Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Hasta que no perdoné… no fui libre

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

¿Hasta qué punto podemos mostrarnos tal como somos cuando el entorno parece no estar preparado para sostenernos? ¿Qué sucede cuando abrimos nuestro corazón y, en lugar de empatía, encontramos rechazo? En esta conversación, Hermógenes nos habla de su proceso tras atravesar un momento de dificultad, del estigma, del dolor... pero también de su resurgir como el ave fénix gracias al perdón, la generosidad y el amor propio.En este nuevo episodio, me siento profundamente agradecido y honrado de compartir con vosotros una conversación de profunda transformación que nos facilita Hermógenes. A lo largo de ella también reflexionamos juntos sobre el crecimiento postraumático, el valor del perdón, el poder del amor propio y la importancia de abrazar nuestras heridas como parte de nuestra evolución.🌐⁠⁠Página Web⁠⁠📷⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠⁠Youtube⁠⁠📲⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🎟️⁠Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2025

That, until we don't pardoning us, we're libees. And that that's a pardon really is a pardoning in the that's only we're not only

we're not we're to us. There's a moment in which your vulnerability, no decides that's that's

the reaction of the person. Because it's seen that people who are people that are many

difficult, they can connect with something that is in their interior that's that's a desperer

and it's a presenting, a realisement a evolution that for the person would have needed

much more more time dear hermogenes welcome hello what is what is your

question my my question has to be with the

vulnerability is if when you when you when you have some, let's

a name a defect, between commies, you you've exponel or not

you're exponel what is your experience in this sense not necessarily

the experience that you get a question but a experience that has

been a long of your life is what is what is

what is what is what is what has when independently of the

age that you have you have you have

of some that's that's a space you, you know, that could be considered,

no we know, that could be considered, as you a defect. A bit, I'm being a person

that had had been a new symptom, I've had a mental, and me

to not comporting how I should be to think the can't

establishes established. Establetes. So, the problem is that the the company and the society in general, I know that no

that's about it. The thing is that if you go, if you're going to be able, if you're going to vulnerable, the people are stigmatized. Okay. So, we're going to imagine that situation,

that, well, it's a situation real, but I mean, to say, we're going to see, we're going to be in that situation, a person has to have a conduct,

say, a little sort of for a very for in the way, and reveal a, a that has in this case, a situation mental, that he has generated a determined

to do you know a certain of your services, correct. How did you sendist, you, at abrited? No, when you received that that's a notice

to, we've decided prescinded of their services for this

and for this and how you you you know in the moment in the moment

that's not a because when I when I got I'm got to

the the things so so I'm so that

if can they can they can be in my

case in my case was that in the moment that me,

and immediately me encirrary. So, they're all that situation, to be in

the psychiatric and the to be toergey all the they could keep to get to

work, and to be my family. What chaste to the men?

Eched less, carino. Echaste to the more cario.

How how you sentiste treated? Mal, but not not only that me were not

but that this to posterior me led to go to the pozo. The

psychologists are the negation, then the ira and then the reflection.

I directly I'm I'm the ira was the that he was the

conde Montecristo. Uh-huh. That what you passed that in In the principle, it was a problem.

When you take a little more of distance and you see the movie and you see it as a day, you're seeing being as a problem or you see as an opportunity for that something new or something? It was a work of art.

You can't explain it? Yes, the situations that you pass when those interiorizes and you're asumes, then they're, then it's Functiona that the most important was that I saw that various apprentices, but one of the most important is

that until that no is no is free. You discovered something that that pertainees not at the rank of the intellect, but the rank of the sabiduria, which is another level. At the rank of the sabiduria us being saying the great masters to the long of the history

that until we don't pardon us, we're not sereners. and that that that's really is a pardon in the that we're not only we're not only

we're not to us ourselves what is really really surprising. You have the sensation that that

that that you you to do to you to do

I'm because I took a process very long of a

a fight and of a future and continue and after the moment that I'm

never I never I'm never I'm even though that I'm never the thing you did you

did you did that you know no it's a process a lot so the transformation

that one is immediate and change in some another change in some another

another even even it's after after that's after

that acceptation, to recorrent, what is the duelo, and to, and to get to that level of you, you know, did a way different to how you saw you

see as before? Yes, what, what is that, for my manner of being, the, part important is to be to look at the point of inflection where that's

not, no, not it's a duel or but to say, we have to look at the moment, no? And that

moment, what he was? The, But it marked the generosity. Of who? Mia, to my in-in-a-a-a-a-i-a-i-

Can you explain to? Yes, my wife was the company also, my ex-muchner was the company also, and then my wife no, I wanted,

then I did, all the thing to do the company, she was to do, she got to graduate after a month. So,

so his mother she left without arguments to, to continue to be luching. Luching

against you? Yes. There's are two values that have marked much

your process of the baby phoenix that resurge of the genisers that that be

that one, the pardon and other the generosity add you

any factor more what I said at the first the

I'm the I'm you have to assume that

no all the world you who's who is the person most important that you have to

care? I'm I'm sure. And you have experimented a major care of you after you

that's been after that yeah, clearly so it's fundamental, you know, it's like

if it's like if it goes over the water. We're going to find

a response to your question to initial. Your question initial was, until

what one should show your vulnerability? And you us offeres the only that really

my experience has a experience vividas, not discourses or

texts studied, no? There's a moment in that your vulnerability

not decides that you say, and that vulnerability

is the reaction of the people. And the people not is that

we're not that we're not that people are people are we're in profound and we're we're

we're and what we're disorienta what we make a what makes a

much of and in your case was so and in your sentiste that there was a desire

a desire because obviously you're going for a moment very difficult and sentiste the absolute fault of

care. And, in that process that you know that you did you that the

life, that was that you experimented for one part what is the

syndrome stress post-traumat that is that tension that alteration profound when

one has experimented a situation very, very, very complex. But you not you kept up there, fissure. You got to something that has an important, and it's a message very important for

any person that has experimented something something similar to what you. Experimented Crecimentment post-traumatic. Crescento post-traumatic, today is something to what is a lot that is a lot of that person that They've been for moments very difficult

could have been something like what you passed, persons that have been in conflicts bellics,

persons who have had been a client a car tremendous, where they have had been

a man have experienced some some some kind of very

serious. When those people can get to connect

with something that there in the interior and

that that that it's to start, it's a a

presentent a revolution that for the person would have needed to expect to that's

a probably would have needed much much more time. And you discovered

three values that we know, we know that have an impact

extraordinary in the cresimient post-traumat curious one. One, pardoner

and pardoners. For other side, the generosity. In a moment of profound scarcity, all of what you had you had been achieved for your job, for a 20 of years in the company, no doubted in darstle to be your ser more than your child, to

your child. With what which, any type of prevention, whatever type of doubt that you had to be the question, she dissiped. Because the children don't want fathers perfects, they're parents that really they love. So, to mar-de-pico, is one thing,

and when all what you economically, you know, you know, you're doing a future, tremendously incert, because you're not

to be able to work or not to be able to work, et cetera, you do it, you're going to do you know, and in the third

exercise of reflection, have taken that distance, and have been said, I'm much more than my dolences.

I see much more than my conducts that can be discordantes with a form to terminate to live. I'm a

much more than that's you connect us and you know, I think that's maybe we're

maybe we're going to give us to the question. If, or if the

life will be to be that we we can we're not we not so

it's not it is I want to I'm I to Entendienting that we can have defectors, but never

are a serious defectuos. The distinction is very important, because who has a defector, assume that has a defector. I can't have a orue that no correspond with the norma, or I can't have a volume that not correspond with the norm a cultural. But that's no me convictuoso. I still being a being a being a being a being a certain person absolutely valid, because my

value not depends of what I my value depends of what I'm this this conversation

that we're having ermogenes resuena in your interior yes but I

know if can get more far because one one thing is that

I think I'm that in me it's but I'm here precisely

for that to be if if he value to the other, no? So,

I mean, I mean, well, precisely we're doing these conversations for that's

so. It's before that we put us in this conversation, you and

we've talked and we've commented that you feel you're comod

contando what you want to that if you want to that

that you don't, if you not, you know, you know, you did you

have decided to to tell it, well, in a form totally clear and rotunda.

Is this to bring the vulnerability? Yes. You know who's who's seeing?

No. You know can be decenance, hundreds of millions of people or even millions

of persons. You you have done the response. How's people that are

to be they're to feel inspired They're going to feel valored they're

they're not for what I have said, but for what you have shown. So,

you have the proper response. Is a gesture of generosity to the other

do you? Yes. It's a gesture where you do you do

you think that you have encirred a lot of the

know, I don't know well, no, I know. Well, no we don't know no,

now if really this conversation has a impact on the other even a person,

and it and he wants that that he wants, that accept his vulnerabilities,

that even if he he's a middle laboral or simply in an

environment in an social determined, is more susceptible, to the power and the

need to a It's a voluntary or involuntarily its vulnerability. If we we'll see that effect,

not you think this could be in the range of what the world today needs?

Totally. Well, well, that's what were those sabies from the

antiqued. The sabiduria not is to know much of the books or

be a person very erudita but know to what to what we have this to what we call the

life. Dearies friends, ohjala this conversation has been the impact on you that has

been in me. Cuyardos.