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Episode Date: July 4, 2025

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The bad boy was doing a reunion tour. I got called in to do the last of the rehearsals, but Adam Blackstone had the contract, so he did the tour. So that was the first time. I met him also in 2021 in the Malibu House doing some work for this off-the-grid album. 22nd, I'm sorry, 22 was the writing camp. You heard about the writing camp, correct? Yes.

Well, that was hundreds, probably close to thousands of, of music producers and artists who were in and out of that, that, that, that, uh, that studio within that time. So what do you do? So, you know, that was another question I've also saw come up. Do you write, do you produce or you, like, what, what's your role in the music creation process? I'm a one-stop shot. Okay.

So you write, produce and engineer. Yeah. Engine, I engineer myself. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I don't go, like, nobody's never paid me to sit in to be. engineering those sessions like that like I don't even marking myself as that that's that's a disgrace it's like having Prince being an engineer you know what I'm saying okay I'll say I played 13

instruments um I'm just fluent inside of fruity loops uh pro tools logic and Ableton you know what I'm saying so I pretty much and I came I'm 39 man I came up I came up um as a musician I started recording when I was 13 so by that time you know we were still recording to tape, you know, stuff like that. So I know the studio, like from in and out, outside of that,

I've built a studio myself, you know what I'm saying, as a carpenter. So it's a one-star shop. So with that been said, doing the writing camp, my role was just so necessary because everything that was missing was me.

You know what I'm saying? And I'm so they was trying to move this album for in so many directions for so long it didn't happen so I came in the picture however the album also 100% changed the minute I got in the picture you know what I'm saying

song selection the whole nine y'all so that's when I met him you know what I'm okay so you met him at a writing camp so that's pretty much just straight business right what about you that took to him to say, hey, I need this guy around.

I need him in the process. Later on, you basically allege that you're working in the studio in his home at Two Star Island, right? Yeah. So I'm very organized when it comes down to files, you know, having specific versions of songs, et cetera. So it was a song on his album that I worked on. What happened was he had somebody else who was dealing directly. with him and this guy just lacked basic administration he would come to the producers bring us certain things like yo puff wants this he wants this wants this

this this this we'll do it and then what happens is he'll be the one planted to him what happened puff asked for a specific version that nobody had that I had you know what I'm saying and I just watched the guy just burn in front of me and I had to pull him to the side like bro you're gonna have to let me you know what saying deal with this because this is about to be over and it was the uh they they they kicked this whole album they kicked us out the studio puff was done with the album you know what I'm saying and I worked with his management and we started working and not we started working on mapleton that's in um that's in Beverly Hills so we just started working on the album at that rate

so it was a song the Justin Bieber song that Puff wanted to crack. He wanted to feel more like Can't Help It by Michael Jackson, et cetera. I did five versions to that song. And what happened was Puff came into the studio. Management had me to hit play on the record. I hit play on the record. He danced for like two hours on the flow.

Puff is just dancing. He's dancing. Finally cracked the code. Nobody could crack the code in terms of what he was asking for at that specific time. And so I cracked it cold Not to cut you up Mean being knowledgeable of how Puff has been Everybody knows

No Torres Zahn right rhymes aren't right I just write checks But he also like when it comes to production He's been known for the hit makers You know He has an ear for talented producers Who could kind of create sonically What he needs

Did you feel like he saw that and you like Hey listen Little Rock could get what I need And like these other guys Who if I tell them they can't do nothing but play the song they can't really just change it on the fly they're not my type of you know people I would want to work with

well yeah it was that it was also you know without bashing anybody like I ran into some pretty cool people and I would rather keep the relationship good but what it was is it was something attached to the two track with the vocals that was stopping

um everyone from cracking the cold So I, early on, started dealing with AI. So I was able to- Really? What year is this? I started dealing with AI probably in 2020, 2020, I was kind of like fucking with it, but on the low, I hadn't really figured it out.

Yeah, yeah, okay. In 2022, I was able to successfully remove the instrumentation from Justin Bieber's vocals. And then at that rate, I went in and started fresh and that's what made him start dancing and so with that being said

he then he was like yo put me in the studio with this guy at that rate Puff realized that first of all it's a lot happened before that you know what I'm saying

like Torrey Lane's for example there's a song that that we were sampling from Aaliyah and it's not out by the way but we were working working on that song and Puff is like,

yo, can you put a bridge on it? And then he, like, do you know what? He asked me say, do you know what a bridge is? Now, I mean, you may not know, but any musician that's listening to this knows that I don't want to call myself a musical genius, but I have a very, very heavy musical background. So I'm well aware of that.

I know music theory, I know song, structure. Are you classically trained, either to either play the piano or at least, you know, the theory behind music, even when it goes to, like, engineering, right? Yeah, so he was figuring me out just to kind of see. And pretty much everything that he put in front of me, I delivered. You know what I'm saying? And so, and just to be quite honest, you know, I might get a little last, I don't care.

But a lot of people in those rooms were, yes, man, I was pretty much the only person, like, having my own opinion. You know what I'm saying? fighting for my own rights. When everybody's saying they want to do this, you know what I'm saying? I had people come in and tell me that my versions of a song was so dope and they danced to,

the man to puff come in, they vote the other way. You know what I'm saying? So the thing is, he's a smart guy. He was able to sense that, and I'm feeling like, you know, as time go by, he for sure had me in there

to just to have a different traction from the whole guy's, a different approach, and also he knew that I was very, very neat, and I delivered. Okay, so you're working on music. It looks like, you know, he's realizing your talent, but it feels like there's starting to be some severe red flags. And this is how I interpreted it, and I went through the lawsuit, so you have to correct me about the timing.

When do you feel like now you're working with him with music, but then either illicit drugs or other things, coming into play or did the non-payment start first? Because you kind of alleged both things that you felt you were owed, undercredited, and then you also felt that you were around this entirely wild lifestyle that for you blurred the lines of consensual and non-consensual, right? Am I paraphrasing right or no? Listen, without talking specifically about an ongoing case, I'll just say this.

this type of things happen a lot in the music industry we're in the studio there's drugs we're in studio somebody's in the back bathroom doing something together you know what I'm saying somebody walk in as guns etc this is just and that's a normal day you know what I'm saying now a lot of things that I've mentioned inside of my lawsuit is not normal you know what I'm saying but I don't really want to focus this meeting about my case in particular because it's still active. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we don't have to get necessarily into the case. But there are certain allegations that I think are the foundation and kind of integral to Ditty being indicted.

And obviously we saw the verdict. So we're going to touch on those. We're not going to get too much into everything that you're alleging that you're trying to get paid for, right? um well let me ask this question and hopefully you could ask this question you filed a civil suit this is a common question that we constantly hear now why if some of these things were happening that you felt uncomfortable with why never alert authorities and why never you know you're kind of a whistleblower in terms of the civil suit why not go to the police again these are if that's the case, I'm going to the police on a daily basis in terms of some of the things that are happening inside of the studio.

All right. However, I've taken a lot of, I've taken a lot of hits over the years from people and I just keep walking. I'm a strong person. And this industry is just so, it's so poison. And the reality is, if people are not fucking you over backwards, excuse my French, you know what I'm saying? they don't want to work with you. However, I had enough, you know what I'm saying? And that was a last string between Puff and I that was just like, okay, this is it.

You know what I'm saying? My kids got it. Describe the moment or the instance or incident where, you know, again, a working relationship. I know you're being a little vague about it, but you're saying these things are happening, but you're kind of talking it up to it. It's kind of somewhat regular if you're working in the studio. What becomes the last straw that you're like, I can't rock with this guy anymore.

I got to walk away. What was that? Well, again, the last straw was, you know, when it came down to pretty much taking care of my business and saying, I'm not going to let you guys steal my publishing and everything, which, you know what I'm saying, in the long run is millions. I touched down them every song on that album. You know what I'm saying?

At that rate, the bullet tactics started. And the last straw, they flipped somebody on my team. I'm not going to say who it is. This was a love album, right? Love album? Yeah, so they flipped somebody on my team. And then they also threatened my kids. They threatened me.

You know what I'm saying? At this rate, it was over. It's like I went to every attorney, just trying to handle it from a business standpoint. You know what I'm saying? And it's... Without, and I don't know if you could be honest about that. How much did they take all your publishing?

How much did you receive as compensation versus how much were you either expecting or verbally had agreed with them that you should have got? I received nothing towards the production. if anything I got reimbursements back for money spent all money I was getting really lose over here for example at the time I was with music soul child and let's just say on the Saturday I'm getting ready to go out with music but on Friday before Puff was like no I need you I need you stay around I'm about to miss this right here if you guys

are going to hold me back and I need to get that so I received some sort of payments in terms of reimbursement for that or if I was there ordered an Uber Eats or picked up a rental car a hotel expense, something like that. But nothing actually towards the production aspect and they were trying to give me zero publishing. Zero. You know what I'm saying?

Stevie J. spoke about that and he claimed that your contribution to the album was none of what you allege in the indictment or not indictment, the civil lawsuit and basically said you were almost like a glorified engineer that's now trying to take more than enough credit for work that was really done in the studio. You've never really responded to that, but what is your response to Stevie J saying that, you know, you're trying to act like you're a musical maestro, but you know, you just, you just equalize a couple of tracks and that's it.

It's so much I want to say. I don't even know what a star, bro. Like he just needs to go find him another TV show, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like anybody that knows me, bro, knows that that's not true. And the sad part is I really rocked with him. You know what I'm saying?

I thought he was a cool dude, man. We spent, we broke bread together too many times. And while he's talking like that, Stevie, like before Puff, like Stevie would call me in to help finish a record or do something. Because his tension span in the studio is, it's, it's all over the place. You can't get nothing done with Steve. It sounds like a smooth jazz record.

You know what I'm saying? And that... So you were vehemently challenging his idea that you actually had valuable input beyond just pressing a few buttons to engineer. You were producing these records. You were helping these records. Because he was minimizing your contributions,

claiming that you were butt hurt about maybe some payments, but now you're over-exaggerating your input on the entire project. Man, he need to cool it out. He's a victim, too. You know what I'm saying? He'd probably been a victim since the 90s. Steve, you've gone ahead, bro. Tell you a story.

You know what I'm saying? What do you mean a victim? Victim of what? Like, he got his published and take it? Everything. Anything you could think of. You know what I'm saying? He's a victim, too.

And he just needs to stand up and rock it and own it. You know what I'm saying? Reality is we was in those rooms. Stevie also felt some type of way because I'd be the one over that finishing records. He's just sitting on the side and Puff is like really rocking with me. You know what I'm saying? So Stevie J just sitting on the couch. Like I thought he was the musical guy.

No? One time? I thought he was the musical guy. Again, he's a musical guy. He's just not me. Mm. Okay. He's just not me.

You know what I'm saying? Okay. So you were running the show. He's sitting over the side just like he got HD. ADHD. He's looking left, looking right. He can't, he don't know how to calm down. He on the side, just agree with everything with Puff's in. He's a yes man. He's a yes man, period. Oh, my God. He's one of the yes man. And he's always going to like that.

Okay. We did hear that he used to, like, be involved in production. I thought that's why Puff kind of, like, got back with him. But you're basically saying he's washed up at this point. You were doing work. Look, I don't want to cause of smoke with him. You know what I'm saying? The man had a lot of you know what I'm saying? He didn't have a lot of things happened to him in the last couple of years he lost his father

and I'm really trying to respect that bro, don't make me go that, you know what I'm saying? But we have to go there because you did put in a lawsuit that you saw a videotape of him getting fucked. And he declined it.

No, no, no. So wait, did you actually see a video that depicted a man that looked like StevieJ in a compromise and sexual position with another man? Listen, again, we're not going to talk too much about the case, but yes,

I seen that. You seen that? And it was Stevie J. Steve E.J. Jesus. Yeah. I used to watch a little of hip-hop, man. That saddens me. Wow. So, you know, again, I'm not going to say that back in the 90s that he probably

wasn't that guy, but if you're not practicing your chops and consistently, you know, recording and being active in a studio, you can lose that touch. You know what I'm saying? he lost that touch but for me

I still got respect for like my OGs and I feel like I was just trying to help him You know what I'm saying We gotta keep it real on him You're on big ass show man That nigga's watch in the studio

That's what you're saying You watch Like he used to be the guy He was in the studio On the bench It's like the starter On the bench watching the young and Really chef it up

Come on now Come on you talk about And the reality is bro Like You know Why he's over here trying to film and do this, do this. We're working, bro. We're in the studio. Okay. Do you feel like he had a sense of jealousy for you?

100%. 100%. I couldn't really put my finger on it then. Yeah. But, you know, since I filed a lawsuit and just to see him stepping up to TMZ trying to get a check here, step up over here, the dialogue, try to get a check, and just just ringing on my name. It's just like, okay, bro. You feel me? I think if you only talked about his studio stuff, no. But the idea that I'm going to be honest with you, I read your lawsuit and I didn't know there was that many gay people in hip-hop. Like, I was like, Stevie J. Gay?

Oh, shit. I thought you made. It's a lot that I haven't put in that lawsuit. You got more? T? More. Way more. And the thing is, bro, I'm not trying to blow the whole world up.

I'm not trying to blow the whole world up. We learned a lot from the actual criminal case. You got a lot. tell us all now. This thing, Stevie J inserted himself into my business. How? Well, when I first went public about Puff, he was one of the first on the post, trying to down play me.

And it's like, it was weird because I'm really looking at him like, yo, you're my brother, bro. But at that time, didn't you make allegations about him in the lawsuit? No, the lawsuit hadn't even be. been foul yet. Oh, okay, okay. Wow. Okay.

So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. If that's the case, you know what I'm saying? You, you're not sealed it from, from this either. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's just what it is. So I'm not trying to, like, blow up the whole industry for whatever it got going on, bro.

I'm just really just trying to go about my life. Yeah. You feel? You throw smoke at me. Then, you know what I'm saying? You know what it is? Now, um, Stevie J, who, by the way,

interestingly, I never saw him show up to court. I saw you show up to court. Why did you show up to the Diti trial? Let's bring that question later. I do want to answer that, though. Okay. And I'm just going over the lawsuit. I do have it here.

I hear about, like, you were really tapped in, and I could see why the feds would read this and be like, you know, this guy is giving us so much details. It definitely makes sense that he's putting together a pitcher. You mentioned certain people that's the first time I heard their name. never heard the name Christina Coram before you. You mentioned a lot of people's name. What was your working relationship with everybody besides Diddy?

Because it felt at a point you were damn near living there, right? Like you were kind of like you're working at a studio, but sometimes you stay at the crib where maybe you go down the street to a hotel, but you're there a lot, right? How often were you there? And what was the relationship either with Diddy or who were the other people you were communicating with frequently? Yeah, well, I was definitely there. my choice is never to

live at somebody else's house I still had my own place It's just He required so much of my time That I couldn't go home Even when You know He was working at his house

In my state, in my city You know what I'm saying? I'm over there So he flew me out For example The first time I was flown out Was in November of of, uh, of, uh,

20, so I had to spend Christmas, I had to spend Thanksgiving, I had to spend New Year's with them, you know what I'm saying, Easter and all these things. In fact, I was the one who prayed over dinner for, for, um,

for Thanksgiving, you know what I'm saying? So you were at Thanksgiving dinner with Diddy and his family? Yeah. Really? Was, okay, which family were talking about the kids there? We were talking about the just baby mamas. We're talking about friends. Dana was there.

Sarah was there Young Miami was there KK was there All the assistance was there The PR was there His stylist was there You know I'm saying So wait so you were around

Young Miami like that Yes This is end of 2022 This is end of 22 Um Closer to 2024 Would you describe the

atmosphere around that time, whether it was you, KK, again, obviously there is a common goal of work, but is the atmosphere more like, oh, we're coworkers, or this is kind of like a family and friends type of situation in terms of everybody's a little bit close, everybody's cool with each other, everybody is, you know, not just, oh, we're coworkers. And Diddy is the, you know, since we're all working for Diddy, we're only just assisting him or if y'all are having dinner, I got to imagine that there's some closeness among everyone, right? Man, speaking of that, the first dinner again was Thanksgiving. It was quite weird to me because I'm sitting there,

and you have the stylist's next to me, the publicist is next to me. Is the stylist Deonté Nash or no? No, I forgot her name. Okay, okay. I forgot her name. I've only seen her maybe three or four times, but that was the first time. she's like an older ladies older white lady slim

I can't remember her name but I'll get that to you I'm sure John didn't put that on my left if you can so you know I'm just trying to everybody's having conversations you know I'm sort of

introvert in a new setting with a lot of you know what I'm saying just random different people so well I'm done eating I just said a prayer he introduced me as this new production partner, make sure every, and I have the video

also of that night, you know what I'm saying, from the cameras. By the way, why did you have so many videos? You had a lot of videos. I think that's why the feds were very interested in it. Why was so many of those moments captured on video? Did you take it because you're like these niggas are weird?

Or did you take it just in the heat of the moment documenting nonchalon fun moments? Or was it at the direction of Diddy, who was saying, record everything. Yeah. So it was Diddy. So, um, which actually brought us even more close in terms of a working relationship. Well, I really like how this guy moved. As a producer, being in the studio, I hate when people come on the side and mom hum me some melodies or sing a line right off the top

and then they don't have it. They forget it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And he's that type of person too. What happens is you miss it. Now we're like, yo, say it again. It's not. We know that's not it because we know the feeling. So he demanded, yo, I need y'all to be recording and captioned moments. He did this with the camera guys as well. You know what I'm saying? Everything should be recording and captured. So, you know, he's very stickler about people like just randomly on their phones and all that.

But what happened was he started realizing every time I picked up with his phone, he was talking. I was writing down the notes everything he said so I can deliver. or if not writing down the notes, the voice notes is on. If not that, the camera's on. Whatever is, it's the fastest that I can get to at that time to capture whatever moment was necessary. That's what we did. And then after I'm done, I was sending it to him or send it to the camera guys. We'll package that up to maybe an IG post or something like that.

You know what I'm saying? So at that rate, I'm just capturing everything. And the purpose wasn't to set anybody up. It's to make sure that we're capturing, you know, footage, whether it be for social media or for the album. Sometimes he may say something. He's like, yo, take that what I just said and drop that in the bridge of this song right here when I'm talking. There's a lot of talking throughout that album. If you go back and listen to the off the grid.

Yeah. So this is just how we caption. This is per his request. Okay. So back to that moment, you're recording this. In fact, sometimes he would go take me. my phone and hit record. Really? So, so, so, so back to that Thanksgiving moment. So you're recording and what feels

odd to you? One more time? When you're recording during that Thanksgiving moment, did you say something was a little bit off? So, um, so I'm not recording at this moment. I'm sitting down, you know, we just got this eating, said prayer, everything like that. And so some time has went by. And I'm just like trying to just, hey, what's your name? what's your name and just have a regular conversation and I realized everybody was kind of quiet the only person was really talking was him you know what I'm saying with his kids you know

it's not like an open flow like everybody listened to me he's just casual conversation but everybody's quiet it was then that I realized a lot of people are really quiet because everybody's on a non-disclosure agreement you know what I'm saying or so I'm sorry Were you at that time? No. Okay. Okay. I think we don't even do NDAs, but I still move around in the business like I have an NDA.

And most of people who've worked with me noticed that I'm not like never going, yo, I was in studio with such, such, and not seen this, never that guy. You know what I'm saying? I always move. I see stuff and I act like I just don't see it. Even there, you know what I'm saying? I've seen a lot, turn my head. And often played a humble role.

The problem is some people, you know, explore that and try to take advantage of the humble road and like it's a weakness and it's a rude awakening later. You know what I'm saying? So at that rate, and I'll just give you a little bit more, but I still feel like we're toting that line of talking about certain facts that I really don't want to talk about. But, you know what I'm saying? I decided to then leave. let me go to the studio which is across you know what I'm saying

from in the gas house which is my comfortable space and just continue to work on the album we're in Miami now you know what I'm saying so I go over there 10 minutes later

Puff comes over with the camera crew Young Miami comes over and from here you can read the you can read the lawsuit because then it talks about you know Puff laying out

a couple of lines on the table and asking me if I had a hundred dollar bill etc and I don't see the lines at the time okay so I have it here um this whole young Miami incident which happens on Thanksgiving Day 22 before I get to and again you know we're not going to get too much into it but we do want to have an understanding that these allegations you're standing behind that's number one right like you're not saying you know because some people might be like is this nigga telling the truth did he just throw out a bunch of shit did he make some stuff up we don't got to get into everything,

but I need to make sure you're affirming that that's what you are still saying. It's time to double down, bro. Okay, okay. So everything that I said is true. It's 100% accurate. I'm not walking back on anything. Okay.

Let me ask you this question, and this question comes from after his trial. So the verdict that came down for Diddy, basically if we interpret it in a layman's terms, the jury believes that, hey, listen, a lot of you people weren't coerced. You guys willingly wanted to do this. When I read your lawsuit, some people, and me and myself, I said, well, you know,

you described incidents where you felt you may have gotten drugged and you woke up in a bed next to beautiful women and you're like, what the hell happened? And some people might be like, niggas, stop playing, nigga. You were down with the fun. You knew what this was. You were a producer. You know, this was the production fun party house. Yeah, all take drugs.

what would you say for the people who say Little Rod, you know you was with all that shit too I'll just tell them to just wait My trial is coming next Hmm Just wait So you say you've never asked to Take a drug, try a drug

You never asked to be in any of these situations That could be sexual in nature I've listened I've never even been a weed smoker Hmm I'm saying Sipping like you that's my thing.

You know what I'm saying? And everybody has the thing. I don't, you know what I'm saying? I ain't trying to knock what somebody else is doing. But that's not my thing, bro. I don't,

I'm not a drug addict. You know what I'm saying? I've smoked weed before. It's still not, I don't like the feeling. It's like I can have one or two puffs and it's like I can't really function. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm not a weed smoking. You're not going to catch me. You might catch me having a cigar. You know what I'm saying? It's something like that. But as far in the back doing cocaine and any old type of hard two-seasoning, that's not my thing. You know what I'm saying? Did you feel forced?

Did you feel Did he was basically saying, hey, listen, yo, Playboy, we're all doing this shit, man? Come on. Get down with a get-down. You know him, bro. He's a very, very influential guy, bro. You know what I'm saying? And that's just where we're at. And now we told him a little too much on the civil suit that I'm saying,

wait for trial. You know what I'm saying? I can't control what goes on in the courtroom that he just had. You know what I'm saying? True. Me and my team has so many questions that we're asking amongst ourselves when it comes down to that. There's a lot of evidence that wasn't brought in the courtroom. I specifically know.

You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of people. Let me ask this question. You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to ask you that question is coming up. But again, about the incident, I won't ask you about the incident, but I want to ask you in what you think other people thought. So when I read that incident about that that happened the night of Thanksgiving, I'll reiterate. You don't have to comment on it.

He alleges that, you know, they basically, they kind of get, the people get lit. And young Miami cousin basically approaches you in a sexual way. And in a sexual way, start giving you fallatio something you had not requested or even wanted to participate. and despite your rejection, things happen. Now, what I wanted to ask you, not about that incident, but about everybody's state of mind, because it's also like within the trial we just seen, we're wondering why nobody stopped it.

Why do you think young Miami herself didn't be like, she brought her cousin there and be like, hey, cousin, you're a little bit out of it right now. Chill, let's go back here. Diddy, who, if you said you left the main room, to go to the studio to work and he comes over there obviously I would believe to work

why didn't he say yo she's distracting from what we're here for yo come on y'all get out of here with that bullshit why do you think no one stepped in and intervened well because he he set it up and I didn't know that at the time you think he set it up to watch you I think

it's so much bro I'm gonna try to break this hell you know what I'm so much bro all right so first of all um this i don't even know her name you know what i'm saying yeah she first came in i was just saying hello she didn't even really want to speak she the way she came off as if my hello was trying to like yeah but i'm just really saying hi what people don't understand is i typically don't mix business with pleasure Okay.

And I have a certain level of respect and morals that my family has taught me. For example, I'm not trying to have sex in another man's house. Ooh. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to have sex in another man's property whether there's a studio. I'm a grown man. That's respect. That's respect.

I like that. That's respect. I can take it around the corner to my hotel. We can get it. I can go to my house. That's just how I am. So when this happened Puff, what happened was this was at the end of the night.

Puff took you know Miami and went to the main house. But what happened was she was sitting there that whole night watching. So she observes like, damn, okay, he's not a weak one in his room. He's sitting in a chair. Puff is asking for certain things he's doing that. Well, he's telling Puff what to do. We're going back and we're talking about that house. So she came to a third wheel and then she said, I got to start choosing.

She sees you moving and moving. You here? You there? You there. And then she's like, oh, he's kind of one of them guys. He is important. She's trying to get on. She's see her cousin over there.

It's like the third. Okay, Ben. Now, but here's another thing that's left out. Yeah. Maybe it's not left out. But what happened was at this rate, I started talking to somebody else. Really wasn't trying to get into nothing, but we was viving cool. I got her numbers.

You were talking to another woman at this point. Yeah. So the honeys were in the building. Yeah. Okay. So at that rate, I'm like, all right, cool, maybe I'll text her a couple of days later when we're gone and maybe take it out to lunch. You know what I'm saying? We can go from there.

And so what happened was when Puff left with Young Miami to go in the house, I went in the bathroom. Meanwhile, there's hookah, there's drinks. Obviously, there's cocaine because Puff went in there a couple of times. Now, Young Miami said she never did no cocaine, brother. I'm going to be honest with you. I ain't trying to go on. I'm not trying to pick the line. I said what I said and I'm moving.

You know what I'm saying? It's a kid. No, she said she do Tusi. Tussi. Well, it's like the same thing, ain't it? I don't know. I don't take drugs, brother. I'll just drink.

I don't know what's going on. Basically, they were playing with their nose. They'll play with their nose. That's all you know. They're playing with their nose up in there. All right, man. Hold on. So as soon as Puff leaves,

the cousin just zeros in on your ass. Like, okay. Not immediately. Not immediately. Yeah. So I go into the bathroom, so, you know, I got to pee. Yeah. Now, Puff door, I don't know why he don't have a lock on his door.

No locked doors, brother. No locked doors. But every other door in the house has a lock. This specific one, don't have a lock. It's weird. Okay. So much about that story I can talk about. Yeah, yeah.

You knicker bumped in on me one time while I was taking a shit. Who did it? Huh? Who puff, walked in while you taking a shit? Yeah, they're taking a sit. But this is like one. months down the line. Wait, wait.

Did he leave or did he just kind of sit there and watch type of shit? We don't know. I got these questions. Hey, this isn't the lawsuit. This is exclusive. What happened? I know you looked at him like, you don't smell that blood? Like, come on.

Come on. Okay, okay. All right. Go ahead. Look, man. Listen, listen, listen. So, so I peeed. I wash my hands.

I grab a hand towel. And I'm getting ready to come out. I open the door as I'm trying to go out I can't even get out. She's pushing me back in. So it's like that scene on Friday after next when when that big nigga and Kat Williams is in there. And it's like,

and I'm also trying to be careful because you know what I'm saying? I don't want to be said as I push the warmer or anything, you know what I mean? And especially his woman's cousin. Yeah, it's like, bro, let's take a step back. Yeah. I understand that I felt.

at the time that this album was going to be a game changer album. So I'm not going to let some girl on vagina or anything else getting in the way of what I deem to be real success.

Hold on though. How bad was she though? She looked like you on Miami? Keep it up being. BBL? She's like maybe two or three points under her. You know what I'm saying? But she looked good though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it was another situation, you smash it.

Like if you're not in the work capacity, you go to the club. Yeah. Okay. If we had been anywhere that's not a work scene, yeah, yeah, she'd have had a chance. But that's probably what made her more aggressive over me because I was so passive with it.

Sometimes, you know, the girls like that when you just like. Nanschalant, like you're not on her body. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I ain't on her. I ain't really paying her no attention no more. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And so she pushes me in the bathroom. I'm like, like my chest, like,

me and hold the door and clothes. I'm like, oh, wait a minute. So I'm thinking maybe she wants to talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah. First thing she do is sit down on the toilet, though. She peeing.

I'm like, oh, this is crazy. So she doesn't even know. That's a turnoff to me. I'm sorry. I know couples sometimes do that thing. I like my own space. I want you to have your own space. She's taking a full on piss.

Yeah, she's taking a full on piss. So I'm trying to now still walk out. She pushed me again, pull my pants down. And, you know, she's already. You know what I'm saying? She's sitting down so she is right there. That's enough, bro. We're not going to talk about it anymore.

Damn. Did you tell Puff or Young Miami like, yo, your cousin Wylan? No. So what did happen was I was able to get out the bathroom. I sat on the couch and you had people like the fours, one of the engineers, and like maybe one or two more other guys who, witness her on the couch like how I'm sitting on the couch

was trying to undress me and fuck me right then in the couch they were actually laughing you know what wait wait wait a minute back run that back you said what she was trying to fuck me on the couch in front of the guys do you think it's like whatever weird drugs that

did he had there that make people just extra horny or do you think these are just deviance like like I ain't going to lie like a check I think they all have they all know what they're doing. I think they all are swinging in some type of way. You know what I'm saying? All bisexual

and everybody knows it's like it's an unspoken thing. I didn't realize until after so many times that what happened was Diddy was trying to set me up not in a necessary in a bad way. For example, I believe that Diddy wanted me to be

with Dana Train. And this is... Wait, what? Yeah, this is, this is me feeling like recently, like, after everything connected. Wait, you and me, did a day of Tran, though. You never met her. Yeah. On the, on the Yombs.

Stop it, bro. Stop it. Bro. I read the law, so I ain't hear her name in it. Stop my kids, bro. I swear to God. You think he was trying to get you to fuck his new baby moms. Oh, well, listen.

Ronnie Jones, stop playing with me, bro. Bro, on the yacht, bro, my bedroom was right next to hers. Yeah, but that's his team. That's his wifey. Oh He got all types of male Niggas fucking all his girlfriends Ain't nobody was fucking no Dana Tran

Stop it bro You gotta stop it bro You gotta stop it bro You know They said that only happened To Daphne Joy And Cassie

Yo you know You know They would have happened To young Miami But she had dead County chick She had a dead county chick We gotta keep me

I'm not saying Listen I'm not saying That somebody else I gotta pour some Some of my patrol For this Hold on that What's that?

That's that patrol. You have to read your lawsuit. I started thinking they got that GHB up in a puffy juice, so I couldn't even rock with the sarah today. I had to go with the, yeah, I'm over that. All right,

so you're telling me you've been on the yacht. You've been on the yacht. You've been on the yacht. Your room on the yacht next to Dana Tran, and you think that he had sex workers running trains on her. You don't think that, no, right? I don't think that sex workers would run a train.

I don't think that she was touched by anybody. I don't know. But you said you think he was trying to say you up with her. Why? That's his type. That's his type. Why would he want you to fuck her? That's his type.

What's this? I've never seen them kiss together. I've never seen them go up in the room together. Every night at two star, he went up with whoever he was with or he slept alone. She slept at one star. And I remember one day when I looked at that house, I'm like, yo, that's a nice house. He said, yeah, it could be yours one day. You know what I'm saying?

But then I start paying attention. Like, and, you know. Wait, why would he say that to you? I don't know, but listen, here's some things that I felt like that was weird sometimes. Now, granted, she's a very, very beautiful woman. She is my type. All right, but again, I don't mix business with pleasures. And I've, younger me made some mistakes.

I would never mess with another man's woman. You know what I'm? And so with that being said, I thought it was weird sometimes. I'll be sitting, like I was on a yacht playing the piano, right? And then what she did was she came and sat in front of me with the baby, but she put a ring camera in front of her and started taking pictures. And then it's me in the background. Wait, hold on.

She had the baby already? Yeah, she had the baby already. All right, she wasn't trying to fuck you, bro. You're telling me she has ditty's baby and trying to fuck you. Come on, bro. Listen, I'm not telling you that she was trying to fuck me. But the energy, okay. You're saying the energy felt a little bit iffy.

Yeah. And now what I'm saying is. after seeing, I think he was trying to, he may have considered me, his production partner with somebody on the side with her. You know what I'm saying? I really don't want to bring in the baby. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to talk about this.

I want to leave the kids out of this. You fucked him, bro? No, I didn't fuck her. I didn't do none of that. But I'm just saying, like, Puff is a marketing genius. You know what I'm saying? everything he does is marketing. Love records.

He changed his name. Sean Love Jones. He had a baby. Love Sean Jones. John, I'm sorry, he's working on the album, the old off-the-grid love album. You know what I'm saying? Everything was a marketing thing.

And I just really feel like he didn't really have a baby because he was in love. You know what I'm saying? That wasn't a situation. Week pull-out game type shit. I'm sorry? He had a weak pull-out game type shit. What a moment.

Everybody have it. Oh, bro. That was a marketing thing, bro. You think he had a baby for marketing thing? I know he had a baby. It was a marketing thing, bro. Just look at the timeline. Go back through your homework.

Did he ever treat Dana Tran like how he treated Young Miami? You barely see Dana Train and him together at all. You know what I'm saying? She's over there just with the baby. And that's just that. When we move around, she got her own room over there somewhere. Off to the side by herself. And that's what it is, bro.

Mm. Hey, that's what it is. When Diddy said to you, yo, this, yo, that could be your house one day.

Is that what you meant when you included in the lawsuit that he had offered you the house? That was just one time. So he consistently was saying that you could have potential to the house. Yeah,

he was promoting that house over that. Yep. So that's what I'm like, what he said in other times? That's what I'm like stepping back. And looking at what I already have and what I already know and then seeing was what I didn't know. I'm like, oh, man, he was also probably trying to groom me to be over there. You know what I'm saying?

And find a specific man for her. And it's probably how he can control, continue to control everything. You know what I'm saying? Again, this is not. This is speculation. It's fine. We can say. So you're thinking that Did he in his mind,

he's down to just have somebody he kind of trust go fuck her and be her companion over there but he knows it's going to keep her in a certain way close enough to him but also loyal to him that he ain't got nothing to worry about and he was potentially looking at you right hey um as i'm going down to the lawsuit it said that one day you woke up naked dizzy and confused you was You're a lawsuit, bro. Huh? Y'all was a lawsuit.

No, no, hold on. I got it because this part, this sound like, this sound like y'all were having a two man. I haven't go to a lot of you, brother. It said you woke up, it was two chicks and did he in the bed. It was you, a girl, and he had a girl. Like y'all was doing tag team switch a rule. Come on, brother.

Like, that don't seem like, brother, that don't seem like, that don't seem like in certain situations where nobody is inebriated. They're making sound decisions. That might be a lit night. I know some people that be doing that. That's a two man right there. That's a two man. That's a two man.

You know that. Two men at two star island. Stop playing. The two men at two star island. What was that was that a regular thing? Was things like that a regular thing? And how would you process those sexual encounters? How would you process it like the day?

Because you have to go to work. Again. Drow. Mm. But you're saying that did happen, though, right? Everything that I said that's inside of that lawsuit happened, bro. I do have one question. And you can say no comment to, but I got to ask it.

Because when I read the lawsuit, I did say this. In the lawsuit, and by the way, everything was vetted by your lawyer, Tyrone Blackburn, right? I'm sorry, what I'm saying? Everything in the lawsuit was vetted by Tyrone Blackburn, right? Right. You took pictures of the women lain there, and I said, that's like that's what girls would do or if a guy was doing it that's to tell you your niggas like yo i was fucking these bad bitches last night if you were if those were non-consensual

moments for you why did you take those pictures bro if you're waking up and again this is this is lawsuit bro no no i'm not i'm not i'm just trying to get you it's not even about we don't got told about the actual evidence i'm talking about it's a man thing i want to i want to understand We can't keep toting that line, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'll just tell you, let's remove from that situation. If you were in a situation and then all of a sudden, you know, all you remember, you were here, but now you're here and all this is surrounding, you may capture that moment just so you don't forget this,

because you may end up here too and forget that as well. You know what I'm saying? Okay, okay. So you were just memorializing it. You were just documented. I'm not saying I am. I'm just telling you, if it was you, you have to put yourself in somebody's shoes, bro. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? And I know how extravagant all these things sound and law so, but you got to also understand like, bro, these are the type of actions when you're working for somebody who's essentially a gatekeeper in a music industry, bro. Did you feel scared? I'm sorry? Did you feel scared to speak up at that time because, you know, you never went to the police? Oh, you know, what we're not talking about is I had to relocate.

I haven't used a phone since before I filed a lawsuit. And if I went places I had to take security, we're not talking about my kids being threatened, my baby mom being followed, my management being followed. Wait, is this after the lawsuit's been followed? Yeah. Is this before Did he was incarcerated or after? It's no way. Still after my manager says that, you know, sometimes he comes out of his ties flat

or people like follow him the whole nine yards. And so I'm hard to find because I just went ghosts. I didn't talk to nobody and I just went ghosts. You know what I'm saying? And during that time, I couldn't even see my kids. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so we're not talking about that.

We're not talking about the fact that it took four, it took four a therapist just to bring me to, we're laughing about this right now. You know what I'm saying? And the truth is some of the stuff we're like, the reason why it's probably easy for me to laugh about some of this right now is because my therapist. you know, have been making me focus on only positive things not to think about negative told me to stop, you know, stop thinking or rehashing all those things that happened or anything with the case or stop watching social media, try to stay off it as much. I'm really not on it as much and active as I used to be. You know what I'm saying?

And all these things because there were times where I was ready to, I was ready to check out. You know what I'm saying? I was ready to check out, bro. Like, I'm gonna create a person. What's the scar from here? That's from a motorcycle accident. Okay. I thought Puff did it because it seemed like,

no, I'm not even giving a joke. Wait, are you genuinely afraid of Puff either now or back then? I've seen many people who are victims. They wrote letters to try to keep them in jail. Be honest, while you're working there, are you kind of like walking on pins and needles? like, yo, I'm not trying to piss this motherfucker off. I'm watching him. You mentioned that

you hear about other incidents. You don't want to like obviously you want to keep a job, but you don't want to get hurt. Were you scared of Sean P. Diddy Combs? Absolutely. Still are. Really? Very, very much.

I've written songs about him and you would think that I'm not scared, but the reality is I am. And I just live by speak those things as if they were let the weeks say I'm strong you know I'm saying type of shit but the reality is he's a powerful guy bro you know I'm saying fuck the money take that away he's experienced and and and and and

and connected with so many people who know somebody who knows this and he's been doing this shit for over three decades bro he's a powerful guy bro how the hell did he flip somebody on my team you see what I'm saying did you did you know Like even watching everything that's happening now, are you worried that, you know, he didn't get found guilty of Rico? By the way, I believe you were the first person who alleged a civil racketeer in enterprise. But he wasn't convicted of that. Essentially, he could be out in a year or two. Is that the reason why you even went to rehab?

Because you were scared. I wonder why did you go to rehab? Yeah, it. bro there was too many nights too many dreams that i would be looking right out that back window or that back door i just felt like and and you know i probably shouldn't say i just felt like for him was out there with a sniper really you know what i'm saying yeah who's for him you got to because he didn't show up to trial who's for him break it down for us showed up the last three four days. He did show him. Oh yeah, man, go look at it. He's a black guy walking

him, walking around on out like it was nothing. I'm like, yo, the level of, of confidence is crazy. Wait, Phine was at a trial? He was there, bro. I'm like, why is he not? He was there just yesterday. Really? Wait, yesterday. And the day before. How you know this? Because were you there? You weren't there, though. Oh, it's all over the news, bro. Just pull up any footage of the kids walking out. He walked in the family. and I'm just like, yo, the audacity is like strong. Meanwhile, KK is where is she at? You know what I'm saying?

Okay. Could you give us the breakdown of your dealings with KK. We've heard so much about her. We hear that she's a Galane Maxwell to Ditties, Jeffrey Epstein, if you want to believe that theory. We hear she's a chief of staff. We hear she facilitates and help everything go down and pretty much nothing happens without either her approval

or her being right next to Puff kind of deliberating on it. What was your experience with KK, which is her real name is Christina Karam? What was your... She was posing as the chief of staff, but she was so much more. It's all of those that you just said. You think Diddy was fucking her? That was always a thought. Supposedly she lives in the house with him.

They testified that she lives in the house with him. I think she fucked. I think he fucked her. But did he like his women to be perfect? And she got this, this, this scar on her on her nose. And the fact that it's not fixed tells me, well, you know, he's not fucking her, but he fucked her for the, for the sake of having the power over her. You know what I'm saying?

It's one of the ones you like fuck like every six month type of shit. You just got a reminder dick, you know? Like just give it a reminder dick to keep her on the squad, the reminder dick, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every way he went, she was there. Yeah. She was everywhere. Do you feel like she had an undying loyalty towards him?

Yeah. So, for example, like, which is weird to me, on the yacht. She's on a yacht, too? Yeah. I had a room. She had a room. The twins had a room. And the other, Chan stayed in with her mother.

And Dana had a room. What about Young Miami? She stayed in the room. him. Oh, so, so Dana was like, the kid stayed off, off,

off, off the boat. They stayed somewhere. I'm like, why am I privy to be on this motherfucker boat? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You couldn't bring a girl?

You couldn't bring a girl like pipe down? Yeah, I can have, bro, I could have had anybody I wanted to to come on onto the yacht.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm still looking at it like, why do I have a, a,

a room on this yacht? Maybe you look, You get you as the guy to make music with quickly. Like, yo, you're a one-stop production, as you would say, right? Okay. I'm a one-stop shot for sure, but I'm just saying. The point is, like, the houses that we had on land, it wouldn't have took us no more than 15 minutes to get to.

It could be quick. It could be five, ten minutes, just, you know, depending on how fast you move it, bro. So I don't think that it was necessary for me to have to stay on. Now, granted, I was grateful to be on it, but now just looking back, it's like, dang, you look back. And be clear, Tyrone was the one who made me look back and see everything different, bro. He took things with, he looked at things with a different eye. And, you know, it's very, very...

It wasn't your therapist? It was your lawyer? Listen, I'm talking about he, Tyrone made me look back at everything that happened from a day to day, which is how, We came up with this lawsuit because, you know, I don't live in the legal round knowing that if you do this or do that. This is illegal. You know, we know some things obviously like, you know, if you punt somebody, you know, you can go to jail for that as assault. But it's a lot of things I don't know. So I went with him from day one.

All right. This is what happened. This is what happened. This is what happened. This is what happened. He's like, you have a lawsuit. This is a different lawsuit. Hey, as we speak about that, in the lawsuit as I read it,

you open yourself up to some criminal exposure. And then I do want to talk about you meet with the feds because here's the thing. You basically admitted that you were solicited in prostitutes or basically prostitutes at booby trap for Diddy? Right? Like under his direction, but you went there, said, we got some bread for y'all.

Y'all come back. Anything that's mentioned in a lawsuit is what they call it in a mission. of guilt. Okay. And so when I sat down and with the feds to talk about that. Let's set the stage. How did the feds contact you? Did they show up to your door?

Did they tell your lawyer? How did that initial thing happen? And through your publicist, I heard you met with them five times, detail this entire process for me. Yeah, yeah. So they reach out to the attorney. You know what I'm saying? And then, of course, we set up a,

a time and place and that day the time and place was for example was supposed to be maybe a Tuesday for four hours and that went on from a full day to their four day wins there two days a four day Thursday and full day Friday you know what I'm saying and um it was just because it was so much that they had to go through were you clear with what they were trying to get like because you know we've now known that they were trying to at least pursue. with an investigation, but what they used you for was the substance of a affidavit in an application for a search warrant, which did get granted, which they, in fact, did do a raid and a search on two-star islands.

You know that that's what they were trying to do, were they asking a certain question? Like, bro, but where the fuck is the baby oil, though? Not what question? Like, your bro, fuck what you're talking about. We don't want to know where the piano is at. Where the astroglyde at, gang? What were they asking you, bro? We got to figure it out.

Well, here's the thing. It's illegal. Let me take a different approach. Come on, man. You got to give it up wrong, man. You're a big act, man. You got to come on, man. What the fuck were they asking you, man?

You got double that. You told me you're going to double down. Don't start backtracking now. We're not talking about the case. We're talking about the fair shit now. They pretty much asked me about everything within the scope of the lawsuit. But while I'm in agreement, I had to just give them everything else, especially if my hand was in some things unknowingly that I could be incriminated.

It's like, bro, you got one chance now to tell everything. Did they give you any immunity? Yeah, I had immunity for whatever. You told in that session It was a proffered That's what I'm saying As a mission and guilt That's what I'm saying as a mission and guilt

It was like Bang bang bang Look this is what happened This is what happens So you either You know possessing drugs or whatever Like you're clear for that As long as you admit that

Hey I was doing it for him And you told them And you were truthful then Yeah Okay Okay Did you tell them where the baby oil was bro Be honest

Listen I told them everything So you told you knew where the baby all was stored Bro, baby order Just a small piece of Everything else that never Seen their light in court So tell me what you told them You told me the guns is that

Was it there? It was, they got it So you, did you tell them And I told them about the drug mill? I told them about the fanny pack Okay, but did you tell them location I want to because again We have, I have seen all the exhibits

They found I took a piece of paper Yes, you drew it Now drew out Every outline of the house where everything you can think of is. You did like Picasso, man. This thing is on some shit, man.

This thing is said, yo, hold on. Right here, you go up in here, that's Justin's room. He ain't got shit going on in there. He's just watching LeBron all day. You go in the other room, that's where the baby holds at. Let him ask you something, bro.

Put yourself in Ditty's shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would he be doing? If he was me in that room with him, what would he be doing? He'd be telling the truth. You'd be telling the truth, right. So understand, bro.

Like, my fight with him was already unbalanced. You know what I'm saying? It was already unbalanced. Listen, be clear, bro. Like, I grew up in church, but I also grew up in the hood. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I've never sat down in front.

I don't, listen, I got friends that's police, et cetera, but I don't really rock with the popos. I've been a victim my life, all my life, the police is targeting me in any type of way you know what I'm saying so this here had to be done bro

it had to be done did you know where for example the locations of where did he used to store drugs and you mentioned like Tusi you knew where those would normally be in the house bro

if you went to his house right now let's just say all this wasn't happening all right so if I go to Star Island, where could I get to the Toosie draw? If you go to his house, they're not, they're going to ask you, what are you here for? I'm here to make some music. If I go to his house, they're going to buzz me in. And if you come to the house and you standing out and said, I'm going to say, yes, he's cool, let academics in.

Oh, so you had access. That's the type of assets that I had in that house, all of the houses, all the properties, bro. You know what I'm saying? So why Stevie J wants to say, oh, he's just an engineer, no, bro. Yo, um, part of him an engineer. He introduced me as his production partner, you know what I'm saying? Not going to lie to you. You know, I did speak to him.

And I don't know if he'll come on record and say it. I spoke to Brendan Paul. He said, little Rod snitched on me. He said, basically he was doing his thing. He was a former basketball player. He said, why the hell if Did he owe you money? Why are you bringing up his name to him? He carried the drugs.

He said you was snitch. What do you think? What do you say to him? I'm going to bring him on the show. We're talking about it. What's your relationship with him or was your relationship with him? Because you label him as a drug meal, the government tried to use him as a drug meal in a trial. My first day meeting him, he fired himself.

He didn't know it, but I saved him. He did something like got into one of the camera guys who was there much longer. He was a young guy, so he don't know what he said. It was very, very disrespectful. And he was getting ready to go get fired. And I stepped in and I like, I settled it down. You know what happened was as time because speaking to him like he was a plant. That's what people, he's not going to tell you that.

His manager was some type of connection to Diddy. And once I get it, the same managers, no, I don't want them coming at me, bro. I ain't got that type of security. But anyway, some managers put Brandon Paul in there. Oh, you think he was a plant. It was for sure a plant. So you don't believe Brendan told me himself

You know what I'm saying So he's a plant He put him in there So why would you think you snitched on him that Bro because That's what they're going to call it When you're sitting across talking to the The state or the government

They're going to call it the snitch But again look Do you think you could have left his name out of it Because I think he was just saying Like yo if you got a problem with puff Why are you going randomly bring up that I got all the tucy and I got the pills And I got the fanny

The reality is if he was in that situation, he had been doing it too. Okay. Okay. Look, let's talk about that. Brandon Paul testified, but also, I've never seen anybody plead guilty so fast to a case. You think he's snitching? He snitch. Oh, man.

You got to tell him out. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. You feel me? Nah, he did. His case got resolved, man, quick. I'm just a type of person who gets somewhere for people. If I realize this is what it's going to be, then you know what?

Go ahead. I shield a lot of people. I didn't tell or talk about a lot of other things, bro. Hey, why do you think Young Miami ain't show up to that goddamn trauma? If they approached you, young Miami up in them freakoffs, do you think Young Miami was in a freakoff? This is your opinion. This is not. Listen, I- She mentioned getting peed on.

Do you think that, again, when I mean freak-offs, do you think Did he would have have other either sex worker or men penetrate her. Yes. Really? My date county bitch. Bro, I've witnessed. Look, man. Corisha not on that.

We'll ask this give a fuck by the nigger. Look, allegedly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, allegedly. Yeah, yeah. That's the good word. Yeah, yeah. Leggely, on the boat, I've seen him with Diddy,

young Miami and Justin and another girl sleep in the same room all night Wait hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on Time on. You said you seen who and what? Yeah, Justin, this is not the first time. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, break it.

You said on the yacht, you seen who was in the room? Diddy, Justin, Young Miami, and another girl. It might have been two more other girls as well. So did he just, oh, there was, there was running a father, like, there was running a LeBron and Bronny play. Oh shit. All the time, bro, bro.

So you think Diddy was throwing Young Miami to Justin? Oh, hold that, Just. Damn. Absolutely. Holy shit. Yeah. So it's a win-win for Justin. You understand?

Man, maybe the Lori Harvey things is true. Nah, no way. Wait, you with your own two eyes, allegedly. Big word. Allegedly. You allegedly saw in the same room, Diddy, Young Miami, Justin Combs, another woman. It was another, so it was four or five?

I think you said maybe two more other one. I think it was two women besides, in fact, I'm almost 100% sure. That's called a handicap match, man. It's a two on three. You remember what I'm saying? His two niggas and three chicks. Holy, it was getting busy in there. Damn.

Because the other two girls, it's not like I've seen them all the time. I may have seen them like twice. One girl particular for sure. But I can't remember if I allegedly seen her go in there. But I do know I've seen her and the other girl like hanging around, kissing on a yard. You know what I'm saying? Like booed up a little bit. Based on what you allegedly experienced and watch, do you believe that they were having,

freak off the night before or maybe a family slumber party. It might be a slumber party, brother. It might be a slumber party. You know what I mean? Roasting smorish. You might be reading. Huh? Alcohol and loud music, bro.

Y'all going in this room with two, three in the morning coming out the next day, two, three in the afternoon. You do the math, allegedly. What type of drugs like? Toul and all type of shit. Like, what we're talking about? I don't know what's going on. Move on the next question.

Holy shit. Hey, did, I think that when the face. did the raid, they really wanted to find the volume of tapes that would probably involve freak off tapes. In your lawsuit, you spoke about tech guys and people who would be involved in maintaining technology and who might oversee his security system. Did the feds ask you,

brother, where could we find the freakoff tapes? Tell us where to find it. Where's the room? Where's the control center for the freak off show? Well, I, well, listen, I've had, I had, I had, So many I had so many So many freakoffs on a hard drive Puff gave me that I didn't even know I had bro

Nigger what? No you didn't Alright come on, alright Hold on no Let's start a cat now You had videos of freakoffs Did you turn those over to the feds? Listen, they got a copy of everything I had

Why would Puff give you a video of a freak off? Oh, who knows? he was that loose pause and like just laxed with how he was moving I would puff grab my phone and start video recording himself you know what I'm saying so like who knows bro

I don't I'm not in his man head he's done a lot of things and we're all trying to figure out like why would he do that you know what I'm saying I don't know bro wow oh oh oh look at this oh shit

he was fucking randomly grab my phone just started. That's your phone. He just grabbed. Maybe he was flirting with you. Do you think he like, I think he's bisexual, do you think he has some attraction for you? Being honest, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm, I'm saying, I'm not I'm not sure what angle you trying to go right now.

No, no, no, no, no. I said attraction. I'm not in the next question I was going to say. I don't think it's nothing that he's not attracted to. I think he's attracted to having the power. Okay. I think he's attracted to controlling everything that's happening and going on at all times. Do you think he, you know, overtly tried you?

And in those moments, how did you take that? Did you be like, they could knock it off or how did those kind of manifest? Bro. Let's get outside the moment. Okay. Let's get outside the civil suit, bro. Hey, no, no, no. You don't understand, bro.

They've tried everything. They've tried everything in the world to stop all of this from seeing the light from stopping my suit They've been attacking my attorney. You know what I'm saying? The mob is on him Joe whatever his name is a fat Joe's attorney Joe whatever like this whole thing with him Mowing down the line of the process service he didn't even hear him I was on the phone with him So I was on FaceTime with him when when it went down and went like this it looks as if whoever this person was was either trying to mug him or whatever he's jumping all on his car while he's already moving we got the videotape you know what I'm saying

so the reality is listen why people are looking at Tyrone like whatever type of attorney understand is that most attorneys are are they're not moving with integrity and everything is about money for them and they don't really have what it takes to to fight this type of fight Tyrone is a hero. He's taking on a lot of cases pro bono that most people won't take. And he's fighting a fight that he's never fought before. So there are going to be some mistakes in his fight.

And sometimes... Did he take on your case for free? It's not free. It's pro bono. I mean, later on... Okay, so if I get some money, I'll bust it down. But you have never paid him, right? Right.

That type of case, you got to take this case on. if you believe that this is a real case. Or if you believe that it's an easy lick, right? Not an easy lick, bro. Ain't nothing easy in this world, bro. Hey. It's a fight. And we're talking about, we're talking about Diddy, bro.

He ain't nothing just going to be. He's not no weak guy, bro. Okay. So again, so Banna in the criminal case, she said that there was details in her civil suit against Diddy that she claimed Tyrone told her to put in there. is everything in your civil case 100% from you or did he influence you

or tell you to spice some things up? Everything is 100% from me. From your experience and from your knowledge. Yeah, listen. What I'm hearing is that it's a possibility allegedly that, you know, Puff got to hurt. You know what I feel.

You think so. Yeah, yeah. But listen, I feel with the jurors, I feel like the last day they got tampered with. Really? Why? Why do you think that? Bro, listen, I've been around Puff for so long, bro. I played 13 instances.

No one ever sat down and taught me anything. I know how to just watch and learn, bro. And I can play the chess game very, very well, like literally chess, you know what I'm saying? Which is about strategy. and just watching how everything moved, bro, and the things that were going on the day before, I really feel like within them 24 hours, somebody got to somebody, bro,

and that's just how he moves. He moves like he's the Frank Lucas, or he moves like he's this mob gangster. You know what I'm saying? And he petting himself after big gangsters like that, bro, he just moves a certain way, which is why you've got to be careful, bro, because you never know,

but your sister that he didn't have paid the term thrown you. You know what I'm saying? Wow. This is how he moved. I've seen too many things, bro, and I know how he moves.

Hey, and again, I know I want to say, I know it sounds like a reach, everything sounds crazy, but y'all got to understand, bro, y'all wouldn't even know

he was dealing with Jane Doe. Hadn't that I told y'all. You know what I'm saying? Did you say it in there? Hold on. You the first? I'm the first person. It came out of my own.

Oh, shit. Oh, oh, oh, damn. You said, He bragged about having several women on a monthly stipend The woman who received these payments are Carisha Jay, wait, wait, wait, wait, slow down, slow down.

Yeah, who? Carisha, young Miami. Did she get money from? I mean, she got a car, she got a few items. I don't know if she was getting a monthly stipend, though, but, but... You can Google it come up. She was mad about her only receiving $200,000 a month. She was getting $200,000 a month.

Googly it, bro. I might have to fill an application. She doesn't anybody get afraid. What's the next one? Jade Ramey. I don't even know who that is. I'm about to Google it. Okay.

Let's move forward. She didn't show up in court, so go to the next one. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Was she supposed to show up? Because there's a victim five that didn't show up. Maybe I don't know. It's not like the prosecutors are telling me all we bring her. I'm just trying to tell you.

So Jade Ramey, yeah, that was one of the bad things. Holy. He did. Daphne, Joy. Yeah, you were the first to bring her up. So I'm not saying that that's Jane, though. Is that Jane, though?

Is that Jane, though? Okay. All right. So was she on the payroll? She was. So hold on. Young Miami was getting... Young Miami was getting $200,000, and she was getting $10?

I see why she was wiling out. I see why she was wilding out. When originally, didn't she say that that was a lie and she was going to sue me for defamation? She did. But then pretty much it was proven. It was proven by her own testimony that she's damn there. Sex worker, yes. All right, cool.

So get off my name. And so when I'm telling y'all some things that is obviously true, I need people to stop thinking it's a far reach. Did you ever see Gina around? Gina. Never seen her. Wait, man, I can't say never. You know you like them chicks who look like they come from Asia, you know?

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. A little blazing looking chicks, you know what I'm? A couple people walked in I probably thought it was the same person. It was probably something like different. I can't really say that I haven't seen her. You know what I'm saying? Hey, listen, I got to ask you this one thing. You got to either stand on it or say, oh, now it's tripping.

That was a mistake. And it's cool either way. But you had me threatened. You know, you know, you had me. I had to get extra security. You know, I got 50 guns in my crib just for, just for situations like this. Meek Mill was going to give me a wedgy because you put him in a lawsuit. No, see, don't laugh at it.

You know, you said it and he said he going to give me a wedgie. And I'm like, Nick, I didn't say it. You said. So, you, I want to go, I want to read, again, I'm reading from your, I'm reading. He mentioned me the other day or last week or the week before. He said, he says, he says you were alive. That's what you said. I don't want no smoke, bro.

You know what I'm saying? I don't want no smoke, bro. I don't want to read exactly what it is. It says rapper, redacted, the redacted rapper was a Philadelphia rapper who dated Nicky Minaj. I think a smart, reasonable mind would conclude that's Meek Mill. Little Rod, were you speaking about Meek Mill? And I'm going to warn you.

If you scared of ditty, you don't want the chases chasing you down whatever block you at. Meek Mill is on some shit. Listen. He might bunny hop to your house and get you. Stop playing with him. Don't fuck with the chases. Was it Meek Mill you were referring to?

Let's clear his name now. Because he's going to be at a white party and I don't need no type of bad vibes One of you around Michael Rubin. Okay? Could you clear his name? Listen, listen. If the shoe fit, wear it.

If the shoe fit wear it, anybody who... You don't got to say who it is, but let's say who it's not. Could we eliminate Meek Mill from who you were speaking about? Hey, you're a smart dude. It could be another Philly rapper. We don't know who. Let's eliminate... So we can't eliminate Meek Mill.

Little Rod. Your little ride, man Okay, brother Yo, you're not going to get the jump for this clip What is it with you and Meek Mill, bro? Just tell me the story so I can figure it out. It shouldn't be none of me and him. It should be with him and you.

You're the one who basically said he was dead. Yeah, but I've seen y'all just going back and forth, but what's your got going? No, we don't kind of squash it for the 15th time. We'd be very too much. I ain't got no problem, bro. You said rapper was on Mr. Cohn. Wait, hold on.

Rapper 3 was on. Mr. Combs Yacht, consort with underage girls and sex workers. You also had a gay allegation there, too. Where is it at? Oh, and then, so you said that rapper was, so you're accusing him of dealing with underage girls, and then you said according to,

so the lawsuit says, according to you, Mr. Jones, Diddy told you that he had engaged in sexual intercourse with rapper 11, and rapper 11 is, is the same thing. Philadelphia rapper who dated Nicky Mnichy Mnach. Did Sean P. Did he call?

That's the last thing I'll ask you about the specifics of this. And then we could talk about the birds and the bees. I don't care. Did Puff Daddy Combs tell you that he had engaged in sexual intercourse

with a rapper from Philadelphia who dated Nicky Mnich Mnage? Is yes or no? Yes. Yes. How did that come about, my brother? how like like it's no way you just drop that in the conversation like by the way trial trial

you're sticking to that point wow you don't want to be like I thought I heard it oh I was a little bit lit I said this an hour and 25 minutes ago bro I'm dumbled down on everything that I said everything I'm not sticking nobody knows me to say something different you know what I'm saying I'm doubling down on everything I said bro I'm not really trying to cause any smoke with nobody in you know what I'm saying I'm just telling my story that people got a problem with that then maybe they need to check themselves period mm-hmm you know what I'm saying I don't understand why it's so many bro if I was bisexual bro I just be open with it you know what I'm saying this is 2025 bro I don't understand it like why why people in in in the closet with it bro if you like niggas you like niggas don't be offended because I told my truth okay I ain't for to be I ain't even for to be playing these these these these these uh uh these these these these news all that games with people anybody got a problem but what I said bro just put it on

wax bro you know what I'm saying I'm not I don't think meek want to put it on wax I think he want to see you now well I'm a rapper too no I don't think you want to rap about it I think you want to beat you up I'm not and I'm not speaking directly to him too by the way I'm just speaking in general okay what about because because I ain't got no problems with him. I ain't saying, I ain't personally said. You could clear his name though. Name out of my mouth. But you could clear his name. I'm not clearing. I'm not clearing his name. Like, I don't know, dude. But, but, but you know what Diddy said. And if Diddy didn't say his name and everybody thinks to him, you could be like, oh, now it wasn't him. He can't even control, or anybody, whoever it is can't control what Diddy says out of their mouth. You know what I'm saying? You keep trying to, like, direct me towards him.

It's all good because you said somebody else who want to confirm on this one. You said, so Diddy said he had had sexual relations with rapper 11, which is a Philadelphia rapper who dated Nick Minaj, but also R&B singer who performed at the Super Bowl and had a successful residency and who fought over the cereal, the frosted flakes with him. Who's that? Who fought over the frosted flake? Come on now, brother.

Come on, man. What type of clues of these? Let me ask you this. Do you think any of those two things that was said, do you think is accurate? I think it could be. I think it could be, but I wouldn't know. I didn't know about Diddy's some of his sexual preferences. So far, so far the things that I've said are they accurate?

We're seeing some things come to like, yes. But. Okay. So it don't take a rocket science. It's like, are you pro-Diddy? Like, it's like I don't get people. Like, they see all the facts and they still make excuses. Like, stop, man.

What are we talking about? This dude is not no angel, bro. He's been marking himself for years as an angel. But behind those, this nigga is a gangster and he's bisexual, period. He's bisexual. Do you have any proof that he, like, other than him supposedly saying it, you ever have allegedly either witnessed or heard him and another man maybe going in the room and you're like, yo, hold on now, that ain't music, that ain't music.

What the hell is going on in there? Have you ever allegedly? So you're missing parts inside of the complaint. You probably need to go back and read some of it. You know what I'm saying? So we ain't already talk about it now. You know what I'm saying? you probably need to do your homework, but there's a situation a couple of times.

You know what I mean? You know, a man or a male, they're going into his room or in the studio and being in there for a couple of days, et cetera. A man? Yeah, men. What do you mean men? Like multiple? Yeah, multiple. Really?

Yeah. What's the amount of money that you're seeking? And I'm pretty sure you sent him a demand letter. this is all public now. What was the amount he had to pay for this not to come out? Well, how much you asked for? I see here, you had said you were down to take 50,000 for publishing and royalties at a point. You have the all-claim situation, and then you have the music aspect of it.

So for the music aspect of it, you know, what I would have, rightfully, been old was my producer points, which they wanted to give me none. The publishing share, the writer's share, which they wanted to give me none. And then they didn't even want to pay me any money towards the masters. And then they did what they offered me was $20,000. Now, for my fees, what I do charge, that should have been somewhere around $1.15, or $135. So I'm not accurate, but within $100, you know what I'm saying? no more than the 200,000, right?

But what I did was for, for business sake and relationships sake of working with clients again, because you know, after you done with an album, you want to, you want to do the business in a way that if you have to do something again, that is, you know what I'm saying? You were fair. So what I did was I offered a small amount of publishing and small royalty points. and then the producer fee was small like 56,000 that I was willing to take. You know what I'm saying? And it just, my man was going to be happy unless he was just like, like just screwing me all over.

You know what I'm saying? And so it got really bad. In fact, he went around and paid some people to give me bad counsel in order to make me take the lesser. You know what I'm saying? Lesser money, lesser everything. So I know we all looking at the 29,000. Oh, by the way, is it the Cuban good in Judaism? He tried to fuck you, right?

You know, they're reading the internet. My nigga, like, you did, right? You said he put his arm around your arm your leg. That was crazy. Why you said they didn't go fuck off me, you know? Listen, I'm glad that we're talking now. I wouldn't have been able to laugh about this a year ago. Bro, come on, though.

A nigga putting his arm around you and rubbing your thigh? You got to get the fuck off me, nigga. Fuck is you doing? We working on music, gang. Yo, come on, rock. A little rock. Come on, bro. Did you feel powerless in that moment?

Because, like, obviously it's a big thing. Very much. Very much, bro. Very much. I'm overseas. I'm on puff yacht. You know, every, all these men around me, you know what I'm saying? Drugs and alcohol.

And there's so much, bro. It was like, I probably, I've never really felt that type of helpless until I was in that situation. You know what I'm saying? Really? Yeah. Wow. Neonaut. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely crazy.

What do you think KK's that right now? So why can't we find her? Um, you know, I'm hearing allegedly that, um, I'm hearing allegedly that, um, I'm hearing allegedly she's tied in to the cartels or something like yeah allegedly this is not all this now this is all speculation this is all

this is all what's been said to me how credible it is I don't know but the fact is I'm not really talking to too many people and the fact that they can even get to my ear you know what I'm just I'm just told that she works with the cartel

I was also told that allegedly a possible allegedly that Diddy was an informant for like the feds, which is why he kind of kept her close. You know what I'm saying? Who told you that? The feds told her you? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Fads. First of all, they wouldn't disclose information that they have. They would just receive information and then take it straight to the bars. Yo, Lil Raj, you good, man. You like, avoid the, give us the total amount. How much did you ask this nigga Diddy for, man? Because I'm pretty sure you wish she pays you. You're asking for, what was it like, a million dollars?

No. Five hundred thousand? No, bro. I hit Christian. Hold on, I got Christian. I hit that nigga right now. I tell him like, niggins, send the money over, man. You're tweaking, bro.

They got it. How much? Bro. I'll taste it right now. I got it. How much? That's some shit that my attorneys and... How much do you personally want, though?

Be honest. Like, you've gone through a lot of pain and suffering. You claim... You claim like five niggins sexually assaulted you. It's not really about money anymore for me, bro. It is about money. You're filing a civil suit. My dude.

You want to? All right. All right. They asked every witness and did he trial this last question. I'll ask you this question. If it was up to you and Diddy could get life in prison and you get no money or you could get the money and did he go free, what do you pick? What do you pick? You could only pick one, my brother.

Remember, you ain't go to the cops. The cops came to you. So if you could pick one, did he never seize the outside of a jail cell again? Or you get whatever bread you want. I don't know how much you won't tell me. But he's going to be back. He's going to be playing with the baby all.

Okay? No, no. If he's back doing what he's doing and terrorizing people the whole now, yeah, I'm done, bro. You got to understand, bro. I didn't, I didn't really take this fight just for myself, too, bro. I took this fight for other people, bro. You know what I'm saying?

Well, why do you think the feds didn't use you then? They didn't use you at all in their tribe, but they used you for, it's confusing. I don't know what they got going on. It's a lot of politics games happening within this. I don't know. There's too many connections, bro. I really don't know. It's above my pay grade, bro.

I don't know. You know what I do know is what I do know. And I also knew that nobody was qualified to take this fight. But myself, bro, he wouldn't have been there had not I was fighting him. You know what I'm saying? I'm a superhero or a heart anyway, bro. And I'm a toy, bro. Well, here's the thing.

So, again, and I'm going to use Brennan Paul again, if people, do you think is fair if some people call you a snoburn? bitch versus superhero. And it's clear you don't think you think yourself of a superhero. But they're saying, nigga, you was having a good. He was living a lifestyle.

You was fucking the bitches. You was doing this. Popping So rock on the yachts, on the jets. Now, because it didn't work out, you basically told on the whole operation. That's like selling drugs. And as soon as you get, you know, the connection stop fucking with you.

You go to the cops. You know why this was successful? Because nobody knows me to be that person. Okay. And that's what Puff didn't do his homework, bro, because I was never the one in and boasting talking about what I did, who I used to work with. I'm humble, bro. He didn't do his homework.

I've been active, bro. I've been active. You know what I'm saying? Since I was 13. And that ain't never been, that ain't never been me, bro. I just realized that we're in a fight, bro. And the only way to fight this guy, you got to state all your claims at once. And we were trying to deal with this discreetly.

Again, they started threatening kids and everything else. So it was like, it's time to go public now. Because for safety reasons. How long, how long, how long did before you went public with this, how long did you guys go back and forth? And did once you sent your demand letter, did it immediately turn to harassment and potential intimidation and violence? or did just negotiations or whatever just break down? Because your lawsuit was the most descriptive piece of litigation we saw with Cassie. She alleged a bunch of stuff, but we found out a lot, lot more in trial.

Yeah. Well, the intimidation and the bully tactics and all that stuff didn't come until after I switched attorneys into my litigated attorney. Okay. So who was your attorney at first? You want to know his name, huh? I mean, I don't really care about it. It wasn't Blackburn, though. No.

Okay, so. He's my third attorney. So Blackburn is your third attorney. Yeah. Why did you go through two attorneys already? Well, because I had to switch. My other guy, he just handles paperwork. You know what I'm saying?

And so that being said, we had to get into the litigating. We was litigating now because it was pretty much a hard stop. Like, no, we ain't doing this. So they figured that I'm just vending back down. And so I had to put another attorney in who's a litigating. Now, you can probably Google this. So there's no reason to shield this. But the attorney who I removed from the case did an interview and told the world that he knew us both.

And he used to go to school with Puff, maybe like a roommate, et cetera, and cops. The whole nine york was this guy was then giving me bad counsel when it came on to how to do this. And I only knew this because he's not the first, the second, the third, the fourth, the tenth attorneys. I've been having attorneys working for me since I was 17. So I know the attorney game. You know what I being said, he was giving me bad counsel. And I know the music business. and so based on that

I had to remove him from my team and you can you can put the rest together in your head he went to school with puff do you believe the feds lost the most important charges or the charges that carry the most weight because they didn't bring you in I'm a regional lawsuit and you actually say

you know Sean Combs and KK had me sent Uber to transport sex workers to come to two star island And that would kind of fit under sex trafficking. Like you could have been a valuable witness. Why not bring you up there?

Because KK's not going to be there. Why not bring you there to say, hey, I would send the Uber's. They would pay me back. I would send the Uber's to get the sex workers or the people who were, quote, quote, being sex trafficked. I really don't know. And I really wouldn't count them out yet. They did say that they was going to bring some other charges, et cetera. More charges?

Yeah. So I really don't know. and for me, I would rather let them do their job, you know what I'm saying, and trust that they're going to bring some results. Look, believe it or not, Ditty's team is over there taking a victory lap. Okay? Now, he still is hit with two felonies, but they're taking a victory lap. Who takes a victory lap and you hit with two felons unless you know you're getting off on more than you should have? You know what I'm saying?

They're taking victory last, bro. He's a felon. What happens to all this to fame, my name? We're going to show you. Our client has done nothing, et cetera, but in open court, it's clear. And he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a two-time convicting felon, bro.

Nobody was able to bring that to him, bro. Hmm. I'm the person that have, bro, and we all, you can probably name 10 situations that people, feel like he had his hands in. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of speculation about Pock's death. There's a lot of speculations about Ditties or Biggie's death. There's speculations about Kim Porter.

There's speculation about Natasha Ruegan. You said that he openly bragged about getting away with crimes. Bro. Would he get drunk? Would he be drunk when he's saying this or would he be sober like, yo, I'm untouchable. I'm above the law. You don't even know what he's on sometimes. You know, I mean, sometimes he's coming out.

He's on that dog on shroom. He's going crazy. Sometimes he's on two-street. Sometimes he's coming in there. He just coked all the old on heroin. You never know, bro. Did he ever approach you to have sex with any of his women, whether a close girlfriend or not? Did he ever said, hey, Luride, I want you to have sex with this woman and maybe even insinuate.

It's not funny. This is insinuate that he might watch. Listen, listen. Trial, bro. Hmm. By the way, do you feel a little bit happy, though, that the way the government's initial charges or, well, final charges, the five counts, they match your lawsuit pretty well.

I mean, y'all accuse civil Rico. They charge him for RICO. Y'all basically say sex trafficking. They gave him two sex trafficking charges. And you hear, you list one, two, three, you list a sex workers that showed up to two-star island. and you say these are the dates of the four solicitations and they basically have him convicted now on two prostitution acts.

Do you feel victory in that your civil suit has gotten some criminal accountability out of him? Yeah, so, you know, to be honest, bro, I had mixed emotions. Now, look, we're going to sit here and talk about all the negative things, but there was some great moments. of working together, right? And also put that aside, I'm a father.

You know what I'm saying? I'm a father. And I didn't want to see him go to jail for the rest of his life or I didn't want to see him die in there. But I also didn't want to see him running the streets just free and intimidating.

You know what I'm saying? What would have been an appropriate amount of time that you, think that he should have been incarcerated or I mean he still could be incarcerated for you say you don't want to die in jail he's 55 if he gets if he gets 20 years in jail 75 the average the average age of a prison inmate is actually around low 70 so that's death in jail so I don't I don't feel like jail is the answer to everything bro so you think he should just go to rehab no I don't think he should go to rehab I think the problem is it's the it's the it's the

The people around- You think he's getting a needle? No, no, no, no. I think it's the people around him who has been, yes, man, just to receive money that's been the problem. So I just felt like...

Yeah, but that's around everybody, though. Like, you accuse this guy of serious crimes. You said he's sexual assaulting you and sex traffic people. What do you think should happen to him? You're saying you don't think jail is appropriate. You say you don't want him to die in jail. What do you want to have happened to him?

You want to get shot in the head? This type of guy uses money and influence to get everything. You know what I'm saying? So you think he should just give up all his money that he doesn't have that power anymore? From that, and he don't have that, and he's forced, he's already doing some time. But with this time, if he's forced to go to rehab and then do some things like, you know, parole, where they're monitoring all his activity, et cetera, that's more helpful to him. him and not necessarily him but to the kids you know what I'm saying you know he got a young one so

you know when you take away that if it focuses him it makes him still not have that type of control of power but he's there and present in the family lives you know what I'm saying I don't think taking any person and specifically the man away from the family is the answer so but you accuse him of crimes that are first-degree crimes that all carry life I'm accusing him I'm just telling him what he's did. A civil RICO is a sister charged to a criminal RICO and a RICO carries up to life in prison. He did it. He

did it, Bill. So would you have been okay? And again, I feel like I'm still struggling with getting a straight answer from you. Would you have been okay if he has to forfeit all of his fortune? Like, you know, he just doesn't have all of this resources, a plane, or this, or that, that he could take

advantage of other people. But for the people he has taken advantage of, you and other people, according to you guys. He liquidates his fortune and he pays y'all off, maybe he gives him to his kids, but he's no longer the person that could do what he, what you've claimed he's done with the money he has. Because put it like this, if somebody, if somebody sexually assaulted me, I want him to be in jail. Actually, I want him to be, I want him death by firing squad.

You're saying that you don't think he should die in jail. Just to let you know, a first degree. I don't think death is a penalty. You know what I'm saying? And I don't believe, bro. Why not life in prison? First degree, first degree sexual assault carries life in every single state. A first degree sexual.

I understand what it carries, but again. But you don't think that's appropriate? That's ultimately not my decision, but you got to understand. I'm going to always look at things a little different, bro. You know, I've had a cousin die in the car with me when I was young. You know what I'm saying? And I understand the ripple effect. I understand how that hurt my auntie.

or his brother, how I hurt my mom and so many people. Why do you care about his family and his mom if you said he sexually assaulted you? Bro. If someone assaulted me, fuck their kids. That's the problem. You took my innocence and you took my life away. It's like somebody kills my brother. It's like, I'm not going to be like, well, they have a mom too.

Fuck them. But that's the problem with the world, bro. We're so selfish. We so selfish. I'm saying? Okay. So I've had people, bro, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, who've done something to me, bro, it won't even be no more music industry, bro.

Still just now, within the last two or three months, bro, I can open up two lawsuits right now on somebody totally different. And not to say that I won't, but the reality is, bro, we are the, the problem with the world. Are you going to file another lawsuit potentially? on anybody else? I'm pondering. I'm thinking about it.

And right now, that's not my main focus. My main focus is this and just keep my mental health. This shit took my mental health to a whole other state, bro. Nobody gives a fuck about that, bro. You know what I'm saying? But I do. And the reality is, I understand what that

is, bro. I can't help but the feel when I'm looking at the ones who are under 18 who are just straight in and said, I don't think that's fair. I had to put myself in a situation. What if I was born, then somebody just took my father away? I know my father did this, but you know what I'm saying?

I still don't know the answer. And the reality is, what happens is that kid grows up a certain way without their father, bro, and we just don't want to be in that situation. Now, I don't think that he needed to go to jail for his life. I really think, and I really thought that if he got light, bro, Trump was going to pardon him anyway. You think Trump should pardon him? If he did?

If he pardon him, again, I don't believe that life is a sentence. If he got 10 years, I would be okay. If he got 20, you got 30, I would be okay with it. The reality is I don't see him doing the full 30 because he's got connections and somebody probably, you know what I'm saying? Were you consulted? They working all types of everything going away. Oh, yeah, man.

They'd have been able to figure that 30 years out where he's not done. doing the full of 30 years. You know what I'm saying? Is that the reason why you didn't write a letter? Cassie wrote a letter, Deontay Nash wrote a letter, a few other victims and witnesses wrote a letter to say, do not let him out. Would you have written a letter or did you cognizantly say, hey, listen, I got the guilty verdict.

I feel some type of, you know, justice. I'm not going to advocate that he never gets out. Is that why you didn't write a letter? Or would you have if you had the opportunity? Listen, I could have wrote a letter. and the reality is... You still can write a letter, by the way, because sentences it is a third on October.

I still can write a letter. Are you going to... I don't know. I'm still processing this. You know what I'm saying? I'm not quick to just, bam, make a move unless I just know. And the reality is,

bro, I've been fighting with him just in a spiritual realm this whole time. And so I had to get that to God. So unless God comes to talk to me and tells me, no, you need to do this or that, then I don't know. As a right now, when the verdict was handed out,

I immediately got a headache. I had all types of mixed emotions, you know what I'm saying? And still do with that not necessary or I feel bad for him. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at it's God letting you off. And if he's letting you off, are you going to get back out and get active in this way? You know what I'm saying? Because that would be the only thing that would be stopping me, I mean, making me want to write a ladder or, you know what I'm saying?

And Saturday was like, bro, you're now answering to some of your crimes, bro. You may not be all of them, but you answer to some of them. And right now, you know, the defense is looking like it's a win, but it's also a win for the prosecution. So you talk about repentance, you talk about therapy and how it's health. you, but also repentance in understanding that, you know, maybe not all of his crimes have been answered for illegally, but, you know, if that could cause the change, you're not going to essentially question God. Let me ask you the personal question. Do you, you know, through your therapy, through your healing, could you sit here on this interview with me now and say,

for the actions that he did that may have irreparably changed your life, have you forgiven Sean Puff Daddy comes? I can only forgive him again. Have you? If, if, I don't know. My forgiveness is contingent on if he's, if he's still the same guy. You know what I'm saying? If he's still the same guy and is for sure going to be moving, you know what I mean,

in weird ways, absolutely not. the foot is still on the gas but if if that time that he's done and there has turned him and he's he's forgiven himself for sure for sure i'm not bro listen i've never been the type to hold grudges at people in life understand that if if you move like that you can never be in position to receive new and i just know that bro you know what i'm saying life is like putting food into your body bro you gotta release that in order to receive more if you're not then what's happening is it's only hurting yourself so just knowing that I can't hold on to everything he's done and expect to to keep living in life bro it'll be tearing me down man one time I looked in the mirror

and saw my eyes and my face bro it was just bad I'm like bro all this is is killing me bro it's wearing on me you know what I'm saying and so I really had to get closer to my higher yourself. I had to get spiritual. I had to stay in therapy, bro, like twice sometimes, twice a week, bro. I'm in therapy. Just like, you know what I mean? Talking through issues, etc. So I can't sit here and hold on to everything the man is done, bro, because you and I won't be able to laugh about some of the stuff that just last year wouldn't be funny. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, D.D. is obviously going through it, have gone through it, but it still will go

through it. Your lawsuit doesn't only name him as someone who you find has been someone who victimized you. You name his son, Justin. You also name KK. Do you look at the whole thing and say

if he's sitting in jail, they should be sitting right next to him? Of course. You think Justin should be in jail? No, I'm not going to say Justin. Look. Why not? Again, Justin was trained by his father. So you think he was groomed?

That's his father. However, they are adults. You know what I'm saying? So you say he was groomed into that, the behavior for that lifestyle? Bro, if his father was a carpenter, he would have been a carpenter. If his father was a musician, he'd have been a musician. That's just how it is, like father, like son. So while he's in his 30s,

I just feel like he was raised this way. And I do feel like his father answering to some of these things are naturally probably changing even him so you know I've I've never had anything ill to say about Justin for the most part he's just been a quiet dude just doing what he's doing you know it's time to go get active he'd get active with his with his father or himself it is what it is but um it is what it is so he's got to answer to some of the things that he did because of his father but I don't think he needs to go to jail for the rest of his life if that's what you're asking me

What about KK? KK is another thing. You know what I'm saying? I feel like she need to be in the same exact situation as Puff, for sure. Whatever he gets, she needs it to. Are you looking for now money, an apology, or you're looking to just use his entire process to get the healing? you need?

I really don't have an answer for that. You know what I'm saying? I really don't have an answer. And the reality is no one can rest me to that answer. The reality is sometimes I'm making a record and I don't really know exactly what's the end going to be until I put the final policies on it. And the reality is we're still back and forth. And that's all I know.

You know what I'm saying? I can't really give you that. You can't rush me to that answer. You know what I'm saying? That's fair. That's fair. So a lot of factors that I'm still trying to consider doing this time. So, and just to be quite fully transparent, I have not been focused on my specific case.

None this year. And even some of last year, you know what I'm saying, the end of the year, I have not been focused on it. And sometimes, bam, my name. come across all the press little rod this this this and I'm like man why nobody tell me today you know what I'm saying it's new to me

so and again for therapy purposes I had to turn this off bro I couldn't focus on it so this fight I'm not looking at everybody still looking at the number of money bro I'm not even thinking and looking about the money

and of course this has been a financial hardship for me because I had to go and hide. You know what I'm saying? I'm used to being on tour, seven, eight, nine months of the year in the studio, the rest, you know what I'm saying, or doing something. I wasn't able to do that. I did some gigs last year.

This year I did do Coachella with T. Payne. I was a music director, so I ran all the music for T.Pain. We did two weeks Coachella and then we did a stage coach. um cochella main stage you know what i'm saying so i orchestrated that you can go to my instagram you can see some of the things like that i also uh hired him um with a 70 piece uh orchestra for the for the dnc party those you know those things like that i was able to do because i had security you know what i'm saying it's such a big platform that um but even then but it was nervous i was nervous my first time coming out um last year i did hollywood bowl with um with

T. Payne and I was nervous, scared out of my life, bro. Just everybody that walked up on me, I just thought that, you know what I'm saying? They were with Diddy, bro. It's like, and it took a lot of therapy to just like calm me down, bro. That's what people now even understanding, you know what I'm saying? And so I took a big L and it and during this time, I've been writing all types of music. And that's just where I met. I'm, you know what I mean?

I'm back to it. I had records. you know what I'm saying I had this records I was ready to drop on these niggas and I was just like man I ain't gonna I ain't gonna drop none of this you know what I'm saying I just got back to the positive records etc but that's just

where I'm at with it right now you know what I'm saying if you know you talked about change behavior that's one thing you want to see more than seeing somebody your life in prison I agree I think that Diddy has to probably do some soul search and some look within to see how we

out there. If that happens and, you know, I heard conversations of him praying in court. I talked to 6-9 who said he prayed. He prayed in jail. But let's say he's genuinely changed. Say he reaches out and he apologizes for his behavior, his, you know, lack of, you know, care and everything else having to do with you. Would you potentially ever see working with him again? Because he's going to come back and he's going to be doing music, brother. And the music industry is only that small. Would you completely rule out ever working with him?

Or obviously it would be a long, a lot of steps to get to it. Would you possibly work with Diddy again? I think we're well past that, bro. And I can't, I really can't say no because I do have a forgiving heart. You know what I'm saying? but I can't say that I can't say that that that I will either again this is this I would have to look at it if this happened you know what I'm saying the what if kills a lot of shit but I really don't even live by the what if you know what I'm saying I would have to see this

today and if he apologized today right now the answer would be no you know what I'm saying but if some time went by I can't tell you what my answer answer would be. You know what I'm very, I'm very firm with my answer. So I try to watch what I say because I always mean what I say at all times. What was that feeling like when you went to court, you saw him in cuffs, well, not in cuffs, but you saw him at the defendant's table. And he's now standing on federal trial for several felonies that could have, you know, resulted in life in prison. when you laid eyes, whether you were in the main courtroom or maybe an overflow, and you've seen him apparently looked very different.

Apparently, he looked a lot more around. Say it? I was three or four worlds behind him. What was that moment? Like, did you look at him? Did he ever lock eyes with you? Couldn't look at him. You couldn't?

I couldn't look at him. Why not? Because I couldn't look at him because, one, he has a, bro, he possesses a very, very strong intimidating. character. Eye contact enough he can intimidate almost anybody. That's just who he is. You know what I'm saying?

And so I realized that my eyes also have power too. So I'm not going to give you the power or the chance to even look me in my eyes. And so I know he wanted to look. He kept doing

this trying to look at me like that. And I'm just like, won't look at him. He was trying to mean mug you in court. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, him and Kim Porter's best friend. I don't even know her name. And they were just trying to intimidate me right in court.

And meanwhile, Justin is avoiding my eye contact, and I'm avoiding his or King Cones, etc. Anybody else, just out of respect, it's like we're not even trying to look, you over there. I see you over there, so I'm going to walk this way. It's a mutual respect. But them two, oh, Puffington's trying to like, you know what I'm not looking at him like bro

so you so you felt intimidation did you feel any anger when you saw him like this is the motherfucker right here man I hate this guy for me it was finally you you're answering to some of your actions bro you know what I'm saying for me

so I showed up to just to show strength and to remind them like yo bro remember you know what I'm saying just just a reminder and they've been out in the public slandering my name all types of weight. They made it like I lost my silver case. Little Rod lost just because the Rico was taken back.

They took back to Rico and then there's a few people you guys mentioned that was thrown out. It can come back, bro. It can come back. The Rico was taken away because something minor that my attorney, I don't know, some technical thing. You got to understand. Tyrone, this is this first time fighting in the federal. So you know what I'm saying?

He's taking some hits real time. He's figuring out. I was like, oh, the judge wants to see this. Okay, so we can bring it back later with this. But then you had people like Justin and, and, what's my man named? Cuba Gooden, who was dodging the process server for so long. So he had to, you know, he's basically got to bring it back later. So it was dismissed without prejudice.

You know what I'm saying? What about, there were a few other people who are, and I believe they were removed. I wondered why you thought they should have been in it in the first place. There was Lucien Grange. There was Habert. I forgot her name, but Habertit. She later gave you guys an affidavit, I know, a declaration.

Why put them involved if, you know, have you ever met Lucian Grange? Listen, it's in the law, so you know that. I don't know what you're on over there. But I'll just tell you that one of the reasons that we let them out was we found out that Puff defraud them. So we can't really put them as partners when the reality is he defrauded them. You know what I'm saying? Including universal because they were they were very upset. You saw it.

They were very upset. Yeah, but it was also like a mutual agreement that they, they, if I'm not, if I'm correct, they had a mutual agreement. mutual agreement with my turning and by letting them go that was just going to be that but we let them go then they tried to sanction us and lost yeah never listen that never hit the where's everybody's put where's TMZ hmm you all know that tims so it was a failed sanction on the path of you know let me speak about this because nobody's going to speak about this bro here brother Tennie Garragos is the daughter of Mark Garragos Who is with Harvey with a TMZ I personally

Wait wait what what? Yeah Harvey is with TMZ Right Tenny Garragos is Mark Garagos Uh, uh, daughter Uh huh And she's working on Puff's team So she would be telling Mark stuff

And then I've seen this with my own eyes and court Oh, oh I get what you're saying So Mark was doing a part podcast, Mark is, Mark Garagos is doing a podcast with Harvey Levin, and the daughter of Mark Garagos is Tenny Garigos, but there was a... I'm going to get the smoke out of here, bro. Nobody's going to stop me from saying this, bro. The reality is Diddy has been paying TMZ, and they've been shaping the public's eyes by using

TMZ, and TMZ been getting ahead of everything just to soften the blow because they've been knowing it's been coming his way. You and I both know this. So we're going to keep it real funky and say what it is. TMZ put down that Tyrone more on the process server

because of Fat Joe's case but he had a picture of me and Tyrone what does that have to do with me? So y'all trying to defame me and trying to take me and change the money. By the way, on the latest episode of Harvey Levin's podcast with Mark Garagos, it's called Two Angry Men,

Mark brings on Teddy. I've never seen a picture of her but Tenney walks on to the screen. with her father and Harvey Levin's there. So you're saying that TMZ got bought by Diddy. I'm not saying they're bought. I'm just saying they're all in the same vehicle together. And TMZ is helping shape the narrative in the public.

And they've been doing it this whole process, which is why everybody's like Team Diddy all of a sudden. They're outside having a baby oil party. You know what I'm saying? Outside of the courtroom, like, bro, let's just be real. Let's be real about this. You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to sing this on every interview I get on because it's not cool, bro.

Where's the integrity in any of this? People just do anything for money, but then they're looking at me like I'm up on a money grab. No, bro. Let's just be real real. They're going to say you stayed quiet for months. Why speak out now? The verdict is in. Why are you saying your side now on public interviews?

And will you continue to do interviews or will you go back into high? and wherever and wait for the trial. What are your plans? I'm outside. You outside with it. Time is everything. It wasn't time. You know what I'm saying?

Nobody can rush me to have an interview and talk. I speak when I get ready to. And reality is it wasn't time. I wasn't giving them the chance to know what's going on over here, what I'm thinking, so they can then get in and try to change that narrative. Well, guess what? They can't do nothing. Now he's convicted.

he's a two-time felon. They can't stop that. A jury found him guilty. So, bam. Hey, again, they were doing anything to stop me from letting us get to this day. Was this a lie? They claim this was, this is sources, and maybe this is the TMZ agenda. It says sources with knowledge tell TMZ, Rodney, aka Little Rod, is not one of the people federal prosecutors have called to provide sworn testimony.

for their federal investigation into the founders. So they were saying that they have not talked to you. You said you've talked to them five times. Why would TMZ print something that was opposite of what you're now claiming? Bro, I don't know. TMZ is fake news. Fake news. So that's just that, bro.

They got no integrity over there, bro. And I don't know what they call. like the group they all tied together bro you know what to call it but they all i don't know if we want to call them the lumini whatever it you know what i'm saying they all together bro you know what i'm saying they're shaping this industry and and they're protecting all the gatekeepers bro he's a gatekeeper wow go look at TMZ and watch our harvey is reporting um on puff all the time you can just tell like yeah he mentioned some bad stuff yeah because Because he already knows CNN is going to report that anyway or fox it.

So they're going to report it, but then shape the narrative a little bit. So whatever these things are, they're doing what the legal term is, softening a blow. So when a criminal is going to jail for the rest of his life, then the defense team, their job is to soften the blow. You know what I'm saying? Which is why they over there, hooray and hurray and calling the big win, but he got two felonies, and he's on no bail. You know what I'm saying? Because they have successfully softened the blow.

Again, there were a lot of, there were a lot of evidence that never made it to the court for some reason. Like what? Bro, I'm not going to get into that. Again, specifically because I don't know if they truly intend to bring more charges later, so I'm going to stay out of that way.

You know what I'm saying? So you see a world where the feds might come back with just more charges and just try to get out. I see a world where they can come back with more charges and with more people. We still ask them where it's KK. Maybe it may be when she's in, I don't know. But what I do want to do is get out of the way of that, which is why I really don't want to talk too much about it. But however, they successfully soften the blow for their client. And it's a win-win.

Look, if Didi beats this, Didi beats this. yeah but he's still in jail you know what I'm saying on no bail like what are we all talking about yeah and the only way to run away feeling that good is to know that they saved him

from getting some way more harsher than he should have and he could have gotten period I don't know if you believe he should have because you said anything else would have got him life I'm telling you what they're saying okay okay all right

allegedly whatever you got to do legally If I'm them and I'm protecting my client, this is how, you know what I'm saying, I will feel. So the reality is, it's not a win. You know what I'm saying? And in business, some people have said in business when you're doing a contract, sometimes the best contract on negotiations are when both parties are unhappy. You know what I'm saying? So this may be a situation where this is why they're looking at it as a win because they understand, well, from a different eye, both are unhappy. but the reality is he's not going to jail for the rest of his life the reality is the prosecution

was able to hit him with something so you know this is just how again i'm not a legal expert but i have paid attorneys you know what i'm saying yeah i got lots of them who uh are my close friends whether they're in defense or on the other side so um again just the just the triple down double down and I'll go another couple of rounds. TMZ is directly involved in shaping the public opinion in Puff's case. Interesting. Any last words here? I feel like, you know, obviously you have a pending litigation, some things that, you know,

I would love to get into the weeds and the real intricacies of some of the details, but, you know, you have a right as someone who is following a civil litigation to say, hey, we'll wait for trial. I think you gave a pretty good, you know, reasoning of how you feel about the case, how you felt about Diddy, how you felt about the whole entire time. And, you know, again, if you are indeed a victim, you have a right to go through this and process it any way you want. So, you know, I'm very actually fortunate to be able to give you a chance to speak out for the very first time since you filed anything you would want to say to people about any narratives floating around that may have just either pissed you all for you. like, wait, why doesn't anyone correct this? Or why doesn't people

acknowledge this fact here? I'll open the floor to you. Yeah, so I just said, I would see some of the things. And again, they've been out here speaking on my name. I had no publicist speaking on behalf of me. So what they've done is attack my attorney and then put a gag order on him. The defense.

Is your gag order on him in this case? It just got removed because it was a gag order until he was indicted. I'm sorry, until the jury came back with a verdict. So the reality is it was then when he started shooting all types of shots at me, knowing I don't have a purpose that's out here, and one of the reasons why I was scared to get one because I didn't know who knew him, You know what I'm saying? And who he was going to pay more, you know what I'm saying, to attack me backwards.

You know, he already turned somebody on my team. So I just stay quiet and take all, you know what I'm saying? All the back lies like UMG. Like, come on, man. Y'all know y'all over there paying victims from an offshore account. You know what I'm saying? Everything my attorney said was accurate. You know what I'm saying?

But the fact is they were mad because they were mad because, they were mad because. you know, we put them in a lawsuit, which now led to just pay attention. Has Drake ever sued UMG? You know what I'm saying? So now UMG name just popping up in everything. So for me, it's just like, guys, look, I've stated some things in my case about some things that happened to me, generally happened, and a lot of people said that I was lying. So far, everything that I said is checking out. I'm in a first. fight with very influential people who has power, who's been controlling the media for so long or spending money in the right places. And I just urge the people to support, you know what I'm saying, support me.

And meanwhile, I'm getting back to the music because that's really what I, that's really what I do. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting back to the music. I don't want to make this. Have you been blackballed? Absolutely. Blackball.

You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, it's all good. Do you feel like you name drop T-Pain earlier? I was thinking I'm like, if I'm ditty's people, I'm hitting up T-Pain, like, you working with this fuck, nigga? Are you ever scared about that? It's a touchy situation, so we'll just leave it. We'll leave it alone.

You know, I felt like pain was my friend. I don't know what we are now, you know what I'm saying? Has he turned on you, too? We'll just leave that how it is, you know what I'm saying? T-Pain coming on the show tomorrow. Like, I got to ask him. So I want to give me a chance to respond. Hey, listen.

Are y'all in a good space? Let's just say that. If he calls me, I'm probably not going to answer. Well, if he calls me, I'm probably going to answer. But if I call him, he's probably not going to answer. It sounds like you're cooking up the next lawsuit on T-Pain. Not necessarily. It's just...

So because you say now, you will not be suing T-Pain. Listen. You just... just like anybody else can never force me to answer. You know what I'm asking you to figure of questions. If he's not one of the people, you say there's two people you're contemplating final law, so you don't know if you're going to do it.

I'm asking you if he's one of them. If you can't say if he is or he isn't, only one could deduce he might be one of the people. I'm not thinking about him right now. Okay, you're not thinking about him. Okay, we'll take that answer. That's fair. That's fair.

Yeah. So, man, I just said, you know, there's times I feel like he's my friend and right now I don't know you know what I'm saying Does he owe you money? We'll just leave that alone you know what I'm saying for the time being

If I'm forced to have to talk about that Then I'll talk about that But at this rate we can leave it alone You know what I'm saying? We just came off a very very successful run On Coachella And stage coach And we did Carbone

And we did the DNC party We did the Hollywood Bowl, you know what I'm saying? All these things I orchestrated the music as a music director and musician, etc. And also did the Sunrose theme for him. Everybody's seen that and that kind of blew up. So everything he's hired me to do, I did my job successfully and that's just that. But I don't want to have to talk about that. I just want everybody to understand I'm back to the music.

I'll give you another opportunity. Do you want to apologize to Meek Mill for mentioning? him or no. I'm just the last time I asked. Because he's going to see this, they're going to clip it. You know they're going to clip it. And I want it, I want Meek to be like, as much as I want him to be like that fuck-naker academics,

he tried to get the truth and clear my name and Lil Rod would not clear my name. Listen, if I ain't back it down from Puff, who's a gay keeper, I ain't back it down for nobody. So you believe, did he and Meek Mill Bocetian? Understand this. You think, you think

meet male bisexual too? Because he's a gang. I've never, I've never, well, he took a little suspitcher one time, the little match and joined and the point was weird. I'm not. But I've never heard about him in sexual situations. I'm not getting into what his sexual

preference is. That's on him. But did he told you he was bisexual? Did he told you? But look, look, just ask him. Just ask him, is he bisexual? He said, he's not gay. He said, niggies in Philly. He said he's in Philly. He said he's in Philly. He said, he don't do that. Wait, hold on. So, but, but, so, but, so, man along he says he's not gay bro leave him so why did he tell you he gay then did he say yes

sex with him right well you're a slick brother wait wait you didn't make that up right you said did he's told you right did i say mcmill so it ain't me mill i'mick your name is clear finally clipping it's not mek it's not meke huh the rapper well you're a funny dude nick he only got three bodies so it's only one philly niggins again I ain't going to allow to you. Big Zoom, Meek Mill and so far. Don't smoke with him,

bro, or nobody else, bro. Okay, let's be clear. Meek Mill name. Meek Mill is not the gay rapper from Philly. It's another one, right? Yeah.

Just any creative, bro, just like, I ain't trying to be in smoke with nobody. I'm just trying to be cool, bro. And, you know. What's the first letter of a gay nigga from Philly? That's a rapper.

What's the first letter of his name? Like, we'll play Jeopardy from. You don't know I tell us no more. Just give us one letter. Just give us. Can I buy you an R? Wait, what is what name is it? Just give me the letter.

What's the letter the first letter of the gay rapper from Philly that did he don't fuck? Who is it? You so nuts, boy. Now, that's all we need. But you cleared me to statement. I should have read my history on you and him. No, no, no, no, no. Because I'm going to be honest with you.

I want it to, I want this to be clipped for it to be an olive branch with me and him because I have no agenda. I thought he was gay because he wouldn't answer directly and because I read your lawsuit. I did think there was such things he did matching outfits. Man calling you daddy in the pool, but that doesn't mean you're gay. If you're saying Diddy told you that he fucked meek, that's a direct witness. And you're sitting here with me saying, by the way, you know when you get to trial, they're going to ask you that, right?

Like, you know this is going to come out. And this is why I'm trying to say, like, I get you're being elusive, but you don't get to put that in a lawsuit. This ain't gossip columns. You don't get to put that in a lawsuit without them saying the veracity of your lawsuit. You said there's a gay rapper from Philly who did he fucked, who dated Nikki. That person is Meek Mill who has denied these claims. Also, nobody has, I haven't heard of any other gay acts that Meek did.

So this would be the first. Listen, my complaint is... Was he did he hide when he told you? Was he off that ketamine? I heard that ketamine make people do all type of stuff. Turn people into a freaky frog. Turn people to a freaky frog. You're that tossy.

My complaint was to the judge. It wasn't to y'all. The reality is I'm not knowing at the time that this is all made public. You understand what I'm saying? So all this wasn't to for everybody to go read and go crazy. It was new to me when it was just like, everyone. I'm like, yo, how are they pulling this? I had to ask my attorney, go, where are they getting this from?

I thought I was the only one here at this. Hold up, but you do know the way in how he files lawsuit is meant for bloggers like us to pull it up. The reason being is he has funny pictures. He has salacious details. It reads very entertaining like something to be like, I read his Fat Joe lawsuit that he filed against Fat Joe. That's one of the most entertaining.

I mean, I think there's a lot of cap in it, but it's so entertaining. I couldn't stop reading it. So it's one of those things where, like, put it like this. If you're following this lawsuit against Diddy, there's no reason for you to mention Meek Mill. Meat Mill has none to do with this. Like, why would you mention McMill?

Like, he has nothing to do with this. You mentioned an instant where there is blood in a bathroom that has nothing to do it. You're not accusing him of actually doing the shooting. You're just saying that goes towards the RICO statue, but like you weren't even a witness to it. There's a lot of things that you guys put in this lawsuit that is definitely fluff and is salacious. The R&B singer that was fighting over Frosted Flakes that performed at the Super Bowl.

Okay, let's act like that's not Usher. But why even mention that Did he fucked Usher? Like, why bring these up? And by the way, in the lawsuit, did you say or claim he fucked you? Bro. No, I'm asking like, are you claiming that he fucked you? You said he tried. He never fucked you.

I'm just paying attention how you. still manipulate back around and try to get the same, get an answer. And what I'm saying is- Sir, you filed a lawsuit, though. You filed the lawsuit. I've already answered these things. No, you didn't answer. You didn't answer.

In the lawsuit, you- Furthermore, when questioned on your complaint, you said, it will be, you said trial, and I said, okay, that's fair. I can't control how an attorney files their lawsuit, how they talk. You said everything in there you told him to put in there. So what is it? Let me straighten this out for you.

I can control how he put his wording, okay? I can control the fact that you guys can go and get a copy of that once is filed. What I was told to the judge, all I know is that's for the judge. And you're saying he's talking to y'all. He didn't say that. I don't know that to be true. So let's clarify that and fix that first. Who's talking to you know?

Who's talking about you? What do you mean? You say the way my attorney is writing it up, he's talking to y'all. I'm like, no, no, I don't know that to be true. Well, hold on, no. At the beginning of this, I asked you if the things included in your lawsuit is the true words and experiences and recollections of you, or is it your lawyer? You then later said your lawyer helped you basically process the day-to-day stuff,

which I don't know if you were trying to say he helped you come up with this or he helped you internalize it, which then led for you to write this. The whole point of what I'm trying to say is that if you didn't tell your lawyer, Diddy told me, Meek Mill is gay, Usher is gay. The fact that you laugh when I mentioned these things

almost tell me that, you know it's not true. You know, hold on. It's not about what you're saying. It's about it like, oh, me, it did tell me get up on your shoes. No, no, no, no. But no, no, but pull like this, let this. if I wanted to perpetuate this meat gay shit,

I would just be clowning it and whatever. I'm trying to say, nigga, you know you was capping about me. Did he never told you meek was gay. He never told you what she was gay. Like, that's what you're saying?

But when I ask you to stand on it, when I ask you to stand on it, you're saying, I can't control how my lawyer rights. I'm saying that Did he never told me whatever it is. What I'm saying is whether it was meat meal, whether it was usher, whether it was,

Who knows? He told you he fuck some dudes. If I said in my lawsuit that Diddy told me something, then did he told me something? What you're trying to do is make me say that it was Meek Mill. And what I'm saying is, I'm not saying that it is. I'm not trying to get you to say it's Meat Mill. I'm trying to get you to say the truth. One thing it is, I ain't no chunk, bro.

I take my word down to the grave, bro. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get you to say the truth. I'm never scared for a fight. I'm also just saying, bro. Okay, all right, let me ask you this question. I don't know my words, but I'm here to say, my words.

The way we got to hear was me explaining you. There's people who've been defamed me in the process, bro. Wait, wait. And the way we got. I got it out. I'm out here talking, and it's to clear some things. And if anybody, if anybody got a problem. Laurent, we got to this point. Who is a artist and anything?

Just put it on a rat. Because I'm done playing these lawyer games. I'm not trying to put you against me or anything like that. I'm trying to understand how some of this information came to light. I said, based on your complaint, there is a bunch of details and situations that got nothing to do with you and what you're claiming. I said, this reads like it's like, oh, let's tell you his whole business, not let's tell you what he did to me. So I ask you, and you said, well, how my lawyer writes this? Whatever.

So I think what I'm saying. Let me help you out. So basically what I'm saying is he used these tactics to try to coerce me to show me that in a music business, that this is the only way that you're going to be successful with getting on is by being bisexual, et cetera. You know what I'm saying? Okay. I hear where you at with things. Okay. Okay.

Because, okay, so you said this was a coercive tactic. Because when I read some of this, I was like, Oh, yeah, it's like a grooming. You know what I'm saying? Okay. And what was your response to all this? When he said it? Wow.

You said, right. Okay. I just wanted to clear that up for you so you can at least know how that came into play. But the rest is just going to have to be in trial, bro. Trial. Okay. All right. Yeah.

I think that's fair. Are we live right now? This is recording. Oh, we're alive. We're live. We got about 60,000 people in here. Just making sure. What are we live?

We're live on YouTube. We're live on Kick. We are live on Rumble and we're live on Metal. All right, cool. Because I really didn't do my homework with this. I just came in and do... No, no, I'm... I'm listening videos with you and I've seen some of your post and I just, I just think you're a cool guy.

I'm saying? I've read your lawsuit back in front. I've tried to verify everything's a detail. You guys have headless, first of all, your first initial complaint, which I do want to ask you about this too. And again, these are things that's going to be asked at court. And I don't know if maybe you need more time to answer these, but it's going to be asking court. You accused Did he of being around underage women. None of that came out in trial.

He was never accused criminally of being with underage women. You had pictures of women who later came out themselves to say, that's me and I'm grown. I'm 27. Why did you think there was underage women at his party? And again, what was your state of mind? Again, bro. They have successfully, well, not really successfully because the truth is being revealed as time is going by. But they have been out reshaping the public opinion during this whole process.

They hired private investigators to hold on a yacht. So I don't care, bro. The reality is nothing that they're doing is stopping this from seeing a judge. No, you will, but you're not answering the question, though. There's certain things, again, what we found out is that if someone says, yo, Ack, you did 15 things, and we found out that 12 things relies. The other three looks kind of crazy. So you allege the few things.

Are you saying that, for example, I said 12 things and only three things was correct? That's what you're saying? Well, I could point out over a dozen lies to you right now. Because it's probably going to be, it's probably going to be everything I did say was accurate and then some things hasn't. No, no, sir. It's very different. Most of the things you said, I will admit the feds tried to use, but did he actually spanked that case in federal court at least three to two? He got convicted of the-

He helped shape the public again. You accused a civil RICO. They filed a criminal RICO. E. B. DeRico. Some of the evidence and people have not seen the court yet. Where's Christina Coro? Where remains to be seen. You're right. You know what I'm saying? Where's so many people are dodging process services. You know what I'm saying?

So the reality is bro. You're still not answering this question though. You allege that he was with on. You said underage women were around these events in that time period. I'm just By the way, it's completely fine for you to be like, oh, I thought they were. I said this. Bro, I'm not backing down, bro. Let's go back. So you still believe they were underage women there.

Let's go back for the fourth time. Everything that I said in my complaint is accurate. No, no, but that's not true now because you took that out of the complaint. That's out of there. You're on a second amended complaint. The first complaint, I have both of them here. I have both of them here. I could quote you right now.

Pitchers? Anything that I said in my complaint is accurate, bro. Okay, so all right. So if everything is accurate, why would you remove the part about underage women? I'll, I'll do some reading for you, right? So you said, hey, listen, an event that happened on July 2nd, 2023rd in California at Mr. Combs' listening party, there was an R&B redacted. Justin Combs' sex workers and underage girls were there.

The event started at 7 p.m. Combs requested female sex workers. and required Mrs. Jones to solicit them. In addition to sex workers, there were five women in the crowd that were under the age of 16. He forced all the women to drink laced Delion liquor, and basically then Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy. Mr. Combs did not check the identification of the underage girls. The presence of these underage women made Mr. Jones uncomfortable.

He attempted to leave. Mr. Combs forced him to stay. I could post the pictures now. It shows Uno does the. Today is Quacho, and I don't speak Spanish that well. It shows four pictures that you put there with blacked-out faces of ditty kissing women who you claim are underage. I have three of the women Instagram.

They claim that they popped out. That's them in the pictures and that clearly they're of age. I could tell you the article that you could see because multiple outlets ran articles on the women who said, no, no, that's me in that picture and I'm over age. Why and where did you come with the unethicals? underage thing. And if you're saying everything you're standing on, why did you take it out of the second complaint? You should have left those pictures and said, yo, this is Diddy with the underage girl. You said they were under the age of 16. That to me is nasty. If that's true, Diddy should

not be coming home and potentially by Christmas. He should sit in jail till Christmas 30, 35. You don't believe that? If he was with underage kids and you saw it. Yo, what's your relationship with Harvey at TMZ? I have none. None. I have none. I have no deal with TMZ. They have asked me to come on there to interview a few times about the Drake rap battle, about Kanye, because I did an interview with them. I could talk to anybody about this interview with me? No, none.

Hey, listen. Number one, I'm just to let you know. I cover every trial. Hey, y'all. I subscribe to the docket that you fought against him. I'm on Pacer spending $3,000 a month seeing everything. I miss nothing. I have an interview with me again, bro.

You got to understand. Badger me ain't going to be it. It's not about badgering you. It's like I let you get some stuff off, but we can't just, this is not propaganda. We talk about this, but what we're not going to do is be disrespectful, King. So is it disrespectful if I'm asking facts? You asked me facts, and I gave you my facts. You said you're standing on everything you said.

A fast talk, you never gets anywhere. The other side finds out later, it don't matter. You can talk faster. It's not by talking fast. You said you stand on everything you said, and then I brought up. up that you remove things. Listen, I've given you quite a lot.

No, you have. You have said a lot. The rest will be... But this interview is not for propaganda. This interview is for us the public, not for Diddy, not for you, is for us to find the truth out.

I hear you. And after he gets convicted, I'm sorry, he's already convicted after they sentenced him. And after I go to trial on my case, I am more than 100% ready to come back and have a whole other interview with you.

I'm not running from interviews, but I told you, I'm going to do more, but I told you, you know what I'm saying? Certain facts regarding certain things specifically around my case, bro. We're not going to have that conversation right now. The only reason why actually because you told me why you removed some people from the lawsuits. I hear you, but also. So I actually why you removed that one of the most serious allegations, which is about. Did he's legal team have?

been spinning things different in the public eye and I'm not for the I'm not for the given the chance to try to get out of finagle out of a situation because I'm sitting here talking with you and whoever else may not I don't care you know what I'm saying that's fair I don't care listen a no comment always suffices we'll take what we will take what we what we seem appropriate from it um and the reason why I don't care because with with time and and when we go through the process. There's going to be a lot of apologies. Oh, bro. I've given some facts. I've said some

things. People said out of the court. It was true certain facts. It's like, leave me alone. Rod, do you think I'm being unreasonable, though? Like, I think this is just a really major fact. I just really do. I really want to know. Respectfully, I feel like you want some answers and it's fine, but I feel like you're not respecting the process of my space to get the answers. That's all I'm saying. Well, I I think it's in a... All these could be answers. Just not now.

But you don't think it's in a public interest for you to let the world know if you actually saw Diddy make out with children? You don't think that? You think you need to get your bag first before you could stand on the idea that you saw him fucking with children? I'm not thinking about money. You're saying trial. You have a civil suit.

Like, there's nothing going to happen at your trial but money. So when I'm saying all we want to know... That's not true. Let me tell you why. You can't send it back to jail. You can't send it back to jail on a civil trial, brother. If nothing happens doing civil, then why is he in jail right now? That's a criminal trial.

That's the only pending criminal trial he has. It was triggered from my civil suit, bro. So obviously when more evidence comes out during the process of a proxy exam or a jury trial, whatever it is, then based on that... So why allege that he was with kids, if you're not down to say, he was with kids? You took it out. I'm just wondering why you took it. it out. That's it. You took it out of the first complaint. The second complaint mentioned nothing about kids. You took the picture out. Listen, listen, we're going to call this a,

this can be the rap, you know what I'm saying? Unless there's any other questions that you like to ask me that specifically not based on an ongoing case, then we can leave it alone. You know what I'm saying? Well, I'll, I'll end up. Come back the next day, the day after that, if we have to talk about something else, you want to bring some other smoke that ain't got Nothing to do with my case. I'm here. I think it's best we'll conclude it with this last question. What is the next steps and give us a timeline?

Because I want to have a free and fair conversation with you. It seems like you're saying that I'm trying to railroad you. I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions. But okay, I would love to have the unfiltered conversation with you when your legal action, which is a civil suit, has concluded against Diddy. What's the next steps that we're waiting on? Obviously, we do know in this criminal trial. he's going to be sentenced in October.

What's the update on your case with him? What's going to happen next and what is going to happen next with you? So my judge has ordered both attorneys to talk settlement talk. So they're talking on August 6th, I believe, is the court hearing it. Maybe it's August 7, one of those court days. I don't have it in front of me. But from there, we'll know then what are the next steps. asking for seven or eight figures.

I'm allowing an attorney to talk, bro. You know what I'm saying? I gave my attorney a list of things and I'm not accepting a list of things that I will. And I just told them work within that scope. You know what I'm saying? Again, I have not been focused on that. And it's for a mental health state that you're choosing to ignore.

You know what I'm saying? No, no, I completely understand it. You know, but I'm always trying to understand. Like, it's only so much laughing that I can do before you start rehashing some things. And then that, that victim's side is going to come out, bro. And it's not a good side. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. I've been in therapy doing this whole process. It took four therapies to get me to where I'm at right now. And I just, I'm asking that you respect that. I'm asking that the public and the people around respect that as well. You know what I'm saying? People just want to have answers just so they can stop being nosy. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Right now, this is what's going on with us right now. You know what I'm saying? And it's so much defaming going on my name, which is why I came out to start talking. You know what I'm saying? But it's not cool, bro. At some point, like, we got to respect. You know what I'm absolutely? So do you believe that we'll have any valuable updates or maybe a conclusion,

maybe by the end of the year or maybe a year or two from now, you know, again, I completely have to respect some of your, I said, do you know when this might be concluded? Because the thing with civil cases, they drag on for a bit. Do you foresee this being concluded in the next year or two, or you're just like, whatever the attorneys do? Yeah, that's why I'm at with. It's like, I'm just respecting their process, bro.

You know what I'm saying? Just know that he's going to, he's going to, he's going to take every opportunity that he can to linger this on and not to answer to it. You know what I'm saying? And so just knowing that you in this, a fight with this type of guy, you just got to be patient and it's just prepared to go the longest route and toughest route. And it's going to be, you know what I'm saying, all types of fingers pointed at me. I call it the ditty foot sores.

I'm pretty sure some people in the comments is just trolling. You know what I'm saying? Probably. Yeah. You gotta be prepared to take some of that, man. You know what I mean? They was trolling me through the whole process and guess what? He's in jail.

He's not out. So I don't care. Go about your life and move on. You know what I'm saying? The reality is, bro, I got to live mine. I got kids, bro. I got to support mine. You know what I'm saying?

And be happy with mine. So at that rate, we're in a fight. It's a process, bro. I'm just prepared to go to long route with this. And this is what we're doing. So with that man said, I'm not 100% paying attention to every little detail that they're currently doing right now.

And this is for my mental help, period. Are you down to take it all the way and appear on the stand and testify against them? Oh, yeah. We'll go there You know what I'm saying All the way You said you couldn't look at him

While he was in court Have you Are you in therapy still Preparing possibly for that day I chose not to look at him On purpose You know what I'm saying And that was me

Saying I have the power To not look at you Or to look at you To give I'm only giving you the power To even communicate with me You know what that is Like I'm taking

I've taken back my power. You know what I'm saying? That you no longer have that type of power or possessed over me where you can control everything that's happening regarding my life. You know what I'm saying? I'm glad you, you know, got on here.

I appreciate you. You took some tough questions. I appreciate you. Do you plan to tell this story in any type of other way, maybe a book, maybe some other way other than interviews? You know, maybe not now in full,

but do you plan, you know, we've seen the Punisher, who was someone who was involved in some of the stuff that was accused of Diddy, he has a book. And I would imagine some of the jurors might write a book. Will you plan to tell your story of dealing with Diddy in an unfiltered way that you could control? Yeah, I have a book. It's called Diddy Will Diddy. I've been contemplating it, but I may drive it and may not. You know what I'm saying?

Doing this whole process, again, I have been writing and documenting everything during the process. So I was writing the book during the process. Everything that was going on. I was just writing it down. In professional form as well. Also, putting it on wax. You know what I'm saying? Recording all types of songs.

It's just talking about my life. You know what I'm saying? And so, for me, you know, I'm really on a positive, you know what I'm saying? I'm on a positive lane right now. I'm really on some just positive making great music, et cetera. I don't want no smoke. You know what I'm saying? I don't want no smoke with nobody

But I'm also not running from it You know what I'm saying? Yeah I'm not running from it So somebody want to drag me Then they just need to be prepared For what's coming What's coming next

I'm not going back down You know what I'm saying That's what it is This is probably the reason why Diddy call me today Like, you know If he apologized And like, do you want to work

No, I won't work on your album Because I'm working on mine You know what I'm saying Period Period. So I'm telling my story and that's just it. So, you know, it's a lot of, it's a lot of backlives for me just standing up

for what's right. But it is what it is, man. They, they took shots at Jesus. It's all good. I think that's an appropriate place to end it, man. Lil Rod, thank you for coming on here. You basically stayed on damn near two and a half hours. I appreciate your time.

Thank you for having the first conversation with me. I'll definitely keep in contact with your publicist as I'm pretty sure more info will come out about your case or come out about the trial or maybe things you could correct or even speak on a little bit more. And if you do choose to, you know, write a letter that will contribute towards the sentencing, we'd love to talk to you about that if you want to speak about that too. So I appreciate you.

Yeah, maybe if we do that, we can talk about that. Okay. All right. All good, my brother. Thank you for coming on. Hey, just keep your fair and squirre me, you know, always. No, of course. I will.

Hey, listen. I think I understand. I understand your demeanor a good amount. Obviously, some stuff I wish we could talk about more, but, you know, I have to respect the process and respect the fact. This process is patience, bro. We can come back and talk about all those things that we're not talking about now, bro. I'm always willing to do that, but sometimes patience is the key of life, bro.

We can't put a dagger in my plans, bro. And a lot of victims wouldn't have a voice right now had not I done what I've done. So we're just going to leave it like that. I appreciate you guys and y'all take care. Take care, my brother. All right. Yo, Jonathan, all right,

just send me an email, by the way. I'm going to get off here. All right, and just like that, people. All right, people. Listen, man. Chat, this is why we do what we do. Y'all got to watch a master at work. I work for three hours, man.

This is post-Didtri. Big Act still doing it. So, good, man. We had a good conversation. There will be a lot. more coming from that. I really only came online for that, chat. So I don't have too much for you.

I do know that we need to or we got to flush out this idea of an idea, but this new story about the mass shooting in Chicago. 19 people got shot. Four have been confirmed dead. There might be more people dead. We will speak about that probably a little bit later. I'll try to pop back on because YB is having a release. He's an album release and I want to pop up on and to hear the album.

Okay. So, chat, I'm sorry for the, I guess, is a short stream, but this is three hours and 30 minutes. So I'll catch you guys later, but I'll give you guys this piece of content that the entire internet could break down. Was he truthful? Was he, you know, by the way, he is in a current litigation. We have to give him that grace as well.

Did everything he say makes sense? Did he stand on everything he alleged in these lawsuits? Did you find him to be credible? Did you find him not to be? It's up to you guys, man. I love you guys. I will see you guys later tonight. Appreciate.