Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Cómo afrontar CONVERSACIONES DIFÍCILES

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

Las conversaciones difíciles son inevitables en la vida. Ya sea para expresar una preocupación, resolver un conflicto o comunicar algo delicado, el miedo a la reacción del otro y la incertidumbre s...obre el impacto de nuestras palabras pueden hacer que las evitemos. Pero, ¿qué pasaría si aprendiéramos a abordarlas con calma, claridad y empatía?En esta conversación con mi amigo Alberto Herrera en COPE, exploramos cómo prepararnos antes de un diálogo complicado, gestionar las emociones y transformar la comunicación en una herramienta de conexión en lugar de confrontación.Espero que estas claves te ayuden a afrontar con mayor seguridad esas conversaciones que has estado evitando.Ojalá este episodio te acompañe y pueda convertirse en una inspiración a la hora de despertar y florecer tu verdadero potencial.Página Web:  ⁠⁠⁠https://marioalonsopuig.com/  ⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/marioalonsopuig/⁠⁠⁠ Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@MarioAlonsoPuigOficial⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/MarioAlonsoPuigOficial⁠⁠⁠ Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2025: ⁠⁠⁠https://marioalonsopuig.com/gira-2025/⁠⁠⁠

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Starting point is 00:00:04 Before that you understand, you'll understand. How many conversations difficult
Starting point is 00:00:12 are in conversations amables, conversations constructives and creative. If really we
Starting point is 00:00:19 would be interested what the other person and needs and not just
Starting point is 00:00:25 what he doesn't what he and he and needs. This is a podcast for
Starting point is 00:00:35 those those people that They want to think in great, Sentire in great, and living in great. I'm the doctor
Starting point is 00:00:43 Mario Alonso Puch, I'm invite to to be with me this adventure of discovery and the development. Solo,
Starting point is 00:00:51 maybe I might get before, but we're much more much more very much. Mario,
Starting point is 00:01:01 good days. Good days, dear, how are you? Very well. Oh, yeah, to you have been
Starting point is 00:01:05 said that we have to have been to that we have been I've said and I've I've said you.
Starting point is 00:01:12 I've done that's done a pause and valorative I'm sure, sure, sure,
Starting point is 00:01:16 I'm not I'm said, I'm what I'm let's go let's go part,
Starting point is 00:01:22 conversations is difficult, I'm I'm a medical, as now have you have
Starting point is 00:01:26 to have to have many many many bad, when you
Starting point is 00:01:28 you have you have to when you you're to come to make a
Starting point is 00:01:32 problem how you how you affrontable that that the people,
Starting point is 00:01:39 is that, effectively, you know, you have commented very well, we can't make a public to do you do you
Starting point is 00:01:46 know, a certain end up this is a thing, it's a question statistically about.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Well, a percentage is a cure, a percentage not a etc. What we
Starting point is 00:01:59 don't want to do never the people in any situation is a verdict.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Because it is totally different. It's We know we have been situations very difficult to explain from the pure science, the ones have been there have been remedies that have remitied
Starting point is 00:02:16 in a form that we're medically, with the science, we don't know we can't explain. So, in second, there's a second place, not to do you know, not so you can't give an information in the middle of a passillo.
Starting point is 00:02:32 There is to look a city a little more amable and the the truth without compassion is crueled is to say, all, that's what you can't say,
Starting point is 00:02:44 oh yeah, this is that is the situation that we've got to make you know, because if it's so, you have to describe it
Starting point is 00:02:52 when you when you're with the family after the intervention chirurgic you have to do with
Starting point is 00:02:58 a sensibility with an amability with an affect that the quite and a yearro a situation that's quite difficult.
Starting point is 00:03:05 But that's I know is extrapolable to any conversation difficult. But all we have conversations
Starting point is 00:03:10 difficult, we know, we're things difficult to tell, to transmit, and to receive. And,
Starting point is 00:03:16 I think, we'll we'll we'll let's get a possible conversation difficult.
Starting point is 00:03:21 It's and how not that predisposition negative at the time of
Starting point is 00:03:25 a time? Well, we'll be, we'd we'd we'd a conversation
Starting point is 00:03:29 difficult like a that is associated to the MEDA the MEDA the
Starting point is 00:03:34 consequences if we have to offer a vulnerability that can go to that's
Starting point is 00:03:43 associated to a certain a certain inquietude in the fact of that when we'll
Starting point is 00:03:51 we'll we'll be a form that not that's that's that's
Starting point is 00:03:55 that can't be aira that generate a some that The conversations difficult
Starting point is 00:04:02 are in these two polarities. The ira or the the fear, the fear to what can be the question, the fear of the consequences that can't
Starting point is 00:04:09 have to be for the other part, the inquietude that is a enfabed in me that generate a down
Starting point is 00:04:19 in the other person and that still do you more the relation. So how I have to prepare
Starting point is 00:04:23 to be the receptor to be the receiver or the emissor in this case of a I'm a message,
Starting point is 00:04:32 difficult. Well, look, the most important, although it's altering the
Starting point is 00:04:40 perception that I'm of the situation. For example, if I go to a person
Starting point is 00:04:44 with a time, because he has done a that has been offensive or me has perjudicado,
Starting point is 00:04:52 although it is a very to say, not going to be a just just the
Starting point is 00:04:59 words that that are that's not my form to look my tone in the voice
Starting point is 00:05:06 is that we're we're we're those those discovered in the university
Starting point is 00:05:12 parma in 1996 the equipment of Ritsolati Fogatza called Neuronas
Starting point is 00:05:17 Spejo that are capable to capture that's so at the
Starting point is 00:05:21 level inconsient but at the not mean that not
Starting point is 00:05:24 not not they're can't they can't the sentiment
Starting point is 00:05:29 real, the person, is to say, if I'd say, I'd like to
Starting point is 00:05:34 know how you're but I'm doing a lot of a lot of these
Starting point is 00:05:39 neurons are to be able to get to and the person, in the person,
Starting point is 00:05:43 in the person, I'm interested legitimately for how it's, will
Starting point is 00:05:50 be to to be a tension, will a fact to be
Starting point is 00:05:54 a factor in that conversation. For that's... It's the most... It's the word of those those words we have to
Starting point is 00:06:02 have to be said well-ditche or not, because you know because we're associable something to do not. Yes. So,
Starting point is 00:06:08 especially, from where we say, if I'm saying, if I say we're going to talk and so I
Starting point is 00:06:14 don't know an tone imperative, no, it's, you know, it's, you know, I'm, in afto, and it's a fact that. transmit us here, because when a person is put in a situation of defense, because it's in danger, in that moment, there are changes
Starting point is 00:06:37 very important in the riego of the brain, and the cerebrough decapting a information fundamental. The cerebrough put in march a patrones automatic of defense that robin part of the riego sanguineo, that would have to go to the part
Starting point is 00:06:52 of the corteza prefrontal, the part more evolutioned in our Cerebro, that is precisely the that we can't connectar, the that us permit empathize, the that we can't understand what the other person us wants, and it's position in a
Starting point is 00:07:07 in a situation in that we activate other mechanisms where we're constantly filtering the reality in a time that the only that we're preoccupied is that what in that in that moment we're perceivism that we're going to, and that's what does is to
Starting point is 00:07:22 augment the distance. For so there are that the good intentions for resolve something in a communication, if that communication, that conversation
Starting point is 00:07:33 not is prepared, generate a more distance. What I know is if they're because, even with good communication,
Starting point is 00:07:41 not you have to get to a state in the that you get to someone to get to
Starting point is 00:07:45 there are occasions that is not, but there are some of some there's there
Starting point is 00:07:49 problem that's when we only we're communication in moments of crisis, in moments of urgency, and not we don't have communication habitual. So, if you want to enter a process of communication or
Starting point is 00:08:04 you want to establishes that conversation, when no has been encounters previous, when only you connectas with that person in moments of crisis, in a moment of difficulty, well, it's like the person that not has trained in certain things
Starting point is 00:08:18 and of the and the need to be the level of the situation more
Starting point is 00:08:25 difficult. I mean, I did a program very interesting in Boston about the
Starting point is 00:08:31 thing about the negotiation. It's the program more sophisticated
Starting point is 00:08:34 that is the one of the things that they were that they were that they
Starting point is 00:08:41 had been that many people that were to processes of a process
Starting point is 00:08:45 to a process of negotiation very complicated. They didn't even them they're in they're in a form automatic
Starting point is 00:08:50 would be a creativity and then it's all the contrary if you don't you prepare the things what's all
Starting point is 00:08:56 is the creativity what is the activation of patrones reactivos and of pure automatisms.
Starting point is 00:09:04 This is what you say and again that's that you're saying you're going to you're going
Starting point is 00:09:08 you're you're going to have you're going to you're to say much things And when you get you to your
Starting point is 00:09:15 house and say, me caching the masala, that no I've said I'm in the head to the because at the whole for the impulse,
Starting point is 00:09:20 no? Well, we know we we're not we're trying is in a period of resolve what
Starting point is 00:09:27 has been stropeing during much time. We have to have an objective clear in
Starting point is 00:09:33 that conversation. We have to understand what is what we really we're really things.
Starting point is 00:09:40 For example, we're we're to understand what a person is the relationship to a a determined that has been, to some way,
Starting point is 00:09:50 affect to our, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, our objective is to know what that someone really needs.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Our objective could be that someone entienda how we know, how we're respect to
Starting point is 00:10:04 or that we can that we're that we're not being being covered. What the most part of the
Starting point is 00:10:13 most part of the other times surprisingly our conversation not is a
Starting point is 00:10:17 focused to the really we're to be to get to put our
Starting point is 00:10:23 other person or to defend us the point of the other person
Starting point is 00:10:30 that's that's express us not that's expression that
Starting point is 00:10:34 that's not that's we're we're we're a predispos tremendous
Starting point is 00:10:40 so that's that you take an idea I one of a one I'm a,
Starting point is 00:10:43 a supertom in, in, in, he said something, he said, he said,
Starting point is 00:10:52 no me never, and has to have a benefit for both parts.
Starting point is 00:11:15 If I think the other part is my enemy, you know the phrase, the enemy
Starting point is 00:11:19 and then what's what I'm that I'm that's that person never more never more
Starting point is 00:11:25 to be to make that I have used that he has been that I've
Starting point is 00:11:31 got I've got to it. It's a lot something something
Starting point is 00:11:36 something in the conversations. In the conversations many times we're
Starting point is 00:11:41 to point of view. To readchazz the point of the
Starting point is 00:11:45 other person, not we don't not we know what the other person
Starting point is 00:11:50 and needs and he need to Steve Covey who was a great man
Starting point is 00:11:54 said he said before that you understand you understand how
Starting point is 00:12:00 conversations difficult many are conversations amables conversations construct
Starting point is 00:12:07 and creative if really I really not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not to interest know what the other person, sheented and needs, no, not just
Starting point is 00:12:21 what he thinks or he has to, but, no, no, no, not? Not to have them, is much better than to have, no? I mean, to say, evite that conversation, difficult, and comersetelo to you know, so, yeah, for one, for a, for a reason, very, very, very curious. The mind, um, has been, um, um, um, is it has been, um, um, um, um, you know, it has been, Descrited and discovered Has been many years
Starting point is 00:12:43 And that Error is in the base of all the suffering that we
Starting point is 00:12:47 experimented So the mind needs information and if no has information
Starting point is 00:12:53 she it inventa if I have a conversation and
Starting point is 00:12:57 in that conversation really I look as an explorer
Starting point is 00:13:01 interesting and curious and to understand what the
Starting point is 00:13:05 other person live experiment or Sient, I'm receiving an information
Starting point is 00:13:11 and, for a time, not have to invent another information. But if
Starting point is 00:13:16 I don't have that conversation, the mind has to inventors an information and assume
Starting point is 00:13:23 that is real, although it's a pure spegism and a pure
Starting point is 00:13:26 invention. The curious is that here is where the error of the
Starting point is 00:13:29 mind. The error of the mind, what is that is that information
Starting point is 00:13:33 that is a information that support, solidific potency, my point of view, and not
Starting point is 00:13:43 the buskedom of the fact. The information always has more power than the opinion. The information
Starting point is 00:13:51 to get to the know of the world, while the elucubration, what you get to
Starting point is 00:13:57 the ignorance. Totally. That interesting this you have said. There is
Starting point is 00:14:01 a issue about that I want to I want to I think that's
Starting point is 00:14:05 something something. Sure, being not is the not the same is a very much of being there's an
Starting point is 00:14:12 authentic sincericida for there is what I said you before before information not something or something
Starting point is 00:14:18 or something or something or something or something you the truth the right
Starting point is 00:14:22 right you you when a person is sincere is saying
Starting point is 00:14:29 something something something that for that is relevant what not
Starting point is 00:14:33 implica is that have to have to tell to tell you all
Starting point is 00:14:36 your life. That's no, no, no, no, it's
Starting point is 00:14:40 saying, you you you can you can't you know,
Starting point is 00:14:44 but not you don't say that you can
Starting point is 00:14:48 reserve certain you know what you do say, you
Starting point is 00:14:52 totally. Another other other other is that you know, you
Starting point is 00:14:55 say, you know, you know, you're that's very frequent and
Starting point is 00:15:00 create something, you're , you're giving support and solidize
Starting point is 00:15:05 something, that in the fond of you know, you know, you know, you know, so it's
Starting point is 00:15:11 what you're saying, then it's a fact a exercise of reflection, of much authenticity,
Starting point is 00:15:15 of much honesty, to be to make that with what frequency we're so
Starting point is 00:15:21 and so how much the problem, the problem, the difficulty, the error in the other person
Starting point is 00:15:29 and the difficult to recognize it in one. But that has to
Starting point is 00:15:33 have to have an application scientific, Mario, because it's involuntary, and it's involuntary, and he's a lot. Sure.
Starting point is 00:15:39 It's, for sure, everything, for the whole, it's a, one, a, explanation scientific. I mean, the
Starting point is 00:15:44 explanation is very simple, and at the way has his Aquel, no? The explanation is
Starting point is 00:15:50 that the most of the cases, who is having the conversation with the other
Starting point is 00:15:56 person, no, you, no, is our ego, and our ego,
Starting point is 00:16:02 has to be sure of that we're in the ceguera that the reality that we're the only reality is the only reality
Starting point is 00:16:08 and it's indisputable for that surge soberbiah in that conversation I have so you're
Starting point is 00:16:14 so much then you start one to get a little to do that a piece and it's
Starting point is 00:16:19 because the ego is because the ego is a structure mental very very danina
Starting point is 00:16:25 with that we know we're we're and when that ego is he sent eried
Starting point is 00:16:30 what he is to understand to the other person, what you look is to deliver the offence, buska, then it's, car, we,
Starting point is 00:16:39 we know, we're a tremendous ceguera. For that that capacity to park the ego, is fundamental.
Starting point is 00:16:48 There, in Denver, in Colorado, there was a gynasia of Aikido, that had a,
Starting point is 00:16:53 a, a, a, a, a special, the, that put before,
Starting point is 00:16:59 before, or no, I said, "'Juntal with "'tas "'withes "'withing the tatami, "'not can't enter with
Starting point is 00:17:06 "'withes "'dehack here "'t your ego. "'C., "'not enter "'in the tatami "'with, "'because then
Starting point is 00:17:16 "'vac, "'you're going "'a "'of a series "'of, "'of, "'that are "'to be
Starting point is 00:17:22 "'that you "'gannes "'and the other "'Pierda. "'Con, "'you can't "'a' "'No,
Starting point is 00:17:28 "'to be a connection, you're going to to lose what is the spirit of the Aikido in this case. So, then it's what's the same. When you enter in a conversation,
Starting point is 00:17:37 deja your ego in the door. And what is to have the ego in the door? It's to judge-to-
Starting point is 00:17:42 and to leave the pasto out. Because if you have a person and the
Starting point is 00:17:48 etiquette always is on the past, or it comes to you, you're
Starting point is 00:17:51 to make that person that person is a little you not you to make, in your form of
Starting point is 00:17:59 You're even You're not You're He's You're You're start The etiquette That's
Starting point is 00:18:04 You're You're You're You're I'm going to Like I'm Like I'm Bruce
Starting point is 00:18:11 Lee in an Annuncelio No I said Ver the things Like for first
Starting point is 00:18:15 Libera the person of the etiquetta And veras Al human But for
Starting point is 00:18:19 That's I can To get the Ego in the Puer I'm
Starting point is 00:18:23 I'm I've seen Converses are People are tremendously
Starting point is 00:18:26 sabies because are very humildes and they're something that's they're
Starting point is 00:18:31 they're in they're in they're in the disposition that's about that's a person who he's about
Starting point is 00:18:38 and know all what you know what you good good advice oh yeah these conversations are very
Starting point is 00:18:45 sincere but very sinceres I think they're they're they're well we're
Starting point is 00:18:49 we're we're we're we're actually we're we're we're that much
Starting point is 00:18:54 of the suffering that the human experimented It has to be with the relations. The same that's that the element
Starting point is 00:19:02 clave in the felicity are the relations. The element fundamental in the infelicidad also are the relations when you don't have good relations,
Starting point is 00:19:12 when not you see accepted, not you feel accepted as well as you know, you're constantly judgeed, criticated,
Starting point is 00:19:21 etc. And for that's so important to give us the relations and naturally to the conversation.
Starting point is 00:19:27 I love. I enjoy much. Mario, a minute. A minute. A minute. A great. A bravo. Oh, jala, this podcast you have liked and could convert into an inspiration at the hour to display and make flourer your a very potential.

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