer than childbirth, right? So we've just set the stage now. And have you shared this info on any other shows? No. No, I thought I'd find.

get this all together for you. Thank you, Seth. Oh my gosh, Seth. Isn't that crazy? Yep. By the way, Alex, there is a plausible biological and physiological explanation. Okay, yeah. Are you going to say, like, why would an abortion cause breasts?

Good. This is my next question. There is a plausible biological and physiological explanation for why allowing a pregnancy to begin to stimulate the breasts, but then stopping it can result in cancer. having had a child early in life going full term, delivering baby, and nursing her provides an incredibly high level of protection against breast cancer because those mature ducks and glands are very resistant to becoming cancerous. You guys can go fact-check me. Okay, I know I'm not a doctor, but I'm a weird homeschool kid, okay, with intellectual ADHD. I mean, we trust you. You can go find all this stuff.

now for however long. We know. That stuff you can confirm, okay, on Google. They're very resistant to becoming cancerous. Okay, listen to this. 97% of breast cancers occur in immature ducks or glands. 97%. So, Alex, abortion causes the number of immature glands to proliferate.

And it caused them to remain in a proliferative state for years, but never mature. And so they become very prone to malignant change. So that's the biological and physiological kind of explanation as to how and why that can happen. Now, the best research on this. Okay. Now we've looked at that. Now let's get into the real research that the National Academy of Scientists didn't put into their book. It's from Dr. Dalling.

she has the best meta-analysis 845 women in a meta-analysis all who had breast cancer and she created 961 age match controls and compared those 845 women with breast cancer to women who didn't have breast cancer. Does that make sense? So let's match these these women as closely as we can with the criteria and then that will help us understand why did these 845 get breast cancer and why did these 845 not get breast cancer? Okay. Having had one abortion, increases your risk of getting breast cancer

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If you have an abortion as a teenager and you have a family history of breast cancer, you're basically guaranteed to get breast cancer. 12 of Dr. Dalling's 845 women, 12 of her 845 women, had an abortion as a teenager, and also had a family history of abortion. All 12 of them had breast cancer by the age of 45. Why have I never heard anyone in the pro-life movement talk about this data? This is so unbelievably concrete, solid, convincing, earth-shattering, soul moving. Why have I never heard anyone before this talk about this? Yeah, and I'll even send you all the citations afterwards to your team. Why? Because most people haven't done the deep dive on it. Aplog has. The American Association of Pro Life Obstetricians and Gnecologists, Aplog, they have. They have done the deep dive on a lot of this research and put it together. Unfortunately, most people are not aware of Aplog. They're way more underfunded than they should be. Listen, actually, I'm going to say something. If you're listening to this and you are a doctor, your family medicine, you're an OBGYN, You need to leave the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

Remove your membership from ACOG and go give your membership to the American Association of Pro Life Obstetricians and Ginecologists. Go to Aplog, leave ACG. Guess what obstetrician organization refuses to look at, entertain, or platform any of this information or data before American women. ACOG, the American College of Opsetration. Doctors that are literally working on women and dealing with all of these issues, they refuse to look at how abortion is contributing. So Planned Parenthood and Susan G. Komen, you baby killing Molok Wollock worship or hacks. Why don't you tell American women whose babies you're killing and making billions of dollars off of killing that they might have breast cancer in the future and increase by 50%? Actually,

if you have one abortion by the age of 45, or you don't want them to know that because you're not in the business of women's health care. You're in the business of the culture of death and baby killing because nothing is more profitable than that. So you fund the problems that you then say you're here to solve. You hacks, you demon worshippers. We're going to primary every single one of you. Oh, and then there's the abortion pill, which according to Finland's socialized medicine data is four times more dangerous to women than surgical abortions, and it comes from the Nazis. That's right. Are you 486 is the name of the abortion pill? Okay, so let me say something about the amount of women that are having pregnancy, abortion complications, you know, death, all of these things are coming

from the abortion pill. Wouldn't the argument from the pro-choice side be, well, see, this is why we told you that we can't overturn, that everything would become dangerous because people were going to go to desperate measures, and that if we would have just kept abortion legal, then they could have done the regular surgical route and it wouldn't be as dangerous. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they say. Yeah, when really abortion pills are four times more dangerous for women's health than surgical abortions. Their argument would be like, yeah, exactly. So many women wouldn't be having to go for the abortion pill. Yeah, and that's what they've been saying. That's what they're saying with this woman in Georgia,

right? Where they're saying, I forget her name right now, but this woman in Georgia last month, remember in September, who died because they didn't perform a DNC quick enough to remove the floating, aborted, incomplete baby pieces from Miphypristone. Miffapristone is the first regimen of the abortion pill, and Misaprostol is the second regimen. So Miphystone cuts off the hormone progesterone. The nutrients is cut off through the umbilical cord and the baby starves to death. And then misoprostol forces the uterus to have contractions and you finish that abortion on your toilet in your home or at your dorm room. So you don't go back to the abortion clinic, right? So 63% of abortions last year, abortion pill. But how many abortions were performed last year?

Over a million. And those were the ones that only accounted for. So at least 630,000 babies had their bodies flushed down the toilet in the American sewage system. So literally our sewers run red with the blood of our children, and we wonder why we're under the judgment of God in America. And by the way, my audience knows that those chemicals, the aborted babies, the abortion pill that's all going into our drinking water, and we're all drinking it. And all those chemicals, estrogen, all of that, then you're consuming it. And then, you know, we have all of these problems, kids starting puberty early, all of

that. Yep, yep. So that's what's going on right now in the country regarding the abortion pill. And so what they're doing is they're now blaming pro-lifers and pro-life legislative efforts and pro-life movement for killing women because here's the argument. And this is what they said about this woman in Georgia, I mean, who tragically passed away. But my solution is ready for this? I know it's going to be super shocking. Like, don't kill your children. And you won't end up in a dangerous situation with your own health. Are you saying, Seth, that we don't have the right to orgasms without responsibility? And that all the lives. of the birth control movement. Oh, who coined the term birth control? Who coined that term? Margaret Sanger.

The founder of Planned Parenthood coined the term birth control. And she did not mean helping poor black and brown women plan their parenthood. She meant controlling the births of people I don't want to have children. Eugenics, Darwin, Hitler, birth control, birth controlling. Why were doctors, why were doctors refusing in Georgia to help this woman? So here's the story. Here's what happened. Oh, to see, that's an interesting. question. So firstly, the solution is maybe she shouldn't have tried to kill her children, and then she wouldn't have ended up in the situation. But she got a babysitter for her two other kids. She was pregnant with twins. She drove from Georgia to North Carolina with a friend. They hit traffic. She didn't make her appointment in time. So she couldn't get it because so many women

were coming in with appointments to kill their babies, driving out of state from more pro-life states into North Carolina. She came back home. She took the abortion pill. It led to an incomplete abortion, which happens a lot of the time with the RU-486 abortion pill. And then the doctors didn't perform a D&C quickly enough to remove the floating dead baby pieces that was giving her infections.

But did they not do it quick enough because of pro-life laws? Nope. And that's the lie about the whole thing. I just covered an article on my show, the Seth Gruber show, by the Atlantic. And it said, Dobbs is killing women. Dobbs, it was a court case that overturned Roviway.

And so that makes it go back to the states. And so Georgia had more restrictive laws. Really, we just need to ban it. You're not allowed to kill babies. But it had more restrictive, and she was past the point where she could kill her baby in Georgia. And so the argument now is that pro-lifers are killing women. Guys, listen, we've been hearing this for decades. I mean, the arguments, even back in the 70s and 80s, and you probably heard this one already,

it's almost identical to what the pro-aborts are saying in Georgia. If you ban abortion, women will be forced into dangerous back-alley abortions. clinic. But that's what I'm saying. And then their health and life will get more endangered. But could we say that? Because of pro-lifers. I have a solution. Don't kill your children. Of course. I tell you pro-choicer, you're a sexist because you assume women are so intrinsically weak of body, spirit, and soul that when faced with difficult life circumstances and the possibility of birthing a child, they just have no other choice than to go to a dangerous back-alley abortion clinic to kill their baby. No, no, no, no one's forcing them. No one's forcing them.

And if there is a degenerate deadbeat dad who's forcing her teenage daughter, then we should throw him in jail and remove him. But by and large, women choose to get abortions themselves. No one's, no one's dragging women into abortion clinics. Well, some pimps and sex traffickers do. But by and large, women who get abortions are choosing to get abortion. So the argument is you ban abortion and then if a woman does choose to seek a more dangerous route, which would be the abortion pill, the mat fault lies off. on her entirely. Oh, yes.

Don't kill your baby. Yes. Not that we should keep some abortion legal so that women don't seek out this other. So they say there's no such thing as no abortions. There's only safe abortions because women will always get abortions anyways. To which I say that's why you're a sexist because you assume women are so weak that they just have no other option but to resort to more dangerous abortions for their own health and life. On that argument, I want to get into the philosophy and the ideology behind that argument, if I may, because it's very faulty. It's very stupid. It's very asinine and it's very upside down. What they're saying is, okay, if you make abortion illegal, women will get them anyways. But now the abortions that they're getting anyways are more dangerous for them. So we should have kept it legal so it would have been safer for them. What they're saying is that because some people die trying to kill others, the state should make it safe and legal for them to do so. Let me give you an example, an analogy.

Analogies help. I like thinking analog. Oh, I didn't have coffee this morning. With analogies. Okay, let's say two bank robbers are cruised around Phoenix and they're robbing banks, something that is both illegal and immoral. It's illegal. You can't do that.

And it's immoral. You shouldn't steal from people. And they've successfully robbed several banks. In the process of running out of a bunch of cash out of a big Phoenix bank, a law-abiding citizen who conceal carries, pulls out his Glock 19, and he shoots one of the bank robbers in the calf. The guy falls down and starts bleeding out. His bank rubber buddy takes off in the getaway car

and leaves his buddy bleeding out. And then the liberals come out and say, Alex Clark, we need to legalize bank robbery because bank robbers are getting killed in the process of breaking the law and stealing from others. So to protect the lives of bank robbers? Or how about this one?

School shooters. That's a big thing that's how. happening right now. Yeah, let's really trigger the left right now, Alex. School shooters who, yeah, I'd like how sharp your brain is. You know where I'm going with this. Who go in to shoot kids in elementary schools because they're depraved demoniacs. And by the way, the solution to that is to get armed security guards with AR-15s outside every school in America. And let's see how many depraved disgusting child killers would go try to kill kids. So the solution to gun violence is more guns of law-abiding, obedient people who want to protect children at our schools.

We're really triggering the left with this episode. By the way, being pro-gun is pro-life. because the reason I carry is to protect innocent lives from those who would kill them, because I respect the sanctity of life. And when you try to kill someone else, you forfeit your right to life. And I or someone else will shoot you to protect the children. G.K. Chesserton once said, the true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him. Anyway, so these two school shooters, they start shooting up all these schools.

And one of them that they go into, there is a teacher who is illegally carrying, but, oh, well, and he shot one of the school shooters. Oh, my gosh. People who try to kill kids are getting killed. in the process of trying to kill kids. So then a liberal comes out, Alex, and says, we need to legalize school shootings so the school shooters don't get killed

in the process of killing kids. Who would accept the rationale there? So, because some people die trying to kill others, the state should make it safe and legal for them to do so. No, they shouldn't. If you mother are getting killed in the process of trying to kill your child, don't try to kill your child.

And we shouldn't legalize it to make it easier or safer for you to do so. So the argument that says we have to legalize abortion because if we don't, women will be killed in the process of obtaining dangerous illegal abortions, that argument assumes within the course of its rhetoric that the unborn child is not a full human person like we are. But the left, like they usually do, Alex,

never argues for their assumptions. They merely assume them. And C.S. Lewis once said, the most dangerous ideas in a society are not the ones being argued for. They're the ones being assumed. And you know what happens when you assume, right? What do the pro-life laws across America actually say? Are women being denied anywhere help for miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy?

Oh, gosh. Okay, that's so good. Let's go there. Really quickly, newsflash, people who murder children generally aren't disturbed in their conscience by lying. I know that's like really shocking to you that if you'll justify like dissecting, dismembering and ripping the limbs off of children, usually like a lie is not that big of a deal to you. The Bible talks about seared consciences, and God has given them over to the depravity of their thinking, Romans 1. So get ready. They've lied to you because people who kill children aren't troubled by lying. And so right after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, June 24, 22, it goes back to the states. And states can move to ban abortion, criminalize it, or if you're in California, Oregon, Washington, Kansas, unfortunately. No, no, not Georgia. Kansas, Michigan, Ohio, they've all moved to codify abortion into their state constitution

as a constitutional right, which means all pro-life legislative efforts would be dead on arrival in those states. And so in the heated political climate of July, August, and September of 2022, in the three months following the overturning Rovers is Wade, the abortion industry started lying. What? What was the first 50 minutes of this episode? All the lies that they've told you. they can keep profiting off of killing babies. And by the way, when they can't kill them,

they'll incite them to a sexual frenzy and confuse their gender identity because trans drugs for teens is now Planned Parenthood's fastest growing revenue stream. And they're the second largest provider of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones in the land of the free and the home of the brave, according to a leaked memo that I cited in my book, The 1916 project from last September of 2023. So they started dumping millions of dollars for campaigns and lies in the states where that fight was happening about whether abortion would become a constitutional right in Ohio Michigan, Kansas, or whether they would move to protect the preborn. And I, there lies about how, well, now that these states have a very restrictive pro-life laws, do you know what that means?

It means if a woman has a miscarriage, white pro-life Republican men want the child to rot in the uterus. White pro-life conservative men want the child to rot in the uterus. Because to remove the miscarried baby, Alex, the procedure is called a DNC. that's a dilation and curatage. Wait, but a DNC is a surgical abortion procedure. So technically, if your head is so far up your own rectum, it's coming out your face again, you would realize that that's an abortion.

And so then a mom who miscarries and the child's already dead, then you can't remove the child. And so pro-lifers want dead fetuses to rot in the mother's uterus, and it will be illegal to run. to remove the child? No, it's not. And then they said the same thing about ectopic pregnancies. That's when the baby implants in the fallopian tube rather than the uterus.

And when the baby implants in the fallopian tube, it begins to grow. Baby begins to grow. Left by itself, what happens? The fallopian tube will burst. Mom will bleed out internally and the baby does. So if you don't do anything in the cave of an ectopic pregnancy, Alex, what happens? You lose two lives. Right.

So it's always better to act to save one life than refrain from acting and lose two lives. But guess what? The surgical procedural name for removing the baby from the fallopian tube is not even an abortion. It's called a salpingectomy or a salpingostomy. You either remove the entire fallopian tube. But hopefully you can just create an incision in the fallopian tube and remove the fetus. By the way, fetus is the Latin word for offspring or small child. So the next time a pro-choice or chose, he's not a baby, it's a fetus. You guys can say, you're right. It is an offspring and it is a small child. A good use of an articulate language there, you leftist. So fetus is a small child. So guess what? That's not an abortion. Because abortion intentionally kills an innocent human being. Removing the child or delivering the child to save mom's life is not an abortion. And then you're hoping doing everything you can to save that child's life separately. And tragically, maybe that baby would pass away. But what's the intent in every abortion?

Exactly, to kill. And what's the intent in a salpingectomy or a salping gosomy or a DNC for a miscarried baby to save the mother's life? And lastly, on that lie really quick, it was so effective. The abortion industry was so effective in those lies. I'm dealing with women. I had pro-life people text me. Yeah. Seth, quick question for you.

The IVF stuff. Is it true that in states that have mostly banned abortion, that if my sister had an actopic pregnancy, that the pro-life laws would force her fallopian tube to burst? No, it's not true. My gosh. Dude, think for yourself for a second. And last thing I can do to prove that. Before 1970, well, actually the first state,

to legalize abortion were in 1970. I think it was Hawaii, Alaska, California, and North Carolina, if I remember correctly. But 1970 was the first states to legalize abortion before Roby Wade. In the 60s, when abortion was illegal in basically every state in America, if you had a miscarriage, guess what? An abortion was illegal. You could still remove the baby with a DNC because the child's already dead because it's not an abortion. And last thing, and this one, you're going to love this one, Alex. In that July of 2022, when that lie was taking off in more conservative states, and they were dumping millions to spread these lies to get otherwise pro-life people to vote for the abortion amendment because they didn't want their mom or sister to not have to have a dead

baby removed from their uterus. Planned Parenthood removed a line from their website. But thanks to the wayback machine, I have the screenshot. And I covered it at the time on my show, the Seth Grubber show. There was a line on Planned Parenthood's website before the overturning of Roversus Wade. And after the overturning of Roversus's Wade, it wasn't there anymore. And guess what that line said, quote, treatment for ectopic pregnancy is fundamentally different than treatment for abortion. Oh my gosh. These freaking demons. It's gone. The line's gone because they had to give credence and the appearance of intellectual rigor to the lies that their friends were funding in more conservative states. Okay. Did you see recently this video that went so viral from the opposite

side? They had clipped up this debate that Charlie Kirk had done with this group of like college girls or something like that. I caught some of it. And they were... From Jubilee. Yes, from Jubilee. And they were like not afraid. I mean, they had their arguments.

And anyway, they were just... Most stupid people are pretty courageous. Yeah, well, that's a good point. So this viral video goes crazy on TikTok and on X of Charlie, debating this room full of college girls. The clip, it's one of the most viral clips of Charlie I've ever seen. I saw it. It had to have been like 80 million views, but it was all people saying that it was like

him getting owned. I saw that. Tell me what happened in the exchange. What happened in the exchange was the girls, of course, their gotcha is. So Charlie, you have a daughter. If your daughter were to become pregnant, you know, as a child or a teen, would you expect her to go through with that, that pregnancy and carry that child to term? And he said, yes, I would. And they just lost it. And people were just tweeting this like, what a ghoul. I thought it was ironic that they were saying, you know, that was the most ghoulish thing that they'd ever seen, these pro-choice people. So I was wondering, if you saw that clip, do you feel like Charlie answer that question correctly? And are pro-lifers expecting 11-year-old girls to carry babies to term? So yes, yes, and yes. I think he did a good job.

By the way, I actually trained Charlie to say, here's two pictures of an unborn baby. One was conceived in rape. One wasn't. Which one? Which one was conceived in rape? And he's done that very effectively. Yeah, he did. He said, all these people in this room, which one was, she goes, I can't answer. that. Exactly. Boom. Gotcha. Yeah. But I'll add a little more to that. But it was interesting to me that they thought their, that their side had won that debate. I know. And then we thought Charlie won.

Yeah, well, G.K. Chesterton, you know, said this about these kind of leftists. They combine a hardening of the heart with a sympathetic softening of the head. And that's basically who we're dealing with. Okay. So hard hearts, soft heads. Okay. That's basically a great explanation for the modern left today.

But listen, there was this story that the left was sharing right after the overturning of Roviway 2. And it was like an 11-year-old. And whether it was true, actually there were some people saying, is this true or is this a made-up story? But of course, there are horror stories that happen sometimes? I'm not discounting that. Are there circumstances where an 11-year-old gets raped by their uncle or a 12-year-old and gets pregnant? Yeah, that happens. It's not very common, but that happens.

But that is not the child's fault. You don't kill Timmy for the crimes of his father. You don't slaughter children for the crimes of their father. Okay, that's wrong, immoral, and evil. and super anti-Christian and anti-biblical. Children should not be punished because daddy did something wrong. But they're like, okay, but this is a child who didn't ask for that, and now she's got to go through a nine-month pregnancy and body changes?

If her hips are too narrow and she has dangerous, danger, like if she could die giving birth, we've already answered that question earlier in the show. If doing nothing and these circumstances are super rare. Okay, here's a great question, by the way, to ask people who use rape and incest, as a justification for legalizing abortion. Ask them, if I give you rape and incest for just a second, will you join me to fight to end the 99% of all other abortions that aren't from cases of rape?

Guess what they always say, Alex. No, to which I say, then why are you hiding behind rape victims to make yourself look more compassionate? I have more compassion for victims of sexual assault. Do you know why? Because I support policies to chop that guy's balls off and put him in prison for life. I think public hangings should maybe be made great again.

I do too. I think if you rape or sodomized children, I think you should be hung from the public square the next morning for the entire community. I agree. Let's bring back public hanging. Let's bring back public shaming. I want that little wood thing that you put your arms through your head through. And like, you have to, someone has to sit there all day in the town square and everybody can mock them.

And by the way, for people who freak out right now, and go like, welcome to Christian nationalism of Alex Clark and Seth Gruber. Like, let me just say really quick, I know God says justice is mine declares the Lord's vengeance as mine, but that doesn't mean that the state bears the sword in vain. The apostle Paul says that. He says that the state does not bear the sword in vain, meaning there's a reason why the state

bears the sword to be a punished to evildoers and to encourage the good, to protect the innocent. So that's the role of the state. That's very important. We have to support those kind of things because guess what? Less children will be raped when we have good policies. I support legislation and policies for castrating rapists and for putting them in prison for life. And I'm willing to consider the death penalty. Okay. Does this? The left support those kinds of policies to be compassionate to the victim of sexual assault and make sure that that dude never touches another child. No, they don't. They always support policies to spring criminals from the clink and get them back out onto the street committing more crimes.

Kamala Harris tweeted out a link of a fundraising link for BLM protesters and rioters from 2020 to pay their bail. I mean, come on, guys, this is not complicated. Like, we support the policies that, because part of compassion is justice. And part of justice is punishment. And part of punishment is a disincentive for other men who see how that guy got punished to not do what he did. But the visceral image that women voters get hung up on is this idea that even if it is a one in a bajillion chance

of a child carrying a child, they can't, that is where they're like, I draw the line, I can't expect a child to carry it. But our value does not come from the circumstances of our conception. How about this? If a mother can't kill her rapist who is guilty, why should she be allowed to kill her unborn child who is just as innocent as she is?

So obviously, Seth is like an encyclopedia of knowledge. I mean, I've just never even, I don't even understand how you remember all of this. It's so impressive. But you've got to watch the 1916 project. And where can people find your podcast, social media, all of that? Yeah, Seth Gruber official on Instagram, YouTube channel, Seth Gruber Show, Rumble, because eventually YouTube might digitally assassinate me. And any audio podcast platform is just called the Seth Gruber show. We do two episodes a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays and Thursdays. We got to get you on to talk about birth control and some of the incredible research and factoid and stuff you have as well. And so, yeah, 40,000 YouTube subscribers growing, but people are waking

up. But the White Rose Resistance is my ministry. We're now the fastest growing pro-life organization in America. And we were launched by and for the church. And so we're doing these screenings around the country, which then leads to launching our resistance chapters around the country. We've launched in Boise, Southern California, Denver. And then we're launching in Florida, We launched in Florida last month in September, and we're launching in Fort Worth this month in October, culminating in a conference the day before the March for Life, called Life or DeathCon,

because we're establishing bold new intellectual thought leadership in the Pro-Lic Movement, culminating in something in June that I want to invite you to speak at right now here on your show called The Last Stand. We're getting 10,000 people in Southern California. We're going to pray. We're going to worship. We're going to repent.

We're going to hear speakers, and we're going to mobilize to take action. We booked Charlie, Jack Gibbs, Eric Metaxis, Ali Best Stuckey, John Cooper from Skillett, Danny Goki, Nancy Piercy, Dr. George Grant, several other pastors. I'm working on getting Tucker right now. Any help you can give. That would be appreciated. I want to book you. And we're gathering 10,000 people to mobilize the church in a season of the last stand. We're in a season of the last stand because of these ideas and what it's done to the American culture. Those ideas do not stay in a box. They do not stay isolated. They infect everything.

That's right. And if we don't stand up against it and learn to say no, as the American American people and as the church, those ideas will one day come and knock at your front door. And they will end up destroying the liberty and freedoms that you've taken for granted in America because we stand on the shoulders of giants and we think that we're flying. We forget the cost at which these rights and liberties come. So tickets aren't available yet, but you can go to the last stand.com. The website's already up. The last stand.com.

And you can put in your email to get the early tickets when they go for sale. And it's going to be one of those culturally formative shaking events that I think if the church wakes up and we mobilize from this, we could fundamentally transform the culture forever and take back our strategy of disciplining the next generation to be salt and lighten the culture. See, normally I ask a guest to wrap the episode, what would be your remedy to heal a sick culture? I feel like you just answered that. Beautiful.

Thank you so much, Seth, for coming on culture apothecary. Thank you. Last thing. The1916 Project.com. Go buy the book. Go host a screening at your church. It's going to rip your face off and give Alex Clark a ton of subs on YouTube. Keep her from being digitally assassinated, and thanks for being a warrior.

I need to enter a vegetative state for six months after this interview. So phenomenal, but I don't know where I am. I don't know what year it is. I'm like in between space and time. Like just so much happened. So much has just radically wrecked me that I just need time to process. I got to go non-verbal. episodes every Monday and Thursday, 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern. The next episode that comes out

is with somebody I have been so incredibly excited to have. She is a powerhouse in dismantling the corruption in food and pharma understanding ingredients. Just basically all of the basics, a lot on glyphosate and GMOs, which I really haven't touched on on the show yet. Just someone I have been excited to have on for months and somebody that I have created a really sweet friendship with outside of the show. So be looking forward to that. Please leave a five-star review for this episode. Share it everywhere. My name is Alex Clark. This is Culture Apothecary.