Dissect - 'DON'T TAP THE GLASS' + B-Sides! | Last Song Standing (E7)

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

Our journey to crown Tyler The Creator's best song ever continues by revisiting 2025's 'DON'T TAP THE GLASS' as well as diving into Tyler's extensive b-sides catalog. Follow @dissectpodcast on⁠ Instagram⁠,⁠ TikTok⁠, and⁠ Twitter⁠. Hosts: Cole Cuchna & Charles Holmes Producer: Justin Sayles  Editor: Kevin Pooler Engineer: Jon Jones Theme Music: Birocratic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi everyone, Cole here. Quick message before getting into today's episode. Later this month, Dysect will be celebrating its 10-year anniversary, which honestly is pretty wild to say out loud. And to honor this moment, I thought it'd be fun to do a 10-year anniversary mailback episode. What's a mailbag episode you ask? Well, the concept is pretty simple. You submit questions and I'll record my answers. The questions can of course be music-related, but they don't actually have to be. I also like talking about film, literature, life, family, philosophy. Honestly, I'm open to answering any question as long as it's interesting and thought-provoking. Now, to submit a question, just email dissect podcast at gmail.com.

A standard email is fine, but if you want to get extra fancy, you could also record your question as a voice memo so I could play it in the actual episode. The deadline to submit a question is Wednesday, August 19th. Again, the deadline is Wednesday, August 19th, and the email is Dissect Podcast at gmail.com. All right. Thank you guys for listening as always and enjoy today's episode. Welcome everyone to Last Song Standing. I'm Kolkishna.

And I'm Charles Holmes. And in this fifth season of Last Song Standing, we are breaking down Tyler the Creator's entire discography in order to crown. The greatest Tyler the creator song of all time, aka. The last song's standing. Last episode, we broke down Chromacopia. Yep. And today, it's the penultimate episode.

Penultimate. We're going, don't tap the glass. Plus, we're going to cover all the features, Lucy's, anything, not on a Tyler the Creator full-linked project. Yes. Burning shit down. Turning shit up. I don't consent. I don't get fuck.

I got my racks up. Baby blue. Bemo, watch your back up. I'm sorry. I don't see you more. I'm sorry that the four minutes when you see a son. like the choices. I'm sorry. And let's just jump right in, Charles.

Four, you got that shit on, Cole. I'm very proud of you. You always come here, dripped out. I thought it was like, maybe bordering on a little too, like, I don't know. No, this is grown and sexy. You're in your Tyler era. Come on, bro. Do you're, I ask this every single time, but I will keep asking you year after year.

Are your daughters respecting it? Are they respecting the fact that, like, you show up at elementary school, these other dads have given up on life. Cole's like, nah, bro, I got this. They take me for granted. I'll say that. Really? I always tell them, one day you'll realize how cool your dad is. Because your wife is she at like the teacher, the parent teacher conferences, y'all, y'all out.

She's like, damn, Cole, like, you stunting on his dad's. No, I mean, I think this was my midlife crisis because I was like always kind of into fashion, but I've gotten more into dressing well in the past like two years, which, you know, instead of buying a sports car, instead of, you know, cheating on my wife. Instead of buying a chain,

I buy furniture. Yeah, I just try to dress a little bit better as my hair ate, you know, my hair goes gray. I try to make up for it with, you know. You got the lynch hair.

Stop. Stop. All right. Well, here though, we're like, we're close to the end. Yes.

This is, uh, I'm really excited about this episode. Same. I thought once again, revisiting these projects, I think when don't tap the glass released, I was,

kind of like, okay, this is like slight or minor Tyler. Yeah. And going back to, I'm like, oh, I fuck with this album heavy. Yeah. So we, should we just get right? Because we're not going to do like, so today's episode is going to be a little bit different. I think we both feel like don't tap the glass is we both, I think came to love this project, especially on a revisit.

But it's not like, uh, it's a totemic Tyler, the creator work. And I don't even think Tyler made it for that purpose. Yeah. The reason I think I came to love this and we will break it down later is it's just a fun record. I love when an artist, especially when they've been on the type of run that Tyler has been on, kind of gives you like an X-Ale and be like, all right. You know what it reminds me of if we're, I always compare directors, maybe to musicians. It reminds me of like licorice pizza from PTA where it's like I know a lot of people don't like licorice pizza, but I love it because it's just such a, just a breath of just kind of like, okay. someone going back to their child and getting you something that's not, to your point, as totemic, but just like, it's summer right around the web.

Yeah. I mean, and also we should say, we kind of mentioned this last episode on chromocopia, but this is like Tyler breaking old patterns. You know, so chromocopia was a three-year gap or almost four-year gap between Call Me If You Get Lost and Chromocopia, which was one year past his normal bi-annual album cadence that he had established since bastard. And then this one comes, he almost like makes up for it because this one comes, don't tap the glass comes less than a year or like little over a year. I can't remember exactly. But, uh, and he wrote it while on tour, the Chromacopoeia world tour, which I think is the first time. I know he's worked on music on his tours in the past, but this is one that he started.

It sounded like and completed while on tour. And just putting out something and he was very upfront about this in the one interview he did about it, which was like, I wanted to be free, loose, not think too hard, no crazy bridges, like just like urgent, upbeat, fun, something you can move to. Don't think too hard. And I mean, he even said he wanted to release this project like the day after he completed. He just wanted to upload it for free and just get it off. But he said that Clancy probably with some financial wisdom said, hey, let's give this a release. I think that was ultimately the right decision. But you can feel that kind of like looseness and urgency and kind of almost mixtape feel in the because he was

saying he didn't do the thing where it's like he's just focusing on like this synth or this melody or the bridge being perfect it was like first idea best idea go and in an interview he did with hot 97 he said that essentially the he had like three outfits for three or four outfits leather outfits but they weren't ready he only had one and they needed to get the album cover. So he literally just takes, it's like the old our future day. He takes a photo on his iPhone of himself, goes into Photoshop, like, makes his eyes big and just sends it off in a very like stream of consciousness. And that to me is probably why I love this record because it reminds me of like early Tyler not being too precious about the music and just letting his like heart and nostalgia lead him.

Yeah. It's also, I mean, it reminds me of, I mean, we talked a lot about Mr. Morrell, even on the last episode and after Mr. Morale we get the battle and then we get GNX. And there's a kind of a freedom in the same way I feel like with that era of Kendrick coming off his heaviest record to date, getting all that weight off his chest and then making something that's a little bit more free and fun and true to his roots. And I feel like Tyler, this is his version of that after the weight of chromocopia, after laboring over these songs for three or four years, he is just doing, he got all the weight off his chest and now he's able, he's in a space where he can just be free and have fun.

Ambition can be a prison. And I think you realize that especially as you get older, Kendrick and Tyler, to me, are perfect examples. I was thinking about this last night where recently we had the game versus YG versus. And I think for when I was growing up, rappers like the game or YG, they are perfect encapsulations of what the West Coast is. And to me, You have Tyler and Kendrick on the other end where they are creating careers and making careers that are very cerebral. They are chasing something. They're building these monuments. They are craftsmen.

And that's not to take anything away from GER YG. I love them both. But to your point, GNX and don't tap the glass, both being them almost taking their hands off the wheel a little bit and be like, all right, I'm going to have a little bit of fun. I'm going to show you that I can. I can do all of that. I can make the hits. I can dance. We can have a little fun.

I mean, it's also thematically adjacent to chromocopia, which is all about home. And this is that in a different package, which is tapping into the West Coast sound that he's kind of previewed on chromocopia in parts, you know, digging into the accent,

a little bit more West Coast flavor and the beats. And then that's he really in a, especially on a few of the songs, he really drives home that West Coast sound and accent and, you know, rapping cadence. but also like this great history of dance music that you know he grew up listening to also so yeah it's um should we get into the album facts and we'll get into our before we get into album

facts we got to remind the audience okay where where everything stands oh we didn't do our list recap okay let's do it all right all right so so far i have french yonkers bimmer buffalo who that boy gong gone thank you lemonhead darling ah damn my my list is so sexy bro you really did round it out I think I like your list. I gave you a lot of shit this season because in the beginning it was a little one note, but you got some gone gone and darling eye great. I mean, yeah, great list.

I got bastard title track. She answer. Cherry bomb title track. Garden shed, new magic wand, lumberjack and like him. I'm not hating on your list either. This is like both of us together.

I was in the beginning of the season. I was worried. I'm like, okay, are we really getting the whole breath of his. but looking at our list right now and Justin got earthquake. I'm feeling good about where we're headed in the finale. This is why we do the show together because together we create a very balanced list.

You can see where mine leans towards a certain sound and your leans towards a certain sound. And together we get the complete package. And sorry to Justin, who we kind of bullied him into his coaches challenge this year. I'm sorry. I mean, it's, you know, there are things you can do in the NFL where you put the onus on the referees to make the decision, right? You just do a thing and then the refs have to handle it. And that's what you guys did me and that's fine, but that's what a ref's here for. Yeah, okay. This episode is presented by Sierra Nevada. Life's about embracing the haze. What does that mean?

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$197,000 in its first week and debuted at the top of the Billboard 200. And I will say, I was amazed that this did 197 in its first week because was it another Monday release? Yeah, so another Monday release. And he's selling, and he's hitting the top of the chart. Only 10 songs as well.

Yeah. Just some of them being like, I mean, definitely one mama and them like a minute 15 track. Like yeah, this is like, this is peak Tyler, man. Like I feel like again, we said this throughout the season, but his career has just been one big ascension.

And I think this speaks to that in terms of like, he has the like he's earned goodwill with the audience with listeners where he can drop a loose project like this and people are interested they want to hear what tyler's up to even if it is a 10 song almost ep like feel like they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna see where he's at in life right now what so we already kind of already started talking about the album but like what are what are some of the themes and the concepts of this yeah i did a little like a video essay on this when it came out because it's really interesting because this is like Tyler's loose album. It says like non-concept album, yet there's a pretty, like the non-concept is kind of part

of the concept. Like he can't help but create singular focused work. Like that's in the sound, like as we already kind of talked about, it's a very singular sound variation, but you know, he's definitely built a world consistent, you know, talk boxes, synths, like dance beats, up tempo. So there's a kind of sonic foundation that he's building on. But to me, the heart of the concept is the idea of dancing. So as we talked about him being a little bit more free with this project,

from the songs themselves to the release to the short period after chromocopia, dancing itself is an act of liberation. It is letting go. And this album starts with rules about, move your body, only speak in glory, none of the heavy baggage of chromocopia, and don't tap the glass, which is don't disturb this pure kind of dance floor. Some people interpreted, don't tap the glasses also don't be on your phone. Don't be tapping, you know what I mean?

Because when he debuted this record, he did it in these private dance parties where no phones were allowed, and people were just there to dance and celebrate and have fun and sweat together. And so that's all built around the album and in the album. album, the intro, but even like something like, this is like the genius of Tyler in a non-concept album, the album begins with a sample. I don't know if you've ever looked this up, but the sample is by Ben Zür and Johnny Greenwood from the soundtrack, the Junjun, I don't know if I'm saying that right, the Junjun soundtrack from 2015, but here's the original sample. And then here's how it appears in Big Po.

And when you translate this, this is what starts the album sonically. And you translate this from Hebrew and he's the guy saying, dancing for God, dancing from God. So it's like, in my mind, all these elements are all threading together to create, to at least present this loose, fun album as a concept, as something that is important. learning to let go, learning to dance, learning to sweat, move with others, and not be so in your head, not letting all that baggage go. And so that's kind of embedded. It's kind of set up from the start of the album that as you experience it, you're supposed to be experiencing this kind of divine liberation.

I also like that it starts and ends with a very iconic disco sound that like, which again is, you know, calls back to the history of dance music. And I'll just end on a quote that he said about the album because I think it explains it pretty concisely. He said, quote, I asked some friends why they don't dance in public and some said because of the fear of being filmed. I thought, damn, a natural form of expression and a certain connection they have with music is now a ghost. And made me wonder how much of our human spirit got killed because of the fear of being a meme, all for having a good time. This album was not made for sitting still, dancing, driving, driving, running any type of movement is recommended to maybe understand the spirit of it only at full volume. So to me, he's kind of making what I kind of laid out a little bit more transparent

there. She's saying things like human spirit, divine expression, all these things. So it's a, it's a concept, non-concept concept album is how I describe it. No, and it's why I ended up when I went back really loving the album is when you think about where Tyler starts in his career, he is at the kind of dawn of what we know is like an internet artist. Obviously, the internet had been around for a while, but the way that Odd Future gets their start on Tumblr and Twitter, because Tyler and I are the same age, I can remember dancing changing, where when I moved to New York, I love to dance. Like, I love to go out, whether it's a club, whether it's a bar, if they're playing something I like, I remember being with my friends and us being less self-conscious about it.

And then, weirdly when I was in San Diego, it was funny. We went to a bar. They were playing my music. And I was dancing, but nobody else that I was with. And they're like,

yo, we filmed you. And it was like this thing where I was like, oh, it's no longer cool to dance because of what Tyler is talking about. We're on our phones. You're afraid that you're going to become a meme. And it's like,

it's this weird inverse. where I was like, when you were a kid at the dance, if you were on the wall, looking at everybody dancing, you were the nerd. And now it's completely flipped. And I think it speaks to Tyler's journey where it's, they say about fame that you are almost crystallized in amber

the moment that you become famous. And to me, it speaks so much to Tyler's growth that 17, 18 year old Tyler probably would have thought that a dance record would be like corny or beneath him. and getting to this stage where I think he's like 34 now, being like, no dancing and expression and getting off your phone, getting off the internet, and connecting with people is actually the coolest thing you can do.

And that's why I really love this record. Yeah, Justin, did you returning to this record? Or what was your feeling about it when it came out versus now? Yeah, I mean, it feels like a, it doesn't feel like a major work in his discography the same way, like even a chromocopia, which came out right before this did. but what's interesting to me is it's of course pulling at a lot of like dance music threads

but it's also like I hear a lot of southern rap in here you know there's like the knock if you buck field mob but then you hear some like New Orleans bounce in some of these tracks and it's just

it seems like he's playing in sandboxes that he hasn't before and also trying to connect to things that um you know trying to weave a whole experience of uh what may be considered dance music in some sectors right uh i don't know i think it's a um i like the record oh yeah should we should we get to our to our favorite our favorite and our final quiz me if you get lost. Trivia.

This is an important battle because I have 6.5 on the running tally. You have 9. So technically, I can come back. It's a long shot, but if I get all the ones right, questions right today, and you get all the questions wrong, I can

technically still win by a half point. So, I'm going to go first. Okay. Because if you get one right, then, I mean, We both still do the questions. Oh, damn. And then we should also remind listeners that Justin has a prize for us that we're going to reveal on a season finale next week for the winner of this quiz.

We don't know what it is that the mystery prize will reveal next week. Is there any hint you can give us, any like one word hint that might, you know, tease what you got? Sure. Well, you know, so I got a prize for the winner and prize for a loser. So I'm not going to say what, okay. I'm not going to say what this, who gets what. Okay.

But I would use the word autograph. Oh shit. Okay. I'm excited. Hell yeah. All right. In his interview with Zane Lowe, Tyler said he wanted to be silly and fun throughout Don't Tap the Glass.

One recurring joke is Tyler saying, get your funky ass in that tub in songs and promo videos for the album. Who or what is Tyler quoting here? Dog, we have the same question. Oh, shut up. We have the same question. It's Roblox. It's this little girl.

There's a game in a game in Roblox called like Brookhaven RP. And I watched the video. We should play some of it here. It's the funniest. I could not stop laughing. Can we play some of it right now? Get your funky ass in this motherfucking bad, bitch. I mean, I can't get in here.

Shut your funky ass up. You already to fuck out. So bitch, shut up. In your fucking ways. Mommy, who's downstom? There's, don't worry about it, ugly ass bitch. You'll be up and shit fucking laggy, bitch. It is.

Tyler said it in the interview. He's like, this was the feeling of the energy of like early O-F. And I'm just like, of course. Like that. Okay. So if we have the, so that's like, we should just exit. Let's X that out. Let's X that out.

It's also the thing where he didn't do much press for this and there's not much information on the album. So we might also have like all the same questions. I'm going to give you a. this one's easy. Tyler talks about people not realizing like, oh, I can dance.

Like, I'm really, really good. What 1997 R&B album taught Tyler the creator how to move? Your man, usher my way. Damn. I had the same question for you. He didn't want to interview guys, and we don't have much to go on here.

All right. I have one that's not, don't tap the glass related. it's A's A's A's Rocky related because of the Lucy, the Lucy portion of ours. Okay. Well, let me hit you with mine because this one, I think he does say it in that interview, but maybe you don't remember because it is more of a music nerd thing. So on the song, I'll take care of you off to tap the glass.

Tyler samples his own drums off of one of his previous projects. Which song that he made did he sample? Fuck, I know it's off cherry bomb. I know it's off cherry bomb. I don't know. Don't think too hard about it. title track cherry bomb yeah we'll play the clips here for the listeners yeah he sampled himself on i'd take care of you those really fast drums all right well you just you just iced it but give me

your uh so i i wanted to throw in we're we're doing lucies we're doing features and i thought it was only right uh asap rocky has kind of become his his his partner in crime uh but i wanted to go all the way back to the beginning tyler and asap rocky didn't always get along. In fact, Tyler diss Rocky early on after the Harlem rapper directed a Danny Brown video. Tyler tweeted, quote, the term video director is thrown around

very loosely nowadays. I think ASAP, I believe it was ASAPD. Might have like tweeted back. I'll fucking slap you or something like that. Crazy. But what Danny Brown video was Tyler referencing? Oh, damn.

Not quite a fair question. I'll just say, and I don't know the answer to you. You don't, one after blunt. You don't remember blunt after blunt? I don't remember the video. Is it iconic video? I don't know if iconic, but blunt after blunt is a very, very iconic Danny Brown song. Do you remember this Danny Brown song, Justin?

Of course. Come on. Of course I remember. Do you remember the video? I don't remember the video at all, but I remember the song very well. It's a deep cut question. How is that a deep cut question? This is a Tyler podcast.

And Tyler and Asap Rocky. You can't tell the story with Tyler without dipping in a little bit of A'sabrocky. You're reaching. You can't tell the story of Tyler without Tyler's Twitter either. Come on, sure. All right. All right. Well, congratulations, Charles.

You're the official winner of season five trivia. Here's the thing. They was down out there. I know y'all was down. Y'all was like, he's not a real Tyler fan. I'm like, yo, I was there from the beginning. Y'all, shut the fuck out. Oh, yeah.

How does this, not to derail the show, but how does this stand? Who usually wins? I can't remember. Who won the past few years? I think Charles, I mean, The Charles went every year That's kind of how I'm feeling I think I won in the beginning

And then you made your questions Really hard Oh then he figured If we're being fair We're being fair You've done a lot of You've done seasons On a lot of these artists

We've talked about it I don't have an encyclopedic memory I read a lot of shit Every day about Fucking all these artists All the time It's my whole life So some shit

Just does not retain But congratulations You won fair and square But let's jump up I'm excited to go nominations I'm super excited. Who wants to go first? Well, let's say, tell the listeners, because this is a, you know, not a lesser work, but there's only 10 tracks. Yeah.

We're only going to do one song each. So we're basically picking our last song standing from the jump here. I'm going to go, let me just go, I'll start it off. Shout out to Ring, Ring, Ring. Okay. Honorable mentioned Big Po. Song that really grew on me this time around. title track. I really like the title track. Don't tap the glass. Don't tap the glass.

Don't tap the glass. What's the second part of that song? Tweekin? I love that part. But I do like not to scurplay. I'm big pop. Yeah. I'm dick. I'm big pop. I really like Farrell's voice on there. It's like Chuck D impersonation or something. Once again, I do have to give Tyler a shout out. Whenever he gets like Farrell and Wayne or even a Kanye in the mix, Farrell hasn't sound this activated in a while. Two verses, he's talking to shit. Like, yeah, he got the best out of him on. That actually might be my favorite

Farrell feature on a Tyler project. Easily. But I'm going with, you know, someone to say the basic pick because it's the biggest song. But I'm going to sugar on my tongue. All right. So I was surprised you went with this. But after revisiting the project,

I was like, oh, man, this is. It's so good. It's so good, bro. And it exemplifies, I mean, you know, this song that I was thinking about a lot when I was trying to figure out how to talk about this song? Because a lot of these songs, I'm like, they are what they are, and that's kind of the point. You know what I mean? This is like a two-cord progression. Like, when I'm analyzing this song and I'm like, okay, Tyler's saying he's trying to make these fast.

He wants them to be upbeat and urgent, and that's his priority. If you analyze it with that in mind, you just. see that in the material itself because this is the two chords the entire song, which for Tyler, for a lot of people, that's fine. But for Tyler, that's really unique and rare. He's usually a lot of chords, modulations, bridges, but no, this is just one chord progression, or not even a progression, really, it's two chords the whole way through. And the way he develops it is like kind of what we talked about on Darling Eye, where it was

like he's at this point in his career so good about I want to make a song, an anti-monogamy song that is hearkening back to 2000s era R&B male-female collaborations. This one is like equally absurd premise that could go wrong like nine times out of 10, which is I want to make a song about oral sex and how much I love it. Sugar on my tongue is only about him eating pussy. And like, but the way he executes it is fucking flawless. And it's like you don't even like you know what he's talking about, but you don't ever,

you don't ever get the ick. You don't ever feel like, like it's super fun. He makes it like danceable. It's like great energy. But in terms of like trying to break stuff down, like, you know, he's talking about sugar on my tongue. I put I was like with sugar on my tongue.

That's my favorite part of the song where he delays the. drop like I think it's coming on the one he does the pause and then hits it on the two it's that was that was what made me like rethink the song when like because usually we talk about oh this is on my short list is on my short list so I went back to go listen and I was like that pause yeah makes the whole song it's and here's the thing that happens to dance music a lot but hearing tyler being able to do that the and I what I will always say is to me sometimes the best art is art that is about subtraction. And sugar on my tongue is a perfect example of like what happens when Tyler the creator

subtract, subtract, subtract, subtract, subtracts. Can it still be a Tyler record? Can it still remind you of all the things that make him great? And I do think sugar on my tongue does that. Yeah. And like, you know, it's also the thing where it's like it feels simple, but it's like every part of the song is kind of a hook because like even the first verse where he's like like sugar on my tongue, tongue, tongue.

So he's getting the repetition, sweet, sweet, sweet, which is just fun. to sing along to. Then you get to the pre-chorus, tell your mama, tell your daddy. Tell your mom. You can picture yourself on the dance floor shouting these things. Tell the world. Call in response. And then euphoric chorus, super simple, like sugar on my tongue.

Can I steal that from you? Which I think is a play on, can I borrow a cup of sugar? Yeah. But he's twisting it. Can I steal that from you? And then just like really funny lines in verse two, are you from Harlem? Make your arms and leg shake. talking about orgasm.

Give me that slice of cream. Is it your birthday? I got a brush. Give me your walls and I'll paint. All right. That's a cool. Come on. That's a little.

Don't need no air. I'll stay down there till I faint. And then the ad lib, girl, I'm dead. Do I want to hear Tyler talk about oral sex? Well, when I say it,

it sounds fucking awkward. But when he sings it, it's really fun. Anyways, I don't really have much other than that on this song. But I don't think we need to like do the brain. I think Tyler himself would be mad he's like, damn, these niggas dissecting one song off this for an hour.

So mine will also be brisk, but you know where I have to go. Yeah. This was on my short list too. I didn't want to spoil it though. I'm that guy trying to get my paper, baby. I'm that guy. This might be the best song. It's so good.

Incredible. All right. Where do I start? First, this to me is a perfect example of, I've talked about it a little bit, but where Tyler is at in his career and I think where he's at as a black man, sometimes I think it's very, very easy to not be embarrassed about what you're from. But when you're in a lot of white spaces, when you're in a lot of boardrooms, there is a thing where you're like code switching. And it's funny to me as Tyler gets older, the things maybe

that he would laugh at or he would poke fun at are the things that now he's like, no, no, this is cool. And you can tell from everything from just the type of clothes he's wearing, the chains he's wearing. It's very, very evocative of golden age hip hop and leather pants and the big like ducky chains and all that shit. And I love on this record. where when he says like, bro, it is, that is his L.A. accent popping out. I don't even know how to describe it, but especially since I've moved to the West Coast, there is a way of, there's a way that a lot of times, like, West Coast rappers and people from the West Coast pronounce a lot of their words, where you, like, even when he says, like, bank, bank, it is, it's very, um, there's this cacophonist sound. The consonant is very, very sharp or like, bro, where it is like you are both elongating. it, but saying it in such a way where sometimes it's alien to my East ghost ears or like, niggas, weird, bro.

Yeah, yeah. Very L.A. thing. And it's just, he talked about in this, in the creation of it, dance music, not just being like the four on the floor electronic music, just being inspired by swap meets and

driving around at car shows with his mom and house party culture. And to me, this is reminiscent of like, g funk and Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg the talk box is a guy. I'm going to say yeah. The talk box on this is fucking in. I thought never in a million years would I hear Tyler on a talk box. But he makes it work. He makes it to your point

like but it makes so much sense where you're like he grew up. Of course like Tyler would love that type of like sound and I will say rap. There's no other genre that does what hip hop does well is my homie joie from the Midnight Boys, Pupu is from Carson. And it's so funny, I was riding down there for his birthday party. And you're, like, passing all of these, like, historic places, like, Tams or whatever.

And I was driving down. I was like, oh, that's what. Kendrick was talking about that or I was talking about that. And you're like, these are just regular fucking places. Yeah, yeah. But they've been built up in the rap mythology so much that she's just like, oh, this is so iconic. So when he starts in the, there's that east side hotthorn ride down Elsa, Gond, no PCA. It's, Tyler never really talks like that. Yeah. So him getting in that bag and

being of that West Coast culture where whenever you talk about where you grew up, your street, you're making it seem so epic is just. And his, the rapping on verse one, dude, this is something like the best rapping I think he's ever done, or at least like to my ears just like so perfect. When he gets into that cadence where he's saying pocket full of chili like a toss. Oh, I love that line. Because he switches his cadence right there,

the whole thing where he's saying, hop off my dick, there's some hos in ears, odd future Wolfgang. There's the bros in here. It's so sick because that gives you that like kind of house party feel. Got my juice on, strong strap up.

We don't know you, nigga back up. Pockets fill of chili like it's hot sauce. Niggas that can silly just a pop off. This song is really fun. It's the one I want to hear the most on this project. After revisiting, I was like, oh, this is kind of the one. It is, I would love a full Tyler record of him really digging deep into like this.

Yeah. Level of his childhood. He's so good at it. I do, last but not least, I do have two questions for you. Okay. Are you the type of person to let women wear shoes in your house? We do take off our shoes in my house. So no. So you and Tyler are on the same.

But I would, but yeah, but I wouldn't force other people to. Like my parents shoes on in the house all the time. Really? Really. Yeah. I didn't, I grew up like that being normalized, but now I'm just like, it's kind of weird. I will say I grew up in a like choose on household. Now when I go into my house, I take my shoes off.

Yeah. But I'm never like to other people. Yeah, that's same with me. Okay. Justin, are you a shoes? Shoes off. Yeah. Shoes off.

But I think, you know, much like our parents' generation, we're like, oh, it's fine. You can drink a whole 12 pack of soda. Right. Yeah, right. I think the shoes on falls into that category, this weird boomer thing that they didn't, they didn't really figure out. I think younger generations, millennials, Gen Z, we've just figured out. Yeah, there's a no soda policy in my head.

No soda? Yeah. Shoes off. Shoes off. What else? We'll figure the rest of them. I will say I'm also a no soda household. Like once you learn how to read that label on the back and you realize how much sugar you're drinking, you're like never fucking again.

Actually, my 10 year old was reading the soda can on her Dr. Pepper. She's obsessed with Dr. Pepper right now. And she was like, 28 grams of sugar. And I was like, yeah, you bake now. You know how much that is. Like, imagine just dumping that into a soda can. She was like kind of blew her mind. It's, I will say when I drink so, if I ever drink a soda now, I'm just like, oh, I realize why.

You know what I like is the little like, what are they four ounce cans? The little mini cans. That's the perfect amount for me. Especially if you're like, I wish they had those little cans at the movie theater. Like a little can with some popcorn at the movie theater. Come on, bro. Also, my last question for you, are you the type of person to buy a chain before a couch? No.

You're buying the couch first. I'm practical. Once you're growing and sexy, I will tell you, motherfuckers don't realize how expensive couch is. Oh my God. It's like a car. A good? comfortable couch

is an investment. Here's the thing. I didn't get the 10 grand couch, but if I told you how much I spent on my couch, it's, but here's a thing, it's nice. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. So those are

our instant picks. Yeah. Justin, did we make the right ones? Anything that was speaking to you that we didn't shout out enough? I mean, first of all, I want to say sucker free. The second the song came on when I started re-listen to the album again, I'm like, Charles is going to

pick this song. Yeah. But it's also probably would have been my pick as well. The only other song that I just want to shout out. And Cole, I think you did as well, was I'll take care of you. That's, um, when the album first dropped, that was the one that I gravitated to her the most. Great song, you know, I already referenced a knock a few buck of it all, but great song. All right.

So let's take a quick break. And then we're going to do our final picks of the season, Lucy's and features. Oh, yeah. This episode is brought to you by Sierra Nevada Hazy Little Thing. If you saw the band when they played at the bar or stopped mid-festival to look at the stars, then you're ready to embrace the haze with hazy little thing. Citricy, smooth, and easy to drink, it pairs with nights that don't need a script. Brewed with the purest ingredients for finest quality,

there's a reason it's America's best-selling hazy IPA. Embrace the haze with Sierra Nevada hazy little thing. Enjoy responsibly. All right. we are back. So part two of the episode, we're doing anything Tyler Creator is featured on or released that is not on one of the nine albums that we covered. Okay.

Shout out to my favorite Tyler adjacent project, the Grinch soundtrack. Are you familiar with the Grinch soundtrack? Yes, and my ears will never listen to. Oh, my God, I love those songs. Me and my kids love those songs. Wait, did you take your kiss to see The Grinch? Yeah, they love that movie. Wow.

I live in who. I live in who, Ville, who are you? I got a dog. His name is Max. Coffee my cook. That is a fact. I was just snow. Ain't in a pool.

Wow. Maybe I'm biased, but those songs are really fun. My kids know those. I'll ask you this. Is there something that happens when you have kids where if they like a song, you're just like, you know what? I'm, I'm enjoying that you are experiencing art. It's part. Okay.

It's partly that. There are some songs that are just like a no, like an absolutely no in my car. But it's more I'll take what I can get. If they can, if they like a Tire of the Creator Grinch song, hey, more power to them. I can listen to some Tile the Creator with them and we'll have a good time together. Is it my favorite song by Tile the Creator? No, but I'm going to take what I can get. I'm going to listen to these.

Wait, what are the, what are the songs really quick that are like just a no in your car? mostly like the goofy like kids like meme songs that they want me to play i'm just like like internet meme youtube songs where you're just like yeah pretty much like if they like they like they really like cats eye right now i'm cool i'm cool with it you know what i mean ariana grande uh olivia rodrigo is the one that i'm like let's play that i'm like you and every other 40 year old they like the new charlie xx the new one yeah really i was surprised they like that they love Brat and now they really like the new one too. Okay. Do you guys like that record?

I honestly, once I heard the first single, I was like, you know, Charlie, I'm a, I'm a wait. I've been, here's the thing. Two albums released in the same time. I've been listening to the strokes one. Oh, I haven't, you see, I haven't tapped into that one yet. I love me some auto tune. Okay. Do you have you tapped into the Charlie? And the strokes. I much prefer the Charlie album. Um, I think the Charlie album is better than Brat. I've, I've heard this take. Some people are, it feels like a hot take, but I could, I, after like my third listen, I was like, it kind of is right up there for me. I don't want, again, do not want to derail the pod, but if we were doing a Charlie XX last song standing, the one with David Cronenberg, the last song, I think, could run away with this. And that's not just as a film head.

That is a, it is the best song released on a pop album. I didn't know she had that in. And that's counting. And Olivia Rodrigo album had a couple great songs. All right, you know what, I'm going to pop in there. I'm going to pop in with Charlie. Yeah, next episode, we're going to brainstorm. We're not going to commit to everything, but, you know, we are going to brainstorm next season and allows outstanding.

Charlie X, CX, I never even crossed my mind. Might be interesting. Olivia Rodriguez, I'd actually be really doubt for that. I don't know if my audience would be down for that. Shout out to Roderico. Okay. So let's go Lucy's first. Where are you going?

There's a big array. This is a huge Lucy's catalog. Tyler has a great B-sides. All right, I'm going with my heart here. I gotta go, what the fuck right now? I love this fucking record. Dropped around when life of Pablo came to a cover. came out. It's post-Cherrybomb pre-flower boy, 2016.

And what I love about this song is that Freestyle 4 is one of the best beats on Pablo, but it is at a point in Kanye's career where he's just, he had lost the fastball, I think. And I like Freestyle 4. I just was like, damn, I really wish somebody, like, got on this beat and was actually like fucking it up. Yeah. And Tyler is just, The perfect candidate for it. And you realize once you hear, you're just like, oh, this is a record that Tyler would immediately. Yeah.

It has everything. It's eerie. It's crunchy. It's subterranean. I love the video. Because once again, it harkens back to everything I love about Odd Future where it's just him. I think Jasper is there. Damos is there.

DAS is there. Rocky is there. They're in the fucking studio. They're fucking going crazy. sometimes when he's rapping, I'm like, all right, Tyler, this is getting a little respectability politics-ish, but you're not wrong. It's just sometimes I'm just like, all right, you're wagging your finger a little too much, like relax.

And on this, he's being funny about it, which I love. Like, what is, every single time I hear, I'm going, I hope you stack it. I hope you put some money to the side my nigga and paying your taxes. It makes me laugh when the beat drops and they all go crazy. It to me is some of Tyler's best rapping. I'm not going to belabor the point. It's just such a fun record. And there is something about when him and ASAP Rocky are next to each other,

where it just seems like they bring out the kid in each other. It was this is one of my favorite Tyler tracks ever. I understand it. I can't separate the song from the video also. It's like, it was such because it dropped with the video. I think it's only on YouTube. So he never released it anywhere else.

And so in my mind, I always picture, even if I'm just listening to the song, I picture to the video because it captures exactly where you're talking about. The part where Jasper does a backflip. It's funny because the song is like kind of long and they really start going crazy. And then they like, after a while, they have to like think a ways to one up themselves to keep the energy going. So Tyler's like jumping on the studio monitors and he's hanging from the boards. And then Jasper does the backflip.

So it's super fun. And then Tyler is kind of rapping his ass off. And here, let me just play you my favorite part of the song because I love this cadence. Grab the keyboard clets and cross my path. Catch my first check and said fuck the pressure. That's my favorite part, bro. It's so sick.

And yeah, I mean, there's not much to break down. It's just like, I love it's, I love the era of this because this is Tyler in transformation. But he still has that, it's like the last embers of the odd,

the real odd future energy. Yeah. Where a song like New Magic One is still aggressive Tyler, but it's not the same youthful aggression of an odd future. And I think we're getting, this might be the last kind of, I don't know, output of that energy. That's why that's the perfect way to put it. That's why I love it because it is, we talk about what are those type of records that

like closes a chapter. And to be, this does close a chapter where I'm like, okay, he knows where he's going with Flower Boy. He knows where he's going with Igor. but he just gives us one more. But it also speaks to the future where he'll come back to this on something like, call me if you get lost, that,

yo, I'm just rapping. I'm spitting. I just love that mixtape culture that he grew up on. It's like if I hear a beat and I really, really fuck with it. Yeah, exactly.

This is mine. Yeah. It's also funny hearing him at this stage, not being able to afford a La Ferrari. One of the lines, he's like, put the, he's like, says something like, I want a La Ferrari, but the price too high or bring the price down or whatever. And then by the time he gets it don't, don't tap the glass, I believe.

He has one or two, I think. Yeah, he has it in the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is just kind of cool to hear going back to a 2016 song. Um, okay, I think that's a great pick. Um, I'm going to also go for my first pick with a rocky collaboration. Hell yeah. I think, I mean, at this point where, you know, we've gone through the whole discography. Does he have the most. chemistry with ASAP Rocky in terms of collaborators, would you say? The only candidate that I think at this point, they don't have as many songs is probably I love whenever him and Charlie are together. To me, that is if ASAP Rocky gets the best out of him from a rap context, I think Charlie

Wilson gets the best out of him from an R&B context. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I agree with that. The only other one, I mean, to him and Tizo are two for two. We can't put tea I know I know I don't

Okay I'm going with Potato Salad Give me the cold Should I can speak for myself So I keep a hot waist And alligator the belt And got a belt with the host

I ain't playing games But got some little niggas Who would do it So I passed the controller Another song where to me I cannot I cannot take the video Out of my

Whenever I hear I'm like talking That video was just Seeing them together Is it Paris The Eiffel Tower Yeah The Jane Smith of it all.

If you look at the comments on the YouTube video, they're all about Jane Smith, not doing anything in the video. They're all really funny. Okay, so I do have a dissectable moment for this episode. And it has to do with the beat of potato salad. Okay. And as you know,

we have a sponsor of the most dissectable moment this season, Sierra Nevada. Oh, yeah. So it is now time for the most dissectable moment brought to you by Sierra Nevada. the makers of hazy little thing, America's best-selling IPA, Charles. It is hazy, citrusy and smooth, the beer for embracing the haze, for living in the moment. And so I'm thinking about living in the moment. I'm thinking about moments and music.

And the beat of this song has a very, do you know the original beat of potato salad what he's rapping on here? No. Maybe you'll know it if I play it. Let me just, I'll play you the original source of the beat and see you can recognize the artist You know the artist? You know the artist?

So Monica, 2003, songs called Knock Knock, produced by Kanye West and Missy Elliott. Like, come on. So there's a pretty cool story behind this beat. I'm going to just kind of trace through it. So the original sample

of not from Knock Knock that Kanye West sample is called, it's a terrible thing to waste your love by the masquerades. Ninety-seven. So smooth. So Kanye grabbed this originally for his own song called Apologize. Are you familiar

with this song? It was off of its early 2000s. It was a B-side that didn't make the college dropout and it ended up coming out on his mixtape freshman adjustment mixtape. So here's the original Kanye's sample and his rapping over it called Apologize. Man,

it must be more good women than men percentage wise. So what you're having a husband just minimized? That's why a lot of girls playing they into guys and mess with other. I forgot this song. He just did. Prime Kanye. Jesus is so good. Okay, so that ends up being a scrap song.

So he gives this beat to Monica. And then I think Missy Elliott produces. some of the vocals and stuff. So it might be one of the very few, if not the only. I didn't look it up, but Missy Elliott and Kanye West collaboration, production collaboration, fire. But before Tyler gets his hands on it, it goes through a number of artists. So Ray J, rapped or sung on this beat. Are you a fan of Ray J? 2008?

Who isn't a, a fan of Ray J? It's called Good Girl Gone Bad. See if you're familiar. Girls gone bad When a good Good Girls Come Bad She Oh geez

People are assholes Right up Quality song And then Jake Cole Raps on Knock Knock On his Mix tape

The Warmup from 2009 Uh Sometimes play the villain Sometimes play the hero Sometimes I be dealer Sometimes I be Primo Sometimes I be feeling I got a big ego

Other times A nigger swim around Like Nemo Small fish Pretty good I know you're not, you know, I know you're feeling I listen to the warm up. I remember all of these songs. Here's the, it's, I can

tell I'm getting old because you're like, do you remember this? I'm like, no. And then you'll play it. I was like, oh, oh gosh. Rush comes back. Also, Slim Thug. Shout out to Slim Thug. He raps on this sample on a song called Caddy music from 2010.

One deep in their leg, lay back cruising. Came a long way from that outside of Houston. Never thought one day. It's a little bounce. And so that's A dad I get rich out for making up a rap Mama watch a TV

Brother cookie crack And so that's around the time So Tyler gets on it with potato salad And then I'll just shout out That it appears again On a 2022 album by Shmino On a song called No Else I'm going to

I get high and stay hobo I don't like it sped up Not liking that one I don't like you there Yeah, I mean, it's a modern take on it. And I, yeah, it feels like that beat belongs in the early 2000s. Yeah. Yeah.

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Very cool sample history. It's almost like, Justin, we should do like an entire show about sample history and sample, you know what I mean? Teasing something that we're still working out. We can cut it. Anyways, okay, back to the song, potato salad. You like this song. Once again, it's when this dropped, I remember the feeling of, to me, Tyler has always had like a push and pull relationship with, like, hip hop. Pop heads or whatever and what potato salad drops, I think everybody was like, oh shit.

It's kind of, yeah, it's kind of crazy just how slowly and slowly Tyler gained respect from people that probably used to clown him. He could always rap. I do think part of the problem was Tyler is like a troll, like I'm a troll as well. And he's like a little bit of a trickster. The minute he would get like with yonkers, he would get like the backpackers on his side, he'd be like, ah, fuck yeah. Who has the better verse, Tyler or ASAP?

Damn, that's hard. I think it's Tyler. AASAP Rocky sounds so cool, though, but tech, they're both really good. I like Tyler's raps better. To your point, I think ASAP has a more classic rap voice that fits the sample better. Yeah, yeah. One of my favorite lines, maybe it's a surface level line people get in the moment, but for those that don't, just the whole PlayStation motif. of Tyler's verse where you're saying, I got a belt with the holster. I ain't playing games.

But some guys who would do it, I pass the controller. You get pressed and X'd out, triangle your nose, pause your life if you squares, try to mess with my O's. So naming all the PlayStation controller buttons. My favorite part of that line is triangle your nose, which means punching your nose until it flattens into a triangle. This is why I love hip hop. like wherever else would you ever hear anyone do something like that with you know it's so good and then my favorite is the decaprio cole spruces line he 2017 era tyler is like he loved white boys i mean i would say that is a running motif throughout his whole career yeah he he he shies away from being so maybe he just got tired of rapping about it but like because he talks about

oral sex now more than anything else i feel like sexually hey you know, he got he got the little porno mustache and it's just like, you know what, we're into the finer things. Did you watch the Sugar on My Tongue music video? No. Or he's in bondage gear. And then his tongue

Oh, I did want. And I was like, I'm And then the girl starts riding the big tongue. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not doing this with you. No. Obviously, anything else I want to shout out about this song. Oh, I love the, okay, the whipped cream motif. So when he sets up We get dollars given to bin baller, exchange them for some chains that's all shiny with thick water.

And then he says, I got back pains, neck heavy like whipped cream. So whip cream is made with heavy whipping cream. So he's playing on the heaviness of his chains. And then he says, my whip clean and they all white, I whip cream. So he drives white cars, cream cars. And then he says, and caught boys and I joystick, I whip cream. He's talking about jacking off white boys. And, until they cream or ejaculate. So triple entendre there was, I didn't need that one, but you down, but thank you, cool. You're not dissected?

I just wish I wasn't. Okay, and then one last thing I got to call out, because I love when rappers do this, where they acknowledge the history of a sample, very, very slyly. So at the end of his first verse, he says, where are we, Rocky, ASAP, golf boy, where are we at?

N word in Paris. So he's shouting out Kanye, watch the throne song. Because this track is produced by Kanye, him and ASAP recorded it and the music video in Paris, and Wang Sap, the duo, Tyler, and Rocky are a duo like Watch the Throne, Jay and Kanye. So just that one little thing is acknowledging the history of the track, which I just, I love when rappers do that. But again, not going to belabor it too much. Just a fun track, great beat, great rappers on it, having fun.

Oh, yeah. Classic hip hop. Okay. We already took our break. so we can go right into your next and final pick of the season. Any honorable mentions you want to give? Do you have a list? I can,

so before we get, if you don't have a list, I can just shout out a couple that we're not going to pick. Best interest. Okay. Really like that song. That song is like approaching a billion streams on Spotify, by the way.

Kind of crazy for a B-side. That guy over the, Hey Now beat. Oh yeah, dog. He killed that one. I was surprised you didn't go there. But I think,

Sucker Free is kind of in that world. Sucker Free is close to that. And also, if I'm going to be real, Tyler did get off on that one. It just is a little difficult when it's a Kendrick song where I'm like, come on. Right. Okay.

Okra. I love Okra. I love his flow in the beginning. Stuntman with Vince Staples. It's like a cash money throwback song off of the state sale. And What a Day. The Madlib beat. I know Justin really likes that song.

I wanted to shut that one out. Shocker. I like the one with the Madlid. Didn't see that coming. Those are my honorable mentions. I don't know if you have any or you can just go straight to you. When I was going through them, one that I was like, oh, man, we're not going to pick it because it is the most cliche pick.

And he doesn't have the best verse on it. But when I was going through like all the ones like, damn, I remember when oldie dropped. Oh, right. And that being also a moment where similar to Yonkers, I feel like Tyler, an odd future shut up a lot of the detractors. Right. So I want to give a special shout out to that, even though it would have been like a cliche pick, I do think that Tyler has always been very, very good at just the

minute you think that they're just some dumb kids who are like fucking making screamo fucking white boy rap. They drop an oldie. And I remember all the plot would be like, oh shit. Oh, tank. Yeah, I want to shout out that real quick. I'll shout out the clips feature. just as a full circle moment for Tyler,

him like stressing about that writing, he said he did like 70 takes of that verse because he wanted it perfect because it was, you know, obviously clips is such an influential. Here's a thing. That's a perfect segue. Oh, and do your pick?

Okay, let's go. Trouble on my mind. I got trouble on my mind. Dog produced by the Neptune's left brain. When this dropped, I remember just like not only loving the beat, I think you have to shout out push a tea. When you think about like early blog rap, push a tea was always the rapper that Chief Keith, like being like to Connie like, no, you need to listen to Keith. Collaborating with Tyler so early in his career.

Future. Just you could tell like push a tea loves staying. current with whatever's going on in rap and trouble on my mind. I remember when the video dropped, I think this was a moment where Tyler really, really shows up on this record. There is another universe where he gets completely washed. And not only do I think Tyler stays with push,

I think he arguably has the better verse. Oh, really? This is when like going back to this record. I was like, oh, Tyler was like 17, 18, like talking his shit when he does the part of my French. I'm going hard as my dick when I envision my tip on the crust of bitch lips. Mr. Lipschis has been tripping since I mentioned reptar triceratops dinosaur dick. Just.

Yeah, I guess now I didn't realize this is 2011. so Tyler would have been yeah just like kind of just popping off right I think this is around the goblin era yeah yeah so it's okay knowing that and then thinking about that versus the thing that startled me about this track when I knew you're going to pick this one um it was weird to because we've been going through the whole discography chronologically to then now it was kind of a shocker to hear him rap those kind of lyrics and that kind of voice I mean it works on the song and he he does keep up but like it was just a little bit of a it Even going back, even for me, because I was listening to sport, I was like, oh, he was so young. But I also think this was a perfect example of because this is a collaboration with the Neptunes and Left Brain, who was a producer in odd future, worked with Haji beats, especially as part of mellow hype. This is also a beat that is more crisp than anything that Tyler was really doing on his own. So you can see how obviously he is influenced by the Neptune. And when he gets on a beat that the Neptunes help produce, you could see I'm like, oh, Tyler is eventually going to get there. He just doesn't know how to yet. And just hearing also Pusha T, not having an ego about it, almost kind of allowing this to be more of a Tyler record. To me, this is not necessarily a beat that like Push a T would pick nine times out of 10. But seeing that alchemy and then to your point where they would go where they would eventually go. get with a clips record, um, is fascinating once again.

If people are like, you guys are brushing, there's, there's not much to like dissect in these. These were just, it's a record I remember being like, oh, shit. I don't care. Tyler has one. At this point, I was a huge push of tea fan. And also, it speaks to kind of just the circular nature of hip hop where we didn't know if we were ever going to get another clips record.

So all we got for. well, I was like push a T records, which was great. I love push a T. And seeing, you know, what? The Clips record released last year, Tyler finally getting the moment where I was like, all right. Yeah. I got one in with y'all. So good.

Yeah. Okay. All right. I like that pick. My pick, though, I'm going. I alluded to this a few times throughout this season. A song that, at least in my loose assessment of social media comments, has probably the most votes for last song.

standing. Okay. It is a B-side off of the estate sale. Sorry, not sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that the four minutes where you see a song could feel like a choice. I'm sorry. I'm you can. Sorry we ain't close. Says we should have been. Sorry to my own friends. Stories we could have wrote if I eagles didn't. This song is really, really good. Are you a fan of this song? I'm agnostic. I do not think this is a bad song. I think it is a very good song. It's not what I Does that surprise you that people love the song so much? No, because after watching the video, after you listening to it, I think this is a song where Tyler's just giving it to you straight,

where a lot of times we've talked about the masks and the characters. And to me, this is a, this is a perfect example of an artist as being like, I'm just going to tell you how it is. Yeah. Cool. Really great beat. It's kind of an odd. Not an odd beat, but it's a beat that sounds like it could have been produced by someone other than Tyler.

It's really sample heavy. And the thing I don't think people give Tyler enough credit for is his ability to sample. Because he doesn't sample in the traditional way where it's like I've talked about this throughout the season where it sounds like a sample. He always selects samples and then builds around samples to the point where it just sounds like a Tyler of the creator production. Sorry Not Sorry to me sounds like a mad lip type of beat, which is really. rare for Tyler. Just I'll quickly play the original. It comes from a song called He Made You Mine,

caught by the brighter side of darkness, 1978. There's a short-lived R&B brand from Chicago. So just how to has that classic hip-hop kind of sample feel to it. And once I dug into the chops, I thought it was just a few chops. He actually does eight chops from the song, which is kind of a lot,

especially for a beat that sounds so simple. And my favorite part is that he, and I think what makes this song really special is that he sampled this part of the song. That buildup, because what he does with this buildup is every time we hear that buildup, he gets into that really aggressive voice and that flow.

And it makes this song really dynamic because there's two kind of parts, two sides to it. And I think he's playing on this concept of sorry, not sorry, because he starts a song with sincere apologies. He apologizes to his mom saying, I'm sorry I don't see you more.

I'm sorry that the four minutes where you see your son could feel like a chore. And then he apologizes to his sister who we don't ever really hear about. I think a lot of people assume Tyler's an only child because he kind of has that energy. But he apologizes to his sister. He says, sis, I'm sorry that I'm your kin.

Sorry, we ain't close as we should have been. And then he says, sorry to odd future. He says, sorry to my old friends, old friends having the same initials as odd future, the stories we could have wrote if our egos didn't take the pen. So it starts very sincere. By the end of the song, he's talking, he's doing the sorry,

not sorry thing where he's speaking to people that criticize him or say that he's changed and all these things. So it has this nice balance of sincerity and kind of like sarcasticness in this apology theme. But I think what I like, like most is just how dynamic is rapping is. Rapping from different perspectives, which is really kind of highlighted in the video

where we see all his personas and a museum. By the end, they all kind of get killed off, which is tying into this tradition that Tyler, if you follow his career, he has music videos where he kills off every one of his characters.

Started with the Sam is Dead video. He did it here with Sorry Not Sorry. And then if you watch his Grammy performance for Don't Tap the Glass and Chromicoat. he kills off St. Chroma and Big Po at the end of the performance, which again is ushering in a new era. And he's just like rapping really well. Like what I'll highlight is the I think that what really, really makes the song, which is the outro, where he really almost does like a Kendrick-like switch of voice and just fucking taking the song to another level dynamically. Sorry not fuck him.

I got two words. Fuck them. Super dynamic song. Rapping is great. Multiple voices, multiple perspectives, sincerity, sarcasticness. It kind of gives you everything entirely creator in one package. And it's another one of those songs where I can't really detach the song from the video

because the video is so essential to understanding the concept and the multi kind of perspective aspect of the song. So why do you think fans are so attached to this? I mean, it is, I mean, it is still surprising. Even, even breaking it down. I don't know. I think the video was really impactful for Tyler's fan because you see his whole trajectory in one visualization. You see all the characters.

And so when you have that almost like a bit of nostalgia in there and you have him rapping really, really well and you have this great beat. I don't know. I think it just packages a lot of the things that we love about Tyler the creator in a single song. That's maybe why when I listen to the song and then I watch the video, I can see what people love in it. I think maybe this is just my taste as a critic. And I sometimes I do hate when Tyler the creator addresses the audience because it's bullshit. Like it just,

Tyler is like a fully fleshed human being. And obviously when I'm listening to his new albums, I'm never like, man, Tyler should go back to making shit like bastard. But I realize I'm in the minority with that where, because I do this for a living, I want to see what your next phase is.

I want to see like what you've been doing, what's important to you. And I could, if I'm giving Tyler like the credit, I could see for him as the artist. It's like, you don't see my DMs. You don't see my comments.

You don't see the amount of people that are still wearing old O-F merch who want to take photos. And then it just, I could see how that is just such a, it's such a mind fuck. Right. So I think this is a song obviously where he needs to make that where it's him being like, hey, guys, I'm going to change. And if I'm being real, I could see him even dropping the album like, don't tap the class where you can see. Like, that's not one of his biggest records. And a lot of that is because I think people have come to expect big bombastic, totemic works with bridges and everything.

And the minute Tyler does anything that's a little like off that track, he gets kind of judged and put into a box. Right. Yeah. And he's been pushing that, I think a part of that display in the museum is to say, like, I've been doing this my whole career. Yeah. I've been changing every album. I have new characters, every album. From the very beginning I've been doing this.

So, yeah, he doesn't get a little defensive in the song, but. Which is not a problem. No, I think it works. Yeah, I think it works for me. Justin, are you fan of the song? Do you have the people's, do you have any idea why this would resonate so much with people? Yeah, I think you guys kind of located it when you said that this sums up a lot of the things that makes Tyler great. And I just want to say in this, in this exercise of trying to figure out,

what is the defining title of the creator song? I do think if this appeared on maybe as the last song on Call Me If You Don't Get Lost Proper or if it appeared on Chromacopia somewhere, this would probably be in a more serious discussion for, and I'm not saying it isn't. You're pushing it on to the finale, right? But it's a song that I think all of us had to be like, wait, this song, right? Why is this resonating with the audience so much?

And I think it might just be simply because it was placed on this EP that was tacked on as kind of a deluxe for the previous album. I think it's a great song. And the more time I spend with it, the more time I go back to the base sale, the more it resonates with me. It's similar to Mother in that way to me where Tyler is actually very smart about how he sequences his projects. And I think a lot in a lot of projects, he will make a song that almost like, points to what the project is about. Yeah. And at the last one's kind of like, and to me, sorry, not sorry is one of those things

where I'm like, it really, really points to where he's at in his career, what he's thinking about. He's like opening up his mind where in other songs, he's a little bit. It's not as obvious. Yeah. All right. So let's get into, I guess, okay, well, we have to pick for our last song standing of the two that we nominated from the Lucy.

I'm not going to belaborate. I'm going sorry, not sorry. I'm doing what the fuck right now. Okay. All right. So our list is finalized. Let's read it out. You go first.

Okay. I got Bastard. She answer. Cherry bomb title track, garden shed, new magic wand, lumberjack, like him. And today we're adding sugar on my tongue. And sorry not sorry. Hell yeah. I got French yonkers, Bimmer, Buffalo, who that boy, gone, gone,

Thank you, Lemonhead, darling, I suck a free. And what the fuck right now? In our coaches challenge, we have earthquake and dog, that is, we're here. We're here. Next, next episode finale. So we'll place all these songs in a Royal Rumble. Yep. Have a little elimination tournament.

We're also going to do some retrospective conversational things, re-ranking our Tyler album after this exercise or, you know, the discography rankings. Mine has changed doing the exercise. So I'm excited to see where you guys has landed. We'll get the secret prize. Justin will reveal the trivia prize for us. It's going to be really fun.

Yeah, let's do it. All right. All right, we're back for the final cultural exchange of the season. I last episode assigned you a short story by Raymond Carver, where I'm calling from. Did you enjoy it, Charles? where I'm calling from might have been my favorite culture exchange of this entire season. Really?

Yeah. I love. I've been as part of people have heard as part of my journey just in terms of like being more centered. It's not just that I'm meditating more like working out more, just getting more in love with like I'm reading more plays, reading more short stories, reading more novels, just reading more. And I fall in love with short stories. And this one, I just incredible. It just, it does what I love in all art where it does not linger too long. It does not over explain itself.

It sets mood. It puts you in a place and you're just on the train. And when I finished, because the story is basically about, and you alluded to what I think last episode, these two characters that are drying out at essentially a rehab facility for alcoholism and just talking about the different ways that they became alcoholics and how it happened. And after reading Carver's short story, the thing that I'll take when I'm creating my own art and what I wish other people would take is that so many times, whether it's like horror movies or TV shows or whatever,

grief and addiction and everything is so front and center that it's like someone yelling at you what the point is where with this it's like of course this is a short story about drawing out but it's more so about like life and love and it's never overstaying it's welcome and that is the type of art that I just I can't get enough of it's like it has like the iceberg effect I think that's what it's called where it's like on the surface nothing really happens. Yeah. But you feel the weight of exactly what you're talking about underneath what is a very,

I don't know what the word is. Neutral story almost. I don't know. Like it's literally just about two guys having a conversation in a rehab facility telling stories. And it's about love and it's about luck because one of the characters tells a story about how we fell in love with his wife. She was a chimney sweep. the first time he gave a kiss for good luck.

And then at the end, the guy gets a kiss. It's just such a little, little thing. And I was just like, oh, it just gives you a spark while you're reading it. And I'm not even sure,

like I know what the story, the short story is about, but it's something if I talk about it too much, it almost loses some of its essence. Yeah. And that's what I, it is like that iceberg where I just felt so many emotions. And it,

the story didn't feel like it was, oh, this is why alcoholism is bad and looks what it does to everybody in your family and your friends. It does not have that. It doesn't treat addiction that way. It treats his characters. I'm like, these are nuanced characters who have done very, very bad things. And these are two guys. And it's not just them.

There's the story I forget of his name. Like he's like a big fat gentleman. Oh, the guy that owns the. Yeah, who has a seizure and he's supposed to go home. Oh, right. Yeah. And he gets skate, like he has this fear now of going back home. And there's those little moments.

There's the guy who runs the, uh, the rehab facility and the cake that he brings. And he keeps talking about if you want help, if you want help. Yeah. It's just because alcoholism runs in my family. And I, that's probably why I just related to it so much. Because when you're surrounded by it, you do have this sense of when, when you're talking to addicts when when you're loving people who are struggling with addiction like no no no this is a human i know you at your worst and i know you at your best you were not this one thing you had a

whole life even amidst the hurt maybe that you perpetrated and he was just like yeah there's easily just great great fucking yeah it's also like two people or a lot all these people coming together at a crossroad of change in their life yeah i mean that's something i always really find I get really emotional about those kind of things where it's like people trying to be better. And that's the premise. That's kind of the premise of the whole thing where all these people coming together trying to turn their life around. Some fail and some, you know, some do it. Because there's the crossroads of he keeps being like, he wants to call his wife who he's estranged from.

But he also has this girlfriend who drops him off. They're both drunk. They're both drunk. Yeah. And the, like, there's this poll. There's this moral pull where he wants to call his wife. That is the right decision. He doesn't want to call the girlfriend.

And it's like, you can tell it's not hard to like the girlfriend. There is a dick shape. Yeah. It is the same. It is like someone who like because his girlfriend is dealing with like a terminal illness. And there it's there. You don't have to over explain. It's like over there is like death and destruction.

Yeah. And two people who don't want each other to be better. They want to wallow in the fact that like. the nihilism of life. And over here is like, if I reach out, even if she does not return my call, I'm doing the harder thing. Yeah.

I think we both, that and art is the thing world. I love that. I know. It's so, yeah, there's just so much depth and nuance and, again,

on the surface, it just seems like so simple. And every one of his stories are like this. So if you like that story, I would suggest just picking up one of his collections of short stories and just read one a week and like, you'll love it.

Hell yeah. All right. So we didn't really talk about this. before the episode, but we're recording these just to give people a little inside scoop here back to back. So we're about to record the finale. So I don't really have a time for another culture exchange. No. But I did plan ahead. And I have something, I have a surprise for you. Oh, surprise. A cultural exchange surprise that I'm going to reveal next episode. Shit. Hell yeah. I'm excited. Yo, let's get to the next episode already. All right.