Dissect - Kendrick vs. Drake: Instant Reaction (PART 1)

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Cole is joined by The Ringer's Charles Holmes and Justin Sayles to discuss the weekend's sudden and chaotic crescendo of the ongoing beef between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. They talk through the timeline events, discuss each track, and declare a winner. Finally, they rank their top 3 songs of the beef. Our current season on MF DOOM will resume next Tuesday, May 14th. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome everyone to a special episode of Dysect. I'm your host, Cole Kishna. I am respectfully putting a temporary pause on our current season on MF Doom and Mad Villany to discuss one of the wildest weekends I have ever experienced in terms of music. Of course, talking about Drake and Kendrick Amars' ongoing feud that erupted in epic proportion this weekend. Barring any dramatic events that might occur this week, I will be resuming the MF Doom season next week. week. But for now, we're going to do a two-part episode today. Part one, which you are listening to right now, is a conversation between myself and the ringers, Justin Sales, and Charles Holmes. We go through the main timeline of events and songs, mostly focusing on this past weekend, giving our opinions, we try to declare a winner at the end, and we cap it off by ranking our favorite three tracks that came from this beef. Part two, which is also available right now,

is a line-by-line dissection of Kendrick Lamar's euphoria. Yes, I couldn't help myself. I started working on it essentially immediately after it came out before the events occurred this weekend, but it's all a valid analysis. And if you're a fan of Kendrick Lamar, I think you'll definitely enjoy that episode. There are some really great references on Tondra's wordplay, some really great stuff I think you'll enjoy. I was surprised by many of the findings.

So I hope you guys enjoy both parts. It's been one hell of a week. that's for sure. And again, we're going to resume our doom season next week, next Tuesday. But in the meantime, here's my conversation with Justin Sales and Charles Holmes. All right, it is 2 p.m. West Coast time on Monday afternoon. As of right now, Kendrick Lamar has not responded to Drake's latest disc track, The Heart Part 6. I'm here with Justin Sales, the music lead for The Ringer, and Charles Holmes, as you guys know, from Last Song Standing.

also a part of the Midnight Boys. We are here to discuss I think what is one of the most significant music history events that will probably experience in our lifetime. We're going to go through the timeline of events. We're going to get our takes. We're going to maybe determine a webinar at the end.

But first, let's just get a temperature check. How are you guys feeling? Charles, let's start with you. Welcome back to the show. And what are you feeling? Uh, thank you for having me. There are times in a career, you know. There are times in a career, especially at the ringer where, you know, the machine is

going to get its blood. And we have not only the music lead, but my editor on this podcast. And my life has been ruined. I did you not? I was like getting fucked up on the weekend, waking up hungover with text being like, when you wake up, Charles, hit me up. So I would be like writing hungover. I'm like, I'm going to take it.

take a nap and then I'd wake up again and just be like, Kendrick dropped again. And I was like, I almost threw my phone. I was like, fuck. I'll be done. But you want to know how I feel now, uh, Cole? Yeah. Freaky ass nigger. He is 69. Yeah. He has 69. God. This is, I lived in LA for five, almost six months now. This weekend is the first weekend where I played a willingly played a Kendrick track in my car, blasted it and rolled down the windows. And like, we're here. You have no idea as you know my,

my fandom for Kendrick Lamar and you know our history. That makes me so happy. I know that's why I'm so happy. Justin, how much you? Well, first of all, I'm prepared for Charles to drop his diss song to me at some point in his episode. So we go that going for us. I'm happy to be here

and I'm happy to be here to discuss a rat beef with Cole Kushner where we get to discuss things like A minor and B sharp A minor! I mean like Charles

did you ever think we see the day where it's like this the rat beef has gotten so specifically into Cole's wheelhouse that we're going to break out the MIDI controller maybe are we?

I mean there was it's so funny because seeing we being Cole's colleagues and friends, I get to see him breaking down stuff in real time and there was one part of our group channel or Cole is like, yo guys, the song is in a minor, and then you're like, actually, it's not.

This is Cole to a T, bro. Oh, I got so excited. Yeah, he drops the A minor line and I was doing the key, to check the key of the song I was doing on my phone, half these songs I listened to because they came out so late when I was putting my girls to bed. So like literally I had headphones on listening to these discracks

while I'm laying next to my daughter put here to bed. So it's like the circumstances under which I've been trying to dissect and analyze has just been completely wild. I think, go ahead. Cole, really quick, I have to ask, what is the experience like of tucking your children in while Meet the Grams is playing in your headphones? No, we're going to get there.

Specifically that, because that one I did, I was literally, not to get too personal, but I was putting my, I lay with my youngest daughter and wait for her to go to sleep before I leave the room. And I listened to that song, in the dark, in the room. It was awful. That sounds terrible. It was not pleasant. We'll get there. But that was a dark moment just in general. So, but there's been highs and lows.

We'll talk about them all. Let's just get into the timeline. So we're going to spend the majority of our time on this past weekend, but we got to kind of set that up. So October 6, 2003, Drake and J. Cole released first person shooter. This is the inciting incident. We didn't know it back then, but everything can be traced back. For this specific blowup, I think everything can be traced back to first person shooter. and Jay Cole and Drake teaming up and kind of gloating about their dominance of hip hop.

Six months later, we get Metro Boomin and Futures album, We Don't Trust You, which of course features like that. This is March 22nd and all hell breaks loose. April 5th, Jay Cole is the first one to respond to like that with seven-minute drill. Two days later, he apologized. He's not going to spend too much time on this because he apologized. because the apology was clowned in the moment, but it's looking better and better as time has progressed. And then we get the real response, I think everyone was waiting for.

April 13th, Drake's push-ups, and a rough draft of it leaks online, which then pushes Drake to release the actual finished version to act on streaming. less like about five days later it goes officially to streaming on April 19th and this feels like the first major thing I want to talk to you guys about is Drake's first response so the main angle he took on Kendrick was this relationship between Kendrick and Top Dog and Kendrick claiming he was being exploited while on TDE he also kind of was poking fun at Kendrick being short uh he also takes AIM at Future Metro Weekend, Rick Ross. Jomaran.

Jomaran. Jomaran. Jammarand. Which is the Jomaran. If you do some research on it, you're like, that probably wasn't the greatest shot to take. Yeah, to call attention on that. So let's pause here.

Justin, what did you think about push-ups in the moment? And now that it's aged, what are your thoughts on specifically push-ups? Did it work? Is it a good song? What are your thoughts? When it dropped in the group chat and shot out Logan Murdoch, who was on the group chat with us from real ones.

I think I was higher on this song than everyone immediately. I thought it worked. I thought that there were a lot of really clever lines. I thought, especially when the finished version dropped later that afternoon with the beat that kind of interpolated Biggie's What's Beef. I thought this was a good song. I thought it was curious that he removed some of the more interesting lines from the original version, like some of the ones fired at Rick Ross.

I really thought in that moment that if this was going to turn into an all-out bloodbath, which it did, I thought that Drake had a chance to win. I didn't think that we can get into, we'll get into this. Are we going to get into this? I don't see it on the timeline, so I'll get into this right now.

Within three hours, I did not think that, though, because the second that Rick Ross dropped. And you just, Rick Ross dropped and of course had that monologue at the end and I mean he's saying a lot of things that

you know he was calling Drake a white boy a lot and saying a lot of Chevy white boy hanging out from the park with the niggas white boy thank you thank you for the assist on that one but it was really

the part that did it for me was the you got the surgery those aren't real abs the you wear you know you got your dockers with no under we're on. It was like, you realize in that moment that it doesn't matter how well Drake wraps. He's going to have this uphill battle because he is the most clownable man ever. And I didn't know if Kendrick had it in him to do what he eventually did.

But I was like just simply the Rick Ross of this, Drake cannot go at somebody who's funnier than him. He just, he's too clownable. He's going to lose this. Charles, what do you think of push-ups? all right so as the only uh rap writer alive that is uncompromised by this whole thing always truthful non-biased never picks aside uh pushups was never the record and people wanted pushups to be the record so bad they were it was we've been waiting for this for over a decade right and i think when pushups drops i was like this is not a bad song but a i think the genius of what metro what metro what Boom in the Future did is they divided Drake's attention already.

So the funniest line on pushups is Metro shut your whole ass up and play some drums. Like that's way funnier than anything he says about Kendrick. And most of the stuff he says about Kendrick, like, yeah, we know Kendrick is short and he has a, like you knowing his shoe size is also kind of weird a little bit. But I always felt like pushups just also in terms of like that felt lesser because you. Because Drake is supposed to be the artist that makes the hit. Just something you hear everywhere. And push-ups was not like that.

I think it debuted on number 19 on the Hot 100. And I would honestly say push-ups has almost kind of been lost to history already. Like we don't even talk about it anymore. I do like that we're already talking about dividing the attention like Drake is Germany in World War II. Like you can't fight a battle on all these fronts and expect to win. It's 20v-1 according to him. It's 21. I know, but...

Sorry. Yeah, I think, I mean, for me, push-ups in the moment, I thought it was good. I thought it was given the task of aiming at everyone, which he had to do at that point, I think he accomplished in an opening round, and definitely in retrospect, in opening round, it was a solid effort. It felt like jabs, and it turned out to be jabs. But I thought it worked. I think it's a solid song, but Charles, I think you're...

you're dead on in that it hasn't really hit in the way like a back-to-back, although that's obviously that's a high bar, but it just hasn't sustained in a way that like that has throughout all of this. I would even say euphoria has, not to step on that, but it's like, that was the next response. And if we're just looking at the streaming numbers and like where things are debuting, yeah, push-ups kind of got stepped on a lot.

And I think the main angle he took was a fly. flawed one and it didn't, I feel like I'd be interested to hear you guys' thoughts. I don't think it landed in the way that maybe he thought it would in terms of Kendrick was being extorted. Top was taking 50% of his royalties. Even if he didn't know the fact that Kendrick was out of that deal at the time, which is true, the whole extortion thing didn't really register to me personally and it didn't seem like widely did either. Justin, what do you think about that part of it? I thought he took the wrong lesson from Puscher T's story of Adidon. I thought he heard the M's count differ and baby divide the pie and it's like, ah, that's how I'll get him.

Oh, right. This is, this line, these lines about Top Dog and Kendrick's contract are coming from a guy who was signed to Baby's label. This was, like this. Sign to another nigga that signed to two next to now. That's just bad luck. I mean, it's signed to Wayne, signed to Burnman, signed to Universal. So if you're making the case, it's the same thing as TDE Interscope Universal. It all funnels back to the same shit.

It's crazy. And like, I know these guys have both evolved past their initial deals, right? Like, they are both, like, wildly successful. But that's also the thing. Kendrick had already moved past the deal. Mr. Morales was his last deal with TDE. He isn't even, um, this, Kendrick's still. distributed by universal, right? Because there is the, okay. Both of them. But I think they both

probably have, maybe not monetarily, but similar deals where I'm like, you both are just signed straight to the label now. So it's, who cares? They're both under licensing agreements. It sounds like they own their masters and this is a very common now. So it's, yeah, so I'm like, why would the general public give a fuck about royalty splits and deals that are not even on the table anymore? It just seemed like a massive miscalculation from true. I think. I think, think the rollout, you know, not to get too granular about it, but like I do think the leak, the speculation of AI, then him having to rush the release through ACC didn't help his case, didn't help the impact of it, right? So just strategically, we're going to talk about strategy

a lot. That felt like a miss where it could have been a bigger moment had it been a little bit cleaner of a release. And I think that kind of deadens some of the impact as well. Do you have anything more on push-ups before I move on? No, you mentioned ACC. I just want to know if we're going to be discussing Axe's inbox in his door-dash orders. I mean, as for reference, those that I don't know, he accidentally pulled up his email on stream yesterday, I guess, and like it's just literally door-decked. Door-dash orders. As an editor who's been brought up through the Bill Simmons farm system, I nearly hit up

Charles or another writer and was like, I want you to do a running diary of this weekend. a fake one from the perspective of academics using his DoorDash orders as a timestamp. Come on, that would have been a good blog, Charles. I'm not giving an act anymore. No, no. I still have a soul.

It's not worth the content, Justin. All right, one thing I'll just point out that I think is going to be important just to remind people, in push-ups, Drake says, I be with some bodyguards like Whitney. This line is the allusion to Kendrick Lamar's partner, former fiancé. The status of the relationship is unknown, but it is alluding to her. A lot of people took it as a claim or an allusion to Whitney cheating on Kendrick with one of her bodyguards.

It turns out, in my estimation, that this is actually her alluding to Whitney being like Whitney Houston. who was abused by, why am I blanking on his name? Oh, Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown, sorry. And so in retrospect, I think that was a very, very strategic little seed that Drake planted. That Kendrick would 100% understand. But we misinterpreted the line as him saying, like, oh, Whitney Houston in the movie slept with her bodyguard.

Well, that's the entendre, of course. but what we speculated what Drake meant was wrong. Most people speculated that the Entangor was the Whitney Houston bodyguard wordplay but also

that Whitney cheated on Kendrick with body I mean could it also be the day free angle that he was like day free is obviously not Kendrick's bodyguard but someone in his crew

yeah we should save this for family matters yeah so we're not going to spend a lot of unless you guys want to but I don't want to spend much more than we have to on Taylor Made Freestyle. April 24th,

11 days after push-ups. We get Taylor Made Freestyle. Everyone knows he uses AI to imitate Tupac and Snoop and then has a third verse as himself, essentially taunting Kendrick because he hasn't responded. It's been 11 days and uses

these hip-hop legends that West Coast legends that we know Kendrick and Myers to taunt him. It was gross and didn't work. It was gross. It was another miscalculation, and I do think the only thing I have to say about this is I remember people cheering on Drake. Like, oh, no, Drake, like, at least my time when I was like, this is hilarious.

Drake is doing the thing. And I'm just like, guys, if Drake has to do AI, Tupac vocals to needle at Kendrick, once again, he was waiting for Kendrick to drop. And I was like, maybe you should have just been in the studio making some better songs. because once again he was on the back foot. Once Kendrick came outside, it got to a point where we're like, all right, Kendrick's enough. Stop, stop, stop.

It's good. Like, he's dead. So Taylor made is probably, was my first inclination where I'm like, I don't think Drake is funny enough to win this beef. And I don't actually know if he's respecting Kendrick

enough as an opponent to really just play it cool. I thought that if you had told me like five years ago, that Drake did something like this, I would have been like, oh, that sounds like that might have been funny. But to watch it play out in real time and in practice was really pathetic. Like, I, the only thing I got out of this was, oh, Drake is nervous. Like, Drake is, it just came across as so insecure. He didn't need to drop the song. You can argue that maybe he was trying to

bait Kendrick into responding, but I don't know. That didn't really work out for him. Yeah, in retrospect, it seems to me like an objective failure, especially considering the fact that a couple days later, Tupac's estate writes a pretty scathing letter and forces him to take it down. He does delete it from his IG, which to me is just an automatic loss. So strategically not the best move. Yeah, anytime the lawyers have to tell you to take down your diss track, you're probably not doing well. Yeah. Yeah, it just seems short-sighted. fast forward to April 30th, about six days after Taylor made, and 17 days after push-ups, we get Kendrick Amar's first official response in Euphoria. This is a six-minute, three-part dismantling of Drake's personal character.

I guess the central angles he takes, essentially using this motif of Drake being an actor, a fraud. he undermines his blackness he undermines the legitimacy of Canada imitating American music and culture he predicts that Drake will fabricate stories about his life and his next response and also makes it pretty clear that Kendrick is willing to keep things friendly and personal

but warns that if you talk about my family specifically we're going to another level so I'll ask you the same question Justin let's start with you this time what do you think about euphoria then now as a song what are your thoughts do you want my thoughts as a listener

or as a person who plans music coverage at the at the ringer because let's get let's do let's do both if you don't mind because that's going to be my take because I'm going to give you my take as a fan and as someone that's trying to stay objective so well I mean I'm not even talking about the objectivity

but just from a simple perspective of the second he responded, I knew that this meant that Drake was going to respond soon. And so I knew that the second this song dropped, we were on the clock. And I kind of had a feeling that things were going to head to where they had headed this weekend, where they went this weekend.

That song dropped very early in the morning on the West Coast. It dropped at like 8 a.m. at first, I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about it. I didn't love the beat. I was trying to listen on some busted laptop speakers on a MacBook that if anybody from Spotify, IT's listening, I need a new one. So just holler. You can find me on Slack. But when I finally get around to listening to it later that afternoon, I was like, oh, he's got something here.

This is not a career ender. This is not the end of this. This is not going to end this beef. this is not as vicious as you can get. But this is a really good diss song. And I'll just say this. I'll do a little plug because some of your listeners

might not visit the ringer.com. On Tuesday, the day that this pod is going up, we're putting up a massive disc track ranking of all the disc tracks, all the great disc tracks in rap history. And I had it at like number 33, 34. I'm like, it's that good, but it's not like the knockout blow.

not what I thought was going to win this decisively for Kendrick. But I don't know. There was something about the pure hatred that he exposed in this. I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, the way that you dress. That is an energy that you don't see ever coming out of Drake. that I didn't know we were going to get out of Kendrick. It probably should have been a sign of where we're heading this weekend. But I don't know. I think it's a great disc track that is probably also going to be kind of lost after what happened in the last few days. Charles, what do you think?

Fine. Like, here's the thing. It's a good... Euphoria is a good disc song, but I felt that with push-ups and euphoria, it still felt, it still felt like both of these guys had their finger over the nuclear codes and neither wanted to press it first. Yeah. Where I was just like, I give Euphoria more credit because I never thought I'd say this, but Kendrick, I think it might be naturally more funny than Drake. Like, I still hear people saying, is it the braids?

Like, it's just so, I think you can tell kind of what cloth Kendrick is cut from, where Like, he loves battle rap. He loved, like, here's a thing. We know what Dennis Graham looks like. And still, Kendrick ending on, we don't want to use a nigga no more. Like, it's, it's so dumb, but it's effective. And I think that was, euphoria was the sign for me where at first I was like, this is kind of mid.

And then I, like, got a haircut. And, like, my barber and I were like, yeah, it's not doing that much. But we're like, let's just play it one more time to see. and he plays it and I go actually this is a lot more effective the longer I listen to it I think that's the one thing I'll say is when I finally get around listening to it like later that day

when it dropped on Spotify I heard it in headphones and I finally got a chance to sit with it and listen to it a couple times it hits so much harder and I'll just say that I think this is a perfect example of the difference between Kendrick and Drake right where

a song like push-ups you're going to get on one or two listens and me as a Kendrick fan and having studied his music pretty extensively in the past seven years you know his obviously his music offers layers and it in my opinion gets better with each listen I actually thought had similar thoughts on initial impression just the first listen of like not actually sure what I felt about it but the more and more I listened to it and especially after doing a line by line day section of it last week. Just as a Kendrick fan, I'll say at this point in the beef, like, I was so happy to get a six-minute song from Kendrick Lamar. You forget from a Kendrick's fan perspective, getting

music from him is few and far between. So to get, regardless if he's going at Drake the whole song, to get a six-minute three-part lyrical and delivery display like this in this epic fashion, as a fan, I was very much quenched and just happy to have a new Kendrick Lamar song. Strategically, I agree with both of you. It just felt like jabs. It felt like I'm going to get personal in spots, but for the most part, I'm just attacking your character. This is all fair game in a battle like this. It's pretty standard stuff.

Didn't get too personal with family or revealing any kind of details. didn't really allude to I mean he alluded to the some of the grooming allegations but just in very subtle ways never outright saying it obviously like the euphoria title I talk about a lot

if you listen to the second part of this episode I talk about a lot but it's never it's not like not like us where it's just outright making claims and so to me strategically and he does very much and very transparently warn

at the very end of the song I'm drawing a line in the sand and that line is my family and if you talk about my family we're taking this to a dark place but I'm happy to keep this a friendly spar he says that pretty directly

and so just from a strategy in terms of this thing pushing forward there was a line in the sand drawn which unless you guys have anything else on euphoria I have one more thought that one of the things about this battle to me

it's the first major, major, major, rap battle in the Stan era, right? It is obviously like there were people who were JZ fans and the people who were Nas fans or people who were Tupac fans or people who were Biggie fans and like there wasn't anything you could do to move some of those people off of what they believed. But we are so firmly entrenched in that right now

where just people fight on social media for the artists that they stand for. And I think to this point in the battle, it felt like we were never going to get a true winner because everybody went in with their mind made up on either they are a Drake fan or a Kendrick fan or possibly not even a Kendrick fan, but just a massive Drake hater.

It doesn't seem like there were a lot of Kendrick haters out there. It doesn't seem like there was anybody just frothing at the opportunity to jump on Kendrick. But there certainly was with Drake. And I think after euphoria, I was kind of left in a place of like, this is going to go on forever because nobody's ever going to move off of, no, my guy won, no, this guy won, right? It just like, euphoria was very good. And after a couple listens, it was clearly better than push-ups.

But it didn't feel like anything was going to be able to move the needle. And I think that's a transition to where we went next. Yeah. And quickly before I get there, just so you have push-ups or you have. euphoria over pushups at this point. Absolutely. Absolutely. If you're already is a better record than push-ups. Not by much to me, but there is a gap.

It also had the ether effect for me where when I first heard it, I'm like, this beat is awful. And then by like the third or fourth list, and I'm like, actually this beat's kind of hard. That's exactly, that was my experience of it too. All right, guys. Let's not lie. Kendrick won. Let's not lie. All right.

Please. Jeez. Okay. Now we are the morning of May 3rd. We are three days after Euphoria. This is Friday morning. Kendrick drops an Instagram-only track called 616 in L.A. There's a bunch of conspiracy theories about what those numbers mean.

I'm not doing that in this episode, maybe in a later date. But this to me was the response to Taylor made in terms of function. This is essentially Kendrick taunting Drake a little bit. And the big reveal here is that he plants, he plants the seed that he has a contact or two inside of OVO's camp. That is giving him information and a photograph that we now know. Well, we'll talk about the photograph a little bit later. But that was the main gist.

It was just a little, a little taunt, a little jab. I don't know how much you guys want to talk about it. but it kind of dissipates after what happens in the evening of the same day. But Justin, you want to say something? I basically forget the song exists. Sam. Yeah. It's like Taylor.

The only reason we remember Taylor made is because of the AI shenanigans. And I think this song is slight in a similar way where it was like I was starting to get annoyed at this point where I'm like, you guys are so afraid of either going first. It was like, who's going to go first? Exactly. You know? And I was just like, it wasn't until I think tonight, the record that dropped later that night where I was like, fucking final, somebody finally pulled the trigger fucking first. Jeez. Yeah.

So we are now at the evening of May 3rd and Drake drops Family Matter. This is a seven and a half minute song with a video, which I thought was kind of a twist for me at least. I wasn't expecting someone to have a video, a seven and a half minute video, nonetheless. It's a three-part song, just like Euphoria. In the video, he destroys a replica van of the Good Kid Mad City van. He flunts Farrell's jewelry. He flunts Tupac's ring. He eats at Newho King, Chinese restaurant in Toronto.

The big claims are that he accuses Kendrick of physically assaulting his partner and claims that Dave Free, Kendrick's very good friend and close collaborator and co-founder of PG-Lang, is the father or might be the father of one of his children. He takes shots at Rocky Weekend, Ross and Farrell. And importantly, I would say, just in terms of tracking this mole connection, that he does not make any mention of planting any kind of seeds of misinformation in Kendrick's camp in this song. So, Charles, what was your impression of Family Matters on the night it came out? I was already so exhausted.

I was like, this sucks. I just, I'm going to be honest. Charles, you were at a comedy club and we're texting you about it. You guys were blowing up my phone.

I'm not like a comedy show and you're just like, yo, Drake just dropped. And I'm like, oh God. And then it was literally like, half hour. Like,

you're like, yo, Kendrick dropped. And I was like, I literally got into my car and I played both of them and I was like, fuck these two rappers. Did you have a date with you and you had to play though? No.

I did not. Luckily. But like there was, there was a time when I was like, am I going to look like a herb if I just put my, like my AirPods in right now? So listen to it after. I'm just, I'm just laughing at the idea of somebody having to be on a date and be like, I got to listen to Meet the Grams for work. So here's the thing. The song, Family Matters has grown on me in a way where I was like, if Kendrick had waited and did not step on it 30 minutes. later, I think Family Matters would have been a really decisive blow because what Drake is alleging

is very just like, it is a bomb. And I think you guys were sending me like some of the lyrics and whatever. I'm like, how does Kendrick come back from this? I honestly think there was a couple things where he fucked up. The song is too long. I don't know why both of them keep doing this during this dis, but I'm like, can we get like a three or four minute song? Why are all the song seven or eight minutes, why do they all have two or three beat switches. It does seem like, at least to this point, I kind of got the feeling where a lot of these beat switches, these were not the same song or they were like searching for that energy. And I was just like, guys, just pick one. And I think Drake probably wouldn't have lost that bad if he would have split

this in half and had something to respond to meet the grams with. But I think that this is quite easily the best Drake response of this whole entire thing. It just unfortunately got stepped on. Also, it's not great that once again, Drake goes way harder on Rocky at the weekend. Then he goes on at fucking, I was like, dog, focus. But like the shit he says about Rocky is just,

it's fantastic. It is, the shit he says about Rocky is amazing. I cannot, Rocky him talk a shit again. You know, it's so fucking good. But also, and this, It's starting off. Kedrick just opened his mouth.

Someone hand in the Grammy right now. That is so fun. I was like, I'm going to screenshot this and send this to Cole. That's a good line. That's a good line. For sure. Yeah, definitely.

Family Matters is a really good disc record. I think that if it had ear to breathe, we'd be, like, if Kendrick had not dropped and we had a weekend to talk about this, the entire complexion of this battle would be different. The stuff he's saying in there is not just about the Dave Free stuff. And I look, look, I think, oh, we always have to be careful when we're like talking about things in terms of a rap feud.

And they start talking about these very ugly things like domestic abuse. And like, I'm not, I don't want to talk about the claims. I don't want to be like, oh, he got him good by dude. Like, it gets really ugly, really quickly. But there is also some piercing of the. Kendrick Lamar persona in some ways that I didn't really think Drake was capable of or like quite frankly had like the ability to try to do and maybe he didn't but you know kind of talking about trying to turn the tables on Kendrick and talk about actually you're the one that courts approval from

the white audience or you're the one who actually is struggling with your racial identity because this is stuff that Kendrick has obviously used against Drake that a lot of people have used against Drake. And for him to do that, I thought was, look, it's not my place to say whether it landed or not, but there was something about it that's like, huh, okay, Drake is doing something that he's going to a place I wasn't expecting him to go to. And the terms of this battle have changed. And there's a good shot Drake could actually do some legitimate damage to Kendrick's career. that's what I felt in the moment. Yeah, I, well, yeah, I, I was like 10 minutes late to watching Family Matters after it dropped.

And so by the time that I finished that, literally Kendrick dropped as soon as I finished watching. So I had no time to process it in the moment as its own piece without the counter, right? But I can imagine exactly what you're saying, Justin. This does feel like it could have been a huge bomb. if there was an counter. I think where, and I'm just, I agree with everything you guys have said about it. So I'll just add that,

we'll add on to your point, Charles, and that it's too long. And he, I mean, this is my bias showing, but he's not as, euphoria has a flow and it has, it's very clearly set up in these structures. The intensity increases throughout the entire thing. Like, it's very well-planned,

six-minute three-piece song, whereas Family Matters feels like a collage of songs he had that he kind of just spliced together. And so you don't get that a cumulative effect that I think euphoria has by the end of the song where you're like, Jesus Christ, like, this is just getting more and more intense. And then he says, can I bleed him? Can I bleed him? And that's when he really starts going in. It's only five minutes into the, it's five minutes in the song, and that's when you get the real evisceration. So do you guys think that Family Matters would, and And you kind of alluded to this, Charles, but should he have just went right at Kendrick? Were those shots at Rocky as good as they were, weekend, Ross, that whole middle section of the song, which you can argue is actually musically, I think the best and most effective part of the song that didn't have any aims at Drake, or I'm sorry, at Kendrick?

Did the structure of it, did you try to accomplish too much in, again, taking this 20V1 approach? Or should he have just ignored the Rocky weekend, et cetera? part of this and just went straight at Kendrick. Charles, what do you think about that? I think honestly, where Drake slipped up, not just in the planning of it, but just the art of it, is that I think family matters narratively and structurally is weak, where it's like, say what you will. I do think the quality of Kendrick's records like peaked and dipped. Not all of them are great, but he keeps coming back to similar points. Yo, don't tell no lies about me. I won't tell no truth about you. You're a master manipulator. You're not

real. Everything that you've built up in your life is a fucking lie. Like it's, even if I necessarily as me, don't think the authenticity battle is that interesting to me. Kendrick in each record keeps going. Drake, you're a fake-ass actor and everything that you built up is a lie and I'm going to show this. I'm going to prove this. Drake's narrative thrust, there is no, there's no spine to it. Where it's just like, well, Kendrick, you're short. And then that doesn't work. He's like, but also your fucking label deal is fucked up. And also I have some secret about your wife. And then he reveals the white thing.

And the day three, and it just, he's like searching for that blow. Right. Where it seems like Kendrick was a lot more strategic in, because he only has to focus on one person. He's like, Meet the Grams is not euphoria,

is not like that. But when I listen to them all in chronological order, I'm like, all right, Kendrick had the, like, Kendrick's saying similar stuff. And even when he's revealed,

new stuff, he always circles back to the main thesis. You're a master manipulator. I'm finally proving it, which I think goes to show you that while I like Drake as an artist better, just in terms of the totality of their art, I think Kendrick was way more set up to, as a storyteller, to kind of like pick a part at Drake slowly and concentrate in a way that Drake just didn't have a concentration. I do want to push back on one part. You said the second part was the most effective. I actually think the third part is, is, you know, setting the accusations aside, it's also the most effective part because it actually highlights what Drake does really well, where I have actually had the melody to that song, to that sing-song flow.

The da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I've had that stuck in my head since. Even though, like, so many other things have surpassed this in the beef since, so many other things feel so much more relevant. There's a better song that was dropped after this, which we're going to discuss very shortly. That is the thing that has been stuck in my head. And I really think that's the back-to-back playbook as much as dropping the songs back-to-back. But like, you know, he turned, Drake turned a diss song into a nursery song with back-to-back. And he did it again here to the point where it got, like a nursery rhyme. And it got, it's been stuck in my head. And I mean, I love the second part.

I've seen a lot of people say they like the first part. I actually don't care for the first part. It feels like filler to me. Do you think this song would have hit harder if he chops the first part off? And it's just like one beat switch and a lot shorter. Yeah, because that to me, it feels like if he does that, because he references Kendrick very briefly at the beginning of the second part. And that to me, if he chops off the first part and chops off the day-free stuff, which everyone has been like, you know, it's been funny seeing people come out and be like, Dave Free is one of the nicest men you'll ever met.

You are a huge asshole for doing this. What are you talking about? That's the only thing I've seen about that since. So get that out of here. I don't care how cute you thought you were being with the PG stuff. Just get that out of here. If he does the second part and the third part just by themselves, then it feels like the song is building towards something

because it starts with a brief mention of Kendrick, then he just gets all these other people out of the way, and then he zeroes in on Kendrick. And that actually feels effective. I do want to say one part about the second part of the song, though. The melody in the third part has been stuck in my head. I think there's some really effective stuff that he says about Kendrick in a normal beef,

but this has not been a normal beef at all. The rocky stuff is fantastic. The other thing I will take away from that song is, God, future must be the coolest fucking guy who's ever lived. That's a good point. That's a good point. He's basically like, his takeaway on Future there is like, man, this really sucks, man. Metro has to be making you act like this, right?

Because we're cool, right? Like, this is not. Future literally just threw the grenade and walked away and no one has like pressed him since. He's just like, y'all are still fighting? All right. Do you guys think Future's ever heard the word misogyny? No, I think you've walked that out. long time ago.

That's not part of his worldview. Really quick, I do have to ask, not to get too dark, do we think it is a little messed up? Like, if I'm in Drake's camp, it's like, it's quite, it's, it was clear early on. I'm like, the tide has turned culturally against Drake so much where it's like, Drake is leveling very, very serious accusations and I, against Kendrick. And I was like, even if these are true, I was just like, would that pierce the veil of Kendrick?

Because I'm like, I don't actually, we've seen historically that shit does not really dent the popularity of these artists. Where it's like with Kendrick, I don't want to say it's, both of these strategies are very depraved and dark. Yes. But Kendrick being like, hey, you have a bunch of pedos in your circle and you're a groomer and like you run around with underage girls. I think that there are way many more people who are like, we can go back through the lyrics. we have all this TMZ shit, boss up shit, whatever. Kendrick can kind of run with that.

How true any of what he has, whatever. But with Drake, I'm like, you're running with a line that in rap, how many people will actually stop supporting Kendrick. Well, to piggyback on what you said, Justin, can we just ignore the day-free part of this? I don't think anyone, I don't think that landed culturally,

and I don't think anyone would care about that, right? off. So the abuse allegations, I think, I mean, when you think about it too hard, this is all just fucked, right? So let me just say that. I think the play strategically was that Kendrick has built himself up as this holier than now artist who kind of lectures to his audience and has built himself up as this superior character. And then revealing that he might have done this is a chink in that. that you can then discredit that whole persona in the same way that Kendrick is trying to do the same thing to Drake. Whether, I mean, without, I mean, Justin, on the phone, you talked about like the possibility of like a photograph or something graphic coming out. I think that's really the only kind of bomb that would solidify any kind of career risk, right? Like, we're going to talk about the allegations probably a little bit more in terms of like no one's believing anything at this point.

And so on either side, I don't think there's just no proof for anything. And so as dark as it's gotten, it's just, it's just rumor at this point. And so it's hard to know even what to do with it or even know what to talk about it. I mean, it's even gross that this is how we're quote unquote learning about it because I'm just like,

in multiple songs you keep hitting it. And I was just like, there are real people involved here that are not Kendrick or Drake. So I also think that was when I, even when Meet the Graham's drops, that was when I started sensing the exhaustion of people being like, this has gotten so gross. And because there's no, there's no reporting on this, there's nothing out here. This just kind of seems like two egotomaniacs throwing anything at the, at the wall to seeing what damage sticks, which was like, I felt it with this. and with Meet the Grams where I'm like, maybe we should just end it here, guys. Yeah, let's just get into Meet the Grants because I think

that's where we do need to go next. So 20 minutes after Family Matters drops, of course, Kendrick has an immediate counter, Meet the Grams, six and a half minute song, over one Alchemist beat, a fucking eerie beat, where essentially Kendrick talks directly to Drake's son, mother, father, alleged daughter,

and Drake himself. The big kind of bombs quote unquote, that we're supposed to be the bombs here, were an implication of some kind of sex trafficking happening within OVO. And the big claim, I think, or the very direct claim was that Drake is hiding another child, an 11-year-old daughter. I'll just tell you my experience of this.

I heard this and wanted to go to bed. I tweeted out that I was tapping out of the beef I texted you guys that this has transcendent music and double entendres, and I am not very interested in doing anything with this on either side. It was, if still is, I can't listen to Meet the Grams. It's just really dark. In terms of the timeline, this moment for me was really dark. I didn't like where things could be headed. This was scaring the hose music.

I was one of the hose, and I was like literally like, I'm good. The hose were in a bunker. The hose were hiding. Yeah, it was, because even when it dropped, people were like, oh, no,

like, let's be clear, this neutralized, Drake's record immediately. Like, it was a master stroke of genius. But I did get, I was like scrolling through the timeline, and that was the point in the party where everyone was like,

I think we should go home. Like, I think it's about to get shot up in here. Like, you got, well, even the, the, reference that I was going to make is you guys ever seen boogie nights? Yes. Oh, yeah.

You know how it's like the last night of the 80s going, 79 going to 80 on New Year's Eve, and William H. Macy ends up after discovering his wife is having, well, not discovering after getting sick of his wife cheating on him. Yes, that is the exact feeling. And it's, and he goes and he gets the gun from his car and then he blows his brains out. And just, just as midnight hits and it's just like, uh, oh, this party's gotten very dark and is going to continue to be dark. And that was kind of the vibe that was hanging over this beef at that moment. I felt kind of gross.

And I had another friend and another group chat text me. And it's like, I think Kendrick might have won. And I was like, won what at this point? What was the victory? Was it worth it? I mean, here's the thing. It wasn't cold to your point. I'm like, I think it was kind of beneath Kendrick a little bit,

not to clutch my pearls, but I was like, this, let's be clear, Meet the Grams is a great diss song. If the point of a dissong is to dismantle your opponent and to just be pure evil, it accomplished that. As a song that I want to listen to, I was like, Kendrick, you are a better artist than this. But also, this was the first time, like, he says someone, I was like, you should die.

And I was like, yeah, I was like, Kendrick. Like, relax, bro. We're like it's, it'll be fuck. I was on the phone with one of you yesterday. I had put it on because I'm like, I hadn't listened to it since Friday night. So this is Sunday morning. And I put it on and I'm walking around listening to it on a beautiful Sunday morning in Los Angeles.

And one of you called me. And we were on the phone for a while and I forgot that I was listening to it. And then we hung up and I, the song just came back on the second phone call ended. And it was like, honestly, one of the. more jarring, because I love talking to both of you. So to go from that, back to that with no warning, with totally forgetting that that was my experience before that was so jarring, and it just felt so oppressively dark. Yeah. It's... But as strategy, Machaveli would be proud,

Machaveli would be proud because no one was thinking about family matters. It was, to me, at this point, it felt like either this is mutually assured destruction or this is the moment where Drake is going to realize I am dealing with a sick man that I

cannot go up against. But at this point, I still wasn't like, okay, this beef has a winner. I'm like, the public sentiment is just kind of with Kendrick because people don't like Drake. I took it as both of them lost. Once that dropped, I was like, tonight both of you lost. Like, it's good.

As a Kendrick fan, I was, well, I don't want to say disappointed. I was just surprised that he would do this, to be honest. If I were to be forced to claim a winner at that point, I would give it to Kendrick just for pure strategy alone. I think at that point in the beef, he outstratized Drake. And it did feel like the consensus was like, this got dark, but if we're going to crown someone a winner, it's Kendrick. But is it again, is that, are you, what are you winning? at that point when things have turned so disgusting and allegations when you really think about them are just atrocious and sickening.

But I'll go on. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. Sorry. Okay. Then so this is what I think strategy-wise actually trumps even the strategy and meet the grams. And it is the next day, May 4th at 452 p.m. the afternoon, we are now Saturday, right? Not like us drops.

DJ Mustard beat. In terms of the claims, it hits the pedophila angle directly. Where it was alluded to in the tracks leading to this point, this is the main angle. He responds to Drake's claims in family matters very briefly and just says, Drake, the audience is not slow.

We see that you're just trying to shape a narrative. We're not buying it. Let's dance. and he responds directly to Drake's line about Kendrick rapping like he's about to get the slaves free. He does this whole fourth verse about Atlanta artists and punches with this, I think, pretty effective. You're not a, what does he say? You're not a colleague, you're a colonizer. Yeah, you're not a colleague, you're a colonizer.

Thank you, Charles. He leads to having five more diss songs in the clip, and I think it has some of the, the most memorable lines from the entire beef. In terms of strategy, I would say just as a fan, witnessing this entire thing, shaking out, this was a much needed,

just a palate cleanser. The vibes were great. The vibes were really fine. The West was one that day. Like, it happened. It was, here's the thing, it got dark that night.

And literally the DJ just turned this on and everybody's like, it's fun again. Start a foul love of voice. certified pedophiles Justin, what are your initial thoughts on this song? Well, just listening to the lines that Charles was just rapping. I'm just, I can't help but think that one of the most damning things that

Nas said about Jay and Ether was, I still whip your ass, you 36 in a karate class. And now we're like, yeah, but you know, he really hit on the pedophilia angle. You know, it's like, we have this, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, The terms of engagement are so different here. Yeah, I was going to say we should acknowledge at some point that Pusha T just set a new bar that, or I guess lowered the bar or whatever you want to call it. I think the shadow of Pusha T and Story of Adidon has loomed large over this beef where this is, yeah, this is where we're at now. But Justin, continue. So it was, the vibes were back immediately, like we said.

I also, it actually, Charles pointed this out to me. And if he wants to actually discuss this, he can. But he mentioned this to me where one of the actual brilliant things about Meet the Grams in hindsight was it did all the heavy lifting on all the, God, all the really nasty things that Kendrick is accusing Drake of. So that way, when he calls Drake freaky on not like us, we already know the backstory. Like we already have, we already have the lore. It's a callback, right? It's not something he has to set up here. So it's, it just kind of clears out of the way. First of all, can I also say, this might be Kendrick's best club record ever.

Yeah. And it's, like, I'm trying to think of what goes up against it. It's like Mad City, All right, and King Kunta. Maybe swimming pools? Swimming pools is like, yeah. Yes. Those songs all are, they're great and they have gone off in the clubs. Nothing like this.

Nothing like this. And it's, it's insane the lines that he gets off in this song. I just want to say, and we're going to discuss a couple of those lines and Cole, I'm saving the big one for you. But the stuff about Atlanta, I think is stuff that's been percolating about Drake for a long time. It goes back to that Earl sweatshirt tweet of like, you don't know the stuff

that Drake does to these young kids. And it's impossible to not think of it. You know, he just comes in and sucks people's life force and then gets a hit out of them and then just throws them away. And I think of like,

block boy J.B. And I think of McCona. I think of all these people that he's done this. Dram? Dram. I mean, Dram, he just kind of like stole that whole vibe.

Drake has long been a tourist in many different facets of rap culture and that's okay to an extent if you're also paying it forward and paying the proper respect

but one of the knocks on Drake that has been apparent it's actually funny doing this disc track ranking the first song that ever really diss Drake hard was sauce walkas whack to whack where he gets at all of this stuff, basically being like you're an actor

and you don't actually believe in these things, these styles that you're trying on. These are just you doing this to gain credibility. Of course, Sars Waka said it much better than I said it. But the Atlanta stuff in this song specifically hits on all that. And other people have said this.

Critics have made this point. Earl Sweatshirt had this tweet. Other artists have said similar things. The fact that it's Kendrick Lamar, the only person that can challenge Drake for the title of most influential rapper of the past 15 years. The fact he's saying it on possibly what could be his biggest hit record ever has the chance to change how we think of Drake forever. I mean, here's the thing. You want to know how this is a successful disc record? Because when I went to bed, no one was calling Drake our case.

Kelly and the minute I woke up, every meme was just treating Drake like he was the next R. Kelly. And I'm just like, once again, none of this has, none of this stuff is corroborated. None of this shit is sourced. None of this, the allegations have we, like, we haven't seen anything besides what Kendraka said. And still, he said it in such a way where it's like, this song, he does the Drake thing so well where there are multiple points in this song. where it's like think about the A minor part. That's stuff that Drake does. He did it with the day free shit.

And like Kendrick just takes it. And now you hear, you see videos of people in a club yelling A minor the day it drops. You know what I'm saying? It is saying OVho. I'm like, this is the cornyest shit ever. But I'm like, people will say this forever now.

It's, I did not expect Kendrick to be this good at making a hit record. And the fact that this was the second of the beef from him is insanity. Yeah, because like, we're talking about like that as being like that as the first one. And then people, because I got people now,

people were like, that was a future. That was a future in Metro record. And I'm just like, hey, you can't take anything away from, from this one. That was just Kendrick all alone,

him and mustard. So, yeah, not like a great. Yeah, I mean, in terms of strategy, it's like,

not only does it kind of refresh the vibes as we, Noted before, it's like he outdid Drake at what Drake was supposed to do in this battle, which is give a, make a hit that is also a diss all a back to back. And he out Drake, Drake, he beat him at his own game in this one, in this round of the battle. So in terms of chess move, I think this was his biggest chest move. As brilliant, I think in terms of strategy that Meet the Grams was and having that ready and the timing and calling what Drake was going to do. before he did it. Brilliant. In terms of strategy.

But this one, to follow it up and the timing was perfect. I remember when I first saw that Kendrick dropped again. I was like, what the f? I was not excited to listen to it. But the moment that it came on, it was like, it neutralized the night before. And I was just one of the, it was, I just had to hand it to him in terms of strategy because it was perfectly executed. Not only the song was just great and is probably going to be the song, one of the songs of the summer, if not the

it, it was just, in terms of just the execution of it, the timing of it seemed perfect in my eyes from a strategy standpoint. Fricky ass, figure. Freaky ass, thinking, he has 69 God. Bricky as 69 God.

Like, it's, I keep singing multiple parts of this song. I'm like, that is also the thing where it's like, that's a very battle wrap thing where I'm just like, over the course of like 24 hours, Kendrick made it cool to basic, for everyone on the planet to think that Drake is a peto with no actual facts or photos or anything.

People are just singing it like a club song, which is dark. Don't get me wrong. I'm not celebrating. That's dark. But also, where do you go after Adidon? And I think Kendrick found the answer, which is what's worse than hiding a child being like, you have a pedophile ring in Toronto? Yeah, I mean, Justin, in terms of like the importance of memorable lines, this seems like an important aspect of battle and the history of battle because when we think about Jay Z. Nause, when we think about Tupac Biggie, like there are quotable lines that have sustained the test of time, right? And I think ultimately, aside from fuck the big three, it's the big me, I think all the memorable lines are going to come from not like us. Does that sound right?

Well, you are, you are underestimating. I hate the way that you walk. I hate the way that you talk. I hate the way that you dress. Also, shut your whole ass up. It makes, uh, Metro shut up. But like to your point, if we're, if we're talking about the actual lines that you can like sing, like, all la, back to back in a club, like no one, I guarantee you over the next couple weeks, people will stop playing euphoria, pushups, family matters. And it will go back down to like that into not like us.

Yeah. Oh, my God. production is so good that mustard beat the way it drops in with that sample and then oh my god and you know he's it's a very regional record too that is i i would be remiss if i got on this podcast and did not mention that he used the flow that was kind of um invented by drako the ruler um he and he did it over a mustard beat which is which is very interesting if you know the history between drako and mustard but like it's it's a very regional record but but you know the whole idea of the catchy the catchy lines being part of the rap be for this catchy thing that you can grab on to when we're i'm talking about this big list that's live on the ringer dot com did listeners of dissect please feel free to go view or go go click it and then argue about it do whatever you must with it um most of the songs at the top of the list have something that is so catchy about them like this all starts with and i look when i'm

going to do a history lesson. We could be here all day and I'd be like, all right, shut up, old man. But this starts with the bridge is over, the Boogie Down Productions diss song, where it turned, it was, it took this beef and, you know, KRS one turned into this singing song thing, the sing song thing. I think of Easy E, Real motherfucking G's, which that beat, it just, if you hear that beat once, it's going to be stuck in your head for the rest of your life. the best diss songs function not only on this on a rap level not only on a i'm going to you know ether this guy they function on a level where they just rattle around in your brain forever and this one will like i don't it is the strategy of the strategy behind it was genius

the onslaught this avalanche of disc records was something It took the back-to-back playbook and pushed it to another level. But this being the song is just so perfect. It is honestly one of the best disc records that you will ever hear. And that's even before you consider the stakes of this battle. Because this battle is among the biggest that we're ever going to see, if not the biggest. Yeah, we'll get to that at the end of the episode. But let's move on to the final, hopefully the final.

but uh do we have to this fucking freeze me of a record this this is okay yeah um 24 hours essentially after not like us drake drops again it's the heart part six which is playing off of kendrick's long pre-album release uh lucy's uh kind of hijacking that from him in the same way that kendrick hijacked a time code song for his lucy it's clever in that part six ties in whole Drake's six. Would have been great if the song was good. There's a lot. There's a lot of work, a lot of ground he covers here.

I'm just going to say the bullet points is going to take me a second, but we got to hit him. So he begins with claiming that he set up Kendrick regarding the mole in OVO to feed him to purposely feed Kendrick false info about the alleged daughter, essentially trying to neutralize what he reveals on. the grams. He uses the photo that Kendrick used as artwork for meet the grams as evidence that he planned this whole thing all along. There's some holes in that we should probably talk about in a second. He tells Kendrick importantly to fact check his information. So he says, ah ha ha, I fooled you. You need to fact

check. You're antsy. You're thirsty. I'm feeding you. You're a dupe. But I think the fact checking is pretty important. He brings that he plays that card. He doubles down on the day free accusation, doubles down on the physical abuse to his partner accusation, claims that he hasn't seen Kendrick, claims that Kendrick hasn't seen his kids in six months, outright denies very clearly of being a pedophile, says he's too famous not to get caught, suggests that Kendrick is doing all of this to cope with the fact that Kendrick himself was molested as a child, and uses Kendrick's song Mother I Sober as proof. that is false. We'll talk about that, but that is absolutely false. I have to say that now.

Claims that he feels sorry for dissing Kendrick now after making this connection, but also taunts him about it as well with the Mariah Carey line. But he is saying that he feels sorry for Kendrick now and doesn't want to diss him anymore. He suggests that he's done with the beef. He says, you could drop 100 more records. I'll see you later. He has a spoken, like a talking outro where he says this was a good lyrical. exercise, sharpened his sword, says Kendrick is a liar, admits that not like us as a banger, and then says he's waiting on Kendrick to actually speak some facts. And until then, I'll see you later. So I think the overall kind of, what he's trying to get Kendrick to do

is respond directly to the allegations in the same way that he did here on Hart Part 6 and offer proof about Drake's claims. Okay. Um, Charles, what do you think? I'm going to be real. This is coming from a recovering Aubrey's Angel. You know how big of a Drake fan I am, bigger than Kendrick. And I will say, my goat went out so fucking sad. In a multitude of ways, it's a fellow light skin to a fellow light skin, man.

Like, you can't rage quit, okay? You can't quite quit on us. You just can't do that shit. Let's let if we just go through it really quick. First of all, Drake, you were on the internet, with your little buddy academics, counting down the days, rushing Kendrick,

when Kendrick starts dropping shit on you, you can't be like, you know what? I don't even feel like this beef anymore. No, you can't. Same thing with the fact-checking shit, where he's just like, dog, fact-check. I'm like, nothing has been fact-checked.

Don't bring in the fucking New York Times copy desk, bro. This is beef. Like, stop. Y'all are all, you're already in the fucking mud. Don't be mad because you're fucking disgusting now. Third, I don't,

I don't think can I mean I don't think Drake does he have people around him who actually care because if I was in the studio with him and I heard that bar about he's like dog if I was really a peto don't you think I would have been caught by now I'm like I was like bro

bro what the fuck I'm just like everything that is happening in the world we don't need to bring up all like but like I think if anyone was going to get away with that shit It tends to be very rich people that are in the same tax bracket as Drake. That's not doing what you think it is. I mean, and again, what did Drake think?

Because I think both Kendrick and Drake got very misogynistic, very homophobic, all of that shit at this time. But I want to be clear. What do you think making fun of Kendrick for what you think happened, him getting molested? What do you think that does for you? Because I walk away from that being like, you're the asses. now, Drake. Like Kendrick was the asshole, but you're grasping so desperately at these straws. It just felt like you can't be the guy who was throwing so many subliminals and so many

punches. And the minute you start losing being like, man, I don't care if you drop a hundred more times. Fuck this. I'm too good for this. I'm like, you weren't too good for this shit when you were digging up fucking Pock's grave and desecrating it for this little fucking beef. You weren't, you weren't fucking too good for this shit when you were throwing Kendrick's

partner, like business partner, actual life partner, kids, anything under the bus. So I just, it was, it was whack, bro. It's wet. Like, you can't pull the, I'm exhausted now. You're part of the exhaustion. Like, I lost a little respect from the 69 God. I'll be honest. You know, I, oh, God.

I said that, um, meet the Grams was, like, like from the Machiavelli playbook. The heart part six is like if Machaveli went to go see Nathan Fielder and worked out his game plan. Who's Nathan Fielder? Oh, we got to, we got a, whoa, whoa, Cole. Wait, what? Tell me, maybe I know I'm terrible.

Nathan for you, the curse, the rehearsal? The rehearsal. Oh, man. All right. Wait, we're going to, we're going to. You would love the rehearsal. like that actually seems like a very cold show. I think it might make him very uncomfortable.

Remember how, remember? No. Like, you don't know Nathan. I thought, I thought Nathan Fielder would be cold, Cole Catniff. Well, okay. Maybe this is my last song standing homework. Think about it.

This is actually the best last song, last song, standing homework we could do. But just for a little, just for you could say, you can keep this or you can cut this if you think the audience wants it, wants it. However,

Nathan for you was a show that ran on Comedy Central where Nathan Fielder basically he's this very deadpan I guess comedian but just this very deadpan guy who exists in the comedy world would give really the most the worst business advice you'd hear to struggling small business owners

but that sometimes had this like little inkling of genius so it's like okay this gas station, we're going to offer rebates, but in order for you to actually claim the rebate on the gas, you actually have to hike up this crazy terrain and put it in the rebate box. And who's crazy enough to actually do that?

It turns out there were people crazy enough to do that. Anyways, if that's all convoluted, all I'm saying here is that Drake's plan to, if we're to believe him, to win this rap battle, was to plant information about him hiding a child and being a pedophile so that way when Kendrick wraps about it

he can then be like ha ha that was fake info we fed you with no proof by the way but it's even if it was proof it's like why would your mind go there I mean 24 hours ago he was on Instagram stories being like like, I'll give D-D-D-D-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-to anybody who could find my secret child. And then a day later, it's like, I actually planted that all along.

I'm like, which store is it, Drake? Yeah, wouldn't you have at least film, like, if that was your plan, wouldn't the big reveal, let Kendrick drop Meet the Grams? And then immediately, not two days, not 48 hours after Meet the Grams, immediately reveal your hand there, right? Like, with some video evidence or something. I think he just looked online, saw that this was a theory going around, and just took credit for it. All the evidence from what I tracked, that seems to line up perfectly. But that's not it. Even if that was true, I don't know if that's a win.

It makes them both sound insane, where it's just like, Kendrick, like, Kendrick has alluded to this and Pusha Tea has alluded to this, that supposedly Drake does this thing whenever he gets into beef, where he throws a bunch of money. like in the streets I need some dirt but I was just like you're not beating the freaky you're not being the freaking nigger allegations if Drake's like you know

how we're gonna win this beef can you find me an 11 year old girl that will pose as my illegitimate daughter and we're gonna feed that to fucking Kendrick's camp I'm like dog log off we're so past

this is being normal like this makes Jay and Nas just look like fucking a friendly slapboxing match I'm just like What are Drake and Kendrick doing? Well, I mean, this one, I mean, the whole thing is after Meet the Grams, I'm like, man, Kendrick might be a legit crazy person. After the heart part six, I'm like, Drake, what the fuck is wrong with you?

This is crazy. This is absolutely insane, whether it's true or not. Also, we have to say that there are only two people, there's only one person in this entire thing that has brought up the names Jeffrey. Epstein and Millie Bobby Brown. And it was Drake. He goes, yeah, I knew you'd come with that Epstein stuff. And it's like, did you? It's like, oh, what, you're going to reference Millie Bobby Brown?

It's like, no, but you are? On for Sarah, man. It is the most, you know, this is the classic tweet, you know, the, the, the, yeah, I knew you think I was a pedophile shirt is bringing up questions already answered by my shirt. It's not looking good for the boy. I'll be honest. We didn't talk about it as a song. What did you guys think about it as a song? Terrible.

There's a reason we didn't talk about it as a song because it's like I also think the worst thing. What's worse than like faux mafia boss Drake is reactive Drake, is defensive Drake. Family Matters works because he actually thought, like if you listen to Family Matters now, you're like, oh, you thought this was the one that was going to win you that shit. Oh, for sure.

He said he's going on vacation, yeah. Yeah, and you kind of feel that energy where you're like, oh, okay, like, you think you got this in the bag. And the heart part six is so defensive. It's like he's incredulous. How could you, how could y'all believe this? And I'm like, that's not a good beef tactic because not like us works. Because Kendrick seems so far past worrying that Drake could ever win that he's having so much fun. that's it's infectious we're no longer wondering if any of this is true we're like oh we're

partying with fucking kendrick now let's turn up and instead the heart part six comes out and i'm just like drake you're rapping about epstein and millie bobby brown i think you've missed also if we're being clear it's also you play into the hand that kendrick wanted you to play when i'm like your entire almost a good amount of that song is drake defending himself against the peto accusations and i'm like I don't know if you needed to spend this much real estate on this man because this is making you sound way more guilty than it would have if you should be like,

that's a lie, now back to the shit. Objectively, it seems like it was literally a PR move. I mean, he has to, as someone that wants to keep his sponsorships and maintain some kind of status and credibility with brands, he kind of has to outright deny them. And that felt like probably the main, goal of this song was to get it on record within the beef that he's denying the allegations so that

it to just try to save face a little bit and just keep it moving because obviously he didn't I think I think he I don't know he sounded exhausted to me it sounded very reactionary it sounded very rushed it didn't sound thought through at all it just seemed like an obligatory I'm just going to end this I'm going to find these angles that I think my I think his fans it's good enough for his fans, his core audience, um, to run with and, especially the setting up the mole and his camp thing. I think that gives his audience enough ammo to feel like Drake won, or at least didn't get totally annihilated. And he's just checking a bunch of boxes, right? And it just felt like that's what the song felt like to me on first impression. I've listened to it maybe three

or four times since then. And every time I just, I just keep picking holes in it. It just, just from an objective strategic standpoint. It just, there's so many holes in what he's trying to do. And I think he was naming it the heart part six and trying to do the psychological empathy, the Kendrick thing, just totally fell flat for me. Like, you're not that dude.

Like, you're just not intellectually capable of doing that. I'm sorry. And so to try to do this, I feel sorry for you that you got molested, which just, for the record, Mother I Sober is about Kendrick not having been molested. So to misunderstand, like to me as a, as a Kendrick fan, Drake misinterpreting Kendrick's music so transparently. And then double downing on, that's your main angle of exiting this beef is just like, to me, the difference between the two artists.

Like, the fact that you- All right, let's not go that far, okay? Wait, what? Let's not go that far. Drake will be fine. Drake is still. Drake's going to be fine. Barring any actual proof and evidence coming, I think both artists are going to be absolutely fine.

I'm just saying from my vantage point, he tried to do the Kendrick thing and just absolutely failed, where if we're comparing these side by side with, as a response to not like us, Kendrick clearly did the Drake thing better than Drake within this battle. And if Drake's rebuttal to that was try to do the Kendrick thing better than Kendrick, I think clearly Kendrick wins this round, right? Kendrick so far has won every round.

And I'm not, like, once again, I like Drake's music more than Kendricks. And I just objectively speaking, there is not one time during this whole thing where I was just like, oh, Drake's running away with it. Where it's like there have been a few times now where I'm like, Kendrick has not really lost yet. And that is where I still am as a listener, which is hard to say because you know I'm a hater. If I were Kendrick, the only thing I would do now is just tweet out, release the OVO flight logs. Yo, yeah, honestly, he should just start talking about the OVO island because at this point,

they're just running with anything right now, which shows you that he won the beef because we're talking about not like us and yelling A minor and Drake is somewhere on an island, hopefully resting, you know, hopefully just just take a break bud it's okay. It happens to the best of us. So do we think this is over? Should Kendrick respond? No. Or is it, should we just

I was convinced that in my interpretation after listening to Hart Part 6 and knowing that Kendrick had Arsenal and, you know, are ready to go. I was just like, oh, this is Drake wobbling like a Mortal Kombat character and just, and Kendrick is going to

drop something and just totally annihilate him. after I woke up this morning I was like that's probably not the move actually I don't think he needs to respond whether he I wouldn't be surprised if he did if he's that fucking cruel and that kind of deranged

to just chop his head off at this point because it is waiting for him I think right there but yeah I don't think he needs to respond just what do you think I think that has been chopped off I think that Drake has so decisively lost which is not something I thought

you know, 72 hours ago that I'd be saying that coming out of this weekend. It's crazy. I thought, like,

rat beefs have typically gone, you go, I go, you go, I go. Respond to the response. Respond to the response. And Drake's, and Kendrake's just like,

I'm going to hit you with an avalanche. Like, fuck back to back. I'm just going to hit you with an avalanche. And the way I've described it is,

it's like Drake, a candle can melt the snow in front of it. but a candle's got nothing against an avalanche. And Kendrick hit him with an avalanche. There's, I don't, I don't see, that head's rolling wrong on the floor, man. I don't know.

Like, what else could he do? No, it's so far, it's just, the reason why I'm like, I think Kendrick is smarter than this, if you let your final record be not like us and that record does what I think it's going to do, I don't know how much of a hit it is, But I'm like, if that ends up even just charting on the Hot 100, he's walked away with a clean sweep. Whereas if he dropped something now, there is a sense that we're just like, all right, Kendrick, we're tired.

Where it also just leaves Drake twisting in the wind because I'm like, if I'm Drake, the burden is on him because Hart Part 6 did not work. It is not streaming as well as those other songs. So it's like the ball is still in Drake's camp. You haven't made one hit. Kendrick's on his way to like honestly Euphoria I think is going with number one already So I'm like Kendrick dropped like Three certified fucking bangers on your fucking head

It's I'm sorry Three bangers to one The story It's over It's fine But Philly Matters is like I like the record But like I'm objective enough I think to be like

It's an effective disc record But that's not a hit Are you gonna listen to that I mean, that melody is stuck in my head. But like, I gotta say this, what the Kendrick records have done is, so I've been making a playlist for this disc track ranking,

which again, you can read on the ringer.com on Tuesday. You know, you're not going to ask me where I'm here to promote, so I'm just going to promote it anyways. I've been making a playlist to go along with it, and I've been slotting in all the new disc songs, like scattering them throughout. and Family Matters is on there, and I was listening to the playlist this morning,

and I just skipped right past Family Matters. Wait, Family Matters is going to make the list? Yes, yes, it's going to be a lot lower than everything else. Yo, the OVO camp really slid you that check. In the dead of fucking night, fucking Obio Ryan and fucking Chubbs were just like, yo, do the boy a solid. I am, I am, I maybe, okay, I'll put it this way. I'll take, I'll take whatever money anybody wants to slide me,

but I might want to stay away from the OVO money right now, at least until we check those flight logs. That's a low blow, Justin. Lisa is a low fucking blow. Look, look, I'm going to, I need WikiLeaks to get on this. I need anonymous to get on this and like just figure out what's actually going on up there. I need them to hack into the computers. I need them to hack into OVO-Briens.

into the mainframe, I need to, like, I just, I got to, I got to see for real what's going on up there. I mean, real quick, we didn't, we got a fact check it. The not like us cover art is also genius. I just like, oh God. Yeah. It is, it is so, like, I was like, Kendrick, you're, you're an evil, evil man. You don't give up. Yeah, I think the only, I think the only, I, functionally, I think the only way Kendrick could cleanly respond.

Well, actually, I won't say that because. he surprised me with not like us. And so I'm not going to try to predict what he could pull off or not. But it does seem like the general consensus around the beef at this point is who's going to have proof first. So if Kendrick has something up his sleeve that proves any of this, I think that's his next play, if he has a next play. And I think that's, at least from my vantage point, the only play that seems like is needed. And generally speaking, proof is just needed at this point, right? or all this is just going to kind of dissipate.

And we'll call it in the spirit of battle for better, well, for definitely for worse. But that seems to be the only play left that feels like it would be accepted, where it's like, oh, he did have proof all along. He was just waiting for the final moment to reveal it. But that being said, yeah, I think clearly Kendrick won. Can we just say that? Kendrick won easily. I think he kind of won after Meet the Grams.

and not like us was just the nail in the coffin. So I'm very sad today. Drake, it's fine. I still support you. Control, you know, all that hotline bling. You're still great.

Is this going to be the most significant music history event that we're going to witness in our lifetime? No. Let's not be prisoners of the moment. People, like, here's the thing. People keep sleeping on story of Adidon,

and I'm like, here's the thing. We're still waiting for proof of, of any of this. So until I get that, I'm like, most of this stuff, I'm like, there might be a hint of truth to it, but I'm just like, it's still allegations.

Fucking push a T. Damner walked Drake's child up to his front door and be like, hey, raise your son. And then a couple days later, it was revealed. I'm like, that is still, in my opinion, in terms of like the beefs I've lived through,

I never thought that happened because we're like, I think most people, were probably like, Kendrick has a really, really good shot of winning this. I remember around the push-a-tee Drake beef. I did not have the sense that like push-a-tee would utterly dismantle that man. And I think I agree with you, Cole, where it's like story of Adidon loomed large over this beef where both sides were reaching for straws and shit on both ends, Kendrick and

Drake, where I was like, if story of Adidon doesn't come out, I don't know if both of you are so, set on the gossip angle. That was honestly my least favorite part besides them throwing a bunch of women and children under the bus to satisfy themselves. That was gross. But my second one is, why are y'all so obsessed with making this a gossip beef?

Why are you guys so obsessed with the gossip and running with this shit? And I'm like, that does not happen unless push a T embarrasses Drake to such an extent. Yeah, I think in terms of is this the most significant? music event in our lifetime? No. Is this the most significant rap beef? That's maybe what I should have said. It's not there. It's not not. I mean, when you consider the size of the artist, when you consider

the, well, Drake wants us to consider the size of the artist. But when you consider their success and their level of notoriety and also like the way that social media exists now, the way it didn't for any of the other major battles, like the major, major battles. outside of Drake push-a-tee. But that was a different scale because push-a-tie was punching way up. But this, I think, could go down. It's definitely like,

this generation is Jay-Z or Nas or Biggie and Pock. It's like, but it might even go past that. I don't know. But also the reason why I'm just like, let's not be prisoners of the moment is because unless Drake and Kendrick keep this going, this was a very speedy beef in the way that I feel like,

Pock and Biggie, Jay and Nas wasn't. It was a little bit more elongated, more back and forth. To your earlier point, Justin, here's a record, here's a record, here's a record. This one was kind of, as long as it felt like, what, it's been two and a half months of this. Like, Kendra kind of just, like, got Drake up out of here way faster than I thought he would. Yeah, once the ball started rolling at all, the climax was quick. and I think more sudden than we all were expecting. Isn't that things just generally move faster, right?

Jay-Z and Nas dropped six records back and forth. Total of six. Kendrick and Drake dropped six records in five days. Yeah. It's crazy, too. It's absolutely insane. And that's what I think is interesting about this beef where I'm like, I don't know if that hurts or helps this beef,

where it's like it feels like we've been living through this forever. If this is the last thing we hear from them for a while. I'm just like, how do we remember this beef? Do we remember it starting with like that? Do we remember it starting with pushups and euphoria? Is it just clearly Kendrick wins, if not like us, just is a smash and is like number one for a couple weeks?

I still think there's a, the dust hasn't settled. And like, part of me is I'm like, I don't know if this beef actually lived up to what I wanted it to when Kendrick and. Drake really started kind of having, you could tell like these two don't fucking with each other at all. Part of me is I'm like, this wasn't their best music for either of them. I think Kendrick, it's his best, probably some of his best pop music and like radio ready club records. But this was not Kendrick's best rapping and it certainly was not Drake's best rap. Yeah, so let's hit, we hit everything, I think.

We got it, we got to rank. We're not going to rank all of them, but let's go ahead and rank our top three. songs from this battle. Let's go number three each. Justin, what's your third song from this battle? Oh, okay. See, I wanted to save my number three. Oh, okay.

I'm going to say one to you want to go one to three? Why do you guys go? And then I'll, then I'll, you guys say your number three's and then I'll say my number three at the end because I want it to be a surprise. Okay. All right. Number three for me was a mix up between euphoria or pushups. which I think are both about on the same level, but for me, Euphoria does more.

I'm going to go with number three, Euphoria. As a Kendrick fan, I think I'm just excited to have a six-minute track that is just straight bars. You guys will hear if you listen to my analysis, two-hour analysis of it. It just has all the Kendrick shit I love. And it doesn't hurt that he's going after an artist that I'm not particularly fond of, generally speaking. So I want to go number three, Euphoria. Charles, what do you think? I'm going euphoria.

It's like even if it's not my favorite from the beef, I just think when I'm thinking of the things that make me laugh, which is kind of what it just needs to do, this has a lot of the, is it the brains? It's just, yeah, it's euphoria. I don't have to explain it. It's euphoria.

Okay. And that's my number two. So we can just, we can just keep it moving. Euphoria is my number two. All right, Cole, what's your number two? So number two for me is tough between number one and number two, because I'm like trying not to be prisoner of the moment.

But I think I ultimately landed with like that being my number two. I played the song. We're in agreeance. This is my number two as well. Oh shit. This is really uncommon for us. Yeah, I played the song every day when it came out. Not only because I just like the song, the Kendrick verse is obviously really important and sparked all this.

But just as a song, I think historically we're going to, it's going to survive the test of time. It's going to have a lot of history attached to it. I mean, it's just a great song. So, Charles, it's your number two. I agree as well. I think a lot of people try to do the cool kid thing where I was like, it's not an actual diss. It's not a part of the beat.

And I'm like, nothing. This is ground zero. This is how it happens. I do think that this is going to be the song that's remembered as to your point, starting this all off. And it's Kendrick doing something that he traditionally has not been very good at, which is being a feature artist on a club record, not getting in the way.

He just, like, he fits so well into that record. It goes off. Like that is just so infectious. Number two is like that. I had to say, I think it's the best, probably the best or second best song that's come out of this whole thing. But if, I don't know, we ranking songs or diss songs?

Because I do, like, I have said this many times. Kickin the Door by the Nitorious B.I.G. is one of my all-time favorite songs. It is not one of my all-time favorite diss songs. This is an old head take, bro. It's an old head take. Okay, I'm just, I just want, I just want to think, because here's the thing, everybody's like, it's not a good diss song. And I'm like, if it's not a good diss song, then it wouldn't have Drake and all these other motherfuck is carrying on like that. I get what you're saying.

I get what you're saying. But the way you're talking right now is somebody who's raising the back-to-back error. I just like my, I like my disc records to go at someone. I like my disc records to go at someone. It went at Cole. It went at Kendrick.

Come on. It was on a record that was going at Drake. It was, it was. All right, come, Colin, here's the thing. He called them men bums. Like, he was just like, don't have bums, bro.

All right, all right, all right. Like, it's a, it's a, it's a really good, song. You know what? It's like, I think it gets the historical nod just for being like to make another reference. I made a World War II reference. It was really old head dad hours. This was the Archduke Ferdinand moment. This was the, this was the moment that this was the assassination that kicked off the, um, that that made the powder cake explode. So it gets that credit. I'm not going to stand in your way. I just think that there have been other disc records dropped in this. And can I give my number one? Because I think we're all in agreement here and we can just segue into that.

Yeah. Fricky ass nigga, he is 69. God. I was going to say, Charles, sing it. You can sing it louder. Not like Gus. Freaky ass naked, he is 69 God.

Oh, say OVO, OVO. Not like Gus is number one, bro. Yeah. It's so good. We're all in agreement. It is the one. It is the one. It's crazy.

All right. Now can I give my number three? Yes. All right. I'm going to sing it. B.B.L. Drizzy. All right.

Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck. out of here. Metro, I love you, Metro. You did a great job. You were a quarterback in this whole thing. Metro's doing too much. Metro is officially, he's doing too much.

Just for context, it was, do you want to explain what it is, Justin? Oh, okay. It's the, it's actually the only good thing that's ever come out of AI. And it's, um, geez,

somebody, somebody made a, like, um, like a disco style song based off the, line that uh well the the nickname that rick ross came up for drake which was bbl drizzie which you know Brazilian butt lift drizzie because of all the plastic surgery all the work he's been done tell us on your thoughts on Brazilian buttlifts will you ever be will you ever be bbl sales look you know i'm kind of getting up there in years i don't know like i mean i when i when i heard that you can just go pay to get pay to get some abs i'm like huh oh i would get a bbL if

somebody wants to pay for it if somebody wants to sponsor the bbill sponsor wants to to sponsor dissect or any other podcast hit us up. Like, we will take it, all right? No, but is this you asking Spotify if we can expense the BBL? If Spotify would expense my BBL, y'all, I would walk into the fucking office next week. Actors, too different. Well, Metro took this AI song and he flipped it into a, into a beat, and he's got people rapping on it.

And he's going to give him 10 grand, which feels like. kind of low. He's going to give a free Metro beat. He's going to give a free Metro beat and 10 grand to the winner and then a Metro beat to the runner up. And he's got the thing about this one, though, he's got Randoes all over the world. I don't want from Japan. There was one from Japan.

There was some dude who just did a sack solo over it. Like, the thing about this is it's, it really exposes how much people hate. Drake. They were ready for it. Here's the thing. If I'm Drake, I would be pissed. I'm just like, dog, it's not even 20B1 anymore. It is like the entire world.

He like has formed up to literally get this man out the paint, which is it's fine, Drake. That's here's the thing. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. All right. So I just want you to know, I'm rooting for you. Take some time off. You know what I'm saying?

Get little Yadi out of there. Sorry, Yachty. Maybe hire baby keen. it'll be all cool. Get some new ghostwriter blood in there, get V's in there, and we'll be fine, Drake.

Beautiful. I think that's a good note to end on. You want to plug anything, Charles? What do you got coming up? Oh, what do I have coming up? Hopefully,

a vacation if you want to hear, if you want to hear some of my other great opinions on shows like X-Men, go over to the Midnight Boys. You know what I'm saying? I'll be on Prestige TV, talking about other stuff over there. read me on the ringer.com

and I'll just say guys freaky ass nigga he is 69 God Freaky ass nigga he has 69 guy OVO Sorry It's so catchy Justin

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