Determined Society with Shawn French | Adversity & Mindset - Keeping Paul Walker’s Heart Alive Ft. Tyrese Gibson & Cody Walker

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

Tyrese Gibson and Cody Walker join The Determined Society for a powerful conversation on FuelFest, Paul Walker’s legacy, Reach Out Worldwide, cars, music, faith, purpose, and what it means to build something that lives beyond you. What began as a shared love for car culture has grown into a global movement that brings people together through cars, motorsports, music, and community. At the heart of FuelFest is a deeper mission: honoring Paul Walker not only through memories, but through action, impact, and continued support for Reach Out Worldwide, the disaster relief organization he founded. In this episode, Shawn French, Tyrese, and Cody talk about carrying Paul’s legacy forward, the emotional responsibility of building FuelFest, and the power of creating spaces where people from different backgrounds can come together through something they love. Cody reflects on what it means to continue his brother’s mission, while Tyrese shares a passionate message on faith, action, determination, and the urgency of using your life to create impact before your time is up. This conversation goes beyond cars and entertainment. It is about brotherhood, legacy, service, purpose, and the determination to keep showing up for something bigger than yourself. The Determined Society is hosted by Shawn French — a show for people who refuse to quit. Every episode goes beyond the highlight reel to explore the real stories behind resilience, reinvention, and the relentless pursuit of a life built on your own terms.   Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and all others.. If this episode moved you, share it with someone who needs to hear it — and leave a review. It helps more than you know. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Every time we do a fuel fest, you just never know what you're going to see. But you guys have so many other ones coming up. You have Chicago. You have the UK coming up. We have 11 in all this year. Find somebody else who has turned 30 seconds into 30 years. And you got to accept the fact that you're going to fail a lot, but you're going to learn from the failures. Either you're going to come up with a million excuses to become them, or you can recognize your individuality and go get it.

If you push away those opportunities, then you're going to come up with. you never grow into the man you're supposed to be. We are reminded of death every single day and it's arrogant to believe that the next seconds of life belong to you. Bringing people together is especially important right now. We're just in disbelief and hoping that we show up every day and create these experiences that people can never compare to anything they've ever had. It was really started off as a really simple idea of just like getting people together that

enjoy cars or the films or comments. of the two. They always make narcissism into a negative, but there is an aspect of self-belief and willpower and determination. Determined society. Y'all ready for this? Come on.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Determined Society, Tyrese Gibson and Cody Walker. Good to see you, boys. Yeah. In person this time. Yeah, dude. Look at that, dude.

Yeah, yeah, man. It's great to see you guys. Thank you for having this, man. Yeah. Tyrese, you know, you got, you're over there. You know, you feel good on that couch. Feeling good, right? Yeah, man, I realized after being here for like 10 minutes that there has to be some Tylenol P.m. inside of these pillows.

Mm. Yeah. Maybe Ambien. Is this an ambient couch? That's where it's from. Yeah, it's in the creases. NyQuil. Something that's to do with.

Benadryl, maybe. Very, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I moved over here so you guys can have the room, you know. So I'm over here on the island, man. We're on my island. If I fall asleep like Donald Trump in the middle of this interview.

Keep it one shot on Cody, okay? Keep it on Cody. With the eyes. Cody with the eyes. Look at them. Look at them. More than meets the eyes. But man, it's so good to see you guys.

We're here in L.A. Of course, you guys have Fuel Fest here tomorrow. But you guys have so many other ones coming up. You have Chicago. You have the UK coming up. Yeah. I actually got my little cheat sheet because we have 11. We have 11 in all this year.

Wow. So we actually are, we started off in Doha, Qatar, and then we went to West Palm Beach. We went to Tampa. We were in Dallas. Then we were in the Bay Area just recently. And then we turn it right back. We come down here. June 13th, this Saturday is Fuel Fest, SoCal at the O.C.

Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa. And then, man, we go on to Chicago. Then we're headed off to the UK. then Japan, then we go to New Jersey, and we finish the year off in Arizona. See, now you know your schedule. Now you know you, you finish off where, you know, you can just be now, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah. But I didn't throw days in there. Yeah, exactly. I know, but it's fine. Markets. At least you know where you're going to be now. Days like, yeah, yeah. What's this season been like for you guys, man?

It just keeps growing and growing. I think he was saying it earlier. It's like we're kind of on a magic carpet right right now. Yeah. It's been really cool. That's really cool. Yeah, snowballed. What about it, man?

Like the magic carpet ride. What specifically, let's dig in there because, you know, I mean, there's a big purpose behind it with Reach Out Worldwide. And, you know, everything that you guys are doing to build this thing, man, it's just, it's mission driven, it's purpose. And I would imagine that that is what makes it a magic carpet ride. Yeah. I mean, it's putting this together, it really started off as a really simple idea of just like getting, people together that enjoy cars or the films or combination of the two, you know, that enjoy motorsports that enjoy music. You know, music is not my background. That's Ty's background,

you know. And so it's kind of, we've created this really beautiful thing that has this cool draw to it. And, you know, I always say, you know, you just look around like globally. Love of Cars, love of music. You know, that's a global, you know, that's a universal language. It is. People enjoy that. It doesn't matter what you look like or where you come from. People of all sorts, all types, all backgrounds, love music.

They love cars. And behind Fuel Fest, there is a purpose. And a portion of the proceeds of every event go to supporting Reach Out Worldwide that Paul founded. that all of us that knew him and loved him see as a part of him that he left behind and that he funded 100% on his own and was not set up to succeed without him.

It just wasn't. We lost him at 40 years old. Not everything was in order, in a way that he would have liked. No one's ready. Who's ready for that, man? You know, we thought he had another 80 years to go. You know, if you're just like,

man, that guy's going to live forever. You know, Paul is just bulletproof. Paul is just, you know, stuff just bounces off that guy. So to be able to do this and to be able to say, hey, we're knocking on the door of raising a million dollars for reach out worldwide, possibly as early as this weekend. We are very, very close. So I'm hoping that it's going to push us over. It's going to be a huge show on Saturday. So I'm very optimistic that that's going to happen.

So to be able to say that. I've been waiting. That's insane. We're waiting to say that. Tyreys I've been waiting to say this. I remember when we did it. I think it was like last March or something like that or maybe early April in 2025. We did this and we did it virtually.

And I think you guys were right around 600 Gs or something like that or coming up on it. Yeah, coming up on it. So like you've two X'd it. You know, you've doubled it in this year. And you know what? You know how things. It's compound interest. Right.

Ty's like all of a sudden you do you do that this year and watch next year. Maybe you do a million just in one year. It's that growth, man. It's that growth. You said something interesting. I want to ask Ty about it. You're talking about the universal language of cars and music and this culture, right? For me, I love.

I love music. My wife loves music, my kids, and it makes me feel a certain way. You know, what about cars and music is so alike that allows that same type of love and respect towards each one of them? I mean, although they have silent movies, there's no action movie without sound. If you want to watch a romantic film, some of the best scenes in the movie pulling at your heartstring

is going to have the right music playing in the background. Usually one doesn't exist without the other. So, you know, the good thing about cars and car culture is that, you know, although we live, in a world where this administration or just other people may be trying to separate and say you belong over there you're this you're that they cannot stop the love affair that has been going on with cars for you know 150 years the idea that people can customize their cars I think I look at I look at cars to me as like a common denominator, right? So you could show up with a pair of Michael Jordan shoes that's worth $4,000. And you can get your ass whooped with somebody wearing a pair of pro wings.

Because it's the skill. It's not what you pay for. It's the skill. And that levels the playing field every single time. Oh, you got a $700,000 Lamborghini. you just got your ass smoked by a skyline. Like whatever that might be. Not comparing the two,

because I don't know engines like that, but it's like everything about the culture for me, it levels the playing field, and it's really about heart. It's almost like getting into a fight. You could be 120 pounds fighting a 300 pound, or if you got the heart, you'd knock the dude out. And that's what I love.

Every time we do a fuel fest, You just never know what you're going to see. We get kids in diapers and strollers all the way up to 85-year-olds who just all want to pull out their favorite car and just let the world know, I still do this and I still do it on a real level. So I'm pertaining to the money that's been raised with Paul,

double triple X, whatever that language is. To be honest with you, man, we don't really think about the money over the heart that's behind it, So sometimes somebody could say, take $500. And if there was no heart connected to the gesture, then you have money and you're just giving out money. But if somebody's like, oh, man, I really need it. I'm down on my luck.

I'm this and I'm not. That $500 means so much more. That's it. So the fact that Paul was putting up all this money on his own, putting 15 people on the plane at a time for every natural disaster. and Cody Walker answered the call. I answered the call. And it's cool to love people while they're here, but what you're going to do on their behalf

if they ever suddenly transitioned, no matter how young, what race, what nationality, and we had to shift quickly into doing everything on his behalf because we loved them that much. We loved them while we was here, and we still love them right to this day. And this is beyond an Instagram post. Like we wake up every single day.

Like how do we keep his message, his stories, his heart, his vibrations alive. And so I'm sitting here with Paul's brother. And he's sitting here with Paul's brother. And we celebrating Cody birthday on Saturday. Happy birthday. Thank you. The paraphernalian, the drones is going up in the sky. Damn.

Yeah, we're going to be. And you're leaving. And you're taking your veins, which. You have a good reason to not be here. I do. I do. I feel bad, but yeah, if you could be on FaceTime or something, you know, I'm just, I'll face time. FaceTime. It's about to be real. It's one of one of one of one of one. Yes, one of one of one of one. I want to comment on something that you said. And I want permission to you're talking about you guys love them beyond a Facebook post.

Man, I want you guys to know something, even for the world that did not personally know your brother. and your brother. We love him equally. We were having a conversation the other day, me and my team, there was tears when he passed. You have to understand that the world still feels it. I know it's 13 years coming up. Every November, I remember.

Everybody remembers it, man. Everybody remembers it. And he was loved by so many. We still love him. We may not have known him, but it still impacts me to this day. I just want you. guys to know that.

Oh, thank you. And so that was the legacy, that's the legacy of that man, you know, because bringing people together is especially important right now. And you started, you alluded that, that you were starting to talk about that. You belong over here. You belong over here. But at Fuel Fest, you get all races, all ages, all different religious beliefs, all different political beliefs, but you know what's happening on those days?

Everybody forgets about it because they're in. engulfed in what matters. And that is human connection and it is a cause and it's fun. And it's a certain culture. There's questions for both of you. And Cody, you can go first with it. How does that make you feel? You know, I loved Paul as my brother, you know. And so when he passed away and seemed like so many people around the world were crying, having not even known him. I, Paul didn't realize what he meant to so many people. And as his brother, I'm just at a different wavelength. I don't look at right the same way.

I also, like, I didn't, I didn't expect that either. So when people make nice comments like you did, of course it makes me feel, makes me feel good because I knew, I knew him as a brother, you know, like, and he was that guy. He was just a great dude, super down to earth and modest and, Just that's, I think, you know, so people really can resonate with him so well. It's because it's like, dude, I feel like I've known that guy my whole life, you know. That's actually a fact, man. I mean, you know, and to go into that a little bit more, not specifically Paul, but I want to know what your feelings are, how you, how you receive the fact that you guys have created something that's bringing different belief systems, different races, different people ages together, man, because that's, you're, you're.

you guys are providing something and it goes way beyond disaster relief in other countries. You're healing people here. That's what I really want to know how that makes you feel because we don't, we don't have much of that going on right now in the United States of America. Yeah. No, it's there's so much turmoil right now. No, it makes it that much more special. It's a place where people can come out and express themselves and they're surrounding

themselves with other people that have a common, interest but otherwise normally would never cross paths you know so it's like it's it's a beautiful thing like to see that to see it's it's just such a diverse sea of people and every we have such good crowds the energy is always so good we never have any issues at all like we have the best the the best people that's amazing come out to the show and everybody like to say that and but it's true it's true they come into this thing It's almost like it feels so beautiful and warm. It feels like such a collective level of love and passion and energy.

You would think that they all had us to meet with them individual at home and saying, look, man, when you show up, do this, don't do that, act like this, you know, be passionate about this. But it's like everybody, like, shows up. And I think, you know, we should really think about who we are, you know, just on a messaging energy level. You know, it's like what somebody robbed Denzel Washington, if they seen him at a gas station, I don't think so. Like, they're coming to our events and they're like, yo, what about this is not positive? What about this doesn't feel good? What about this doesn't feel like Paul is smiling down on us, you know, if you loved him and knew.

him or watched him ever on camera. What about the Fast and the Furious represents just one group or one race or one anything? It's just like it's all. And it's been that since Fast One. So as we look out on these crowds and we feel all of this warm and beautiful energy, a fight could have broke out, you know? We're not jinxing ourselves, but somebody could have said and did something really stupid. And it's like people are coming there literally on their best behavior.

Like, bro, if we fuck this up, they may not come back here next year. Yeah. We don't want that. So they're looking at somebody who might be burning rubber too long. Dude, you need to chill out. We'll fuck this up, man. They might decide, like, come on, bro. This is all we got.

You know, that shit different. Uncle Tyrese. Different kind of pressure. Yeah, yeah. Different kind of pressure. And they put them, they hold themselves. accountable. Everything there is fast, 700 plus miles an hour.

That's insane. On the freeway, on the way there, on the way home. Nothing. It's been beautiful. We praise God for that. Yeah, man. It's a blessing. It's really cool.

It's really cool, man. Thank you for your take on that. Have you always had a love for cars? Oh, I've always, so, yeah, there's like, there's different periods in my life where like it's it like I've always had interest in cars but like there's different there's different levels so as a kid growing up in the walker household cars were always like a topic of discussion we always had the magazines yes magazines and the magazines and you know the classifieds and everything and my dad as a matter of fact my dad was a car guy and then was like a motorcycle guy

and when my parents, Paul, Paul was the oldest in my family. When my parents got pregnant with Paul, my dad got rid of the last of his motorcycles. My dad was an editor for Street Top Chopper Magazine and some others. Yeah, he did photography as well. We had a dark room in our garage. And he got rid of them. And we were all raised to be terrified of motorcycles. Don't even look at it.

It'll kill you. Like, don't even look at it. And so it was very much cars, focus was on cars, a lot of like trucks off road sort of things. And then when I got into like late elementary school, it kind of transitioned into like some American muscle stuff. Paul was started dabbling. Paul didn't have a ton of money yet, but he was getting consistent work. So he wasn't it wasn't buying supercars. he was buying, you know, kind of beater stuff, but like cool stuff.

And then he landed Red Line, which turned into Fast and the Furious. And he became, he learned all about the whole tuner culture and that whole scene. And he became a tuner guy, fell in love with tuner culture. And I was kind of there. I was not kind of there. I was there in the wings on this ride because the first movie came out when I was 13. So I meet people all over the world that are like, dude, your brother or fast is the reason why I'm into cars and I was only 11 or I was 2 or I was 25 when the first one came out.

And it's because of that. I'm like, yo, I'm looking at it from a different perspective because it's my brother, Paul, not Brian O'Connor. But I know exactly what you're talking about because I was in I was on that same ride just a parallel ride with you yeah so it's super cool when people share that because I'm like dude me too you know so so then it became you know tuner cars and then but I'm I'm in middle school I can't even I'm 13 years old I don't have a driver's license yet get in high school um and like I was I was an active kid so like I wanted a try I wanted a Tacoma dude Tacoma was back when Tacomas were not huge um and so like I was like I was I ended up, I had a Tacoma for a long time.

I love that thing. And a sports car something was always something I wanted, but I just, I wasn't going to do the whole broke because car parts thing. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was raised in a very like blue collar household where my dad was like, you know, smart with his money. You know, it wasn't a big spinner. So I was just like, you know what? One day when I'm in a better position, you know, I'd like to have some toys, sure.

But like, so, you know, I just kind of, I grew up doing that. His dad has definitely influenced him. Big time. To be smart and frugal and conservative. He was negotiating at Rouse for toilet paper. At the grocery store. Wait, Cody was? No, you were.

Me. You were negotiating? Necating. Toilet paper, huh? No, no, no. There's a story about the valet ticket, and that would be a true story. Yeah, yeah, the valet is just like, Cody. But hold on.

You really, bro. I got to finish my story. I'm kind of interested in the toilet paper. Bro, it's Charmin. That's not. Was it two plies? That's not up for negotiation, bro. He was trying to get two plies for one plight price.

Money with single plie is an idiot because you're using twice as much. It makes sense. But at the same time, there's also the other side where they are spending crazy money. You see, while they're doing tuner, we're doing two-er. we're doing tuna. Tuna. You know what I mean? We're putting tuna in our car.

You know what I mean? So anyway, keep going, man. I had to just tell them the truth, bro. Trucks, all that stuff. Negotiated with lettuce. These peas are a little much. Paul always had cool shit, right? Once faster old, Paul was a real car guy.

So Paul would always have cool, cool stuff. But not like, not flashy stuff. It was stuff like you knew. if you knew. You know what I mean? He wasn't into big, you know, Ferrari and Lambos and all that stuff. He didn't want that attention. So, um, he always had super cool stuff around. And so like I was kind of dabbling and everything and he'd just throw you the keys. Go, yeah, go take it. You know, or I'd have the car for the weekend or whatever. And here I am, this teenage kid. I was like, all right. And just, it was the coolest thing. Um, but, you know, it wasn't until

much later in life. Unfortunately, you know, Paul's not around anymore for like the next, the next part for me is, you know, I really started getting into track,

you know, going to track days and stuff. I bought a Honda S-2000, which was like my first, first, like, track-trackable, you know, car, like rear-wheel drive,

proper high-reving sports car. It was at S-2000 and started doing that. And now, like, this summer, I'm getting my SCCA full competition license and I just picked up a purpose-built race car that I'm going to just do like club racing in this fall.

So you're doing marathon racing and now he's going to be racing cars? This guy, man. This guy here, man. He's literally like Iron Man, bro. I understand. He just did 40 push-ups outside before he walked in to do this interview. I'm tired, man. 400.

I was wondering what the hell you were doing out there. I was up to change me like that. I apologize. There is a difference between 40 and 400. I do apologize. Small difference. Yeah. But no, you know, this guy's triathlon, man.

He's trying to push his body to the limit. He does land, water, sea mountains, skydiving, all of it. Adrenaline, he's the guy. Oh, man. This is the human red bull right here. The human red bull. Do you really do you go to the skydiving? I've done, I'm not like whatever it's called.

I've done the tandem like three different times. Like in the air? Yeah, yeah. Not like the sky, like the one that you go in the air. No, no, not like the tube. No, for jumping out of a plane. Wow.

Yeah, but with someone strapped on my back that knew what they were doing. I've done that three different times. I've gone bungee jumping. I don't recommend it. That's one of the thing that like I checked the box. It's done. It's something I always wanted to do. It was the most single terrifying thing that I've ever done in my life.

Is it like the falling in the slack and you're like, okay is this thing gonna work? Oh yeah. Well, the difference between jumping off of a, out of a gondola that's 450 feet in the air and jumping out of an airplane

are two entirely different things. You know when you're in an airplane and you're at altitude and you look out, you can't make out what's on the ground. You know what I mean? You're like, oh, that's a... Death.

No, no, no, but it's not the same sensation as standing... My black ass would be pink. It's not the same... It's not the same since... Everyone knows what this sensation is like you're at a... you're staying in a hotel that's like 30 stories high or more and you're on your balcony and even

leaning against your balcony you know what I mean it's kind of scary because you can look down there and you're like oh yeah if I fell I'd be all on that tile down there somewhere when you're up in an airplane it's kind of like it's different you don't get that same sensation is what I'm saying bungee jumping is that first sensation I was describing when you're like on a bridge or something and you're looking over and you're like, I could just do this right now. You know, like, that's crazy. You can interpret what you're looking at, bungee jumping.

So here I am in a gondola, and I'm like, there's a cow, there's a cow, there's a cow, there's mountains, there's, it's just, it's very, you know, be on a roller coaster ride. You're like, if I jumped out of the car right now, like, you can bring it all in. It's way more terrifying than skydiving, way more terrifying. Any of your viewers or listeners that have done both, would 100% agree. It is, it's awful. I'm going to take your word for it. I wouldn't do it again. I'm going to take your word for it. I'm not judging jumping, nor am I jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. I'm not jumping out of a skateboard. I figured I was strapped to, you know, I was hooked up with somebody

that that didn't want to die that day either, you know, who has thousands of dives. So I figured it. I was like, hey, I'll be okay. You're a badass, dude. They tried to get me to skydive in Dubai and the it's actually called skydive Dubai. Yeah. And it's owned by the crown prince. And I said, you may have all the influence in the world, but you're never going to be able to influence me to go up there and jump out. I can't do it. And I was respectful about it. But it was a lot of love in the word no. And I was like, no, sir. So do you do rollerco?

But other weekend, sir, his highness, sure. Can't do it, man. Now, I did do one version of a skydive, and it was horrible. Not bungee jumping, but when they put you inside of that clear box, you put your suit on,

and then the wind is blowing up and you're just up in there. Oh, my son did that, yeah. Indoor skydiving. Yeah. I don't know what it's called. So I did that once with Will Smith. And I think our relationship has been compromised since then. It was like, you're the worst that I've ever done any type of sports, any type of athleticism.

And he hasn't called me back since. Will, if you see this, was it that deep? You know what I mean? I did the best I could. I had the same outfit on that you had on. and I was just flipping over like a fucking burger it was horrible and then my cheeks and shit

was my cheeks was wiggling it was just like like putting a blow dryer in your freaking mouth and I was trying to talk to him and shit we were supposed to hold hands and do it all together oh you hold hands of Will Smith in there yeah we was up in there together man it was horrible

I fucked his whole experience up and he has never done anything fun with me ever since man he's like dude this is the most non-athletic dude ever. Wow, man. Yeah. Call me back, Will. Call me back.

Yeah, hit him up, man. I can do a backflip, though. You tried. You can do a backflip? Yes. That was my last one, Cody. He's still trying to find his lower back. Oh, man.

Yeah, it's missing. It's gone. It's missing. When did you do a backflip? How long ago? I did a backflip at like three Fuel Fest events. Okay. Texas.

Texas Moher Speedway. Yeah, I left my back in Dallas. Okay. It's gone. I'll get it back one day. Yeah, you just go. Just go there and see if it's still at the same place that you left. I'd never. It's just some background. It's the most, it was so epic. We're over there. We're at the, we're watching drift. And this little boy who's like 30 feet behind us, yells at the top of his lungs, Tyrese, do a back flip. And we all, oh, that's fun. That's cute kid. That's funny. I was standing up on top of this concrete. The big concrete. The concrete rail.

Yeah. Right. And I'm just up there having fun with the cars. It's just like serving USA. And then he goes, hey, Tyrese, do a backflap. And then all the people on there start going, black flip, black flip. And I'm like, does he know that I know how to do a backflip? Or is he just like, you know what I mean, talking shit?

The little boy was a devil. None of us knew. That's, this was He was touched, man. He had some, he was touched. He tried to set me up a failure. Okay. Okay.

So I got all gassed up, you know. Yeah. This is gasoline going around the circle's burning rubber. We got about 300 people behind a barricade screaming, backflip, backflip. And I'm like, dude, dude, come on. Come on. It's nothing. I did the backflip.

He landed it, too. And then. It was. Three days later, as we did, the funeral. from my lower back. It was like, Tyrese was such a good person. I ain't been able to walk the same since.

That kid will never, ever forget that. Yeah, no, it was a moment. I'm making it out to be negative, but it was a moment. And the only thing that was really bad was like, as I was up on top of this wall, I turned around, I looked. It was like, back flipping.

I'm looking. I'm like, oh, this is nothing. Let me see where I'm supposed. supposed to land. You know, I was gauging it. It was on a hill. Yeah. And that's the part I didn't factor in.

Yeah. And that's when my bag died. Your math was wrong. Yeah, it's crazy. I made use of my back for a good 46 years. And then it's over now. You'll get it back. Totally worth it.

Yeah. I mean, absolutely. Like Cody said, the kid, you made the kid's day. Totally worth it as he's sitting here with his regular back. Fuck out of here. I'm like six chiropractor visits into that fucking little kid. If anybody ever screams back flip, dark, flip, and you're 40 plus, leave it alone. I don't know how to do one.

Well, I know. Clearly. So I thought. I was actually surprised because I was waiting for the punchline. I was like, is this the first time you tried it? Yeah. Like, what the hell? I'm very happy about this podcast.

You didn't know he was a gymnast. I had no idea. I'm very happy about this podcast because my lower back is really happy right now. Like, oh, finally you're sitting down in a way that you're comfortable. I can't believe you didn't have faith in me for you to be comfortable. Well, it's not your studio. I know. You're leaving.

We're guests. We're guests. But, guys, full circle. Yeah. This is a dream, man. We get to wake up every day. And really, you know, for us, like, it's almost, And I mean this in a literal way, like just no different than Cody saying,

everybody loves my brother. Everybody loved my brother and still do. He was Brian O'Connor. And the Walker home, he was Paul, man. You know, they look at Michael Jackson. He may have been a superstar, not comparing notes. But that was Janet's brother, man. You know, like that's fan.

that we're playing the pool together, we go to school together, mom is picking us up and dropping us off in the carpool lane, all of these memories and moments, and then the star or multiple stars get pushed out into the world, but in the midst of all that they're doing, to them, they're just still regular, you know? And so for us, you know, and I'm not going to speak for Cody, but for me, man, there's a saying never,

Never allow yourself to get too familiar with being blessed, you know? And who, you mean, if you cried over Luz and Paul, then you didn't personally know him, never hit a beer with him, never hung out with him. It's just everything about his energy and what he was and what he represented. That was really him. You know, they were filming his actual life. Now, for me, I'm on sets with super large cars, tuners.

and tuna. And transformers. Transformers and all of this stuff is high octane and adrenaline. And bro, I don't even like riding the cars on my window down. I can't stand noise. My ADD level is so real. That's why I said, turn the music off. I was wondering what's going on.

I thought you just didn't like the song. No, I don't even know what the song was. It just had to be turned off because these thoughts are expensive. And I like to reach them all, especially. when I'm tired. So, yeah, we wake up every single day, man, and we literally cannot believe our life. I don't care how long we've been doing fuel fast,

fast interferes, how long, like, really? The credit card still works, you know, after all these years. Like, I could actually see that my tank is going empty and go get some gas, or I could actually say I'm hungry and go get some food, you know, like, what a blessing it is. man like oh dad you know we got kids dad can we can we can we and so we're more focused on the experience we want our kids to have over thinking about what it's going to cost and that's why you work so hard you know because why are we here for you know our kids lives are literally

supposed to be better than ours you know so yeah we at this point man as much as we are aware of what's happening with fuel fest and this fast or anything about Cody's career my this empire that we're building together or whatever the case may be, all of this shit is bigger than us, man. Five years from now, 10 years from now, when we fucking IPO or sell this company, the Live Nation, or just something crazy,

we're going to be like, did that really happen? You know, so we're not really, we're running and doing, and it's a functioning business on the entrepreneurial level. We have visions, we have huddles, we have conversations, but we don't really know what the fuck we do.

man we're just in disbelief and hoping that we show up every day and create these experiences that people can never compare to anything they've ever had i want to comment on one part of that initially you said we wake up we do this thing we don't know what the fuck we're doing right we're just blessed i can actually relate to that man when i started i didn't know what i'm doing sometimes i'm still like i don't know how i how i got here other than just showing the fuck up and doing it every single day and being will and and just be so willing to suck at something for so long and do it in my den and now we're traveling all around America interviewing badasses like you you know like I mean I was listening to your music when I was in fucking high

school my man never thought in a million years that I would ever meet you much less interview you not once but twice yeah it's it's an interesting thing and it's because and this is the message I want the audience to really tune into. You don't have to know what the hell you're doing. You have to have a vision. You have to have this thing inside you. Like, I don't know why I'm about to walk away from what I'm supposed to be so I can become who I'm meant to be, right?

And do the things that I'm meant to do. And it takes a lot of discipline. It takes a lot of determination. And dang it, you have to operate in a ton of fear. Yeah. Well, I can go even further. Because this is, you know, this is my world. You ready for this?

Find somebody else who has turned 30 seconds into 30 years. Call me lucky if you want. Call me blessed if you want. Work my ass off to get here. Got to laugh as shit that ain't funny. Got to play the game to win the game. No ill will, no fucked up intentions towards nobody. Don't have to shoot, stab, be condo.

descending and disrespectful, clamming your way up to the top. I started listening to 48 laws of power as an audio book. I threw the shit away. Nobody needs to do all of that hurtful shit to climb your way up to the success ladder. How about

you have a heart? How about you move as a person with visions and the audacity on a delusional level to believe that it's actually possible to get it done? Your mama may have been an alcoholic. Your daddy may have been a crackhead in out of jail. Who gives a fuck? They were born individuals. You were born an individual. Either you're

going to come up with a million excuses to become them or you can recognize your individuality and go get it. Nobody in my family has ever been a millionaire. Never owned a home. Never owned, driven anything, $20,000 plus never live the life and lifestyle of ever live. Insecure people will look at me like I'm bragging. I'm telling you, my truth and my truth might make you uncomfortable. Nobody gave me shit. I don't ride hotels. I'm not a groupie. My soul is not for sale. I don't smoke. I don't drink. And nobody can say that I ever fucked over them purposely to clam my way up to be bigger and better. So when I'm on the receiving end of people trying to do wrong by me when I never do wrong by anybody,

I will knock your fucking head off because I don't bother no. I will always stand up for myself. I gave myself permission to be great. I decided that it's going to be over one day and what will I have to show for it? If you decide that this world is going to be the same as you found it, then get rid of yourself. You're like, to me, you're like, shit on a piece of toilet paper. We all have an opportunity to change this place.

You got a problem with environmental issues. environmental issues, do something. You got a problem with the inner city, do something. You got a problem with the car culture. You think it should look like this and drive like that and be this and that. Do something. Get the ideas out. Be impactful.

Matter. Do something. And it doesn't matter how much time you have. Paul Walker lived and he passed and he still impact at the world within that window. Look at how long Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. started his journey in Montgomery, Alabama. I got the story, and I'll tell you, he went to Montgomery, Alabama, not for Rosa Parks.

He went to Montgomery, Alabama, because he got an opportunity to be a first ever senior pastor at a church because he was preaching at his father's church, Martin Luther King, Sr., and he was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. And his dad would never let him take over to church. So he's like, whenever I preach, I'm on fire. They love me. I might as well step out there and do my own thing now.

The first opportunity he got to be his own senior pastor for church was in Montgomery, Alabama. Then a black woman decided, my feet is hurt. Shut the fuck up. I'm not going to the back of the bus. Her name, Rosa Parks. He decided to do something because of the way they treated that woman. And he got thrust it into civil rights. activism. And if you look at the start of the Rosa Parks Montgomery bus buscott, Montgomery

bus boycott, and when he died on April 4th, 1968 at the Lorraine Motel on that balcony, it's not a lot of time. Tupac died at 25, bro. Everybody's still talking about him. You know, Paul got to live until he was 40. If he had lived till he was 50, he had lived till he was 50. we already love him within what he did in that little window, it would have been more. You know, so I just think at the end of the day, the way I look at it with the determined society, empty yourself of everything that you are.

If you think next week is promised, just look at the news. All of the people, car accident, mass killing, shooting, building, crash, and then the earthquake, tsunami, we are reminded of death, every single day and it's arrogant to believe that the next seconds of life belong to you. Get your shit together now.

You know I'll get to it next week. All right. Boom. Bus hit them. Move on your shit now. Be unapologetic about the audacity to dream and go forward. Faith is faith, yes. But I'm telling y'all right now, it's faith and action.

You know how many people at home praying? everybody pray at some point if you don't get off your knees and do the work you're going to be thinking that Ed McMahon is going to show up to your door with a million dollars it ain't happening no Mr. KFC is not showing up to give you a million dollars at your door you got to go get it

and in closing because I had to give you all that in closing I would say and Cody I'm sure he'll agree maybe everybody would agree I have never in my life. I'm 47, born in 78, December 30 of Capricorn. I have never in my fucking life ever been exposed to so many opportunities for people to make money. Ever.

I don't care if it's Uber, Eats, Uber, Lyft. It's like none of this stuff existed. Phone apps, social media, influencers, Instagram, Facebook, every opportunity to flip something into something and you just stay at it, you know, what we're doing is technically traditional. These guys are out here

literally making millions of dollars from their iPhones, day trading, looking up everything on YouTube videos. Like, you don't even have to go to school to learn how to day trade. It's just all of, you got chat GPT to fill in all the blame. Sometimes I'll be like, man, I talk to chat GBT more than I talk to God. I'm going to have to switch it up a little bit. Because the information is just so thorough and fluent.

And I know my heart wants to win. So I just need y'all to know, man. This is not just another interview. We are not just fucking around, you know. We take this shit serious, bro. This fuel festing is so real. And we are very present in the impact that we're making. making and we're very present in the lives that are being shifted from these experiences that

we're creating. And we're also very grateful and blessed that we actually had an idea and we huddled about it and we went from zero to hero. And if it all ended tomorrow, 30, 40, 50 fuel fest events later, fuck, man, we did it. You know? It's it, man. This shit started in the rain, bro. We got rained out in the parking lot of Angel Stadium. We looked at each other like, damn, bro. What are the odds? And then we realized that that was a baptism.

Oh, my God. Yeah. It was. It was the beginning, and we realized we had something really special because it was, when we say raining, it was raining. It was raining, and it never stopped raining. Ever. It was raining.

vertical and sideways. And wind. And we had thousands of people in Southern California out there with their cars. And we still had an awesome event. I mean, the silver lining to it was, obviously, this isn't what anyone wanted, but look around. This has to be the most highly, uh, uh, highly attended event in the rain for a car event ever. Yeah. The VI.

And we didn't have one. This is what's the other thing. Going back to what Cody so eloquently shared about just like nobody complains. In the rain for Fuel Fest number one, VIPs, no complaints. In the rain. The rain made it special. We're talking about it right now. In a way.

It, it, like, I'm, I'm grateful. I'm grateful that it rained that day. I look back at, we talk about it now and we're laughing. It was nonstop rain, but it is, it makes it special. It was like, you know, we're being baptized by the rain. We didn't look at it that way then. Yeah, sure. I look at it now and with like a fondness, you know, it's like,

we got, here's another connection. Where was our event at? The parking lot, I mentioned. Do you hear me? Did you all hear me? It's the Angel Stadium. Uh-huh. Angel Stadium experiencing a baptism.

Yeah. Okay. It was very real. And of course, we didn't think about that. Yeah. We were thinking about, oh, man, you know, are people going to be safe going in and out of the event? You know, are people going to try and sue us because the water damaged their cars? Can we postpone it?

Yeah. The answer was no. They would never, ever have a $700,000 a Lamborghini outdoors in the rain. This thing would have been part. so far are we going to be responsible if they hit a pothole or or at hydroplanes and runs into we were thinking about so much it's our first show yeah ever first one there's a lot of fear yeah yeah yeah that's kind of part of it like your podcast you know it's like you have to you have to you know you come up with some some idea or something you know you just got to

you got to go you got to go and you got to accept the fact that um you're going to fail a lot and but you're going to learn from the failures i know it's said all the time is such a cliche but it's so true like i i was 25 i was 25 years old when paul died and i'm going to be 38 in two days and i've had to learn i've learned so much i was on a completely different trajectory in life i had my own career i was living in oregon like you were driving an ambulance i was i was a paramedic And I would have been a fireman, fireman paramedic, but I got the paramedic first

to increase my chances of getting hired because it was really competitive then. You know, kind of ebbs and flows. It's a good job. It's an honorable job. And it's what I always wanted to do. It's bloody. But my mom is a nurse.

You know, I kind of grew up with that and was kind of always interested in that sort of thing. But anyway, I, you know, in creating fuel, but then before fuel fest like picking up the torch for reach out worldwide like dude i i was a paramedic but i didn't i didn't know what the hell i was doing you know and like none of it reach out worldwide was not as i alluded to earlier was not set up in a way where it was going to exist long term without paul exactly um and so man like you know and i'm not i can't sit here and say i was given shit nothing in life like what i did have was i had

good people, good family, good friends that were knowledgeable and have good hearts that were able to mentor. I had good mentors. I had good mentors. I'm eternally forever grateful. They know who they are if they're watching or listening to this. But that's what I did have, but I failed a shit ton. And, you know, when it comes to, you know, at some point in your life, you know, we all hate lawyers until you need, you know what I mean? You need a lawyer. But it's like, I look at, that stuff though and it's like when you make these investments you know if you're a business owner you're going to be working with an attorney at some point right for some for something you know it could be something simple like the contract exactly what i was going to say it could be something

super simple like an agreement what what i've done is instead of like okay uh all right i'm going to pay you or whatever like i i look at it like dude i'm paying you however much per hour like i'm going to now educate myself on what it is that you're doing. I'm not going to run around now and pretend I'm an attorney, but damn it, I'm paying for your time. It's not just spit out this paper and now I'm going to forward it. Like I want to know what it, what, okay, let's break this down. Tell me what's in this agreement and why is it written like this and how does this, you know, protect me or protect them. I look at all of those annoyances that you have to pay for, let's call it that, as also like a learning opportunity.

Don't think of it as just like a transactional thing like money is out and whatever like Take what is it. To kind of break it down and understand what's going on that way next time around like you still might you know you're just you're more knowledgeable and and and it's just I don't know does that make sense? No it makes perfect sense. It's a learning opportunity. I see that as like a learning opportunity whenever you need to specialize anything I'm using the word attorney but specialize anything. It's like kind of get a grass. what they're doing.

Yeah. Starting a podcast, being a freaking gymnast, a bowler, I don't give a shit. There's mechanisms within that. And what Tyree said so beautifully, by the way,

that is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard you say. Ever. About when you went on that monologue, talking to everybody, the audience about determination and moving forward in your life, no matter what circumstances

you've been given, you know, he explained it beautifully. That is the ethos of the show. And then you gave the example, the exact example of what I mean and what I want the audience to understand is it doesn't matter if you're ready or you're not. If your number is called, your number is called. Period in the story. You figure it out.

You jump out the window with no parachute, man. Yeah, you jump out of the plane. Just don't bungee jump, you know. Yeah, don't do that. And you build a parachute on the way down, right? Yeah. You learn through stubbing your toe in becoming the CEO of, you know, reach out worldwide. You learn all that.

And if you push away those opportunities, then you never grow into the man you're supposed to be or the woman you're supposed to be. So beautifully said in one hell of an example. Yeah, and this all started with us meeting up at Red Lobster. Yeah. Red Lobster was the deal fest. Yeah.

He never ate at Red Lobster. You went to a Red Lobster? I love Red Lobster. You, you really? Yeah. I had the biscuits. He had never been. I had never been to Red Lodge.

And the original idea was called Carcella. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. And at first, the idea was show up, bro. We know who you are. We know how much you meant to Paul in the franchise. And I was like, nah, bro, I think this has got all the potential in the world. We just, like, let's hold arms on this thing, for real.

Damn. And here we are, man. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's like, so when I speak to the impact, it's real, you know. Never get too familiar with being blessed. Get up every day and get it. And for every level, there's another devil. Heard and felt in experiencing.

Experiencing constantly, right? Yeah, allow you never, ever get, you know. My prayers are often, and I'm going to share them with y'all. Father God, I love you and I trust you. Order my footsteps. Allow me to get familiar with the unfamiliar. Stay behind me to push me, above me, to cover me, beneath me, to sustain me. and inside of me

to fulfill me with your love because I never want the way I feel about me to be based on what's in my bank account or the way I feel about myself to be based on someone validating me or not believing in me or not you got to be delusional bro they always make narcissism into a negative but there is an aspect of self-belief

and willpower and determination that has to come with saying, if you pull out your calculator and you do the math, every indication that you're supposed to quit is there. One thousand every time. Okay. Now, you know, Cody Walker will tell you, the person who wanted to do Fuel Fest events at the height of a pandemic, this crazy motherfucker.

The person who got all these emails like, dude, we're about to fucking do a COVID super spreader event. And I don't want no parts of the backlash and energy and lawsuits that's going to pouring in. And every single time I got on stage and seen 10,000,000 people, I was like either cozy is the craziest motherfucker in the world or all of these people are all collectively crazy. Because what are y'all doing out here? Okay, I'm on stage with masks on and shit. Yeah, we love y'all.

What the fuck? Hey, fuel fast! Get me to my fucking car. And he was just like, no, bro, you got to show up. People are going to love this shit. And I'm just like, and I'm like, yeah, bro, everything. These moments are defining moments. I got to unpack a little bit.

Unpack a little bit of what you said. First is the fucking toilet paper. Now it's this. Yeah. But no, listen, he never was the guy. The two plied a super spread. No, no, no. He was not thinking there was, I love him because there's no malicious intent. Of course. And it's not like he wasn't listening and paying attention to the science. He just was

saying people are responsible and we're going to do this and we're not going to let this randomness of this thing get in the way of the impact that we're looking to make. Now, I myself would have made some different choices but every time I got on that stage and I looked at how many people I actually showed up, I would always walk up to Cody and whisper in his ear. You're fucking crazy. Yeah. But I was wrong. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's true. So the audacity to dream and look at all the challenges and all the stuff and cave and say, oh, man, I'm crazy. This motherfucker's crazy. He's crazy.

It takes two. It takes two. We had, and, and, and, and, you know, I love this because I'm seeing the dynamic, but you can't see it on Zoom. So, just to be clear, we started Fuel Fest, kicked off in the spring of 2019. The very first Fuel Fest ever was at Angel Stadium, pouring rain. I'm crazy. So we took it to the UK, the second Fuel Fest ever. He was there as well.

Yeah, it was, it was nuts. It was a great show. The show has changed a lot since then, but it was a great show. That's in August of 2019. We start planning for 2020, right? Because this is not, we didn't have a big, there was just two shows that year. We started planning for 2020 and the pandemic hits.

And so we shut everything down. It was so difficult. We held nothing in 20. We didn't have anything until June of 2021. And that was the very first show, and we got so lucky. And we kept postponing there. It was at the Irwindale show back to Southern California again. It was at Irwindale Speedway, which is now gone, RIP Irwindale.

We kept moving our date. Irwindale Speedway, rest and peace. Yeah. We kept moving our date, trying to, to anticipate when Newsom was going to allow big outdoor gatherings to happen again. And Irwindale was a great partner. Obviously, they're hurting. They can't have anything going on there.

So we just kept moving our date and updating people as we went along. It's like, you know, and we secure, it's like the fifth time, six time we've moved the date. we've secured, I think it was June 19th, whatever. And then two weeks prior, roughly two weeks prior to that, I believe is what it was. Newsom hinted that that was going to be the weekend that they were going to reopen Southern California. And we had it, baby. That's badass, dude. So here we are, Irwindale, open air, sunny, people were starving for an event like that again.

That level of isolation. Oh my God, it felt so good. The smile. We could not keep clothes on people, man. People were so happy. It turned into a nudist event? It was serious. A lot of skin, a lot of outdoors.

And, you know, it was like there's people that believed, didn't believe in the whole, you know, pandemic of it all. But I don't remember seeing more than three or four masks at our events. And I probably had on all three. Probably. Four masks at the event and I was wearing three. Damn. Okay.

Everyone had a different comfortability in that time. Absolutely. That's fine. That's what I'm saying. It's a part of being an adult. We've grown, making decisions. But I'm telling you,

you know, this is my baby bro right here. But, and, you know, and I allow myself to let younger folks or people that may not be my exact age that I can respect and look up to

and be like, oh shit, you know, you fucking balls to the wall. You went for it. And, you know, we were in this and I wasn't going to let you out to dry. So I showed up and every single time I was like, yo, I was wrong. You were right.

And I would whisper it. I did it like four times on stage. And I'm not, he's telling me this. I'm not like demanding. Yeah. Who's right? Yeah. Who's your daddy?

Yeah. Never. No, never. No, it was just one thing about me, right? is I just, integrity-wise, I just literally give love and respect where it's due. I'm not going to be thinking a good thought about you and just let my pride and my ego stop me from saying,

I was wrong and you were right. And so it was, it was, dude, you tripping here. I mean, we still got the emails. It was legendary. That's fine. Before chat, GVT, I was, what are we doing? What are we doing? This is ridiculous.

And we've gone through some shit. Forged. But that's what makes it beautiful. That's what makes it real. And then it's always the outcome, right? Go through your stuff behind the scenes. You might be on the same, but you might not win, where, how, and what.

But then when you get on the stage and you look at the fruits of the pushing forward, it's beautiful, man. Yeah, man. So, you know, I just hope even as we're sitting there talking, insecure people would feel like we're bragging, we're gloating. we're saying to you, what we did is a very specific thing and what we're doing is a very specific thing,

but it's nothing you can't do. Yeah, man. You know, and your girlfriends and your family will probably be the first ones to try and talk you out of your shit because they just decided to be toilet paper and be regular. And you got some shit that's keeping you up at night. Them dreams that are keeping you up at night, you don't understand it. You don't understand why your mind is always,

always up there with the care bears, just dreaming, and you got the audacity. Like, bro, I'm on my way to India right now in the next couple of days to go and spend time with the wealthiest family in the world, one of the wealthiest families in the world. Like, I'm a black boy from South Central L.A., and they know my name as one name.

Tyrese, over 200 languages around the world. I'm not going to be able... I will live and die and never be able to shake hands to meet with everybody that's a Tyrese fan. That's a fact. And that is pressure. And so now how do I measure up to my existence while I'm still here? That's what it's about.

You know, if I was motivated by money, I've made way too much money for me to work as hard as I do right now. There's nobody in this room that could outwork me. Cody works hard, but he's working hard with his things that he's doing, including Fuel Fest. I got 50 things literally happening, firing off in all different ceilings, and nobody around me can keep up with me.

You know? And because I'm just that determined to empty myself of all of these dreams and visions that keep me up at night and knowing that this place is going to stay the same if I don't change it. That's it. Dude, that's, that,

those exact feelings of what you're talking about being up, the dreams, the visions, it's something that you can say haunts me or something that drives me that keeps me going 100 miles an hour to a point where sometimes my lovely wife goes, hey, do you, you can slow,

you can take a beat, you can take a breath, appreciate where you're at right. I'm like, oh, no, no, no, because if I do that, I get comfortable, right? And so I can't operate like that. So a lot like, y'all, I'm constantly pushing. I'm pushing the envelope. I want to grow.

And it's nice to be sitting in the room with people that understand that. You know? So there's a concept these days, man. You stay at home, you'll lose your home. Yeah. And, uh... Damn.

Yeah. It's just like, I love my wife. I love my kids. I may miss out on a lot of moments that I can never get back because I wasn't there. I wasn't present. I was traveling. I was moving. But I got this thing in my head.

I don't quite want you to... struggle the way I did. One thing about struggling is I wake up every single day and what happens for all of us, we wake up hungry. Every day. It doesn't matter how much money, what you have in your fridge, you cook for yourself, you got a chef. There is impossible that there's no way that you're going to eat dinner,

go to sleep and not wake up and want to have something for breakfast or lunch, according to when you wake up. Every day, multiple times a day, you're thirsty and you're hungry. So that levels the plan feel right there. We're not talking about putting on one pan and shoot at a time at a time. Everybody got to piss and shit.

What makes you any different than me? We've heard all those cliche sayings. One thing's for sure, I do not need to be reminded of the struggle when at some point multiple times a day I'm hungry. And that same little boy that was hungry living in South Central L.A., I could not eat

when I was hungry. When fucking drive-by shootings, crips and bloods and gangsters and excessive force and murder and police brutality and substance abuse and all of this dysfunctional shit happening, I was there and I could not leave.

I couldn't just get in the car and be like, yo, I don't want to be here no more and pull off. I was fucking in it, the belly of the beast. So the idea that my kids are not living in that, like, what are we talking about? Yeah, man.

And you think I'm about to negotiate and just give it all the way? No. Can't do it. Damn. That's amazing. That's amazing. I mean, for me to give it all the way

would be like me saying, I don't love my kids. But that's all. Think about it. No, I have three. I have three. I'm not at home right now. Yeah.

Right? I'm not home right now. I miss out on moments the last four days. But you are at home. But I'm there. You are at home. What you're doing right now while being away from home is going to help them to keep the home. Absolutely.

That's the whole thing. It's all for them, man. That's all for them. I got two daughters and I haven't even wanted to bust a bubble, man. I have not wanted to bust a bubble. It's like you've had nannies, drivers, caretakers, butlers. chefs, people pickups, drop-offs. You've had everything you've ever wanted your whole life.

You're so used to this, you don't even realize that this ain't normal. Yeah, man. You have no realization of what it's like to not have this. Because even if you're around people that don't have it, they're talking about it, and it's like foreign. It's like somebody going, dang-dong-bon-bang-d-d-d-d-go. You're just like, yeah, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't even speak that language.

I hear you saying something, but I can't process it. Like when I roll out of bed, I don't make up my bed. When I'm hungry, I just call my chef and he makes something. And if I don't want to go down the stairs and eat it, he'll bring it up to my room. They have no fucking concept that this was not the reality that their dad had. And that's the way you want to keep it. Absolutely, man.

You know, and we're not talking about spoiled. We're talking about safety. security, sacrifice, and I'm 7,000 flights into this life and lifestyle to your benefit. So if I don't want you to think ever, and I'm going to say this to you and every other father in here, okay, don't ever try and convince yourself that your kids will love you any less because you're the least available present parent. Okay? If your wife was a lawyer, she's got to stay up all night going over the court case. She's got to be in the courtroom at 6 a.m. in the morning. So you become the mom-dad on behalf of your wife who has to carry the torch.

Sometimes the pendulum swings the other way. Is she now a deadbeat mama because she has to be in the courtroom with multiple cases every day? No, sir. Am I a deadbeat dad because I'm waking up every single day, working my ass off so that my kids. kids life and lifestyle never, ever, ever looks the way minds did? No. Can't pay me how to be no deadbeat. You know, go say that shit to the courthouse.

It'll never be true. And as I walk up out of here, because we were supposed to be here for 30 minutes and this shit. You're saying beautiful shit. I can't stop. No, no. I mean, I'm not going to stop. I'm not stopping. But, you know, as we wrap this up, man, you know, at the end of the day, man, it's very true.

we give our kids the audacity to dream you know they look at us and they're like yo my dad showed me what's possible and there is a such thing like I call my daughter Gibson Air H-E-I-R she's the Air we're both still alive usually you hear the word air once somebody you know oh, he left all this money and wealth to his kids and they're the heirs. Her name is Shayla Gibson Air. You know? It's Shayla Air Gibson.

You know? Yeah. And it's the thinking. It's the mind state of, oh, no, no, I'm really building something. And Daddy is not going to be fucked up two years after he passes away. And so it all has its levels. It's getting there. There's an algorithm.

It may not all be. here right now, but I'm building something and you're the air. So be patient with me. If I miss your dance or cider or a basketball game, don't hold it against me. Your mama's available 24 hours, seven days a week. She don't do what I do. But your mom is the beneficiary is what I do. So let me cook.

We're cooking with grease, baby. Yeah, I said. Damn, he's, he's spitting some shit, man. Amazing. And guys, thank you so much for. coming on once again and uh dude it was it was a pleasure to do this in person this time um to to give you guys a hug and and see the dynamic that you guys have together you can't see it virtually i'm gonna tell you yeah yeah you can't because you're in separate freaking rooms right

but um for the audience thank you so much for listening fuel fest dot com many events the rest of this year go check them out many many opportunities to connect with these two in everybody Allen said is involved with Fuel Fest, I highly suggest knowing now that you know the mission, when you show up, you know what, take a leap and do the VIP experience if there's anything available. You get to sit next to these people, you know, meet and greet, talk to them, pictures, all that kind of stuff. Experience the true culture of Fuel Fest. And until next time, stay determined.