Dissect - 'WOLF' & 'CHERRY BOMB' | Last Song Standing (E2)

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

Cole & Charles continue their journey to crown Tyler The Creator's best song ever by revisiting his album's WOLF and CHERRY BOMB. Follow @dissectpodcast on⁠ Instagram⁠,⁠ TikTok⁠, and⁠ Twitter⁠. Hosts: Cole Cuchna & Charles Holmes Producer: Justin Sayles  Editor: Kevin Pooler Engineer: Sarah Reddy Theme Music: Birocratic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome everyone to Last Song Standing. I'm Cole Kushna. And I'm Charles Holmes. And in this fifth season of Last Song Standing, we're debating our way through all of Wolf Halley's discography in order to crown the greatest Tyler the creator song of all time. Last episode, we covered Tyler's first two projects, Bastard and Goblin. Today, another double episode, 2013's Wolf and 2015's Cherry Bomb. She don't ever, ever got a struggle. Oh, Cole. How are you doing? I'm doing great, Charles.

Thanks for asking. Honestly, I could not be doing worse. This is going to be so dated by the time this comes out, but I saw a very challenging movie. Okay. And then I walked out to see a score of a basketball game and my, uh, my heart dropped. It's okay. You guys are doing it right. At the time of recording 2-1 Nix.

Yes. By the time this is out, I think the finals might be over. Yeah. So people will be like in the future, it'll be like either like, don't worry, Charles, it all gets better or they're just like, the Nix will always break your heart. Well, I'm a Sacramento Kings fan,

so I don't have too much sympathy for you. Okay, last episode, Bastard Goblin. Yep. Do you want to remind the listeners your last long standings from those albums? Yeah, so for Bastard, I picked French. And then from Goblin, I pick Yonkers. I went for Bastard.

I went title track, of course. And then for Goblin, I went She. Are you feeling good about the list? I'm feeling good about the list so far because even the biggest odd future stands, the standout tracks, honestly, from those two projects and these next two, I think are very, very obvious. Sometimes we like to sneak it, maybe a fan favorite or a deep cut. But for Tyler, it's kind of very obvious what the good songs are. In the early catalog, that's kind of why we're doing double episodes for this early work.

Yep. But today I'm really excited because I think both of these projects are, I wouldn't say top tier, Tyler, but we're getting there. We are, we are ramping up. And it's funny because once you know it when you look at all the dates, but it is funny where you're just like, yes, in the same way that Drake almost drops. every year, every other year, so does Tyler. I think he takes like what a year and a half, two years. Yeah, every two years pretty much on the dot. So it is very interesting seeing the progression of just like even on Wolf,

how much better he becomes as a producer and a rapper very, very quickly. And there was something like Cherry Bomb, you're like, okay, this is the experimental one. Kids evolve very fast. The teens, the teens have a very, yeah, you also forget Tyler is 20, 21, 22, do when he's making these albums, which... I believe because when for fucking young, he was on Genius. And they'll have like questions at the bottom.

And one of the questions was, how old was Tyler? And it was like 24. And that's what I was like, oh, even when people were listening to this, they were just like, let's check when Tyler was born.

Well, yeah, I mean, we'll probably talk about it a little bit later, but I don't think Tyler gets enough credit for self-producing every single one of his projects from day one. And I mean, that's a large learning curve,

especially when he got, you know, he blew up pretty young, only a few years after he started making music. Like, that's a tall task to produce, self-produce every single track of these 20 plus track albums. And so, like we talked about last episode, the coolest thing is we do see the incremental evolution. And I think Wolf, which we'll get into right after this break,

is the first jump. It's the first like couple clicks, you know, we're from bastard to goblin. To me, those two, two albums kind of mushed together. Yeah. Wolf feels like it stands on its own. Really quick. Why do you think for most people we forgive Tyler for doing something that like a rapper who was just a few years, a senior Jay Cole does, which is produce all of his own music? where it's like, to me, both Jay Cole and Tyler, their beats start off very amatrous, where you'll have one or two songs where it's just like, oh, I can see that there's something here. But as Tyler progresses, I end up like that he produces all of his music. And when I listen to someone like Jay Cole, I'm like, damn, I wish he would rap over someone else's production. What do you think that is?

Because I think that is the general consensus in the marketplace. I mean, not to make this, you know, negative about Jay Cole, but like, what is Jay Cole's signature sound? Can you hear it in your head? Kind of, but not really. It almost sounds like Kanye is to Jay Cole, what Farrell is to Tyler, but where Tyler spends the bulk of his career,

almost like, I'm influenced by Farrell, Neptunes, Neptunes, Neptunes, and then getting to a point where he's starting to build a foundation of, No, this is a Tyler B. I can tell where you're pulling from, but to your, like, this is a world. Yeah. Jay Cole's production never feels like a world to me.

Yeah. And I think that just to make it more about Tyler, I think that's what we talked about last episode a little bit, which is like a singular vision from day one that was only more and more refined and evolved where the influences as all great artists end up doing as they age, the influences kind of fade and shed to where you get. the influences are still there, but the sound becomes so singular that you kind of forget.

Oh yeah, he was really inspired by the Neptines, even though you can kind of maybe point to a drumbeat and say, oh, yeah, that's a little bit, you know, feralish. I think all great artists end up doing that. You can go through history and study the great artists.

And usually they are very early on wearing the influences on their sleeve. And by the time they get to their mature work, which I think Wolf begins to get there, they sound singular. All right. So before we get into Wolf, let's remind the listeners about the whole premise of last song standing as a project. So Cole, you and me, we go through an artist's entire discography. For this episode, obviously we're doing Wolf, Cherry Bomb.

Both of us are going to nominate two songs each. And then at the end of the episode, we're both going to have one pick from Wolf, one pick from Cherry Bomb that we are going to take into the Royal Rumble. And at the end of the season, all of these songs will duke it out until we can crown the last song standing. Beautiful. Quick break and we'll be back to talk Wolf. Hell yeah. This episode is presented by Sierra Nevada. Life's about embracing the haze. What does that mean? Living in the moment. Seeing where the night takes you. Being up for the adventure. And there's no better way to embrace it than with hazy little thing by Sierra Nevada. Hazy, citrusy, smooth. Juicy but not sweet. Hoppy but not bitter.

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Wolf is Tyler's third album released on April 2nd, 2013. The 18th song project features Earl, Frank Ocean, Haji Beads, Farrell, Erica Baudu, among others. and the project debuted at number three on the Billboard 200, selling 89,000 copies in its first week. With that all being said, can you explain to people the concept and the themes of Wolf? Because going back to the project and then reading,

like Tyler is not one of the only artists, but it's funny that like Odd Future can have a wiki because he has fans that have done a very good job of not only breaking down the aliases, but how all of the aliases kind of come. together on this project to tell a story. Yeah. So this is,

Wolf is where you get the final part of the Wolf trilogy. And this is, it kind of comes together because there's a world in which you can interpret goblin coming right after Bastard. But once Wolf, you understand the story of Wolf, you understand that Wolf actually is the second part of the story. And Goblin, as we talked about last episode,

is the final part. So Wolf is about essentially three main characters. So you have Wolf being the protagonist. essentially Tyler. You have Sam being the antagonist, this kind of camp bully, essentially. And then you have this girl Salem who Sam has a history with and that wolf ends up falling for at this camp flognaw camp. So it takes place in this camp. We hear Dr. T.C. And you realize if you're putting it together narratively, you realize that Dr. T.C. sent Tyler to this camp for troubled kids after the first session of Bastard. Yeah. And then after the events of Wolf, he gets sent to this insane asylum, like we talked about last episode for Goblin. I mean, the story is pretty simple. It does the setting, I think, is the most interesting part of that takes place at Camp Flagna.

And you hear Sam and Wolf at odds fighting over this girl. Sam ends up killing Earl Sweatshirt on the song Rusty. Yeah. Goes looking for Tyler or Wolf to kill him. Wolf and Salem end up having a little bit of intimacy and then they fall out. It all kind of doesn't really go anywhere, to be honest. I was going to ask you about this because I had remembered kind of like that there was this story when I was listening to this album back then.

And as a more fully formed adult now, I think I was in, I definitely was in college. Because I got tickets to this tour and then I sold them. but does the story work across this trilogy? I would say no, where it is, it is, to me, Tyler had the sketches of the story,

but he never commits. And because the Wolf Haley character is just Tyler the creator, a lot of times he is rapping about shit that is happening to Tyler, the creator, the rapper in the real world, but as Wolf. Right. So it's like,

it's, I'm like, oh, Tyler's just rapping about his, experiences. I'm like, oh, no, technically this is supposed to fold into a story. So it doesn't all wait. Like, people have like compared like Colossus to like Eminem Stan. Right. But it doesn't necessarily have, it doesn't do what Stan does because I'm like, well, this is supposed to be about a character. Right, right, right. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's the flaw of the concept.

And there's also just a lot of characters to keep track of, you know, a goblin. There's Troncat and an ace and there's all these, it's a whole cast of characters and it is a little piecemeal in terms of like, I mean, fans do have fun trying to piece it all together, but it is kind of that thing where it's like, because it doesn't, because it's all kind of blurry, you can stare at it forever and try to figure it out, but is there really anything to figure out? Yes. I mean, there, there is, there is a general arc, but like, does it add to, is it meaningful in anyway at the end of the day. And for me, it doesn't add any kind of resonance to the emotional

storytelling or anything conceptual. It doesn't really end up landing. So I think it's interesting looking back to say, hey, Tyler was building concept records from day one, but like everything else about his early music, not quite there. But we can see where he's going. And these are, we're just seeing him learning in real time. You know, I don't think we get a clean concept of Flower Boy or Igor without these first drafts. So I think it's interesting to look back on, but to answer your question, I don't know. Does it really work? Maybe not.

What are your thoughts, though, holistically about this album? Because this episode was a lot easier to do than the Bastard and Goblin episode because I have more affection for Bastard and Goblin just because that was the start. I was there. whether I love or hate some of the music, I just find it endlessly fascinating. And I think I have the opposite on this episode where these albums are way easier to listen to.

They're way more interesting. The production is better. The rapping, everything is better, but they do feel like the, I don't know if I want to say the midpoint of Tyler's career, but they do feel like in some ways, an affirmation of who he is, but also like him not fully understanding where he's going to go yet.

He's still figuring it out. Yeah, I think you see, I mean, we'll talk about Cherry Bomb in a bit, but you know, on that, you can hear pieces of Igor, you can hear pieces of Flower Boy very distinctly in certain sections of that record and as polished as those albums are from start to finish. I think what's missing from Wolf and Cherry Bomb while they're great in moments and even entire songs, they still are both a little bloated, in my opinion, especially Wolf, where he's not able to kind of carry, like, Flower Boy from start to finish to me is it like kind of a perfect title of the creator album. That is something you can hit play on from track one and just let it go.

Where with both Wolf and Cherry Bomb, for me, he's not quite there yet. The refinement's not there. The vision is there. And you get really great moments of brilliance, which we'll talk about when we get to the nominations, but he's still not quite able to piece it all together. Yeah. But he's close. He's getting very close. He's getting close. And it's having distance from all of these records and then listening to them.

Like I haven't listened to Flower Boy yet. I've very much been like, no, you're going to listen to these in chunks because I want to have the feeling of a listener of like seeing the growth in real time. And yeah, I'm excited to get to like Flower Boy and Igor call me if you get lost because I'm I'm like, I already know that he figures it out, but I'm interested to figure out, like, oh, how did it, how does it happen? Yeah, yeah. But now it is time to transition into one of our most contentious categories or sections. Trivia.

We named it Quiz me if you get lost. Quiz me if you get lost. Good name. I think it's pretty good. We absolutely failed last episode. Both went over. So I have some. softballs in here this time. I like, I was like, let me, me too. Who wants to go first? Well,

let's just get for the listeners that don't know, I think everyone probably knows at this point, but we're going to try to stump each other with little known facts. Whoever gets the most right will have first choice at the end of the episode for our last long standings. And then we're going to take a season long tally. Whoever has the most questions right at the end of the season will get a mystery prize by one Justin sales producer. You guys are making this really easy for me so far this here. What? What happens if nobody gets a single point? I am afraid that. I think we can just get fired at that point.

I have faith that you guys are going to write the ship this. Okay. I'll go first. I'm going to go first. Give me a softball. This is a softball. Okay. What is the meaning of the name Camp Flogna? And maybe meaning is not even like the right word. How did Tyler come up with that? Once again, something I read and have no recollection. I'm not even going to guess. Okay, just think about the words flogna. What does that structurally kind of look like? Well, oh, flogna golf way. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just that simple. Oh, I thought. I was like, is there some like hidden meaning? And I don't know. Yeah, it's wolfgang misspelled. Yeah, or backwards. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm going to give it to you. That was a super easy.

Yeah. Hey. Hmm. Justin, was that too easy? Sometimes, you know, like if you're missing all your shots, you just need to get in the free throw a lamp right he's going to get it going so okay this one i think you'll get this is super easy tyler claimed that connier wanted to be on two songs off of wolf what were those songs oh not easy no i didn't read this actually because off of wolf so he played do you know if he like played in the beat and then no he played him the songs at this time him and Kanye where he was calling he was like I was calling Kanye like once a week just to talk about art in music and he had played him these songs and he's like Kanye was not right for them. That well that one that's crazy to reject two Kanye features on your third album.

For real. All right. So I will say. Well, let me just try to guess. Okay. And then I'll give you a hint if you can't get it. Okay. Jamba?

No. Okay. Just trying to think which ones would appeal to Kanye at that. time. Can you give me a hint? One of the songs already in its final form had a legend on it. Of equal Kanye stature. I-F-H-Y?

Yep. Okay. So you got a half-point. And then... And then I want... Okay. For a hint, Tyler is reaching...

This is a song that Tyler makes that I like off this album. and he is reaching for something societal on it. Something societal? Yes. He's going out of his normal like comfort zone lyrically. Oh, 48. Yes. Sick.

How yeah. All right. I can see. Okay. Yeah. I was actually surprised when I looked. I was like, Connie,

that's pretty sick. The two. All right. Okay. I'll take it. We're, we're getting up to speed. We're getting on the freeway.

Okay, we're ramping up. This one you might get. Tyler used a, you used a live. string section for the first time on Cherry Bomb's two-seater. And whose studio did he record those strings? Hans Zimmer.

Yeah. Fuck yes. Fuck yes. Hell you. I think that's a legit question. That's good. Justin. That's a really good one.

Okay. No, because here's the thing. I read that today. I was like, no, I'm stuck. It's pretty sick. If you have time, anyone out there listening, if you go back to the Cherry Bond documentary, it's like a 45 minute making of documentary, and you see him. in the studio. Actually, let's play the clip here for people at home, but you see him for the first

time sitting with the string section and hearing the chord that he wrote being played by live strings in front of him. And you can see his face just so fucking happy. Yeah. Like, it's so cool to see it. And then like later, like a few minutes later, it shows him in Hans Zimmer meeting. And he said that Hans Zimmer like gave him the nod of approval for his arrangement, which is so, sick. For Tyler, especially at that time, at that age, on Cherrybomb, when he's trying to pursue, you know, he's trying all these things for the first time. It's, it's a really cool moment. And you get to see how that, I can guarantee that moment inspires him to kind of like push the envelope on successive albums. Hell yeah. All right. So this one, I think this is

going to be a softball and you can, if you don't know it, I feel like Justin can help you out. Okay. Tyler wanted death camp in what popular action movie from 2015? 2015 action sci-fi has gone on to be one of the most critically I would say it's probably one of the most important

movies of the 21st century legendary director I will say this is for the bro like this is like when everybody saw this movie it instantly went in the pan- am I allowed to just look up popular films from 2015

I know what it is it makes a lot of sense too if you hear it yeah like go to like popular Because you'll be like what movie out of these would Tyler want to death camp to be in? Okay, popular films. You said it's for the bros. Can I give a hint?

Yeah. Might be a little for the ladies. Mad Max Fury Road? Yes. First try, baby. I just need to the right list. But yeah, that makes a ton of sense. It makes a ton of sense, but that song should not.

Here's a thing. I get why Tyler wanted it in Bad Max Fury Road as someone who's seen Bad Max Fury Road. Tyler, where did the wall? I know. You got the guy on the front of the like the war machine playing the guitar. Yeah. Yeah. And if he played death camp, I would have turned the fucking.

As someone who likes death camp, who likes NERD, but no. All right. You're probably going to get this one. But for those that don't know, it will be interesting. What beat off of Cherry Bomb was originally intended for Watch the Throne? Oh. I know this one. Don't, don't overthink it.

I'm not overthinking it. Because Tyler, Tyler took it back. Yeah. Because he's like this. I want this. I want, but he did send it. It was smuckers. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Which is the first half of smuggers. That's what I love about Tyler at this point where it's like he is so. Because Tyler like he's, he's been like, I think he said it in the, um, the DJ drama interview that just dropped about like Jay Z like wanting to sign on future early on. And he was like, no, I kind of. wanted to do stuff myself and design everything and have control.

So sick. And that's what I think makes him such a like singular artist because how many. And if we're talking about like the blog era that was preceded Tyler and was the reason he's like, yo, fuck not right or two dope boys. When you think of like a Waleigh, he takes the Jay Z bright rock nation Branson goes on tour. Jay Cole ends up signing with him. There are so many artists that look up to Jay Z that they would they would die for like

Kanye and Jay to rap. And Tyler's like, fuck it. This is my world. I'm going to do it. It was the right choice. Like, odd future and Rock Nation just would. Terrible.

All right. So this one just makes me laugh. What's the name of the wrestler that Tyler plays in the DOMO 23 video? I don't know this, but fuky boogie. And I was like, okay, Tyler was funny. Tyler was something. Boogie, boogie. They just keep on.

Fooky boogie. I was like, hell yeah. All right, yo, I feel like we acquitted on those library. Yeah, we came back fucking strong. Okay, but technically you win three out of three. I went two for three. So that means that there are maybe we should,

because every single time, we forget who's in the league, but for right now it's three, two. Three two. Hell yeah. Well, Kevin will be our official. Producer Kevin will. All right, yo, we are, we got some on the board. I'm feeling good.

So maybe now it's time for a really quick, break. And then when we get back, it's time for nominations with Wolf. Do you have a preference? I can start. Yeah, start us all. Because I'm interesting, interested to where you're going to go. Not like last episode where I feel like there was really only, you know, a couple to choose from. Wolf, I feel like has a wide palette of acceptable songs.

So I'm going to pivot. I actually did not. I gave you like, sometimes you talked about, oh, I'm thinking about this and that made a late stage change after listening to the album this again this morning. I'm going with 48. 48, 48, 48, 46, I get it in. That's okay. I'm glad I ended up, I wasn't going to pick it.

It was, I was so close to picking 408. This was on the bubble the entire time. I actually was going to pick Damo 23. I love that record so much. But 48. quickly on Dommon 23 I like it. It's one of the better songs of that kind of version of Tyler. But he's better than that by Wolf.

I think 48 is a better representation of where he was as an artist. So the reason I didn't pick Domo 23, a record that I really, really like is I agree with you. And I think to me, in a lot of ways, Wolf sometimes feels like Tyler's Eminem show, where by this time,

he starts recreating songs. He's gotten better as a producer, but he knows what a Tyler song is and what a silly song. And like Eminem a lot of times comes out with a silly pop song that can kind of like wet people's appetite for the album. And to your point, I was like, Charles,

you have such affection for this song because of when it came out. But re-listen to the album this morning just to feel like, did you miss anything? Right. And on that 48 was the record. I was like, damn, I keep the Frank, Tyler Hook is great. I think it is different from she in that I feel like this is a song

where Tyler and Frank had better chemistry. 48, 48, 48 days I get it. It's just like, I was like, oh, this is so melodic. And it tells a story of Sam basically kind of going on like a drug run. Essentially, it starts with this Nas, not as talking about the crack cocaine epidemic. Here's what I will say about the verses. I love the hook.

Tyler is grasping for something that I think is still politically outside of the scope of kind of where he is as an artist. Getting warmer on that corner. Gotta watch out for them five more foreigners. Your mother's a goner. I warned you before you supersized my fries with that dollar.

On 48. I find that it's an artist trying to figure, a black artist trying to figure out what he has to say about his blackness, what he has to say about rap. I think it's very interesting that Tyler is trying to connect this in terms of the thematic elements of the record. But there's also kind of some of his beliefs in terms of just like drug, drug dealing, what that means to a black man, what that means to a rapper. and he does not nail it and it's very, very clunky but I still find it fascinating that he's still going for it.

I have the same thoughts. I don't think it works thematically as, I mean, it's kind of like the rest of the album where it's like getting there, but he hasn't quite nailed the landing all the time. And I think the hook is great. I think it's one of his better hooks

in this entire early, you know, discography. It is the thing where he is blending his voice with someone else's, which is going to really come up on Cherrybaum, which lays the foundation for essentially his entire second half of his career. And so you see a lot of the elements of later Tyler coming together on a song like 48. It's also different in that he is rapping from Sam's perspective.

So it's a early use of like an interesting, like rather than just use a character to talk about killing women or whatever it may be to shock people, this is actually a more like he's trying to say something that's a little bit more meaningful. Yeah. Again, I agree with you. It doesn't quite land it thematically, but like, yeah, he's going for it. He's getting there. You can't blame me, motherfucker, for killing your bunnies and uncles to hustle and hunger.

All I wanted was a cheeseburger and a little chain tuck didn't realize this game. All right. So should I give you my first nomination? I'm really, I'm proud of that pick, Charles. I'm glad that you picked it over, uh, Dama 23. no offense to that song. I'm going to go, I'm going to answer.

This is a fascinating choice because I think answer is a way better version of Bastard, the title track. Okay, yeah, yeah. Way better, but I still prepare a bastard. So, like, pitch me on why you picked answer. So if Wolf is the album where things are really starting to come together in a way that,

in a way that Goblin and Bastard just could never do, I think answer to your point is an assimilation of the same themes that he's been talking about for a couple albums, abandonment, loneliness, and were those, but expressed way more maturely. You know, in a song that feels like a song, it has a very traditional structure, solid chorus, three verses, all told from different perspectives of this same theme of Tyler trying to connect with someone and that person not being there for him. So verse one is the classic, my father's not there. I'm calling my father. He doesn't pick up. Verse two is his grandmother who had passed in the making of Wolf. And he described it as his first real death in his. his life that he had to go through. And then the third one is to Salem. So that part fits the narrative of the record. And so you have just, it coalesces everything very, very cleanly in a,

very well-produced, a well-put-together song structurally makes a ton of sense that doesn't kind of meander like a lot of his early songs do. And so I just think it's like, yeah, If Wolf is the album where things are coalescing, I think answer is a perfect representative of exactly that in a single song. Oh, my answer. Hey, dad, it's me. Um, oh, I'm Tyler. I think I be your son.

Sorry, I called you the wrong name see my brains. Are you a fan of this song? No, not at all. What? Really? Not at all. It is a song that like I had to revisit when I came to this because when I was listening to Wolf, skip it. In the same way that Eminem songs about his mom always leave me wanting, Tyler

songs about his father leave me wanting, not because they're not interesting. They're fascinating. It is just part of me does not know. I think these are all Tyler's true emotions. And that's why I think it's interesting. Sometimes I'm just like in the same way that his music is taking like little leaps in maturity. Sometimes I'm just like how much of this is the myth, making a you. And this is actually, I think his father is the foundational thing that, like, he can rap about that is, that is relatable. So much of Tyler's music to me is not relatable because it is like the shock value of him. Like, this is a teenager trying to shock me. And when he's rapping about the abandonment issues of his father, I'm like, oh, this is a kid, this is a teenager

or a kid in his early 20s who actually does not know. how he feels. And that's why it's like even as a song, as songs sometimes they don't necessarily coalesce for me, the emotions do. Because with every, every single time he brings up his father on a new record, I'm just like, you can see a man developing in real time where it goes straight from, fuck this dude, I hate you, to fuck you, but also why weren't you there? Wait, so you, this is a song that you listen to regularly. Not regularly, but off of Wolf, yeah, it's like, I mean, part of it is just the production itself.

Core progression, absolutely beautiful. It's the first time we really get like a really clean guitar riff. So we had that like really nice ascending line. It's a core progression that is like very interesting harmonically. And a lot of the early Tyler stuff, the reason why I don't personally, connect with it is like it breaks my brain as someone that is listening to these chords and the way that they're being used he does a lot of the early songs he just doesn't know how to use chords you can tell the kind of chords he likes these jazz really thick rich chords but he doesn't like those hard

those are very hard and he wants to do modulations a like stevie wonder like he wants he's you know he's reaching for pretty ambitiously harmonically and a lot of times it's just like it just pains my ears some of the decisions that he makes. But on a song like Answer, he nails it. So if you break down the core progression, it's super interesting and you have that guitar line pulling everything together. I think it's like for me, one of his stronger early productions,

which is probably the reason why I personally like it. Why do you think Tyler was so like reticent to bring in someone to help him translate these ideas? Because to your point, I think from a production angle, what's both interesting but off-putting about early Tyler is the fact that like, he has a stubbornness where he wants to figure it out.

You can tell he's like, no, no, no, I want to figure out how to do this. And if it comes out, not like, I don't mean half-baked-in, like, all these ideas are half. I think even he would probably be like, if he would back, he's like, no, I wouldn't have done it that way. Like, why do you think he had such a stubborn? is where he's like, I'm not going to fix it.

Maybe you didn't think it was broken at that time. You know, maybe he is even his own perception of his music. Because if you write the chord progression and you put it to wax, I assume you like it. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, like, maybe he was getting close enough to where it was passable to his early ears. But like, I look back on some of my music I made when I was a teenager and I'm just like,

I know in the moment I thought that was really fucking cool. But if you look back and it's like, oh, it's like pretty cringy. So, but yeah, I think to wrap it up, answer epitomizes to me what Wolf is in a single song. Hell yeah. So want to go to my next nomination? Yeah, let's go. I feel like you know, you know what it's going to be. Do I?

This is the last time that I will probably utter Haji beats his name because he very quickly just does not. He's not really appearing on subsequent. Does Haji appear on any records after Wolf? On Tyler's solo records? I do not think so. So I'm going to go with Jamba, which to me is just like a level up from French. This beat is insane. Can I just say kind of a wasted pick?

Why? Well, sell me on it, but out of all the songs on Wolf, you're going Jamba, this is why I'm going with Jamba. I'm sick of hacking and coughing. I'm off and it's fucking awesome. I'm animals. Noah's walking off. And it's rapping nons and four stories in my home.

Like, what the fuck's an apartment, nigger? So I'm going with Jamba because just Jamba fucking B. Like, one of my favorites, I'm sick of hacking and cough. And I'm offing this fucking awesome animal nose arc and off him. This rapping nonsense is just great. The Adamo outro where he's like, you don't even smoke. I laugh every single time I hear it. I think the sense on this are way better than everything up to that point.

Like there's the burp, there's like a burping kind of like. weird one and then there's like, it switches and there's like this twinkling descending. And I'm like, oh, that's a Farrell move. You want to tip bitch, which is my dick for gratitude. The beat is so interesting to me because there's so many layers to it. In our previous episode, you're like gunkers, Tyler said he made it in like 15 minutes. And then you recreate it was like, yeah, I could see how we did it. Jamba is something where I'm like, I'm not saying it's the most complex beat of all time.

but you can see that I'm like, oh, he's thinking in three dimensions with his production. And it's that what I love about that beat specifically is that it's so clean. Yes. Where I think a lot of the times, I'm going to talk about it on Cherry Bomb specifically,

but a lot of the early stuff has a lot of elements that sometimes just sound like mush. Like it's not congealing right. So it just sounds like a lot. Something like Jamba represents a refinement. without losing the ambition that you're talking about in terms of it going places within the verse and then the verse itself has a couple beats or switches instrumentation-wise and then the chorus is its own thing. So it's still ambitious, but it doesn't overwhelm. It's super clean and his voice,

again, sounds great over this kind of production. I just don't know as a song if it is as strong as the others is my only criticism. Hey, with your next. nomination, you can make the claim. I think with Jamba at this point, and I think just throughout his career, I just like when Tyler's rapping. I like when Tyler's rapping with his boys.

I think Haji's fucking verse on this is incredible. I think even like the opening is just like all the internal rhyme, how fast he's rapping. I'm like, this is, and to me it's like, it's Tyler's, you can see on this song, Tyler moving from West Craven to Wes Anderson,

where it's like, I think he was getting tired of the horror core, people being like, oh, you're hardcore, this and that. And when you listen to Bass or Goblin, the beats are so, like, subterranean and so dark. And I love that. Like, he's transitioning to, like, that phase of just, like, what we know Tyler to be now, which is, like, warm and bright and everything is pastel. And on Jamba, you can see that middle road. Yeah.

Okay. You didn't quite sell me on it, but I see where you're coming from. All right. What song are you going to pick? All right. Well, shout out. This was a difficult exercise for me because there was so many to choose from. So I'm going to give just a few honorable mentions that I was getting close to picking. Shout out to Bimmer, the third part of the track 10. So I was almost going to pick that song because I know that that's Tyler's thing where it's like, I think it's the 10th song on each album. It's always it's usually double song. This one's a triple. Yeah. It's always split up in triples or split up and it's about a woman. And I've all to this day,

Bimmer is one of like my favorite Tyler songs. And I'm like, why did you have? Like this should have just been its own thing. It was its own song. I would have picked it. Yeah, yeah,

I kind of agree there. I think Rusty is really strong. Love Rusty. In the same vein as a jamba, I think. Just cipher feeling his verse is however long. It's super long. Is it better than ass milk though?

I just laugh at it. every time. Is it better than, I think so. Really? Yeah. I mean, there's, I mean, the, the useful quality of Asmec was kind of hard to beat. But as the rap, the rapping, I think both are rapping better. Shout out to Molly.

Fucking so fun. That song is so fun. No. Okay. But I'm going to land on. I-F-H-Y. I fucking hate you, but I love you. I'm bad at keeping my emotions bubble.

We're good at being perfect. We're good at being trouble. Yeah. Now you're going to have to sell me on this. Admittedly, okay, so this is, I have an interesting relationship with this song. I didn't understand this song. Yeah. Have you ever seen Tyler Live?

No. Okay. Wait, actually, that's a lie. I've seen him once, yes. Okay. What era? Early. Earlier.

I don't even know if Wolf was out. Oh, okay. This song live. fucking goes. The whole fucking crowd, arena yelling, I fucking hate you, but I love you.

It's one of those songs, it's like what we talked about last episode, where it's like maybe the record itself on the album doesn't quite do its own justice. Yeah. This is kind of like that to me. And what I like about this song,

that not only for the live aspect of it, it's like we talked about Tyler's ability to make anthems last episode, usually those anthemic songs were like to kill people burn shit fuck school the more like odd future rebellious anthems but i think what he finds on i f h y is making an anthem that actually expresses something that we all felt when we are kids going through love for the first time which is what is this thing what is this dichotomy of a feeling that i fucking hate you but i love you You can't condense that feeling anymore than those words that he chose for the hook of this song.

And I think it perfectly captures something about being 18, 19, 20 and falling in love for the first time where you're trying to understand why this person has such an effect on you, both the love and the high of it and they also have the power to bring you to your lowest lows or making you the most angry you've ever been in your life. So I think I just love that he was able to capture that in the hook, but also just in the feeling of the song itself. It's kind of reflected in the chord progression, which is also kind of totters on being beautiful and kind of distorted at the same time. So I think while it's not the song that I necessarily want to listen to all the time, I like what it represents about Tyler at this stage of his career.

I also think the full circle moment of him bringing Pharrell on this song is kind of beautiful. this guy that he idolized and now is on the same song with him the second half of the song, the song structurally is kind of a mess. But the second half of the song in a vacuum is very beautiful where the chords get a little bit more warm and rich and they have Farrell kind of just freestyle singing over it. So I don't know, did I sell you on it? No.

As someone who likes Igor, the Tyler songs I have the least amount of time for in his early career are songs like she, IFHY, not because they're bad, just because I think Tyler's so, emotionally stunted at this point in his career that

these songs is just like even back then I was just like I see what you're going for but you're not because like he he loves boys to men he loves Erica Bod too he loves Charlie Wilson and then it's like a little goblin gremlin trying to be like what if I sing about love like no no troll get back under the bridge talk about burning shit I don't know I don't want to hear this from you

like no being Charles. What? I'm going, yeah, we kind of different on our selections here. You,

I'm realizing that in this early phase of Tyler's career, what we both enjoy about him is different. Yeah. I just love like Tyler just being fucking,

just a kook and jumping around and just wrapping his ass off and just playing with his friends. It's a playfulness that like he still had to this day. But yes, it's partially the nostalgia.

a factor. Yeah, that's fair. Okay, so anything else on Wolf? You go? Nope. Are we ready to go into Cherry Bomb? Yes, do it. This episode is presented by Sierra Nevada. Life's about embracing the haze. What does that mean? Living in the moment. Seeing where the night takes you, being up for the adventure. And there's no better way to embrace it than with hazy little thing by Sierra Nevada. Hazy, citrusy, smooth. Juicy, but not sweet. Hoppy, but not bitter. America's best-selling Hazy IPA for reason. Hazy little thing. Enjoy responsibly. All right. We're back to talk about Cherry Bomb, Tyler's fourth album released on April 13th, 2015. The 13th song project features collaborations with Farrell, Connie West, Schoolboy Q, Charlie Wilson, and spawn two singles, Death Camp, and

fucking young, perfect. The album debuted at number four on the Billboard 200, selling 58,000 copies in its first week. All right, yo, break it down themes, thoughts, cherry bomb. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think we touched on a little bit earlier, but if pre-wolf, like, if post-goblin is the pinnacle of odd future as a collective, I think post-wolf is the fragmentation of odd future as a collective. Yeah. You have Earl coming out. Earl is now back and putting out his own record. Frank Ocean is post-channel orange up by this point. Sid's got the internet. And so just Tyler described that era. And importantly, Tyler goes on tour for Wolf without any odd, you know, it's not an odd future tour. It's just, it's a solo tour for

the first time. And so you have this kind of fracturing of this initial collective happening. And you have Tyler now being more ambitious than ever coming off of Wolf as someone who wants to prove himself as a producer specifically. You know, I think a lot of the choices on Cherry Bomb, I think what's conceptually interesting about Cherry Bomb is that it's lack of concept. It's not a concept record in the same way that Wolf was. And I think the concept, although there are motifs and themes I'll talk about in a second, the concept itself, I think, was the production aspect of it.

And Tyler trying to build this very diverse world. He said, specifically said, he was. wanted to prove himself as the most diverse producer out, which kind of explains sonically why there's so much going on in this record from one record to the next. There is some conceptual elements you hear like a radio show, you hear him driving at certain points, but I would say the motif that really stands out that kind of ties directly into Tyler at this point in his life is this idea of finding your wings. We have the song finding your wings, but at certain points in interludes and on lyrics of other songs, he's talking about finding your wings and flying,

which is this metaphor of finding out who you are and ascending through your own individual identity, which if you're thinking about Tyler during, I don't know if it's conscious or not, but looking back, it's like, well, okay, he's fracturing away from odd future. He is becoming more and more of an independent artist, and Cherrybaum is a departure from the Wolf trilogy. That's kind of behind him. These characters are kind of behind him. He formally kills them off on the albums, but also in the Sam's Dead music video. And it, Cherrybaum in many ways feels like a fresh start for Tyler. Even though it is just two years removed from Wolf, it feels like for me, it's always the bridge between early Tyler and late Tyler, modern Tyler. So conceptually, what is interesting to me is

the lack of concept, you know, which is new for him. Um, I'm curious. So what is your relationship? Do you remember your relationship with Cherry Bomb when it came out versus how you hear it today? Yeah. When Cherry Bomb came out, I was in New York. I remember Cherry Bomb coming out at a time where almost Tyler was bigger than ever. But this, obviously, with the sales and maybe even the critical response, it landed with a thud. But I also was just like, man, I'm happy for the swing. But I did not. I didn't really go back to Wolf or a Cherry. bomb that much. But every time I go back to it now and doing research for this and listening to it again, I was like, oh, cherry bomb is so fascinating. I think it's, you're going to kill me for saying this. Maybe once I do my deep boy on Flower Boy again, I will change.

I think this is a way more interesting album than Flower Boy, even if it's not as successful. Well, okay, I think you're saying, okay, saying interesting, like maybe, I can maybe see where you're coming from. We talked about it with that punk. Like, there's a reason why I, yeah. I like a human after all, you know, where like that is something I gravitate towards. And to me, Cherry Bomb is like, I love Death Camp because it's just like, that's just an NERD song. But I'm just like, I like Tyler's version of an NERD song.

Smuckers, incredible. There are just so many moments on this record where I'm just like, even if he's not success, it's just fascinating. And it's the last, not the last time, but it is to me, And Tyler is at as prickliest in terms of just like showing his influences so much. And I just miss. I miss the version of Tyler that was this experimental. And when I mean experimental, where it is like by Flower Boy, by Igor, everything becomes refined. Every, like, the records aren't as fat anymore.

He has more control of his instrument vocally. but also from a production angle. So that's what I mean by like, I would rather listen to a cherry bomb over a flower boy. Because I always, like I always just love a record that is messy. Yeah, I mean, it is messy by design, I would say. You know, like Tyler is pretty adamant about he loves this album.

And I think a lot of that was because of the reaction it got, it wasn't like universally lauded, but it was also not, I think it was as least critically acclaimed album to that point. But for the heads, for like Tyler of their creator music critic heads, like I think if you talk to them about Cherry Bomb,

they'll always be like, yo, Cherry Bomb was so fucking fascinating, man. It is very fascinating. Even if everything doesn't land for me personally, there are moments of absolutely brilliance where the pieces fully come together for the first time where I think the bright moments on

on Cherrybaum far outweigh the bright moments on Wolf even if I think Wolf might be the more like enjoyable record from start to finish Cherry Bomb is so fascinating in so many ways because you can never really get a grasp on it like if you try to describe what it is you can't really do it because you go from a song like Find Your Wings, gorgeous jazz inspired

almost half interlude just rich melody and harmony and then right after that you're into the title track Cherry Bomb, which is just like a fucking literal wall of distortion where you can barely hear Tyler's voice under the mix. And it's like, what are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do to this?

But it's so interesting because it's also like, there's rock elements to this, but then there is like he's going back to the source of just like very hip hop forward beats. But then to your point, like all of this like distortion and this punk rock ethos. And it just like, there are so many genres and he's not mastering any of them. Yeah. But he's not doing it in a way where it's like for a lot of artists, I think they do their like, this is the record when I'm going to be different. And it's like a rapper picking up a guitar. Like that you can't, you can't, you can't call this Tyler's rock record. It's not. Yeah, no. But you can't call it a rapping record or like you can't. You can't. To me, if you're going to be an artist that's going to pivot in this way,

I would rather your pivot be this hard to really, like, clamp down on. Yeah. And as a producer, it's the first time, I don't know if it was directly Kanye influence, but it is really the first time he's bringing in outside influence or not influence, his actual artist that he loves to contribute to these records in a way that Kanye can bring people together. He wasn't doing that so much on Wolf. Wolf is still very much in the odd future, Hajie and, you know, these kind of frank

these features, but I don't know, is there even a single odd feature feature on Cherrybomb? I don't think so. But, you know, so instead he's bringing in a singer from boys to men, Charlie Wilson, Roy Ayers. He's bringing in, you know, rock musicians. He's bringing in, you know, just an incredibly eclectic cast of characters that he's, again, I don't think it always works, but like you can see him doing orchestration for the first time and bringing in, you know, a trumpet player versus. the beginning of Find Your Wings.

And so I think easily his most ambitious record to that point. And I mean, it is inspiring that after all the success that he had with the first three records, Wolf being critically acclaimed that he's still pushing the envelope personally. And I think it is for, I mean, obviously he said he wants to be the most diverse record producer out there. And he is trying to prove himself on some level. But this is not the traditional way to prove yourself to make an album this experimental and this ambitious.

And I think I was reading a quote where he was like, I think he, this record is so important to him because I think everybody going like, no, we're not everybody, but like forced him to rethink what he understood about like song structure and writing. And every, that's what I love because there becomes a point as an artist where you become so good that it becomes very, very hard for you to. make something amateurish anymore. You just know too much. And to me, Cherrybaum is the last time we really see, not the last time, but it is where Tyler is going to be this much of an amateur in this realm. Yeah.

Yeah. I know what you mean. And I love the way that he's able to balance his thoughts on this record. Because even a more recent interview, he was saying, I love Cherry Bomb, but I also can see what it's missing. And it was missing like song structure specifically. And that's the thing when we get to Flower Boy is the thing that he studies very, very closely and that he really puts it together structurally with Flower Boy, where you can't really say that with Cherry Bomb. And the last thing I will say before we get to nominations, why going back to this record, I loved it so much, is that if you think of like the first part or third of Tyler's career, one thing that like tripped up in Idol like Eminet,

is that after a while Eminem just kept making the same record, where maybe the rapping would get better or would get worse, but conceptually he kind of stopped going for it as much. And to me, Cherrybaum is so important because the Wolf trilogy is improvements, but he's rapping about kind of the same shit. And the beats are getting better and the rhymes are getting better, but it's all coming from the same world, which is important when you're making a trilogy.

But if he made another wolf or goblin, we wouldn't be talking about Tyler. So you need a record like Cherry Bomb to almost jolt the system. So your fans on the next record are like, well, if I'm going to be along for the Tyler ride for the foreseeable future, I have to get comfortable with the fact that he's always moving. He's never comfortable. He's always changing. And that to me is the difference between Eminem is a legend. I'm not like denigrating anything he did. But I do think that there are some rappers sort of just like,

I love to rap. I love to make this type of album. And I'm going to kind of be making this album for the rest of my life. And for Tyler Cherrybaum to me as a representation of like, I got all that other shit out of my system. Every other album that every album that you're going to get from this point on, I'm going to be a different guy. Not just alias, but like sonically.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah, we're going to get to the nominations. Yeah, let's do it. All right, why don't you lead us off? All right. So I almost want to nominate these together as a pair, but I'll start with a very strong honorable mention. Okay.

I'm going to go find your wings featuring raw errors. This song, well, my problem with nominating it is it doesn't actually feel like a song. It feels more like an interlude-ish. It's stronger than. interlude but structurally it's just like i don't really know what to do with it but the opening of this song is absolutely gorgeous beautiful chords beautiful uh horn solo the way he finds the pocket when the melody comes in the way that he has roy or is playing the vibraphone beautifully over this production

beautiful beautiful track yeah and the reason why i'm getting a strong honorable mention because my first nomination is going to be the top of the top of the time of the time title track Cherry Bomb. Love Cherry Bomb. Which I can only view these two as a pair because of the contrast that I talked about just a second ago, where you go from one of the most beautiful things he has ever done, arguably the most beautiful thing he has ever written to that point in his career, to one of the most abstract, absolutely just sounds like a fucking brick wall where,

I don't know how I even asked producer Kevin because he's a wizard. with audio engineering, like how he creates this wall of distortion, which is different than just a distortion on a single instrument. Kevin was saying that he thinks he like essentially routed the entire mix through it through its own distortion bus, which would essentially distort the entire track. And that's why it feels like a wall you can punch through or something, you know? And I just love like if you're going to experiment quote unquote,

like this is the kind of shit I want to hear because I don't can you even really think of a song that sounds sonically like this you can hear elements of things but just like the overall complete production just sounds like nothing I've ever really heard before I feel like around this time and just you correct me if I'm wrong like death grips was also around this

like they came a little bit earlier but they were kind of experimenting with his type of like almost more aggressive distortion in your face. Are you a death grips fan? No. No. I tried.

I tried. You are, though. I'm not a death grips fan. What is that? Sacramento. I'm just going to say a gem of Sacramento. Death grips. Yeah. Are you a fan of death grips?

Yeah. Not like a huge stand, but I like, I like that. I see, I see the singer riding his bike all the time. For real? Yeah, yeah. You want to know who I, who I think I saw in Pasadena? Who? Which McCallie, Tame Apollah.

Oh, really? Kevin Parker? Yeah. He definitely does not live in Pasadena. Why wouldn't he live in Pasadena? Huh? I mean, if he does, I don't know, maybe we should bleep it out. No, because here's a thing.

I do this with the white musicians all the time where I'm just like, is that so on and so? And I'm like, Charles, that's just a white man. I'm looking at a picture of him now. They're Sarah, our engineer over here. Do you think that there are just a lot of white dudes in Pasadena that look like that? I would say like maybe 50 to 60% of the people I've seen in Pasadena like that, yeah. 50 to 60% of the people, Pasadena. The entire population looks like Tamimbaugh.

My bad. Let's back to the title track. I'm so glad you picked this. Cherry Bomb is fucking fantastic. Okay. See, I thought you would just come in like shit on this pick. Why do you think I like Cherry Bomb? It's because of stuff like the tiger.

You pick fucking Jamba. I, all right. I will say it once again. I like when Tyler's fucking rapping. When you, because here's the thing, I was about to get,

I'm like, if this boy picks fine your wings, I'm gonna be pissed the fuck off. I'm gonna be pissed the fuck off. No, get that fucking bullshit out of here. But Cherry bomb, come on.

Banger. Okay, this brings up a good question about this album in general. What do you think? So this song is the most extreme version of it, but it's, also on like Buffalo,

he intentionally mixed his voice lower than usual. This one is obviously like the most extreme version of it, but what do you think that has a lot to do with the perception of the album, how it was received? Just that choice alone, which is because he wanted to show off the production more. So he made his voice secondary, which obviously a lot of people,

fans of music, just kind of listen for the voice. Do you think that was detrimental to the album? I don't think it helped, but actually going back, what I realized it was, one of my honorable mentions is going to be Death Camp, a song that, like, I have a lot of affection for. But when I press play on this album back then, I was like, what the fuck is this nonsense? Because it wrongfoot you almost, where I'm a fan of NERD. but we've never really heard Tyler on that type of a rock forward record. And if you watch the Cherry Bomb documentary, I'm pretty sure that they had to like replay it close to the release like a couple days before because they couldn't get the sample cleared.

I think that's a right like hit where he is in the mix and almost him letting the production be the primary thing is definitely a reason I think a lot of like, maybe not fair weather, but Normie fans are kind of like whatever. But to me, a song like Death Camp and Cherry Bomb are perfect examples of you could throw this album in the bin as being experimental if you're not, if you're not like a music nerd, if you're not just kind of just like, if you don't know what Tyler's trying to do on Cherry Bomb or like a death camp, it sounds like a failure. And I don't mean that because they're bad songs. It's because. is what you had come to understand about this artist is not the thing that's in the forefront. It's the same thing when people press play it on Yeezus just a few years earlier.

And they hear this distorted synth forever. And they're like, what is what the fuck is this? But the thing that Connie did on Yeezus that Tyler does not do on Cherry Bomb is that like, Kanye, because he was a producer first and foremost, and he was trying his best. to get on as a rapper, Kanye has always been very, very good at song structure. His song structures from, you know, college dropout on, he's very, very good at verse, hook, bridge, this, that, where if Cherry Bomb had more traditional song structure, I do think it would be easier for people. Like, if Find Your Wings was more of a traditional song, I think people would be like,

oh my gosh, this is one of Tyler's best songs ever. but because it has almost that long interlude and then it gets to the song, people do what I do. I'm like, all right, Scareb. Like it, Charles. All right.

Love Cherry Bob. I love that you love Cherry Bob, but where are you going with your first nomination? All right, so, gonna go with Buffalo. Goodness gracious. I can't wait to see the look

on your niggas faces. That boy T. Not surprise, thoughts is in shaking and fucking right. Okay, another Normie pick. Sick. why are we attacking? Why are we attacking me?

Why is it fuck Charles? Okay? All right. This is why I'm going to pick Buffalo. Well, both of my picks are going to be super fucking Normie Pils. This to me is like a spiritual successor to Yonkers in a lot of ways. Obviously with the title, Buffalo.

To me, Tyler is like showing like how big his nuts are. Because I'm like, for him to use the same sample, the Bunny Sigler sample from numbers on the board, two years like I think it was less than two years later is I was like oh I was like it's like it's not as good as numbers on the word at all but it is speaking to what to me Tyler would go on to do really really well on the on the on the DJ drama mixtape on that which is just like wrapping his ass off instead of Bruno Mars B.OB and Haley Williams being in his sights now it's about um Don't do, boys walkins. Now, do I think that him replacing the F slur with book is a great choice?

No, it's very late. But when we get to the line, Peter Parker, pick up pack a pack of peppers when the plot thick is Tyler, the creator, fuck it kill you with a popsicle. Just come on. Like, it's just like once again, I love what Tyler is rapping. The things that I will come to love about Tyler as we continue this season will change in terms of just like his sense of melody gets so much better. And that's when I get reintroduced to him. And I'm like, oh, you are a child of Pharrell. Yeah.

Finally, you've arrived. But I picked this song because I was just like, because originally I was going to pick death camp. But the reason I can't pick death camp is because I'm going to. to be honest, as someone who likes NERD quite a bit, they suffer from the same thing that early Tyler suffers from, which is just like,

people who like rock but necessarily can't play the instrument. So it's just like, it sounds like a karaoke of fucking rock music. And I think Death Camp in a lot of ways can sound like rock music karaoke, where it's like Buffalo is just like, I'm like, all right, hell yeah. This fucking beat is sick. Tyler's fucking

rapping his ass off. Come on. But they're not to like. it's fine i like the song don't get me wrong but you almost pick find your wings don't fucking find your wings is beautiful all right let me go with my second pick i'm gonna go well i mean it's kind of a version of find your wings i'm going fucking young we're just we're doing let's do it all right let's go let's go you got the floor because i will say i was there dog. Okay, I was not there. So actually, I'm interested in that. Tell me about that. Or do you want me to make the case first? How about we like lay the groundwork? Whereas like I think fucking young is a beautiful song. But even at in the moment, I think people are like, hey, hey, Tyler. Hey, come on. This is about him. I think he was probably like 24, maybe 23 when he recorded it. People, yeah, people did the math. It seems to be about Tyler. being 23, whatever the feelings were for this girl being 17 at the time.

And even at that point, I was like, hey, yo, Tyler, enough is enough, my nigga. God damn, no, no, no. It's right on the edge, but the song is. No, the song. The song is about not pursuing it. Yes. It's a weird subject for a song. It's, but the song is about not pursuing it.

All right. I'll clear out for a minute. I think the reason why people have had a problem with Tyler, especially early in his career, is, you know, is just like, all right, Tyler, we get it. You like blonde little white boys. We get it. Hey, Tyler, you like fucking 17 year olds. Fucking weird, bro. I don't know what to say. There was this arrested development thing where it's like, there's that famous saying that you stop growing at the age where you get famous. And as someone who had just like, I had graduated. college. I was in New York. I remember listening to this. My friends was like, man, get this dig out of here. And that's why I think like Cherrybaum. So many people were like, yo, fuck this record. Because it also, I'm like, dog, you brought in Uncle Charlie for this man. Come on. Hey, shout on Charlie Wilson. He says like, they went on to make beautiful music. And that's the thing that I think is so frustrating. The song is tight. Like, it's so good. It's so fucking good.

Like, all right, with that being, like, here's the thing. The song is tight. Tyler was being weird and sometimes Tyler can be a little weird. Yeah. I had to get off my chest. No, that's, I think that's perfectly fair. There's definitely a part of me that wishes that the song was about something else because I think it could have been like, this could, this song feels like it could have been huge to me. But I think there's just a cap on it because of the subject matter.

Because like, for I think me personally more than any other song up until this point of his career, this is fully formed Tyler. like this is him at his most ambitious textually and you know in terms of instrumentation there's all kinds of instrumentation on this guitars synths um you know backing like almost like duop style harmonies and it's like but it sounds so clean the production sounds so polished and he's he just wasn't able to do that early on he got it in moments but this is the entire song i'm i'm talking specific about fucking young, not so much perfect. And then the way,

this is, I think this is like a light bulb moment for him because his voice, I think it's pitched up a little bit. Then backed with Charlie Wilson, a very strong singer is like, sounds like magic, you know,

it has this like double hook thing where the pre-chorus sounds like the first hook, but then it goes into the actual hook and somehow the actual hook is better than the first hook. And it's just like, to me, like it represents everything Tyler was going for, early on, finally coming together for a full three, four minutes, you know.

Even like the rapping verse, the verse, I think it's the third verse at the end, whereas voice is pitched up, like that could be from Igor. That sounded quality-wise, the same quality of it, Igor. Where the chorus, of the song sounds quality-wise, that could easily put that on a flower boy. And you can't really say that about a lot of his early stuff. You know,

you put songs off of Wolf or even songs off some of a cherry bomb on those other later records, they'd stick out. But this is to me, like fully formed Tyler finally coming together. And the fact that he is doing this at 23 years old is pretty fucking incredible, you know,

putting all this together. Because it is very, ambitious. It's really hard to make all the, just the amount of instruments on this record sound good together, not just textually and as like stacked together, but the parts complementing each other where again, like a lot of the times where he had multiple parts, multiple scents, the parts themselves just didn't mesh together correctly. So just kind of wash each other out. But one of the reasons why this song sounds so perfectly polished is every part is complimentary and it isn't competing with each other. And yeah, I don't know.

I think despite the subject matter, I just, it sounds so fucking so good. I mean, even if you take like the subject matter into account, what I think is so interesting about Tyler at this point is, I know I said in the previous episode that a lot of the, the early, odd future music, or at least Tyler specific in the sexual politics of it all, yeah, is very insully, right? And you get to this point on Cherrybaum where Tyler makes an interesting choice where you go from a rapper who is talking about sex and romance from a place of shock or a place of alienation or a place of like a very teenage emotion where it's like, ew, sex, love, romance, that's below me. So for him to get what I, the reason I like this pick is like for him to get to a moment where

he's starting to contend with feelings like love and desire in this way gives him the springboard for the rest of his career. Yeah. Where he realizes, which I think the best artist do, you're not above love. You're not above heartbreak. you're not above desire. These are human emotions. And to contend with them is sometimes how the best art gets made. And that's why, yeah, if you want to, like, Cherry Bomb to me is such an important record because it is songs like this where like, okay, he unlocked something where to me, the knock

against Tyler early on is I'm like, you have a problem with being sincere. You almost only can think about sincere. Like, every time you're sincere, it has to end in a joke. Exactly. You see that in the interviews too. Yes. It's like he gets there and then he just like, ah, psyched. You know what I'm saying? And he calls you like the F slur. And I was just like, damn, damn. And to me, I'm glad that you picked this. I couldn't pick this just because I'm just like, sometimes with Tyler, I'm like, it's so difficult. That if I'm going to be real, sometimes I'm like, I don't know if it's as much. Odd Future broke up because, oh,

there was this and there was that or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I could see how Tyler can be a polarizing figure to be around because it's like, can you match being Frank Ocean? I'm just chilling there. Are you like, hey, yo, Tyler, bro. Can you chill out? Why are you bringing a 17 year old around? God damn.

The song's about not bringing her around, Charles. A. All I know. I can't believe I'm defending this. Yeah, exactly. I don't know how many 17-year-olds. I was hanging out with when I was 23. Well, he wasn't hanging out with her.

That's the point. Anyways, okay. All right, time for my nomination. Yeah, let's do it. You're going to call me a Normie again. Oh, God, smuckers. Fuck a thought that he lost it. Like I'm bedded at an arch ship and exhausted.

I've been working while your syllable smoke like broken. I broke and exhausted. You really like this song? I wanted to bring it up. because if we were talking about full circle moments again. Okay. I thought it would be an interesting song to bring into this exercise. A,

because the problem of cherry bomb for as much as I love this album, I don't know how many of these songs are making it that far in the Royal Rumble. You got to play. Smuckers is by far the most popular off this or fucking young. Like either or. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe. Yeah.

Yeah, I think those are the two bigger ones. When this came out, I did not enjoy it. Listening back to it for this, fell in love. And it's so interesting because you find Kanye at Lil Wayne at an interesting moment in their career where they're on the decline. And Tyler is on the Ascent. And you can tell how proud he is of this beat. He wants to impress everyone. There's a story of Kanye being like, yo, after I.

I heard Wayne and Tyler's verse I had to go back in. And A, the thing I love about this song is all these motherfuckers are trying to stay on top of the beat. Like, all of them are trying their best. Connie's verse kind of. I think Connie has the best verse on this easily. Even if I think Tyler, because he's young, is the best that kind of like contending with the beat. And it's a moment going back where I was like in the same way that you were talking about like Tyler seeing. his music come to like,

bringing in strings, bringing in instruments, and like being in Hamz Zimmer Studio, working with Charlie Wilson, this being a record where he's like, okay, I'm like forecasting. I'm getting the confidence.

I'm bringing in other people to help me sing, either sing these songs, play on these songs. To me, Smuckers, yes, it is the Normie pick,

but I picked it because I'm like, this is also a confidence boost for him. A confidence boost where it's like, I can be on a, song with two of my idols and not get washed and not get killed. I think Lil Wayne's verse really good on this as well. Like everybody like it's not peak Kanye. It is not peak Wayne. Yeah. But it's just dog. Like Wayne says my trigger finger wise, but my nine dumb middle finger blind so it's fuck A. N. Y one.

son a hundred ways to die son i'm staring at a tramp what how do you come up with rhyming my nine dumb with then spelling out a n y one why like good that's like insane to me in what's is do you have there's one he has about pepperoni on it that i oh i don't have a pulled up but yeah no sure that's a pepperoni lot he has this is really fucking good like smuckers is is to me is so like foundational to the tyler story because it it's the moment where where he goes from looking up to his idols to standing with them and he's doing it at the age of 23, 24. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. By the way, little way it also says I'm staring at a tramp on lean, make my eye jump. Tramp on leave.

I mean, it's like borderline cordy, but come on. This is what I will say. Lil Wayne does well through like when he's, I say he would probably lose it around like no ceilings in mixtape. And every artist from Drake to Big Sean would learn the wrong lessons. When Wayne is rapping a corny punchline, it's funny because it's Wayne and he's smoking a bunch of weed and it's coming off the top of the head. And it's like, yeah, that's Wayne. When Big Sean does it, you're like, dog, you're not Wayne though, you know?

I stick my roly in her mouth, let the time come. It's so good. It's so good. We was talking about it. You might have to do a Wayne season. Yeah, that's the most ambitious one yet. Well, we cannot. You, okay, I'm on, I'm on the, sometimes I like Connie's verse.

Sometimes I'm just like, oh, he's struggling. At the end, he's struggling. No, he's struggling, but this is why like, like, like no parties in L.A. Like, there is a moment where it's like, Kanye's, what would you say Kanye's rapping like falls off? Not falls off a cliff, but you can noticeably, like, he's like, he cannot stay on beat for his life. I would say it's about Pablo-ish. Pablo is like

It's like on the fence sometimes. Pablo is the last album where it's like the rapping is good and serviceable even when it's bad and then everything that comes after. Yeah. I don't know if you get in this. And this to me is around that era where I'm like, all right, Kanye,

we could have done another take. But also, to be fair, what Kanye recorded his new verse, a couple days before the album was turned in. I think I read where they actually finished the beat like four hours before the album had to be turned in. And because I think like Kanye redos his, redos his verse after hearing Wayne and Tyler. And then he goes back into the studio and is adding a bunch of stuff on like under.

Exactly. Under Kanye specifically. Yeah. I've always been mixed on this song. Sometimes I'm like, oh, this is pretty good. Sometimes I'm just like, oh, this is kind of a mess. I know some people, I know people love that. I'm probably in minority here, but I've always been on the fence of.

this. So what what other songs could I have picked in place of smuckers if we're being real? For being real, let me pull up the track list real quick. Because I don't think I think I like Death Camp better. I don't think. I think Death Camp's a strong contender. I mean, I like Okaga, the last track. Okay. Um, you want to know what I wouldn't have. I do like, uh, what you'll call it, both school boy Q tracks. Yeah. I love, but it's, it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah, the brown stains is pretty sick. It's a great song, but I don't, I couldn't walk in here and be like the brown stains of Darkies Latifah. I'm just like, no, be serious. Keep to O's. Are you a fan of that song?

This is also going to be a controversial thing if we're talking about the artist that like, Tyler has actual chemistry with Charlie Wilson, which is insane. Charlie Wilson has one of the most beautiful voices of all time and then their style of the creator who has one of the most interesting voices different. Chemistry. Hajee beats in him. Chemistry. I don't know

Tyler really has chemistry with Farrell. Despite him being his idol, there's something about like any single time they partner together. I'm like, these are not bad songs,

but they're not transcendent songs. Yeah. I can see you making that point. I mean, they, they, Frel on Igor is pretty good.

They have some moments. Definitely not the early work. I think, I think, Keep to O's might be my least favorite song in the project. But yeah, they're not a ton to choose from. I don't know, Justin, did you, any songs that we didn't pick Jump Out from Cherry Bomb?

I don't know. You're a fan of this record? Not as much as Wolf. I think Wolf, there were a bunch. Yeah. I mean, Two-seaters, kind of my song off this record. Two-seaters good. I like two-seaters.

I also like the closing track. Yeah, the Kog is beautiful. Damn, now that we're talking about Wolf again, and I kind of want to be like, dog, just let me nominate, uh, Beamer. Like, yeah. You're going retroactively? Beamer, I think is, that's one for the, the fans might get on you from skipping that one. No, no, we didn't skip it.

We said we loved it, but it's like, we would have to nominate the whole song. And I'm just like, I think we can extract it out. Yeah. Right. Yeah, you'd have to do that. I mean, like, Wolf, there's just like a lot more debate. Like, you guys didn't even talk about loan, which I think is a fantastic song. Colossus, which is his version of Stan, but also like really good storytelling.

It's so funny because it's like, I can't tell how much Tyler is being serious. Because at that moment, I'm like, dog, you just released Yonkers and you're already like, fuck this song. Fuck these fans. You guys are bandwagon. I'm like, dog, it ain't been that law. He's already like, fuck this. I also really like pigs on Wolf. but you know if we're if we're getting ahead of ourselves i don't i don't see a coach's challenge

coming here either all right you know what i already teased it fuck it you know what i'm taking i'm taking beamer i don't give a fuck i'm not going to argue with that i think it's better than jamba i will just say it's like i already have french with haji represented and i'm just like just so the odd future, because I can't tell if the odd future fans are going to be mad at me this season or be like, hey, yo, he's been there since the beginning. But like, even when I, because I think Beamer guy, it was on the Damo 23 music video. Right. And then it's, and I remember waiting. I was waiting for Wolf. I'm like, I was waiting for Wolf. I'm like, I can't wait for this song. And then I'm like, this motherfucker made it track 10 and there's two other songs on this shit,

right. So I'm going with Beam and, like, awful wolf. All right. I like, I like, I like, the twist. Do I want to go answer or? So can I say this? Are you doubling up too much with doing the title track bastard and answer? Do either of those cancel each other out? I mean, not to me. It's either that or I, I, F-H-Y. I personally like answer better. Do you think the fans would kill us if we didn't put i f h y yeah maybe i think we're past the i mean we've already made some pretty controversial picks i'd feel like so um see my heart's saying answer the populist pick is i f h yv why go with your heart go with your heart yeah fuck it's our show it's going i'm going to answer okay fuck yes for production alone just i mean i didn't do my breakdown but i could have it's it's fucking

beautiful so i'm going to answer i feel good with that all right then what are you doing off Cherry Bomb. I mean, the obvious choice is fucking young. I love Cherry Bomb, though, the title track, I fucking love that song.

I think, so here's the thing. As someone who also loves Cherry Bomb, smuckers, I just wanted to kind of talk about that as a moment because it was a bit,

I remember when Cherry Bomb dropped, it was a big moment that he got Kanye and Lil Wayne. I'm not going to choose smuckers because he's like, it's more about, it's more of a coronation

than it is something that represents Tyler. So I am left with Buffalo, which is just like I just love, like I love Tyler rapping over that beat. But I would pick Cherry Bomb because I love Cherry Bomb. Like if you did not nominate it, I probably would have.

And that opens you up to have him fucking young. But do you think people will kill us if we don't pick Smuckers? I don't know. I prefer buffalo over smuckers so I'm fine with the choice but I think

I don't know Cherry Bomb just might be Can Cherry Bomb really get far? I feel like Can fucking Young get far? I feel like it could No no no no no it was a different time

and here's the thing he was Tyler at that point he was too rich and successful so it's like hey yeah you could be a weirdo in public but there's no way fucking young he's getting far Justin you have

Are you fan of Cherry Bomb, the song? I respect it. Okay. Do you think that fucking young will get far in the Royal Rumble? No, I don't see any of these songs getting that far on the Royal Rump. The Cherry Bomb song specifically. I love fucking, I'm going fucking young. That's not just the populace pick.

It's a beautiful song. A little bit morally ambiguous, but you know what? And then you know what? Nah, fuck it. I'm going with Buffalo. I'm going with my shit. I'm going with my heart.

Yeah. Tyler's rapping. Tyler's rapping. This is what I love. All right. I'm changing my mind. I'm going cherry bob, actually.

My heart is saying cherry bob, dude. Then why didn't you go with me? Well, because I was like, but then when I was thinking about answer and fucking young, I don't know,

that's getting too predictable in my, we got, let's honor. In the same way we put face to face off of Discover. for Daft Punk. Let's go Cherry Bomb. So right now.

So far my list, I have French, Yonkers, Bimmer, and Buffalo. I got bastard title track. She. We're going Cherry Bomb. Title track. Answer. I will say on your list, if we were just reading it out at the end of the season, you having, she and fucking yuck on it.

Like, oh, are you all right? Your wife would have been like, Cole, what have you been listening? I feel like good about that list. But next episode, we're going Flower Boy. We're going singular. We're going singular. Not from here on out. There's pretty much, though, that guys could kind of guess the ones that we're going to pair.

But, like, Flower Boy gets its own clear out. And this is where things get really good. I'm really excited to talk Flower Boy, especially knowing that you haven't actually listened to it for a while. I'm very interested. I don't think I've listened to Flower Boy since the year it dropped. Shut up. Yeah.

It's not my favorite, Tyler. Well, maybe that'll change. Igor, to me, Igor is probably the Zeman. Like, that's the record. I'm waiting for. Your feelings might change now. You're changed, man.

You're meditating now. I am meditating. Flower boy might, you know, hit you a little bit different these days. Justin, you say, you said no coach's challenge. No coaches challenge coming on this one. All right. I think that's respectable.

All right. Until next time, thank you to everyone. Thank you to Jamie. Thank you to Justin. Thank you to Kevin. Thank you to bureaucratic for the theme music. And thank you, Charles. All right.

Yo, we are back. Cultural Exchange, our favorite moment from every episode. Okay, I gave you a Miyazaki documentary about the making of the wind rises. And you gave me one of your songs from your band. What's the title track?

Not title track. What's the track? Red Top Road, Deadbolt Rodeo. It's actually, really weird for me to be saying this on a podcast. Like the music I made when I was like 19. Honest, honest opinion.

You don't have to. Good. Like way better than I thought it was going to be. Like I was just like, damn, I'm going to have to get on this podcast. Be like, dog,

that shit was wet. No, I was actually like, that's not bad. When I was in my white boy indie era, this would have been part of the mix. This would have been. Like,

I was just like, oh shit. Wait, so what instrument were you playing? The guitar and the piano in the intro too. Give the people a little bit. Now I'm interviewing you. During the conception of this song and the music,

what was your role? Were you contributing to lyrics or were you just contributing to guitar, piano, the production, the composition? What was your role in this? Yeah, usually one person in the band would come up with like the, you know, the foundational part of the track, usually a guitar part. So this particular song I wrote, I think, all the guitar, main guitar parts of the song.

So the foundation of this song was the guitar parts that I wrote. And, yeah, singer had really great lyrics. He's a poet. He was still as a poet. He went to school for poetry. So he always kind of a really great abstract kind of lyrics. I mean, that song specifically, like the bass and drums on that song, really fucking good. like the bass player Jaden is like virtuous of jazz bass player that was doing us a courtesy by playing

this rock band with us. But yeah, that's, I remember writing that song on a little eight track cassette tape recorder. Damn. That's how old it was. Cole is old. We keep making fun of Justin for being old, but no, cold is fucking old. Yeah, I'm getting old. No, I was like, I'm not like being like, just like nice.

I was like, oh, this is like a song. And it's like, good. Like 19, I was just like, oh, okay. When I look back and like understanding it how young I was, because at the time, you don't think you're young, but like 19 to be writing stuff like that, I'm, you know, proud of it. What were your, what were your influences when y'all were in the band where you were like, these are the artists that we be like talking about?

At the drive in Mars Volta and Radiohead, basically. Basically it was right when I discovered Radiohead. And we were huge fans of At the Drive in. Mars Volta just came out, I think right when that record we came up with that song, we were supposed to play with Mars Volta on their first tour. So this band was signed to a little indie label,

so we had some credibility. And when Mars Volta came to Sacramento, we were supposed to open for them. So we show up at the venue. These guys are fucking idols. This is literally like Tyler, like opening Pharrell. And we show up and we don't see Mars Volta there. we're and we're like we asked the bartender like where is everyone and i guess they got in a fight

with the bartender who they claimed said something racist to them and then they just fucking left and they didn't play the show so we ended up playing we gave everyone their money back and played a free show for everyone that god damn was everybody in the crowd be like hey thank you for playing a free show where's fucking maras volta we not everyone stuck around let's just say that you know but yo guys Listen to the track. I was very impressed. I was like, hell yeah. I got to say, so for yours, so I'm trying to get it into anime, I got to tell you, man, this was the perfect choice. Really? Yeah. This is like right up. This is like, you know me by now. So this is like exactly what I needed to get to understand the vision, to understand who's putting their hands out to see them drawing every fucking frame to have to get a better understanding of him as a director, as a director, as.

this like enigmatic figure who is like it's it's really interesting how they even structured the DVD or the documentary because they don't really tell you like the complicated stuff about him where it's like he's really hard to work for. Yes. Until like halfway through. And so you get this like a little more romantic portrait of him in the beginning where you're really captivated by his like kind of mysterious demeanor. And then you kind of, the layers keep like kind of peeling back and peeling back.

he's like he's not the greatest father he's very opinionated like you just like this is historically and I think that's the funny thing about Miyazaki is you see like the smiling like Santa face and you're like oh this is the Walt Disney of Japan you're just like then you watch the documentary like happen you're like oh how does someone so complicated and like with a complicated past his father and all this stuff make movies that are so I know right and just I'm also hearing like they don't even understand their film or you know all the way they're like they love leaving things ambiguous like yes it was it's like it was like too chay to this choice it might be like among your best cultural exchanges because like

this was i'm like i'm ready for what you're going to now assign me for my first anime which will be next episode unless you have one i'll i'll double up but did you you know i'm like i'm thinking now now i'm gonna let me go back in the lab because now i'm just like because i picked that because I think we like we share a similar mind where it's like seeing any create how any creative makes something makes me fall in love with even if I'm not a fan of the art form the process of it of just being like oh there is something that is very like it's why I love like lynch where it's like there is something so unknowable where it's like sometimes I don't even think that he necessarily knows everything that's in his movie but he knows it's in there for a reason and I'm

like, oh, I like that, like Miyazaki to me is also that type of person. Yeah. He's like, he's not always intellectualizing why something needs to be some way, but there is that consciousness. It's here for a reason. Yeah. Okay. So my turn to assign you something.

So I'm going to continue if for anyone that listened to the last season of last long standing, it was like when you, I think someone went to the bathroom or something. Yes. And then we got to talk. We left it in the episode, but like we got to talking about we ended up line landing on to Dow Dijing somewhere. I don't know how we got there. But I was like, have you ever read the Dow Dijing? It wasn't a formal like assignment. But you're meditating now. Yes. You're getting in more a little bit more into this. I'm becoming way more spiritual. I'm 33 now and I'm like,

finally my mind is open to the world and possibilities. You want to know how I know the universe is telling me that this is the right path. I'm snow white out here. There's hummingbirds on my path. I've seen two hummingbird like like this just coming like buzzing around me and I'm like okay I can sense so the Tao Te Ching like come on I'm being like Dow Dejing I used to read Dowdeging once a year I need to steep I needed to continue doing that but when I've discovered it when I was I guess what I probably was like 20 I read it once a year for the longest time wait can you get I'm going to read it with you so I'll come prepared to talk about it can you give the audience just a little bit of just like what

it is and then like why it was kind of so profound. It's foundational text of Taoism. We went about Loud-Zu. It is it's structured. It's a very easy quote-unquote to read because like it's just a series of I guess you would call them poems. So what's on the page is very short, but it's something you can think about. The one quote-unquote poem is something you can just think about forever. So it's something you could take your time with. You can read one little poem a week and like just contemplate that or you can read the entire thing in one sitting and just kind of let the the kind of overawing philosophy wash over you but it's very much about you know it's like what we talk about with music honestly you know trying to get more in touch

with the essence of things rather than the physical manifestations of them and try and then that's why meditation is so important because that's a practice in which you can kind of it's like as I'm practicing transcendental meditation. I think they call it like, or Lynch was talking about kind of like the unified field. Yeah. Of just like in physics and in just the world, just like we all kind of come from. Yeah. A very similar like place.

So I'm very excited because it's just such a more peaceful way to think of the world of just like, yeah, getting deep into your consciousness and realizing we're one of a whole. Beautiful. Yeah. All right. I'm so excited. I'm going to read it with you. Justin, if you want to read it. Justin definitely needs to read it.

You definitely need to pick it up, Justin. All right. All right. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. We're all meditating. The last song Standing Boys are meditating. Getting into Taoism.

This is incredible. All right. Hell yeah.