Dr. Mario Alonso Puig - Tu mente decide antes que tú (y cómo recuperar el control)

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

¿Quién decide primero: tú o tu mente? ¿Y qué nos diferencia realmente de la inteligencia artificial que no deja de avanzar? En esta conversación con Alberto, partimos del test de Turing para abrir una pregunta mayor: la consciencia. A partir de ahí, nos detenemos en ese microinstante entre impulso y respuesta y exploramos cómo cultivar una actitud de humildad radical para pasar del impulso al diálogo; del “tengo razón” al escuchar de verdad. Deseo que esta conversación te ayude a habitar el instante entre estímulo y respuesta, a recuperar el control y a recordar lo esencial de lo humano en tiempos de IA.🌐⁠Página Web⁠📷⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠▶️⁠Youtube⁠📲⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠🎟️Entradas a la nueva conferencia 2025

Alan Turing, who is the father of the computation, he's, he created a test, origined a

test for, to be a machine could be or not intelligent. And he said,

the test is the the same. You goges a person that chatte for two ways

different, in a case with a person and other with an person, with a

machine. If the person, that is who is what is the machine is intelligent. The chat GPT

has passed for the first the test of Turing and I said I if it's intelligent

that we don't then it's then of the machines and I say I

think it I'm know that we're we're we're we're a future

I suppose that the conscience no well that is a

question that's a question what is what is what we

do what is the intelligence artificial that not to grow

no. No, there's no way the intelligence artificial yeah does

processes, detainous processes much better than a person. No, there's to have to

consider in that the base intelligence artificial are the networks, and that

not even those, those that are not the creation of the creation artificial

know what is the because it's the new ones, you put the the neuron

A, that you know you you know, you know what you know

and the and what does it is not or B, is something new. A. B. But, look, but,

but, you know, but, you know, it's not even ABE. It's C. It's like when the oxygen and the hydrogen are

unen. It's a thing, that's something new. So, from that's a point of view of that there

functions, that the intelligence artificial are much better, and it's doing

much more than a person. So the question is, what does what does do the

things? I think three things that the machines never can't to do.

The first is to love. The second is to have faith,

and the third is to have hope. I think those are three things that

are the human for our dimension spiritual. But that is consequence

of being and the consciousness where is the world? Well,

here there is this is a point very interesting because

there is a conflict permanent between neurocientifices that explore the conscience

there are neuroscientifices that are that the conscience is a product of the activity

cerebral. The cerebral genera the conscience and there other

scientists and the same tally that that are

that the is a product of the is collective. So that is

a so that is a conscious collective like the that

I'm the inconsient collective, there's a conscience collective, that's materialize

in a cerebral, in a body, in a series of things. And those

that are a favor of the second opinion, among those that I'm

am are, are physical theorical, are mysticos, are philosophers, and some

philosophers, and some writers, like, for example, some of the Romanticism Alemann, or even of other times of the history. So, for that can't be a little

scurrizo, I'll explain to the same way. We're not, so we're so, someone enciended the radio. And for encendal the radio, it's a part of physical. If that's a parable, you

do you do a paris, and no, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if, and if, you, is that's fumado to do you know, because normally the

paredes not the way of the moment. So, you know, you have to get to the

apparatus of radio? The question is, the music is, the music, the music

the music that produces the the apparate of radio? No. The apparatus

is fundamental to connect with the on the acoustics that are, for

example, the copy, that are that to have the experience of conscience? Naturally, that is the cerebral

genera the conscience. This is very dudoso. And, and even today, the science, especially with the discovery,

for the professor Gershom, of the second cerebrose, that has his form of conscience, you know,

about only that the cerebron that's many intuctions come of the apparatus.

We've talked one one of the instinct of the body that's

the body that's Yeah, no is not even the sector more of the science totally rigid at the hour

to think that only the conciencia process. There, for example, a series of the nerves,

the 5, the 7, the 9, the 11 and the 10, the nerve vago, that have

much to be with that a person is a tranquilla, stay serena

or is alterated. There are certain therapies that help to liberate those

nervios and automatically the person is more, it's more a person more social in person more than a person more

tranquill and here have been a manipulation physical. It has been a, and have been nervous, not

has been something of the activity cerebral, if it's really, that's a activity

nervous, but in contact with certain the muscles, we know, we're

we're we're in, those that we're in our world of our own conditions, but not

rigid. What is the inconsient? The incocient The incocientist is probably...

The incocient is known quite before of Simon Freud. Of course, Freud learned, the power of incociente

with Charcot in an hospit in Marse in Paris. So, what is that Freud was that a very good

packaging. It's a packetyed very well and apart he has much merit of those

things. Freud distinguished in the inconscient two parts. What he called

the preccient and what he he called the sub-conscient if you I'm sorry what I'm

what I'm what you did you at the time you know you know but if you put you

to think you're well you I'm taking my my mother this and you

and you start or you can't do you can't you because there

people that he's people that's that's just is yet the pre-conscient

you don't you you don't you accessible, but you can't you have to say in the point of the language. I don't have the point of the language, no?

And the pre-consciente has obviously different levels. What is the subconscious? The sub-consciente is the part of the that you're not conscious, but

that normally obeyed to a tapas pre-verbales. It's that we're very very little, where we're going to be

the capacity to verbalize and interpretals, and there And there are many of our our little traumas, little or grand, our

our murders, our things that we're doing and our society and our social So, for that's so it's so

it's difficult to acceder to that level, simply at the word, because many of them

are pre-verbales. But, but the mythos, as they're a component of an component of a

sensation, a component of emotion, apart of that there's a component verbal, that can get to get a level very,

very profound. In the last we've been to tell stories how they're related to be there. So,

so the subconscious, so can get one into the subconscious? Yes. One

can enter in the subconscious the, we're verbally, you can be able to

get in the door. you can't enter a time when you

when you you can't a certain level of silence of quiet and the

conscientious no interferes with that the trin constant of the

critical or said Santa Teresa of Jesus Teresa Avila

said the local of the person referring that that

that when you don't let when you when you can you can

have experience experience very experiences very And, in fact, there's a change in the on the ondas'

enter's in a pattern that's called Ondas Teta, where you're in levels yeah profound in that that's an

ample inconscient. And in that moment, you can see things that have passed, can aflour resources

that you know you know, you know, that's that's it's that, I don't

see, we don't know we don't know that we know the part conscientious or in the part inconscientia? Well, there have been

scientists, to which I've read to you, honestly, not where has taken that data, but for the category of

the scientific, I'm, I'm, they'll have seen with detail, they're, they're doing

we're a present about 20 millions of bytes of information per second. You know,

of how, of what, of what, we're conscious? 20. What You're saying, Mario.

$0.50. The rest disappeared. For that the major part of the things surprising and

interesting are going to in the space of our inattention. So, that the decisions that

we're going on the inconscientate. This was a, this was a debate very great

that took a place, it began in California and it extended, that

it He gave a cab, Benjamin Lieber, using electroencephalography, he asked a lot of a series of volunteers that will be taken decisions. And he said, for what have taken up to the decision? No, for this, for this, and for this. So when he studied the register, he did a point that the first activation had been in parts of the cerebr of which we are not known.

had had arrived at that the consciousness that the person interpreted that was

deciding so. In base to this the question about the question

about the question, and the question, for the most the that I

would be that is that is that if we are not in the

the way we we imagine that is that we

we're we we're that we're that we're we're

that we're of a destiny, but there are many forces inconscientes that are

as far as those that are not not being they're that's they're that's

any kind of decision. And there some type of exercise that someone can do

to review to see the decision that's the decision that is based in something

that's based on the most the most the the

those the just the the really not not

not We say, this is so, and so it's a lot of a good, it's a not a

little bit of a good that's a little bit of Jesus, being a person, be able to be

to say, being able to say, this is to this is with a clarity meridiana, but

I'm that's me escape to a I'm to thinker I'm a question.

You're I'm doing a course about the power of the communication to a group of engineers of a company of a very known

international. So I'm who I'm an enamorado of the power of the inconsciente in the health and we have many those new hospitals

that they're refuerza for some of the most hospitals of the world. I said in a tone of

the more normal, I said, to have an attitude positive in the life is fundamental

when you have to face a problem of a program of I don't know because I did that, but for a reason would have, and then

one person, among you know, Mario, but in a tono, like intense, me said, that's not so, if you have a cancer, you're and you're not more to talk. I, in that moment... Ooh, that's clear, it was.

Yeah, yeah, I, see, but f's, but, but, fiegette, what I discovered, no? I, in that moment, I felt like a, like a a kind of impact internal. And then

I'm a little and I'm about it. That's all the bibliography and all the knowledge that

had to be if it could enter in ciphras, in data, and in science. Satisfached

of my labor, of having me been up and have been a great- and have been

doing the course. And the course, repeat, was a course of a

of communication. And all those were passing well, this no didn't open the book. Mario no

didn't even open to be my room. I went to my whole of my thing to get to my thing, and I was pern't we had to end up to

the end up to say, well, because no there'd have nothing to say. I'm mantoo in silence. I've had that a trocito of humility to compensate with the fault of humility

that I've had had earlier and then it's a like if if it's me illuminer a little

a bit of it's it's there's there's a bit of the message that you

you've done a that's a message to share generously your

your levels of those and one incociente is no you

don't no idea but you I'm to machack of information

and And what happens? That no I've planteded that, this man, had a familyar, the person most positive of the world, and resulta that's that he's muriel in a

time absolutely impervisible. No, even me had planned. Because that reaction visceral not is normal. But I, what I did? I, I'm listening, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to,

I'm going to, no. So, I'm going to do, Mario, what is to do the next time that's the next time that I occur? And, see, how my ego is a piece of a question, Mario, demestral to this, the equivocado that is.

You're going to be a part, you're going to take a respiration, and you're going to take the position of someone that he knows, and you want to

ask a, a minute after, I was doing a conference in this case for persons of the world

of the telecommunications and it was a thing appeared. And in this case a woman, he said, no I'm in absolute of the quote. The element emotional no has any effect on the health. And I

noticed how I started that beastia to start. How I started that bestia to stirrars? And then, I piqued subbing to the coo'ejo. Yeah, and I said, to go back. To the sotano

where you're going. I goth. Respired three, three times. I re-relagued, and I would like to know what you does it. No you know

what is abri, Albert. No you know what he began to emerge what this

woman began to say the the the the first in the that's

the thing, my, what we we're what we have I've

have I've I've I'm I'm with a self humility

so. So, what when one when one want to

be really be really have to opt have to

have to have optar for the question and the listen atent, not for the dogma. Because in

that in the inconsient that we get to get us in down, it's a much

a much prejuice, but not it's a this is a juice, this is a prejuice

it's, it's a realtent and absolute verad. And then what is what you

have to impone impone, cras or so that we don't we're

our incocient, or not we're not not we We don't we are what we think we We're not

We're not our Inconsient We're not we're We're thinking We're We're sentiments We're We're not

We're not We're not It's the Ser, the essence What we What we You know we

You're You're No, I'm I'm a No That's a profession I'm a

I'm a So it's That's a That's something That's a That's all So it's So you

The moment in that you get you get a a thing that add to that add to that the same the angustia

ontica, what I mean to say, the fact that I'm that I'm that there's a voyage

to explore that you that's that you're much more than your moments back,

you're much more than a problem if you're much more more than a culp

if you you're much more than a a vergence if you payces for

you. You're much more than your tuitos you your possessions, you're who

you're and this, that it's that's what does really a reason to be a person to be

that's a thing we're that we're that we're that we're that we're that we're a problem that

we're not to not listen to encerarned in our segos of confirmation those cs

and those csgo's so can include information very well basated and analysis and

is that is that we're trying, is that you're talking to to talk about this story with Mario, and is that we're going to put our data on on the table.

Yes, because we're we've been trained and we're responsible in a mechanism of being constantly

looking, constantly combating, constantly defending our point of our point of our point of the point of a lot is to

put a rigid, not to listen the point of another person, and it's I've also said in the world of Taoism

the Wu Wei the action without the the connectar the that's

what I've commented in the first case with this engineer with Mario I

I'm I'm impone my truth in the case with the

second person that was it was a it's

it's like it's like it's like it's not

we've done we're At final, many times, not is to learn, is important,

is disapprendar. And for disapprending, you have to develop the humility of what

things that for you are absolutely unquestionable, a more, they're being observed

from a perspective. And that other person, that you think, that's

what it says, a if you put us a little attention, you

you can discover that something that something possibly has been much the idea.