Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark - You’ll Never Look at Honey the Same Way | @beekeepers_naturals Carly Kremer
Episode Date: February 3, 2026Everything you need to know when shopping for honey and medicine! 🐝Carly, the founder of Beekeeper’s Naturals, dives into how bees impact our food, how pesticides affect our health, and why this ...conversation might completely change how you view “natural” remedies.🐝🍯 BEEKEEPER'S NATURALS: Use code 'ALEXCLARK' for 20% off sitewide!Thank you to our sponsors!GEVITI: Use code "ALEX" to get 20% off your first purchaseA'DEL NATURAL COSMETICS: Use code "ALEX" for 25% off first-time ordersCALIFORNIA MOBILE ACUPUNCTURE & Scottsdale LocationCROWDHEALTH: Use code “CULTURE” to get your first three months for only $99/monthJASPR: Use code "ALEX" to get $400 off your purchaseNATURAL SLOTH: Use code ALEX for 15% OFFOur Guest:Carly KremerCarly's Links:Carly's InstagramCarly's SubstackBeekeeper's Naturals WebsiteBeekeeper's InstagramBeekeeper's Facebook👗 Get Alex’s freshest fashion picks and exclusive guest recommendations—delivered straight to your inbox!Sign up for the newsletter HERE: WEEKLY NEWSLETTER SIGNUPFOLLOW ALEX:Instagram | @realalexclarkInstagram | @cultureapothecaryFacebook | @realalexclarkX | @yoalexrapzYouTube | @RealAlexClarkSpotify | Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark Apple Podcast | Culture Apothecary with Alex ClarkSubscribe to ‘Culture Apothecary’ on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. New episodes drop 6pm PST/ 9pm EST every Monday and Thursday.DISCLAIMER: This content is for informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Always talk to a qualified healthcare professional for any health-related questions or decisions.
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Local organic honey in the United States is kind of a scam.
This is the problem with local bee products.
You buy organic blueberries, those blueberries are staying put.
The bees are flying.
The bees are going to forage.
So they're going to move around and they're going to get exposed to whatever is around them.
So I will not give my family local bee products.
So what should we be doing when we first start getting that itchy throat rundown feeling?
First thing you do, you want to spray propolis in your mouth.
How we get sick is we're breathing in air particles from other people who are carrying bacteria or viruses.
If we're spraying propolis in our nose, spring propolis in our mouth, we're creating a barrier.
We're creating a defense system, and we don't have to get sick.
Is local organic honey actually a scam?
Today, we're exposing what most people don't realize about the honey industry, immunity, antibiotics,
and the natural medicine industry with Carly Kramer, the founder of beekeepers' naturals.
She's a beekeeper, health advocate, and entrepreneur who built one of the fastest growing natural medicine brands in the world.
She started beekeepers' naturals after her own.
own health crisis with chronic tonsillitis and now sells one bottle of immune support
proppelous throat spray every 15 seconds. I had no idea until this interview how influential
bees are to all of the food that we eat and how the pesticides that we are continuing to spray
in the U.S. are impacting our food, our honey, our bees, and our immunity. To watch this episode,
go to Real Alex Clarke on YouTube or Culture Apothecary on Spotify. Every link that you could
possibly ever need is in the show notes. Don't forget to leave a five-star review and let us know
which guest you'd love for me to have on again.
Please welcome Carly Kramer, the founder of Beekeeper's Naturals to Culture Apothecary.
You shared that chronic tonsillitis was the beginning of your health journey.
Do you think that most of us are removing tonsils and we shouldn't be?
I don't think it's necessary for everyone.
I think there's different solutions.
And I think that people just don't know the basic hygiene for their immune system.
There's this thing called Propolis that the bees have been moved.
making for thousands of years that humans have been relying on forever that can completely modulate,
reset, and affect our immune system. And there are not just tonsillitis, but tons of things
that people are probably suffering with that they don't need to be. So when our tonsils are
inflamed, what do you think they're really trying to communicate to us? It's an immune response.
So in certain situations, if there's an infection, I think it's totally fair to get your tonsils
removed. But I think in a lot of situations, it's the immune system needing to be reset. And it's the
immune system needing to be supported. Starting to use propolis on a daily basis. I was able to totally reset my
immune system. I now use it on a daily basis. It's been years. I started beekeeping in 2012 and I still
have my tonsils today. And I have not had tonsillitis since I started working with the bees.
You had tonsillitis. You learn a lot about the immune system in this time. And then are you also working
in finances all of this is happening? Not yet.
So I started beekeeping in 2012. I was still in college. And yes, I was studying, but I was able to really focus on the bees, focus on my immune system. I was doing a lot of chemistry courses at the time. So I was able to bring the stuff I was learning in the apiary into the lab. And I was kind of creating this product line for myself. But it was a really authentic experience because I wasn't looking to start a big company or make some career transition. I was literally just thinking about how can I heal myself and how can I work with these incredible creatures that have
so much potential to change our health. So when did you decide, okay, I think I need to walk away from
this high achieving finance career to literally focus on bees? So after college, I went into finance.
I was at Goldman Sachs until end of 2016. And it was never authentic for me. I've always been
nature focused. And I had this great job on paper. I had a lot of debt when I graduated and I couldn't
turn it down, but I didn't feel like I was creating an impact the way that I wanted to. And I had
had such a profound health change and healing experience working with the bees. I felt like other people
could benefit from this and people deserve to know about this. So where did you go to learn more?
Was it somewhere in the United States? Was there some sort of retreat? So I started beekeeping
when I was in Canada. I grew up in Toronto. And I started working with the bees. I was in British
Columbia. And I had an amazing mentor there. And then I found another mentor in a part of
Canada called Queens. And so I was going there every single weekend working with the apiary.
There wasn't a retreat, but I found local beekeeping association meetings. And they have chapters
in every state, every province. So you can literally just find it online. But I started going to
local chapter meetings wherever I was and meeting with other beekeepers. And I started volunteering
with them. And I really learned everything working for free. Did you find there to be any glaring
differences between how we beekeep in the United States versus Europe and other countries? Yes. There's a big
pesticide problem in the United States. And you can't ignore that. And I think that shapes how we work with the bees
because the bees are pollinating flowers, plants, trees. If there's pesticides on the things
they're pollinating, it is getting into their system. It is getting into your bee products. And so for me,
now with beekeepers, I work with all sustainable, regenerative beekeepers, which means,
we keep the bees far away from pesticides.
It is very hard to do that in the current environment in the U.S.
I have so many friends in the U.S. who are incredible beekeepers that share these values,
but they can't really do it because their neighbors are spraying pesticides
or things are being sprayed locally,
and the bees will fly for a five-mile radius.
So it doesn't matter if the kive is sitting on certified organic ground.
If next door some dirty stuff is happening,
it's going to get into their systems and into your end products.
So when we're buying bee pollen or honey,
from a local beekeeper, and it says local organic honey.
That might be true for the plot of land it's sitting on,
but what you're saying is these bees are flying for miles around,
and so they could be going and picking up stuff
from some other plot of land that's filled with glyphosate.
Absolutely. So this is the problem with local bee products.
And let me just say, I want this to change,
because I love supporting local, I love shopping local.
And the beekeepers I speak to, they don't want it to be like this.
But what's happening is you buy organic blueberries.
Those blueberries are staying put, right?
They're not going to go get into the neighbor stuff.
The bees are flying.
The bees are going to forage.
So they're going to move around and they're going to get exposed to whatever is around them.
So I will not give my family local bee products.
This is crazy.
It's like local organic honey in the United States is kind of a scam.
Yeah.
Talk to me about propolis.
What is that word?
What does it mean when we're shopping for bee products?
Okay.
So propolis is another thing that the bees make.
They make honey.
they also make propolis. Propolis you can think of as the bees immune system. It literally comes
from plant and tree resins. So think of the immunoproproproperities of the plant itself. The bees are
collecting that, mixing it with their enzymes, and then they make propolis. And they use it to line the
entire hive and keep it germ-free. And for newborn baby bees, they actually line the cell wall
with propolis to create a sterile environment for newborns. So for the bees, it is how they protect
themselves from germs, bacteria, pathogens, anything that could hurt them. And for humans, we can really
use it in the same way to protect our body from any of the toxins, any of the bacteria that we're
exposed to and help to really bring inflammation down. It's cold and flu season as we speak. What are
Americans doing on a day-to-day basis that is not helping when it's this time of the year and everybody's
getting sick? So much. I feel like the conversation around immunity has always been reactive. It's like,
okay, I get sick. I hate getting sick. And then I take all of this toxic stuff just to put a band-aid on it and feel better.
but what are you doing on a daily basis to actually support your immune health? What does your
immune system hygiene look like? And so the average person right now, they don't have immune system
hygiene and they need it the same way you brush your teeth and, you know, wash your hands. It's a really
important part of caring for your body. So for me, my immune system hygiene, every single morning,
every single night, I spray my propolis spray in my mouth and I use my propolis nasal spray in my
nose. How we get sick is we're breathing in air particles from other people who are carrying
bacteria or viruses. That's going in through our respiratory system. So it enters through our mouth. It
enters through our nose. If we're spraying propolis in our nose, spring propolis in our mouth,
we're creating a barrier. We're creating a defense system. And we don't have to get sick. Plus,
the propolis itself, it's amazing for inflammation. It regulates your immune system. So for people
who are autoimmune, it can help to balance out their bodies. And it will strengthen your immune
system if you come into contact with anything that could hurt you. I'm obsessed with this verbiage,
immune system hygiene routine. Like, it's cute. You know what I mean? Like, I like that. Like,
that makes me excited and I want to do it because it makes it sound like it's like a get ready
with me, my immune system hygiene routine. Everyone needs one. I mean, we all have immune systems.
It's responsible quite literally for how we feel, but people aren't building the routine the way
they should. Okay, so what should we be doing when we first start getting that itchy throat run down
feeling? First thing you do, you want to spray propolis in your mouth. Propolis is it's been a
around forever. There's over 300 beneficial compounds. It is the most powerful, totally natural.
By the way, it's just as powerful as a lot of the non-natural stuff for the record. But it is the
most powerful thing you can do to support your overall immune health and stop that sickness before
it starts. So you want to be spraying that right away. I am obsessed with our nasal spray because
that is just if you're doing those two things, you just will not get sick. And I'm a working mom.
I have a busy life. I know all your listeners are also incredibly busy.
high-achieving people who have so much on the go. And you just can't afford to get sick. Like it just,
you can't, you can't take time off like that. And so if you're doing something on a daily basis to
nurture your immune health and care for your body in that way, you can really bypass cold and flu season
and make it through without any issues. Do you think that modern medicine is better at suppressing
symptoms than building immunity? I love modern medicine. I'm a big fan of it. There's a lot of amazing things
that have come out of that world. And there's a lot of things that we don't need. There's a lot of things
that have come out that are, you know, kind of predatory and really prey on people who want to and
deserve to feel well. And I think big medicine is a big problem. I think a lot of things are engineered,
not necessarily to heal you, but to help you feel better. So, you know, we can numb the throat so you
don't feel it. But what's happening in your immune system? What's happening inside your body?
not to mention what's happening with all those chemicals, those numbing agents you've just taken. So I think
medicine really needs a makeover here. And that's what we're trying to do at beekeepers naturals.
We're all about reinventing the medicine cabinet using clean, truly effective science-based solutions
that have been around in nature forever. What is something that we're told as normal when we're
getting sick that you think is garbage advice? The entire ethos of getting sick is kind of garbage,
because you don't have to get sick.
If you're treating your body the right way, you don't have to get sick.
And if you do, if you come into contact with something that your body can't fight off,
you can use tools to recover so much more quickly.
Like what?
I mean, Propolis.
Propolis, if you come into contact with something and you start using propolis,
it can take down the inflammation, it's supporting your immune system,
it's balancing your body.
So it will help you get back to feeling 100 way faster.
Things like, you know, the right probiotic system,
that can also really help you to heal,
quickly. Vitamin C is incredible. I take liposomal vitamin C and propolis every single day. You know,
taking a thousand milligrams of vitamin C, it's something that can seriously reduce your recovery time.
Do you think another thing that we're doing wrong as Americans is we're over cleaning things
and it's leading to us getting sick? Do you know what I mean? Like we're obsessed with hand sanitizer
and sanitizing soaps and bleach and chlorox. Do you think that's hurting us? I think it can. I think
that stuff definitely affects your microbiome. And so, you know, I love creating, I like to use my
own hand sanitizer with thieves oil and all kinds of stuff. But there's natural ways to do it. There's
natural ways to stay clean. But if we're overdoing it with the hand sanitizer, totally, it affects our
microbiome. I just wonder if we're weakening our immune systems because we're not letting ourselves
be exposed to germs. So for the hand sanitizer specifically, I'm much more concerned about our microbiome
than I am our immune system. But I think our immune system,
is getting weaker because of all the toxins we're exposed to in our environment.
I think, you know, we travel, we interact differently with the world today.
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If somebody was constantly getting sick, like, you have those friends that have kids and it's
like every other week, they're like, oh, so and so sick again, they're always sick.
Yes.
What is the number one question you would ask them first when they tell you, I just can't stop getting sick?
So I would ask them what they're feeding, their little one. If there's a high sugar diet, that's a problem. Sugar is a major immune system suppressor. And so starting there, I mean, I think so much can be solved with dietary changes. And then what are you giving them? Do you have an immune system hygiene protocol for your little one? My daughter's too. And for a long time now, I mean, she spray her nasal spray every morning. There was a while where she wouldn't let me spray the nasal spray. Babies don't love you putting stuff up their nose.
Now she's actually really into it. But I started her with the propolis throat spray. I was sprayed in her
mouth every morning. She loves the taste. She's been doing that since she was one years old. And my daughter
never gets sick. And I send her to play date sometimes. And I go to pick her up and I see like this kid with a runny
nose coughing. And I'm like, okay, cool. You could have told me. But I'm also not worried about it because my
daughter's not going to pick it up because she has really great immune system hygiene because she's doing the
things that she needs to do to, well, I'm doing them for her and her mom, but at this age,
but we're giving her the things that she needs to stay well to bypass these germs and these
exposures. What do you think antibiotics have done to our culture when it comes to immunity and gut
health? I think we way over-prescribe them and it's done a lot of damage to people's microbiomes.
So it's really interesting. When I started studying B-products and Propolis, Propolis is like the
original antibiotic. Before the advent of antibiotics, during, you know, it's all through history,
people have been using propolis because propolis is amazing at combating viruses and combating
bacteria. And so you put an antibiotic into your system. It kills all the bad stuff, but it's also
killing all the good stuff. And that has a lasting effect for your body. You need to replenish your
gut. You need to be taking probiotics. You need to be supporting your health after and during an
antibiotic situation. Propolis, it will kill the bacteria.
But it's not going to disrupt the microbiome in the same way.
It's something that our body can actually not just tolerate, but work with.
So it's good for reducing inflammation holistically.
There's actually a lot of studies that show that Propolis is amazing for gut health.
So things like Leaky Gut, Propolis actually helps to strengthen the tinctures in the digestive wall.
Ooh, I didn't know that.
Candida as well.
Propolis contains Pinocembrin, which acts as a fungicide for candida for overgrown use.
So Propolis has so many effects in the body to help you just feel well.
And that's why when I think about immune hygiene, I'm thinking about it in a really holistic way.
I'm not just thinking, how can we get rid of the runny nose or fix the scratchy throat?
I'm saying how can we reset our bodies so that we're not defenseless.
You know how like for UTIs and stuff people talk about in the holistic space?
Like you've got to be taking de Manos?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you feel like de Manos with Propolis?
That would be like a hundred percent.
I've had UTIs before and I always use Propolis orally and I've used it topically as well.
and propolis, there's actually studies that show that propolis has synergistic effects with antibiotics.
So anything you're taking to affect your immune system, propolis will really help to balance your body.
What does it mean when we're sick and we see products that say liposomal vitamin C? What is that?
Liposomal is a new delivery method. So when you take a capsule, you swallow a capsule of something, your body absorbs a percentage of it.
But it's not necessarily bioavailable. And it's a long journey from,
you know, through your digestive tract. There's a lot of heat. There's a lot of stomach acid.
Sometimes people are taking supplements and spending a lot of money on supplements. They're not even
getting any of the health effects from because it doesn't survive. It's not bioavailable. And so
liposomal is super bioavailable. It mimics the cell structure. So when you take something in a liposomal
form, it actually gets to the parts of your body that need it. So it's just much more effective.
It's a funny thing because there's so many supplements and the wellness industry is massive.
And, you know, I am a part of that world. And as a consumer, I have lost so much money. And I've
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Do you think that children's immune systems today are weaker than previous generations?
I think there's more sugar and more synthetic, dangerous ingredients in food today than there
has been in the past. I think the classes of pesticides being used and how pervasive they are is
so much worse than it ever was. And I think all of that really affects.
our children's immune systems. When do you personally reach for Propolis the most? Is it like when you're
traveling? Is it crowded spaces? Just the first sign that something feels off? All of the above. It's an
everyday routine, morning and night, every single day. And then I'll reach for my liposomal vitamin C with
Propolis in it before I got on an airplane. I will never travel without that product because you're
in an enclosed space and you're exposed to so much. What's in your purse like when you're
traveling on an airplane? I mean, I can show you right now. I just feel there. Yeah. Oh, I love this. I love going
people's things. This is what I have in here right now. Of course, my propolis spray. Yep,
your throat spray. This is every day. Okay, I love that your backs has saved the bees. You're so
on brand. I'm really on brand. I'm always talking about bees. This is my nasal spray. The lid came off.
Okay. But I sprayed this this morning. And then I have two liposomal vitamin Cs, which is probably
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Besides beekeepers naturals, what are some other fun things that are always in your medicine
cabinet. So I like things that have an NPN number or they're formulated to EU standards. I think
there's just different standards in those places. I all often email companies and ask for heavy metal
testing. And so I was just talking to my team this morning about the match I use because I've emailed
every company and I've got their like scores and everything. So I like to do things that way. And I use a lot
of food-based supplements. There's the certain supplements that I take every day that are not beekeepers.
I take a vitamin D and I really like Thorne. I think they've got really good practices. Pure Encapsulations
is another good brand. Designs for Health as well. Those three that I listed, I've spoken to their
founders. I like their testing standards. They're for the most part brands that retail in Europe and
so they know what it looks like to build a product there. But I also, I like things that come from nature,
that come from food, that come from the ground.
I think our bodies really know what to do.
And so I'm not a big believer in overloading with this supplement and that supplement.
The reason I love the products coming from the beehive is because they're kind of coming from
plants and honey and things that the bees are making.
And they're just really well integrated versus coming from a big lab that has, you know,
who knows what kind of contamination.
Are you into any other like wellness gadgets or products that aren't necessarily like
supplements. I'm insane about water quality. Reverse osmosis water. I'm checking water everywhere. That's like a
rabbit hole that I've gone down way too deeply. I love red light. I love hyperbaric oxygen. I've done
I've done total plasma exchange. If anyone has read my substack, I'm constantly talking about
toxicity in our environment and the tweaks we can make in our own life to help us stay healthy,
even though we're exposed to so much more today than we should be. So total plasma exchange, it's
replacing, it's taking out your plasma. It's kind of like an oil change for the body. It's like a super
new age thing. It's crazy expensive right now. It's not accessible for people. I only have access to
this because I work with a lot of doctors formulating my products and, you know, it's part of my job to
have access to these things. So it's not a thing that like people are really doing today, but I think in
the future it will be. And it helps to clean our plasma and pull a lot of these toxins that we've been exposed to
out of our body. What does the average person not realize about what they're keeping in their medicine
cabinets when it comes to conventional drugstore medicine? I think a lot of conventional drugstore
medicine is made to confuse and mislead you. And I'll tell you why. There's something called a
drug fact panel. You've seen it. You turn around your product and it says the calories, it says the sugar.
If you're doing a drug product, you don't have to disclose all of the drug fact panel. So sometimes people are
buying, I can think of someone in the lollipop space right now. We make lollipops at beekeepers
naturals. We disclose every single thing because our customers would never let us get away with
anything less than that, nor should they. But I can think of a company in the lollipop space that
makes immune-supporting lollipops for kids, and they have a drug fact panel. And so mom turns that
around. And by the way, if I didn't work in this world, I would do the same thing. So parents don't
feel bad if you've given these products to your kids. You turn it around and it doesn't say anything about
the amount of sugar, the calories, anything like that. So you assume, oh, there's no sugar in here.
This is healthy. Lo and behold, it's got six to 10 grams of sugar per lollipop. You're basically
giving your kid a Kit Kat bar and they have a sore throat. So there are products like that.
You know, same with the conventional cough syrups. You turn them around. It says no calories.
It says no sugar. You have to like pull apart the outside wrapper to see what's in it.
And then you see ingredients like food dyes that none of us should be taking. Refined Shelfare.
sugar's artificial sweeteners. You see ingredients like dextromythorphine and phenolephrine that
literally do not even work. This happens all the time because, you know, in my mom groups, I'll meet a
parent and they're giving their kid this cough syrup. And then I have to be like, okay, let me give
you all of this and please give that to me so I can throw it in the garbage because that's got
dextrom with orphan and phenolephrin in it. And your little one does not need that because
it's been proven that phenylophrine doesn't actually even do anything for our bodies.
there was actually a really big study looking at upper pediatric respiratory infections,
and it compared dextromithorfin to honey.
And the kids using honey, just as much relief as the dextrom with orphan.
So when you see a study like that, why would you give a kid a chemical?
When you are in a mom group or you're meeting new mom friends and they are giving their kids something that like you and I are like, no way we would never give our kid that.
How do you approach the subject to not like shame them or make them feel bad?
But inform them.
So look, it's really hard because being a lot.
mom is really hard. And I'm sure there are things that I have done or will do that could be
greatly improved. And for me, if somebody witnessed me doing something, I really would just
appreciate the constructive feedback. So usually this happens a lot, actually, because in my mom
groups all the time, people are like, oh my God, my little one's sick or I've got a newborn and
our three-year-olds at preschool and everyone at the preschool is sick. What do I do? And so I actually,
instead of being like, don't give this, I'm like, here, let me gift you.
some stuff. That's it. I don't tell them that I'm the founder of this company. I don't say anything.
I'm just like, I work for this company. Let me gift you some stuff. And they, a hundred percent
of the time, come back to me and are like, oh my God, that worked. I looked at the ingredients.
It's all natural. Should I be using this? And then it will kind of open the conversation.
And then they're like, oh my gosh, she's the boss. I know for me this propolis, royal jelly,
pollen, these ingredients from the beehive. It sounds so simple, but they've really changed my health. And
I just got lucky enough to stumble into beekeeping when I was a very young woman. And I know that I wouldn't
know these things had I not. So I just like to share that information when I can. I want to dive into
the honey quality conversation a little bit more. I know that people are going to hear that local honey,
or just because it says organic local honey, doesn't even mean that it's truly organic or
best. And they're like spiraling and they're going, that's it. I've had it. Nothing is good enough.
There's nothing I can do. What's the point of any of this? Like I know my audience. So what is your
response to them? Okay. So first of all, don't panic. Most people's bodies can process out some
amount of these chemicals. And honey has a lot of amazing benefits, but it's probably time to make a
change. So there's a big situation with honey. The local situation, the problem is the pesticides. But then when
you're buying honey, there's also a lot of honey that's cut with agave and corn syrup. And you see this a lot in
medicine, big brands that are starting to come out with products because people want natural. So big brands are
starting to come out with products that are honey-based. And you look at the honey and it's a proprietary
blend. Now, if I were to do a proprietary blend of honey, it would be like from my apiary in Spain and
my apiary in Brazil and this. But when I have taken some of these products and sent it to our lab to
reverse engineer and break down, I've found really large amounts of agave and really large amounts
of corn syrup. And what I've learned from talking to some other labs who we don't work with is a lot of
the time in proprietary honey blends, it's expensive because really, really good honey is expensive.
And so companies to take the cost down will cut it with other things. And so a lot of the honey on the
market is counterfeit. So really you need to find a brand that has pure high quality honey,
ideally coming from outside of North America, somebody who talks about sustainable beekeeping,
sustainable agriculture. I know it sounds like I'm describing my own company. Yes, we do that,
but there are also other people out there who are doing things the right way and it's just about
finding them. For somebody that just does not know anything about, you know, environmental toxins or
pesticides. When you say, you know, this bee may have drank a little bit of glyphosate. They're like,
who cares, whatever? It's still honey. Can you explain why the average mother should care about
her honey being filled with pesticides? Let's just look at the bees for a second. We've heard a lot
about colony collapse, about the bees dying. Before we even get into how the bees affect our health,
the bees pollinate one third of our food supply. If we lose the bees, we are losing all of our
natural food. Like we're creating a food desert. So what we've seen and studies have confirmed
this, neonacotinoid pesticides, they act as a neuroactive agent for the bees. So they're completely
messing up their spatial reasoning and to put it differently, scrambling their brain. Now,
that's what's happening in our little bees. We're much larger than bees, but we're ingesting
this stuff every day from a lot of different angles. And what we've, what we're seeing right now in
the environment, dementia, Alzheimer's, all of these neurodegenerative conditions are on the
eyes. We're seeing younger and younger people being diagnosed with cancer. We're seeing cancer in 30s and 40s,
whereas, you know, it used to hit older populations. So, you know, these things, it might, you might not
think it's affecting you or it might not be affecting you right now. But these things build up in
your body. And that's why it's really important. And this isn't about living scared and being scared
about all the toxins around us. It's about being informed so you can make choices. Because look,
we're exposed to toxins. There's no doubt. I am and I try to live.
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have those exposures. Propolis is one of them, things that I can do to reduce inflammation,
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Honey shows up in ancient and biblical texts as something sacred.
Why do you think that it was such a special superfood?
Propolis does too.
Leopatra used Propolis.
So honey is the only food on the planet that never expires. So think about the enzymes in honey.
They've found honey in Egyptian tombs that's still totally nutritionally intact. So honey,
Propolis Royal Jelly, these are incredibly powerful nourishing compounds that can help us really
change our health. And I think our ancestors knew that. And our ancestors experienced it. And bees have
been around since prehistoric times. Think about what they have survived. There's a
reason they survived. They have a very strong capacity to heal, protect, and regenerate.
What does eating bee pollen do? Be pollen, I like to think of it as nature's multivitamin.
It's really high in branched china amino acids. It's got, it's full of B vitamin. So it actually is
really great for boosting your energy levels. So it's kind of like, I mentioned that I don't like
taking a lot of stuff because I'm worried about contamination. B pollen is like you're getting a
multivitamin, but it's coming from something food grade. And so it's amazing for boosting.
energy for just covering your bases nutritionally. For all of my workout people, it's the best
at boosting your endurance. There's actually studies that have shown that when you take pollen,
it increases your blood huboglobin value, and that increases your endurance. So I love taking
bee pollen. I do a teaspoon every morning. Another thing I give to my little girl, like,
put it on her toast. I'll put it in smoothies. I put it on top of yogurt. Anywhere where you would
use like chia seeds or hemp seeds, I will sprinkle bee pollen. Can you like overdose on too much
bee stuff. Like, I mean, you're spraying Propolis spray. You're eating royal jelly. You're eating
bee pollen. Like, is there too much? So the only thing that you can overdo is bee pollen,
because for a lot of people, there's an allergy there. And that's why you hear about bee pollen for
allergies. People are actually microdosing with the allergen. For some people, that really works.
But allergies are not one size fits all. So when I talk to people with allergies who are doing
bee pollen, I actually say, hey, switch over to propolis. Propolis will reduce the histamine response.
and you're not at risk of overdoing it in the same way.
Bee pollen is especially ours.
I think just a conventional bee pollen from the store.
That's why you see photos on Instagram of like a smoothie bowl that's half covered in bee pollen.
If you did that with beekeepers naturals bee pollen, it would be way too much.
Bee pollen that's been heated and treated.
It's watered down on the enzyme front.
It's not as powerful.
Ours is a raw bee pollen.
So you want to start with like one fourth a teaspoon?
Yes, like less than a teaspoon.
You need so little and it's so powerful.
Now I do a teaspoon a day.
So you're telling us that it's better to have European honey, essentially, to stay away from pesticides.
But also, I was taught that to help with allergies, it's really important to have bee products from your local environment to help with allergies.
So are you just weighing the pros and cons and saying pesticide use matters more?
So here's the thing.
The allergy argument totally makes sense in the olden days.
In the olden days, we think about farms in the olden days, some blueberries, some apples,
some wildflowers, there's a bunch of different things. If you look at a farm today, it's got a
dedicated single monocrop. We've got our almond farm and our avocado farm. They're not growing
a bunch of different things. So local oftentimes means exposure to one of these big corporate monocropped farms.
So the idea behind the allergies is you're getting a little bit of exposure to all these different
plants that will help your body to work with these different plants when you're exposed to them
and you're not going to get the puffy eyes and runny nose that you once did. So it's just,
it just doesn't work like that anymore, unfortunately. And again, propolis is a, it reduces
the histamine response. So it doesn't matter if you're getting propolis from Brazil, Japan,
or New York City. It's going to limit the histamine response. And that's a great way to treat
allergies. Can food influence gene expression? Yes, absolutely. I mean, so much influences
gene expression. Our lifestyle completely influences it. And so I think the foods that we're ingesting
and the different toxins and pesticides that are either there or not present on those foods,
those things are influencing our bodies in a massive way. So are your products actually regenerative
in organic? So we're not certified organic simply because I don't believe in certified organic for
B products. It's more of, I guess we are technically organic, but it's more of like a statement
because I like to really educate people about what organic means.
Because I think organic, when it comes to bee products, as we've talked about,
is kind of a way of confusing and tricking people.
And so I don't like to say that,
but I like to say that we have sustainable regenerative practices,
which go beyond organic.
The biggest thing we do that goes beyond organic is making sure that there is zero
pesticide exposure, not just for our bees, but for a five-mile radius surrounding.
So what that means is our apiaries are in the middle of no.
When I go visit our apiaries, it's intense.
Like I'm, like, on a plane for 12 hours and then I'm driving for like four.
Yeah, but then I get there and I'm like, oh, this is magic.
I get you just go be with my bees.
But we're keeping bees in the middle of nowhere, frankly.
This is how we choose our geographies.
We're working in places where there's better pesticide regulation.
So in Europe, there's much better pesticide regulation than there is in North America right now.
So we're doing a ton of work in Europe.
And then we're going to like kind of middle.
of nowhere location. So it's proximity to a forest. It'll be in the mountains. That's what our
apiaries look like. So we are really removing pesticides from the equation. And then we also do
batch testing. So once our product comes back, just in case, because I can't be at every location
all the time looking over everyone's shoulder. So we will test for every pesticide toxin and
pollutant in accordance with Health Canada, which is more rigorous than the U.S. So, you know,
we're really making sure our products are clean. And we do that one because it's, you know,
honest. It's what I wanted and what didn't exist. And two, because we have customers that are people
who are longevity focused, people that, you know, are just looking to support their health, live as long
as possible and feel the best that they can. And then we have customers that are dealing with
serious chronic illness. And in those situations, those customers can't even ingest trace amounts
of this pesticide or this toxin. So we take it seriously. You would love to be able to say we're made
in the USA. I would love that. Are you kidding? It's not even possible because of how bad it is.
It's not possible right now. Is it true that certain agricultural chemicals are decimating bee colonies in the United States? Yes. What happens if the bees cease to exist or at least dramatically decrease in the U.S.? If the bees dramatically decrease in the U.S., we are going to be spending like $50 to buy an apple. So bees pollinate one-third of our food supply. They literally, what that means is these literally allow our food supply to grow.
If we lose the bees, it is going to get very expensive, very quickly to buy fruits and
vegetables, to buy these natural items that are pollinated by bees, not to mention the ripple
effect in our entire ecosystem.
Bees pollinate clover who feeds on clover, cattle.
How are people going to continue raising cattle with a clover shortage?
How old was your daughter when you started having her eat honey?
So I breastfed for a long time and I was eating all this stuff every day.
So I feel like she got some in her system.
but I started really giving it to herself at one years old.
Okay.
Okay.
So, botulism, I started giving her propolis before she turned one.
Okay.
The concern there with no honey before one is botulism, and that's a contamination risk.
And look, I don't ever want to tell anyone to mess with that rule just because it's too precious, so I wouldn't.
But I think propolis is really an incredible thing to get into your system.
And I think starting at one, it's a...
an amazing way to set a little one up for life.
What is this I hear about beekeepers living longer than the average person?
And lowest incidence of cancer of all professions.
Really?
Why do you think that is just all the bee, the proppolis stuff?
Every beekeeper I know is getting high on their own supply.
Every, every, every bee, we all ingest so, all of our bee products.
We really do it.
It becomes such a part of your life.
And then I think being around the bees is incredibly calming and good for the soul.
if anybody has never tried anything from beekeepers naturals, which honestly, I don't even know how
that's possible. I have been using beekeepers natural products for years, been recommending them to
my audience for years, my staff, anytime somebody's get sick, I'm buying them the propolis throat
spray. I'm like, you need to take this. It'll cut your sickness in half or like catch it before
you even begins. I have always been a fan, and so I was so delighted that you wanted to come on
the show and that I guess a bunch of people were telling you that you should come on, which is so
exciting to me. But I want to know, like, for those people who haven't tried it, what are the products
they should start with? Start with Propolis. And I'm pretty sure Propolis is our most, like our
propolis spray is our most affordable product. So that's a great place to start. But I think everyone
should be having Propolis every single day. You'd buy your Propolis. You do four sprays a day.
You will see how you feel. It is, it's different. It's a different world. Where can people buy
your products? We are available all across the U.S. You can find us at
Target, Walmart, Sam's Club, sprouts, Whole Foods, Amazon, we're available on our website.
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Okay, insane. Now, I'm going to be loved my card up because that's
That's incredible. Thank you so much. If you could offer one remedy to heal us at culture,
physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be? I think love and kindness is number one.
And that sort of affects everything. If we're acting with love and kindness, we're not going to
spray pesticides that are hurting people and causing all kinds of illnesses all over our world.
And we're not going to be at each other's throats over things that we, that, you know, should be
uniting us. I think that the whole world just needs a little bit more love and kindness.
and a stronger ability to work together and support each other.
Okay, other random fun question.
How hype were you last year when Butter Yellow was having a moment?
Oh, my God.
For me, it's never stopped having a moment.
I was thinking, I bet she wears yellow today.
And you did.
That's so cute.
Okay, thank you so much, Carly, for coming on Culture Apothecary.
Thank you so much for having me.
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