Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - “Was Baby Yoda A Diva?” - Getting To Know Gina Carano

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

In 2021, Gina Carano was cancelled for exercising her freedom of speech on social media and was fired from ‘The Mandalorian’. After she lost the role of a lifetime, conservative media company, The Daily Wire, picked her up and well…the rest is history. Today Alex Clark chats with Gina about how she really felt about her firing, what she's like off screen, and what her future career plans are.The Spillover is NOW streaming on Rumble, WATCH + SUBSCRIBE HERE!Looking for like-minded friends? Join...

all used to cancel culture by now, right? Or maybe it's not something one ever gets used to, but something that is a reality we know exists and catches up to a lot of people at some point or another. But for some, they aren't just canceled. No, whether it's an employer or an attacker or both. A person is canceled not just for the sake of silencing, but in an effort to make an example out of them. Today's guest took on perhaps the biggest bully in entertainment.

Actually, it's possible it's one of the biggest bullies in America, the world, Disney. I think Disney just thought, you know what, we can just make her go away for good, but that's just not who she is because she's a fighter. Literally, I mean, she had an extensive career as the face of women's mixed martial arts and then retired from that MMA career and then went on to become a beloved star in Disney's The Mandalorian as Kara Dune. Obviously, I know you already know who the guest is. When she began to be more and more outspoken with her conservative beliefs, Disney cut her from the series despite how much her acting chops contributed to the show's success. Since then, she's continued to speak out about issues she's passionate about while creatively pursuing acting on Daily Wire projects.

Most recently, Terror on the Prairie. So please help me in welcoming the fabulously talented Gina Carrano to The Spillover. We just start with what your day has looked like today so far, Miss Gina Carrano, because this is what the people want to know. Like, what is a day to day for a celebrity really like? What time did you wake up? Did you have breakfast? So I had a lot of interviews to do today. I went to the Daily Wire.

I'm in Nashville at the moment. And let's see, no breakfast because I get nervous for interviews. So if I put anything in my stomach, then I, you know, it gets fun. So I just kind of, whenever I'm nervous, I keep all food out of my stomach. I go into hair and makeup around like eight this morning. And then I just kind of cycled through. I talked to Ben Shapiro. I talked to Brett Cooper.

And I did the sports show over at the Daily Wire. And it's such a cool place. I don't know if you've ever been there, but it's a really refreshing office. It's really cool. They've got hair makeup. They've got stylists that take care of you. it's such like a legit office. Oh yeah. I've heard really good things about it and that Candice Owens team. I mean, she's got like 80 people on her show alone, even people that will like fetch her snacks or whatever,

wardrobe like you're talking about. It's very, very much the real deal because people think, oh, it's a conservative own media company, you know, it's the slums. It's not the slums. No, it's professional. It's like, it's pretty like cool actually. It feels really good because everybody there has their own studio and they're there to work and they're like it's yeah it just feels like a little mini new studio well i love hearing that from you because then i always know what to tell my bosses that i need for the spillover poplittics yeah where are you at what is you're in your home or are you in no i'm at our turning point headquarters in phoenix arizona that's where the turning point at hq is so far from nashville oh my goodness yeah i'm in arizona all the time

Well, Scottsdale has the best spas and all of that. Oh, okay. That's good to know. Yeah. What about like lashes? Where do I get some good lash attention? Oh, I can hook you up with that. I can hook you up with that. Pretty much everyone that I see in Scottsdale is conservative too, which is really fun.

I really like to try to find the people that I can support that share my viewpoint. And I know, and I'm surprised that you say that you get nervous doing interviews because I think that with everything that happened with you in the Mandalorian, people think of Gina Carano think this girl. is balls to the wall so brave. She's never scared. Oh my gosh. I'm scared all the time. I'm like one big ball of like, oh, crap, what's going? What's what is through that door? I don't know, but I have to walk through it. And I do. That's all I do is I walk through doors and I'm scared and then crazy stuff happens and I get through it. Well, before we get into the Mandalorian stuff and the controversy with that project, I got to ask you, how would you describe yourself in your own words? I'm very shy, introverted, and passionate, artistic, stubborn a little bit, but that can be easily, if you make me laugh, then I'm not stubborn at all.

Yeah, I'd say physical, all of those things. Well, yeah, physical, because I didn't even know this until recently, because I'm so not in the no and the MMA world. but you were an MMA fighter. And so I wanted to ask you growing up, is that something that you were like, oh, yeah, I love to fight. Like, I'm getting fights in fights at school, all this kind of stuff.

How in the world did that happen and then transition into acting? Well, I'm in the middle of three girls. And so my dad didn't get his son. So I basically was the tomboy. But like a tomboy at a time where it wasn't cool to be a tomboy, like legitimate tomboy.

And, And, you know, I can always throw the football farther. I could always arm wrestle up until eighth grade. I could always beat those guys. I was always very active in sports. So I, and I was like, you know, I was big-boned and I was like a little thicker than my sisters as well. So I was just a little brute, which they all, they loved it. My family, they just loved that they had this little girl that was just this like, just came out this way.

Yeah. And then towards my high school and beginning of. college. I did get, I would go out in Vegas and I'd get in a fight almost every weekend. And it was so irritating because I never wanted to go out because I'm not a person to start a fight, but I'm definitely, my mom always said, don't be the first one to throw a punch, but be the lap. You're the one to finish it. Yeah, you got to finish it. You got to get out of there somehow. So I never started fights, but I'd always attract them. And it wasn't until I started really training in mixed martial arts. I finally started getting that chip off my shoulder that I didn't know.

Interverts sometimes they seem like they have a chip on their shoulder when really they're probably just nervous to be in the room, you know? So I started getting that chip off my shoulder and I stopped getting in fights and I was training and then I started, you know, fighting professionally. And then my life just took off. So that was how that. Yeah, but I got a lot of fights when I was growing up. I don't know how anybody avoided them. Did you ever get in some fights? No.

You can't really see me and we've never met in person, but I am five for like 98 pounds. I am the tiny skinnian. I have a diet of exclusively chicken nuggets. My insides are probably tar. Like, I wouldn't last a second. Yes, you would. You just have to know what to do all tiny like that. I would need to be trained by somebody like you that knows what's going on.

And I know that some conservatives were wanting me to ask you about your time with Strike Force and Elite XE. And to explain what the difference is between those for people that don't know. They were just two different fight promotions. So I believe I started with Elitixie and then moved in. And it's just a different fight promotion. So you've got UFC, you've got Billeter, you've got just one championship. You've got a bunch of different fight promotions. And so ElitXC was the first ones to really like headline females.

And the strike force took it over. So AlitXC is where I started. What do you think is the biggest difference? I mean, the disadvantages, if there are any, that female fighters have compared to male fighters? I don't know if there's any disadvantages, because I started at the beginning, I was like, I was like one of like, you know,

I was like kind of a pioneer in the sport. And it was so funny, we'd have like the judges come back and the judges and the referees and like the athletic commission. They come back and they're like, well, do we put anything over her chest? And, you know, is there a chest plate or something? Yeah.

No. No, that is going to be. so awkward, I won't be able to move. And then like, it just became, it was so new to these people. They were like, well, let's just roll up a towel and put it in there. And I'm like, are you kidding? I'm not going to go out there with a rolled up towel down my shirt to protect, you know, like this is, I'm not going to be able to move.

And so really awkward kind of breaking into a new sport as a woman. I went through all of the awkward, like naked weigh-ins out in front of everyone. Now they take them back to the bathroom. but I would have to like kind of get up down in front of everybody. You know, and they put a towel up and the towel slipping and there's towel slips and all that. So it's just, it was just a lot being a female, you know, making my way through a very male-dominated sport. Did you ever have to fight any guys or only girls? My training partners were all men because there wasn't that many women my size around to really give me a good competition.

So I've only ever trained with men up until a certain point. And then, you know, then it started getting really popular. And then there was women everywhere and it was awesome. And so how, what was the move of going from that to Hollywood? I was fighting on CBS one night. I think I was fighting Cyborg. And Stephen Sotaburg is a well-known, renowned director. His wife was watching.

he had just gotten fired off of Moneyball because they wouldn't give him artistic control over his, you know, over filming the movie. So he kind of stepped out of that. And so he had some months to spare. And they were watching me fight and I was losing that fight. But his wife was like, you know, why don't you just make a believable action movie on her based around her?

And so I lost that fight and thought, oh my gosh, like, I don't know what I'm going to do with my life. that did not go the way I thought. And as soon as I was like, you know, a week out, he came out to San Diego and said, you know, I sat down with him and I had like a black eye because I think I took an elbow to the top of my my eye and he said, I'd really like to do a movie with you. And it'll happen really faster. It won't happen at all.

And it was two days later, he had two studios really into it. And it was just, I guess I was supposed to be there at that moment in time. Yeah, no kidding. There's a lot of parallels between your story. And there's a lot that I see in you that reminds me of myself because I was working in a super, super left wing industry. I was working in pop radio, mainstream media and then transitioned into conservative media. And so for me, I started feeling the temperature rising after Trump was elected. I could feel the temperature rising behind the scenes of just it was getting harder and harder for me to breathe. knowing that I had the beliefs that I had. What were you experiencing in Hollywood up until the point of all the drama with Disney that you were like, okay, I can feel the tide's turning. It's getting a little bit uncomfortable for me. To be honest, I've never been, so I've never been political in my life.

You know, I've never even voted before 2020. But I just thought that we were really going to need like a strong leader to kind of bring us out of this COVID. this COVID nightmare, you know, like I thought, you know, I want to make sure that we don't have a weak leader like we have right now. Right. And I just was like, we need somebody strong. I really liked Trump's first three years. I didn't vote for him the first time because I never voted before.

But I just really believed we needed somebody strong. And so I made it a point to vote. And it wasn't until I just started getting like shoveled into like this like side. And I was like, okay, why are we all picking so many sides here? Like, what are we doing? Everybody can be passionate about who they're voting for. And nobody has to be this, like, white supremacist because you're voting a certain way because you feel that that's the way that would help our country the best.

We all have different thoughts of how that can happen. And, you know, I'm happy I voted that way. I mean, looking at the world right now, I think we're suffering the consequences of, you know, people not voting that way. Yeah, 100%. Okay. So when you got involved in the Mandalorian project, I mean, that was an absolutely huge moment. And then obviously now they're about to go into their third season.

Do you still watch or do you feel like it's too painful to consume any Star Wars content at this point? No, I don't. I don't watch. That's just like a, you know, it just feels a little bit sore. So, I mean, until it stops feeling sore, then I'll probably. just not watch any of that. Yeah, I don't blame you at all. I pick my best answer. I'm like, yeah, no, they fired me.

So for like zero reason at all. So I think I'm good on that until something changes over there, until some, you know, like maybe different leadership or something has to change because that wasn't right and it didn't feel very good. How big it was, how big of a diva was baby Yoda on set? I mean, just a disaster, hard to deal with. That's the best. And I adored it.

I absolutely, that little thing is the cutest thing in the world. It's so cute. It actually, like, even when you're, like, sitting there acting next to it, you're just like, dang, it's so cute, though. Like, I want one. I want a baby if it looks like that. No kidding. Well, okay, so here's the thing. when you found out that they were firing you,

did it seem like a prank at first? Because I would have been like, yeah, L-O-L, you know, no way. No, it just felt because tensions and emotions were so high. It's hard to think back at 2020, but everything you did, everything you liked, they were just like all over me. I felt like I couldn't move or breathe without them calling me about, oh, did you like this?

And I'm like, did I like that post? Like, yes, am I not allowed to? I didn't know if we lost freedom of speech or freedom to like things when we signed on to this project. So it was just kind of really odd, all of the behavior that was happening. And it wasn't a shock because I'd seen how catty and how immature this company was acting. And I was like, I mean, it's obviously a shock. It killed me inside when it came out.

But at the same time, I was starting to get to know how ugly things were because they'd been like that for a year with me or longer. And I was like, you know what? Maybe this isn't for me. You know, maybe this is a blessing because if I can't even breathe or say what I believe in without having all of these people whine and complain and want me to get on Zoom calls with 45 people because I booped a couple people online, like, yeah, maybe this isn't for me. When it first happened and the announcement came down, was your reaction to kind of stay in bed, regroup, cry it out, and then get it together.

immediately like, what's my next move? No, it was definitely like, all right, that's a real moment of, you know, you just kind of like lay in bed and cry. Yeah, you got to grieve it. Like, you know, hysterical crying like a child, you know, just like, oh, man, like everything I've worked for, 10 years of fighting, 10 years of acting, and this is where we're at. And it's like, You know, it's like I've had a massive Hollywood breakup in front of everyone. I've gotten my ass beat on television, you know, like I've, I've had a lot of moments where it hurts, but, you know, I've never in my life you've been fired. I've always, you know, been really like, I've been really good, a good worker.

Yeah. So it just, it crushed my soul and my spirit. And that's why when Ben Shapiro called, it was like, it was at, like, I felt like I was at a rock bottom there. You know? And I was like, you know, wait, who wants to talk to me? And they're like, Ben Shapiro wants to talk to you. Just get on the phone with them. Because I also lost my agency. I lost my agency. Like, they ripped out everything for me. They wanted to make an example out of me and make sure that everybody knew not to, I don't know. Like, you know, have conversations with people, I guess. Have different perspectives on political views. I don't know. So when Ben Shapiro gets on the phone with you, he says what? What was the first thing he said? Do you remember?

I remember he just said, I think he said, are you okay? Are you doing all right? And I was like, no. No. I'm like, I know I'm not going to like do anything crazy, but as far as being okay, this is like awful. And he just, he was like, okay, well, look, you know, this is what we really want to do. We want to, you know, hit back hard in the next, you know, 36 hours. We need to have an announcement that says that we're doing something together,

that we're going to do a movie. And I was just like, oh, yeah, okay. And like, you know, we have to punch back. Are you willing to do that? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I knew I was going to still have to feel that hurt and that pain. But it definitely was a good, it was a really good phone call. Well, what's shocking to me, of course, is everything that happened with you and then you have co-stars like Pedro Pascal who are posting highly charged leftist views and, you know, arguably very disturbing memes and things like that, which is what they were mad at you for, you know, and he's expressed those online. So are you ever resentful of the hypocrisy of Disney to praise him and yet condemn your views as unacceptable? Well, I think that's why things were so, because all of, all, everybody, everybody in Hollywood that was had the, let's say, right perspective on who to vote for. You know, they were like, they were all over the place.

They were getting naked. They were doing their, you know, they were passionate. For four years, they were up on Trump's, you know, like threatening his life, you know. So this side of Hollywood had already set this precedent that this was okay to be passionate politically. And then when I'm passionate politically, which I was barely, nobody even knew for a fact who I was voting for, I was just kind of saying, you know, maybe it's okay to ask questions and to vote differently. They instantly just snatched me away and took everything away. And that's why I think they really, you know, and I've said this a couple times, but they try to make an example out of me and they really made an example out of themselves because, you know, the rest of my co-stars could say whatever they want. It was me that couldn't say anything.

I was the only one. And now everybody's afraid to, you know, say something. So they'll just, just in order to get a job, they'll just, you know, okay, I'm on this side. And it's just really pathetic, a really pathetic place to be Hollywood. Like, really pathetic. Has Pedro ever reached out to you since you're firing? Have you all had any contact at all?

Oh, I don't want to. I care too much about Pedro to ever bring him into conversations. I just respect him. And I want the best for him. Do you think that there's still a future where Disney can be redeemed at all? Or do you think that they're just too far gone at this point? You know, I think America right now, the United States has a really interesting, they're in a really interesting spot. You can vote with your dollars.

You can vote with your subscriptions. And it might be hard. But I think we really need to stick to that. And I think we need to remember, you know, what has happened. last two and a half years because it's easy to just kind of like, oh gosh, that was tough and then like carry on. I know for a lot of people like me who had to move cities, who had to quit their jobs, who got removed for like everything and how to start over, we're never going to forget the years of 2020, 21 and 22. And so, yeah, I think that, you know, we just need to remind

ourselves when the world starts getting a little bit better, hopefully it will, that what they were capable of doing. And we need to make art, we need to talk, we need to have conversations. We just need to keep everybody reminded of what they were capable of on so many different levels, not even just, you know, I mean, with the COVID restrictions and everything, if we don't remember what happened, it's going to happen again. So we need to be prepared for it. There's a lot of criticism that I think regular everyday Americans give to actors and actresses and say, well, it's not your job to, you know, use your platform to talk about what you believe and who to vote for and all those sorts of things. What would your response be to that? I think that's a very old-fashioned way of thinking.

I think that the shut up and dribble is, I don't, I never really bought into that. Like, you can learn something from everyone, especially people who have made it. from to the top of their professions, which is why I always try to remember that. Like, that person got there. How did they get there? You know, um, so I'm not, I don't subscribe to the shut up an act, the shut up and dribble. I think that's, um, I mean, you can learn something from everyone. And I, and I know that people like to just be like, okay, just perform, you know, you're, you're, you're just there to perform this character. And, um, so I do, I respect actors that do that as well. But when my, when I feel like my country,

is in danger of getting sold out to other countries. And I see my country men and women suffering in a way that their jobs are being taken from them and their rights are being taken from them. I think that's the right time to speak up. I think that's when you should speak up. And I did. So I'm not ever going to be sorry about that. Yeah, I love that about you.

And I agree with you the same sentiment. I think conservatives especially are guilty of. we will say that to people if they spout more of a left wing point of view. But of course, like everyone adores you on the right, Gina. Everyone adores people like Kanye West or whatever because they, you know, will dare to question things. And then we never have a problem when a celebrity says anything. So I think there's definitely a little double standard there. I think conservatives can be guilty of that.

And we need to have conversations. You know, if people feel passionately like I do right now, then we need to have conversations, you know. And we learn a lot through. conversations. What we don't learn through is virtue signaling and fake, you know, companies saying that they're standing up for something when they're really just trying to be cool. Yes. I think we learn the most through talking to each other. And I think we'll learn a lot about if we could just get more more people from both sides to talk to each other. I think we'll understand that there's a lot more heart and a lot more good people out there than we would

think just by looking at the internet. And so I really encourage people to want to do that instead of shutting people up and shushing people. I think that's very, I think we're over that now. Yeah, I think it's over. And your brand new film with The Daily Wire, Tara on the Prairie, is out. Tell us about the movie. What is it about?

Where did you film it? Tell us about your character, all the tea. Okay, so we, Tara on the Prairie. We filmed it up in Montana. My character is Hattie McAllister. She is this Frontier Woman. Here you go, I just got that. And we've got Nick Siracy, who plays Captain, the bad guy.

We've got my husband character, Cowboy Seroni, who plays Jeb. I've got two children in it, which I think that that was the scariest part. I'm like, oh, my gosh, this lady's going to have me your baby. But how did you feel? Were you like, motherhood not for me. I have to make this look real. I have to look like I know what I'm doing. But at the same time, like I'm comfortable with holding my nieces.

but when it's like some, you know, buddy I don't know. And I'm like, oh, geez, give me your baby. And so I'd be so nervous, like, you know, and then, of course, I'm sure the baby could feel that. Did you have to spend time with each other, like, off camera so that they would feel comfortable with you? Yeah, which was amazing. I mean, we had two babies on that set,

and it was, they were the cutest. They were so sweet. So basically my character's, she's the wife, and she's just being rejected from her entire, you know, she's, the land is rejecting her. The kids are mad at her. Her husband's mad at her. Like,

nothing's going smooth. He convinced her to move out of, you know, St. Louis and out into this Montana, Montana area to start a new life. And so he's trying to live his dream. And, you know, I'm sure relationships are like, um, can we just give back to where it's comfortable? Like, I do not want to be out here on this prairie. Like, I want to, I want to be in a city.

I want to be comfortable. And she's just ready to throw in the towel. And so they're, you know, they're budding heads. And then he leaves to go into town and four outlaws come out, her direction. She's just out there alone with herself and the kids. And, you know, then, you know, then all sorts of problems happen. And I won't tell you the rest of that. But it was, it was a really cool set.

Who we attracted, I mean, it was just incredible. We attracted some amazing artists. but when you put us all together and you keep us out there in Montana, we just really formed this incredible bond. And I think that, you know, that that really showed on film, like that we were all beating to the same drum on that. And we didn't have any masks, no force masks, no force vaccinations. It was a free set.

And so, I don't know, it feels really pure. It was coming from such a good place that when I watched it, I just feel really good about it. I feel like it came out through our art that we were just coming from a really honest, good place. And I do think that that happens on sets. And I think that Hollywood's going to struggle with that. If they don't come from a good place,

if they're not coming from an honest, pure place, their art is going to suffer. And their artists are going to suffer when they feel muzzled and they can't talk about the things that mean, something to them. So, I mean, art suffers when it's held down.

So hopefully, you know, they're going to hold it down enough to where it's just going to explode upwards and people are just going to break free of this, this, you know, this muzzle that's been put on every person in Hollywood. Did you have, after this project with the Daily Wire, did you have any actors low-key text you and be like,

hey, on the DL, what is it actually like working for them? Like, was it a good experience? you know, I wish that I could be open about my views. What has been the feedback, even if it was secretive from people that are still in Hollywood to you? Yeah, I mean, I've, you know, I've been back to L.A. I've had meetings with some very high-level people as well. And no, there's not one person I've met that thought that this cancellation was deserved in any way. And, you know, people have all different every walks of life that, you know, don't agree with me, you know, personally or politically.

but they um yeah nobody felt like that was a good look for disney and um or lucas film and so um so many people are really curious about this company daily wire and what they're doing and so many people are you know wanting to make art they want to be in a good environment and they want to be free and they want to do so i think that it's just a matter of creating now and um yeah i mean so every person There's not been one person actually. Not been one person that I've spoken to the last year that has said, yeah, you deserved that. And we question daily wire.

They're not saying that. They're just saying like, cool. We're glad this is like there's another place to make art. So what's next? Are you taking a break right now? Or do you have other projects that are already in the works? So, you know, I'm going to do this media tour. I have to go to a couple different places.

I've got a couple of fan expos. And then I've gotten some offers. But I really want to do something I'm passionate about. I really want to, I really want to direct. I really want to produce and direct my own stuff and give people that are coming to me an opportunity. Because I keep on, I produced on Tara on the Prairie, and I was just like dipping my toe in.

And now I'm kind of like, okay, I want to throw my whole body in. I want to like, I just want to just be engulfed in like this movie making process and being more in control of it. Because I feel like I've been a part of this, you know, industry for 10 years now on the highest levels and on the worst levels. And so I just know that, you know, it starts with a good story. And I've got a couple stories in mind and I'm working on those. Yeah, so dream film genre, you know, horror, rom-com, you know, all these different things. What is your dream film genre to direct?

Um, gosh. Okay. So see, they're going to be, I really want to do like, you know, peeky blinders type. Ooh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I just, I'm obsessed with, like, fashion and I'm obsessed with, like,

hair and makeup and, like, you know, the sets and everything. Oh my gosh. But I'm also obsessed with, like, the story and the badassery that comes with that. And I just, like, I, like, I would just die to do something like that. So I'd say that. That would be like the dream. I can't wait.

Well, conservative's heard it here first. So we'll be looking forward to that. Now, before you go, I do have to ask you, what do you think the conservative movement needs to do to keep our momentum going and winning the culture war? I'd say create. I think more and more people need artists need to create. Create, create, create.

Keep your mind open. and, you know, I don't know, like when I was, I don't know, like, when you look at like art, you don't, I don't think a lot of people associate art with being conservative or, you know, they they kind of, they don't see those two going hand in hand. So I'd just say, do some honest work and create some cool stuff that, that lets your soul shine, you know, because, I don't mean, what is, what is conservative and what is, we're all just human beings when it comes. down to it. We're just putting a lot of labels on ourselves. And I think that, you know, art, art is so free that it blinds, you know, it blinds the labels. And so I think that,

I think that's what people should do. So what you're saying is we need to be creating. So Daily Wire needs to get in the professional fight arena so that you can do your fight with Ronda Rousey. Yeah. No, I don't see that happening. If I did that, it would definitely be with the U.S. UFC for sure. I've always wanted to be on the UFC. Yeah, no. I love it. Gina Carano, thank you so much for coming on the spillover. Thank you for having me. I know several of you have been wanting me to have Gina Carano on for a while now. So hopefully this it's your itch, it's your scratch or scratch your itch or whatever the saying is. This is also the first episode of season three. Whether you just subscribe to the spillover recently

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