Tyler, The Creator Song Draft (BONUS)
00:11Welcome everyone to a special episode of Dysect.I'm your host, Cole Kushner.And today we're here with Camden Ostrander, who was the co-writer this season for Igor.We're going to do a Tyler the Creator song draft.Cam, how's it going?I'm good, Cole.Thank you for having me.Very excited for this.
00:30This is going to be very interesting.You have a, it's an audio podcast, but.Oh, they don't get to see.Yeah, so Cam has the Igor blonde wig on right now with a massivebrown beard coming out the bottom.This is just how Igor looked.Yeah.It's amazing.
00:50There's just going to be a screenshot on social media.So if you're interested to see Cam and the Igor wig,check us out on social media.Well, thanks for joining.Of course, you've been on the show a bunch.I think people will know who you are.You've collaborated multiple seasons now.But a couple housekeeping items before we get into the draft.
01:07We're going to finish up the listener's submission.So last week, we had the season finale.the scripted one. This is going to be more laid-back fun finale. And we have the remaininglistener submissions sharing their thoughts on Igor going to be coming after this song draft.We had a bunch of them. Thank you to everyone took the time to do that. They're all very beautiful.I had to cut them in half because we had so many this season. So the rest of those will be at the end ofthe episode. I also want to say we still have some Dysect merchandise from this season.if you're interested, go to dissectpodcast.com.
01:41They came out really good, super high quality stuff.The next series I just wanted to tease is going to be coming out in a couple months.And the only hint that I'm going to give at the top here is that it is not an album.So we're going to be doing something different.So get excited for that.I think that's it.So let's get into the draft rules.We were kind of thinking about formats, what we wanted to do to kind of have a fun end of the season conversation.
02:06and we came upon a song draft of Tyler's,basically his entire discography.This is going to be essentially uskind of picking our favorite songsthroughout his catalog in a formatthat we kind of had some fun with.We wanted to acknowledge his entire discography,and so the way that we decided to do that
02:26was that we're each going to be forced to pickeight total songs,six of those songs have to be one from each album.So we're going to be forced to choose,at least one from each album.Then we're each going to get one pick that is selected from either his singles,it's Lucy's or a feature that he did.That's a combined category.
02:48And the last eighth category is a wild card.So that can be a second song from, you know, an album, another Lucy, a feature.Literally anything Tyler's touch is, you know, something that he produced is in that wild card spot.So yeah, this will give us a chance to just kind of talk through his description.I'm somewhat casually, share our favorites, share our thoughts.And the format we're going to do is a snake draft format.If it doesn't make sense, it will when we just get into it.It's pretty simple.
03:17But yeah, before we get into the draft proper, we've got to cut to a quick ad break,and we'll be right back with the draft.All right, it's time for the Tyler of the Creator song draft.We're going through his entire discography.We're going eight rounds.Cam, you're the guest, the guest of honor.so I'm going to go ahead and give you first pick.Before we get to the first pick, though,
03:41is there any strategy?You got any strategy going on with your selections?I have a little, I'm trying to weed out what you think.When I was thinking about this, I planned this out,but I also am curious.A couple of these albums, I'm cool with either of my picks.And personally, I'm more interested in what you think is better.So I'm like saving that.
04:03For instance, this first pick is not going to be off Igor,because I want to make sure I make you pick itbecause I want to see what you say.Okay, okay, interesting.Yeah, and then I think I left a couple to the end.We'll see, because I thought I might out smart you,but we'll find out.Okay.
04:22Anyways, did you have a strategy going in?I thought it would have more of a strategy,but there's so many songs that I would be happy with picking from each album,most of them.And the ones that I'm like, not, don't care so much aboutare from his early projects.And I'll talk a lot about those later.We'll get there.
04:39There's one song I really want.And there's only one song that I really want.And I'll share that when I get to it if I get it.Okay.Okay.I have a guess in my head.All right.Okay.
04:51Okay.Can I go ahead with the first pick?Yeah, first pick.Get this thing started?All right.First pick of the Tyler Draft.I'm going to Flower Boy and I'm going with 911 slash Mr. Loadley.A Flower Boy.
05:02I'm playing like Hasbro.I'm really sorry.It's my favoriteMcClare and bought me a TeslaI know you sick of metalking about causeBut what the fuck else do you want for me?It's my favorite off the album
05:11It's Tyler's classic split track10It's got TylerSteve LaceyFrank Ocean all on one trackYou have Frank Oceanyelling chirp chirpIt's perfect
05:25When Tyler talked about thisIn the Flower Boy Conversation interviewLike I loved the way he talked about this songHe's like it's sadhe's trying to think about like, you know, when is anything enough?Which I think is a question Tyler's probably ramming up against right now.But that's a very fascinating question.It's a great, like, existential song.
05:47I love it.It's great live.Everybody yells chirp, chirp, like, I love this thing.So that's what I wanted to pick with the first one, just to make sure that I got that.Yeah, that's a great strategy.I know that's a fan favorite.The double songs on each album are very tempting because you get two and one.for something like this.
06:06I love this song.It was actually third on my Flower Boy draft board, though.Oh, okay.I think I know what your one was, but yeah.So, but let's, before I get into that,because I love 911, Mr. Lonely.And to your point, like live,it's one of the strongest songs live from Flower Boy.
06:25It's that chirp, chirp moment is a top three moment,live, you know, moment for Tyler's whole entire show.Do you have a favorite of the 9-1-1 or Mr. Lonely?I mean, I know they're kind of obviously the same.I guess the first half, I think.Yeah.I think I do like the first.I also love, like, the way he talked about making this,
06:48he went through so many versions,but like the fact that the beat,do you remember the 2016, like,golf fashion show when he had the Coke can see?And, like, it's from that.And, like, that was, like,I'm going to keep saying this over and over again,but like I've grown up with Tyler, that was like a big,
07:05I remember that, like watching that live.Like, that was so cool.So like to have that beat then become this.Right.It's special.I love it.Yeah.Yeah, there's so many anthems on Flower Boy.
07:15More than I think any other, any other album because like boredom, even see you again.There's obviously he was making like a very concerted effort to be more melodic and sing-songy with Flower Boy and giving a lot of the parts away to better singers than he.he, you know, uh, was at the time. Um, and so going through Flower Boy, especially after Igor,I just noticed how polished it was, almost too like a fault, I think, where Igor, he reallycoalesces the two beautiful and ugly, which we talked about all season.Flower Boy is like all, almost all beautiful. And even the ugly songs, I feel like he made aconcerted effort to make him more palpable, like, not mainstream, but just,you know, a little bit easier to take it down.
08:04Like, I got time or I ain't got time.Like, that's, it's a, you know, it's a classic kind of aggressive Tyler song, but it's a little bit more tame than it, if it were on Cherry Bomb or something.And so a lot of the songs return to Flower Boy after spending so much time with Igor.I was like, man, I kind of miss the grit.I want some text.I want the grit.Yeah.I absolutely want the grit for sure.
08:25It was a cool exercise to go back to Flower Boy after Igor, just to hear how it all coalesce.with Igor.Okay, so I'll share with my number one.It is, it was tough.It was between boredom and this other song,but ultimately I gave it to Garden Shed.There we go.Goddish, Goddard shit, Goddard shit for the Goddian.
08:46That is where I was hidean.That was where love I was Ian.Ain't no reason to pretend.Garden Shed, Goddardship, Goddardshire, Goddardshire.Garden Shed, let's talk, like, leave the lyrical subject matter to the side.Just musically, gorgeous.Like one of my top moments is the modulation.You know, he's setting up this slow intro, and then when the vocals kick in, there's this, like, beautiful modulation.
09:13We don't hear Tyler except for in the background, you know, until minutes into the song.And it, you're not missing anything.Like, it feels so progressive and, you know, like, captures all the musical feelings that he wants to express emotionally.Like, he's so brilliant in that.way. And then when he does come in and what he says, I feel like it's really important to,just like I guess, like in a broader societal level that someone like Tyler was making a songlike this. But I think we've talked a lot about like freedom, you know, and finding freedom.I feel like him having not, him forcing himself to make this song and the way that he executed
09:56it was I think, at least from an observational music analyst kind of lens.feels really important to like him finding that freedom and being able to create Igor where he didn't have to focus on those, you know, he kind of freed himself of those burdens. And so he was just able to express himself without having to worry about that aspect of it so much on Igor. I don't know. It just feels really important in retrospect. I wish, I feel like the song doesn't get talked about enough. No, it doesn't. Like it had its moment, but now, I don't know. I just feel like it's still so important.it's a watershedgarden shed momentyou knowit is importantit's absolutely crucialyeah yeah
10:40and the pretty gooddissect episodepretty goodyeah I can't rememberwhat I saidbut I'm sure thatI remember I've worked on itreally hard
10:50it was one of the hardestepisodesjust wanted to get it rightso I rememberputting a lot of thoughtand time into itso yeahokay
11:00Flower boybeautiful recordI think it stands the testthe time when I return to it.But let's move on. I'm going to goIgor. I'm going to go Igor.Yes. Have to go Igor.All right. Let's see the actual real opinion.
11:15Let's hear it. Okay, the real opinion.And this is one of the things I was like,is this what I think? Is this what Tyler thinks?Is this what the consensus thinks? And then I listened to the song.I thought about it live. And I said, this is the song. It's New Magic One.You're right. This is correct.Yeah, it's obviously most Tyler fans probably know this is his favorite song that he's ever made.And I think he's right. I think as a Tyler the Creator song, I think you can make an argument there's better. He has better songs.
11:58I think this is the best Tyler the creator song, no. I think in terms of what he's trying to do, the art he's trying to make.his goals, I think this is probably the most succinct, well-executed version of the thing he's been chasing his entire career.Yeah, I think so.And it goes off live. I think in this conversation, I at least, I think about that aspect as a component in this exercise.And hands down, this was the best live moment of the Call Me If You Get Lost tour, which is the most recent tour, which encompasses his entire description.photography, this was, it was different. I don't know. It was, it just took the show to a new level. It was, it's actually one of my favorite moments of any live performance I've ever seen. Really? Was this song. He, he knows it. He sets it up. He, like, everything builds to this, like, perfect moment. Everybody in the crowd knows this. It is crazy how it is a perfect culmination of everything he tried to do forever.Like when we like really think about like, okay, he's been trying to get across these feelings.He's been trying to put the beautiful and ugly together in the perfect way.
13:14The way that it's like, okay, he worked, he worked, he worked, he worked, he worked, and made this.It's crazy.How beautifully it wraps everything up for Tyler.Yeah, because it's, I think if it was on Wolf or where, whatever, like the beat would have been, yeah.Like, he's been doing that kind of beat for ever, you know, and he would have probably screamed, you know, he would.have been he would have done the bridge the i yeah uh where he does scream on the song a little bitbut he builds to that moment rather than going hard the whole time right and like soso it's just yeah again the beautiful ugly thing it's like the song's super melodic despite
13:53having this really driving dissonant beat behind it you know the whole verses are like somethinglike the whole crowd singing along live to the to over this crazy beat and then it has the dance kind ofbreakdown. It's just like, and then it has like the, this classic weird, everything drops out.There's that siren sound. It just has everything, but it doesn't feel all over the place likea lot of his older stuff. So that's my pick. I think it's the right pick. What do you got? Did I stealit from you? So that you did steal it from me. That was the exact right pick. I wanted to see if youwere going to try to be contrarian or if you were going to try to like, okay. But anyways,my pick for Igor is going to be earthquake.
14:35I think that's the other classic option here.I also think I have not received enough angry DMs about the Playboy Cardi take that we had,but that is something that I believe in so strongly.This Playboy Cardi playing the character of the love interest.Cardi's verse is incredible.Tyler, like, using Cardi in this way,Cardi's just public appearance on it.It's fantastic.
15:10The fact that he got them to thematically match everything he needed.It sounds perfect.I love this song so much.Yeah.Yeah.This is the one.Yeah.The other one.
15:22This is the other one.Yeah, it's very easy to be contrarian to not pick these songs and this kind of exercise.Yeah.Because it is such an important part of his kind of ascension and him kind of taking himselfto that next level. You do need songs like this. You know, you need kind of more massappeal. But the thing with all the Tyler's kind of quote-unquote hits is that he's notsacrificing anything about himself to make them. Like the singing on Earthquake is kind ofshitty. I mean, it is. It's like, but that's what kind of makes it beautiful because it's
15:58vulnerable in that way. And it is the rough draft that he just, it was the reference tracks thathe, we told the story,you know,he tried to give thisa big Bieber and Rihanna,and they passed,which is just a beautiful backstory.And I just love
16:14that he made his biggest song,his biggest hit.I guess it,see you again might be bigger too.I don't know,whatever the bigger song is.I think Earthflin is bigger.I mean,
16:23I heard the song when I was eatingchicken wings in like aBouchon or I don't know.I forgot the name of the place,but it's like a chain restaurant.I heard it.I was like,oh, this is.
16:33cool like Tyler's on.And it was like the nextthe next song was like Rihanna or whoever.Like it's oh shit like Tyler's here.So you need those songs.You need those songs to sell arenaswhich is what he didon Call Me If You Get Lost.
16:48You know soI just I justto me it's like a celebratory moment for himto have that song on a classic albumto have that breakthrough songs.It's cool that this is going to be a song that likepeople will use thisas an entryway into Tyler.
17:05Like 20 years from now,people, like, will they hear this old song?They'll be like, oh my God, that song is cool.What else did that person make?Then this whole other world will be opened up to these people.Like, that's, I think, really cool that this is an entryway is really neat.And the fact that Cardi's on it, too.Yeah, play with Cardi, the bat.
17:24Yes.Like, to have the mind to put Cardi in this otherwise kind of poppy, sweet sounding songover the, like that contrast of like his voice over the piano is just amazing.Give me a whole album of Cardi over piano, just solo piano.Ooh, ooh.Yes, that would be awesome.Because one of his biggest songs samples Bach, doesn't it?Which one?
17:48Yeah.Yeah.Like, give me the classical Cardi.A whole lot of Red Seasons playing, Cole.When are we doing it?I'm on people.They want it.Okay.
18:00Okay.Okay, New Magic One, Earthquake from Igor.Your Magic One, Earthquake.Man, there was so many songs.I have, like, three other songs written down.What else did you write down?I wrote down Igor's theme.Yep.
18:12I wrote down Running Out of Time, which was a song that after the dissection of it,was like, okay, this is a top three song for me now on Igor.Beautiful song.So gorgeous.And then I also had Gone Gone Thank You.So we'll see if I use my wild card for any of those.but I could have usedare we still friends
18:32is like perfectso I could have easilypicked that one tooall rightso it isback to mewhoawhoa whoa whoa
18:43oh it's back to youoh yeahit's back to mewhoawhoa whoawatch yourselfwatch yourselfit's a snake draft
18:52don't be a snakeall rightokay third roundnow I'm thinking abouthow to block you offfrom somethingYeah.All right.
19:01I'm going to go.Okay, so I'm going to go with something that I just realized literally this morning.But this is what I'm going to push it up to the third.Just because I think it matches now what I just had to do.Okay.So on Earthquake, Tyler did something amazing.And on this next song, which is off, call me if you get lost.He did almost perhaps the exact same thing.
19:21And that's What's Your Name?Featuring Pella Assign and Young Boy.What's your name, girlfriend?What is your name?What do you bring?Yeah.He did earthquake again.Like, if this makes sense, he made the song,
19:39he like titled the song with the weird way he says a word or a phrase.He put in the artist on the pop scent songin like a way that we maybe didn't expect what that works perfectly.Young boy's verse is one of the best things my ears have hurt.Like, the texture on his vocal is incredible.And like, Young Boy is so good.But to get kind of highlighted,in this way is really nice.
20:03The cadence that he's using is incredible.Like just the texture of the vocal.And Tyler knew how perfect it sounded.All you look malnourished is a crazy good opening line.It's perfect from Tyler.Love it.So that's like just iconic.The music video is great, right?
20:26Because it kind of really gave us, I think,the world of calm you get lost.Yeah.When I look at the album, this is the one that I think will probably last.This is the song-off album that I think will last the most.And I just wanted to make sure I picked it and not you.So there.That's a great pick.
20:45I mean, I think the young boy and the Cardi, like, we try to highlight this in the season,but Tyler's ear and skill as a producer, not just a singer-songwriter, not just a composer, not just an arranger.not just a rapper, like just as a producer, as its own category,like to have the mind to say, yeah, I want young boy in this song.Yeah, I want Cardi on this song.And he does this his entire career, but he seems like he's getting better at it.This is like yay level ear of like, no, we've never heard this artist on a song like this,but watch how it works.
21:23Watch how it brings something out of it.Watch how this person will get new fans because they'll hear,this artist in this lightunderstand that persona little bit betteror create that entry pointto discover they're likeoh Tyler's actually
21:38his ears to the groundhe's listening to the young boyhe's listening to Douglike all thesekind of more underground artistsor at least not kind ofyoung boys aren't we're talking aboutthis is the biggest artist on the planet
21:49and it turns of like the lanelike a Tyler fan's probably notgoing to be into young boyrightI think that's changingBut you know what I mean. It's changing, but I get exactly what you mean. Yeah. So I don't know. It's just just using artists in unpredictable ways, using in the same way that he uses instruments in unpredictable ways, which I think hopefully we highlighted throughout the Igor season was like just that ear, I think is something he's not getting enough credit for. I think that's changing as his entire perception changes as he kind of has created this, I don't know. It feels like he's like in a third era somehow already in terms of just like artistic.career. Okay. Like from the young, odd future Tyler to the solo still like maturing Tyler to theTyler we know now. Okay. Um, I feel like we've already experienced three big phases and he's only like
22:4330 or whatever he is now. 30 something. Um, anyways. So, man, okay, I'm still torn between my twocall me if you get lost picks and that was not one of them. Oh, that wasn't. Oh, okay. I love thatI love that song.I love that song.Okay.So I'm going to have to make my decision on the fly.Oh, man.It's hard because, like, the moment that's, there's a live moment that sticks out in my mind that I feel like is influencing.
23:09But there's a song.I'm just going to go with the song I like, I think maybe the most, which is Massa.Yeah.When I turn 23, that's when puberty finally hit me.My facial hair started growing on my clothes and ain't really fit me.That caterpillar.It was between this and sweet.I thought you wanted to dance.
23:25I ultimately think Massa is, at least in my opinion,I won't say it's a better song.I just personally liked this song better.I love the beat.I love the kind of grimy.I love Tyler over the grimy beat stuff.But I just love how he kind of told his whole story in one song,starting from the beginning, taking through like,
23:53all his phases of music.um encompassing it in like this larger black experience with the song title and the the hook um i don'tknow i just think it's like a it's the tyler's always been great at telling stories but he kind of rarelytells his own story in a i don't know in the way that this one song encompasses his entire careerand kind of takes us through his thoughts um as he progressed uh musically and as a as a person um i love how it's allbuilds to this really climactic, almost like in a Kendrick way, where he starts out reallycool cadence and underspoken and then builds to like, he's yelling at the end of the song,but it really works in terms of like the emotional arc of the song.
24:43Production-wise, there's just, it's like, okay, there's this grimy almost like East Coast soundingbeat, but then he's like orchestrating.There's all these like cool synth textures and like the classic Tyler orchestras.orchestral ear like that is just juxtaposing this grimy beat with these beautiful like orchestratedsynths and stuff so it just has everything that i i like from tyler and i think i just like thestorytelling of it um so that makes it i didn't i did not expect that one i would have thought run it upi would have thought i would have thought the the concert closer that's what i would have thought see ilike that song it's and i know it's a lot of people's favorite but it's um it's not one that i
25:23personally gravitated to as a as a super standout track i know people really like that song and itdoes work a lot live like it really worked got you um but sweet i thought you i thought you did i don't knowwhy i always confused this title i thought you wanted to date um i thought you wanted to just like liveit's nice he was on the boat everyone was like maybe it's just like how i know he loves thatsong and so like when you see someone enjoying themselves so much it's almost like that youYou can't help.And the boat was really cool.You was so happy in the boat.
25:57With people,everyone's seeing this song that I know he loves so much.I don't know.It's just such a cool moment.I think that it swayed my perception.That makes sense.Anyways.Okay, so it is my choice.
26:11Fourth round, your choice.We've already hit the big albums.We hit the big three.We hit the most recent three.Yeah.Yeah.What?It's the big three.
26:20It's the clear big three.Stop it.I'm going to let you bring up some of the old albums.I'm going.Okay, go ahead.I'm going Lucy here.One of my favorite parts about this exercise was going through all the Lucy's again,the ones that are on Spotify, the ones that are on YouTube only.
26:37There's someone that are on YouTube that aren't on the streaming services,I think as a sample of stuff.But just some really cool one-off songs that some of them I forgot about.I'll give us an honorable mention.best interest. Somehow this is likeone of his best interest is one of hisbiggest songs. Streaming numbers wise?Streaming numbers wise? It is up there with
27:01like some of hisplaylists.It's good. It's really good.It's a really good song but if you look at the streamingnumbers it's actually crazy.Let me pull them up right now. It'sfifth on Spotify right now.Really? It has more streams
27:17than like, has more streamsthan what's your name?Really?Yeah.Yeah, it has more streams than she.It's a very good song with a very cool sample.Yeah.Why is it that hot?
27:30Okay.Anyways, shout out to potato salad, but ultimately, I picked Okra.So Okra, I remember when it dropped.I remember I love Tyler just rapping, especially after Flower Boy in.and Igor, like you can tellpart of the, at least from the outside,it seemed like part of his thinking,dropping some of the Lusies, which were,
28:04a lot of them were very rap-centric, was like,we didn't get to hear him rapping a lot on those albums.So it just felt like a cool treat to have these, like,one-off songs where he's just rapping really, really well,and kind of figuring out how to rap again,teaching himself how to rap again,which he's said in multiple interviews that he did during this period.But Okra just has, like,
28:23of really, really cool beat.He does the, what is in the now classic Tyler,where you have this really aggressive beat,but then he's just rapping really, really understated and cool.The first verse on the song is like this really,I haven't figured out exactly what the rhythmic cadence is,but he's like super offbeat the entire time.He's like rapping like in and out of the beat in this really,
28:50really cool way,in a way that you would just never expect on a beat like this.And each of his three verses have a different cadence of a different flow pattern.So if you're thinking about it as him like trying to like figure out how to wrap again,it's like it's very experimental in his flows.He just has like really, really cool just one-liners throughout the whole thing with like referencesthat I appreciate at one point he says golden voice on payroll, neck all gold like KEOCorp.KioCorp is like a skateboarding.
29:21distribution. They had DGK, they had a bunch of like a bunch of like skateboarding brands underneaththem and one of the gold wheels is one of their brands. So he says neck all gold like K.O. Corp,which is just such an obscure reference, especially now.He appealed to your skate rat self. And it's like, yeah, like we have a modern rapperwrapping these obscure skateboarding wrap. Like how cool is that? And then it has the classic line.Tell Tim, Tim Shalamead to come get me skin.clearing clear back knee, just like a classic line.So I'm going okra for my Lucy pick.
29:58That's also, that was the ad for the very underrated metallic lafleurs.If I remember it, right?I can't remember, yeah.That's a good video.Yeah, all right.Okay, so now I thought, this is a category where I thought I was going to outsmart you.Okay.Because I think I might be cheating a bit.
30:16Okay.The Lucythat I thinkis perhapsone of the greatestTyler cultural momentsI think one of the most importantis the Funkmaster Flex
30:27FleximeeemojiNo there's no emojiI ain't sending emojiWait in a minuteNot flexWhy are you areYeah great choice
30:37I thought about itThat is a great choiceI thought about it thoughThis is one ofLookIn the 21stin the age of YouTube,we've been treated to so many of these
30:50rappers at a New York radio stationvideo interview,put on YouTube that we all talk aboutfor like a week or whatever.This is one of the most important one.This is up therewith Gambino and Kanyeat the Breakfast Club.
31:02This is one of the most important ones,this interview that Tyler didwith Funkmaster Flex.The way he was so brave.I don't know,Tyler knows how brave he was.to go up in there, to be so honest,and for Flex to also be so brave and so honest,
31:24and for them to discuss the way they did,for Tyler to just, like,shoot at toxic masculinity in the way that he didthroughout the whole thing, right?And to like break down a bunch of like preconceptionsor to like force Flex to like deal with thingsand try and like test him.It is the best version of early Tyler interviews.
31:45We talk about like he made his,early songs intointo New Magic Wand, right? His earlyinterviews, he refined, refined, refined, refined hisinterview presence until this punk masterflex interview. This is likethis is the best Tyler has been in the publicsphere. This is like the most
32:00proud I've been to likecare about his work.Was this interview moment.And the freestyle is alsobrave because Tylerdoes not freestyleever like in any interviewsbut then he he does this
32:16one and he pauses and he's bad and he lets you in on the creative process and he's so real and authenticin that way and he makes like like when flex says what made you decide to go with that verse likethat is that's one of the best radio moments that I can think of and and then we flex texted meemojis and then flex is like no I didn't no I didn't use emojis like Tyler is revealing so muchthis freestyle in this interviewis one of my favorite Tyler thingsI think it's so importantI think the freestyle is my favorite Lucy
32:56I needed us to talk about itat least reference itlikeI can watch this all the timeyeah I agree it's my favorite thing to revisityeah warning anyone that goes and looks it upyou'll sit there for the full hourand whatever it is because it's such a compelling
33:10dynamic the interview is almost two hours longand it's so goodyeah it's hard to turn it off once youyou get in there. But yeah, it's, and credit to Flex too for just like, because I thought it workedonly because he was so open. Like, he felt like more open than you thought he would be. He wasway more. Yeah. That's the beautiful thing. They're both kind of being themselves, both testing thewaters, both understood the dynamic completely. They had the history of like, Flex kind of talkingcrap about Tyler and Tyler obviously like not really trying to be a part of that world so much.
33:46But also Tyler knowing his shit.And I think like a lot of people, especially in that more like hip hop-centric like historical world like Flex is a part of, don't really understand that about Tyler or didn't.And kind of just assumed he was, you know, and Tyler really knowing his history.I think surprises a lot of people.And I think that was kind of part of this whole, that the whole interview was just flex really understanding like Tyler's intellect.Yeah.And I think a lot of people in the public sphere really, especially recently, but like, you know, Tyler has obviously like literally been blossoming in front of us and like in his interviews are some of the best on the internet now because of how insightful he is, but also how free is and just doing what he's always been, which is like being himself, but he's such a more refined version of that and has so many insights now.and has become very articulate
34:44and allows himself to show that sidewhich he probably always had,but kind of also had this public personathat he was doing. So the whole thing's beautiful.Yeah, it does represent, I feel like,so much of Tyler's journey.It's the new magic wand of his interviews.Like, this is what it is in my mind.
35:02I think that that parallel works.Like, I think that's what we've seen here.And it's just cool.It's just cool.Like, both of them played it perfectly.And I, because I don't think,I don't think Flex gives that,interview 10 years ago.
35:13No.In the same way, I think you would have been probably way more defensive or antagonisticor whatever.Like, I just imagine it going way differently if it were earlier.So it's just the timing of it was perfect.They're both calling each other out.Like, they're both so smart and so good at knowing what the other person is doing.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:35And like to see that, oh, it's two great minds.And they're kind of flirt.Like, I know Tyler was like flirting.They are.They are flirting.But flex flirtsIt's realFlex flirts back
35:45YeahIt's like a coolLittle bromance thingIt is realYeahI'm glad you brought it upThat's a great choiceThat's the Lucy
35:52YeahThere's so many thoughYou posted today on TwitterThe LucyIt might be myBackup at the endWe'll seeWe'll see
36:01All rightAll rightSo we're going to take a quickbreakAnd then we're going to come backWith the second halfof the draftWhich is all
36:10All his early albumAll right, we are back.Round 5. Cam, what do you got?I'm very excited and proud to be the one who gets to begin us on our old Tyler journey.As a certified kid who grew up in the odd future era.This is very wonderful for me.I would like to begin the old Tyler era.You look like one of the founding fathers right now.
36:39You have the blonde wig on.My eagle wig is messed up.It's so old.All right.It does not have the perfect Andy Warhol shape anymore.Or, yeah, okay.So anyways, I'm going to go to, okay, I'm going to go earlier.I'm going to go to the earliest I can.
36:58I'm going to go with She featuring Frank Ocean off Goblin.This is the one off the album, Off Goblin.this was the introduction tothis was not my introduction to TylerI believe we're probably about to talk about thatin a momentbut shewas
37:23early Tyler 2011I was in likeninth grade and you have to understand that I had tohide the fact that I was listening to him from my parentslike that's the type of dynamic that I hadwith time that that's the artist he wasso she which hasthis music video which has him and Franco
37:41ocean and it's like a bunch of terrible things happening but then at the end it's all like a fakesitcom was riveting i watched this music video on repeat like imagine little ninth grade camwatching this music video on this be like oh my god Tyler is so cool Frank is so cool like this isthey're so great they're geniuses I thought they were so smart like and the song was beautiful I thoughtum so it's just like a very special thing to like look back and I think it's still a good songAnd I think Tyler himself when he was like reviewing Goblin, he included this in his list of like the songs that still stand.Yeah, I like She.That one's my favorite off Goblin, which I want to make sure we went back there.
38:20Yeah, that's what I put.Yeah, that, okay, yeah, I agree.She's, I think, clearly the best song on Goblin.It holds up.Everything holds up except for the lyrics.A little bit of the lyrics.Yeah, yeah, yeah.The whole premise is whatever.
38:37It's fine.I'm not here to criticize early Tyler.He's talked about his pet,you know what I mean?Goblin's out now.Buy it.It's what you said in Funn MastRplex.Goblin out now.
38:48Buy it.Yeah, but yeah, I thinkprobably have all the beats on Goblin.It shows like where he was going.Because that was really nice chords,nice beat.Like, production-wise,I think it's one of the stronger ones on there,
39:05if not the strongest.I think Frank makes a songI don't think without Frankwithout his hook withoutI think itI don't think we're talking about it todaysoit's a I think it's
39:19yeah it's the one that standsoh I'm just let me just goand we'll talk about these movies simultaneouslyI'm gonna pick yonkersHere we goI'm a fucking walking paradoxNo I'm notthree sims with a fucking triceratops
39:32Reps hard rapping as I'm mockingdeath rocksAll rightIt's one of thosepicks like, oh, I don't want to pick it. It's fucking yonkers. Like, it's clearly yonkers. It's like,it was a moment. Yonkers. We take it for granted. Sake of talk. Now, you know, like it's,you know, the video, everyone knows that story. Everyone remembers. That was its introduction.But the song holds up to me. I know like Tyler himself maybe doesn't like him the more,
39:59it's kind of the classic, like, I want to transcend my past and I'm kind of stuck to this song,so I'm going to distance myself from it. But he is kind of, seems like,like he's more open to playing it somewhat now. But it's Yonkers. I actually, I still enjoy listeningto Yonkers. I was listening into it today. The beats cool, like, for, for what it is.Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, his rapping, I think, is good. Obviously, the lyrics are what they are.But it's, I think it's a good song. I think, like, it captures early tire. Well, it's, it's,it's a song that's part of music history, you know? It's one of those songs.It's in the lexicon now.
40:38It's entered.It's not going away ever.It should be written about for years to come.It, yeah, it says it's a great representation of an era, you know.It's a song that we can kind of center around to represent, yeah, that early 2010's era of music.I think it's a cool bridge moment between what would become kind of a different version of hip hop and Tyler kind of being.being one of the people that lead that charge.Yeah, I don't know.
41:12This is a defining moment in my musical life, Cole.Is it?Yonkers?You have to understand that what Kanye posted about this.The next day a kid showed me this in class.You understand how real and authentic that moment.Like, think about yourself when you're in high school.And like a friend shows you something and it like blows your mind.
41:32And it's like real.And it's so new and so different.and transgressor. And it's like, wow.Like that moment really opened up a big thing for me.Like that Tyler moment, that's valuable.Like, that's invaluable. That's a turning point.Like, and I'm sure that so many people share that because that music video, becausethe, like, the song is a real moment that is so rare to find these days.
42:00Yeah.So, yeah, Yonkers is, I don't know, Tyler got lucky.Tyler did it right.I don't know how we perceive it, but that's an important.It's all the things at once, which is what makes those moments.It's all the stars aligning in a perfect way, I think.Yeah.Yeah, it's it's a music history moment, for sure.
42:23Yeah, I think our experience is different.I've said this on multiple podcasts.This was exactly the time that I was going to college and in my classical bubble.and I missed.I mean, this was, obviously, Yonkers was a moment that I saw,but I wasn't attached to it.One, but just because I was a little bit older,if I was in high school, I know I would be exactly like you.
42:48Exactly like you.What? What? He's burned school?What? What?Yeah.This is awesome.That's how it was.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.That's how it felt.
42:59Yeah.And it's so cool to see, like,people like you, like grow up with him.change with him in a similar, I think in a similar way.This one of my favorite.Like the culture he's cultivated through his growth,through being like an icon for so many of us has been very nice.Yeah.
43:16We're very lucky.Yeah.I mean, I think we've said this before,but nine times out of 10, 99 times of 100,the Tyler the Creator is a one-hit wonder with Yonkers.It's a moment that we remember,that we will always remember in music history,that oftentimes will just.
43:34the Cinegrade. Oh, Tyler, remember him? He was that crazy goofball. He had that young, he, he ate that cockroach, you know, in that video. Remember that? And it's on like MTV. Do you remember when, you know, those shows? But to have him transcend all that, it's kind of like Bob. I've been thinking about him with Bo Burnham as we were like working on the finale episode and all the parallels of Bo, kind of doing similar things in a different lane. And then Transcend, and then Transcendable.sending his past in a really inspiring way and people that are more attached to that earlyversion being able to take that journey alongside i think it's really important you know like it's justreally cool to to continue to see tyler grow and have his like at least some of his followingdo the same thing alongside him it's really cool um all right so it is six round six my turnand your turn.I'm going to go, let's go Wolf.Okay, yes.
44:35There's only really one song that I want from Wolf,and I know you're going to have,I know you're going to probably have a lot.Okay.More to say on Wolf,because I know you love this album,but I'm going to go 48.Ooh.
44:4648, 48, 48, 48, 46 I get it in.48, 48, 48, 46 I get it in.48, it's just a good song.It's like great hook,really, really solid rap.really, really great beat.Musically, I thought, like, it's something that's not far off from, like,what could be on Flower Boy, just in terms of the musicality of the song.
45:12Obviously, Wolf was a big step forward from Goblin and showed a lot of Tyler's promisemusically.The beat, I think just the production from Goblin to Wolf is night and day.And he really, I think, yeah, took a big step forward.48 is just, I really, really just enjoy it.it as a song, but also the conceptually, like, you know, obviously, like, a lot of the earlytitled lyrics are just like, it's a big barrier for me personally. Like, I can't re-listen to a lot ofthese early albums because I'm just, there's nothing lyrically that I'm attached to at all.
45:47But 48, I think the song's concept is really cool. He's rapping from the perspective of a crackdealer who feels guilt that he's like tearing down his community and benefiting from that. And so justhim having kind of forced into that concept, like, makes it really, really interesting to me in a way thata lot of his early lyrics aren't. It has a cool Nause sample who's kind of breaking down it fromlike firsthand experience. And I know he's like rapping from the perspective of Sam, I think it isthe character. But I don't know. The story is so messy. Yeah. You can't figure it. Yeah.But yeah, 48's my pick. I just, it's something I genuinely enjoy listening to, which is, I can't saythat a lot about a lot of his early stuff.
46:29Cool.All right,cool.I don't know,that's probably not the popular pick.No,that's like,I like that song.
46:36Like,I did consider that personally.But I remember when I,I'm just trying to like honor2013 cam when I,like,when that version of me,48 wasn't the one.
46:48Yeah,yeah,yeah.But now I do like that song.Yeah.There were a couple optionsthat I had for this one.In the end,
46:57I'm going to go with the one.Wolf came out in 2013.I was listening to it all the time,trying to piece together the story,trying to do this.And I was trying to share it with friendsor trying to share people I cared about.Like, look, guys, Tyler's, he's deep.
47:14He has emotion.This is real.This is real music.You should listen.That was me.Yeah.And the song that I shared the mostto try to prove this is the one I'm going to pick.
47:24It's answer.Answers.a beautiful song, I think. I love the simplicity of the beat. I really like the lyrical content.I return to it off. Like, I still listen to this song. I love it. Again, it was the one I would tryto send people. I was like, oh my God, guys, hear this song. Listen to what he's talking about.This is so real. But like, Tyler was pretty honest on it, I thought. I also thought it wasinteresting looking back at it and reflecting on like Igor, because in one verse, he's talking abouthis dad leaving him and then in another he's talking about a girl like the abandonment connection
48:08Tyler is I pretty sure Tyler's like he's aware of it and he's showing it and he's using this connectionwe talk about that um a lot with Igor also the way he says that last verse was about this girl andthen chuckles is just like a sound bite in my head that has never left like when songs are abouta girl like I always think of Tyler saying oh that last verse is about this girlThe last version is about this girlSomething about thathit me at the right momentwhere that's kind of just a thing
48:42that, like, it's a sound bite.It's a thing that I'm always like aware of her,I remember.How come?I don't, like, there's just,because like he's analyzing his songbecause I was trying to analyze the song.What is this about?
48:55And he's pointing it out.So it makes you think about it more.And it like,it just, yeah, it just stuck with me.other songsI'm going to honorable mention for Wolfokay look this is importantRusty which has a great performance on Letterman
49:10awkward which was very similar to answerand then Tree Home 95 which is Erica Baduon Wolfall right it's a great album I love itokay there that's that's Wolfthank you Coledo you have any you want to talk about it morethe album itself
49:25like 2013 is a crucial yearwe're at the 10 year anniversaryof watching moviesYeezus, Wolf, and because of internet.Yeah.This is an important year.Those items are important.So, yeah, I like it.
49:40Yeah, it's going to be fun for a 10 year, decade retrospect.Yeah, what are you going to, quick sidebar?Are you doing anything for a BTI 10 year?I'm going to, I don't, fuff the,I guess you got, you're breaking, your brain is broken.Don't, don't, don't do this.There's too many things.There's too many things.
49:59It's going to be interesting if they do anything.Right, that's what I'm wondering about.One thing I will say, the last thing I'm going to say about Wolf, for me, if Wolf doesn't happen,which makes me interested in an album with a narrative, which makes me interested in trying to figure out what this stuff is happening,if Wolf doesn't happen, BCI doesn't happen for me.Right.I think them being in that progression was very important personally, for me understanding them.Which is like, always, like, I don't know, for some reason it just made me think like that's, that's why,
50:31you try. Like, Wolf's storyline is not, yeah, it's a little messy. The Wolf movie was never finished. Like Tylerobviously understood he had to can it. Right. Right. And, but he tried and it's like, he had thateffect on you personally. It helped shape his next narrative albums and, you know, all the stuff that doesn'tcome after because of this. So I don't know, it's just, it's just a testament to just trying,trying and falling short and trying again.It's just like all of his back catalog.It's like he said,he got famous off his rough drafts.
51:06And we got to experience the rough drafts with them.It's kind of beautiful.As long as you don't hold it against them,which is also like something we're learning as a culture,I think collectively.It's just like, yeah, everything's public now.We have to allow for some growth, you know.Yeah.
51:24So.Well said.All right.All right, next round.Yep.Is it the penultimate?No.Is it the,
51:32oh,it is the penultimate round?Yes.Yeah, yeah.Okay,so this is eight.We're on Cherry Bomb.Okay, great album.
51:40Don't you dare.Cherry Bomb,I'm going with Keep to O's.Okay.All right.This is a very cool songthat brings togetherthe ugly and the beautiful
51:54and the ways that he was trying.You've got Farrell.And you've got a great outro, the learn how to fly and find your wings outro.There's an earlier song on the album called Find Your Wings that's very good.Yeah.This kind of, it feels like he was like doing it again, but he's kind of like just using it in a smaller way at the end.I thought it was very effective.Tyler himself, I remember at the time, talked about how he loved the ending of the song.
52:26And I think it's cool that his verse is a conceptual verse.It's him talking to his ego.so it's like himstarting to get moneystarting to get these thingspushing himself to likenot just talk about those thingsand he's like kind of being critical
52:41of himselfit shows kind of one of the central conflictsof Tylerwhich is materialismin a shifty momentin the shiftinessof cherry bondright right
52:53so yeahthat's what I would go withkeep thoseright but you gottayou've told me multiple timesthat you love this albumI love this albumyou have to talk about it more
53:03Dude, okay, look, you think Brock Hampton happens without this album?No, this is a culturally important albumbecause Tyler's failing in many ways,but he's, he in his reflective state now, he says it's like puberty.There are people who have taken the ideas of Cherrybaumand made them much better.Like the Brockhampton and Gene Dawson,they are so obviously influenced by Cherry Bomb.
53:31Cherry Bomb is when Tyler is referencing Tori, Mois, and MacDamarko and Schoolboy Q in the same sentence, right?And he's featuring them all of it.Like, everything is kind of like coming, this cultural convergence culture, whatever you want to call it, like the way all these things are meshing is happening on Cherry Bomb in a really cool way.Also, visually, this is when I think Tyler graduated as far as visual aesthetic and product aesthetic.Like the flame pattern, the different things he was doing, the green.hats like the cherry bomb logo itself i love the character like the nasty mask and everything i i and so iremember it fondly and i and i will not take this slander i didn't say anythingi know you want to well see this is the thing like this is why i don't like to critique albums
54:21because it's like what the fuck do i because you just made a really great case for it and i'lllisten to it with new years after hearing that you know and be able to listen to it listen to itlisten to it for different things and a different lens.And so maybe I'll, maybe it'll grow on me one day.Maybe I'll love it one day.Right now, I can't listen to it.It's, I can't.I'm sorry, I'm being honest.
54:42The CD's in my car, Cole.Come on.And it's not, it's not,there's a lot of music to choose from.This is true.This is not the one that I'm going to choose.So, but I'm going to give a shout out for my pick.I'm going to go find your wings.
54:59Musically, I think this is a really standout moment on the album, and I think it sets the stage for Flower Boy.I think he's been trying this version of music throughout his early discography, letting the instrumental kind of talk.I don't think he comes into that song until way later.And yeah, I don't know, it's just Tyler, I'm very attracted to Tyler as a producer, as a ranger.as a musician.It took him a while to synthesize all these influences,but you could get these moments of,even in the early stuff,
55:45it's like you get these brilliant momentsof like these two minute stretches or even sometimesit'll just be like an instrumental floor,so you're just like, okay, not everyone can do that.And maybe this whole song doesn't work,but it's like, oh, it's just that glimmer of promise,you know, and to see him kind of continue to refinethose elements into these later works is just beautiful. But yeah, for me, find your wings is kind of
56:12one of those examples of... You can see him love that he's finally able to do it and that he's growingin that way on the Cherry Bomb documentary. Everything you're just talking about, you can see himsay that he's doing these things. And he's like loving that he's finally able to access moreof that part of himself. Right. So the Cherry Bomb documentary is, yeah, fascinating. I think it's anice turning point. It's a good turning point. Yeah.Yeah, I mean, and it's all cool from aDiscogger, like a historicalTyler's story.
56:45Like it all, it's all perfect.You know what I mean?It's all perfect.And just to, you know, if it's not my favor or whatever,but you can still, yeah, appreciate these momentsand see how they, to lead to these other things that you do love.So that's why I would never like come out and say I just hate the album.Like, no, it's not really how music works.
57:05works in my mind. Okay, so wild card. This is, okay, this is going to be, I'm going to have tothink through this on the fly here because I'm also doing the fly. Yeah, I think, because I wanted to seewhat you picked. I didn't have this set in stone. I'm going to just go ahead and cut outCherry Bomb Wolf Goblin. I think for my list, because I don't, you know, that's not the Tylerthat I'm in love with. I don't think I'm not going to represent twice on my list with those. So,And I'm not going to go with another Lucy, I don't think.So because I want to honor, I'm an album guy.I'm going to honor his best work, which I think is Igor.
57:45Igor or Flower Boy.I think Igor is the obvious best work.Yeah.It's actually, it's clearly Igor.It is.Doing this exercise and going back to Igor, it's like it's all good.Obviously, Flower Boys has wonderful, beautiful moments.We did an entire season on it.
58:02And same with Calm Me if you get lost.But you, there is something.about Igor that is just timeless.Like every, and especially in comparison,while I was going back and forth through some of these songsand then putting one on Igor, from Igor,I'm just like, yeah, this is just, it has it.It's the magic moment.
58:19It's, you know, artists get these moments in their career,sometimes just once, I think Tyler's had a few of them,but in terms of an album from start to finish,right, having, being magic, it's fucking Igor, clearly.So I'm going to, so I convinced myself just then to pick another song off Igor.So the ones on my short list were Igor's theme running out of time and gone, gone.Thank you.So what I love about Tyler, I think is expressed in Igor's theme.
58:55So I'm going to go as my final eighth pick is Igor's theme.Damn you.So that was my.Okay, great.Okay, go, go, yeah.Yeah.that's it yeah it's instrumental mostly it has a hook obviously but that's the main portions of the songare instrumental i think that is just great as a producer flexing his chops super dynamic song kind
59:29of tells a story in its own music just in its music musically yeah it's it's the thing wherei'm like it's the type of the song that i listen to there's a few of these but like oh yeahTyler's going to orchestrate.He's going to do film music.Like, he's going to, like, what, it might be in 10 years, might be in 20.Like, he's going to do it.Like, it's so clearly in him to do that.Like, maybe he needs more training or whatever.
59:52But, like, the instincts are so clearly there that if you ever wanted to do it, he definitely has the means to.He has the kind of just an intuitive knack musically that you need to make instrumental music work.So I love that about it.I love that it sets up.the whole beautiful and ugly thing.It has the synth, which is like Igor's instrument.We talked a lot about that the season, but just a,just the opening is so iconic.
01:00:20And it's just one note.It's just like so perfect.It has, I mean, from a nerdy kind of analytical aspect,it's like it has all the foreshadowing of the entire story.Like it just,it's like an opening scene from a movie that just sets everything up perfectly.It foreshadows.And then it's obviously the looping connection.
01:00:43Like it just has so many things going for it.It is.Yeah, exactly.It's such a character building.Yeah.Igor's screen.Sonic character.Yeah.
01:00:51Like to make Igor, like to introduce you to this album in such a powerful way that youimmediately are immersed, that you are so dragged in by opening moments.It's like that's, everybody's trying to do this all the time to engage you.Right.This is one of the most engaging pieces of work.right this is it's special that way yeahall right I'm going to egress themewell done good job
01:01:16I'll cross it offokay so thenall right so that Ithat was the only other one I wanted to pick off an albumso I'm gonna go with another Lucybecause I think we do need to recognizea more fun part of Tyler as wellyeah and I am gonna go with the one I tweeted
01:01:30what the right now featuring ASAP Rockythey ain't ready for Tyler with the green hatthey ain't ready for the wang satNickas, fuck his niggins talking about,nigga, we're gonna die last.Look, this is a,it seemed like it was like a studio Lucythat they just put together
01:01:48right after Life of Pablo dropped.Yeah.This thing was awesome.Like, when it dropped, this was awesome.Yeah, I remember.It was so sick.These bars are another version of Tylerthat just like sticks in my head.
01:02:00Like, the pants being high waters,like Katrina and like,you're wearing vans in Supreme this season.I'm the reason.Tyler, I think he recognizes this in like the Apple interview with Zane.He is one of the most important, like, cultural, like, just style people.Just like, so much of culture that I know runs through Tyler as a tastemaker or Tyler as, like, an icon of whatever he's going to do next.There's a reason everybody just copies what he wears all the time.
01:02:29There's a reason I'm wearing a stupid wig on my head right now, right?Okay.And so I think this song showcases his style.Like he's like fully like in it and he's like look at what I do look at what I wear this is impactfulAnd then also just his friendship with Rocky is really cool and like themIn the studio this way like this was a kind of a rare moment because it's 2016 so it's before flower boyAfter Cherrybaum but this shows that like like this kind of was a good moment where he's like okay. He's gonna be goodCherry bomb is not gonna like if that failed quote unquote it's not over right so has bars
01:03:07but I can still do this.Yeah.Right.So I love that moment.So that's what I'd like to, I'd like to pick.Yeah.When I heard the song on Pablo, what is it called on Pablo?Freestyle.
01:03:20Freestyle 4?Yeah, freestyle 4.It's a gold frapp sample.I don't know if you know cold frapp.But gold frapp is a, I guess a 2000s era, what would we call?Like, electro pop.Okay.I guess I would maybe describe them as.
01:03:37like kind of in the vein of Bjorkpoured his head, but a little bit moreLas Vegas sounding, if that makes sense.And not in a bad way.No, just like in a like more glitzy glamversion of like still cool, still a little bit dark at times.But really talentedinstrumental's beautiful singer.
01:04:02And I was a fan of them before Pablo.I was obsessed with them for a little while.And so that's a sample of one of my favorite goldfraps song.So when I heard it, I was like, oh, shit, they sampled that song.And then when the beat comes in, I was like, whoa, they did this with it.So I'm just like great memories of freestyle four.And then to hear Tyler, of course Tyler is going to be attracted to that beat.Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
01:04:24Oh, it's the beautiful, ugly, like, the chaos.It's like, it's so Tyler.And so when I, I saw it first with the video on YouTube, which is just kind of like, if people haven't seen it,just exist there.They're just like in the studio.Sounds like someone just grabbed the camera.It's a great video.And they just fucking around.
01:04:42Got the dirt bike in the studio.He's got the green hat.Oh,it's crazy.That's cool.Yeah.It's just a cool moment.And yeah,
01:04:50it's one I forgot about until this exercise when I was like,oh,I remember the one.And then I went back to it and I watched the whole video again.Jasper and Taco and going crazy in the background.And I think they,don't they show ASAP doing his like ad libs and stuff?Like recording live.
01:05:07The Alas are so good.Yeah.I just be real.The energy is insane.It's so great.Yeah.Yeah.So it's cool to see, because we don't get like the Tyler goofball moments too much anymore.
01:05:19Right.So to see him comfortable enough to like do that.It's nice to look back at like a refined.Yeah.There's no, like, I'm not like cringing at any of the bars.I don't think.I don't know.But, you know?
01:05:32Yeah.This was as good as it got.Right.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.It's cool.All right, so let's recap what we chose.
01:05:39I'm going to just go through my list just real quick.Then Cam, you'll do the same.All right, my list is Garden Shed, New Magic One, Massa, Okra, Yonkers, 48, Find Your Wings, and Igor's theme.Good one.It's a good one, but it's not as good as mine, cool.Over here, I got, 911, Mr. Lonely, Earthquake, What's Your Name, the Funk Flex Freestyle from 2019?She, featuring Frank Ocean,answer, keep the
01:06:09O's, and what the, right nowfeaturing A sap Rocky.Is that the official title?It's what the, right now,it doesn't have the featurebecause he was just as, I don't know,they were just goofing around.And it's on like the odd future YouTube page.
01:06:21It's not even on Tyler's.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, I'm looking at your list versus mine.And mine is so much better.It's so much cool.I'm going to just give you the funk,the funk flex pick is.Come on.
01:06:34Come on.It kind of makes the list, to be honest.Gotta be thinking.Yeah.Both are good lists.I mean, I have, I've got Earth, I've got, sorry, I've got Garnethe and New Magic One.And New Magic One.You have the One.
01:06:48Yeah.Yeah.And Igor's theme, I don't know.This is true.Pretty good.And Yonkers.Oh, you have Yonkers.Oh, Yonkers.
01:06:56I'm sick of tired talking about Yonkers.That's good.No, that's very good.Now this is fun.He has some good songs.Tyler made some good music, man.He's just getting,I feel like he's just getting started too.
01:07:09Dude.And he still seems hungry, which is,that's nice.I love,because it's so easy to get jaded.And you see it all the time with artists.I think,like Kendrick kind of went through this
01:07:21in those past five years.And Tyler just seems excited still.And he's getting better.And he knows he's getting better.And he's more and more confident.Like, he's always been confident,but you can just tell he's hit a new levelof just he knows he can do it.
01:07:35He knows he can do whatever he wants, you know?It's important as, like, hip-hop agesand as the artist age.Tyler's, like, right after the first artistwho really got to age.Yeah.He's able to do it better.Yeah.
01:07:48And we're about to see that.Oh, it's going to be cool.So excited.Yeah.Well, do you think he's going to do,so most fans know he does an album dropevery summer, every two years.Do you think he's going to do it this year?
01:08:03hope not.I hopeas weird as that might sound.I hope he does not.I hope we get an albumthat takes more than two yearsthat hasa little bit more built.
01:08:17I would like it.I also think we're about to get Frank Oceanso like we don't need anybody else.We're good.2023, we're good.Everybody else, stop.Wait, leave it for later.It's fine.
01:08:30Yeah, I'm actually with you.I don'tobviously you can dowhatever he wantsand whateverif he doesit's probablygonna be good
01:08:37butyeahgive me the threegive me the threeyearTyler albummaybe the four yearfour year is hard
01:08:45three years I thinkmight be perfectbecause I justbuild a bitbuild a little bit moreyeahmore worldyeah
01:08:56more videooh pleaseyeahthat would beI think he'skind ofI think he deservesthe time
01:09:02Yeah. Maybe the schedule thing is good for his just productivity and stuff and he doesn't want to like ruin that. Everyone, he seems very regimented in his routines and getting up early and working up, you know what I mean? So maybe it's just a big part of who he is. But I don't know. I feel like he's, it feels like the time's right to break that. If he's going to break it, I feel like I don't think people are mad. I think he's at the point where he can give himself some freedom if he wants, obviously, you know.yeah i just you know we did two seasons on him um and i just for the biggest reason being i just lovefollowing who he's become and i really wanted to honor what i think is a generational album in thei think you know i don't have any i don't really have any regrets with dissect but i thinkmaybe flower boy might have just been too early um like part of mepicking Flower Boy was like without because I hadn't heard Eaguer before you know right rightand when I heard Flower Boy is like he's he's he's one he's he's he's the guy like itcemented it and I wanted to be kind of early on that. Like no this is good like this is important
01:10:19and it's good it's he's going to be here for a while and I wanted it because Cherry Bonn was socontroversial right and his I don't know his future was kind of in question not inquestion, but like, could he be sustained the kind of cultural, you know, influence or prominencethat he had with the start. And I think Cherubon was, it seems like even for him was kind of thiscrossroads moment of like, oh, I could, this could end, you know, possibly. And to come back withFlower Boy and the promise that it showed and the diversity and stuff, and all, everything about thatalbum, I was just like, oh. But then Igor is just like, I cannot not do Igor. It's the one. It's thegenerational one. It's the general. It's the general.
01:11:00It's the dorm poster.It's the thing that's in the record store 50 years from now that like everybody's tired of seeing it.It's the like Fleetwood Mac Rumors type thing.Like that's what this is, guys.Right.Yeah.This is this is a hundred years from now.Yeah.
01:11:17They're like, oh, that's just a.Still selling in the vinyl.That's it.My dollars will probably end up having it on vinyl one day.Yeah.Like, dad, have you heard this album, Igor?Have you heard of Igor?I do think it's going to be one of those albums.
01:11:32It is.All right, well, Cam, thanks for another great season.Thank you, cool.Pleasure, as always, to work with you.We are now going to transition into the remainder of the listener submissions.I already thanked everyone in the last episode, so I'll keep it brief here.But, of course, thank you, everyone that's been listening.We got some really exciting stuff coming this year.
01:11:55So hopefully you stay on board.And, yeah, thanks for everyone taking the time,to submit these really beautiful and thoughtful listener submissions.So we're going to transition those to close up this season.Yeah, everyone, have a beautiful year.Hi, Cole.I'm Yatham from Israel.First, I really want to thank you for once again making an incredible season of Dysect.
01:12:43My biggest takeaway from this season and from my dozens of listens of Igoris the power of moments.In the album, there are many, many brief and special moments which are on their own are not much.but together they end up making Igor a much better and unique album experience.My favorite example of a moment is probably on the final track,when the song almost slows down to a halt but then returns in a beautiful way,just adding to Tyler's musical genius.Hi, my name's Jack and I'm from Colorado Springs, Colorado.
01:13:14Igor was not my first of Tyler's albums,but having listened to him for several years and after hearing Flower Boy,I was excited for Igor.Just the story they told and all of it sounds attracted me instantly.I was hooked and made me want to dive much deeper into music.I'd have it on repeat constantly trying to hear every single detail Tyler orchestrated togetherand just couldn't get enough and became a huge fan instantly.Thanks, Colin Cam, for what you guys do and helping me learn more about my favorite music.
01:13:44Hey, this is Emiliano Luna from Miami.So Igor has been my favorite album for a good while now, but after listening to it for so many times,it got difficult to try to pinpoint why it was that I enjoyed it so much.But when I found out, season 10 of Dysike was going to be Igor,I was legitimately flipping out.But what surprised me the most was the new life,each episode of the season brought to the album.And after listening to the whole season,
01:14:06I've gained a completely new appreciation for the albumthrough its themes, Tyler's vulnerability,and pure artistry and his attention to detail,which is why I connect so well to this album.So thank you, guys.Hi, Cole. My name's Cohen, and I'm from the Netherlands.Listening to Igor and hearing you examine it has been a great help to me.After going through a breakup, I found it really hard to disconnect myself mentally from my now ex-partner.
01:14:30And I have felt that listening to Tyler's experience and hearing him go through a similar situation has really helped me figure out how to deal with it.Thank you for making this season and making this album even better to listen to.Love of the show.Hi, my name is Andrea. I'm 18 and I'm from Italy.Igor is my favorite album of all timeand I think that after all these analysisthe most important lesson I've learnedis the acceptance of our limits
01:14:56even if we feel invinciblesometimes our will and our energyare not enough to make thingsas we want it to bethis wasted potential sucksbut we can only try to move ongiving it everything that we caneven if there's always an obstacle
01:15:10thank you for this beautiful seasonHey Cole this is Declan calling youfrom Dublin and Irelandwhere this season really clickedfor me and brought it to the next level, was listening to puppet and thinking about how Tylerhas created something which feels so real and so natural, despite being so deliberate and meticulouslycrafted. And it hit me that that is what a puppet is. A puppet looks real, but is a deliberate,crafted piece of art history. And that is the opposite of what an Igor is. An Igor is an attempt to make a puppet
01:15:45that fails.Hey Cole, this is Everett from Chicago.Tyler's 2019 album, Igor, perfectly preserved my first listening.This album and the summer of 2019 will always be intertwined.As I've grown and matured, the themes and messages of Igor only echo in my love life.From one relationship to the next, I always related to a track on Igor, as if I could assign each previous partner of mine with a song on Igor.Keep doing what you're doing, Cole.Thank you so much.
01:16:15Hi, so my main takeaway would definitely be the storytelling.In particular, the part in the middle of the album,that duality of not only running away from his fears of abandonment and insecurity,but also he's running, he's chasing this person who won't be straight with him,probably isn't the best for him, but he's still chasing him because of the illusion of that's what he wants and that's what's best.And I think we all can relate to that in some way.So that is definitely my main takeaway.My name is Sharon.
01:16:47I'm from the UK, and there is so much to love about Igor,but I really like to hear Tyler experiment with his vocals,especially because he's expressed that he doesn't like his singing voice many times.I think it shows how much he's matured as an artistto get over the mindset that he can't sing.Because to me, the voice is the best instrument to portray any kind of emotion,and we get to hear the desperation and the anger.directly from Tyler.
01:17:15It just feels very raw and real.And it's one of many reasons why this is my favorite project from him.My name is David and I am from Tulsa.My takeaway from Igor was,the album is multi-dimensional.I remember being at Camp Flaggnaw, 2019,and seeing Tyler pause for three minutes, then scream.That was quite the sound and the album has great transitions.
01:17:43Hello, I'm Luke from England.Usually, if I was to fill away about someone, if it wasn't going the best,I usually just distract myself to hide, sort of master pain from myself.But this time, Gore has fully helped me to just swim in and feel everything.And I felt so much hurt, but I felt so much love for this person ever.So you're so happy I did.And this is how we did it.So thank you.
01:18:11Hi, this is Eric from Lawrence, Kansas.My biggest takeaway from this season of Dysect is how Tyler fully embraces who he is as a person and everything he does, most notably in his music.Throughout Igor, Tyler realizes that it is more important to be comfortable with who you are as a person than it is to be loved by another.In the end, we just have ourselves.You can love someone else all you want, but if you do not love yourself, you can never truly be happy.Thank you, Cole, for another great season of Dyset.and I cannot wait for the next one.My name is Bob, and I'm from Albion, Illinois.
01:18:46Whenever I listen to Igor for the first time,it's definitely a memory that I'm not ever going to forget.I was lying in bed with Maya Shet,and I literally felt like I was sinking into my bedas the sound of the sense hit my ears.Igor and dissect season 10 really made me realizehow much depth there is in musicand how to truly appreciate it for what it is.
01:19:00The track that probably stands out to me the mostis gone-gone-thank-thank-you,because it taught me to be thankfulfor past experiences and relationships.And in my opinion,Igor is definitely its own genre of music.My name is Evan and I'm from London.My biggest takeaway from ego is to live life as it goes.
01:19:17Not every day is the same.We make relationships and we lose relationships.It sounds corny, but ego has taught me that I really do need to live life in the momentand cherish my relationships because anything could happen.Recently, one of my best friends dumped me and ego has gotten me past the factand made me realize that's just bad timing.I can always go back to this album and every time it takes me.on a journey and I ended up feeling better on the other side.
01:19:43This is Matt from Tulare, California and this season's Dysect has been absolutely on par withevery other season. It is absolutely fantastic. It taught me that just how complex love is and howdiverse it is and how hard to understand it is, it is something universal that everybody canunderstand and I just hope everybody gets that happy ending. Thank you Cole for such anan amazing podcast, and thank you, Tyler, for making an album that everybody can relate to.Hey, I'm Liz Small, and I'm from Nashville, Tennessee.My biggest takeaway from Tyler's album, Igor, is the intention behind every artistic choice.I listened to The Season of Dysect the whole time I was driving home from school in New Orleans,
01:20:25and I was blown away by the variety of sampling and audio laying throughout the album,not to mention the way it paints such a vivid image when listened to from start to finish.This album remains one of my all-time favorites and will forever change the way I go about mycreative pursuits. I'm Rory Daly and I'm from Ireland. The first I ever heard of Tyler was duringsummer when my friend and I stopped for a break during our cycle around the countryside. I opened up myphone and I remember one of the first posts of my feed being an edit of some guy flowing over a housewhile Carrey's verse and earthquake was playing. It didn't take long for me to be soaked into theTyler to create a rabbit hole. I'd so much fun discovering new things about Tyler from odd future
01:21:00to Lorde Squad and to Igor. The theme of searching for confirmation and wanting something thatyou can't have but so desperately want opened my eyes up and helped me realize someone.much about myself and about Tyler.It's my favorite album and I can't put into words how much it means to me.Hi, my name's Gavin and I'm from Virginia.Since the release of Igor, this album has meant everything to me.Musically, lyrically, and the world created around it.Before the release of the album, Tyler said that I believe the first listen works best all the way through.
01:21:27No skips, front to back, no distractions either.I stayed up to 12 a.m. waiting for the release of the album and I did exactly that.During that time, I was in a toxic relationship, and when I listened to the song Puppet, I couldn't help but cry.I related to the narrative of the song and felt just like the title.So I cut the strings, and now I'm free.My name is Alex from Chicago, Illinois.I love Igor.I have it on vinyl.
01:21:52I got to see Tyler Live and perform some of the songs.I love the time motif that you guys kept focusing on and breaking down.It is a perfect travel album.It is the perfect love album, and the whole album is my November because it came to me at the start of a relationship.And when that relationship was finished, it was there and made even more sense.My ultimate favorite takeaway is that if you need the album on repeat, it resolves itself.Hi, Dysect. My name's Matt. I'm from Arkansas. I love Igor. I love how many instruments work together to create such a cohesive sound.and I love the way that this is a real exploration of the gray areas of love.
01:22:36I've got a lot to say, but only 30 or so seconds to say it.Yeah, you can slow that down if you want to get my take on it.But thank you so much to Cole, Kevin, Andrew, and Beocratic for making another wonderful season of this show, and I can't wait to see what's next.Hi, I am Shemad. I'm from the Cape Verdean Islands and every time I get an opportunity to listen to Igor, I am the happiest I'll ever be. I feel happy, sad, angry, jealous, all the emotions that Tyler put into this album. Trust me, I am feeling them. But I am also so excited that we now have a full season of Dysect for this album. For the longest time, I've only listened to the one hour long during Flower Boy era. And now that we have this, it couldn't be.the most perfect thing.Thank you so much for another great season.This album is perfect.Hey, my name is Jassy.
01:23:34I'm from San Diego.And I love Igor because it really opened the doorto good music for me.Like before I heard Igor, I wasn't really listeningto a lot of good stuff.And yeah, it just opened a door for me.I don't personally empathizewith everything he's going through on the album,
01:23:54but it's still, you know, the goatfor me. It's my favorite Tyler album. I think it's the best period. All right, bye.Hey, this is David from Camino Island, Washington. I just wanted to say that I really appreciatedsome of the musical breakdowns in this season of Dysect. I personally am a musician. I work a lotwith synths and things. And I remember that when this album came out was kind of around the timeI was getting into that as a hobby. So hearing your guys as musical breakdowns and somethat was interesting because I remember this album was a big inspiration for me when I was gettinginto music. So thank you. My name is Gio from Miami. My takeaway is just the pure anguish he has,
01:24:41man. He's in love and he needs him, but he can't have him. He learns that there's nothingyou can do. No way to make them want you. And in the end, he asked the question everyone that'sbeen rejected says, are we still friends?and he gets hope again for something that can never be, and that shit hurts.Hey, I'm Chris, and I'm from Dallas, Texas.I've always gravitated towards Tyler, especially from Flower Boy on,because of the way he blends multiple genres together,and Igor is his masterclass of this.
01:25:14He told a compelling story of a homosexual man in a love triangle,using many genres and styles to the point where you can't even call it a rap album.I already love this album, but after listening to this album,season of Dissect, I noticed many things about the story and musicality of the album that I hadn'tconsidered before. So thank you, Cole. I love the work you do. This is Chris from New York,and my biggest takeaway is that Igor is the perfect combination of Flower Boy's raw lyricism,and call me if you get lost unreal production. And this pod helped me realize that.Hi, I'm Lyndon from Toronto, and I would say one of my favorite things about Igor is the
01:25:52travel motif and how Tyler, like, changes his feelings, he changes. He'schanges his views towards love interest and he changes his outlook on light throughout the album.One thing I can really respect about the other than the creators, Igor, is that he is truthfullyhonest about how he's feeling about his feelings and his relationship with his crush.And honestly, I feel like a lot of people can relate with a lot of the feelings that he's feeling,especially when it comes to just love not being reciprocated.and just in that general honesty, it's very rare to find nowadays.So honestly, all I have to say is I truthfully respect Tyler for being honest
01:26:33and I just really appreciate this art.Thank you, Cole.Hey, Cole.This is Griffin from Alberta, Canada, long-time listener, first-time caller.Igor came out when I was backpacking Europe and I was actually in London for his failed pop-up show.We couldn't get in, and when it was canceled, we ended up partying in the streets listening to the album.I was going through a breakup at the timeand the album really helped me through it.
01:26:55Although I don't relate to all of the themes,at the time it felt like the album was just for me.So it will always have a special place in my heart.And it stays in my rotation year after year.It was great to experience it with a dissect treatment.Thanks, Cole.Hi, my name is Christian.I'm from Phoenix, Arizona.
01:27:11Something that struck out to me the most in this albumis that Tyler has done everything in his powerto make this relationship work to the point where he had lost himself.By the last acts of the story,it seems that he accepted the fact that they were movingthrough life at different paces, but here he is pleading to remain friends.He's looking for a tiny bit of hope to keep this person in their life and hopefully someday betogether.
01:27:30Tyler is choosing any form of relationship with this person over himself.It just reminds you how intoxicating love can be.Hi, my name is Harper and I'm from Jacksonville, Florida.I think my biggest takeaway from Igor is like the art of subtle storytelling.It feels like every song is like an episode if you look at it a certain way.and it's like watching your favorite episodewhen you listen to a single song,but you can also just listen to it for like the fuck of it, you know?
01:27:59It's beautiful in the way that it's done.And I think, yeah, it's just fucking great.I don't know what to say.My name is Ari, and I'm from Kansas City.In 2019, shortly after Eager's release,I found Tyler's music.Since then, we've listened to every song,memorized almost every lyric and I'm obsessed with every album.
01:28:26He's influenced the way I dress, the music I listen to.I don't know where I'd be without Tyler of the Creator's music.This is Jake from Chicago.My biggest takeaway from Igor is love can be perceived as many things by many people.Complicated, necessary, the devil, more than just a game for two.It can have no edges and it can surround.around you in a cloud of bliss.And in Igor's case, it's an endless loop from which there is no escape,
01:28:56especially with this guy he's been chasing all record.Exactly what he runs from, he ends up chasing.And the cycle continues.Thank you, Colin Camden, for another great season.Hi, my name is Max, and I'm from Sweden.I just want to say that you guys did such a good job of using complex music theoryand kind of simplifying it for someone who would normallybe intimidated by that kind of thing.
01:29:22And also how you emphasize the importance of analyzing music in order to understandcertain themes and to always go beyond.And it just made me appreciate Tyler the Creator a lot more.So thank you for that.My name is Steve.And in November of 2018, I broke up with my girlfriend of a year.I handled it pretty well until May of 2019 when Igor came out and everything came loose.To this day, as much as I year and for,
01:29:50another relationship, I fear the same results.But at the same time, Igor has given me a better view of the world and made me a better person.Hey, what's good? My name is Johnny and I'm from Southern California.My biggest takeaway from Igor was the embracing of feelings, to not be afraid to feel youremotions, whether that's falling in love or accepting that it's over.It helped me mature and truly live.Igor is actually my favorite album, which led to Tyler being my favorite artist.And I listened to Igor so much that Spotify recommended Season 4 of Dysectomy.
01:30:28And I've been listening ever since.Hey, this is Daniel from Columbia.So when I first started listening to Igor, I thought it was just okay.Another breakup album, whatever.But after listening to this podcast, I realize it's so much more than that.This album is so intricately produced and conceptualized.It's such a fantastic exploration of love and loss and what that does.does to you. Not to mention, it's one of the most poignant albums about queer relationships ever,
01:30:52released from an artist who, when he started, was using gay slurs in his music. I truly believe thisis Tyler's magnanimopus, and it will stand the test of time. Hello, my name is John, and I'm fromNorthern California. My biggest takeaway from this season is the Dysect Teams' breakdown of all theinstrumentals. I think that this is one of the best-produced albums of the past five years. It is one of thebest-produce albums of the 2010sdecade. So thanks, Cole andteam for breaking that down for us.Everything is absolutely
01:31:24stunning on this album.So, peace out.Thank you so much. Goodbye.Hi, my name is Zeus from Arizonaand Igor ishappiness.It embodies everything a good story shouldand envires everything the good music should.
01:31:41It has feeling, hasa pivoting point and it haslike a way to captive me, you know, bring you in. It's like the first time you have candy. It'samazing. I hope everyone gets to listen to it one day. This is Dallan from Salt Lake City, Utah,and my biggest takeaway from Igor in this season of Dysect is how Tyler can put words to suchspecific emotions and situations. My girlfriend of two years and I just broke up a couple weeks ago,and the phrases and words that he's able to use on songs like Gone Gone Thank You are so applicable, even though they're so specific.And I think that's true for a lot of people on a lot of the different songs.
01:32:23I'm Rufus. I'm from London, and I've absolutely loved to dissect season 10.I've been a fan of Eagle since it dropped.And being able to linger with it for all these weeks on each track individually has been really great to not only fully digest the narrative, but each musical.influence and really being able to listen more consciously when I hear the album, like thingsthat I didn't even know, like that travel motif that keeps coming up or the fact that Solange isall over the record. So thank you very much for this season. I'm Spencer from Los Angeles. Igorarrived at a very important time in my life on my last day of classes in high school and not long afterI had severed ties with someone who I was in a toxic relationship with. I struggle was similar
01:33:06to Igor's in that I was with someone who was struggling to figure out who they were and ended up being a badinfluence on me. Igor and I both learned from and acknowledged our shortcomings and moved on.Revisiting the album's key themes throughout the season, so far removed from my situation,was eye-opening and refreshing. As an aspiring critic of music, I adore this album's attention to detail,down to the subtle choices that Tyler or Cole called out directly. Thanks again for anothergreat season. Looking forward to the next one. Hi, my name is Jay Hollywood. I'm from New York. I'd sayIgor's my favorite album ever. I've listened to it millions of times, but I think something that I reallybecame aware of from this dissect season is how much risk Tyler took on this album.
01:33:45Production-wise, like having the same synth base on damn near every song, and also some of thedecisions he made in terms of music theory, like having the ending of Are We Still Friendstied to exactly what you run from? You end up chasing idea. It's crazy how he made all thesemusical decisions really supplement and enhance the narrative of the album.Hi, my name is Nate. I'm from Louisville, Kentucky, and Igor was the first albumdrop I was ever excited for. I got up the morning of release, listened to the whole thing beforeschool. Then when I got to school, I sat in the back of class, hid my earbuds from the teacher,and listened to the whole thing again, front to back, trying to convince myself that I didn't
01:34:24like boys. Igor and Flowerboy, they were my gateway drugs into music, and they meant everythingto me growing up as a closet of bisexual. So thank you, Tyler, for your art. And thank you,Cole and the whole Dysect team for another incredible season.Easy. I'm Ben Random from West Yorkshire, England, and my biggest takeaway from this serieshas just been the consistency of mind-blowing information that has just opened up a world toan album that I pretty much listened to every day before, and yet, realizing it even scratchedthe surface. So thank you, thank you, thank you, big love and keep representing. And I praystyle gets to hear this because it deserves that sign off.
01:35:10Hi, this is Gabe from Sacramento, California.One thing that really stood out to me from Igorwas how leaving the messiness in art makes it more interesting.And this is a really good antidote to perfectionism.Like how Yeezys vocals on Puppet add to the story about incompletenesswhen they themselves are unfinished.Hi, Cole.My name is Alberto and I'm from Montreal, Canada.
01:35:42What an incredible season of dissect this has been.For me, Igor is an album that I keep returning toin times of heartache and loss.The overarching theme of timing being such a powerful forcein the formation of romantic relationships,I find are captured by Tyler so honestlyin the lyrics throughout the album.And I found your reflection on this theme
01:36:00at the end of the boyfriend running out of time episodesso beautifully articulated.my favorite moment of the season by far.Thank you for another wonderful season.All the best to you and the Dysect team.Hey, Cole, this is Kean from Minneapolis, but living in Denmark.Igor has always been a special album for me since it came out while I was going through a serious breakup in my life.Gone Gone, thank you, always stood out to me as such a reflective, heartfelt, sad song, yet so beautiful and upbeat.
01:36:27One I felt I could really relate to, albeit in a different way.Now this season of Dysect has happened to coincide with a new relationship.in my life, and now I'm reflecting on this life cycle of relationships from a new perspective.After all, exactly what you run from, you end up chasing.Hey, this is David from Minnesota. I'm going to be honest, when I first heard Igor, I thought it wastrash. The harsh ugliness of some of the songs made it hard for me to enjoy it. And that beingsaid, through Cole's analysis, I've been able to see the beauty of the album, and now I cannotstop listening to it. Thank you, Cole, for helping me understand this album and so many more
01:37:03with your excellent work on Dissect.Hi, I'm Vijay from Lester, England,and my biggest takeaway from Ego is that things don't always work outthe way you wanted them to or the way you thought they were,but sometimes maybe that's how it should be.During the course of this season, I went through a breakup,and I just want to say the ending of the Running Outtime episode was beautiful.It did bring a tit to my eye.
01:37:28I just want to thank Cam and Cull for the writing,and I can't wait for the next season.Hi, my name is Chenera and what I took away from this season of dissect was definitely how to look at a more expansive view of Tyler's like breakup album because when Tyler creates anything, it's obviously going to have the standard storytelling and the artistry, but definitely with Cole's dissection of it like he does with every season, it kind of expands it. It's like this lets you see from this point of view and this beat or this type of chords in a piano kind of gives you new,ground to kind of explore it in this type of storytelling that we got from Igor.My name is Erica. I'm from Tacoma, Washington. I just wanted to say that Igor is a beautifulstory, narrating Tyler's experience falling in and out of love. The driving motif is especiallyimpactful, knowing it was also a motif in Flower Boy. Tyler uses driving as a concept on twoalbums to explore his queer identity, illustrating his journey of self-acceptance, self-love,
01:38:34romantic love, and personal liberation.Hey, Cole and the sec team.I'm Matt from Charlotte, North Carolina.When Igor was first released, I was initially disappointed with how different it was fromTyler's past projects.But after a few years of growth, I decided to listen to it again during a time where I washaving issues in my relationship.I had felt enlightened and understood by the struggles that Tyler goes through on the album,
01:38:55and it gave me a comfort that nothing else had provided it.such a difficult time. My takeaway wasI should live my truth. At the time,I was changing my personality to my surroundings,not sure who I was and what I wanted tolive for. But Tyler's sounds and storyhelped me realize that you should live for yourselfand do what you love, because then you can find
01:39:12peace. Hey Cole,it's Xavier from New Jersey, and ifIgor taught me anything, it's likegetting your heartbroken is a terrible feeling,but if it ever happens to me again,listening to this album is how I'll bounce backfrom it. Igor is likeflower boy, but on steroids, and I love
01:39:28every second of it. This album is just so cohesive that it raised the bar for every project I heardafter it. Tyler is just so good at building worlds and securing his sound that Igor's theme just putsme to trance that has me looping it. But at some point, you come to your senses. Thanks for an awesomeseason. Hello, my name is Brandon from Southern California. While Igor was already my favoritealbum when it came to just the sound of the music, being shown this very show by a friend,that has helped my appreciation for this album only go up.It's just dissecting each and every sound and lyric to decipher this message and meaning to this very powerful album.I'm only thankful that I got the opportunity to listen to this amazing show and break down Igor to its very core.
01:40:16Hello to everybody at Dissect.My name is Monika, and I'm originally from Tacoma, Washington.Being such a huge fan of this podcast, my biggest takeaway from the season's review of Igor,was understanding Tyler's willingness to embrace many of his dualities throughout the album's journey.I was most fascinating in particular with embracing both your beauty and ugliness as exemplified through the sound and production process.And oh, my absolute favorite track on the album is, I Think.My name is Adam, and I live in Salt Lake City.One of the most profound things I took away from Igor this season was the idea of time and how relationships sometimes cannot happen due to timing.
01:40:52falling in love takes the right amount of timing and luck even if it doesn't work out we can learn from it and be grateful to have been able to fall in love and experience those emotions we use those experiences to help us in future romantic partnerships thanks for a great season cold
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