Dissect - Crowning OutKast's Best Song Ever | LAST SONG STANDING (Finale)

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

The moment is here. After revisiting their entire discography over 6 episodes, Cole and Charles finally crown OutKast's Last Song Standing: the greatest OutKast song of all time. Let us know your OutKast list by filling out the template at @dissectpodcast on Twitter or IG. Hosts: Cole Cuchna & Charles Holmes Producer: Justin Sayles Audio: Kevin Pooler Theme Music: Birocratic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome everyone to Last Song Standing. I'm Cole Kushna. And I'm Charles Holmes. And in this third season of Last Song Standing, we've done it all. Cole and I have debated our way through Outcast's entire discography. We've exchanged cultural artifacts as wide and varies as at the drive-in and follow-up boy. But we're finally here. It's the season finale, Cole, where the two of us will finally crown the last song standing, aka the greatest outcast song of all time. And Cole, once again, we are back in studio. vibes are through the roof. How are you feeling? We finally made it here. Oh, I just don't know how we're going to get through this episode. I've been looking at our lists ever since we recorded

Equamini yesterday. I've been staring at these lists. I've been making playlist on Spotify, trying to whittle these things down. I have no idea what's going to happen today, but I'm just looking forward to how we try to navigate this thing because our songs are just flawless. I don't have any strategy. You were nice enough to send us a playlist. of all of our nominations. I'm just like, yo, just play them. Just keep listening. And then I'm going to let my heart decide.

Okay. All right. So quick refresher for the audience. These are the songs that are in contention for today. We'll start with Coles list. You have Ms. Jackson, ATLians, Southern Player, Roses, Life of the Party, ghetto music, Kryptonite, and Equipment Eye.

I have B.O.B. Elevators, Players Ball, Hey, Ya. International Players Anthem. The Way You Move, Royal Flush, Rosa Parks. And Justin's coach's challenge is Spadiadi. How are we doing? I don't feel like we're missing that much, right? Are there any?

I mean, we'll talk about the fan vote here in a little bit, but it doesn't feel like we left off. Is there any that you regret not picking? Yes, Chonky Fire. I went home and I was like, they incepted me. This is bullshit. I laughed so hard when I was thinking about that last night. You fucking turn into it.

I'm such a hack. It's like, I'm such a hack. I can't help it. That's the only one where I was just like, fuck this whole podcast and show. All right, that out of the way. Let's map out how we're going to whittle these songs down to crown the greatest outcast song of all time. Okay, so to begin, Charles and I are going to be forced to cut down our list of picks from eight songs to three songs and a cutthroat rapid fire elimination.

Those three songs that survive will be the ones that we're taking into the final Royal Rumble. And this is where me and Charles are going to go. go back and forth with more of extended conversation, trying to knock each other's songs off our lists. We'll repeat this process until we've crowned the last song's standing. And if you've listened to the previous episodes, you know that we gave listeners a chance to vote in an outcast song Nicole and I didn't pick, and the votes are in.

And after this quick break, we're going to announce the winner of the fan vote. We're going to go on a little bit of a detour before the fan vote because I have to ask you a very important question. Okay. There is one album that we did not discuss, but we kind of been kicking the can down and down and down the curb. Yeah. Ida Wilde.

We don't have to belabor this, but I was listening to Idol Wild today. Me too. I think it's okay that we skipped it. I don't feel bad skipping it. Here's why, because I actually did a little research, or I just like just physically counted.

How many times Big Boy and Andre are on the same song on Ida Wild? Do you have an over, if I gave you over or under of five, would it be under or over five? Under. Under five. There's 25 tracks on this thing. Only four of those tracks,

Andre and Big Boy appear together on. Yeah. So is this an outcast album? It's like kind of. It's also like a soundtrack. It's also a film. Like, isn't an outcast album? I guess technically it is.

But I just don't feel like an outcast album to me. I mean, I don't even, I'll be honest, if there's any Outcast fans out there who would be like, you guys sullied your entire podcast because you didn't cover Idol Wild and give it the artistic, like, reclamation that it deserves, I'm going to be like, fuck out of here. Like, even listening to it today, I think the only two songs on it where I was just like, these kind of feel like speakerbox love below outtakes, the ones that I was like, you could take these off and put that on the album or Mighty O. and Morris Brown.

Okay. Everything else, it's not that the songs are bad. They just feel like leftovers or songs that I'm just like, yeah, I could get how this would fit into the idle wild the movie. Yeah. But just listening to it, I'm like, what is this? It's very disjointed. It does feel like a soundtrack. There doesn't feel like a cohesive glue to it at all.

I don't know. I mean, I had trouble just getting through it, to be honest, which is just weird to say about an outcast, project, but if I'm being truthful. It was a slog. Like, I was like, I don't want to listen to it. 25 tracks, I mean, it's an hour and 18 minutes. I know a lot of them are interludes, but I don't know. It just, it's not the sunset that we would like to see for Outcast, but when this came out,

I'll be honest, I was pissed. Like, when I, like, because I, that was at the point where I could steal the music, but sometimes I would just buy it. I was like, oh, yeah, a new Outcast album. Cool. And they're going to have a movie. I remember listening to this, be like, what the fuck is this? And then going to see the movie and being like,

Alcaz is dead. He's dead. Okay, there is a point to that, though. Like, it does feel like they became such separate entities at this point that trying to, I mean, I'm glad they didn't go any further than Idle Wilde, because it does feel like it, they had a moment. They had a great stretch. And that chemistry, for whatever reason, kind of dissipated.

And they went their separate ways. I think it's great. It's a testament to maybe their creative choice to never go back and try to do the reunion album as much pressure as they got as much money as they would make. Like, we're going to re-rank our outcast discography here in a moment. And it's just like, this is a close to as flawless

of a discography, I think, as you can get with a group this big. Would you take any, do any, are we doing a disservice the last long standing if we don't pick? any of these songs because I'm going to be honest we could pick two songs off this project and immediately

later in this episode I would kick them off. So it'd be like it kind of defeats the purpose. Yeah, I don't I feel no pressure to you knowing what songs they're up against. There's no way. All right. So do we want to talk about our album rankings now? Yeah, let's go for it.

So just to set it up, episode of one in this season, we gave our rankings of the outcome discography coming into the season. Now going through the exercise of really diving deep into this catalog. We're going to re-rank to see if our rankings have changed

in any way. So do you want to go first? So not much about my ranking has changed. It's Idle Wilde. Speakerbox up below. Southern Playa, Stankonia, ATLians, Equamina. So Equamini is number one because it was... It was A.T.L.L.

It was number one after. And we once again, this is recency bias. Equimini and ATLians switch all the time. Right now, as we do this podcast, Equimini is number one, ATLians is number two. Yeah, okay, so for me, one thing did change. So it's Idaho Wild at the bottom,

Labelow speaker box. Stankonia now number four for me. Southern player number three, and then I'm right there with you. Right at this moment, I have Equimini 2, ATLians, number one, in my personal ranking.

if I was trying to be more objective and not giving my personal favorite, I think you got to go to Klem and I won. I think for all the reasons we talked about last episode, I feel like it is that sweet spot in the Venn diagram. I think it's more adventurous than ATLian. So as a critic, I think maybe that's what you put number one.

But Southern Player has switched. I was about to do the same thing, but I was also like, the peaks on Stankonia are still so much larger. than Southern Player, even if Southern Play is a better album to me. That's the thing. Album-wise, from start to finish, I'd probably rather listen to Southern Player.

If I'm just going for the peaks, of course, Stankonia. Like, of course. But these are all, like, the top four, it's like just hairs of a difference, you know? There's not, like, easily could put, we can, we can, it could flip around a lot, which is like, obviously a testament to their discography. I'll have to ask you this.

How many albums of theirs are classics, do you think? Three. Being Equamini. Equamini, ATLE, and Stanconia. People are going to get very mad that I don't say Southern player. It's right on the cusp. What do you think, Justin? What's a classic?

I know. Let's not get too complicated with it, but... Here's the thing. I think there's... Just for my classics, like, what I think of as a classic, I'm like, if you're a fan of, like, rap and hip hop Southern Play easily

is like within it I think if you're just talking about like a classic album that enough people know if you put it on it is something that is just undeniable it changes the fabric of music

like I don't necessarily know if like Southern Player it like changed the fabric of music can I say is it is it impossible for me to say Stankonia might be a classic and Southern player

might be on the cusp of being a classic, but not quite on that level, even if I prefer a Southern Player personally. Yes, here's the thing, I agree. Like, if we were talking, if you're like a rap classic, I think Southern Player absolutely is. Yeah. If we're just talking about, like, just classics in general, what are the 500 greatest albums of all time?

I think it's easier for me to call Stankonia a classic just because I'm like, there's before and after. Yeah, you can, Stankonia, you're not going to bat an eye if it pops up on, like, the Rolling Stone Best 500 album. list. I personally wouldn't bat an eye on Southern Playa, but I'm also not confused if it gets left off that list. Whereas St.onia, I'm being like,

well, you kind of probably should have put it on there. This is all like complicated and kind of stupid. Is there a case to be made for Speakerbox Love Below? No. Given the sales, given the impact of Hayah, and no. Because it's, you

can't have an album that long to me, because it's a double album. This is one project even though it's split to two. You can't have that many tracks on an album and that many are just not great or just sketches or don't even, if we're

being honest, that's just barely an outcast album. So it's already not, it's like an, it's one of those, it's like a bubble chip to me. Right, right. Okay, that's fair. I need to ask you then, how many classes do you think they have? I would say four. Again, to Justin's point, it's hard to talk about

definitively, but there's a case to be made four out of their six projects, which is fucking crazy. But I also think it's that thing of I get a little bit itchy when we talk about like Kanye's or Kendricks or whatever where it's like you could make a case that these artists have four or five classes. I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, let's keep it to a neat and tidy three. I'm always like, let's keep it to a neat and tidy three. Let's not just be calling anything a classic. All right. That's fair. Now, before we get to the fan vote, Cole.

any major takeaways after doing this. Because I feel like my relationship to all these artists tend to change after we do this exercise because it is, it's like a not only what is your favorite, but it's like, all right, taking my emotions out of it,

what are the songs that define these artists even if it's not necessarily what I want the song to be, if that makes sense. I think, yeah, I think the biggest thing for me, and this was apparent very early on in the exercise was like how much I miss collaboration in music where it's like since the kind of

advent of laptops and technology becoming you know digital music programs becoming more accessible to more people there's a lot of solo artists there's a lot of collaboration but through email and like there's something about two guys or even the dungeon family more broadly coming together physically in the same place creating a new sex and building and doing something they couldn't do individually together. And so I think that was something that I just, I kind of just missed. There was like a band element to Outcast, you know?

And you just don't get that much these days in hip hop, but even in rock music. So that was one thing. And then the other thing was just like, I guess I didn't realize it in the moment, but like looking back kind of historically, just how groundbreaking they really truly were and how much of them, especially on those first three albums,

were them very forcefully carving a new lane sonically. That being such an event, them having to have that kind of stubborn attitude to survive and to push forward. I don't know, I just really admired that looking back. Like, wow, these guys really did a lot for the genre and for music more broadly. I'm just super impressed by that.

Yeah, to your point, I think sometimes we tend to take artists like outcast for granted where it's like, well, yeah, Andre was weird, but Andre seems less weird in a world where future young thug, all these other, Atlanta is the mecca now of hip hop, like Migos and we've had so many generations of ATL artists from Gucci Man to T.I. Where sometimes when you go back to the music

and you're not really plugged in, you're just like, oh, yeah, this outcasts, but then doing your research and everything, you're like, oh shit, this was, yeah, they just, just were that weird and out there for that time. And then weirdly, I was watching the Lox's tiny desk performance. And I was kind of getting a little misty-eyed because while they were performing, it was like, oh, you rarely see hip hop groups at this point who, A, stay together that long, but B, enjoy each other's company. and you can tell that these were men that were in the same studio like you were bringing up

and making this art together and memorizing these verses. And they looked happy and you're like, Jada, a cheek and styles. I was like, oh, I miss that level of collaboration because we don't get a lot of hip-hop groups anymore. And listening to Outcast, I bring up the locks because that's how going back to their discography made me feel, where you're just like, you can tell that there was a love. Even as they split, even amidst the arguments, even the push and pull of how street, how hood should we be,

how out there and spacey we should be. I'm like, oh, not only did it make the art great, but I'm like, that's two men. And honestly, with the dungeon family and organizing, I'm like, this is a whole crew that had to believe in each other to make this work, you know? Yeah. So it's, honestly, this is one of my favorite seasons. But now it's time to reveal the results.

our fan vote. We gave y'all the chance to put it all on the line and get your favorite outcast song and contention. Cole, why don't you reveal the results of this vote? Pretty predictable.

It was so fresh, so clean by a landslide. What? By a landslide. Two dope boys got some love. What else got some love? Ain't no thing got some love. But it was so fresh, so clean by a landslide.

All right. Adult contemporary act. Like, how much of a landslide? Like, over 50% of the total vote. 50%? Not even a plurality? No. Like, it was a majority.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's disgusting. It's an iconic song. Okay. We're talking about, let's not like talk about it like it's a terrible song. It's not, but, all right, motherfuckers need to take off their ancient polo and their khaki pants and just, it's fine. This is, no.

Should we bring in our special guest to make a. case for so fresh, so clean. They will get yelled at, but yes. All right, so we're going to bring in our resident audio engineer who's been with us for all the seasons of last song standing, also the audio engineer for Dissect, Kevin Pooler. Kev, Kev, Kev. Kevin's coming on to make a case.

He's going to be the proxy for the fan vote because this is the song he wanted to make a case for. So Kevin, what you got? Hey, what's up, guys? I'm here to be the voice of the people, y'all. Okay? So I'm sorry, Charles, but we got to go with so fresh, so clean. It's a real vibe

even two decades later, don't you think? When you put it on, you get that good feeling. How old are you, Kev? I'm 41. Exactly. Exactly. This is literally music for you. Even nowadays, the production quality is immaculate. Yes, I agree there. The mix is crisp, clean,

just like the lyrics. And that iconic cook, everybody knows it. You wake up, you know, you get ready. You get in the shower. Come out. Look good. You're feeling fresh and clean. That's what you're listening to get. Whoa. You're waking up and literally like before I get squeaky clean in this shower, I'm throwing on this cold fresh.

I also got to say it has that genre of blurring effect. It's funky. It's got pop. It's got some R&B beats in it. If you listen carefully, there's some really cool background layers. I'd argue it became the modern blueprint for hip hop combined. What do you have to say about that? I'm not

I'm being an asshole like shout out so fresh so clean is it is a banger it's just it's not what you like to see see I would think you would like this song like I can see this on your list

easily what? Yeah I'm not that basic you have the way you move I would put so fresh so clean over the way you move easily I mean yes

but also two totally different albums kind of so fresh and clean could be on speakerbox easily it could I do like it better than the way you move. It's just, I don't... For the fans to put all of their power in weight,

I do think that the fans should believe in themselves more. Why aren't they picking Chonky Fire? Exactly. Why didn't you pick Chonky Fire? Well, that's a complication. We don't need to relitigate this. All right, it's so fresh, so clean. Thank you, Kev.

You did a wonderful job. I'm being an asshole. Yeah, so to keep our individualist even going into the Royal Rumble, one of us has to add Justin's Coaches Challenge. Well, yeah, but before we do the Coaches Challenge, we'll get to that in a second. My Coaches Challenge was Spoti-O-Dohelicious. We'll get to that in a minute.

But we have one more person that couldn't be here, friend of the show, Logan Murdoch. I'm so scared. He, you know, he really wanted to be involved in some way in this season. Big Outcast fan. we're always talking to him about music. He sent along a few recordings. Okay?

I'd sent him the lists. I said, just give me your feedback. What would you have done? And this is what he sent back. What's good, everybody? This is Logan Murdoch, tired, bewildered, extremely disappointed vice president of the Dysex Street team. And usually I would take this opportunity to talk about how honored I am. to be able to hear my voice on such an esteemed program and feed like dissect how I've

been listening to this program since it was on Patreon only, how Cole Kushna, his soft sensory voice has gotten me through a lot of Bart rides throughout the area. But this is great. I'm so overcome with disappointment with the list that Sales has sent me of the picks that you guys have. Let's just go through right now. I'm going to start with Charles here. His list looks like the playlist that they put on the target, right?

A lot of skews. Fuck out of you. A lot of barcodes. A lot of those things that you have to put on CDs so it doesn't go through security where it beeps. One of those things, right? Let's just read this thing through right here. We got B.O.B.

from Stankonia. We got elevators from 80 aliens. We got Players Ball from Southern Playalistic. We have the love below. Hey, yeah. We have, okay, this is where I stop right now. I'll just, I'll stop real quick. Because we have speaker box below.

I like the way you move and then royal flesh. But the thing that pisses me off, and this is the most Charles thing ever, is international players anthem being his favorite feature of Andre 3,000. That is the most hilarious thing ever. But it's also the most appropriate thing ever if you know Charles as one of your best friends like I do. Okay? This is one of the funniest things that I have ever seen because of course Charles will pick the most MTV ass single for Audrey

3,000 as a feature. That is hilarious. That is amazing. Hey, Charles, I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of What a Job by Devin the Dude featuring Andre 3000? Have you ever heard of everybody, Fonsworth Bentley featuring Andre 3000? Have you heard of, I don't know, green light? anything better than this.

I don't think you have heard it because I think this is the first and only Audrey 2000 feature you have heard front to back. I think that's why you put it. I think this is just, it was just so lazy. And you did it because what do you want to do, Charles? You want to be, this is not a billboard thing.

This is not, I've only allowed it two minutes and I've already gone through that. Anyway, let's go down the pick. We have royal flush, which, I mean, have you ever heard of black ice? Charles? No, you haven't? It's okay. All right.

It's whatever. Cole, you know, I love you. You're the homie and all these things, but she's... And either one of you put so fresh, so clean. This is not what we were doing here. This is not what we were doing. We didn't want to put so fresh so clean. You just put Ms. Jackson and B.O.B from Stankonia. Jeez, what a disgrace. Sales. This is the Mickey Mouse operation you're running here. I'm so disappointed in everyone in this thing, okay? But I will say this, Charles. I will say this. I know you're a Drake friend. I know you're OVO Chuck. So I have something to. say. Cole got you washed down. Sales got you washed down. Lolo got you washed down. It's terrible. This is ridiculous. Maybe next time

you guys are having me on the show so we can have a proper list because this is ridiculous. Oh my goodness. Last song, standing. Love you guys. Talk to you soon. Bye. Can I defend my honor now? Yes. Let's hear it. All right. First of all, I love Logan.

Logan is a champ. One of my greatest friends. Fuck out of here. He said green light. Like once he said green, I was like, shut this shit off,

bro. All right. I, I, guys, this is called last song standing. This is not called deep cut standing.

This isn't called what I fucking listen to as a fucking kid song standing. This is called last fucking song standing. Get the fuck out of here, okay?

Is International Players Anthem my favorite Onsroy 3000 feature? No, I said it on the show, okay? I'm just like, Justin, you are a maker of list.

Sometimes when we're making lists, motherfuckers have to realize, bro, people gotta listen to this shit. People gotta consume this shit. I'm just not making no backpacker-ass fucking shit, okay? I got a job to do. I got to entertain these motherfuckers. Like, God damn. I'm really upset.

Logan really got me fucking fired up. Do you have anything to say? He was coming at you too, Cole? Kind of, but he gave me some love in the beginning, so I'm good with this. This is great. He was like, you guys pick B-O-B and Ms. Jackson. Oh, that's crazy.

That's crazy. What are we doing here? Really? So, fresh, so clean. Get the fuck. Like, guys, I love y'all. The fans, Logan, Keb, I love everyone. But can we please be serious for one second?

All right. No, Logan, Logan went over his time. And the only reason that it was allowed is because he's my boy, but I'm very, very hurt by this betrayal. All right. It's almost time to begin the Royal Rumble, but before we start cutting down our list, I have a few questions for you, Cole. What is the criteria for us picking any artist's greatest song ever, aka the last song

standing? Because as we've seen with Logan's long and ignorant diatriatrile. How do you say that? Diet tribe. Diatribe. I got it the first time. Some people are confused about what it is we're trying to do here. So can you explain to them?

Yeah. I mean, the short of it is if an alien were to come down on. to earth what's the one song that you would show them that represents who outcast is i think that's a short short way to say it for me i did write down some bullet points just to help me when i was going through the list of just like okay what is the bet what should be represented in an outcast song so i've got got four things with a fifth bonus so top tier rapping that's a given right yeah to the greatest emcees we've known it's got to have i think it's got to have some of that top tier rapping innovative production, particularly for its time.

Like, we talked about all season and just a moment ago, these guys were pushing the envelope their entire career. I think it has to show some element of that. This is something I didn't really think about until we were really scrutinizing the songs and some of them fell flat under scrutiny, but the song, the concept of the song has to hold up. Yeah. Where, you know, you didn't pick Jezebel from ATLians because conceptually didn't hold up.

We've had a couple of those conversations. Even like to artist storytelling, we were all like, we love this song. But it's like, oh, if once you start reading malaria, everything, you're just like, hey, does this fit the criteria? In this exercise where we're trying to like really whittle things down. So, and then lastly, for me, it's important that the song shows some of the contrast between Andre and Big Boy and the chemistry, what makes them special together. And then the bonus for me was it has a cultural quotable, which, you know, for you know, forever, ever. They have, you know, shake it like a

Polaroid picture. They got a bunch of these quotables. So if it has that, that's a bonus, but not a necessity for me. Does anything on this list that I missed? No, I think for me, it's everything you just said, but I also think that there is that quality

of duality is so important to Outcast. So it simultaneously has to sound futuristic, but soulful. It has to be both representative of what the South was at that time, but also pointing forward. to what they want it the South to be. It has to have both that kind of high and low quality to it.

And I think as we're going to get through it, I think one of the important things that you and I probably agree on is both of these rappers, in my opinion, not only have to be on the song, but they both have to show what not only makes them, and this is part of chemistry, what makes them both amazing artists as individuals, but what they bring together to make the whole greater than the parts.

Yeah, perfect. I think we're on the same page then. Are we ready to get into the preliminaries then? Yeah, let's do it. All right, so Cole, we're cutting down our list of picks from eight songs each to three songs. All right? These are three songs that we're taking into the Royal Rumble. The only songs that are off limits in the segment are the fan vote, so fresh so clean,

and Justin's coach's challenge, Spotioti, dopolicious, since those two were guaranteed spots in the Royal Rumble. All right. How do we want to do this? How do we want to start? All right. Let's take the features off right away, right? We're not making, let's not belaborate. That's an obvious elimination.

So for you, we're going Royal Flushes off, international players anthem off right off the bat. These are easy cuts for me. All right, so I'm cutting, I'm instantly cutting the life of the party and kryptonite off your list. Agreed. So now this is,

this is where, and people are going to get mad at me, I think we have to have the speaker box level low conversation now. Yeah. I don't even think it's a big conversation. Can the best outcast song only feature one of the members? Even if Hayah is, in terms of just like commercial success, probably among one of the biggest songs,

I can't, in good conscience, I can't say that Heya is one of the, and I know you can, that's up to you. We're kicking off each other's list, but like I'm looking at my list. I'm like, I love Hayah. There's just no way. No, yeah, there's, yeah, just the technicality of a little. don't know if hey y'all even if big boy was on it is really representative i get all the cultural stuff i get that was a huge song it is a classic song is it the best representation of

outcast career though i don't know same same thing with roses because big boy is on roses we went like i love roses i have a affinity it is when i brought up one of those songs that you listen to as a kid that you have like a nostalgic feeling for right fuck no is roses is that going to be the song that is indicative of what makes Outcast great. Like, it's a great later stage song. Yeah. When maybe they were getting to a point that, like, the project

was over, I can't pick roses. And I would say even ghetto music. I love ghetto music. That's the one that has, I feel like it does have a case, though. No? Well, all right. So, before I kick ghetto music off your list, right? Yeah, I'm looking at yours, speaker box, the way you move.

That's an easy elimination. I'm not even going to argue that. But let's take that one. off. The reason why I'd say ghetto music isn't easy off, even though in doing this, I've come to love that song way more than I initially did. Ghetto music in no way is better than Miss Jackson, ATLE, and Southern Playa, Oric Webinar. In no way. True. I have no argument there, actually. Yeah, you know what I'm like? It's just like, if we're talking about the big, but we can only... But that's the one that you could have a conversation about. I don't think it's worth to have the

conversation to drag it out, but it is, that one does feel like a true outcast. It's no, it's a true outcast song. It is probably top three, top five off that entire project. But I think we're really going to run into right now is we both have four picks. Right now still on our board. B.O.B. Elevators, Players ball, Rosa Parks, then Miss Jackson, ATLE, and Southern Play, Equam and I. We're only bringing three each. This is where it gets rude.

This is where... All right, so let's see. Off your list. So my list is Miss Jackson, A.T.L.E.N.'s Southern player and Equamini. I'm going to be honest. Guess how they play out of here. The saxophone? Yes.

All right, so here's my... You're going to cut the saxophone solo on their first record? Here's my thing. Love Southern player. But if we are talking about the pinnacle of what outcasts, came the pinnacle of their artistry, their rapping, their alchemy, what their place. Here's a thing. With Southern Playa, that's the start of it all, obviously.

But that record is almost an anomaly because it, they almost, not almost, they did shed most of the aesthetic qualities of the playa from the South and all that shit. They didn't bring much of that into the other music. Big Boy more so than Andre, but even Big Boy gets way weirder. They're not on that dope dealer shit for much longer. So it's like, I do think Southern Play a guy, like it's a classic guys. I love it. But it's not Ms. Jackson, ATL, E.L.E, Inz or Equipan, it's just not.

I think that's fair. I'm going to actually use the same argument against your Sunday player. Players ball. Players, I mean, it's in the, I just made this. Yeah. It's in the title. Like players ball. I mean, it's a classic song.

Like we love that song, but in this exercise, can it hold its weight against Elevators, B-O-B, Rosa Parks? I'd rather make a case for elevators. Even Rosa Parks, I think you could make a better case for showcasing more of the musicality. I mean, it sucks that Players Ball gets eliminated this early, but I think for all the reasons that you just said, big picture-wise, I think it's got to be Players' Ball as much as that really is painful to do. because, man, that's a special song. And historically to the catalog is obviously incredibly important. So you're good with that, though?

I'm good. Here, this, I kind of knew that this would be the easiest part of the exercise, and now we're getting into where it gets dicey. For those that are keeping up at home, right now, what we're taking into the Royal Rumble, B-O-B, elevators, Rosa Parks, Miss Jackson, A.T. L.E.N. A.E.E.E.

Then we have Justin's pick, Spotioti-Dopalicious, and so fresh, so clean. Yeah, and so to make it even, we have to decide who gets Spodi-O-Di-O-Di on their list, because someone has to go to AppBat for it, and who gets so fresh, so-clear-clean on their list. And I think, given your hate for So Fresh So-Street clean, I think maybe I just need to take it, even though I like Spotti-O-D-More, but I'm going to be able to make a better case for So-Fresh. So final lists, into the Royal Rumble, Charles, you have B-O-B-B-L-E-E. Elevators, Rosa Parks, Spodioteote. I have Ms. Jackson, ATLians, Equam and So Fresh, So Clean.

All right. So now that our lists are finalized, it's time for the main event. The moment this entire season of Last Song Standing has been building towards. Rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble. All right, both Cole and I have chosen our team of four songs to go to war with. And now we start willing down our picks one by one until we both finally agree on the best outcast song of all time and crowned the last song standing. If we can't agree after five minutes, whether the song should be eliminated or not, we're bringing Justin to be an impartial judge to pick the winner.

Cole, you ready? Let's do it. All right. So I'm looking at your list. I'm looking at your list. Okay. What's the weak spot? Did we just talk about it?

We just talked about it. No, we just talked about it. You know what? I'm going to put a song from my list and a song from your list. Okay. Into the Coliseo. Okay.

And you're going to be surprised which one I pick. Rosa Parks, So Fresh, So Clean, two singles. Okay. How are we feeling? This is tough.

I feel like So Fresh So Clean has more like cultural ubiquity. Do you think more people know so fresh, so clean over Rosa Parks? Am I wrong in that?

I think you're 100% right on that. Okay. Wait, really? I think so. I'm looking this up on YouTube. I want to see which one has really.

All right. So Rosa Parks right now has 21 million views. This is a very weird way to do it. So Fresh Hill Clean is going to blow that out of the water. All right. So yes, it did. 58. Now, if I'm going, 58 million.

Okay. Now, if I'm going to make a case for which one of these is a better single, it might not be bigger, but Rosa Parks, first single of outcasts that really crosses over puts them on the map is kind of the reason that we're even having this conversation just in terms of like going from a good and solid southern rap group to some of the biggest pop stars on the planet has the history has the Rose Parks Estate coming after them

I think it's technically a way better song than so fresh so clean I think there's better rapping I think the production is better I think it is when we talk about the chemistry of the song, just as you just said was so fresh, so clean. Andre almost feels like a feature where it's like Big Boy and Andre on Rosa Parks. The alchemy of what we know as outcast is more apparent. It's more interesting musically, the breakdown, the harmonica. It's all, it does have all of the things.

It does. Now, I want to hear this from you, Cole. My biggest critique of Rosa Parks being in this is like, it's not the best that this and so fresh so clean are not even the best singles on this list. So how can it be the grace last long standing if even if we are having just a singles battle? I don't know if I'd pick either of these. Oh, man. I mean, you just made a really great case for Rosa Parks because it does going through the list of like what makes a representative outcast song.

Like it hits, it really does hit every single one. So Fresh So Clean does too in its own way. I would say the production, although great, and has the futuristic, soulful vibe to it, catchy hook, interpolation of a Joe Simon song. There's something, God, is it fair to say it's almost like one-dimensional compared to what Outcast does on a song like Rosa Parks?

Yes, because we were talking about on the Quimini episode where it's like, if you gave the beat to Rosa Parks, there's a reason total didn't take it. Right. Just like, who else can bring out, like, could do what needs to be done on that weird record. I feel like you could give the beat of so fresh, so clean to any other rapper. With the hook.

With that hook. And they could do something with it. It might not be as good as outcast version of it. Right. But I'm just like, if you gave any other rapper Rosa Parks, I'm like, they would ruin it. Yeah. Or just wouldn't know what to do with it. Yeah, they would just stumble.

And the harmon, like, really for me, it's the harmonica breakdown. because we talked about it last episode, but that shouldn't work. And it does. It does. And it does. And it's great. And it's like,

and it's commercially successful. So I'm trying to make a case for so fresh so clean, but you guys know my history with it. I gave my honest opinion about it on the first episode of the season and again here. So I just can't make the case because I do think Rosa Parks would win in this debate. All right. So if we're going to kick so fresh so clean, clean off. Let me

do this. We have on my list, we have B-O-B elevators Rosa Parks, Spodi-O-Di-O-Di. I think we need to either kick off Rosa Parks or Spodioti. We can't have two Aquamini-Songs on my list. Yeah, that's true.

Okay. Like who, because I can keep stumping for Rosa Parks. Spodioti, guys. God damn. Those horns. Those horns. That's like, that's its own, like, cultural, quotable. It's, it's, oh, yeah. It's like, even though it's musical, it's like, people, like, we know that those horns just as much as forever, ever, forever, forever, ever, you know.

What's the better song to y'all? It as a package, because if we're going just, what's the better beat? I think Spodiote is the better, more interesting beat to me. One thing that we didn't really get into in the Equamini and I episode is we talked a lot about elevators in the Aetalians episode being like nothing sounded like it at the time. that was kind of true of Rosa Parks too Now things at that point were opening up a little bit more You had You know Timbalin and the Neptunes

Kind of pushing the sound of commercial radio So I think we were a little more primed for it But like There wasn't a lot of things out I mean there's still nothing that sounds a lot like Rosa Parks But I don't want to like undersell What that was like in the context of that moment And that's still like a great production

And a great package Rosa Parks to me is still a top 10 outcat I love I think you know that I love Rosa parks. I do. Now, if you're talking about, if you put on Spodi-O-Di, just as a beat, it does, like, it literally transports every single time I hear. I'm like, this is one of the greatest things I've heard. I know. And it's so simple, too. But for all the reason we talked about last episode, the choices they made on that song are just fucking perfect and unpredictable. And it shouldn't work in theory. And it does. And it's a seven-minute and something song. Like, to me, if we're, if we're talking about the best representative,

I mean, God, because Rosa Parks does it too. But there's something about Spodiote, where I'm just like, it is so different than anything you've ever heard before or since. And it is commercially successful. People know that song and they shouldn't know that song. Again, it's a seven and a half minute song with the hook. It is essentially the horns and spoken word.

You know, it's just like, there's such a unique innovation to it that I'm just like, in this exercise, I'm kind of leaning towards Spodioti The reason why I feel like This is going to be my last main point on Spodioti The reason why I don't think it should trump Rosa Parks It does not fit into the category

Into one of the most important categories That you set forth for this Which is top tier rapid If here's it once again It's a technicality But if we're picking the greatest outcast song, two rappers

who are among the greatest rappers of all time. If there's no rapping on the song, it's spoken word, you can make the case, it's still poetry. I get that.

But if there's no rapping, how can it really, really go toe to toe to toe with some of these other songs? I mean, that's a great point. And it's hard

to make a case against that only to say that the production is so good and they produced it and they made those choices that maybe that helps ease some of that. just be like the production outweighs the lack of lyricism but cutting spodiotic this early feels so wrong but

and it's a technicality so i don't know justin what do you think it feels wrong but here's the thing i think we can have a better debate over whether rosa parks or equipment i if we're picking because we we still have another equipment i check this feels impossible He does be like Killing one of your kids I know Okay I'm not sure

That I would have Use my coach's challenge On Rosa Parks Though I was debating it If I needed to Like that was actually Like a tricky situation In the Equim and I recording

When you were deciding Between Chonky Fire Yeah And Rosa Parks Because I'm like If he goes Chonky Fire I might not be able to pick Spodioti Because I might need to pick

Rosa Parks I think That Rosa Parks should be the one that advances out of these two. Yeah. I'm just, I feel I don't feel good, but it's my initial reaction. I don't feel

good about it. It feels really bad. Because I really do want to just pick Spody. I know, I think it's the right choice. Because here's the thing, if we pick Spody Odie, it's just going to get knocked out in the next round. Like, that's the thing. It's going to get knocked out. And Rosa Parks, it's, it kind of tricks you because it is so commercially appealing. It is so

catchy. But that song's, you can put that up, I'm on looking at B-O-B and it's like, it kind of has all the same elements in terms of that fusion of the rapping, the cultural ubiquity, like it, it really makes a case in all the areas where Spodioti is going to fall short eventually. So, okay, let's do it. Officially, Spodioti is gone. This is a twist. I didn't think it was going to be that quick for Spodioti. All right. So next, I think, what we should do. We've been talking about Equimini. Only one A.T.L.

song is going to come. Okay. Okay. We should pay. It should be elevators first, A.T.L.ians. And honestly, can you, can I hear from your computer? Can we just play a little bit of each? Just put me in the...

I don't think it's going to be bad, too. All right. So let's hear A.T. aliens first. The single, the title cut. You know what I'm saying? Check it Well, it's the M.I. Cricket letter. Ain't no one better. And when I'm on the microphone,

you best to wear your sweater because I'm cooler than the polar bear's toe nails. Oh, hell. Go ahead. Oh, that shit. Bend. Corners like I was a curve. I struck a nerve.

And now you're about to see the southern play a serve. I heard it's not where you from, but where you pay rent. Then I heard it's not what you make, but how much you spend you make you. All right. All right. All right.

Now, now, let's hear a little bit of elevators. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. It's like orgasmic. The snare drum, dude. Oh my God. Talk about like transporting you somewhere instantly. All right.

This is impossible. Okay. What do you want? Okay, you're technically elevators is on your list. But this is I snaked it from you and we are about to flip-flop. Yo, it has to be AT aliens. It has to be. I love the elevators.

All right, man. It's just... Elevators is... I think... Well, it's... My cricket letter. Ain't one better. Cooler than a polar bear's toenails.

Oh, like, just the rapping on that shit, the groove, the hook. It's the same case. For me, elevators is the same case as Roads of Parks, because you give that beat to anyone else. They're not... Maybe they could do something with it, but they're not making that catchy of a hook. They're not making it their first single.

They're not letting it vibe as much as they do. They're not rapping that good over. a slow beat like that. Like, Elevators is impossible, and it's their first single off of that album, and they are adamant that was

going to be their first single. In retrospect, historically, that feels important that they're like, no, this song that no one thinks is going to work is going to work. We have a finger on a pulse of something that no one else does,

and it worked, and it really set the stage for them being, like, true innovators on a commercial level. So I don't know, man. Elevators, it's on your fucking live. list, but it is because, you know, it's a song that I love

really and I was always going to pick it. But, ATLians. Oh, it's so good. I'm going to be honest, yo. Like, it's got the quotable. It has the quotables. Once again, here's a thing. If we're going over what we had set forth, it has the quotables.

It sounds like the future, but it still has a little bit of that old hip-hop bounce to it. If you play this at a fucking in your car, at a house party, people are going up. People will love elevators too. You can say the same thing about So Fresh So Clean, by the way, but continue. Yeah, but ATL is just different. This is timeless. Like, here's the thing.

So Fresh, So Clean to me sounds dated. A.T. Lians does not. A.T.L.A.L.A.L.S. sounds timeless. True. Maybe. Let's compare the hooks. This might be a good exercise. Because we're getting so nitty-gritty now. Maybe AT aliens has some more catchy hook.

But let's look at the lyrical content. Now throw your hands in the air and wave them like you just don't care. You really want that to be. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't stop there. And you like that fishing grits and all that pips shit. Oh, by the way. So we asked our southern listeners if grits was actually an acronym for girls.

Or, yeah, girls raised in the South, multiple people came back and said, yes, that is a thing. By the way, just to clear that up. Okay, that's a great line. but then he goes and then he says, and let me hear you say, oh yeah, yeah. So, okay, it's a great catchy hook, but there's really not that much going on sematically. All right, for elevators,

let's go to elevators. You, your mama and your cousin too rolling down a strip on vows coming up slamming Kaladaiac daughter. It's like, come on. That's not the deepest chorus either. I know, but it is, there is something about elevators being this metaphor for them elevating out of the south, taking the south with them and having all these people,

not just Andre and Big Boy, but taking the whole community with them in their rise, in their elevator, up to the top. So I feel like there's just a little bit more substance in the elevator's chorus. You reaching. You reach him, bro.

They're all the same. They're basically the same. Dog, when Andre comes in on his verse, softly as if I play piano when the dog found a way to chat on my inga and after a little ball. God damn. What? What? Andre, Andre starting to unlock?

Hold on, okay, hold on, though. Similar conversation, because Andre's fourth verse on elevators is the one got stopped at the mall the other day. He heard a call the other way. And he tells that whole story, you know, I live by the beat, like you live check to check. If you don't move your feet, then I don't eat, so we like neck and neck. You forgot about that verse, didn't you? Fuck. That is one of his best.

This is all right, man. It's not even now that I'm like defending ATLians or even like trying to knock off elevators. Now, all right, let's have a larger conversation then. Which of these songs can go toe to toe with some of the Titans that we still have? B.O.B. Rosa Parks. Aquam and I, Miss Jackson. Which one has a better chance? My heart's with elevators only because it's sneakily innovative. You listen to it. It sounds simple.

you go back to that time, nothing's sounding like this. It's innovative in its own way where I feel like ATLN's is like comparable to Rosa Parks. It's kind of, it has that classic outcast chorus and the sing-along and the upbeat tempo.

And we're going to get that in B.O.B. We're going to get that in Miss Jackson. I feel like we need, and Rosa Parks if it survives, I feel like we need one of those classic outer space vibe. It needs to be represented. You know what?

I'm going to give you elevators because I do think that if we're even thinking about a lot of the songs we have, just their way to your point, a lot more uptempo, a lot more energetic. Elevators is the other side of what makes Outcast great, which is that introspection, which is the Spacey's slower beats. And then even if I'm like, if we had picked ATLians, I would be like, well, what's the better self-titled track? ATLians or Equeminine. I would pick Equimini. Equeminoi is immediately getting ATLians out of here. even if AT aliens is one of my favorite songs.

Justin, did we make the right choice? It's impossible. It's impossible again. It is impossible again. I think, yeah, it's, I abstain. I'm going to, I have to abstain from this one, because I don't need to because you guys have already made the decision. All right, yeah, okay.

All right, so, all right, let's do it. I think we have to. Let's get Rosa Parks out here. I don't even want to belabor the point. Rosa Parks is still on my list. Right now, Rosa Parks is not beating B-O-B or Miss Jackson. To me, it's not beating Aquam and I. Okay.

A fair, fair. Even elevators, I'm just, like, thematically, I just think elevators is a more interesting song than Rosa Parks. Like, I like Rosa Parks, but if we're, if it's not, it's, no, just no. It feels like Ms. Jackson is the best representation of Rosa Parks, AT-Lians type of cut, right? it's like the pinnacle of that that version of Outcast so I'm good with

God this is just so tough though but I think that's the right move because I was about to be like well let's have the conversation of like Bob versus Miss Jackson versus Rosa Parks and it's like Rosa Parks is easily the third in that list so right now on my list still we have BOB elevators on your list

we have Miss Jackson webinar my damn it so okay let me do you think we should go elevators Equimini, since they are kind of in that same sonic space. Yeah, because I only and I think I only want to bring one stankonia song

into the finals. And I think it's obvious that either BOP or Ms. Jackson is going to make the finals. So I think it should be Elevators versus Equimini. Now, even though Elevators is on my list, I'm going to stump for Equimini. Okay. Equimini has one of my favorite Andre versus of all time. We don't have to go down why it is we spent a lot of time on that yeah i think it is the pinnacle of rapping for both of them i think i like the beat on a quem and i more i think equem and i is just such a foundational outcast song and it hits every single it hits every single thing that we laid out of what we

want from a great outcast song and so does elevators but like it feels like a more refined version of the same thing right and i love the hook if you're If we're looking for lyrical content, I mentioned this before the last episode, but there's something about it's him and I, a quemini, symbolically in this exercise

that really resonates for me. And I just love, you know, we talked about stankonia kind of being the beginning at the end for Outcast, and these personalities becoming too large to kind of coalesce

in the same way. But this feels like a true fusion of the two personalities, It has the existential stuff and the chorus. And again, like we talked about a lot last episode, but that beat switch is one of my favorite moments in their entire catalog. And those last, those two verses back to back

on the second half are some of the best rapping from some of the best rappers we've ever had. I think as much as I love elevators, I think a quimonize the easier. I was gonna go to the mat. Even though it's on your list, I was just like, I think we need to bring a quem and I into the, like just the final.

Yeah. Now this, God damn. All right. B O'B or Miss Jackson, we can only take one of these into the final. O'Quem and I already,

that's one. Okay. Taking that into the last round. I, obviously more people know Ms. Jackson. I know. It's beloved.

Yeah. It's... Is that their most well-known song? I think it's either... I think, yeah. It's either... Jackson are at this point, hey, yeah, probably. Right.

Miss Jackson is just, it's a perfect, impeccable song. I think it shows their strengths as lyricists, storytellers. It has basically everything that, when we talk about Outcast, it's so funny how so many of their songs have a message, but we don't view them as a corny rap group anymore. And Miss Jackson is a very emotional song about two. two men talking to their baby mothers, their baby mother's mothers, all of that being said. Now,

I know BOB was also a single. Everything can't be measured. I know the hack is saying this. Everything can't be measured in streams or Billboard chart success or whatever. But BOB is one of the greatest songs in a little time. And if it doesn't go into the finals, I will literally never do this podcast again.

BLB, like, it's, BLB is better than Ms. Jackson. It is. Is it though? Let me just make more of a case for Miss Jackson. And let's make a case, do we want to try to make a case against B-O-B or do you want to save that for a little bit later?

Make the case for me about why Ms. Jackson is a more... Here's a thing. They're both perfect songs. Yeah. Can you make the case to me why Ms. Jackson is both a more interesting song and more important to Outcast? Well, more important to Outcast.

outcast, I think this is just makes, Miss Jackson makes them a household name. So I think we can't overlook that aspect. How just how truly big. I mean, hey, you made them a household name. All of these songs. No, that's after. No, my mom, my mom would know Miss Jackson.

She would not know Rosa Parks. Like, Miss, am I wrong on this, Justin? No, you're not wrong. So that- Miss Jackson was on another level. Yeah. Commercial success. Yes.

I mean, my dad wouldn't know that song. So we just have to state the cultural impact of the song. I think it shows both sides of Andre and Big Boy and the exercise in terms of same concept, same thesis for the song, both giving you two wildly different perspectives. So we get that kind of, that synergy, the contrast that we want.

It is a sneakily experimental song. It's got the cool reverse drums. It's got the slap bass. It's got the Easter egg or the bridal chorus that we talked about. So it's all, it's got quotables, multiple quotables. It's got the forever

ever, it's got, I am for real, the whole, I mean, the whole chorus is kind of a quotable. And even Big Boys, jealousy, infidelity, envy, cheating, beating, that whole thing, that's kind of a quotable. Andre's verse is like, fucking phenomenal. It's got the bridge breakdown, the rain in the background.

It's got the iconic video. Like, are we sure it's that easy of a pick over? All right, so, B.O.B, let me make the case really quick on why it's a better song to Ms. Jackson. Okay. Now, when both songs are playing, Miss Jackson, I love the feeling of just that warmth of these two men just going through life, figuring shit out, the melodies are incredible, Andre's singing is incredible, this is just the video is easily their most iconic video ever, I get all that. B-O-B is like a fucking punch to the face.

It is something that when we look at, and I think last song standing to me, historically, we like the songs and we go for the songs that we're like, this is a song that only this artist could make at this time. There's no other artists when Stanconia drops that year that could have made B-O-B. There's still not a rapper on this planet or rap. group to me that has gotten even close to capturing the electric feel.

The way Andre comes on that fucking record, the verse, the speed, the dexterity going moving in and out of pockets, even the iconic, here's the thing, BOPB is not as iconic a video as Ms. Jackson, but to me, Andre running down the purple feel with the kids chasing after him um from the the project homes were uh the bowen the bowen homes that to me is outcast is that psychedelic color we are we might have been born in the hood but our music is going to take not only us but atlanta in the south the outer space and if you ever are just like visually what explains that best it's the beginning of b o k that's i'm just like this is a part of this group.

This is everything that I want from them. God damn it. It's hard to make a case against that because I love Bob. I agree with you. It is one of the best songs ever written.

But so is Miss Jackson. So is just, it's like insane to talk about. Do you want it? Here's a thing. Here's the thing. BLB is making it to the final, I think.

It is. Yeah. Do you want to pit Ms. Jackson and guess Equipmane? Which one do you think is better? Personally, I would rather listen

to Equamina. So I think Miss Jackson is a better song. As a rap fan of Quimini does more for me. It really does. And it represents the first half of their career, which they have been, it was funny going back and seeing their, I watched their Grammy acceptance speech

for Speakerbox level below when they were on an album in the year. I don't know if you remember Andre's speech. He comes on second. Essentially the only thing he says after just saying the basic thank yous is stankone. He says stankone is not outcast's first project

go back and do your history. Yeah. That's how he leaves the speech and then shouts out Southern player by name, but essentially was saying, hey, we're more than Ms. Jackson, we're more than hey, yeah. And so for me, Equimini is maybe the best representation of the first half of Outclass career. I agree. Maybe part of the career that everyone in this room, recording this right now, prefers maybe over the second half. And so

I know Ms. Jackson has the cultural ubiquity. It has all that we just talked about. But if we're trying to maybe balance both sides of the coin that is outcast, I think a quem and I over Ms. Jackson into the finale against BOP

might actually be the better conversation. I think it would be the better conversation and I also just think that over the course of last song standing we've done three rappers. And I'm like, Miss Jackson, me even though that's, to me, that's the better song. To me, this isn't an exercise in the greatest pop song. This isn't an exercise in like, what does it say about this group? What does it

say about hip-hop? What does it say about the reasons that even dissect as a podcast, the importance of lyricism? Right. And how dynamic, you know, rappers and producers can be in pushing an art form forward. And I think a queb and I pushed the art form forward more than Ms. Jackson did. And I like that it's a representation of that album, which we talked to. about is obviously incredibly important. So I'm comfortable going Equamini versus Bob. Me too. Let's do it.

This is really hard. I didn't want to come this Jacksonville. I'm like, we can't have two staconia songs, bro. Yeah, but yeah, no. So let's do it. Should we start off by just getting a little bit of BOP in our ears and a little bit of Equinian. Let's play a little bit of both before we launch it to this.

Okay. God damn. Wait, actually, you know what? All right, you know what we should actually do? Let's not just play a little bit. Let's break this down. Can you play a little bit of Andre's verse from Bob and then play

Andre's best verse from Aquaman. Okay. One, two, three. Yeah, Inflop National, Underground, Thunderpouse when I stop the ground. Like a million elephants or silver, back around a tank. You can't stop a train.

Who wants us don't come unprepared. I'll leave there. But when I leave there, better be a hustle name. Brother man telling us it ain't going to rain. So now we're sitting in a drop top soaking wet In the silk suit trying not to sweat Hit some of sauce without the net

But this be the year that we won't forget One nine, nine, nine Forgivin for lip in the business Too hard to jump in jail Okay, damn And then, oh man, all right Now play Andre's best verse from requirement I let's just break

We're gonna keep going Until we figure this time Let's just hear this moment The name is big boy Daddy fat sacks The nigga that like them Cadax I stay down with these streets Cause these streets

Where my folks at better know that Some say we pro-black But we're professional You missed a lot of the chuts So the music is our confession Get off the testicles and the nut sacks You bust rhyme, we bus back Get back

For real niggas that's out here Trying to spit fast You ear that, you can't come near that Maybe you need to quit, quit Because of quimine's a quirious In a gem and I run a shit Like this My mind warps and bends

Slows the wind Count to 10 meet the twin Andre Ben Welcome to the Lion's den A red jet no skin Many men comprehend I extend myself So you go out and tell a friend

Oh, all right, all right. Which one's a better verse? Because I can't, no, I can't even. It's like almost two different groups or something. Like, it's so hard to compare them. They both give you, to me, they gave me the same feeling, but in a totally different way, if that makes sense. God damn, because the intro and B-O-B is just so iconic.

From the intro to the slow intro into the command. opening verse and just that beat exploding. And then again, like to your point about the video, I cannot listen to that opening line without imagining in my head, him running down the hill. But then we just- But here's the thing, because I'm glad we played big boys part because it's just like the old school, like,

rapper jumping in right after the other, like Big Boy sets Andre up perfectly. He's just, there's not one wasted bar. It is just so compact A punch in your face Damn I don't even know if I could tell you Which verse is better

Because to your point I feel like they're both 100 out of 100 I know Damn Alright so that didn't help at all That didn't I thought it would help I would be like I could say BLB but I'm like

Which one do you think is the better hook Oh that's a good question Okay in my preparation for this I was like let me try to make a case Against bombs over Baghdad And it comes down to me to the hook because in retrospect

does the hook actually work conceptually does the idea of bombs over Baghdad this thing that he heard randomly on TV like just the way

that it sounded and then he twists the concept kind of similar to like the Rosa Parks thing where it was like bombs over Baghdad he was talking about Operation Desert Fox

where the U.S. bombed I think it was Iraq but kind of did this half-ass version of bombing or something he's like oh, that's interesting. I'll make that about music

and that, you know, we're coming hard. We're being innovators. We're not doing anything half-ass. Bombs over Baghdad. If you're going to drop bombs, you better do it all the way 100%. But knowing where the song went, what it was used for in the Iraq War,

does that give it any kind of damage in this exercise where maybe you're taking a phrase out of context and it just maybe doesn't work? Counterpoint. some of Outcast's best hooks don't make any sense Like we were talking about Chonky Fire Like it's just like

They be like AT aliens What's an AT alien? What's a Qem and I? Like it's just they're putting shit together It sounds great So much of Outk's music to me Is I'm just like They're like yeah this is what that hook was about

And I'm like You guys are smoking a lot of fucking weeds That's sense Oh so you can't get mad at like Goodfellas When people take good fellows Out of context and think it's the hero's story And not about the downfall

Right Like you can't get mad at people for taking bombs out of Baghdad out of context and using it for the Iraq war. So thematically, I think Equim and I is the stronger hook. Yeah. The catchy, just in terms of like

which one do I want to repeat, which one just makes me want to run through the wall, it's bombs over Baghdad easily. And you have the gospel choir singing and you got the kids and it's, yeah. Speaking of like the gospel choir, everything production-wise,

which song do we prefer? Because both are, because the switch on the Quebenai is like, I probably would take that over the the Bombs Over Baghdad breakdown. Yeah? Even though I like the beat for Bombs Over Baghdad. Yeah, I think overall,

Bombs Over Baghdad's production is one of the most innovative, especially on a commercial level, just one of the most innovative productions that we'll ever hear across all genres, all the sounds that they're blending together, the tempo, everything that we talked about with the song, I think,

top to bottom, it's high. of immaculate. Because it's, again, one of those things that just kind of shouldn't work when you see it on paper. There's an electric guitar solo instead of a third verse. There's choir. There's DJ scratching. Just throwing everything into this pot where it should just kind of end up just diluting itself and kind of muddying out the flavor.

For some reason, it all works really, really, really well. And Aquamini, even though it has the live band element that I love, even though it has, has the atmosphere that I love where it does teleport you to somewhere else. Just on a technical level, I don't know if it carries the same weight as a BOP on the production front. Am I wrong there?

I don't think you're wrong. Yeah. But I think what we're also talking about is what do we favor this group for more because I think Aquam and I gives me a more nostalgic hip-hop feeling where to me it is, is not, like, we've been talking about when does, like, the different phases of Outcast Career,

but we're not even, we haven't talked so much about the different phases of hip hop. And like, when I listen to a Quem and I, I'm just like, oh, this was kind of like the last gasp of getting this type of beat, getting this type of production, this type of rapping, that I want to favor more. Well, B-O-B is, it is pointing to the future. A lot of rappers are going to take that moment and run with it. And I'll be honest, it's made a lot of interesting music, but it's also made a lot of bad music.

I've heard of five music. This is not as great as B-O-B. So it's... Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. If this... Just going back to just the initial premise or the thesis of this show, you give an alien this song.

You give them B-O-B or a Klemai. Which one do you feel like represents... the group more. In my heart of hearts, if I have to be honest, if you gave an alien B-O-B, I think that they would search years to get that same feeling. Where if I gave them a Quemini,

I think that there are other songs outcast songs in that mold, that they would be like, oh, I'm getting the same feeling for B-O-B. I think they're just like, they'd be searching. They're just like, I want another song that makes me feel like this.

And it just doesn't exist. In their catalog or in, anyone else's catalog. Can I, like, let's, let's play that game. Can you name me another rap song that does the same thing as Bob? Because I do think that like every, the great rappers tend to have that one song where it's just like, oh, you got to such a level. No other rap song.

Like, this is y'all. And if we're doing last song standing, B.O.B. to me is that where it's like, Aquamini, A. Quemini, A, Qemini might be better than A.T. aliens, but to me, they're doing a similar thing. Same thing with elevators. I put them all in a similar, like, if someone was just like, yo, fuck, y'all are idiots, fuck equipment.

I, elevators was the one. I'd be like, not hell yeah, man. You're like, sure. If they're like, elevators is better than BLB, I'm like, get a fuck out of here. Yeah, but a counter argument to that is like, okay, I get all that. But isn't that the case for BLB in that no one has reached that level since? And there's literally no one else who could have made that song. That's why I'm stumping for B-O-B.

Like, that's what I'm saying. It's just like Outcast made a bunch of other songs that thematically grade-wise are similar to Quemini. They never make another song like B-O-B. They never made a song like B-O-B. To me, the closest they kind of get is kind of Chonky Fire, but not even really. because Chunky Fire is not a hit. Yeah. B.OB was a hit?

Yeah, that's something. Was Equimini a single? It wasn't. I don't think it was. It was skewed on the Barbie, Rosa Parks, and storytelling. Storytelling. So that,

as much as like we don't want to, I don't want to make singles being like, you know, something that's really going to weigh heavy in this exercise, it does feel kind of important that BOP was somewhat of a hit, where Quemini is definitely

an album cut, which, for the heads that might appreciate that, but I do feel like the iconic video. And just like, we got to talk about the second half of the B-O-B song because I talked about this in episode one, but Andre and Big Boy leave the song halfway through the song.

And it carries out instrumentally with guest vocals and guitar solos. And it just develops in a way that you would just never predict. They never feel pressure to come back on the song, and they just really, like, what I like about BOP in this exercise is that we get the great rapping on a beat that really no one else could rap over as successfully. But then it kind of divulges into this totally different thing

and their production capabilities shine in the second half. Where we get the breakdown of the guitar, get the bob your head, whatever he says right there, repeating over and over. And then we get a brand new chord progression at the end of the song with the, power music electric revival refrain and that's where you get the scratching of the records the guitar the choir all coming together in this refrain that goes up for over a minute and it's just like

who would have most people even if they reach the level of the first half of bob production wise wouldn't think to take it somewhere else they keep adding verses and just it wouldn't have been yeah and i do think that that bob is a good example of even with Equamini, they're getting so weird on the second half, the last third of these songs, where it just feels like a jam band. It's like the harmonica on Rosa Parks

or the stomping or all of that shit and B.O.B. has that weird level of, instead of just adding more lyrics and more, we're gonna go to outer space and you just are gonna come along. I have to be honest, man. It feels like we're picking BOP. I didn't want to.

Going into this exercise, I'm like, I want to find the song that's going to beat B-O-B this morning. And I was like, it might be a Quim and I. Maybe I can make a case for Ms. Jackson.

Maybe elevators. But it's, it's B-O-B, man. Okay, do you want to hear this morning? I was coming in this conversation, totally open-minded that I could be swayed from it. And I definitely would say, when I started the season,

I was like, oh, it's definitely going to be a B-O-B. But I feel like, through the exercise, I'm like, no, there's actually songs that go toe to toe. And I'm actually glad we landed on Aquamini versus Bob because I think that does show both sides of their career. But here was, and this is just might be my own geeky shit, but there is something that I found in the chord progression that just put me over the edge in terms of solidifying Bob as the pick. So let me just quickly show you, there's two chord progressions in the song.

In the first half of the song, it's a descending progression the entire time. So here's the piano version, essentially, of the core progression of the first half of BOP. So let me just play that here. So it's all down. Do you feel that how it goes down and down? So conceptually, that works for me. If we're thinking about it on this level, I know what everyone does. But like, if you're talking about bombs over Baghdad, things dropping.

The descending core progression works for me conceptually. I know that's not intentional, but that's just how I think of things. What's really cool, though, in the last half of the song, and particularly how it relates to the video and the concept of outcast overall, of someone pushing the boundaries of music, being adamant about lifting their community up, putting them on the map, being innovative, riding the elevator to the top, this overall thing of ascension that they've talked about in interviews that we read throughout the season,

of taking people to a higher place and unifying them through music, So the chord progression at the end of the song is all ascending. So let me play that one. So notice how it goes up and up. Even higher. And so we hear this over and over, ascending as they're saying, power music, electric revival.

And if you remember in the video at this point, everyone's running, driving their cars fast, we don't know where they're going. And all these different people from the south go into a church. And so we have record scratching. We see the guitar player. We see the choir all congregating in this church, right? And then the final shot of the video, as we're hearing this ascending progression,

is a spaceship riding up to stankonia seven light years away. And you think about this quote that I thought about over and over throughout the season, Andre said, I remember reading about human beings and how if everybody is on the same page, humanity can go to another dimension. I was just trying to make the impossible out of music, make people rise in some kind of way, which I feel like is just kind of the thesis statement of Outcast. We have this ascending chord progression.

We have the video shot of the spaceship representing the first half of Outcast's career, ascending into this higher place, bringing the whole church, the whole congregation of the South with them. Symbolically, it just works for me. And when I found that little detail, I'm just like, it's fucking got to be.

The fifth dimension. They're trying to take us higher. I was just dissected, bro. I think... We found it? It's B.O. Me, man. It's BOMs over Baghdad. Justin, are you mad at us picking B.O.B?

It was always B.O.B. I was waiting. This is, to the listener, this is me sitting here for like eight hours, nine hours, ten hours, being like, when are they just going to fucking say B OB? I was literally like, I was trying for it not to be B OB. I was, this entire season, I'm like, we're going to find a song that this is just not going to be B-O-B. And I did get close. I literally was like, I think the more interesting choice for us to make would have been a Queminide, but I just don't,

it just, it doesn't have the last thing to get it there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, B-O-B-B-1, of the L-L, it literally has everything. Like, everything we would want from Outcast song, I think it's the perfect choice. But I like, I'd actually do like B-O-B-1, Equamini, II, Ms. Jackson. That feels like a top, a good top three. So what ended up being our top five? It was B-O-B, Equam and I, Miss Jackson, elevators, and then Rosa Parks. Not bad. How does that compare to the ringer verse, or the ringer list?

I haven't looked at that in a while. What was number one on? B-O-B. Okay. So netted out in the same place. And then Spoti-O-D-D-E was number two. Oh, interesting. Spody-O-D-D-W-D-W-T.

I was Swage in the final list. Number three was AT Aliens. Number four was Southern Player. Number five was Miss Jackson. Number six was International Players' Anthem. This is all right, man. What? International Players' Anthem at six?

Maybe it was too high. But Elevators number seven, Rosa Parks, number eight. International Players' Anthem over elevators is a crime. Rosa Parks, number eight, Art of Storytelling, Number Nine, number ten players' ball. So we're like in the same vicinity, except for so fresh, so clean at number 11. And then... Where's it Clemeni? Where's Equimini?

Equimini is 14. It should have been high. God damn. Equimini at 14 is not. Yeah. That's too... Whoa. Also,

saying so fresh, so clean is better than Equiponauties also. I mean, I probably had Logan Murdoch in my ear. This is making me mad. Well, yeah. Yes, this is what happens. You said that I'm a listmaker. My daddy was a listmaker. My dad's daddy was a listmaker.

And the thing you've learned, over the years, people are just going to get mad. This is also a list. I will say a list made by committee is the hardest list to make. Because it's just like the ringer contingent. Right. Is like everything from like 20 years old to people in their 40s or 50s.

So I get it. I will say that after this list, I learned to stop listening to the vote. It went from being a democracy to being a little more of, you can state your case, but I'm going to take a little bit more. Right. A little more.

control over this. Yeah. So. All right. Well, we ended up in the same place, though. I think I'm very happy

B.O.B survived throughout this whole thing. Was it the, was the very first that was picked? Probably. It was B O. Jackson.

Yeah, I think you picked Bob first in the first episode. It was always going to be Bob. It was always, it's such a good song. It's such a good song. We tried. We tried.

Yeah. It's fine. All right. So, before we get out of here and thank everybody who makes this podcast possible, let's spend two minutes.

Yeah. What artist should Last Talk Standing do next year? I haven't thought of any artists. I was just like, I'm going to come in clean. Because what I've also, what I like about the first three artists that we've picked, Kendrick, Frank, Outcast, great tight discographies. A lot of the greats have a lot of bullshit in the show. You know what I'm saying?

Just like a lot of bullshit. We would have to reformat the show a little bit for some of these artists if we're talking about a Jay-Z or an Eminem or something like that where the catalog is just humongous and it's like there's a lot of eye to Wilde's there I'm watching Charles's face too as you even said the word Eminem and I'm just watching his eyes get big because part of me was like fuck that part me was like Eminem hmm wait where would you stop in an Eminem season probably eight mile right no I think you no you have to go all the way through no no you have to go all the way through no no you have to go all the way through.

You have to get to like rap God. Hell no. Hell no. Are you all insane? Okay, how about this? What about a Kanye? Are we ready for a Kanye season or is that just totally out the window? All right.

I just listen to Vultures too. I refuse to listen to that album. I will say we, morally, I do not want to do a Kanye season. That's a tough one, but. But for the fun of, of it, I would love to do it Connie's easy. I feel like doing it, because we were thinking about it for season two and then a lot of stuff happened in the moment that we're just like, fuck that.

I feel like there's enough distance now. A lot of stuff is doing a lot of work. What did Trump just say about Kanye? He's like, Kanye, I love him. Complicated man. I'm like, if Trump is saying this about you, you know you fucked up. So I will say, you guys can yell at us. if you guys cancel us and yell at us and be like, fuck a Kanye season, we won't. But I'll just be like, I can be swayed. I'm on the fence where I'm like, there's enough distance.

And I'm, I mean, I've studied music long enough where I'm like, sometimes you just have to separate the artist from the art. And I would say we would probably format the season, we'd have to format the season where we're going to pretty much focus mostly on the first two thirds of his career. I would literally be like,

we're not doing. Stop with life of Pablo. And then the rest. Everything after that, we just kind of put into one episode. Donda might need its own episode. Donda. Donda does your album of the year that year. Oh, right.

But not for last song standing. I think we would need an episode for Donda, but we can definitely package a lot of the late stuff. Let's give, let's see if we can do four. We'll give four. Most people are going to vote for Kanye. Just because Kanye wins does not mean that's the next season. But right, Kanye is in contention. We've always talked about J. Cole.

We've always talked about J. Cole. Because we just think it would be funny, but neither of us. People might hate us because no one's going to stand for him. But I do think J-Kall has a lot of fans. So we'll put J-Cole in there. I wanted to talk to you guys. I feel like a woman artist. Yeah.

We've done three, like, even if we go outside of rap, R&B, pop, is there anybody? Fiona Apple? You know who I was going to say? I don't know if her discography is big enough now, but she is definitely popular enough. A Sizz of season. But she only has two albums.

No, she has more. Yeah, I guess she has the, I forgot what it's called. That would have to be a mini season. So not Siza. I mean, Frank only had, I guess he has more, but, yeah. Hmm. Justin, who are you thinking? We have Kanye, we have Jay Cole. Jay is an option.

We would have to really think about that. Jay's, because he's just, that's not me saying, I love Hove. That's just so many fucking. I know, that's crazy. You know, before. we settled on Frank Ocean, we were talking about the possibility of an odd future season. Oh, right. So, and I don't, I don't say that to necessarily, we should pull that back because we've already done Frank, so it becomes a little more complicated. But we could broaden it up a little bit and think like that. Like, what is, does it have to be a single artist or can it be like something either a collective or, you know, we're tackling a subgenre or we're tackling, which is like, guess complicated and you have to rethink it. But like, I'm just.

challenging you guys to kind of think a little bit broader. I do like an odd future season because you do. Okay. Well, I just said we can't do that, but you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's what we should do. No, no, no. I like, because we got some Tyler music. We got some Earl.

Earl. We got Internet. Domogenesis. All right. We would have to put some, like, the Haji beats. I mean, even a Tyler season would be incredible. All right. All right.

Oh, okay. If you're going to hate the whole time. I would have to listen to bass. a bastard, bro. Well, I don't like his early stuff either, so. You know what I'm saying? Bastard and Wolf would be tough. I think that Charles was just too there for-

I was just too. It's the same thing. You also said a Childish Gambino season, and I was just too there. But Tyler and Childish Gambino season are interesting to me. I think Tyler would be great. I was thinking Mac Miller, but I think it, yeah, I think that'd

be a little bit too, just with his legacy and him passing. I don't know if it could be. I'm not that big of a Miller fan even if his later music did get me yeah I think there's a lot of early music that I'm like right I don't want to besmirch right right right the deceased but we have so so far we have Kanye J Cole J Cole Jay Cole do you want to say Tyler or on future let's say a Tyler slash odd future we would figure it out yeah okay one more do we want to do something not like think about outside of rap is there a

pop rock R&B group that we're not thinking of yeah There's many pop rock We're not thinking. We can't think of any of them right now. I'm just thinking like Radiohead, but I don't know if you're the right person to do that. I can't get you with that. I love me some radio head.

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. All right, you know, if we got the three. Those three. I think those are a strong three. Or just make a case for someone else. Oh.

Well, let's do other. We'll do those three. Those three are an other. And another and then make a case for something. If you guys want like to stump for any of these, if you guys want a weekend season that might be very cursed what's the weekend song right now

what's the B.O.B of the weekend season song like he really wasn't going to beat the hills it was literally I was about to say the hills I was like it's the fucking hills all right you don't want to do a Drake season not the right time for it's not the right time that's another long season that's a long season and that discography

falls off a cliff very fucking fast. Here's the thing. You said it not me. I will put it to you this. Kanye and Drake are the big seasons. We will probably end up doing them once. Y'all would have to pick one.

Because I'm just like, you guys aren't getting the Drake season for a while if we do Kanye. You're just not. Yeah, that's true. Okay. All right. Kanye? Jay Cole. Jay Cole.

Tyler slash Odd Future and an other that we're not thinking of. Yeah. All right. Yo, take us out. Thank everybody who makes this possible, Cole. Thanks, Justin. All season, of course. Kevin Pooler for the great audio production,

but also making a case for So Fresh So Clean. We've got theme music by Briocratic as always. Thanks everyone for listening. Just a little update on the Dysect feed. I'll probably be going dark for a little bit unless some big albums come out and I'll do some special episodes. But for the most part, I'll be gearing up

for the next season of Dysect, which should be dropping maybe October-ish. So stay tuned for that. And follow at Dysect podcast on all the socials. Charles, you want to plug your social? No, not really. People are already really mad at me. So it's just like, hey, but guys, you know,

if you want to see my beautiful, beautiful face every single week, make sure you check out the Ringervorverse YouTube. Okay. Like, subscribe. Yeah, yo, thank you so much. Cole. This is my favorite part of the year. This was like, I think this was my favorite season so far.

Easily my favorite season. Like, because it was just like, I think for Kendrick and Frank, we were very close to that music. And Outcast was a time for me to be like, oh, I get to spend months. And honestly, it was like a year since the last one. I was like, yeah, let me turn on an Outcast. And it was, I want to, I think we should go and do a more modern artist probably for the next season.

But I do want to maybe follow this format of just like, you know, what are the type of artists that we can like go back to and really just spend a lot of time with? Yeah. All right. All right. We are back for the final cultural exchange of this year. Our favorite part of the podcast were Cole and I, uh, swan. swap some great cultural artifacts that meant a lot to us. Cole, I gave you the assignment of the strokes.

Is this it? You gave me the assignment of John Coltrane of Love Supreme. I will start. Not only did I love this album. Oh, shit, really? Yeah, no, I knew this album. Oh, really? It was one of those where I was just like, I can't tell, like, I guess it was probably

like my grandparents or whatever. It was one of those albums that I'm just like, I've listened to this before. Okay. It was, but it was like this morning I was like, I was just, just listening to it. I was like, this is, I got what you meant by, in terms of an album that's showing what jazz can be, pushing it to its limits. Yeah. I think a lot of jazz you give me sometimes is like experimental and all this stuff, but to me this was more so I was just like, oh, this is like just upper echelon, as experimental as it is, just like this is as good as it can

get. Why are you surprised that I like this album? Like, it was very nostalgic for me listening to this. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I mean, Maybe you're having a reference point for it helped because it is at, I mean, it starts out kind of easy, but it does to get, I would say, quote unquote, challenging where he's like really reaching those, when he tries to hit those high notes and he's like squeaking it,

it gets really like kind of aggressive at moments, but it's like you also feel them just like, just reaching the boundaries of his instrument. So I didn't know if that was going to be like off putting for you. So here's the thing. The funny thing is, is like you always give me like this music like this might be off putting and I always come back.

This is my shit. I feel like you're starting to learn. I do like there. I give more of a chance to challenging music than I give to just stuff that goes down, which sounds funny because like usually when we're doing last song standing, I go for the singles. But if I'm just in my whip, I'm just like, this is something where I'm just like, oh shit.

Yeah. This is just, it still sounds futuristic, but it reminded me of my grandparents. It reminded me of being a kid. There was just something about. the cultural osmosis where I was just like, oh, this is like a foundational record that I've just heard playing a bunch. Yeah, it's kind of like kind of blue in that way,

Miles Davis' most famous record where you just kind of hear it places. You might hear it at a coffee shop or like a bookstore or something. So I'm glad you liked it. So I listened to the strokes this morning. Is this it? Walking around downtown L.A.

Exactly where you need to listen to it. $10 pour over coffee. Just feel like a total... $10 pour over coffee? Where the fuck did you go, Cole? Went to Cognacenti, one of the best coffee places in the world. You are such a boosy little bitch. Got the geisha pour over.

I was a specialty coffee nerd before this was my career, actually. But, okay, so I feel like the setting was perfect. Because I put this thing on, I was like, fuck, this is good. I told me, let's go. Let's fucking go. It's like undeniably good. It did definitely give me some nostalgia, because As much as I try to reject the strokes in the moment,

just like I said last episode, I was kind of like on my pretentious, complicated music shit. The simplicity and the, just the melodies that he constructs over these things and like the tone, the distortion of his voice and like that kind of melancholy, I don't know, it's kind of sad,

but uplifting at the same time. I was this like, man, because you said it was one of your Desert Island records. Like, what? And then when I listened to it, it's like, oh, I get it. Because here's the thing, I didn't give this album to you. Like, this is not a Love Supreme.

Love Supreme is like about musicality where it's like strokes is this it if we're talking about me being basic. I do think like this is a rock record where I was just like, oh, this is just like a lean, no fat. You know what it is. It's almost a pop record at that point. And I think the reason like I love Julian Casablancus as a singer is I'm just like I tend to go for the singers that are not necessarily the most. most naturally gifted, but have an interesting tone to their voice, an interesting way of selling it. And he has that like fucking sleaze ball, meet me in the bathroom era.

I'm too good to hit these notes correctly type shit. So it's like, I did not give this to be like, this is the best rock album ever. I'm just like, no, I feel like it's pretty important for, for what it was in the moment. Like, this influenced so many bands afterwards. I mean, it's like monkeys. That's why you were just like, I was just like, yeah, when I was listening to the first Arctic monkeys, I was just like, you guys really love this job. No, for sure. So I'm glad we ended it on that because it was something I went into thinking like I might not like it as much.

Like, it might give me the same feeling the Arctic monkeys did, but I think it's better than that. And it was a good re-listen because I was familiar with it, but and the setting really helped. It was so L.A. walking around. Are we going to do a little, I have a question for you. do we want to have any off-season assignments or do you want to maybe think about next season if we want to do we want to keep doing music sharing or do you want to do something like

because you said the first time I came to L.A. at the beginning of the season I was wearing a Lawson Translation shirt. Yes. And you said that you had never seen that movie. And I was like dumbfounded because that was a foundational movie for me. So I was thinking.

We should do some movie swap. I don't even know like what movies really have your heart. Well, you have a Paul Thomas Am. Anderson film, There Will Be Blood. Can you guess what my favorite PTA movie is? One of my favorite movies is in my top five. All right, you're just asking that, it can't be the obvious boogie nights.

Phantom Thread. How did you know was Phantom? Because I know you. Wait, wait, what is that? I know, I know you. I just knew it was Phantom Threat. Wait, you're saying it was so much fucking disdain. I just, I'm not saying it.

No, no, I'm not saying it with disdain. I just, I just know, I know you. I wouldn't say it's his best. I think There Will Be Blood is better. But if you're asking my favorite movie, I would put on, like, yeah,

I just read, watch that like maybe three months ago. It's such a beautiful film. And the score, oh my God. Here's the thing, but there will be blood. I can only,

like, that's such an intense movie. I'm just like, it's not a movie. I can just throw up. Be like, yo, tonight we're watching.

There will be blood. There will be blood. It's fucking hilarious, though. No, it's funny, but there are moments where I'm like,

bruh, we should either do, all right, so we should either do a movie swap, or, you know his discography is too wow

but before I got after the strokes for all the shit I was part of my mixtape culture I kind of want to swap my favorite mixtapes with you

because you're not a big young thug fan no not a big future fan no megos I liked him like when they got to culture

but I don't really know much before them I might want to do an Atlanta Southern mixtape rap because here's a thing I wouldn't want to do an entire Lil Wayne season.

But I feel like there's a good little Wayne, even Lil Wayne season you could cobble together before he went off the deep end. So either we're going to do a movie swap. Next season I might do like these are the most important mixtapes to me. Have you ever listened to Rich Gang,

The Tour Part 1? No. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. See, you're talking about the era now that I was in the black hole for sure. All right. So either, either are.

All right. We'll be back. Hell yeah. Next year. It'll probably be. Kanye because we know we'll see y'all we'll see y'all later

hell yeah