Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik | LAST SONG STANDING (E3)
00:00Welcome everyone to Last Song Standing. I'm Cole Kushna.And I'm Charles Holmes. And on the third season of Last Song Standing, we're covering the greatest hip hop group of all time. That's right.Cole and I are here to decide the greatest Outcast song of all time.On our first two episodes, we tackled Stankonia and Athe aliens. And on today's episode, we're taking it all the way back to 1994 as we discuss Outcast debut album, Southern Playalistic Cadillac music.While when they can be trying to test me, I get risky.Grab up high and I'm going in whiskey, then they swing with shit they miss me, huh?Yo, Cole, bud.How you been?
00:58How you doing?Charles, I got a bone to pick with you.A bone to pick with me?What did I do now?It takes me a lot to get upset.But I'm fucking pissed.Okay, number one, to recap last week, you stole elevators.Just flat out like a snake stole that shit from me.
01:16Hell yeah.Like absolute all-time troll.job after you derailed it and then just within five minutes picked it. Let's be clear. This is going tomake you more mad. I was just like driving around doing errands yesterday and I've remembered that.And I literally just started laughing to myself. I was like, I was just like,every time. You're the greatest who's ever done it, Charles. And then not to spoil, not to spoil thestingers, but people that are staying after the credits they know, you assign me the, what is it called?Affinity.
01:46adventures infinity warAffinity bullshitNoNoWhich you don'tOkay you didn't tell me it wasTwo and a half hoursFucking long dude
01:56Dude oh yeah manTwo and a half hoursOf Marvel good daysOkay we'll save thatBut it's been a rough weekAs far as the LWI feel like our bond isThe LWS boys are breaking up
02:09Just like AlcastThroughout the course of the seasonSplit offNo but I'm goodHow are you doing?Cole, I'm doing wonderful.You want to know why I'm doing wonderful?Why?
02:21Because the Andre to my big boy is here today.And we're talking about the debut album without cast.But we should probably go back a little bit because as you alluded to, last episode,I took my favorite outcast song of all time that I had no problems with, elevators.And you took the subpar ATLions.And then in our pilot episode, I took B.O.B and you took Ms. Jackson. Let's be honest, my card for the end of this is just going to look uppristine. I'm so pissed that you got both of those songs. Like legitimately upset. I don't get upset a
03:01lot. There comes to music. I'm passionate, man. Fuck you. You didn't, here's the thing. You didn'tcome prepare for old Charlie 3,000. Let's go. Wait, now you think you're, I think you're the big boy to thispodcast. I think, no, no, no, you want to know, you want to know why I'm not? Because I tried to openyou and Justin's eyes to stuff like the MCU, Nathan Fielder. And what do I get a bunch of,what's this weird bullshit? This is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Maybe you guys need toopen your third eye, just like Andre. What do you think Andre 3000's favorite superhero movie is?Oh, God. He can't be watching those. How do you know? He's probably, he's probably has infinitywore the soundtrack in his earphones while he's playing this flute on the street you don't fucking
03:49know just you jumping in here yeah please jump in yeah he was in a kelly reichert movie last year he's notfucking watching this shit what are you talking about you guys are such elitist which is disgustingbecause we are about to talk about an album that is about the every southern man you know the saltsof the earth as some would say just to hear how up in the air your nose is at all just like goodentertainment fair, it's disgusting. I hope the listeners here, the anger in my voice.But with all of that out of the way, Cole, do you feel like it's time where we should breakdown the rules of this little project we have going here? All right. For those that have forgotten,each episode of Last Song Standing covers one album when we're forced to pick the best song off of that
04:35album, aka the last song Standing. Then in the season finale, we have a Royal Rumble,and we're going to bring all those songs we chose from each album.They're going to duke it out until both of us can agree on the single song that is the outcast greatest song of all time.That's going to be a tough episode.I'm actually really excited about the finale because there's, yeah, I thought I went into this season thinking I had like a favorite, but that's kind of crumbling.Because let me just say before we get it, like, these albums have aged so well.I've enjoyed listening back to this Southern player, which I haven't revisited in quite some time.and it just aged so beautifully to me.
05:15Like, what were your first thoughts, like, revisited?Or do you listen to this album a lot or was like, had it been a while?So this is probably the album outside of like Idol Wild, which I barely count as an Outcast album.This is probably the album that I go back to the least.And to your point, of all the seasons we've done, Frank Ocean, uh, Kendrick Lamar,I've had the most fun with Outcast.And I think I had a lot of fun with this record.Like even if it's not my favorite in their discography,
05:44it does make me think.Like it is a interesting,and we won't like spoil what we'll talk about later,but it's like this interesting time capsule of like,oh, I know how far these rappers are about to goand how far they're about to take it.Yeah.And to kind of try to glean what was always there,
06:04what did they need to work on?Because I think you and I will probably end up agreeing.This is not the Andre 333.thousand and Big Boy we know at this point.Yeah, no.They're kind of only almost two totally different people.Especially Andre.I feel like, I feel like Big Boy establishes himself and he builds on this personality and
06:24persona and it gets better and more polish and a little bit more dynamic.But I feel like Big Boys kind of is who he is.And then Andre is the one, at least on this album that almost unrecognizable at times andkind of just blends in in a way that I'm just not accustomed to.Andre always kind of sticks out to me in the best way.And on some of these tracks, he kind of just, he kind of just blends in.Oh, this is a big boy heavy album in terms of like, to your point when I was listening to this,I was like, oh, big boy was definitely the more fully formed of the two.
06:57Yeah.And even like what Andre is rapping about is like interesting because I'm like, oh, this sounds like a big boy verse.Even though I know it's Andre rapping.Yeah.I'm like, Andre is rapping about all this.shit not my huntry house it's really we're gonna talk about a lot but it's weird to hear him talking aboutguns so much it's like really off-putting uh justin do you how often do you return to this albumyou know i i haven't returned to it as much as i thought i had over the years because there were
07:26parts of it that were just jumped out of me like all over again like the the first thing it jumpedout at me is the production in particular didn't i don't know it points it didn't feelRight.Like, there are some songs, like, we can talk about specifics after.I don't know if, like, the beat to Hootie Who has aged well.However.Yeah.When I think about, like, the baseline on claiming true or, like, ain't no thing.
07:52It just, like, it just, the production is, it feels classic, but in a way, like, it holds up today.Yeah.It's, I don't probably revisit it enough as an individual album.Certainly not as much as A.T.L.E.L.E.or Quemini.Yeah.Or even Stankonia.But I think I have to change that.
08:12Yeah, that's what I came away after listening to.I just need to listen to this more.This is good because I've been listening to these albums for months.And every single time I listen to this, I'm like,this, like, Southern Player and AT Elians are both a really good car.They're so good.Car albums.Like, it's like Southern Player plays, and I mean, it makes sense because they're both so
08:34obsessed with cars, mostly Big Boy, where, like, it makes sense thatI'm like, oh, this is a car record.Like, they made something that just, like,we will talk about some of the songs.I'm just like, oh, this shit, to your point, Justin,this beat Knox.Like, this is fucking insanity.Yeah, absolutely.
08:50All right, guys, yo, the bantering is over.We're going to throw to a break.And when we get back, I'm going to give you some facts about the album.Cole's going to talk about the themes.And Justin's going to bullshit about being old as hell.Stay locked in.All right.We are back to discuss Outcast debut album released on April,
09:1126, 1994, the 17-song album spawn, three singles. Players ball, Southern Playlists to CadillacMusic and Get Up, Get Out. The album peaked at number 20 on the Billboard 200. So, cool, themes of thealbum, I'm very interested for this section of it, because I don't know if this is the mostthematically heavy album in their discography. Yeah, definitely not going to try to likeoversell any kind of grand theories here. I think.think, I mean, like all the Outcast albums, it's like everything's kind of built into the name.You know, this one has a very iconic Southern Playlist of Cadillac music to play on theMary Poppins' Super Califagulist, X.B. Aladocious, which is interesting because if you, one of
09:57things I did after noticing this, all the childhood references on the album, I'm going to point out acouple here in a second, but you can just tell, I mean, we should say for context, like Andre andBig Boy were in high school, freshly out of high school, Andre had dropped out of high school.They're like 16, 17, 18 when they're creating this album.So there's just a lot of like teenage references that in retrospect just are kind of endearingjust because they were legitimately so young when they made this thing.Yeah. But, you know, in terms of the name, it's all in there. It's a celebration of the Southernculture. There's a lot of player talk. There's a lot of Cadillac references. And there's
10:35heavy funk influence. Andre said this about it in retrospect. He said, quote, the first album wasStreet. It was all about being a young guy, protecting your own, all about being a pimp and a player,and just being a fly guy. A lot of gunplay, a lot of smoking. It was just Southern lifestyle at the time,which I think is just a perfect description. There's really nothing too crazy deep about it as twoteenagers kind of representing Atlanta in a way that hasn't had to that point. I think it's like a veryaccurate portrait of just growing up in Atlanta and they do a really good job of justkind of selling you the lifestyle. So like some of the childhood references that I just thoughtwere really funny. Like Andre on the title cut, he says, my heat in the trunk along with that quad knock,
11:19no, my heart don't pump no Kool-Aid, jump and you'll get sprayed too. And then like big boy on Ain'tNo Thing says, I'm ready to wet them like cereal. So there's just like all these little, there's a few more I'llpoint out later, but you can just tell it was made by high schoolers.Musically, I think, is where this, we could really talk about how this shines, right?Justin alluded to it up top.It produced entirely by organized noise.Lots of live instrumentation on this thing.Has some samples, but like we talked about previous episodes, not really heavily
11:53sampling, relying on sample, more interpolating existing work, putting their own spin onon existing melodies.We'll talk about the dungeon family a lot,but there's that aspect here toowhere it really feels like an albumcreated by a group of creativeskind of locked in this basement of RICO Wade's mom's house,just creating hungry, ready to prove themselves.
12:16And I would say the rapping in terms of musicalityis just fantastic,especially considering their age and the experience level.They don't sound 17, 18 on this,which is funny.It's like, I know it when I'm listening tobut I'm still just kind of like, oh, they were fucking, they were teenagers.I'm just like, what are they, sometimes with the rapping about shit, I'm just like,
12:35I was not, I don't know, I was not like this at 17, 18, if that makes sense.Yeah, I mean, like, what they say a lot of times is like cliche kind of.He's very juvenile, but their voices in the rhyme schemes are older than their age.Like, their style is pretty much, I mean, maybe not Andre so much, but his rapping style iscertainly well established in terms of that herky jerky kind of,like unpredictable flowlike all that's there more than I rememberedbut yeah I mean not to not trying to sell it too much
13:05I don't think there's a lot of thematicstuff going on aside from justkind of two kids rapping about their lifeand where they want to go.So Justin are you taking us back?What was the name of this segment?We all are on the edge of our seatsfor our favorite segment.
13:22We love these olds.Take us back to 1994.We love these olds.1994.I was 11 and or 12 at that time.And the album comes out,it gets a 4.5 mics in the source,which is kind of important to note
13:38because there weren't a lot of popular southern rap groupsat the time.It was, rap was,there were these two mechas, right?I talked about this a little bit last timewhen we were talking about the source awardsand the South has something to say,which Outcast would, of course,
13:54win that source award based on the strength of this record.However, you had people in New York, you had bad boy, Wu-Tang Clan, even like native tongues, but just think about like traditional New York mecca.Then out west, you had death row.And like, I think it's important to note that Doggy Style came out at the end of 1993.The chronic was still in rotation.The above the rim soundtrack came out in 1994.There was nothing bigger than death row records in 1994.But those were kind of, these were the two, this was the North and South Pole of rap music at the time.
14:31And there was nothing else.For popular rap groups from Atlanta, does anyone want to guess any popular rap groups from Atlanta?Chris Cross, baby.I mean, organized noise mentioned that it was just like, you had Germain Dupree with Chris Cross.And we work without kids.Yep.You had arrested development a little bit before that.I tracked through some of their songs in preparation for this.
15:09Didn't age quite as well as Outcast, I'll just say.No, it didn't, but you know what?They were trying their best.And then you had tag team, the Wump, there it is, guys.Another thing I want to get into is,1994 is an excellent year for rap debuts.Okay?you have
15:39just even these threeyou haveSouthern Playlist of Cadillac musicYou haveReady to DieYou haveYou haveCharles's
15:58He told meCharles texted meHe's like yoThis is my favorite album of all timeI just can't ever say this on a podcastYou have Naz's IllmaticLife is definedI think of crime
16:07When I'm in a New YorkState of mineFuck out of hereFuck out of here.Charles, you know, you've been doing so good at playing to the audience.And now you're just like, fuck.You're acting like I hate Illmatic.It's just not what I'm putting on in my whip.
16:29And it's just like, I don't want to be bullied into it, all right?I'm not, I'm one of the hos and it scares me.I'm not putting it illmatic.We're going to get into bullying people into enjoying things when we discuss InfinityWar at the end of the show.It is just like, it is a fantastic year for rap.It is, again, like above the rim is massive doggy styles kind of ruling the airwaves.It's one of those years where rap is really like solidifying itself as a commercial force.
16:58And, you know, Biggie is kind of at the forefront of that.But like right beneath him is Outcast.My six CD changer.My albums that would be in my six CD changer for 1994.Ready to die.IllmaticGangstar is hard to earnHmm
17:17I work too hard for my royaltyPut lead in your assAnd drink a cup of teaPizza Red AlertAnd lookYou didn't think I was gonna get out of thisWithout mentioning that I wasLike
17:30You can get out in 1994If you're meWithout mentioning gangstarOutcastSouthern Playlist of Cadillac musicAnd thenI don't knowThis is an album
17:41That I don't thinkI don't know if you guysEven know this oneThis might be like realLike Justin's annoying uswith his shit.Time.Word Life by O.C.
17:50Let the charm be a part of your mind.Let the rhyme interquire like a vine.Work you mentally found intellect.Great album.Classic album.I don't think anybody...I'm curious how many people listening to this podcast.No O.C.'s word life.
18:06Great year for rap.Great year for me.At 11, 12 years old, I think I averaged about four points a game on my junior high basketball team.What was the name of your junior high basketball team?What was the name of your junior high basketball team?I honestly don't remember.In Birchwood in North Providence, Rhode Island, that was the junior high.I don't remember if we were like the fucking badgers or whatever.
18:25Like, I have no idea what we were.Charles, do you remember what the cover for what the actual CD of AT aliens look like?No.You don't remember what AT aliens when we were talking about that?Oh, I thought you said for Southern Play.I'm like, I don't remember what it was.I am, but I am.I want you to Google right now if you can on your,
18:44your computer, the actual physical CD of Southern Playlists of Cadillac music. We'll wait.So Charles, you've Googled the art. What does it look like? So this one, in retrospect,I had seen the A.T. Lians one as a kid. This one, I haven't seen, but it is a very finesister, all right, drawn in what looks like color pencil with her titty's just out, popping,doing their thing, bow, bow, you know what I'm saying?They even, what I like, they didn't draw like, you know, the bottom part of the underwear.That's full bush.You know, we got full colored pencil bush just up there.
19:31I love this.Justin, how are your parents feeling about this very bush-heavy titty's popping CD cover?Or CD, actual CD?We will talk about this a little bit later, but my parents showed me Goodfellas at 10.I don't think they cared about this.I will say, though, this was 1994.Yes.I didn't have the internet.
19:57This is the internet.Oh, God, is disgusting.I'm saying this might be the first pair of naked breasts that I've ever saw.So sad, but it explains so much.So with that, I think it's time for my second favorite named segment.of Last Song Standing.We're going to our album Trivia Corner,aka...
20:21Spottiyati Quizilicious.All right, so Spottialiqiziousis where Cole and I attempt to stump each otherwith little known facts about the album.Whoever gets the most questions correctwill get first pick in the last song standing segmentat the end of the episode.Cole, I've been winning the segment
20:37and I think I'm going to win again.So do you want me to go first?Yeah, go first because I got to judgehow unrealistic these guys.questions are and I'm going to base my questions on how hard years are. All right. I came prepared.So obviously, you know that Players Ball, the first single off this album comes off a Christmasalbum. Correct. You know that, right? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Do you know what the original title of Players Ball was?Oh, shit. I do not know, so I can't guess, but I'm like very, very interested. So, Sleepy,
21:16Brown and Big Boy didn't interview with GQ where Sleepy Brown revealed that the original titlefor players ball was Sox and Draws. Now, do you know why it was called Sox and Draws? Like evenBig Boat forgot. It's a very, it's a very cute video where like Big Bois's like, God damn it wascalled Sox and Joy, which is a terrible title for a Christmas song. Let's be clear. But BigBoy was like, it was called that because in the hood, that's all you got past a certain age.after Christmas, you just got socks and draws.But Players Ball is an infinitely better title.I don't even know if we get the outcast that we get today
21:55if it's just called socks and draws.Because I'm like, what person in 1994 was just like,that's what I want to play?That's a great title.They should have put it in parentheses,Players Ball, parentheses, socks and draws.I do agree with that.I actually really liked about that.
22:09That's really good.Okay, so I got that wrong.That was a really great.I actually really liked that question.though. Okay. BigBoy and Andre met while attending a performingarts high school in Atlanta.What was the original name
22:23of the rapping duo before changingtheir name to Outcast?Oh, fuck. Andbonus points if you could tell metheir original MC names. Oh, fuck,because I did know this. This is theproblem, you know it, and then when you're puton the spot. Because here's the thing.
22:40They did have a name that they couldn't usebecause it was already taken, like the misfits.It was misfits.It's not that one.It's not that one, but they realize that there's a rock band called the misfits.But they did have another name before this that was official that they were using.I'm not even going to, I can't recall it.It's on the tip of my tongue.
23:00What is it?Two shades deep.Yes.God damn.God damn.Big boy's name was Black Dog.Andre's name was Black Wolf and their logo was a little paw print.I'm see that's the thing that we don't talk about enough in music where it's just like music is a domino effect yeah and like just with or it's like a butterfly effect just one little change if they still went by black dog and black wolf once a fucking get don't get out like who are these fucking jebronis who are these fucking but see but then I think like but when someone's so good it's like album title or album covers sometimes on a classic like bad album covers on a classic record.
23:41somehow the album cover just ends up being good because you associated with the good music.Like, does that happen?I think that happens sometimes, right?I mean, I will say the Southern Playalistic album cover is terrible, which is also funny.If you're like, oh, like even when they're rapping, I'm like, they are way better than their age.We tell you.The album cover tells you that I'm like, oh, this is what some high schoolers would think of school.Like, this is the dumbest, like, this is the dumbest album cover.
24:07People are going to be like, how could you say that?but I'm like, no, to your point, because the music is so good on this album,we forgive how whack the album cover.Or they just didn't have a budget at that point.That is true.It might also be, but this is going to be a hot take.And maybe it's too early to say this.I think most of Outcast albums, album art kind of sucks.
24:29Like, it's classic by the standards of that time.I understand during that time, people were like, this is probably cool.And in retrospect, sometimes I'm like, damn.damn yeah i mean objectively some of them are yeah not the greatest a little cringy but yeahassociated with the good music they kind of just you know they they get some help from the musici think stankonia has a great cover though stankonia has a really really good cover i honestlyeven though it's corny a little bit now i kind of like the speakerbox and love below coverlike i do think it is icon like it's not i think i kemeni is better i think a t aleans is
25:09We'll talk about it later.We'll write them later.I want to go to my next question, which is also Players Ball related.Okay.The beat that became Players Ball was originally intended for who and bonus points if you can get the original name of this group.And if this is too hard, I will say that one of the members of this group was popping.Like, they would go on to be just as big as Outcast.Just as big as Outcast.
25:44If not bigger.Wow.I don't know.So I'm trying to use your hint to figure it out because I'm thinking 94, 93, 94.And then who would go on?Is it male or female?Female.Okay.
26:01This is making it easy.Well, it can't be TLC because they weren't bigger than Outcast.I'll give you half a point.So it was, it was intentional.ended for LeftEye's original group at the time called Jeanne Ozekaand Outcast got to hear the beats first.And they were like, yo, we want Players Ball.So it's pre-TLC?
26:21How the story goes is that like they had to make, they were making beats.And the beats were either going to go to TLC or to Outcast.And I think at that time, Lefti had a group by the name of Jeanne Ozequois.Okay.who players ball was going to go toand like outcast heard players ballright and was just like nahwe need like we need that beat right
26:45if I got any of this wrong fact checkersfact check me but I remember this soall right well I got the group soI'll take the half pointtake the half pointso how much of an advancedid outcasts receive from LaFacerecords to get to to
27:00produce Southern Playlisticoh you lookyou're shaking your$15,000 oh yeahYou were smiling as I said that.I do my research, $50,000, which, do we have an inflation calculator?Because when I saw $50,000, when I was like going through all the shit, I was just like,that seems like a steal.
27:20That doesn't seem like that much money, you know what I mean?All right.So I just pulled up an inflation calculator.$15,000, according to this website, in 1994, would be equivalent to $31,000 today.That's still not shit, really.That's not.Here's the thing.I was making around $30,000 at like my first shitty job out of college,
27:40which is just like that like just like that was my salary.Right.So it was just like one year salary.It's just.Yeah.I mean,they're unproven group.So I kind of get it.
27:50It's not like left face was like a huge label at the time.So.There.There.You know,I kind of get it.But I mean,you hear the low budget sound a little bit on the record.
28:01You know,it's a little gritty.It's a little rough around the edges,which, you know,it's kind of endearing now.I mean, the dungeon was just like, I feel like we're always like, oh, the dungeon.It was the mom's basement.And then you'll hear them describe it.
28:12They're just like, yeah, it was dirt floors.No, yeah.I watched a documentary, like an old, old VH1 documentary about Outcast coming up.And they had video of them in the dungeon.And it's like literally unfinished red clay walls, like dirt floor, like a literal dungeon.Like that's why they call it.It was so dingy.And they talk about it.
28:34I think the sweet thing is like,Because you'll hear them talk about it each time.And they hold this like reverence for the place.There's almost like this wistful quality of just like,we had it so good then.And there was like a magic about being that young and that creative.And there's almost kind of a sadness when they talk about they're never going to get back to kind of just like the very just on the ground.We just love music so much.
29:00Yeah.We'll sleep on dirt floors in an unfinished basement.Then I'm just like, damn.There's a purity.It reminds me of my old band dayswhen we would do the same thing.The singer and my first band had an addictthat we had practiced in
29:13and we'd sleep up there,just working on music,trying to prove ourselves.I was just incredibly hungry.It definitely brought backsome personal memories for meseeing that dungeon.But fuck.
29:24So I lost another quiz.Hell yeah, bro.Dude.Which means you get to pick firstwhen it comes to the last songstanding at the end of this episode,which...Let's fucking go.
29:35God damn it.Okay.All right.So now that we've set up the history and themes of Southern Player,I think it's time to get to the most contentious part of this entire show.We nominating, all right?And the Grammy goes to the Love Below Outcast.Speakerbox, the Love Below Outkast.
30:02Remember the goal of each episode of Last Song Standing is for Cole and I to determinethe single best song from an Outcast album.The songs we select over the course of the season will then.then duke it out in a season finale, Royal Rumble,where we'll be forced to agree on the last song standing.That's the greatest outcast song of all time.Right now, we're both going to get into it.Round one.
30:26Cole, since I'm going to be picking first,why don't you hit us with your first nomination?Let's just get into Players' Ball.Damn, I knew we were both going to pick Players Ball.Yeah, let's just get it.Let's just get it done.It's, you know, it's the oneoff this album. It's a super important song to their discography and to their legacy. It's what put them on
30:53the map. So let's just get it out of the way. We already talked about it a lot. But yeah, we shouldpreface it by saying it was supposed to be a song for this LaFace Christmas compilation album,which they then kind of flip into this quasi-Christmas song, not really, where they kind ofwrap around the idea of Christmas, which is my favorite part of like some of the lyrics are so funny.Like even just the opening line, it's like, it's beginning to look a lot like what.And it's like they just won't say the actual thing.I mean, Big Boy does the hallelujah.Hallelujah.
31:29You know, I do some things more different than I use.It's just like, to your point, they get right up to the edge of just being like,this is a Christmas song.And then just like, nope.And I think the funny kind of history of it is that they're very frank that L.A.read goes to organized noise.is like, hey, we need one more song for this Christmas album,can outcast, like, give us a song.
31:50And both Big Boy and Adjur, like,they're trying to ruin our careers.Fuck no, a Christmas song is so fucking whack.And I do think that, like, the original Players Ball does have, like,Christmas kind of effects.Like, I think, like, sleigh bells in the back.And then once Players Ball becomes, like, a huge hit,they take it off because it's just like,
32:11this can't just be a Christmas song.This is a hit.Like, this should just be.an everyday song.So I wanted to ask you,do you think of Players Ball as a Christmas song?Cole?No, I've definitely,
32:23like,so I went back and listened to the original.You can find the original,well,it's still a sleigh bells on the album,but they changed the actual lyric.Have you heard the one where it says,so at the end of the chorus on the original,
32:35it says when the player ball is happening on Christmas Day?I had to go.Yeah,because if I'm wrong,I feel like they use that different version for the video.Yeah,Yeah, the video is the piano, the remix version where they take the sleigh bells out.They kind of remix the beat a little bit, and then they have these changes to the lyrics.
32:56But even the one on the album, there's like so many versions of this song.It got kind of confusing to kind of parse them all out.But I was just going off the album version.But there is a version, the original version, if you go on Spotify to the actual LaFace Christmas album,you can hear that version of players ball where they actually say Christmas Day in the chorusand then they later change that to all day every day. But yeah, just again, to go back to thatwrapping around, like getting up to the line, like even like Andre says, so shut up that nonsenseabout some silent. And instead of saying silent night, just says silent silent, silent, like
33:32silencing the silent night. I mean, big boy says getting tipsy off the nog and high as helloff the contact smoke. Like they literally, the moment they say anything Christmasy, they're just like,what's the like what's the complete opposite thing that would say to sound cool.And that's, I think, the endearing part about this song is like knowing the history of,all right, they want to do this, they don't want to do this Christmas album.They don't want to be a part of it.But obviously, it's something that the label wants.So essentially organized noise and them agree that we're going to make this song
34:04that is essentially about what we do on Christmas, which is smoke, get high, drink in the dungeon.And then they throw this kind of like players ball on top of it all,which is I think even encapsulation of this album, which is these two very, very young,fresh out of high school rappers rapping about shit that either they're seeing just day to day.Maybe they've done a little bit.Like I think they both kind of like, especially Big Boy being like,I was selling drugs, but Big Boy doesn't rap about selling drugs, like Pusha T does.So there is this constantly through this album and on this song, this like how much of this is just high schoolers basically inventing characters or like blowing up their status in the city versus just like, hey, rapping about the people that they looked up to and were surrounded by it this time.
35:00Right. No, definitely.We didn't really talk about the music, which I think is really great.You know, there's no samples in this song.It's all original music, all original instrumentation, live music.musicians, you know, in terms of like their introduction to the world, I feel like this is a prettygood, pretty good, like, synthesis of, like, what made them special, you know? Like, they weren'ttrying to, to blend in from day one. It feels like they kind of had this established sound thatthey then just shared on this Christmas album, which I sent you guys a link to the actual
35:31Christmas album for context, because to me, this thing sticks out, like a sore thumb. Did you guysget to scan through the actual Christmas album at all? No, I was going tonot. How was it? How was theChristmas album? Give it a rating out of five.Five mics. I'm sorry.I mean, for a rating, be cool.For Christmas album, it's, I mean, it's pretty, I don't know, it's fine.You know, TLC, Tony Braxton. Like, for Christmas songs, it's, it's fine.
35:59Can I just interject to say that, like, I just don't want to disparage TLC's Slayride as a part of this.Slay Ride is a fucking banger. I don't care what anybody's.Let's play a clip right here just to get it in the people.people's ears. Yeah, it's a great. And you called that out when I texted you about it, Justin,and I re-listened to it. Somehow I knew, like, all the words to the first verse still. I haven't heardthis song in like 20 years. So yeah, great, great call out, Justin, because that is a great song,great original Christmas song. I mean, I think also what's interesting about Players Ball,which is interesting about this entire album is the fact that, like, this song is anchored by
36:41Sleepy Brown's hook. Like, the hook is just so infectious. And I do think,that it's interesting that so many of the big songs off this album, Outcast is not doing,is like sometimes doing the hook, but not really, or somebody is doing the more melodic parts.And I do think that this album might think even when they talk about it, there is a kindof sense of like them not having full control over it because they're not producing yet, becauseI don't think Andre had completely really come into his own. And even at that point, he eventalks about the fact that like he was not even rapping to the writing to the beat sometimes.He would be like, oh, I was listening to a lot of R&B music writing my lyrics and then I would
37:25go and match the beat.And I do think it's kind of funny going back and being like, damn, would Sleepy Brown have donethis hook even two or three years later or would Andre have tried to do it?If it's Big Boy, it's always going to be sleepy.If it's Andre, it might have turned out differently if he had even gone to Jamaica a couple ofyears earlier. So I findplayers ball is super interesting in theircatalog because it's like, oh,
37:51this is clearly a hit. And thisstill sounds like outcast,but a lot of the heavy lifting is doneby the instrumentation, by Sleepy Brown,and they're coming into theverses to kind of give it thatfinal push. Is that fair? No, yeah.I even like track this out
38:07because to your pointabout it's like an outcast album,but it's very communal in that way.And there's a lot of presence fromdungeon crew members from Organized Noise.Outcast on this album have,there's 11 actual songs if you cut the interludes,and only five of them,
38:24so less than half of the songs have hooks by Outcasts themselves.And the most of them are Big Boy,three out of the five are Big Boy.One is together and one is just Andre Solo,which is on Deep, the last song.So to your point, like,there was a lot of presence from Organized Noisefleshing out those hooks.
38:42Because I don't think that, yeah,they hadn't really found their voicein that way totally yet.And they're still being very much groomedand molded by organized noise.You know, there's stories about themrapping for LA Reed,getting rejected,
38:56and then organized noise,kind of like putting them in this boot camp experiencein the dungeon where they would be...They would be like jogging and they would have to likebe rapping their verses while they're jogging and shit,which is funny because it's just like,how like in comparison,how old was organized noise at this time?
39:12What, they were in their like 20s?and they're like telling these like 17 and 18 year olds go do fucking laps and rap.Yeah.But I mean,they were trying to get that star power.They're trying to get more of a,you know,all the things that L.A.
39:26Reed knocked him for because L.A.read was really their only connection to the music industry.And so they had to seek his approval.And so they did,you know,they worked to that point.But yeah,to your point,
39:36the hook is classic.It's,it's so good.And also I have to just shout out.There are,when we talk about like moments of,seeing where they would go.There's such a little moment, but my favorite part of this song,
39:50besides just like the great production in the hook,is Andre's second first,where he goes,my heart does not go pity pat for no rat.I'm leaning back my elbows out the window.Coke, Grumman, Indo fills my body.Where's the part?It goes, give me 10 and I'll serve you then.
40:06Now we've been.The corner in my cat, I lack.My heart does not go pity pat for no rat.I'm leaning back my elbows out the window.Coke, Raman, Endo feels my body.It's the partyWe rode deep to undergroundSeeds a lot of hoes around
40:18I spit my game while waitingIt's those moments like thatWhere he like gets it to a pocketYeahAnd he's like he's having funWhere a lot of timesI feel like Andreis kind of like getting up
40:31To if we're talking about likeOh they're just getting up to theThe part where they're going to saySomething Christmassy and they get backI feel like Andre has a lot of partsIn this album where he's getting into pocketsand he's having a little bit of fun,and then he reverts back to kind of like where big boy is at.
40:49And there's nothing wrong with that,but even watching some of the videos of a young Andre,he's not even as comfortable as Big Boy in a lot of those music videos.Like he's wearing like a Braves jersey,and he's kind of doing like what he thinks a rapper should be doing.But there's shots of him just like standing there.And I'm like, oh, you weren't fully fleshed out yet.You're still kind of wearing a rapper mask,
41:10which is fascinating to even see.Because at this point,he's not even Andre 3000 yet he's just going by Dre which is hilarious because I'm just likeof all the fucking names to pick in 1990 fucking four why would you just be like you know what theworld needs another Dre and he's from Atlanta just hilarious yeah my favorite line on hereit just makes me just because it's just so weird to hear Andre rap about guns where he's likeI'm like no matter what the season forever chill with my smith I sit my fifthI chill with Wesson,
41:44Smith of Wesson gunplay.It's just,it's just so odd to hear him.I mean, the lyricism is great.The flow is great.It's like,but to your point,like,
41:54watching the videos,it's like,it's one of those things where,like,maybe you wouldn't know to,to look for it had,because we knowthe transformation
42:03that occurs just shortly after this album,uh,in terms of Andre really finding himself.But it is funny to go back and look and just feel,yeah,he does seem like,acting a lot kind of playing a part and not quite expressing himself and you can really feel thatI think there is there is one moment a couple moments on the album that I'll say for later that I feel
42:23like the real Andre starts to peek out anything else on players ball you want to you want to no I justplayers ball it's funny like players ball just is the song like there's a lot the single all thesingles are really really good but players ball is just a fucking jam it is and it's just so funnybecause it's just like to your point, I think earlier,we don't, we don't really think of it as a Christmas songand you really have to like hone in on the lyricsbecause like even the video that they shoot,they're all in the club.
42:55They're just like in the club in a basement eating cereal, shooting pool.Like even the fucking video,I'm just like, you guys couldn't even commit to the bit for this shit.There's not like, oh, there are both fucking elves or Santa.It's like, nah, we smoke a weed.and we in a club drank it.I imagine you being in high schooland someone comes up and says,
43:15do a Christmas song.I mean, at that age, you're just like, fuck that.Yeah.Yeah.It's like such the cringiest shit, right?So for my second nomination,I want to touch upon something that you said, Cole,which is Andre,
43:32sometimes on this record,the rapping is great.It's still phenomenal.But what he's rapping about is so forward.to what we would know he would stand for just a couple of years later.So I want to go with one of my favorite songs off this.Ain't no thing.Andre's opening a smoke out in the dungeon with the merit dame. It's just a kiddye's.
44:07Y'all hear my shit go. It's Andre. Y'all hear my shit go. It's Andre. Can youpunk ass come out to play, stay in your little hole, then coward duck your head. You don't know whoyou be fucking with. You's better off dead.Again, to the get-go.You know, my shit go. It's Andre. Can your punk ass come out to play, say, stay in yourlittle hole, then coward duck your head. You don't know who you be fucking with. You's betteroff. Yeah, that's what I say. Best run the other way in case the physical breakdown.Y'all can break now. Again to the adolescent reference, can you come out to play?
44:36Yeah, it's just, it's so funny to see how.far Andre has come and he said something in an interview to the recording academy where we saidquote, I can't explain the gravity, attraction, or soundscape of that record. We were merelyhired young guns that only wrapped on the record, which organized produced in its entirety.I actually cringed out when listening to it because I hear how I was still trying to find outwho I was as a young man with many influences good and bad. I was only about three years away fromliving a pretty strict life with just my mom and I was essentially still a mama's boy thatgot sent to live with my dad and that's when I met big boy. So it is like even still to this day,
45:15it's funny hearing like how Andre even admits I was a mama's boy who was like just basicallytrying to keep up with my friends. And it's just like even he like when he's rapping it. I'm like,bro, Andre, you don't even believe this. But it sounds so good and he's rapping so well that you're like,it still sells it completely um i'm assuming you i have more stuff to say about ain't no thing but before icontinue do you like this song i was on my list it's i was going to nominate it if he didn't soit's definitely i it's close to my favorite it's definitely my favorite hook the hook is so fun the hookit's my favorite hook on this entire it's so fun ain't no thing but a chicken way we ever spoke out in a dungeonwith the bearer jane it's just the pips players mac daddy's e-point it's all about the
46:05saying, yo, it's the joy.The East Point, the way he says East Point makes me smile every single time.He's like, he's points.I think I like this hook so much because it does point to where I think they're aboutto go, which is, I think I love Outcast the most when they are playful, when they are leaninginto the fact that they are outsiders and they're so different.and you have this alchemic like relationship between this two,and you're going space age and horoscopes.
46:40And Ain't No Thing isn't that yet.But the hook to me is when they're really like,oh, these are kids just having fun.And it's just going to get so much better from here.What about ain't no thing besides the hook?Are you just like, oh, it puts it in?Because you didn't even look at me crazy when I picked it.No, I mean, I was probably going to pick it next.
46:59So it was, I mean, it's like I said,said, one of my very favorite songs, if not my favorite song, definitely my favorite hook. And the beat is like a standout. The beat is insane. It's so good. It's got a Miles Davis sample. It's from this really abstract when Miles was in his like electric phase. It's this like crazy live album. And it's like the sample is just like a blip. We can play it here. It's like a blip of a trumpet stab with some effects on it. Yeah. And it's like seven minutes into this long song. And it's like I just, you know,When you're thinking about them producing,it's like you think about them sitting through this abstract albumjust to pull this one little clip that then becomes this timeless beat.The drums are just,like to me,like this would fit on ATLians,
47:47this beat or this song even as a whole could fit on AT aliens.And you can't really say that about a lot of the songs on here.So it has just a,there's a clarity to this beat where I feel like a lot of,some of the songs on Southern Player are a little bit,convoluted. And I don't know if that's like maybe just a mix wasn't as clean, but ATLN's and has like a more stripped back feel and I feel like this, this beat could fit on there. It's just really clean. The drums knock. There's a really killer, uh, subsynth baseline. So I really like the beat. Again, the rapping, there's not really like a, like, I don't know if you thought this too, but like there's not like a, they never get too low with the rap. Like there's not a song where I'm like the rapping's just subpar. But there's also not a song where like, I, like,I feel like they're just, like, there's a rapping that's miles ahead of everything else.So it's like the verses are great, but the verses are great are kind of on every song.
48:42It's kind of like a given.The rapping quality is like a given across the album.There's not as much like big boys punch lines aren't as inventive or tight.You know, there's no polar bear line.There's no just like he's not as descriptive.Andre's voice is it as elastic yet.It's still like, he's a teenager, but his voice is like very deep and he's kind of adding a verymacho bravado.
49:06And one of my hot takes for this,it's probably a mild take.Is Southern Planoisticjust a very, very fantasticclassic, you know,fucking weed album?Like, is it just like, because it's just like,even Andre at this point,
49:21like, after this album releases,he becomes a vegetarian,he quits marijuana, and he's like,I don't, he was very scared that,like, yo, what am I as a rapperwithout weed?was Southern player just because, like, he was like,yeah, we were smoking so much weed.
49:37And it's funny listening back to this album where I'm like,every song is literally about like three to four things.It's like Cadillac's cars,smoking a lot of fucking weed,shooting you in the face,and like selling drugs.And it's just like,that is kind of like content wise,
49:53usually where a lot of their verses go back to.But the heavy thing that they keep going back to like,dog, we're smoking a lot of weed.which is once again when we talk about them being like 17 18 when they make this makes a lot of sensebecause I'm just like oh y'all know a lot about smoking weed and you're not that detailedabout all of the other shit like when Andre Bigmore you're talking about like shooting peoplelike guys guys well to that point let me shoot one of my favorite lines on here again Andrerapping about gums he says 357 to your forehead they'll be much
50:31more dead because I'm a pro kid.Great rhyme scheme there.But Lord forgive me, I got to keep my Millie, write, veneer me.But he, like, slurs it to say, like,he's playing on Millie Vanilli.Do you know who Millie?Are you old enough to know who Millie Vanillae?They're giving me a face.
50:48Yes, I know who fucking Millie Vanillae is.Like, what, like, do you think I grow up under a rock?I don't know.I mean, that was pretty early on.And they were just mostly known for lip syncing, which now is,in retrospect so funny they got so clown for lip-syncing when everyone fucking lip-sinksI mean I also remember whoa whoa whoa whoa I want to fact check this they didn't get clown forlip-syncing they go clown for not singing their songs and then presenting themselves as a singer
51:16they were other singers okay okay they weren't like lip-sinking live at their showsother singers saying the songs and then they went on and it's lip-sinked them okay okaythanks Justin that's important I love how Justin is just like whoa whoa Ilove your memory, Justin. I'm the keeper of Millie Vanilly. No, I think it's great that I had to chime in and be like, no, no, no, no, no. It's still fuck Millie Vanilly. But anyways, I love that line. Again, Andre Gunplay, I'll take it. But yeah, this is a great, I love this song. It's so fun. I think this is like, here's a thing. It's going to be tough for me to pick which one I want to go with. I think Ain't No Thing is probably just like my personal favorite. Like, I'm not talking about like which song I think ofis the best on this album.But for like when I'm writing like around, I'm just like, this is the one that I probablylike, I'm like, oh, I got to listen to this again.Oh, let me just repeat it one more time.
52:11So it is just one of the most infectious songs on this album.Your second nomination, what are you going with?Okay.Let's go get up, get out featuring Goody Mob.You need to get up, get out and get something.How will you make it if you never even try?You need to mind.So I love this song.
52:35It's a seven-a-half minute posse cut, which you just don't find often these days.It features Seelow on the hook and the first verse, got Big Gip on the third verse.And they're rapping like 16 bars is like the normal length of a rap verse.Each of their verses are like over 20.Most of them are 28 bars, which is just like a long time on a posse cut with four complete verses.I love just the field of the song.I like the message of the song.And I think thematically, when we're kind of talking about,
53:10thematically, this album's a little bit limiting.They're not really saying all too much.I feel like this is the one that has something to say.And it also like points to stuff they'll do a lot more later in their career,which is we talked on two episodes previously about this idea of ascension and outcast,trying to like push people to uplift people,but also take them to these higher places.And you get that here with the chorus,
53:34you know, the chorus is all about kind of motivating yourself, being self-motivated because societyor your parents might not be the ones motivating you. Before we going too long, was this on your list?Do you like this song? All right. So the song is not on my list. Oh, wow. Okay. I will say to you thatI think this song arguably is probably the most important off this album. Maybe not the best, but importantin terms of like, to your point, they're honest about it. Both Andre and Big Boy were like,they went out to tour this album.And while Players Ball might have been bigger,I think they started noticing fans coming up to them being like,
54:12yo, I listen to get up, get out.I listened to what you guys were saying.I finished college or I stopped doing this or I stop.And I like, to your point, I like what you said,I think that this song is kind of like the skeleton key of like them realizing that,oh, we not only do we have more to say,but we can be a more worldly group.And I think Southern Playalistic comes in a tradition of they probably wanted to create their Atlanta album, where it's like, Ilmatic is very much a New York album.
54:45Like, Nas is talking about where he grew up.People are like, this is a biography for us.And I think you had that on the West Coast and you didn't have that on the South yet.But I think Get Up, Get Out is the song that's looking past Atlanta.It's looking past talking to like the players and the strippers.and the drug dealers and all of the hopefuls.And it's just like, no, this song is for anybody, you know?And it's, that's why I think you can't,
55:13you can't extract it from this album,but hot take, I don't know, get up, get out,never did it for me.Really?Justin has something to say.I can see it.Can you see it?Yeah.
55:26Okay, this was the third single,and I remember when the song came out on BT,and it,I wasI like this songI want to start by sayingI like this songbut I have some issues
55:39I have some issueswith this songfirst of allit's seven minuteswith likevery little variance in the beatwhich is just kind of an insane thingsecond
55:50if we're talking about thisas the best outcast songcan it be when Cilohas the best verseon the albumlet's fucking goCelo has the best verseon the song
56:00and probably the albumThis is the best verse on the song.Don't sleep on Andre's verse on this song, though.But yes, continue.Celo is the star of this song coming out of it.I will say this.I said this last time, and I think that you guys touched upon this.Listening in 1994, I didn't know all the contours of who Big Boy was and who Andre was.
56:22I just knew these were two guys rapping.And there wasn't, like, now looking back, I could see the differences in their styles and how they evolved.But at the time, they just, like, they sounded as.similar enough on this album.Maybe it doesn't sound that way looking back, but at the timethey did. No, they do, yeah.And there's just something that's like not totallydistinguishable about them from one another.
56:42Sealo just jumps off the record.Like you immediately, like he comes in,his voice, the things he's saying.Seelow's really good on this record.A sub take, which I texted by textedat Charles this week. I don't know if I stand by itfully, and I know that's the first rule of a takeis you've got to stand by a take. But
56:59Goody Mob's soulful.Food might be a better record than Southern Playlistic.I think that the highs on Soul Food are probably better than the highs on this record.And I think that had the, I think Goody Mob was a much more finished product, just likeyou guys were talking about Big Boy being a much more finished project.Like, I know who Coojo was.I know who Seelow was when I listen to that record.And those songs are really good.
57:23I mean, do you think that's also just because at the time they're making Southern Playalistic,like outcast Goody Mob or.Organized noise are kind of one organism at this time.So it's just like, get up, get out makes sense if you're just like, this is kind of a starring vehicle for Seelow.And organized noise has enough power to be like, yo, goody, till a face, goody mob is next.So because like I do see how outcast is probably an easier pitch at that time.Sure.Then good.
57:57Sure.Is that unfair?You know, they're good.They're smooth.they're better looking.Like, no, shit.Like, I'm sorry.This is, if this is going to be the dissect episode where we say full bush for the first
58:08time, then it's going to be the dissect episode where I say that Seelow just was notan attractive man relative to Andre and Big Boy.I have one more take about the song.And it is the song with a message.However, should we be giving it points when that was, when that message at times kind of veers into,Hey, how about you pull up your pants?Yeah.Okay, let me lay out, because this really changed my perspective on it.
58:37Seelow, like you guys are saying, it's a big part of this song.He's got an incredible verse, and he obviously is the hook.So Seelow writes this one year after his mother passes away.She was a firefighter.She got in her car accident, paralyzed for two years, and passes when Seelow was 18.Seleo's dad died when he was two years old.So not only is he getting out of school in that classic kind of like,what do I knew next after high school, not going to college,
59:10what am I going to do with my life type thing.Also, his parents are gone.He moves in with his aunt.And so he talks about this being the song that he kind of lets it all out.It was one of the first songs that he wrote or contributed to after his mom's passing.And he said it's like totally autobiographical.in terms of like where his mind was at this time and trying to motivate himself to do somethingwith his life rather than fall into doing drugs and just kind of like pissing away his life.
59:40So I get, I can see where that could be a critique, Justin, but knowing the context of it,it just feels very authentic to me to where it's, it's just, yeah, it's just like trying to motivateyourself.When no one else is there, he has no parents to motivate him.So yes, it's all on him.What is, no, what is the emotional version of being dissected?Is it like, you have, you have melted my, my ice cold heart on this one.Yeah, I was, like, Cole dropped one on you.
01:00:08Yeah, I was, I was about to come in here, I'm about to be like, I'm about to be like, yada, yada, yada, respectability politics.Ha, ha, ha, ha.Isn't this so cool?And Cole's like, actually, this is a really heartfelt song.And I'm like, fuck.So I like this song, like, I like this.song, it's just to your point that I, I know it's an outcast song. I know it's on their album,but the reason I didn't pick it is I'm like, can get up, get out really go far at the end of the
01:00:41season? Fair. If it is like the hook, what do we remember about this? We remember the hookand see those verse. And I'm sure people like, no, so and so has the best verse. But on myAndre's verse is great. And if we're talking about Andre not really,expressing himself on this album, I think you can look to this verse as the closest preview ofthe Andre to come, you know?Let me take y'all way. Back to when a nigger stayed in southwest Atlanta, A.Y'all could not tell me nothing thought I hit that bottom rock at age 13, start working at thatloading dock. Then laying my mama off a work in a remote is tripping, but I come home back
01:01:18like Hank from making and dipping. Doing dumb shit not knowing what a nigger know now.Yeah, that petting shit will have you cached up and locked down.Andre got a good verse.I'm not taking anything away from Andre.He takes us through his entire childhood, his middle school, dropping out of high school.It's like a total autobiography of his entire life in one verse.I think it's great.Go back and listen to his verse.
01:01:38It's really good.And there's nothing showy about it.He's not trying to front.He's not trying to put on to act.It's very introspective.Talks about not listening to his mom.Kind of pokes at his own veneer in like putting on this persona.That's not really him.
01:01:54He says,the doper that I get, the more I'm feeling broke his shit.So, I don't know, it revealed a lot to me.And the Seelow thing, I probably wouldn't have nominated this, but the Seelow thing put me over the edge.I'm a sucker for meaningful songs.And on an album that doesn't have all that meaning in that way, I had to talk about that.Oh, hell yeah.See, Justin, you should open your heart a little bit more.
01:02:17Stop being so fucking cheap.You know what?I will for literally anything besides Infinity War.Well, with that, guys, we're going to go on a little break.And when we get back, we're going to pick our final songs for the nominations.And then we're going to pick our two choices for the greatest songs off Southern Playlistic.Make sure, stay tuned.All right, Cole, it's time for our final songs.
01:02:43And I have a feeling that we might have both picked the same song, but I might be wrong.Okay, let's hear it.Your turn.I'm picking the title track, Southern Playalistic Cadillac music.The hook on this song.song is my second favorite hook after ain't no thing southern playlistsic catalogue punkmusic it's when we talk about this being like a writing around record just like holyshit yeah this might be my favorite beat off the album I think oh really okay it's so infectious
01:03:24it I do think of outcast as such a like a melodic group even for this time but especially asthey get along and just like the hook to this is insane.I think it has some of their most nimble rapping.Before I continue,you didn't pick this,did you?No,I did.
01:03:45I was going to try to give some love to Crumbling Herb.But,wait,before we,before we finish the playlistic,make a case for Crumbling Herb because for people who don't know this story,uh,Logan Murdoch,
01:04:00friend of the fucking show.He came into L.A. where I live now.We got some nice dinner.We had some burgers together.Justin was nice enough to drive us.And we're driving back to Logan's hotel.And he decides to put on Crumbling Herb.And then I pissed everybody off in the car when I was like,
01:04:22I don't we fuck with Crumbling Herb like that.Not really my favorite song.I don't even like Crumbling Herb.I'll be real.And they acted like I fucking killed a puppy.you don't like the hook of crumbling herb.That hook is great.It's like if you're talking about car music,
01:04:39it's like the perfect driving music to me.I'm a sucker for the chords on this song are so good.It's got this really great keyboard line.I just,I mean,again,like a lot of me trying to pick the songs on this albumwhere the rapping is going to be always pretty good or great.
01:04:54So it's mostly about the beat and the hook.And like,to me,the beat and the hook are some of my favorite moments.It's like,in terms of like a vibe,a vibe song?You're like usually the vibe guy.
01:05:08Like this is full of vibes on the song.Here's the thing.The production,the hook,I agree.It's just like,I don't know.I'm very particular about like
01:05:16my weed music.It's like crumbling herb.I'm just like.Is it a weed song though?It's not a weed song.It's like kind of existential,right?There's only so much time
01:05:28and left in this crazy world.I'm just crumbling herb.So he's getting high,but he's also like,He's trying to chill.He's trying to...Wait, isn't that a weed song?I mean, it is.
01:05:39Why I don't pick the song is because the potential of the hookand Andre really goes in on this existential,like, we only have so much time left.But then, like, Big Boy doesn't get into that at all.And then by the end of the song,Andre just starts rapping about weed too.But, like, in the first verse, he says,he opens with, let me dig into your brain,
01:05:59folks falling like rain,talking about people dying around him.Poverty got me selling things.Guess I'm going to explain.And then later he says, the clock is ticking.People from my block are missing.I'm putting it down.Like it'd be hot before we all get shot.
01:06:14So there's like, it's like pretty dark at first.And so like the crumbling herb aspect is this like escape and this attempt to to keep it light and enjoy life while you're still here.But then it kind of like just disassembles into just a classic weed song by third and fourth.Honestly, I was lying.I like the production.I think it's the hook.I think it's the hook.You don't like the hook?
01:06:36It's like,there's only so much time left in this crazy world.I'm just crumbling herb.It's just like, I always laugh.I'm just like, it's like when he does the,I'm just crumbling nerve.I just, I, it's so goofy to be.I don't know why.
01:06:53It's like, it's funny.I laugh, but I can't, like,you are right about the existential stuff in the song you are.but like delivering that existential stuffand the sleepy brown just coming inand be like, I'm just crumbling nerveit's just like all right manI don't know
01:07:09Justin why you look so fucking upsetI know he's so pissed right nowI mean first of all isn't the chorus moreyou're the one who was fucking shitting onfucking C-low and get up get out a couplefucking yeah no I do want to say that I cannotso I think the chorusmy interpretation of the chorus has been
01:07:28more aboutit's about black on black violenceright and how it's part of theyeah that's the second part of it yeah the master planand how it's like thisthis idea of like this is what theCharles Died disappeared from the cameraI want to make sure
01:07:48oh my cat sushiwe're recording this one at homesushi is not fucking with this crumbling herbokay I just song more than meI just wanted to make sureI said, I always thought the songs about black on black violence and Charles just disappears.Oh, I did put down my mic and I literally was listening because I was just like, I was tuned in because I'm like, please, Justin, what do you want to tell me about black?I'm not, I'm not, I'm talking about it.
01:08:13Okay.I just, I do want to, I do want to say, though, that I cannot talk about the hook on get up, get out without also acknowledging that this song is kind of in the same vein as that.So I have to admit that the hook is a little preachy where a lot of this record is not.Am I off base on that, Charles?I don't think so.That's probably also where I think their hearts are in the right place,but it's so funny when like ATLians comes right after this.And we were clear, like still some of the politics on ATLEs don't work.
01:08:52But they definitely, the preachiness is not as like intense.as some of the crumbling er.I don't know.Let's get back to Southern Playerbecause I interrupted with the crumbling herb.Here's the thing.I want you to pick your heart.If you're going to put one of your three picks
01:09:09is going to be crumbling herb.Just do it.No, I just,I mean, I got it.I got it off.I'm not picking that as my last long standing.So we talked about it enough.We gave it, it's due.
01:09:17So you're picking Southern Player.Yeah, for this exercise,I've got to go with Southern Player for sure.What is it about Southern Player to you?Because you know I'm a hook guy.So this is just like,Like, this sounds cracked to me.This looks not my favorite, to be honest.
01:09:31Like, what?You like, do you like the crumbling herb hook better than this?Oh, maybe.Yeah, probably.Probably.Maybe it's just the, maybe it's not the melody.I just, the singer, it's not just, it's not my cup of tea.No offense.
01:09:49But I just like Sleepy Brown's voice a lot.I mean, I like Sleepy Brown too.I fuck with Sleepy Brown heavy.He's a legend.OG.but you like the crumbling er bookbetter than the title trackthis is a hot take hole
01:10:03I don't is it okayI don't really fuck with this at allfor me it's the beat thoughthe beat on this thing is greatthe instrumentation againjust crazy livethere's a fucking saxophone soloon the intro
01:10:15just is a greatoh this solo is insaneit puts me in just such a good mood brolike if we're talking about likeYeah, because sometimes it's hard to go back in time and be like, what was so different about outcast?Because our ears are so much more open to like different sounds.Hip-hop has gone a million different places since 1994.So it's hard to like distinguish.
01:10:46Why were they such outcasts in the genre?And I think you can point to a song like this, which does feel very distinct and different from definitely the East Coast.I would say it's more similar to like that West Coast feeling, but it's definitely a different spin on like this funk influence.Right. So the production is what I feel like really sets this apart. And it starts with that 808 beat, which you think is going to carry through, but then they just flip it. It's like so cool.Yeah. And it's like it's just, and talking about cruising music, if you're trying to just live up to the title, like it does so perfectly.So yeah, there's three verses on the song, and each verse, Andre and Big Boy trade off, which I just love. I love when they exchange mid verse and just really play off that chemistry.Andre's opening line on the second verse is so good.Are you a WWF, WWE fan?
01:11:41I am not.Okay, talk about childhood references, because I was a, like, that was,WWF when I was like elementary school was my, I was obsessed.And so he says,And so he says,Then I yell, Ho.Ho is a shot out to Hacksaw Jim Duggan.I don't know if you know him,
01:12:00but he used to say,ho, that was like his trademark scream was ho.And Dusty Rhodes had a special finishing move called the Bionic Elbow.Justin, do you know these references?Were you W at FN?When I was a kid, I want to say that again, we stick around for the Stinger, folks,but like Charles being too good for Dusty Rhodes and Hacksore Jim Duggan, but being like,oh no, like the Green Goblin is going to like, go do that.
01:12:29He's going to save the day.He's going to love him.Green Goblin wasn't even in Infinity War.He's a villain.So he's a part of the Sony Spider-Man universe.Watch yourself.Oh, I'm sorry.I'm sorry.
01:12:40There were multiple.There's a multiverse of shit just going around with that stuff.But like, no, yeah.I mean, drop these bows like Dusty Rhodes is great.It's also like a couple years later connects to the ludicrous song, throw them bows, you know.It's just some real Atlanta shit here.It's great.Great song.
01:12:59Great verses.I love this song.Well, it's the M.R. Crooked Letter coming around the South Rowland,straight hymn is and bows in that old southern slouch.Like, it's, I will say this too.Andre kind of mentioned that one thing that, like, makes him cringe about this recordis that he felt as if he wasn't as crisp as he wanted to be.He could not, like, pronounce his words as well as he would in other albums.
01:13:27I will say big boy gets him on this album.Like big boy's like he obviously gets better as a rapper.But I do think big boy just in terms of like kind of having the blueprint of the big boy flow,the slang he would use the pockets getting in and out of rhythms.I was constantly surprised.I was like, oh, big boy was I think a little bit more finished than Andre.In my notes, I have like this feels.Big Boy,
01:13:59they don't want to declare a winner, but it's like his presenceis stronger on this album, I feel like.And Justin made a great point where it's like Andre kind of blends in with Big Boy.And maybe we just think about that in retrospect,again, knowing where Andre would go to differentiate himself.But Big Boy had found himself.And again, he would iterate and polish this version,this persona as they matured.
01:14:21But the essence of who Big Boy is,is you can feel it on this record,where Andre, again, you can feel that he was kind of playing a part,or at least in retrospect, that's what it feels like.And so I agree with you.Like Big Boy's presence is much stronger to me on this record.Although I'll say Andre, I personally has some better moments than Big Boy does,especially on like Get Up, Get Out, where it does point to where he would go.
01:14:48But I agree with you.So yeah, Southern Player, I'm happy with that pick.It does have, is it?I didn't catch this until.I was like scrolling through the lyrics.But is this,I can't decide this is really good or just corny.But Andre says,
01:15:04I'm packing my tag backwards if you want to be acting wrong.So tag backwards is Gat.So he says,I'm packing my Gat backwards.If your base is,what's,that good?Andre's a legend.
01:15:20He is,but everybody got some stinkers.You know,every,everyone got some stinkers.it's fine. I love this album. It's just, there's a lot of lines on this record where I was just like,oh, you guys were teenagers. Yeah. Because it right after he says,Ward is Bond like super glue. It's funky like pooper scoop. Oh no. I like that one. I like
01:15:40that layer. I wrap that one in the car. That one's dope. That one's dope. I'm giving him that one.Okay. All right, guys. So to go over, round one, we both had players ball. Round two,Cole had get up, get out, I had an ate no thing in round three.Cole had Southern Playalistic and I had Southern Playalistic.Now that we've made our case for what songs from Southern Playlistic Cadillac music are in contention for Outcast best of all time.Each of us must choose our last song standing, aka the song we're bringing with us to the season finale Royal Rumble.I'm so pissed right now because I get to go first.So you get to go first.
01:16:20well okay well let's just see what you do becauseI have some strategy herehmmooh what's your heart telling youCharles not the troll what's your heart telling youno I got it I got it or is your heart just a trollis your heart my heart is trollingmy heart is trolling and I really like I think right now
01:16:44if we go back I havebombs over BaghdadelevatorsOoh.I'm going to be honest,I'm in between Players Balland Souther playlist of Cadillac music.And I think I like Southern Playlists
01:16:57to Cadillac music more,but Players Ball is more importantto their discography.Would you be upset if I didn't pick Southern Playerand if you picked Players Ball?Because that is a very real possibility.Don't get my fucking head, Cole.Don't play fucking mind games.
01:17:17I'm just going with my heart.I'm going Players Ball, bro.Don't get in my heart.I'm going players ball.God damn it, dude.You tried to fuck.Like, I can see it, bro.You're trying to put the breadcrumbs.
01:17:27No.Players ball.I came here to win.We're going players ball.God damn it, dude.And here's the thing.I know I'm a sellout.I like Southern play a catalog music better.
01:17:39See, that's what I was saying.Go with your heart, dude.Nope.Nope.Because now you put me in a tough spot.Fuck.You're going to.Pick, get up, get out.
01:17:47It's fine.More people.Do you think more.people like Players Ball in2024 or more people like Get Up, Get Up, Get Out.Players ball, come on.I think. It's not even close.To quote Kendrick,
01:17:59you're faking for likes and digital hugs, Charles.Damn, I am.I am. This is this, like, here's the thing.There's been a lot of podcasts where I've had to own upto the fact that I'm fake as hell.It's fine. Hollywood Holmes is here.The realness, we left it on the East Coast, baby.This time for that celebrity status.
01:18:17Go pick your song.What song did you pick?God damn it.See, I was trying to get you to not pick Players Ballbecause I really wanted itbecause I genuinely liked the songand it's genuinely my favorite on the album.So now you force me to pick,
01:18:31see, this is where I'm like,Southern Player or Get Up, Get Out.Get Up, Get Out is nowhere near going to belike Southern Playlistic.We can have an argument.We can have an argument about that song.That's a good song.Get Up, Get Out is a great song as well,
01:18:45but like we can't have that greatest outcast fucking songwhere Seelow kills them on their own shit.Like, you just can't.But there's a part of me that just wants to leave Southern Player outjust to fuck with you.It's fine.It's fine.Here's the thing.
01:18:59It's your graphic card.You know what I'm saying?Okay, hold on.We're totally forgetting about Ain't No Thing, though.Wait, Ain't No Thing was my nomination.Now you're going to steal my nomination?Yeah, whatever.It was on my list.
01:19:12Oh, fuck off.Because A Ait No thing is my favorite song.No.Wait, really cool?I genuinely like ain't no thing better than Southern player.Pick it.Justin, what do you think?Pick it.
01:19:25We've entered weird territory.You guys are playing opposite day here.I know.Last episode two.Three episodes running.Oh, fuck.The fact that you're outsmarting me, Charles is just really good.I came ready.
01:19:40Getting under my skin.Because here's a thing.I like all of these songs.I like all these songs, but it's also like this isn't about my taste.an exercise about like winning the people's hearts, winning the charts. You know what I'm saying?I know I'm a very controversial figure at the ringer and on the dissect feed. And this is my,this is me saying to the audience, I hear you. I'm for y'all now. So pick what I'm saying.Your graphics is going to look crazy, Cole. I know. That's the big, dude. My, my graphics
01:20:09not looking great. But if I'm being honest to myself, okay, here's the battle. Here's the battle.Personally, I like ain't nothing better than Southern player.But if I'm in this exercise specifically where you're trying to toe the line between your favorite but also be an objective, what is the best song?I think you'd have to pick Southern Player.Justin, am I wrong with that?Are we, are we doing a life?Are we asking what I would pick off this album?Yes.
01:20:34Yeah.If you do not pick Southern Player, I am considering using my.Oh, shit.Oh, shit.And I'm not sure I'm going to.But like, I, before we started the season, I sat down and wrote down.on what I thought what's the best song on every album.And for me, it was like clearly Southern Playeristic.
01:20:53Wow.Okay.The title track.Yeah.All right.In the spirit of being somewhat objective and trying to be true to this exercise,I do think Southern player is the correct pick.So with some trepidation, it's a great song.
01:21:12I don't want to undermine it.Yeah, I love this song.You think I'm more mad that you fucking.I'm more mad that you pick fucking.in players ball when it'sthat's what's really making me madbut let's lock it inSouthern Blailistic Cadillac music is my pick.
01:21:28All right, I got players ball.Now, every episode,Justin, you already hinted at it,you get a coaches challenge.I'm assuming you don't have to use it anymorebecause Cole ended up going with Southern player.Yeah, I'm trying to think of likeso what stones are we leaving off.
01:21:44Ain't no things great.Get up, get out.Get up, get out.I personally would not use it on get up, get out.Rumbling herb. Yeah. Hootie-hoo, deep, no. You know a song I really like which didn't get discussed?It's not going to be my pick, but claimant true. Really? That baseline is insane. I just like, I think I said it at thebeginning, but the baselines on this album are insane. I would agree with that. And claimanttrue is one of them. I'm not going to pick it, but those drums in that baseline, man.
01:22:14That is also one thing about this exercise is it feel like people are going to be like, oh, you guyspick the singles and I'm like, no, no, no. Like Outcast, their deep cuts are still good, but I thinktheir singles are just so potent that I do, it is a bummer that I'm just like, damn, like,that's their, but that's their best, like, one of their best talents to me is towing that lineof accessibility with artful quality. Like, they do it better than anyone or as good asanyone where they give you these high quality songs that are also radio friendly. Like, to me,that is what makes Outcast really special.Well, I have a feeling that when we get to a Quemini,
01:22:52which is not going to be next week,but when we get to a Quemini,we might not be picking singlesbecause we're talking Rosa Parks and skew it on the Barbie.Right, right.Oh, yeah.And I just, like, those are great songs.And I'm, you know, I'm sure a lot of people listen to this.
01:23:10It's like, well, Rosa Parks is great.I'm like, there are.No, we got the art of storytelling too.Like, we got chunky fond.Because here's the thing, I'm not going to pick.Wait, my mic, because I love Chunky Fire.Damn.Now I just want to do, I want to do Equimini next.
01:23:25So just to clarify, I am not using my coach's challenge this week.You did get close.You did get really close.I had to, I basically had to, I'm anticipating having to use it for Equimini.And I didn't want, it's like, you know, if, if there's a bad foul call in the first five minutesof an NBA game, you're like, I don't want to use my coaches challenge right now because whatif I needed in the fourth quarter?Right.
01:23:53Yeah.But that's kind of how I felt using this.I'm like, if Southern player doesn't get picked, I might have to use it.But I didn't.I took one for the team.It was a good pick, though.All right.Should we reveal who we doing next, Charles?
01:24:08Yeah.Let's do it.Next episode is an Andre 3000 special.So what we decided to do with Speakerbox Love Below is split them into their ownepisodes since they are their own albums. And we are going to start with Andre's Love Below.We are also going to be covering Andre's features in that episode, which I am very, very excited about.Oh, I'm so excited. I once, like, here's the thing. Shout out the blogs. I used to have amixtape that just compiled all of his features. And I was just like, fuck. Like, that was,
01:24:41it was a great time. So we're doing, just to repeat, we're doing Love Below, Andre Features. Then the nextepisode we're doing big boy speakerbox all his features and honestly his albums becausebig boy has been prolific in a way that uh let's just say andre has been all right well thankyou to justin of course to kevin pooler audio production and bureaucratic for the theme music we willsee you back next week for andre three thousand special all right we're backcole tell the people about our favorite segment all right this is our colescultural exchange. This is where Charlesshares something special to him. I
01:25:28share something special to meand we get to know each other a little bit moreand the things we love.This week made mehate you more than...This is great. This is a great day of life.This is like tearing our bond apart because you made mesit through. Well, in all
01:25:44honesty, I didn't watch the completetwo and a half hour infinity.What? Oh, I did.Oh, I did.Why'd you give it on letterbox, Justin?Do you want to know my letterbox review?Please.I'm going to read my letterbox review.
01:25:59Just for clarity, it was Avengers.Is it, what's it called, Charles?Avengers, Infinity War.And the context.Highest grossing movies of all time.And the context was that Justin and I had never seen a Marvel movie outside of BlackPanther.So we are going into this with an open mind, into the Marvel universe.
01:26:16You chose this fucking movie for whatever reason.Justin, let's hear your letterbox review.Okay.I keep in mind, I had to get this.across in a few words, so I kind oflike, I hadto simplify what was going on herefor all of my 150
01:26:32followers on Letterbox.And I said,had to watch this shit basically becauseI lost a bet or something.Maybe the ugliest movieI've ever seen.I do enjoy that Bradley Cooper is doing like10% Peter Falk voice.
01:26:48Put the raccoon in a Cassavetti's film.Do you guys know Peter Falk, Columbo?Yes.Yeah.And Bradley Cooper, as the raccoon, is kind of doing that voice a little bit, and it's fantastic.And I just, I'm like, that is like the one saving grace I watched from this, that I took from this thing.Because I cannot fucking believe that you, a grown man, are coming to me and Cole, two purveyors of some of the, some of the, some of the, coal is sitting here trying to, like, dissect the finer points of art.I'm asking for people to just enjoy things that make them feel things in their soul.
01:27:24and you are out here saying,what if like, you know,the fucking Hulk couldn't really,he had to put on a thingand like fight the HALs.The Hulkbuster aren't,not a thing.The fucking Hulkbuster armor.
01:27:36I got some questions about Hulk specifically,actually,but continue.Charles,last time you said you criedwhen you walked in a movie.At what point did you cry?When they were all fucking
01:27:46disintegrating or whatever,that cheesy ass like,I don't feel so good.I don't feel so good.I don't feel so good, Mr. Stark.Oh man, I was a wreck.I was like, Peter, no, Spider-Man.Like, here's the thing.
01:27:59I knew that they were all going to be fine because I read all these comics.Like, they were going to be fine.Wait, they come back?Well, spoiler.I'm assuming you guys aren't going to watch Avengers Endgame.No, they all come back at the end.Oh, my God.Okay, so here's, I actually liked the ending.
01:28:16I was like, oh, shit, they're going dark with it.This is kind of cool.But now that you told me that just the one saving grace of this movie,we're like, oh, fuck, they actually killed.some people. You're telling me that all they just fucking come back. I mean, they're notgoing to kill Spider-Man. What are you insane?Can I guys? Why don't, wait, you guys didn't enjoy this. Dana's so cool. Can I, can I, can I tell you something? Can I tellyou something? Watching this move me made me respect every other movie that's ever been made. And here's
01:28:46the one reason why. Because the second I put this on, I'm like, did I actually put on the wrong one?because there's so much shit happeningthat I have no context for.This is 19 films worth of fan service coming together.The second I put on, I'm like...Y'all didn't think any of this was cool?They're fighting fucking Thanos,who has the infinity gauntlet, bro.
01:29:07Thanos had some points.Thanos has some points,but I do think that guy was hanging outon the same corners of YouTube as Kyrie.Oh, don't say that.Don't say...Wait, so you guys didn't like in the beginningwhere, like, Thanos is just coming in
01:29:21And then he's giving the Hulk the work.He's like, ba, blah, blah, bab.Just like killing him.Thor's like, no, you kill my brother.And then they're fighting in New York.None of that.None of that hit, y'all.Did they film any of this on, I'm sorry, Cole.
01:29:34I keep cutting you off.This is your show.Did they film any of this on location or was it all CBI garbage?Because this looked fucking.This is so fucking awful looking.And Don Cheadle's dumb face when he gets like whacked and he's like, oh, like this.I'm sorry.I'm sorry.
01:29:50I'm sorry.I need the floor for like two more seconds.And I'll give it to you and then I'll deter my mic up.Why are you being so elitist?Why are you elitist fucking member of the goddamn media?Can I read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia page?Can I have the summary?Can I do that?
01:30:09No.All right, go get your little shit off.Get your jokes off.Having acquired the Power Stone, one of the six Infinity Stones from planet Zandar.Thanos and his lieutenant's Ebony MaughCoe obsidianProxima midnightCorvus Glave
01:30:27intercept the spaceshipcarrying survivors of Asgard'sdestructionAfter subduing ThorThanos extracts the space stoneFrom TerrastackOverpowers the Hulk and kills LokiThani also kills
01:30:40HeimdowAfter he sends HulkHymdowAfter he sends Hulk to EarthUsing the BifrostBy frostBy frostAll this is lit
01:30:53All this is fucking litBroWhat the fuck?What the fuck are any of these wordsWho the fuck are any of these peopleWhat the fuck is going on with this shit?Why do you think you're betterThan the American public, Justin?
01:31:06Both of youWhat the fuck?All rightI'm salt of the earthWhat the absolute fuck man?And you guys are bicostal elitesAll rightTell me what
01:31:15Here ColeWhy was Infinity Warwhy were why was it up to your artistic standards okay but okay here's a thing going in with no contextand like no affinity for any of these characters to be fair this is the end of like 20 films soi like i purposely fucked to you guys or i was just like they're not going to understand one thinghappening in this like i get like they set up all the moments where like new people come on like i getlike people would cheer like whatever like i get i got a sense of that but without contextthere were so many moments where I just laughed out loud
01:31:51because it's like you see the dude andthat played Sherlock. What does he play in that movie?Dr. Strange? You mean? Dr. Strange? He's like a grown manand a cape waving his hands aroundlike without context. It's just fucking hilarious.And then just like that. He's a magician doing magic.What's hilarious about that?Just literal. Okay. So what's going on with the Hulk?
01:32:15Is he supposed to be like bad? Because like, orIs Mark Ruffalo just awkward or is the character supposed to be awkward?Why is he dressed like a community college professor?Because Bruce Banner is supposed to be like a nerdy guy.And he like, once Thanos beats the fucking ever-living shit out of the Hulk,the Hulk is like, what do I got?I'm supposed to be the strongest that they're fucking is.And now Thanos beat the shit out of me.
01:32:38So he's scared.It's called PTSD.I thought you guys would understand since we live in a progressive society.Yes, you don't.Okay, but here's the thing.like I actually like comic booksI feel like if this was a comic bookit would be much more enjoyable
01:32:53but the translation they lost the comic bookessence to me like I think of a film likeWatchman which I think is greatWatchman is terribleWhat are you talking about?Watchman TV show's greatWhat? You don't like Watchman?The movie?
01:33:09The TV show and the movieThe TV show's greatThe TV show's fineLike the movie?That movie's terrible ColeInfinity War is so much betterthan fucking watch.Anyways,
01:33:19the point is,like,they lost the comic bookessence to me.And it just becomes thisblockbuster,plug and play kind of thingwhere it just,
01:33:27I get,I'm just,there's no emotional attachment.There's no effort to connect youto these charactersin any real kind of way.It just feels like they're milking IPas much as they can
01:33:39to cash out.That was what I kind of took away from thiswas just made a lot of money.Mission accomplished.If,if,If I could snap my fingers, I'd make the Russo brothers just disintegrate.I'm going to be honest, guys.
01:33:56This hurts because I thought this was a safe space for us to share our cultures.And I listened to At the Drive-In.Okay, yeah.I was-Let's give the context.So I gave you at the drive-in a early 2000s indie band on my journey to finding myForever Band Radiohead. I progressed from my high school love of Blink 182 into a more artful,kind of more intricate at the drive-in. You had never heard them before, Charles. What did you
01:34:30think person play on this thing? I listened to Relationship of Command and it's hard for me to say thisafter you two or so mean to me for no reason as a brotherhood. But I enjoyed relationship ofcommand before you guys started shitting upon one of the greatest superhero movies of all time.I was like, this is like, this is my band.Like, this is just something that I would play in the whip.Really?On a given day.Like, this is my type of rock music.
01:34:57I thought it was very enjoyable.But that's all you're getting from me because you guys are assholes about it.I wanted to like, I really wanted to just like bro out on at their drive-in.But instead, you guys want to shit on me.So it's just like, is this a safe space again?Can we talk about why relationship up command is dope?or are you guys going to yell some more?Like, I can't, like, give you, like, any songs.
01:35:18Like, I was just, like, playing it around.And I was just, yeah, why did you act surprise?This is actually, like, the type of rock music.I'm like, this fucking killer.This is dope.A little too abrasive.He was, you know, it's catchy, but he's also kind of abstract with the lyrics.But to me, I mean, it's like a perfect blend.
01:35:36You can see, like, how this would be not totally too far out there coming fromBlinkwinity.It's like a, to me, it was like a kind of natural maturation in sound.I honestly thought that it was,it took away the stuff from Blink 182 that sometimes I cringe at.Yeah, yeah, yeah.This was more of an intense, like grown up sound where I was like,that's what I mean by like, I would actually listen to this rock in a way that it's like,
01:36:01I'm probably not going to listen to a Blink 182 album.Right, yeah.If I'm listening to Blink 182 now, which is very, very, very rare, it's just nostalgic pure.But at the drive-in is still like genuinely enjoyable to me.Of all their albums,is this your favorite album?That's hard because Vaya, the one right before this, was really good.It's definitely more, much more raw, low budget.
01:36:23It's like the Southern player of their catalog.Because this is when they kind of, they became like the darling indie band.Like they were very, very respected.So they got, I think, I think this one was on epitaph, if I remember correctly.So they had a little bit of a budget.And so it's just more polished.So it's definitely more, the most polished.Um, but Vaya is really good. So if you genuinely like him, I would suggest going to Vaya and I think you'd like that one too. There's one of like, of the music that you've given me. This is like this fits in squarely of just like one of my favorite recommendations. Like I was like, it's interesting too, just the parallel between them and Outcast because what happens after this record is the band split. Omar and Cedric, the guys with the froze. They start Mars Volted together and it gets super weird, super tech. Great, great, great music like takes the weirdness about the driving and it just goes.
01:37:12full force. Sparta is the band that the other three members formed and it's much morestraightforward rock music. So it's much like Outcast kind of splintered apart at the end,so did At the Drive-In and you can see that what made At the Drive-In special was this blend oftechnical ability, guitar licks, abstract vocals, poetic lyricism, but with a foundation that'sa little bit more accessible than a Mars Vulta and that combination is likewhat made them special. So, uh, I'm really glad that you liked them actually.Honestly, that was a, that was briefly well said because I feel like, um, this episode was ourrelationship of command and after this episode, we're departing. You know, we're spinning off.
01:37:57Okay, I'll be Mars Valta. You'll be the other guys and no, you're going to, I'm Mars Vulta forsure. You know, actually, we can cut this if it gets to like one of my most tragic stories in life,my band worshipped at the drive-in.Mars Volta forms the year after the relationship of command comes out.They do a tour on their first three-ta song EP.My band was supposed to open for Mars Vulta.I mean, there is literally no one on Earth that I would rather open for at that time of my life.And everyone in my band would be Mars Vulta.
01:38:32We literally worship these guys.So we drive to the venue on the day of.We get there.Mars Volt is gone and we're likeWhat the fuck? Where did they go?Apparently they got in a fightA fight with a bartenderAs they were doing sound check
01:38:48And then they just bouncedAnd so we show up so excitedAnd then the show gets can'tWe ended up playing for freeGiving people their money backAnd just putting on a free showBut imagine the devastation of likeThis dream come true
01:39:00Yeah, well people bummed roomWere you playing for like a bummed roomWe was like damn they're not marredWe tried to make it likeYou knowPeople were there for usIt was in Sacramento, so we had like a local following for sure.It was there for us.
01:39:12But yeah, I mean, imagine going to see your favorite band and they canceled the show.Shout out for y'all thugging it out for the people, though.Yeah, that was fun.Anyways, so where are we going next, Charles?You want me to give you my next pick?Yes, because I need help.I need help because I was just like, damn, I don't know.Infinity War went over so terribly.
01:39:33Like, now I'm afraid.I'm just like, what would I even?show these two because now they're going to be fucking pissed off. So you what what's what's the next onefrom me? All right. We're going a little bit. So do you know Jimmy Eat World? I do. Do you know them well?Like do you know their catalog well? I like it's it's the same with like it's the same with like youknow the big songs. I know the big songs. I was never bumping like Jimmy Eat World in my in myokay. So Jimmy It World's interesting because they started out definitely not like I had the drive in,but their early music was way more technical, experimental,
01:40:10and then they kind of went more pop and polished.And I wouldn't say they sold out.I feel like a natural progression,but I tuned out,when they kind of started making hits and stuff,I kind of tuned out.But their first,I don't know if it,
01:40:22maybe it's their first full length.It's a very early record.It's called Clarity.Okay.Came out in 2000, 1999 or 2000.This, along with Out the Drive and was like a huge influence on the bandthat I was in musically.I haven't actually listened to this album in a long, like, in maybe over 10 years.
01:40:42So I'm going to actually, I didn't listen to it in preparation for this.I'm going to listen to it and give my kind of reaction to it next week alongside you.So Jimmy Eat World Clarity.You know, I'm going to keep in this category because I think, you know, you said so many beautiful things about Jimmy Heat World.So I have to really talk about a foundational band for me.Okay.who kind of just opened my eyes to emotion and music and just honestly just how vulnerableand open you can be.
01:41:13Has one of the greatest lyricists of all time for next week.I'd like you to listen to fall boys from under the cork tree.Woo!Let's fucking go.Real rock is back.Okay, you know it's funny?Because you said that Forever Boy or Fallout Boys is your forever band just like Radiohead'smine. I've never, and this is true, I have never listened to a fallout boy album.
01:41:37Wait, what? I know the singles. I've never, I've never put on a fallout boy album.Oh, from under the cork tree, this is the shit, bro. Okay. This is, this is the, put it in my veins.It's just like, honestly, if you talk about, like, the two greatest, like, lyricists of all time,it's like, I would put, like, gnaws and then right above gnaz, I would put P ones. It's just, like, it's just, it's just, it'sgreat. It's a great. This is, oh, I'm so fucking excited.Next episode, Jimmy E. World Clarity,fall a boy from under the cork tree, baby.Last song, standing, boys forever.
01:42:12Hell yeah.
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