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By the way, everybody on kick, I think we're going to end on kick tonight. So, you know, we got our, I think we got a true crime and some other stuff. So if you're watching on kick, stay tuned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got that going on. All right, all right, man. Listen, I'm super excited, super excited. 49 hours away from the release of Iceman, a lot to talk about, a lot that is happening in hip hop. We'll even talk about some stuff that's not going on in hip hop.

I got my coffee tonight. Hopefully, you know, I just get, you know, just regular black coffee. Hopefully it could do me justice tonight. I'm going to chill off the drinking because I do realize I'm purposely streaming later today. I did stream earlier today. Shout to my people who watched the gambling streams. Yo, we ran up a 30 ball. 30 ball.

Easy. Clean today. But, yeah, so I want to make sure I get in about four or five hours. So I'm trying to stay on stream until at least like 4 o'clock. Okay, so if you guys are rocking with me, let's see if we could get past three. Three is going to be the, you know, we at least get past four hours. So rock out with me. If you guys can't stay up the whole time with me, you guys will be able to catch the rebroadcatchers.

There's a bunch of stuff for us to talk about. We're going to get into this folio killers being sentenced. We are going to get into some Drake rumors. That's always going to kind of just let you know for the next two days. These Drake rumors or Drake stories were probably high. popping in and out of what's going on with Iceman and Drake. It's the biggest topic. It's the most relevant topic.

We're trying to get all the exclusive details. People are hitting me as, you know, right now with info. They're telling me that the C and Tower is lit up currently with some projections. So I don't know. Is the boy at the Cian Tower? What is he doing there? We don't know. Or, I mean, I'm pretty sure somebody could try to find out.

but all of these things are happening and I'm excited thank you guys for being here with me people want me to watch a what's the dirt video I will do that I'm gonna kind of create a little list here but I think I kind of have a natural flow of what we want to get to by the way Rick Ross I think Rick Ross seen y'all comments chat a lot of y'all are calling Rick Ross like saying he's backpedaling y'all saying Rick Ross ain't like that he's trying to get on ice man or you want a verse Rick Ross pop back out he's talking tough now Ross is back on some, man, fuck drink type shit. You know what I mean?

So Rick Ross seems to have rescinded his apology. You know, I told you backtrack season was, you know, in full effect. We've gotten a lot of apologies, some backtracks. A lot of people saying, hey, listen, I wasn't hating like that. You know, I actually wrote down a list of ways how you could, you know, you could backtrack in a way that doesn't make you look too pussy. You could be like, bro, it was just music. That's the good one. That's the one right there.

No, it was just music. It was just music. Second one, bro, it wasn't that deep. Like, yo, it's just a battle. It wasn't that deep. Okay? The third one. Yo, it's been two years.

Get over it. It's been two years. Get over it. So what we called you a PDF? It's been two years. Get over it. Okay. That's, that's, then the fourth one.

Oh, well, hold on now. I ain't really pick a side during the whole thing I ain't pick a side I ain't pick a side I was just I was just chilling back but you're my homie I ain't pick a side I ain't pick a side

I ain't pick a side I ain't pick a side then the next one is the bro I always fuck with you I've always fuck with you I just never let nobody know until now like that's the point I always rock with you

but I was definitely not by to let nobody know I still rock with you until now. This is like Groundhog's Day. It's time to poke your head up. Is it Tom? Oh, Iceman? Yeah, we rock with the boy.

Yeah, okay, cool. And then the last one is, when I told you to go away, I mean permanently. I just meant go away until Iceman was ready. I never meant go away. You're a cancer.

Get rid of you. No, I meant for you to just go finish your album. Okay? It's all. all good. It's all good. People want me to watch this. What's the Dirt video? I'll react to it in a second. But we should go listen to Rick Ross. By the way, everybody knows. I love Ross. You know, I love Ross, but I'm going to be honest with you. Like, I think Ross looks very horrible in this whole

situation. And Ross has to, like, like, by the way, this is another thing, too. First of all, Hot 97, no disrespect to them, dirt. How do you put out an interview out with 40? Yo, by the way, Rick Ross, come how at big act big Rick Ross and big bro did you waste you probably rolled up there with three Suburban's 10 security 15 goons your handlers or whoever else you're moving with no disrespect

but like you went to hot 97 to do an interview that did 4,000 views bro just come to big act and we'll have a real conversation I like with all the respect to hot 97 why are you niggins going up there to basically Basically, like, we're going to do more views reacting to this. Like, I don't know. But anyway, you know what?

Whatever. You know, as I said, I love to say, I think I make more reacting to them or talking about them than actually talking to them. So who cares? But anyway, this is really pathetic right here. So Hot 97, get y'all shit together. Anyway, Rick Ross showed up, and he showed up on Nessa's show. That's our Colin Kaepernick's wife. And I guess he must have seen what y'all chat.

he's been saying about what he said on Ebro's show. And what he said was, if you haven't seen, let's get into the recap. Let's go back in the time machine. He had a message, Rick Ross, Drake, message. This was his message for Drake on Ebro's show if you didn't see it. Drake, if you listen to this, homie, listen to me. My nigger, shine.

I don't want to see you lose. No real nigger want to see you lose. That ain't what niggas about This culture, this game This rap shit This ain't what it's about I don't want to see you lose Real niggas just want to see real niggas

Shine together Real niggas come up together You understand When I was the number one nigga In the rap game I showed niggers love When French was on fire He showed niggers love

Drake If you listen to this homie Okay Listen to me. My nigger. Now, a lot of us thought this was a little bit of backtracking, maybe a little bit of plea copping. However, it looks like Ross has seen y'all comments in the chat,

and he don't like the fact that y'all is saying that he's begging for a feature. He's backtracking. You know what I mean? He wants to be friends back with Drake. Obviously, I gave my opinion. I said, I think Ross is realizing because he was doing an interview alongside French Montana, that French really got no problem with Drake. And he kind of looks a little silly because you started this.

whole battle or beef with Drake because you were sticking up for French who's now saying he got no problem with Drake. So it's like what? Anyway. So if you, so Ross did another interview and this interview, I think he's reading your comments because his tone has now changed. This is his tone about Drake and let me see if I can find the timestamp. I'm pretty sure somebody put it in here.

Is it this? Here we go. It's a special connection. This is a lumen. Okay. I don't know what it is. It's cool. Into the side pocket.

Okay, let me just, we're just going to go to, let's figure it out. Where's a drink, talk at it? Okay, here we go. A few months back, I was, I had a concert, and I was backstage, they had a VIP room with a pool table. I'm shooting pool. Yo, why does Rick Ross?

Your, Rick Ross is like a full character. The way he said some stories, y'all was backstage at, a pool table and they had some cold water with limes in it like he's like so accurate with how he's painting the picture go ahead Ross boom one of my rings come off oh boom one of the rings come off and go into the side pocket of the pool table but we found it right and this is a this is a six figure ring The actual person that ran the huge venue overnighted the ring to me maybe two weeks later.

Wow. Facts. Facts. That's love right there. That was love. Would you- Would you return it if that was you? It's a good chance I would have returned it. I'm just, I'm one of them people and I've always said this. If it isn't mine, I don't want it.

If it's mine, I gotta have it. You know what I mean? If it's yours, that's you. Right. I want you to enjoy that. That's nice of them to return it. I think that's the first time I've ever heard somebody return something that nice. Without a doubt, without a doubt.

Without a doubt. Let's go back to verses. What made you decide to tell the DJ not to play Drake's vocals on Asin Martin music? Because there's a debate. I'm sure you've seen it. People thought, oh, you were trying to dis Drake. But some people felt like, no, you were trying to be respectful. How did you?

Yo, Nessa, brov, Nessa. There's nobody on planet Earth that thinks he was trying to be respectful by him saying mute Drake. All right. Did you look at that moment? Let's just enjoy it. Let's enjoy it without them. If they want it, let them sing it.

And that's cool, too. But, yeah, my DJ minus that, let's go. And there was a few chicks out there who hit a... Listen, yes. We love that part. Thank you. And that's what I want you to do. Okay.

I just want to be honest because, like, you know, we love the part. We love Drake's part too. Oh, man. We made history with a lot of records. Yeah. Is it weird that I don't know why you guys don't get along? Why? Why?

What happened? It's a lot of people. Oh, okay. I see Nessa's thing here. Is Angie Martinez still on 10097? Oh, no, she's on Powell 105. Yeah. Nessa takes a lot.

from Angie Martinez. Angie Martinez plays like that little Auntie role and she acts like she doesn't know all the details but she got all the questions about the details we wanna know. Like you have no idea why they don't beef, but you're asking about the beef? Okay. That don't know, but it was just, you know,

he lost focus, that's it. I'm sure he's back focused now. Okay, so wait, wait, wait, so him explain why he doesn't get along with Drake is because Drake lost focus. You know, Rick Ross is coming up the new excuse. And I like Ross. That's the funny part about it. But Ross is coming up with a new excuse every time.

Why? Why? What happened? It's a lot of people that don't know. But it was just, you know, he lost focus. That's it. I'm sure he's back focused now. You did say that you don't want him to lose. Like you just said that. Yeah. And when I said that, it's

so many conversations. Now, here's the cleanup. Because a lot of people thought he was coping a plea. And I think Ross looked at y'all comments and said, oh, hell I ain't copy no plea. Ross going to get back tough again. Here we go. This is that going, you know, off camera where I feel like people won't

would love for me to say, I hate this. You can fly for, no, homie, it ain't that. You know what I mean? When you, when somebody step out of line and you got to, you know, chastise him or give him a spanking, that's what you do. How did he step out of line? Like, Ross is a king of saying a lot but saying nothing. So we don't know why I don't like each other.

You're saying he stepped out of line. How did he step out of line? You say you chastise him. Why? How? We don't know. Is it one of those things where there's a conspiracy? Hell no.

Don't nobody fear Drake album release. There we go. Nobody. Is there a world where things can be, you know, in a... Now, I'm telling you here, chat, Ross changed up his tune, in my opinion. Because people are hearing rumors going around the internet. like you hear the Charlemains like mentioning it which is ironic everybody who supposedly don't

like Drake they're now starting rumors about Drake's album charlemagne and Joe Budden have both said that there is shots coming at niggas and it's not like Drake is going to just put out this like you know like j-cold type album where he don't want no smoke so what's happening now is everybody's auto-correcting assuming that there might be shots on the album about him so Ross just said, I want this nigger to win. But now everybody's on his ass like, oh, are you backpedaling? And people are kind of starting to realize that maybe their apology or their backpedaling might still result in them being dis.

So you know what? They got to kind of like hit back a little bit to kind of get ready for that. So that's why I think you're seeing his narrative changed to nobody's scared of Drake's album coming out. Like, that's not the question. Why would you be scared of the album unless you think you're getting dissed, right? right you're only thinking you're scared of the album if you think you're getting this otherwise you should be like oh no we're you know i'll listen to it or i won't listen to it where i feel like people won't will love for me to say i hate this you can put it up

no homie it ain't that you know what i mean when you when somebody step out of line and you got a you know chastise them or give them a spanking that's what you do but is it one of those things where there's a conspiracy hell no don't nobody fear dray album release. Nobody. Is there a world where things can be, you know, in a better place between you two? And what I was saying on the radio was, you know, he speaks to French. Fresh says a lot of positive things. Okay, so he's cleaned that comment up.

That he maybe should send French or pecan pie for, you know what I mean? Because nobody won't speak on his behalf to me. But French do. And that's what I made it clear, like, yo, you know, if anything, was to ever come from that it had come through French because it wouldn't directly come to Rose. I like that French is still maintaining his friendship. Like I think there's something about showing, you know, loyalty. Like he's able to be friends with you and also maintain his friendship. By the way, Nessa, that's a trigger word that's happening. Hey, by the way, I want to make it very abundantly clear. I got to say like this quiet part out loud. What's happening now is that

with Drake album coming up, what all these guys hate to be called is disloyal. Right? And it appears that without even Drake saying it, a lot of fans feel like people switched up on Drake.

You know, again, maybe they had legitimate reasons, but they all switched up at the same time. So you get words, get thrown around, and a lot of these guys, you know, some of them are from the streets,

Ross, I guess, right? And they stand on principles. Like, they're the guys who say they're loyal, they're this and third. But what's been happening is that this thing of, oh, you guys were disloyal, you switched up. I think that is a thing that you're hearing these rappers,

if they're speaking out, they're trying to clarify or clear the air to say, hey, we weren't disloyal, we didn't switch up. You get what I'm saying? Chip, and I think that speaks to French's character. You know, like even if you saw his loyalty to Max B over these years. You got to imagine Ross is thinking, well, if you're big enough French for his loyalty,

maybe you're thinking, I'm disloyal. Keep listening to these answers. It's genuine. I like that. And I'm not mad at that. That's right. And, you know, I've never spoken down on no relationship my homies may have.

We ain't tripping on that. And that's what I mean by that. We're not on that girl shit. You know what I'm saying? If you step out of line, you know, clean your face. And then keep it moving. It's a trooper.

We bosses over here. Well, I enjoyed all the, you know, the chemistry you and Drake did. You know, you gave us classics. And, you know, I'm not one of those folks who's going to, like, talk bad about Drake because you're here. I just hope everything gets resolved. I'm a mom now. I want peace. I like seeing everybody happy.

Congratulations on the twins on the way. The two sets of twins, y'all. Can you imagine? It's amazing. That's amazing. Checky Cheese Night going to be lit. That's gonna be crazy. The pizza's good at Chucky Cheese, by the way.

I ain't mad at that. Shout out the Chucky Cheese. I want to talk a bit. Obviously, you know, your album's set in stone. This is your first solo album and went almost five. Yeah, I kind of feel like Ross is over those Drake questions, too. Five years. When you hear records like Minks in Miami.

Oh, okay. Neil. All right. I think that's about it. I don't think there's any more Drake references. but I think Ross, after seeing the internet comments, is kind of cleaning up everything he said in the Ebro interview because a lot of people thought he was backtracking

or he was damn near almost like throwing it out there, like, yo, give me a verse. And I think with Drake's album coming out, is Drake dissing Rick Ross? We're hearing Drake is dissing people, right? Joe Button says he feels like he's getting distra. Right. We were hearing that there might be a Calid disc. We're hearing there might be a who else?

Who else might? Charlemann said, who else was getting this? A sap Rocky. So maybe Rick Ross, who is, I would think Rick Ross is one of the biggest defenders. He might be getting this too. So I think his rhetoric has changed up a little bit. And now he's like nobody's scared of Drake's album. What do y'all think, right?

We'll see. We'll see. Interesting times. Interesting times. Everybody's telling me to watch What's the Dirt video? And by the way, I just posted this So there's a quick update on Iceman They're telling me right now

At the CN Tower This is Canada, this is Toronto They said that there's ice block projections On the CN Tower All right How does that work? Wow, that's interesting If everybody's reporting is right

The CN Tower It seems to be a very central and integral part, or really just Toronto in general. I mean, Drake has been in Toronto for some time now. I think this, I've told you guys, this is the long as I've seen him, like, kind of like stay, you know, within his city. Usually moves around a lot more. But the whole rollout seems to really have a lot of Toronto in it.

We've seen him at the city center. It's like city hall. He was recording music. They say supposedly he was like shooting music video. here based on some silhouette type of like thing that people seem like somebody walking around the top part of this thing the blocks of ice were were near the downtown area so there's a and then there's trucks that's driving through with ice so a lot of his rollout seems to be Canada centric I don't know what we take from that is he you know is he gonna keep more of

that Torontoian sound I will say if he He's going with heavy Canada and stuff. I think two albums come in mind that maybe the album sonically might sound like these albums. First is nothing was the same. I think nothing was the same felt like he, you know, that's after take care and thank me later. He was a little bit more Toronto-ish with that, but definitely views. Views felt like it was a album that he was back home. So I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I wonder when we're going to get like an explanation of what the fuck is going on. Right? Like there's a little bit of confusion. I'll be honest. Like he's definitely doing things and I do appreciate it.

I think this is the most effort I've seen Drake do in a long time. They got, listen, they got Drake working and maybe it's because he's at odds with his label. I'm wondering who's paying for all this. But he's working like he's on like. His first or second album. This seems like an actual rollout. The only thing is, I need to see things connect. I need to see things connect.

Like, why do theme Iceman? Why, Iceman? Is the songs going to help me make it make sense? Is the episode going to make it make sense? He clearly has some type of premise because he's sticking to a cohesive theme. We'll have to see, all right? But yeah, this is going on right now.

Right now in Toronto. Okay. There we go. There is a What's the Dirt video where he says, Drake Iceman Rollout exposed Jay-Z's Goldstwriter. Let's watch this. Mapping it all out. On June 28, 2024, just five weeks after the last disc track dropped

in the battle between Kendrick and Drake, a mysterious page called Plot Twist surfaced on Instagram. And it didn't take long for people to connect the fact that this account did belong to Drake. Mixed in with the occasional photo of Drake, most people dismissed this page as a bunch of random, meaningless images with no clear pattern or logic.

However, as time went on, it became clear that many of those posts were anything but random. It turns out a lot of the cryptic imagery was intentional and part of a larger, carefully calculated plan. With plot twist, Drake was planting early seeds of what was to come. Clues that in some cases wouldn't fully make sense until months and even years later.

The Ice Man title itself had been referenced multiple times on Plotwiz well before the official announcement. Even Drake's now famous ice sculpture in downtown Toronto had seemingly been foreshadowed nearly two years earlier and the same goes for that massive explosion. What was once random is clearly a calculated plan. When the streamer Kitska discovered the... Hey, that explosion, we still haven't, like, do we see something? That explosion was supposedly real.

We haven't seen a video. We haven't seen anything for it. Like, what was that? Magazine inside that sculpture, I immediately knew that within those pages there were even more clues. One look at the style of the imagery told the story right away. This was a continuation of the plot twist account, but in physical form. I watched as Kitska flipped through the magazine, and what stood out to me wasn't what he showed. It was what he didn't.

When I zoomed in, something didn't add up. The magazine was clearly way thicker than what he showed on stream, and there's no way the rest of those pages were just blank. There appeared to be way more in that book than what was shown. And on April 25th, that turned out to be true. A website went live, reportedly outside of Drake's immediate team, and for the first time, we got to see what the stream hadn't shown us. We now had 69 pages of very cryptic info that needed to be broke down.

And that's exactly what I've been doing for the last two weeks, page by page. You, my boy, got an ovio skateboard? Holy. Hale. Age crunching 16 hour days to decode the whole thing. However, when I got to page 34, that's where things really got interesting. One look at this slide and it's just... Page 34.

What is this? Just like everything else that Drake has done over the course of the last two years. It doesn't look like much. However, after days of work, I started to make some really insane connections and it starts right with the image in the middle of the page. This is a rapper by the name of Calico. Now what's interesting about this image is it only comes up in two places on the entire internet and one of them is a Memphis Tennessee hip-hop YouTube channel.

In fact, this appears to be where Drake found the image for his zine in the first place. As you could see, they're identical. What we have here is a faded looking old CD with the name Calli-Lakeycky. written all over it. The font design for Calico itself is meant to look like steel or some sort of metal. And keep all that in mind. The crazy thing about this whole thing is this was only uploaded to that YouTube channel one month ago and the Iceman Zine dropped two weeks ago, which means that Drake's team sourced this image and included it in the zine all in the last month. Stay with me. If we look closer at the image, you can see that the title of the CD,

is called snippets and the word itself is pretty blurry. These blurry visuals is pretty much the hallmark of the Iceman rollout. Drake has done it a bunch. Pretty much all the songs that Drake dropped featured these blurry visuals for the words. And even on Drake's plot twist finsta account, he had a hard drive that said blur zine on it. And that's exactly what we got in this zine. There's a lot of images and things that are like crazy blurry. Anyways, when we played a song that's on that Tennessee YouTube channel, this is the track that plays.

I'm trying to go from pebbles to bricks, from a 10 speed to pedaling six, dash holding my clip, cash in a stash in a bad chick, road of my split. So whoever it is, he's actually pretty nice, but he doesn't sound like he's from Memphis, Tennessee. Think back life is a shorty, was hard cause moms couldn't afford me, but wouldn't aboard me. The dude sounds like he's from Brooklyn. And if that's the case, then why would a YouTube channel that only post Memphis Tennessee hip hop randomly posed a no-name rapper from Brooklyn? Pretty fair question, right? The whole reason for doing this was that it was a clue to lead you to Memphis Bleak because that's exactly who this rapper Calico was signed to under Get Low Records. Calico was affiliated with...

Wait, what? Hold on, hold on. That was a crazy leap. Hold on. From a 10 speed to pedaling six, dash hold of my clip. Cash in a stash and a bad chick rode of my split. So whoever it is, he's actually pretty nice, but he doesn't sound like he's from Memphis, Tennessee. Think back, life is a shorty. It was hard because moms couldn't afford me, but wouldn't aboard me. The dude sounds like he's from Brooklyn.

And if that's the case, then why would a YouTube channel that only post Memphis, Tennessee hip-hop, randomly posed a no-name rapper from Brooklyn. Pretty fair question, right? The whole reason for doing this was that it was a clue to lead you to Memphis Bleak because that's exactly who this rapper Calico was signed to under Get Low Records. Calico was affiliated with Rockefeller and I think in a very big way. So where did this random CD and song come from? Well, I believe this whole thing was uploaded and created by Drake's team.

I don't think this is even a real CD. I don't think Calico ever released a project called Snippets, and by the end of this video, you'll understand it. The only other place on the entire internet with this CD, an exact image, is on Discogs.com. As you could see, apparently, there are 15 more untitled songs, all called Untitled, on this Snippets album. And that website is just like the YouTube channel. It was uploaded to the website. month ago. So with all that it was time to do a deep dive into who Calico was and there was only

a handful of records with Memphis Bleak. There was a Superman remix. You wasn't there when I was on the block moving grams, hand to hand, yuck in the vans. May I'm trying to put a wedding band on my hand, but I don't save a hole, I blaze and go. And I found it in the club remix. My whole team aim and shoot. I'm from the blocks where even the fiends aim and shoot. I throw bread in the streets so the birds can come. Only thing y'all slinging is raps. I ain't to all that. There were a couple other records, but the more I looked at a lot of his flows, I definitely

started to see a lot of Jay-Z in there, and the further I look, the more interesting this thing got. It turns out that exact untitled song that was uploaded to that Memphis YouTube channel was actually a bootleg bonus track from the Diplomats Volume 2 mixtape. It was listed as track 19, and you'll see from this YouTube video is the exact same record. to pedaling six dash holding my clip cash in a stash and a bad chick rode of my splits i'm trying to go from pebbles to bricks from a tin speed to pedaling six keep in mind the dude was signed the Memphis bleak at the time however just one year later in 2003 jZ would drop the black album and shortly after he released his

fade-to-black documentary and this film includes several video clips of studio sessions where he's seen making the album in real time. And even though he's under bleak, and fairly unknown, for whatever reason, Calico is in the studio with Jay-Z and Young Guru while making the Black album. It's like, truthfully, it's whack.

Like, I'm feeling that way, too. Like, I don't be wanting to do that right scene. Is this Calico? Like, sometimes that's all niggas want to hear, and you get fed up. Like, you got to take the long route. Like, that shit's aggravating. Why would you write a rhyme that you don't want to like?

Nah, that's what I'm saying. I'm still trying to find myself. for this day, Google. That shit ain't hard. Be to fuck you. I know, but I'm saying, like, to where the... Drill. Remove this part.

Jay-Z is going to strike my channel. This is Fade to Black, a documentary that he owns. You know how Jay plays with me. He doesn't like when I'm putting and highlighting anything that makes him not look good. So I don't know if he's going to strike what's the dirt, but he'll definitely strike me. So eliminate this. This is from... Fade the Black documentary.

It came out in 2004 or 2005, actually. I think 2005. Put it out to the people, man. That shit's aggravated. And my guy Myers from Twitter actually found that clip. So at this point, Calico have been signed to Get Low Records for several years, but he's basically a nobody, yet we see him in the studio with Jay-Z. That's interesting.

From one of the most important albums of his career. I mean, Calico didn't. Now, granted, sometimes studio. is a place a lot of people congregate. If we don't see him doing anything creative, he's just in here talking. A lot of times you have people who come to the studio for vibes. You never know.

And have a single. He didn't have a mixtape. And he especially didn't have an album. He hardly released any music at all. The guy in every sense is a ghost. There's hardly anything about Calico online. And as much interviews and podcast that Memphis Bleak has done, the name Calico is never brought up.

And again, the guy's not. nice like he he's mad talented so what what happened well i found one other video and this appears to be from around 2006 and at the time jr writer of dipset had disj z on a track called i got him and when jr dropped that record so why would he be there he's a nobody well in a studio you can see random chicks random holes um and because j z had a crew rockefell I don't know Sometimes the big artists don't like other people in their studio session And maybe sometimes they're liberal with it

Like maybe they're a studio rat And they allow a lot of people to come in Never know You know Record for whatever reason Calico decided that he was going to be the person that responded On Jay-Z's behalf At this point the dude was around

Rockefeller for years But in the video Memphis Bleaks still introduces them This is my man Cali, the young assassin. Everybody calling their self a gun in the game. Ruggas and A-Rs and this niggas are Cali. So it's hunted in that. It's a hundred than that. We're bigger than what you got.

From here we see a bunch of visuals from within the Rockefeller headquarters, and we see the name Calico with the track name. But for whatever reason, it's not even under Get Low Records. It's under Rock La Familia, which was an international sublabel of Rockefeller, which only raises even more questions. Rock La Familia was set up to sign artists in genres like reggae and Latin music. So why was Calico now under this umbrella? And why wasn't he with Get Low Records anymore?

I believe Jay-Z scooped him up very quickly from Memphis Bleak, which is why we never got any music. I think he tucked him away on that label. And that's why we saw him in the studio for the Black album. Anyways, on the track, Calico is literally, dissing J.R. writer on behalf of Jay-Z. He literally says on the track that he's doing this because Hove is busy. Nope, nope, Hove is busy.

Now fall back young, say it to a nigger like me. I keep hearing chat how J.R.L. Look, he's a right, but he's not real. And look, I'm not trying to twist this. I'm a huge fan of Jay-Z, but guys, like, when I listen to this dude, like, I can see it. Like, I can hear it. Leave them in the woods so nobody won't bother him until they start smelling them.

Damn that boy, with that said, there's definitely another layer to this. If you look in Bleak's hand at the beginning of the music video, you can see he's holding an orange lacy hard drive. This was something found by my guy Mars on Twitter, and I'm going to link his channel in the description. Now, what's interesting about this is plot twist, the Finsta account from Drake that's been posted non-stop cryptic info,

many of which comes true, literally had this exact same hard drive uploaded. I think Jay-Z had a ghostwriter. Okay. I'm going to be honest, everybody in music has this. I got like 40s. So if, by the way, I'm watching this to see, no, this is a very popular hard drive.

Ever since they start stealing music, like labels give this out. Like labels give this out. And usually tell, so when you go to a studio, because people's emails get hacked, they usually say, especially for big artists, so you're A&R, they'll bring this to the studio. And when the song gets created,

they'll be like, you're going to bounce it to my drive and you're not going to email my motherfucking song. You can have it locally, but you don't email. This is after people's emails start, that's when Fishing just start popping up. And, you know, you got stupid producers and engineers clicking links. They would use these. These are kind of like an enterprise type of,

hard drive. So these are very popular. These are very popular. I'm not going to lie. So, you know, being fair, I wouldn't say

because Bleak has one of these in his hands and Drake posted one of these means that they're linked. The majority of artists or their NRs or their manager has one of these.

You get what I'm saying? Had this exact same hard drive uploaded. I think Jay-Z He had a ghostwriter and Drake knows about it and has proof. When we look at the Calico artwork, again, I believe Drake's team made this design. I don't think it's real. The metal font for Calico is written in platinum and just think about that.

In fact, Jay-Z's reasonable doubt was another album that had that metal texture. We see these lines across the album and similar things show up in Drake's Zine. The snippets album from Calico has a blurred font. just like the Iceman Rollout. There's even a hard drive on plot twist called Blur. Now, that I'll give him some credit. I'll give What's There some credit because some of this stuff, like with the stuff being uploaded a month ago, this and third and the magazine, it does seem eerily coincidental. Zine.

Look, Calico never had a chance to release a project and he eventually changed his name to Calvin Ray. So why did this guy never drop a project under the name Caligo? Why has nobody ever mentioned this dude at all? And why did this guy change his name? What really makes it all connect is when you look at this page in full, it has Alia and Lil Kim, two artists who also had writers. It's well documented that Biggie wrote for Kim, and it's well documented that R. Kelly wrote for Alia. Then we see the Calgary Flames logo, and what's crazy about this logo is two different people are confused for drawing it.

On sportslogelhistory.com, it says there's some debate about the logos creator, with some sources saying Patricia Reddit drew it and others say Brent Lynch. The main theme on that page is definitely writers for sure. Then we have the Iceman van in the left bottom corner, which is a Japanese ice company. And when I tried to purchase the Calico snippet CD from that Discog website, that CD literally ships from Japan this whole thing is nuts and then as I thought back I remember Drake's Dupy freestyle when he dis push a T and Kanye and I started thinking about this line a little bit differently you send shots well I got a

challenge those but I bring calicoes to the Alamo I can never have a Virgil in my circle and hold him back because he makes me nervous then when I looked into Calvin Rays I bring Calico's to the Alamo I always thought that line stood out but I never connected it What was the Dupy Freestyle? What was the annotation about it then? Calico.

Like, we obviously know, like, what it means on face value, but what people are saying, him saying Calico to the Alamo. I always thought, um, I always thought it was like a battle rap type of thing. I bring Calico to the Alamo.

That felt like a battle rap line. But maybe it had more meaning. his music, which again is the name that Calico got changed to, on his track titled Rap and Real Life, he insinuates that Jay-Z is lying about his life in his music. Ten years trying to get in the game. Now I'm starting to feel like fuck the games and no, it's not hate. I just need you to understand Jay-Z is not buss in the cave. Unfortunately, outside of the few tracks on his YouTube channel, I can't find any of his other music.

It looks like he did upload a couple tapes to that Piff at one point, but of course that's not available. Either way, I feel like all the connections made were at least enough to raise some questions. Who is Calico? What happened to his career inside the Rockefeller umbrella? Why didn't he release a single mixtape or project when he's so talented? Why doesn't he have a single feature on any of Bleaks or Hoves' projects? Why is he in the studio with Hove while making the black album? Why did he switch from Get Low Records to Rock Laf Familia

when that was never a label for rappers in the first place? Why does nobody ever bring this guy up? Not necessarily true because True Life was on a Rock Laugh Familia. Yeah, but it was meant for a Hispanic artist. Why does it seem like his entire online presence has been damn near scrubbed and why is he showing up in Drake's Zine, paired with a bunch of artists who use writers. Maybe one day we'll find out.

He raises some interesting questions. I wouldn't go immediately to say that means or it probably suggests that Jay-Z uses writers. I would say those coincidences are interesting. With all due respect, though, I would say no matter what. And yeah, I clearly know I'm not the biggest fan of not necessarily Jay-Z's music but you know j z at this point you know rock nation shit right but i i wouldn't put his pen in question over this coincidence until we have a lot more sorry a lot more proof so i would say

there's some things to kind of like probably look into but i wouldn't say this kind of suggests heavily that he's using writers. Because again, one of the things with someone using writers is that I don't know how much of this guy's work that exists. If you can't find some similar songs or like very similar cadences or hooks, like that's usually natural when someone has a writer. Like you'll have a guy who are, let's say quitting, right? Quentin had a lot of cadences that literally matched what people thought.

where Drake's cadences on if you're reading this too late. So it kind of made sense if they're like, oh, they must have collaborated or something like that. I can't say the same about this calico guy and Jay Z yet. So it'll be fair. All right. Interesting. Yeah, you got some valid points,

but we can't also be too thirsty. Like, he's doing his job, right? Like, he's raising questions, and I'm pretty sure he's going to keep doing his research. to figure out like what is the truth but us as like you know fans who are kind of watching this we can't just jump out the window just because we don't like j j jay j is a talented artist and um i think what's been associated with jay is accusations that he has been influenced by people or he's taking people's lines and stuff like that never really oh yeah there's this guy

who's so hidden that nobody knows that's writing his rat You know? So, all right. Really quickly, chat, Homeboy Chud the Builder. He's going through it. Kind of talked about this either on earlier stream

or the stream yesterday. But apparently, he is now getting exposed left and right. A black woman has now came out to let people know that she was in a relationship with Chud the Builder, and she claimed she was pegging him. I don't know what's the latest obsession with All these men now admitting that they were either getting pegged or accusations that were getting pegged.

But apparently Chud was loving himself some BBC pause before he turned full-blown, you know, racist. Check this out. But I am a Chud. Right. Yeah, you were cool. You see, I don't remember you that much, but I do remember I know you. See it? We got roots.

We're following liver king. You used to sell me. I fed you before. It's been a long time. But I healed your stomach by teaching you how to eat real food? Yes, yes. What was your name again? I'm Lana.

But that's why I'm confused what happened to you. Not fucked Dalton since like 2015. Oh, so the girl he met is like, oh, yo, I'm in a different version of you. Like, you weren't just racist. What the hell happened? What's up, y'all? Lily Venus here. Pretty bitch with a big dick.

It's literally in my bio. I'm only bringing this up. because Chub the Builder's cameraman put our conversation on Broadway on YouTube. Now millions of people know what I look like fresh off work. Fucking great. But in the caption, it said that black woman who used to smoke mid and get raw dogs by Chuck the builder. Well, he's not lying. I already told y'all we used to smoke.

He used to sell me weed. And we did raw dog a lot. Me, him, and my ex-wife. I am a professional pegger. It is no secret that I perform prostate massages, if you will, for men. I've been doing it for a very long time now. Most of my clientele is white men. We sign NDA agreements.

I talk about me pegging all the time, but I never tell you names because discretion is key. Confidentiality is why my client list is so long. But Chud mentioned it first. I think that he said it the way he said it because the white supremacists were probably like, Ew, used to hang out with a black girl. Shame on you. So you had to make it sound good. But see, here's the thing. I'm an Edgar Gore, too.

Lily Venus. Hi. Hail, the great mother. So I am all about enlightenment, controversy, occultism, witchcraft, and of course, love. So me talking about this, this is what my brand is about. Let's expose it, bro. So yes, pretty bitch with a big dick. Whoa. I have not fucked Dalton since, like,

2015 um he was a little chubbier then his cheeks used to clap in such what brough just like the cutest way uh now chud he doesn't even have a little chubby butt no more so i probably wouldn't fuck him again but i'm wondering did you bring that up because you want to spin the block now when i first fucked him he was a virgin and i'm having a hunch that you probably hasn't been fucked since me and my ex-wife. We can start small, buddy. I got you. You don't have to fucking... Too much. Too far. Too far, dog. Too far. Bumblecloth, too far. Cap, like, if you're going to say that we fucked, say the whole truth, okay? Now, with that

being said, why do I peg? Because it's a hustle and it helps me get through college. I'm still in college. But now I don't have a choice. I will forever be a top because I had a surgery three years ago, the doctor fucked up and chopped my coochial. And that's just that on that. I don't even know what I just heard. Anyway, Chud, who I told you guys got arrested, he's now back on the internet, fresh out of jail. And, you know, apparently he's claiming that the FBI,

pulled up on him because he was chimping out. Check this out. So the FBI had a conversation with Chud the Builder for him chimping out. They actually believe that he might be a part of some hate group or he might be a part of some terrorist group. Why, Chud the Builder has been chimping out. By the way, isn't it ironic? he accuses black people of not being able to act civilized, yet he's the only one getting arrested in all these situations.

He's been arrested twice in the last, like, couple of weeks. Check this out with him talking about what he went through when the federal authorities questioned him about his chimpin out. Listen, they took me to a fucking building that was not the jail. Oh yeah, I can't hear it. Could you? Alright, let me see if I could. Try to shut the builder.

FBI. Let me see if I could. I'm trying to amplify it here. Boy. Why? Okay, how could I fucking amplify this shit? Damn. If I can't.

All right. I'm just having to try to turn this up, right? Listen. They took me to a. fucking building that was not the jail they arrested me they did not take me to the jail to book

immediately. They took me some building, then some dude in plain clothes gets out, he's clearly a detective, and he takes me into the fucking room in the back of the building, leaves me there for like a fucking hour, again handcuffed. I'm not going to lie, he's a nice guy. He tells me

he tells me that, oh, you know, the FBI is interested in talking to you. We're waiting on him. They sat there for longer. Chud, they want to talk to you because you're chimping out. And they sit down and he's like, okay, I'm with the, and I'm with the terrorist, anti-terrorist organization or fucking whatever unit.

I'm from New York. When I come down here, I love it down in Nashville. So we're all, so we're sitting there. And he's talking to me, asking me questions. saying, are you with any organizations? I'm like, organizations, I'm literally just a dude with a fucking phone. Just a nigger with a phone. Then he says, well, are you affiliated with the GDL?

Like, what the fuck is the GDL? Never even heard nothing like that. The Goyam defense leave. I'm like, okay, is that Goyam retarded boy, handsome truth, pagan fag? Oh, my bet. I was just trying to tell him to watch out with the N-word. You know, you know, we don't want him in his terrorist association to be spewing hatred like this. You guys chuckled.

Guy chuckled. He said, that's funny. I said, yeah, it is funny because I said he seems like a bigger fed than you guys. Talk about a subversive Jew. Then they started asking me, oh, we see that you applied for a passport, you know, and everything that's going on around you. We're just curious, man. We're just concerned. I said, listen, I don't give a fuck.

I have nothing to hide. It's 2 a.m. in the fucking morning. I'm just tired of shit. I know you guys do this shit on purpose. You get people, you know, neurotically stressed via fucking sleep deprivation, and then you interrogate them. I'm nothing to hide from you people. The grace of God is with me.

Do you have any... I'm wondering why Chud didn't call them the N-word and accuse the feds of chimping out. Or does he only do that to people who are black in Nashville who don't want to. want to get filmed in or minding their business. I pray every day I do use any lethal force or any type of force, whether non-lethal or lethal. I get on my knees and pray every single morning, before every day. Yo, Chud, I got a wager for you.

I'm a betting man. I got a wager for you, and you're right, I pray you never have to use your weapon either. But I got a wager because you think only your gun works. I got a friendly wager. if you know God forbid you're ever in that situation and a gun is used I think it probably won't be yours if you want to take that bet because you you have already shows your hands to everyone they know your weapon of choice you're telling them that when they see you if they try to touch you you're going to mace them so at this point people are going to have to just come prepared right they got to be

ready for mace if they if they touch you or whatever and you have now said you're going to leave some people's brains on the pavement which means it wouldn't be smart for someone to pull up on you unarmed which is only right that people level like even the plane feel listen i'm warning all americans chud the builder is running around thinking that he's the only one that has a second amendment right if you're pulling up on him please be caution he's extremely dangerous not only with his rhetoric, but with his understanding of the law, because he thinks that antagonizing is

him practicing his free speech right. If you pull up on him, you should probably have a weapon too. Maybe multiple. Not one, maybe two, maybe three, okay? Maybe have a couple of your homeboys, and he's already promised that he's ready to lay somebody's

brain on the pavement. Again, for any lower Biden citizens that also is armed, maybe you want to have a couple of your homies, because he'd think you're about to have a good old Texas-style shootout, all right? I don't think this guy's thinking it through all the way, but I'm waiting for Chud to live up to some of his promises. I don't think he's going to go too well.

The Feds have now scared. I've never seen this boy look so scared. He looked like he's now, he seems so sad that he can't be racist no more. It's like, yeah, they're investigating me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. So, yeah, he's being investigated or at least being looked into by the Fes. And you know why? Because what he's doing is a divisive thing, right?

like simple and plain. They think he's a terrorist because he's trying to create a race war. Black and white people have came so far from such social issues that have divided us in the past that when a goddamn honky like you comes out here and you're intentionally trying to start problems and you're trying to have the entire black race be mad at the entire white race when really it's not all white people. It's just you. and I'm not even going to lie to you.

Like, I hate to make predictions because I'm sometimes good with him. You know who I think might actually smoke this nigga? It might be a white dude. You know why? Because a nigga like this is going to fuck up all the progress. This white dude right here is going to fuck up all the progress between black and white people. It might just be another white dude that smokes this guy. Real talk.

But I do want to warn all Americans, Chud the Builder, has promised, not threatened, but he's promised that if he is, you know, approach a certain way, he's down to use deadly force. So I would say approach with caution. This guy is heavily armed. Make sure if you are in his vicinity, if you don't have a appropriate, don't bring no knife to no gun battle.

And again, I'm not saying you should do nothing with a gun. But I'm just letting you know, I wouldn't walk up on a man that has a gun unless I got a gun. So just please be warned The FBI is looking at him He's an antagonizer And he's trying to He's trying his best

To get a self-defense case That he'd think he could get his you know His little George Zimmerman off Or Kyle Rittenhouse off It's not gonna happen Don't bite into it but make sure you're protected Because according to him he's gonna leave someone black Brains on the pavement

And just that alone Maybe doesn't constitute a threat individually but it constitutes a definite warning, which means if you walk up on him, listen, you're in the state of good old Tennessee. You could open carry. Keep your hands on yours because I think he got his hands on his. We're going to see how long this last.

He's been arrested twice. The FBI is now looking into him, and he clearly has some type of pension to try to incite racial violence, except the only a white racist would actually agree with his tactics and his way of moving around. So you got to watch out for the white dudes who are actually like secretly trying to live vicariously through them.

They racist too, but they're just pussy. So we will see what happens with Chud the biller. He's been arrested twice. By the way, I think somebody should be looking into can he carry a gun illegal, like legally? He's been out on bail for one case. Now he's called another case. In both cases, he had a weapon.

Now, granted, none of the cases included him brandishing a weapon or threatening someone with a weapon. However, and sometimes when you're granted bond for a situation, it might be like you have to surrender your gun. So make sure he's legally carrying a gun, but just be safe out there. This guy, he's a menace, and I appreciate the FBI for interrogating him. He does come across as a divisive terrorist, okay? You never know.

This nigga might be getting paid by Israel or something, okay? Dead ass. Anyway, please be warned. All right, listen to the rest of this. this but we're going to move the fuck on. It's the last thing I ever want to do, which is why I try to de-escalate and all my streams prove that.

Cap. These people took all my phones. That is evidence of the crime of me. Yeah, so they got an investigation going on on you. Streaming, me walking out, disorderly conduct. I don't believe that for a second. I don't believe that for a second.

Well, well, here's the thing, and this is where he's opening himself up to some legal issues. he keeps thinking everything is self-defense. Someone should probably tell him that everything isn't self-defense. For example, if you're seen as possibly assaulting someone, right, and it doesn't fall under self-defense, that's where the feds will come in.

Because if he pepper sprays someone black, it wouldn't be a regular assault, it would be legit a hate crime. He's literally walking around using racial epithets, and he's then trying to pepper spray them or go with them into a situation where you could use a gun. That would technically be a hate crime if he is seen to be in the wrong of any of these situations.

I wake up the next day I try to go to the Apple store or buy new phones because I don't even want the old ones back. Blown them, put a fucking bomb in them. Put a pager bomb in them. I don't even want them back. So I go to buy new phones at the store. bank card won't work Go to the ATM won't work

I'm calling the bank Customer service On the phone with them Hey can you Can you unlock our card Okay It should be unlocked I'm putting a code on it

To force the transaction now I go to the fucking store Try to work Doesn't work Okay Interesting Very interesting But uh yeah

Ched the Builder Uh I see I seen Charlemaine He got don't get a day today. And, you know, it's one of those, you know how much of a piece of shit you got to be where like almost every black person I've seen unite with this.

You know what I mean? Like, there's certain situations where, like, black people are divided. Like, I'm going to show you one in a second where I think black people are going to be divided. But this, every black person, when they see this guy, all they can see is a pile of steaming shit. Like, there's nobody who's defending this guy. This guy's just a piece of garbage, right?

Like, straight up just a piece of garbage. Let me see. Can I find the Donk of the Day thing? This is Charlaman talking about it. And after I'll play you something where reasonably people might be divided on that topic. But this guy right here, everybody knows, a piece of shit. Are you camera? What up, nuk.

And by the way, someone says Charleston White. No, Charleston White isn't divided. Charleston White is just challenging black people to say, hey, listen, we see you guys kill each other for less. Go do something now. He's not saying this guy is great. He is speaking about this guy as it is a good thing that he is holding up the mirror to the black community

to show that we only harm each other. But he's kind of saying the same thing. Yo, y'all be doing all type of shit to each other, not caring about jail, this, And third, well, what about this guy right here? Wait, oh, is it because he has a gun? Well, you know, if you just slap the shit out of him, he can't shoot you. That's just not how it works.

So I thought you, I said, yeah, that's kind of his angle. I know it kind of comes across like he loves the guy, but he's trying to show the black community, like, y'all, y'all activate so quickly to kill each other, but this guy walks around with impunity. How you been, dude? They chimping out again. Real Y-Ns recognize real. Real niggins recognize real, but you, you fake. Cramp me.

Nip. Nip. Krize. Oh, I'm not. Do you know what America is? Free speech. Tell me I can't say something again. This is a fucking America.

This is America. I can call him the nip if I want. Hey, is that black guy bothering you? Is that this thing bothering you? Oh, no. He laughed about it. Now, this is where I do disagree with Myron. This guy's a piece of shit.

I'm telling you. This guy's a piece of shit. I keep telling you, the first nigga that, the first thing that gets a good video of them slapping earth, wind, and fire, or at least giving them a 10-piece combo, no fries with a goddamn lemonade. Even if you get a simple assault or something like that, trust. GoFund me is going to be lit. We might even have a marathon for your ass on this bitch. I ain't even going to lie to you. Round of applause to the first, brother.

Okay? Because you know the problem I have with some of these scenarios? I don't be hearing enough slurs being hurled back at folks. Okay, what be wrong with your tongues? All right? I know it's shocking when a crack-ass cracker like Judd the building tries you, but you got to take a deep breath, okay, and understand the power that lot.

Now, we ain't doing slur for slur. Fuck all that. we need some Memphis niggas we need some Memphis niggas in Nashville to handle this problem man because I'm telling you anytime someone talks like how this guy is talking

he ain't really about it like when a guy is talking so freely he ain't never shot none he's trying to scare people with the gun there's gonna be somebody who got a gun to or don't give a day that boy ain't trying to nobody let's be honest within your tongue all right cracker

pecker wood honky milk cricket white devil, pigskin punk. I'm just saying there's a few you can let go towards a white supremacist like Chud de Bill do, okay? There's nothing wrong with matching energies, okay? And if you're in an open carry state, you got a legal firearm. If he threatens to Mace you, then you flash him and let him know what could happen if he, you know, assault you with that Mace. You can't even say defend, sir.

I didn't even say defend. You said flash. You can't do that. No, if you threaten me with Mace, you let you pull out your can of Mace and show me you got to got your mace, I'm gonna show you I got my thing too. Okay, so if you assault me with your mace, I'm gonna defend myself. I'm gonna protect myself, that's right. All right.

Now, now, why you interrupt me? I'm sorry. Okay, Jesus Christ. Now, there's nothing wrong with matching energies, okay, ever, all right? Now, I don't think society understands. What I think society don't understand about people like Chud is he's just a terrible human. Okay, and terrible humans don't really care about other humans. I know he's a racist and you think that he might only act an ass toward black.

people but no. Hold on. I just seen some shit. Wait, hold on. This better not be true, bro. I know they said Sneko not supporting this nigga.

Like, come on, bro. They said, Sneako, what? It said, Sneco said he spoke to him and warned him

and said. Chud the Builder's side. Yeah, I saw that. What do you guys think about Chud the Builder? What do you guys think about him? He chipped out on me.

Did you guys, he chipped out on me when I met with Ed Crave, Even the KIC CEO, he was really upset that I had a meeting with. Who gives the fuck what he thinks? The KIC CEO. And I message him, I'm like, you jumped out of me. He's like, yeah, you're right.

And I saw he's getting his hat snatched. I'll just be straight up. I reached out to him. I told him, bro, you got to, you should probably do some desktops because a lot of people are thinking that. Yo, Sneak, I'm going to keep it up being you, my friend. But we might have to take your nigger pass. We can't have you say nigger no more neither, bro. Hold on now, nigga.

Hold on now, nigga. Ah, hell now. You see, the Edward, though, hit it. Like, you look like you from Vietnam or some shit, nigga. Hold on now, brother. You over here telling this, nigga, safety tips? Nah. Let him, nah.

Let him stay out on the streets. What do you mean? Talking about you tell him to stay inside, like, like you care about as well. Yo, Sneaker, we might have to revoke your nigger pass, bro. Word up, bro. Hell now. You can't be telling the white supremacist how to survive the storm. What the fuck?

Yo. Yo, yo, let me put it in your words. It's like telling the Israel niggins how to... Yo, what's wrong with you, brother? Nah, hell, nah, Sneko. We might have to, like, do a research on you, bro. We don't know if you could say a nigga for the next month, bro. You tweaking.

How the hell you over here trying to give the racist, nigga, advice on how to keep being racist and not... What? What the hell going... Snigo? You are going to be a... target. A lot of people want him dead. I'll just put it straight up. And I don't agree with a lot of what he does. It's, uh, it can be. See, that's another thing. You're thinking, stop lying.

Ain't nobody want that nigga dead. That's cap. No, you see, this is how y'all start, this is why y'all start validating this chimping out thing. Nobody want him dead. There's a certain type of people you don't antagonize in public and they just walk away or you get to be just saying he's chimp it out. Like there's a lot of places in America, you don't go to do these little pranks, you get slapped, or it was much worse, or they just might meet your energy, whatever your energy is. Keep in mind, I don't hear these people telling him, he's the one that usually says, oh, I got a gun. They don't tell him that first. He's the one who says, I wish I would. So, Sneako, come on now. What's wrong with you, brother?

Be antagonizing, but a lot of stuff's funny. I can't even lie to you. Oh, hell, no, ain't about it funny. Nothing, ain't nothing about it funny. Nope. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Sneko, we might have to take your black card. We can't have you. Come on, Sneiko. It would be funny to you because I don't think the epitip. Yo, Sneko, ain't you Muslim, nigga?

If I said some anti-Muslim shit, nigga, you mean your feelings, nigga, like praying on the rug 15 times, nigga. You're not black. So, like, what you mean? Ain't none of this shit funny. Ain't none of this shit funny. Because, again, it's, you know, For example, let me use Sneko as an example.

Sneako. You say the N-word. You ain't black. But there is a lot of gray area when it comes to, like, you know, people say in the N-word. Like, you're using it as a colloquial as a term of endearment. And you yourself don't even say the hardy are. It's very different. And by the way, I have, you know, I've seen a white dude say nigger.

And people aren't going to be up in arms. This guy is clearly different. It's hard for me to be amused by a white dude walking around in a town that if you kind of look on it on face value, it's kind of already like trying to like on a social status, like make white people feel like they're a little bit better than other races. And he's antagonizing homeless black folks and other black folks that are minding their business in the streets. And he's not only just attacking them for what they're doing. him, he's inciting arguments that he could call them. And when you hear most of his rhetoric, he applies it to the entire race, not just one person who may offend him.

It's not that, it ain't amusing to me. I'm not, it could be amusing to you or whatever you got going on. But yeah, like, yo, I guarantee if this was some Islam shit, if this was some Islam bullshit, I guarantee, I guarantee that nigga's sneaker would have been on some other shit, you know, I mean, he goes. hard for the Islam. Oh, Sneiko call me now. Yo, Sneiko, I can't believe you over here, you over here, like,

communing with this Chudde the building, motherfucker, bro. What's it up, my nigga? Brett, whoa, whoa, hold on, no, we got to take it. No, we got to take your N-word pass, bro. You're tweaking. You are over here communing with that guy? Yeah, I told him to stop antagonizing people, and it's not going to end out well,

so you should probably stop going out of public and antagonizing people, especially I saw the street from you, you were saying, like, people are going to put money on his head that there's going to be a GoFlemy. I don't say that. Sneakle, we got to be asking. No, no, no.

You weren't calling for it, but I saw you say if somebody did do something that the go-farmie would start hitting. No, of course, it would. Because, again, you have someone who is targeting an entire race by antagonizing individual-specific people of that race who didn't provoke him, right? Like, put it like this. if he let off a couple racial episodes I always fuck up with that word towards some black guy who was being an asshole to him right

we might still call him racist like I do you're racist but the entire race won't be mad you get what I'm saying everybody who is black we could tell he's just trying to use the word period to describe a group or really a racial group of people

yeah that's the point there's no word in the English language that gets people so riled up like that word. There's no word you can say for white people where they're going to get that angry. People say I saw Mayo Monkey, Cracker, Honky. It doesn't hit. It doesn't work the same way.

Asian people, you can't say a word like that. You're going to get the same reaction. We shouldn't give this much power to words. We shouldn't allow this to control you. You want to be controlled by a word? Isn't that slavery? You show, Sneaker. You always come up with these, like, crazy.

Yo, Sneiko, you Muslim, right? Yeah, and there's funny words. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, you must have. I cool. So you cool with me calling all Muslim niggas terrorists as a term of endearment? Well, do you believe that? No, no.

Suppose that's what I want to call them because. Well, you don't believe. If people have real intentions, if people actually leave that, that's wrong. A racial slur usually don't have no definition to it. The N-word with the hard ER, what's the definition of that? It's just, it's a slur to bring you down. So yeah there's other slurs like the word dumb the word dumb means somebody who's not able to speak But it doesn't have the same connotation the word retard

Oh no no If I call all Muslim terrorists It has social implications just like if you call someone the end word It does have that social implication in terms of what it is not about what it means It's about you're using a term to denigrate a whole group You don't believe that? Come on that People say that all my Muslim friends I call them terrorists too if they're Palestinian I call them Hamas

If it has real intentions, if you mean it, then that's a different conversation. But if you're joking around, we shouldn't let words control us emotionally. So you're saying that this guy is joking around when he's saying he's going to leave a black dude. I think he actually has animosity. Okay. By the way, you know what you're describing? You're describing it's like the N-word. Okay, if somebody says, nigger, like it's using endearing fashion, right?

You're saying, oh, I say terrorist to my, like, whoever friends, and you're using it in a term of endearment. dearment you don't mean it you're not using to bring them down what this guy's doing that's that's why i said that's why i told him i said you should stop doing those iRL streams i don't know why you're upset about that it seems like something bad's going to happen somebody's going to act in a way when they get a go funny i'm wondering which part was it amusing there was a video where a guy was saying one of those he's talking about his shoes and then he looks at his shoes and he has an ankle monitor on that's funny there's another video where he's arguing with a guy and he's not reporting on his phone and he's like, you're not even recording.

And then he laughs about it. And they're calling each other bitch and they're calling each other this. A lot of that is funny. These are words. Hold on, see, this is where you're lying now. You want to call? Let me call you on Discord real quick.

90% of what this guy, you can call me. 90% of what this guy is saying is slurs. Like, let's not trying to like, oh, no. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's why I said, I don't agree with that. I don't think he should be doing that. That's why I told him you should stop doing these streams outside.

Something bad's going to happen. All right. So, like, let me ask you this question. The guy who, you know, I believe you said your group is called love speech. How could you even commune with someone who spread it hate speech? Do you think this is hate speech or not? A lot of it is hateful, yeah. But that's why I'm trying to get him to not be doing things out of hate.

Let me call you on this point. Got to watch out for Sneakle, y'all. What up? All right. You know, sneak up, man. We got to watch out for you, man. This is a little bit surprising. One sec, one sec, one sec.

It was good. You got to, hold on me to fix the mic. Yo, talk. Yo, yo, yo, could you hear me? Could you hear me? Mike check. Oh, I think, uh... Could you hear me?

Is it working? Well, I can hear you. One more time, one time. Could you hear me? Can you hear me? You hear me, but there's an echo, I guess. One second, one side. Maybe you should hit up Chud the builder to get some technical advice.

Yeah, I can't hear you now. No, I can hear you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's going, how are you feeling? Listen, no, no, we, listen, I think we might have to bring it to a poll. Sneako, you got to stick to like some Islam stuff in overseas, brother. Like when it comes to, you know, we're in a very interesting. While you, most of your streams is about what the hell Trump is doing and what the fuck is going on over Iran and them bullshit-ass countries like Israel, we don't give a damn about none of them.

They all could go to hell. What we care about is what's going on over here. And right now, race relations within this country is at a point that is much better than years previous. And when we see an antagonist, I think that every race should come together and say, let's get this piece of shit out of the paint quickly, that we don't go down. a spiraling downward path like what happened when the BLM movement had to, you know, quote, quote, just jump out the blue. And we all seen some of the errors with that. But right now, we don't need some nigga named Chud the Builder popping up doing all the dumb shit. Let's get this nigga out of the paint.

And anyone who says differently, we got to start. In the words of Chud the Builder, they're saying you're chipping up. I'm joking. But what did I say that you're upset about? I told him to stop doing the IRS streams like that. It's a bad idea. I want him to continue. I want him to continue.

You want something violent to happen. I don't want violence. I'm love speech. I don't want to see people antagonizing one another. I don't want to see hate. I don't want to see something bad happen. So I said you should probably go inside. It's going to end up bad.

You can antagonize someone. Someone's going to act it away. It's just a bad idea. I'm not saying I want him to stop because of violence happening. I want based on what he's saying he's saying he's down to stand or whatever he's down to

he's been saying I actually believe if something was going to happen to him it would probably be a Caucasian that would probably hurt him you know usually when guys are spitting

all of that political stuff I don't see a lot of black people you know what I mean look at Charlie Kirk who clapped him look at all these who keep trying to shoot at Trump is the white dude

so when he's talking about First Amendment right and oh he's basically also saying hey he got his second amendment right to me that's political he he says he's a free speech advocate black people usually mind they business okay if they have issues they have issues with people that are in their vicinity over actual things that you know would make sense for interpersonal issues this guy is talking politics and just just look at the people who've been smoking the politicians okay that's very true so so i think the person who go who going handle him would be white, but I'm not saying that he should continue that because I'm like, hey, listen, if he's that radical,

do you think he should be handled violently? I think he, I think he encourages it. But you're not answering the question. What? Do you think that somebody should do something violent to him? No, but I think they should meet him with the energy that he has, right? So that's why I told him. I don't know why you're upset.

I told him you should stop doing these IRL streams. They should tell them to stop the rhetoric. We should disarm the meanings of these words. We can't let words like that control us. Why is that the only word where people feel justified in America to act violently over it? There's no other word in the English language that elicits the same reaction that that word does. So I'm not going to defend acting violent over a word. We can't repurpose.

We can't repurpose history, right? And that word is... But we do all the time. We do all the time. the word retard doesn't mean the same thing. No, no, no, no. Even the word nigger doesn't mean the same thing. Black people have used it colloquially.

And now that's a perfect, that actually the word you're talking about has been repurposed to be a term of endearment. To meet anything. Sneaker, what I'm saying is that you can't repurpose history. I said black people, nigger has been repurposed. It was a word to mean slave and now it means. Snigo, snego, you're being obtuse. The guy is, hold only.

The way he's, saying what he's saying is a direct callback to slavery brother like if if you think it's it's not like he's saying it meaning something else we know what he means so you're trying to make this point like oh nigger has been repurposed is that what he's saying is he like oh what up my nigga is that what he's saying or is he actually saying that hey you're a lesser human being and I'm using this word to remind you of that you tell me what he what he's saying He is saying that, but it only has that meaning. So why do we need to repurpose what he's saying?

His, hold on, he's, his intentions are clear. Let words control us. It's not about words controlling us, right? So you're now talking about actions. I'm talking about the word, first of all. So you're basically admitting that he's antagonizing, right, race relations by trying to bring up a time or a, you know, he's trying to treat black people as subhuman by how he's speaking to them, right? And then you're saying, okay, even if he's doing that, we should just not be violent.

And I hear you with that. But you got him into the first part first. We agree on the violent thing. But you could only get rage baited if you get rage baited. You could only allow this word to have that power if you agree to that frame. We should repurpose this word so that we can't be controlled by the many. more. The same reason retard has been repurposed, niggas been repurposed, dumb. Even the word Negro used to be the correct word to call a black person, but it became a slur because it

reminds us of a time of civil rights. Now it is a slur, but at the time in the 60s and the 50s, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, even back then in slavery time. All right, Sneako. It wasn't a slur. That was the word for black people. Sniko. It became a slur because times changed. All right, let me repeat again. I'm going to go slow this time because I see you're trying to get your point off without actually engaged. agent. Okay. He's breaking it back. No, no, no.

No, no. Hold on. His intention. Let's not say, oh, let's take the power out of the word. Because if we took the power out of that word, he would use whatever word that had the power. Let's not trying to give him a pass. Let the only word. Brother, if he had to call you a slave, he would just say slave.

Come on. The point is his goal is to offend. Let's stop acting like his goal is to say a word and we're triggered by the word. Right? So, okay, so now that we agree on that, now we could get to the, okay, what is the appropriate response? In a very civilized and perfect world, there is no violence when someone is either using oppressive language or either is trying to oppress. But let me ask you, since you're a big fan of religion, religious wars are some of the most violent wars in history. You don't think that's where, at some point, even in religion, it gets to violence.

Right? Wars? What's going on over there in, in, was it, Gaza and Iran and Israel? It gets to violence. So I get what you're saying, but over there, they're fighting too. At some point, it gets to violence. That's what I'm saying. It gets to the comparison doesn't make sense. That didn't start based off of words. The genocide in Gaza didn't start because they said, you're a terror. Words could be oppressive. Hold on. Could words be oppressive? If you let them. So bombs are really oppressive. Like bombs. ethnic cleansing, starvation, that's oppressive. Worlds are only oppressive if you allow them to be. So despite the meaning, so despite the meaning, so despite the meaning, let me ask you a question. Like, if you go back, if you go back, you know, in the original articles and like, you know, in some of the original laws where black people are seen as three-fifths of a human,

that's not oppressive, right? That's just words. Three-fifths, three-fifths a whole same thing. So that's not oppressive. Of course it is. Does that still exist? But it existed. My point,

my point is, it's in the past, so let it be in the past. No, no, no, no. So let go. So this is how we move forward. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So this is in the past.

So, this guy is basically allowed to bring back up the past, right? Use racial slurs and try to almost treat people like we're in the past. But yet,

we're supposed to let, go the past. Nick, you think we're Gandhi, nigga? Okay. Is he acting like a slave master? He's a rage baiter on stream. Brother, I...

No, no, brother. I hear how he's talking to black people. Holding a selfie camera in public. He's hardly a slave... That nigga's talking like Abraham Lincoln. He's talking like a damn slave master. I ain't going to lie to you. Abraham Lincoln free the slaves.

But you use that word all the time. That's like you're probably... You probably use that word. This exact word that you're angry about is the word that you probably use the most in your stream. Is it not?

the hard ER fuck no niggott it's the same word he's no it's not it no it's not no it's not yes it's the same exact what did black what did black slaves call other black slaves in slave yeah yo yeah yo

if yo you can't keep jumping between points you talk about words being repurpose hold on so where do you talk about words being repurpose where does that word come from you hear what I'm saying yo I hear what I'm saying sneakle are you mixed like what do you mix Because if you're trying to say, bro, if you're trying to say nigger and nigger is the same thing?

Where does it come from? Where does, where does nigger come from with the soft egg? You're not in some of the, it's a simple question. Where does it come from? Okay, it comes from the other word. However, it has two different meanings. It has two different meanings. It's been repurposed, right?

It has two different meanings. Wait, wait, has that word been repurposed to mean something colloquial? Yes, but it has, but both words now have two different meanings. Exactly. Exactly. So that word should be repurposed too. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Why not? Why not?

Snego. And this is where I think my frustration is with you because it's like, you're one of those, oh, it's just words. It's like, this is how, this is the first I'm like, yo, Sneakle's not. We got to start like revoking like all these nigger passes because, yeah, wait. So when you, wait, well, let me ask a question. I have a better one for you. I got a better one for you. It is. No, no, I got a better one for you then. If you think they're the same word,

why don't you get up on here or when you're talking to people, don't say niggas, say nigger. Why don't you do it? I don't want to hurt. No, why don't you? Oh, so you admit there are two different words. So why don't you use them interchangeably?

Why don't you use them interchangeably? Because it's going to make you upset. I don't want to hurt you. Oh, so you're agreeing that they mean different things or they're like that's what words are. If one word would evoke a different feeling than another word, are they the same word? The point is you should not allow it to evoke the same feeling.

Why would you let a word have that power? Disarm it. It only has the power that you give it. The same way that words. You're bro, you sound like, yay, when he says slavery is a choice. Like, you're now blaming the people who are offended rather than the people who are choosing to offend. Like, they're going out of their way to choose to offend.

You know, you know, place, please. Even going back to your point. So the hardy are, right? They have made a relative word that's this nigger that is more, oh, hey, we're going to try to strip some of the, you know, historical slavery past and we're going to try to make it a cool type of colloquial. You're going to still defend the other shit? I'm saying that the hardy are should be used colloquial the same way that nigger has been. Where does that word nigger come from? Just answer the question.

Where does the word nigger come from? Hold on. You're talking about what should be. Yo. You're talking about what should be and what is. Yo, like, where does that word? Act, just answer the question. Where does that word come from?

Hold on. We just did this. We just did this. Okay. It comes. We just did this. The reason that it sounds like that is because black people have a different intonation and the way they pronounce, they pronounce eight words, right?

Instead of er, with the er, they just say, oh, nigger, and then it becomes repurposing. for the black community, but it has the same exact route, the same exact time, and it meant the same thing. It doesn't, it doesn't call each other. Okay, but it doesn't mean the same thing now, but it doesn't mean the same thing now. Exactly. And it should be repurposed.

It doesn't mean the same thing now the same way. This word should not mean the same thing now. No, but slavery doesn't exist anymore. Slavery is over. Hey, it's done. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure you'd think the same about the Holocaust. Like, no, it don't work like that.

You don't get to pick what? Exactly. That's, you know what my favorite song is that I got all this back? No, I'm, I'm gonna chill. I don't want to hear.

I don't want to hear. Okay. Yo, go to circle. Yo, yo, act, hold up.

I'm cooking right now. We debut that song on our stream. That disarms the same thing. The worst thing ever. Hitler, Hitler, worst thing ever. Kanye had been apologizing for that for like three.

Yo, Kanye's in every Jewish, Jews. Was it mosque? Like, or synagogue, whatever the hell they got going on. Kanye ain't every single one of them.

I don't. don't apologize for that song. What does that song do? Yeah, that's why you're canceled. The three most taboo. That's why you're in that apartment. But I'm a free slave. I ran away from the plantation. I'm not controlled like you by words. You're shackled up by words. You're still a slave to these words. Yo. Nigger, Hale, Hitler. Yo, Sneakle, just let yourself be free. Say the most taboo things and it no longer has the meaning that you allow it to have. Sneakle. Nigel,

Nigel. I ain't going to allow to you, bro. Yo, Andrew Tate, could you come back and give this name? They don't understand that things I say on Shudstream. Yo, Sneakle, you tweaking. I can't spin out.

You were tweaking. Hey, let me say this, man. Right. It kind of, it looks bad on your character that these are the type of people you're trying to protect their speech. Okay?

You're trying to protect the speech of Shut the builder. Okay. I just want to like make sure we're like on the same, you know. The reason I messaged him was because I don't want something violent to happen because if somebody tries to do something

and be a vigilante, there can be a bad situation for the person and for it's just going to be bad overall. It's a bad look on streaming. It's a bad look for the country. It's just not good. I don't want to see violence. I don't want to see people on either side

crash out over a word. So you shouldn't tell them to stay inside. You should tell them it's like you at some point at some point you should say stop antagonizing people don't get people upset and try to change up the rhetoric and act with more love speech be more Christ like he's Christian

that's what I was telling him this is not the way that Jesus wanted him to act you think he's Christian he says Christ is King in his bio yeah I think he's Christian is that the only thing that you know once you say that you're good no you're not good that's why I'm saying that he shouldn't be doing these streams

I told him stop doing those IRL streams what was his response to you He said, basically like, he told you you're chipping out, huh? No, he didn't. No, he didn't. I told him he was chipping out, actually. That's how a conversation. I, I de-empted him.

I said, you're chipping out. And he said, you're kind of right. And then we had a conversation. He said, it doesn't go viral the same way when I'm doing desktop streams. So I said, like, you got to, if you want to stay, you know, if you want to be alive, if you want to protect yourself, if you don't want something violent. Now, he has a death wish. You got to let that man live out his, live out his goal.

Well, I don't want to see people. people have a death wish because I want people to be okay. I want to see peace. I guess. Yeah, but listen, man, we got to, hey, I know you're usually in like your, um, religious stuff. I'm going to be honest with you. I could give two fucks about what's going on with the Jewish people and them Palestinian

niggas, both of them niggins because just go away. So you care more about a word than you do about genocide? Yeah, I care more about black people more than I care about that type of shit. You care more about this word. I just said, I already said what I said that. You just said that. You care more about the hard are. I care more than I care about that type of shit.

Facts. Okay, but the difference is a word and genocide. Brother, I just told you, I care more about black people in this country that I live in more than what the fuck is going on over there in Israel and Palestine. I don't care who wins that shit. Okay, so genocide's happening in Palestine and a word is being used in America. I rather, I care about black people more. Yeah, but there's not a genocide on black people. Well, well, listen, we got to nip it in the bullshit.

bud before it gets there. This thing is about to start a race war. Fuck what's going on in Palestine and goddamn Israel. That's why I said you should stop. That's why fuck what's going on. I don't want to see a race war. I don't want to see people. This is why listen.

You know, sometimes you see how Trump went out, went out there and like clap that nigger from Iran, that fucking Supreme Leader. That might have to be chud. Get him out of the way because he's trying to start some shit. We ain't trying to do it. Yeah, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see people die over a word.

Well, he's problematic. We might like somebody somebody might have to just do it. I don't care. I don't care who do it black white who cares I care. I don't want to see people die for a stupid reason I guess advocating for violence is not the way if he's no nobody wants to prevent race He's the violent one you don't realize he's a violent one Isn't he majority acting in he's acting in self-defense right? Do you see what he's saying? He's daring people to do something words words aren't violent act Words aren't violent. Your rhetoric could be insightful.

But no, no, using an individual word is not an act of violence. And so if you want to stop racism, then we can't let words trigger something that makes us violent. All right, polite is. If you want to stop racism, I watch him pepper spray a guy who like flipped his hat off or something like that. Technically doesn't that kind of self-defense? he wasn't arrested for that. Man, that guy should have blew his brains out, man. Legally doesn't that count of self-defense?

I'm not justifying it. Pepper spray. Two girls were eating dinner. I didn't like to see that. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. And they got hit also when he pepper sprayed. That's not good.

But technically legally in America, that counts to self-defense. Well, there's a lot of, like, actual legalities to that because if he's using beer mace, it, you know, you have to have appropriate force, right? It's the reason why if someone, like, hits your hat off, you can. can't shoot him dead. He's using a weapon, right, that is actually illegal in certain places, right? So I'm not sure if that necessarily is self-defense. But, you know, again, I'm not a lawyer. I'm watching some of the nonsense he's doing. I think he's chimping out, okay? I think what he's doing to amuse us, I can't wait to see the conclusion. But I think the conclusion, I don't want him to go to

Joe. I don't want to see people die. Like, I don't think that's good. I don't think he'll die. You were saying that somebody can get a GoFund me. And I don't know, I'm seeing like rappers, NLEC chop was saying that he's going to do something. It's just, it's just not good.

It's a bad situation. He's going to get a little wake-up call. Like, and I'm not saying it's going to be violent, but I know how this story ends. This story ends with him getting a wake-up call, and he goes from Chud the Builder to, to fucking just a Karen the bitch

where like he's now like okay I'm not this type of antagonistic guy I'm the victim and we'll see how that goes but I think history has shown us that people like this you know the the thing they could always fall back is their whiteness right he has whiteness that he could always fall back on after he sheds this entire

like act it's a stick it's an act it's an act that has worked it's antagonistic the guy literally said that he had no motion before he start antagonize black people. Literally. He had zero motion. To build a career based off of antagonizing people. I think he should go antagonize

Muslims. Word up. Facts. Leave black people alone. Go fuck with the Muslims. Do you want peace or not? No, I want to see what the Muslims going to do. Because I think when Muslims get antagonized, no, no, no. I think Muslims, I think Muslims are. No. You know about Malcolm X? No, no, no. We're not talking about black Muslims.

We're not told about black Muslims. We're not told about black Muslims. We're talking about like the mother Muslims. Yo, because when they get antagonized, I think they're a little bit more violent. What Muslims are you talking about? Them 9-11 Muslims. You heard me, they're like, listen,

go antagonize them type of niggins. And let's see how they handle it. Because from what I find out, usually black people are the least violent when it comes to all of this type of shit. It's funny how you started this off, like being against racism, and now you're saying 9-11 Muslims. Who are 9-11 Muslims?

The ones who did 9-11? And it's like seven of them. Like, yes. Yes. So you're saying the hijackers? What was it? Like 12 people? Yeah.

Those 12. Whatever they stood for? Them extremized those 12 hijackers. No, no. Them extreme ones. Yes. Them extreme niggas. Them extreme niggas.

Who are they? Brothers. Brother, you're trying to be able to say. The niggies will be blowing themselves up. Whatever Muslims are those. No, no. You made it a race thing. You said not the black Muslim.

So now you're making it a race thing. Now, definitely. Not my Muslims from Philly. Those are some cool ass nags. Not the Philly Muslims, so which Muslims, be specific. The ones that be doing all that suicide bombing, go fuck with them things. Who's? I don't know.

I'm going to tell you. You don't know what race, but you know they're not black, so you must know what race they are. I don't know what race they are. But you know they're not black? Well, hold on, no. Sounds like you're being out of juice now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, way, way. I'm glad you're saying that.

You see how much you start to care when I start throwing the blame over there? You see, that's not, no, no, that's what I keep telling you. Leave black people. out of this shit. Hold on, hold on. Yo, yeah, yo, hold on, no. No, no, fuck all that. Fuck all that.

Listen, this is what we talking about. All right. All right. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he need to go fuck with like the Palestinians. That's what he need to go do.

Okay, they're under a genocide right now. Hey, now, go fuck with them. Just leave black people alone. Okay. What word do you think Chud the Builder could use to Palestinians that will elicit the same reaction? He should go find out. I don't want to know.

The thing is it doesn't exist. There's no word. Listen, listen. The English language that exists and has that same time. Hold on. My thing is, we want Chud to go terrorize the Jewish people, the Palestinians, some Asian niggins, too. Everybody with the black people.

We've been through enough. We just want to chill. Yo, we try to cop the new AP slash swatch collab. Go over there, Chad. Go to Palestine, gangie. Like, leave us alone. There's no, you said Asians. There's no.

What word could you use? I don't care. Well, hear what I'm saying. It doesn't exist. What I'm saying is that. There's no word to get Asians angry like that. Okay. I don't care if it's just words.

Do whatever you can to incite them with whatever. Do whatever you can to incite them. Or even if it's religion, even if it's religion, go disrespect their religion. Go do whatever. Because by the way, we also have freedom of religion, right? Go do that. Go show up to synagogues, mosques, and all them other shits. And do what you want to do to disrespect those religions.

and let's see what happens. Leave black people alone. Right? Like, I think you should do some demonstration at the mosque, right? Wouldn't that be cool? Let me ask the question. Wouldn't it be cool if he goes to like, like, who'd be at a mosque? That's Muslims?

If he went there and he's seeing people kneeling and said, oh, y'all chimp it out. Oh, y'all chimp it out? Oh, y'all are kneeling? Y'all praying? Oh, y'all chimping out. Look at these motherfuckers chimping out right here. Look at them. They're all kneeling.

They're chimping out. That would be amusing, too, right? I didn't say it was upset. No, no, no, you said it was funny. Would that be amusing? Would it be amusing if he showed up to the mosque? He put the camera up and he said, look at all these niggas. They're on the knees on the mat.

They're chipping out. Niggas, don't say that. Okay. First, you said, I suppose he said that. No, no, suppose he said that. Would it be? But you said they were the 9-11 hijackers. Okay, so you're trying to switch the conversation.

You said when he had a conversation with black people, it was amusing. Brother, you said when he had a conversation, with African Americans or whatever, it was amusing. Do you think that would be amusing if he showed up to one of these religious places where people are praying, knee on the mat, doing all this stuff, Aluak bar shit,

and he grabs his camera and says, look at these motherfuckers chimping out. Would that be amusing to you? No, no, would it be amusing? Because you said it was amusing when he was talking to the blacks. I said he shouldn't antagonize people that are. All right, I know.

You said that, but you said it was amusing. You said it was funny. Would that be funny? That's not funny. Why is that not funny? But the ankle monitor on the black guy's foot, him doing that. Why is that funny? Because he first says, what are those to his shoes?

And then he looks at his shoe and he has an ankle monitor. That's fine. Okay. So if he goes to the... That's separate from the word. Okay. So if he goes to the place where people are praying and they're bowing down on the mat and he says, what are those?

They're chimping out. That's funny? That would be pretty funny. funny, right? There's a difference in like worship and then being in public. Whoa, whoa, sneako. What you mean? So that's not funny? The difference is the point I'm making is there's

one word in, is there a word, is there a specific word? Like disrupting people who are praying peacefully, that's just, that's just unnecessary. Disrupting homeless people who are minded their fucking homeless business. I also said that that's wrong. You shouldn't be antagonizing people like that. But you said it was funny though. You said, I would try to find the humor. if he went to the place of worship and he was just like, yo, I don't think it's funny.

You're speaking like some other language. You're chimping out. Look, they're praying. Okay. There's some things within the videos, like I pointed out, like the ankle monitor, that are objectively kind of funny. Like banter back and forth. One guy's filming.

He's like, hey, he forgot to record. Some of that stuff is situationally funny. In a vacuum, it's not. And the point is there's no individual word that equates to that word where you're going to get the same reaction out of people. There's not Sneaker, you're trying to make it about a word I've told you this is about blatant disrespect

And again And I said you shouldn't blatantly disrespect people Well, that's the point I know you want to There's always going to be a thing That would be disrespectful You get what I'm saying? It doesn't matter if it's a word

It might be a action That might even not be violent Right? Like if he shows up to the mosque And everybody praying on him carpets He whips his dick out And just starts pissing on the carpet Is that disrespectful or not?

That's literally illegal. That's like, that's public indecency. Like, also pissing that like All right, he just doesn't. But what, but it is it now being in public? All right, he spits on it. He spits on it. He spits on the rug. Yeah, that's also considered assault. He assaulted the rug?

Spitting on people is... No, not on the person. He's just spit on the rug. He just disrespects it. Yeah, that's wrong. What's the point? Okay, he goes there and he burns the Quran. That's cool. What does this have to do with using it? The point when I'm trying to

to say is that when it comes to black people find an offense of things that they feel as offensive, you're like, well, why don't you just stop being offended by the word? However, if I then showcase a situation where another group of people where someone tries to disrespect them, you can't repurpose the disrespect. You want black people to repurpose the disrespect. There's a great analogy here. Do you see how you're equating this individual word that doesn't have real meaning unless you to the holy Every word has meaning brother

The word of God Compared to I If the word has no meaning If the word has no meaning You are equating the word of God To a word To a slur that is outdated

Okay Your is all right you said You said that the words don't have meaning You cannot have those two things If you say if you claim words have no meaning It's not equivalent to this individual work okay if you say word has no meaning to say fuck I lie right now.

Oh. Is that what you're saying? No, no, I'm saying, I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you to say it because it should have no meaning, right? There's a fucking meaning to it, right? Clearly. Like, you wouldn't say that, right? Because, because there's an intended meaning if you're saying this.

You do not see the point that you're making. How are you equating? Words have meaning, brother. How are you equating God? Disrespecting God, the almighty, something that we have faith in to something that only has meaning if we attribute meaning to it. God has meaning without us. So, so.

This hard our word? You can disrespect God, but you can disrespect a whole group of people. Brother, you're saying. So what you just told me, you can't disrespect God. Okay, get it. And I agree. But you can disrespect an entire group of people. And your solution today is that entire group of people should just not be offended.

Because you're doing both. Whether you say the hardy are or you say fuck Allah. This is the creator of the universe versus outdated slur. You cannot equate the two acts. Outdated slur. To who? Who is in the same category? Outdated slur to who?

To you. That's how it should be. It's outdated to you. Clearly, if you look socially, the majority of people, even outside of black community, realize that that word still holds some meaning. So in your maybe skewed,

the builder fan boy mind. It only holds the meeting that we still attribute to it because slavery is over. The same way, I will go back full circle, that this word is becoming the most popular word in hip hop. My 21 Savage, my chopper hates niggas.

21 Savage could say my choppa hates niggas. And everyone's like fine. They turn up to it in the club. If a white guy says that, everyone freaks out. We've all said it has. It's the same word. It's the same intention. We've all said that both words, like if you study,

and I'm about to butcher this word, etymology, and you know the root of words and how it progresses, It's like if I say, Sneko, your cap, I'm not speaking about this. I'm clearly speaking about, the word cap has a different meaning, right? So, hold on a,

so you keep saying. Change the meaning of this word. Okay. That's the point. Okay. However, when that naturally happens, it happens.

What I'm saying now is that nigger and the hard ER, they mean two very different things. And they're going to get two. Two very different emotions. Because society moved on because we allowed them to change their meeting. That's the point.

No, it, you're being so. Let go. Let go of the societal. The people who are offended by. Let go of the hurt. All right. So them niggies and Palestine should let go

to goddamn hurt that Israel's doing it. Let it go. The fact that you're not able to comprehend. No, no, no. You're saying that black people should let go to hurt. But I'm saying, aye, you own that Palestine shit, them niggins should let go to hurt. Are the fuck creed that goddamn Israel, them been putting them through. Act, this is such a dumb analogy. How?

How? Genocide's happening now. Slavery ended how long ago? No, no, slavery more important than whatever happened with that shit. I ain't going to lie. Word up. slavery ended, what, 250 years ago with the genocide's happening right now. And also, there's no word to talk about Palestinians the same way there is about black people. Listen, listen, if you think that black people should let go the herd of slavery, I think them Palestinian niggins should let go the fucking hurt. Are them bombs that got dropped? Facts.

Okay, it's happening right now. And also, you're saying a word. I'm actually saying that to say nobody's going to ever let go of their hurt. No, no, no, it makes sense. No one's going to let go to their hurt, right? The Palestinians ain't going to let go. They don't go over hurt all the time. People let go.

Why do you think white people are offended by the word cracker? or Asian people aren't heard What hurt they went through? I want to hear this one. Hold on, I got to take a shot. I was even going to drink this trip. I want to hear the hurt

the white people went through for Cracker. Some white people probably get offended by being No, no, no, no, no. We're talking about history and hurt, okay? Yeah. Like, for example, in like 20 years,

20 years from now for the Palestinians, the hurt of what's happening now will be felt. Same with the Jewish people for the Holocaust. You still haven't given an individual word. You still haven't given an individual. word. Listen, you're now still stuck over the word because you can't, you, you can't actually argue about the intended meaning.

The intended meaning is to tap back into the hurt that that word stands for. Right. And my point is that there's no other word in the English language that has that much emotion attached to it other than that word. It's the most powerful word in the English language. It's the most direct. It's, hold on. And I'm going to lie to you.

This is probably the most pro-black I've ever sounded. Because usually I'm like really, but this chud dude, he's literally, like anybody who actually agrees with him is all about regressing in racial relationships. And I think we're at a decent place. At times it goes, but I like the fact that black and white people ain't beefing. I like that. You know what I mean? So when I see somebody like this, it disgusts me. and anybody who actually could see any nuance in what he's doing

other than that this guy's a piece of shit and racist, I start looking at you. And that's why I'm questioning you, because I'm like, you seem to be seeing clear what's going on over with Palestine and Israel. Nicky, you don't live there. You ain't even been to Israel? Have you been to Israel?

Have you been to Israel? No, I haven't been. Okay. Have you been a motherfucking, whatever they call Palestine? You been there? what is the argument here the point is that I'm over here

I'm over here and I'm talking about socially to make sure that what's going on in our country especially with race relations because it's been one of the most the things that has torn us apart as a country and when I see any hint of that I don't like it and you're over here talking about this genocide going on overseas like man

you said that you don't want anti-black anti- white races, you don't want division. The only way we can get to that division and get rid of it. It's again, Chudde the Builder out and away. No, it's not about exciting violence on Chud the Builder. It's not allowing one race to say a word and get triggered.

If Charleston White says the word, no one gets angry. If Chud the Builder says it, everybody gets angry. If you actually want equality, then words for any race have the same meaning. That's equality. You say you're pro-black. I'm pro-human. Humans all together should, not allow this to divide us. How are you letting a word divide you and put into separate places? When black people say the same exact word, it's a term of endearment. When white people say it,

so many people think you should act violently. That is segregation. That's the issue. So let me ask the question. Everybody should have the equal meaning attached to this word. So you do realize that if someone who is oppressed does a action or mimics an action, that the oppressor does, it's not the same thing. For example, if a Jew... How are black people are still... How are black people being oppressed right now? Historically, black people are probably one of the most persons.

Hold on. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, right now. Well, you're always going to feel remnants of that. I don't want to live in a victimhood mentality. I don't want to live in the past. All right, no, no, no, this is. I'm not, I'm not that person that uses racism as whatever for every excuse. You are.

But, well, you can't write the history of a history of a past. America without understanding what slavery has done to this entire country. It's a reason why the inner cities. Okay, so because, hold on. So even if I'm, you know, and maybe some people would definitely argue that it still exists now. Even if I don't argue that, I would argue that everything we see now, when we look back two generations ago, you basically are going to see clear side effects, clear side effects. Hold on.

I think a lot, as a Drake fan, you sounded a lot like a Kendrick Lamar fan right now. No. Two generations ago. I'm talking about right now, not of all the past and the, you know. Brother, brother, you can't write the history of the United States. Let's talk about right now. You cannot write the history. We don't need to do BLM.

No, no, no, it's not BLM thing. What's the oppression? No, no, no. You're not, you see, you're trying to be obtuse. I've never even argued that, oh, black people are being oppressed right now. I'm saying that the history, hold on, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, brother. brother, the history has to be respected and always acknowledged. The same way how when it comes to the Jewish people,

their history of how they were persecuted with the Holocaust has to be respected and acknowledged. These things are the reasons why they're living how they're living and we live in how we live in. And 200 years from now, the Palestinians will be living how they're living. That's the reality of it. This whole like, oh, this shit is over and get over it. Like, what are you talking about?

Like, come on. What are you talking about, bro? My point is you have to let go of victim mentality. It holds you back more than any of the control mechanisms that we imagine our heads about DLN. Except, Sneko, you're arguing a point I never said. I never said nothing about victim mentality. I said there. Okay.

But the only way to get rid of this to get rid of the hurt is to move on. If you live in the past, if you hold on to a victim mentality, you never let the hurt heal. Let it heal. Yo, Snego, if somebody smoke your mama, you let it go? Okay No, some real shit Because, you know It sounds stupid for you to tell people

To let go to hurt You don't think you sound Fucking retarded bro Ultimately you should That is the way to grow Is to let go And to forgive That is growth

That is how you get over it Holding on to hate forever You talk in ideals You always This is your issue You always talking like this ideal type of thing You know the history of the world

Yeah The history of the fucking world Is actually shaped by historical events that niggins have never let go. It's the reason why right now you go to Germany, you even throw up a goddamn swastika anywhere, they're making sure you're out of there. You know why?

History just doesn't right away and everybody forgets it. Oh, we all forgiven, we're healing. People ain't sneak on. What the fuck? Like the whole world is shaped by pain. Wars is shaped by shit that has changed a trajectory of life. people have been exterminated that's caused other people to realize

hey we got to make sure it never gets to this again because we know what happened last time this whole let's kumbai yales forget what are you told my nickel it's not kumbai this is the way forward is to not forget slavery why let somebody hurt you that bad why let this one word

hurts you that way you're sneaking somebody else power you're letting them you're way smarter than how you're coming across I'm telling you if it's not the word is going to be something else right?

Like it could be a symbol I'm not too sure about Jewish Jewish culture or whatever but maybe that's the star David for them it is going to be something that reminds you of the pain

it is and that is going to be sacred or it's going to be don't fuck with it in everything that carries somebody just forgets what I'm saying you're just saying oh well why can't y'all change the word brother there is pain there it won't go away if it's a word or something else and this and you're acting like the guy's trying to say the word just harmlessly no he's trying to evoke pain so if it was a symbol he would fuck with that if it was a place he'd fuck with that culture culture race these things shouldn't be defined on hurt allowing black culture to be defined off of slavery is living in a victim consciousness jews allowing never said that is defined

Jewish identity based off of something horrible. Your childhood helped define what you became. You can't erase history, brother. And you're always a product, not only if your environment, but historical choices. Or do we only want to unify based off of hurt and pain and trauma? Or do we want to unify based off of something greater? Do we want to give power to words that are strong, that are empowering, that are good? This is what should trigger us.

We should hear a word like, hey, you're black and we should be happy about this. We should be emotionally manipulated in a positive way. We should remember things that make us happy. You know what I realized. I think you only have these type of thoughts because, like, you like this mulata. I don't even know if you know what you are. Like, will you consider yourself, like respectfully. How many times?

I don't know how many times you have this conversation. No, no, the reason. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, the reason why? The reason why I say that? Because if you ask any person and based on your stupid-ass logic, you just said, Is that what stupid logic? Like you're comparing Palestine like no no no no no no no no no you're stupid logic of your stupid logic of oh you should it should be about coming to get like everything that has to do everything that has to do with my life if I'm not here right I'm not here in America if my mom didn't make certain sacrifices. I'm not where I lived in Jamaica if my family.

there didn't survive slavery. Yes, it was slavery in the Caribbean. It's, it's a, everything matters on the past. You can't just, blah, fuck the past. We're just like here. You must have, you can't have a connection to a strong, legitimate background or lineage. If you're saying, fuck the past, let's move on. What are you talking about?

And that's why I use your racial, that's why I use racial makeup because put it like this. People that come from, people that come from France, they have a certain disposition based on like what happened in that country. Their great grandfather fought in that war, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, these are actual things. And ideally, they don't crash out over a word. My point is, look, my dad's from Haiti, right? Haiti was the first independent slave nation. These people, they killed their slave masters.

And in 1804, they led that slave revolution. To this day, Haitians will call anybody who has dark-skinned war. Well, hold on me finish my point. They'll call anybody who's not dark-skinned black, blonde. You know what this meant at the time of the revolution? It meant slave master. It's since been repurposed to meet anybody who's not dark-skinned. This is a nation who moved on from this word, who changed that meaning.

And although it does have origins of that slave time, it doesn't elicit the same hurt. If people call me Blanc in Haiti, am I going to crash out and say, I'm not a slave master? I understand. Wait back. It's just a word. All right. So again, you're trying to do the, you're trying to do the, like, you know, the mouse brain thing again. I'm going to.

But should I crash out over that? If someone in Haiti calls me Blal, should I crash out and say I'm not a slave master? Hold on. I think you should crash out if your great, great grandfather died in the war that helped free the slaves. And they clown the fact that your great grandfather got killed in that war. I think you should crash out. I should crash out over something. Yes, I think you should.

That's your fucking lineage. Yeah, that's your fucking lineage. You should crash out. You should. Okay, so what about other black people calling you niggins? Like, does that not remind you of slavery? So, so, so, so, you're now trying to switch the point. What I'm trying to say is that it's not necessarily about the word.

It's about the struggle, the hate, it's about a struggle and the pain. It was struggle and hate when black people were all slaves, I was struggle and hate. Yeah, no, no, I don't allow. I am for, if, if someone, if someone out slaves that were in charge and using that same word in the same way. Yo, if someone's family and lineage, you know, died sacrificing themselves for whatever plight and someone came to

bring that pain back and disrespect them I think that's a crash out of offense yeah it is wrong and that's when intentions are wrong but the word itself and evacue but using the word is tapping into it that's what I'm saying get the word out of here the word is the key to tap it into that

it's the easiest key to say one thing to tap into that my thing once you tap into it all bets off all bets off You're right. The intentions are wrong. If somebody has the motive to intentionally hurt somebody in that way, that's wrong.

That's what the builder is doing. We shouldn't try to intentionally hurt people. And I say that that's wrong. But that word ended up itself, even if it was Chud, we've seen countless videos of white people saying it in public and they get hurt. Nonstop, the rhetoric online is if a white person ever said that I'm going to smack them, even if a white person sings along to a Drake song and they say it, hey, don't say that. Hey, don't necessarily.

Yo, I think Clive was on stream and he said, Like obviously this old discourse like he's Black people come up to him all the time and say you Can't say that you can't say that okay The the the feeling around the feeling around Clav saying it because yes there's still There's still a conversation even if he's and by the way He's saying he's saying niga from what I know not not

I'm hardy and he still gets pressed I've seen Okay okay all right yeah because there's still a conversation He came up pressing him and they got real upset There's still a conversation but I'm not going to say that's not true What I'm saying is that the intent behind him doing that versus what Chud is doing. Chud is literally antagonizing. And that's why there is.

He should go on five. That's why he should stop IRL streaming. Or he should go to Memphis. We found some common ground here. Intentions are what matter. Yo, I want to do a stream with him in Memphis. Maybe we can find, I think that'd be great. Maybe we could find some common ground here.

The intention is matter. Chud. Chud. I want to, I will pay you to do a stream with. me in Memphis. I'll do an IRO with him in Memphis. No security? Yeah, no security.

They're going to harm me. The fuck. Yo, yes, no security. Yeah, me and Chuck, we'll kick it out there. And hold on, and I'll even get, yo, matter of fact,

I'll give him, I don't know, I don't know how much money you want. I'll pay him if he keep the same energy. But we in Memphis. Okay. No, I'm not saying it's okay.

That's, do you really, can you honestly, say you don't want something violent to happen to him? No, no, no, I want to just see his energy when he's around a different environment because I don't like when people are kind of popping out doing that type of stuff. And, you know, again, if he was just doing it online, whatever, but like he's kind of like putting this across, like, I want to see if he's going to keep the same energy everywhere.

And if he does, I'm, I'll probably get a little bit of respect for him. If he goes to Memphis, Tennessee, it was just like, yo, and he's giving it up, I haven't going to lie to you, I'd probably be like, You all fuck with him, but leave that nigga alone, man. Like, yo, he's standing on business. He's standing on business. I just think that he's a bit of a coward because he's picking and choosing,

but he's talking like he's not. And if he, like, kept it real like, yo, I'm picking the most pussy as black niggins I can find to do the shit to. I'd be like, all right, bro, you got it. I doubt that's going to happen. And he probably shouldn't go out. You could come too.

You could come too. Memphis was a lot of hell. I went to Memphis before. It was all Hellcats, all charges and challenges. and challengers. Hellcats. We'll just go outside the club, you know what I mean? Us three we try and get in the club.

I'm banned from all the clubs in America. No, you're not. You're only banned from like... All the hospitality groups. Yeah, they ain't no hospitality group in Memphis, man. You're good. I'm good up the club. I'm getting old, bro.

Act, we're pushing 40. We can't be in the club anymore. Speak for yourself, brother. All right, act. Good talking to you. You still think, do I sell my black card? No, no, no, it's not sell.

We're going to revoke it. Listen, if we, if, you know, we got to get you, this Chud thing is a problem. Like, you know, this is a problem. We can't have you, you know. Revoke my black card? Put like this.

They would have kicked you out of Muslimhood if you said certain shit. So like, yo, we got to treat the black shit the same way. Mine has to take a car back. I ain't want to lie. You took my black card? Now, we didn't take it yet,

but it's in review. It's in review. It's in review. It's all that shit. No, nah. Chat, I'm telling you, man. Chat, you got to watch out for them. You got to watch out of people.

Like, Sneiko surprised me with this one. Sneakle surprised me with this one. I'm not going to lie. That was crazy. Yo, chat, when I'm over here, sound like Tariq Nishit, it's like, you know it's bad, bro. Like, if it was some light shit, like,

Clive, like, he's singing a song and he says, nigga, I'm not going to be like, yo, bro. But this guy you could tell, bro, he even dressed like a racist, bro. Like, yo, come on, dog. Come on, bro.

So is something, anyway, yeah, no, yeah, no. Anyway, all right. Okay. A little side quest, we're good though, right? Everybody's still rocking with me here, or do we get, do we lose some people? All right, all right, okay, we got a little 13K in the building. All right. Chat, all I'm going to say is, you know it's bad when I'm over here, like, on some pro-black shit.

It's just disrespectful. It's just too disrespectful And also you see everybody talking about See, Sneko love all this Muslim stuff I'm not Muslim, I'm Baptist And I don't want to disrespect no Muslim But everybody got something they care about You know what I mean

See, that's why I had to put it in his own home turf I bet So you think it's cool for him to disrespect black people Because you don't care about black people But I guarantee sorry disrespect Muslims Or show up to the mosque It's a problem, right? Or maybe he started disrespecting like Palestine

Or you start going You see the mood changes Oh no, we're talking about God Exactly Exactly. All right. All right, then. Let's see. Should we go to Sean Gath right, y'all? Oh, this is some other streamer beef. Baby Rich and Plac Boy, Max, you're beefing? What's going on? Okay, I think I've seen this. So, DDG did a tour. If you don't know, he did like an amazing tour. Shout to him. And he went on his tour and, like, the final date was in L.A. And apparently he did his show, but he was kind of like, he was kind of disappointed. And he verbally said he was disappointed because a lot of streamers that he fucks with that he invited to his last show did not pull up to his show. And he felt like, damn, like, I told y'all rock with me.

Why didn't y'all pull up to my show? Now, let me see if I could find the clip. Basically, he had kind of called them fake, you know? Here we go. Where's a clip? Where's it? Okay, so here's a clip. This is him basically saying, yo, none of his streamer friends came to his L.A. show.

She's rear of my home girl. If Evelyn would have came to the show tonight, maybe I could have FaceTimber. Whoopty do? She didn't come, though. It's all good. Nobody came except for Johnny. Johnny, the only streamer that pulled up on me.

I need to put some ice in this shit. All right. So he said that. And apparently afterwards, his, like, best friend, baby Rich actually sent out a tweet. And a tweet says, hey, listen, man, a lot of these, like, streamers are fake. And they only show up or they only want to be around when it's like, you know, it benefits them. And people kind of put it towards Platboy Max because supposedly he had invited Platte Boy Max, but Platte Boy Max didn't show up. Platboard Max reacted to what Baby Rich said.

This is what happened. These lame ass streamers fake as fuck. All these niggas be begging bro for... He's reading Baby Rich's tweet. These lame ass streamers fake as fuck. All these niggas be begging bro for collab. He pull up, but they don't pull up, support his tour. Who is this nigga talking about, bro?

Like, bro. Oh my God, baby Rich. Who is he talking about, bro? Who are you talking about, bro? If you're talking about me, say that, nigga. Darrow hit me yesterday. He said, yo, pull up. He texted me. He said pull up

madly. Day of. Gang, I've been streamed and a meeting, bro. Niggas have lives and plans. At the end of the day, I fuck with DDG. I was in a hospital for a month. I got out the hospital and same day went to his video shoot because he wanted to drop me single for his album. So suck

my dick, whoever's talking crazy. Or thinks they know shit. You don't know shit. Baby Rich, I fuck with you, bro. But you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to lie if you're talking about me. I don't know what you're talking about. know who they're going to try to put this on. Facts. These niggas be knowing,

bro, you know who they're going to try to put this shit on, bro. It's like, bro, you can do this game. Just address me, bro. This shit don't make no sense, bro. You don't got to do that. I fuck with Daryl. I never hated on Daryl. And I show love to Daryl. And I support Daryl. I've done his shit. I've had him in my shit. He's been in my... I've been a part of his shit,

bro. Because some shit don't work one time now, the world is ending? How about you congratulate your man's on his fucking tour? Just ending. instead of worrying about other streamers what is you talking about, bro? Shit don't make no sense. I fuck with this nigga though.

Baby Rich, I'll fuck with you, but I don't agree with what you're saying. It's some bullshit. Okay. And Baby Rich responded. He said this. Max, I'm going to be totally honest with you, gang.

You was nowhere on my mind when I made that tweet, bro. How are you going to be mad at me because you feel like the shoe fit, though? You know what I'm saying? You can't be mad at me if you feel like the shoe fit, that you fit like I fucks with you like I like when I see you I fought with you and

everything else like you didn't have conversations and everything else but I make a general pulse and you feel like it's about you man come on bro I want like I'm the type of niggie you like you know I'll tell you in person to your face if I felt some type of way you can't get mad at me about making a general statement and you automatically assume it's about true if you assume it's about you, brother, that ain't got nothing to do with me, bro. Just to be honest, that ain't got nothing to do with me. You know what I'm saying? I fuck with you.

You're my man's, but that ain't got nothing to you feel like that was towards you. Because if it was towards you, best believe I would have said it. And honestly, if it was towards you, this shit wasn't even been on the internet. I would have came directly to you and told you because I barely streamed so I barely be on here like that, talking like that, brus. Like, any niggas know me when I have a little. a personal issue with somebody I address you man-a-man like on some shit like okay now I kind of sum this up pretty quickly uh congratulations to DDG man I

I like watching a tour you did a really interactive unique experience I actually wish I pulled up to the New York show I forgot what I was actually doing then you didn't really invite me though so it's not like I I duct your invitation but I know me you are cool um yeah this is kind of the thing about like these streamer things like honestly everybody got their own thing going on and this is where i kind of defend max a little bit bro people got to stop thinking they're friends with other streamers like everybody kind of collaborates when it's beneficial for them and if you don't really fit in people's plans they're not going to care that much most streamers aren't friends most streamers only link with each other when it's beneficial

to both parties. Most streamers don't do each other favors just to show love. This is a very competitive space and what doesn't happen is people just like being happy for each other. A lot of the streaming stuff is fake. Where you think

people are like happy for each other or whatever, but in reality, it's competition, right? Shit. Again, I'm not saying Max didn't have something to do, but shit, brother, you know, he's not going to stop his world to come check you out.

And if he was a friend, he probably would. But again, my point is no one's friends in this shit, right? Like, y'am, you remember Kai Sinan and Aiden Ross was acting like they were friends for the longest. Now they don't even talk. So when it comes to streamers and stuff like that, to expect somebody to show you love or be there or whatever, y'all are not friends. So I'm not that surprised. Nevertheless, I think DDG's concert was still good.

and, you know, the reality is, which I think DDG knows, anytime you have an event and you invite people and people don't show up, just keep working harder because when you're the wave, when Kaizenat invites niggas to the Mafiathon, niggas cancel their own streams. Like, they mama could be on a deathbed. They'd be like, I got to go to that Kassanatat, Mafia. It's all about clout.

So all it means is that maybe the people you invited felt they couldn't gain nothing from it and just keep working hard, man. The next time you invite somebody and they show up, you'll know exactly why you did the work. That's it. That's it. Chat, we are going to jump into, let's jump into this Sean Gathright stuff.

And, you know, Sneakle kind of like, you know, he diverted me for a bit, but I'm here now. And, chat, we got to see what the hell happened in the sentencing. Let's go to it. Julio Fulio sentencing. And if you don't know, this is a sentencing part of the, this is a sentencing part of the trial for these people who have all been found guilty. Now, if you don't know, it's the penalty phase.

Hold on a second. I'll click here. This is what happened today. All right. So let me give you the update. So there was five people charged for Julio Fulio's murder. The young woman, her name is Alicia Andrews. She actually severed her trial.

And she was able to claim that she didn't know about the plot. Somehow the prosecutors believed her. I thought she was going to have to tell on everybody, but she seemed to act like she didn't know too much. And then she threw into the mix, which I say this is a female benefit. She said she was in an abusive relationship and underthreatened fear of her boyfriend,

either leaving her or not you know or possibly beating her she allowed him to take her phone make calls and pretty much participate she did participate she claims unknowingly in this murder plot now very interesting because she's seen as the only one on the the Airbnb doorbell camera at some point i know that we're acting like these people are stupid but if everybody's coming through the back door you don't notice something is up when you're the only one walks to the front door and the camera's only capturing you. You know, she tried to explain it pretty well. And she did get convicted of some stuff, but it's not first-degree murder.

So what happens in Florida is first-degree murder, the penalty is life imprisonment or the death penalty. It was announced earlier in the case that the prosecutors were going to look for the possibility of the death penalty. And with that election, it meant that if they were found guilty, the four of them because remember she copped out to some lesser stuff I think it's like I forgot what she was actually let me actually look it up Alicia Andrews convicted of she got convicted of manslaughter okay so manslaughter which means she didn't mean to cause someone to die they got convicted of first degree murder the only two possibilities is life or death

Now, they got found guilty, and now we're in the penalty phase. And chat, it's been a lot of interesting stuff happening. I want to show you before his mom, remember I kept telling you about this kid. He's like 20 years old. He showed up. You know, he's the guy who was the first guy out there with the gun killing folio. He started crying at the last hearing. Well, I told you he was living pretty good.

His mama, like, you know, who claimed she didn't know her son was, you know, on some bullshit. His mama actually testified. And I want to show you, let's see if we get to the mama's testimony real quick. Here we go. Let me see. I think this is mom. Let's go back. For Harrington for the 11 years where you, when you were with his mother, it sounds like that you had a very loving, supportive relationship.

with Sean Gathright. Is that correct? Yes, ma'am. Okay, the interview is somebody on Zoom. Now I think the mom is going to take this. Thank you, Your Honor. Good afternoon. Please state your name for the record. Here we go. Lisa Gathorite.

So this is his mama. And his mama going to say she didn't know her son is a killer. Listen to this shit. Your name for a report reporter? L-I-S-A-G-H-R-I-G-H-T. What is your relationship to Sean? He's my grandson.

So is his father your son? Yes, he is. And can you tell me a little bit about your relationship with Sean? Obviously, you're his grandmother, but are you close with Sean? Have you been his whole life? I've been very close to Sean ever since he was born. Have you been involved in his life since he was young? Yes.

His parents were both in the military and they were deployed, and there were times when both of the kids stayed with me for extended periods. periods of time we he went to school in the town where I live and where do you live I live in Oxford Mississippi and did you live there when he was growing up as well you've been there yes okay so he would come and stay with you know live with you and go to school yes ma'am and can you tell us a little bit about Sean as a child what was he like what was his character like how did he behave he was a fun kid he has a great sense of humor a wonderful personality he's

He's just all around good, good kid. Wait, this is not his mom? Is his grandma? Oh, my bad. All right. Let's let's get to his mom then. Wait, this is his mom? No way.

What? Wait. This is mama? Oh, so that had to be his grandma for the dad. Okay, okay, let's get to him. His mama black? Oh, yeah, she definitely a fuck up then. I thought his mom would be a white woman.

Here we go. Is this a mom? Let me say, yeah. Here you go. Sitting at my house. Someone who would chase popularity or have a large group of friends. The friends that he does.

This the mom chat? Yeah, whatever they claim that nigga did, he did it. Shorty showed up with a bad wig. Shorty showed up with a bad wig to be on a stand. You could tell her she was just chasing dick the whole time. Real niggins shit, man. Worried up, bro. I got to keep it a bean with you, bro.

bad fucked up wig like yeah bruv like yeah whatever they said that nigg did he did it bro she ain't had no time to be doing being a parent bro no time to be the parent bro uh it's it's a small circle and they're very they're very close to each other um on a friday or saturday night you wouldn't find him out at a club or hanging out or anything like that you most likely find him and his two or three best friends you know sitting at my house talking about who knows what all night long and i'd get you know wrapped up in there and and they'd have debates and it was it was something that was so nice to see in you know young men this day and age where it wasn't just about music or it wasn't just about superficial things like

they really had real deep, meaningful conversations. And is me and Maya Tudor? Is he one of those friends? Yes. We talked to him yesterday, and he was kind of sharing some of the things that they would do. And that was when you were in Jacksonville, right? Yes. When did you give us kind of a time frame we've heard about, obviously, traveling in the military, we've heard about living in Mississippi.

When did you guys move to Jacksonville? We moved to Jacksonville in 2016 after I retired from the Marine Corps. 2016? Yes. Okay, and did you stay there consistently till now or? Yes, yes. At any point, did Sean move from Jacksonville? Yes, he moved from Jacksonville.

I want to say it was... She's Megan? 2020 or 2021. He moved out to California with his dad for a while. Oh, sorry, go ahead. How long was he there? He was there for approximately, I would say, year and a half, two years. What was his relationship like with his biologna,

father? It wasn't a good relationship. My experience with their father, which is the reason, the main reason why we were divorced, he had a very volatile temper and I think as Sean grew older, I don't think he was the kind of person who would see like another confident male, even if it is his son. Ma'am, speed it up. You failed. Threatened by the person that Sean was becoming. But in my opinion, their dad was pretty insecure. Did it seem to be more volatile as Sean got older, like not as a little kid?

As Sean got older. What about Sean's behavior? Did you have behavior issues with him? Do you have to be punished a lot? No. Sean was Sean was such a good kid

No he hardly He was He was mature He was You know So actually I do believe her Like I would have met Yo a lot of times

But that's the sign of a bad parent Because I'm pretty sure Sean was a good kid While around his mom Like everybody has that one friend That their mom don't know What they're into And when they're around their mom

they're like an amazing child. So she only knows that side of him. Like he could be serious and really understand what he was supposed to do. Didn't mean he always didn't. He, you know, he did the usual kid thing. He had to tell him two or three times, hey, go clean up your room, do the dishes, stuff like that.

But he never made a big fuss about it. We didn't really have any arguments. And we had one argument. And I think it was more just about frustration about trying to figure out, oh, no, here we go. So when he started college the first semester, where did you go to college? He went to FSCJ.

So the first semester, I paid for the first semester and everything, and he, you know, went to, but his grades were not that good. Like he was doing, I think it was like Cs and stuff like that. And I said, hey, if you don't, I was like, I'm not paying for another semester. You're going to have to pay for it. So he started working, and he completely, turned his grades around and I was like you know when when you have investment in you know your own thing and mama and mama's not paying for it and you got to use your own money for it.

Is it that white then if she's black? Well I guess the dad would be white because we just seen the white grandma. So I guess she she married the guy. I think it really did like a kick in the butt to realize that hey you got to take this seriously. Where was he working to pay for school? to Jacksonville like football it's like a youth football players would pay him like what was he did you go to school for do you remember what did you start

he wanted he got into media when he was at Julia Landon and he wanted to get into you know doing filmography there's a part when there were little people thought there were Twitter arguments and everything like that but at the end of the day they were so

and shit with Sean now and obviously we're close with him growing up and he lived with you, you know, when you weren't deployed mostly, but have you maintained a close relationship with him as he's gotten into adulthood? Oh, yes. Yes, I have it. He's become, he's become the cool, logical head that, like I said, that's like, mom, no, I don't think this is a good idea. He's still supportive of you? Oh, yeah, he's still supportive of me. Is he a killer? I was supportive of him as ever. He's my mother. So this isn't trial.

necessarily. This is a penalty phase. This is sentencing. So these are character testimony. So you want to make him seem like he was a productive person to the community. They were pleasant outside of this one bad decision. Because again, remember the jury still has to deliberate and pick who's going to die or do life in prison. And will you continue to have that relationship with him moving forward? Oh, forever. ever. You know what I may have a moment? Yes. I'll pass the women. Okay. Questions? So now I believe the state is going and the state is going to basically say hey do you know your son was a murderer

and I'm pretty sure she's going to play dumb. His son also went to community college, is that correct? Yes, SSJ. Yes. And besides that brief period of time where he wasn't doing so well, he normally was a good student. Is that correct? Yes. And he traveled a lot throughout growing up. Yes, as a part of being in the military and also. With you, he traveled as well. And you said that he had a close group, native friends, is that correct? Yes. And later, while he was living with you, one of those close friends was Isaiah Chance.

Isn't that true, ma'am? Yes. And you didn't have any concerns about his close relationship with Mr. Chance. Isn't that true? That's true? I have nothing further, Judge. Basically just pointed out, all right, so you say he was all these things, but his friends was this guy, right? Okay, good. We don't got to act anymore.

Redirect? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. And who's going to be your next?

Now he's going to take the stand himself. No, no. Actually, I think his sister. His sister's going to take the stand. All right. Let's get to it. You guys always stay together? Yes.

We moved a lot, but we've never been apart. So he would go to Mississippi. It looks just like it. That's his sister. All right. Let's get to. him going to understand. Reading to a baby that probably isn't old enough to care yet.

Yeah. Here you go. Isn't that true? Oh, the tears coming again. Here we go, man. Damn, look. Yo, chat, I'm not heartless, but we got to remember,

you know, every time, because I feel like someone's like, damn, IQ heartless, I'm going to put this video up because you're going to, like, we all have. empathy. So every time we're gonna have to do this.

We're gonna have to remind you. Every time y'all like damn, act, yo, why are you laughing? Damn. We're gonna remind you. This is him. This is him. I won't try. I'm gonna keep reminding y'all because we're not, look, this is him. Yep. This is when. So for anybody's like, oh man,

Act. Now, this is kind of sad. Well, this was kind of sad too. Okay. This was kind of sad. Yep. You want to count the bullets? Let's count the bullets. One, two, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, eighteen. Okay. Okay. That was sad too. So we're going to sit and watch this little bum cry and we're not going to feel too bad for him. I'm sorry to say. At least I ain't, y'all could. I really think about when I think about what's going on. Okay. The boy was having a good time playing call of duty Being at home with his family that supposedly they got a little bit of money He had his sister his mama He had other relatives look like he had maybe had a niece or or a nephew And he left the house to travel to Tampa

To go play gangster And to go murder somebody in cold blood We didn't tell him to go do it He willingly made a choice to give up that life. That life is now over. Now we analyze his next life. And we can't feel too bad about it.

You can't feel bad about what he chose. I just miss my brother. Do you still maintain a relationship today? You're able to talk to him and communicate? Yep. And will you continue to do that? Of course. And hopefully in whatever way possible,

could he still be involved in your kid's lives and be an uncle? Of course. May have a moment? Yes. I'll pass the witness. Okay. Questions? Yes, Your Honor.

Every time you look at this, nigga, man, you could tell. It's the regret. The regret in his face is so crazy. And again, I think it is important to kind of highlight these things, to let people know he's the only one I see with this tremendous regret. It's like he's saying to himself, what the fuck did I do? He's watching his mama cry, his sister cry, he's seeing his grandma cry. Your and your brother Sean's childhood as a good, nice, loving childhood growing up. Isn't that true, ma'am?

Yes, ma'am. You said that both of you had wonderful loving. Nah, pan the camera back on him. Sort of relationships. Isn't that true? How many backcrums this nigga going to get, yo? What's up? And specifically when talking about male role models, you said that he had a wonderful relationship with his stepdad, Brian.

Yes. He also had a wonderful godfather. His grandmother, Lisa Gathright, you both had wonderful relationships with her as well. Yes. And her husband, before he passed away, your grandfather, or your grandfather, both you and your brother, Sean, had an amazing, loving, supportive relationship with him as well. When you all were living in Japan, you said that Sean had a lot of activities. He was very good in karate. Isn't that true?

Yes. So good, in fact, that he got a blue belt in karate. Yes. So he was able to participate in a lot of activities. Isn't that true? Yes, ma'am. Very supportive family, both your mother as well as his grandparents. Yes, ma'am.

Made sure that he was active and had lots of activities, including sports. Yes. traveling. Yes. I have nothing further, Your Honor. Okay. Redirect? Okay.

This is a big excuse. Yes. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. All right. You're ready to go. Now he's going to take the stand. They ask him, are you good enough to take the stand, my boy?

We'll just take another quick, like two-minute break. They took a break because he's crying. Wipe your tears, young man. They're talking to him. You good? You sure? You know, they try and tell him, you're bro. You got a member, you're still that nigger.

You got to walk up to the stand Just like how you walked you walked them down Word up Just like how you was walking here You gotta walk to the stand my boy Yeah bro You gotta walk him down What's the problem?

Yeah, don't come in the court With your little turtleneck You gotta walk him down my boy Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah The chatt the nigga probably was living better than you At 20

You was living better than me You look at him He wanted to be thugging. It's so funny because you could look on his face and tell. He just wants somebody to come saving, bro. Like, he wants somebody, like, it's kind of like he's sitting there hoping this shit is just a bad fucking dream. And I get it, you know, like that I have a little bit of empathy for.

But, you know, based on what he did, like, it's not like we speculate and, like, we know what he did. What, is it because he's light skin or he's 20 years old or what? We're going to give him a pass? Like, bro, he's a grown-ass man. He knew what he was doing. You know? This is another stage of proceeding where you make the decision and only you get to make the decision whether or not to testify.

Okay? You can choose to remain silent or you can take the stand. He's sworn to tell the truth and then tell the truth. If he was gangster, the only way, you know, if I'm on a jury, y'all don't want me on a jury. Y'all don't want me on a jury. You got to, you got to pop out like this. I'm putting that boy Sean Gathright to death, nigger

unless he come out like this If he coming like this So I wrote a song Yeah, this is how you got to come For me to say, I Hello there He are honor I want to say I'm sorry

For the things I've done And I try and be stronger In this life I chose but I want you to know Oh, that door I close. In your honor, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. To my mother, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. To the victim, I'm sorry, sorry.

Yeah, right there, blah, you. To foolio, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's how you got to get a. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, yeah. Yes, Your Honor, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, shit. The nigger hit the, like you're trying to catch an extra harmony.

Nah. Wait, what? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Thank you, Your Honor. Encore, encore. Okay, okay, okay. It's my understanding from your counsel that you wish to Or cause case, people versus Corey Harris.

Anyone, including your attorneys, harassed you in any way in order to get you to make this decision? And has anybody made you any promises or assurances regarding what the jury's decision will be in this phase of the trial? Your Honor, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. And you understand, no one can't, right? No one can predict, like what any jury will do at any time. Your attorneys can do the best to advise you, but no one can ultimately predict. So do you understand that? Okay. And as far as this, at this stage of the proceedings, you will be permitted to testify,

but we're not going to revisit necessarily facts because then you risk potentially opening the door, and then you can find yourself in a situation where you could be able to be. required to answer questions about the case and that's not what is meant to happen at the stage and it could ultimately be negatively impactful for you if that were to happen to understand that especially if you want to peel okay very good um so he's incentivized there you go let's go ahead then and bring in the jury everyone have a seat all right um mr. 15 your next witnesses is on gaffray right mr gaffir please stand up raise your right hand My name is Sean Gathright.

This boy. Okay. Have a seat. And you make it. My name is Sean Gathright. S-E-A-N-G-H-R-I-G-H-T. This boy sounds sweet as hell, man. I was born on October 20th, 2005.

And my boy really didn't make it to G-T-A-6. Like, this is crazy. I know that you wanted to address the court in the jury. So I would like to ask you to out. So I would like to ask you what you want the jury to know. I just want to address the court today. And, you know, I'm not here to dispute anything. I'm just here to be a man and take responsibility and express my feelings about what has, you know, this whole situation.

You know, that's what I plan on doing. Okay. And how do you feel? What? I feel very remorseful. You know, this is a terrible situation. It's been a traumatic experience. Boy, no English now, huh?

Trying to be a gang member before. All that of Bonix is out the window. How old were you when you were arrested? I was 18 years old. We heard that you had started some college, obviously probably didn't get very far, right? Right. What have you done since you've been in jail?

Is there programs? Are there things that you can do there? So, you know, I've gotten into programs. I've also, you know, I grew up, you know, in church and, you know, in a Christian household. So I refocused my, you know, life to Christ and, you know, I've taken a lot of religious programs. I've read the Bible from cover to cover. I've tried to, you know, share some word and, you know, we have prayer circles in the jail and stuff like that. I would let a couple, you know, prayer circles.

and I've tried to, you know, kids around my age or, you know, younger, you know, since I'm 20 years old, when you turn 18, you know, you go to the adult pods and stuff like that. So if I see somebody who I see, you know, has a lot of potential and has a chance to keep them from, you know, basically being able to be corrected at this opportunity and not come back, you know, I try to take them under my wing. As you see, I have a lot of resources and a lot of family that love me and they've even, you know, ask me like hey is there anybody in there who doesn't have somebody like that who you know could we send them some money like you know anything like that so I've tried to you know be a a vessel for God to pour over my blessings and to those around me we heard from mr. Bernasca who said that you know in prison that there is opportunities at times to be a mentor or you do orientations and peer-to-peer things like that is that something that you'd be interested in doing of course you know I definitely want to you know

try my absolute best to course correct anybody from falling down the path that they don't have to take, especially the youth. I feel like that's my calling that God has put on my heart to, you know, be a mentor to the youth and be a positive influence in this world. What about those relationships? Like you said, you have a lot of people. Are you able to maintain those relationships now? Yeah, so, I mean, everybody who I, you know, maintain a relationship wasn't able to all be here today or, you know, even testify. But, you know, I talk to them daily, weekly, bi-weekly. You know, I have, I cherish my supporters very deeply. And I want to maintain relationship with them for the rest of my life.

And I know, you know, we don't, we're not going to talk about the case itself, right? But you said that you were taking accountability, you felt remorseful. Tell us what you mean by that and what statement you want to make. To the victim's family. Oh. You know, I want to send my deepest condolences. I understand that it's hard, losing a child, a best friend, a brother, a cousin. And for that, I just cannot say sorry enough.

You know, I feel terrible about the situation. But I'm a firm believer that God can use anything for good that the devil wanted for bad. And so I am grateful for the people I've met, for the lessons I've learned for just this experience in general, because it's one that I'll never forget, and it's going to shape the rest of my life. Sounds like there's that saying it's kind of cheesy, but you make lemons out of lemonade or whatever. Lemonade out of lemons. Somehow, I obviously don't make lemonade, but it sounds to me like you are going to try and make the best of a bad situation. Does that sound about right? Of course.

And are you going to continue to do that? Of course. I'm going to try to, you know, continue a humble life, a righteous life, you know, try to do the right things at all times. And, you know. Will you apprised yourself? We've heard about some, you know, courses and programs and things that you can get involved with to stay busy in prison. Is that something that you plan to do? Yeah, so I, you know, hearing Raoul's testimony was, you know, the first glimpse that I have of, you know, what prison it could be like.

you know I want to stay as busy as possible you know stay away from bad apples you know I want to like keep a job get in the programs try to get into any vocational things I can do try to you know keep my record clean to you know go to the best incentivized things and have visits with my family and you know I just want to just stay out the way you know I just want to make everything you know peaceful as convenient even knowing that you're not getting out of prison You want to make the best of your stay there? Of course.

I mean, who wouldn't? If you're going to be somewhere for the rest of your life, why would you make your life a living hell? And you're young, right? You're 20? Yes, ma'am. You want to have a moment? Yes.

I'll pass the witness. Okay? This is sad for the parents, though. The grandmother and the mom have to listen to their son basically, you know, kind of like accept this life of they'll never be free again. You would agree with me that Char, Jones was young too wasn't he?

Oh shit. Oh, nah. They're not playing with him. You'd agree that Charles Jones is... You agree that Julio Fulio was young too, right, nigga? Relative to the young, yes, sir. 26, right? Yes, sir.

That's what the evidence showed us, correct? You were sitting here watching that, correct? Oh, this nigga not playing with him. This thing won him to die. The evidence that came in over the last several weeks? I was right there. Yeah. And you want to take accountability now, correct?

You want to take accountability now that this jury has found you guilty, correct? Yes, sir. Weeks after we went through a trial. Is that your testimony? Nah, this guy's not playing with him. Oh, now you want to take accountability after we go through trial, right? I'm a sustained objection. Yeah, you could tell the judge is a little softy pants.

This nigga is a little bit too aggressive with how he's coming. But he's like, he's coming hard. Pause. You indicated this was a traumatic experience. Right? For who? That's what you just testified to, correct? Yo, this nigga, you can tell you.

That's what I said. Show him the picture of the murder. Show him the picture of the murder. Oh, shit. One of your honor. I'm trying to get the picture of the murder. Look, you said it was traumatic, right? What about this picture of Fulio?

Stretched out all over the car. Dead. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Stage 25C. You remember Gene. No, Norris. Oh, my God.

Yes, sir. Do you remember him? Joe, they're going crazy on him. Nah, not a state dropping 30. They're dropping 30 on him. Yo, was this traumatizing gangie? He was also really young when this happened, wasn't he? I didn't know how old he was.

Early 20s, 22. Would that surprise you? No, it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. Gino Norse, who's not a gang member, who's Charles Jones friend from the time. Joe, they're frying him. Yo, all them tears, you got your mom, your grandma, your sister.

What you think this is a Sunday dinner? Nigger, get the fuck out of here, nigga. Yo, let's bring up the pictures of the blood, the murder, the bullets. Let's bring that up. They get over here, like, yo, sobbing it. Like, yo, man, yo. Just me a legal basis. Yeah, now the judge's soft.

The judge is like, come on, chill. Like, even the, you can tell the judge is on some chill shit. Nah, ain't a chill This is a prosecutor This is defense Now throw the pick back up there Throw it back up there 26 C

Xavier Yo the nigga You know the nigga talking about Yo, yo Yo, when he in prison He got to make sure He watch out for bad apples Nicky you're the bad apple

Nika you're the bad apple You're the bad apple You fucking idiot Oh he put it right back up And you saw the autopsy photos of Charles Jones. My question to you is after you and your friends inflicted that carnage on June 23rd, and as you were running, state- Did you put up a Don Julio bottle on your goddamn story? 2059 C, this is actually you running. Oh, you're getting cooked. Oh, look. To shoot them,

but when you were running back past that Tesla, were you feeling a lot of trauma at that point? Chad, I found a good reason to use it now. running to shoot them but when you were running path back past that Tesla were you feeling a lot of trauma at that point what one is that to shoot them but when you were running path back past that Tesla were you feeling a lot of trauma at that point you don't know what to say you don't know what you know this prosecutor you could tell this thing is cooking so long ago I try to not remember anything from that night. Were you remorseful as you were running back with that AR-15 in your hands?

Like I said, I try to remember nothing from that night. Was it traumatic to you as you went back to the car with that AR-15? Was it still smoking? Was it still warm in your hands from firing? Ah! Yo! Yo, you, Judge, let that man cook. Let that man cook.

He cooked Fulio? Let him get cooked on a stand. Nah. Nah, nah, this prosecutor is not playing. Yo, was this traumatic right here? Nah. As you were running back with that AR-15 in your hands? Like I said, I try to remember nothing from that night.

Was it traumatic to you as you went back to the car with that AR-15? Was it still smoking? Was it still warm in your hands? Sustain the objection. Oh, the judge is sustained. The judge's soft. The judge-soft. You still, were you feeling remorse as you were getting back into the Impala?

Like I said, I just try to focus on today and moving forward. So the next day. When you posted down, Julio Bottle. That was your car. You drove that around, right? It was your mom's, but you drove that car, correct? Yes, sir, it was my mother's car. Right.

And that was the car you drove from Jacksonville to Tampa in, correct? Yeah, I'm going to have Jacksonville, Your Honor. Okay, why don't we just get there? So this car, this Impala, that you drove from Jacksonville. By the way, chat, I'm going to be honest with you. His testimony here is cooking him for appeal. Like, he's now on record admitting that that's his car, that it was him, he's admitting. He's cooked on appeal.

You get what I'm saying? This is why they're telling you you're taking a big chance here. Now, if they're going to coach him up, he should have been able to. like, oh, I don't remember. You know, they can say like, yeah, I don't remember. But here's the thing. It's going to defeat the whole point you came up here. You came up here to say you're sorry.

You can't be like, because the prosecutor is going to say, you're sorry for what? So you kind of have to admit. You get what I'm saying? So you kind of have to admit, but it's cooking you on appeal. Now, let's be honest. Do we think he was going to beat appeal? Fuck now. Tampa in with Mr. Chance and Miss Andrews, the one that you,

drove in tandem with with the silver cruise the same car that you utilized to drive the assault you know what we need hey hey could could one of y'all get me this i need this as a um um a soundboard thing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm getting cooked yep mm-hmm i need this yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm getting cooked I need that time. Yeah. Assault team, the shooting team, which you were a part of that night, that same car that you drove around Tampa in the early morning hours for several hours,

tracking, stalking, and hunting, Charles Jones and his entourage. That same in Paula, you drove that to Polk County the next day, and you dropped it at your grandmother's house, right? The same grandmother who came in here last night and testified for you, correct? Overall, go ahead. You can answer that question. Isn't that correct? What is the question?

You dropped the Impala, the one that had all of these shoes. You dropped it to your granny's house, right, nigga? The one that was utilized in this murder. That was such a vital cog in this plant. You dropped it at your grandmother's house in Auburndale, didn't you? I'm here to testify about today. Are you going to answer that question, or are you going to avoid it? Because that's not what I asked what you were doing here today.

I think we all understand what you're here to do today, what you're testifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting cooked. Yeah. We've all. I'm asking you specifically about your remorse. Were you remorseful when you dropped that car off and left it at your grandmother's house in Albredale?

I did go to my grandmother's house. Were you feeling remorse when you hugged her and left her with the Impala after you wiped it down? Sir, I'm just telling you that today I would like to express my remorse. to the family to the board. I understand what you're trying to do today. I'm asking you, since you're trying to convince this jury that you were... Yo, he's seen so...

He's like, you know, bro, I'm just trying not get the needle, bro. Please, bro. Let me just... Yo, I'm going to be honest with you. All right. I want to show you a human side because, like, this is a very serious situation. Man, it's so crazy how one stupid decision,

one moment could really change your life. And I know I'm making fun of this dude, but he's a good example of actually not being numb to this process. I think some of these other guys, they're numb to the process and also they're thinking about, oh, now I've got to keep it real. You could tell it. He's having all the range of emotions as, you know, I fucked up.

Why did I do this? Damn, I'm fucking stupid. Now, it doesn't mean they don't deserve the penalties. I think he deserves all the penalties. But we also got to see what happens when someone makes a fucking mistake and you see him trying his best trying to wiggle out of it or not try to get the worst penalty, which would be death.

And that's the actual real reaction to what most people would go through if they did some dumb shit like this. You know what I mean? Were you feeling remorse that next day or later that day? I don't remember these days in detail how I was feeling, what I was thinking, What about later that night when you went to Orlando?

Were you feeling remorse when you were out partying at club parley celebrating what you had done that day? Oh, my sister's birthday party. Did you feel any remorse while you were drinking Don Julio tequila and putting out in video and throwing gang signs? Testify about today, sir. Yo, chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to lie, I'm getting cooked. Yo, this lawyer on bad timing.

While you were drinking Don Julio tequila and putting that in your video and throwing gang signs. I'm here to testify about today, sir. We've all seen the evidence. We've all reviewed everything I see. Mr. Chance, it's not time for you now. His name is not Chance. His name is Gathright. So the prosecutor got it wrong.

His name is Gathray. I guarantee you won't correct him, though. I get you see he's terrified and I also want to point out this thing was big bad in the streets with a gun the prosecutor's now grilling him and he's terrified let's see if he'll correct him like my name is not Mr. Chance

I say a chance comes afterwards let's see if you're going to correct you like now I'm Sean Gathright let me see if you're going to keep it speeches you've politely answered your counsel's questions can you not answer the state's questions is there something about my question you don't understand I was getting to it. I was getting to it. I was getting to Mr. Gathar. I called you Mr. Chance. Okay. I was I was getting to my answer. Um, like I said, I remember I've seen all the evidence.

Well, we've all seen all the evidence. Right. After all that evidence came in and this jury based their true verdict on that convicting you. Now you're taking accountability. Is that correct? Sustained the objection. I think the question on the table was. Yo, the judge, even the judge feel, bad. The judge feel bad. Yo, better call soul. Like, yo. It is, Your Honor.

You just need to answer that question. So, I'm going to ask you very specifically, okay? So try to focus with a laser being here, Mr. Dathright. Were you feeling remorse when you were in club parlay in Orlando drinking Don Julio? Were you feeling remorse?

I don't remember how I was feeling of what I was thinking. Don Julio. You feel a remorseful when you were drinking Da Julio, bro. Yo, I ain't going to lie. Yo, this, yo, whoever get a case versus this prosecutor in Tampa,

you're cooked. This nigg is not playing. He already got to win. There's only two options for you, life or death. And he's still going hard. You're feeling remorse when you got pulled over in the forerunner.

A couple of days later by the police. I don't remember I was nervous. I mean, I had never been involved in any police. Were you feeling remorse when you were unloading the Impala and putting all of that evidence into the forerunner? Did you feel remorse? Sorry, I told you I don't remember how I was feeling and what I was thinking in those days.

I want to see his mom's face while all this adamant. Mr. Dathright, you have led, you would agree with me, in extremely privileged life. haven't you? Yes, sir. You would agree with that, correct? I would. You've had a loving mother, correct? Yes, sir. A loving sister, correct? Damn, sir. You've had two wonderful grandmothers, correct? Yes, sir. You would agree with me, right? I couldn't deny that. One of which, probably, I'm assuming, sacrificed and paid for you to go to that private school, that preparatory school, correct? Um, it wasn't paid. It was a magnet program, so I had to apply, and it was a lottery system.

It was a lottery system. Okay, so it was a magnet. Yes, sir. All right. She supported you going there, did she not? Everybody did. Gave you open use of her house, welcomed you, treated you, and parented you basically, didn't you? Yes, sir. Took care of you when your parents were deployed, correct? Yes, sir. At the time, I was living with my grandmother. Both of my parents had been either retired or out of the military. I was just living there more so. I needed a change of scenery. and my relationship with my father wasn't sustainable. Okay. This is when you're in Oxford with your grandmother. Yes, sir.

The nice lady we saw earlier came in here. Yes, sir. The one that has supported you and spoke so lovingly about you, correct? Yes, sir. And so you went to this preparatory school, and whether you got in there through a lottery or not, you would agree with me, not everybody gets to go to a school like that, correct?

The lottery school, the magnitude of the magnet school I went to was in middle school when I was living in Jacksonville. The school I went to in Oxford was just a public ice school. school a public high school okay my mistake so you went to that preparatory school in jacksonville yes sir but again that school was not something that every kid gets to go to right oh sir not every kid gets to have a counselor and a role model like mr edwards correct no sir and not many children get to fly in planes with their stepfather correct uh no sir and and fly around in asia and get to see islands off the coast of okinawa correct oh sir very blessed

You are very blessed, aren't you? Yes, sir. And not every kid gets to go to Scotland, right? No, sir. Or Ireland. No, sir. Or Paris? No, sir.

Or London? No, sir. Or Spain? No, sir. Cape Town or Johannesburg or both in South Africa? Cape Town. Cape Town. Beautiful city, right?

You got to go experience that when you were growing up, correct? I did. Because you had such loving people around you supporting you, correct? Yes, sir. In fact, your grandmother went with you on that trip, did she not? or not on that one, but on the ones in Europe, correct? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And we heard you got to meet up with your sister in one of those trips, correct?

I did. I had the privilege. So you always had someone there taking care of you, and you always had good, strong male role models, including people at your grandmother's church and your stepfather, Mr. Harrington, correct? I had male role models in my life growing up, but in my more formative years, more so 16 to 18. I didn't I did not have a relationship with my father and the male role models that came and testified They were present but not intimately as whenever I was younger maybe middle school years

But when I when I turned around 16 18 it was the females that actually had that that caregiving and you know nurturing Relationship with me but thank you for clarifying that I appreciate it Towards the more recent years, I didn't have that one-on-one and very close relationship with, you know, those male role models in my life. You heard my stepfather say, you know, after the divorce. I did hear that, Mr. Chance. Let me stop you. Okay. Go back to my question.

I'm sorry? Mr. Gathright. I'm sorry. I keep calling you that. You finally corrected. Let me go back to what you said earlier. Between 16 and 18, you didn't have a male role model. Is that what you're telling me?

the jury I'm not saying I didn't have any male role models but day to day you know young men need strong that's not what I asked I asked if you had a male role model between 16 and 18 I had a figure that I could go to but not intimately mr. Edwards right yes sir he had stayed in contact with you even when you graduated into high school correct yes sir we we definitely maintain a relationship but it was to be pretty enthusiastic about that right yes sir you went on a cruise with them at some point did you not yeah when I was younger yes we had a very close relationship and then from what

you're saying if I understand it right the females I'm assuming you're talking about your grandmothers and your mom stepped into the gap yes sir yes sir it was grandmother's mother sister so let me understand let me get see if I got this right when you were being brought up and you were being brought up by a mother who was enlisted for an officer in the military an officer wasn't she I don't know exactly what her rank is. I know she was a sergeant. But in the Marine Corps?

Yes, sir. She was in the Marine Corps. All right. And then you had a stepfather who was in the Air Force, right? Yeah, he was, yeah. From the time you were three all the way up to when they divorced in 2020. Yes, sir. All right.

They taught you right from wrong, correct? Yes, sir. And we heard that from your grandmother, right? Of course, yes, sir. Ms. Lyle, she told us the same thing. Right. They brought you up in the church. They taught you about the Ten Commandments.

They taught you about right from wrong. Did they not? They did. All right. And they were excellent role models about living their, living your life in a discipline, honest, and right way, correct? And being law-abiding, correct? They really didn't have to worry about me. You know, I've-

Well, let me, just answer my question. Would you agree with what I'm telling you? That they were excellent role models of how to live a moral life? Yes, sir. They definitely instilled the foundation. May I have one moment, Your Honor? Yes. I've got to help, Your Honor.

Okay. Read Rick. Mr. Gathright, despite living, I think I did that, despite having what you call it a blessed upbringing, you still find yourself here today, right? Unfortunately. Where you had lived, we heard about Mississippi, and was Jacksonville different than where you had lived previously? Jacksonville was unlike any other city that I've been, lived in, or visited, or any other country. cultures, the neighborhoods, the people, it's completely different.

And how old were you when you kind of started experiencing that culture shock? So when I moved to Jacksonville, I was about nine or ten years old. You know, I didn't really know much about what the streets were, quote-unquote, the streets were. It was more whenever I got to high school and I wanted to leave the magnet school that I was at, I wanted to be at more of a neighborhood school to be around the people I grew up with because at the magnet school is this 30, 45 minutes away. I didn't really know anybody. I wasn't as close as to people I grew up with. So around high school, that's when I started hearing about, you know, and seeing, you know, the different things like, you know, the drugs and people dying and, you know, stuff like that.

And I was caught completely off guard. But I was curious, like, what is this? And listening to the music, like, I was just, like, caught up guard. Like, I'd never experienced something like that, especially living in Japan and, you know, living in different states around the world. I mean, in the country, it just didn't have what Jacksonville had. And we've heard from a lot of people that knew you, and I think it's been a pretty consistent theme that you were mature and, you know, smart and interested in things.

But you were still, what, how old around that time? I was 14, 15, you know. I would definitely would consider myself to be smart and, you know, mature for my age, but still curious. I was still a young boy, you know. I still am a young man. You think you were kind of impressionable? I was definitely, I would characterize myself as, you know, at times being naive, gullible,

impressionable. And so despite that upbringing, are you finding yourself, you know, you're in a different culture now, but you still want to be as successful as you can? Yeah, so being in the jail, you know, I'm by myself, especially in a city so far away. I don't know anybody, so I took this time to focus back in on myself and just get back to the basics, you know, what I know, you know, and without anybody being in my ear or influencing me, you know, I cut out the noise, you know, there's not many distractions in jail, you know, it's the same thing every day. So I started to work out and, you know, programs, try to educate myself more, flamination.

you know stuff like that I actually everybody asked himself or everybody asked God first things you know what we want from what we what we want God to do for us but a lot of the times we don't ask what God wants from us and so I've asked God that question you know what do you want from me you know I'm asking all these things from you what do you want from me he told me that he's calling me like I feel like my calling or what he told me was to be there for the youth serve the you keep them from going down similar paths because there's a better way. And the streets is not the way.

The streets are not the way. Even having everything trips and privilege and church and grandmas, and you still can find yourself going down a wrong path, right? Objection leading? And you feel that that's your calling? Yes, I want. Objection, non-responsive? Well, I think it's more asked and answered, but you can go ahead and answer.

Yes or no. Just answer yes. What was? What you were describing? Yes, yes. I do. I would like to I'm sorry.

Just got to wait for a question, okay? Mr. Gaffrette. Yes, ma'am. No further questions. Okay, very good. All right, members that you're going to have you step in just two minutes quick and then we will return. All right. Okay.

I also do want to play the ward in a second. But before I play that chat, apparently this guy is like, homie. So this is Sean Gathright's like friend. He has some words. He said, yo, bro, check this out. I know them folks that killed Julio Fulio. Yeah, Sean Gathright was one on. So he just got sense of the life.

Let's talk about him. I'd be honest, I grew up with Sean Gathright in Oxford, Mississippi. Me and Sean went to Oxford High School. Let me tell you, bro, Sean wasn't no killer, bro. I'm going to keep that shit 100. Sean was not no killer. We used to sit on this man, Grandma house and smoke weed together. Sean wasn't no killer.

That's why, like, people who be going around with guns and that be talking about switches and do all this kill, they don't scare me. Nigger, Sean was a everyday regular kid. We would skip school, like, hang out, have fun, and he's one of the ones that killed Fulio. And I promise you, he was smart. The boy was so smart in school. I know justice has to be served. I know justice has to be served.

I know. But I wish there really was a different outcome for him. I really wish it was a different outcome for him. So y'all know them folks that killed Julio Fulio. Yeah, Sean Gathright was one on. So he's... Okay, so he's basically saying he just wasn't like that. Interesting.

Now, what we do got to go back to is the warden. So on day one of the penalty phase, the warden for a prisoner, actually he's a former warden. He actually took the stand and, um, he actually gave reason why Sean Gathright shouldn't be killed. He said there was actually some use for Sean Gathright and basically said he shouldn't be killed. Check this out, Chad.

Father and his uncle were charged with the same murder. And as you may not consider the education team will review them, place them on a docket as they say to be reviews by. central office and moved to a facility such as Santa Rosa correction institution Martin County Ontario in Tarrant County is which made Fort Worth Fort Worth all right this prosecutor but you're you live in you work in Austin but you live in Tallahassee they go to visitation to visit someone on the weekend they're escorted to a search room where they are searched and monitored correct yes going in and out

and then they're allowed to go into this open area which I think has a maximum Clear it up a little bit. Some of the work that you've done, say, in Texas and different counties. Life, less than life, those individuals, if they're going to be getting released, that in many cases, the assignment for them. Here we go. When someone is sentenced to life without parole is the goal of the Florida Department of Corrections to rehabilitate that person?

Do you actually, I'll say. Overall, go ahead. No, in my many years of experience, says classification, officer and supervisor, the standard practice across the industry, those who are serving a term of life, they're not the ones that we are focused on making an investment in. We look at those individuals who have a term of years so we can provide them programs, betterment, peer-to-peer self-assessment programs, because the goal is to get them in a place so when they get released, they do not re-offend. and with a lifer, we are aware they will never leave the prison system.

The only opportunity they will have is they end up at a prison in which maybe we informally, as classification officers, would keep a list. So we had a vacant seat in a particular program, and they were behaving and following the rules. We would insert them so that seat wouldn't go to waste, but they're still required to work 60 hours a week. They do not get out of work versus those with a... Damn, 60 years.

hours a week. Term of life, less than life, those individuals, if they're going to be getting released, that in many cases the assignment for them will be education half a day and then work the other half. So although we've heard that someone serving life without parole is required to work and then may have some opportunity to do programs or mentorships, the ultimate goal is still punishment, correct? Yes.

No further questions. Okay, very good. May this want to be excused? Yes, Your Honor. Okay. Oh, no. testified i think you said it was 20 times of the last five years probably yes and you've given similar testimony to what you gave today yes the conditions within the department of corrections

yes okay um you've never testified in in those cases for the state of the prosecution correct no never been asked i'm trying to look at my notes then they can be considered things you mentioned right yes they have programs can you explain um what a typical day in the life of an made serving life without parole would look like since they are required to work what what else does a day look like a typical consultant means not in my work capacities mr. Bonasco to give his opinion testimony in the areas of corrections policy practices and conditions mr. Far do you witness is time thank you are you have you ever consulted on cases for the prosecution or state

attorney oh here we go set we got it no start on the inside grounds for the first three to six months and depending how well they show this thing to find out all the work you're going to be doing that you mentioned earlier in your direct about somebody with an education certain inmates can maybe be kind of mentors or peer to peer i think you described it working with mentors like fuck out of here this think about to have to do manual labor man it's a young trunk nigger man like yo send them to the fields man get out of here bro inmates um that are serving a term of years meaning they are getting

out of prison. Do you think that Mr. Gathright would have that ability if he were serving a life without parole sentence? He would have that ability. Of course, classification will have to look at his behavior, but the fact that he does have a high school diploma, that is one of the requirements to be an inmate student aid because they're helping other individual prisoners obtain some kind of education programming, so they have to have high school diploma. So he does have the credentials to be considered for that type of work assignment and as you said when he gets to classification somebody there will make all these determinations once they evaluate him physically mentally behaviorally all of that stuff right

that's correct and based on your your previous work as a classification officer you feel comfortable saying that he could potentially be in that role based on my experience and for decades the someone who I met and got the opportunity speak to and is occurring housing assignment he has the potential to be considered for an assignment like that once in the prison system but that would be over a period of time every in May who's brought into a permanent prison will have to go through a period of observation and usually they start on the inside grounds for the first three to six months and depending how well they do out in the

heat and behave and follow the rules then they can be considered for other positions which have more responsibilities or level of trust but always supervised by staff and in the Department of Corrections are there also what you consider faith and character facilities yes that is a new industry standard in the last five to seven years the Department of Corrections has quite a few of those that are spread out throughout the state and what do they offer to an inmate serving well I assume they they don't include death throw inmates but if somebody's serving life without parole what would that mean?

Anyone in the prison system up to life is eligible to be considered to go to that facility for example you have a Sumpton Correction Institution Everglades Correction Institution but you have to show a two-year record of following the rules no dismay reports no kind of security concerns just to be considered there's an application process in which they will have to go through because these facilities they're also known as incentivized prisons. So they only want those inmates who are respectful following the rules and not going to be a security concern. And based on Mr. Gathright's age, physical abilities, things like that, do you think that the prison would benefit from him in a work capacity if he were sentenced to life without parole?

I say yes. With my experience, not only just in classification, but as former warden and even as a jail administrator, he's someone that's young and is healthy. In reality, we need that labor. I got a better one. I got better on. I got better on. Age, physical abilities, things like that. Do you think those inmates who are respectful following the rules and not going to be a security concern? And based on Mr. Gathwright's age, physical abilities, things like that, do you think that the prison would benefit from him in a work capacity if he were sentenced to life without parole?

I say yes. With my experience, not only just in classification, but as former ward, and even as a jail administrator, he's someone that's young, he's healthy. In reality, we need that labor. We need that sweat equity. And we put him out there to work because we do have an aging prison population, jail administration. We have that. So we put these young individuals to work and get some sweat equity out of them since they are young and actually can do the work.

Yo, chat, I won't be honest with you. Hey, I know some of you I think this is cruel In a lot of other countries I don't know if they do it here Like Like when they sentence you to life They usually include that in a sentence

Oh, I think Louisiana do it too, right? They say Louisiana do it A lot of countries, they actually sentence you to labor So I know some people are Oh, slavery, listen, brother Not because I walk sneak or down on that Means I'm gonna defend this No

Yo, you're not about to just be kicking it, like bicking back, being bull up in a jail cell with a TV and a cell phone that got smuggled through somebody's ass crack, while taxpayers are paying for your bunk and for your food. Hell now, you got to work. You got to work. Hard labor, nigga, hard labor. Word up. Hard labor. Fuck, fuck that. Ward.

And even as a jail administrator, he's someone that's young. He's healthy. In reality, we need that labor. we need that sweat equity and we will put them out there to work because we do have an aging prison population jail administration we have that so we put these young individuals to work and get some sweat equity out of them since they are young and actually can do the work and we talk about life without parole and death row but for our jurors education in florida what does a life sentence without parole mean a life sentence in the florida of

Department of Corrections means from the minute they're brought in, they're assigned an inmate number. He will be assigned an inmate number, and when he dies and leaves in a body bag, he will still have that inmate number. An inmate serving life will never, ever get out. There is no parole in state of Florida, and they're not ever allowed. Joe, bro. Joe. God damn. And leaves in a body bag, he will still have that inmate number.

For our jurors' education, in Florida, what does a life sentence without parole mean? A life sentence in the Florida Department of Corrections means from the minute they're brought in, they're assigned an inmate number. He will be assigned an inmate number, and when he dies and leaves in a body bag, he will still have that inmate number. An inmate serving life will never, ever get out. There is no parole in the state of Florida, and they're not ever allowed outside the razor wire and the fence of a secure facility. Damn. For if that don't kill your spirit, I don't know what do, bro. So the only way that an inmate serving life without parole would leave is when they die

by natural causes. Objection. You're actually harassing that too. This is day. You want to have a moment? Yes. I'll pass the witness. Okay.

Very good. Mr. Harmon. That is included testifying in civil cases, correct? Yeah. All right. So that was like a moment there. Now, going back to the other one, the one today, I'll look to see if Isaiah Chance, so they did one defendant after the other. Isaiah Chan's time came up.

Every two years. So I've been doing that since I was. This is him. He was ill in the womb before he became out of the womb. I knew his mom when she was pregnant with him. What's your relation to him? shout out to this nigga man he's keeping a gangster

man ain't no tears man you know what you know what type of time of this nigga he'll block legend nigga fuck all that my relationship with his mom what's your relationship to him to him I'm his godmother okay how do you know his mother her school

but I David Bernard Murphy Sr. Okay now this is funny there's a part in here chat that they acknowledge

remember this is a guy Davey on Murphy. They just acknowledge that this nigga is stupid. We, like, we shouldn't even, we shouldn't even, like, give him the full weight of the law. Like, he's kind of dumb. Wait, why can't I see the thing? I'm gonna refresh it. I want to see the transcript.

They basically admit that home boy is stupid as fuck. I can't find it. What the hell? There's a part of the shit where they basically testify. He did the third or fourth grade. He had to repeat the grade. Yo, chat.

their whole yo so for the first two the first one he's a light skin nigga he's crying the second one he's trying to keep

the third nigga this is a guy that was in there like fa fa fa fa this is one that's been acting up their whole

defense of this guy is bro he's too stupid to even know what's going on bro like don't kill this guy but like

he's dumb as shit like this guy is stupid chat look at this shit this shit is comedy anyone to live where I didn't catch that

with his paternal grandmother, Mrs. Phyllis Murphy. Now, what's also noted when he was either the third or fourth grade, he had to repeat the grade, and he received a comment in the records of EMH of educationally mentally handicapped.

Oh, that makes me tell you this nigger retarded, man. Like, yo, come on, right. retarded, bro, like, which is an indication of his low IQ. Nah, this is crazy, Chad. Yo, now they're cooking this thing, yo. They basically say they're too dumb, bro. Like, yo, come on, bro. Hold on, hold on.

I'm going to have to listen to this whole testimony. Now, hold on, hold on, hold on. Nah, they're cooking them. Different areas of functioning. Again, they targeted almost every area of disability. Okay. And was Davian also given an IEP or an individualized education program? So he was given IEPs across the board almost every year.

And starting when from eight to time he was eight on or? Right, eight on. And they were relying on this IQ that was done when he was eight or nine. and there was a recommendation that they retest him but that never was done so the iep was based on this iq that was performed when he was

eight or nine years old uh... even though the recommendation was that he should be retested the reason he should have been retested is because the skills of an eight or nine year old obviously are not as demanding as they are from somebody who is older and as you're older there's more demands and the skills sets are quite different.

And the IQ could have changed. And it would have been reflective. Let me ask you that. Does the, does the, want someone's IQ change, or is it constant throughout their entire life? Or what's the, what's the, what's the feel on that? So IQ should be stable, but it should be stable at a point where there is a certain level

of developmental, maturity. So at eight or nine, the individual is quite young and that really is not a determined, set determination in terms of what their IQ really should be or is. Once an individual is a little more mature and is a little older, so that IQ should be more or less stable. Understood. Do you know, you have an age that someone's IQ would more or less stabilize? Does that make sense? So it should probably be around 16, maybe 15, 60, in other words, past puberty, where the individual already is like early adulthood.

So that is probably the point where one would look at more stability in terms of IQ. Okay. Anything else other than the 14 different schools? You mentioned the IEP program, the ESE, some diagnoses while he was in school, anything else that you utilized in in rendering your opinions that you're going to give here today? So first, he was given the Florida a comprehensive assessment test numerous times. The records indicated that his score was never level three or higher. In grade four, five, six, he repeatedly obtained level one in reading and writing.

During high school, over multiple administrations, his scores were consistently at level two. Now an individual that scores level one is basically failing. not acceptable two is also very low and it should be more like three and above so for the most part he was low performance below proficiency levels and core academic skills with no marked improvement over time so there was a consistent failure and as the test was demonstrated over time it really did not improve are these is the the F-CAT tests that kids have to pass or take every certain number of years at their

in school in order to progress and advance? Correct. Now because of the F-CATS and because of his academic difficulties, he was diagnosed with a mental disability and he received Social Security disability. That was diagnosed early on with the attention deficit disorder, hyperactivity, prescribed medications and he was taken either Ritalin or Vivans as a child and because of the diagnosis he received Social Security disability an indication of his difficulty in receiving the disability benefit. In addition he had behavioral problems. There was fighting,

It was being kicked out. At some point he moved out from his home, went with a paternal grandmother. There was difficulty with smoking, gambling, fighting. And so there was a combination of both academic difficulties as well as behavioral difficulties. Now, you said Davian was kicked out by his mother. Would that have been in the 10th grade? Correct. And he went to live where, I didn't catch that.

With his paternal grandmother, Mrs. Phyllis Murphy. Now, what's also noted when he was either the third or fourth grade, he had to repeat the grade, and he received a comment in the records of EMH, of educatively mentally, hands, which is an indication of his low IQ, his low functioning, and that was noted when he was either third or fourth grade, he repeated the fourth grade, and this was something that was noted in the records probably at the age of 10, 9, 10, something in that level. He was kicked out of multiple schools due to his behavior. He was sent to Jacksonville Youth Academy at Level 6 program for nine months from 817 to 18.

Part of the program, he was forced to go to school. Oh, my bad, my bad. I said, this is bad. Chat, how stupid this guy is like, why didn't this plead insanity? They were saying the guy was mentally retarded, bro. As of a couple of years ago, like, this guy is, like, dumb as shit. And he repeated the 11th grade, which he had not completed before. Somehow his mother was able to reinstate him in public school for the 12th grade.

Didn't graduate. Let me just stop you there for a doctor for one second. I want to bring you back to just a couple of things to highlight a couple things. You repeated the fourth grade, you said? Correct. And then he also repeated what was the 11th grade as well? Correct. Okay.

with regards to medical or psychiatric history such as any injuries to his head or what have you can you go through those with us please so there's multiple head that Davian sustained he was diagnosed again with the ADHD and he was I described Ritalin. Bro, how much things this guy diagnosed with, man? This guy, just give him a fucking helmet. I dance later on. ADHD used to be called minimal brain damage.

That was what it was called back in the day. It's changed and now it's called ADHD. The thinking was that this is a brain impairment. So I mentioned that as a note that early on. He was diagnosed with ADHD and was taking medication. And is there a time where Davion and his younger brother were seeing a psychiatrist? There was notes that he was seeing a psychiatrist, that is Dr. Lewis Cignonis, every few weeks for several years.

The records indicate visits from the year 2007 through 2010. And how old is Davian as he sits here? Do you know? He now is 28th Really? I don't think he was in his 30s. Present time?

Yes. Do you have his birthday on there? His birthday is January 10th, 1997. So in 2007 through 2010 Davian and his brother, his younger brother,

were seeing a psychiatrist. Correct. And was there also So can you tell us about an incident with a golf cart when he was seven or eight years old? He reported crashing a golf cart into a car wash, hitting his head on the steering wheel at seven or eight years old, and he remained with bad headaches after that incident. Okay, what about age 14? So he was a passenger in a car that crashed into a tree.

He ran away and did not seek medical treatment. All right. Then I'm going to jump to 2015. Was there a time where he had fractured a bone in his hand, his right hand? He fractured his third metatarsal. He was evaluated. All right, man, we don't got to listen to the whole thing. This guy is a bona fide retard. And I actually don't think...

I'm a dysfunctional. I think we're going to go into a day. I actually executive function. There was records that I actually don't believe that anyone has been sentenced yet.

So everyone's kind of putting up their case. We're at Davyon Murphy, which means the last one is going to be this guy right here. He's been seeming like he's out of it. This is Rashad Murphy. So that's going to be, I think, concluding tomorrow.

But essentially, all these people, you know, they only got two options. It's either life or death, all right? By the way, if you guys are on YouTube, we got like a couple more topics, but we're also going to watch our true crime video. Because y'all come on over to Kick.

Please, if you can, kick.com slash academics. We are going to be doing the last, like, a few hours as a kick exclusive, and I do appreciate you guys watching on YouTube. We actually got like 14,000 people in here right now, but we're going to finish the stream off. It's it's 238 in the morning We're gonna finish the stream off on kick

By the way, we're gonna quickly move on to this See if I could get this topic done quickly if you don't know So his Daily Double has announced that Chris Brown's new album Is on Pays to sell 70K first week He dropped an album called Brown It's supposed to sell 70,000 first week And what happened recently is a pitchfork

they gave a scathing review about Chris Brown's album I'm going to try to read it here but this seems more like a hit piece than an actual review check this out it says if you've paid attention to last 15 years of Chris Brown then it comes as no surprise wait is it this one then it comes as no surprise that Brown his 12th solo album

kicks off with a redemption saga in full swing they keep trying to rewrite what I survived judging chapters they never read inside he sings over the beat beat the Oz motivation pop of Leave Me Alone. A long time ago, Brown realized possibly inspired by the efforts of the estate of Michael Jackson, who he worshiped, that he needed to shape his own narrative. He was a victim of the media conspiring against him and that he continued to, and that if he continued to remind their fans of the nostalgia of his youthful innocence

and how cool his backflips are, eventually enough people would take his version of history, his gospel, or stop caring about whatever mistakes he made altogether. That's not to say he hasn't been an incredible popular hitmaker alone, but for a while there, people kept their loyalties to Team Breezy on the low. Those days are long gone. The other week we were talking about Chris, we were talking Chris Brown in the barbershop, and one of the barbers was ready to throw down in defense of his honor.

In 2025, Brown won his first Grammy award in over a decade, Best Army Album for the Deluxe of 1111. Then he celebrated two decades in the game with Breezy Bowl, One of the highest girls stadium tours in the last several years where celebrities fanned out over him every night after Bad Bunny Super Bowl performance he posted on his Instagram.

I think it's safe to say they needed me. I wish that seemed possible if Brown is a smash. The Chris Brown taboo has been lifted. If the musician biopic industry doesn't collapse,

I can already see how forever Chris Brown's story will go down. He was a chubby-cheek choir boy from the trailer park from Small Virginia, small-town Virginia with a god-gift for loose-limbed footwork and flips that sung about teen love with a Tevin Campbell-like gooiness. From his 2005 debut album, Run It, a Crunk R&B jam that hit number one. He was the most beloved R&B prodigy since Usher. Until 2009, when in 19 years old, pitchers leaked online with a bloody beating hit given

to the face of his then girlfriend the pop supernova Rihanna. From there, the story will recount how the media rejected his strides towards growth, skipping over the additional allegations of abuse. Jesus Christ. How did they start it like this? By the way, chat,

they gave his album a 1.3. Just to let you know. They gave his album a 1.3. They're not rocking with C. Breezy. And they haven't even talked about the album. They only talked about him beating Rihanna But his first two albums have joints that were classic in my iPod, but back then they're just kind of, they're like just like ripping them the entire time. Wow.

Now Chris Brown actually popped out and he kind of like responded to the bad review and he said this. Team Breezy. I know people want me to get on here and, you know, say some sad shit. But fuck that. We kicking their ass, goddamn. We ain't letting up. I'm gonna keep my foot on their neck, and we ain't stopping.

You hear me? We doing this motherfucker tour. More shit to come. I'm not gonna tell you more to come, but it's coming at the end of the day. I don't give a fuck what these niggas is talking about.

I know exactly who my fans is, and I know exactly who hearing this album. If you're not my fan, I don't want you to listen to my shit. Go listen to the motherfuck. Zara Larsson or somebody. Fuck me. Team Breezy.

All right. Yeah, unfortunately, I kind of hate that Chris Brown is still going through it. It's always made it kind of impossible for him to be the best version of himself. And I could say that and have a critique as well. I don't think Chris Brown has made the best albums in the last couple of years. I do acknowledge that he did get nominated for a Grammy. He has a huge fan base. He has an amazing performer.

But a lot of his albums are bloated. they are a test of attrition in terms of listening to it rather than a test of quality and patience and curation with a lot of like not just love but just talent and I think ever since Chris Brown's been used to like putting out these 35 song album or bloated albums I think it's been a while since we've had one of those like really special ones and his albums now you know they're hit or miss

but his legacy of being just this prodigy is always going to live on so you know he's going to be fine but it is unfortunate that when he's trying to get some type of acknowledgement to get to another level this stuff always rears his ugly head

and I kind of feel bad for him definitely feel bad for him I'm excited for his tour with Usher, but I'm going to be honest with you. He's in a situation where I think almost, well, clearly he's better than Kanye, but I don't think Kanye will ever be forgiven. And just like Chris Brown, I don't think he's ever forgiven except I think it's to a lower level at this point. It's been, remember that thing happened in 2009. It's literally been 17 years.

and 17 years when they're reviewing his album, Pitchfork, they did a whole article on how he's still a piece of shit before they even got to the music, which is bananas, if you ask me. Okay. By the way, I didn't see this in a trial, but they're claiming that one of Julio Fulio's murderer,

the retarded guy, he couldn't stop laughing in court while his co-defendants were asking the jury to spare them. Let me hear it. Yeah, that looks like at the beginning of the case, not like while someone's on the stand but we'd have had some audio Oh yeah

This looked like it's in between Okay Let me react to this real quick Chat because y'all come over to kick Please come over to kick Come on over to kick guys Real quick Let me address Boussey

Who supposedly turned out another interview Offer but this time from Say cheese They offered him 15,000 to do an interview Keep in mind He wanted 30,000 from Vlad Vlad was paying him 25 Vlad wouldn't go up in price. He quit Vlad.

He did his own interview. Apparently, Sean Cotton offered him 15,000 to do an interview, and he turned it down as well. Sean Cotton mentioned it on a podcast that he had offered him when he turned it down, and Bootsie decided to make this video. Check it out. Sean Cotton, actually, you're wrong, bro. I'm not going to take no losses, not fucking with Vlad, bro. You're wrong, bro.

You're wrong, bro. that 20, 25,000, five, six times a year. Bro, I make that in the weekend, bro. I make that six weekends in a row, bro. I don't need a podcast to be successful, bro. Like, I expect you to take your side because, nigga, you're a podcast. But I think the real reason is you reached out to me last week

trying to get an interview. And I told you no, bro. Like, you got to take that on the chin, bro. Like, don't go on to thank billing shit about me and how you feel. me, I mean, if you wanted interview, you could pay for interview, nigga. Like, bro, like, I don't need a podcast to be successful, bro. That's what you need to know, bro.

Like, you're talking this shit about this and that, like, bro. I just made one weekend with a motherfucker making five years, bro. Like, I'm like that, bro. like this shit can't be stopped bro no weapon formed against me shell prosper but for you to keep doing shit like this bro like i guess because you're a podcasting nigga i mean but you all you you reached out to me for an interview bro no bro like the way i'm doing my interviews right now man my 300 years from now i'm gonna be getting paid off him bro every time somebody posts every It's monetized, bro.

It's monetized, bro. My grand churn, grand churn gonna make money out for, bro. It's monetized, bro. But you're wrong, bro. I mean, I mean, y'all stretching this shit. Y'all keep stretching this shit. You were, like, y'all keep stretching this shit. It seemed like y'all mad.

That's what it seems like to me. It seems like y'all mad. I'm not mad. I mean, that's penis, bro. That shit is nothing to me, bro. I'm a hustler, bro. Like, I get this shit in nine different ways. I'm a hustler, bro.

Like, can't knock the hustle, bro. Like, but I think you're mad because I ain't going to do your interview, bro. Like, no. Now, let me get my opinion. I'm slightly with Boosie on this point. I do want to say, say, Boosie has kind of like fell back. I haven't heard nothing from Boosie. So I don't know if he's so rolling out his interview, if he got another interview going on. But I will say that

Boosie's not complaining about people not paying him. And we got to give him credit. He's not complaining. He made his decision and he's standing on it as a man. But I can't blame the people who are talking about him either, because here's the thing. They're making money off of Boosie by just talking about him, which actually proves their point that maybe they didn't need to have Bousie on the platform at all. So I can't tell them they're wrong for speaking about Bousie, and I can't say that Bousie's out here dragging it either.

So, I mean, at the end of the day, if Bousie, you know, I'm glad he's standing on his principles, he don't care about the $25,000, he don't care about the $15, he wants his price, and if he doesn't get his price, it's not going to work. I can't say I have a problem with that. that. So, you know, I know some people might be like, yo, you're turning down 15K for this. You turn down 25 for that.

Boosey don't seem to be complaining. I just can't be mad at like Vlad or whoever else that brings it up because in reality, they're making their money off of talking about Boosie because it is a topic that people care about. And I don't know if Boosie looks at that and be like, man, shit, rather than Vlad talking to himself and him getting interviewed about me, I could have got another 50,000 or whatever. But he claims he makes that like in a weekend. So who knows. But I won't say Boussey is wrong because I think Boussey accepts what's going to come with it.

And I can't say whoever is talking about him is wrong either because at this point, Boussey's opened it up where he's talking about him just gives people free cash. So defeats a whole other purpose, all right? Okay, chat, I'm cutting YouTube. Thank y'all for rock with me on there. But we are all going over to kick. Please meet me over at kick. Rumble ad to cut y'all.

And then YouTube. Last thing I'll tell you out before, if you guys haven't cop tickets yet to my birthday show, please do. Tickets are still available. You know, a couple days away. Was it two days away? Three days away?

Two days away? Love to have you guys in a building. Go to Ticketmaster. Type in Dij Academics. You guys could order tickets. And I look forward to see you guys on Friday. Iceman will be out and I will be in New York City. So that would be a good time.

All right. YouTube, got a blast. Okay. Perfect. You actually got like a dope ass. You know what I got? I've been trying to watch this. This is the, uh, yo, this guy has all the true crime stuff.

Doctor insanity. Okay, okay. We're about to watch this one. This is cold. Family Fines. Dad's head missing in a garbage bag. We're going to watch this real quick. I got to get like, why it's so cold here, though?

This is crazy. Family finds, imagine finding like your relatives head in a garbage can. This is like some David's shit right here. This is exactly what it cues David up, right? Oh, that's on the truck. That must have backed up right here right here, right? Is that the head?

Okay. Oh, no. It's like a scary movie. Is that? Okay. Back up, back up please. Back up. Oh my God.

Okay. All right, now he must have did it. Back up, nigga. Back up, back up. Back up, back up. Back up. Back up. Officers report to a seemingly routine traffic incident in Moses Lake Washington.

What no officer on scene realizes is that this encounter would be the start of a terrifying investigation. Leading to the most dark and twisted body cam footage we've ever. ever shown on this channel. What? If you want justice? I already know who did it. Listen to me, please. Get out of your car and come get my kid.

Put him in cuffs right now. Don't say anything right now. We don't know. Man, did you do it? Look at me. Man, did you do it? It's an early Sunday afternoon on November 3rd when officers patrolling downtown Moses Lake

identify a truck matching a stolen vehicle report logged just hours earlier. Multiple police units have been dispatched. more than typically assigned to a stolen vehicle report. Almost as if, from the very start, police somehow knew this vehicle theft report would soon unravel into something much worse. 1.45 Mac.

We're slow rolled in. All this is stolen being in that porter house. Inside the vehicle is 27-year-old professional athlete Isaiah Thomas, the former A-star wide receiver for Eastern Oregon University who is currently armed with a weapon. Whoa. What you do, bro? Hey, you got a car.

You got a truck, please. Here's what happened. The truck was reported, has stolen. Whose truck is this? You talk to me, man. It's my truck. It's your truck. Okay.

Do you have your ID, registration? Just go and turn it off, please. I apologize if it's your truck, but... Yo, I ain't going to lie. It's kind of scared of being a cop. Because I would have think this thing could fit to pull a gun on me. I would have had my shit ready to...

Like, come on, chat. You look a little sketch already. You have your ID. Registration. Just go and turn off, please. You know what I was told him, nigga, nigh, nah, I don't reach for nothing, nigga. I apologize if it's your truck, but it wasn't registered in your name, man. Yeah, I know. Okay. There's ammunition in the front seat. Okay.

Okay. Okay. I'm gonna chill out, buddy. Don't be okay. All right, man. Just come on and step out the car with that. The ammunition on the passenger seat suggests that Isaiah might be carrying a weapon. The officer quickly realizes that this is he'll be carrying a weapon. The officer quickly realizes that this This encounter could escalate at any moment, so they swiftly order him out of the vehicle only to uncover something interesting about his identity. What's up, Greg?

What's so, man? Alvarado. Yeah, how you doing, Isaiah? Another day. Another day. Don't put your penknit. They're gonna detain you right now? No, no, bro.

Okay, make sure you don't have any weapons on you, okay? I do got a weapon on me. What do you have? I think I got a knife right here. You have a knife? Pocket knife. This one, that's it? Okay.

I have to take a seat home. That thing you live at, UK? It's so bad though. It's so bad, so bad. Okay. It's ridiculous how bad I need one, you know? I hear you. You knew you.

Yeah, so I went to high school with him. He was a star athlete, right? Then he started... It started talking, it was kind of weird. Yeah, but... It turns out, Officer Alvarado and Isaiah went to high school together, And Alvarado recalls Isaiah as a standout football player who went on to compete at the college level. But now in front of him was a disoriented young man barely able to focus and answer their questions in a stolen vehicle.

A stark contrast to the athlete Alvarado once knew. In reality, there is a very good reason for Isaiah's odd behavior. One that Officer Alvarado will soon understand, as within minutes, Isaiah and his family will be at the same. center of a murder investigation with only one question left unsolved for now officers decide to contact Isaiah's family to inform them of his recent actions and detainment they quickly get his family contact details and call his mother 47 year old Cassie Thomas however the information Cassie provides shifts the course of the investigation in an unexpected way Hello, this is off Salvador with the Mosley Police Department.

I'm trying to reach Cassie. This is she? Hey, do you have a son, Isaiah? Yes, I do. We had a call earlier about him being in someone else's vehicle. He's in a truck now, a gray Chevy Silverado. Okay. We're trying to figure out if this is his truck or not, because he's saying it is.

But the person that called about him said that he stole the truck from another neighbor. Now, that's his, his and his grandfather. Okay, who's his grandpa, if you don't let me ask? Richard. Richard? Yeah, he probably let him borrow it. He's staying with his grandfather right now. What's the address?

430 Dale. Yep, that's where the truck was taken. Okay, that's weird. Yeah, no, that clarifies something, because we thought potentially this truck might have been stolen, so we were trying to figure it out. No, no, I'm sorry about that. No, no, no worries. At this point, Officer Alvarado begins to realize the mistake they've made. Now it makes sense why Isaiah immediately asked for a lawyer.

He was being accused of something he clearly didn't do. As Officer Alvarado continues speaking with Isaiah's mom, he decides to ask about something that's been worrying him since the very moment Isaiah stepped out of the truck. I went to high school with Isaiah. He wasn't never really like this. Is everything okay? Uh, be fine. Okay.

He just seemed a little bit off to me when he was talking. Well, probably because he's being accused of something you didn't do. It's his grandpa's truck. Yeah, he lives at 4.30, Dale. But thank you for answering my phone calls and my questions. It actually helps out a lot. Okay, all right. Okay, thank you.

Thank you. Bye. Bye. Officer Alvarado doesn't know it yet, but his suspicion that something is very wrong with Isaiah isn't far from the truth. Still, with no evidence tying Isaiah to a crime, they have no choice but to release him. But as he walks away, Officer Alvarado follows him, hoping to reconnect with his old friend. Alright, bro.

Let's walk over to the front of your truck, I just want to tell you something with there right now. I know you don't want to talk about this. It's cool. You don't have to, okay? So, you all right, man? Like, off the books, do you want to talk about anything? Because I'll turn off my camera around. We can have a conversation, bro.

Like, uh, it's just like, like, we're out of time right now, bro. Yeah. There's a time in everybody's life, bro. They just need to, like, really reevaluate the, yeah, what's going on, you know? Yeah. If you need anything, please, don't hesitate to call. I'll sit down and have a conversation for you, but sure. All right?

Yeah. Take care. To Avarado, it seems Isaiah wants to say something, but... Wait, wait, let me ask you a question. So, if someone reports the car stolen, why don't they... The car's not registered to him. Why don't they say, hey, okay, even if your mom says it's your grandpa's car, whatever, we need to talk to the owner of the car.

We need to talk to the owner of the car who says they gave you a car before we could just, like, let everything go. They basically took the mom's word and they're just giving them back the car. Don't they have the number of the person who reported stolen? Like, what's up? He just can't find the words. For now, Isaiah gets into his truck and drives. off, unaware that this won't be the last time today he'll be accused of a crime. Oh, y'all was saying his address was on the license?

His address was on, so his address, so the plates come back for the car to what's on his license. It doesn't matter, though. If it's not his car, even if he lives in the house with the person whose car it is, you never know. the car could have been stolen by somebody in the house. I would think they would try to just get in contact with the person who owns the car. This touch, can I help you? Yeah, I was wondering if I could speak to somebody about a missing person. In Moses Lake?

It's my father. Nobody's seen him. Yes, Moses Lake. Okay. And his first and last name? Richard. Andrews. And what is his home address?

Is it the 430 deal? Correct. All right, Kelly, I've got this report started. I'm going to hand it over to the officers. I just need you to try to find a recent picture of him. And if you hear from him or anything changes before they contact you, go ahead and give us a call back and let us know, okay? Okay.

On the phone is Kelly Kirkendahl reporting that her father, 75-year-old Richard Andrews, mysteriously vanished. Officers are sent to his address, and minutes later, they arrive to investigate. Hello. Well, I'm doing better than you guys. How's it going? How are you? Carmen.

All right. You know. Waiting for Sergeant Rodriguez are Carmen, Kelly, and Cassie, daughters of Richard Andrews, the missing elderly man. As he begins speaking to them, hoping to learn more about their father's disappearance, a familiar face steps out of the house. So, we have no idea. The neighbor talked to my husband, this is my husband Mike.

Hi Mike, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He hasn't seen him in a day and a half or so. I haven't seen him longer than this. that but his phone's been ringing his sister's called nobody knows where he's at so okay and this is this normal no no what's wrong okay what's at after do you do you know do you know where is it your grandfather yeah my grandpa do you know where he's at no i have no clue of where he's at no he didn't tell you anything where he was going did you see him leave no so basically what i did see was him talking to somebody out here he was kind of like parked a little far

father out like he pulled off to the side a little bit they're talking in the window I look down that's it did tell me that he was going up to the res but I just got confirmation from Greg right he's not there so I don't know which res uh Calville callville yeah that's property up there but we already put a phone call up there and they said no nobody's nobody's there about what time was it when you saw him lost I don't remember was it morning afternoon night time it was afternoon afternoon it was it wasn't like late afternoon though okay While officers are surprised to be speaking with Isaiah and his mother Cassie, for the second time that day, their priority right now is finding his grandfather, Richard.

With the timeline now established and Isaiah believed to be the last person to see Richard, Sergeant Rodriguez turns his attention to him. But as their conversation unfolds, he begins to notice something strange about this family. You said you saw him about a day and a half ago, and that would have been so yesterday afternoon sometime or the day before yesterday no not yesterday was that day a day and a half ago so Friday today Sunday Friday so yeah bro so no when you saw him what were you doing what was going on with it right there smoking okay and where was he right there talking to that guy and then I look down boom and then that was that

was it weird for you that he wasn't here anything like that no okay okay he'd be gone for weeks Yeah. Oh, he has his property? He'd be gone for weeks at a time, no one would be hearing from him. That's why he's tripping, why are we tripping? Yeah, right, y'all, y'all. But the only thing that's weird is that he left his wallet here. That's the only weird thing that got me.

Okay. Okay. But it's not... That's very strange to me. But it's normal for him to be gone weeks at a time. But we know where he's at. Usually down at there, I call them. What stands out to Rodriguez is how differently the family reacts to the discipline

parents of their relative. While Isaiah and his mother Cassie suggests that Richard's absence isn't especially unusual, with Isaiah even casually smoking weed, his daughter Kelly sees it very differently and appears genuinely concerned for her father in a way the others do not. That's when Isaiah's father, Anthony, arrives, bringing with him the breakthrough they've been waiting for. You're talking about up there? Yeah, see. You need to go down to a shop and take some pictures down there. To me it looks like there's something going on. It looks like some burnt shit that's laid out there and some... Where's his shop?

His shops down in the valley. You know where the motorcycle shop is? That's just, if he's not here, he's usually down there. Oh, I got to tell that something... Do you think something else is going on down there? No, no, no, no. I'm just saying that if he's not here, he's down there. No, he's asking...

No, what I'm saying is that's something that was out there that looked like there's some burnt-up shit out there. That's never been there. I don't know the address. What's the last time you seen? What's Carmen's... Okay, a day and a half ago. He's already a bro.

Why y'all keep all in? No, be good, right? You're pissing me off. You're pissing me out too. Everybody's pressing me like I. You're the closest thing to him. Okay. The last person we're not going to get.

No need to get frustrated. I just keep you pee in myself. Would you be able to take one of my officers down there to where the shop is at? Yeah. Just so that way we know exactly what we're talking about. And it's so that way if he's there, That's great.

Right. Do you remember what he was wearing, Isaiah? I cannot recall. Because that's part of the support that I'm taking so I can enter it into the system. Okay, I know. I know. I'm just letting you know. Very slippers, I think.

Okay. But we leave that. Oh, those are in the house. So any, remember any jewelry? No. No. Don't wear jewelry. Oh, let me, let me talk to him.

Thank you. Okay. Okay. You want to have to follow him? Yeah. So, because we don't know the exact address. If you want to follow you? follow Anthony down to his shop down in Cascade Valley.

His cell phone's here, wallets here, everything's here, dog's here, just whatever he had on his person in his pocket. It was all right. Thank you. Anthony and several other family members head to the shop with a deputy while Sergeant Rodriguez stays behind to gather the remaining details. As he does so, he takes note of the family's statements so far, and what stands out is Anthony's frustration with Isaiah.

It seems like the two of them know something the others don't, as the way Anthony questions his son sounds like he's accusing him of being involved with Richard's disappearance. Meanwhile, Isaiah is being defensive, claiming everyone is overreacting. His mother, on the other hand, remains calm, smiling, and at times even answering questions that weren't directed at her. Rodriguez notes the contrast in this family's behavior and steps away to drive to Richard's shop. But before he can go, Isaiah's mother would make a horrifying statement, one that would come back to haunt her. So I'll get this logged in, and then if you guys have anything, give me a call. Get out of your car and come get my kid. Put it in cuffs right now.

Don't say anything right now. Huh? We don't know. Okay. So, yeah, let me know. Okay. Thank you. Those statements are coming from Isaiah's mother, Cassie, as she approaches the officer just out of friends.

In a... Man, she snitching her kid like that! Sudden shift, Cassie tells the sergeant to arrest her own son, catching him completely off guard. Just moments ago, she hadn't seemed particularly concerned. Now she's adamant that Isaiah is guilty of something. It's a sharp change in behavior, one that leaves officers wondering if Cassie knows far more than she's letting on.

For now, the sergeant doesn't fully understand what Cassie's implying, but in the next few minutes, Her urgency will make a lot more sense. By now, Anthony is on his way to Richard's shop, just two miles from the house with a patrol unit following closely behind. And as the first deputy pulls up to the shop, he notices several other family members have also gathered. Expecting to find a lead on Richard's whereabouts, they would instead uncover something no one was prepared to see.

Nobody thinks of what is that? Who are out? Who are you? Let's have some tart right here, there's hand. truck the most of the working truck that must have backed up right here that's right okay is that okay back up back up please back up back up please back up i want to see i want to make sure back up back up oh i don't see anything and you call him palm down oh my god okay back up back up back up please back up back up back up okay ma'am can you come this way

Ma'am, can you come this way, please? Ma'am. 1.41, Mac. I need 1.06 to my location. Can you take her over there, please? Please. This is now a crime scene. Yes, I know.

I'm trying to do it. Okay, I know. How kill me. Sarge, he's buried in the ground. There's someone buried underneath the ground. Buried in a shallow grave. in the front yard of his own shop, lies the dead body of 75-year-old Richard Andrews. Richard's daughter, Kim, is the first to see him.

She recognizes her father immediately, revealing part of his leg with the same jeans he always wore. It's a horrifying discovery for them to make. Even the deputy is shaken and unable to control the situation on his own. But as he observes the family, something about it feels off. By the time he arrived, the family had already begun digging, and within moments of uncovering Richard's body, they started pointing fingers, fixating on the one person they're convinced is responsible. I can't touch me. Do you want me to help you? No.

Don't touch me. Okay. I knew this was going to happen. That was hit his son. My sister said it's at their house right now, did it. And the gun's probably on the bed. It's a rifle that's laying in my mom's bed. We have mental bailers.

So we're having the county of respond, okay? And their supervisor is going to come, and they're probably gonna set up a containment, okay? I just ask that you guys try to cooperate as much. I can't make any promises. No, we're not leaving. Okay, well, ma'am. I'm not coming in here right now.

Is somebody over there, you know, that little psychopath? path. Hold on. If you want to do what's best for... No, what I want to do right now, okay? I just, I just need you guys, please don't, okay? I just need you guys to at least try to have some understanding, okay? And I want you guys to listen. To the officer's surprise, Kim doesn't hesitate to blame her nephew, Isaiah. Despite there being no direct evidence linking him to what happened here, shaken and unsure how to handle the situation, the deputy allows the family to remain at the crime scene even after the body is discovered. Then two minutes later, Sergeant Rodriguez finally arrives, stepping straight into the chaos.

He tries to regain control of the situation, but it doesn't take long before he loses his patience. Where are they out? He's under there. Okay, we didn't touch, do we? They didn't touch him when I was coming up here. Man, let's get away, please, ma'am. Ma'am, we need a preserve, okay? Come on, come on. We need to make sure that we do this, okay?

Here, I'm right here. Hello. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah. Stand over here, please. And then it's like there's some stuff for the whole... Okay, we need some... We need everybody, please, we need everybody back, please, okay?

Ma'am, we do need everybody out of here. If you want, we need to preserve this. Okay. I get it. You're upset. But if you want justice... I already know who did it. Listen to me. Please. I know you know. We need other things to make this work. Please. Please. Despite Kim's certainty, officers aren't yet convinced that Isaiah is their killer. Because as they inspects the scene closer, something else stands out.

Something that starts to point to someone very different. Burnt debris is scattered across the grass. clear sign that something had been intentionally destroyed. But the cover-up goes even deeper. The section of lawn where Richard was buried had been cut out, replaced, and even watered afterwards, an effort to make the yard appear completely untouched. For investigators, it's still unclear whether Richard was murdered here or only his body was dumped. To find out, they need to search his shop standing just a few feet away.

Here's office make yourself known. You're about with your hands up. Police, anybody in here? Clear. Can I'm gonna go right? You cover left? Yep. Go ahead.

Want to bump up to that go? Got it? Clear. Up ahead is Richard's shower. And strangely, the deputy notices it appears to have been recently used, suggesting the killer may have been here only minutes earlier. Officers then continue clearing the rest of the shop, finding no signs of a strogan. signs of a struggle. Nothing to suggest Richard was killed here, so they shift their focus to securing a search warrant for his house. A search that would end very differently.

As officers begin to regain control of the chaotic scene, Richard's daughter Cassie arrives, the same woman who had told the sergeant earlier to arrest her son, Isaiah. Why she accused him before the body had even been discovered is now a question detectives need to answer. But first, They have to break the devastating news to her. Yeah, we can't. I know. I need to see. No, we can't.

We can't. We can't. We're going to go around now. That's going to be his, but the family members are the ones driving it. He hurt. So. Oh, please. No, no, you can't go.

Now you can't. Listen, listen, you can. I just got to see. How does everybody know that the guy did it? Okay, Anthony, we can't, we can't cross. I'm not gonna go across the line. She just wants to look over the line. We want, she won't go past the line.

I'll make sure. Look, look by the door. Please. By the door. Okay. Naturally, Cassie is distraught. Not only because her father is dead, but because she suspects her own son may be responsible.

For now, officers continue securing the scene and prepare to send Richard's body. to send Richard's body for autopsy. But as they do, they begin to overhear the family frantically talking amongst themselves. And what they're saying would suggest the situation is only escalating because someone else might be about to get hurt. Right. We have one that's confirmed in a shallow grave. Do not start talking, please. Don't say anything. Just be quiet. Please. You know what's going It's over there already.

I get it, but we need, I've heard everybody, but we need things to figure out. 106, Mac, we need units down at 430 deal. Ma'am, please. We're going to have to leave the truck here for now. 29.30. Where am I supposed to go then? I just want you to walk that way, please. 1.45 back on clear.

Hey, David. All right. I have the father heading down to 430 Dale and possible suspect is there and it might not be good. According to Carmen, Anthony is furious and already on his way back to the house convinced his own son Isaiah is responsible. He's just seen the body of his father-in-law buried in the ground. So what he does next is completely unpredictable. Multiple units are quickly sent to the house, racing to get there before Anthony confronts Isaiah. Minutes later, officers make it to the house just seconds ahead of Anthony, who is right behind them, along with the rest of the family, all demanding answers.

I'm gonna get a pint, wait, go back. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back. Back up. Go back now. Yeah, come on. Tell me, see you, Isaiah?

I need you guys to stay back okay please just the left secure him in your car Thomas Chris him for weapons please yeah did you do it please stay back sir did you do it look at me did you do it please I need to stay back sir did you stay back sir did you do it did you do it Isaiah look at me why would I look at me yeah you're my first born did you do it One more time. Oh, Isaiah just got to look at him like, your daddy, stop snitching on me, man. Stop the snitching, dad.

What hell, though? Oh, I'm sorry. That's not my lawyer. All right. Just go ahead and be here. I can take a seat. Close it here. Here's the deal.

That's family. Good. One of the family members are saying this is, right? Yeah. So they came down here to confront him because they think he did it. Yeah. The only reason he's in cops right now is we don't. I thought he was like the suspect.

No, we don't have B.C. or reasonable. Right now he's in there because I think he did it. We need to keep them separated. Okay. Okay. Got it? Cool. For the second time today, Isaiah is accused of a crime.

Only now it's something far more serious. And the accusations are coming from his own family. They stand by, watching as he's taken into custody, convinced the case is now solved. But what officers are about to uncover would. complicate everything, revealing that no one in this family can truly be trusted. But before we get to that, I used to just keep all my money in my bank account, not really thinking it was possible. If your money stays you. Grand County Jail on probable cause, police continue speaking with the rest of the family,

but by now Richard's daughters are too shaken to talk. So investigators turned to his son-in-law, Greg, one of the first to discover the body, and they're about to learn that he has vital information that would begin to piece together this meticulous murder. So let's start from the beginning. How do you know the guy who works on the shop out here? Richard is my father-in-law that I married one of his daughters last year. Okay, so he is your current father-in-law? He is my father-in-law.

I live across the street. Okay. So you're pretty close with him? I was very close to him. Okay. What do you think happen? I think that there may have been some type of transaction at Richard's house with Isaiah. I don't know exactly the full details of what's going on with him, but I know he's been having issues, paranoia issues and things of that nature.

What do you mean by transaction? Like an altercation? Yeah. What I think is Richard's old school, he doesn't, he's not into the whack at the back or the marijuana. And I think maybe he confronted him. Somebody said something about the tarp that you saw. Yeah, I had a tarp, we had a tarp at the house. and I'm not saying that's the actual tarp, but I know that it was a brown and a gray tarp.

That you had at your house? That we had at our house, and I can't. It was sitting right there and I'm really by my truck, but why were the barbecue is and stuff? And I haven't seen it, so I don't know if it blew away. I don't know, but it is missing. And sure enough, when the family began digging, they discovered Richard's body had been fully wrapped, in a brown and gray tarp. With that tarp belonging to Greg, it now raises two possibilities. Either he just incriminated himself or whoever did this used it specifically to frame him.

And Greg has his own theory about who may have set him up. It's, he's, Isaiah's been acting pretty, pretty strange lately. You've met Isaiah? Yes. Has he ever been to your house? Yes. Okay. And the last time he was there, he was super paranoid about, about everything. Does he drive Richard's truck very often? Everybody drives Richard's trucks often, to be honest with him. Okay. He will drive them all the time, but I do know that Isaiah was pulled over today, I want to believe, and Moses. You mentioned seeing tire tracks, is that correct? Correct.

Going into the grass. Going into the grass. Yes, sir. Tell me, tell me about these hard tracks. I've seen it look up here to either somebody was backing in or somebody turned to the right, I believe. Okay. And I seen the tire mark going into the grass and I seen, that's when I seen it, and then I noticed a hose and everything like I told you. Is it common here on the property for vehicles to go into the grass? Negative. He never goes on that grass. According to Greg, Richard's truck was shared and often driven by multiple members of the family, which is a negative. which immediately complicates things, as the tire tracks, officers identified at the crime scene no longer point to a single suspect.

But just as leads begin to run dry, officers would learn that the search warrant for Richard's home has finally been approved. So detectives quickly wrap up their interview with Greg and head straight back to the house. The moment they step inside the home, the detectives notice a strong scent of bleach in the air. All surfaces have been wiped down and inside there are clear, signs of a cleanup job. Detectives know they're dealing with a methodical killer, possibly more than one, but even then, they would overlook something critical. When detects the house more closely, they notice spots of blood on the back door handle that had been missed. Their first real piece of evidence tying Richard's house to his murder, and then they stumble upon something even more

significant, a knife hidden in the living room still in its sheath marked with visible red stains. Whoever tried to erase what happened here didn't manage to get rid of everything. With the scene processed, all evidence sent for forensic analysis and the family dispersed, the focus now shifts to the man back at the station. Since his arrest, Isaiah has refused to cooperate, but now as officers return to confiscate his clothing, they're about to discover the most crucial piece of evidence may have been right in front of them all day. Okay, that's your time. You take off your shoes and then take off your sweatshirt.

Bray, this hell of clothing. Okay, I'll try to get you to the blanket. You got two blankets there. I'll try to get you in the one. Let's get to a fool. When officers hold up Isaiah's shoes, they notice they're covered in dirt and possibly dried blood. It's the first and only detail that could play. him anywhere near the crime scene, but it's far from definitive.

With the day coming to an end, investigators finish processing their findings and prepare for tomorrow, hoping they'll finally be able to answer what really happened to Richard. As for Isaiah, by continuing to refuse to speak, he has effectively handed his fate over to his family, who have already begun forming theories and accusations with even the closest relatives ready to completely turn on each other. The next morning, after nearly 12 hours of detectives digging through the family's past, troubling rumors begin to surface, alleging Isaiah might have been involved in an old cold homicide case that remains unsolved to this day. Detectives also hear whispers that Isaiah's own parents may have helped cover it up,

and may have even known what happened to Richard long before anyone else. These are serious allegations that detectives will need to explore carefully, But right now, their immediate priority is uncovering what truly happened to Richard and who's responsible. To do that, they begin calling family members into the station for formal interviews. The first to arrive is Isaiah's father, Anthony. Among many other details, detectives need to address one critical question. Why was he so quick to suspect his own son? Was it simply a gut feeling?

Or did he know something no one else did? I think it was a week ago, week before this incident happened. And Kim is like, you guys need to come down there. And Isaiah's acting crazy. We go down there and we walk in the house. As soon as we get in the house, he's like, he has this big bag of weed that you could tell that he got from like the dispenser or whatnot. It's big. It's big.

What the fuck are you doing here? Like this is what you kicked me out of the house for, right? I was like, yeah. He says, what the fuck are you doing? this has nothing to do with you and I was like listen here man your aunt scared because you're at you're wilding out up in here so then I look I'm looking at him and he was like Sam my say I am he's got a butcher knife like this and he just like but he's like crying say I am and say this I if he had got me it would have been all of us you know so I just

said I'll leave I'm I mess up you know as a father did I do something wrong like what did I do because this is not you. And he was just like, you're the best dad ever, man. I couldn't ask for a dad, man, better than you, man. It's kind of like, you did everything right. You're a great dad, man. And then Kim's like bust out crying. And then he's just like, get the fuck out of your, motherfucker,

kill you. Naturally, this account from Anthony catches detectives off guard, as they realized the incident may have foreshadowed everything. So they paused the interview and look into it. confirming that it did in fact occur. One week earlier, police were called to Isaiah's aunt Kim's house after reports that he was experiencing a medic episode. And as detectives review the body cam footage of that incident,

it quickly becomes clear why the entire family believes he did it. Please don't you just tase the fuck out of him because he's got the knife. He's got the knife with him? Yeah. Okay, what's? That's my husband. Okay. That's our older son.

Okay. What's his issue? Like, is he, can you, do you guys want to just stay out? I know it's your son, but we just don't know what the situation is, right? Isaiah, do you have a knife on you? Do you want to go down the ground? Just to verify, man. I'm in a bit, though.

We're just, hey Isaiah, we're gonna put you in cops, but it's just for our safety, okay? You're not under arrest. We just want to make sure you're okay, okay? I want to go down. I said, bring a bitch ass home, man. Come on, man. I said, bring a bitch ass on, man. To your knees, man.

You can you put your hands behind your back, man? Can you put your hands by your back? Again, you're not under your head. arrest okay just doing this for your safety this is recording yeah you're being recorded on the camera right here so is it is it supposed to be red when it's recording yep it's see how it's blinking red oh okay yeah okay you want to walk over here to our car man we're gonna let's figure out what's going on and then kind of just go from there okay when officers detain isaiah they find him in tears struggling to hold himself together and as they pull him away from his family he's about to tell

officer something unexpected about himself. What's going on today? I'm just going through a lot of shit right now, so. Okay. What's you going to do, bro? Do you want to do with anything like that? Uh, no, not. I mean, I guess everybody do, you know, but I mean...

What you do? Do you and find out of yourself today? No, not today, but this past week. Just having a rough time. Yeah. But it's all good, bro. I'll bounce back, bro. I'm going to shake back.

Yeah, it's all good. Good, bro. I'm gonna, I'm gonna shake back again. Yeah. And again, and again, and again. Do you want to go to the hospital or anything like that? And again, and again, huh? Do you want to go to the hospital or anything like that? No, bro. It's good. Like, I'm good.

So, so what was the, what was the deal with the knife? I got a swisher in there, it's called, it's a blunt, basically, and I cut, use a knife and I split it. Okay. To take out the tobacco to put my weed in. Okay. At first. Okay.

Then me and my answer are arguing that knife was on. I was on the table, so... I didn't just had it all already. It was already there, me, and we started arguing. I wanted to leave, but she just... It's not that big of it did. I was a good person, bro. No one said you're not a good person.

I don't... I've never met you. I'm just saying, bro, like... That what happened? I just... ...clearly there is sympathy in the officer's voice, as he realizes the man in front of him has been dealt a very difficult hand in.

life and although Isaiah downplays the incident in hindsight it would read very differently because perhaps this was the last and only time something could have been done to prevent the tragic fate of Richard Andrews after analyzing this is Montclair what you talk about like this is actual Monclare like dead ass look it says it right here Monclay niggins this ain't no AP swatch collab nigga this is Monclare nigger the fuck Now, I should go grab like a blanket, but like, I gotta go a little bit upstairs, man. The incident and forming a clearer picture of Isaiah, detectives return to finish.

I'm like Sosa right now, nigga, like, yo, I got the Moncleasy. I'm cooling right now. I'm watching this true crime. Your interview with Anthony, through his account, it becomes clear he believes Isaiah's issues stem from two factors, prolonged marijuana use and repeated head trauma from his time as a while. Wait, they're trying to say this nigga. clapped his grandfather because he smoked too much weed. I thought y'all said weed don't make people do crazy shit.

Fight receiver, a position notorious for heavy hits and brain damage. Anthony also goes on to clarify crucial details about his son's mental state, making it evident that his initial suspicions of Isaiah were rooted in his son's increasingly unpredictable and volatile behavior. So with Anthony's perspective now on the record, the interview comes to an end, and detectives move on to Richard's daughter, Kim, the person who found the body. Kim goes on to explain why she immediately suspected her nephew Isaiah,

pointing to his history of violent psychotic episodes, including pulling guns and knives on family members, as well as his white vans covered in dirt, something she says is highly unusual for him. Yo, low-key, somebody says, tell me you don't have heat, like Jim Jones, low-key, so I don't know, like, my furnace down here? Like on this level, like, nigga, I set the thermostat to like 80.

Like, I'm on some Jim Jones shit. Dead ass! Yo, I'm going to have my assistant call, like, the little heating people. It's like, I'll set it to like, I'm like, put it to 78. And the shit was just still stay at like 69. I have like eight zones in here. So like, I feel like I'm paying the fucking HVAC, nigga every like, every fucking quarter. But yeah, no, no, I'm on my Jim Jones right.

Right now I'm on my Jim Jones. It's cold right now. I got to see what the temperature is saying. It's cold down only on this level. Notably, she ends the interview by saying she fears that if Isaiah is ever released, he will... You said, change my filter? You think it's the filter? Like, when I...

So, dead ass, I am going to lie to you. When I turn it up, it works. Like, I hear it turn on. It's just that no heat ain't coming from it. Like, but I know, like, and I was going to like, maybe I don't got to call the people because I'm like, bro, we're basically in summer. It's just going to, it's only getting hotter from here. But like, bro, if I ain't going to lie like tonight, like, what's the temperature outside?

Dead ass. Temperature is 52. So like if I go upstairs, it's like 70 something. But this level is 52, nigger. Or not 52, probably like 60. But still, too cold. Do it again. Wait, wait, you say it's an easy fix?

I got to clean the vents. That might be. though, I ain't changed the filter definitely in like maybe two years. Yeah, I ain't changed the filter in two years. You think it's a filter clog? Bro, but I'm not getting the heat though. Like, it's blowing

air, but it's not hot air. You feel what I'm saying? With the case against Isaiah growing stronger by the minute... It can't be the filter because, like, I could go by the vent and I get air. The air is just not hot. You know what I'm saying?

In it, detectives then shift their attention to two more family members Richard's daughter Chrissy and her partner Floyd unlike everyone else these two family members are about to become Isaiah's best and perhaps only chance of that's a that's not the filter gang I'm gonna change the filter in the morning though I'm much all right I'm gonna change the filter in the morning Fifting flame sensor it's have it blow now what yeah somebody just said some shit all right I'm gonna do some Googles and I'm gonna try to fix it in the morning myself and if it

don't work, I'm just cold the professionals. How detectives view Isaiah's role in all of this. Somebody said a furnace pilot. I think that's what it is. Because I hear it turn on. Like, I hear the fan turn on. Like, I can set it on my phone. I could set, like, the temperature.

And I hear the fan turn on. And when the fan turn on, like, I'll go by, like, the vents and it's blowing out cold air. Nigg I said it to 80. The fuck? How do I light the, could I light the furnace pilot myself? Could I do it?

bro every time they come in here to fix my hvac bro they look around and they'd be like yo bro we need to just do a new install and I'm like how much that cost $10,000 what the fuck nigga when they come in here they just replace a whole AC unit bro like they never come in here with like a simple fix it's hard to kind of start this off

as far as your would have been your the house is 20 years old it was built all these houses in here was built like 20, like 2000 and like three or four. So like usually one of the systems like end up failing because they only supposed to last like 15 years. So whatever. Father right.

Yes. So no, I'm over here talking house shit. I was supposed to watch the fucking crime shit. No, no. So when you buy like like a hot water pump or like these age factory joints, they're supposed to last 15 years. By the time I bought the house, the house is over 15 years old. So it still work, but basically, if it stops working, it basically got the lifespan already.

So you got to buy new stuff. You get what I'm saying? The pilot is on the bottom? Or you might have me blow up my house, huh? You know if I blow up my house? I can't listen to Iceman, right? So I find out that they find my dad buried in back of his shop. I already knew.

I told them, why are you letting that motherfucker stay at my dad's house? You know he's going to kill him. So I know you have questions for me. And then obviously, I have questions for you. And I think they're both geared around the same. When I got there, bro, it was weird. Weird, weird. And I'm like, man, something's not right.

So I left. And that's when I told her and explained it to her. I even knew something was wrong before he had this episode. I say, something's not right with this kid. Something, hey, you guys might want to be. careful sure as soon as I leave soon as we leave yeah all hells break loose explain to me now the background how you knew something weird was going on because he prior to this he was staying with us and I'm not exactly sure

exactly what happened but he starts a conversation with my son he pulls out a pistol from his draws Isaiah okay sets it down I got old back hold of my sister Cassie and I said you know that boy is sick he's beyond therapy he needs can help like he needs to be medicated the the thing like i said the only thing the only thing that that that just bothers me the most that kid does not clean at all he wanted to make an attempt he'll drop something on the floor and just walk away from it and leave it there and usually i'll and usually i'll even ask hey where's richard because i'll say hi to him but for some reason it's just the atmosphere was just i'm like all

something's wrong. So I got on the phone with her and I'm like, oh, he's still wigging. He's wigging whore. And I said, and your sister's tripped in. I said, your sister acting like, she's scared to death. Well, she knows he goes to his episode. Of course he's scared. I'm like, okay. When after we found out what really happened is that she knew what he did. At this point, detectives begin to realize Chrissy and Floyd aren't just angry at Isaiah. they also hold his mother accountable,

and the couple's suspicions align with detectives who still can't explain why Cassie asks them to arrest Isaiah before the body was even discovered. So with all of this in mind, detectives would ask them both point-blank who they believe is truly responsible for Richard's death. So I'm on the same page as you. You guys believe that Isaiah's mom

She had knowledge of it. Richard. She had to have knowledge of it. I mean, that kid wouldn't have clean. That kid wouldn't have done none of that. Because he ran over to the neighbor's house and tried to take their car. Did you guys get that information? Yes.

All right, so he's sporadic. He's not clean. He's trying to, he's running on. He's trying to get off. He's trying to run off. He's trying to do whatever he can do to get out of the situation. He's not thinking about cleaning. He's not thinking about picking this guy up and putting him in the back of a truck or

and burying them and then go down to the valley to go get a tarp and go back up there in her dad's truck and they see it and go back up to the house and wrap them in the tarps and then come back and down to the valley which is across the street from her search's house and bury him when you when you said that you you believe that she knew do you believe that she helped cover the body and cleaned up i can't i can't go that for her i can't go that far because he doesn't have that mentality at the end of this conversation if she's not arrested by then. I don't know what to tell you guys, but she sought, she didn't sought it up like, per se like, oh, Isaiah, I'm just going to do this. She manipulated the situation to her advantage. She knew what her son was capable of. She knew how to get him to that point of manic and psychosis. To detectives, accusations like these don't come lightly, especially between sisters. Additionally, Floyd's description of Isaiah aligns with what detectives already believe, that he's impulsive, messy, and incapable of thinking ahead.

And with the next interview set to be Cassie herself, detectives understand just how much weight this conversation carries, not only for Isaiah's future, but for Cassie's as well. There's a lot they still need to figure out, her unusual behavior outside the sergeant's car, her possible involvement in Richard's murder, and even lingering questions about a potential past homicide, but they know these answers won't come easily. They'll have to approach this carefully, waiting for the right moment to press her.

And as her interview unfolds, watch closely for the moment Cassie begins to fear she's the one being implicated. There's no easy way to start this conversation. Go for it. Okay, sorry. I'll work through it. Okay. So, how has Isaiah's mental health been in the last few? years it sounds like he's been suffering.

Um, to last year for sure. Last year. Um, as far as like his mental health, is it something that he's diagnosed with or just something you guys started noticing? We started noticing, uh, trying to remember everything. Um, October, I was before October of 2023. So back for around, yeah. I believe that's when he started smoking and he didn't want to work, he didn't want to do that type of stuff.

And we kind of were like, well, he's going through it. You know, he's done some, he's done playing football and that's something he's done since he's five years old, you know. Big cold, like life change. Oh yeah, no school, no schedule, no work. clearly Cassie appears emotional, possibly even carrying a sense of guilt as she speaks about her son. Beyond that, nothing about her behavior stands out to detectives as suspicious. But as the interview continues, she begins recounting the same incident at Chrissy's house, where some noticeable differences between her story and the rest of the family starts to emerge.

I knocked on the back door. She doesn't keep her back. She uses it for her front door, but it's just... And I walked in and my son's sitting there little kitchenette table there. There's marijuana all over a big bag, some paraphernalia. But he's sitting there with a knife. And I walk in, I was like, hey son, what's going on? What are you doing here? I said, well, what's going on with you? Is everything okay? And he didn't see my husband. His dad came in behind me. And then he's seen his dad and instantly he's pissed.

What the, are you doing here? But he hadn't gotten up yet. Like, he was still sitting. Where's the knife in perspective? And he's sitting and he has it in his hand. He's not like a dagger like you're doing right now. now, so he's just sitting back in the chair? Yeah, he has it, and he's like, trying, he's like,

what are you doing here? And we're still kind of standing at the door. And when he's seen my husband, he got even more pissed. Who effing called you? What are you doing here? My husband looked at me, and he stood in between us. And he said, get out of here, get out of here, and go call the sheriff now.

While retelling the story, Cassie appears far less disturbed by the incident, despite it involving her own son. She also seems reluctant to discuss the part where he threatened her husband's life. So after a few hours of letting Cassie speak freely, allowing her to settle into the role of the victim, detectives would finally begin to push back, starting with one detail that would clearly catch her off guard. And I don't mean this question in anything, but obviously like at this point I can only see certain things. Did you guys explain all of that about him pulling the knife on Anthony to the deputies? Yeah.

Okay. And dispatch, too. And dispatch, too. She said, don't go back in there. Mm-hmm. But I get why they're angry with me, too. You know, that's my son. And they don't think I did anything to try and help him.

And I think most of it is emotions are going to be high right now. They'll never talk to me again. I already know that. And they've made other threats. But they've also said other things, too. And I don't know if you want to talk about those right now. I think Detective Hunt is following up on that part, but the weird, vague comments about this is potentially not the first time Isaiah has done something.

I didn't hear any of it. I was in the house, but they were really going on. like he's done this before and like tell some of that application but she also said that my husband and i help cover it up and that um they know the name strategies like this happen and people don't find their loved ones with at least we found my dad Clearly, Cassie is distraught, not only at the prospect of being ostracized by her family,

but also at the possibility of being suspected by detectives as Isaiah's accomplice. But there's still one more question detectives need answered, after which they'll have made up their minds about Cassie. When you went to Sergeant Rodriguez and he made the comment that it's him, you need to get him in cuss, you need to get my son in cuffs. Why for you in that moment did you, you know, you knew it was Isaiah? Where was your mindset up? I know I'm asking you to explain like a gut instinct. I was just, just the things he kept saying, like, you guys, why are you pressing me? He's like, he's gone all the time, weeks at a time.

I said, how long has it been since you've seen him? And he's like a day and a half. So you've got kind of every other family member that's here that's worried and everything like that. And his response didn't seem to match your guys. Right. You just know. You feel it is like, then I'm like, he has to get him. He has to go to jail.

You know, I just felt it. And I'm, I'm his mom, you know, and I'm not in denial. And I do think personally you did the right thing. I think you handled everything as best as anyone could, as best a parent could. And I don't think that, me saying that's going to bring you any comfort, but I do believe it. Despite her unusual behavior, the detective appears to take Cassie at her word, believing she may be genuinely innocent. Her family, however, remains unconvinced. After wrapping up this and several other family interviews, investigators find themselves between a rock and a hard place.

So far, there's no concrete evidence that Chrissy or anyone else was involved. In fact, at this stage, there's barely enough to definitively prove Isaiah's involvement. So Isaiah remains in jail, hoping that with the right lawyer and no further discoveries at the house, he might still be able to walk away, Scott Free. One week passes before the case finally sees an update, but it's not the one investigators were hoping for. The autopsy results have just come in. According to the coroner, Richard died at his home from a severe knife wound to the neck that resulted in significant blood loss. He also showed signs of blunt force trauma to the head, along with bruising around both eyes.

His body was then dragged out and later buried in a shallow, tarp-wrapped grave at his own shy. But even with these horrific findings, it says little about who was responsible for Richard's death other than suggesting it was someone deeply disturbed. And with every passing day, both detectives and the family begin to fear that the person or people responsible may never face justice. More than two months pass and the case begins to stall. But then, investigators catch a break. They receive a major update from the jail where Isaiah is being held.

So detectives rush over and meet with one of Isaiah's fellow inmates who has some very interesting information to share. We're both detectives of most like PD. First off, we're not here for your case. Yeah. You're not in trouble or anything like that. This is about a different case that we want her to talk to you about. With Isaiah Thomas, how does he act in there? Crazy.

This is kind of like, I got mine. Yeah. What does he do? He begs on the door and then he starts screaming, blah, blah, blah, all night and he lets his sleep it off. Okay. So all night he's keeping people out? Yeah, yeah, he is.

Does he piss people off that in the arm? Yeah, he does. Okay. What have he heard as far as like his case? Uh, well, that he killed his grandpa, that he's let his throw open. Okay. And then before he killed him, that he asked him if he'd be able to do. He did the God.

Oh, really? Yeah. What did the grandpa say? That he did. That we said. Okay. And then he just did it. Did he say why he killed the grandpa?

Uh, yeah, he was, uh, his grandpa was, uh, he was, uh, his grandpa was, yeah, since he was a little kid. What? Okay. Yeah. When he killed him, was grandpa trying to do something? Uh, nah. I don't know. Yeah, the angered courts them or something.

Yeah. Okay. Sure enough, what the inmate describes aligns with key details from the autopsy, particularly the fatal wound. But even then, investigators can't be certain. The inmate could be telling the truth or saying whatever he thinks will benefit him in hopes of a reduced sentence, but that uncertainty would soon come to an end with an update from Isaiah himself.

Two weeks after speaking with the inmate, in early February, Isaiah pleads guilty to second-degree murder and unlawful disposal of human remains. On March 10th, he is sentenced to a maximum of 20 years in prison, along with mandatory mental health treatment, and no contact orders involving several family members who cooperated with the investigation. As of now, no other family members have been charged with law enforcement ultimately concluding this was a solo actor homicide dismissing any allegations of parental

involvement and as for the alleged prior homicide police have so far found no evidence linking Isaiah to any unsolved cases hmm interesting he only got 20 years only got 20 years

even though they say he don't he don't clean so for like who who did a good job of like cleaning up. I think we think it's the mom. Clearly he ain't going to tell him the mom.

He pled guilty so he got second degrees, so he's only facing 20 years. That's wild. That is wild, chat. Anyway, chat, we literally, let me see a countdown. Ice man,

countdown. Currently, we are, wow, 44 hours. Till I spend. All right, chat, I'm getting off here. I'll give you the update. I'm going to tell you if I'm on my Jim Jones shit

or I'm going to fix this thing tomorrow. Actually, now I'm going to just call it. If it's not a real simple fix, I'm just calling it. Anyway, chat, I'm off here for the night. I'm actually proud that I even stayed up until four, but it is what it is. I will see you guys tomorrow. Hopefully you guys could get up for work

or whatever you got to do tomorrow, but I will see you guys tomorrow. That's our stream before our Iceman stream. So tomorrow we're going to have. have our last stream before the Ice Man stream. All right. All right. Chat,

thank y'all. Hopefully the sneako thing didn't bug you out too much. I think we had a good debate regardless. And I will see you guys tomorrow. Peace. I love you. Thank you for supporting me. Remember my show is going down on the 15th of May.

Iceman will be out. But we're going to be a Gramacy Theater. Please come join me. All right. Chat, love you. Bye.