Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Cómo vivir sin miedo a perder lo que amas

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Todos queremos que las cosas nos vayan bien. Que nuestro trabajo crezca. Que nuestras relaciones perduren. Que la salud nos acompañe.El problema no es preferir que eso suceda. El problema es creer que, si lo perdemos, dejamos de ser alguien.En esta conversación profunda con Uri Sabat en la Fórumla del Éxito, reflexionamos sobre el miedo a perder, la diferencia entre preferencia y apego, y cómo recuperar perspectiva cuando sentimos que algo amenaza nuestra identidad.Hablamos del miedo a la muerte y de lo que la ciencia y la experiencia humana nos enseñan sobre ella. Exploramos cómo una visión más amplia —no necesariamente religiosa, pero sí espiritual— puede transformar nuestra relación con el final de la vida.También abordamos el verdadero carisma, el liderazgo basado en la coherencia y la importancia de recuperar el amor por la verdad y la dignidad humana en la sociedad actual.Como decía Óscar Wilde:“La mayor desgracia no es que nos vamos a morir, es que no sabemos vivir.”Quizá vivir sin miedo no sea eliminar el miedo, sino dejar de identificar quién eres con lo que tienes.Gracias a Uri Sabat por esta maravillosa entrevista.¡Suscríbete!MÁS INFORMACIÓN Y RECURSOS ÚTILES: 📖 Libros🎧 Accede a mi audionewsletter gratis🎟️⁠ Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2026💻 Accede a mi Curso Online ReinventarsePÁGINA WEB Y REDES SOCIALES OFICIALES:🌐⁠⁠Página Web⁠⁠📷⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠📲⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💼LinkedIn𝕏 Twitter

Mario, I have the I'm the I'm the sure of being totally alineated with my purpose, with my,

with my, with his ganas to, to be to be to present me with you

to be here to be to be that's not much people have the great and that

and that he'll see a lot of and that's and that's but I'm

I'm I'm and I want to enter in the world the

world of the fear, that for me has like two vertientes. One, the incapacitation or not

to not to do you do the thing, or the rum to say, Cueado because you

can't you know, this is a thing of an exceptional relevancy because

why it's about the difference between the preference and the preference

is that you would that would that would be that Sure, that we prefer us prefering that your podcast,

then we're going, evolutioning, and helping a lot of people. The love we prefering. The apego is when one cre that if

he has to have to this, you know, it's nothing. It's identifying who you're

with what you have been, many years, me invited to a dinner and I I sent to have

a person that's dedicated to re-ubic to people that have been seen to the

business and she me said that what he most he impacted was

that those people that had had been done not because they've done

not because had been because there had been despid for

reduction of plant etc they were they they

were that they were they they were they they when she was

was new interviews of the work, because I'm sure they're

they're a part of that they're disconcerted because they went to deignation, disalignated

with a with a look at a thought, the problem not is that not

they're they're they're not they're so that's what's what's that's

it's that we're all the desire to make that the thing is

when the consider we that without we're not we're not and that is what we have to avoid.

There's there's a strategy that is very good to revertir that is, plant you

for example that one that one that one person that has never imagined and then then

then he can be with two or three euros to the day. And then the question is,

what is what I'm doing doing to do? Well, I'm going to keep a coffee.

I'm going to be seeing appreciating the beauty of certain things. I'm

to call my mother. I'm want to say I can't to reduce the level of

a not the level of the opetka or the because it's like it. You know, at the final

is all a time of a perspective. It's in an occasion collaborating with a foundation that has

an hospital in Africa in Benin I was about with the ciruhano pediatric and he had

to get to Benin and I said that he has to be a lot, and me he said,

more duro is to come, and I get a little surprised. And I said, because when when you see

there, what they have, and how they have, with a sentiment much of

gratitude, for the little that they're just you're and you get you, and you

see a to kisski to geth to get to a to that, is that,

is that, what, is that what? me, I said, Cremme, that's

that's what many times us that we're a lot that's a perspective.

Mario, you I've got to know and I need to 24

hours talking with the world of the life of the But you

know, no, no, no, but well, thanks. Thanks.

I, I, I, you know, you to investigate more

to do all of those who that you do but I would like to talk about to

talk about we're like three great questions the the where we we're

who we're we're as where we're as as a medical about about

about the fear there there in the society actual

of how can't how to the longevity, to all that. How do you, and I would like that me would say that you'd like me is the perspective

more philosophic of the and the perspective also more scientific of if that's a, is a, or so, it's a, of some, in a, of some mode in that

we can't revertire that, that, that, that's, that's, fiftient, everything,

everything to the reduction of the reduction of the emvehacement or the reversion of the embefficement is a trending topic, it's a thing, it's a thing

very vigente. And I think it has much sense that the science, specifically, the medicine, the biology, see, being how

to make sure, not just to augment the longevity, but to make a lot of the period of a person. Because there's

period of health and period of Infermedad. There are there in those those moments in those those people enter in their period of a

problem and then then is going and is living more years but is living with condolences molesties articulares

in all things. So it has all the world that the sciences biologics,

the science medical, has been has been looking forms of the

life, something that is that is getting so much in the reduction of

the medical that's called the disease of the health

because all the years because all are about are happening

problems like the inflammation chronic of low graded

no the called the cellas nescentes that can

not can they can do they they they're they

they they are they attack the heart the cerebr

the articulations, et cetera, so that's that's actually that's the fact that one a person can live more,

but many times with aches. For that today, many of many of substances

anti-aging, et cetera, some of major or minor base scientific, they're trying

to appear in the market. And that is normal, that line. Now, when we

when we're when we're when we're we're not, we're we're not final. And what we want in first

for us, for us it's that not a final dolorous. A lot of times fusion we're two concepts that is the murder and the suffering. The fact, when we're saying, look, I'm 808,

89, 92 years and she died of dormiening, we're good. When we know, when we've seen a person, enters in a disease chronica, it's years suffering and and suffering, and

suffering, yeah in the what we're not so that that's not that it's not that's not that's

that's that's the medicine, the medicine has over all to focus to reduce that

that's to help to be how can how can make, to augment the longitude

of the telomereos, how can reduce the processes inflammatory chronicles of low

grade how to make a microbiota to make sure the health of the cerebrose etc etc and the medicine is tallying for there and it's very well alas the life and alargas the quality and alas the quality of

years of that life now inevitably I'll get a moment in the all we're going to do so what is our relation with the death? I'm here

I've been from a medical swiza she called Elizabeth Culler Ross, a woman with a vision totally materialistic. She had a complete

of a vision spiritual, for complete. And she had a series of experiences in Europe after the Second

Worldial as in the States because she casso with North American and he exercised

in an hospital in Chicago standing with moribundos and he did a of

something extraordinarily, and it's been a and is considered the maximum reference a real

she's in tantalogy, the science of the murder. And so can

resum very well all your experience scientific in a phrase, the

murder, an mannace, the murder, that's we're we're saying,

we're we're we're the sense of that the death is the

final. The death is the final of the form but not is the final

of the final of the when the ola when the water gets to the wall disappear yeah

no has form muri-mur the form but no disappear the front the water

the ocean still is being present this this conviction profound and experiences

for example that we have been talking with people that people

that brought after there there It's kind of, obviously, as you a trage, but what is the ser, the conscience,

the alma, as each one, he wants to call it. That's so, that's very, very important. Because it's like a, like, like, a barco that you

see a time in the barco, you know, the barco, you know, is the barco, yeah not is, the barco is the arcance of your view. Sincarro, the barco

still navigating and, in fact, for waters much more tranquil. So, this is in a vision spiritual, it helps much, no has to enter

into a vision religious or of the religions traditional, a vision spiritual where one is that disappears the

form, like the wall, but no, it's a matter, this does much, much

a path, much tranquillity, and for the people who have been per'd be said, and that obviously

you know, they're in the presence of those people, imagineate, the consul of that there. Because in the fond, it's like, it's like to say, I'm a little

that's still alive, this o'clock has disappeared, but as two, we're one of us, we're something, in some moment,

we're going to find us. This is of a great idea tremendous. You, fizzate that a person who has heard a person who has said simply the analogy

of the barco and has changed to the car. And he has a change to the car. So, I think that that's, for nothing has been reneed with the science. We have great experts in this

camp, like the Dr. Manuel Sansegarra, that also has also much more than I in the camp of experiences at the time of the experience of the murder. And

I remember, also, not much in a documental scientific, where the head of neuro-cirurgy of the hospital of neuropsycher number one of

the world, said there's a case about only to a patient that had a paracary in chirofano, when they recovered, described instruments

that is impossible to describe for the complex that are. She didn't say how they'd say, but I could

say, that today, that today the science not very much in contra of this this idea,

for you, or call it a way, that you could disappear the form

what you know, it's a question. It's a question like

we're human of the analysis, what are after the death after

I'm sitting with Javier Canta he's been in the CERN of Swiss. And I'm, the question

as the question to be to respond and is that after the

death as as a medical, like a person, like a person. It's what are there. Where are we

what we're going? Sure, right. But, but fission also, I'd say one thing. I said Oscar

Weil, a person of grand profoundity that suffered for for determinated a lot

in his life. He was in the carcel and he he's he's

a frontis, he's a long said, the the major the

gracia, no is that we're going to to die. It's that we're going to live. For that's a matter of life. Because we're very preoccupied, in what willer when we'regues, and we're very little occupied in how to live

plenamently the life. So, car, we have a sense if you use our religious, that one, when he's mure, go to the sky, or to the, or at the

In the Inferno, where it's ever We don't know We're able to live in the cello here and can live in the

Inferno here. So, we know what more what will be after the place in the

place. Pablo Neruda, we all know, a magnificent, extraordinary a writer, has a

phrase that me always I always I think I have lived. At the final,

no is, I'm going to be not, I'm going I'm going to I'm thinking the quantity of things

extraordinary that are going to my life and that I'm doing for a chance. You're about you're doing I'm not.

I know, I know, the quantity of things that we have to explore the the quantity of things that

we can't live, that we can't understand. And we've talked much in the podcast of Aristotel

also the Eudemone not? The living in the virtue? Yeah. Living in

in the center, in the How is all of that? I want to enter a little in philosophy if you're the appetence. A me

I'm appetecting because me me I'm a lot of philosophy. Let's see. No, we'll forget us that the word

philosophy means to love to the sabiduria. Who has a more a compression more amplia?

I think there have been a series of the history that have connected to a form clearissima

with the fond of the things. Not with the form, but with the fund

the things. And it I'm going because his scriptures are written from other they're in

in the in the greece classical in the India in the oriente where

see they're and for so his texts are being vigentes and for so his

influence mark generations and generations platon never had been not been

his master socrates aristotle he passed 20 20 years with Platon 20 years with Platon

Aristotle not had been Aristotle but a Aristotle not a Socrates for sure

they said they said that they didn't no he didn't he said he said

he said he was he said in the heart of his discopulos wow

that that socrates is Socrates socrates when when Socrates the oracle of Elphos

he design a as the being a man more, more sabio of the world,

fiftate at what he had had been his ego. Because he could have said,

yeah, he was said, in the front, the oracul has

confirmed what I, and many others know, he

he was connected other dimension and he was

there a dimension that can can mark in

the coordinates of the time, the space, the matter, and the form. And for that, I'm that I'm, I know, and I know that. And even as, I know more than what these, what this,

know, that they're that they know, that no, that no, that no, that no know, that no, that no, that no so, it's a can't a humiliation, to the, averture, to, all, all, the discoveryment. So, for

course, Socrates had had accomplished and is very known the quadro of David, the grand

painter French, that also the coronation of Napoleon, is a quarter that I think he'll

I've been 10 years, that's the title, the death of Socrates. So,

so he's his disciple Platon, as a figure relevant in the in the camera in

the he was a car and he is done the

cup of Cicuta the the verdugo and the verdugo and the verdugo, because he looks to another side. Because the verdugo

when Socrates he does a man innocent. The interesting is that in the murder of Socrates, Socrates, carec yeah,

and Socrates, is related for his disciple Platon, that was in doubt he said, he'd say, how will have

to have a, if in the fond, you know, how you can you can't know, because he

had been know of that existence. For that is he's the that's the he's the he's the he's the

he says to his disciples don't you're if I don't know to be there and logically his influence

still standing so for me are people that have been a level of a

comprehension of the reality that to many of us we can't we're

complete. Mario, when you, for your work, you have to sit with people

with people that's people who manage many people. This program also, we've

about about about capabilities, of abilities, like the communication, the empathy,

the character. The carism. How he's a job to to be

a professional, a person, also in your family, with a rendiment spectacular, with some

capacities also these abilities that are these skills, abilities blandas, how does it how can we

do you? I've done to I don't, I never used the word soft skills because me it's a

thing of favor to the abilities more important I'm I'm just many years human skills.

They're abilities human. If it's a ability human, never can't be a soft skill, never can be able to be a ability bland. The empathy of a medical, of a person, of a person, of a person, the person,

a person to be a self-skill. If we know, we have a impact to level molecular, not are soft-skills, are human skills. I'm just. I mean, you know, I've always, I've always, I've got to, you know,

always that someone me do that, like, human skills. Like, the language in the being a human create a reality. And if we did not for what I

do to do the soft, when I'm going to think I'm never never I'm never never

never never never never about about the about let's

see it's a question for me difficult to respond because

there there's there has a character for his capacity

brutal to communicate like Barack Obama. Barack Obama. Barack Obama

is of the the best communicators that the world has known. His capacity to connect to connecter

through the communication is extraordinary. Of the fact that Sir Winston Churchill said that the ability

most important is the capacity to communicate. Because the capacity is also the capacity to

enamor is the capacity of influence. So the leaders that mobilizance are

great communicators. There there's a character that comes to that capacity of communication of that's

a word, that has the capacity to influence and to mobilize minds and there's a other type

of carism that's that's the level of a person. When you you see,

when you see, when someone says, when someone says, I'm going to do it, it's a

person, that person. That's, at final the person we're doing what we we're doing, not what we're

doing. There are people there are people who are very capacity to communicate, and so in a very

coerentes. And those people are coherent, they're in references. Why? Because who

is coherent is credible, who is viable, and we like to see those people that are

people, who are a thing, and then then does the contrary then, then we

must coerence, no is creible. Then we can't We can't see it for convenience, we can't

be able to but not to see it because really we're really really not it's impact and here

that irate something that for it's attractive. So I would say over the march

as the two forms of the two forms of the character when a person

has a capacity of communication capacity of influence and it's coherent that that person

is that can mobilize to many others. And in the sense more actual of the word, we'll

let's the crisis global that we have in the politics not, before, I see,

30, 40 years, not see, in the political, at the form, a level global, you've been

very well, with the fact of the fact of the fact those those

those those those values, why all this has changed? It has changed for the type of

society in which we've been where the media of communication influying in a form, where the information

also is a form different. It's a great question. I can talk of what I've lived

at the long of a long of a series of years. In first place, today,

we can we can't be much more than what we'd say, today,

we can access to information that has been not he could access to imagineate

for many years there was a there's a new a reprimote and you don't know

you today then say that's information so so on one

is the know is the what is what is I think what we think

what we're we're an alhament of the love to the fact

there there there there there there that, well, there's a dialogue between Jesus and Pilates,

where Pilato says, what is the truth? Like I said, the truth, no exists. The truth absolute maybe not exist. The truth absolute exists, but that we can't

capture to us, but what we know we know that is a and what we is, that is so is exist. That is

when in a society impera a culture where you know you know what is

a real that's we're our form to move us because the truth

or not the is necessary to know to know to know if I

in my time of ciruja I I'm I encounter

with a person that has a a malign

I I can say to say that with

compassion you You can say, look, you have you a tumor maligno, there's, there's a possibility to cure you. We're going to

apply this, this, this, this, and this. Why? Because if this person I don't, no, no, no, so it's a thing, and of

that's a patient, that comes in a oncology medical, radiotherapy. What, what,

the ability, I'm going to that person, what credibility to have to me. So, what is that

is that with the humility of that person that can't make a diagnosis, it's a that you have a tumor maligno

but that does the verdicts. I don't know the truth of the evolution because there many people that are

that I'm what you say? But what that's a moment more finality?

It's a moment very fine now now is a moment very important I

know to put you to say you to have to you have to you

have to have for this the truth, the truth, I'm a matter, even a

question, is a connect with the duress, that's cruel. That's cruel.

So, for one part, is the, the, the, the, the,

not to not to love about about fake news when I

know, we can't say, fake news. We'd have to say, mean,

remember, the power of the language. Fake news is more suave, the same as soft skills.

Mentira is totally different. No, this is a minute. No, it's that he goes and he's a not a fake news,

that's a minute. So we have to develop a major love to the truth. For other

other we've lost the the the the treatment

human. I'll say, many many times what you see is

that the is that the human is used as and not like a in the same in the third

in the third I think we've lost quite the dimension spiritual that's that's really to be connected

with a dimension religious has that you tiendas or buskes to be to be

a person with a point of a point of respect is that even even

that even even they think they're that even they're things

different of that you do you don't you that you know, you know, that in

every human, there's a thing that's a lot of a lot of there's a really, and then

so I think that all this, when you do you know, it's a one side, the fennus, and for

other part, the deshumanization, and in the last of spirituality, is a kind of cocktail

that no does not nothing. No, it's not good. Because, because

that's the entreatment, it's a polarization, it's to us, to put a to get a person

automatically in the way to try to try to think, one of the thing is the person,

and this this type of things that are so much, you're when you do you

do you is like when you come you come in a chispa a thing very humiliation, yes,

but the explosion is a thing really, yeah, So I think this is, for so it's, for so, pite of us, not only the politicians, the politicians, what the part is that

has that has a impact very great in the society, their decisions, but it's, but it's by part of all us others, a buskedom of what is the truth, sin imposition, sin dogmatism, but simply a disposition to know what is in reality,

because the truth is what the most is the most approximately the reality. In second place, a recuperation of the dignity of the person to say we're we're

visiones different, we're not we're things of different. That's not mean we're

we're we're going to have to be able to we're on the mess in that we're not

we're in we're to get to and we we're doing something together not

not not not not intend to destroy us one and then then

then that the world material is a important because we've here. I talk this mess, I need this mess for able to have the microphone, to have the vase of water, to be able to put in the

water, but that's a dimension that is material, that is of other order, that is spiritual, energetic, as we want to let us know,

so if we've been so farred to the material, the form, the time and the space, then we're doing the back to a

a dimension that offers, an, offers, some resources, some capacities in form of creativity, intuition, capacity of encounter, sanation, that we're just being

going to pass.