Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - Two Faced: Secrets The Makeup Industry Hides | Beauty Lawyer Whitney Ray Di Bona

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Whitney Ray Di Bona is a toxic product injury attorney turned advocate for low-tox living. After representing women harmed by the beauty industry, she committed to spreading awareness about toxic products and risky procedures. Tune in to learn which beauty treatments to avoid, the hidden dangers of Botox and fillers, red flags ingredients, why plastic surgery can be a huge risk, and how to stay safe in the beauty industry's legal landscape.Join the biggest conservative movement in the country!AmericaFest | Use code “ALEXCLARK” for 25% OFF General Admission at amfest.comThank you to our sponsors!Taylor Dukes Wellness | Use code "ALEXCLARK" for 10% OFF Natural Sloth | Use code "ALEX" for 15% OFF Squeezed Juice | Use code "ALEX" for 25% OFF ⁠⁠Masa Chips⁠⁠ | Use code "REALALEXCLARK" for 20% OFF ⁠⁠YRefy⁠⁠ | Call [phone] or visit ⁠⁠https://yrefy.comWhitney Di BonaInstagram | @lowtoxlawyer Tiktok | @lowtoxlawyerBeauty Justice with Whitney Di BonaApple Podcasts Spotify Alex ClarkInstagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠New 'Culture Apothecary' Merch OUT NOW! Glass tumblers, weekly wellness planners, hats, crewnecks and more. Use code "Alex Clark" for 10% OFF at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tpusamerch.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Cuteservatives Facebook group to connect with likeminded friends who love America and all things health and wellness! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the CUTEservative Facebook Group!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.This show is made possible with generous donations from listeners who believe in our mission to heal a sick culture.You can support our show by leaving a tax deductible donation, or by subscribing to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube for FREE! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠donate.tpusa.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠#cultureapothecary #alexclark #podcast 

We are getting so bombarded every single day with everything on social media telling us that we're not good enough and that we're not pretty enough and that you need this eye crane, you need this surgery, you need this labiaplasty, like whatever it is. And they're just really feeding off of our insecurities. Focus more on your legacy, not your lines. Yes. Whitney DeBona is a personal injury attorney specializing in the beauty industry, working to hold everyone from beauty brands to meds, spas accountable for harming consumers. She's going to teach us about everything from the most dangerous ingredients in our makeup to her favorite clean beauty brands in Sephora.

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Joining us on our mission to heal us at culture physically, mentally and spiritually is beauty lawyer Whitney DeBona on Culture Apothecary. What are the top five most dangerous luxury makeup and skincare brands if you had to choose? It's hard to say a top five because there are so many brands that have toxic ingredients in them. And it's sadly the majority of the makeup brands that are on the market. So I've been really open talking about Charlotte Tilbury, for one. That is kind of the makeup brand that I used to use. I used to use a lot of her products before I really started. diving into the ingredients. And the first thing that I realized was that all of her blush,

eyeshadow, bronzer, all of those products contained talc. So that was kind of like where I started. And then from there, I was looking at all of the other ingredients. And I realized that there's a lot of other stuff in there, too. And so then I started looking at all of the different makeup brands. And, you know, it's all of them, everything from the luxury brands to drugstore brands. I mean, Mabelene, L'Oreal, Revlon, all of these brands are using. ingredients that are toxic and potentially not safe. So it's hard to just pick top five because it's really still such a widespread problem. You're a beauty lawyer fighting for a cleaner cosmetic and personal care industry in America. Why was this an important direction for you to take in your

law career? When I kind of first started down this road, I was working for a law firm handling misophilioma cases. And when I first started there, the majority of my my clients were kind of your typical clients that you would think of when you think of asbestos exposure. So we're talking about construction workers and auto mechanics and men that served in the Navy or the Marines, people that worked in shipyards. You know, that's kind of like what we think of when we think about asbestos and mesothelialoma. And so a lot of my clients were older men, you know, they were in their 70s, 80s, 90s, and they had worked in these industrial careers. And at some point, point, we started signing a lot of clients who were younger and a lot of women. And so we were signing a lot of

clients, I would say, between 40, 50, 60, they didn't come from families where like the dad worked an industrial setting and could have been bringing home the asbestos on his clothing. Because when you take one of these cases, you really have to dive through somebody's entire life to figure out where are all the potential places that this person might have been exposed to asbestos. I'm getting these cases and I had to start kind of learning the whole talc story and how, you know, how do we prove these cases and how did these women get exposed? And the firm that I was working with, we started naming in these lawsuits a lot of makeup companies. We've all seen those talcum powder kind of lawsuit commercials on TV, but I just thought that that was only for baby powder. Me too. We started suing all of these

companies for things like eyeshadow and blush and bronzer and loose face powder and those types of products. And so in the discovery process, we started to uncover, you know, documents and we're seeing that these companies were making loose face powder for decades with talc that came from asbestos contaminated mines. That was what really like shook me to my core because I'm going, wait a minute, we're suing all these companies for these makeup products that I've grown up using, you know, cover girl face powder and, you know, some of these products that I've been using since I was a teenager. And so that was what really kind of started this whole journey for me, because then there was, there was one day where I was like, wait a minute, like, all of this

stuff has talc in it. And I need to go home and look at all of my makeup. And I went home and I'm going through all of my makeup products. And I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, Charlotte Tilbury, talc, Mac, talc, like all of these makeup products in my possession. contain talc. And so that was when I really started to look into, okay, well, talc is bad. I want to get rid of all the talc. And so I'm telling my sisters, my mom, I'm telling everybody that I know you need to get rid of the talc. And then I was like, well, if all of these things have talc and talc is bad and can potentially be contaminated with asbestos, what else is in my products? Yeah. And so that was where I started the deep dive into going, okay, what other chemicals are

here, what do I need to learn about and what do I need to avoid? Would people be shocked by how loosely regulated the American beauty industry is? Shocked. I had no idea that the FDA does not require our beauty products to be tested for safety before they go on the market. I thought that was their job. That's what I thought as well. And it is not their job, apparently. They kind of put that off on the companies and they're expecting that these companies are testing the products and making sure that they're safe before they put them on the market. But I think we all know what happens when we put all of our faith and trust in these big corporations. They don't care about our safety. They don't care about, you know, potential carcinogens and, you know, the potential health

impact that some of these products have. And in fact, we know and I know from lawsuits that I've seen, you know, these companies will go through great lengths to cover up. up any type of negative safety data that they might come out and learn about, they're going to cover that up because they don't want people to know about it. They don't want to have to spend the money to make the products safer. Do you have an example of like a big cosmetics industry that you know like, oh, they did a massive cover up on a big issue? Well, I mean Johnson and Johnson. They've known since the 1970s that their baby powder contained asbestos. Baby powder, Powder that is being, you know, marketed for moms to put on their babies.

And there is, you know, substantial evidence going back at least to the 1970s where they knew. And they did nothing to warn the public to change their products to make them safer. What was happening to those children who used the baby powder? Well, at the time, nothing. But what's happening now is all of these people are being diagnosed with mesothelioma. So many women have been diagnosed. diagnosed with ovarian cancer from using baby powder. I didn't grow up with like powder wearing. My mom wasn't really a big powder person, but powder people are like powder people. And they use baby powder

everywhere. People use it as deodorant. They'll put it like in their underwear, their bra. Just they like basically get out of the shower and bathe themselves from head to toe in baby powder. The powder people. The powder people. Yeah. I just, I didn't know that I guess powder was used. I just thought it was baby powder was people used it to diaper babies. But with all the clients that I've represented, men and women, I've learned that there are so many men who used baby powder and still do. They're probably using it on their balls. Yes, using it everywhere. So those are always fun depositions. I'm not talking in lawyers speak. I'm like, he's putting it on his balls. Well, they definitely did. And in private areas and women too, you know, would like dump it in their underwear.

So that's always like a fun conversation at a deposition to have your client have to describe. And then how did you apply the powder into your underwear? Oh, gosh. But this is very common. And so the thing with asbestos exposure and mesothelioma is that it's a disease that takes many, many years to develop. And so basically you breathe in the asbestos fibers. They go down and embed themselves into the linings of your organs. and then it can take 10, 20, 30, 40 years before it actually develops into the disease.

Whoa. So that's why we still have these people that are getting diagnosed with mesothelioma right now where, you know, they were using these products 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. And that's just kind of the nature of this disease. So, you know, like I said, at the time, nothing was really happening to these people. But Johnson and Johnson knew what would. happen to these people if they didn't get the asbestos out of their products, but they didn't. They actually just switched over to talc-free products completely.

So now if you buy Johnson and Johnson powder, it's going to be made with cornstarch. But that has just happened in the last like two or three years. Can you share any big names of companies we know that you've helped with lawsuits? Cover Girl, Mabelene, Avon. We're seeing a lot of women who worked as Avon ladies and, you know, sold the Avon products. A lot of their stuff was contaminated with asbestos. They actually just filed for bankruptcy protection on those cases. So is this how they get out of it?

It's how they get out of it. And that's exactly what Johnson & Johnson has been doing now. They have filed bankruptcy multiple times claiming that they're bankrupt. I mean, Johnson and Johnson is a billion dollar, multi-billion dollar corporation. We know that they're not bankrupt. It's a little tactic called the Texas Two-Step where they basically make a new company. They assign all of their bad liabilities to that company. and then they file for bankruptcy on that company.

They've done this multiple times. The bankruptcy courts keep throwing these out and saying, no, Johnson and Johnson, you're not bankrupt. But they continue to do it over and over again. And in the meantime, we have thousands of men and women who have developed these diseases, have found out that they're diagnosed with these terminal cancers. And they're just waiting.

They're waiting for justice. they're waiting for compensation for their medical bills for the pain and suffering that they've gone through. And, you know, there's really no end in sight to it. And it's despicable. Is Mary Kay any better than Avon? No. Mary Kay, I would say also, I know that they've been named in some talc lawsuits. I haven't personally represented anyone in a Mary Kay case, but I know that there are suits against them as well. And right now it's also, I mean, this is kind of newer litigation when we're talking about a lot of the makeup companies. So we're still learning. Like, we don't have all the documents. We don't know where all of these companies were sourcing their talc from or

where they're still sourcing their talc from. Have you looked into any of these big new celebrity beauty brands that are at Sephora to see if some are better than others? Like, you've got Fenty beauty. You've got Selena Gomez rare beauty. Ariana Grande has a line now. Are any of them, like, maybe a little cleaner than another? I haven't done like a side-by-side comparison. I know Fenty Beauty back a long time ago when I first started doing all this. I made a real, probably like one of the worst reels I've ever made. I think it was one of the first reels I ever made. It was the year, whatever year she performed at the Super Bowl, but I went through a bunch of her products and it was all like horrible stuff. I think at the time, and maybe she's changed that now, but at the time,

she was still using like paraben's in some of her products, which at this point, I mean, anybody that is still using paraben, like, why are paraben's bad in your makeup? So parabens are, we know that they can be endocrine disrupting. And so they're basically messing with your hormones. They mimic estrogen. And nobody has really studied in depth the effect that that can have on our bodies. What kind of names do parabins have on the ingredient label? So it will end in the word paraben. It would say like methylparaben or beautiful. paraben or something. There's like a bunch of them, but it will end in paraben. The majority of companies are jumping on the paraben-free bandwagon and making products that do not contain parabens. And so any

company that is actively avoiding parabens, they're putting that on the product. So it's pretty easy to look at a product and they'll have it listed right on the front and it'll say paraben-free. If it doesn't say that, it probably has paraben in it. So if you are looking at your makeup, besides talc and paraben's, what other ingredients? If it says this, you've got to throw it away right now. I would say fragrance is huge. A lot of people don't realize that fragrance is an ingredient listed on a lot of makeup products because we think of fragrance like, oh, that's perfume or something scented. No, it's in the powders. I mean, I'm thinking of the two-face chocolate salet bronzer smells like chocolate. Yeah, but some of them that don't smell like anything also have fragrance in

then. And so those are the ones where it's kind of sneaky because some makeup products, like, they might have a funny smell or whatever. And so they're coming up with whatever concoction they're creating to make the product not have a funny smell. It's all going to be under that umbrella phrase, fragrance. So it's going to say fragrance on there, but fragrance could contain like a thousand, two thousand different chemicals. And they don't have to disclose. They don't have to tell us what is in that fragrance because it's protected under trade secret laws. So, I always look for fragrance. If the company doesn't specifically disclose what is in their fragrance, then I'm not going to use it and I'm not going to buy it.

What about skincare? What ingredients are really dangerous in skincare products? I think the same thing. I always look for fragrance in my beauty products, skincare products, really in anything, even if we're talking about shampoos, lotions, anything like that. Do dyes matter? Yeah, I think avoiding synthetic dyes. This is one of those questionable things because a lot of the clean beauty brands still use synthetic dyes in their products. So some of your big brand clean products that you're going to find like at Sephora, they're avoiding a lot of these specific chemicals, but then a lot of the lip products are still going to contain synthetic dyes.

And so if you're looking on the label of a lipstick or a lip gloss, if it says, you know, lake, what, whatever, it has like the color on it. That's what's in the lineage lip balm. Yes. So that's a petroleum derived synthetic dye. So would you use that? So I have used some of those. But now I have found that there are brands that are making lip products that do not use

the synthetic dyes. They color them with other natural ingredients. And so I've been looking for more of that lately because the more I learn about, you know, lipstick, you're putting that directly on your lips and you're licking your lips and you're ingesting that lipstick. So, you know, a lot of this stuff just kind of comes down to, like, personal preference and what you're comfortable with. So you buy organic coffee, but you're still stuck on the same toxic creamer compromising how clean your coffee really is. If you're still putting engine lubricant in your coffee that's full of gums, thickeners, fake or added sugar,

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and use code Alex for 15% off completely non-toxic candles. That's natural sloth.com with code Alex for 15% off. I never hear anybody talking about the nail industry in the non-toxic world. Is there such a thing as a truly non-toxic nail polish? I know that there are nail polish companies that are making cleaner polishes. The problem with the nail industry, and I know that this is a huge concern for, women that actually work in nail salons is that a lot of the nail products are they contain formaldehyde releasing agents. And so that's a huge concern for, you know, women that are working in these nail

salons every day being exposed to all of this formaldehyde, which we know is carcinogenic. Every time I go to the nail salon, and I mean, I have the luxury of like being in Arizona, besides a couple months of the year, it's too hot. You have to just have every, you know, all doors close. air conditioning on. Most of the year, it is beautiful here. And so it's just like nice weather all the time. And I, if their doors are closed, I'm like, hey, do you mind if we keep these doors open and prop them open? Because the fumes in there, I absolutely loathe getting my nails done. Pedicure is different. Like, that's nice. But I don't know about you. I hate getting my nails done. It just sucks. You can't eat your hands. And so the whole time I'm sitting there, I just like, I feel myself breathing

in these chemicals. And I'm like, get this over with as soon as possible. What about the hair care industry. Like what are the biggest dangers lurking in our shampoos or styling products? Again, going back to fragrance. I think that that is like the biggest thing. If I am scanning a product really quickly to see if it, you know, contains clean ingredients or it's something that I might want to buy. The first thing that I look for is fragrance. The other thing that I look for, the problem is with a lot of the preservatives that are used in these products. So we, whenever you have a product that contains any amount of water, which most of our skin care makeup, hair care products, they are water-based. And so when you have a water-based product, you have to add preservatives to it to keep it from molding.

Right. And so a lot of these synthetic preservatives, that's where we're finding out, okay, some of these are actually harmful. That's where the paribans, I mean, that's why they are included in these products because they're a preservative. So there's another preservative called phenoxyl ethanol. And this one is people got all up in arms about it because if you go into Sephora or Target or wherever and you're shopping in the clean aisle, you're still going to find a ton of products that contain phenoxyl ethanol. But there are studies out there that talk about phenoxyethanol being harmful. In what ways? What does it do to you?

So phenoxyl ethanol, there are studies out there that show that it is actually a neurotoxin. And there are studies out there specifically that talk about it being very toxic and harmful for babies, specifically. If you go in the baby aisle and you look at a lot of the baby products, you're going to see phenoxyethanol in those products too, which just kind of blows my mind. So anyways, phenoxylathenol is it's one of those, I think it's a better preservative than paribins, but it's still something that I would not consider to be a completely clean ingredient. And it's something that I look to actively avoid. So if I'm in the clean beauty aisle even, I'm going to scan the product. I'm going to look for fragrance. I'm going to see, are they disclosing what's in this fragrance? Is it synthetic fragrance or is it a natural derived fragrance? Because that's another thing that, you know, you can look for. A lot of these companies are making their products now with fragrance that is essential oils. Right. Which, you know, some people might have allergy issues or whatever, why they want to avoid essential oils. But for sure better. But it's for sure better than what are you using the scan? Did you scan? You have an app? I do my own scan where I just kind of look at the back of the product really quick. And I'm like, does it have fragrance? Does it have phenoxylethanol. And the other thing I look for is PEGs or pegs. So if you see that on a product, that's something else that I look to avoid. Those are ethosulated ingredients. And they have a risk of contamination with I4 dioxane, which is it's like a byproduct of the way that they, um, manoeuvre.

these products. Do you use hairspray? Yes. What hair spray do you use? I use Intersense hairspray. I was going to ask you about Intersense. I mean, as far as non-toxic hair care goes, do you trust them? I do. I think they're a great brand. I really like their products. I've tried a lot of the non-toxic hair brands and they're tough. Like some of them, you know, when you're used, If you're used to pantine ProV and that, you know, smooth kind of feeling that you get from using those types of products, when you try to switch to the clean natural products, it can be tough. But InterSense is, I think, the best brand that I have found that works for my hair that still feels kind of like a luxury shampoo brand. Besides cosmetics and skincare, you're also doing a lot of lawsuits for plastic surgeons, plastic surgery offices on behalf of patients, med spas. So my question is, are there any laser treatments that you can get that you are like, okay, it's not only safe, it also gives amazing results, highly recommend.

When it comes to the lasers. So I have had lots of women reach out to me with burns, problems, issues from a lot of these lasers that we see out there. Like the BBL laser is super popular. I am very scared now. Just I have seen too much. much. Like I have gone down, I've gone down a pathway that I can't, you know, I can't get out of. But I think the one thing that I would still do and recommend if you're going to a safe, reputable provider is just regular microneyedling. I'm out on the RF micromanetling now. That scares me. What's the difference between micronylaling and RF micronealing? So RF micronetaling involves a heat. They basically are using a really high heat intensity along with the microneedling. And they say that it's supposed to give you like a tightening effect to your skin. I've seen and heard too many people saying

that it causes fat loss, especially when you're using it in your face. Oh, that's like a no way. So if they go too deep with the needle, you know, somebody uses the wrong setting on your face, like that can be a big problem because we want the fat in our face. I've been wanting to try microneedling now for a while. I haven't done it yet. It's on my list. of things I really want to do. Yeah, I think microneedling is great. And you get that. Yeah. Okay. I haven't done it in a while, but I have done it. Well, people need to watch on YouTube because Whitney's gorgeous and like super trending and cute. So like, I trust you. Like you saying like, this is safe or do this. Like, you know what you're talking about. I saw on social media that

you this summer were going back and forth between should I continue getting Botox or not. Tell us the pros and cons. And if it is as bad as some people say it is in the crunchy space, This is something that I have been battling with. I still have been hesitant to like fully come out and say like I'm never getting Botox again. And I think it's more of just the fear of like what is my face going to look like if I just stop getting it. But I haven't had Botox. So March was the last time that I had any Botox in my face. So it's it's all worn off by now. And I'm like, okay, I'm right. I'm okay. You know, um, it. ask me again in like two or three years. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see how things go. But I interviewed on my podcast earlier this year an attorney named Ray Chester. And he is an attorney who sued Allergan, who makes Botox in a bunch of different cases where all of these men and women and also children were severely injured by Botox. So, you know, I'm researching, oh, what's in my mascara, what's in my, you know, lotion, whatever. The whole time I'm going and getting,

Botox injected it into my face. And I just kind of kept telling myself, if you just do a quick Google search of Botox, like, does Botox cause cancer? I think like one day maybe I had searched that. And immediately it pops up and it's like, no, Botox is safe, you know, whatever. That's what the AI will tell you and, you know, just spit that out. So I had just justified it in my head like, okay, Botox is fine. It doesn't cause cancer. There's no like major issues with it. And then I just kind of didn't look into it any further because I just, I think I just really didn't want to know. So I brought Ray Chester on and I talked to him and he really went in depth about these cases that he handled and the severe, you know, life debilitating injuries that some of these people sustained from

Botox. And I'm going to say that, and he even said this, that the majority of those cases were people who were getting Botox for therapeutic medical purposes. So they were getting really high amounts of Botox injected for whatever the medical treatment or medical condition was that they were using it to treat. Like migraines or sweating. Migraine sweating. There are, there are a ton of medical conditions that they are using Botox to treat. And so in those cases, typically they're using way higher, you know, dosing. And that's how people end up getting the Botox poisoning. He also talked about his. one client. He had multiple clients, but there was one specific client. She was like a doctor and,

you know, just went in for regular run-on-the-mill Botox cosmetic injections. She got something like 60 units or like a very normal amount of Botox and ended up like her entire life was ruined. She literally could not be a doctor anymore. Like it completely destroyed her life. And so he kind of told me the story about his client. And then I started digging more. And if, you go online, you're going to find these groups where there are thousands of women who are reporting that they have had these terrible, terrible side effects from Botox injections. And there's a one particular page that I follow. It's like Never Talks on Instagram.

They might be on Facebook too. But, you know, the stories of these women on that page. And I've had women reach out to me ever since I started kind of speaking up about Botox and just telling me like what happened to them. And so I think that a lot of this again is being, I don't want to say hidden, but it's like I never knew any of this stuff and I've been getting Botox for like 10 years. So you really have to dig to find this information. And once you find it and you really kind of look into it, I don't know. I just sit here and I'm like, does the risk outweigh the reward? And I think that that's the thing that we have to always look at when we're looking at any of these cosmetic treatments.

Like, do I hate these wrinkles on my forehead so badly that if I got this horrible, you know, neurological, debilitating condition from getting Botox? Like, does that outweigh the benefit of not having any wrinkles? The conviction, y'all, it's fierce. Now, I have not gotten any Botox injections for a little overreactions. a year now. So I had to stop. And you look great. Well, thank you. It's, it's, um, things are starting to go, a little haywire and I've got the frownies sitting on my bathroom counter and I have yet to gain the confidence to figure out how to do it. Oh my gosh. You have to use them. I'm just like intimidated, but I'm going to interview the founder. And so I'm going to ask questions and I'm going to have

her like show me. I'm going to like go in the bathroom with her and have her show me what I'm, what I need to do. But, um, yeah. So I got an autoimmune disorder and then I think that was like the last thing that was overflowing my bucket and then I started having way worse symptoms. I think my body was like no more Botox. But here's the other thing I will say about Botox, because it does wear off after three months that we think we need to get it every three months. I really do think women, if you want to get Botox, can benefit from only getting it once or twice a year max. I don't think you need to go every three months. I think it helps your face relax and to such a state and train your face not to like fall into certain, you know, wrinkle patterns that,

like, you'll be good once or twice a year at the most, maybe twice if you're like way older and your wrinkles are deeper. Yeah. But, you know, 30s, I think you could totally get away with once a year. I completely agree with that. And I think I feel a little bit almost like lied to or like just very misled on the whole Botox thing because that's so true. Like any injector, they're going to tell you, you know, every three to four months, you better get back in there, you know. Yeah, because they're getting six, 700 bucks or whatever. Exactly. They want you like, get in here, get in here, get your Botox. They should be telling you other things that you could be doing or should be doing to take care of your skin in the meantime. And I think for so long, I think

my skin was just super dehydrated. I think I just wasn't using good skin care. I wasn't doing other things to help keep the wrinkles at bay that I could have been doing. And then, like you said, maybe just getting Botox once a year versus, you know, every three months. like clockwork. But yeah, I'm on the frownies train. I've been using the frownies very religiously, and I do, I think that they work. Really? Yes. And how long have you used them? So I quit doing Botox in like March, and I think I started using them probably in like April. So I don't use them every single night. I use them maybe like three or four nights a week. And I think, I mean, I don't know. No, you look fantastic. I mean, you don't have any resting. It's keeping the lines.

You don't have any lines. Yeah. And I will say, because it's like the more you go, the more you need to get. And so I think when I first started getting, and I did disport too. So disport is more units than Botox. But disport, I want to say when I first started getting it, I would maybe get like 60 units or something. The last time I went, when I got the bill, I was like, how many units did I just get in my face? And she was said 150 units.

And I'm like, how did we get from 60 to 150 units, you know? But it just creeps up on you. And the next thing you know, they're telling you not only do you need it in your forehead, you need it around your eyes, you needed to do it on your nose. You got to get the lip flip. People are putting it in their mass that are muscles. Like people are just everywhere in their neck. Everywhere.

And so it's, you know, it's very expensive. You're putting all of that toxic substance in your body. and it's just, it's a lot. There is absolutely no event in the conservative movement that compares to America Fest. 20,000-plus people gathered together celebrating a historic Trump win in sunny Phoenix, Arizona, December 19 through 22nd.

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Cool sculpting. What's wrong with cool sculpting? So cool sculpting is this machine that is supposed to freeze your fat. And so it's like these little applicator things and they'll stick it to different areas of your body. Usually they say like you can put it on your like stomach pooch or. People do it on their underarms or even on your chin. And it's supposed to freeze your fat and make the fat kind of like melt away. It has a horrific side effect called paradoxical adipose hyperplasia where instead of the fat cells shrinking, they actually expand and grow into like a tumor.

No way. Yes. And I'm like so ashamed to say this, but I did cool sculpting back probably like 10 years ago or something when it first came out. and everybody was advertising for it. It was like the latest, greatest thing. Every medspa was getting it. And I did it. Thank God, I didn't have that side effect happened to me. But I can tell you that nobody told me that was a possibility. And so many of these people that have had that happen have said the same thing. Like, nobody warned me that this was a side effect. Nobody told me that this could happen. And something else that we've recently found out about, this side effect is that the makers of the cool sculpting machine were actually kind of fudging the numbers on how often this side effect was happening and how many people were reporting it. There was a huge article done by the New York Times. I think it was like last year, maybe the year before that it came out where they really dug into, I think when they first were reporting

the side effect, it was something like one in 7,000 or 1 in 10,000 people, something like that. And this article in the New York Times said, no, that the numbers are actually closer to like one in three thousand or possibly one in one thousand. No way. Which that's a huge difference, right? And if you're going in to get this treatment done, someone should be saying, hey, just so you know, you know, one in three, even one in three thousand. Like that to me is kind of a high risk. And again, it comes back to that. You have to weigh out the benefit versus the reward of whatever you're going to get.

The girlies are not cool sculpting. No. Okay? The girlies are not cool scolding. No. Ever again. We're not doing cool sculpting. Vampire facials.

I think it's a very kind of harsh treatment. And I've heard mixed reviews about it. I've never done a vampire facial. But there was recently, I think the FDA came out and did a whole thing on it. But basically there were these women that had gone to this med spa for vampire facials and they got HIV. Because the med spa was using contaminated dirt. equipment. So that goes back to be careful where you're going kind of thing. So I don't want to say like, oh my gosh, if you get a vampire facial, you're going to get HIV. I think a lot of these non-invasive

treatments, honestly, are shams. So you need invasive if you're going to get results. And then you have a whole other set of risks that you're dealing with. That's a whole other set of risks. But yeah, I think so many of these med spas, you know, they're buying these machines, lasers, whatever they are, cool sculpting. There's also, you know, there's the fat freezing machines and then there's the fat melting machines where they'll heat your fat. What about this thing that shakes that you put on your tummy to give you abs? I tried that. Did it work? No. Well, did you get abs? No, I mean, not really. I don't know. I've never tried that one. But I just think so many of these non-invasive things, the medical professionals get sold on them because they have these reps for these,

whatever is like the newest, greatest thing. They come in. And they're like pharmaceutical reps and doctors. Exactly. And they're going to say, oh, my gosh, your patients are going to love this. They're going to get this fantastic result. So then the surgeon or the provider spends thousands of dollars to buy this machine. And then what do they have to do? They need to recover their cost.

So they're going to push it and they're going to tell all their patients to try it. And they're going to say it's the greatest thing in the world. And I just think the reality is most people that have tried non-invasive things. Like, did you really get that grade of a result? most people would say no. What clean beauty brands at Sephora are actually clean? I'm going to say this. So obviously, Sephora has its clean section. Okay. And they have their own set of, I think there's like seven ingredients or nine ingredients that they have banned. And so it's like phthalates and paribans and, you know, some of these things that we know are harmful and that people buying clean and clean products are generally looking to avoid. Like everybody's making up their own definition of what, clean is these days. That's the problem. There's no, the FDA hasn't come out with a standard definition or, you know, nobody, no government regulatory authority has said, this is what is clean or this is

what it's okay to use. So it's kind of everybody using their own personal judgment. For some people, you know, is it, is it better to go into Sephora or Target and buy something out of the clean section? Yes, because you at least know they're not going to use paribans and thallates and some of these other things. But I kind of have a little bit stricter of a standard. And so like I was talking about earlier with some of those preservatives that I try to avoid, like I will go in and I have to look for that. And it's not so easy to just say, well, ELEA, for example, is a clean brand because there are some products in the ELEA line that I probably wouldn't buy. So you almost have to look at every single product on a case by case and ingredient by ingredient basis. Okay, Cozaz.

Yes. So I love that brand. But again, is every single thing in their entire line completely clean? No, I think that they still use some like synthetic dyes and some of their stuff. So again, it just comes back to like, what are you comfortable with? Okay. There's people that are like, I don't want anything. Like if it's made from petroleum, I don't want it anywhere near my body. But then there's people that are like, well, if you know, if they're testing it, if they're doing third party testing and, you know, making sure that it doesn't have lead or it doesn't have this, you know. So not. at Sephora and also not makeup, but skincare, Agent Nautour. That is actually a very clean brand. I think that's a great brand for skincare. What brands are you using, skincare and makeup? Makeup, I'm using, I use the Kosis Foundation. I really love that and their concealer. I use a lot of the OG brand makeup products.

They have like a contour set that I love. There's a couple of brands like Jane Eyredale makes some great clean makeup. up. RMS is another one. I think those are probably kind of like my staple go-toes. And then skincare, I'm probably also going to have people coming after me for this, but oliveta. There's controversy with them. There's controversy. Because it's like, people are like it's an MLM and that's some people don't like that. Yes, exactly. I'm not a fan of that. But I, I mean, but you really do like it. Oh, I love it. And same thing. Like, I've never bought any kind of like MLM product and I kept hearing about it. And then people were asking me, especially when I started

talking about Botox because they were talking about that Botox in a bottle serum. So I was like, whatever, I'll just get it and try it. And I loved it. And that's what I've been using. What do women need to know about Tampax tampons? Well, first of all, it's not just Tampax. It's, you know, a lot of the brands because there was that recent study that was done. And it wasn't just tampacks. It was a lot of these organic tampon brands, although they didn't release and tell us which ones that showed that they contained all of these heavy metals and lead and all of this stuff. How long have women been using tampons and nobody ever thought to test them before for this? Nobody ever thought to like see if they're safe for us to be sticking inside of our bodies for, you know, seven days a week every single month.

I use Garnu, and I love them so much. They're a 100% organic cotton tampon pad company. I love them so much. I basically, most of the brands that advertise on my show, it's because I am loving and using the product, and we're beating down their door, begging them, like, what kind of deal can we make? You're a very small business.

We want you to advertise on our show because I'm using and talking about it and love it. And I think it's such an important product that I want my audience to know about it. So, like, I just, like, force them all to advertise. Like, I'm going to them. That's the thing. Like, people get all better.

Well, they're a sponsor. How can we really trust? I'm like, I mean, you can ask them. I, like, beg them to be a sponsor because I'm using it. But Garnu has been amazing to me. Okay. I need to try that one. Is this vaginal rejuvenation procedure that some people are getting actually tightening and beautifying down there? I have very mixed feelings about the whole vaginal rejuvenation phenomenon that is going on. a lot of these plastic surgeons are advertising for labiaplasties and, you know, it's something that I follow a ton of plastic surgeons just based on the things that I talk about. And so I see this advertised all the time. And it's just one of those things where I'm like, if you are having

like an actual problem down there, if you're in pain, if you, like, listen, all things can happen. after you have kids like, you know, lots of things can go on. And if you need surgical procedure to, you know, fix something that is actually a problem, then I have no problem with that. And I'm all for that. But I have a problem with plastic surgeons, people in the aesthetic industry, advertising for these procedures that probably the majority of women do not need. And it's like they're making us feel.

bad or insecure about something that we did not need to feel bad or insecure about. I think it's insecurities fueled by the porn industry. Yes, I do. I think that that has a lot to do with it. And sometimes I've said this before, but I'm like, unless your sole source of income is like, you know, your only fan's account, then like, why are you, why do you care? Why would you do that? Yeah. What your vagina looks like on, like, I don't know. I'm just like, who are you doing this for? By the way, men are never doing that. No. Men don't care. Their balls could be sagging. the ground. And do you think that they're going and getting like a ball lift or getting like, no. Remember that next time you're like super insecure about what's going on. Is clean perfume actually clean?

This again comes back to what are you comfortable with? Do you want to avoid all synthetic chemicals in your fragrance? And if so, you're looking at your only option is really using a straight essential oil. So a lot of people are doing that. They're making like these rollers with, you know, essential oils. They don't really last. You know, it's not going to last like a perfume is going to last. So you can kind of like keep it with you and carry it around with you and put it on all the time. Do you trust the dime beauty perfumes? I don't think that dime is a completely clean brand. I will say that. I don't know that I've actually looked at the ingredients in their perfume. So I don't know, I'm pretty sure that they use synthetic ingredients. And what I'm going to say about the synthetic ingredients is,

if you have a company. So there's one company, for instance, Henry Rose. Have you heard of that one? Yes. Okay. They, you know, have done extensive testing on a lot of the synthetic chemicals that they're using. And, you know, they talk about how initially when they started that brand, they wanted it all to be plant-derived natural ingredients, but they couldn't get it. Like, it just, you just can't get it to that high-quality perfume that people are used to when everything is. is a natural ingredient. So, but they've done extensive testing on those chemicals that they are using. And so, again, it all just comes back to like that personal preference thing of, am I comfortable with synthetic ingredients? Does this company actually perform safety testing on their synthetic chemicals that they're using? And are they releasing that to the public? If Santa doesn't drink raw milk, maybe he likes lemonade or Mandarin juice. There's more to Santa than just milk and cookies, okay?

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toughest product switches for me. I think the majority of people are sensitive to baking soda. And so a lot of the natural deodorants contain baking soda. And so people are always like, I try the natural deodorant and I broke out in this horrible rash and, you know, it was terrible. I'm going back to Dove. I'm going back to Secret. What I'm using right now is the Humble Brand. deodorant, that one is working for me. Deodorant is so personal and it's so individual to every single person. So I could find one that I'm like, I love this. This works great for me. Someone else could try it. I'm always hesitant to recommend deodorants because then people will try it and they'll be like, I got a rash. My sisters, they all hate me because like every natural deodorant. It's very

personal and that's why it's trial and error. The only two clean ingredient deodorant brands that I'm like, this works, this works, no issues are zebra and salt and stone. Okay. So the only two that I personally have dealt with. But then I have people in my audience are like, I like native. I like whatever. Which native, I don't think native is a clean brand. No, I don't trust native.

And I don't use any of their products. I think, again, is it better than dove or secret or whatever? Yeah, probably. Barely a step above. Yeah. But that's not one. And honestly, I don't even think people really like native. like a lot of the people that I've heard tried it.

I think it's terrible. And it didn't work for me. And I thought it was awful. But yeah, it's, I would just say keep trying. Keep, you know, moving forward. I've had the situation happen to me several times where I found one that I was like, oh, I love this. And I used it.

And then I was like, this is great. And I bought like three more just to have it stocked up. And then I broke out in a rash from it. Yeah. So sometimes it's kind of like a delayed rash. Something that I did recently because that happened to me. and I used hyperchloris acid spray, and I sprayed it in my armpits for a couple days, and it cleared up, and then I tried the deodorant again, and I've had zero issues. Before booking a major plastic surgery, what research should someone do on the surgeon?

It's tough because there's so much information on the internet about these surgeons that may or may not be true. A lot of it is kind of smoke and mirrors and stuff that's being put out by the surgeons themselves. I think there's a huge problem going on right now with advertising in the plastic surgery and also in the medspaal and the, you know, just the entire aesthetic industry. A lot of false advertising and misrepresentation that's going on. And so it makes it really, really hard for somebody to find a plastic surgeon or an aesthetic provider that is actually, you know, qualified. and reputable. So the first thing that I would say to do, if you're getting plastic surgery,

is make sure that you are going to a surgeon who is a board certified plastic surgeon. People think that if you have board certified on your website. It could be anything. Yeah, that it could be board certified muffin man and then try to do a BBL on you. Exactly. And that is what has been happening is,

you know, we've had situations where like a pediatrician, just decided, hey, I'm going to start doing cosmetic surgery, did liposuction on a lady and killed her. Holy smokes. That just recently happened. And there's so many cases like that. So people don't realize that anyone who is a medical doctor can perform cosmetic surgeries. What do you think about liposuction? I'm not against it. There's always a risk. There's always a risk. It's not something that you're seeing pop up like people are really getting messed up by. Yeah, no. I mean, some people do. Again, that back to who do you go to and all of that. But no, I'm not like nobody should ever get liposuction. It's terrible. I don't really feel that way about any specific plastic surgery. I know I've

spoken up about BBL surgeries in the past because that is a very, very dangerous procedure. And if it's not done by the right person, I mean, we had a huge epidemic in Florida where we had a ton of women who were dying from these BBL surgeries. And it became such a problem that they had to actually create this task force and make all these rules around BBLs and how they could be performed and how many they could perform in a day because there were surgeons in Florida who were lining women up and starting surgery at like 7 a.m. and then still operating on women, you know, starting surgeries at like 11 o'clock the same night. What? Yeah, it was insane. You would think that the surgeons would be like, hey, I'm going to put the patients first and I'm going to

be safe and responsible. But no, like the Florida regulators had, to step in and say, you're only allowed to perform three of these in a day. You know, it's too dangerous. So yeah, there's been a lot of issues with BBLs. Going back to what I was saying about the plastic versus cosmetic. So the cosmetic, you can be a board certified cosmetic surgeon, but that's like a completely separate board certification that's kind of been made up by plastic surgeons who did not go to school for plastic surgery. So maybe they went to school for something else. And then they decided that they wanted to do cosmetic surgery. So that's kind of like a separate certification. And you really want to know and understand the difference before

you hire a plastic surgeon because there's a huge difference in the training and everything that the board certified plastic surgeons have gone through versus a board certified cosmetic surgeon. If someone has found themselves in a situation where they believe that a beauty procedure or a cosmetic product has seriously harmed them, what are their options? That's going to depend on a lot of factors, but definitely speak to a lawyer, talk to a personal injury attorney, whether or not you're going to be able to take action or bring a suit is going to depend on a lot of different things. For instance, going back to Botox, so somebody who gets injured by Botox, you're going to have very little recourse at this

stage in the game because Botox now has FDA approved black box warning on all the products. And they have all these warnings. And those warnings, those warnings are. get passed on to the providers. And then the provider is supposed to be passing on those warnings to you as the patient. It kind of insulates the manufacturers of a lot of these drugs and devices from lawsuit. So if it's a situation where they already have a warning on the product and, you know, it's deemed to be an adequate warning. When they pass that product off to the medical provider, it's like, okay, well, now it's on you. You know, our hands are clean now. Whatever, whatever this device that we made does to you, that's not my problem anymore. That gets kind of transferred off of them. And then in terms of plastic surgery lawsuits, you know, that's a whole different game or if it's a suit against the actual medical provider. A lot of those cases, it comes down to, did you get proper informed consent? Did the surgeon sit down and tell you these are all the risks of this surgery? Did they have you properly sign, you know, the informed consent forms. Something that when I started looking into these cases, I was really

shocked to find out is that a majority of plastic surgeons and the state of Florida and also a lot of other states are not required to carry medical malpractice insurance. So you go to a plastic surgeon, they bought you, they hurt you, kill you, God forbid. You find out after the fact that they have zero medical malpractice insurance, you might have very little recourse and you're going to have a very hard time finding an attorney that's going to take that case because they could take the case and they could fight that plastic surgeon and try to get you money, but you're basically going after the plastic surgeon's like personal assets at that point. And they might not have any assets to go after. So there's been a lot of situations where women have reached out to me and I've tried so hard to

figure out a way, like what can we do? And there's like nothing? And there's nothing. Oh, that's terrifying. That's really sad. That's really important information, I think, right there to remember. With your line of work, would it have been like your dream client to get the McDonald's coffee lady or the Gorilla Glue Girl recently in the last couple years that like use Gorilla Glue's hair gel? Oh gosh. Some of those cases that are super high profile like that, I almost think it's like, oh gosh, do you want that case? Because then you're painted in such a light. And there's so many things like the McDonald's coffee case, I think people just have that in their mind. That was this frivolous lawsuit and like this woman, you know, she just spilled a little cup of coffee and then now she's a billionaire. And that's not true. And actually, if you really dive into the facts of that case, McDonald's was extremely negligent. There had been multiple very serious injuries reported of people getting like burned. I'm talking like third degree burns. We're not talking about, oh, it was hot. You know, wasn't it like down to her bone? Yes. It literally like melted. She was like an elderly lady. It like melted her skin off. And it was really, really a horrific injury. And when they dug into it, it was like, well, McDonald's knew.

You shouldn't be selling coffee out of a window that is hot enough to melt somebody's flesh off. So, you know, those. I laugh, but no, but. It's been long enough. It's been enough time. Yes, yes. Time has passed now. But, you know, people just get such a negative, like, idea of some of these cases without actually knowing all of the facts.

So would I have represented her, of course. I would have represented her. If you could provide one remedy to heal a sick culture physically, mentally or spiritually, what would yours be? I would say, and this is really for all of the women, is try and learn how to love yourself and accept yourself the way that you are. We are getting so bombarded every single day with just everything on social media, advertisements, all these different things. telling us that we're not good enough and that we're not pretty enough and that we need, you need this eye cream, you need this surgery, you need this labiaplasty, like whatever it is. And they're just really feeding off of our insecurities.

That's something recently that I've really been dealing with myself. And I'm not saying, like, I love my, you know, 10-step skin routine. And I love, like, trying all of the fun beauty things. And I think it's all, it's all great and fun. But I just wish that we could all stop putting so much emphasis on that and focusing more on just like the good that we can do in the world. Focus more on your legacy, not your lines. Yes. Yes.

You should brand that. I should trade market. I can help you file it. That's great. I love that. Where can people follow you on Instagram? And also, you're going to be doing a giveaway with some of your favorite non-toxic beauty skincare brands for my. audience. So they need to follow you. What is it? Yes. And they can follow me on Instagram and TikTok. I'm trying to

get my TikTok going. But it's Lotox Lawyer. You also have a podcast. Talk about your podcast. I do. So I have a podcast. It's the beauty justice podcast. We're actually, we're rebranding everything right now. It was beauty justice. We're rebranding to Lotox lawyer. But yeah, I have a podcast. And, you know, I interview, like, the attorney I was talking about with Botox. And I've had plastic surgeons on the show and just a lot of different things dealing with kind of legal and beauty and safety. So yeah. I love the beauty podcast like that. I also love this one. It's like between two girls that used to be like beauty editors at magazines. And they just talk about like which what new trends, like what new products are like crushing it, amazing worth it, which ones are like absolutely terrible. I love that. I love listening to stuff

like that. How can somebody reach out to you for legal matters? So they can find me. We're again, redoing our website right now, but lowtox lawyer.com. They'll be able to reach out to me through there. I also have a link in my bio on Instagram. So if anybody has a case, they can reach out to me through there. They can reach out to me through Instagram. I'll give you a free case evaluation. And if it's not a case that I can help you with, I can probably refer people to somebody that can help them. I told you this before we started recording, but I came across you on social media. I sent you to my team. I said, this is such a unique career. She has such unique expertise. I think it's perfect for my rebrand. It's perfect for my audience. I thought, I thought this was such a fun, different type of

conversation on the show. So thank you, Whitney, for coming on Culture Apothecary. You're welcome. Thanks for having me. This was fun. The cool sculpting stuff better go viral because that is some of the most mind-blowing information I have heard about anything in the beauty industry that's causing harm. New episodes come out every single Monday and Thursday at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern. You can listen to this podcast anywhere you get your podcast. Just subscribe to Culture Apothecary. Make sure you're actually subscribing or following the show. And then leave a five-star review. This is a free way to really help other people discover the show, makes us look credible to potential future guests. And yeah, my bosses read them. So, you know, leave a nice little compliment of how you found us and

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