Dissect - 'Call Me If You Get Lost' | LAST SONG STANDING (E5)

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

The journey to crown Tyler The Creator's best song ever continues with a deep dive into 2021's Call Me If You Get Lost. Cole, Charles, and Justin revisit the DJ Drama 'Gangsta Grillz' mixtape era before nominating their favorite tracks off the project. Follow @dissectpodcast on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. Hosts: Cole Cuchna & Charles Holmes Producer: Justin Sayles  Editor: Iulia Ciobanu Engineer: Jamie Yukich Theme Music: Birocratic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome everyone to Last Long Standing. I'm Cole Kushna. And I'm Charles Holmes. And in this latest season, Cole and I are debating our way through Tyler the creator's entire catalog in order to crown his greatest song of all time, aka the Last Song of Standing. Last episode, we debated 2019's Igor. And today we are diving into Tyler's Gangsta Grills inspired mixtape slash album 2021's Call Me If You Get Lost. What's your name, girlfriend? What's your name? It's so fresh that you could taste the same. Yeah, we're getting lost, but we know who we aim. Rose worst pull up.

Black boy hop out. Shout out to my mother and my father didn't pull out. Can I pitch us on something? Yeah. In honor of this episode, I feel like, you know, we should do a little bit of DJ drama. You know, like start the episode that be like holiday season. And they get it. Actually, you know what?

Let's just drop random, yeah, DJ drama drops throughout the episode. Dog. You know, if you make a good point. Yo, it'll be like, let me do my best DJ drama impression. Like, I should interrupt us and be like, y'all don't even know what coast we on. We're not in Mateo anymore. We're coming live from more.

Yeah, we are recording this, the first remote episode. But it is fitting that, you know, we are calling each other for this episode. You're on, well, you're in L.A. Justin's in New York. I'm in Sacramento. It's a true bicostal experience here. Justin, how are you doing? I'm good.

I got my toes out. Just had a lovely, non-gendered person. Serve me some French vanilla ice cream. Okay. That's a, come on guys, that's a reference to the drops on the album.

Work with me. Don't just leave me out here like that. Were there cookie crumbs in your Uber ride, is the question. Never like that. If I'm out here on Spotify's dime, we're only getting the Uber black. All right.

So Cole, really, really quick. We have to, we have a topper today. We have to address some stuff. Unfortunately, you got Centeld. I got what? Oh, Centell?

I did. It's quite embarrassing to admit, but okay, so as these episodes have been coming out, we've been recording a few weeks in advance. So we're always a few weeks ahead. But at the time of this recording, Tyler himself saw one of our social media edits

where we're walking through his early work. I found one of his early beats. Then I played what I thought was an early Tyler song with rapping that turned out to be AI, which is embarrassing to me. The beat was the beats real. The rapping is not. Yeah.

So Tyler commented saying the rapings AI, but the beat is real. So that means someone somewhat. recently, went back, found his original beat from 2000 whatever when he was 14, 15 years old, and then did a fake Tyler, the creator, rap over it using AI, which is like, I mean, kind of threw me into an existential crisis that I got got and that and the fact that somebody would actually take the time to do that. But he cleared it up. It is AI. And then I apologized following up to the comment. And then he said something very nice about the show. So

no hard feelings it seems like. Yeah. Shout out, shout out Tyler for taking it in stride. And, you know, as we as we walk into this dystopian future, it can happen to any of us. All right. So in happier news, though, we are what? We are past the halfway mark of the season. we are getting into the latter half of Tyler. Tyler the creator's career. We want to recap our songs so far because I'm looking at my list, Cole, and it's washing your list, if I'm being real. If you like basic, straightforward, popular songs, maybe.

But if you like artistic, well-thought-out, meaningful songs. All right. Just read your fucking list. I got Bastard, she, answer, Cherry Bomb, title track, garden shed, and new magic wand. And my superior list is French yonkers, Bimmer, Buffalo, hoodap boy, gone, gone. Thank you. And then, Justin, you used up your only coaches challenge this season.

I only have one coaches challenge for the season, right? Because people can't handle my takes. But, Cole, before you say what you're going to say, I want to push back against what you said about Charles's list. I think in the early seasons of last song standing, I always had Charles's back. And then over the past couple years, I've really always had Coles back.

And you know what? I'm a biased referee. However, I think that this is not the usual Charles we're seeing. I had to use my coach's challenge on Earthquake, which is one of Tyler's biggest songs. Come on. It was important for Charles to not have that.

It was important for him to have gone, gone, thank you. And he's also doing things picking Bimmer, which is, I know it's a fan favorite, but that is the fourth part, right? Fourth part of a multi-sweet song, correct? Like, third part, yeah.

Third part. Charles is out here really, like, I think growing and expanding. I think we have to be, I think we have to give credit where it's due. This isn't the normal Charles. No, no, no, no, it's not. I'm just going to say, I've been with Tyler since the beginning, you know,

real heads know, no, Bimmer's the one. You know, it's like, I'm trying to French. what would a greatest Tyler creator songs be without a French, without a Yonkers? I'm picking popular picks, but I am also going in my bag a little bit. You're a little bit newer to your Tyler the creator fandom. I was here when he was dissing fucking shake from two dope boys and Steve fucking Harvey. Come on now.

I've just said, Gone Gone Thank you is doing a lot of work on your list. Because without it, it's so one-dimensional. is the only thing I'll say. Though I'll have to agree with Justin. We have seen a lot of growth from you musically and spiritually this season. So Justin, here's what I wanted to propose. So we have the coaches challenge. Okay.

But, you know, instant replay, as we're seeing in the World Cup, as we're seeing in the NBA, as we've become such a, you know, critical part of being a referee. I'm going to offer this. Okay. Do we want to do some kind of video review, quote unquote? Okay. You can, you know, if there's a song that you're like second guessing should I have taken this, we can video review it and you can exchange your coaches challenge, but only if Charles and I also approve. Okay.

And when we exchange the coaches challenge, so I mean I would give up the coaches challenge for this. Say you wanted to exchange earthquake for something off of this album. So I would have to give up earthquake. I think so, yeah. I like it. It's going to be really tough. It's going to be really tough because the earthquake, I think, needs to be in that final conversation. However, if something really strikes me, sure.

Let's take a quick break, and I'm really excited to get into this album with both of you. I'm so curious of your thoughts on this album, Charles. This episode is presented by Sierra Nevada. Life's about embracing the haze. What does that mean? Living in the moment. Seeing where the night takes you. Being up for the adventure.

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Charles, you're going to hit him with the album facts in a second, but I think it is important to acknowledge that Tyler creating this album was coming off of his first Grammy win in Igor. And I think that the momentum that he continually has since Flower Boy, really, and just really ramping up and ascending as an artist and as like, you know, amassing a new kind of fan base along the way kind of sets the stage for this album in a big way. But do you want to hit us with some album facts? Of course. I would love to.

Call me if you get lost out of the creator seven studio album released on June 25th, 2021 as a spiritual part of DJ Drama's Gangsta Grill series. The 16 song project features appearances from Lil Wayne, NBA Young Boy, Fort Du Doug, Farrell, Lil Uzi Ver, among others. The album produced two singles, Lumberjack and What's Your Name, and debuted on the number one on the Billboard 200, selling 169,000 copies in its first week, and the Project won Tyler, his second Grammy for Best Rap album.

Interesting album, conceptually, because obviously the headline is, gangster grills inspired mixtape, Tyler's rapping again, you know, coming off Igor where he did very little rapping and was focused on melody and instrumentation. And now this kind of has a mixtape type feel. But of course, it's a title of the creator album. So it's not as simple and straightforward as just that.

But I do think obviously the headline is the Gangster Grills inspired mixtape with DJ drama being featured throughout the album. We're going to return to that. So let's put a pin in that. But I want to do kind of showcase a little bit more about the other things going on in the album. Because it is an album full of boasts, but the boasts are what I've dubbed idiosyncratic flexes. Because this album is full of Tyler bragging, but it's him bragging about only things Tyler the creator would brag about. And I bring that up to say, because I think it's a kind of a critical part of this album's theme, which is, yes, it's about travel. Yes, it's about luxury.

Yes, it is about kind of him flexing about where he's come from and how far he's. He's gone. But really the theme of the album is being yourself and flexing about the things that you specifically love and are passionate about. You know, this idea of Call Me If You Get Lost was kind of misunderstood by the public. And Tyler had to kind of clear it up because obviously if you're just thinking about the title, Call Me If You Get Lost. You think of Lost literally and reaching out to someone like Tyler for help or for direction. But he said this about the title. He said, quote, when I say call me if you get lost, I don't mean when you don't know what to do.

I mean, when you call me, I want you to be telling him about the shit that you're on, the shit that you're doing, you out in the world, getting lost, doing your own shit. So he's kind of redefining this idea of being lost as being lost in your own world, being free as a person, being exactly who you are and doing what you want to do. And that's how he defines luxury on the album. On the intro of Massa, he says, whatever your shit is, man, do it. Whatever bring you that immense joy, do that, that's your luxury. So when we hear Tyler bragging about his cars, his travel, and all these things, that's what he loves.

That's what he's truly passionate about. But that doesn't mean that's what we're all passionate about. And the idea of the album is to find those things that you are passionate about. and embody that and live that. There's also like a secondary plot line to this whole album, which is this love triangle, which is kind of established on Corso, but there's this love triangle where he has feelings for this girl

who is then in a relationship with one of Tyler's friends, and there's this real tension that it gets explored throughout the album and really comes to head in a song like Wilshire, which we'll talk about later. So all that to say, it is a very straightforward, album, but there is complexity to it. There's dynamics to it. There's layers

to it, the concept. But I think, again, the headline is the Gangster Grills concept. And as fans of mixtape, both you and Justin, I want to give the floor to you to kind to outline, one, give us a little history of the Gangster Grills

for those that aren't familiar, but also if you think this works as a Gangster Grills type concept. I mean, I'll just say this, because Tyler and I are the same age, to me, we grew up on the same era of mixtapes. I remember the feeling of listening to Wayne's dedication. And really, like, that was when my world opened up to not only the possibilities of rap, but regional rap, what DJs meant, what mixtape culture meant.

You were seeing everything that the clips was doing with. We got it for cheap. Farrell with, Ferrell with the prequel to In My Mind, Trapper Die, Ti, TIE, G unit. And what I think is so fascinating is that, to me, call me if you get lost, is not Tyler searching for something.

It's actually him going home. To me, when he was a teenager, records like bastard are him. doing his version of a gangster grills before he actually, and he talked about it with DJ drama in an interview, like, why didn't you come to me before to do a gangster grills? And Tyler made a very good point. I was 16, 17, 18. I did not have the reference points or even the cars or the jewelry to really be talking

the shit that Tip was when he was crowned himself to King of the South. Wayne, when he was calling himself the best rapper alive. And to me on this record, which I think is my second favorite Tyler record and his best rapping throughout his career, this is the moment where Tyler could say I'm the best rapper alive, whether I would believe that or not, he's rapping his ass off in a way where I'm like, hey, yo, you can make a point. Like, I, on re-listen, this has jumped. This album has jumped in my esteem.

And it's not lost on me that I'm like, this is a perfected version of bastard. in a lot of ways. I think it's worth noting, too. You shouted out a lot of those mixtapes. The early 2000s, mid-2000s mixtape error, that kind of started as a product of necessity, right? G-unit dipset. These guys were running into label problems,

you know, 50 cent. He lost his deal. His debut record never officially came out. He had to go to. to making mixtapes to literally get music out. Then everyone saw what happened with that. Diplomats, same thing. The same thing happens, right?

Cameron falling out with the label, builds up hype. 50 Cent becomes the biggest thing in the world. Cameron signs with Rockefella. A couple of years later, you have clips with We Got It for Cheap. They were having so many label issues. And when you talk about like the GZ and the TI, I think in a, Especially Wayne, right?

These guys were not guys having, T.I. and Wayne, GZ was on the come-up. These guys were not having label issues, but I think that they had seen what the artists that came before them had been able to build through mixtapes, right? And we're talking just, like, rapping over other people's beats, just like being able to get some ideas off.

These were often, like, playboxes, sandboxes, to, like, get creative ideas out that might not have worked on a record. record, like an official studio album. They also use this to build buzz. And when we talk about Wayne's career and why Wayne is one of the greatest rappers ever, yeah, Carter 2 is great. And Carter 3 is one of the biggest rap albums has ever been made. And Carter 1 is great. Wayne put out great commercially available music. But the case for Wayne as the greatest rapper alive is on these like free, like, I can get off all these ideas, I can put out like three of these a year without label interference or

worrying about singles or budgets or anything like that on these types of projects. So Tyler's not doing that with this, right? Like Tyler's paying homage to this. And it's more of an aesthetic choice than it is anything of what some of these earlier artists did. And I personally think it works really well as homage and as a project. But I also will say it's funny how I think Tyler, because he admits it, did those first, odd future mix tapes, does something like bastard, out of necessity as well. No one was checking for odd future and these kids who are hardcore adjacent fucking rapping about like raping this fucking cartoon character and fucking egging houses or whatever. So he takes power in his own hands in the same way that 50 or Dipset does and is like, okay, I'm going to build my own. world. I think the greatest mixtapes build, build worlds. It pitches you on somebody before maybe

they're fully fleshed out. And that's why I think this record is so interesting because it is Tyler almost putting on the suit of his heroes of being like a Wayne, being like a Gucci and being like, okay, I'm going to bring you into my world, but it's going to be a heightened level of I can argue that I'm one of the biggest rappers now and that doesn't happen without Igor. Yeah, Justin, before we move on from this conversation, I did ask you to put together, how did you put two?

Did you five? Like a syllabus of the best gangster girls mixed taste for anyone not familiar that wants to familiarize themselves with it. Charles, I'd be curious if you have any thoughts because I'm sure you can say, you can do somebody's off the top of your head. I struggle with getting it to five. So I'm going to do like a 5.5 and then it's,

Shout out a few honorable mentions. First, I think a record that Charles and I have a lot of love for, which is a gangster girls record, is late nights with Jeremiah. We've discussed that on cultural exchanges in the past. We're not going to revisit that, but it's really one of the great R&B projects of the 21st century. And that's a gangster girls' mix tape. Trapper die, the GZ tape, is like really kind of the start of gangster grills becoming a huge thing.

I kind of, I'm just group. them together that and down with the king, the T.I because I prefer that project a little more just because I prefer T.I. in that era.

But what's interesting about T.I. and G.Z. in that era, they're really, like, vying to become the hottest rappers in the world and starting with

these mixtapes. I'll just say, also, Tyler specifically shouts out GZ's mixtape a ton during this era. I really think that the older

I get, the more I think that Farrell in my mind, the prequel might legitimately be one of the best gangster girls' mixtapes. I don't know if I can cross on this. Is it, I think,

Charles, it's, you go back and listen to this. I like it, but I... This is, it's, I don't know if it's top five, but it's top ten. I'm, I promise you. I spent a lot of time this weekend going over them. Yes, sir. We're a little skateboard chain with the big ass chains, some bitches like P, why you got that on.

I'm like, I'm like, The Dream Chaser series, I know it's not, shouting out Meek Mill in 2026 is never Never a way to score cool points Like, Meeke is wrapping this fucking ass off on that shit. I love the Dream Chaser series. And just a couple, a couple of personal favorites

that I want to shout out, Rich Homi Kwan's, I promise I will never stop going in. Love it. Classic. Little brother, separate but equal. Okay. But the defining Gangsta Grills' mixtape is Little Wayne's Dedication 2. Dedication 2 is perfect in every single way, shape, or firm. I would not be doing what I'm doing today without dedication.

It is some of the greatest rapping in all time. That run with Dedication 2 and to Drought 3 is just like, you know, this is around the time when he's ramping up to do the Carter. three and become legitimately not just the best rapper alive but the biggest rapper alive and the foundation for that is laid like really in this 2006 2007 run but like this is one of if not the crowning jewels of that run and the gains to grills series i will say that's why carter three was always a disappointment to me because his rapping is so fire on the mixtapes that he was really struggling to like rap as well on the album, even if the songs on the Carter three are actually songs versus just sketches. But I liked Wayne's sketches a lot more. And shout out to chains,

true religion. Like that is true. That was one that I, you know, I could sit here and list them all day, but that was that was another one that was down my list. Hell yeah. Beautiful job. Thank you, Justin. You know what I was really surprised just getting it back to call me if you get lost. This album reminded me a lot of Cherry Bomb for some reason on this re-listen after spending so much time with Cherry Bomb. It feels like a more refined and polished and unified version of Cherry Bomb because if you isolate some of these songs back to back, like the sound worlds are totally different.

You know, obviously the biggest example would be like a sweet thought you could dance, contrast with something like a corso or lemonhead. Like these are like polar opposite sonically, after the flower boy, Igor stages, is able to unify these sounds in a way that you just wasn't able to on Cherry Bomb. I don't know. Am I alone in this? I was just really surprised about the very, how varied the sound was. I think in my mind I had, call me if you get lost, like depicted differently. And on this, I don't know, am I alone in this? I was just really surprised about the very, how varied the sound was. I think in my mind I had, call me, if you get lost, like, depicted differently. And on this, listen, I was just really caught off guard with how, you know, how varied the sound was. Oh, no, I, like, I don't think that, I think that's a great observation. I also think just on a granular level, if you listen to like a song like Lemonhead, it's the production, there's a lot going on in the similar way to Cherry Bomb, but it's way more refined, where he's become such a

better producer, that even when he's taking big swings in between songs, all of the elements fit together. And it was funny doing research for this, how he almost does the gangster girls in the opposite way that most gangster girls are done in two very important ways is traditionally in the beginning, these were mixtapes. It is either people rapping over each other's beats or DJ drama bringing together a bunch of disparate songs. And then second, Secondly, people aren't thinking about how they're weaving DJ drama into a Gangsta Grills, whereas Tyler is like, I made the album and I was thinking from the beginning, okay, I want DJ drama here.

This is where he's going to slide in here, which also teaches you kind of the evolution of gangster grills as a concept where by the end of the Gangsta Grills era, they're becoming more like albums. And Tyler is kind of the perfect bow on that, being like, I'm going to build a project and a bed to showcase DJ drama in the best way possible. Do you guys think that the younger generations possibly listening to this show understand how influential these things were? Like, there was a massive raid on DJ Drama's studio and where they were housing all these

mixstakes back in 2007, right? Like, the FBI, I believe, got involved and he was, he got charged with RICO charges. like what they do from mobsters. I literally remember that happening so vividly to answer your question. I don't. And I think that's okay because I will say this. The mixtape era, and I think the reason that people talk about the mixtape era and the blog era with such reverence is that it is the last time in recorded history where music discovery was something that was. was a little bit more difficult, where it was like, oh, if you wanted this shit, you're going

on LimeWire, you're fucking ruining your parents' computer. It is like, oh, I read about this on a blog that I trust, I'm downloading it, oh, I'm going to give it to a friend, where it's like, soon after this, with the rise of streaming services, with Spotify, with Apple Music, there's a reason mixtape culture died. The mixtape culture became playlist culture. And to me, you get an artists like Tyler the Creator through that discovery, through him being a kid, being like even because he even talks about it. He's like, I was living in L.A. We did not have the type of mixtape culture that was happening with Dipset and G unit or even in the South. And when you listen to Tyler the Creator, it's not until very recently where it's like, no, Tyler is a West Coast artist. Even

when he's coming out, I don't know if people really gave him that because he was so He had taken so much. His biggest record was Yonkers. So to me, Tyler, the creator and how he became Tyler the creator is because of mixed tapes. Well, it's also him saying at this point in career, like pointing back to the, because he knows this fan base, you know, and he's talked about this in interviews. He liked the idea of kind of almost forcing his fans to go back to this era. And it's him subtly saying I am of a lineage.

Yeah. And I know that lineage is maybe lost on some of my fan base. But it feels like this was an effort and not so heavy handedly, but was an effort to point back to these things that are, you know, especially in interviews, you could hear how passionate he is about this era, about these mixtapes and how much they shaped him as an artist and influenced him. Even to the point we'll talk about later,

he's shouting out a lot of the collectives during those early 2000 era and how that fueled something like an odd future. So he's putting himself, in a tradition and pointing back deliberately for his fan base. But Justin, I know you're a big fan of this album. How did it feel

returning to it? Charles, you said this was currently your second favorite, Tyler, album? Yeah, easily. I think it's his best wrapping by far. I agree it's his best rapping by far, and I think a point about the rapping too, and I'm sorry if I'm stepping on something someone's going to say is it comes

after, it's interested in me that this comes after Igor when He won best rap album for Igor and was very vocal about how he was disappointed at the fact that he even had to be nominated for rap album for something that was more of an alternative. That had like two traditional rap verses and the entire album. Yeah. And I don't even want to call it an R&B album. It's just kind of like, you know, it's just music. Yeah.

But man, he's really rapping his ass off here. All right, we ready for album trivia? The title, the title of the call me if you get, what, wait, what is it? I always forget. Quiz me if you get lost? Trivia Are we ready? Oh, we are ready

So what's the score? I feel like I'm in the lead Yeah, you are up by two So Charles, you have seven total Correct answers I have five So I got some work to do I think I'm going to catch up

This episode I got some tough ones I have some soft balls I have some ones that I was just like All right, we're in the home stretch I'm getting competitive Who wants to go first?

You go first. All right. Gangsta Grills isn't the only inspiration for Call Me if you get lost. In an interview with DJ drama, he reveals Q-Tips' 1990 album Amplified was also very, very influential. Tyler specifically calls out single Let's Ride and the car Q-chit drives in the music video. What car does Q-Tip drive? No. What car?

All right. Well, here's a thing. Real question. I knew this. So this is funny because this was one of my questions for you, but it wasn't what car. It was going to be what it was going to be the answer was Q-tip. So I'm going to say along with the gangster grills, who was other inspiration point. That's how that's a fair question.

Asking what car is in a music video? I don't know the answer, Charles. All right. Do you know the nickname of the car, though? I don't know. about I don't. If I heard it, I must have heard it in the interview, but my brain doesn't register. I'm not a car guy, so I'm just not. The Lamborghini L.M.002, aka A.C.A. the Lambo Rambo. Come on. I'm digging deep. Sure. I'm digging deep. I knew you would have known the Q-tip, but I had to go deeper. This is an album about, you know, your whip, your jewelry, your fashion. Come on. You should have known where I was going.

Okay, sure. Sure. Sure. Okay, fine. All right. Then I'm just going straight for the hard one. one Zen. Okay. What TV show inspired the reggae influence track Sweet? Wait, what TV show inspired which track? Sweet. Part one of Sweet. I thought you wanted to dance. Fuck. I definitely don't know this one. Okay. So in a performance, he performed the album for an Amazon thing. And he said that he was watching Steve McQueen's Small Axe, which was like an episode. episodic multi-part film series thing. And episode two of it was called Lovers Rock, Lovers Rock being a subgenre of reggae.

And he heard the song, which I'll talk about probably later in nominations, but heard this Lovers Rock reggae song, got up from bed at like 10 at night, looped it, looped the part that he liked, and he was up till 4 in the morning writing sweet over this song that he heard on this Steve McQueen film. Pretty good, right?

It was a good question, but I see we're being assholes on this recording. I actually think that's fair. Jeez. It's not a car. It's about an actual song on the album. All right. I'll split this up into two. So you get a half point for each.

What rapper that I need the rapper's name and then I need the song, the creator said was the core of rap music and was one of the reasons why he wanted to obviously get him on the project. Rapper and what song came out that inspired

this rapper to get a, call me if you get lost. Oh, okay, I get the question now. So it's a feature artist. It's a featured artist

and he was. On, on, call me if you get lost. I'm pretty sure it's 42 Doug, right? 42 Doug, yep.

Yeah. And what was the four two Doug song. I don't know this. I don't know this. I don't know this song. You four two dug low baby we paid. Oh yeah. I had memory hold a lot of 42 Doug. I'm going to say that the most probably the most dated thing on this record for me was the presence of 42 Doug who I hadn't really thought about in a few years. All right. All right. We are not we are not fucking disrespect before 42 Doug. That that that motherfucker is spitting on his track. We paid.

If you have not re-listened to We-Paid, I was like, hey, yo, let me put on We-paid again. I was like, not only do I understand why Tyler loves this song, we should pop the video on screen because it's just low baby a 4-2 dog rapping in their car and doing fucking donuts. And I'm like, of course Tyler would love this,

but it's a perfect song. All right, you get a half point. All right, I'll take a half point. Okay, so let me go. Oh, here's another one. Justin, you'll like this one. Uh, the song Dogtooth on Call Me, if you got lost, Deluxe was inspired by what art house film director? Hmm.

Hmm. Hmm. I know the answer. You can't phone a friend either, Charles. I have no idea. God damn. Dog. It's, I'll give you this, I'll give you this hint. It's a title of one of his films. Oh, it's okay. It's not Star Wars. How's that for a hint? All right. All right. I give you.

up. What is he? It's your boy, Yorgos. Yeah. 2002, 2009 film Dog Tooth. You never seen Dog Tooth? No. I've seen some Yorgos films.

All right. What we're not doing is meaning like, you guys haven't seen Star Wars and you're like, yo, you haven't seen Dog Tooth? All right. Kill me. All right. Damn, I need to get one on the board. Damn.

All right. I had two questions here. They're both pretty easy. All right. I feel like you're going to get this one. Who was the first artist ever that called DJ drama to do a freestyle? This connects because this ends up inspiring what would go on to be called, what would become Gangster Girls. Was it T.I?

Because he was T.I. His DJ, right? Yep, it was T. I think it was T. I either his DJ or his manager had hit up a DJ drama being like, I had, have this new artist, tip, like, his name was tip at that point. And, yo, I wanted to get y'all together. DJ Drop was just like, dog, his motherfucker came in.

He was freestyle. He was rapping about him being the king of the South. And he was like a couple of years later, like, he was the king of the South. It's also, it's crazy for a DJ. If you have to think about, like, you know how many, like, artists, like, you, like, hear record come in who are just like, yo, I'm the king of this. I'm the king of the South. And for like,

for it to actually pan out is the thing that I was like, oh, that's special. All right. That means, okay, I got one more question for you, but that means I'm point five from tying.

I'm feeling good. Okay. Because I told you that if I lose, I might have to dress up as Igor for the finale episode. Oh boy. And I am not dressing up. I will do something else. Okay.

This is kind of. easy. Throughout the album, along with Tyler Baudelaire, Tyler refers to himself as Bunny Hop. Who gave him the nickname Bunny Hop? How was this easy? He says it on the album. His mother? No, it's not close, but I'll even wrap or I'll even recite the lyrics up into the point where he reveals it. Okay. He says, Mom and named him Tyler and his brother called him T. At the bank, they call him that wire clear like season three or something. Blank, call me Bunny Hop. But it's Baudelaire, Wolfie, though. Damn, I don't know.

Christian Clancy? Not, Farrell. Damn, I was going to say Farrell. Shit. Shit. Damn, you got 1.5. Shit. Okay, so grand total is now 6.5 versus 7.

Neck and net going into the final two episodes. I like it. All right. You're shaking your head of disappointment. I'm so upset. But, dog, with all that out of the way, should we finally get to some nominations. Yeah, let's do it.

All right. All right. So remember the goal of each episode of Last Song Standing is for Charles and I to determine the single best Tyler the Creator song ever made. The songs that we select over the course of the season will then duke it out in a season finale Royal Rumble or we'll be forced to agree on the last song Standing, the single best song by Tyler the Creator. Right now, we are each nominating three songs off of Call Me if you get lost.

We think should be in contention. Charles, I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you first. first pick because I'm really curious about where you're going on this album. I know where you're not going. I'm pretty almost certain. I know where you're not going with this album. But where are you going for number one? Okay. So actually, I'm going to do a curveball. I was going to talk about this one last. But let's talk about it first. I can't tell a I don't love this song. But I think it is an important song. I think it's a great song. Wilshire. We suddenly press his buttons not on purpose, but man, I found my purpose. If I fucked our friendship up for you, I think it's worth it. But now I can't do that. The nigga don't deserve it. And plus y'all got depth.

I'm just a nigga on the surface, for real. It is upon re-listen, it is a, the reason I wanted to pick it is because for Tyler, when he started Flower Boy, I feel like he needed a lot of symbolism. him an industry garden metaphors, flowers to get his point across about desire and sexuality and relationships. And I think on Igor, he's expressing a lot of the same feelings and love, but there's a lot of production and obfuscation. And I feel like on Wilshire, it's a moment in Tyler's career where all of that is pulled back. He's talked about how he wrote this. not wrote this, but he recorded this in one take on a shitty $100 microphone. You can feel that texture in his voice.

It's such an honest record. And it's like, oh, this is a record you could only make in your 30s. It's a record that you could only make when you've opened yourself up this much. It's not a song that I like to return to a lot. But yeah, after an album full of like boasting and bragging, each time I came back to it, I was like, oh shit, this is, this is amazing. And I want, I'm not going to pull out too many of the lyrics, but the one that always gets me is, I'll skip the details, but that night I seen hell. He was in a room I was paying for. I took three L's.

No, I didn't sleep well, woke up and my knees fell. They bucked to the ground. I cannot walk shit. I need veil. for a song that is about Dirty Macin, what do you like think about it where I'm like, come on, nigga, like, that's not your girl.

It's just so visceral and it's earnest in a way that Tyler is rarely that earnest. Yeah, I wanted to shout out Wilshire because, yeah, it just, and I think it speaks to the power of hip hop where it's like on Flower Boy, a lot of what he is saying is coming through

melody, other artists are helping him say this. No one can help Tyler through this experience. It's only him. It's only his voice, a very simple beat. And I wanted to very early on kind of talk about Wilshire and just kind of honor it. Is this a bad pick in your mind, Cole? No, it was on my short list. It was one I definitely considered. I'm glad you picked it. Because I do think, yeah, on an album full of Tyler, obviously the priority was rapping on this album. And I think when we think of rap a lot of times, especially like in quote unquote impressive rap, it's like we want to hear the punches,

we want to hear the entendras, stuff like that, the double rhyme schemes, like that kind of stuff. But this flexes a different lyrical muscle that I think is just as valuable and as important. Because to your point, like you can only write a song this almost like organically or a story this organically through rap when your pin is at a certain level.

Yeah. So even though you can't isolate a particular line and say, okay, check out, you know, let me nerd out on this. Here's the entendre. Here's the triple rhyme scheme. It's not that type of song, but I think lyrically it is every, you know, it's just as skilled as something like that. Because it takes a certain or a very high level of skill to rap as effortlessly as this sounds to tell this story, to rhyme, to tell a story that rhymes, but that doesn't. feel the rhyming doesn't ever feel heavy-handed. It just kind of feels organic and flows. And I think this is a song that he couldn't have written pre. I mean, you know, it took him his entire career, I feel

like, to get to a point to write this kind of song, both lyrically, but also emotionally. Because as we talked about all season, there was kind of a barrier between Tyler and his emotions early on. and the work of a flower boy, the work of an Igor gets into a place where he is able to be this comfortable as an artist to be this honest in a song, even one where he admits he is morally in the wrong. He's very transparent about him saying, I'm the bad guy here. Yet, this is kind of the beauty of the song. Yet I still had these feelings. I'm still going to acknowledge them, even though I know they're morally wrong, I still had them. And it's like this, that that's the beautiful kind of tension of a song like this and of this relationship dynamic throughout the album where he's saying essentially frames this relationship as the reason why he buys all these expensive things because he's kind of coping through materialism, which gives the boasts a little bit kind of dynamic interest as well.

But yeah, I think this is a really important song in his career. I agree it's not the song that I return to to listen to. It's kind of one of those songs you only want to hear every so often because you don't want to spoil the impact of something like this, which is very experiential. And I think why I didn't nominate it is because of that fact. But I think it's a valid nomination. I mean, but also I think the album doesn't work without this song. And I like to honor the fact that it's like when you think about what a gangster grills is, Tyler said it's you want to hear a Farrell or a Wayne or a T. I boast.

You want to hear about the jewelry. You want to hear about the models. You want to hear about the parties. And Tyler does that better than anyone. But he subverts the expectation of what a gangsta grills can be. To your point, which is essentially like, yeah, I have all this. And the aspirational quality of this is why we love rap music. But the one thing that I actually want in the world, not only can I not have.

But it fundamentally changed me as a human and shook my moral core and my values. And that's what I like about it, where it's like, oh, you take something like a gangster grills and you're like, oh, I think I know what a gangster grills is. And at the last moment, Tyler goes, actually, this is what it's all about. And his ability to weave that story in effortlessly and then deliver a gut punch at the end, at least on not on the estate sale, but kind of on the original project. I loved it even more than I did in 2021. In 2021, I was like, all right, whatever. And then kind of taking my time through the record, I was like, oh, conceptually,

this really sells the project. That's, and that's where, again, it's like where he's grown as an artist. I think because he's been making concept records since day one, he's able to pull off this magic trick. Because I was going to ask both of you guys, do you think the relationship dynamic of the album is a feature or a flaw. Because I think there's part, I mean, to be honest, there's part of me that just kind of wanted to hear Tyler just rap fucking just boast the whole thing.

Don't worry about this kind of layered nuance. But then there's an also part of me that really appreciates him as a concept artist being able to do both simultaneously. So Justin, I don't know, does that part of the album work for you? Yeah, I think that there are some songs on here that he's rapping really well, but he's telling story. I don't want to shout them out because I don't want to step on anything we're going to talk about in a few minutes. But this didn't really feel out of place for me.

Like it's mixtape inspired as an aesthetic. But, you know, the Tyler we're talking about on this record is so much more mature than the one we were talking about pre-flowerboy, even though we were seeing glimpse of that on things like Wolf and Cherry Bomb. Right? So, like, it's just impossible to imagine him crafting a record even if it is, you know, primarily built. around his skills as a rapper and where he's at in his life and being braggadocious about it. Even if we're in that place, it's just hard to imagine that the mature Tyler wouldn't sneak out. And also, to me, it would have rang false if for an artist starting all the way back to the odd future days and bastard, who there's a lot of just not great lyrics, a lot of misogyny.

and through the Flower Boy era, you know, he's growing past it. I do think it's very, very special that he's talking about a woman in this way. There's other songs where he's talking about like the tweets like that he had for Selena and all this stuff. I think it's very, very special almost that you can take gangster girls, which is just like, yeah, you know, I would say the history of gangster grills and how they, uh, rappers talk about women on the series. probably isn't great. So I do think that it is, it's not, like, I think it's a feature that like Tyler is able to be like, hey, yo, I could talk about how many hoes I'm getting, but also let me talk about like real love and how I was actually the asshole and this woman didn't do anything. Like, like, even the like the last part, the outro when he's talking, it's like a very mature way of being like, I love this person. Yeah. It's not her fault. let me take responsibility. And I was just like, maybe I'm just washed and I'm an unk now. But I appreciate it.

No, that's like one of my favorite parts of that song is where he's the spoken outro where he's saying all the morals and power you have just vanished when a certain energy is nearing and those feelings got so much gravity. It's out of your control that made me realize adults don't know what they're doing either. We're all just children. I mean to fuck anybody shit up. I thought I was bulletproof. She proved me wrong.

That's such like emotional. insight coming from Tyler right there about the situation being able to like you know how to how is kind of dichotomous experiences of yeah I love this girl or like this girl but I also can see on simultaneously I can see that I'm in the wrong here but also I can acknowledge that this is just kind of part of life and this kind of thing happens like that's it's it's very mature emotionally um so will sure I think that's beautiful pick I think it is I'll be interested if this is is something you pick for your, you know, because this would pair beautifully with gone, gone, thank you on your list and make your list a lot more dynamic. So stop. All right, don't attack my list,

okay? You coming after me. And I've, I've been getting people coming up to me. And they're like, yo, dog, like, who that boy? This record, that record. Those are my favorite. So, hey, relax. But what's your, what's your first denomination? All right. Cool. Well, then I'll go maybe a curveball, you know knowing my tastes I'm gonna go track number one Serbaudelaire I'm crums in a rose

Jet fuels in their best swim trunks in a trunk Geneva water the best the passport looking thick my skin soak up the sun and shake your hands with you bumbs fascinating Wow

this I A little conductor for my man Cole I'm that's kind of exactly why I love it because it's it's kind of true to the mixtape kind of universe of taking someone else's preexisting beat that Tyler, I mean, Tyler pretty much never does this ever, which is wrap over someone else's production.

But this is essentially what Tyler's flourishes over it. This is a conductor Williams beat that he took off a West Side Gun project and lays a one 16 bar verse over it, which in this world of a mixtape, I just really love this. It stays true to the concept and it's just Tyler not. having to worry about song structure, bridges, anything like that. He's just world building on track one, introducing us to the call me if you got,

get lost universe, dropping a single effortless, flawless 16 bar verse and just getting out. And it's like maybe this doesn't make for the most dynamic layered nuance song. And maybe I don't know if it can go far in an exercise like this. But I just love the production. I love his rapping on it. I love that he.

was just in and out and didn't feel the need to do two bridges and three verses. Like there's just something beautiful about him being so straightforward on an opening track that we've just really never had. I've never, we rarely hear Tyler like this. So it's kind of refreshing. And the rapping is just like fucking top tier. What are, what's your favorite bar off this record? So the whole last sequence is something that I highlighted because it's like, it's so cool. So when he says, new LaFleur season, summertime looking like private school, which this is like the idiosyncratic flex that I'm talking about.

He's bragging about his own self-design, you know, boutique fashion label, LaFloor. And he's bragging that it looks like private school because all this stuff is like, you know, has the cardigans and the ties and stuff. And then he says, keep it low. Don't want that shit to blow like Osama shoe. It's just super clever private school. and Osama Shue. This is what I love about rap. Like whenever,

when would you ever hear those words put together than other than in a hip-hop song? Private school rhyming with Osama Shoe is just like fucking perfect. I'm looking at the lyrics again. He did kill this. He did kill this.

Yeah, Hotel Concierge. Nomi has that spaced out guy with the chunky ears. This is my favorite part because he says UFC, that ship swall up. That's VVS, keep fix safe. That's a mansion on that USB. It's T.

But chunky ears talking about is diamond jewelry. pairing that with UFC playing on like, you know, what is cauliflower ears, that shit swole up. VVS being obviously diamonds. That starts this UFC, VVS, USB motif with the letters and then ending on its T. Closing out that numeric, that letter sequence is just like, and then he has multiple like internal rhymes and double rhyme schemes throughout this whole thing. It's like, this is technically great rapping and he sounds really cool doing it. I even like how, because Tyler aesthetically.

has always been very, very good with color. And I love how, like, he just wraps about, like, color and texture on this record. Like, something like, even a line is not, like, a flashy line, but, like, Coral Peach Cobbler dude's bit like a Lama Do. It's just like he's putting you in this world of just, like, luxury in such a specific way to his taste that I just find very, very incredible. Coral peach cobledo spit like a Lama Doe.

be reckless you should see what them commas do all right so the sample is uh from billy cobham it's called siesta wake up we could play a little clip of it right here the bassoon conductor williams and west side gun were not the first people to flip this sample though um anyone here familiar with the rap group famous minneapolis rap group atmosphere oh shit okay atmosphere flipped it on their 2003 album seven's travel Sick. Okay. I didn't have that. So, that's a good record. Atmosphere. Shout out Slug.

Also, it's a Billy Cobham sample, and Billy Cobham just should say quickly, he's responsible for one of the most famous samples in all of hip-hop in the song Heather, which was flipped in 93 to infinity by Sol's and Mischief. So Billy Cobbam, great sample source. Conductor Williams, great air for samples. this sample part of a great lineage and this song pretty fucking good

I was afraid you're gonna call me out for wasting a pick trials no wait I'm I'm surprised I'm gonna be honest you know

it is I will say there are other songs off this project that seem like more coal bait but we will see if you pick them okay all right so is it time for my second nomination

Yeah. All right, bro. I have to do it. Lumberjack is that one, bro. This is one, bro. Shout out to my mother and my father did he can pull out. MSG sell out.

Fuck the niggins gap out. Good credit score. This car really can't max out. This is one of my nominations. I'll just say up front. So we doubled here. Oh, fucking, like I knew that we were both going to pick lumberjack. It is.

Tyler talks about it. What to me, the reason why this is my second favorite Tyler record is because to me, he was always in like that, in the flower boy, Igor era, he's very, very interested in stretching the bounds of his singing voice and trying to get closer and closer to melody. And call me if you get lost to me is the first time where he's really, really thinking about the texture of his rapping voice, the tenor of it, how he's attacking a beat, the delivery of it, where there are certain records like Lumberjack where he's not doing too much. The beat and him are in perfect synthesis.

He is not, and that to me is like what makes a great rapper, and he does it constantly throughout the projects, through the project, where when he needs to be a little bit more excited, when he needs to sell a punchline, he takes a lot from Wayne, when he needs to get a little bit more gravelly. You hear like the GZ influence. There's so many times on this record where he is in complete control

of his instrument as a rapper. And I think Lumberjack is a perfect example of him just not doing too much. I think the opening line of the chorus is a perfect, perfect. Rolls-pull-up, Black boy hop-out, shout-out to my mother and my father didn't pull out ease.

Once again, we're not taught, like, the lines that I like off call me if you get lost aren't always the big punchline parts. It's the like, this is so fucking slick. This is reminding me of like hove. It's like something that like a rapper just gets off and you're like, this is the peak of rapping to me where it's so cool.

You almost won't like pay attention to it unless you really love hip hop. I just, I also, before I get into the other things I love about this, Cole, can you guess what my favorite moment off this record is? And it's one of the most

mixtape parts of it. When he starts over in the beginning? No, it's where Jasper comes. It's different. It's really different. It's different. It's really different. And you know, I might study you tall. Like, it's so good.

It's like, I want to run through the wall. It's like such a little part, but it's like Jasper's, um, jasper's ad libs on this are so good. And then my question for you before, before I talk about why you love this song is, do we really think that he is being truthful and that he paid Drake a million dollars to get booed at Camp Flaggna? I believe him. It seems like this album is full of truth. I don't think the flexes are exaggerated at all, actually. I don't know.

I'm not saying. I believe him. I'm not saying he's lying. I'm more so being like, damn, Drake's quote was a million. Like, that makes sense. If I'm, if I'm Tyler, I'm like, damn, you ungrateful ass motherfucker. It's like, I just dropped a Millie. I thought you'd be excited.

I remember that night one of the funniest nights on the internet. hilarious. So funny. Oh my God. What a great time. People built it up that it was going to be Frank Ocean. And so when it was A, not Frank and then B, the Constellation Prize was Drake to that audience, I mean, Tyler admitted it was kind of tone deaf him even bringing Drake there.

But Justin, do you remember that night? I remember that night. I mean, it was just great moments. I mean, this is, look, Twitter isn't what it once was, but like these are the moments that Twitter was created for. I kind of felt bad. for the boy. You felt bad for Drake? Yeah. All right. Honestly, hey, I'm light skin too. Hey, Tyler,

if you want to pay me a million dollars to get Boodat Camp flogged on, I'll do it fucking tomorrow. I don't care. Cole, Cole, you have put out so much stuff about so many lower moments of Drake's career. And this is where you're like, I feel bad that he got paid a million dollars. Like, yeah. I guess the money. It worked like. listing the moments, like,

you're hiding a child is one where I was like, okay, actually feel bad about this. You get a good for a million dollars. It's kind of like, put some Vaseline on it. You'll be fucking fine. But why are you like number jack?

I like it for a lot of the reasons you do. I particularly like it. And he does this a lot on this album, but it may be the best on this song, which is the beat itself seems to naturally call for a certain style of rapping, especially from Tyler. Yeah.

And he does the opposite of what you think he's going to do. And he just wraps super cool and understated. Yet he has the kind of wherewithal and the genius to know that I also do need that hype element. So I'm going to bring Jasper in here to do all these hyped ad libs around me being super cool. And I'm going to sound even cooler amongst, it's like being, it's like being cool under pressure under chaos is the dynamic that you are feeling when you're listening to this, which is like, What is, that's the coolest. That's every superhero movie. That's every action movie.

Someone that doesn't buckle under stress. And that's kind of what this song sonically gets at for me. Yeah. Where I just love that dynamic between him and the beat. And there's a, there was a world in which, especially early Tyler, would one, just like straight up go crazy on something like this, or at least get to that point eventually, but he never does on this song. And I think that's part of the restraint that this mature Tyler has.

that's a talent that he has grown into, which is knowing he doesn't always have to take it to 10. He can let the beat be a 10 or you can let Jasper be a 10. And I'm going to be right here in the middle and create some tension. So that's the main reason why I love this song. The beat itself is fucking really, really cool. Perfect. I got some nerdy sample shit that we can go over because I know Justin.

I love to talk about this one. Well, I mean, you can kick it off because I feel like this is your wheelhouse. What I think is interesting is, well, it's a sample, it's a reimagining, slight reimagining of a song by the Graved Diggas, which was a horror core group from the 90s, put out a couple records. One of them, six feet deep, is just, it's a cult classic. It is an amazing record. The Grave Diggers were, there were four members, the two most prominent ones of them, you might have. I recognize these names, Prince Paul, one of the greatest producers who's ever lived, who produced that track. And another one of the greatest producers who's ever lived, the Riza. Let's just play the sample that it comes from. This is Grave Diggers,

two cups of blood, Prince Paul produced. So sick. And then if we could look up the original sample, that two blood or two cups of blood sampled. It is by Larry Williams Intercrisis from 1974. That's a sick.

And my ear is like, oh, of course Tyler likes that. That's the minor second that's all over Tyler's music since day one, that really dissonant interval that he keeps on every single album. Half of his records

have minor second intervals. So of course, his ear is going to be drawn to it. Also, what's interesting is the drums from this track come from a song called, I'm going to butcher this name Ha-Hachi.

But this is like a super famous by the Lafayette Afro Rock band 1973. And this these drums, as you know, Justin, everywhere in hip-hop, sampled in 317 songs if we're going by Who Sampled,

probably more that aren't documented on there. It's also sampled on Biz Marquise. Nobody beats the biz, which is a song itself is one of the most sampled songs in hip-hop history, sampled over 135 times. And this is what I love about this record and what Tyler is doing on it.

Because even just rapping over this beat from the Gravediggers to then going back all the way to these Larry Williams and Lafayette rock band samples, is like he is placing himself in a lineage. He is saying, without saying it, I am a part of this lineage, and every bit of a more quote-unquote traditional rapper, to his point about Q-tip.

and his ability to do both. He can be the quote-unquote weird experimental guy kind of adjacent to traditional hip-hop, but this is him saying, no, I actually love this genre. It's not something that I have been running from at all. It's actually something I have embraced from day one. And this album is going to make that more explicit,

but this has been me since forever. And I love that history is kind of just built in organically into this record where he doesn't have to say it all the time. He could just be it, because he is it, you know what I mean? Is this Tyler's GNX in a lot of way? Or honestly, this came out first. So Kendrick's GNX where it's like, I think what I was thinking about when I was going back,

listening to call me if you get lost, is I think for black artists especially, to win a Grammy as a rapper a lot of the times, you have to fit into a lot of boxes that will appeal to white voters. The Grammys, they're working on it, but historically has been very, very white. And I think it's the same thing with publications, whether it's pitch fork or fader or this or that. And to me, what I love about Call Me if you get lost is once Tyler gets all that, I think he does have a moment that I think a lot of rappers do, where it's like the coolest thing in the world is rapping. As a genre, it is something in it of itself where it's like, Igor isn't special because there's less rapping on it. Igor is special because Tyler, the creator, locked in on a production level, on a musical level.

But to me, that doesn't make it the best, that alone doesn't make it the best project in his discography. And I think when I listen to something like, call me if you get lost, is an artist saying, like, hey, from day one, I love the tenets of hip hop from a, from a very. production level, from a sampling level, from a rapping level, and it's finally an artist. And I think this happens, it's not lost on me that it happened in his 30s. I think this happens with a lot of artists where you're finally like, oh, no, the building blocks of this thing that I love, the genre I love, it's part of, part of my duty is to protect it, you know, in the same way that Kendrick is like, no, I'm of a lineage of the West Coast. That has been part of me.

But now I'm going to push it forward and show you the. present of it and what the future can be. To me, this is Tyler being like, not only am I of a lineage, I know I have a predominantly white audience. Part of my, like, power and part of my responsibility is to show y'all, even if I'm not telling you out loud, these are the core tenets of it.

And that's why I love a song like, like Lumberjack, because it does that to the int degree. One last thing I'll just point out because it is a little bit on the nerdy side. And, you know, Tyler doesn't have a ton of lyrics that do this, but I love that when he needs to, he can. So there's like the second half of the chorus where he says, uh, wips on whips, my ancestors got the backs out too far.

500 stacks for the hood. Call me Lunder Jack because you wish a guy would. Whips on whips, my ancestors got the backs off too far 500 stacks for the hood. Call me Lumberjack because I wish a nether wood, where you're like odd. This the wish of a good face thing. So slyly he's building on, like the song title is called Lumberjack because that whole second half of the chorus, he's saying 500 stacks, which is obviously money. Then he says, call me lumberjack playing on the fact paper and money.

And then Wood Race. So I wish I and Wood is slash W-O-O-D and then pays it off at the end. They get in paper like they should. So you have this motif of wood that is very subtle, but is quote unquote dissectable, which is again, like, it's kind of everything about this album where it's like, put it under a microscope, it holds up. We can make all these connections to the history and the lineage of hip hop, mixtapes and collectives and all these things.

But it's never, oh, it's never heavy-handed throughout this entire project. It's just kind of, it's just, it just is and it's there if you want to see it. but it's not something that's just going to like really call attention to itself, which is like what I really have come to appreciate, particularly about this album for this exercise. Because I didn't really pick up on this as maybe as in detail as I did this time around. But I think that's enough on Lumberjack. I'm glad we both picked it.

I think it's a strong contender for this album's last song standing, which leaves us with our last picks off this album. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, I'm very curious to see where you're going. This episode is brought to you by Sierra Nevada Hazy Little Thing. If you saw the band when they played at the bar or stopped mid-festival to look at the stars, then you're ready to embrace the haze with Hazy Little Thing. Citricy, smooth, and easy to drink, it pairs with nights that don't need a script.

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Off call me if you get lost. Corso was one that I almost picked. Corso in my heart is just dog. I love Corso so much. Hmm. Any other ones? Corso is also brilliant in that he sets up the relationship in that song on track too, so that when you get to it at the end of the album, it makes sense and doesn't come out of nowhere.

Again, this is Tyler just being so good at making concept albums to know, okay, I need to plant the seeds early so that when I get here, it makes sense. Also, I love that, like, I love the DOMO feature on Manifesto. I just like Menefesto as a song. I didn't pick it because I don't think he can like far in the Royal Rumble. Yeah, those were the two Corso and Manifesto were ones where I was just like, oh no, these are these are them ones. But I got to go with Lemonhead. I think the beats Lemonhead is insane, bro.

I think it's one of the best beats. It's so good. It's the wolf gang, looking dude out, nigga Wu-Tang you get chew out. Then we woo-hout. Bitch, I'm cool, cool, and his mouth wet here, pool now. T-S-C waterfalls on my chest,

help me cool. On this project, when we talk about, Lemonhead reminds me a lot of Cherry Bomb, but like a perfected version of it. There's so much happening. Tyler's delivery is incredible. What are my favorite bars? talking about like a slick bar that's not going to hit you over the head with how funny it is

but I listened to it again. I was like, all right, you got one is got a roommate. He won't move out if you want smoke. He'd a cool. It's just, it's such a slick little bar and I'm like, dog. Tyler's theatricality on the song reminds me of Peekwain where he has this moment where he like does like a hawk. Like he spits, like he does that, that FX. That is just, gangsta grills, the projects always, Wayne specifically reminded me of those

moments. Then in a bubble are like a little corny, but are just like, it's what makes it's so fun. When he was talking to DJ drama, he was like, yo, the thing that was so special about those tapes is you could take a song that was like technically a four. and now it's a seven or eight because DJ drama's fucking yelling over it Wayne has like one or two verses some of the punchlines are corny

but he'll have two or three where you're like dog this is the funniest shit I've ever heard Frank out Frank Ocean's out Wait what we're gonna say? I was just gonna piggyback on because that section is something I wanted to highlight from the song

because again going back this idea of Tyler placing himself in a lineage even placing odd future in a lineage Like that whole section where he's saying, it's the Wolfgang talking about essentially odd future there, Brooklyn Zoo out. So we have this connection between Wolf and Zoo,

but obviously Brooklyn Zoo being an old dirty bastard song. So then he says, Wu Tang, get you chewed out. Then we woo ha, this is flip mode. So he's calling out flip mode. Wu Tang, these collectives, you know, and starting with Odd Future Wolfgang. And just, you know, that whole section is so good.

It's the Wolfgang. But I think even though there was some 4-2-Doug slander earlier. Not slander. It wasn't a slander. Here's the thing there is, and I always say this about rappers. There are some rappers who are meant to be here for a long time, and there's some rappers who are meant to be here for a good time. 4-2-Dug, he had a moment in the sun, and when he was rapping, he was rapping his ass off,

I honestly think he gets the best of Tyler on this song. To me, this beat exemplifies what makes four to Doug so interesting, which is like he's almost like his rapping style is, is like this weird hyperkinetic frog-like creature. And the beat and everything that's built around him is, he reminds me in a weird way of like a Buster Rhymes almost. And the beat is so crazy around. him it creates this amazing tapestry and texture.

Lemonhead is for Tyler to get a favorite Tyler project currently. Maybe Chromacopoeia will surprise me is because of records like Lemonhead and him being able to be able to infuse like Lemonhead and him being able to infuse a lot of the joakiness and a lot of the hyperactive qualities of his music, but still keep it in that really cool pocket of what we know is a gangster girl's tape. Yeah, I just have to point out this might be, it's a rare song in which one rapper shits on one thing and the other rapper boasts about it. So Tyler says earlobe with lemon heads looking like Bart, Keep your Potech.

I spent that on art. So he's undermining Potech watch. And then 4-2 Doug says two-tone Potech in this bitch, goddamn. Flexing about his Potech. I just thought that was funny. Hey, but I'll be honest. That's also what makes the song funny because. I know.

Well, that funny. I love that dynamic, actually. Because what, and I, it's, to me, it's what makes this special is that, I think a lot of Tyler fans or the cliche version of them can think that they're above a four two Doug they can think they're above a young boy like that is lesser in terms of just like

what that music is doing and call me if you get lost as saying like no no no no no no a four to Doug an NBA young boy a little oozy vert that is just as special that is just as important uh in my opinion like yo when people talk about country music hey yo we know what country music

nine times out of ten is about it's about breaking up with your girl fucking whiskey and the fucking plains and niggas don't fucking complain why are we complaining what four two dog wants to protect like hey yo like let this one fucking get off like she like I'm like hey that that's part of rap too and I love that

Tyler Tyler is uplifting that because to a kid, there's no difference between like NBA young boy and what GZ meant to a young Tyler. And that's what I love about this record. Is it saying like, no, not only am I of a lineage of what came before, I am of a lineage of these rappers that are just ass popping.

And it's, and Tyler said he's like he's never felt, he's never felt accepted by rap. And this is a project where it's like, hey, yo, I don't need to feel accepted by rap. I'm going to show you by who I'm collaborating with that I'm just as much a part of it. So I want to shout out one minute. Yep. It's a great pick. I do have a question for both you. Are you guys aware of the sample theory, the Minecraft sample theory around this song?

I'll let you. I'll see the floor to you. Can you say Minecraft? Yeah. Okay. So there's this theory that Tyler sampled this song called I came to dig Minecraft rap by Try Hard Ninja? Have you guys heard of Try Hard Ninja?

Yeah, I think he worked with Prince Paul and the Vriza. No, I'm joking. What? Okay, so it's like a spoof. It's a parody rap song about Minecraft essentially. But if you listen to the intro of the song, there's a case to be made.

I want to see all your pickaxes in the air and sing this one with me. Are you ready? Listen to the, the horn, though. The horn. I'm sorry to say, does, they're very, very

similar, same rhythm, same rhythm. Why do you, why do you hate us, Cole? What? Do your daughters play Minecraft? They do, yeah. Oh, so you're trying to. No, no, actually, no, they, they play Roblox.

Sorry, I think that's different. I'm on the fence. I'm not actually sure. It seems, I mean, it's very similar. It would not surprise me. is all I'm saying. Tyler seems very, very online. It would not surprise me.

But yeah, that did ruin my day. I'm not going to hold you. Yeah, Justin looks so disappointed right now. I'm just, look, I'm in New York. You guys are on West Coast time. I'm on East Coast time. I've been traveling. And I'm like, we've hit the part of the episode

where we're going over Minecraft sample. So, you know, I don't know. I mean, sure. Fuck. Let's go. All right. So anything else on Lemonhead or? No,

that's it. Okay. Lemonhead was on my short list. You know, this exercise was really hard for me. Just let me shout out a couple before I get to my actual nomination. What's your name? Love it.

It's a little too short or something like, there's something about it that I just couldn't nominate it. but I love it when I hear it. Hot wind blows. I'm actually, was Hotwin blows on your short list, Charles? I'm surprised that you weren't on the fent. No?

I think it's great. I think Lil Wayne sounds great on that beat. I guess they see now. That's touchdown. Catch a beat down. I was really close with Massa. I was curious as a child and asking questions. So I ain't get no fucks.

F and bucks. If they accept me. That to me is like a, is a form of Wilshire in terms of like flexing a different muscle lyrically and with his with his flow in terms of like telling his story, basically telling his story since Cherry Bomb to now and how he matured late and kind of like going through all the eras and all the growth that he had over the last couple years. Okay, so I was forever going to pick Sweet I thought you wanted to dance. I love this song.

Charles is already shaking his head. I knew, like, bro, if you pick this song, I would have been so fucking pissed. This is the song off the project that I'm just like, it derails it for me. I'm like, come on, this is games to grills, bro. Like, get this shit out of here. Justin, are you a fan of Sweet I wanted to dance?

You know, I wasn't back in 2021. Not that I disliked it, but it just didn't really grab me. And it's been grabbing me a lot more on these recent listens. I think it's a really good song. to Charles's slight disgust, I do think that would have been the most Cole pick possible left on the board. You're better than that.

I mean, well, okay, this is what I love about it is the musicality of it. And I think Tyler really likes this track or these two tracks, I think it's specifically because there are some musical moments that are like the best in his career, I would say. There's a bridge on SWIFE, that is crazy. There's a synth solo on Sweet that is crazy. There's this one, just one time

flourish that he does on the lyric, you know how I feel about you and it kind of rises, like just kind of breaks into this totally different thing and then just comes right back to the verse. So there's all these things over my musical brain is like, that's really creative. Oh, that chord progression, really, really beautiful, really complex, technically sounds. like really, really good. I thought you wanted to dance. I think it's really fun. I'd love the production on this.

To be clear, I think the production on this song is amazing. I just don't. It's something about the singing and the lyrics where I'm like, they do not live up to how good the production is, in my opinion. I agree with that on Sweet to some extent. I think I thought you wanted to dance is really good all the way through.

But Sweet does drag a little, little like at moments for me. And I think him grouping together might have been strategic because I think he probably knew this was a little bit of a derailment and there's going to be a certain audience that doesn't like it. And it's just very easy to skip this 10 minute kind of sidebar

by just pushing skip and then you get to the next time. I'm the, you're on your way. Did that. Yeah. I figured. But ultimately I couldn't go with the song because I wanted a song that feels more representative of the project.

And there was a song that grew on me very late into the game and it might be a very big curveball to most listeners here, but it's the last track Safari. I think this song would get a lot more credit if it was earlier on the project

because I think it's some of his best rapping on the entire album. The flow on the first verse, he has his voice kind of like pitched up and he's having this super rapid flow will play a clip here. Fuck all the chase for the cards get a pass,

we see the world, open your eyes to your back, her, But then he can get bread and one leaf shit his back. Start with your feet. Then I caught in the air pole. Get out your bubble. Gum. Blow up the risers. Son.

But then he can contrast that with the flow on the second verse, which is very much, I don't know if it's a tribute to MF Doom, but it's very much in the Doom universe in terms of his rapping style and the metaphors that he does. Every car retarded the garage like a looming man, Wakupian. I've been switching years since Tracy Ellis Ross was UPian. Clutch to be stroke. Got to be strok. Gotta know it like a droopy grin. Kind of just kind of this loopy off the wall abstract kind of cartoon references and kind of funny punchlines.

And I just think he like, he just, there's something about the song that grew on me late. And if I'm trying to think of a song that represents the album, I think this is really great to do that. Because like, again, he's rapping, I think, his best maybe on the entire project on these verses. Are you guys, is this a weird pick? Is it a wasted pick? What do you guys say? It's not a wasted pick. pick, it was a song that I had overlooked to your point because it comes so late and then

listen to it, I was like, oh, to me, this song would have worked way better up front almost because the production is amazing. To your point, his rapping is great. The performance is great. And it coming so late, it's almost, I guess it does kind of close the loop, but I was like, oh, it wasn't until you, like, because like before we, we come on, like, spoiler alert sometimes you give like a short list of like here's some songs I'm thinking about and safar I was like safari I've never even thought of safari when I went I was like oh safari's actually like a hidden gem on this project is it would you say it's one of the most least listed two songs just because it's not near the top it is in terms of streams it is

definitely I don't think it's the lowest but it's like it's pretty close and I think it is just simply because I wouldn't say this album is bloated at all, but it is, I feel like, I don't know, maybe let me fact check, but it feels like a longer project, 52 minutes. So, I mean, it's not that long, but it is longer than the Igor or even a flower boy. And I think, yeah, I can see some people not getting to this final track. But that was kind of part of why I wanted to nominate it was to shine a light on it, because if you don't understand how good it is, just start with this song. you know, you'll see why I nominated it.

Do you have any thoughts on this, Justin? No, I mean, I think to your point, I had kind of forgotten this song existed because in my mind, Wilshire kind of felt like the closer to the album in a lot of ways. So, re-listened to the album, was like rediscovering it every single time

it did catch me. I was not expecting you to pick it, though. So this is interesting. Yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know if I'll pick it for the last song standing, I probably won't, but if you listen to the lyrics, like it does kind of close the loop, quote,

quote like because he really pays off on like i mean he gets very explicit he says fuck all the trains in the cars get a passport see the world open your eyes till you tell your back hurt people get bread and won't leave shit is backwards start with your feet then a car than an airport so he's just like he's just like encouraging people to leave their house leave their comfort zone and go travel experience the world which is kind of what this album is all about you know find who you find what you like and do that get out of your own bubble and explore make yourself uncomfortable and grow um so i think it does close the album off thematically very nicely and again i think it just he's just fucking wrapping his ass off um i mean he says the suit was so sharp it could get

medusa coochie trimmed which is like it's so i mean to me that's like so doom um he says clutch then he stroke out of nowhere like a droopy green Rin, like stroke face, but also stroking car. Like, so sick. So listen to Safari. If you're not familiar with it, you're going to love it. But I think that takes us to, unless you had something else, Charles. No, like, before we get to the Royal Rumble, let's recap. So I pick, we both pick Lumberjack. I pick Lemonhead. And then I also pick Wilshire. I picked Safari, Lumberjack and Sir Baudelae. All right. So let's, let's head into the Royal Rumble. All right. So this is now where we, are forced to choose.

Our last song's standing. Off a call me if you get lost. The songs that each of us choose are going to be taken into the finale, Royal Rumble, which is coming up in just a couple episodes. So I won, this is where winning this today's quiz is really going to come and clutch for me. Because I got the most points I get first and we had an overlap here, a rare overlap in our nominations. And I'm going to go cutting right to the chase.

I'm going lumberjack. Last song standing off. call me if you get lost. I'm going lumberjack. Oh, you had to pick it. I knew what was going to pick it. I'm not going to belabor it. I think Wilshire is the more important song. Okay. I think it is like, it's a beautiful song, but I have gone gone. Thank you. Which I feel like are similar in just in terms of just like ambitious scope, Tyler pushing himself. And also, I'm going to go back to the old Charles and I like bangers. So I'm going Lemonhead. I love Lemonhead.

Like, shit, I was putting that shit on today. The Bart Simpson line is fucking incredible. Like, fuck it. I'm going Lemonhead. It's what better way to celebrate gangster grills and the spirit of having nothing but bangers than picking a banger? That's kind of what I felt like with this album, which was like, even the nominations were a little bit hard.

And I asked some of my friends that I know that love this album, shout out Darren, Greg. But I was like, which are the tracks that you guys really like on this? song and they both came back with totally different songs and they came back each of them came back with totally different songs that i was even thinking about what were they were they're like exercise like this like um let's see Greg really liked manifesto that was would be his top choice um corso what's you know like it was just a super varied list um which kind of i think speaks to what this album is which is it's hard to pluck a single song

from this album, especially the first half, because it all kind of flows together really nicely, all along mixtape. And some of the tracks just have like one verse, you know, 116 or like one verse and a feature, you know,

like a hot wind blows. So where it's like where you're trying to just pick one song that's going to be represented of the album or could have a chance to go far, maybe some of these songs don't have the gravitas or the weight, you know, that like a gongon thank you does or even like a yonkers does, you know, that was the hard, the challenging part of this exercise where I'm like,

the whole or the whole is greater than the sum of its parts than the truest sense of the phrase. Yeah. But I'm glad that we both went with what I think are perfectly representative of this project, which are almost like Lucy feeling bangers that just kind of Tyler's rapping his ass off over a great beat. And like, what else do you kind of want from this album, right? Justin, are we in the wrong slash?

Do you want to, any songs do you want to? want to consider using your whatever we're calling this instant replay yeah the the var we need to think of a better name for i'm gonna think of it for the next time you just sprung this on me um mass is really really really really good i think and i think you shouted it out but that was a song that i was referencing a couple times when i was like well we'll get to these songs i figured somebody would have picked that song to be honest but uh for at least the nominations um he's just rapping so well and also like just being so reflective on how he arrived at the position he's in while he's just rapping really, really well.

But I don't think I could pick that over these two. These were my two songs that when I first hit play on this record, even though my feelings about the record have changed and maybe even evolved for the better since 2021. These were the lumberjack and Wilshire were the first two that I thought of when I was thinking of this record. Some people, um, are going to get upset about sweet, and I thought you wanted to dance not being here. I was surprised at the streams on this song. So,

what's your name has the most streams? Because it was a single, and I don't know if I got radio play, but that's most. At least on Spotify, it's like $463 million. But right behind it is sweet. I thought you wanted to dance

at 424 million streams. So people love that song. Just as a point of clarification, all the stuff from the estate sale, We're covering, they don't count for this record, correct? Yeah, we should have that up top, but yeah, we're going to, we have a Lucy's dedicated episode. We're going to pair with don't tap the glass. So we're going to, everything on the estate cell is fair game on that episode.

We're technically counting those as like B sides, essentially. Cool, because we'd be here for another three and a half hours if we had to do those songs right now. All right. So next up, Chromacopia, an album, okay, this is interesting. So both of you guys haven't returned to chromocopia, probably since it's, came out. So let's get your pre revisiting chromocopia thoughts here briefly. And then we're going to see if they change after revisiting it. I will say it is a, it is a record that you love a lot that when I try to listen to it, I bounced off it for some reason. And it was not because the record was bad.

It was just, it did not seem as much of an evolution for Tyler this time around. It almost. seemed like a half step. And that's not in a bad way. It was just like after something like Igor where he takes a big swing and then call me if you get lost where it's like, oh, this is my victory lap. Dog, I've always been able to wrap, but I'm a really show y'all. Chromacopia almost felt a little less significant. Is that, am I being a hater, Justin? No, that's exactly my impression that like every Tyler record from Goblin on either seem to represent this massive leap forward or a pivot into something that'd be a little unexpected and that he pulled off really well. And chromocopia to me, I thought it was really, really good, but it just, it didn't, it didn't quite stick with me like the others. And I think for a lot of the same things that Charles felt, but Cole, I know that you and a lot of the fan base feel very, very, very,

strongly about that. So I'm willing to be completely wrong about this one. Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing next week's thoughts on it. So everyone revisit Chromacopia. Thanks to everyone that contributed to the episode. And we'll see you next week. All right, we are back for the cultural exchange. Yes, this is, this one is going to be interesting. I assigned you. Okay, I'm very interested. So I assigned you the Sunset Limited by Cormac McCarthy, a play that is, I guess, yeah, it's just a play. It's dramatic novel. Yeah, it took you to read. Yeah, it took you what, an hour to read?

Yeah, I did it in two sittings, read most of it, went to sleep, read the other half, and fascinating pick, fascinating pick, Cole, because at times I was leaning back, like I hate this, and then I was leaning forward. This is really, really interesting. And by the end, I did not know how to feel, which I think. think is the mark of just like interesting art because I think at first I pulled back because there was a feeling of like I'm like is McCarthy playing on the magic magical negro trope or is he falling prey to it then there was a feeling of okay this is not a play and I could see why some of the reviews were like

this is more a novel. And then when you get into the text of it, where you have the white character, the professor, who is an atheist, basically the plot of, the plot of the play, the novel is that he's about to throw himself

in front of the sunset limited when a black man saves him who's very, very religious. I thought their argument was fascinating, which it was like, I was like I was in the coffee shop like reading. I was like, oh, this is really, really. And then when you get to the end, that's really what I want to talk to you about,

which is like it does the thing that I love is that it leaves you on a note of ambiguity where essentially you don't know where McCarthy as the writer begins which character is his viewpoint. if either is his viewpoint is the nihilism of the world where he sits or the black character who is like you think your pain makes you so singular that you are wrapped up in education in science and culture and you think that you are the only person in the world that is experiencing this pain when there is something so much deeper I was like okay yeah I was like I was I ended it being like oh I'm really I'm really happy that that you recommended this one.

Yeah. So I read this a couple times when I was like early 20s. So like to your point, there does, I didn't recognize it back then, but rereading it for this exercise, I was like, oh, yeah, there are kind of some tropes that might be a little, I don't know. I was curious to see how you felt about those things. But I just think the concept of it is super fascinating and how it plays out where it's like, essentially these are represent.

These are just symbols of a certain. you know, where you have the classic white intellect who is like puts all his pride into thought. And that lead in this case leads him down this nihilistic path. But you can tell he takes a certain amount of pride in it. There's almost like an ego to it, like where he is above the world. And his intellect places them above people. And then you have this kind of more tortured, who has, you know, this guy that has been to prison, who has seen and experienced.

a lot of trauma. He's the one that has faith in the world. He's the one trying to convince this privilege, essentially a privileged white intellectual, that no, there's something beyond this and this thing is worth living. And he's living in this, you know, shithole apartment where, you know, it seems like they're just drug, drug users. And as the white guy is just saying, this place is horrible. Why do you live here? And it's just, yeah, it ends up being just a very interesting thought experiment in terms of like when you're reading it, I don't know how you experienced it, but like you identified with both characters at certain points where I've been down the path of like, I definitely felt in times of my life that I was going down the path

of the white guy where I was getting very cynical and nihilistic about things. But then there's also I see the hope and the beauty and the faith of the black man's character. And we're saying white and black because that's literally their names in the in the in the play uh but the black guy's character there was also moments where i'm like yeah that is or has to be there has to be some hope or some optimism that things are going to get better or aren't as bad as they are or otherwise we would all just fucking kill ourselves right like the white guy ends up concluding to and yeah and the fact that that it leaves you not saying one is right or wrong and i mean really i actually ended up feeling empathetic for the black guy's character because he wasn't able to convince the white guy

of a worldview that would change. It seemed like the guy was just going to go out and kill himself, basically, is what I took away from it. I don't know how you felt about it, but that was kind of like, yeah, nice try, but he's kind of on its own path. That seems like unstoppable. Well, that's why I feel like this would have worked better as a novella, because when I've write other comic McCarthy novels.

He's such a descriptive writer. And because it's formatted as a play, I think a lot of the cliches and a lot of the tropes where I was like, ooh, could have been smoothed out in a novella where you're getting more of, instead of it being a character talking to you about their background, you are getting a lot of the description that makes them a more full character. So by the end, it wasn't necessarily that I felt bad for the black character. It was more so I was interested in what McCarthy was trying to say about belief. Because the whole time I did find, as someone who has been very nihilistic in the past, very black and white, no pun intended, or maybe pun intended in the past, maybe this is growth.

I felt like the white character was not making any points in terms of just like, and that's what makes for a fascinating read because like the more I've grown and the more I've matured, I'm just like, yeah, nihilism gets you nowhere. Like the easiest thing in the world is to be like nothing matters, nothing makes sense. We are just built on this world and this world is nothing but pain and misery. It's not until you get through that thing you're like, that is actually the easiest way to go through life because like you're taking all of your responsibility out of it. And so it's not as someone who does not necessarily believe in organized religion, the reason I think I felt more for

the black character was like, no, he's doing actually the harder thing, which is just like, it's not Jesus that he is, it's not Jesus or Christianity really to me that he was trying to convince this character of. It was him trying to be like the hardest thing is to reach out to someone to actually say that someone is your friend, to actually look at the people that are on that train and to realize you are not above them, you are next to them. And that was the core of the thing. And I was like, oh, okay, that's like, that is a sentiment that like I strive every day to go toward. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for indulging me with that. No, I did. I enjoyed the reading experience. It was a very quick read, which I love. I enjoyed myself. Yeah. I mean,

I wouldn't say it's like the greatest work, but in this actually, where I don't want to give you like a 600 page novel. I thought it was a good, good compromise. But so I'm on my anime journey and it's your turn to assign me something anime. So do we have something selected? We do. We're going to like,

we're going to the totemic works now. Because I realize you have never seen Akira. Akira is, it is like when I tell you it is, if I was making like a top 10 movie personally for me, this is one of the movies that just changed my, life. I think Akira, if you can read it as a, as a graphic novel or as a manga, at any time I write it in college after watching the movie, it's a different experience. That is amazing,

but for this work, Akira to me is the height of what anime can be in terms of like building a fully fleshed out world, the cinematic heights of it, just how technically brilliant it is, how great the story is. So, Akira is what I'm recommending now. All right. That's okay, that's good because I've been wanting to see it. I do feel like it's not as bad as a Star Wars, but I've definitely have consumed a lot of Akira imagery just through, you know, cultural experience and being so prominent. And I've worked like, even like, work like Kanye, like was really inspired by it. So I've tangentially aware of it, of it. But I've just never sat down. So I'm very, very excited to do that. Justin, are you, do you, have you seen Akira? Are you a fan? I am very I am in the same place that you started at in this journey

so I you know I gotta I gotta tap into at least some of this because you know I've been watch a watch Akira with me okay let's watch Akira

it is it will melt your heart not because it is it is not a happy movie but it'll melt your heart you're like oh Charles like there are good anime out there

we're gonna watch Akira before we watch Star Wars and Charles is going to watch Dogtooth tonight. Yeah. All right. See you guys next week. All right. See you next week.