EverydaySpy Podcast - Catch Any Liar in 3 Seconds – CIA Interrogation Trick They Don’t Want You Using

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I want to talk more about detecting somebody who's lying because, you know, I've been blessed. I've been in a lot of beautiful relationships. And there hasn't been, you know, infidelity or, like, big lies of any sort. But I've noticed what you could call if it was a poker term like tells when my partner is expressing something uncomfortable. And it's been pretty consistent, actually. Pitch of their voice goes up beyond that normal. And I've also noticed that there's sometimes like a pattern of yawning that happens. So the pitch goes up and all of a sudden there's these like little yawns that come out.
Starting point is 00:00:37 And I'm like, you're uncomfortable with what you're saying because you're maybe afraid that it's going to be something sensitive that you're sharing. It's a truth. It could be even a truth that you're just afraid of the sensitivity of my potential reaction to that truth. But I've noticed this kind of and I just kind of laugh about it. And sometimes I'll point it out. I'll be like, look, like, you know, your pitch is a little high here. And you're yawning. So like, why are you uncomfortable?
Starting point is 00:00:58 You know, like what's going on? But so for you, you know, I've just noticed that on the personal side. I have no particular training in this. But what are you there? And I've also heard things about people when they're accessing truth look up or when they're when they're lying, they look down. Like what are some of the things that you do is like a human lie detector to see if someone's actually comfortable with what they're saying or not?
Starting point is 00:01:22 Lie detection is not about micro-expression. And there's a lot of false TikTok clips and Instagram clips and reels. There's all this stuff out there about micro expressions. And micro expressions don't work unless you have a baseline for the person that you're assessing, which is why it works so well for you with your partner. Because you have lots of hours of exposed time. You understand your partner's baseline. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:48 What's normal? And then you can identify the derivations from the norm, just like you said. Yeah. That doesn't mean that lie detection can't be used against a stranger. It just means you have to understand what you're looking for. Instead of looking for micro expressions, you're looking for macro observations, large observations.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Your point about how your partner's pitch increases when they're uncomfortable, that's a micro expression. Not everybody's pitch increases. Some people's pitch actually goes down. But for your particular partner, it goes up. That's essentially a micro expression of a tell for them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:24 on the other hand, yawning is a macro observable. Yeah. Because whenever we're putting effort into anything, the more cognitive effort you put into it, the more cortisol is created, the more that the body then demands an increase in oxygen flow, and the frequency of yawning incurs. Whoa, super interesting.
Starting point is 00:02:43 If you remember being a kid in a boring class in middle school or elementary school or high school, what did you do all the time? Yon. Yon. Even though you got a good night's sleep. Yeah, totally. You were like, why am I yawning right?
Starting point is 00:02:54 right now, don't even know. Right? It's because there's all this stress in your brain and your body's saying, I need more oxygen to support this cortisol processing. So you yawn. Yeah. Yawning is a clear macro observable indicator of increased effort. So efforts, your best way of telling if somebody's lying to you,
Starting point is 00:03:13 just like the, if you're at the border of Canada and the United States and you ask about drugs and that person yawns, now you're like, oh, you're putting some effort into this. Yeah. So that's one of the things that you're looking for. One of the best tells that are macro in nature actually have to do with the questions that you ask. So there's two really powerful tells that you can look for when you're trying to determine if somebody's lying to you. The first is called a chronological question. The second is called a feelings question.
Starting point is 00:03:43 These are two types of questions that are strong at identifying if somebody is telling is fabricating to you. Right. With a feelings-based question, you ask them how they feel about a specific moment in time, right? And then you see their response. In a perfect world, you do this with somebody who doesn't know that you're testing them for lie detection, right? But if you think about it, whenever somebody is asked an emotional question, a feelings-based question, the low effort response is real. The high-effort response is repressed, right? So, for example, my grandmother died recently. I was very close with my grandmother. So if anybody asks me a feeling-based question about my grandmother,
Starting point is 00:04:33 it's going to be very natural right away for me to feel the true feelings that I felt about my grandmother. So if I lie about my true feelings, there's going to be a delay in time. There's going to be an amount of effort that you can see and hear, see in my facial expressions
Starting point is 00:04:50 and hear in my voice because a feelings-based question is something that's very difficult to get rid of, right? So, for example, was your first experience with plant-based medicine something that made you happy?
Starting point is 00:05:07 Everybody who just watched that response knows that whatever you're about to say is going to be true, right? Because as soon as I finish the question, if you guys can play it back, play it back, your face told the whole story. Whatever you're about to say is taking no effort from you.
Starting point is 00:05:23 You just lit up, dude. Your face just lit up. Yeah. Right. That's a feelings-based question. Right. So now, if I saw your face, like, you smiled. I don't know if you noticed, like, you smiled possibly bigger than I've seen you smile
Starting point is 00:05:36 the entire show. Totally. Totally. Now, if I saw that smile happen and then I saw that smile change before you started to answer, now I know that you're introducing effort. Yeah. Right? You're introducing effort, which means that you are,
Starting point is 00:05:48 cultivating the response, so it's a less honest response. For whatever reason, maybe it's because you don't want to admit to it, or maybe because you don't want to confuse me. Who knows? But you're about to alter your response if I see that change. Yeah. Does that make sense? It makes total sense. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you finish. The second example is what's known as a chronological question. I want to equip you with both of these.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Yeah, no, this is great. The second example is a chronological question. Now, the chronological question is partially tied to your native language. Because if you're part of a native language it reads from left to right, or if you're part of a language that reads from right to left, if you're part of a language it reads from top to bottom,
Starting point is 00:06:25 if you're part of a language it reads from bottom to top, it changes what you're supposed to be looking for. But essentially, the idea is that when you challenge somebody with a chronological question, their natural response is going to be for their eyes to go to the same place that they would reference a timeline.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Right? So if I ask you, what was your favorite birthday before you were 13 years old? So people can see, already, people can see your eyes. They saw your eyes go up because your native language is English.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Yeah. And then they saw you scan from left to right. Yeah. So you're actually, you're referencing, your own history. Right. You're trying to find
Starting point is 00:07:08 what was the best memory. If you were lying, or if you were trying to lie, I would see you reference the right side of your... Yeah, like kind of look down and, yeah. Yeah, and you would say, what's my creative brain?
Starting point is 00:07:23 What's the best answer? Not, what is the history? You replayed your birthdays. Right. Whereas somebody who's fabricating is creating something new, right? Yeah. The looking up or looking down
Starting point is 00:07:33 is less impactful, as much as addressing the chronology of the timeline. That's so interesting to think about. It also looks at like this kind of neurolinguistic archival process of the brain and actually how we read is actually how we read our own brain. It's how you read your brain. It's how you read another person's face. One of the key pillars to disguise is actually understanding that when people look at you,
Starting point is 00:08:00 they look at you the same way that they read a page. So that means when people look at you, they look at the upper left corner of your face before they look at the lower right corner of your face. And that's why when people, when you ask somebody to describe someone that they saw once, what can they usually recall? Hair color, skin color, hair texture.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Because that's identifiable in the upper right corner of your face, upper left corner of your face. They have a hard time remembering if you had a beard. They have a hard time remembering if you had blue eyes or brown eyes because the first thing their brain looks at is it's just like reading a page. They look up there. CIA believes that all people are born with a spy secret superpower.
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Starting point is 00:09:18 in Hebrew text you read, you know, bottom right to top left, right? So if that was your native text and that was a native way that you would do it, someone might say, they were wearing sandals. They were like, You know, so it could go in a certain way. And I know that, you know, in marketing, we always think of, like, how we organize a page. And we understand that people are going to look from that top left down to bottom right. So there's a kind of a way that people are going to go. But then I imagine if you're doing advertisement in China or in, you know, Israel and Middle East, you know, you would actually organize things differently because that's the way that the mind would start to track. Exactly. So think about all the international businesses out there who are taking. their American web page, and then they're translating their web page, but that's all they're changing. The most important information is still in the upper left corner.
Starting point is 00:10:10 The logo is still in the upper left corner. Instead of being like, hey, we're translating this into Hebrew, let's flip the whole thing on its side. And the most important thing should actually happen in the lower right corner of a landing page, right? They're not even thinking about it. With Chinese, they read from top to bottom, before they read from left to right.
Starting point is 00:10:31 So you want to put all of your best most important nuggets kind of on the left-hand side of the screen. Your best pictures, your best graphics, your best CTA. Because by the time they get to the right side, they're not even paying attention.

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