Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - Why 2026 Is the Year of Butter! Ancestral Diet with Hilda Labrada Gore

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

What if 2026 really was the Year of Butter? 🧈In today’s episode, I’m joined by Hilda Labrada Gore—aka Holistic Hilda, host of the Wise Traditions Podcast, to unpack why modern diets are failing us and what ancient nutrition gets right. We dive into nutrient-dense fats, the truth about butter, and simple shifts that can restore energy and overall health. If you’re doing everything right but still feel tired or stuck, this episode might be the reset you need.Thank you to our sponsors!ZEBRA: Use code “ALEX” for 10% off any orderJOOVV: Get an exclusive discount on your first red light therapy orderBRANCH BASICS: Use code “ALEX15” for 15% OFFMASA CHIPS: Use code “REALALEXCLARK” for 25% OFFGEVITI (AMFEST SIGNUP)COWBOY COLOSTRUM: Use code “ALEX” for 25% OFFOur Guest:Hilda Labrada GoreHilda's Links:WebsiteInstagramYouTubeWise Traditions Podcast6 Habits Course👗 Get Alex’s freshest fashion picks and exclusive guest recommendations—delivered straight to your inbox!Sign up for the newsletter HERE:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WEEKLY NEWSLETTER SIGNUP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠FOLLOW ALEX:Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @realalexclark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @cultureapothecary⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @yoalexrapz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RealAlexClark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcast |⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Subscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.DISCLAIMER: This content is for informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always talk to a qualified healthcare professional for any health-related questions or decisions.

What do people your age typically struggle with that you don't struggle with? I think it's a lot of aches and pains. They've been eating food that is filled with toxins and preservatives that preserve the food but aren't easy to digest. And dies that can make you die. It's like the opposite of how we should be nourishing ourselves. They have what they consider aging symptoms when in reality it's a product of what they've been putting into their bodies. Do you think our obsession with food safety has caused other problems? The government is so big on making sure everything is safe.

They're less concerned about if it's real. We're kind of eating a dead diet. All the food on the supermarket shelves is not alive anymore. If it has a long shelf life, it'll likely shorten yours. What if 2026 was the year of butter? Sounds wild, right? But today's guest is here to explain why this might just be the key to unlocking your health. I'm joined by my friend Hilda Labrata Gore, aka Holistic Hilda,

host of the Wise Traditions podcast with over 16 million downloads. Hilda's a world traveler, health coach. and expert in traditional nutrition, and she's here to share why our modern diets are failing us and how returning to ancient practices could be the cure. From the power of nutrient-dense fats to the secrets of vitality that most people are missing, this episode will change the way you think about food, energy, and your health,

and it's going to give you easy steps to start the new year on your journey to being the healthiest you can be. If you prefer to watch interviews, do that on the Real Alex Clark YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify. Please do me a huge solid and help us end the year on a high note. All I want for Christmas is for you to leave a five-star review sharing the episode that impacted you the most in 2025.

Please welcome my dear friend Hilda Labrata Gore, host of the Wise Traditions podcast produced by the Weston A Price Foundation to Culture Apothecary. Hilda, how old are you? 64. You're 64 and you're cold plunging and you're doing crazy hikes in foreign countries and you're swimming in waterfalls and dancing with hyenas, and I don't even know what all you've got going on.

But how are you so full of life and vitality and you're not slowing down, whereas so many of your peers at your age seem to be slowing down? I think it has to do with how you perceive yourself. I don't think, oh my gosh, I'm 64 years old. I think I'm the opposite. I don't even think about age. That's just a number, Alex. And I'm also super curious about life.

what happens as we age is we can tend to let our world get smaller and smaller. We stay with what's comfortable. I'll just stay inside. I'll read a book. And there's a time for that. But what if we expanded instead? What if we said, what's happening on the other side of the world? What's happening across the street with my neighbor?

Let's expand. And in that way, you stay young for a long time. That's how I see it anyway. What do people your age typically struggle with that you don't struggle with? I think it's a lot of aches and pains. But I think it's because, as your audience certainly knows, they've been eating food that is filled with toxins and preservatives that preserve the food but aren't easy to digest and dies that can make you die. It's like the opposite of how we should be nourishing ourselves.

And so consequently, they have what they consider aging symptoms when in reality it's a product of what they've been putting into their bodies. How much of a person's bad mood or lack of passion has to do with diet and lifestyle and not. just personality. They have no idea how intertwined these things are. It makes me sad to think about people who think, oh, I just struggle with depression. I need an SSRI when it's like, no, you just don't have enough of fat in your diet. You know, fat helps loosen up the feel-good chemicals in your brain. You need to have butter. I literally was just reading a book written about the work of Dr. Price. And then he said, the thing I could recommend the most is that you include more butter in your life. It really does boost your mood on top of helping you think better and help

everything function better in your body. Why do people feel addicted to carbs when they're eating healthy? Carbs are great for quick energy. And there's nothing wrong with them. They have their place. They're a macronutrient. But we've made them bigger than they should be in the diet. When Dr. Price traveled the world, he found that people were eating nutrient-dense foods and carbs fill the tummy but they don't really nourish as deeply as the animal products that have vitamins A, D, E, and K in them. Those fat-soluble activators are essential for, as I was saying, improve cognitive function for hormonal health, for preventing disease and bone breakages and all the things. But when people up the carbs and lower their fat and protein intake, they make themselves susceptible to diseases and chronic conditions.

And that's why people feel older than they do. Girl, I have met 30-year-olds who are like, I'm so old. I'm like, you're so old. They're thinking that, but maybe they're also thinking it because they're feeling it. And it really is a product of what they're taking into their bodies, for sure. Yeah. So my mom is 57 or 58. I forget.

Sorry, Mom. She was born in 67. I'm horrible at math. But my mom says that all the time. And she's in her 50s. And she's like, I'm just, I'm old now, Alex, and all this. And I was like, no, you're not. So you know what I did this year?

I got her full blood panel testing, biomarker testing with Jevity. She's never done full blood work to really see what's going on. So we're doing that. I'm taking her to get a pre-newvo full-body MRI scan. You know, that can detect stage one cancers or brain aneurysms and stuff years in advance. They're not a sponsor, but is what we're doing. And I'm just sharing it. I was like on a mission, especially, you know, everything that happened with my dad.

is I was like, okay, this cannot happen again. Like, we are going to totally take control here. We're not just going to wait for things to happen to us. We're going to be proactive about her health. And I think that's kind of an exclusively American thing to do is we just wait to just be told like, you're dying now. And I just, I reject that. Thank you.

But why doesn't she? I'm curious. I think she's, I think she, my mom just has a personality where she can get very easily overwhelmed. And so it's just, she's like, I don't even know where to start. I don't even know where to begin. And so that's why I wanted to have you on going into the new year. And by the way, if you are a new culture apothecary listener and you didn't listen to the show and it was called The Spillover, you may not have heard that I've interviewed Hilda before. And Hilda is like the perfect person and such a dear friend to me who is so good at breaking down how to reject overwhelm and

embrace vitality and life and health and easy steps to do it, which is why I wanted you to come on and kind of talk about the basics and breaking it down in an easy way for people to understand, but also just setting people up for success as we're in January. This is like all health and wellness month. People are like motivated to make a change because it's a fresh start. Yes, yes. And so I thought that you would be the perfect person to do that. And one of, I think, the most overlooked aspects of health is sleep. And I was wondering what you could say about sleep and how much poor diet could affect or lifestyle could affect sleep. Well, first, let me just say, I think a lot of people struggle with sleep, especially young moms, because their babies are crying because there's a lot

of demands on your life and you're like, can't even get into bed when you want to. I feel those mamas because I have been there. I had four kids in five years. So it was a very busy time. I felt like an accordion. Your tummy going in and out. Yeah, expanding, contracting, expanding, contracting. So it's a very busy, hard time. But I would also say you need to give yourself grace because it is a challenging time and this too shall pass. The kids will get older. They won't be waking as much, et cetera, et cetera.

But I also think you need to prioritize sleep and shift. So this is what I mean. When my kids would get in bed, I would roll up my sleeves and get busy, you know, start cleaning up, picking up, doing all the things I didn't do when they were awake. And I would find myself staying up until one or two or three in the morning. And I was really shortchanging myself on sleep. And I thought, oh, I guess I'm superhuman. I'm just going along here. What I didn't know is that the incandescent lights, but also the blue light from my screen, was telling my brain it was a different time of day. I was getting the message that it was midday instead of midnight. We probably talked about this last time. So I want to just say, honor your circadian rhythm by once the kids go down and the sun goes down, put on some blue blockers. You know, Thaddeus Owen has talked about that on this show as well. Like I just am really a big fan. I wear them every night religiously. And I think it really helps my body know it's time to wind down.

So you can't really wind up if you don't have that light information coming at you. It really does kind of make you sleepy, which is great. And the other thing is, this isn't just something that I've experienced. I'm like, oh, this is a good idea. I have traveled the world, as you know. And when I was in Ethiopia just a couple of years ago, I met five different indigenous tribes along the Omo Valley. And each of them would go to bed after the sun went down. They wouldn't stay up checking TikTok and, you know, looking for text and stuff like that.

They would go to sleep. And then they would get up with a sunrise. This seemed impossible to me when I was a young mom. But when I realized, oh, if I go to bed earlier, I can wash the dishes in the morning. I can do different things in the morning before the kids get up. My circadian rhythm synced. And that's really important for hormonal health. So we're not even talking about diet yet, Alex.

But I will say if you get in tune with your kind of circadian rhythm and your light hygiene, if you do just that, you will find that your mood will improve and your sleep will deepen. Okay. So you brought up butter. Yes. When trying this into the sleep thing, I have a point here. I saw this mom online talking about how her toddler was really struggling getting to sleep. I saw that one too. Yes.

And she was giving her like a spoonful or two tablespoons or something of butter before bed and she was out like a light. What is happening there? What it is is it's satiety and it's also the fat soluble activators that I was mentioning before that are doing their bit all over the body and helping the kid know you're satisfied. you can go to sleep. My kids were always begging for extra snacks. They would come up from school and they'd be like, I want a snack. And they were always hungry because I wasn't giving them enough fat. And we have been, unfortunately, told to avoid fat or to go low fat when actually it should be the opposite. You know, the food pyramid has to be inverted. Really, the bottom should be fat. Fat and protein are so critical for cognitive function but also for hormonal function. And as the children's brains are developing, they need that fat especially. So please don't deprive them of that. And I'll tell you a little, I think it was a study done in Farmingham, Massachusetts, where they gave some kids skim milk and other kids full fat milk. And the kids that drank the skim milk or the lower fat milk were fatter than the kids that had the full fat milk. So even just in terms of what the body is telling you, something is off. We used to think fat makes you fat.

Fat doesn't make you fat. Fat satiates and really provides the nutrients that the body deeply, deeply needs. I like what you said about young moms, breastfeeding moms. you know, trying to go to bed in line with their circadian rhythm. And I had, I can't remember which guest it was this past year, but I had asked about, okay, I'm on board with this, but I also know it's kind of hard for breastfeeding moms. You're waking up in the middle of the night. So you're interrupting that. And what's your recommendation to kind of stay in line with your circadian rhythm even with waking up for late night feedings? And their suggestion was having like Himalayan salt

lamps or incandescent bulbs, warm bulbs on, which is what you turn on, to resist the temptation to check your phone or scroll Twitter or whatever while you're feeding. Keep the blue light away from your baby's eyes and your eyes while they're breastfeeding at night. And if you don't have an incandescent bulb or you don't want to go buy a Himalayan salt lamp or something like that, to throw a blanket over a lamp to still soften the blue light. I love it. I love it.

or any of that on. So I thought that might be kind of helpful. Absolutely. And I have little red lights all all over my house from Thaddeus, actually, little red light nightlights. So that's just a warm inviting. It mimics what our ancestors could see when the sun went down. It's just like firelight, you know. It's just so inviting. And also I would say, and this is kind of a word to the past me, when I was breastfeeding. Back then, we just had flip phones, I think. But I would always read when was breastfeeding, which was nice. I was getting information while I was feeding the baby. But I kind of wish Alex that I had been more present. I wish I had just been enjoying the miracle that I'm nourishing this little one. And, you know, even saying little silent prayers over them. Of course,

I prayed over my kids. But I think I was kind of distracting myself from the moment. So, mamas who are tempted, like, let me just check my phone or send that one more text. Like, this is kind of a sacred time. So be there for your baby, even as you're nourishing them. What does constant snacking do to metabolism? Well, I think it's like throwing kindling on a fire. It doesn't satisfy because it's just one thing after the next, after the next. Like I told you, I was giving my kids pretzels and then apples. If you have the right combination of food, like let's say apples with peanut butter or cheese with salami and then maybe a little few grapes on the side, that's going to help the kids so.

It's like logs on the fire. They'll last a longer time and so will you. So I didn't understand this at first, but I slowly started taking steps in that direction. Because what are you supposed to have on your plate at all times, protein, carbs and fat? Yeah, but mostly I would even say proteins and carbs. Okay. Because I was just reading this book, like I said, about Dr. Price. And he said, originally he said, the most basic foods for good health are raw milk, cereal, and he had a third thing, fish.

But then the more he studied and traveled the world, he was. He was like, wait a minute, cereal is good, especially if it's like, you know, not extruded. I'm not talking fruit loops. I'm talking about like real whole grains that have been soaked and all the things. But he realized that's not even enough. It should be fish, raw milk, and organ meats, which I know this is going to sound totally radical to some people. But you can like tiptoe your way into getting those by even getting like an organ meat blend. Force of Nature has them.

Some Amish farmers in Pennsylvania have them. If you go to farm match, you can find farms in your area that might have. a mix of ground beef with organ meats mixed in and then you get this extra nutrient boost. So I'm not saying snacking is killing your metabolism, but I'm saying you can actually prevent all the extra snacking and boost your metabolism by eating more of the foods that will sustain you for a longer period of time. Yes. Yeah. And we're just not doing that. Yeah, we are. We're like, well, I gave my kid a healthy snack. I gave him apples. But then he's still coming to me in an hour saying, I'm hungry. I want more. Exactly. Exactly. I don't know why.

I didn't know this before, but no better, do better. I met my holistic dentist the other day. She's poking around my gums, doing her whole vibe check, and she goes, you know, most flosses are basically microplastic cocktails in your mouth. And I'm like, what? That's wait what, but I translated it because I was at the dentist, you know? Most natural flosses are made from polyester and loaded with Phaas, basically putting chemicals in microplastics directly in your gums every day.

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That's why they put grains at the bottom of the pyramid. I'm pretty sure the Department of Agriculture was behind that. They were like, let's get rid of this. Let's offload this stuff and make the pyramid shape that way. And the funny thing is Sally Fallon-Rail, the head of the West Nade Price Foundation, said the more we eat like the pyramid, the more we're shaped like it. Oh, yes. Right?

It's so good. It's so crazy. So, yeah, no, indigenous cultures ate what was local, organic, seasonal, and traditional, the food that was right around them. And that's how we should nourish ourselves as well. It's not as easy now because there's DoorDash, there's U. Uber eats, there are all these quick ways to satisfy our hunger, but we're not nourishing ourselves deeply. And that's what we really want. And your body will tell you, I think the reason your mom and

maybe others feel older than their age, or feel their age is because they're eating these, what Dr. Price called the displacing foods of modern commerce. They're eating foods that aren't serving them well. And their body's saying help. And then the funny thing is, when their body's saying help, people often take pills to get it to be quiet. But what you really want to do is address the root cause, which often can be found in diet. I have come to a realization about myself, Hilda, in the last year. I'm not eating enough. I think a lot of women struggle with this, especially busy.

You're busy, whether that's chasing kids or you're busy with a really filled workday at the office, which is like what I deal with in my schedule. And so I'm eating the right things, but I'm not eating enough of the right things. I believe that about you. So, yeah, that's been something like people in my life have gotten on to me about. They're like, okay, what did you have for lunch? I'm like, I didn't have time for lunch. You're like, Alex.

So what are you, what do you do? Because you're just as busy. You're traveling to you. Like, that's the hard thing when you're traveling. Where are you finding food? So going through the airport on long flights across the world, how are you making sure that you're eating the right things but eating enough things? Yeah.

I do the best I can. I receive what I get with gratitude and I bless it because I can't make sure every chicken is free range organic, you know, on, you know, out there on the pasture. So I do the best I can. can, but I also take some things with me. Like I have a powdered bone broth that I'll take with me just to add to hot water. I just had this on the flight over here. And it's wonderful because it's real bone broth. No extra ingredients. Nothing strange in it. Just like chicken flavor? Chicken. Yeah. Chicken bone broth. What brand? Well, actually, it's from my friend Galia Kleinman in Mexico. Gosh. I know. She makes a caldo de res and caldo de pollo. It's incredible. And I'm like, what, this is amazing. So when I like to fly fasted, because it is stressful to be in the air all that time. time and all, with so much radiation. So I try to take it easy and have things that are easy to digest. And then just now in the airport, I was looking around. I was hungry. I couldn't find much. So again, I had to just bless what I could. I found, you know, half a sandwich of something, you know.

But I do try to lean into the fats and the proteins. So I go more animal based. And that's not to say I won't have carbs, but that's what I do. And then also I just have side note. When I was flying, they said, Well, we're sorry to tell you that the Wi-Fi is broken. And I was like, yeah. I was the only person of the plane cheering. They're all like, what's going on with that lady back there? But, yeah, I think there are a lot of things thrown at us. And making sure to carve out the time to nourish ourselves well gives us a well from which to pull to nourish the people around as well.

I know. You know, I feel so really grounded and healthy and happy. And I'm thankful because that means I have something to give other people. If I were exhausted and run down and not caring for myself and skipping meals or whatever, unless it's intentional fasting, like, then I would just be edgy and irritable. And to the moms out there, like, it's just as important for you to feed yourself as it is for you to feed your little ones. And how should your diet change when you are breastfeeding? Because aren't you supposed to be doing different things when you're breastfeeding to get enough nutrients? Yeah.

Well, they say, like, you really should be eating just as much, if not more, as you did when you were pregnant. You weren't just eating for two when you were pregnant. you're eating for two now too because you're nourishing them as well. Dr. Price even said it. He said, don't worry about your weight. Just nourish yourself deeply. And I think the pounds will come off. Don't worry about the number. I always say scales are for fish. So I would say nourish yourself deeply, lean into the proteins and the fats. And yes, you can have carbs. Don't worry about that too much either. But just do the best you can because I know a lot of young moms are on a budget and they're like, how am I supposed to do this? You know, organic is out of reach for us. You know, just do the best you can.

but know that when you're investing in your diet, you're paying less at the doctors and less for hospital bills. And it's just amazing. You want to see your children thriving, prioritize feeding them the best food you can and they will do well. What can you share about skin milk

versus whole milk and allergies and things like that that you see in kids? Skin milk is really depriving our kids of the cream, the fat that they need. It's really a crime. Giving kids skim milk is a crime. We should not be doing that to our children. But the reason they take the cream off, well, number one, I guess the government or someone

said it was healthier to do so. But number two, they can make more money selling ice cream than they can milk. The dairy industry has a plan. And it's for profit, not for your children's health. So skim milk, I used to think was a good idea. I was like, oh, low fat. What it really is, is like, it's just colored water. Yeah, it's water.

No wonder nobody likes it. And the kids want the flavored water because they're, like, this doesn't taste like anything. I don't blame them one bit. But if they had full fat milk, and actually I have friends right now, working in A2, ideally not A1. Yes. Well, A2, A2 is great because it's easier to digest. But if you can't get that, like I'm hoping my friends who are in the Maha circles can help turn around the dietary guidelines. They're working on this right now. And the first thing, the first thing they could do that I think would be fabulous is to make the milk full fat. Totally. Especially what kids are being served in schools. Exactly. I just think

it's interesting, and I know Zen Honeycutt has talked a lot about this, is that the milk that they're serving kids in school, especially like the strawberry milk or the chocolate milk that they give as an option, a lot of it is filled with like caraginan and stuff. And you're seeing these kids have severe eczema breakouts, allergies, all sorts of skin issues. And then you take the milk away and all of a sudden it clears up. So sometimes I think parents don't, their first go-to when it comes to skin issues on kids is to look at topically, what is my kid using and what topically can I put on them to help it. Sometimes it's internal.

A hundred percent. And you know my friend Hillary Boynton, you've had around the show as well, she healed her son's eczema by serving him raw milk. I think they might have put some on topically, but he was definitely drinking it. You know, so we need to think about seeking good health from the inside out. You know, instead of just the topical and even the temporary with the pills, do something more profound by overhauling your diet, getting the sun,

and all these things that I've found as I've traveled the world. And what's so beautiful is I like to say modern science is catching up to traditional wisdom. Like science is bearing out. Like there's this whole quantum physics group now that's saying, hey, we need sunlight. I'm like, yeah, we do. It's something I've seen all over the world. You know, where we need to make sure it's dark when we go to sleep. Yeah, we do.

That's what I saw among the people in Ethiopia. All these tribes would, once the sun went down, like I said, they would go sleep on a little mat on the ground. They were grounding at the same time. Like all these things that we know are good are being kind of proven scientifically. but indigenous cultures knew this. They already had that wisdom. They didn't need some scientists to tell them that it was good and beneficial. Do you think that modern diets disconnect us from our instincts?

100%. And can I tell you a story? Yes. When I was in Columbia, South America in June, I was with the Arwako people and some Kogi and some Uiwa people too. These are some amazing tribal people that live in the mountains of Santa Marta, Colombia. and they consider themselves kind of like the older brother and the modern man is the younger brother. And they could see that things were kind of getting messed up with the younger brother.

So they're like, maybe we need to share some of our wisdom with you. And so they were talking to us about harmony and how the world is out of harmony. Don't we feel it all the time? And I said to them, what's one thing we can do? Where can we start to help restore harmony among each other and in the earth? And they said, start with food. I said start with food. I was like, wow.

They were like, yeah, when you eat locally or even eat food that you grew yourself, you're more connected to the earth and to the people around you. You're connected to your place and time. And they said that would go far. And I was like, that is beautiful. So yes, our modern diet has disconnected us to the point where kids think chicken comes on a styrofoam play covered with plastic like that. They don't know what comes from a hen. You know, they don't know where eggs come from.

It's crazy. And a lot of times actually, I don't know if you saw that latest video. actually online as well, where somebody was making synthetic eggs. It was the weirdest thing I ever saw. And so I think in some ways we are being tricked and even poisoned. And what we can do is to know our farmer, as AJ Richards says, shake the hand that feeds you. Get to know your local farmer so you can know who to trust. And better yet, like have your own backyard chickens.

But if you can't go there, know where your food is coming from because it's a matter of life or death. I also think some of the reason we are overeating has to do with the chemical concoctions we're eating. So your body is tasting something that has cheese flavor. And so it thinks you're getting cheese and it wants more of those cheese vitamins. So it's like, no, keep eating. Where is the vitamin? I taste the cheese, but where is the nutrients that I'm supposed to be getting? And so our body is telling us we need more and more and more because it's like, where is the actual food that I'm looking for? I think that has to do with it too when it comes to like disconnect. Modern food disconnecting us from our natural instincts a little bit as well.

But yeah, being connected to community and knowing where your food comes from is so incredibly important. And I think it also helps you to be more thankful. And I think that thankfulness can be a medicine. Oh, 100%. 100%. Gratitude. I start my days with that.

This is the spirit, which I talked about last time, but spirit is one of the ancestral secrets everywhere I've traveled around the world. People offer gratitude to God. They offer gratitude for the earth, for the harvest, for all these things. And it really is a medicine. It is. A joyful heart is good medicine, as the Bible says, right? I love it so much. It's so important to me. I think it's another secret for longevity and for feeling healthy and happy. It's having that positive outlook. And I just want to say to any mama or any person listening who's like, I'm the person Alex was just describing. I'm the person that is, is like continuing to eat the Cheetos or the tokees

or a whole thing of cookies when I didn't even really intend to, I want to say, I don't think you should blame yourself. No. It's the scientists that are making these things hyper palatable. And your body is being tricked and to thinking that there's some nutrient value.

And you're thinking, okay, this is good. It tastes good, but it's not serving you well. So the next time you do it, just look at that cookie and be like, wait, where did this thing come from? And consider, you can make, as they say, a simple swap, as Corey Dunn would say, a simple swap and make it yourself with better ingredients.

That's great. Or you could even have something more nourishing, like some liverwurst or cheese and, yeah, an apple. And just find that the joy of the real food, you're going to feel better, and you're going to find yourself less tempted by the fake stuff. The other day I'm walking through New York, and this man, this absolute profit of the streets,

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Who is Weston A Price? What was his great huge discovery when it comes to health? He was a pioneer of his time. He lived about 100 years. ago. And he was a dentist, but not just a dentist. He was a researcher. And he started suspecting that our cavities had something to do with the food that we were eating, not just our oral hygiene. A lot of times people think, oh, I'm just not brushing my teeth enough. That's why I had two cavities last time I went to the dentist. Not necessarily. It may be that your body's not assimilating or getting enough minerals and vitamins that you need to protect your teeth no matter how often you brush or floss. Isn't that interesting? And I don't know if you know this,

Alex, but Dr. Price, he lost his son. He lost his son at age 16. And his son had some issues with myocarditis and some things with his heart. And Dr. Price started thinking, I don't think this was just like an issue that came from nowhere. Like it might have had to do with nourishment. And also I think his son might have had a root canal. So perhaps motivated. Whoa. I know. So motivated some say, perhaps by guilt or concern or confusion by what happened with his son who passed away at 16, he embarked on his quest to travel the world to find the healthiest people on the planet. And he wanted to find in particular untouched, isolated people groups, people that didn't have any contact with modern

world and modern foods. Because even back in his day, flour, sugar, canned foods, all these processed things were starting to come into play. And he wanted to see what are the healthiest people eating? And it was all, like I said earlier, local, organic, seasonal, traditional foods. And the people were thriving. They had beautiful teeth, no need for braces. They were hale and hearty. They were optimistic. We were talking about spirit before. You know, they were fertile. It was like all these things. And so he took copious notes and he wrote a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, basically saying if you eat whole real foods, single ingredient foods like your grandmother would recognize, your health will stay strong. But if you start to depart from that and eat the displacing

foods in modern commerce, your health is going to decline. And, you know, people scoffed at him. They were like, this isn't really true. But he saw it time and time again. From the South Sea Pacific Islands to Switzerland to Alaska to Canada, everywhere he went. He documented this truth. And now people are turning to this information because they're seeing it play out in real time in their lives today. Why do you think he focused so much on teeth and jaw development and facial structure? Because he was a dentist.

And I think he also saw, as he says, the teeth tell the tail. So I don't know if you've noticed this. Like even in a movie like Home Alone, the criminals often have crowded teeth and stuff. Yes. Because it tells you something about their cognitive function. Interestingly, the teeth tell the tail. Now we look around and everyone has great teeth because most of them had braces, so we can't really tell.

Or veneers or something. Yeah, exactly. Which is another whole sad story. But anyway, I don't recommend those. But the point is, as your body is depleted of nourishment, the teeth become crowded and have cavities. and stuff like this, and they're telling the tale of what's going on cognitively and hormonally. So this is why Hollywood stars are so attractive because their teeth look absolutely beautiful

and their faces look symmetrical and everyone thinks, oh, they're the picture of health, not necessarily, as you know, what happens behind scenes is very different. But that tells us something, that communicates something about their health state. And so he was very interested because he saw not only did people start to experience a decline in health with chronic health conditions and asthma and allergies and other things as they departed from their traditional foods, but also subsequent generations had a natural narrowing of the jaw. They would be born kind of already behind the starting line. But he also noticed that if parents started to change their diet back to their traditional foods, they could have future children that would

have the broad faces that was their birthright. So it was so, oh my gosh, so fascinating. But he wrote this all and he really pounded the drama about eating more butter and nutrient-dense foods and people scoffed him, but they're coming back around to his insights today, which I'm happy to see. Okay. What have you learned about veneers that makes you say nobody should get them? Well, do you know that they file down the teeth? Yeah. Like, teeth are connected to meridians in the body.

Like, I didn't really know this at first, but studying the work of Dr. Price and talking to some dentists like Dr. Domnishwitz and others, I've learned that. So if this tooth is bugging me, it might not just be a problem with this tooth. It might be a problem with the whole line. It might be a problem with my hip. And so I need to think about what is the root cause. Is it just that I'm not eating enough, whatever, let's just say I'm not getting enough zinc in my diet? Or is it something connected to this issue in my body?

I don't know, but there's just more at play. So I would never file down my teeth and then cover them with something else. Actually, I will say this, though. Some traditional people would use their teeth as tools. Have you ever seen someone tried to open a bottle with their teeth? And we're like, don't do that, don't do that. Traditional people did it all the time. And maybe their teeth were strong because they were getting enough nutrients.

I don't know. But so sometimes their teeth would be worn down, but they still would have excellent dental and overall health. But I suspect that if we wear down our teeth artificially by filing them and then we cover them with something, I just don't think it's a good idea. What's your opinion on toothpaste? Do you use it? Yeah, I use it. I use it. Because in our modern day and age, we...

Because some currency people don't. I know. Will wit, for example. Right. And they don't use soap either. Yeah. I do have some interesting habits. Well, I'm not sure I will get into them on this talk, but I do brush my teeth.

And I do use a toothpaste, but I make sure that it's fluoride-free, obviously. And I am a fan of hydroxyapotite, but not the nano version. Because I understand that's too small. I like it with a macro. Hydroxy appetite, by the way, I, what I've talked, I should probably say this because I've talked about this a little bit like I can't use that and people freak out. They're like, why is it bad? It's not bad.

It doesn't work for me. When I was using hydroxy appetite toothpaste, I was getting gray spots all over my teeth. So I don't know what that means. It just wasn't working for me. So now I switch. I use a toothpaste that uses xylitol, and I don't have those anymore.

So it's not bad. Like I'm saying you can't use it. But some people have experienced that. They're like, why am I getting these gray spots in my natural toothpaste? And I just think it might be some kind of weird sensitivity things.

Some of us have to have hydroxy appetite and they don't know it. Right. So I don't know why that happens. I haven't been able to figure that out yet. Maybe this year I'll interview someone that knows the answer. But yeah, xylitol helped me.

But, yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. But I want to tell you one quick thing. So when Dr. Price went to Switzerland, he saw these people and he always examined their teeth and made careful notes about the state of their health and stuff. The kids had like a slime. Do you know this? They had like a gooey slime because they didn't brush their teeth. But they still didn't have many cavities because their food was so nutrient dense. And by the way, these kids were also cold adapting.

They were like barefooted and they had no how. hats on their head while Dr. Price and his wife were like all buttoned up. They couldn't handle the cold, but these kids could because they were resilient and strong. I just find that so fascinating. So if you miss brushing your teeth here and there, as long as you can quote me on this, as long as your diet is decent, you should be okay. I think that's hysterical. What do you think traditional cultures all seem to have in common nutritionally? It's very much what I said. They looked for the biggest bang for their buck. They weren't just stuffing their stomachs with whatever. They were eating what was around them and it was usually nutrient dense.

I'm talking like fish and eating nose to tail, making broths from the bones. Like it's so fascinating. And you might be like, this is all so weird, nose to tail. I just want a hamburger from Wendy's. Like, I get it. I get it. But I will tell you that the indigenous people were not filling up with empty calories. They were filling up with stuff that really nourished them well.

And this is why they were so fertile. And we're having a crisis of fertility. I know you know. And so I think getting back to the basics of real food will really give you a strong foundation. And if you struggle with that, as you know, I love like birthright supplements. You can do things to fill in the gaps. But whatever you do, like go to food first. Go to food first.

And then there's lifestyle stuff. I mean, I've hinted at it, but I'm putting together a course right now called the mother code because I want to empower moms. Most of the best hacks in life are free. There are so many things you can avail yourself of that God gives us for your optimal health and energy and for your kids as well. And so like I just really want to pour into these moms so that you can be investing in generational health. So you can be the best you can be for your kids.

And they will pay attention to what you're doing and they will follow you. As I say, more is caught than taught. So if you start getting that morning sunlight, they're going to join you in that. If you start eating nourishing food, they'll be like yes. And at first they might complain like, why can't we get dominoes or whatever? You can whip up a pizza. You can whip up a pizza in the time that takes you to all drive over there, come home. Like it's not complicated.

And just do better. Like you might not have a sourdough pizza crust at first. Use a little yeast, you know, make the dough the night before or whatever. But I think we overcomplicate it. And it really can be simple to make the best choice you can to nourish your family well and yourself, as I said earlier. Okay, so you travel the world. I mean, you're always spending time with these incredibly interesting tribes and all this. Yes.

What is the weirdest thing that you have eaten? Have you eaten a spider? I think I had the Mpani worm. and that was in South Africa. Yeah, and sometimes I had to cringe. The weirdest thing I ever had, honestly, was in Peru. And this is the thing. If you grew up in Peru, you would be used to eating this thing, right?

Our palettes get shaped when we're little, which is why mamas, it's a good idea to feed your kids a variety of things now. So they won't, like, reject it later. But they had a fermented kinawa soup that apparently was really strong medicinally. Like, it's like a, you don't need penicillin. or an antibiotic. If you have this thing, like you're going to be really strong. Your immune system is going to feel super supported. But for me, I was like...

Well, what is that? It was like super sour. But what is it, though? It was like quinoa with maybe some broth from an animal. I don't know. But then it was like older because it had been fermented. And I just, I really couldn't, I couldn't stomach it. But I do my best when I go these places.

So I was trying to eat it. And then I was like, oh, I'm a small person. I can't finish it. And they're like, well, take it to go. And I was like, okay. Oh. I know. It was rough. But I do my best, like I said, to receive what I can with gratitude. And did I ever tell you the funny switch Mitch did on me? No, Mitch is your husband. Yeah, Mitch is my husband. We were in Kenya and we went to visit a Messiah warrior that I knew. And he was so happy because he had raw milk and it had kind of clabbard in a gourd that he had, which is fabulous. You know, it's basically sour milk. Milk never spoils. It does sour. Real milk. Raw milk. I'm not talking about pasteurized. Yes. It never goes bad. It never goes bad.

The reason we're not accustomed to having it is because we're like, sour must be bad. No, you can still cook with it. You can still drink it. Some people just shake it up and mix it with a fresher milk. It depends on what you can stomach. But so my friend Dixon, this Messiah warrior, had it. And he was so proud of it because it was clabbered, basically like soured and curdled.

And he served it to us. And I was struggling so much to drink it. So when he wasn't looking, my friend Dixon wasn't looking, I switched mugs with Mitch. So Mitch would finish mine. And then Mitch is like, she just switched mugs. I was like, no. No. He outed me.

I was like, darn it. But again, I'm not used to it. But if you were raised drinking this clabbard milk, you know, we're raised drinking this fermented kinoa soup, you would accept it and love it. So we work with the kids now so that they'll love it later. That's what I think. Why was nutrient density more important to Dr. Price than calories in his research? Because that's what makes the body function well. He wanted to see people happy and healthy.

Maybe because he lost his son Donald. You know, it's not about just getting a certain amount of nutrients. As a matter of fact, some of the people groups he visited didn't have a lot of food. There were lean times. I think it was some people. It might have been Alaska or Canada, which for a period of months, they tried to store up as much as they could for the winter, but then when things were harshest, they couldn't go out. And so then it was like from, let's say February till the spring, until things thawed,

that they were low on food. but they would hang in there until they were ready to source fresh fish and all the things again until some missionaries came and they started just kind of plying the people with food but I don't know what food they were plying them with and so this is where sometimes we're helping hurts like I'm a person who's a Christian and I want to help the whole world know Jesus but at the same time I need to respect what traditional cultures are doing especially when it comes to their food and health ways and learn from them And that's exactly what I've done as I've traveled the world. But going back to Dr. Price, I think he saw that the people that were thriving, it wasn't about how many calories they were taking in.

It was about the nutrient density. And again, he found that they had 10 times the fat soluble activators than the people of his day, meaning they were eating a lot of animal products, fish, seafood, liver. They were eating the foods that were most dense in nutrients, not calories. As a matter of fact, I just talked to someone recently and she said, oh, I'm trying to lose. lose weight. I can't have a lot of meat because it's very calorie dense. And I thought, what? I don't know what she's thinking. I wanted to say, girl, try eating more meat and fat and see what happens. You're not going to be craving all the other stuff. I just think vegetables are nice, but mostly for spreading butter all over. Okay. I want you to help me debunk something.

Okay. My boyfriend gets on to me about my oyster obsession. I love oysters, raw oysters. And he's like, there's so many heavy metals. Like, you need to be heavily. concerned with the amount of heavy metals you're consuming. And I'm like, but they are filled with all these natural minerals and nutrients. It's like a superfood. Oysters to me are like the pinnacle of like the one of the best things you could eat. So what do you know? Because didn't you go somewhere and do some kind of crazy oyster excursion? I did. I went to Ireland. You're right. We were eating oysters straight from the ground. And they're as big as your head. Yeah. Oh, these middens. And the middens are like these places with all the oyster shells. They say this is one of the

earliest nutrient-dense foods that mankind is eaten. Think about how easy an oyster is to kill compared to a saber-tooth tiger. You see what I mean? So I have to say I'm on team Alex with this one and here's why. Because when you get something natural like that, it also comes with co-factors that can help mitigate the metals. Like some people say, oh, I don't want to eat fish because it's got mercury in it. Fish has had mercury in it since the beginning of time. But it also comes with selenium and other things in it that help mitigate the bad stuff. So, for example, I put my feet on the ground, even if I know it's been sprayed with glyphosate, because the earth has something greater in it to offer me that will help me conquer the glyphosate. This is how I see it.

So I think your boyfriend can still learn from you. Okay, what happens to the body over generations when nutrition declines? This is what Pottinger discovered. Have you heard of Pottinger's cats? Oh, yes. Okay. Maybe from you. forever ago. But tell the story. Okay, well, I will tell it to the best of my recollection, because I haven't studied it in depth, but I will say this. He fed cats. Some of them had their regular diet, including like the whole raw milk and all the good stuff, right? And these cats did well. And subsequent generations did well. But when the cats were deprived of the full fat milk and different things were tweaked and they didn't have their natural diet, the next generation

was a little weaker. And then the third generation was completely infertile. Alex, completely infertile. And this is the trajectory that we're on. We're seeing it play out today, right? So our parents were okay or their parents were fine. My dad even said, oh, my mother had teeth that look like piano keys. They were perfectly aligned. And then his teeth were too. And mine were not. You know, so that we were starting to see physical signs of degeneration. But we didn't catch onto it at the time. But now that we're seeing it all and we're hearing about it, like let's reverse course. This is our big chance to start taking. in the nutrient density and hopefully we can reverse this very slippery slope of physical decline that we're on. Let me tell you something. America has lost the frontier spirit. We used to wrestle bison. Now, half the country gets winded walking up two stairs. But I found the one product that makes me feel like I could survive in the wilderness for at least 11 minutes.

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He said that white flour and white sugar and canned foods and even, dare I say, chocolate. I know, it's unfortunate to hear, were things that were taking the place of the nutrient-dense foods. I don't think he thought they were, it was altogether bad. Well, for example, in some places they ate a lot of potatoes. Potatoes don't have a lot of nutrient density per se, but it was a starch, a starchy vegetable that helped people, you know, survive during times of famine or difficulty, right? So I think he was just saying, beware of the things that take the place of the things that are more nutrient dense

because you will start to have trouble with your vision, with your hearing, with your bone density, with your fertility, and with your behavior. I mean, he saw it with the children, but I do have good news. Simply by experimenting,

and he took some kids that were in bad situations, almost like in halfway houses. He fed them one nutrient dense meal a day, and he saw their behavior improve and their health improve. And they started asking for the codle oil. So like this is really exciting. It means that it's not too late for anybody. Whether you're a young adult or an older adult or somewhere in between or whether you're a kid, start taking it in

the nutrient dense foods and your body's going to start asking for those over the empty calories that displacing foods of modern commerce. What do you think happens hormonally when people go low fat long term? Well, it's not just that it may affect, like I said, their fertility and their menstrual cycle. It'll affect how hard that hits them when it's time for. menstruation, it will affect how they think and their mood. There's no doubt that we are, it's all intertwined. You were asking earlier, is someone's mood affected by diet 100%? But it's all of a piece. So like, I might be in a bad mood. So then I don't want to go outside. So then I'm not moving. So then my joints hurt more. And then I just start eating more tachis. You know,

like it's all related. So we need to take a step. And the New Year is a perfect time to do it. I'm not big on resolutions, but I do think if we can lean on each other in community and make just one change, it could just be even just making 2026 the year of butter. You know, make that one change. I like the idea of making 2026 the year of butter. Let's do it. Let's do it. And then see what starts to happen because your hormones will stop going up and down and all crazy. You will be less fatigued.

And I'm all about wanting the mom to be the mom on the monkey bars. So she's not just there scrolling while they're playing. Like she's in it with them because she's got the energy to spare because she's fueled by the sun, butter, and liverwurst. Is natural food political now? I am shocked to say, I have to say, I think it is. I know people that purposely want to keep eating bad food and getting every shot recommended by the CDC just to show Trump that they are not on his side or Kennedy, that they're not on his side. I'm like, this is ridiculous. This should be totally apolitical and apartisan.

If make America healthy again, okay, it's a slogan. But I loved it when Callie Means said recently, like, Democrats out maha us. Like, go for it. Your children and their lives and their health are at stake. So maybe we should pay attention in this way. If someone were to say to you, hey, Alex, that floor is slippery. Be careful.

Don't run too fast across it because you might hit your head. It should matter to you less who said it to you. than if it's actually true. Right. So why don't people do their own research and dig into it? Is it true that food dies and preservatives are compromising my health? If so, then I should pay attention to that regardless of which party it comes from. I will never get over seeing these people chug Tylenol.

Oh, my gosh. That are pregnant. And then some people, didn't someone die because they did that? I don't know. I didn't even know that. I heard that someone died. Really? Yes.

That's so disturbing. I just interviewed Jenny McCarthy. And she was talking about how, you know, so many people have the MTHFR gene mutation. And what that does is it depletes your body of glutathione. And when you take Tylenol, you're depleting your body of glutathione. And so people that have MTHR and then they're taking Tylenol, how that can impact you, your baby. And that's where this autism, you know, comes in the mix. It's like, this is not something to play with.

Why in the world would you jeopardize? your baby's health in that way to make a political point. And to me, that just gets to a deeper mental issue, a mental crisis that we're in, that you would do that. I mean. 100%. Like, yeah, something's wrong already, right? That you would go there.

But also I would say, pay attention. Why is it that our grocery stores are now often called food and pharmacy stores? Because one side of the place gives you something that makes you sick. and the other side gives you the thing that's ostensibly the cure. These over-the-counter things, they are just telling your body to be quiet. I suggest getting off all the over-the-counter stuff and pay attention to where you get your nourishment from. And I suspect it won't be the grocery store.

What can you share that you've learned about blood sugar? Ah, this is a good one for me because I used to teach exercise classes and I would start to get sweaty and shaky early on in teaching the class, and it wasn't because I was working too hard, it's because I would have a blood sugar dip. And so I was eating at the time, Alex, for breakfast, cereal with low fat milk and maybe a couple of berries. And it couldn't sustain me. And so I was like on a blood sugar roller coaster.

So I'd feel the blood sugar dip. I would grab a power bar. This is before I knew anything about nourishing myself well. And I would just do take whatever I could in to lift me back up. And I thought, I guess I'm just one of those people that needs to graze frequently. No, no, no. If I had been giving my body real nourishment, like I said, the logs and not the kindling, the fats. the proteins that my body needed and craved, I could have avoided all of this.

And so some of our kids are also on this. They're just getting a mid-morning snack at school and then they're eating whatever, tossing out the cheese and eating the ice cream sandwich, and they're just up and down. So to get away from that, I think we need to follow a mantra that my friend Lindsay Willen told me years ago. She said, never let sugar enter your body unopposed. And I was like, ooh, that's good. So if you're going to have an apple, which turns into glucose, right, or fructose, have cheese with it or peanut butter, right? Or if you're going to have something sweet, anything, let's say you're going to have some pancakes for breakfast.

Okay, you can have pancakes, but make sure to have the sausage and the eggs too. Just don't let that sugar enter your body unopposed because you'll end up on this up and down cycle, mood-wise, but also physiologically. What is your advice for the mom who says, I can't eat real food, it's all too expensive? It may not be as expensive as you think. If you get your eggs, for example, from the farmer's market and do that instead of like three bags of chips, I mean, this is the thing. It says on sale, but just remember that what's cheap ends up being expensive in the long run. I was buying Raymond noodles for my family because it was like $10 for $10. It was like a dollar a package and I didn't know that it was full of MSG and all these flavors and chemicals just to make me think I was actually serving my family something.

Oh, it was such a mess. But what if I spent that $10 on a small roasted, a chicken that I could roast and then turn into making that one meal where I could make tacos and another meal while I could make some bone broth? Like you can stretch your food dollar incredibly. But I'm telling you this, it won't cost that much more money, but it will cost time. And sometimes both of those are at a premium, right? So I get it. But if you stick a chicken in the oven, it's not going to take that much time. Put some butter on it, maybe some garlic and orange in the middle of it.

You know, stick it in for an hour. you're going to have an amazing meal for your family. Make sure that your family's meals are nutrient dense. But I will say something else too. Nutrition isn't just the food that you take in. It's also the spirit in which it's taken in. So yeah, start with a prayer before you eat your meal. Make sure you're making eye contact. Have a little rule of no phones at the table. And I know with teens, that's not easy. But if you just institute it and make it a habit and just put your phones away all in the same place in a little basket, whatever, they'll get used to it. And maybe they can actually, well, I know, they will benefit from that true connection that they might not get

at other times of the day. Is counting calories the biggest nutrition scam? Oh my gosh, 100%. What? Who ever said that was a good idea? I never did it because maybe I'm not good at math, but I just don't think it's a good idea. But I'm surprised that some people are still doing it. I think all the number things are the nutrition scam. I wouldn't even say, you need this formula. You need this much protein per pound of body, you know, wait. I just am like, who can do all that math? Eat until you're satiated. Focus on the proteins and the fats and you will be fine.

How does nutrition during pregnancy affect a child's health decades later? In utero is the most important and critical time for that baby. Your baby is literally getting building block that will serve it for its adulthood until adulthood. So you need to give it the best food you can now. You can't go back. You can't backpedal. I'm sorry to say. So nourish yourself as best you can while you're pregnant,

making sure to get more than enough of the macros. And I would say even we did a Wise Traditions podcast, I think with Sandrine Pettis called the Motherhood Diet. And I also did one with Sally. I think it's called How to Have a Healthy Pregnancy. I would refer people to check those out. Because do you know in China, pregnant women have like six to 10 eggs a day, a day.

And we were told for a long time to avoid. eggs. No, these are full of the glutathione you just mentioned and other micro nutrients and not to mention the fat and the yolk. It's so nourishing. It's nearly a perfect food. Eggs and milk and meat are like my favorites. But so nourish yourself with those. And then if you need other things, yes, oysters are fabulous too for the zinc and all those other trace minerals. But do the best you can by your baby. And this is what Dr. Price noted when he traveled the world. It wasn't just that they were eating well, but they would set apart foods to make sure. to give to parents of the childbearing years.

That is so fascinating to me. So they would make sure they got the liver and the best butter from pastured cows and so forth because they knew that they needed the nutrient density most of all. Why did traditional cultures make sure that they soaked, fermented, or soured their grains? They knew because they had wisdom. And I would say they had wisdom from on high. Because where did the wisdom come from? Okay, they might have gotten it from their grandparents and they got it from their grandparents,

but where did it originate from? So this is what I love about the Wise Traditions podcast and also the wisdom I love to share. It's not mine. It's not Sally Fallon Morales. It belongs. It comes from God. And so how can we embrace that? How can we implement it into our lives? It's about I think we need to do a little bit more introspection. And when I was in Australia, I met this Aboriginal woman who said, in our culture, we have the custom of didiri, which is of deep listening. And she said, I was going to be a Vidal Sassoon hairstylist, she told me. She said, but now I have custodianship over acres and acres of land where my tribal people once lived.

It was so fascinating, Alex. And when she said that she had this custom of didiri, I thought, that's like Psalm 4610 that says, be still and know that I am God. I think we need to take in more stillness so we can have the discernment to know how to nourish ourselves and our families best. What is the average American doing wrong when they cook beans? The thing is, the wisdom that the culture is implemented when it came to beans, seeds, nuts, and legumes, is that they knew instinctively somehow. I don't think they knew there were anti-nutrients or phytic acid or something that they had to get rid of, but they knew that they had to be soaked.

And what happens in that process of with warmth and humidity and time and acidity is that the anti-nutrients get neutral. so that you can get the benefit of the nutrients in the food. For example, when you're going to make sourdough, that's the best grain or the best way in which you can consume bread. It's the actual nutrients of the grain are released and the anti-nutrients are neutralized. So sourdough is a bread that's fermented over time. And so the same thing with beans. Like beans in Mexico, they soak them all the time.

And it's because it gets rid of the things that are making them hard to digest. the reason people have issues, digestive issues when they eat beans and even sometimes seeds and nuts and legumes, is because they're not properly preparing them. So the people knew this instinctively, though, they didn't know the science behind it. Wow. I know it's so fascinating. So when you buy beans in the can, that's okay. But chances are they're just in water in there and it's still the same as getting the dried beans without preparing them properly. So it's a little bit of work. But actually, I think the Weston A Price Foundation has a chart that shows you how to prepare these so that they don't do your body in it. damage and you can get the most nutrient density out of the food. Can your bone density be improved by food? I think so. Yes, 100%. And here's why. Because what you take in goes in, not just to your muscles and your hormones and all that, it goes into the bones as well. So you need calcium. You need glycine. You need the different minerals and vitamins that are available. But I would also say this, like heals like. That's what the people who are in the homeopathy circles say, because I think That's what Hahneman said, who is the founder of homeopathy.

So have more bone breath if you want to have stronger bones. You know, have more muscle meat if you want to have stronger muscles. Like go for it. Go for what you think your body needs and invite it in in that way. It definitely can help bone density. It's not just walking around in a weighted vest, though I do do that as well. But it's like what you take in that makes a difference. And I have a little story.

So when Mitch and I worked with a youth group at a church for a while, there was a young man. he spent most of his days drinking soda and playing video games, typical teenager, really. And he was running across the field to meet Mitch and he tripped on something. He broke both of his femur bones. Like he broke them both and we're like, how did this happen? I think it's because the soda was depleting the bone density that he had. Like soda is actually a stealer. It's not just a neutral.

So if you're like, oh, I still love my soda. Yes, it steals. What? It steals. Okay, because just full transparency, I probably allow myself. to have like two Dr. Pepper's a year. Well, I don't think that's too bad. Probably.

I think your body can handle it because you're strong. But yeah, no, I wouldn't have soda at all because it's a thief. It's a thief. So it was taking away from his bone density. And here he was only like 15 breaking both bones. And by the way, I don't know if you know this. But in the military, there are more and more injuries, more and more issues. Because the young men and women that are going into the military are on this standard American diet.

And there's a reason they call it sad. The standard American diet is just eating whatever comes your way. Fast food and DoorDash and Uber eats. And it's not doing our bodies any favor. It's not building the bodies. It's breaking them down. Why should we be including more fermented foods in our diet? This is one thing that our ancestors had all over us is that they had a very diverse diet.

And it was enzyme rich. We're kind of eating a dead diet. all the food on the supermarket shelves, it's not alive anymore. And I always like to say, if it has a long shelf life, it'll likely shorten yours. Because it's full of these preservatives and what do preservatives do? They hold everything in together intact. So even when it goes through your digestive tract, it's hardly giving anything out. So that's one reason those foods are no good.

But fermented foods are alive, incredibly alive. They got probiotics and prebiotics and enzymes. And our ancestors knew also that they could preserve food this way. What they might not have known is that they were enhancing the very food they were trying to preserve. So let's go back to the people in Alaska and Canada who were like chopping up the cabbage after they harvested it. And they were putting it with some salt in some jars so they could have it over the wintertime. They were just trying to hang on to it so they could still have it during the times of scarcity. What they didn't know is actually that whole process, like magic happens.

My fermenting friends say it like does exactly what I was saying before that the soaking and the sprouting does. It makes the nutrients more bioavailable. But on top of that, it's giving you extra enzymes. They even say that one spoonful of sauerkraut gives you more probiotic strains than any probiotic pill you could get from some salesman online. So why not go for the cheaper and tastier version to diversify your gut microbiome? Is the average person's daily sugar intake a lot worse than they realize? Oh my gosh, 100%. Because there's not just sugar in chocolate or Twizzlers.

There's sugar in virtually everything. I'm shocked to say it's in things like ketchup and crackers. Even deli meat. I know. It's crazy. So we have hyper sweetened our palate. There's no reason kids are like, I don't want that fish. It's not sweet. We're just used to it all the time.

Oh, my gosh. And it's so detrimental. Really, sugar, like I said, that's probably the sugar. is the robber from the soda that I was talking about. And that was one of the big thieves that Dr. Price pointed to. He was like, oh, no. He told his nieces and nephews in some letters, he's like, I'm not trying to lecture you, but I'm just saying you need to eat foods that will build your bodies so that you can have strong children one day and your children can as well. Again, it's investing in generational health that he was inviting them to. Is grass-fed grass-finished

meat nutritionally different enough to actually matter? Well, to matter to who? Because so I think there are tears, Alex, right? So like you and I are, I would say, super crunchy, you know, now, right? So we've been radicalized, as you like to say. And so we get it. We understand. And so we're trying to get the best of the best. And then there's the mom who's like, I want to feed my family of seven. How am I going to do it? So I want to say, do the best you can within your budget. Any meat is better than no meat. And so if it doesn't say grass fed, grass finished, if it just says grass fed, you know that means it might not be grass finished. Or if as product of the USA, it might be actually that it was simply chopped up in the USA. The cattle were shipped from somewhere else. I wouldn't worry too much about all those details, honestly,

but if you do want the best and you don't want an animal that was grain fed, because honestly, what they eat goes into you too. You're not just what you eat. They say you are what you eat. You are what you eat eats. So you don't want animals that have been eating GMO corn or soy. and that is the case with a lot of animals from confined animal feeding operations. Let me just brainstorm out loud with you. Okay. And you tell me like this, no, I disagree, and that's fine.

Yeah. Would you say if you are really bawling on a budget and when it comes to meat shopping, you know, your pork, your chicken, your beef, if you could only pick some things that needed to be pasture raised or organic or grass fed, whatever, I would almost tell them,

do whatever with the beef, but pork for sure I would be wanting organic or you know I would be looking for that no nitrates, nitrites I would be very concerned about pigs

because pigs are literally eating twinkies and trash like they're giving them wrappers like plastic to eat so they're literally eating garbage so to me I would just avoid pork entirely or I would make sure that that pork is coming from an organic farm

I think that's smart Because even the fat of the pig stores toxins. Yeah. So it's got all kinds of stuff. So like I would be putting it in a tear system like that. Like, hey, we're going to save on our beef, but we're going to make sure that we are getting organic pork or we're not eating pork. Or I would say even with chickens, they are being fed soy and glyphosate grain and all this GMO crap. I would be really wanting my chicken to be organic.

I would too because I'm just picturing them in those concentrated animal feeding operations. You know, they're so stressed and they're so unhappy that they start like picking. their feathers off. I don't know if you know this. And then what they do, instead of making them more happy and less stressed, they just kind of shave off their beaks a little so that they don't do that. It's so sad. And even the cows and the concentrated animal feeding operations, like, the thing is the energy of all those animals comes to us too. It's not just what they're eating that comes to us. It's that energy and how stressed and unhappy they are. And some of the animals that they slaughter, they literally are dragging them to the slaughterhouse. It's just, it's really,

it's very, very sad. So yeah, do the best you can, but see if you can find a local farmer and also someone in your farmer's market that can give you the cast-off bits. Awful. In other words, Oregon meats was called that because it was the off-bits.

But, you know, they're very affordable. If you're really struggling to make ends meet on a tight budget, don't be afraid to experiment. Heart, for example, tastes like muscle meat. It just tastes like ground beef. It's actually delicious.

And even tongue, which I can be squeamish about preparing myself, I have to say, But tongue makes some great tacos. Like, so those bits you can get for less. And especially if you know your farmer, sometimes people don't want to buy those bits. So you get those, your family's budget dollar will stretch and your kids' health will benefit. People are going to be asking you, why don't your kids get ear infections?

Why don't your kids have colds? And you can just be like, you know, listen to Alex Clark's podcast and you'll know why. Why do you think raw milk sparks such intense debate? Because it threatens the dairy industry. Honestly, that's what it is. And it's because it's different. People get scared, but did they ever think breast milk is raw milk? How you start life is drinking raw milk.

And God knows exactly what you need. And so the mother's milk is exactly perfect for that baby. You know, the formula no matter how they try to formulate it, can't compare. I mean, Sally Falamerell, as you know, came up with a homemade breast milk for the moms who feel like they're not lactating enough or to supplement or for a mother who adopted a baby or whatever. That's great. But nothing compares to breast milk. So raw milk is the same way. It is a living food that the calf benefits from, but also humans.

And for those who say only calf should be drinking it, not humans, talk to my side friends. You know, talk to my friends all over the world who drink the raw milk and who say that it really spared their health and help them in the lean times. Like, it is an amazing food, but it's threatening to the status quo. But guess what? It doesn't matter because there is a raw milk revolution happening right now. And I know you know it. Like it's so exciting. People are like, I want my raw milk.

When Sally Falamerell started the Real Milk Real Milk Institute, I think there were only like, I want to say like between 5 and 15 states where raw milk was legal and it's now legal in 47. We're almost there. I know. We're going to have a raw milk celebration party. 100%.

I think that would be so fun. I do have a question about the Western A Price formula. So I always recommend that for somebody that's like, okay, I do need formula. What do you recommend? I always send that recipe. But then I always get questions about how it says sunflower oil in it. So what is the, what's up with that? Is this like has time changed? Now you guys don't

recommend adding that. Is there something else? Or is, is there a reason sunflower oil is in it? Yeah, there's a reason sunflower oil is in it. Because mother's milk, mother's breast milk, has some omega six in it, I think. And so it's just to give a little bit of omega six. Okay, got it. Yeah. That's what, I think that's what Sally would say. Because I get that DM like tons. Because she has stood strong on that for so long and I'm pretty sure that's the reason. Okay, got it. Makes sense. do you think our obsession with food safety has caused other problems? Oh my gosh, 100%. Like, in other words, the government is so big on making sure everything is safe that they're

less concerned about if it's real. Like, they're so happy if it's safe, but that doesn't mean it's good for you just because it's safe. Like, that's why I'm more about a free market. I guess my libertarian friends are rubbing off on me, but they're just like, you know, hands off my food government. Like, let us do our thing. And then see who's healthier.

It's kind of like with a vaccine schedule, dare I say. But the thing is, should vaccines be out there? Okay, for those who want to take them. Sure. Just make sure it's informed consent and let me decide for my own family what's best. Don't force my family to do what you think is safe and effective because just because it's safe doesn't mean it's good. And vaccines for the mamas who don't know are full of adjuvants that create all these long-term health issues. So while your kid might not get the measles or the mumps or

Rubela. They likely will have autoimmune conditions, allergies, asthma, acne, and that's just the A part of the list of conditions that they're going to have. So I think you really need to do your homework. Look at the vaccine insert. And if you ask your pediatrician, I want to see that insert, you might be surprised that they don't even have it. And they haven't even looked at it themselves. Yep. So we really need to be the mama bears for the next generation. What were some new activities or foods that you tried or places that you visited last year that you were like, wow, that really served me and I'm going to be taking that into the new year. Yeah, I went to Columbia, South America, as I said earlier, and I was really blown away by the intentionality of the

wisdom keepers when it comes to sun, Alex. And I know you've had people talk about this before, but you might be like, well, I wanted to talk about diet. Sun is a part of our diet. It nourishes us. Some people say that two-thirds of our energy comes from the sun and only one-third from food. So it matters. We have become like astronauts under artificial light all the time. time, not even touching the grass. You know, so we need to turn things around and get that sunlight. I would go down to the beach in Columbia, South America, and the Adwako people were beating me to the sunrise.

They were already there because they say that the day has this arc and we need to avail ourselves of the early morning sun. And they also start early to start thinking on purpose. They're like prayerful people. And so they start their day with intention for the whole world, not just for them and their families. And so I was like, I was really moved. And I thought, you know, too often I'm a human doing and not a human being.

I need to get back to being still. Like I was saying, my Australian friend was reminding me too, to being still and starting the day on my own terms. I'm just really big on catching that morning sun and starting the day with gratitude. Because then I'm starting it with intention and purpose. And that sets me up for success with my family and with whoever I encounter. If somebody wants to take the steps to totally transform their health in the new year, what steps should they take? I would say start with the two yellow things, the sun and the butter. I'd really say, don't get overwhelmed.

There's so much information. There's so many influencers. And I get it. There's like a lot out there. But, you know, one person will say carnivore only. And then the other person is like, you've got to do, you know, ketitarian or whatever all that things are. And real butter. Real butter.

Yes. Some of it has canola oil swirled in and weird stuff. No, yes. Thank you for that. It has to be real butter for sure. You want the stuff that really nourish. is from the inside out. And Dr. Price is like, I can't recommend this highly enough. He was telling his nieces and nephews. He was telling the ladies guild wherever he went. And so I'm doing the

same. Sally does the same. Like butter is what I started with. And I can't recommend it highly enough. So those two golden things will go far to helping you transform your health. I like this for the episode title that 2026 is the year of butter with Hilba. Yes. I love it. I love it. If somebody gets involved in their communities or cities local Western A Price chapter, what will they learn? What will they discover what will they become a part of? Oh my gosh, they're going to be a part of a wonderful movement and community. People that care about taking their health into their own hands, they're going to learn so much. Whenever I go to the Weston Price circles, I'm always like, wait, you're a chiropractor, wait, you're an acupunate. Like, I learn from all the people and all

their modalities because Alex, health is multifaceted. I mean, the diet piece absolutely is foundational and really matters, and so does the sunlight, but so does sleep and so does exercise. Like, there's so many pieces, and there's always someone in the room that knows something that you don't. So you're going to be a part of a very welcoming and friendly community that's going to help you uplevel your family's health in tremendous unexpected ways. That's what happened to me. Well, and I think, too, this is like the ultimate networking thing to become a part of to find other like-minded, you know, health conscious people in your town. So, yeah, when people are coming to me like, well, who should I see this is a pediatrician? What holistic dentist? Even if the literal holistic dentist isn't a part of the Western A Price chapter in your city, somebody there is going to know who would recommend. Totally, totally. get connected to all of the best people, the best, you know, schools for kids, nature schools, whatever.

Like, they're all going to know. So it's like an ecosystem in your town, you know, to get you kind of squared away on all of that. So I think it's super important to do. You are currently the host of the Wise Traditions podcast. Where can people listen to that? On any podcast platform, it's on Spotify, Google Play, Apple Podcasts, the whole thing, Wise Traditions.

It's so much fun. There's such a breadth of information. It's about food, farming, and the healing art. so you'll learn a little bit of everything. And you have this amazing course that you're working on the mother code. What is it? When is it available? How can people get it?

I have learned from the experts I've interviewed for the past 10 years on the Wise Traditions podcast, but I've also had experiences, as you've alluded to. I've traveled the world. And I've also been a mom. Yeah, exactly. Been a mom. Thank you. I had four kids in five years.

So I've learned a lot about what it takes to be the best you can be for your family. And I also just really have a heart for the young. young mom out there who's like, oh my gosh, I can barely get one eye open in the morning, let alone go out to see the sunrise. I'm like, I've got you. I've got information, but also science, but also tips on how to apply these ancestral secrets to your life. I have six habits for endless energy. And the course is going to really unveil in January. But stay tuned because I hope to like roll out some stuff for free soon that will help, especially like I said, the moms. So they can be the moms on the monkey bars so they can be the moms investing in generational health for themselves

and for their children and their children's children. And so for the rollout and then the entire course, do they just need to follow you on Instagram? Yeah, probably, yeah. Okay, so at holistic Hilda. At Hilda on Instagram. And I've got my Holistic Hilda YouTube channel as well, where I do supplemental interviews.

So the Wise Traditions podcast is mostly audio. Like we have some stuff that's video, but I also have stuff where I'm just kind of bringing more to the table because I'm like, there's so much good stuff out there and so many people to talk to. So I'm bringing stuff on my YouTube channel as well. If you could offer one remedy to Heelisic Culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be? I would say it's from Jeremiah 6. And it's a

verse of mine that's a favorite. And it says this, stand at the crossroads and look. Ask for the ancient paths. Ask where the good way is and walk in it. And you will find rest for your souls. Wow. That is perfect for you. That is a perfect verse for you. I love it. I think it's perfect for everyone. We need to ask. We need to seek. We need to knock. And we will find rest for our souls. and the energy and vitality that is our birthright. Well, I always feel rest in my soul talking to you, just spending time with you. You are one of my favorite friends that I've made

in the last couple years. You've been so kind of me. Just behind the scenes, you guys don't know how much Hilda checks in shows up. Like, you are just, you are such a precious friend to me. And I've learned so much from you. So I really appreciate you coming out here and filming with me and I just love you so much.

Oh my gosh, I love you too. It's been so special getting to know you, Alex. And yeah, girl, let's do it. Let's change this world. The year of 2026 is butter. Yes, 100%. All right. Who's going to join me for oysters?

I love Hilda so much. I am so glad to have her back officially, as we have now, you know, rebranded the show in the last year. So great to have her, as always. I could talk to her forever about everything. And she is, I mean, the OG to do this in this space. She has been doing this for so much longer than me.

She knows so much. She is so rich with incredible knowledge of just the world and other cultures and how other people around the world are able to stay healthy despite, you know, not being fully vaccinated or eating tons of ultra-processed foods and seed oils. It's just amazing how that works. You know the drill. We post new episodes every Monday and Thursday at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern. However, we are now in the last couple weeks of the year holiday time. so we're probably going to be releasing episodes maybe a little off our normal schedule, just so that we don't release on an actual holiday.

So just be, you know, making sure that you're subscribed to the show and you're going to see episodes pop up whenever they pop up. And hopefully you just enjoy the sausage. You don't ask how the sausage is made. It's been such a fabulous year. Please don't forget to leave your five-star review letting me know which episode has been your favorite. I'm Alex Clark, and this is Culture Apothecary.