Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Curación vs. Sanación: cómo tu mente ayuda (o perjudica) a tu cuerpo

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

¿Sabías que curar y sanar no son lo mismo? En esta conversación con Nude Project exploramos esta importante diferencia. Hablamos de la relación mente–cuerpo y de qué manera todo lo psicológico tiene un reflejo físico y viceversa.También profundizamos en la diferencia entre aceptación y resignación; y cómo entender e integrar estos conceptos es el primer paso para reducir el cortisol y permitir que el sistema inmune haga mejor su trabajo.Deseo que esta conversación te anime a cuidar lo que piensas, sientes y haces. Cambiar cómo gestionas el estrés puede transformar tu energía, tu calma y la forma en que tu cuerpo se recupera.🌐⁠Página Web⁠📷⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠Youtube⁠📲⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠🎟️Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2025

The majority of the industry of the world medical is focalize in the care, solution problems existent, when you what fomentas much is how to look that health, no, how to be? And that now-missom, your form of sanament or to sanar the world or transmit a message,

is much more focused on that. The grand, the father of all the medicine Occidental has a number. And it's Hippocrates. the creator of the school of Epidauro. And Hippocrates said something about approximately

said, no no we'll forget of that who cures the disease is the organism. It's here Bruno, we have to mark

a difference between curing and sanar. The curation comes from not not to know the

incredible advances of the medicine is absurd. The medicine now the medicine Occidental can give you an aid inestimable

ante montones of problems from infections to traumatisms to pathologies tumourales but we have always we've already

and in great measure of what is the sanation if the curation comes from the sunnation comes from

that can make in a moment of the that's a the same that's very severe,

Ponga Ponga in marcha his system of defense those lymphocitos ases those lymphocytes

CD4, CD8, those globules those fibroblasts, all a of mediators

chemis and to mediators to say to to that Cule to this tumor, here no you have

that's that's that's the system of defense, those mechanisms hormonals, those capacities or resources, they're to, to dream. And the tumour, say, I'm, I'm a point very important.

Well, I can't be more to be more of a quarter, and just a conversation that's been recently with Alex is, now enter into a phase as difficult of the company, because it's the Q4, is a moment of much tension,

much stress, and I, when I stress of that, the rependezed all the whole of the whole when I'm

start all this it's a me tensed and it and the first I'm to go to

go to, I'm, to go to, to fissio. I'm going to get to all this

tension to and I really a but if the day next I will be to stress

if I'm going to go, no, is that here what I'm to do to find

to find mechanisms to be to be to be this stress to a way

more more more more to feel very in the moment and no you have to discrediting it. It does a job incredible, but no my solution to this problem that

comes to the head. If you think, I think, I think, it's very important to parrarn us a moment to talk about the relation between the

body and the mind. Let's see, traditionally, it's been, that's been to the medicine psychosomatic.

is that was the somatic, is to say, the corporal, oh, well, I've, well, I'm a... an inflammation of an articulation, it's my... it's a-enrogeyed, me duly, me cussed

and it was the somatic. Then, it was the psychological. I have a quadro of anxiety, a quarter of depression, and then, then, and then was the psychosomatic, that was like a kind of a cajone-desast. psychosomatic. So it's very

if it's psychosomatic. Let's know. The psychosomatic is that all is psychosomatic. All the psychological has an impact somatic and all the somatic has an impact

psychological. For example, when you give that session of physiotherapy, Bruno, are relaxing your body and are relaxing your mind.

Because the the body has an impact in the mind. And when you relax your mind, also relaxes your

body, the famous corazas neuromuscular. So, this is importantism, why? Because if not, we'll tend, no, this is a thing only psychological, no, it's a topic, no, no, no, here no, here no, we have to

have to be able to do their state emotional. All is psychosomatic, for that is so important, an abortage multidisciplinary and a mirada much more horizontal.

But is that we're, we very, very, very to compartmentalize the things and then then we're always of that form part of a total.

It's like if I, I said, no, the ligado is the ligado, eh? The ligado is the legado, but the ligato has a no, no,

to me only only the car, I don't me me not interest. O'ye, the ligad and the pancreas are constantly in communication.

The 60 trillions of cells that we have to have to give a premium Nobel to the who has told that's

he's a man, they're talking between they're doing

a question, the number of the longitude of nerves that unen the

neuro-ege that is encephal medulla spinal with the body, what

the fifted that would be of the nerves that so they're

so, so it's the the nerves that we are those the

long, the long, the cortes and they are to the long. To me not me say,

not you know, we'll make you a estimation, we're going to be. A lot of one of course. I have an idea. Well, yeah, it's... Well, yeah, sure. I'd have no. Okay, but no, I guess

a barbarity. Bruno, I mean, content that I see that you're of those that you're on the backer, you know, what I'm going to say 15,000.

15,000 kilometers. I said, to the bagheera. I mean, you imagine that you have 15,000 kilometers, we've been You've been to have said, and go to

and then, is it and go to and go to go to? I mean, you know, you know, you know, you're going nervous, eh?

A'er, all right. We're talking about about kilometers to or not or meters. Two.

I'm me, it's very that you're much more rational, two. Two,

because for you, that more of two meters, no matter. Between 15,000 and two has been

to be that's that's so good tant. It's calculated. It's 150,000.

So how is possible that there are 150,000 kilometers of nerves, within us in us connecting the neuro-ege,

is the system nervous-nervios central, encephal, which is Cerebro, Cerebel, tronco-Cerebral,

and medulla, with the body, and how can think that the mental not going

affect to the body and that the body, not affect to the mind. Sordo, are part

of the same. It's like my man, he has a palm and has a torso, are different

but no I can't separate them, no one no one has a man, no no more than a bad

about a and that's you know, and that you've said a phrase that's that I've been a

love to I've got much a huge accumulated, you in what phase to your

time you know we're not we're saying the life is like the life is the family

with that metaphor of the Camiro, you in what part you're in your community of Santiago? Well, I don't

have any idea. Honestly, and is what I think is the most appassionate. I mean, the most

appassionant for me is that I know where is Santiago, I'm talking now metaphorically

but no see in what moment or in what at what time I'm I'm

I'm simply, I'm constantly in movement and I'm open to let me surprise.

Mario, and in relation with those different stages of your life, those discoveries that you have said,

we've heard that you've been, if I am an year, I did a

question. You know, I did a program of a year with butan, I'm

not I did a year. The program was a program of a year to profundize in concepts where are

pioneers and, and, for today, un-is-on-the-mundoing in the world, concepts about, about a concept of

the felicity. So that program was an program exigente that implicable to be to different places and one

of the years, during a time, was a Bhutan. And, you have to

go working with the center JENage Center, which is the

all the things of the of the of the of the form online etc etc and what me moved there is

that for me was very important the theme always been very important the time the time of the

and know the only country in the country is the important

that the government the parliament that the parliament that's the people

me it was something, it was a very beautiful. What you've got it? What you've got it? The first thing was that there was that there are things very simple that if we'd the perception of felicity would be a much major.

For example, dispone of time to do that those things that we just, the importance that has the community, the being the connection with the nature in Bhutan for constitution in the constitution appears that there is to preserve the 60% minimum of the Bosque in Bhutan this imagine what

what he's excursions more excursions trekkings for the Himalaya and because it's in plen Himalaya and the the the connection with the nature is extraordinary no the importance that they're to have sentiments bondadosos to the other, that not

they're not indifferent. And, over all, there's to have to be a vision of the fourth rei. Actuality is his son.

The monarch, is his son. And the fourth rey, perdi his father in a moment when was very young, and he

began to investigate how he went to the world, and he said to in general in the in the in the product interior brutal and a a lot of the events,

it's a lot of things and he said there's a there's a during three years to to bea for all the

country is a a country is a a country is a carneters you have with conductors locales because

the carretas are tremendous and of a repent and you have a animal and you have to have much

to have much to have what is what I consider the people that he was

what I So on that he created a concept that is the Grouse National Happiness Index, as Brutel is brutal, and he said, we're going to dedicate

our politics, not to make the people be happy, but to favorize that be more easy. I want to hear here to make an impact on the thing of the felicity, that me is something that always has

always that is something that naturally the humans we're going to, no, the Everyone wants to be happy. It's a very, the fact of being the fact that we're

going to be more medical, more people, and we're going about more different, and everyone has a description of the thing. It's a beckxatio,

with you with the with the other and with the fact in the computer global they're saying

you're at a gusto no yes is all perfect no but you're to be to acceptation

this how accept well so because I said why I've said and for we've

we've we're we're there's there's so you're you're When you've got this

house, you'll be when you when you're the chick, the child, you'll when you're

when you know, you're going you're you're you're feeling because we're

we're we're we don't we we're there's a, there's

a person very curious in the literature that's called Nas Rudin and

Narudin is used to send a a message with a little

story day, Narrudin, is the above of a farola, there's a farola encendida, all the car, the rest of the car are still in the car, it's all nervous. And he's he's looking, and he says, What does Narudin?

He's, I'm looking my the key in my house. No could enter because the, I've perished, oh, you've said, oh, has perished? Ah, you've been to have been behind the farola? He's, then, so why you're, because it's the only

place where there's the only place? of this what is it that we're that we're that we're we're

we're not we're we're we're looking the life of the lifeity where no

is the because we're the only where it's the only a single that we see

the thing we're the that is a state of the self

of what we're not it not a state of tenor the tenor

we can give a being a un-stair subjective, that's very very

good to be a very very very good to come is very

very very not to be great, is stupend is stupend

in a sion very very very for you for me but it's

for me the goce of my sense the the

fric is the gozo of the that is something

is something that affect to And when one is FELLIS, one is FELLIS when is capable of

to love without conditions. Every person that is able to be able to have been their own naturalness

is fair is I mean, I am as humans not for how soys not for how

me treatise but for who you're doing and then how I'm to love someone who why I'm because I'm

that I'm that's a different so the that we we're going to find to learn

to learn to find out that when you you're when you you're that you

can't that's capable to love to without you

inevitably start to move to move to something so the difficulty is

to learn to what I mean is a state permanent? Yes, all that person that in his life

that's about help contribute, be in the attack not maldad but

not a the to castigar correct is a person that every is a person that every

bit is a major gozo in what is the what is we know that's we're because we've

we've we're we're we're so I'm you know you're doing you want to

you want to you want to you know I'm so I'm if you do the things that

you know because we've always we've been that's so so

so so you are different to me are you are much more more

you're probably probably probably probably besties more than

the right but probably besties better than I. I'm different. But I, to really, you know, Bruno and Alex, I don't

feel like distant. I mean, I've seen physically, oh, you know, we've been a little talking about before, but I feel profoundly

connected with you and look, that you're different between you. And you you're not you see as as far as

because, because I am sure to be a good to Bruno and I'm super a gusto

and I know, I'm because you because Because you, because I who I think really that to have that to have that

the form of sard, but to the person that is. And this can sound a little bit strange. But, clear, is that the concept of the felicity, not is a concept physical, is a concept metaphysical. For that is more than more than the physical, but all we know,

the studio most large that exists in the world about the felicity, no-any that has supered this study. I think they're going for the third director, because the two anteriores were from the juvento accumulated. I mean, imagine the third editor,

what has shown? What element most important the felicity is the connection with the other? When you're you're connected with the other? Well, doctor, with that fantastic definition of the felicity, other question that I do

that is like, always when I've intended to, or every more, when I'm trying to know to to know me more, to acercar me more to this state of felicity, I've learned to summarize it in three things, that are the

purpose, the community, and the spirituality. For me, summarizes very well what for me signifies that felicity. And we've talked much the two first pats, no, which is a purpose, or maybe we're going to talk more now in a future and community, that you have symbolized as much

so important, but the part spiritual, that is something that me still still me still cost me more. And for example, I went to Bhutan, too, before four years, my parents me gave me the blessing of that the voyage and me it was a spectacular.

I remember that me impacted much of Bhutan, the spiritual that was, that's, I'm going to, first,

if me permit you, mark a difference between spirituality and religiosity. Right. Religiosity, a religion, is something

that's something that's a initially, with the objective of religare, of the Latin, to be,

to unir what is separate. In this is absolutely connected with the spirituality. The spirituality is all that

that's all of the ego and us connect to us with our being, with the other, with the

world. Well, until there well, in second there, there's a series of

practices in the religions, in the religions, a series of, a series of the,

of the practices compartids, and a a determined community. Well, the spirituality is a buskedom personal

your with that you transcending. Transcending, the verb transcending, in Latin, go more to you. It's, is,

that's, that's, that me connect to me with Bruno, that me with Alex, that me with the

people who are helping in this in this conversation, that, in this conversation, that me connect to me with the

naturala, that me connect to me with me, with me, with me, that's, that's, that is the spirituality. The religion buska is a point to connectart. When that point is based on the

love and in the capacity of pardon, is very alineated with the spirituality. When it's that magic of the

experience of an amor inconditional and of a capacity of Pardonar not the maldath, but the ignorance, understand what you mean,

what you're saying? Don't know what I'm going to say? When there's a lot of someter, if you're of the most, you're against me. If no, you know,

then where is the amor there? Where is the valoration of the diversity? Where is the respect or other forms of thinking? So, now

now we're focus on the spirituality, right? To mark a difference because many people

them, they, it's, they're in it's, and I know the so, we're in

a way of a way we're in a spiritual. All right, because we are in a life

spiritual? Because conforme you, you're you, you're more in the

relation, the barriers that are that are disiping, that's that's not me is

indifference what you what you the part. The spirituality is what that's the

human the thing is the essence of what we're not we're we're

we're we're not but we're we're people so when you

enter in an entron when you you feel profoundly that

they know they're they they're they're they they're

they something to it's to be able to start to get to get a

thing and that's the spirituality so all the world that's the

people is that is that I think it in the point of in the

place in the place where really that really that

that is that that that that first first

thing for for that for that for that

that that is that love not a true

that, Sino Amor like my form to live. In second other

place, for that capacity to pardoner, because no you see

maldap , you know, that's an one that has consequences the

acts, that not are the but your is castigar

you, your voluntas is correct it. It's a

difference enormous. In third in the other place, you you've commented, you, Bruno, the

theme of the acceptation. But it's an acceptation that nothing has to be a resignation.

The resignation is a rencour submerged. Me have to want to the

acceptation you impulsed. It's now, I'm not, I'm that I'm but

not is where I want to be to start in the future. When I

had the apparatus ingestive, I've had to have been to do a curgia

a lot of a surgery of tumours malignous and one of the things that I need to

do with my infirmes is that accept their unfermada and I

will explain because accept the thing is assume the

point A now I'm not I'm not I'm so resign is

infront is enfal rechazzar. Now, assume, for contraintuitive, that it's like to have a barraiser. Abrazo that situation.

Assume. Assume that this is so. But not assume that where I'm where I'm going to be to be not to be equal to a. Fiacos, the important

that is this, the resignation produce, this I've been about years, the liberation of the hormon for the landul

subrenanals that's the cortisol. The cortisole that is the result of the stress chronic or distress, as described Professor Hanselli, the cortisol, fission what does it,

reduce the capacity of the system immune to fight against the tumor, while the acceptation to be down the levels of cortisol. With the way, the system immune, which is the that has the has to be to carry really with the aid exterior, with the surgery,

with the surgery, with what that, the thing has to have to have to have to the tumor the system immune function much better

so that that's a capacity to accept, is I'm assume that's the situation,

now I don't I don't I'm the why but maybe there's a for-a-

there a sense that now I'm there's so is so,

it's been many many practicing the surgery that they're

the doctor, the the Because I've done that I don't I've never seen I've needed this goal

in the life to spabilary there's people that's like a maldiction terrible that people there's a

people who see that the world and is that the body respond in a form different it's tremendous

it's tremendous it's tremendous