Crowning OutKast's Best Song Ever | LAST SONG STANDING (Finale)
00:04Welcome everyone to Last Song Standing. I'm Cole Kushna.And I'm Charles Holmes. And in this third season of Last Song Standing, we've done it all.Cole and I have debated our way through Outcast's entire discography.We've exchanged cultural artifacts as wide and varies as at the drive-in and follow-up boy.But we're finally here. It's the season finale, Cole, where the two of us will finally crown the last song standing, aka the greatest outcast song of all time.And Cole, once again, we are back in studio.vibes are through the roof. How are you feeling? We finally made it here. Oh, I just don't know howwe're going to get through this episode. I've been looking at our lists ever since we recorded
00:45Equamini yesterday. I've been staring at these lists. I've been making playlist on Spotify,trying to whittle these things down. I have no idea what's going to happen today, but I'm justlooking forward to how we try to navigate this thing because our songs are just flawless.I don't have any strategy. You were nice enough to send us a playlist.of all of our nominations.I'm just like, yo, just play them.Just keep listening.And then I'm going to let my heart decide.
01:09Okay.All right.So quick refresher for the audience.These are the songs that are in contention for today.We'll start with Coles list.You have Ms. Jackson, ATLians, Southern Player, Roses,Life of the Party, ghetto music,Kryptonite, and Equipment Eye.
01:24I have B.O.B.Elevators, Players Ball, Hey, Ya.International Players Anthem.The Way You Move, Royal Flush, Rosa Parks.And Justin's coach's challenge is Spadiadi.How are we doing?I don't feel like we're missing that much, right?Are there any?
01:39I mean, we'll talk about the fan vote here in a little bit,but it doesn't feel like we left off.Is there any that you regret not picking?Yes, Chonky Fire.I went home and I was like, they incepted me.This is bullshit.I laughed so hard when I was thinking about that last night.You fucking turn into it.
01:57I'm such a hack.It's like, I'm such a hack.I can't help it.That's the only one where I was just like, fuck this whole podcast and show.All right, that out of the way.Let's map out how we're going to whittle these songs down to crown the greatest outcast song of all time.Okay, so to begin, Charles and I are going to be forced to cut down our list of picks from eight songs to three songsand a cutthroat rapid fire elimination.
02:25Those three songs that survive will be the ones that we're taking into the final Royal Rumble.And this is where me and Charles are going to go.go back and forth with more of extended conversation,trying to knock each other's songs off our lists.We'll repeat this process until we've crowned the last song's standing.And if you've listened to the previous episodes,you know that we gave listeners a chance to vote in an outcast songNicole and I didn't pick, and the votes are in.
02:50And after this quick break, we're going to announce the winner of the fan vote.We're going to go on a little bit of a detour before the fan votebecause I have to ask you a very important question.Okay.There is one album that we did not discuss,but we kind of been kicking the can down and down and down the curb.Yeah.Ida Wilde.
03:16We don't have to belabor this,but I was listening to Idol Wild today.Me too.I think it's okay that we skipped it.I don't feel bad skipping it.Here's why,because I actually did a little research,or I just like just physically counted.
03:31How many times Big Boy and Andre are on the same song on Ida Wild?Do you have an over,if I gave you over or under of five,would it be under or over five?Under.Under five.There's 25 tracks on this thing.Only four of those tracks,
03:45Andre and Big Boy appear together on.Yeah.So is this an outcast album?It's like kind of.It's also like a soundtrack.It's also a film.Like, isn't an outcast album?I guess technically it is.
03:57But I just don't feel like an outcast albumto me. I mean, I don't even, I'll be honest, if there's any Outcast fans out there who would be like,you guys sullied your entire podcast because you didn't cover Idol Wild and give it the artistic,like, reclamation that it deserves, I'm going to be like, fuck out of here. Like, even listeningto it today, I think the only two songs on it where I was just like, these kind of feel likespeakerbox love below outtakes, the ones that I was like, you could take these off and put that onthe album or Mighty O.and Morris Brown.
04:33Okay.Everything else, it's not that the songs are bad.They just feel like leftovers or songs that I'm just like, yeah, I could get how this would fit into the idle wild the movie.Yeah.But just listening to it, I'm like, what is this?It's very disjointed.It does feel like a soundtrack.There doesn't feel like a cohesive glue to it at all.
04:55I don't know.I mean, I had trouble just getting through it, to be honest, which is just weird to say about an outcast,project, but if I'm being truthful.It was a slog.Like, I was like, I don't want to listen to it.25 tracks, I mean, it's an hour and 18 minutes.I know a lot of them are interludes, but I don't know.It just, it's not the sunset that we would like to see for Outcast, but when this came out,
05:20I'll be honest, I was pissed.Like, when I, like, because I, that was at the point where I could steal the music,but sometimes I would just buy it.I was like, oh, yeah, a new Outcast album.Cool.And they're going to have a movie.I remember listening to this, be like, what the fuck is this?And then going to see the movie and being like,
05:36Alcaz is dead.He's dead.Okay, there is a point to that, though.Like, it does feel like they became such separate entities at this point that trying to,I mean, I'm glad they didn't go any further than Idle Wilde,because it does feel like it, they had a moment.They had a great stretch.And that chemistry, for whatever reason, kind of dissipated.
05:59And they went their separate ways.I think it's great.It's a testament to maybe their creative choiceto never go back and try to do the reunion albumas much pressure as they got as much money as they would make.Like, we're going to re-rank our outcast discographyhere in a moment.And it's just like, this is a close to as flawless
06:21of a discography, I think, as you can getwith a group this big.Would you take any, do any,are we doing a disservice the last long standingif we don't pick?any of these songs because I'm going to be honestwe could pick two songsoff this project and immediately
06:37later in this episodeI would kick them off. So it'd be likeit kind of defeats the purpose. Yeah, I don'tI feel no pressure to youknowing what songs they're up against. There's no way.All right. Sodo we want to talk about our albumrankings now? Yeah, let's go for it.
06:55So just to set it up, episodeof one in this season, wegave our rankings of the outcomediscography coming into the season.Now going through the exerciseof really diving deep into thiscatalog. We're going to re-rank tosee if our rankings have changed
07:10in any way. So do you want to gofirst? So not much about my rankinghas changed. It'sIdle Wilde. Speakerboxup below. SouthernPlaya, Stankonia, ATLians,Equamina. So Equamini is numberone because it was... It was A.T.L.L.
07:27It was number one after. And weonce again, this is recency bias.Equimini and ATLians switch all the time.Right now, as we do this podcast,Equimini is number one,ATLians is number two.Yeah, okay, so for me, one thing did change.So it's Idaho Wild at the bottom,
07:44Labelow speaker box.Stankonia now number four for me.Southern player number three,and then I'm right there with you.Right at this moment,I have Equimini 2,ATLians, number one,in my personal ranking.
07:59if I was trying to be more objectiveand not giving my personal favorite,I think you got to go to Klem and I won.I think for all the reasonswe talked about last episode,I feel like it is that sweet spot in the Venn diagram.I think it's more adventurous than ATLian.So as a critic, I think maybe that's what you put number one.
08:17But Southern Player has switched.I was about to do the same thing,but I was also like,the peaks on Stankonia are still so much larger.than Southern Player, even if Southern Play is a better album to me.That's the thing.Album-wise, from start to finish,I'd probably rather listen to Southern Player.
08:37If I'm just going for the peaks, of course, Stankonia.Like, of course.But these are all, like, the top four,it's like just hairs of a difference, you know?There's not, like, easily could put,we can, we can, it could flip around a lot,which is like, obviously a testament to their discography.I'll have to ask you this.
08:55How many albums of theirs are classics, do you think?Three.Being Equamini.Equamini, ATLE, and Stanconia.People are going to get very mad that I don't say Southern player.It's right on the cusp.What do you think, Justin?What's a classic?
09:14I know.Let's not get too complicated with it, but...Here's the thing.I think there's...Just for my classics, like, what I think of as a classic,I'm like, if you're a fan of, like, rapand hip hopSouthern Play easily
09:31is like within itI think if you're just talkingabout like a classic albumthat enough people knowif you put it onit is something thatis just undeniableit changes the fabric of music
09:44like I don't necessarily knowif like Southern Playerit like changed the fabric of musiccan I say is itis it impossible for meto say Stankoniamight be a classicand Southern player
09:56might beon the cusp of being a classic, but not quite on that level, even if I prefer a SouthernPlayer personally.Yes, here's the thing, I agree.Like, if we were talking, if you're like a rap classic, I think Southern Player absolutely is.Yeah.If we're just talking about, like, just classics in general, what are the 500 greatest albumsof all time?
10:17I think it's easier for me to call Stankonia a classic just because I'm like, there'sbefore and after.Yeah, you can, Stankonia, you're not going to bat an eye if it pops up on, like, the RollingStone Best 500 album.list. I personally wouldn't bat an eyeon Southern Playa, but I'm alsonot confused if it gets left offthat list. Whereas St.onia, I'm being like,
10:36well, you kind of probably should have put it on there.This is all like complicatedand kind of stupid.Is there a case to be made for SpeakerboxLove Below? No. Given thesales, given the impact of Hayah,and no.Because it's, you
10:54can't have an album that longto me, because it's a doublealbum. This is one projecteven though it's split to two. You can't have that manytracks on an albumand that many are just notgreat or just sketchesor don't even, if we're
11:09being honest,that's just barely an outcast album.So it's already not, it's like an, it's oneof those, it's like a bubble chip to me. Right, right.Okay, that's fair. I need to ask youthen, how many classes do you think they have?I would say four. Again,to Justin's point, it's hard to talk about
11:25definitively, but there's a case to be madefour out of their six projects, which is fucking crazy.But I also think it's that thing of I get a little bit itchy when we talk about likeKanye's or Kendricks or whatever where it's like you could make a case that theseartists have four or five classes. I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.Like, let's keep it to a neat and tidy three.I'm always like, let's keep it to a neat and tidy three. Let's not just be calling anything aclassic. All right. That's fair. Now, before we get to the fan vote, Cole.
11:57any major takeaways after doing this.Because I feel like my relationshipto all these artiststend to change after we do this exercisebecause it is,it's like a not only what is your favorite,but it's like, all right,taking my emotions out of it,
12:15what are the songs that define these artistseven if it's not necessarilywhat I want the song to be,if that makes sense.I think, yeah,I think the biggest thing for me,and this was apparent very early onin the exercise was like how much I miss collaboration in music where it's like since the kind of
12:34advent of laptops and technology becoming you know digital music programs becoming more accessibleto more people there's a lot of solo artists there's a lot of collaboration but through emailand like there's something about two guys or even the dungeon family more broadly coming togetherphysically in the same place creating a new sexand building and doing something they couldn't do individually together.And so I think that was something that I just,I kind of just missed.There was like a band element to Outcast, you know?
13:09And you just don't get that much these days in hip hop,but even in rock music.So that was one thing.And then the other thing was just like,I guess I didn't realize it in the moment,but like looking back kind of historically,just how groundbreaking they really truly wereand how much of them, especially on those first three albums,
13:30were them very forcefully carving a new lane sonically.That being such an event,them having to have that kind of stubborn attitude to surviveand to push forward.I don't know, I just really admired that looking back.Like, wow, these guys really did a lot for the genreand for music more broadly.I'm just super impressed by that.
13:49Yeah, to your point,I think sometimes we tend to take artists like outcast for grantedwhere it's like, well, yeah, Andre was weird,but Andre seems less weird in a world where future young thug,all these other, Atlanta is the mecca now of hip hop,like Migos and we've had so many generations of ATL artistsfrom Gucci Man to T.I.Where sometimes when you go back to the music
14:16and you're not really plugged in, you're just like,oh, yeah, this outcasts, but then doing your research and everything,you're like, oh shit, this was, yeah,they just,just were that weird and out there for that time.And then weirdly, I was watching the Lox's tiny desk performance.And I was kind of getting a little misty-eyed because while they were performing, it was like, oh, you rarely see hip hop groups at this point who, A, stay together that long, but B, enjoy each other's company.and you can tell that these were men that were in the same studio like you were bringing up
14:55and making this art together and memorizing these verses.And they looked happy and you're like,Jada, a cheek and styles.I was like, oh, I miss that level of collaboration because we don't get a lot of hip-hop groups anymore.And listening to Outcast, I bring up the locks because that's how going back to their discography made me feel,where you're just like, you can tell that there was a love.Even as they split, even amidst the arguments,even the push and pull of how street, how hood should we be,
15:25how out there and spacey we should be.I'm like, oh, not only did it make the art great,but I'm like, that's two men.And honestly, with the dungeon family and organizing,I'm like, this is a whole crew that had to believe in each otherto make this work, you know?Yeah. So it's, honestly, this is one of my favorite seasons.But now it's time to reveal the results.
15:47our fan vote.We gave y'all the chanceto put it all on the lineand get your favoriteoutcast song and contention.Cole, why don't you revealthe results of this vote?Pretty predictable.
15:58It was so fresh, so cleanby a landslide.What?By a landslide.Two dope boys got some love.What else got some love?Ain't no thing got some love.But it was so fresh, so clean by a landslide.
16:13All right.Adult contemporary act.Like, how much of a landslide?Like, over 50% of the total vote.50%?Not even a plurality?No.Like, it was a majority.
16:27Yeah.Oh, yeah.It's disgusting.It's an iconic song.Okay.We're talking about, let's not like talk about it like it's a terrible song.It's not, but, all right, motherfuckers need to take off their ancient polo and their khaki pants and just, it's fine.This is, no.
16:43Should we bring in our special guest to make a.case for so fresh, so clean.They will get yelled at, but yes.All right, so we're going to bring in our residentaudio engineer who's been with us for all theseasons of last song standing, also the audioengineer for Dissect, Kevin Pooler.Kev, Kev, Kev. Kevin's coming on to make a case.
17:02He's going to be the proxy for the fan vote becausethis is the song he wanted to make a case for.So Kevin, what you got?Hey, what's up, guys?I'm here to be the voice of the people, y'all.Okay?So I'm sorry, Charles, but we got to go with sofresh, so clean. It's a real vibe
17:18even two decades later, don't you think?When you put it on, you get that good feeling.How old are you, Kev? I'm 41.Exactly.Exactly. This is literally music for you.Even nowadays, the production qualityis immaculate. Yes, I agreethere. The mix is crisp, clean,
17:36just like the lyrics. And thaticonic cook, everybody knows it.You wake up, you know, you get ready. You get in the shower.Come out. Look good.You're feeling fresh and clean.That's what you're listening to get.Whoa.You're waking up and literally like before I get squeaky clean in this shower, I'm throwing on this cold fresh.
17:54I also got to say it has that genre of blurring effect.It's funky.It's got pop.It's got some R&B beats in it.If you listen carefully, there's some really cool background layers.I'd argue it became the modern blueprint for hip hop combined.What do you have to say about that?I'm not
18:14I'm being an assholelike shout outso fresh so clean isit is a bangerit's justit's not what you like to seesee I would think you would like this songlike I can see this on your list
18:27easilywhat?YeahI'm not that basicyou have the way you moveI would put so fresh so clean overthe way you moveeasily I mean yes
18:36but also two totally different albumskind ofso fresh and cleancould be on speakerbox easilyit couldI do like it better than the way you move.It's just, I don't...For the fans to put all of their power in weight,
18:51I do think that the fans should believe in themselves more.Why aren't they picking Chonky Fire?Exactly.Why didn't you pick Chonky Fire?Well, that's a complication.We don't need to relitigate this.All right, it's so fresh, so clean.Thank you, Kev.
19:09You did a wonderful job.I'm being an asshole.Yeah, so to keep our individualist even going into the Royal Rumble,one of us has to add Justin's Coaches Challenge.Well, yeah, but before we do the Coaches Challenge,we'll get to that in a second.My Coaches Challenge was Spoti-O-Dohelicious.We'll get to that in a minute.
19:26But we have one more person that couldn't be here,friend of the show, Logan Murdoch.I'm so scared.He, you know, he really wanted to be involved in some way in this season.Big Outcast fan.we're always talking to him about music.He sent along a few recordings.Okay?
19:48I'd sent him the lists.I said, just give me your feedback.What would you have done?And this is what he sent back.What's good, everybody?This is Logan Murdoch, tired, bewildered, extremely disappointed vice president of the Dysex Street team.And usually I would take this opportunity to talk about how honored I am.to be able to hear my voice on such an esteemed program and feed like dissect how I've
20:18been listening to this program since it was on Patreon only, how Cole Kushna, his softsensory voice has gotten me through a lot of Bart rides throughout the area.But this is great.I'm so overcome with disappointment with the list that Sales has sent me of the picksthat you guys have.Let's just go through right now.I'm going to start with Charles here.His list looks like the playlist that they put on the target, right?
20:50A lot of skews.Fuck out of you.A lot of barcodes.A lot of those things that you have to put on CDs so it doesn't go through securitywhere it beeps.One of those things, right?Let's just read this thing through right here.We got B.O.B.
21:04from Stankonia.We got elevators from 80 aliens.We got Players Ball from Southern Playalistic.We have the love below.Hey, yeah.We have, okay, this is where I stop right now.I'll just, I'll stop real quick.Because we have speaker box below.
21:20I like the way you move and then royal flesh.But the thing that pisses me off, and this is the most Charles thing ever,is international players anthem being his favorite feature of Andre 3,000.That is the most hilarious thing ever.But it's also the most appropriate thing ever if you know Charles as one of your best friends like I do.Okay?This is one of the funniest things that I have ever seenbecause of course Charles will pick the most MTV ass single for Audrey
21:513,000 as a feature.That is hilarious.That is amazing.Hey, Charles, I have a question for you.Have you ever heard of What a Job by Devin the Dude featuring Andre 3000?Have you ever heard of everybody, Fonsworth Bentley featuring Andre 3000?Have you heard of, I don't know, green light?anything better than this.
22:13I don't think you have heard it because I think this is the first and onlyAudrey 2000 feature you have heard front to back.I think that's why you put it.I think this is just,it was just so lazy.And you did it because what do you want to do, Charles?You want to be,this is not a billboard thing.
22:28This is not,I've only allowed it two minutes and I've already gone through that.Anyway, let's go down the pick.We have royal flush, which, I mean, have you ever heard of black ice?Charles?No, you haven't?It's okay.All right.
22:38It's whatever.Cole, you know, I love you. You're the homie and all these things, but she's...And either one of you put so fresh, so clean. This is not what we were doing here. This is not what we were doing. We didn't want to put so fresh so clean. You just put Ms. Jackson and B.O.B from Stankonia. Jeez, what a disgrace. Sales. This is the Mickey Mouse operation you're running here. I'm so disappointed in everyone in this thing, okay? But I will say this, Charles. I will say this. I know you're a Drake friend. I know you're OVO Chuck. So I have something to.say. Cole got you washed down.Sales got you washed down.Lolo got you washed down. It's terrible.This is ridiculous.Maybe next time
23:19you guys are having me on the show so we can have a properlist because this is ridiculous.Oh my goodness.Last song, standing. Love you guys.Talk to you soon. Bye.Can I defendmy honor now? Yes. Let's hear it.All right. First of all, I love Logan.
23:36Logan isa champ. One of mygreatest friends.Fuck out of here.He said green light.Like once he said green,I was like,shut this shit off,
23:44bro.All right.I,I,guys,this is called last song standing.This is not calleddeep cut standing.
23:52This isn't calledwhat I fucking listen toas a fucking kidsong standing.This is called lastfucking song standing.Get the fuck out of here,okay?
24:00Is International PlayersAnthem my favoriteOnsroy 3000 feature?No,I said it on the show,okay?I'm just like,Justin, you are a maker of list.
24:13Sometimes when we're making lists,motherfuckers have to realize, bro, people gotta listen to this shit.People gotta consume this shit.I'm just not making no backpacker-ass fucking shit, okay?I got a job to do.I got to entertain these motherfuckers.Like, God damn.I'm really upset.
24:28Logan really got me fucking fired up.Do you have anything to say?He was coming at you too, Cole?Kind of, but he gave me some love in the beginning,so I'm good with this.This is great.He was like, you guys pick B-O-B and Ms. Jackson.Oh, that's crazy.
24:41That's crazy.What are we doing here?Really?So, fresh, so clean.Get the fuck.Like, guys, I love y'all.The fans, Logan, Keb, I love everyone.But can we please be serious for one second?
24:56All right.No, Logan, Logan went over his time.And the only reason that it was allowed is because he's my boy,but I'm very, very hurt by this betrayal.All right.It's almost time to begin the Royal Rumble, but before we start cutting down our list,I have a few questions for you, Cole.What is the criteria for us picking any artist's greatest song ever, aka the last song
25:19standing?Because as we've seen with Logan's long and ignorant diatriatrile.How do you say that?Diet tribe.Diatribe.I got it the first time.Some people are confused about what it is we're trying to do here.So can you explain to them?
25:33Yeah.I mean, the short of it is if an alien were to come down on.to earth what's the one song that you would show them that represents who outcast is i think that's a shortshort way to say it for me i did write down some bullet points just to help me when i was going throughthe list of just like okay what is the bet what should be represented in an outcast song so i've gotgot four things with a fifth bonus so top tier rapping that's a given right yeah to the greatestemcees we've known it's got to have i think it's got to have some of that top tier rapping innovativeproduction, particularly for its time.
26:10Like, we talked about all season and just a moment ago, these guys were pushing theenvelope their entire career.I think it has to show some element of that.This is something I didn't really think about until we were really scrutinizing thesongs and some of them fell flat under scrutiny, but the song, the concept of the songhas to hold up.Yeah.Where, you know, you didn't pick Jezebel from ATLians because conceptually didn't hold up.
26:35We've had a couple of those conversations.Even like to artist storytelling, we were all like, we love this song.But it's like, oh, if once you start reading malaria, everything, you're just like, hey, does this fit the criteria?In this exercise where we're trying to like really whittle things down.So, and then lastly, for me, it's important that the song shows some of the contrast between Andre and Big Boy and the chemistry, what makes them special together.And then the bonus for me was it has a cultural quotable, which, you know, for you know,forever, ever.They have, you know, shake it like a
27:09Polaroid picture.They got a bunch of these quotables.So if it has that, that's a bonus,but not a necessity for me.Does anything on this list that I missed?No, I think for me,it's everything you just said,but I also think that there is that quality
27:23of duality is so important to Outcast.So it simultaneously has to sound futuristic,but soulful.It has to be both representativeof what the South was at that time,but also pointing forward.to what they want it the South to be.It has to have both that kind of high and low quality to it.
27:43And I think as we're going to get through it,I think one of the important things that you and I probably agree onis both of these rappers, in my opinion,not only have to be on the song,but they both have to show what not only makes them,and this is part of chemistry,what makes them both amazing artists as individuals,but what they bring together to make the whole greater than the parts.
28:06Yeah, perfect.I think we're on the same page then.Are we ready to get into the preliminaries then?Yeah, let's do it.All right, so Cole, we're cutting down our list of picks from eight songs each to three songs.All right?These are three songs that we're taking into the Royal Rumble.The only songs that are off limits in the segment are the fan vote, so fresh so clean,
28:24and Justin's coach's challenge, Spotioti, dopolicious, since those two were guaranteed spots in the Royal Rumble.All right.How do we want to do this?How do we want to start?All right.Let's take the features off right away, right?We're not making, let's not belaborate.That's an obvious elimination.
28:41So for you, we're going Royal Flushes off,international players anthem off right off the bat.These are easy cuts for me.All right, so I'm cutting,I'm instantly cutting the life of the partyand kryptonite off your list.Agreed.So now this is,
28:57this is where,and people are going to get mad at me,I think we have to have the speaker box level low conversation now.Yeah.I don't even think it's a big conversation.Can the best outcast song only feature one of the members?Even if Hayah is, in terms of just like commercial success,probably among one of the biggest songs,
29:19I can't, in good conscience, I can't say that Heya is one of the,and I know you can, that's up to you.We're kicking off each other's list, but like I'm looking at my list.I'm like, I love Hayah.There's just no way.No, yeah, there's, yeah, just the technicality of a little.don't know if hey y'all even if big boy was on it is really representative i get all thecultural stuff i get that was a huge song it is a classic song is it the best representation of
29:45outcast career though i don't know same same thing with roses because big boy is on roses we wentlike i love roses i have a affinity it is when i brought up one of those songs that you listen toas a kid that you have like a nostalgic feeling for right fuck no is roses is that going to be thesong that is indicative of what makesOutcast great. Like, it's a greatlater stage song.Yeah. When maybe they weregetting to a point that, like, the project
30:13was over, I can't pickroses. And I would say even ghetto music.I love ghetto music. That'sthe one that has, I feel like it doeshave a case, though. No?Well, all right. So, before I kickghetto music off your list, right? Yeah, I'mlooking at yours, speaker box, the way you move.
30:30That's an easy elimination.I'm not even going to argue that. Butlet's take that one.off. The reason why I'd say ghetto music isn't easy off, even though in doing this, I've come tolove that song way more than I initially did. Ghetto music in no way is better than Miss Jackson,ATLE, and Southern Playa, Oric Webinar. In no way. True. I have no argument there, actually.Yeah, you know what I'm like? It's just like, if we're talking about the big, but we can only...But that's the one that you could have a conversation about. I don't think it's worth to have the
31:02conversation to drag it out, but it is, that one does feel like a true outcast.It's no, it's a true outcast song.It is probably top three, top five off that entire project.But I think we're really going to run into right now is we both have four picks.Right now still on our board.B.O.B. Elevators, Players ball, Rosa Parks, then Miss Jackson, ATLE, and Southern Play,Equam and I. We're only bringing three each.This is where it gets rude.
31:31This is where...All right, so let's see.Off your list.So my list is Miss Jackson, A.T.L.E.N.'s Southern player and Equamini.I'm going to be honest.Guess how they play out of here.The saxophone?Yes.
31:49All right, so here's my...You're going to cut the saxophone solo on their first record?Here's my thing.Love Southern player.But if we are talking about the pinnacle of what outcasts,came the pinnacle of their artistry, their rapping, their alchemy, what their place.Here's a thing.With Southern Playa, that's the start of it all, obviously.
32:13But that record is almost an anomaly because it, they almost, not almost, they did shedmost of the aesthetic qualities of the playa from the South and all that shit.They didn't bring much of that into the other music.Big Boy more so than Andre, but even Big Boy gets way weirder.They're not on that dope dealer shit for much longer.So it's like, I do think Southern Play a guy, like it's a classic guys.I love it.But it's not Ms. Jackson, ATL, E.L.E, Inz or Equipan, it's just not.
32:48I think that's fair.I'm going to actually use the same argument against your Sunday player.Players ball.Players, I mean, it's in the, I just made this.Yeah.It's in the title.Like players ball.I mean, it's a classic song.
33:01Like we love that song, but in this exercise, can it hold its weight against Elevators, B-O-B, Rosa Parks?I'd rather make a case for elevators.Even Rosa Parks, I think you could make a better case for showcasing more of the musicality.I mean, it sucks that Players Ball gets eliminated this early, but I think for all the reasons that you just said, big picture-wise, I think it's got to be Players' Ball as much as that really is painful to do.because, man, that's a special song.And historically to the catalogis obviously incredibly important.So you're good with that, though?
33:37I'm good.Here, this, I kind of knew that this would be the easiest part of the exercise,and now we're getting into where it gets dicey.For those that are keeping up at home,right now, what we're taking into the Royal Rumble,B-O-B, elevators, Rosa Parks, Miss Jackson,A.T. L.E.N.A.E.E.E.
33:59Then we have Justin's pick, Spotioti-Dopalicious, and so fresh, so clean.Yeah, and so to make it even, we have to decide who gets Spodi-O-Di-O-Di on their list, becausesomeone has to go to AppBat for it, and who gets so fresh, so-clear-clean on their list.And I think, given your hate for So Fresh So-Street clean, I think maybe I just need to take it,even though I like Spotti-O-D-More, but I'm going to be able to make a better case for So-Fresh.So final lists, into the Royal Rumble, Charles, you have B-O-B-B-L-E-E.Elevators, Rosa Parks, Spodioteote.I have Ms. Jackson, ATLians, Equam and So Fresh, So Clean.
34:36All right. So now that our lists are finalized, it's time for the main event.The moment this entire season of Last Song Standing has been building towards.Rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble.All right, both Cole and I have chosen our team of four songs to go to war with.And now we start willing down our picks one by one until we both finally agree on the bestoutcast song of all time and crowned the last song standing.If we can't agree after five minutes, whether the song should be eliminated or not,we're bringing Justin to be an impartial judge to pick the winner.
35:15Cole, you ready?Let's do it.All right.So I'm looking at your list.I'm looking at your list.Okay.What's the weak spot?Did we just talk about it?
35:28We just talked about it.No, we just talked about it.You know what?I'm going to put a song from my list and a songfrom your list.Okay.Into the Coliseo.Okay.
35:40And you're going to be surprisedwhich one I pick.Rosa Parks,So Fresh, So Clean,two singles.Okay.How are we feeling?This is tough.
35:54I feel likeSo Fresh So Cleanhas morelike cultural ubiquity.Do you think more peopleknow so fresh,so clean over Rosa Parks?Am I wrong in that?
36:04I think you're 100%right on that.Okay.Wait, really?I think so.I'm looking this up on YouTube.I want to seewhich one has really.
36:12All right.So Rosa Parks right now has 21 million views.This is a very weird way to do it.So Fresh Hill Clean is going to blow that out of the water.All right.So yes, it did.58.Now, if I'm going, 58 million.
36:26Okay.Now, if I'm going to make a case for which one of these is a better single,it might not be bigger, but Rosa Parks,first single of outcasts that really crosses over puts them on the mapis kind of the reason that we're even having this conversationjust in terms of like going from a good and solidsouthern rap group to some of the biggest pop stars on the planethas the history has the Rose Parks Estate coming after them
37:00I think it's technically a way better song than so fresh so cleanI think there's better rapping I think the production is betterI think it is when we talk about the chemistry of the song,just as you just said was so fresh, so clean.Andre almost feels like a feature where it's like Big Boy and Andre on Rosa Parks.The alchemy of what we know as outcast is more apparent.It's more interesting musically, the breakdown, the harmonica.It's all, it does have all of the things.
37:28It does.Now, I want to hear this from you, Cole.My biggest critique of Rosa Parks being in this is like,it's not the best that this and so fresh so clean are not even the best singles on this list.So how can it be the grace last long standing if even if we are having just a singles battle?I don't know if I'd pick either of these.Oh, man.I mean, you just made a really great case for Rosa Parks because it does going through the list of like what makes a representative outcast song.
38:00Like it hits, it really does hit every single one.So Fresh So Clean does too in its own way.I would say the production, although great,and has the futuristic, soulful vibe to it,catchy hook, interpolation of a Joe Simon song.There's something, God, is it fair to sayit's almost like one-dimensional compared to what Outcast doeson a song like Rosa Parks?
38:26Yes, because we were talking about on the Quimini episodewhere it's like, if you gave the beat to Rosa Parks,there's a reason total didn't take it.Right.Just like, who else can bring out, like, could do what needs to be done on that weirdrecord.I feel like you could give the beat of so fresh, so clean to any other rapper.With the hook.
38:47With that hook.And they could do something with it.It might not be as good as outcast version of it.Right.But I'm just like, if you gave any other rapper Rosa Parks, I'm like, they would ruin it.Yeah.Or just wouldn't know what to do with it.Yeah, they would just stumble.
39:01And the harmon, like, really for me, it's the harmonica breakdown.because we talked about it last episode,but that shouldn't work.And it does.It does.And it does.And it's great.And it's like,
39:13and it's commercially successful.So I'm trying to make a case for so fresh so clean,but you guys know my history with it.I gave my honest opinion about it on the first episode of the season and again here.So I just can't make the case because I do think Rosa Parks would win in this debate.All right.So if we're going to kick so fresh so clean,clean off. Let me
39:36do this. We haveon my list, we have B-O-B elevatorsRosa Parks, Spodi-O-Di-O-Di.I think we need to eitherkick off Rosa Parksor Spodioti. We can't have twoAquamini-Songs on my list.Yeah, that's true.
39:52Okay. Like who, because Ican keep stumping for Rosa Parks.Spodioti, guys.God damn. Those horns.Those horns.That's like, that's its own, like, cultural, quotable.It's, it's, oh, yeah.It's like, even though it's musical, it's like, people, like, we know that those horns just as much as forever, ever, forever, forever, ever, you know.
40:14What's the better song to y'all?It as a package, because if we're going just, what's the better beat?I think Spodiote is the better, more interesting beat to me.One thing that we didn't really get into in the Equamini and I episode is we talked a lot about elevators in the Aetalians episode being like nothing sounded like it at the time.that was kind of true of Rosa Parks tooNow things at that point were opening up a little bit moreYou hadYou know Timbalin and the Neptunes
40:40Kind of pushing the sound of commercial radioSo I think we were a little more primed for itBut likeThere wasn't a lot of things outI mean there's still nothing that sounds a lot like Rosa ParksBut I don't want to like undersellWhat that was like in the context of that momentAnd that's still like a great production
40:57And a great packageRosa Parks to me is still a top 10 outcatI love I think you know that I love Rosaparks. I do. Now, if you're talking about, if you put on Spodi-O-Di, just as a beat, it does, like,it literally transports every single time I hear. I'm like, this is one of the greatest things I've heard.I know. And it's so simple, too. But for all the reason we talked about last episode, the choicesthey made on that song are just fucking perfect and unpredictable. And it shouldn't work in theory. And it does.And it's a seven-minute and something song. Like, to me, if we're, if we're talking about the best representative,
41:31I mean, God, because Rosa Parks does it too.But there's something about Spodiote,where I'm just like, it is so differentthan anything you've ever heard before or since.And it is commercially successful.People know that song and they shouldn't know that song.Again, it's a seven and a half minute song with the hook.It is essentially the horns and spoken word.
41:55You know, it's just like, there's such a unique innovation to itthat I'm just like, in this exercise,I'm kind of leaning towards SpodiotiThe reason why I feel likeThis is going to be my last main point on SpodiotiThe reason why I don't think it should trumpRosa ParksIt does not fit into the category
42:16Into one of the most important categoriesThat you set forth for thisWhich is top tier rapidIf here's it once againIt's a technicalityBut if we're picking the greatestoutcast song,two rappers
42:34who are among the greatestrappers of all time.If there's no rappingon the song,it's spoken word,you can make the case,it's still poetry.I get that.
42:41But if there's norapping, how can itreally,really go toe to toeto toe with someof these other songs?I mean, that's a great point.And it's hard
42:49to make a case against thatonly to saythat the production is so goodand they produced itand they made those choicesthat maybe that helpsease some of that.just be like the production outweighs the lack of lyricism but cutting spodiotic this early feels so wrong but
43:08and it's a technicality so i don't know justin what do you think it feels wrong but here's the thing ithink we can have a better debate over whether rosa parks or equipment i if we're picking becausewe we still have another equipment i check this feels impossibleHe does be likeKilling one of your kidsI knowOkayI'm not sure
43:34That I would haveUse my coach's challengeOn Rosa ParksThough I was debating itIf I needed toLike that was actuallyLike a tricky situationIn the Equim and I recording
43:44When you were decidingBetween Chonky FireYeahAnd Rosa ParksBecause I'm likeIf he goes Chonky FireI might not be able to pick SpodiotiBecause I might need to pick
43:52Rosa ParksI thinkThatRosa Parks should be the onethat advances out of these two.Yeah. I'm just, I feelI don't feelgood, but it's my initial reaction. I don't feel
44:14good about it. It feels reallybad. Because I really do want to justpick Spody. I know, I think it's the right choice.Because here's the thing, if we pick SpodyOdie, it's just going to get knocked out in the next round.Like, that's the thing. It's going to get knocked out.And Rosa Parks, it's, it kind of tricks you because it is socommercially appealing. It is so
44:33catchy. But that song's, you can put that up, I'm on looking at B-O-B and it's like, it kind of has allthe same elements in terms of that fusion of the rapping, the cultural ubiquity, like it, it reallymakes a case in all the areas where Spodioti is going to fall short eventually. So, okay, let's do it.Officially, Spodioti is gone. This is a twist. I didn't think it was going to be that quick forSpodioti. All right. So next, I think,what we should do.We've been talking about Equimini.Only one A.T.L.
45:08song is going to come.Okay. Okay.We should pay.It should be elevators first, A.T.L.ians.And honestly, can you,can I hear from your computer?Can we just play a little bit of each?Just put me in the...
45:21I don't think it's going to be bad, too.All right. So let's hear A.T. aliens first.The single, the title cut.You know what I'm saying?Check itWell, it's the M.I. Cricket letter.Ain't no one better.And when I'm on the microphone,
45:36you best to wear your sweaterbecause I'm cooler than the polar bear's toe nails.Oh, hell.Go ahead.Oh, that shit.Bend.Corners like I was a curve.I struck a nerve.
45:45And now you're about to see the southern play a serve.I heard it's not where you from,but where you pay rent.Then I heard it's not what you make,but how much you spend you make you.All right.All right.All right.
45:53Now, now, let's hear a little bit of elevators.Oh, my gosh.Oh, my gosh.It's like orgasmic.The snare drum, dude.Oh my God.Talk about like transporting you somewhere instantly.All right.
46:13This is impossible.Okay.What do you want?Okay, you're technically elevators is on your list.But this is I snaked it from you and we are about to flip-flop.Yo, it has to be AT aliens.It has to be.I love the elevators.
46:30All right, man.It's just...Elevators is...I think...Well, it's...My cricket letter.Ain't one better.Cooler than a polar bear's toenails.
46:40Oh, like, just the rapping on that shit, the groove, the hook.It's the same case.For me, elevators is the same case as Roads of Parks,because you give that beat to anyone else.They're not...Maybe they could do something with it,but they're not making that catchy of a hook.They're not making it their first single.
46:57They're not letting it vibe as much as they do.They're not rapping that good over.a slow beat like that.Like,Elevators is impossible,and it's their first singleoff of that album,and they are adamant that was
47:10going to be their first single.In retrospect, historically,that feels importantthat they're like,no, this song that no one thinksis going to work is going to work.We have a finger on a pulseof something that no one else does,
47:22and it worked,and it really set the stagefor them being, like,true innovators on a commercial level.So I don't know, man.Elevators,it's on your fucking live.list, but it is because, you know, it's a song that I love
47:35really and I was always going to pick it.But, ATLians.Oh, it's so good.I'm going to be honest, yo.Like, it's got the quotable.It has the quotables.Once again, here's a thing.If we're going over what we had set forth, it has the quotables.
47:52It sounds like the future, but it still has a little bit of that old hip-hop bounce to it.If you play this at a fucking in your car,at a house party, people are going up.People will love elevators too.You can say the same thing about So Fresh So Clean, by the way, but continue.Yeah, but ATL is just different.This is timeless.Like, here's the thing.
48:14So Fresh, So Clean to me sounds dated.A.T. Lians does not.A.T.L.A.L.A.L.S. sounds timeless.True. Maybe.Let's compare the hooks.This might be a good exercise.Because we're getting so nitty-gritty now.Maybe AT aliens has some more catchy hook.
48:32But let's look at the lyrical content.Now throw your hands in the air and wave them like you just don't care.You really want that to be.Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.Don't stop there.And you like that fishing grits and all that pips shit.Oh, by the way.So we asked our southern listeners if grits was actually an acronym for girls.
48:51Or, yeah, girls raised in the South, multiple people came back and said, yes, that is a thing.By the way, just to clear that up.Okay, that's a great line.but then he goes and then he says,and let me hear you say, oh yeah, yeah.So, okay, it's a great catchy hook,but there's really not that much going on sematically.All right, for elevators,
49:14let's go to elevators.You, your mama and your cousin toorolling down a strip on vows coming up slamming Kaladaiac daughter.It's like, come on.That's not the deepest chorus either.I know, but it is, there is something about elevatorsbeing this metaphor for them elevating out of the south,taking the south with them and having all these people,
49:33not just Andre and Big Boy,but taking the whole community with themin their rise, in their elevator,up to the top.So I feel like there's just a little bit more substancein the elevator's chorus.You reaching.You reach him, bro.
49:48They're all the same.They're basically the same.Dog, when Andre comes in on his verse,softly as if I play piano when the dogfound a way to chat on my inga and after a little ball.God damn.What?What? Andre, Andre starting to unlock?
50:04Hold on, okay, hold on, though.Similar conversation, because Andre's fourth verse on elevators is the one got stopped at the mall the other day.He heard a call the other way.And he tells that whole story, you know, I live by the beat, like you live check to check.If you don't move your feet, then I don't eat, so we like neck and neck.You forgot about that verse, didn't you?Fuck.That is one of his best.
50:27This is all right, man.It's not even now that I'm like defending ATLians or even like trying to knock off elevators.Now, all right, let's have a larger conversation then.Which of these songs can go toe to toe with some of the Titans that we still have?B.O.B. Rosa Parks. Aquam and I, Miss Jackson.Which one has a better chance?My heart's with elevators only because it's sneakily innovative.You listen to it. It sounds simple.
51:00you go back to that time,nothing's sounding like this.It's innovative in its own waywhere I feel like ATLN's is likecomparable to Rosa Parks.It's kind of, it has that classicoutcast chorusand the sing-along and the upbeat tempo.
51:17And we're going to get that in B.O.B.We're going to get that in Miss Jackson.I feel like we need,and Rosa Parks if it survives,I feel like we need one of thoseclassic outer space vibe.It needs to be represented.You know what?
51:29I'm going to give you elevators because I do think that if we're even thinking about a lot of the songs we have,just their way to your point, a lot more uptempo, a lot more energetic.Elevators is the other side of what makes Outcast great, which is that introspection, which is the Spacey's slower beats.And then even if I'm like, if we had picked ATLians, I would be like, well, what's the better self-titled track?ATLians or Equeminine.I would pick Equimini.Equeminoi is immediately getting ATLians out of here.even if AT aliens is one of my favorite songs.
52:01Justin, did we make the right choice?It's impossible.It's impossible again.It is impossible again.I think, yeah, it's, I abstain.I'm going to, I have to abstain from this one,because I don't need to because you guys have already made the decision.All right, yeah, okay.
52:19All right, so, all right, let's do it.I think we have to.Let's get Rosa Parks out here.I don't even want to belabor the point.Rosa Parks is still on my list.Right now, Rosa Parks is not beating B-O-B or Miss Jackson.To me, it's not beating Aquam and I.Okay.
52:41A fair, fair.Even elevators, I'm just, like, thematically,I just think elevators is a more interesting song than Rosa Parks.Like, I like Rosa Parks, but if we're, if it's not, it's, no, just no.It feels like Ms. Jackson is the best representation of Rosa Parks, AT-Lians type of cut, right?it's like the pinnacle of thatthat version of Outcastso I'm good with
53:06God this is just so tough thoughbut I think that's the right movebecause I was about to be like well let's have the conversationof like Bob versus Miss Jacksonversus Rosa Parks and it's like Rosa Parks iseasily the third in that listso right now on my list stillwe have BOB elevators on your list
53:22we have Miss Jacksonwebinar my damn itsookay let medo you think we should go elevatorsEquimini, since they are kind of in that samesonic space. Yeah, because I onlyand I think I only want to bring one stankonia song
53:41into the finals. And I think it's obvious that either BOP or Ms. Jacksonis going to make the finals. So I think it should be Elevatorsversus Equimini. Now, even though Elevators is on my list,I'm going to stump for Equimini. Okay. Equimini has one of myfavorite Andre versus of all time. We don't haveto go down why it is we spent a lot of time on that yeah i think it is the pinnacle of rapping for bothof them i think i like the beat on a quem and i more i think equem and i is just such a foundationaloutcast song and it hits every single it hits every single thing that we laid out of what we
54:21want from a great outcast song and so does elevators but like it feels like a more refined version ofthe same thing right and i love the hook if you'reIf we're looking for lyrical content,I mentioned this before the last episode,but there's something aboutit's him and I,a quemini,symbolically in this exercise
54:42that really resonates for me.And I just love,you know,we talked about stankoniakind of being the beginningat the end for Outcast,and these personalitiesbecoming too large to kind of coalesce
54:56in the same way.But this feels like a true fusionof the two personalities,It has the existential stuff and the chorus.And again, like we talked about a lot last episode,but that beat switch is one of my favorite momentsin their entire catalog.And those last, those two verses back to back
55:16on the second half are some of the best rappingfrom some of the best rappers we've ever had.I think as much as I love elevators,I think a quimonize the easier.I was gonna go to the mat.Even though it's on your list, I was just like,I think we need to bring a quem and I into the,like just the final.
55:32Yeah.Now this,God damn.All right.B O'B or Miss Jackson,we can only take one of theseinto the final.O'Quem and I already,
55:44that's one.Okay.Taking that into the last round.I,obviously more people knowMs. Jackson.I know.It's beloved.
55:56Yeah.It's...Is that their most well-known song?I think it's either...I think, yeah.It's either...Jackson are at this point, hey, yeah, probably.Right.
56:07Miss Jackson is just, it's a perfect, impeccable song.I think it shows their strengths as lyricists, storytellers.It has basically everything that, when we talk about Outcast, it's so funny how so many of their songs have a message, but we don't view them as a corny rap group anymore.And Miss Jackson is a very emotional song about two.two men talking to their baby mothers,their baby mother's mothers,all of that being said.Now,
56:41I know BOB was also a single.Everything can't be measured.I know the hack is saying this.Everything can't be measured in streamsor Billboard chart success or whatever.But BOB is one of the greatest songs in a little time.And if it doesn't go into the finals,I will literally never do this podcast again.
57:00BLB, like, it's,BLB is better than Ms. Jackson.It is.Is it though?Let me just make more of a case for Miss Jackson.And let's make a case,do we want to try to make a case against B-O-Bor do you want to save that for a little bit later?
57:17Make the case for me about why Ms. Jackson is a more...Here's a thing.They're both perfect songs.Yeah.Can you make the case to me why Ms. Jackson is botha more interesting songand more important to Outcast?Well, more important to Outcast.
57:34outcast, I think this is just makes,Miss Jackson makes them a household name.So I think we can't overlook that aspect.How just how truly big.I mean, hey, you made them a household name.All of these songs.No, that's after.No, my mom, my mom would know Miss Jackson.
57:49She would not know Rosa Parks.Like, Miss, am I wrong on this, Justin?No, you're not wrong.So that-Miss Jackson was on another level.Yeah.Commercial success.Yes.
57:57I mean, my dad wouldn't know that song.So we just have to state the cultural impact of the song.I think it shows both sides of Andre and Big Boyand the exercise in terms of same concept,same thesis for the song,both giving you two wildly different perspectives.So we get that kind of, that synergy,the contrast that we want.
58:20It is a sneakily experimental song.It's got the cool reverse drums.It's got the slap bass.It's got the Easter eggor the bridal chorus that we talked about.So it's all,it's got quotables,multiple quotables. It's got the forever
58:35ever, it's got, I am forreal, the whole, I mean, the whole chorus is kind of aquotable. And even Big Boys, jealousy,infidelity, envy, cheating, beating,that whole thing, that's kind of a quotable.Andre's verse is like,fucking phenomenal. It's got the bridgebreakdown, the rain in the background.
58:53It's got the iconic video. Like, are wesure it's that easy of a pick over?All right, so, B.O.B, let memake the case really quick on whyit's a better song to Ms. Jackson.Okay.Now, when both songs are playing, Miss Jackson, I love the feeling of just that warmth of these two men just going through life, figuring shit out, the melodies are incredible, Andre's singing is incredible, this is just the video is easily their most iconic video ever, I get all that.B-O-B is like a fucking punch to the face.
59:33It is something that when we look at,and I think last song standing to me, historically,we like the songs and we go for the songs that we're like,this is a song that only this artist could make at this time.There's no other artists when Stanconia drops that yearthat could have made B-O-B.There's still not a rapper on this planet or rap.group to me that has gotten even close to capturing the electric feel.
01:00:03The way Andre comes on that fucking record, the verse, the speed, the dexterity going movingin and out of pockets, even the iconic, here's the thing, BOPB is not as iconic a video asMs. Jackson, but to me, Andre running down the purple feel with the kids chasing afterhim um from the the project homes were uh the bowen the bowen homes that to me is outcast is thatpsychedelic color we are we might have been born in the hood but our music is going to takenot only us but atlanta in the south the outer space and if you ever are just like visuallywhat explains that best it's the beginning of b o k that's i'm just like this is apart of this group.
01:00:57This is everythingthat I want from them.God damn it.It's hard to make a caseagainst that because I love Bob.I agree with you.It is one of the best songsever written.
01:01:07But so is Miss Jackson.So is just,it's like insane to talk about.Do you want it?Here's a thing.Here's the thing.BLB is making itto the final, I think.
01:01:16It is.Yeah.Do you want topit Ms. Jacksonand guess Equipmane?Which one do you think is better?Personally,I would rather listen
01:01:26to Equamina.So I think Miss Jackson is a better song.As a rap fan of Quimini does more for me.It really does.And it represents the first half of their career,which they have been,it was funny going back and seeing their,I watched their Grammy acceptance speech
01:01:42for Speakerbox level belowwhen they were on an album in the year.I don't know if you remember Andre's speech.He comes on second.Essentially the only thing he saysafter just saying the basic thank yousis stankone.He says stankone is not outcast's first project
01:01:56go back and do your history.Yeah.That's how he leaves the speech and then shouts out Southern player by name,but essentially was saying, hey, we're more than Ms. Jackson, we're more than hey, yeah.And so for me, Equimini is maybe the best representation of the first half of Outclass career.I agree.Maybe part of the career that everyone in this room, recording this right now, prefers maybe over the second half.And so
01:02:26I knowMs. Jackson has the cultural ubiquity.It has all that we just talked about.But if we're trying tomaybe balance both sides of the cointhat is outcast, I thinka quem and I over Ms. Jacksoninto the finale against BOP
01:02:42might actually be the better conversation.I think it would be the better conversationand I also just think thatover the course of last song standingwe've done three rappers.And I'm like, Miss Jackson,me even though that's, to me, that's the better song. To me, this isn't an exercise in thegreatest pop song. This isn't an exercise in like, what does it say about this group? What does it
01:03:04say about hip-hop? What does it say about the reasons that even dissect as a podcast, the importanceof lyricism? Right. And how dynamic, you know, rappers and producers can be in pushing an artform forward. And I think a queb and I pushed the art form forward more than Ms. Jackson did.And I like that it's a representation of that album, which we talked to.about is obviously incredibly important.So I'm comfortable going Equamini versus Bob.Me too.Let's do it.
01:03:33This is really hard.I didn't want to come this Jacksonville.I'm like, we can't have two staconia songs, bro.Yeah, but yeah, no.So let's do it.Should we start off by just getting a little bit of BOP in our ears and a little bit ofEquinian.Let's play a little bit of both before we launch it to this.
01:03:53Okay.God damn.Wait, actually, you know what?All right, you know what we should actually do?Let's not just play a little bit.Let's break this down.Can you play a little bit of Andre's versefrom Bob and then play
01:04:06Andre's best verse from Aquaman.Okay.One, two, three.Yeah, Inflop National, Underground, Thunderpousewhen I stop the ground.Like a million elephants or silver,back around a tank.You can't stop a train.
01:04:17Who wants us don't come unprepared.I'll leave there.But when I leave there,better be a hustle name.Brother man telling us it ain't going to rain.So now we're sitting in a drop top soaking wetIn the silk suit trying not to sweatHit some of sauce without the net
01:04:28But this be the year that we won't forgetOne nine, nine, nineForgivin for lip in the businessToo hard to jump in jailOkay, damnAnd then, oh man, all rightNow play Andre's best verse from requirementI let's just break
01:04:44We're gonna keep goingUntil we figure this timeLet's just hear this momentThe name is big boyDaddy fat sacksThe nigga that like them CadaxI stay down with these streetsCause these streets
01:04:57Where my folks at better know thatSome say we pro-blackBut we're professionalYou missed a lot of the chutsSo the music is our confessionGet off the testicles and the nut sacksYou bust rhyme, we bus backGet back
01:05:07For real niggas that's out hereTrying to spit fastYou ear that, you can't come near thatMaybe you need to quit, quitBecause of quimine's a quiriousIn a gem and I run a shitLike thisMy mind warps and bends
01:05:15Slows the windCount to 10 meet the twinAndre BenWelcome to the Lion's denA red jet no skinMany men comprehendI extend myselfSo you go out and tell a friend
01:05:25Oh, all right, all right.Which one's a better verse?Because I can't, no, I can't even.It's like almost two different groups or something.Like, it's so hard to compare them.They both give you, to me, they gave me the same feeling,but in a totally different way, if that makes sense.God damn, because the intro and B-O-B is just so iconic.
01:05:50From the intro to the slow intro into the command.opening verse and just that beat exploding.And then again, like to your point about the video,I cannot listen to that opening line without imagining in my head,him running down the hill.But then we just-But here's the thing, because I'm glad we played big boys partbecause it's just like the old school, like,
01:06:14rapper jumping in right after the other,like Big Boy sets Andre up perfectly.He's just, there's not one wasted bar.It is just so compactA punch in your faceDamnI don't even know if I could tell youWhich verse is better
01:06:32Because to your pointI feel like they're both 100 out of 100I knowDamnAlright so that didn't help at allThat didn't I thought it would helpI would be likeI could say BLB but I'm like
01:06:43Which one do you think is the better hookOh that's a good questionOkay in my preparation for thisI was like let me try to make a caseAgainst bombs over BaghdadAnd it comes down to meto the hookbecause in retrospect
01:06:58does the hookactually workconceptuallydoes the ideaof bombs over Baghdadthis thing that he heardrandomly on TVlike just the way
01:07:07that it soundedand then he twists the conceptkind of similar to likethe Rosa Parks thingwhere it was likebombs over Baghdadhe was talking aboutOperation Desert Fox
01:07:16where the U.S.bombed I think it was Iraqbut kind of did thishalf-ass versionof bombing or somethinghe's likeoh, that's interesting.I'll make that about music
01:07:26and that, you know, we're coming hard.We're being innovators.We're not doing anything half-ass.Bombs over Baghdad.If you're going to drop bombs,you better do it all the way 100%.But knowing where the song went,what it was used for in the Iraq War,
01:07:42does that give it any kind of damagein this exercise where maybe you're taking a phraseout of context and it just maybe doesn't work?Counterpoint.some of Outcast's best hooksdon't make any senseLike we were talking about Chonky FireLike it's just like
01:08:01They be like AT aliensWhat's an AT alien?What's a Qem and I?Like it's just they're putting shit togetherIt sounds greatSo much of Outk's music to meIs I'm just likeThey're like yeah this is what that hook was about
01:08:12And I'm likeYou guys are smoking a lot of fucking weedsThat's senseOh so you can't get mad at likeGoodfellasWhen people take good fellowsOut of context and think it's the hero's storyAnd not about the downfall
01:08:23RightLike you can't get mad at peoplefor taking bombs out of Baghdad out of contextand using it for the Iraq war.So thematically, I think Equim and Iis the stronger hook.Yeah.The catchy, just in terms of like
01:08:35which one do I want to repeat,which one just makes me want to run through the wall,it's bombs over Baghdad easily.And you have the gospel choir singingand you got the kids andit's, yeah.Speaking of like the gospel choir, everythingproduction-wise,
01:08:51which song do we prefer?Because both are, because theswitch on the Quebenai is like,I probably would take that over thethe Bombs Over Baghdad breakdown.Yeah?Even though I like the beat for Bombs Over Baghdad.Yeah, I think overall,
01:09:06Bombs Over Baghdad's production is one of the most innovative,especially on a commercial level,just one of the most innovative productionsthat we'll ever hear across all genres,all the sounds that they're blending together,the tempo,everything that we talked about with the song,I think,
01:09:22top to bottom,it's high.of immaculate.Because it's, again, one of those things that just kind of shouldn't work when you see it on paper.There's an electric guitar solo instead of a third verse.There's choir.There's DJ scratching.Just throwing everything into this pot where it should just kind of end up just diluting itself and kind of muddying out the flavor.
01:09:43For some reason, it all works really, really, really well.And Aquamini, even though it has the live band element that I love, even though it has,has the atmosphere that I lovewhere it does teleport you to somewhere else.Just on a technical level,I don't know if it carries the same weightas a BOP on the production front.Am I wrong there?
01:10:08I don't think you're wrong.Yeah.But I think what we're also talking aboutis what do we favor this group for morebecause I think Aquam and I gives mea more nostalgic hip-hop feelingwhere to me it is,is not, like, we've been talking about when does, like, the different phases of Outcast Career,
01:10:31but we're not even, we haven't talked so much about the different phases of hip hop.And like, when I listen to a Quem and I, I'm just like, oh, this was kind of like the lastgasp of getting this type of beat, getting this type of production, this type of rapping,that I want to favor more.Well, B-O-B is, it is pointing to the future.A lot of rappers are going to take that moment and run with it.And I'll be honest, it's made a lot of interesting music,but it's also made a lot of bad music.
01:11:02I've heard of five music.This is not as great as B-O-B.So it's...Yeah.Yeah, that's a great point.If this...Just going back to just the initial premise or the thesis of this show,you give an alien this song.
01:11:18You give them B-O-B or a Klemai.Which one do you feel like represents...the group more.In my heart of hearts, if I have to be honest,if you gave an alien B-O-B,I think that they would search yearsto get that same feeling.Where if I gave them a Quemini,
01:11:38I think that there are other songsoutcast songs in that mold,that they would be like,oh, I'm getting the same feeling for B-O-B.I think they're just like,they'd be searching.They're just like,I want another song that makes me feel like this.
01:11:51And it just doesn't exist.In their catalog or in,anyone else's catalog.Can I, like, let's, let's play that game.Can you name me another rap song that does the same thing as Bob?Because I do think that like every, the great rappers tend to have that one song where it'sjust like, oh, you got to such a level.No other rap song.
01:12:11Like, this is y'all.And if we're doing last song standing, B.O.B.to me is that where it's like, Aquamini, A.Quemini, A, Qemini might be better than A.T.aliens, but to me, they're doing a similar thing.Same thing with elevators.I put them all in a similar, like, if someone was just like, yo, fuck, y'all areidiots, fuck equipment.
01:12:30I, elevators was the one.I'd be like, not hell yeah, man.You're like, sure.If they're like, elevators is better than BLB, I'm like, get a fuck out of here.Yeah, but a counter argument to that is like, okay, I get all that.But isn't that the case for BLB in that no one has reached that level since?And there's literally no one else who could have made that song.That's why I'm stumping for B-O-B.
01:12:57Like, that's what I'm saying.It's just like Outcast made a bunch of other songs that thematically grade-wise are similar to Quemini.They never make another song like B-O-B.They never made a song like B-O-B.To me, the closest they kind of get is kind of Chonky Fire, but not even really.because Chunky Fire is not a hit.Yeah.B.OB was a hit?
01:13:22Yeah, that's something.Was Equimini a single?It wasn't.I don't think it was.It was skewed on the Barbie,Rosa Parks, and storytelling.Storytelling.So that,
01:13:33as much as like we don't want to,I don't want to make singlesbeing like, you know,something that's really going to weigh heavyin this exercise,it does feel kind of importantthat BOP was somewhat of a hit,where Quemini is definitely
01:13:47an album cut,which,for the heads that might appreciate that,but I do feel like the iconic video.And just like,we got to talk about the second half of the B-O-B songbecause I talked about this in episode one,but Andre and Big Boy leave the song halfway through the song.
01:14:07And it carries out instrumentallywith guest vocals and guitar solos.And it just develops in a way that you would just never predict.They never feel pressure to come back on the song,and they just really, like, what I like about BOP in this exerciseis that we get the great rapping on a beatthat really no one else could rap over as successfully.But then it kind of divulges into this totally different thing
01:14:32and their production capabilities shine in the second half.Where we get the breakdown of the guitar,get the bob your head, whatever he says right there,repeating over and over.And then we get a brand new chord progressionat the end of the song with the,power music electric revival refrain and that's where you get the scratching of the records the guitarthe choir all coming together in this refrain that goes up for over a minute and it's just like
01:15:02who would have most people even if they reach the level of the first half of bob production wisewouldn't think to take it somewhere else they keep adding verses and just it wouldn't have beenyeah and i do think that that bob is a good example ofeven with Equamini,they're getting so weirdon the second half, the last third of these songs,where it just feels like a jam band.It's like the harmonica on Rosa Parks
01:15:31or the stomping or all of that shitand B.O.B. has that weird level of,instead of just adding more lyrics and more,we're gonna go to outer spaceand you just are gonna come along.I have to be honest, man.It feels like we're picking BOP.I didn't want to.
01:15:49Going into this exercise,I'm like,I want to find the songthat's going to beat B-O-Bthis morning.And I was like,it might be a Quim and I.Maybe I can make a case for Ms. Jackson.
01:16:02Maybe elevators.But it's,it's B-O-B, man.Okay, do you want to hear this morning?I was coming in this conversation,totally open-minded that I could be swayed from it.And I definitely would say,when I started the season,
01:16:14I was like,oh, it's definitely going to be a B-O-B.But I feel like,through the exercise, I'm like, no, there's actually songs that go toe to toe.And I'm actually glad we landed on Aquamini versus Bob because I think that does show both sidesof their career. But here was, and this is just might be my own geeky shit, but there is somethingthat I found in the chord progression that just put me over the edge in terms of solidifying Bobas the pick. So let me just quickly show you, there's two chord progressions in the song.
01:16:43In the first half of the song, it's a descending progression the entire time.So here's the piano version, essentially, of the core progression of the first half of BOP.So let me just play that here.So it's all down.Do you feel that how it goes down and down?So conceptually, that works for me.If we're thinking about it on this level, I know what everyone does.But like, if you're talking about bombs over Baghdad, things dropping.
01:17:18The descending core progression works for me conceptually.I know that's not intentional, but that's just how I think of things.What's really cool, though, in the last half of the song,and particularly how it relates to the video and the concept of outcast overall,of someone pushing the boundaries of music,being adamant about lifting their community up, putting them on the map,being innovative, riding the elevator to the top,this overall thing of ascension that they've talked about in interviews that we read throughout the season,
01:17:50of taking people to a higher place and unifying them through music,So the chord progression at the end of the song is all ascending.So let me play that one.So notice how it goes up and up.Even higher.And so we hear this over and over,ascending as they're saying,power music, electric revival.
01:18:18And if you remember in the video at this point,everyone's running, driving their cars fast,we don't know where they're going.And all these different people from the south go into a church.And so we have record scratching.We see the guitar player.We see the choir all congregating in this church, right?And then the final shot of the video, as we're hearing this ascending progression,
01:18:41is a spaceship riding up to stankonia seven light years away.And you think about this quote that I thought about over and over throughout the season,Andre said, I remember reading about human beings and how if everybody is on the same page,humanity can go to another dimension.I was just trying to make the impossible out of music,make people rise in some kind of way,which I feel like is just kind of the thesis statement of Outcast.We have this ascending chord progression.
01:19:10We have the video shot of the spaceshiprepresenting the first half of Outcast's career,ascending into this higher place,bringing the whole church,the whole congregation of the South with them.Symbolically, it just works for me.And when I found that little detail,I'm just like, it's fucking got to be.
01:19:26The fifth dimension.They're trying to take us higher.I was just dissected, bro.I think...We found it?It's B.O. Me, man.It's BOMs over Baghdad.Justin, are you mad at us picking B.O.B?
01:19:57It was always B.O.B.I was waiting.This is, to the listener, this is me sitting here for like eight hours, nine hours, ten hours,being like, when are they just going to fucking say B OB?I was literally like, I was trying for it not to be B OB.I was, this entire season, I'm like, we're going tofind a song that this is just not going to be B-O-B. And I did get close. I literally was like,I think the more interesting choice for us to make would have been a Queminide, but I just don't,
01:20:26it just, it doesn't have the last thing to get it there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, B-O-B-B-1,of the L-L, it literally has everything. Like, everything we would want from Outcast song, I thinkit's the perfect choice. But I like, I'd actually do like B-O-B-1, Equamini, II, Ms. Jackson.That feels like a top, a good top three.So what ended up being our top five?It was B-O-B, Equam and I, Miss Jackson, elevators, and then Rosa Parks.Not bad.How does that compare to the ringer verse, or the ringer list?
01:21:01I haven't looked at that in a while.What was number one on?B-O-B.Okay.So netted out in the same place.And then Spoti-O-D-D-E was number two.Oh, interesting.Spody-O-D-D-W-D-W-T.
01:21:11I was Swage in the final list.Number three was AT Aliens.Number four was Southern Player.Number five was Miss Jackson.Number six was International Players' Anthem.This is all right, man.What?International Players' Anthem at six?
01:21:27Maybe it was too high.But Elevators number seven, Rosa Parks, number eight.International Players' Anthem over elevators is a crime.Rosa Parks, number eight, Art of Storytelling, Number Nine, number ten players' ball.So we're like in the same vicinity, except for so fresh, so clean at number 11.And then...Where's it Clemeni?Where's Equimini?
01:21:48Equimini is 14.It should have been high.God damn.Equimini at 14 is not.Yeah.That's too...Whoa.Also,
01:21:55saying so fresh, so clean is better than Equiponauties also.I mean, I probably had Logan Murdoch in my ear.This is making me mad.Well, yeah.Yes, this is what happens.You said that I'm a listmaker.My daddy was a listmaker.My dad's daddy was a listmaker.
01:22:13And the thing you've learned,over the years, people are just going to get mad.This is also a list. I will saya list made by committee is the hardest list to make.Because it's just like the ringer contingent.Right.Is like everything from like 20 years oldto people in their 40s or 50s.
01:22:30So I get it. I will say thatafter this list,I learned to stop listening to the vote.It went from being a democracyto being a little more of,you can state your case, but I'm going to take a little bit more.Right.A little more.
01:22:44control over this.Yeah.So.All right.Well, we ended upin the same place,though.I think I'm very happy
01:22:51B.O.B survivedthroughout this whole thing.Was it the,was the very firstthat was picked?Probably.It was B O.Jackson.
01:22:58Yeah, I think you picked Bobfirst in the first episode.It was always going to be Bob.It was always,it's such a good song.It's such a good song.We tried.We tried.
01:23:06Yeah.It's fine.All right.So,before we get out of hereand thank everybodywho makes this podcast possible,let's spend two minutes.
01:23:14Yeah.What artist should Last Talk Standing do next year?I haven't thought of any artists.I was just like, I'm going to come in clean.Because what I've also, what I like about the first three artists that we've picked,Kendrick, Frank, Outcast, great tight discographies.A lot of the greats have a lot of bullshit in the show.You know what I'm saying?
01:23:39Just like a lot of bullshit.We would have to reformat the show a little bit for some of these artists if we're talkingabout a Jay-Z or an Eminem or something like that where the catalog is just humongous andit's like there's a lot of eye to Wilde's there I'm watching Charles's face too as you even saidthe word Eminem and I'm just watching his eyes get big because part of me was like fuck that partme was like Eminem hmm wait where would you stop in an Eminem season probably eight mile rightno I think you no you have to go all the way through no no you have to go all the way through no no youhave to go all the way through.
01:24:14You have to get to like rap God.Hell no.Hell no.Are you all insane?Okay, how about this?What about a Kanye?Are we ready for a Kanye season or is that just totally out the window?All right.
01:24:29I just listen to Vultures too.I refuse to listen to that album.I will say we,morally, I do not want to do a Kanye season.That's a tough one, but.But for the fun of,of it, I would love to do it Connie's easy. I feel like doing it, because we were thinking about itfor season two and then a lot of stuff happened in the moment that we're just like, fuck that.
01:24:54I feel like there's enough distance now. A lot of stuff is doing a lot of work.What did Trump just say about Kanye? He's like, Kanye, I love him. Complicated man. I'm like,if Trump is saying this about you, you know you fucked up. So I will say, you guys can yell at us.if you guys cancel us and yell at us and be like,fuck a Kanye season, we won't.But I'll just be like, I can be swayed.I'm on the fence where I'm like,there's enough distance.
01:25:20And I'm,I mean,I've studied music long enough where I'm like,sometimes you just have to separate the artist from the art.And I would say we would probably format the season,we'd have to format the season where we're going to pretty much focus mostly on the firsttwo thirds of his career.I would literally be like,
01:25:36we're not doing.Stop with life of Pablo.And then the rest.Everything after that, we just kind of put into one episode.Donda might need its own episode.Donda.Donda does your album of the year that year.Oh, right.
01:25:48But not for last song standing.I think we would need an episode for Donda, but we can definitely package a lot of the late stuff.Let's give, let's see if we can do four.We'll give four.Most people are going to vote for Kanye.Just because Kanye wins does not mean that's the next season.But right, Kanye is in contention.We've always talked about J. Cole.
01:26:08We've always talked about J. Cole.Because we just think it would be funny, but neither of us.People might hate us because no one's going to stand for him.But I do think J-Kall has a lot of fans.So we'll put J-Cole in there.I wanted to talk to you guys.I feel like a woman artist.Yeah.
01:26:25We've done three, like, even if we go outside of rap, R&B, pop,is there anybody?Fiona Apple?You know who I was going to say?I don't know if her discography is big enough now,but she is definitely popular enough.A Sizz of season.But she only has two albums.
01:26:47No, she has more.Yeah, I guess she has the, I forgot what it's called.That would have to be a mini season.So not Siza.I mean, Frank only had, I guess he has more, but, yeah.Hmm. Justin, who are you thinking?We have Kanye, we have Jay Cole.Jay is an option.
01:27:01We would have to really think about that.Jay's, because he's just, that's not me saying,I love Hove.That's just so many fucking.I know, that's crazy.You know, before.we settled on Frank Ocean, we were talking about the possibility of an odd future season.Oh, right. So, and I don't, I don't say that to necessarily, we should pull that back because we've already done Frank, so it becomes a little more complicated. But we could broaden it up a little bit and think like that. Like, what is, does it have to be a single artist or can it be like something either a collective or, you know, we're tackling a subgenre or we're tackling, which is like, guess complicated and you have to rethink it. But like, I'm just.
01:27:39challenging you guys to kind of think a little bit broader.I do like an odd future season because you do.Okay.Well, I just said we can't do that, but you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.That's what we should do.No, no, no.I like, because we got some Tyler music.We got some Earl.
01:27:53Earl.We got Internet.Domogenesis.All right.We would have to put some, like, the Haji beats.I mean, even a Tyler season would be incredible.All right.All right.
01:28:04Oh, okay.If you're going to hate the whole time.I would have to listen to bass.a bastard, bro.Well, I don't like his early stuff either, so.You know what I'm saying?Bastard and Wolf would be tough.I think that Charles was just too there for-
01:28:17I was just too. It's the same thing.You also said a Childish Gambino season, and I was just toothere. ButTyler and Childish Gambino season areinteresting to me.I think Tyler would be great.I was thinking Mac Miller, butI think it, yeah, I think that'd
01:28:33be a little bit too, just withhis legacy and him passing. I don't knowif it could be. I'm not that big of aMiller fan even if his later music did get me yeah I think there's a lot of earlymusic that I'm like right I don't want to besmirch right right right the deceasedbut we have so so far we have Kanye J Cole J Cole Jay Cole do you want to sayTyler or on future let's say a Tyler slash odd future we would figure it out yeahokay one more do we want to do something not like think about outside of rap is there a
01:29:04pop rock R&B group that we're not thinking of yeahThere's many pop rockWe're not thinking.We can't think of any of them right now.I'm just thinking like Radiohead,but I don't know if you're the right person to do that.I can't get you with that.I love me some radio head.
01:29:20I know.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Damn.All right, you know, if we got the three.Those three.I think those are a strong three.Or just make a case for someone else.Oh.
01:29:30Well, let's do other.We'll do those three.Those three are an other.And another and then make a case for something.If you guys want like to stump for any of these,if you guys want a weekend seasonthat might be very cursedwhat's the weekend song right now
01:29:46what's the B.O.B of the weekend season songlike he really wasn't going to beat the hillsit was literally I was about to say the hillsI was like it's the fucking hillsall right you don't want to do a Drake seasonnot the right time for it's not the right timethat's another long seasonthat's a long season and that discography
01:30:07falls off a cliffvery fucking fast.Here's the thing.You said it not me.I will put it to you this.Kanye and Drake are the big seasons.We will probably end up doing them once.Y'all would have to pick one.
01:30:19Because I'm just like, you guys aren't getting the Drake season for a while if we do Kanye.You're just not.Yeah, that's true.Okay.All right.Kanye?Jay Cole.Jay Cole.
01:30:28Tyler slash Odd Future and an other that we're not thinking of.Yeah.All right.Yo, take us out.Thank everybody who makes this possible, Cole.Thanks, Justin.All season, of course.Kevin Pooler for the great audio production,
01:30:40but also making a case for So Fresh So Clean.We've got theme music by Briocratic as always.Thanks everyone for listening.Just a little update on the Dysect feed.I'll probably be going dark for a little bitunless some big albums come outand I'll do some special episodes.But for the most part, I'll be gearing up
01:30:56for the next season of Dysect,which should be dropping maybe October-ish.So stay tuned for that.And follow at Dysect podcast on all the socials.Charles, you want to plug your social?No, not really.People are already really mad at me.So it's just like, hey, but guys, you know,
01:31:13if you want to see my beautiful, beautiful face every single week,make sure you check out the Ringervorverse YouTube.Okay.Like, subscribe.Yeah, yo, thank you so much.Cole.This is my favorite part of the year.This was like, I think this was my favorite season so far.
01:31:29Easily my favorite season.Like, because it was just like, I think for Kendrick and Frank,we were very close to that music.And Outcast was a time for me to be like,oh, I get to spend months.And honestly, it was like a year since the last one.I was like, yeah, let me turn on an Outcast.And it was, I want to, I think we should go and do a more modern artist probably for the next season.
01:31:49But I do want to maybe follow this format of just like, you know, what are the type of artists that we can like go back to and really just spend a lot of time with?Yeah.All right.All right.We are back for the final cultural exchange of this year.Our favorite part of the podcast were Cole and I, uh, swan.swap some great cultural artifacts that meant a lot to us.Cole, I gave you the assignment of the strokes.
01:32:22Is this it?You gave me the assignment of John Coltrane of Love Supreme.I will start.Not only did I love this album.Oh, shit, really?Yeah, no, I knew this album.Oh, really?It was one of those where I was just like, I can't tell, like, I guess it was probably
01:32:37like my grandparents or whatever.It was one of those albums that I'm just like, I've listened to this before.Okay.It was, but it was like this morning I was like, I was just,just listening to it. I was like, this is, I got what you meant by, in terms of an album that'sshowing what jazz can be, pushing it to its limits. Yeah. I think a lot of jazz you give mesometimes is like experimental and all this stuff, but to me this was more so I was just like,oh, this is like just upper echelon, as experimental as it is, just like this is as good as it can
01:33:08get. Why are you surprised that I like this album? Like, it was very nostalgic for melistening to this. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I mean,Maybe you're having a reference point for it helped because it is at,I mean, it starts out kind of easy,but it does to get, I would say,quote unquote,challenging where he's like really reaching those,when he tries to hit those high notes and he's like squeaking it,
01:33:28it gets really like kind of aggressive at moments,but it's like you also feel them just like,just reaching the boundaries of his instrument.So I didn't know if that was going to be like off putting for you.So here's the thing.The funny thing is,is like you always give me like this music like this might be off puttingand I always come back.
01:33:44This is my shit.I feel like you're starting to learn.I do like there.I give more of a chance to challenging music than I give to just stuff that goes down,which sounds funny because like usually when we're doing last song standing,I go for the singles.But if I'm just in my whip,I'm just like, this is something where I'm just like, oh shit.
01:34:04Yeah.This is just, it still sounds futuristic, but it reminded me of my grandparents.It reminded me of being a kid.There was just something about.the cultural osmosis where I was just like,oh, this is like a foundational recordthat I've just heard playing a bunch.Yeah, it's kind of like kind of blue in that way,
01:34:22Miles Davis' most famous recordwhere you just kind of hear it places.You might hear it at a coffee shopor like a bookstore or something.So I'm glad you liked it.So I listened to the strokes this morning.Is this it?Walking around downtown L.A.
01:34:40Exactly where you need to listen to it.$10 pour over coffee.Just feel like a total...$10 pour over coffee?Where the fuck did you go, Cole?Went to Cognacenti, one of the best coffee places in the world.You are such a boosy little bitch.Got the geisha pour over.
01:34:55I was a specialty coffee nerd before this was my career, actually.But, okay, so I feel like the setting was perfect.Because I put this thing on, I was like, fuck, this is good.I told me, let's go.Let's fucking go.It's like undeniably good.It did definitely give me some nostalgia, becauseAs much as I try to reject the strokes in the moment,
01:35:15just like I said last episode,I was kind of like on my pretentious,complicated music shit.The simplicity and the,just the melodies that he constructs over these thingsand like the tone,the distortion of his voice and like that kind of melancholy,I don't know, it's kind of sad,
01:35:32but uplifting at the same time.I was this like, man,because you said it was one of your Desert Island records.Like, what?And then when I listened to it,it's like, oh, I get it.Because here's the thing, I didn't give this album to you.Like, this is not a Love Supreme.
01:35:46Love Supreme is like about musicality where it's like strokes is this it if we're talking about me being basic.I do think like this is a rock record where I was just like, oh, this is just like a lean, no fat.You know what it is.It's almost a pop record at that point.And I think the reason like I love Julian Casablancus as a singer is I'm just like I tend to go for the singers that are not necessarily the most.most naturally gifted, but have an interesting tone to their voice, an interesting way of sellingit.And he has that like fucking sleaze ball, meet me in the bathroom era.
01:36:25I'm too good to hit these notes correctly type shit.So it's like, I did not give this to be like, this is the best rock album ever.I'm just like, no, I feel like it's pretty important for, for what it was in the moment.Like, this influenced so many bands afterwards.I mean, it's like monkeys.That's why you were just like, I was just like, yeah, when I was listening to the first Arctic monkeys, I was just like, you guys really love this job.No, for sure.So I'm glad we ended it on that because it was something I went into thinking like I might not like it as much.
01:36:55Like, it might give me the same feeling the Arctic monkeys did, but I think it's better than that.And it was a good re-listen because I was familiar with it, but and the setting really helped.It was so L.A. walking around.Are we going to do a little, I have a question for you.do we want to have any off-season assignmentsor do you want to maybe think about next seasonif we want to do we want to keep doing music sharingor do you want to do something like
01:37:20because you said the first time I came to L.A.at the beginning of the season I was wearinga Lawson Translation shirt.Yes.And you said that you had never seen that movie.And I was like dumbfoundedbecause that was a foundational movie for me.So I was thinking.
01:37:34We should do some movie swap.I don't even know like what movies really have your heart.Well,you have a Paul Thomas Am.Anderson film, There Will Be Blood.Can you guess what my favorite PTA movie is?One of my favorite movies is in my top five.All right, you're just asking that, it can't be the obvious boogie nights.
01:37:52Phantom Thread.How did you know was Phantom?Because I know you.Wait, wait, what is that?I know, I know you.I just knew it was Phantom Threat.Wait, you're saying it was so much fucking disdain.I just, I'm not saying it.
01:38:02No, no, I'm not saying it with disdain.I just, I just know, I know you.I wouldn't say it's his best.I think There Will Be Blood is better.But if you're asking my favorite movie,I would put on,like,yeah,
01:38:13I just read,watch that like maybe three months ago.It's such a beautiful film.And the score,oh my God.Here's the thing,but there will be blood.I can only,
01:38:22like,that's such an intense movie.I'm just like,it's not a movie.I can just throw up.Be like,yo,tonight we're watching.
01:38:28There will be blood.There will be blood.It's fucking hilarious,though.No,it's funny,but there are momentswhere I'm like,
01:38:36bruh,we should either do,all right,so we should either do a movie swap,or,you knowhis discographyis too wow
01:38:44but before I gotafter the strokesfor all the shitI was part of mymixtape cultureI kind of want toswap my favoritemixtapes with you
01:38:53because you're not a bigyoung thug fannonot a big future fannomegosI liked himlike when they got to culture
01:39:01but I don't really knowmuch before themI might want to doan AtlantaSouthern mixtape rapbecause here's a thingI wouldn't want to doan entire Lil Wayne season.
01:39:12But I feel like there's a goodlittle Wayne, even Lil Wayne seasonyou could cobble together beforehe went off the deep end.So either we're going to do a movie swap.Next season I might do likethese are the most important mixtapes to me.Have you ever listened to Rich Gang,
01:39:26The Tour Part 1?No.Oh my gosh.Oh my gosh.See, you're talking about the era nowthat I was in the black hole for sure.All right.So either, either are.
01:39:36All right.We'll be back.Hell yeah.Next year.It'll probably be.Kanye because we knowwe'll see y'allwe'll see y'all later
01:39:44hell yeah
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