Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Cómo calmar la ansiedad y el ruido mental

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

Cuando la mente no encuentra descanso, cuando no sabemos cómo detener ese diálogo interior constante, el miedo y la ansiedad empiezan a ocupar cada rincón de nuestro ser. En esta conversación que hoy compartimos, te invito a reflexionar juntos sobre cómo recuperar la serenidad, y cómo vivir con mayor presencia.A lo largo de este encuentro hablamos de esa ansiedad que tantas veces nace del exceso de futuro, del ruido mental que nos impide habitar el momento presente y del miedo, como raíz profunda de muchos estados de sufrimiento.Reflexionamos también sobre la importancia de cuidarnos, de pedir ayuda sin sentirnos débiles por ello, y sobre cómo la práctica del mindfulness puede convertirse en una vía poderosa de transformación interior.Porque no se trata de cambiar lo que nos ocurre, sino de cambiar la manera en la que nos relacionamos con ello. Lo que se resiste, persiste. Pero lo que se abraza puede empezar a transformarse.Descubre el curso Conecta con tu mejor versión y fortalece tu autoestima con la metodología Reinventarse: https://www.marioalonsopuig.com/reinventarse/?utm_source=youtube🌐⁠⁠Página Web⁠⁠📷⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠📲⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎟️⁠Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2026

Let's suppose, Esther, that none of us would you do you want to do? What would you? Coges the mobile? Maybe. Kittas. Maybe to say,

not I'm sorry. We'd have to put focus on the important, that is we're not to us and to us and that really all over something and that we can

start to what's resist, what is what is abrata, it's transform What the past is that has that has been much work,

the effort and things that we're going to do, but well, we're in that we're going to ask,

ask you, ask you, ask what you to get to get to get to you're going to get a

mindfune in instead of that I think that I think it helps that I'm

new edition of conversations with the Dr. Maria Lunsopuch today we're some marvellousous

invitators that also have been of of cities distinct of Spain and we're to board a

theme that I think could be of much, much interest for everyone. It has to be with the attention

plenna, it has practices today so known as mindfulness and it has to be

with the health mental. We're together to explore some of these

things and the major level of profundity that we're

to To this session, who wants, in this sense, launch the first question for that explore something? Recordes that these questions, we're going to

this question that's relevant, not only only it's not only the interest or the curiosity intellectual, but the

desire to find a response to certain different to our times. I'm,

for favor. Well, well, I would want to talk about about the

process of to be to be in a a quadro of depression and anxiety. I've lived in a first person from March of this year. I'm, I think the health problem

that we're to make us responsible and, well, I'm met with the course of and a part of there,

me with a tool to and to start to and I'm here, I'm preoccupy that that,

as a level individual, what path we need to see, both in the diagnostics, as in the treatment, as I think that even could recet a mind-fewner

in instead of being a child. That I think that helps more. So, well, that would be the...

Very good. Much great. Let's be. You're, you're talking a time that inquiet to level global, is

It's not at a level more local or more of the country, but at a level global for the amount of rent abrumator of situations like those that you comment as in persons that have a life, many of times, in any any any, any, any, any, any, any, and, and, however, we've

that this is more frequent, no? So, I think the first we have to do is to terrisar. A-a-beckyreyser. A few, we're going to to get it to a level very global and we're going to be in our circle of influence. It's to say, how you,

that's supering a situation or has supered, or has supered, or depression, or, or that you really, you can't pass to the next level and how we can help in our circle of influence that, that maybe there are some people

that are passing for the same situation, how to help us to reduce this that not is the pain, the condition human,

is something that's something that that's a sensation that's a difficult to get,

as a problem, as a anxiety, of a indusiness, then we know,

first, independently of the course that you've what you've what you did,

first you define the situation to partida, the point A, as a situation of anxiety

or depression? I think that is anxiety. And what does think that? The level of edictre. And, well, as well, it's not

diagnostica with an analysis that I think could, because we have to be making a lot of the diagnostics of a subjective

of a professional that I think that also that also I'd like I would know, and apart, physically, evidently, I mean, me affected not only only emotionally.

So, the diagnostic of the stress or the level of anxiety, no, we know. And, and, we don't know the importance of that that that can affect to a level of health. And then you need to take decisions, of, well, this is as important

is like to paring all and to to be in care me because it really can be catastrophic. And a question, I'ma, if you could use only a word to define the point of part- we've put a ticket, anxiety, but from your experience personal in that moment,

you what you think that what the word define the anxiety? For me it was a a threat, Atroft, of paralyz A fear A-to-a-k? A-todoo?

A-to-a-to-a-to-a-all-a-all-a-all-a-all-a-all-a-a-all-a-all. Yes. Yeah. Well, the anxiety is a in general that is a very associated with the future. It's a is a projection in the future of a problem and simultaneously project us our incapacity to resolve it. Correct.

So, we're just to suffer. So, it's a fear of what can happen is a fear of what can pass. It's prima-armana of the depression. The two compartes like the cortisol, that's the hormone of the distress, of stress chronic.

So, that's at the point A. Now you're saying that you're better, correct? Yes. In what has changed? In all. I mean, I'm a businesser. I've dedicated to productivity. I've never been pared.

Now I've pared and no I'm afraid. So, in other situation, no me would have been allowed and I'd have a level of anxiety of high to think that it will pass tomorrow. And independently of courses, of what

whatever is what has helped to you more to pass to that's of that of a state of a state of a greater

of a greater serenity? Well, have been various factors. In first to permit me to pay help,

the permit me to care me and to and do And to do all the things that I have puttas

with people. What did you have to do? What did you have to do? Toca fund. If I don't have done. To be a fond. This is very important because

many times not be a help because to ask a help it is a vulnerability unacceptable. And one you now

pay help when is awoging when no can't more and there are people who, there's people who, sadly, no pitted any in that level. In some way, we associate us to ask us to be a

little thing, of being people limited, like if something in us would have been a veriado, like if were we're a a relock defectuoso. So, the first, you had to talk a fund.

What have you needed to, for to pay help, without having to to talk the fund. Now, I don't see that never to

that's now what was what I was a now I would now I would I would

I would would I would not get to that this situation. This is very interesting,

because when you see, when you subes your normalis the people, you know, you're

of anxiety or depression, even to pay help, has another connotation, that no has nothing to be. It's not a natural, it's something a normal. This is very important

because the states mental are constantly present in us. This woman, why now is why now has a perspective that before you

had a like if you'd that's the is the house, and then you see a lot of you, imagine that all

we're not just we're the people that we're the people that we're imagineate that we're in a state of anxiety. What do you to us say to us to us to help us

to start how you're going to that you? I'm sorry I'm one of you thank you for what that I'm one of them that I'm one of you

what you'd say what you'd say Well, a see, we'd have to put a focus on the important that is care of us and we're doing to us and care of us

and that really all over something and that we can't be a process I now feel even gratitude for what I've lived because I'm in

other plan and I'm trying to and I'm discovering things so, then it can pass from

that's state to another state completely distinct. Fidate that you've talked, in the first part of your of your commentary,

in this second part, three elements important. You said that one of the things that you did was to help out of your quad of anxiety was that you've been that's been that's a lot of the

state, grand part of the states of depression have to have been with a discurricular. With a with a,

no, not to be physical, or not a level mental, or not to be a level animic. It's a dis-cuitarses. But I've also things interesting. For example, what have

said? I've said gratitude. Gratitude. The gratitude is an antidote of the MEDOTHAO. FIFFER-U-Sty- when one is in an state of anxiety or depression, so focus,

attention vira automatically to what he has to what no he has and maybe

to the never that's that's all where you put your attention are your

emotions when you when you elige gratitude and you start to change

your focus it's impossible to enter in a anxiety

and depression when your focus is in the gratitude

and And, of, it's a, it's a tendency to to go to the negative. Yes, but, no, no, you, look at what there. No, no, no, but, no, you're, look at what there. So, the gratitude, the gratitude.

Fijae, what interesting. The anxiety and the depression are associated with a cause of the system immune. It's more easy to get a infection. They're associated with an empeoramination of the health cardiovascular and in an alteration of the metabolism. What is more. What is curious, the gratitude is associated with a

with a better in the function cardiovascular, with a more of the system immune, and, for example, with a a more than the control of the hyperglycemia in the diabetics. I mean, that's what when one is changing the focus, it's changing to the biology.

And what has said that you've said, I've said, I've said, I'll give a help, the gratitude, well, and to be responsible, yes, to be responsible. There are much of the next. There are

people, although it's a lot of what I'm going to say, that each one will explore, that enter in a quadro depressive is the only way to have the person around. No do it a proposit.

No, they're doing fully conscientious of it, but how are you? A little better, a little bit more, but a little. So, oh, when a person takes responsibility, then,

even it's a start a create their emotions and you

have started to create your own your and a example of that

is that we have done. It's that if if you want

a person with a long life what has

you don't you don't ask to ask to

the how combat the a new, how you're sands, look at a person in Alcalade

Guadayra, for example, that is a great thing that's a minute and he's there and he's there

and is a marvellousous or seeing your place and you're so you do you, and then

there's how you're just these three elements are very important today. Today, it's a

something natural, fruit of a vision intelligent of the life. Well, and what more things we want to explore? Esther. I'd like, Mario, what we we can't with all the know of the knowledge and how we've known the mindfulness?

To me, something that would be a support to our societies for our young and adolescents, what advice you'd for that addiction to the mobile they'd many times the living the moment? I mean, for the entourno I've

very, I've very the dependency to the technology, and with what what, that we, for example, practicable, we've, it's like very very long. I don't know

if... Let's see. It's a question a super important. I logically not can

give advice, no- I'm not who can explore this. Let me suppose,

Esther, that none of us we'd that we could be to start to be,

we're five, and to you, we're completely displaced a, displasable

and ignored, what would? I'd that I'm that I'm that I'm here. No.

That's, that's here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. What else are you? What else would you? Well, possibly, I'd

would ask me, the why? It's an or, why? No. And if you don't

you'd not you'd do you? Cogent the mobile? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe. Perhaps. Because, to say, not I'm acoges, but not I've seen people who've been

not so young and not young, get to a new when probably they're not they're put in,

they've put a little a lot of a question to let's see. We're we're

very much about the tract mesolimbic of what what means and of how to

do this. We're we're a circuit mesolimbic, it's mesencephalo, and he goes to the system limbicic, especially to a nucleus

that's called nucleus accumbens. So, in nucleacumbens receives the dopamine that gets from the mesencephalo and experimented a sensation extraordinarily placentera. Not is the pleasure of the recompense, it's the

pleasure to anelar the recompense. No is the the visit of the voyage, it's the thinking in that marvellouso-vias that you're going to do.

And it's certain that the technologies activate that tract mesolimbic to that to that produce a great addiction. The question is, what is really anewaned the human? Because what the human really annail is not to put the mobile in the earja until that he's angre the earer. The human manila another thing. What anela?

Well, anela, if you're with us others, annelas, first, that we that we're that we second, that we're

in the third, that we're we're in third that we we're we're

we we're in fifth that we we we're we're

we we're we're you you're you you're to be

part of the group. To be think it has 150,000 years when we're

we still we're still in the caverns and out of them, if you the group you'd have, you're you're still, you're you're not to do. You're not to do. No, you could't live in the intemperia. So, what occurs?

That's ancestral, that's ancestral, live in us. What occurs? That's a person needs to connectars. And the mobile is a system of connection. When do you use?

When the other you falla? What we're seeing not only is the Apego, something very colorido, as the technology, something very attractive, as the technology, is the consequence of a vacuum profound. A few times we call about the soledity of the ancients.

And there are to talk of it, naturally. Also, of the solidarity, the soledity of the people in general. of how so only is a human when we

that the group neither he makes attention, and he mustra a value of and he

defy it and he he'll and he does but that one is

that we can we can go to remedies more more more

rapid that is so that so it's so it

so it's totally distinct to do a thing because they're doing to do a

because you do it. And the other is really to start to show to the

people that we're interested when is a child in a time,

then dedicate time, dedicate attention in other to be

in what one he interests and then what would

that would they're in conflict the two the

two forces And what we're, that what we do we're in, it's this voluntal of encounter, no can be substituted to that

voluntar of encounter for a simple distraction at through the mobile. So, what we're, what we're seeing that we're doing

today is a problem in the attention. Of course, the region dorsolateral of the Cerebro, which is the fundamental, is it

is a debiliting, and with those are debiliting functions like the intelligence, the creativity, etc. If you're

you know what is what we pass much times not this person is that any me this person is that is that he may preste attention is that he's he's not

he's not his head floating in other things you know we're not we're not we're

not we're for the other person to me me me it is easy it not

is easy to find space to learn because I think you like you have

a agenda a quite was much more young, my kids' little, a few years, a few years and they'd

to be able to talk about to be a attention was a attention to complete m'nment, cumpliment. He says,

say, see, say, see, in the fond, what I wanted to go to my,

a, my, a, a, book fascinating about how how to listen to

really. And so, that was for me of an attractive absolutely irresistible, because here

I'm to find the formula to know how how to to hear of really.

And here I have the possibility really, not of know, but to do it,

and I am going to pass. What message transmit? A, well, a,

my son, I can transmit, the message of, I'm in second place.

The person that I know with the capacity major to hear to

the levels indescriptive, the I, the city of Los Angeles

in California, When I asked, why I heard, that it was like something of a quality magic, he said, Mario, when I'm sitting with a person, in that moment,

that person for me is a person for me is a whole my world. One creak that if is so dearly and devalued, he will give

the same to the mobile? No. So, to have in that when a person no has something, it's immediately

to isolate, and get us, and then you have the mobile. I'm going to to present attention. This is very important because, now,

the intelligence artificial with that capacity of imitation of the voice human and that has many things

valiosas and useful in the intelligence artificial, we have to be cautous to not consider that

that is that will to substitute the importance of the encounter between the human, that also has an impact on the genetic, in the epigenetic in all parts. It has a good sense?

Yes. No, no. I want, as a society, and to support the society a little, the addiction to the mobile, so of the young and adolescents that I have around, a little, that they're in other vision of the life, that they can

to put a attention plenna in in other... Yeah, and I'd I'd say, I'd like is Esther, the addiction of the young

and of the not-tank young. It's important that we know one the simple effect of putting the

mobile over the table, even is a problem, it is a only effect of

put her there. No, no, I'm I'm not you're not you're not you're not

Many of us. We're the adults, those that we see in the people young, the addiction, and we know

we're not we're going to we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not young, are they,

are all their own their mobile, so that's that's very frequent. So, so,

to say, to say, to say, to the society entire, so, so it's so,

so, correct, thank you, thank you. Thank you. And for With this sector, also, so extraordinary, we have some question?

I see that I wanted with it, when we're talking about groups, where we, we know that capacity to direct a group, that responsibility, so, that's a lot of situations where you see that the world is very competitive. Every other the people are more retarded, intentating to get something,

if it's in the ambit of the innovation, of the creativity, and technology, Well, I'm more, but I what I see is that many times, not they're doing good results, because the people are very competing in their, in a bit of a objective common, even if you do it, even if you do, even if it's even written, they're at the final,

they're in a mode of competition with the companion, that that's evita, that's really, that's can do something in a keep, it's something like interior to the person. It doesn't depend on the project Common, not depend, but there is where I see that's in that

even of anxiety of an anxiety for compete, of the fault of asking to ask you, because they're questioning

they're not to recognize that vulnerability. And that me, me, me, I'm very,

very complicated. And I know how... Louela, you're a woman, obviously, obviously,

um, no intelligent, and, and, you know, a profession that's a level of

knowledge very important. I'll make a question, is intelligent to do you need to

the accelerator and the brake? For nothing. For nothing. And you can't have

a coach very potent, a coach very capable, and even as you, if you

have you do you do not to get the place, that you want to

that's what we're we're we're not we're because we have the acerado and the fren no one of the

the end of the freno effectively the accelerator is the passion the enthusiasm the vision and partied the desire

of evolution to contribute to make sure is the acerator what is the front is the not the competitivity but the rivalidad

the envidias the the celos the fears the angusties the anxieties I'm I've two

professors that me marked much as syrujans, the two exceptionally good. One of them was a person that operated frankly

well, but in a second there was a rival. What the most he important was being the only capable of

certain operations. Ser, like the most great of all. And I knew another that was

objectiant much more greater, a class of the universities more the world, that was the

contrary. Not was the rivalry, so it was the environment. So, the environment was

that the people are that the people have the people not do what they the

people do. There are many people people who are people who want to

do you want to get to the good, it's moment in which they put in a person that a person that

in the other to impulse her, in the place to puttencearly, you're going to to be a sunbra. But this is

something that not a most to show, and but I think the things, although of

aspects are feas, when they can't try, they can resolve. So,

no, then I what I would What message is what message is that mandating? What does

when a person has done the potency, the anima, he does the recognition, go to a reunion and

let that that person be the and says, no, no, the medallels are for me. And when a person

commit an error, the unde, does leon the leon of the tree or he has to

be that that has to be, resolved, that has capacity to resolve it and he does the protagonist for that he'll resolve. I don't to do it resolve. So, quite, what we've seen that

that fail in the equip is the leadership. It's the leadership. So, we're... All we know, I don't... I don't... ...tank not...

...tano not even ...theirn't some ...determin of ...determinate of different sports that got to some people where they were all to be in

all the world, and then they're going to the person began to be a example. So, I'm what

you'd say, that you to explore the type of the leadership. And why? Well, it's very

easy. Because we all we have the light and the obscurity in the people

that are the person that's the position of It's showing that there, Tonto the ultimate, that here the important is

that you saques results and that you bring up to the other person, etc., etc., and then that we'll not us surprise us. But you're also

the person that's the that's the people to do that to be firm, and be sure and be sure to be sure

a good, then everything then it's all that happens to do you're that there's but in the

fund not are leaders, only are chiefs, not is authoritas, that's the people, is the potest, I have the power to premear and castigar. And, then, what you move to that

keep the illusion, not possible is the enthusiasm. What you move is the fear. I'll tell you, I've been two people, in one of them, everyone had fear, because the chief not was a leader,

and in the other, all the world was a leader. In the first case, the head didn't clear that the most important was the infirm. Vision-compartied, between all, has been the second

that was the only important. And, for that was, I'd say, oh, yeah, very good idea, this, I know, I don't know, I've ever been occurred. And it was a cathereratic

of the universities most important of the world. So, it has a sense for you? It has a sense, but what, and

what is, when, precisely the who not is the leader, but he's not pressure and at sometimes it's a lot of

people who are that's happening that's the case of that the market is that is the people more productive.

That difficult, this team this person that is so efficient that's too that's too, it's an little and

if the cooperation is better and calmse, backase that level of the same establishes, how,

How can't do that? How can't do? How could it? How did the Titanic when it was the Earth? It was all pastilla. You know, that I'd get a day before the pre-vist

to show that the the barco? How'd it do you do? The next? Who pre-tee to that? No, not even the captain of the barco.

You can't you can't a person who can get results exploting the and you can get a group that,

as they're very good in what they can get results. But not They will not get any results a long-plazzo, or not going to get all the results that can obtain. So, it's so. One of the

great errors, today, is, from my point of view, are people who have people who have in position of leadership, and only of the results, and not of the climate laboral. And not of how it's the people, and if the people are

illusioned or no, and not they're more than instruments for, to produce. And if there a person that has a position of leadership of leadership and not to treat it in the person, they can't do two things. The first is to want to and the second is to do something.

And I think that's to say. It's a need to say. Because I record a film that I recommend, it's a durisima, it's a durisim. It's a real. It's a lot of the sun. It's an horror. And at the end the panel in the

screen in the black and appears in the letters in are the Arrach, they're at Mungburt, they're in the Trinity College of Dublin, there's can read, for that the mal triumph in the world only has a little that the man of the way not do not.

The real leader-a-do also is to do the car and to be disposed to pay the price. When there are things that are correct,

not you desire to say to say to that person, not that's a matter, to that what is. And it is

we have that there's a there's a lot of a lot of evidence in many in many cases and in second people, people who don't have in count to the person, don't receive

any type of feedback. That is a risked to do, but at the final who can't change the things? Those who are in the position more elevated or those who have the most elevated of the visions? So, so you know,

so, you know, there's to superar the people, someone has been

not, we're not we're not we're not in the camp of the possible, we're in the

way, we're in the way, because we have been because we have seen. And many

times the gigantes when you're they're in they're in they're so they're

sogantes do you have sentio to you? It's has to have much

curro detrash, much effort and things that have to do, but, well, we're in that way, we're doing, today, that's pretty, no, that's premia,

that's, that's, that's, that's, the taut, the group, if you were, you'd have fared,

you, you'd have, farra'd, you'd, tell the, that's the thing, that's of the torpe,

and is that, I know, I know, people, that have done their way, or not, and doing what is correct and legal,

that have gotten his dreams without a lot of a work but it's a work with a

not a not a not a no, it's that this is that it's that

so I do say a question, not a question, don't you ask what you're to come to

where to you're going to where to you're going to And, and, of course, it's totally distinct to go and when it has a sense to go to go to when it has a sense. No is the same, divagar by the mountains of Lugo,

than going to the road of Santiago. In the two sides, you dole in the feet. In the two sides, they're saying ampollas. You're not to doleer parts of the body, you know, you know, I don't know that I'd know the right, I don't know the or the right dear, well, you know, and now, it's just to dole,

and now, it's just to dole, and then, well, you know, because then then it's going, but not is the when one is the same when one is vagabundeating, and downed around for the mountains of Lugo, to when he's a little in the Camino of Santiago.

He lives of other way. And what is what what occurs? That in the process if you're going to, you're transformed. So, this is what is what we're transforming. So, if I go in a gymnasium

and I want to put me very, not I can't do you know, I can't do make a amount of 10 grams, and I'm

not quite so it's a much work, then you don't have muscle at you want to you're

in this life? For that the way, the way, that's the people, and

the people, I'm the leader, the person, or I do a form question to the people of your people.

Because it I'm, the leader of is a leader of a service. Who has said that that service is a very easy in a world where impere the egoism? No?

But, but, but I'm good with you. Curro, but a curro with a sort of a good, and whose results are brutal. Sure. Does it?

It has a And it has curro? Much. It's what is what there. Paula Saba, want you to explore something? explore something. Yeah, a little at callation of what we're talking, I

want to mention the immediate-tec, no, that it's like that's a human, it needs to that all occur a, and, many times, I, as a psychologist, the patient, comes to the consult, who gets the result for ya, when you try to instruct, that incorporate the mindfulness in their day-a-day,

then, says phrases like, that the mindfulness not is for him, or that that That will be a lot time, and curiously it's a profile of people that more can need to need. So, what we could we say to these people who want the result for there and not want to enjoy the process of transformers?

What you do? Well, I'll tell my own experience, of how the Cerebro has a little of resistance at the at the principle, but that you have to to give the salt and discover that there more than that barrier that you put in the Cerebr, of no, I don't I, or this is for me, or not

I'm not in the moment. Very well. I've committed a much, much time, a error, and, with frequency, I'm doing, because I'm discue. What is that, when you are a person probably that you know, you're convinced that you know, you've

have leased much, you've read a lot, you have a great baggage intellectual. When someone, if you say something, is that that's not for me, possibly you have a tendency to explain to because that's beneficial, because to you have served, et cetera.

I've seen that function a much better other thing, that is to just to talk, and ask you. Diggam, what is what is what what is so difficult

the practical mindfulness? But not like that he He'd say, because prepare you, that's that before the that I'll give a series of reasons to for that I'm going to. No, no.

I'd like to understand what is what it's so difficult in the practice of Mindfuss. De really, I've got much interest. Well,

look, that no time. How time you think you're you that needs? No, one hour. And if it were a less,

no could functionar? That he makes think he's, that's going to the nucleus, and at the middle, and at least, you know, the mindfulness

me da a fear. And why he does fear? And you can't say with a commentio like, me does fear because this is going to

go in contra of my religion. You have to tell that the the fund of that resistance, that has been

like this, this is, is, it's, is, is, it is, it is, it, and In some of those that I respect

I'm prohibited that about about mindfulness. I have a book that's about mindfulness, take a bit of a respiro, because they're saying that it was in contra of the religion. For nothing. The mindfulness is an

to learn to start in the here and the hour. So what's what you you're listening your real resistance? Then there you can say, look, me permit, explain to why the mindfulness

is that totally alineated with what you possibly believe in that moment the person can open not she the person

we're going to we're not we're not we're not we're going to that person but what when a person

like you who has a great know and that he has said I don't

I don't but but I'm to say because it's going to engage you're

you know, you know, as a great psychologist who is it's a theory of the mind. The theory of the mind is that we we think that we understand what the mind of the other person and commit some errors. I'll the first. So, it has the sense for you? Canvary that? Totally. You know?

So, so. All that you have, you have, you have, where is the resistance. And of all what you have, you, take the piececet as the key that open the

door the piececita to that that that's that

that that that he's to independently of if

is a and that is a agnostic he will

do because when a person is more present in the

day a day a day etc. so his

life so thank pa that the time that is carried, diariously, of the train perturbators of the pensions, no me to live in peace. And that is a reality that is a daily

I live, and I have to confess and, also, I want to ask you because it, it could that all this come from a trauma of the infancy, in where in that in that era, assume you much of a much of so, that during your life,

that you would have to be in were manifesting. That's, that's has converted in the tonic of your life, in the mind,

I'm allusion to the terms that has learned to you, your mind or you

can't you get a or you but it's a little time in the

the end of the light, love. And then then, well, I want,

I want to be to be because all It's all of a trauma of the infancy. All right. All right.

Let's see. The major part of the things not are, the most of the past are resolved from the present. So I want to you want to that ruido mental

if they'd a form how would that? That ruido mental is the example that you've been I'm talking with someone and not

I'm present. I'm afraid. I'm absent. Very well. And me, what I do, I've done a effort in these last few years because me has passed much with my mother, that you get to have

to have problems and confrontations. Because, why? Because you're not, you're not, and then, then, really, despite you get very bad. So, I go,

I go, I go, the effort possible for being present. Even so, and I'm cost. And, and, yeah. No, no.

So, yeah. Yeah, so, yeah. Yeah, that's generated of the infancy, me has made generate much fear, with what I've

led to a grand part of my life very defensive. I've generated a system of defensive of alert or of alarm potent. That's, that with the pastes, of the practice, I've made sure. I did therapy.

I've got to do therapy during 12 years, because the problem was a strong and contundent, no? And, well, I'll, say, I'll be reforzated of the therapy,

but that even as, I, no see, for to be of the infancy, I'm in many situations. How,

how you see you see that the noise mental had a form? The

the real real the when you the day 8 of June

in the foundation Raphael and I saw the with the contorn

of the Cerebr and what there was that that that

that That marana, that marina is what there is my head in my head. And that's not all in the life is a relation. It's true, we're to imagine us a table of

madeira and I establish a relation with that table of matter, saying, a table of madder is a type of relation. But if I see that table of made that has a curiously dibucos, I go, is a tableau of aheader, establishes a

relation different. It's just a It's an object, it's a a camp of a game all, all is a

relation we're we're not we're with others, with the things, with the universe,

with the traccentia with all. The relation it's your relation with the real thing

is what what's the more that's doing not the real the medical Jung

said what said what the says, it persiste, what he has a braza

and then there's a moment in you you're living that RUIDO Mental Saba, as something

that frankly, not you're doing to live plainly. It's not something that you recognize as your true essence, so it's it's like a

cargues like a cargapas that's project in your present, in your future. So, one of the things that is

fundamental is that you can be radically your relation with that RUID mental. That's

that RUID mental you can't find in you the rechazo that He's not you can't

make more time culpable of the things that not function are in your life, although there are doing. Because,

although intellectually it is the logical, what is the resist, persist, you have to have to have to be

you know, when you see that you're going, when you see that's that has gone,

what you say, what you're what you when you? Again, it's here,

yeah, it's Yeah, it's here. Here. You're just here. Yeah, to be here. Yeah, it's not like.

More than so. More than so, even, even, even, even the bad that you get to feel when you do you know.

When you you're doing, because, because, as you say, you're, you're, you're here,

but the oil has, that's, that's, the o'ya, the o'ya, the, you're,

you're, you're listening, but you're when you're when you're when you're when you feel they're not. Why is the

name that most you a good? A name, a name of Pila, the most you like. Of Pila? Yeah, a number of Pila. Mario, Andres, Alberto, Casilda, or the woman? The who you want. Valeria. When you get. Valeria, not is the name of your mother, no. When When I get... No, it's that name. No, it's that I'm

that I'm not. No, it's that no, it's that no, is that I'm confusion in the no, no, no. When I get the Ruedo Mental, in the other of,

Valeria, you're here, welcome and I'm welcome, yes, she,

well, I've a person that I do I'm very many many times but

came to have a caro of asthma nocturn he was an asthma horrible

just when she was to He said, no, he'd be in the next he was going to beaumoloos, he'd been to go to neurolog, he's, he's very well in it, he had been to do something, he'd have been to things, no he'd functioned for nothing.

He said, you, what you see when you get to your theme of asthma? That's, that's very desirable. He said, I do you, I go. I go, well, you're going to say, when you notice, when you know, my son, my son,

my son, me said, I'm, he said, I'm going to, but if you functionar. you're you're a like as if were an

invitata as us we're a grand rumy in the

second a invitation you give a but Mario

I'm I'm to I'm to only you always

you know you know what you know he never

never never to never never to have no

never to be the right the The noise is apaghered when

you're to reinforce what he reforza is your rechazz. For that's a

name a you're going to be called Valeria that you yeah

he does a point of more more calide you

are here is here here and you you

you're you you you're you you're no Valer

another again yeah well let what what what

is Recurred, what he said the grand Jung, what is resist, persist, what is a braza, it's transform. Then, to get a moment in the that, will be a little to start, and you'll

but thence in a while some rudderial that no interferer in your life. Do you know, a note, and, and, after to have read your

ultimate book, more still, because there's described perfectly. Well, it's that. You do you do you apply.

And the results, you'll be but not you want to say, but to be to get back, but to be no, no, no, no. It's a grand inviteada, Valeria. It's the

recitales with all the honours. Magnifico. Well, dearest, I'm good ones, what's such a lot of people, can't to illuminate. Thank you, all, and all