DJ Akademiks Live Streams - Episode 246: Fat Trel on Growing up in DC, Signing to MMG, Beef, Street Wars + Going to Jail.

Episode Date: October 20, 2024

Fat Trel is our guest today.

Welcome to another episode of Off the Record podcast. Check this out, people. This has been a long time in the making, all right? A guy who have covered for, I feel like many eons on YouTube. A guy who, you know, they always say don't judge the book by his cover, but God damn it, I judge this guy about the cover. You know what I mean? There was something about him.

If you guys know my history going all the way back to the Warren Shirek when I was covering some of the places with the biggest demons and the biggest problematic people from covering D.C. from covering Chicago, from covering, I mean, even now, Jacksonville, there's a couple of guys. These has always stood out. This guy is one of those people. And I remember, and I wonder if he's going to be mad at me.

So I'm saying this now. It's my disclaimer before he gets on my ass. I remember I said, this nigga looked like he, because everything, he looked like whatever they said about him is true. If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, man. We have Fat Trell in the building. My boy, my guy.

First time we ever met, man. First time we ever linked in person, man. How long? What's the, what's the first time? Spirits in the room. Hey, you brought him. Hey, you brought him. Hey, me.

Spirits in the room. You brought. Hey, let me ask you a question. When's the first time you ever, like, I came on your radar? Um, I believe, honestly, is when, um, you know, the Migos had got in. Well, no, you came on my radar. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, it was definitely the war in Chirac.

It was definitely the war in Shirek. You know, I used to spend a lot of time in Chicago with Sosa. Recy, Capo, long-lared cap, long-lil their blood money. I used to spend a lot of time in Chicago with them. And believe it or not, we literally sit around the house, smoke dope. We was drinking lean back then. It wasn't liquor. They drink lean now, too?

Huh? I think they drink lean now too? I think the prices went up there. No, no, no. A lot of us, we didn't got off that lean shit for real. You know, a lot of us drink looking now. You know, we put the lean for hire. Oh, that's good.

Yeah, but believe it or not, we used to sit around and we watch you talk about all of us. Really? Yeah. Yo, I was so shocked, and I'm still shocked to this day. Because when I stopped doing the Warren Shirek, I remember Sosa hit me up. And, like, he said the funniest thing, he said, why your pussy ass stop doing that? And I was just like, yo, you don't see. They're trying to say I'm responsible for everything.

And he's like, man, that shit was, he said, stop being a goofy. That shit was good as a. And I was like, wait, I would think that he and the people who I would cover, because I remember, and by the way, he just told me before we got on here, I remember I was having these colorful descriptions to try to capture people attention. So I had nicknames to people. I remember I said when covering you, I'm like, yo, this guy looks like a mix between, what I said, I can't remember.

Chewbacca and Preches. Oh, my God. A demonic. A demonic Chewbacca mixed with a little bit of precious. My whole city cried laughing when you said that. And honestly, when I was doing them videos, I was thinking, yo, it's people like me watching them. The guys who I'm talking about, they're never going to see this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it kind of blows my mind even now. I'm like, yo, oh, shit, y'all were watching it like. No, because it was garnering so much attention and so much, like people was putting it in. I face, oh, you got to go see what this dude is saying about, y'all. He's hilarious. But at the same time, it's a lot of things happen in a lot of positive ways. A lot of things happen in a lot of negative ways, too, for sure. Hey, okay, so I'm so happy to get you here.

We have to get the official story, right? Because when I was doing my coverage, especially for a lot of these inner city communities, right? I was going off a lot of perception. like even with you. Like, I'm going to be honest with you. When I looked at you, I just seen a killer. It was your demeanor, your look, it was your eyes. It was just something just empty there.

I was just like, yo, this is a guy that if it was 10 o'clock streetlights is on and I'm walking down the street to go home and I see this guy. I'm either crossing the street or I'm turning back. You get what I'm saying? Absolutely. So let's start really early. Okay. Just tell me what it was like growing up.

Well, I grew up in Washington, D.C. In the Northeast section of Washington, D.C. I think I saw my first dead body second grade. Really? Yeah, one of the dudes, a Jamaican dude, sold a lot of weed in the community. But he also helped a single mom. out groceries walk your groceries to the building um get the kids dollars when the ice cream

truck came small shit like that um they killed them one morning and one morning my mother got us up to walkers to school and they had stripped him as naked he was laid out on the um on the garbage bags outside the dumpster and that was my first dead body i seen he had a bunch of bullet holes in him he was as naked no socks no shoes no clothes at all how'd you run into him um he was laid out on it so you know we got to walk past the garbage can to leave out our neighborhood to walk to school. So they left them on top of the trash bags outside of the, instead of throwing them in the

garbage can, they just threw them outside of the garbage can, outside of the dumpster in the trash bags. And I remember my mother was taken aback by that because my mother ain't grow up in the city. Excuse me. My mother grew up in the South. So when she's seen her, I imagine that was her first dead body she's singing too. She was like, yo, they just

leave your niggas dead out on the street like this. and, you know, we've seen him. She still had the walk us to school, and she was taking it back, too, because he was a good dude in the community. Like I told you, he helped us out, gave us dollars when the ice cream truck came, helped with groceries,

book bags, little shit like that. He probably was fucking a lot of little bitches in the neighborhood, too. You know what I'm saying? Because he had that paper. But they killed him, so that was just a testament to how I grew up. I saw my first dead body, second grade. I saw an open-air drug market of cocaine and crack being sold,

PCP marijuana, Excerty pills being sold outside of my building 24 hours a day. I never seen too many of my neighborhood. I never seen too many of them sleep. They'll hustle 24 hours a day.

Dice games and, of course, shootouts, murders. By the way, and I feel like this is almost a backhanded compliment, but I probably had a fucked up perception of you two. You could explain yourself pretty well, brother. Like, you know, like, for whatever reason, I always thought of, like, the rappers in the era of just, like, being so super leaned out. Like, like, even a conversation of what we're having now would just be futile because they just wouldn't be just even have the depth to, and I don't know if it's because you're older now. Yeah.

But let's go back though. So I think D.C. is an interesting place. And I think a lot of people know about New York, right? And what New York is known for. we know notable figures, whether it's, you know, people who might just been in the streets or rappers. And they kind of have a gist of New York. Same with Chicago a bit. D.C. is interesting because I think people have a limited scope of what even the street life in D.C. is, right?

So, like, you know, even me. Like, when I think about D.C., I'm like, well, I've known some hustlers supposedly was out there. But I don't know how that system worked. And we've heard about, like, some real niggas, like, you know, or people who was getting it in, like, Wayne Perry, right? and we heard Alpa went out there. But you explained the dynamic that this guy who had got shot up, right? He was a guy who was around, like he's getting money however he's getting it.

How does D.C. usually work when you're a kid growing up, like having that close proximity to the street. Is it, are there hustlers around or are there drug dealers or is just like a lot of violence? Yeah, so first and foremost, D.C. is not a state. That's first of all. It's 50 states in the United States of America. DC is not one of them. We are the capital of the United States, but we're not a state. That's why all of our inmates, we don't have a state prison.

They tore down our state prison in the early 90s. That was Lorden prison. So any charge you catch in Washington, D.C. is automatically a federal charge. That's why all our inmates go to the Feds. That's why you hear a lot of dudes say D.C. run the Feds because we're the deepest out any federal compound because we don't have a state prison. So any charge we catch is automatically a federal charge. So that's first and foremost. Second off, we don't have bloods, crips, vice laws, GDs, BDs, any other gang you could think of.

We don't have none of that. We got street corners. If you grew up on East Street, you're from East Street. You grew up on 35-O. You're from 35-O. You're from Trinity. You're from searching corridors. You know, whatever hood, whatever your street signs say where you live at, that's what

represent. And I mean to cut you up, but just for a little bit of clarity because shit, like, leave, when was it? We went to,

I had to go get a passport. And the only place I could go, I had to go to D.C. to go get it, right? And I don't go to D.C. that much. But when I went to D.C.,

I see monuments, at least wherever the map took me, right? And I'm like, how, like, when people think about the capital of the United States,

what you're talking about is a place that also has a bunch of hoods and, you know what I mean? Like, how does both coexist? Because people think, about a lot of times when I think about D.C. is like, oh, you could see the president.

Yeah. That's the first thing they think of. How does it even become a place where you have these inner city neighborhoods where people are, you know, either committing crime or maybe feel like, yo, oh, we got to sell drugs to get by. Like, how does that happen? Man, look, whether you believe it or not, right? You know, my mother moved to D.C. in 94, right? When you look back, first of all, the White House is, if I walk to my hood from the White House,

I can get to my hood walking in maybe 30, 45 minutes. If I drove from the White House to my hood, I could get to my hood in 10 minutes from the White House. So that's how far the White House is from the trenches. You know what I'm saying? I never grew up admiralizing the, I don't know if that was the right word, but amortizing the redskins or the Washington Wizards. In D.C., like, you admirate the hustlers on the corner. You know what I'm saying?

Go-Go, the genre music of Go-Go ran the city back then. So if you was a get-money, nigga, you got some money and got fly and went to the Go-Go on the weekend. Maybe they might have had a celebrity artist there, you know, once in a while. But Go-Go ran the town, and the streets really run D.C. But I will say this, we got the most different Polices in our city than any city in America We got NPD, which is regular D.C.

We got United States police. We got the FBI. We got Capitol Police. We got Park Police. Because we're the capital of the United States, we got so many different kind of police in our city. So you would think it's the safest place then. You would think it's a super safe place,

but just do your research. As my homie, reach you would say do your research you know what I'm saying um just it's one of the most violent cities in America. Hmm. Yeah. You know, that's so interesting because that's one of the places. And I remember, you know, through all the stories I was covering, I was like,

I kept hearing that people were going to D.C. And it would be some people from some places that. Super official, but like when they go to D.C., they bump into a whole other. And I'm like, that's kind of interesting. Okay, so you growing up, you see your, you know, because I want to take you off that story. So you see your first dead body at fucking second grade. However we, oh, we is in second grade. I remember my teacher was Ms. Esdale, and I was in the second grade when I saw my first dead body for sure.

Okay. How does that, you know, and now you're realizing the environment you're in, what kind of happens then? How is, did you grow up in, you know, living in a comfortable, you know, a household, nice neighborhood? What was it? No, I lived in. I grew up in a penitably. You know what I'm saying? I tell people all the time, you know how you could type in an address on your GPS and now the

GPS will show you a visual of that neighborhood. Like if you're going to see a broad, you type the address and it'll show you a sky view. You could look around the neighborhood or see what kind of, you know what I'm saying? I tell people all the time, Google my hood, 15, 13, 13 Ben and Road, North East Washington, D.C. That's where I grew up at. That's the bricks. That's the Pentegris. There's the trenches.

You know what I'm saying? And that's what more than me to be the man. I am today. Everything that I saw, everything I witnessed and I went through, you know what I'm saying? It's D.C. for sure. When you were growing up, did you think that you were growing up in the trenches or you were just like, oh, this is kind of normal, like how everybody's living? Nah. Okay, so I saw my first day about you, boom, I'm in the second grade, you know, I don't think nothing ever like, wow, like maybe dude got killed. Okay, boom, I know he got killed. I see the bullet holes in them. I don't think nothing of it, right?

But... That's crazy that you got to process death at the second grade. Right, yeah. Murder. Not death, murder. Because people die all the time. Murder is when somebody intentionally kills somebody. You know what I'm saying? So I'm seeing that at a young age, number one. Number two, I remember my mother had a boyfriend. His name was Monroe. He was real good at football.

Fly dude, one of the flies dudes in the neighborhood. And Monroe was a good dude. Well-mannered, dressed well. You know what I'm saying? Had manners. Real respectful. with, yes, ma'am, how you doing today? Good morning, miss. How you doing, sir?

Excuse me, sir. You know what I'm saying? We idolized dudes like that because gangsters, real gangsters have manners. And Monroe got killed. You know what I'm saying? And when I seen, one, how hurt my mother was, but two, the community was like, was in an uproar like, man, somebody killed Monroe like, man, what's up? You know what I'm saying?

Like, man, we got to go see about that. It was like, okay. Now, we're in the city where anybody could get it Because the Jamaican dude was a good dude too Community loved him Monroe, good nigger Community loved him O.G. Terry, I remember when Terry first got killed

Everybody loved Terry. Great smile, White Teeth, funny dude, the neighborhood loved him But he was getting killed. So I've seen a lot of dudes getting killed, you know what I'm saying? And then, of course, not to fast forward so much but when I turned 15, my first friend, neighborhood friend, got killed from some beef that we had as teenagers. And that's just a testament to how early and how often war is in Washington, D.C.

War is, unfortunately, one of the main things that's on the average Washingtonian's mind when you wake up. We don't have to get specific into either that early. But, like, where would beef kind of rise from? Is it, you know, um... You want me to be honest? Yeah. Majority of the time. Because guys are not in gangs, right?

You want me to be honest majority of the time? Whether, whether niggas want to keep it real or not? Bidges. Really? It really stemmed from bitches. You know what I'm saying? But it's also like, you know what I'm saying? Okay, look, take my hood, for example, right?

Now, I told you, Go-Go kind of ran our area for a minute. Back in the day, it wasn't cool to rap or sing. It wasn't cool to be a rap if you was from D.C. It was cool to be in a go-go band. If you wasn't in a go-go band, you was kind of sort of considered a lane. you feel me if you wasn't straight hustling and get money so um when you go when you go see these gogo bands right like my hood i'm from east street they call us the east street bangers so when we go see a gogo band we're in there 30 40 deep the go go band yelling out but it's not a gang

no i mean it's not a gang but this is our neighborhood we're from east street so we call ourselves the east street bangers you know what i'm saying um for example these dudes they're from 17th street but but in the gogo they call it hood 17th from Compton. Southwest you had a hood called 106 in Park. Before I even heard a 106 in Park, the real show, you had a hood in D.C. called 106 and pop. So, you know, people play around with their street names and, you know what I'm saying,

21st in Vietnam, 17th in Compton. You know what I'm saying? Which, by the way, if you think about, you know, just how I think humans are bred is like you're going to organize or you're going to be hanging with people. people in your proximity, especially if you have the same interests, you're from the same place. Absolutely. I get that.

Then you get out of school, it's natural that y'all going to play basketball together, play tag, play throwback football together. You're going to do that with each other. So y'all eventually become a group of friends who come from where, East Street. So y'all are the East Street bangers. You know what I'm saying? You got to, you got to rep that. When you go to school, you got a rep that.

They go to East Street boys. They go to Southeast boys. They go to Search and Quarter boys. They go to Tim Street boys. how are you in school were, you know, did you ever run into issues where people were, you know, either trying to pick on you or like, how is that dynamic?

Because now you're witnessing a lot and you're realizing, you know, obviously, you see, I'm trying to put myself in your shoes, but like, I'll be fucked up at second grade to see some shit you did, right? So now you experiencing that, are you kind of getting that a little bit of a, like, like, hard and exterior a little bit?

Like, yo, okay, I see how shit is. I got to just make sure I'm not that person that's there respectfully. Yeah, for sure. See, me personally, you know, I grew up a little bit different because I had these bright, bright green hazel eyes in my face, you feel me? So a lot of people used to look at me. Oh, that's a little pretty eye boy right there, man. And, you know, the business was on the niggas, so niggas usually be like, man.

Those were in contacts? Nah. Nah, man, he's my real eyes, man. I was born with these eyes, man. Fuck, I look like walking around with contact, man. I always said, listen. No, these are my real eyes, man. The eyes of, the eyes of a man tells a lot of stories.

Of course. You could see a lot of pain sometimes. You can see war stories and sometimes you can even see sometimes trauma. Of course. And I never met you from a can of pain, but every time I looked at you, I said, Scott's seen some shit. Absolutely. Seen some shit.

And from what he's seen, I know he's in this for survival. Absolutely. I don't know if he kills somebody, but I know he probably would if he needed to. That's what I said. That's what I said. Algendix is crazy, man.

I mean, I feel you. But, yeah, no, I, and, um, okay. All right, so, so, so, so you're in school and, um, I kind of got a lot of hate because of my eyes was a different color. Like, you didn't see too many, dark skin dudes with my type of eyes. So, of course, dudes would try to pick on me about that shit. And then I always was, I always kept a girlfriend.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, bitch is you loving the eye shit, man. Yeah, of course. I always kept a girlfriend. So niggas are hit on that naturally. I did have to fight a lot in school. I did have to fight a lot after school. I also had two.

My mother had three boys. I'm the youngest of us. Was your father around? No, my father were around. My mother used to send me to spend time with my father on a certain summer. But once she found out that my father wasn't really watching me and that I was with one of his girlfriends or with my grandmother, she'd come back and pick me up. And then after a while, she just stopped sending me to him. So when you had an issue, because you say you had other brothers, right?

You were the youngest? Would you kind of go to them like, yo, I have an issue here? Or would they just be like, hey, listen, you got to be a man and kind of like. Yeah, no, I never went to get my brothers. Because that was the stigma, like, in my grade, yeah, what you're going to do? You ain't going to do nothing, but go get your brother. That's the first thing they're going to say. Man, you're a bitch.

Go get your brother. So I had to fight niggers without even going to go tell my brother what was up. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes at the end of the school, he might come pick me up and be like, man, what happened? You don't know what you fight? Who you fight today? You know what I'm saying? Because I ain't want to tell him what was going on because you was a sucker if you went and got your brother.

You know what I'm saying? So now a lot of my battles, I had to fight. I just had to fight one-on-one. That's interesting. Okay, so you're going through school. You have mentioned 15. What happened to 15? 15, my friend Scooby, which is one of my first face tattoos.

I got a W with angel wings and the S with angel wings under my face. I keep forgetting what side is on. But in 2005, my friend's school, we got killed by a rival gang that we was beefing with at that time. Robo neighborhood, we was beefing with at that time. And so that was my first time where I was. witness like oh one of us could die you feel me like because that was the first death in our hood and our generation where

all right now we die now you know what I'm saying so that was one of them how that made it made you feel it just made me be aware it made me be more on my toes and I definitely felt like that I was a grown man now that I needed my own pistol and that um you know it's up once they kill Scooby our whole hood was in the uproar so that That transpired into a whole big, something else within itself. Now, I like asking this question because I've always told people,

when, you know, I talk about me doing the Warren Shirek, I've always said that if I did it now, being in my 30s and having almost 15 years of experience, to me, that would do it so much different. Because, you know, I used to look at it from a very naive, narrow perspective. I was like, yo, these guys are calling themselves savage. and if they're doing crime, these guys are inhumane.

These guys, you know, they're cooling in, they whatever. Right. And you used a lot of bad words back in the day, I get done. Yeah. You don't talk though, baby. No, no, I've admitted this. I lack the understanding of understand,

of understand the perspective. There was maybe of a lack of empathy for what was, like, for example, if you had went out and did something I'm like I'd probably talk about you very negative like you're just a fucking idiot Like you're a cancer But again it's trauma right

Like you've seen your homie pass away Right You tatted him on your face Absolutely that probably Encourage a rage inside of you Absolutely that Unless somebody had to Go through that at 15

Who probably you have a developing brain I could never understand the pain and probably the thirst for revenge you felt at that point. Right. Right. Let me put into your perspective like this, right? My mother raised three boys, single mom, worked and went to school her whole life.

Now she got like two, maybe three degrees or something like that. We were so close as friends that school we got killed. I came in the house the next morning. None of us went to sleep. I remember. I remember like it was yesterday. Scooby got killed. It started raining.

and none of us went in the house. You know, everybody split, went their separate ways. We went and did what we do. Of course, I ain't going to say too much. And I came in the house, and I had an ass with angel wings on my face. I'm 15 years old at the time. It was so surreal that my mother, in my mind, I'm thinking, my mother about to beat that shit out with me and not get in the house, right?

I come in the house. She's like, boy, is you all right? I'm like, yeah, man, I'm all right. She's like, nah, for real, is you okay? I'm like, yeah, she's like, what's that on your face? I said, just to ask for Angel Williams. She didn't ask me, boy, is you stupid? Is you crazy? Why you do that?

None of that. She was like, I understand. You know what I'm saying? And mind you, growing up, my whole life, my mother always told me, never get tattoos on your hands, never get tattoos on your neck or your face. You ain't going to be able to get a good job. Well, at 15, my first, one of my first tattoos, because my first tattoo was like M-O-E was still for money over everything on my arm.

My second tattoo was my first love. I got a girl tattooed on my neck. And my third tattoo was an asshole angel wings on my face. We were so deep in the streets that my mother seen at him was like, she didn't even question. She was like, I understand. And I think that's, at that point, me and her both, without verbally agreeing, we both looked at each other and agreed, I'm in the streets forever.

Like getting a job, going to the NFL, going to the NBA. It's over with it. They kill Scooby. And we got to go do it. We got to do. And that's hard. Like now, looking back, now that I, I got three kids now, you know what I'm saying? Looking back, I'm pretty sure I stretched my mother to fuck out.

I was just about to ask, how tough do you think her job was like, you know, my mom raised three boys, you know, pretty much by herself because she just played with my dad early on. And, shoot, you know, as you were saying that when you came in the house, you thought she was going to beat you guys. What my ass like? I always tell, I was just, I'm from Jamaica. was borns maker. Right. My mama know how to beat a 16, 17, 18-year-old man like a man. Like a man.

Trust me. Hey. She's not one of them people who are going to get your uncle. Oh, I'm going to send you to your daddy. She won't handle that. My mother the same way, man. My mother is still fearing us from day one. You know what I'm saying?

So like I said, I was real scared. But at the same time, I knew that I was coming in there to, I was coming in there to change clothes. and clean myself up and get rid of the clothes that I had on. So I was really on a mission, for real, for real.

I was trying to be in and out. And I think she knew because she ain't dumb, you feel me? My mother, she's very educated, you know what I'm saying? She ain't dumb, you feel of me? Scooby got killed. He came in the house the whole night

and my best friend, Tay, I know for a fact she called Tay mother and was like, hey, did Tay come in? And I know Penny was like, Penny was like, but Penny probably was like, nah, Tay ain't come in the house. Yeah, well, you know Scooby I killed last night.

Yeah, trail ain't coming to house evil. I can imagine how that conversation went. One plus one equal two. You know what I'm saying? Coming to house, trying to change clothes. I'm trying to clean myself up. And, you know what I'm saying? I'm sick.

I'm nauseous. I'm nervous. I'm scared. You know what I'm saying? It was a lot, man. You know what I'm saying? That's a crazy thought that she probably didn't say, you my son, I don't want to lose you.

You're not leaving his fucking house. Go upstairs. And I notice some, this is tough you lost your friend. I'm not letting you walk out of that house. So I get why you're like, you know, that was an understanding where she's smart enough to know

when you walked out of that house what it was. Yeah. And I had that look in my eye like, my mother, I'm not one of them dudes. I'm not one of them dudes who are going to sit here and fake, like I grew up here. My mother knew where it was.

No, I feared my mother my whole life. She whipped the brakes off us. I feared my mother my whole life. Every decision I made walking, I always thought about what my mother gonna do if I get caught, you know what I'm saying? But that day, that specific day, I believe she looked me in my eyes

and she asked me, was I okay? I said, yeah. She said, no, for real. I know how close you was with school. Is you okay? I said, yeah, I'm all right. And she looked at me and said, what's that on your face? I told her what it was for. And she moved out the way. I walked back to my room, did what I did, blah, blah, and left. I think she looked me in my eyes and knew that

it didn't matter what she would say on that day I was going to go do what I had to go do how did you feel though you know if you had to reflect on it did you feel anger hurt or you just felt you needed revenge like what was that feeling

like did you break down crying like like hell yeah I mean we broke down crying out on the scene like you know he got killed that like I told you I saw You know what I'm saying? It's a parking lot. My neighborhood got a big parking lot.

Scooby got killed at the bottom of the parking lot. He was sitting in the stove in the car smoking. I think he was with a female. And they pulled up, shot him with a pump. You know what I'm saying? Shot him in there. Killed him. When you see that, you feel me?

We in, what, seventh grade, I believe, maybe eighth. So you went to the scene that you've seen. Yeah, like, you hit a, you hit a, so boom, you hit a gunshot. You hear the car alarms going off That's the first thing that go off After you hit shot Car lines go off Now we're trying to

Everybody checking on everybody Who got hit? You got hit? You got hit? Nah, who got hit? What's such? I don't know. Scooby down at the bottom of the pocket

And I, he and a Yu-U smoking with the bitch. Yu-U is a stolen car. He had a Yu-U-U-U-U-Smoking with a bitch Go check on Scooby. All right back. We run down there. You can hear the girl screaming.

Scooby. Go right there. Scooby. Just killed Scooby. So first of all, you see that. Then that's when everybody gets a call 911, get them out of the car, don't touch them. Everybody got to, you know what I'm saying? And that's, but yeah, we saw, yeah, you've seen it up close and person for sure.

Wow. So that grief of y'all breaking down, like what the fuck turns almost into rage. Absolutely. Because you get the accent, girl, what you see? I saw what kind of car. It was, what color? It was a, all right, now they do be riding in the, start doing your math. Then everybody just started making decisions, what are you going to do?

We're going to sit around here and cry, you know what I'm saying? Or we're going to go, what's up? With your boo-sum, lace them up. And if you don't lace them up, then you realize the decision that you're making right then and there amongst your friends. Because we didn't all grew up, like I said, second, third, fourth. We didn't all grew up. So when you make a decision to not participate, you know you clearly made a decision

and not even want to hang around this area no more. It's like Boys in the Hood. Absolutely. It's like Boys in the Hood. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? You could tell Boys in the Hood was a movie. I'm going to just say that.

That was a movie. How they gave Trey a pass for not one. That was a movie. Ricky Die with you. Ricky Die with you. You posed to be. You're supposed to have the most butthus in your clip. He was with you.

Doesn't it kind of work like that? Like, if one of the, say y'all all grew up with your friend. Right. And even if someone was, he was the closest person in, he's like, nah, this ain't me. I'm good. Okay, well, if it ain't you, right? Why hang with Ricky, number one?

Number two, what's the name of the little block where they went to and it was lit? What the dude first bumped them originally? Yeah, yeah. You like to hang with Ricky all the time. Y'all go and hang out at these dangerous spots all the time. So now when shit get real, now you want to fall back. You just get me a whole different perspective with that whole movie now. Ricky friend, man.

You know what I'm saying? And look, we're not even saying that you have to turn into a super cold-blooded killer after this. But let's go see who did this to Ricky. And after that, you can still go to college. Be with your girl. Chase your dreams. And yeah, let's put this behind us because we know. this ain't you but dog

he was with you could have been you imagine us not jumping in this ride about Trey maybe we're going to go ride for Trey man that's our dog you just gave pretty much I never thought about like

I've always thought about like he was the guy that wasn't like that but you just brought up a point he was hanging around with all the guys that was like that and in the situations around other people that was like that Right. And last but not least, right? Because I'm a fair nigga. I'm a real nigga. I'm a fair. Let's say you don't want to get in the car and slide.

Man, go get your father of pistol. We need all the artillery we could get. Contribute to something. Contribute to some type of get back for Ricky, man. If you don't want a road, that's cool. Go in the back, get your father a gun and give me all the extra bullets you see. Man, we're about to go slide for Ricky. You got to participate in some way, shape, or form. Go steal us a car. Go get a car. Go get a gun. Go get a gun. a low, go get a drop foot. Do something. Yeah, do something.

Just don't be like, hey, I've been on the sidewalk this whole time. I don't know what's y'all doing right now. Yeah, don't do that because you ain't been on the sidewalk. You've been with us. Been with us. Wow. That was a moment, I could imagine, you probably saw, probably went to a range of emotions, not only grief, but also seen your own life changing,

right? Absolutely. And I think in that moment, you also made. make the choice where you now also become a target, right? Absolutely. Where someone's like, you know, oh, this guy's offended that, whatever happened? Oh, oh, he thinks he going to do whatever. Yeah.

Oh, he must think that we can't do something to him. Exactly. So now you got to walk around a little bit different and a little bit, maybe, I don't know necessarily in fear, but you got to walk around looking around to see if someone's We call it being on point. We called it. In D.C., we called it on point. That from here and out, just be on point.

just be on point how did life drastically change after that for you moving more militant we no longer catching the bus no more by ourselves because you got to think this back in the day

where we caught the bus and the train anywhere anywhere now we ain't catching the bus or the train no more unless we five deep if we do leave the neighborhood there need to be

at least one pistol with us because I ain't going to sit here and think like we had super big wild heavy artillery when we was 14, 15, 16 It probably used to have been seven niggas on two guns back then. You know what I'm saying?

So now we're more militant-minded. We're moving more on point. We're not going to every go-go no more. We're not going to go see every bitch in our neighborhood no more because we're East Street bangers now. And, you know, people know our face now. Our MySpace pages is growing. Like, motherfuckers know who we is, you feel me?

So you've got to move different. What about the elders? Because a lot of times when we talk about, this, and I noticed this is about Chicago, there wasn't a lot of maybe older people who was seeing a situation starting to devolve into maybe continual violence, right? Where it's like, like, you know, not to bring into something else, but like, imagine even thinking about, even though it's not kids necessarily either, but the thing about Memphis, the passing of Dolf created a whole wave of violence.

A lot of times, and again, I'll also say, this about me doing Warren Shirek. I used to think of things as, okay, it ended there. Right? Not that, well, you know that younger cousin, that younger brother who looked up to that, that was his hero. Yeah.

He watched his brother take his last breath. He'll never be okay again. Absolutely. And he feels like if he doesn't do something, so now when you criticize him about doing something, his life was already changed. before he did what he did by him witnessing that.

Was there any like older people or, you know, I don't say necessarily, oh, geez that might have, like, started to see like, yo, let's see if we could, you know, get this at least neutralized. You can't get it fixed at that point, but. I'm going to be honest, man, not in my city. Washington, D.C., I'm going to tell you how I go. And this is unfortunate, right, but I got to keep him 100 with you. you man. Never may know when I get to

sit down with I can't get, man. When that shit happened, first of all, shootouts bring police detectives, crime scene, yellow tape, all this shit, right? So the older dudes run out of way who hustling, like, look, man, I don't know what the fuck y'all and did at the go-go or, you know, who girl y'all fighting or whatever, man.

I need it, man, y'all got handle that shit. Because we ain't about to keep having them niggas pull around here, had the police all up and down the block. They fuck. up the money, you know what I'm saying? Man, shawday, y'all need to go out and handle that shit. You hear me? That's what I owe heads, what's all in a show? Man, y'all need to go handle that shit.

What y'all going to do? Y'all sitting around here crying and going over memories and he dead. Y'all got the information. What you're going to do? Unfortunately, I'm going to do. That's just how I go into the hood. What y'all are going to do? And the real good old heads might pull a good one or two young niggas up and be like,

look, I got this. Take this. Do what you do? You know what I'm saying? that's how I go in the hood. It's how I go in the hood. Keeping it in the hundred. That's how I go.

You might have one good dude who was like Sharif off of the sister's side. You might have one Sharif in the neighborhood. I ain't going to lie. I have one, maybe two Sharifes in the neighborhood. But for the most part, this, man, what y'all don't do? Yeah, they play with y'all. You're 15, 16 years old. Now is the time for you to set the record straight from here on out,

what you about to do. And that's how it was. Okay. So this is coming off you being 15. Yeah. I can imagine a whole bunch of stuff happened, stuff that, you know, it's probably only between you and God at that point.

How does the music enter into this? Okay. Well, first and foremost, I always was into music. I always pulled the pots and pans out from under the kitchen sink and beat on the pots and drums, you feel me. You went to church? Yeah, when my mother did take us to church, I used to like to sit beside the drummer.

Really? Yeah. I used to play drums and the piano. Got it from church. Anytime I hear someone with drums or they used to play piano early, that's that church. My mother gave me like two drum lessons,

and then I don't know what happened. I just stopped going to the drum lessons, but I did want to learn how to play the drums. I forgot what the fuck was. What the fucking music? So we're talking about how do we get into music from... Oh, okay.

So first and foremost, I always love music, you know? Boom, third grade. I came home from school. I was like, money having a ton of show. What should I do? She was like, man, you should rap. I was like, all right, so what songs should I do? Were you a shot kid?

No, I wasn't never a shot kid. I always wanted to be a rapper or an entertainer, so I was always well-spoken and you know what I'm saying outspoken like I wanted to entertain I wasn't a class clown but I wanted to entertain I wanted to show off my skills for sure

You were the youngest right Yeah the youngest out of three boys I was the youngest I'm the youngest out of three boys too I think there's a thing about the youngest That kind of makes you Want to like Do better than your two other brothers And you know

Like we can even see it Like respectfully I think LeBron James Youngest kid is going to be the best. I think it's the reason why La Mello Ball is the best. Right. As the youngest son, first of all, the oldest son, going to be Mama's favorite, well, not favorite,

but she's going to think about the fucked-up position she was in when she had him. Yeah, I had him when I was a little young. I didn't really know, whatever. That was like, so she's going to excuse anything he does because, she's going to say I had him when I was super young I didn't know what to do

but by the time you're the third she thinks she's a great parent yeah yeah so now you don't got no excuse so you gotta go extra hard absolutely and the middle child sometimes gets to skate by yeah so so you gotta really go hard so okay so so good so you're not a you're not a shy person on like that yeah she say you should rap

you agree I agree um I said but I'm what song I'm gonna do because I was thinking like you know just rap industry song that's all right out She was like, no, write a rap. Really? Yeah, this third grade, a lot of you not. She's like, write a rap. I'm like, write a rap.

She's like, yeah, write a rap. So I wrote a rap called My Ghetto Neighborhood. Really? Yeah, no cursing. And I performed it at the town of show, and I won the talent show. You know what I'm saying? And that was when I knew, when I wrote my first. Who were you listening to?

So even like. Scarface at that age. Yeah, I was listening to a lot of Scarface. Why? His message and his voice, you feel me? Like, let me give an example of me as a kid, right? I played Martin Luther King in my church. I did the whole I Have a Dream speech.

I wore the hat. I walked down the aisle with the briefcase. They made me stand on these crates and stand at the pulpit. I did Martin Luther King. You remember the whole speech, too? Yeah, I did the speech. No, do you remember to this day? No, hell no.

Hell no. I did the whole speech. I wasn't ever no super nervous kid. You know what I'm saying? After I won the time of show, the arts teacher asked my mother, could I play the Wills play? Not the Wills of the Wills, but the Wills, you know, Michael Jackson and Diana Ross and him.

So it just led me to always entertaining people, you feel me? And then when I knew that I could write a rap, I'm like, oh, I could really rap, you know what I'm saying? And so Scarface, it was just something about this song. My first Scarface song I ever heard was Money and the Power. And when I heard the song, the way he told a story, the way he flew his brother down and was trying to help his brother out, but he was chasing pushy too hard. The way he put that all together, I was like, yo, this is what I want to do. You know what I'm saying? And at the same time,

crisscrossed that came out. Jump, jump, jump. They're like Dad, I make a job. Yeah. So I'm looking at them on TV, and I'm like, oh, shit, this kid's rapping. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, no, I could be a rapper.

You feel me? And so, boom. And then later on, you start to see Romeo and Bow Wow, and it's like, oh, yeah, and then Bao Bao did the Like Mike movie. And, of course, you like shit. Yeah, that Like Mike movie was crazy. Yeah.

And everybody wanted to be evil. Romeo a bow out in some way, shape, or form. I ain't saying, like, wanted to be like them, but you wanted to be a famous acting kid or a famous kid rapper. You wanted to be that. You feel me? And so, yeah, but I was listening to a lot of Scarface early. Scarface, Wayne, Gucci, and Ross.

Heavily. Wow. Okay, so you win that talent show. Yeah. Does your mom tell you keep doing music? Yeah, because, like I said, after I win the Tanya show, they asked me to do, play the line. in the Whiz. When I played the Lion, I did so good, we made the newspaper. We made the Washington Post. The Washington Post came and watched the whole play.

They took pictures of us, and they put our picture in the Washington Post. So you did real good. What happens next? Well, I got into sports. I got into sports. I always used to write raps or whatever. I used to, um, excuse me. I used to walk around the neighborhood and battle rap and, you know,

beat on the garbage can and rap and shit like that, but we never really took. Did you have the name Fat Trell up or not? No, I actually was calling myself, you ain't going to believe this. What? Homicide. Homicide. Yeah. That was my first rap name, Homicide.

God damn. Yeah. I just called myself Homicide. All my cousins and she used to be like, bro, you're not going to. Yeah, that's not the one to make it. Yeah, you're not going to make it. Yo, introducing the newest rapper who's coming on SNL. Yeah, like I called myself homicide, but I always wanted to be a rapper man, for real.

And so, boom, so let me give you a, I'm trying to make it short. I'm sitting outside my mother building one day. Me and my homie, we're outside rapping, and his dude walked past, and I always seen his dude. He was a very well-dressed dude. He always wore suits. He always smoked weed, and he always had a lot of girls coming in the house. Never knew what he did, though.

He drove a Z. You remember them Zs? Two door Zs, he drove the little Z, right? So one day we outside rapping, he walked up to him. He's like, yo, I ain't need no rapper, but I can spit a rap right now. It's going to be better than you. Like, huh? Well, the nigger spit a rap.

He spit his little rap. I spit my rap. He's like, hey, you want to go to the studio? So in my mind, I'm like, this thing ain't going to take me to the studio. I don't even know this thing. But I'm like, yeah, I want to go. You want to take me? You're like, yeah, I know what part of you live in?

When I come knock on your door, just be ready. I'm like, all right, whatever. A couple days later, he really came knocking my mother's door. I was like, yo, my name, Dakar. I'm here to take your son to the studio. And he took me to the studio for the first time. And I never forget I made a song called No Raw, you know what I'm saying? Which is on YouTube to this day.

That was my first song I ever recorded. A lot of people don't know this. That was my first song I ever recorded. And when I heard my voice on a track, I fell in love. I knew for a fact that this is what I want to do right here. Really? Yeah.

So when I heard my voice for the first time, like being recorded, I was like, oh, man, I sound terrible. So you already knew, like, you kind of had something there. Yeah, because I was, you know, I was like 15 at the time. So I was, of course, when I'm rapping, I'm trying to make myself sound older. But I'm also trying to find my Washington, D.C. swag. I don't want to sound like a

New Yorker, but I don't want to sound like I'm from the South Hill. I want to sound like a Washingtonian. So I was trying to find my voice, but I also trying to sound older at the same time. And when I heard myself on the record, take it out the jaw, divide them in the fores, bag him real fat, burn the bag, no raw, can't forget my strap,

pack of cigarettes, grab my phone, tell them bitch's call, don't text. Once I heard that, oh yeah, I'm about to be a rapper. fucking everything. I want to rap. I quit football, basketball, everything. And I was just,

I dropped out of school, too. I ain't gonna lie. I dropped out of school. I was just hustling and rapping. Yeah, I think historically look back, and I don't know if I just got some while in the same theory, I think people, I think a lot of dudes who end up being a little bigger,

they got away with words. And I don't know if that's something that comes before the music, where you've had to have to have a way with words to either get women or whatever. Of course. So like, if we're talking about a big pun, if we're talking about Fat Joe, we're talking about Biggie. We talk about, like, a lot of dudes who are a little bit bigger,

like they have that little finesse with the... We got to because, one, not to cut you all, we got to because, one, society looks at fat as unattractive, right? So I got to put a little bit of extra sauce on it because I need you to believe that there is no greater human than the fat human. That's number one. You know what I'm saying? And then you got to be, you got to want to be a dude that the bitches want to be around. And so you get to develop certain traits and certain skills to become a smooth, fat, fly nigger.

Now, if you notice in my rap, I always call myself fat and ugly. A fat and ugly dirty motherfucker. I always call myself fat and ugly. So I never claim to be a cute nigger. Man, I'm pretty, I'm handsome. I never, that wasn't ever my swag. Man, I'm fat and ugly. I'm dirty.

What's up? You know, mad, I'm getting money. A little self-deprecated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so I always had to add a little bit of gift of gaming to my shit because I had to put a little bit of extra salts on my shit. I was a fat nigga, you know what I'm saying? I think that's the same thing, Drewski, you do?

Drewski, you know. Do you know what the hell leave you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm telling you. Okay, cool. So, wait. When did you change your name from homicide to fatten? I've been changed my name from homicide to fat trail.

Homicides just seems kind of harsh. Yeah, homicide. But you got to think when I was called my... That would probably be the hardest name, the homicide? Look, when I was calling myself homicide, I was strictly on battle rap time. You know what I'm saying? When I first saw the...

Oh, okay, okay. Homicide and battle. Yeah, when I first saw the... I thought you were, like, rapping about killing the niggins in the hood. Nah, when I first saw the... Cassidy versus Freeway Battle, I thought I better. I'm going to be a battle rapper.

You know what I'm saying? My battle rap name will be homicide, niggins. Because when you step in with me, I'm going to kill you. I'll have to break. That's what the name stem from. Yeah, yeah.

So, um, but my cousin, I think my cousin might have been the first person. My cousin, it's crazy. He played the keyboard in church. My cousin Tremaine. He was like, man,

you can't call yourself homicide, man, you know what I'm saying? He was like, man, just think of another name. And I kept telling him, I'm like, man, well, I don't want another name because I ain't no gimmick.

You know what I'm saying? I'm me. What I'm about to rap about is me. I'm not about to give you some big million dollar story that I ain't never did. So I said,

fuck it. I'm just, I'm just be myself. They already called me Fats around my way. Fats. Otrell, Fat boy.

Fat ugly. Come here. Come here, Fats. So I said, fuck it. I'm just called myself Fat Trell.

My real name is Martreel. Oh. When do you realize you're getting some of, like, what should doing it's starting to bubble up bigger than

you probably even thought it would or it's starting to hitting the radar for other people you didn't think. Okay cool I'm putting it in the perspective for you. I told you I dropped out of school. I'm in eighth grade right I drop out my mother said look it's the last chance I'm gonna give you

I'm gonna put you in job call. Pretty sure you're the job call. Yeah yeah. She's like I'm gonna put you in job core. It's your last chance. If you don't make it here you're getting the out my house, do whatever the fuck you want to do, right? So I'm going to a job call, but I'm sneaking off campus to go record. When I come back on campus, I'm playing my CD in my dorm room. At that time, I believe it was like six beds to a room, probably like 30 rooms in a dorm.

So I'd be in my dorm room playing my demo that I just recorded. And, you know, my friends are there, watch out for me, you know what I'm saying? When I sneak off campus, my friends Look out for me, like, watch my back So I don't get caught type shit So when I come back, they're like, Oh, let us hear what you did. So I'm playing my CD.

And then one dude, I never forget, okay, Job Corps, the age is just from 16 to 25. So you can live on the campus with 16 yos all the way up to 25 years. This one dude from Philly, he didn't live in my dorm or nothing. He came down to my dorm and was like, let me burn the copy in the demo.

I'm trying to play that shit for our dorm. I'm like, damn, how are you burning a CD? I ain't even know how to burn CDs either. I'm like, I burnt this, so how the fuck you, you feel me? So once kids started asking for my demo, like, one to play it in their own dorms, then once the females ask for my CD to play it in the girls dorm,

I'm like, oh, no, it's that. Boy, I might be on or something. Boom, create a MySpace page, you feel? And then once I create the MySpace page, it should just start going up from there. Then I just eventually, I left Job Corps, too, dropped out of Job Corps. God damn. Are you noticing, when does the idea or the thought of, like, fame? Because, you know, when you get to that lightning, hot energy and you're still in your local hometown, you see people start treating you like you're an alien.

Absolutely. When does that happen? And how do you deal with that? I think it's when I first started going to this open mic called Club Pure. Club Pure was uptown. It was on U Street. And I imagine, I'm a teenager. So my man is just sneaking me into this club, right?

It's all grown adults in here. It's grown men, grown women in here, and everybody displaying their talents. Well, I'm the best rapper in the room. You know what I'm saying? And I don't even pose a beginning. I'm 16. You know what I'm saying?

More and more people start coming every Monday. Every Monday, more and more people start coming. And then I'm getting more friend requests on MySpace. It's back in the MySpace days before Twitter. This is MySpace. I'm getting more friend requests on MySpace. Then my manager's like, yo, you got to make a Facebook page. I'm like, all right, man, let's make one.

We make a Facebook page. Back then, you could only have 5,000 friends on Facebook. Right? Yeah. I max out my friends. on my first Facebook page. Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

I still think it's like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know you live when you got multiple Facebooks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I made my first Facebook page max out the friends, $5,000. You're like, yo, we got to make another Facebook page. I'm like, I bet. So we create a second Facebook page,

and now I'm starting to click on other people's MySpace pages, and now they're using my songs on their MySpace page. Oh, that was the error. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So when they started doing that, I'm like, oh, shit. What was the singular moment? Like, I always remember this one moment for me.

And that was right when I was about to get on everyday struggle. I remember, like, walking in the mall. And, like, I don't think people really recognize me, but I knew that was the moment. I said, yo, I'm never going to just be able to walk in here alone and never be bothered. Like, like, I felt like I was just like everybody else. And that was the moment.

When was the moment where you, like, I don't know, went to a club or went outside and you're like... If I'm being honest, no funny shit. If I'm being 100% honest, I think it was when Waleigh came to that open mic to see me perform. Really? Because he came to see me perform. So once, when he did that, I'm like, oh, I got Wai in this bitch. Oh, it's up. It's over after that.

It's over with all he got, he don't have no choice but to ask me to get on the song. with him. You know what I'm saying? And once I seen Waleigh, because first of all, first of all, that's a place where you wouldn't catch Waleigh. That's first of all. They wouldn't book Wale I don't think Waleigh would take the booking. You know what I'm saying? You just simply. Why not? It's the open mic. Like, he's a poetic thing. No, the area that this open mic is in. Oh, it's one of the time of areas. This is uptown. It's in the trenches. It's on U.S. It's on U.S. Street. Sure, it's U. And, you know, but you got to look at U.S. how people in New Orleans look at that

what's that place in New Orleans where it'd be super lit but you can get your ass smoked on Bourbon Street you know what I'm man like so that's how that wasn't a place where a nigga like Walee would be you feel what I'm saying and so I knew that I was blowing up when Waleigh came and my manager was like yo look I'm gonna keep it real with you

Walee you come in here to watch you perform you're gonna do a little discipline people probably don't know notice, but I'm going to keep it real. They're like, yo, people don't notice he's going to do a little fake time to show, and he's going to pick a winner, but he's really picking you. Like, you know what I'm saying? So just go in a blah, blah, blah, but he's coming.

So that inflated my ego. Like, wow, he's throwing a whole fake event just to pick me because the winner of the contest get a free verse and video from Waleigh. Oh, shit. Yeah. How is that relationship? Because Waleigh is kind of known at least how mainstream hip hop looks at him like,

yo, he's a D.C. guy. Right. Right. But then obviously there was like criticisms a little bit where people like, well, he's not like, he doesn't represent all D.C. Yeah, like real Washington. He's like a certain type of D.C. Real Washingtonians, right?

We got this complex in our city where if you're really not from Washington, D.C., a nigga ain't going to really let you claim Washington, D.C. So therefore, while they is from PG, PG, Maryland, right, PG County, Maryland. You got some people who say he's from Moco, Maryland, Montgomery County, Maryland,

whatever you want to call it, right. When a dude from Maryland go out of town, let's say New York, Texas, Houston, and they ask him where he's from, he's going to be like, man, I'm from D.C. But when he goes home, technically, he lives in Largo, Landover, Maryland. Oh, that's how it's like?

Yeah, but when he's out of town, he's going to say, I'm from D.C. Oh, you know, a lot. They do that. Well, I can't do that. Well, we'll be doing it with a hose. They'll be like, yo, where am I flying to? I'm not telling him New Jersey.

New York City New York City They'd be like, you're where Manhattan Square Right They don't want to take Nothing else

No shit I'm going to Where are we Absolutely Okay okay So now we're in the dynamic So DC is like That central spot

Right That you know No disrespect Another place around But sometimes a nigga Like rather than Just save his breath To explain a little bit too much

D. D.C. It's like a dude who grew up in Manhattan But if you're out of town He'd be like, man, I'm from Harlem. Oh, yeah, okay. I'm from Harlem.

I'm from 152nd. Stop playing again. No, your grandma lived there. You only go there once in a year. I'm from Queens. Stop playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is what I love about Wale.

He never claimed to be from D.C. Never claimed that. He might have made some D.C. chilling. But you know, there's the next line. He say, P.G. chilling. P.G. is Prince George's County, Maryland. So he said D.C. chilling. P.G. chilling.

He never claimed to be a Washingtonian. Because he know how serious Washingtonians take claiming, false claiming. You know what I'm saying? So, but, you know, a lot of people like to give him flack or whatever. He ain't really from D.C., but he is the number one representative from our city, though, for sure. So he shows you a lot of love and embrace you. Absolutely. I don't want to jump too far to the story, but was he like maybe the liaison that kind of introduced you even to Ross?

Of course. One plus one equals two. Of course. I don't get my deal with Mayback without Wiley Really? 100% Yeah Okay

So all right So now And I'm probably asking some bullshit I've just seen just people Online say in D.C. Did you ever feel like Because there's a point Waleigh's kind of on and popping

You ever feel like Well he's not doing enough for us Because I've heard I've heard like you know Certain people like oh you could have done more And I mean, you hear it from everywhere. Like people from Philly be like, yo, well, me could have done a little bit more. You hear people from like wherever.

Like, yo, whoa, he could have looked out a little bit more. Was that your experience? I know maybe not your experience, but what do you say to those people? I feel as though, number one, he only one man, number one. Number two, ask yourself, who did something for Wale? You feel me? When you go to the studio and you record these. records and you go to these high schools and these colleges and you pass out your demo and all that,

you got to force your CD on these DJs. You got to force your CD on the strippers at the strip club, that's how them played. Nobody's giving us nothing. We had to pay DJs to play this shit. We had to pay studios to record us. We had to pay the security to let us in the club because we weren't, we ain't having a clothes that you posed a way to get. Nobody gave us nothing. That's number one. So all this, what he did and didn't do for the city, Me personally, I don't agree with it. That's number one. Number two, Wale has done a lot for the area.

You feel me? It's just people be on that. What have you done for me lately, wave? I mean, yeah, you did. Put me on your album. But, that was six years ago. Put me on a new app. Nah, bro.

It don't work like that. One hand wash another, both hands wash the face. Yeah, no, no. I always looked at the Waleigh situation, and again, I might be wrong. I was like, I felt like the local support fell back off of him a little bit and kind of, you know,

in most people cases, that local support for that artist, that's the real shit. Yeah. Right? Like, again, yeah, you could make all type of jokes about meek, mill, and ditty,

but I'm pretty sure you're not going in the heart of Philly and doing that. Yeah. Right? Like, they rock. He's done a lot for, that music scene. Of course.

And, you know, whether even if people don't like them or whatever, do they understand that? Right. I remember just the mainstream push about Waleh was just like, oh, no, like, this is not the representative of D.C. D.C. is like, and I guess that's when I see a lot of people, like, bubbles on the radar. I was like, no, D.C. is like these super thugged out tough dudes,

and he's not that. Right. Yeah. And he never claimed to be, too. But, of course, just to piggyback of what you said, right, real Washingtonians, I get it. I'm a Washingtonian, so I get it.

You're going to have a lot of Washingtonians who say, nah, Waleigh is not a description of Washington, D.C., and that's cool. One, he's not from Washington, D.C. Now, out of towners might view him as a D.C. nigger, but he, Wale, not from D.C., he's from Maryland, you know what I'm saying? So, yes, real Washingtonians

would definitely not want people to judge Washington, D.C. off of what you see and what you hear from Waleigh. Naturally, of course. You know what I'm saying? But the love that he got for the city and the things that he's done like working with these artists, pulling up doing free shows on 8th Street Day

and all this stuff, giving away Jordans to this school, this basketball. I mean, he's done so much for the city. But, you know, everybody, listen, when you get a lot of love, you're going to have some secret. you're going to have some secret and that's that's natural

that's what come with life you feel I mean it might be a bitch in high school who really really liked you right but she thought she was lame but she secretly like you right but then when another bitch come along

and this bitch admire you right now this bitch like oh he really whack he fuck with that bitch nah a dot but bitch I always had this one specific story

college. This is when like I'm just, I bought my first equipment. I'm trying to DJ for everybody. There's a little. I got elementary shit over there. There's this one, so this girl, right, she booked me to DJ in her

apartment. I got a little speaker and I got like this little thing. It's not even like a real turntable. She booked me, I think it was for like $50. Okay. and I know a lot I killed it because I was coming with like

my group of people we always kind of gave that energy that would make the party lip yeah anyway this is now years later you know I guess people are starting to like what I do because I'm now doing some stuff online the same person and I remember she said I could only afford $15 feet

yeah she see people start talking about me she said yo it's no way y'all stop I told him about that lame-ass thing, academics. Why that bummed-ass thing? You're like DJ for me for $50. And I was just like, I couldn't believe she was saying that because I was like, damn, I thought you'd been like, yo, damn, your dude showed me love.

You used to a cool dude. I'm glad you're jacking him now because I was with him early. Yeah. But yeah, I ain't going to lie. It crushed my soul a bit because that's exactly what you're saying. It's like, they just come back with the hate. I'm like, oh. Niggas Ryan, rapes and riots and all type of shit on that.

now, man. Yeah, yeah. I got to look at what she's doing. Okay, okay, Ben. So, all right. Now, I know Wolle makes, I don't want to jump too fast. And this is, you know,

I know you've had a long day, but we got to get through everything. No, we good. So we, um, while they showed you some love, he is the intro to MMG, but before then,

there is starting to be a scene that's popping up in D.C. where it's kind of an underground scene, but it has energy. Absolutely. Explain that because also it becomes a little bit related to even

Chicago where people are looking for real niggis making real music who really like that. Absolutely. Right? And they start to identify that maybe it's not only Chicago, it's also other places. And then also they start to realize

that, oh, some of these real niggas over here, fuck with some of these real niggins over here, and then it starts to be a thing. Break that down and explain to me in your own way of how that was happening. Man, that's real interesting, man. So, you know, coming up in the rock game

and shit, like, I didn't have a lot of connects or whatever. So I remember when I first created a Twitter, right? I ain't know how to fuck to use a Twitter at all. This was back then when I had music on MySpace, all type of shit, right? I never had a rap video ever. So one day I'm on Twitter, I'm like, yo, I want to shoot a video.

You tweeted that? Yeah, I tweeted that. And this dude tweets me back and he's like, I'll shoot your video for free. I'm a cameraman. I'm like, I bet. So I'm smart enough to be like, I tell my manager like, yo, this dude wants you my video. He's like, man, asking to see you some videos he shot.

I'm like, all right. So I write him. back like, yeah, send me some videos that you shot. Yeah. This nigga sent me his high school football highlights and footage from a wedding. Oh, man. Yeah. That's my homie black, man.

He's still my friend to this day. Oh, you said. I'm going to be like, yo, I don't know if this guy made a cut. Yeah, nah. I met that nigga on Twitter, man, for real. This is a real true story. So what made you say, let's try. Whatever choice that we fucking have.

Oh, yeah. No bankroll like that. You got a nigger who's willing to shoot it for free. We got a nigga with a cameraman. And although he might not have never shot a rap video, you could tell he edited his football highlights. Because you know how before the play, the player might highlight or it might let you know who it was.

So it ain't just footage. It's edited footage. Oh, it was looking good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, it wasn't a rap video though. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. So boom, he reached out to me.

He like, yo, I'm from Virginia. I go to college and I think he was going to VCU, Virginia Commonwealth University or something like that, right? So boom, he come to shoot our video. We're in the trenches. We're in the hood called social quarters. We uptown. Knee deep in the trenches, right? Pull up.

He shoot the video. My first video on YouTube do 500,000 views, right? I asked this thing, I'm like, is you buying views, bro? Tell the truth. You were in disbelief. I was in disbelief, bro. I don't know 10,000 people, let alone 500,000 people that's going to click and play and watch this video. You're giving them, Sam?

Yeah. So I say that to say, now that niggas is looking at us on YouTube, we walk around with house arrest bracelets on and phone pauses on. No shirt and no belt. We just walk around dirty niggas on YouTube, but we're rapping. But the music is good, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel me? Mind you, he go to VCU.

You know what's so funny? Like when people have seen how y'all We just felt like it was as authentic We were not thinking that y'all ain't got it Oh yeah They were like, oh nah These things are just keeping it all bean They're just keeping it all honey

Nah, nah, we was really fucked up Back in the day Like, niggins ain't had no paint I'm talking about sharing shoes Sharing jeans Like, damn Hey I'm gonna do

What's up? What's up, blah? Man with them jeans you had on On Monday They're right here Yeah, let me see them You know what I'm saying? For real?

Yeah, no, we shared jeans, man. We share soap. You know what I'm saying? For real. Like, we've really fucked up. But anyway, not to go off track, right? So, boom, he comes shoot the video. We're blowing up on YouTube now.

Black, he'd go to college. Who do you meet in college? Who do you meet in college? You meet all type of people in college. You know what I'm saying? One day this nigger pulls up at the studio, he's like, yo, you want to do a song with Chief Key? I'm like

Yeah I do it I do it someone with Chief Keith You're like I am I to have you FaceTime him I'm like what you fucking That's what I'm saying I'm like who the fuck do you How the hell are you all the cause of you that Like who do you know

Like what you mean you're about to put me on FaceTime with motherfucking Chief Keith Like what the fuck are you talking about You know what I'm saying He put me on FaceTime with Sosa You feel me? So I'm like damn What's up?

You like bro we fuck with you Soca like man we fuck with you Out of here Mind you I'm not knowing that I got fans in Chicago but it makes sense because the YouTube views couldn't it could have just been people in Washington, D.C. watching me. You know what I'm saying?

So you're like, man, we fuck with you out there. Yo, that was an era where like people were you know and that's why you know what I'm saying even how to wash Iraq is like so impactful. It's like people were going to what they wanted to see.

Like there's a lot of cameramen now that are as important as Metro boom in this right now. Absolutely. Like cameraman, they were almost A&Rs who were picking the right song, shooting the right visuals, doing it,

and then people were just watching it, and I'm going to be honest with you, I know you say, it's not like it was by choice, it was about force that y'all ain't had nothing. People were watching like, oh, these things look like they're really in the hood.

Exactly. But you're really in the hood. Exactly. Like, for example, my homie black, like, this dude never, shot a rap video before. His first rap video, 500,000 views.

So's the first time in D.C. We shot Russian roulette. That did, what, 13 million, 14, something million views. So now we started to believe in ourselves, like, he's getting better at editor. What we do now? We got to buy iMac.

You know what I'm saying? Man, we got to buy laptops now. Now you start, like, oh, I, we start stealing ideas. Man, what them niggas doing? What kind of, man, you winning academics, too? You've seen them to the cameras he had, man. We got to go get them cameras now.

That's the best part of things. You know how many times we're winning people who should be like, yo, yo, yo, yo, I'm like, I'm going to talk to them. You walk around and look at the way of that. That's smart way. So is that your idea? Is it his idea? It's a little bit of both.

But I ain't going to never take Brody credit, you know what I'm saying? Because, mind you, he graduated high school. He goes to college. So he's thinking about all the shit that we don't think about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To keep it real, I'm going to keep it wanting, right? When everybody was disagreeing with the way you was reporting on shit on YouTube, yeah, black was the only one that was like, he's a necessary evil.

You need this dude. Yeah. You need everything that he's saying about, everything you need it. Trust me. Yeah. And I didn't understand it. Man, no, fuck this niggins. He's a wild nigger, man.

He's talking about shit he don't know about it. You know what I'm saying? He always seen a bigger picture. Well, see, he's smart because he's seen. that was media. And a part of this whole thing, when you do music, right, like even if you told my real shit or not, there's a certain element, you got to check those boxes.

You need coverage and media to help boosts in the visibility that people could have an easier access to the music. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm pretty sure there's, like, great music happening somewhere, but nobody's covering it. Absolutely. And it becomes that, you know, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it doesn't make it sound. So, and I think that's what Keith figured out.

When he told me, it was like, man, you pussy like for stop doing it. I was like, wait, I thought you would hate me doing the most. But I think he realized, like, though, you are our media. Yeah. Maybe you were, maybe you were 80% wrong. Who gives the fuck? Right. But you had people that were now so interested that our music meant so much more.

Okay. Okay, all right. So, guys start kind of figuring it out. How different is that from like even the streets, right? Where it's like, you know, maybe historically you've seen, okay, everybody knows how to get money in the street because a lot of people have done it. But this is the music game now.

This is kind of different. It's different. And you got to think we ain't making no money. You know what I'm doing? This is before monetization. And, you know, I didn't know nothing about getting. getting paid for views on YouTube and I didn't know that I needed my own YouTube channel. Like, Black, he already had his YouTube channel.

Nigger, upload the video. Let's put it out to the world. You know what I'm saying? So we wasn't really thinking about money in the beginning. You feel me? We, I think my first feature I ever did was, what, $300. Really? And I was so happy to be getting paid legally for something that the amount didn't matter.

The fact that you was paying me to be fed. the rapper is what really meant something to me because we're doing all types of shit to make money over here on their side anyway and then you know of course the $300 wasn't nothing but it was like yo man a nigga just gave me $300 for a verse

what yeah man shit I went on Twitter yeah man I'm doing verses $300 man put up you know what I'm saying whole time my verses at that time was worth $1,000 $1,500 without you know we selling ourselves short because we don't know no better and that happens at the beginning for every creator

shit, me too. Like, there's a time where, like, you're trying to figure out price. And for me, it was ego, though. I didn't want to ask, I didn't want to seem like I was an amateur to ask people who I thought were maybe more knowledgeable.

Like, yo, is the price that I'm kind of going with, the fair price, but I was a DJ. So, like, I always knew if somebody agreed too quick, you're too cheap. Yeah. If they come back once or twice,

but, ah, good, that's my price. I was surprised. You know what I mean? Okay, damn. All right, so shit started to happen. I'm guessing the views are coming in. What's that moment? Like that moment of maybe the next big step where you're like,

oh shit, I think we're fucking doing it. I think when I start getting booked for the proms in my city, because that's how I first started. It went from open mics to I want you to perform at Elliot Prime Eastern Prime wants you for two songs They're budgeting only $800 though

You know what I'm saying Little shit like that he's like oh shit I am doing shows You're that's the coolest feeling ever right It's the coolest feeling bro because it's like It's not even about the money It's just like they want me Want me yeah yeah yeah And you're doing it for free

Yeah yeah I've been doing open mics for two years straight For free I actually paid to get in paid for liquor, paid the DJ, pay for clothes, all type of shit. So I'll perform for free. That's another thing I was going to ask you because, like, in most stories

when I'm hearing about somebody trying to come up and they don't have much money, there's usually some hood nigger who got money. Oh, yeah. Who comes in and says, I'll finance this shit for it. I never had that. Shout out to all the niggas who had big homies with some paper behind them to support them. I ain't going to say no names.

There's a lot of artists who came from my city who had big homies with some paper behind it. I never had that. Everything, the clothes, the outfits, like I said early in my career, and I stand and I keep one hundred. I was sleeping with some bitches that I'm not so proud of for money and shoes. You know what I'm saying? One of the niggins who was using the girls.

Absolutely. I had to go fuck this bitch for the shoes. You fucking unfuckables just have a place to sleep and have some new kids. No, no, see, I was always comfortable with sleeping in the trap. But, like, when it comes to, like, I remember I got booked for some prom, some school prom, right? And, you know, the number one question is always, what are you going to wear? You know, you're looking at yourself like, man, I'm fucked up.

You feel me? I'm like, ah, I got this bitch. I know this bitch are definitely buying me the new J's. I put this dick on there. You know what I'm saying? Okay. I go over there, put this dick on her, get the Jays. Go over here.

Let's go get it. Let's get the jeans. You know what I'm saying? Like, niggas is running around and then. You know, we did little petty dice games. Yeah, yeah. Of course, shit like that. But now we're trying to rock like some expensive flat shit.

So we had to start doing some things you ain't too proud of. And that was unfortunately sleeping with some women I wasn't too proud of. But it was all for the greater cause. Okay. So you're trying to blow up now. Legally in terms of, you know, whatever you've been involved with, are you good? Are you clear? is the police

kind of like you know kind of because that's kind of that's a tell tell story of many people where like they're like police ain't want us to perform or they're harassing us

they put us over all the time oh yeah for okay so boom I give you a good example after my after my third prom right because I had did I did like three proms one year

right so boom The next year around, the school starts telling us, MPD said Fetreau can't perform in. NPD is a metropolitan police department. That's what I, police is called back in D.C. Next year, NPD, like, no, we don't want Fetreau to perform on campus. I mean, on school.

No, he can't come on school grounds. Were there was fights before something? Huh? Those fights like last year? No, you had, what happened was you had kids who were starting to make fake slutty boy shirts. and yeah and there go yeah because I'm I got hot as the twos I remember when that shit first hit the net

and you was like these niggas are calling themselves slutty boys which I'm like what the fuck you know what I'm there so but nah niggas was making fake slutty boy shirts and they was going to school fighting stabbing so on the outside looking then it looked like yo these dudes they support the slutty boys so who who is calling themselves a slutty boy

oh that's fair trailing the slutty boy oh all right well he's not allowed on his school to perform because a kid got stabbed by somebody who had on a slutty boy shirt. Wow. Filled me? Fucked up. Yeah. Jeez. Okay.

So at least you're having a little bit of motion. Can I get some more tequila, please? Wasn't it like that? Mm-mm. Oh, you got that one there. Okay, cool. Beb, babe, baby, yeah. Actually, I think I'm going to drink some of that.

I thought that was bull. shit. It's called, this is this shit called Malagro? Milagro, man. Don Julio and Shotsalagro. Oh, that's what they're talking about when they say. I'm still on. Tori put me on to Casa Zul and I don't know. I think Casamiguan was just having to be there. Okay. All right. So, um, how far are we in the story from, from you even? because I think people

Remember the notoriously You link him with Keith You Pretty much signed to MMG Yeah Which I haven't gonna lie to you This is what I thought then And I was just like

Yo, they hired a real killer in MMG This is like the enforcer Like I don't know if he's here for rap But he's here to make sure everybody realize Shit ain't sweet And also So whenever MMG, you know, and I'm like,

you're Ross is doing some strategic. He got a real name in Philly. He's making sure, you know, of course, Chateaule, but he's making sure he got streets in D.C. Yeah. And that was one of the times where, like, quickly I was like, yo, because there's also a demeanor about you. And you could tell me if I'm tripping.

No, just that. Keep it real with each other. that I feel like even the way you talk like Ross is one of those type of orators where like he's just kind of he has you on every word he has you on every rap

you give a little bit of that energy and I don't know if that was ever intended where Ross even being attracted to you and your talent if I'm being honest right not to cut you off you got to think one Ross is my favorite rapper before I met Waleigh before I met Rick Raj. Roger's been my favorite rapper. Just the lyricism. You know what I'm saying? I always wanted to be, well, of course, naturally, everybody wants to be a boss, right? But out of all my friends, like when I walk outside and I see my neighborhood, you know, I'm from a hood called the Pinnacles East Street, 1,600 block of East Street, 1,500 block of Benin Road. When I walk outside and I see my neighborhood and I see my friends, I kind of always wanted to be the leader. You know what I'm saying? And I felt like his music was helped molding me into becoming,

a leader in my neighborhood, you feel me? It's just the way that, you know, kilo grams were the key to my success. I apologize for being so discreet with my connects. My friends wasn't listening to that. You know what I'm saying? They was listening to, um, kiss me through the phone, you know what I'm saying? No disrespected soldier's soldier, my dog, I got songs with soldier. But that's what they was listening to. And I was listening to

mafia music too. That was just the mind state that I was in. And not to mention, you know, outside of being a rapper, I wanted to be the biggest... I don't allow you, that's what I'm trying. Mafia music too, do me one favor, act. It could be the night, tomorrow, whatever. Play Mafia Music too back and listen to every word he said in that song. Okay, so I think there's three versions of that. I think the original is, I got a feeling I would really, like, I think that might be the original.

Look up in a star, she like honey with a roof. That's the original. Oh, yes. But Mafia Music, too. Yeah. Yo, he had them dark beats. Yeah. Like, oh, man.

But listen, Mafia Music, too, is the one where he say, Plenty Dreams My Women Pose like figurines, whip sweeping through traffic like triple black centipedes. Please let a nigga breathe. Dialated pupils out of a sese of a nigger's greed. With 20 gs in my denim jeans, if she fucking, then she's lucky just to get some Chucky Cheese. When I heard shit like that, I'm like.

called raw's cold y'all ain't listening to this raw's cold like hold on what you just played man listen to this and then you gotta think we so young certain niggins like man I don't want to hear that shit

I don't know what the fuck you talk man you want to know what this is why did that appeal to you I knew where I was at in my life when when that like you know there's a few rappers like

there's a few rappers like I think I think like even like say like Luda Luda had a way with like his descriptions. Right. Right. Ross, when he says the line about the centipede, like he, his description seems so eloquent and over the top that he almost like he was writing some type of movie that was scored by Frank Sinatra. Quentin Tarantino or something.

Exactly. So what attracted to you at that point? because you're right. Some people were just like, they just wanted the quick music of, like, the vibe and uptempo, but Ross was painting pictures with his words. Okay, so first and foremost, right?

You're a fat nigga. In my generation, I'm seeing a fat nigga riding a white BMW all through his city. You remember the every damn hustling video he was collecting money everywhere he stopped at. He got some money from the dope boy.

He got some money from the nigger that was selling T-shirt. He got some money for the fisherman man who was selling fish. He got some money for the lady who's doing here. He's a boss and he's riding around collecting. So that's the first thing you see. Number one. Number two, the lyricism, the wordplay is like, I'm giving you game,

but if you ain't smart enough, or if you ain't really dealing with cocaine or crack rocks or triple beam scales or carjackings, if you're not riding wood grain and leathering, you can't relate to it. And it was just some real boss music. And I felt that I always wanted to be a boss. You know what I'm saying?

And mind you, I grew up listening to Scarface, money and the power. You know what I'm saying? Think it's a motherfucking game. I was listening to Scarface. You feel me? So always listen to them different dudes who had like a real message, who had real music. And I'm real big on production, bro.

I ain't trying to just rap on any beat. Now, that shit got to be hard. That shit got to be cinematic. It got to sound like a movie. I don't just choose any beat, you know what I'm saying? And that goes back to the music I grew up listening to, sure. That's absolutely fire. How does that decision have signed with MM

and how does that even meet and happen? Okay, so one year, this was long before Ross had signed Walee, Meek, styley and pill, right? We in Miami, I'm with Waleigh. Waleigh know that Ross, my favorite rapper because we had these debates all the time. And while they be like, you know, Walee think he's the greatest rapper alive,

great lyricism, like, but I'm always telling him like, yeah, you're dope. And you're better rapper than me, for sure. But you can't rap better than Rose. I always told him that. Like, you can't rap better than Ross. And you know, while they're like, that, man, that nigga Wally,

that n'nick, that Nicar, that Noss can't fuck with me when they come to dogs. I agree with that, too. Yeah. Well, first of all, I really think Rick Ross is a top 25, top 30, rap of all time. 30 is crazy. That's disrespectful.

15 at the least. 15 at the least. And, you know, Ross's favorite rap is biggie. Yeah, I might be playing with Ross a little bit. Yeah. Because if we go Teflon Don, if we go, oh, what's the album right before that one? Jesus Christ. Is it Albert Anastasia?

It's the one that he. he 50 thought he was like oh he's exposed me for being a seal but like Ross like he had a song called valley a death on it and I remember when I heard that I said this nigga is the fucking true this before we even get to mafia music yeah I don't know but we'll figure out the house name um wait so okay so so keep going um I just want to hear how is that synergy and then um what happens next pretty much. Nah, so, like I said, I always I always told Wollet that Ross

is my favorite rapper, right? So boom. One day, we in Miami, he's like, yo, you want me, Ross? I'm like, yeah. So we go to KOD, King of Diamonds. And I meet Ross and shit. He's chilling smoking, smoking weed, and shit. I forgot who birthday it was. It was either Ross's birthday,

Wayne birthday, or Diddy birthday, right? I remember this day because this was my first time, meeting Rick Ross in person. This is my first time seeing Little Wayne and Puffy in person. This is also the night that Puffy brought a brink's truck

full of ones to the strip club. So this was like one of the... Puffy brought a Brink's truck? Yeah, everybody knows. That shit went viral years ago. Yeah, Puffy brought a Brink's truck full of ones to KOD. Everybody knows about that. You ain't ever hear that? It was Wayne birthday,

or it might have been Puff birthday or it wasn't Ross' birthday. It was Wayne or Puffy birthday, but all the Miami rappers was in the building, all the lit rappers was in the building. And then they shut the club. They stopped the music, all that shit. And they had some cameras, a live feed of cameras,

and they showed the Brink's truck, put them up outside KOD, and they unloaded the ones and brought all the ones that did he. He had a Brink's truck full of ones, pull up to the Shrip Club. So that's why I never forget it. So that was my first time meeting Rawls on that night. And then three, four years later, when he signed Waleh, Meek, Pill, and Stiley, Waleigh asked me, he was like, yo, I'm about to go to Ross House to record.

You want to go? And I had just woke up, so I'm like, wait, I'm like, what you mean? You about to go to Ross House and record. Like, you're about to fly to Miami and stay with Ross and wake up and drive to the studio and record? Or you're about to go to Ross House and go to Ross house and go record? in a studio inside Ross's house. He's like, no, nigger Ross got a studio. I'm like, yeah, I'm going.

Because I want, I need to walk inside Rick Ross studio. Like, I need that shit to rub off from him. You feel? You got to, you got to say that that's kind of dope. Like, he could have not tried to offer you that opportunity. You could have been like, man, and I want to bring this nigga along with me,

Ross might take a liking to him and stop fucking with me. Yeah, nah. That's how some people think. See, one, you got to think, while they never came at me on some I want you to sign the me type shit. That was never Wale's vibe. While they wanted to get me a deal. Walee wanted to get me out the hood, bro.

I'm going to be honest. While they met me and he met my mother and he met those who was around me and helped me and shit, and he's seen my future. If I didn't take rap serious, Waleh was like, no, we got to help trail, get out the trenches, you know what I'm saying? So he never tried to gatekeep anything away from me.

He always took me to the big shows. I remember going on Wilden Out, Wal-A. I remember going to Florida State. He did. He performed at Florida State one time. He always took me to the crazy big shit. He never tried to gatekeep anything away from me. That's why I love him and respect him to this day because he always wanted to see me win.

Now, I forgot the whole situation. Blaine the tequila, man. It's all good. Wait, how are you laughing at all right? I even asked me. Was there a... They said there was a situation where there was like little discrepancies. Oh, shit.

You might stop. Come on. You. You're going to go. But I guess. Shai Glezy. Yeah. What was that about?

And generally, like, it's been so long. Like, I really know. It has been a little minute. If I can explain it to the best of my ability, right? This is what happened. Okay. So to put things in perspective, right? Shaglizzi had a song on MySpace before me.

Right? He did a remix to, remember your guy, he had five star chick. This is a five. Shy Grizzie had a, this was back when he was called himself gorgeous. His rap name was gorgeous then. What? Yeah. Everybody in the city know that.

Shai used to call himself gorgeous. That was his rap name. His rap name used to be gorgeous. So you used to be homicide and his name used to be gorgeous. He had a song on his mind space. You're not trolling me. No, on my son I ain't trolling him. I'm keeping him on it.

Like, I ain't even trying to be funny or, down talking about nothing he know like he used to call this off the whole city know that though okay okay yeah um so okay okay okay okay um so okay okay okay so okay so okay um I had did a remix to five star chicken he called his 30 shot clip this a 30 shot clip this a 30 shot clip right um I had reached out to him on my space and I was like well let's do a song you feel me of course I wasn't nobody. Shot from South East. He's from a neighborhood called 37th.

I'm from Northeast. I'm from East Street. You feel me? I'm not going to insinuate why he didn't do the record, but I'm going to keep it one hundred. I reached out to him to do a record. He didn't do the record, right? You know what I'm saying?

Were you not that hot? Maybe you were not? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wasn't nothing. I wasn't nobody. You feel I respect that. I reached out to him. The record ain't get done.

Cool. Boom. Fast forward a year, two years later, I don't know what happened. Fast forward a year, two years later. Now my manager asked me, yo, it's his dude name. Now he's not calling himself gorgeous no more. He's calling himself Shy Gleazy. He's like, man, dude named Shad Glissie.

He's all like coming up on the south side. I think you should do a record with him. I'm like, all right. He's like, man, he wanted to do a song with you. I'm like, all right. Now, when I go and so now we're on Facebook or I believe Twitter, when I go look at this page, I'm like, oh, this gorgeous. He used to call himself gorgeous.

Everybody ain't know who I was talking about. I was like, man, he had the remix to Five Star Chick. He had 30 shot clip on MySpace. You ain't never heard that drink? It was like, nah. I'm like, yeah, nah. You like, man, yeah, he wanted to do a song with you. I'm like, cool, let's do it.

Now, mind you, I don't know what happened, but the song never got done, right? So on the outside looking in, it looked like Fetreel reached out to Shai to do a record. The record never got done. later on shy reached out the trail the record the record never got done right so boom mind you I never forget this day this had all started on Twitter I came home from I came home to the studio from roofcress this is my first time eating at roof Chris I went on Twitter and said man I just paid 200 and some dollars to eat at roof Chris I never eat there again that was just a regular tweet right shah retweeted my shit and

was like, man, that shit cheap, that's all we eat. Right? Yeah, he tweeted was like, Yeah, yeah, I'm not knowing that I don't know what's going on, you feel? You're like, man, man, that shit, man, that's all we eat. That's how the whole, so you know me, my ego pride in the way, man, nigga, fuck it, you writing me some shit like this. So we started off going at each other on Twitter,

then that's when he dropped his diss song. Boom, he dropped his disc song, and after that, the rest of his history because you know me, I don't do disc records. I don't do disc songs. I don't do disc records. I feel as though me personally, and I'm only one person, I feel as though that's a form of evidence. So I don't do disc records.

If you go back and look into Fedrell discography or my catalog, whatever, I never did a flat-out disc record ever. So I had Aunt Lizzie on here. He spoke nothing positive about you. I know. and I was actually shocked because the way he talked about you it shook me to my core

because I said I know I know I'm not in two with everything but the way he talked let me ask you this could you could you believe it? Well I didn't believe it but I already have a perception of you so you know

he was described me in a way that I was just like maybe other people like him think like that I don't think like that right but I also do know he was at least how he describes it he was kind of like the muscle or whatever for

for shot glizzy so I'm like well who knows like maybe that's the guy who like when y'all were getting into it he got to rough you up a bit and that was also unbelievable because I'm like I feel like I would have heard about

some some shit with you before but I don't know I don't know I don't know so so he's He said that. And by the way, I don't know what's your relationship with English. He these days. Entertaining, dude.

Like, you know, he has a way with, you know, telling stories. And I'm going to be honest with him. Well, telling stories or, you know, giving his recounting of what he's going to. No, you said what you said. Telling stories. And, and play this. When people have a good laugh, fuck if we don't need to figure out all the truth. If it's true or not.

Yeah, it's a good laugh. But I'm assuming it's true, right? Like, you know what I mean? where did that come from or how did you feel when you heard that what how did i feel when what but he spoke about you like he basically was basically he said you wasn't like that he said yo i don't know why you think about this guy like that he's not like that listen listen right listen let me say this not to cut you off right first of all first of all let me say this um and disrespecting my children so when they come to speaking on him publicly i ain't gonna never

give him too much Disrespect these children? Yeah, yeah, he disrespecting them. Not on my interview, did? No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay. He went on his, went on one of his social medies and said, Fat Trello, a bitcher, I smack his kids,

he's such a bitch. I smack Fatrell kids. Once he said that, it went past trolling, so, boom, once you said that. You think he's doing content, though? Because he's funny. It don't matter. Or he's trying to be funny. It don't matter.

Disrespecting children is true, you know what I'm saying? Especially when you don't have a real reason to feel this way, you create in this offer. Did you have a run in? No. you're creating this off of internet trolling and now you made something up into your mind as to

where we have an issue and that's fine but once you disrespect to my kids I bet all bets is off so I ain't going to do too much on the internet or nothing like that right but I'm going to say this right my whole city Washington D.C. Murdering of Virginia no you know what I'm saying I didn't have my highs I didn't have my lows

right I can't find nobody who who can say man I smack trail kicked them all in his ass, whipped the dog out on him, told him, take his shoes all, take his chain. That prying will never happen. If that ever, if it ever come down to a situation like that, I'd probably be dead, bro. You know what I'm saying? But let me say this, right?

Niggas know that, one, I ain't going to do no disc record, right? Two, I ain't clearing shit up for the internet. I'm on parole, probation. I don't be doing this, speaking about real beefs and real issues on the internet. I don't do none of that. So it's easy for somebody to troll or Fet Trail because niggas know Fed Trail will never get on the internet and try to clear

anything up. That's not what I do. It goes back to my morals and principles. I never done a disc record. People didn't disrespecting me publicly to the utmost. Why not? Because these days in how people look at music, well, if you get us attention, we could then fall into music.

Right. Even if, you know, obviously that comes to police looking at. and stuff like that, but you might just have to be like, yo, listen, I'm just respond publicly and leave it alone. Yeah. So your original question was why not, right? Why not do it? Because I'm really from the street.

I'm really from the street. When you, I was bought and taught up, when you beefing with somebody, that's not the public's business. You wonder why? If this man dropped today or tomorrow, you shouldn't be pulled up as a suspect. We shouldn't be able to go to this record

and say, uh, man, I pulled it up on 57th street, shot that nigga in his face,

you shouldn't be able to pull that up if I take this shit to trial. I willingly gave you evidence.

I stand on morals and principles. When I was growing up, beefing was a secret. Only me and you

knew we beefed. I ain't go on Twitter and say, man, fuck academics. I ever see academics,

I'm slapping the fire out of them because now they're not going to book me.

I love what the people say that. I do love it. I remember me said that I was like, thank you. That's like my surety that you won't do nothing. Yeah, I ain't going to get in all that. No, no, but that's anybody who say stuff publicly, right?

What I'm saying is BET Awards, okay, for example, I remember no funny shit. I remember you and Joe interviewing Amigos on the Red Coppers or something, right? If I publicly said, man, look, I don't like the way academics report on me. I see that thing I'm going to slap the fuck out of them. BET make sure that we never walk the red carpet together.

You know what I'm saying? That's true. When technically, that ain't BETT business. If I don't agree with what you got going on, that's between me and you. It ain't the world business to know

because why I want to put myself in the best position as to where I'm going to run into academics one day. Man, that nigga keep disrespecting me and my family. You don't like people like you. Yeah.

You know why? Because I like the people. who front they move. You know, when I see when I see you, this is what's going to happen. I'm like, great, we have this on the record.

I hit, I do the nice screenshot. Like, I like that. I don't like the person who's like, yeah, wait until I see this thing

but I ain't tell nobody. I'm like, because when I see it, I'm like, never told me you got a problem. Yeah, yeah, absolutely not. I ain't knowing that, man,

you know. So, so for you, you don't look at that aspect of it, People really dying out here. Niggas really getting killed in the streets, academic. No, no, you're right.

But part of this shit is people use conflict to sell records. Of course, until they can't sell them no more. You know what I'm saying? Look at all these lyrics they brought up a young thug trial, man. Look at these lyrics, man. Look how they take the lyrics and put it next to a crime scene photo, honey shots at your Tahoe, Tahoe with bullet holes in it.

Look how they connect in the dots, man. One plus one equals two. I say that to say, you don't look at a nigger, make a mistake, and ask yourself, how can I do that mistake even better? No, you look at the mistake and say, I'll never do that. That's what you're supposed to do when you look at a nigger, make a mistake. When you see somebody, okay, you open your phone, right? Woman got locked up at LAX airport, 100 pounds of cocaine in her luggage.

You don't look and be like, ah, I'm going to put my cocaine on a carry-on bag versus a check. No, you look at that and you learn from that. Yeah, we ain't taking cocaine nowhere near the airport from here and on. You get what I'm saying? You don't look at shit and say, how can I do it better? You look at it and say, I bet when you're doing that. So I seen publicly beefing disc records. Niggas actually pushing up on shit.

Niggas getting smoked. Mothers get on the news and say, oh, my son was a good boy. He got a hundred disc. Kill him, shoot him up, bang, bang records on YouTube. Now you want to sue me. Saw a type of goofy shit going, but he said he was a gangster.

You know what I'm saying? And real gangsters don't do that. Wayne told you a long time ago, real G's moving silence like lasagna. That wasn't no punch. line, that's how the mafia really move. If you ask the nigga from the mafia what do he'd say, man, I sell toilet tissue.

But they was carjack in 18 Willers and running up on private planes and stealing gold and platinum and coins. But the niggas came home every day, man, like they fixed toilets. That's what real gangsters do. No, you're

100% right. I think we're in a time and this is why I'm giving you credit because I think people look at it to say you know, like, I'm watching this No Jumper interview. I can't remember who it was. Actually, no, I know who it was. And rest of the piece of Y, Y, Y, B, C, Dole. He went up there and he said,

hey, fuck all my ops. Fuck. Everybody from this street, this street, this street, this, and who knows if those were really Zops, but maybe those people was into it with, right? The very moment he announced it on camera, everybody tuned in. It was just like, oh, we can't stop watching this. Mr. Disrespectful.

We couldn't stop watching. But now here's the thing. For him, he probably looked at it as, hey, I got an interview with a million views now. Let me now, let me use that disrespectful time to then sell music. It's kind of like a dissong. And that's what I'm asking, because I know, rap labels who have told their artists,

yo, respond. They're not going to tell you how to respond. They kind of know your temperament. They know you can't respond with some weak shit. So they know you about response to some crazy shit. I'm a real nigga. I never say these record labels names or these A&Rs who work for these record labels.

I've been attempted. Somebody has attempted to convince me to do multiple things that go against my morals and principles to sell records and to garner attention. and to become a more successful rap. Why not do it? Why not do it? I'm asking you not of a place like I'm compromised.

I'm asking you from an industry that I see people justify why they do it. Right. So why would you deviate from what the norm seems to be? Plain and simple act, right? These is real funerals. These is real cases. Real lawyers. Real children.

growing up without parents and all that shit, right? I say that to say this. I'm from the trenches. Beef and worn, 100% I'm already with it, for sure, for sure, right? But a nigga from, I'm just saying a random place. A nigga from such-and-such-such-Strell tomorrow. You think I'm about to go to war with this nigga who created this issue out of nowhere?

We got this money on the line. We fucking bitches worldwide. We're wearing ice. We jump and we riding jet skis and riding y'all. and doing all this crazy shit, right? We're doing all this shit we never thought we imagined and we do.

So you wait till I start wearing designer, a mirror, everything, and Gucci everything for me to go load my chopstick up right now? Or not even load it up. Drop 10 chopsticks off in the trenches, man, tell them niggas go push up. Somebody ain't going to tell.

Right? Somebody's going to tell. Somebody's going to tell. Somebody's not going to want to do the time. Somebody going to feel like they ain't got on enough ice. Somebody going to feel like they ain't feel like

they ain't feel. fuck enough bitches. You know what I'm saying? You might have got a Porsche for your homie but he wanted to ride Lamborghini that day. Does that make you feel salty a little bit though? Saulty as far as

what? You watch people that play the game that they'll do that for that additional visibility or that check. Oh shit. So and so like you know I don't

want to quote no names but I see him. I've seen, you know, I run a media platform. I've seen the label sent through to this song. Yeah. I've seen that, I've seen their seething. I've seen them, they hit me because when I deal, they tell me priority today. Why?

Our guy responded in 24 hours. Right. Our guy is like that. Now, what you just mentioned, real funerals, real people. Yeah. It's real people that could pass away because of this. they kind of entice you with, well, Trout,

you're not trying to be the biggest? Yeah. You're not trying to get 10, 20 mil? Yeah. What's the worth of, what's the use of $30 million of all my real friends, right? My real friends, who I grew up with from the ground up,

not my industry friends who I met along the road. You know what I'm saying? Because I met the chief keeps in Chicago. I met the Kirkkeeps in Chicago. I met the Kirkland. Burkobains in Houston. You know what I'm saying?

I met the... All these dudes, right, I met the YGs and mustard. I met them during my time in LA, right? You want me to have $20 million and share it with these fucking strains. I don't know who none of these niggas is. You know what I'm saying? These niggas can wake up and finesse scammy, kill me to deal tomorrow,

and all my real friends is dead or locked up with 40-year sentences, 80-year sentences. Mind you. Excuse me. me before rap already got friends with 30 years sentences, 88 years, 49 years, 36 years,

19 years, already got friends with these real sentences. So what use is getting money and getting into this situation for what? So we could further our enterprise? Are you not watching a YSEL RICO trial every day? No evidence.

Zero, none. No evidence. Rumors and lies. Rums and lies. Rumors and lies. Rumors and lies. No evidence. This man fighting for his life, man. Now you really got the government saying, oh, man, Jeffrey Williams is a big mob boss killer from Atlanta. Where's the evidence that proved this? And, like, as the case go on, there's literally no evidence. You're about to get this man life over rumors? And y'all are dead serious, pressing the issue. The lead DA just put out a statement that let the prosecutor know, I know you're doing a bad job. But trust me, You ain't going to lose your job. And don't worry, we're behind you. Get this job done. Send them to prison. Nigger ain't even do shit.

I see if niggas was... They ain't even do shit. You pay attention to it? Like, I'm surprised you even know about that. Come on, man. Look, man. I'm a real nigger, right, act. I make rap music.

I raise my kids. Have a little fun on the side. But I pay attention to what the fuck is going on. I just did three years in federal prison and one year in a state penitentiary. Right? I did three years fair time, one year in the state pen. That's what I was going to ask you, because I feel like even your demeanor and everything you're saying to me now is just realizing that this is red pill, blue pill, right?

You could come back out and while out and probably make three, four times the amount of money you make it now. Yeah, a lot of my friends is going to die. A lot of my friends are going to go to people. prison. I could possibly die. My mother could. You know, people, I ain't

going to use no specific rapper's names, right? I learned my lesson from doing that. You hear about the rappers getting shot and all that. You don't hear about his mother got shot. You don't hear about that. You don't hear about, and they smoked his nephew. Five-star recruit,

he was going to Alabama next year. What shit, he's some kin of academics. Fuck him. Get him out of the way. Yeah, that's how bad. I hate you, dog. If I see your nephew, I'm smoking her. If I see your niece, I'm going to get her gang raped on the train. That's how, this is what come with this shit.

You feel me? Because you're not in the trenches. You're in Beverly Hills, drinking lean, and popping bottles with Justin Bieber on us. You don't, you're not dead with them. You get what I'm saying? So. You make sense. How real of a nigger are you?

See, I'm the type of nigger, right? You can't put no amount of money on my, you can't put, You can't oppress me with money. You get what I'm saying? I say that to say, my money being long ain't worth my lifespan being shorter. Let me ask you about that

because the time you spent incarcerated, what did you learn? What did you learn in those situations whether rightly or wrongly how you got there? What did you learn having to spend that time

incarcerated? one of the main reasons I wanted to talk to you. I'm like, yo, to me, you wanted them legends. Thank you. I appreciate that too. To me, some people, and I don't care if this is on YouTube anywhere, they're going to see this. They're going to be like, uh, they might hear it up.

I'm like, y'all, it's unfortunate I got to say, but if you weren't there, maybe you weren't there. But like, your music career got cut down by some. issues. Of course. Like, you know, we don't got to sit here and pinpoint it, but without some of those issues that were setbacks, we're probably having this conversation about a lot of different things. Absolutely. And that has to weigh on a man. Absolutely. And how, you know, regrets a hell of a thing. Absolutely. Because, you know, as we go through life, you get you get one opportunity to make decisions, right?

For example, say, I don't know, I'm walking down an alley. I get slapped by a crackhead. Right. But I got a gun in my bag. I shoot them. My whole life just changed. We're going down a different path. You got incarcerated a couple times.

Absolutely. And I think certain people looked at and be like, if you ain't get incarcerated there, bro, like you would be, how do you rationalize that how do you think about all that um outside of my incarceration right I saw a lot of things

you got to understand who fetro of the person is right fetcher of the person I'm a cancer I was born June 261990 naturally I'm a caregiver I'm a lover right you my dog I love you dog you're my bitch

I love you. You're my friend, you my neighbor. I love you. That's naturally. Right? I wasn't willing to sacrifice me and my friends, my immediately family, for a dollar because money is paper. You know what I'm saying? Our bond is priceless.

You feel what I'm saying? I'm not willing to put us in a situation as to where I can make $30 million. Okay, look, you sit in a room. I'm going to give you a better example. You sit in the room with your friends, right? Let's say you plus five of your friends, right? And somebody walking to the room and say, hey, act. I'm going to promise you $50 million in the next 10 years.

But everybody in this room will die except for you and one person of your choice. Would you take the money? Absolutely not. People say, oh, man, Dirk's scared. He turned a Muslim. Oh, he praying a lot. or he want to be positive. Nah, dog, it's enough death.

It's enough. I'm paying lawyer fees. I'm sending you commissary money. I'm making sure your children got book bags, Jordans, pencils, notebooks, paper, got their head done, shape up.

I'm making sure all these things are my children. Let me ask you a question. Was there a moment that you thought, I don't know, I like to ask. this question because me, I'm a person, I do have faith, but I also think being incarcerated exists to break you as a person, to break your soul, to strip you off that pride and ego.

At any time when you were either locked up where you felt like you were going here and then dragged you back there. Did you feel like defeated? Like it's over? Like to the regular person watching, they can't even understand what it's like to just wake up in a cell

for multiple years. Not knowing where your future's going to lie when you're going to get out. How do you maintain sanity? All right, well, you just ask me two questions. So which one would you prefer me? All right, so first, How do I maintain sanity?

I wake up and put one foot in front of the other. You feel me? Wake up, get on the phone. Call baby girl. Check on the kids. See how your friends and family members doing. That's first and foremost. Secondly, you know what I realized when I,

my more mature self when I went to prison? Who will protect my kids, man? I got three kids, two baby mothers out there. My first baby mother passed away in 2010. I've been a single parent for 14, going on 15 years. A lot of people don't notice. My baby mother died back into, my first baby mother died in 2010 from a heart attack. I found out I was a father at 20 years old.

My daughter was already three. My baby mother was already dead. I didn't miss the death, the funeral, everything. My mother called me, pulled up to the crib here. You got three old. And it's a girl. Like what? No, you got a three-year-old girl.

Come on. She wrote it in her diary. You want to take the test. Take the test. But this your daughter. Damn, where are at? She did. She died.

Her grandmother, too old to raise her. It's on you. Right? So, boom. I've been a single parent for that long. That's first and foremost. Now when I get locked up, right? Who going to protect my daughter?

Who going to do it? You know what I'm saying? Now you get to the age where you realize the decisions that you're making, it's not just about you no more, dog. You feel me? God forbid, DJ academics go to jail tomorrow. What your dog going to do? What a camera?

This is going to start selling cameras. Start selling arts. You know what I'm saying? He'll start thinking for themselves, man. Act ain't never coming home. It's over with it. You get what I'm saying? So the decisions that you make,

It's not just about you no more. And I believe that that's what come with being a grown man. That's what come with being an adult. Thinking for others. You feel me? You tell yourself when you go out and you drive, when you drive, you ain't driving just for yourself. You got to drive for some people on the road too.

Because motherfuckers don't know how to drive. Well, that's early day life. You got to think for others. Man, fuck that. That nigga's a bitch-ass. I'm telling you, I smack the shit out that nigga if I see him. All right, well, you probably ain't going to do that in real life, number one. but number two, should I go off on the limb

and start posting all my guns and chopsticks on Instagram knowing that these people watch me? Should I start doing that? That one be good. Absolutely not. So it's about what you want to do. And that's the question you got to ask yourself. Prison humbled me, man, for real.

It really humbled me. Humbles you in what way? Because I've heard people who said, they even came on this podcast say, Yeah This was a couple years ago I ain't going back and forth At you too much

If I'm making a point You're saying some dumb shit You ain't been there with me like that nigga What's up? What we doing? It's a lack of conversation And I was like, hmm, that's interesting You gotta understand too act

You keep wondering with you A lot of these niggas just want to go viral On camera A lot of these niggas just want to get their cloud up A lot of these niggas bookings are slow. These niggas ain't really getting the money that they claim that they is.

They ain't really making the money that they pretend that they're making. You know what I'm saying? A lot of these niggas just really want to go viral, bro. And it's sad, but it's the gods on is true. Niggas is chasing clout more than they're actually chasing a real dollar right now.

Because they look at clout as that's bigger than money right now. Well, I mean, and I think this is where, like, you know, this is an interesting, like, inflection point even for you, right? Cool. You're on the end of your act. You could come on here and be like, man, let me just tell you what really happened. This happened.

My homie shot this nigga right here. Why am I going to lie to you? Keep it real. We shot at that. That other nigga who's been dissing, he dissing me? Yeah, you thought we did nothing. Yeah, I ain't say nothing. Shot him three times.

Ask him where his car is at. The little red sable he used to drive it or whatever. That mercury. Like we handled that. Absolutely. And I'm not going to lie. Everybody would be really intrigued. I don't be honest with you.

And again, tell me if I'm wrong. I'm putting it towards, you know, you've done some time and just realize, why the fuck would you ever go on a podcast and go say that shit? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Or maybe you just knew that from the get-go, but I do know now, let me tell you this. I be watching some podcasts and, you know, even, you know, people love to say, yo, the Warrenshire record was crazy.

Yeah, I was going off what people were tweeting. Right. Yeah, yeah, no, because niggas been saying a lot of tipping. Yeah. Wild crazy shit on the net. King Vaughn was one of the craziest. Oh, yeah. He spoke his mind.

But let me say this, right? Not to go off track, right? Let me say this, right? All jokes aside, right? On some real shit. Let's use Sosa, for example, right? We first started rapping. A lot of people thought Sosa was from DC.

A lot of people thought Trell was from Chicago, right? Yeah, the diss songs dropped at the perfect time. And this dude, you got a hit, this song dropped. Wow, wow, we blow up. Man, it's millions on the line, pop, pop, pop, pop, whatever happened, whatever went on, right? There's so many niggas dead and gone. These are real people that are dead and gone, bro.

A lot of times people look at entertainers and look at rappers and it's like, yo, this is just somebody who I support on my iPhone. I might go see them in concert. I may never go support them in concert. A lot of rappers don't act like that, though. You see what you tell me right now? A lot of rappers don't act like they feel pain and hurt and suffer from grief and laws. It's a part of their facade.

Oh, yeah. My best friend died last night. Fuck it, man. That's what comes to. the game. It's the life we chose. I remember covering the Warren Shirek. Man, again, I didn't even know.

Yo, when G.B.E. Cappell passed, and I remember when I'm on Twitter and people were tweeting out of the last moments of his life, man, I shed a tear. I was like, yo, this is fucked. People made fun of me because I was recorded myself on a plane on the way to Cap's funeral. And I was crying on a plane. They made that a viral moment. front of me, but I was really crying because

Cap was actually a good dude with great energy. I ain't never met a nigger from the trenches, right? I'm from the trenches. I ain't never in my life met a nigga from the trenches who hooked me up, excuse me, with their real family member. That never happened to me before a day in my life. I'm just giving you a small example of how Capo was, right?

Cap was like, man, I ain't gonna lie, man. I want you to fuck with my cousin, dog. I'm like, so, you know, it threw me off. I'm like, what you mean, bro? Offering up your car. He's like, nah, like, I'm telling you, Glees. I feel your vibe. I feel your energy.

I know you ain't going to fuck my cousin around. Like, even if you don't want to take her serious, I know you would be real enough to keep it 100 with her like that. I'm just giving you an example of what type of duty was, you feel? Because I see the things that you was reporting on, like, you know, when he was popping up at the restaurant

with the ski ass and all. You know what I'm saying? And like I said, Crowder's a hell of a truck. And it was a lot of beef and little turmoil and shit going on. But I say that to say, that was a good nigger,

you know, that was a good nigger. He crossed the street to see them dudes to take a picture in one of the most dangerous cities in America. Niggas hot dogs are like, hey, maybe try to get a picture.

In his heart, he knew he wasn't supposed to go try to take that picture. But at the same time, I'm from the trenches, man. Niggas want my picture. He want to go take the picture.

and it went down like how I went down you feel what I'm saying but I say that to say niggas lost real people in this shit dog and you might look at blood money as a character who are you where are you from bitch on glows you dog listening to the rap music oh man that was a real good genuine nigga

man I woke up four in the morning my smoke alarm went off right smoke alarm go off I wake up this is when I had my one bare room apartment in Hollywood. Black testament to this shit, I walk up in the kitchen. I'm like, fuck. Blood money in the kitchen. Drunk and shit. My bag,

bleach, man. I try to make some french toast and I ain't never made french toast before, man. These is the memories that I have with these dudes. You feel what I'm saying? But to you or not you or to you or whoever on the internet. I get it. No, I get it. That's just blood money from Chicago.

go like that so's a cut. And like, nah, they ain't like that. You're explaining to me why, why, why a disc song ain't just fucking entertainment for people like me. I get it. Yeah. You're making sense. Absolutely.

You're making so much sense. Absolutely. And you can get tricked by the power of a dollar because the dollar is real. The dollar can buy you Lamborghinisies. It could buy you bust down cubas. It could do all that for you. But at what price? It's all a testament to what type of man is you really?

Is you really the type of nigga who, you're willing to get rich by any means necessary, meaning are you willing to sacrifice your friends and your family to wear designer clothes and drive fast cars? Or are you willing to slow down and say, nah, what good is this if I can't share it with y'all? I'd rather share this with y'all.

I'd rather have $2 million and share it with my dogs. Then they have $50 million and share it with strangers and a bunch of undercover homosexuals doing a bunch of wild geeky. crazy shit. No disrespect, you know what I'm saying, but it's being honest. It's a lot of things I'm not willing to do for the power of a dollar. I'm just not willing to do it.

What's meant for me, I get that. I might not never buy a jet, but I can work hard to make sure we could fly on a jet one day. We could ride a jet one day, but I might not never make it to the point where I could purchase a jet, but we can hustle and work hard and stay true to ourselves and get on a jet,

kick our feet up, pop bottles, get my dick suck, all type of shit on the jet. But I might not never purchase that jet personally. Because I ain't willing to compromise my integrity as a man in order to be able to purchase that jet. And I'm fine with that.

Man. You've given me like just a new perspective. I've been through it like I didn't beat the murder indictments. I didn't beat all this shit. You feel me? A couple of my homies and lost. A couple of my homies then got killed.

I didn't lost. I lost my best friend, my little brother. My little brother got killed while I was incarcerated. Boosa the shooter. I think you might have said some little small comments on Boosa 2 back in the day, but you always knew him to be my little brother. That was my little. That was

the walker flock of the Gucci. That's who Boosa the shooter was, the Fed Trail. How did that impact you? What was those moments like? man I lost him while I was in prison I lost him over some small paper as to where I know that shit

ain't nothing to him you know what I'm saying it was more so about the principal but I know that that shit wasn't about nothing to him I missed the funeral I had to watch my dogs get his hair done

buy his outfit pick the casket out mind you I'm in the feds I got an iPhone So I'm on a I'm on FaceTime With why we getting all this shit together How do you like How do you process Like are you trying to make decisions

A lot of niggas ain't never buried their brothers man A lot of niggas ain't never got their brother head done for the last time Niggas ain't never did shit like that bro It's so It fucked me up I'm gonna be honest with you So I started growing my hair out When I was doing Warren Shack I had

I would just had I could get like just a little fade or like I just had waves really I've grown my hair up probably over the last I think two years or so and I'm looking up videos I'm looking up videos I'm like all right because I like to do shit myself so I'm looking up people whatever whatever and I'm looking up people who could do whatever style and I look up this one video and this is a woman and she says she said I'm doing my bro here for the last time and I'm thinking oh this is like This is like one of permanent hair style

because I'm over here thinking my hair keep coming out. Right. And she's at a funeral home. And she said, my brother got killed. And my job is to get him right for a funeral. I'm going to be honest with you.

I couldn't really watch the video. And I never, it brought me down a deep rabbit hole because I never thought about ever that. I said, wait. there's people who have to get the person who deceased hair, right? And, like, I think everybody think about the makeup, but I'm like, like, she was there explaining it in tears.

And I said, damn, she's fucked up. Absolutely. When you think about funeral is right, you got to get their head done, shape up, whatever. Their hands going to always show. You got to get up on them, clip their fingernail. You got to really take care of them for the last time. And it dawns on you, you feel me?

Especially if me, for example, I'm going to use me and only me, right? We was born poor. We ain't had it growing up. We ain't had that shit, you feel me? So, yeah, of course the slogan is, get rich a dot trying, and that may be true, right? But when you put yourself in a position as to where you go to Manhattan and you sit down in this room with this label and they're like, yo, I mean, what, shit, if you take this route, I'm going to use God rest, so I hate to do it,

but I'm just keeping it in the honey. Yo, man, I mean, if you take the King Vaughn route, like, shit, man, we could, yo, we could have you us. The fuck as you mean, take the King Vaughn route, man. King Vaughn dead, man. What the fuck is you talking about, homes? Is you serious? All you're going to do is sign a piece of paper,

and you're going home to your mansion or your condo in lower Manhattan or up Eastside Jersey or however the fuck you live in. Nigel, we got to really go back to the trenches and stand on these mixtapes and these discrets. We got to go stand on this shit, man. All y'all doing is profit in millions

and millions of dollars and you put a sneaky $2 million, $3 million in my pocket. Well, what is $3 million when you made $47 off of it? Then you got a nerd. If I get sentenced for a shooting, you're going to send a letter.

You have made $40 million off me. You can't come to my city and come to the sentencing in person. $500 flight, $250 hotel, that's $750. Uber to the courthouse, $60. That's $810. You can't spend $900 to come see me at my sentencing when you've made $40 million off of me as an artist, me waging this war publicly on Instagram and on YouTube.

When did you realize that? Because I think a lot of people, I can't use no name specifically. I've been realized it. I've been realized it. I've been realized it. Long live, Dorf. Recipes Dolf.

He got killed in Memphis. He got shot a long time ago. Where was he? Los Angeles. Hollywood. Charlotte, then Hollywood. No, he got shot at in Charlotte, allegedly. He got shot at in Charlotte.

Yeah. He got shot. This is that we, know with medical records and all that. He got shot in Hollywood. I say that to say this shit could go down anywhere, bro. Anywhere at any

time. Is it really worth it? I'm talking about publicly doing this shit, though. Like publicly doing this shit. Think about it, man. Absolutely not. I mean, absolutely not. But I will say this, right? Why are you off the record with DJ academics?

Like I told you, I might not never see you again. I never be able to sit down in. I haven't said, no, we'll... But I'm just keeping the one on it. But let me say this, right? I could have been at minimum

$15 million up and multiple records and multiple shit on billboard charts and shit if that's what I wanted to do. I ain't going to say too much, but let me say this. I could have been at minimum $15 or $20 million up

and on multiple billboards and charts if I was willing to go with the storyline that the label provided. If you were willing to crash out, I think you would have got, well, I think now survival is not in that. Like the,

the money anticipation doesn't include survival. But if you was a crash out, and I've actually even told, you know, I interviewed this younger rapper recently from Chicago, over here and I told him I said hey listen I don't know if you guys are making drill music anymore

because it's not even treated like that or it monetized like that it's monetized as crash out music it's meant for okay we know enough why you're going to die for this cause and when you die for this cause

or you go to jail forever for this cause for whatever you had going on we own the music. So then think about the conversations we're having then. Absolutely. And I looked at that and I'm like, yo, there's a new monetization for labels for crashouts. Because if you go crash out,

you know who owns your master's for all this time. Absolutely. And they're going to continue to own your masters until your estate try to fight it way later. The record labels. The record labels. The people. who never got a step foot on Benning Road.

I will never come to Washington, I might come to Washington, D.C. and go to the Capital One arena to watch my artists perform, but I'll be watching from a suite up in the sky. By the way, that's another reason why I could never criticize Dirk and even Sosa. People want, when we'd be like, oh, well, why Dirk, why Dirk looking towards religion? Oh, you want to see him crash out. You want to see him go out in a blaze of glory.

Oh, nah, I keep really wasn't like that. I didn't know he went to L.A. He would have stayed on O Block and really got it up with him. You want to see him go out in a blazer glory. A blaze of glory. You want to see him die long live salsa. Come on, man. Cut it out.

Listen, you know, for example, right? My homie, baby mother called me the other day I said, man, I need you to talk to Lord Durrell, right? Lord Durrell is Busa's son. I say, what's going on? Such and such happened at school. I ain't going to say the situation what happened at school, right? And I had my own shit going on, right?

On this day, I was too busy to deal with it, right? I hung up the phone, I looked in the mirror and I said, you know what? What the fuck else you're going to do, dog? Boosa dead and gone. take this call, handle this situation, give them this advice,

if you got to pull up, pull up. Whatever you got to do, you got to do it, dog. He's dead and gone. No matter what you're thinking in your mind right now, it's not going to happen.

They called you. It's your responsibility. You're your brother's keeper, right? All right? Well, they need you. That's when reality hit. Damn, I miss my dog. I got to get a little nephew

some advice and I know he'd rather hear from his father but his father ain't never come that's when shit gets real that's what the labels don't know about that's what the YouTubers and the blogs they don't see none of that when your homie baby mother called and something real life

is really going on that's when shit get real dog and this is what we're not glorifying we're not glorifying that there's a lot of people left behind behind this shit bro you feel me when the man goes to the man

goal was to rap, have fun and have sex and buy jewelry and buy nice cars and fly around the world. That was the main goal. There's no way you pose a rap and gain new ops. How the fuck do that work? Yeah, that is confusing. How do that work, bro? Why am I beefing

with a nigger from Nebraska? From D.C., dog? What are my beefing with a nigger from Nebraska? Man, I'm supposed to be making money buying bitches' tit jobs. Getting bitch's veneers fixed. Buying tummy tucks over here.

Buying little hunders for my little side. Bitch who go to community college. Don't nobody know about it. But the pussy good and the head is off the charts. She deserve a little pathfinder. A little Nissan John. Yeah, I mean? This is what we're supposed to be doing, though.

Instead, man, I just drop 80,000 on the appeal lawyer. 40,000 on this lawyer. You ready to go to trial next. year. 15,000 on a funeral. Now I got to buy my dogs, kids, shoes, early back to school year, book bags,

notepads, pencils, pens. That ain't high as opposed to work, dog. How do you remedy that, though? Because I've always thought that the streets have, the streets have turned into a thing that says if you're from the streets, you have to accept losing.

You have to accept doing things the way of redundancy. But as long as everybody's going to look at you, look at you, be like, yeah, yeah, I know he wasted 200 grand on X, Y, Z. But I think you're a real nigga, though. You're a real nigga. Like, he ain't never, he ain't never switch up. He ain't never question nothing. Ain't nothing real about that.

Let me tell you why, right? when I put you in a position to fight this case or whatever, right? I put you in some shit, you got to stand on it, right? When I take this $200,000 to put it up on your lawyer or your case, guess who I'm taking $200,000 away from?

It hits. My children. My children. Now I'm taking food out of my children's mouth. You get what I'm saying? To help fight for your funeral, your case, whatever. You want some children.

Sabash, that's why you out to feds because it's shit cranking right now. Dog, it's unnecessary. You feel me? So at what point as a man do you ask yourself, what the fuck am I doing right now?

I'm hustling backwards. Yeah, I'm making money. I got money coming in, but money coming in, money going out. True. We ain't saving to buy 20 McDonald's

all across America Rita's ice cream shop We ain't, man What you're investing in? Shit I'm investing my money In lawyers and killers and shooters And I ain't gangster man

Niggins out here buying horses And acres and ranches and farms And building motherfucking Shelters for pregnant teenagers right now That's gangster, nigga You're right Let me see the tequila man

Don't get lost in the sauce I You're right I got you I'll leave Hold your room The bathroom I think piss

Seven times out of ten If you drink Lane You pop perks I'm gonna keep it Nameless But

I've seen A rapper Like his 24 hour Like drug His like Palet And I'm like

Yo That is crazy I feel like You've You've probably learned a lot About life While I being in carccom

Yeah What books did you read? What did you learn about yourself and what did you probably say to yourself to be like, hey, listen, trying not to repeat this again? That's a great question. I'm going to tell you why.

One of you answer the first two questions. What books did I read and what did I learn about myself? I'm going to answer that question first. One, a few of my favorite authors are John Grisham, Lee Child, Eric Jerome Dickey And James Patterson Those are four

My favorite authors, right? I read all those books I read a lot up on law London law Federal laws and state laws So I know that You can make a right on red in Maryland But you can't make a right on red in New York

A smell of odor of marijuana Is probable cause the search in Virginia, but it's not a probable cause of search in New York. You know what I'm saying? You learn laws and shit like that, right? Why were you learning that? Was it pertain to your case or you started to just get fascinated by law? Because, I mean, quote, quote, breaking the law got you incarcerated. Right. I wanted to read up on law because I knew that I wasn't like every inmate that I was locked up around. I actually travel.

You get what I'm saying? So I actually do shows in Miami, New York, South Carolina, Tennessee. I've done shows in Arkansas, Montana. I never thought I'd do a show in Milwaukee, but I did. And you learn the laws from different states. Because ultimately, when you get arrested, it all boils down to what you're going to allow. You feel me? When you get pulled over, it'll go my license of registration.

You're not allowed, would you put me over, sir, for speeding? All right says, you put me over for speeding. You're not allowed to ask me about my tents. You're not allowed to ask me, can you search my vehicle? This is a traffic violation. I've spared, you caught me, give me your proof, let me sign my ticket, and I'll see you in court as to where me and a judge are making an arrangement to pay for my traffic violation.

Once you know the law, it's certain things that they can't do or say to you. So I was fascinated with that because I, knew that I traveled a lot. I'm all around America. I'm doing shows everywhere. So I needed to know the law. It's kind of interesting, bro. Like, you live the fucking hell of a life, man.

But I've seen a lot of growth and learning, which I feel like I've met so many people who refuse to learn and grow. What's your demeanor towards that? I feel like you met a lot of people who refuse to learn and grow because that was the cool thing to not learn and grow. It's cool to be ignorant. It's cool to be the nigger who show all his guns on Instagram live and stand on business

when it comes to pulling up to my concert. I'm shooting at fans because I'm living like that. It's cool to do that. That's the cool thing to do. It's hard to show you that I'm intelligent. and I care about my friends. It's hard to do that. I seen this thing online.

What happened with the MasterPee situation? So I have seen, it looked like business to work out with y'all. I see Master P. He made a video. He said, he said, I should be exempt from criticisms from younger artists. I think that was a term.

So whatever you say, said about him and he felt so offended he's just like, why the hell am I still dealing with this? Well, first and foremost, he spoke on me first. Somebody asked him, yo, where's Fat Trail at? He was like, Trell was in a rush

to get a deal. You know what I'm saying? He wanted to wootty, wootty, wooty, I ain't going to get too deep into it, but he spoke on me first. That's first thing first. Set the record straight. He spoke with me first. I forgot I was station or whatever it was. When I first met,

Master P, we were supposed to do a movie. That's it. Simple and plain. That's the honest to God true. We were supposed to do a movie. No music, just a movie. Yeah, no music at all. None, or at least that wasn't discussed. Movie never got done.

A lot of music got made. Mind you, you Master P. He'll legend. Music, that's cool. But I found out that one of the tapes, and it's being honest, One of the tapes is being sold on iTunes And I wasn't aware of that I didn't sign the paperwork for that to happen I didn't agree with it

And I spoke up on it Simple and plain I ain't even gonna get too deep into it But I ain't never told a lie on that man Not once And his son even reached out to me And was like, I appreciate you for One, not slander in his name

But two, keeping it real at the same time Because I ain't going to slander him Let me just keep it wondering Did you feel offended? Just by the, you know... I felt offended that it was a tape or a project or a body of work online that was being sold

and ain't had no parts in the decision making when it came to that. And of course, I wasn't wreaking no benefits from that. Absolutely, I felt some type of way about that. For sure. Would you reconcile with him? Would I? Yeah.

That's a great question. It depends on what's all involved with the reconciliation. What is reconciled with him involved? I think the terms of the reconciliation. Mutual apology. You say, hey, listen, I shouldn't have went there. He says, I shouldn't did this to you. But both of you, I realize that what's the point of getting into it?

into it with each other. Well, at the same time, there was music sold. Okay. If music sold, then what? Money is made. I could talk that out. So if you include it, you said, would I be willing to

reconcile that old? I'm the type of nigger. The streets know this, the industry knows this, everybody knows this. I ain't taking no nigger to court. I ain't suing no nigger. Yeah, I might be fucked I with you about that paper, but you can count on, I ain't taking you to court.

A lot of comments are going to say he's stupid is business. Sue him, he owes you, get it. I understand all that. I don't believe in putting them Kragger's nose in where they knows don't belong. That's just not how I move. You know what I'm saying?

I don't believe in that. Whether it be suing or not, you know you're wrong. Let's sit down, let's go over a way to make it right. If we can't do that, no, I ain't taking you to court. I'm a gangster. I ain't taking you to court. I ain't suing you.

I ain't doing it. I wasn't raised like that. I agree with that. Oh, shit. Okay. What was the decision like to leave MM and how did that go? I never left MMG. I got incarcerated number one.

Number two, business-wise. Let me set the record straight. People think that when like business contracts in, that there's automatically confrontation. That's not the case. If a business deal in, it don't mean that it's a confrontation involved. Example, your cameraman, he controlled camera number two, right?

His contract might be up. He even filmed his 100 episode, and there was time to renegotiate his contract. You might be like, you're willing to pay you this going forward. But such a such company reached out to him and said, they're willing to pay him this going forward. He got to make a business decision.

I'm going with the most money. Is it convenient for me to get to work less traffic? Is the school good? Health insurance? They take all that shit into consideration. So when you make a new business decision, it will have to be beef. It had to be confrontation.

It just means that like, yo, wise guy crossed. We had some negotiations. And financially and respectfully, it makes more sense for me to go right here. And same for the record labels, man. Financially, respectfully, it makes more sense for us to go right here. It don't mean you a relationship in. I agree. I agree.

Sometimes you got to break it down like that so real niggas can't understand. I did have a couple rapid ones. Let's do it. I know you. I know you ain't really, really even get down to the thicker what you want to ask. Let's do it. I know. I know some curveball.

Come on, man. I know what's going on. You know me a little bit too well. I'm ready. A second. Okay. So we cleared up the Massapid thing. All right.

We definitely talked about what happened with, you know, some of maybe just D.C.'s people like feeling disgruntled. And even the, the English. Lizzy stuff. Hold on a second. There's a moment, and I think when did you get shot? When I got shot, I wasn't even

a robber. Yeah. Between, because you told the story of you coming up, and then you being 15. Yeah. And then we kind of skipped a little bit because then you're like a grown man in the game. Yeah, yeah, because the conversation shifted. Yeah.

The moment if you get in. shot did that change how like you were kind of realizing that you know because that's a mortality type of thing you maybe like you hey listen I mean fuck whoever did it to it did it to you right but it's just like

yo you have to focus on other things if you do want to survive because the streets is kind of unrelenting right like you know I mean it's it's you know you might have your day today somebody might have their day another time but it's never really about lifelong winners and losers, right?

So was that a moment that was like a reality check? Kind of just like how, you know, when you saw those, you saw that dead body of two, it was. Yeah. Great question. When I got shot, due to the bare rest, I wrote more lyrics, yeah. What did you get shot, by the way? What do you mean?

Where? Where on my body? Yeah. I got shot in the back of my right leg. So one of the first things the doctor first told me was, I don't know if you know if the football player Sean Taylor. He went to the University of Miami, he played for the redskins.

He was a big safety for the redskins. One of the most well-known popular safeties for the red scans. He had a home invasion in his house. He got killed, right? He died from a leg shot. Yeah. Because he got shot in the back of his right leg and then hit some type of mane

artery or vein or whatever they called it, right? The doctor described my shot as, hey, man, you're lucky, man. You got shot in the same place Sean Taylor got shot, man. So when they go to that wound, it's always like, hey,

Sean Taylor didn't survive. He was a healthy, strong, millionaire NFL football player. That's how they played. Like, yo, you a nigga who do drugs, drink lean, pop purse all day. You got shot in the same. place that Sean Taylor got shot, but you survived.

He didn't, and he healthy and strong. Like, that's the way they looked at the womb. You know what I'm saying? When it happened, it was like, when he told me, it was like, oh, I bet so boom, I escaped death. Damn, I got shot in the same spot that Sean Taylor got shot at. But at the same time, it was like, fucking, I'm still alive. The day must go on.

Life goes on. So I kept it pushing. For sure. Wow. currently who are you know because I seen you on a media run which you know I think you're a great example of showing people what not crashing out is absolutely I was interviewing this guy from Chicago recently and I had to tell him I said bro I don't think there's drill music no more I'm making music that it's just crashing out for the sake of crashing out yeah in drill music people do crash out.

But there's a round of reason. Real quick, though, real quick. It's not for the sake of crashing out. They're crashing out for the sake of cloud. Even worse. Right. So go ahead and continue. I ain't one control.

I just wanted to say that. So I was saying that I was just like, yo, listen, everything hits differently these days because your motive seems to be recognition in cloud. And when people were covering some of the stuff before

that arguably, and I think you agree, don't really belong in music and media. But at least when they were covering it, it wasn't a thing that people are saying, oh, no, no. This is what we want in the forefront. You know, and Crash House would happen because of circumstances that already existed. These days, I feel like crashouts are happening just be like, yo. Circumstances that they create as they go along. Or the views are down for today.

Yeah. It's kind of crazy. You don't they so? Listen, man. One plus one it gives two out. It ain't too much I'm sitting on these cameras and say it because I'm a man at the end of the day. You feel me? I didn't been on.

You're Vlad or hate you? Huh? Vlad would hate you. Yeah. That's probably why I ain't had a Vlad interview yet. You got to spell it out. Yeah. Right.

And I'm not willing to do that. I ain't willing to do that. You know what I'm saying? I ain't willing to do that. You feel me? That's what I love about myself because I know that there's certain rooms I'm not going to be allowed

and I know it's going to be certain hands I'll never shake because you can't get me to do that. So when they see a nigga like me, they're like, ah, we can't mold that into what we want to. You feel me? You can't go too too viral off Fedrell

because Fatrell won't allow it. I ain't going to say nothing too crazy. I'm not doing that. You know what I'm saying? Y'all know y'all wrong, but it's millions involved. So I feel you. Where?

I ain't no whistleblower, but I ain't participating either. I respect it. My business. It made my money and get the fucking on. Hey, number one, I, you know, I feel like there's so much more to the story that we're just scratching the surface. And if you want a part two, just say that. You don't know. Stop playing.

No, of course you want a part two. If you want a part two, just say that. I know what it is. Of course. Of course, we're just scratching the surface. You know, for me, I'm really interested in your story because when I was covering you a lot of times, I made up a persona of you based on what I seen, what I heard.

And I never ever got or allowed myself to get nuanced from people to be like, well, yeah, nah, well, both could be true. Yeah, that's not the negative. that nobody want to fuck with. But he got kids, he got family, he's hospitable. He's a really good person.

It was either villains and heroes. And a lot of times, sometimes when people are looking from things from a bird's eye perspective and they're not close enough, we look at it as villains and heroes. Well, what are you today? Are you the villain or the hero

when it might be like, no, that's just not how life is. So that's one of the reasons 100% We got to get beyond the surface I do want to ask about music though Because I've watched you over the last few months

I'm seeing you're still fighting You're still pushing What you got going on You talk to me I just dropped an album called Booth's Keeper Man for the streets you feel me The deluxe to Boosters Keepers is coming November the 22nd

You feel me And I'm always, I'm a Washingtonian in that heart. I represent the streets. I represent the trenches, the have-nots. So I'm going to forever speak on that. That's what I am and that's who I've always been since the beginning act. And that's what I want you to understand too, right? While I got you right here, let me say this.

Go ahead, talk to you. When it come down to the music, right? We speak on a lot of things. We throw hoods up. We say a lot of disrespectful things. We say a lot of respectful things, right? We're speaking for the area that we come from, the streets that we represent.

We might not necessarily think that it's cool, but we got to get this message across because this is why I chose to protect myself on this day. You feel me? Niggas got all type of charges, gun charges, whatever you got going on. I ain't never been arrested for violence. I always been arrested for violence.

for protecting myself, but I got to protect myself at all costs. You feel me? Because the day you might choose not to, might be the day that you want to go to the dealership and buy a car. You feel me? Rest and peace, X, man. He woke up one day, wanted to buy a motorcycle. Lost his life.

You feel me? Long live, X. Yep. We all have those days. I wake up sometimes. I ain't got no more cigarettes in my pack. I want to go down the street and get a pack of cigarettes. Do you?

Of course. But I say that to say, I say that to say, before I answer your question, I say that shouldn't cost me my life. That's what I'm saying. True. You know what I'm saying? So it come a time where I get it. You're on the outside looking there.

But yo, we're human too. Nigger, we run out of toilet paper, nigger. We do. That's not about to wake you up out of your sleep to go. bring me some toothpaste dog I just woke up man I ain't got no twopaste sometimes you just want to shoot down the street you'll get you some toothpaste

see a pretty bitch walk past damn baby what's up oh my god yeah what's up take my number damn gone but I just popped out to grab some toothpaste real quick I shouldn't have to call up my security team headquarters meet me at the crib 10 a.m. Sharp

Colgate only Nah, dog Going down the street To get some toothpaste I should be able to do that I say that to say When are you willing to separate it Because when you put out this type of energy dog

You ain't trying to go nowhere Even the niggas who love your music Or download your album They try to see if you about that Because you're so on that You know what I'm saying Oh, he right by itself Boy, I caught that nigga

Bitch-ass nigga was buying some toothpaste. Ha ha! We caught this goofy nigga trying to buy some cold gate. It can happen like that. Same nigga, he didn't search your name on YouTube

18,000 times in the month of January. So what we doing? Stop playing, man. Stop playing, man. That's why niggas can't go by all over a lot. off me.

Because I know it's a certain room. It's certain rooms that I ain't going to be able to walk in. You can't do that to me. I'm pleasantly surprised because before sitting down with you, I didn't think I was going to talk to somebody who I feel like intellectually, I feel like we could spar. I think you're not working off emotions, but you're working off. Well, if this happens and this happens, I know they want this to be my response, but I'm I'm also going to think about this, this and this before I just blindly just hop out the, you know?

Absolutely. And I like that. I like that. And this is why number one, I'm going to call this a part one. I would like to do a few things with you. Pause. Yeah, no, okay. Yeah.

No, did it? No bad. Pause, man. Really? You know, it doesn't even. have to be like a DC thing but uh as you tell your story and how you

accurately told it's like I feel like I was being being given a biopic a documentary somebody who was taking me on a journey and shit I'm gonna be honest with you giving me more insight just sitting here with you for two hours

and I've ever knew I was going off of what people said about you which I ain't on line I'll keep it being they never said another night. Yeah, and I said to be transparent with you, I said a lot of crazy things on the internet too, young and dumb, saying things I shouldn't say. You feel me? Acting in ways I shouldn't act. So you had a reason to judge me too because I said shit, man.

Stop putting my name in that shit, man. We don't rob. We kill. I wasn't posed to say that publicly. I remember. I remember seeing that. But I was coming from a place. I remember seeing that shit.

I was like, hey, listen, I was coming from a place where. Don't put us in that, man. Don't do that. We got this going on. Man, we elevate. Don't put us in that. But I try to put it in the shortest, simplest way possible. And it backfired.

You feel me? It brought media attention. Federals. Police, detectives, jumpouts. It brought all in the above. You feel me? I went about that the wrong way. Lessons.

You live and you learn. Back to what I told you earlier. You don't see somebody make a mistake and say, how can I do that mistake better? You look at that mistake and say, we ain't doing that at all. X that off the list. We know not to do that.

I think that's the happiest I am about this conversation. I'm watching somebody who's grown. I'm watching somebody who's down to take accountability. Not saying, you know, the worst type of people are the ones who say, oh, no, they're just getting that. me for because they hateing on me. They don't like the fact that I'm driving this car.

I'm wearing this clothing or I got this jewelry. Yeah. And it's usually a lack of accountability. I respect you for that. Absolutely. 100%. Absolutely. Give us your music plans.

We got to do part two of this. Okay. But music wise, what you got coming up? Like I said, man. Boosters Keeper out now, right now, everywhere for the streets. You know what I'm saying? Not to mention Nightmare on East Street 2

was top 24 in the country in the world, not just America in the world. And I dropped that less than a year from being released from prison. Hey, could I ask the question? Like, I literally feel like, and I wonder if y'all get that. Let us not forget the streets still love Fat Trail.

Let us not forget that. Oh, of course. The streets still love Fat Trail. The bad bitches and the strippers who working and getting to it every night I'm still well respecting and the traps all across America, man. I think what I was gonna...

Let us not never ever forget that. Please, while I'm being humble, I'm still that nigger when they come to the trenches, nigga, because everything I say law and the streets know that. I think that's what I was gonna ask you. It was like,

especially as we're approaching, like, Halloween. Absolutely. I'm gonna be honest with you. When I first started covering a lot of y'all, I was just genuinely scared of y'all. Because you know what it is? Because it didn't feel like y'all had a rhyme or reason.

Y'all were unpredictable. Yeah. It felt like y'all were just like, like, I mean, I think now we've seen the real definition of crash outs, but I thought y'all were trying to crash out. Yeah. But that wasn't true. If anything, y'all were more amused by somebody like me, even if I wasn't speaking fully the truth.

And y'all were caring about maybe people you got did have issues with. Like, you're not going to let them get away with some fool this shit. But it was just like, my fuck with that I got going on. Okay, it's funny though, but cool. Which back then I thought it was crashing out. I'm like, oh, no, these guys ready to crash out. But that was never the case.

Yeah, never the case, man. Product of our environment, you feel me? Like I said, we're speaking on real issues that's going on in our city. You feel me? And when you do that, sometimes the truth can be ugly. But it's the truth at the end of the day. And we got to get that out throughout. music, you feel

me, and we do that, for sure. Yeah. Yo, listen, if you're watching this, man, um, please go check out Fat Trows, new music right now available on all DSB platforms. The album, man,

boosts people out early with. The deluxe drop in November the 22nd. You know what it is. Okay, maybe we could get part two for the deluxe. Let's do it. Call my phone. I got a real good feeling.

that what we just sat down here and did this interview, this is the start of some great things to come. No, of course. And also, here's the thing, too. And I wish I had gotten to this earlier because I feel like D.C. It's such an integral. Like, when we think about that northeast

and all the major cities that really affects shit, and we talk about New York, and we talk about Philly. We're talking about Baltimore We're talking about B-more, of course But B-more in D.C. Those are two cities that You know what I mean?

Like, I mean, even if we're talking about like, fuck it, like just even, you know, I used to be like a Jersey club producer. Baltimore Club. Yeah. D.C. Go-Go music, which is, which is inspired so much. It's like, these are things.

You know what I mean? And I feel sometimes. times we forget it because a lot of times fans are looking for representatives and they're like, oh, if they can't think of a huge name from that region, they act like the region don't exist. Exactly. And I 100% believe D.C. deserves so much love. Baltimore too. Absolutely.

100%. Philly deserve more love. True. True. 100%. More love from Philly. They got some dope. as artists right now.

Well, I think Philly's in the tee up. Like, Philly's on one right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One thing I've realized about, like, you know, certain cities is like... When it's they turn, it's they turn. And it's only, it's only you could disrespect. Yeah.

If you're going to ignore their presence and contribution, it's that pride in all of us. Yeah. Because I ain't going to lie. There was the time I was covering D.C., and I felt like when niggies was acting and ignoring, and it felt like nobody could go to... could go to no D.C. clubs without them acknowledge in the presence.

Absolutely. And look. You couldn't just pop up at bliss thinking it's all sweet. No question. But look, let me say this. Shout out to Philly too, man. A Philly, I'm trying to tap in, man. All the hottest, all the men in the city of Philly, man.

What's up? I'm pushing up, man. Let me know who I need to work with, who I need to fuck with. Baltimore, you already know what it is, man. Jersey, New York. You know what it is. I'm tapping in with all the men. Let me know who I'm pushing up on and who we working with.

For sure, for sure. I'm glad you even saying that because that's another thing that's happening where the, like, usually people do it when, oh, we all got a hit song, so we're going to do the fake kick and shit. You know what I'm realizing now? Bro, the real niggas, that's from Chicago, bro, they tap it and be like, yo, you shot to the real niggas in Philly. Like, y'all niggas, y'all niggas just like, this is different playing Philly I got over there. Yeah. Fuck with you. Yeah.

It's, they're showing love to each other. That's fire. Absolutely. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Right? Because like...

Different cultures. We tapping in and let's see what we can... Let's bring my culture to your culture and let's see what we can create. That's dope. That's hard. And actually, that's also been embedded into a lot of shit before. Shit, I remember seeing... I mean, even though it was a basketball player, I remember seeing John Wall,

Meek Millie, motherfucking track, Lizzie all up in the club in D.C. Having a good old time. Absolutely. Like, yo, listen, there are certain cities. They're going to lock in with other cities. And I think, man, I like the clairvoyance in what you're saying. Because I believe you're one of the people who are lucky enough to get past the point of ignorance. Absolutely.

Like, you could have been on some, man. Well, we could end it today just off this disagreement here. But you've gotten past that. Listen to some of the music. You still snapping. Absolutely. You feel what I'm saying? Absolutely.

Like you got a way with the With the cadence With your vocal inflection With how you rap You've been listening to You know what I'm saying? So it's like That's what people want to fuck with

You know what I mean And now you're smarter Because you know Niggas gonna be able to trick you out your position There ain't no question I can ask you Where you can be like yo man Fuck that man I'm about to I'm about to get a thousand

And the niggas think what I'm about to get a thousand niggas in the streets We'll have 500 guns in niggas hands You ain't feel to do no dumb shit like that Yeah Did that already That's what I'm also happy about Niggas like you

Even like you Dirk Keith Like listen Bro niggas watch how make every mistake Go to jail We also watch other people die There's nothing more to be proven Yeah

we want to see the wins it's time like there's no there's never a time you be like yo nah niggas think I'm pussy out here never should happen no more yeah and that's why I'm rooting for y'all because you know

I think hip hop is at a different place now where shit 50 was the hottest nigga up until 2007 Kanye beats him in a battle or like a little sales battle battle. Then people start acting like 15 ain't shit. People grew up and realized, nah, I think it's a part of our, I grew up on this music.

You know what? Honestly, not to cut you off with switch gears, I think the world got fed up when we lost take. We lost take. It was like, nah, stop playing. We got to show love to people who we fuck with. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on man. Like, come on, man. Take off, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah, cool dude, real member Flies a motherfucker Poppy shit Nah

What's up What's going on We lost take Long little take man Enough is enough And I think that's where That's where like Let's transition from

Come on a little take man But You aren't supposed to lose take Man And I don't mean to pivot I know I just fucked you up I can tell No no no

No no But I say that to say Cool dude Migo Great Lank This flies a motherfucker Pop is a shit Great sense of humor right

We see the interviews With the breakfast club We see You get what I'm saying Flaws too He drink lean Whatever we know About the me go

Yeah you know what I'm saying But guess what though Great person Great artist So when you see shit like that You feel me Long little trouble man When you see shit like this

You say Damn man What we doing man Is we building these dudes up to eliminate them? Because at this point, you ain't building them up to break them down. Y'all building them up and eliminating them at a rapid pace. Now, what the fuck is we doing, man? This is America at the end of the day.

Let's sell a good time, have fun, make some great music, and get some paper and show black excellence, for real, for real. I'm in a 100% agreement with that, man. Listen, if you're listening to the voice or the sign of my voice right now, please go make sure I go check out my man Fat Trello on DSPs right now. Absolutely. Got a project out right now. Go check him out.

Listen, this is one of the few rappers. You're going to be able to, every words you hear him say, he'd unlived. Everything you hear him say is coming from a place of experience, whether he learned, whether he lost, whether he wanted. respect that. And I'm here to just keep giving you encouragement, but also the platform. Because I got to tell my man, we run it back for the deluxe. Absolutely. You know, it's impossible for us to get to everything.

It's going to be like a five-hour joint. So we don't have to get to. I know exactly where we got to. All right, bet. Now you're making, you start breaking waves. But then there's a lot of pitfalls that also happen. And a lot of other things, and we're going to have to get to it the next time. Right.

And I also want to say this, too, and we can end it on this note because I'm a real nigger, right? I want to appreciate you, too. Everything that you've done for the culture. I appreciate you. I'm a real nigger. A lot of things you've done, I don't agree with, you feel me? I had a conversation with several people who said, you should pull them up about this, pull them up about that.

And I say, you know, at the end of the day, I'm going to do it my way. We had a conversation. There's a lot of things we did speak on, a lot of things we didn't. But I will say this. For everything that you've done for the culture, for young African Americans, I want to shake your hand again and say, I appreciate you too, dog. You feel me? I thank you too because I know for a fact that you provided a whole large population of America

who wouldn't have never listened to our stories, played our music, followed us on Instagram if you didn't report on us too. You feel me? So I know the role that you played and I know that you might have made

a couple of decisions from ill places and that come with being young and maturing as a person and growing as a man. But now that we have in this conversation

together as two adults, I can tell that it all came from a good place. Let me know about your family, how you was raised, your mother,

your brothers. I know how I feel to grow up young and black and in America. You feel me? So I thank you too, bro. You play the intricate role and all this shit.

So it is what it is. Hey, part of, you know, I'm glad that I was able to increase a platform and keep being successful. Here's a role that I want to play. And, you know, I've spoke about this with Dirk. Spoke about this with Keith. Even recent, you know, rest and peace, even Fredo. But also everybody who wife... Long live Fredo, man.

Everybody who I used to cover back then, and even this with me and you, I was the person back then that was probably, I was telling the stories. And a lot of times the real guys who was there were probably like maybe 15% right, 20% right. But that's not, well, we wouldn't tell a story like that. I'm glad I have the platform now. I'm not telling your story no more. You're telling it. And you're going to tell them multiple ways.

You're going to give context here, but you're going to give the story and the music. Absolutely. And that's the ultimate payoff, right? Because I can't tell your story better than you can. What better way for them to get the story? That's my point. I also want you to realize your power too.

As a young African-American in the United States of America, You got a lot of power. You got a platform, the same platform as Donald Trump and Barack Obama. You got a platform. You might not have the same population of supporters. But you got a platform. Realize that, understand that. When you wake up, every decision that you make every day, think about that.

Keep that on your mind. You're young. You black. You're from America. You was born in Jamaica. You got roots back in Jamaica. but you're a young black nigger in America. You got your stripes in America.

But you're from Jamaica. You feel me? Keep all that in your mind and do what you do. Trell, I think you. When you hit me, I was actually almost, I was like, I hope he ain't leave yet. So I'm glad we got. By the way, if you had to watch this,

just to give a little bit of context, it's probably 3 a. Yeah. It's probably 3 a.m. You know, we didn't get to fit it during the regular time period. So, like, he basically had a whole bunch of, you know, obligations during the day. And I said, shit, I don't care what time. We're going to get up in here and get some goddamn interview in while we can.

So I just want to say, I appreciate you, the first of many. And I can't wait for us to get the other side of the story, but also the update on what the music has been. And by the way, I'm watching you growing as a man. That's probably the thing that it's a bitter, well, not bitter, sweet, but it makes me think I'm like, damn, you're sitting in front of a man who has consciousness

about what he's done wrong and he's standing on what he did right. Absolutely. And the best way to handle these conversations face to face, because I had assumptions about, You were wrong, and I'm pretty sure you had a couple about me, man. I appreciate you for coming here, all right, brother? Absolutely.

Always, bro. I appreciate it. My nigga, man. Yo, y'all make sure I fuck with my man in trail, bro. Love, brother. Love, brother.