Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Cómo tu forma de hablarte cambia tu cuerpo

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Hay heridas que ni siquiera sabemos que llevamos dentro. Las notamos como una tensión que no cesa, como un resentimiento que aparece sin avisar, como esa voz interior que nos trata con una dureza que jamás emplearíamos con un buen amigo. En esta conversación con Jorge Serratos,  en Sinergéticos, quiero acompañarte a comprender algo que he explorado durante muchos años: por qué nos cuesta tanto perdonar, y perdonarnos.Perdonar no es decir que aquello que sucedió estuvo bien. Perdonar es  liberar. Es soltar la piedra caliente que creemos estar lanzando a otro,  sin darnos cuenta de que es a nosotros a quienes está quemando. En este diálogo hablamos de la diferencia entre la culpa y la vergüenza, del papel de víctima y de cómo nuestros estados mentales transforman, literalmente, nuestro cuerpo.---------------------------------------------------------------------- 🤍 Accede al Curso Online Reinventarse. Conecta con tu mejor versión y fortalece tu autoestima 🎧 Descarga gratis la Meditación del corazón y regálate un momento para volver a ti----------------------------------------------------------------------En esta conversación reflexionamos juntos sobre:▶️ Por qué perdonar es un acto de liberación, no de obligación moral▶️ La diferencia entre la culpa (lo que hice) y la vergüenza (lo que soy)▶️ Las heridas del apego que se forman antes de los tres años▶️ Por qué a veces nos refugiamos en el papel de víctima▶️ Cómo el cortisol y el estrés afectan al sistema inmune y al corazón▶️ El efecto placebo y el efecto nocebo: las células escuchan tus pensamientos▶️ Por qué hablarnos bien no es un lujo, sino una necesidad▶️ Cómo empezar a sanar reconociendo que dentro de ti hay luz, no un defecto¡Suscríbete!SI QUIERES SEGUIR PROFUNDIZANDO:📖 ⁠Libros⁠🎧 ⁠Accede a mi audionewsletter gratis⁠🎟️⁠ ⁠Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2026⁠PÁGINA WEB Y REDES SOCIALES OFICIALES:🌐⁠⁠⁠Página Web⁠⁠⁠📷⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠⁠📲⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💼⁠LinkedIn⁠𝕏 ⁠Twitter

When a person Sient a verguyen, what is that something in their is defectuos. That something in his interior is rot, and then,

it's just to desprecise. This makes that the person that is trapped by the verguenza has been to expone and sheenta

that his vulnerability is inacceptable for her and, for unaceptable for the other. So, it has to be constantly creating a kind of

a kind of to attempt that not that's that's rota for them. Why to one's it costs more work to pardoner, pardoners,

than others? Well, I think every one, Jorge, live what he live, what he's, so the major part of the

the the areas that we accumulate are are not even we know that we are in the inconsciente profound no not we're us effects as a

sensation of incommodity like a tension that no cessa a sensation of frustration permanent and even

even a species of resentment that a a few one one is one who

one is one is many many of the other things, the form in that we're not we're talking, the form in that we'd never would have been a good friend.

Dethrase of that, I've been much years, exploring what there there's that, no? There are a series of emotions with which it costs much to enter in contact. Are the fear and the trestice.

Okay. Because no is the the fear of now, it's the fear that we experimented when it's the problem when it was In account the enormous precarity of the situation of a a new, a new, when they're two, three years of age,

are they are, they're conscious of that they're not without any of the support. And when they're that there is a vincal when they're that connection not as how they'd like that were, then, they're in a, how I'm going to survive, no? For the other,

Because, because, of, all notar the fault of something as the vincal

affective, well, one, that one, that's a and that and on

those emotions, they're two that are tremendously dannines, that are

the culpa and the the and the culza, then the other

may have something in me, something in what I've that has

had given a lack of that fact of the most devastating is the most devastating is the

badger's the sensation that there's the same that's the more more than the more much

more because the culp is for what I've done, the because the problem

of the the burden of the burden of is that you have the sensation

the person that person who suffer this this damage in the a pego in a infantil,

has the sensation that something that something that something in your own in your own because if not

because not they transmit they would be they'd they'd not be consoled in their

difficulty or they would be accompanied in those moments of soled then the

culpa and the that are associated with other two emotions that are

the sensation of impotency and the dispeperance the

impotency is I no to change this and the desperance is and never could. This conglomerate of emotions done a place to that appears another emotion

that is the mass supercial which is the ira. The ira contra one of the same, the ira against the world, the ira contra God, the ira contra the life to everyone can put

a focus to that ira. What happens? What is the process of is a process of connect with that emotion that's a that's the and with that

emotion that that is the the MED. When we we've got in a determinants of our existence

normally, the three years of those three years these emotions are absolutely insupportables so we then we're

so we're to get to the conscience What the past is that inevitably they're cuellan, secuelan in a voice that you give us to your

partner, in a form in that you humiliate when something has done has been in a moment of frustration extreme,

and something that also that also has quite, so the process of pardon has two

components. One, the component moral, I have to pardoner. So, in the

fond of you want you're pardoned but you've pardoned. Because because it is pardonable that.

That is not you can't. You know what califical. You know what what the most me say? How am I

go to pardon? That's that is a thing that is a very good at the hemisphere

is quite going to how I to pardon this? So in the fond, that

is really effective after that you don't comprehend that that that

is a that pardoner is a pass page that that is

to say that something was adequate, no, something was profoundly inadequate. That pardoner is, to some way, liberate what is doing that the

pasto is occupant the present and, for the future. So, it's an act of expansion of the conscience, where you get

to see that that pardoner you offer a lot of things, and that that not pardoner you quita a lot of

possibilities. So, not is an element moral we have to pardoned, but an element of expansion of the conscience, when a person

is a matter of the damage that's doing. I just put an example, a metaphor that is a pietra

very very calient, that's a key, that's a time. So, there's a moment in the

you've been to be used to understand, you know, that's quite, that's is a the skin,

you're the muscle and you're to get to the moment, it's an element for me

of the what is that's that's many times are to a person that is

to ask to ask you to ask that one you know that one is complex and dynamics

profound of the mind, it's much more difficult So when there is a pardon of a one of the things more interesting and more surprising is how the body is liberate.

There are montones of corazas neuromuscular I call coronas neuromuscular that are trapando to the person. There's a whole an activation of the system nervosos and that's gastating the body,

desgastating the cells that in the moment in which you you perdonas, that's immediately it's spectacular how that's So, we have to understand how difficult to

is pardoner, but for other part, to open us the possibility of that pardoning not impossible. What's the what you're going to you? What's in the cerebr when we're we're seeing a verguyen? When a person

that's feeling what you're saying, as you're, as that something in their is defectuoso. that something that something is

that's and then it's depreciarce is attack said Simon Freud the creator

of the psychoanalysis that the is the air to turn to one means one of

a base to attack and attack and it is when when it's

a state of a verguyen there there's a great activation of nucleus

in the Cerebro, for example, the nucleus amygdalinos, and a great activation of the system nervios sympathetic. This makes that the person that is trapped by the Vervoenza, has a fear of exponers. Sienta that his vulnerability is unacceptable for her myself and, for that, unacceptable for the other. So, has to be constantly,

creating a kind of maskara to try to apparent that not that not so rota for and from here they can emerge for example conducts very narcissists

someone who seems that's a lot of a lot of confidence or a lot of exit,

even can be a way to be a way humillant to other people and in the

front is the maskara that has created to to that he is a person

to be so so other part there there there

a reaction a very very not is the system nervios, sympathetic, which is the system of attack or uida. No, I'm not going to expose here, so, that be what I in the fund

no, I want to be there, so, so, they're retrable. Or, someone has a commentary, and that erida, so you're reactions, to a way, so you're not, that's a way of the system nervos or sympathetic,

but there's a way still much more d'n, which is the via parasympatical, but not the parasympatical favorable, which is the vago anterior, but the vago posterior,

the nerve of the posterior. When it's active this nerve, it's what's called the freezing, a congelament. It's the person that's a person that's that's a person that

is a blockade. This is the the worst of the reactions against the verguenza because, in some way

it produces a state very negative for the health. In the activation the system

of the is a hypostimpatic is a hypostivation for the activation of the parasympatical d'orsan. So, are people who are very congelated, that tenden much to the islamminton, that live very incerraiserated in-simis, and that are even to disconnecting of their own body. It's really, actually, here the dimension physical, the mental,

and the spiritual are tremendously interconnected. And really, we're talking about of persons that don't have nothing roto for the, So, that you have you have been treated or that you

have been in a adolescent, that not they not they recognize of a person major,

not mean that you mean you say that you say that can't see, that is

that they're in the problem not is how we're the problem is when we're

when we look at the mind to us the person me mirroes with a person me

me me with the problem is when that of that mirrored to my. And I go, if me mirrored, it's because I'm desprecable.

If not me with respect, it's because no meres with respect. So, is the the compromise

of that mirab, to do that has a effect. Eleanor Rusbel, who suffered much in

his life, he said, nobody could make you feel you without your

consent. I'm a son, a psychologist, that we just to be a victim, that is

more easy to be the victim than our reality and to start to

change what what you think that I'm totally

of course it's much much more more it's much it's it's

the people that the people that have put the people

that have that they have you do you

do you don't we're we we're a great philosopher

in society that said I'm I and my circumstances

the person that says, I are you, independently in my circumstances,

is being very prepotent because the circumstances, clear, that are people who are there

are very d'n't not you goys to not matter. Now, there are people who

are the only that they're the question of the victim. What is, that's the position of

victim that's the position of that you permit to not revisit, And, of course, it's more

easy, because we don't want to review in front of not want to find out with those emotions, of some of any many, dolorousas that are in our interior, so it's a

form of distract us. If I culp out, no I have to revise into. If I'm reviso into, not have to connect with the sombras that

I don't want to recognize in me. And this is is very typical in persons that they're all the day and no pass on the time appreciating. You know, I'm saying.

I'm, I'm just, I'm that's always more easy. It's more easy to look the Eskes than to find the Aikis. What effect has our mind, in our body, our spirit, or so we're not the victim?

Well, they've have done studies, for example, in the Reign Unido, and it's have has been, for example, that when a person has a copred the victim, one of the systems that most suffer is the apparatus cardiovascular. With an increase of the tension arterial,

the amount of the ciphrable when it's a certain level, with an alteration in the variability cardiac, which is the heart that the heartache, the hearty, the heart of the other part, it's the position of victim affect the system immune.

Affects the system immune for a reason. Because when one is like a victim, logically, you're relating to you with a world hostile. We're doing, if I'm a victim,

the world is hostile. And when I perceive a world hostile, automatically libero cortisol in the blood. The cortisol in the is a hormone

that when see the rhythm circadian around the day is super-event very beneficial. Of course, without

of the living, more we'd. But when the cortisol is liberate for this position of victim,

one of the things that is blocker the system of defense. Lymphocytes CD4, CD8,

NK, etc. What? What do? That's, you know, to do you do a that you

have diagnosed a person malignate, can't the position of victim, no there nothing to

do, it depends that the medical can't help, I can't do anything, I can't do anything, it's to liberate cortisone in the the blood. The system

immune, that is our system of defense, exactly. That would have to destroy the tumor, it's a system of defense very blandito, with what the tumor can progress. No, there's no doubt that the states

mental have a correlation ineliata with the states physiologic of the body, even with the states anatomical, They have seen changes structural in this case. For example, when what's called the incapacity

appended, when you, this has a done an animal of experimentation, when an animal of experimentation that's, that does what do, all, it's going to go to be a lot, and so when it's a child, normally, so it's a work with ratas of the laboratory, it's observed how,

determinically, have changed, anatomically have changed, the ganglios lymphatic that are the, like the grand central where are our army, imagine we're in the world where are the soldiers, they're more pekechalists. The stomachs start to produce ulceras.

The glanulas superrenales, are those that are that produced a quantity of cortisol that in a moment that are that they're absolutely agotated, even at times in experiments with an animal in the laboratory with rat, it was there was a

hemorrhagias in the glandular superannas. I mean, not only the states mental have an impact

a level physiological in hormones, neurotransmisories, functioning, but at the level anatomical, that get to affect

to the own structure. When you're about the structure and of our thing anatomical,

explain me as I mean, I think, I mean, I think, the person subestimed the power

that is the relation that we have with the mind, with the body, our our own, our things that we're not

that we're people who's very negative. Well, I'm going to say something that has said the Premier Nobel

Elizabeth Blackburn, the Premier in the Nobel in 2009, for that has much more

authority than what I can say you. The cellulas are our thoughts

our possibilities. Possibly all the people who are being this interview,

this conversation between you and you have not heard about the effect placebo. And the effect placebo is like something disestimated, well, the effect placebo, this is a little that you do you, no, no, the effect placebo is of a power extraordinary. We know,

we know that persons that have creed to a level profound, a level inconscient, in a few of the same of the same have been that metastasis massives in a the body disappear. Why?

Because the system immune, very directed from the inconscientetient, from the hemisphere of the right, it's a so, it's the effect placebo, but also exists the effect nocebo. The effect nocebo is, when you're that

something is that something that the body starts to go in that direction. And this is the mind, but it's important that we understand that,

the effect placebo and the effect nocebo is, me want to or me want to create this. The effect placebo and the effect nocebo,

is that your inconscient is the clave of all it, take that that's as a reality incquestionable.

No, there's incuestionable. It's incuestionable. It has to be at a level of certainty. Sure, for that is

so important that the professionals of the health, psychology, medicine, psychotherapy, or what they

can, they can, they can, they can, that the words as they say as they're from a professional

that has a certain a particular they're a impact in that person and that incociente

the the best the people have been probably not only only only

in the time in the greecea classical were they're able

to have to act this effect for so they're they're

they're such asombrousas, considered as we'll say that's like as like a miracle,

so it's very important to understand that's very important Jorge to record the next

one one and other once, you're you're thinking you that's if I

me repeat one and I'm not I'm not for nothing no syiv for nothing

no sibe for nothing no see for nothing no sign for nothing commit a a error

and in the other I can I can't learn I do I

I don't know I'm not someone not appreciate sufficient in a lot of saying, look, this person not because no I know I mean I do not if you do you do it,

and on you do you, to involve the person to say, it's different to say, no I'm not, or you

to involve the tone in a place to say, no to say, no sir, you're doing to do you, that's a

moment, in the moment in the moment in the I consider that phrase, a reality in questionable. And the problem is that when it's in the inconscient, it affects my form of to be the reality.

So, pudient to serve sobradament to do in the moment in which the the automatically is active that Crencia Limitante

that image vivid as a certain-incquestionable and limita all my capacities mental to resolve exitosamently

that's a and so to confirm what I think that's called the prophecy autocomplied so it's so it's so that

important that the persons us to that we'll and that we'll be able to make a lot. I mean, I'll say, what I've committed a error. We're talking,

in what is the sensualtet. You can't say, this error not determine that I say a fracasado, that I be a fracassad. This error simply mustra

that there is something that has surged or has succeeded as I want to that I could learn of that. That change mental liberate

potences, libera the intelligence capable of to understand where has been the error, libera the creativity capable of developing new ways to to obtain the result that I'm that in the moment in that you to take a conscience, you say, but what I

do, what I'm doing so well? But what I'm doing my better enemy, in the better enemy or the better, my, the better, when you do you know that something that's into the most profound is pure

light, not is a defect, no is a heredity, but you are you a ser of light and you're not a set in that sense, the head is that one has to begin to be able.