Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Cómo encontrar personas que te inspiren

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Vivimos en un tiempo en el que parece que solo existen dos opciones: o piensas como yo, o estás contra mí. Y cuando esto sucede, dejamos de ver a la persona y empezamos a verla como una etiqueta, una ideología o una amenaza.En esta conversación quiero invitarte a hacer un cambio profundo: pasar del juicio a la curiosidad. Y preguntarnos¿Por qué reaccionamos con tanta facilidad ante quien piensa diferente?¿Qué ocurre cuando dejamos de intentar convencer y empezamos a comprender?¿Es posible construir puentes incluso entre personas con ideas completamente opuestas?Porque cuando dejamos de condenar y empezamos a preguntar con verdadero interés, cambia la conversación, cambia la relación y cambia también la perspectiva desde la que miramos al otro.Una persona siempre es mucho más que sus ideas, sus creencias o sus opiniones. Y quizá el verdadero encuentro comienza cuando dejamos de tener la necesidad de vencer y empezamos a tener el deseo sincero de comprender.💻Da el paso a soltar aquellas creencias que te frenan e inicia tu camino hacia la transformación con el Curso Online Reinventarse¡Suscríbete!MÁS INFORMACIÓN Y RECURSOS ÚTILES: 📖 ⁠Libros⁠🎧 ⁠Accede a mi audionewsletter gratis⁠🎟️⁠ ⁠Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2026⁠PÁGINA WEB Y REDES SOCIALES OFICIALES:🌐⁠⁠⁠Página Web⁠⁠⁠📷⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠📲⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💼⁠LinkedIn⁠𝕏 ⁠Twitter

We have to give a saltho very important. It's the salt of the condena, the salt of the enjuicium

to the salt of the curiosity. That really we need our when you can be the

model of conversation of the question really, interested curious and humilded

to know that that person is more than the other person see the

other things angle, never we'll can't change a conduct if not we don't change the perspective. Hello, Mario, me does much pain that every be more common,

or you, or you're against me. We're allowed of extremes and of polarization, and me does much a ravi that we're trying to turn to all what our fathers

and abuelos construed with much time, care and dedication. They've lived some years in Spain where were confronted

friends, families, and vicino, and they were to them a person. And I that I've been 39 years, no me I can't believe that that we're taking to take to the earth, take a little.

It's probably that the point zero of this is a political, but no it's where it's extrapolates all, to football, to the religion, and to opinions mundanas of the day-a-day. Yeah no we've heard the end up front for understanding, but we're listening to

reproach. And how we've got to this? You've got a alt-vote enormous. You've got to to make to see to the people that that's not the

that's the we're all the people who they're all they're those who want to

not they're people, and if you don't get the people, and if you don't get the

not the polarisation and the end up and the people don't want to

listen to to hear that can't think the other and because.

Thank you. Thank you to you. Thank you. Well, well, a card Mario,

because they're they're in the center of the debate, and the reality of many of many people. Now, what happens, the

first is the, the diagnostics. You, that, that, too, that's the time, that I've lived, that I've lived, Spain has been so radicalized, always? Well, you consideras that Spain is

polarized? More than radicalized? Well, I think that Noelle has written a card very profound, with a sense very on-do, that I think is a to feel partied not only

for many Spaniolese or I think that for the majority of those Spanioless

but I have seen in many countries to the to my work and that

and that that radicalization that polarization that that's just generate division

generate tension and it's and at end and at the end and at the

end of both part not for one or not for one or

but for both parts. It's a game of sum a zero. It's a final, all the world all the world pierred. So I think

maybe what most interesting, if you do you think, Albert, is that explore we that's the

origin of this, more than the ideas political, more than ideas religious to send a message

well, fundamentally of faith and the thing, that this no has to be

the tonic habitual, that is can be a little a little. So, or we

understand the root of the problems more than the thing of the surface, or not we

can be a solution that has that's a final. What we see, is an

expression of what's the person of the person that in the people who are in power,

never generate enfrontation and generate a war. The people that for there has

a series of conflicts, then undoubtedly that's express a externally in rivalities,

in confrontations, etc. But at final, all the thing, all right,

you know, you think many times in politics, or I know, I don't remember

of this phrase, but the concept of, you're going to go to the bus.

That's You're going to go the bus that more closer you get to the past it's

the way and it's that I'm that you and how the ideology form a part of our

identity because if you have some those you have you know that's you're

but of your idea to do you your form of your form of a

carhom as tank as as well that's today for necessity they're

to go to be changing to be opinion has that you encounters encarceled in a place very strict.

Sure, for that we're to look at the person, more than the party or more than the ideology.

So, let's see. The beings we have, the beings and when one of those dimensions

is a combination with the other in a manner equilibrated, then the

things are well, when one of those dimensions it's the one that's the

only that is the only that the only that's present in our life, we're one of the divisions is the that we're

the can't let's make the usegare, the that we usegous, very favorable in all what it has to

do the objectos. I have to serve to have to have to have to have to be a

car to say the microphone that I have today I'm to know

to serve a a boligraph so. So it's tremendously utilite, the part that's the part that enjuice,

this is to me serve to write, the part that generate categories. And this is very util. The problem is when that part

is when that part is the dominant. Because then then I'm to get to the people, I'm getting

to get them in categories, I'm to inquisial and I'm to accuserla, I'm castigarly, and that

is a model, is a model very very danino for the person for the communication and for the society

in their community and it's the model dominant today. So, if you

not you're against me, I'm you know, I'm I'm depending of certain

ideas political or religiousas that you have you know, the

cause number one of the people are things are ideas political

or ideas of different of different, it's rare that

one is in front for other, for other motives. I don't I don't know I mean, I'm going to exist but it's

less frequent. So, what we're, we have to do a small very important. It's the salt of the

condena, the salt of the injudiation to the self of the curiosity. So, that really

we're really we're really to put in an example of something that here in Spain, logically

us get very very far, but I think it's that it can be a bit

illustrative. In the time of the Ku Klux Klan that's easy to say,

where we know these people were in this type capirotes blanks and that

were going to the people who were the people there was a

a music of color Daril Davis that in one occasion

had an occasion he a second he said

only really I would would say because not odies so did you

don't know I'd say you know I'd say a reason why the conversation that's he was established

because this music he was invited to explore to other dimension not from the

dimension of the division but from the dimension of the exploration

there was a group significant of people that they had the

second and that was a initial for the one the

conversations. Never we'll change the structures and we can't change the conversations.

And the conversations in those you are injuicating to one like the that's always always is

the mal, they can get to any other city, it's, so we're we're able

to be able to superar these ideologies that for many people are what

they're the sensation of security, of control, of power, and to start to open us to the other

person, is that if we don't, we can't have a future to say, the challenges to the world

are the way today, are so important are so important, are so that this only can resolve

with intelligence collaborative. No, there's no any one band, nor, in the other

or in the other, and the person has the capacity to resolve these these

challenges, but we don't know, and it has been a exercise of a responsibility,

then to be to be unjuic for that interest and curiosity. Let's see. You really, what is what, what is what, the real thing, you need to your ideology? What is what for you really

is important? So, look at what, what's more curious. When you canvias that model of conversation, of a model of conversation, many times, that is to be who does more, to be who has more, to have who has more arguments for undire to the other person. When you You can't change the model of conversation, of the jury, to the question really, interested, curious, and humilde,

of knowing that person is more than his ideology, that that person is a human independently of the party, that he'll be, de facto, that he doesn't to vote, that he has a religion, no has the religion. When you go to that level of major profundity, it's established

a connection different. We know, we know, as the point of view of the neurociency, that is so, is completely different, which is what What happened in the case of Darrye Lewis with the Ku Klux Klan, that's established in a conversation different. So, of a other person, be the other person,

see the other perspective, from another angle. Never we can't be able to change a conduct if not we canvass the perspective, if not we can't change from where we're going. So we're in a perspective that we're encassigating to all, that we're doing.

Because between the who insults and the insults, the two are suffering. If I, for example, go for the car and I'm a fan of a car in the car and he

he's got to he's got to get a but is that me to make you're a reason a lot of the tension arterial

if me has a reason why it's a mean it has been a my may have we're doing those two

so why we we're going to enter in this game to sum to zero it seems but for

for that for that's it's I think I think we I think we we're all we're we're

we're a tendency mental that that's that's interpret and remember the information

the form that confirm what you know ignore or minimis all what what contradict

and I think many times Mario in the algorithm of the social

that not does other other that that replic or foment

that you enter or or that or you you

or that you know that confirmation. I'm explet. Because the algorithm always

you can show you know what what's what's over a moment and that's a very much.

But this is like all in the life. Let's see. We're all we're a sense of

control and a little of certain to get to go to the cities and that all certain

but when that that necessity to control that, that necessity to maintain

exclusively in the family, in the know reforzated one and other other way, it's a new

another mode of life. That's only can generate suffering, stankment, and poverty mental,

poverty emotional, and poverty spiritual. When you you have to know more, you know,

you know, you know, a point of a view, I've done many times, is the view

that's the view that means, there's different, different points from those

that you can occasion, that a time to try to not demonize a other

person, but understand there's things. I've took the fortune a few

years to coincid with the general Colin in an event. Me

invited and I've been. He had been a secretary of the state

and the person that was a political international with various

presidents. And he he He was in the Kremlin with Reagan, President Reagan and the President Gorbachev and Riggins. And Riggins was super-tenso. And Gorbachev he was very tranquil. So, so, Colin Powell, he was that this, that tension, that was, it was, it was a rigidevety and the President

Gorbachev intends many times, as as to, asercars emotionally to Ronald Riggan. And Ronald Riggant, had a car of very few friends. And in a moment of terminated, Gorbachev he said, President Reagan, he's going to

you know, and is why? Because, in that time, to know, the rivalry that was that's

extraordinary that was, between the Russia or the Union of Republic, socialists and the

United. In that moment, he did he he's that I want to do you want to

the general Colin Powell, that me, the fact that was that I put a carna of a gallina was, in that moment I saw,

as a president of Riggins, he put in the pie, he'd change the car, he had to be the president Gorbachev, that Clau was put to be put in and he said,

me name, Ronald. And he said, I, Mihail. And so, he said, the general Colin

Powell, in that moment knew that the war-frier began to disappear. Well, in the

anatomy of an instant, well, the history of Spain, that reunion of Carrillo and Adolfo Suarez, or of Carrillo and Fraga? Sure, but, see,

there's got to, there's a voluntathe there's a want to intendation. There's a world that understand the realest of the other person. So,

when we're not we're just the cargo political, the cargo public, or what that is, and we don't we see a man behind that has his

sentiments and their needs. So the interaction that there is between human, it's between etiquetteas. And, when one is

a favor of an etiquette, it's a then you know, then at final we're all we're doing a example

more simple, no? Imagine we're the oxygen and the hydrogen the oxygen confronted with the hydrogen,

if it's that you're not you're not you're for the life and you, you're the

hydrogen accusing of oxygen. No, I formed a part of the atmosphere primitive. If I would have have been a lot, you never had been a gas. Well, imagineate, no we'd have a water. Well, now we have the excess of water.

But, well, now, now not sobred the water. But to what we don't have water. The water is the molecule in the life. So, we know that's the water no way. So, fissionate, for that acercement of those gases, for, for, to say,

the marvellia that's what is the same. We need to for the good of an an acercment because no no,

no, we can be able to but for that's, but for that Mario, I'm going to

and we're going to in a future or so, is to say what it's a lot of a tendency world but

well we're we're going to we're going to think in Spain and we're I mean the other day

I said I said why I'm I'm I'm more adjectives in

in a in Boca of politicians, and why those adjectives every are more more duos, and why those politicians define

personally to those of the sign contrary? So, many times I think that the only way that

change this is, or even that the political every be less entertaining, and it seems

that we don't go to that we're going to be more entertained. And that, and in

fin, that I suppose that depends more of a system, of entrances and of the political is that

not do you know those politicians. Well, the politicians are also the rest of the rest of the person

so that's so we have to apply each one in their own in their life. If it's

certain, that depending of the paper that your need to your level of

your level of you're a person that you have to have to the

generation of the generation of your level of responsibility is major than the of those people that are the now that's a

factia now. Now have you what has been what has what's the people who are people who people who

in the other because when one's a demonized or be of a color of the other completely

yeah and when when it put in the defensive you know you know you know

you lookas the attack the uida or you get blocked so we need we need people

people are some that are in those enterns that simply intend to connect with the feeling, is that it's that

is that can be the game the game the game to this is for example, when one is backer to be, you know, that's a tonne, that's the other, you know, for all. It's that

the model of conversation. And, all the model of conversation, can't the form of the person. It's completely distinct, because there are two modes

of conversation. The mode that enjuice and the mode that's question with interest, with curiosity, with humility, and he's, to try to

understand. So, it's to be a model. And, like, all in the life, then it's

a series of people who are They're looking there, and they're saying, oh, and it's really, is that this function. No, and the problem, Mario, is that when

you're in the center of the human, all we're all right things, this is this is a manidissive also, but we're much more

more things in common than, than the contrary. Totally. So, what we need is much more

than what we separate. And, of actually, it's very important to record here that we're

we're not 10.01 percent of the species that are given vivas and that are

the earth, and it's that that's the effect

that's definitely to the cooperation. Not to that the Cerebr human

has a capacity cognitive brutal, but the capacity to cooperate. The

actual, the areas of association of the brain human, are the areas

most important, all they're to have with the world

emotional and with the world social, with the collaboration. So,

the the propo evolution not saying, we're saying, we're in commas condemned to

understand us and if not we don't know we're we're not we're not

but yeah without without some, with the